How come we don't get RPG shmups like this anymore?
video game genres are all bullshit. I'm sure you already knew that, how many times have you seen a game advertised as "adventure" or "action", fucking useless. this game is evidence that even very specific genres like "shoot-em-ups" are actually a hodgepodge of different types of games. the problem is that genres are defined by some surface level aspect, such as "an autoscroller where you control a character and shoot waves of enemies", not ever considering the core intentions of the game design, which could be "memorizing patterns, shooting and dodging in a 2d plane" or "idk watching all the explosions while wildly flailing around and then you get to buy some wacky new gun with the money you collected"this game has more in common with those old "desktop destroyer" stress relief "games" than with other "shmups
we just had this thread. why did you make it again?
>>3929014Huh? When?
>>3929006Tyrian the game that neither rpg fans nor shmup fans care for.Shmups aren't fun because of their "exploration" but because of the constant risk-reward decision making you have to make, something that Tyrian fucks up royally with rpg mechanics. And rpg fans aren't going to get anything out of it either, just a midwit action game that's too easy and bloated
>>3929006>regenerating shields>effortlessly sweeping clean all levels after getting laser and nukes / ion stormsTyrian was the Call of Duty of shmups.Health bar instead of fucking "lives" were a sane step forward, but the shields mechanics broke it.Graphics and music mogs all other games though. Alexander Brandon is a god among mortals.
>>3929338>Graphics and music mogs all other games thoughIt doesn't even mog other shmups let alone other games lol
>>3929022pretty much, shump fans don't like it when a progression system locks mechanics because they would have to relearn how to play the game with themthey would rather have all mechanics from the start
>>3929517But there was an arcade mode
>>3929006I really like the mechanic where if you can settle in for a few more seconds when you are at low armor you get rewarded with an armor shipReminded me of UN squadron making it so you can take a hit but then you have to grit your teeth until the danger alarm passes
>>3929008>video game genres are all bullshit.mouth breather take>this game has more in common with those old "desktop destroyer" stress relief "games" than with other "shmupsMorons like you are one of reasons why we can't have good things.How many titles tried to do anything creative with the gameplay?Not so many, eh? Yellow dogs can copy but not innovate. If that is what a "shmup" is supposed to be, an imitation of an 80s arcade game, then go cut yourself with a razor or something.
>>3929006The genre is dead because:>the gameplay mechanics got stuck in arcade / NES timesA genre where gameplay hasn't changed over 2 decades dies out. You have played game X and you see a games Y and Z are clones, the only difference is that sprites and music are different. What's the point?>at some point arcade gaming died outNobody wants to play games with arcade gameplay at home. >classic shoot'em ups are near impossible to be successfully converted to 3DIt was suits and paid reviewers that made 2D games disappear for a decade or longer. Also technology, pixel perfect collisions suck with modern rendering, 3D models and perspective makes those games barely playable.The lack of innovation is the worst part, because business and preferences change over time while mediocrity remains.There must be something new to alter the arcade gameplay. Story, health, shields, limited ammo and fuel, altitude change, levels with different objectives, FUCKING ANYTHING.Otherwise it's a clone of one of three 80s arcade games, released over and over again.Show me how many studios tried to actually do something creative with those games. I say it would be mostly shareware titles for PC that disappeared in late 90s.
Man remember when Epic Megagames was good?
>>3929761I think the major issue with this type of reasoning is that you're essentially pointing at an effect and pretending that it's a cause. Shmups are not popular because people, at a base level, do not enjoy playing them. It doesn't matter what you do with the gameplay, unless it's allowing the player to skip it entirely with RPGslop like with Tyrian / roguelites such as Isaac, etc. So any idea you could have is completely meaningless for the sake of this discussion. Keep in mind that even Ikaruga, which everyone pretends is popular, only sold 300k copies combined across DC, GC, XBLA, and Steam combined over the span of two decades. This is comically low for a videogame. The truth is that people just don't like shmup gameplay, if a game just has that, people will not buy it. So shut the fuck up already. It's plain as day that you would never like playing a real innovative shmup like Hellsinker or Suwapyon 2 or Under Defeat either way, so you don't have a right to bitch.
>>3929761>You have played game X and you see games Y and Z are clones, the only difference is that sprites and music are differentYou have never played a shmup. Ever. and you NEVER will.
>>3929761>A genre where gameplay hasn't changed over 2 decades dies out. You have played game X and you see a games Y and Z are clones, the only difference is that sprites and music are different. What's the point?Cuphead was massively successful and 25% of it was very basic shmup level design. 2D platformers haven't changed much in general and they're still successful, constant innovation and uniqueness are overestimated, they aren't that important.I think people are just ignorant about shmups they don't understand them or what is expected. They don't know how exciting they can be, it's pure ignorance. Reminds me of Gus doing his Futari Ultra run at GDQ and everyone losing their minds and going nuts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH1KHsjTC4M&t=261sAlso gamers can't even pronounce most shmup names, that doesn't help our cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwviRZ1Kjc
>>3929780>BRO YOU HAVE TO PLAY MY ANIME BULLET HELL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOI'm not convinced.Now explain the reasoning behind putting words "Tyrian" and "roguelites" in the same sentence.
>>3929817No one ever said that. Typical Tyriantranny, you run out of arguments and just start making shit up. Why do all of you ALWAYS do this shit? and obviously the reason I relate Tyrian to roguelites is that both of them have the same relation to shmups. Making a shitty shmup that has RPG progslop on top doesn't make your game a shmup, it makes it RPG progslop. Hope that helps!
>>3929803>Cuphead was massively successful and 25% of it was very basic shmup level design. 2D platformers haven't changed much in general and they're still successful, constant innovation and uniqueness are overestimated, they aren't that important.Right now there's so few titles on the market it's impossible to get the effect of market oversaturation I have described. 2D games, "classic" genres- it has just recently returned to be sort of mainstream after almost two decades. Old enough to appear as new, "wow effect", and so on.In the same way you could release a 1:1 copy (in terms of a gameplay and presentation) of a 90s point'n'click adventure, an isometric C&C RTS game or a FPS corridor shooter featuring oldschool maze- like maps and nobody would say "meh, I have seen it before".
>>3929827The "I've seen it before" argument is quite possibly the most retarded one of the bunch. You do realize that 95% of gamers have literally never played a shmup before, right?
>>3929818El niggerino you have produced a lot of words but I see no substance behind this word salad.>a shitty shmupI'm still not convinced>that has RPG progslopAn upgrade shop and alternative levels have very little to do with RPG genre, not to mention slop. We are talking about the most mundane gameplay additions that appeared in late 80s - early 90s. Would you call SNES Zelda or Gameboy Turok an RPG?>>3929838Do you even understand English language? My entire post was about it. There's no market oversaturation like it was decades ago. The current audience, old gamers and zoomzooms, can't be tired of a genre that has just recently appeared again after decades.
>>3929851Are you pretending to be retarded? The shop IS the game in Tyrian. No one would like Tyrian without the customization and the shop. Every single Tyrianfag exclusively says they only like it because of the weapon customization with the shop. Therefore, that is what the game is. and to the second part of your retardnonsense, the entirety of your fuckass post was claiming that the reason people don't like shmups was because they supposedly haven't changed enough. Well, if you agree that no one has tried shmups in the first place, then how would they get tired of them for not changing?
>>3929756>>3929761>>3929817>>3929827>>3929851>>3930093zoomie futafags
>>3930098I have seen with my own eyes the implosion of Amiga software market and the press coverage of it.Meanwhile you have seen late tg/tf porn. Maybe. If you have started early.
>>3930098yeah so what
>>3929762i didn't come to this thread to feel.
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