Chapter 5 is coming out anytime this year. Are you excited? How will you handle the dry spell of fangames once it comes out?Are you developing a fangame? Post progress!
And most importantly, keep the autistic broader discussion in the /v/ threads.
>>3932352reminder that ceroba is fat
>>3932352finally did the cloud shopkeeper, I am also going to do a 2nd pass on all shopkeeper sprites so they look less badgotta still do some more cloud area NPCs, and finalize the enemies (still mostly missing the acts)for the spire, I have done some of the big events but most of the rooms are still missing, and of course the enemies. I will use that idea someone suggested of the "cat of nine tails" which is an HDMI to RCA adapter, but I could use one more regular enemy in the spire (but a lot of regular robot enemies from earlier will reappear as well)once the spire is finished, I just have to finalize enemy/boss movesets and acts and set the alt route and I think most of the chapter will be doneI'll go back and also tweak some small things in chapter 1 (mainly fixing dark blob and penceller movesets)
>>3932365>(mainly fixing dark blob and penceller movesets)Very nice, though I'm most looking forward to the new chapter content of course. >their reaction to you not having enough moneygood stuff.
Responding to the anon in the previous about about this image with DTY Martlet and Cole.https://files.catbox.moe/le8ckp.pngWhen the requestor made this request to the drawanon, the intention wasn't supposed to be something lewd, at least I didn't get that from the request.From what I understand the image itself, or the request, was supposed to delve into something of a cultural adjustment or something like that.Like for a monster like Martlet, bathing with family in this manner is completely normal to her, and likely other monsters, but not for humans.Which probably explains Cole's reaction. This isn't normal for him, hence why he's flustered, but he understands Martlet means well, and can't bring himself to tell her the reason.All in all I think the drawanon captured the tone of the request well, it has a good mix of wholesome and comical.
Damn that took a sec.Let's try not to get that far anytime soon, eh?
>>3932372But, but... what if we broke our record again?
>>3932373That'd be funny, but not being able to post images for multiple days sucked.
>>3932372What made the last thread so long? What the fuck was there to talk about for 3000 posts?
>>3932372yeah no need to go crazy like that again. A bit of discussion in here isn't bad but we overdid it. Besides, THREAD tomorrow so no reason to go crazy in here right now.on a fangame related statement. Apparently the autism we were dealing with on people showing up crying about the fangame designs is part of a current trend where there's a lot of people across the fandom bitching about designs. It's ironic really considering undertales designs are just whatever toby scribbled at that moment. I think it's just people who can't accept that they like furry characters or something.it's not bad to mix up the designs and all, but shine on you crazy fangame devs.Also on the topic of thread image limits and all, I found several new images including new art of Axis (rare!) but I'll wait until the /v/ to post it.
>>3932374I was joking>What made the last thread so long? What the fuck was there to talk about for 3000 posts?A mix of actual discussion about the fangames, shitposting and horny posting, as a result, now every major character in Naranja has a fetish associated to them.
>>3932376>in a fangame related statement. Apparently the autism we were dealing with on people showing up crying about the fangame designs is part of a current trend where there's a lot of people across the fandom bitching about designs. It's ironic really considering undertales designs are just whatever toby scribbled at that moment. I think it's just people who can't accept that they like furry characters or something.It was actually a single anon/sharteen rage baiting, I don't think it were multiple people complaining about the designs in UTN, the same anon was saying that all the fangames should include Sans and Gaster, it was obviously a troll.
>>3932377>actual discussion about the fangames, shitposting and horny postingI'm not sure how to feel about every single thing listed here ostensibly being my fault, or at least something I massively contributed to.
>>3932369I can't help but respect that despite the fact the request was supposed to be wholesome, the drawfag committed to being consistent with Martlet's canon breast size.
>>3932379sorry, what I mean is that it's apparently a trend abroad right now in fangame spaces. Enough that Master sword made a comment on it. It's stupid, and should have been ignored in the first place, but the troll here was likely hopping on that trend. I wont drag this out further for the sake of thread preservation, but it's odd that something like that caught on, and then a troll used that specifically.regardless the thought itself is dumb and not worth discussing.
>>3932369Why exactly does Martlet have such big breasts here? Aren't they meant to be small?
>>3932387Martlet's in-game battlesprites have slightly more noticeable curvature around the chest than most other female character's sprites, which a lot of people interpret as meaning that Martlet has comically gigantic breasts canonically.They aren't actually particularly big in game, but it is a noticeable(ish) departure from other sprites in UTY or even UT not generally depicting female characters with feminine body parts to any specific degree.(to clarify, no, I don't have any issue whatsoever with Martlet or anyone else having big breasts, I just wanted to point out how it's not necessarily a given that her breasts are actually that massive)
>>3932376>>3932382The real problem with UTY's main cast designs is that they have pretty much the same proportions with only differences in height, Axis is the only one with a unique body type, I can't speak for the fangames in development, but as long as they give the characters distinctive enough body types this shouldn't really be a complaint
>>3932390NTA, but I think the only reason UTY catches any major flak for this is due to most people only actually knowing the game for it's main cast, which, to be fair, does definitely look fairly generic if that's *all* you're going off of, but the rest of the NPC designs in UTY are actually decently varied and in-line with UT's art style and design philosophy, it's just that the main cast has something of an over-representation of relatively tame designs.See, if Martlet just looked like [picrel], this wouldn't have been an issue.
>>3932387Long story short, there's official artwork of Martlet that shows she not only has breasts, they're also pretty large. Hence the term hidden buxom.Canonically Martlet does genuinely have large breasts, which naturally carries over to her Zenith form, which makes her grow in size, hence why she has even bigger breasts.
>>3932393Nobody cares about random one off NPCs, a fangame could release with the most bizarre designs for overworld NPCs and basic enemies, but if the main cast looks like generic furries, then people will complain
>>3932396>but if the main cast looks like generic furries,That really only applies to just Ceroba and Martlet, Dalv and Starlo are basically fine.Okay, maybe Dalv looks a bit too much like an Adventure Time character or something, but he definitely doesn't fit the bill of being a "generic furry".
>>3932397the problem with Dalv is that he looks too much like a generic humanoid, this wouldn't be a problem if Martlet, Starlo and Ceroba had different proportions
>>3932398At that rate you may as well just change Dalv and leave the rest alone.
>>3932388>>3932395That doesn't explain why her breasts are bigger than Ceroba's. Doesn't Ceroba have a much bigger bust size?
>>3932401you still have 3 main characters with the same proportions and nearly the same height, if UTY's cast were bigger maybe this wouldn't be an issue
>>3932397>>3932398dalv is literally just a human with purple skinI'd have preferred if they kept the idea that he and decibat were the same character and he changed forms, then it kinda would get a passstarlo is also too humanoid since besides his head he is literally just a human, a tail would fix this (which some depictions of him give him)and then there is everyone just being tall and lanky in general>>3932402she used to in concept art but in game she is flat as a board
>>3932402Hate to break it to you buddy, but canonically Ceroba is as flat as a pancake.This image is pretty accurate when it comes to breast size comparison.If anything I think the drawfag was being generous with Ceroba here.https://files.catbox.moe/wwha8r.png
>>3932380Are you that anon who is going to draw Zaer with a huge cock?
>>3932369Martlet breastfeeding Cole
>>3932407>huge cock?I said I'd give him at least a two-hander, that's not actually that big.
>>3932409you said at least, which means that it could potentially be bigger.
>>3932406Going off of this logic, Toriel has the build of a literal refrigerator.As in, she is a rectangular prism with no curvature whatsoever.As the resident anon who draws Ceroba with huge breasts, I say it is up to us to imagine™ our waifus with the breasts we think they deserve.
>>3932410Fair enough on technicality, but I'm not actually into hyper or anything like that, so it's not like I'm gonna be drawing him with some comically large elephant's trunk or something like that.
>>3932377People were pent up and sexually frustrated from waiting for a new 4chan post to appear, next time share some uty nsfw through catbox links so normal discussion can reign over the thread again
>>3932377>now every major character in Naranja has a fetish associated to them.I dunno about that, I was just horny-posting over Zaer, I wouldn't say I've permanently associated what I was saying with him.
>>3932416I feel like rock polishing will be asociated with Zaer for a long time
>>3932402As someone who likes Ceroba as much as anyone else who likes her, she's flat like paper, or has breasts on the smaller side.And significantly smaller breasts than Martlet's. But you know what, I think that's a good thing, and I think more artists should lean into that.
>>3932416Despite the damage you've done your best to cause to that mans reputation. Zaer still just strikes me as a bro who on the pacifist route may be there for Val in the 11th hour. I've trained well in the art of pretending to not see some things.>>3932404I think the assertion that the characters need different body types is flawed, not necesarily a bad idea, but it's held up by many as some sort of objective standard when it really isn't. Each character is visually dynamic in other ways, and that aside, that redesign of Starlo is a downgrade all the way around while not fixing any of the proposed issues. Also >bird character with goggleshow dreadfully original.I don't want to drag this out in the /vrpg/, but the way people go about this thing, and then redesign the characters to be no better is strange.Martlet should have had her tool belt in her sprite though, and that bottom dalv is too visually imposing for what he is.
>>3932417Well, I can't say I'd be disappointed to see other anons join in on this idea, but I get the feeling I alone shall carry this torch.I really do want Zaer to be our resident "rock polishing"/overstim boy, he's just too cute for me to not think about it.
I've been brainstorming making an Undertale quest for some time, and I've finally started to making some sprite work for it. I'd like any advice on making overworld and especially battle sprites. I've also been thinking of trying to make music for it as well.To give some context, I've mostly planned it out by taking Undertale characters and making new ones based off certain aspects, actions, or even just the perception some people have of them. Pic rel is the sort of Asgore expy, and I've made him the de-facto leader of the monsters as a seer even though he doesn't make any real commands over them most of the time. I've been hoping the sprite has a similar stature to Asgore but is noticeably less robust. If it isn't obvious, I'd like tips on how to better make his mantis design more apparent.
>>3932404Huh, nice redesigns, very cute.I like Ceroba's, she looks good, I just got one question is all...What happened to her boots?
>>3932369Ah, ok. Now that you bring it up I think I was there when it was originally dropped and I recall it being explained back then too. I understand now.I really wonder how it got to this point though. At no point when Martlet suggested it or when they were undressing did Cole express reluctance? That would be the most awkward moment I'd say.>>3932387I headcanon hers as a nice, medium C size, maybe D.>>3932395>cites official artwork>fails to post it>>3932411Toriel's clothing is as conservative as it comes. She might as well be wearing a nun's habit.>>3932422Just think about what mantises have. Antennae, a big abdomen, big quad-wings, and large pincers. A lot of it looks hidden away but if you go for more of a shaman aesthetic it might be possible to show more.
>>3932426>She might as well be wearing a nun's habit.Yeah, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be *any* visible curvature, it'd just be obscured. Toriel has the build of one of those idealized animals from engineering problems, like the perfectly spherical penguin, or rectangular cow.
>>3932426Official artwork of Martlet having a hidden buxom.https://files.catbox.moe/pdwzd3.pngThe link is safe by the way.
>>3932433That's really not that big.Like, honestly, that's barely even noticeable to most people.If we took this artwork and her in-game sprites at face value, she wouldn't have massive tits, she'd be noteworthy for being one of the only female characters to have *any* breasts at all.I guess in the land of the flat, the barely convex-chested woman is queen.
>>3932422>Undertale questCould you explain? is this like an AU or a fangame?>I'd like any advice on making overworld and especially battle sprites. I've also been thinking of trying to make music for it as well.I'm far from good when it comes to making sprites, but if I had to give you one tip, that would be to look for pixel art tutorials to learn the very basics, then whenever you are drawing an overworld sprite, make sure to use an overworld NPC as reference, either for height, colors or proportions, its much easier to notice what you got wrong in your sprite when you have something from the game to compare, I can't give you too much advice on battle sprites either since I suck at those, but what I said about overworld sprites applies to them too, you need more general art knowledge in order to draw battle sprites.BTW what software are you using to draw? you can draw pixel art on anything but the most recommended program and the one that I use is Aseprite, which is specialized in making sprites.>pic rel is the sort of Asgore expy, and I've made him the de-facto leader of the monsters as a seer even though he doesn't make any real commands over them most of the time. Sounds interesting, like an swap AU except you swap the game's characters with OCs.>I'd like tips on how to better make his mantis design more apparent.If he is covered by a cloak then making the mantis theme more noticeable will become harder, you need to focus on the head, like the other anon said give him more insect features. Generally when I'm drawing a new character I look on the internet for cartoony designs of what I'm going to draw (since Undertale has a more cartoon aesthetic) or something that resembles it, like with your mantis character, you could look references of other mantises in fiction for inspiration.
I hope that one green anon comes by again sometime soon, his work was phenomenal.
>>3932422I know people here reddit and all, but I think these two posts have very helpful information on how to make UT styled spriteshttps://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1i9nv8c/time_to_dump_all_the_info_i_have_about_spriting/https://www.reddit.com/r/UndertaleYellow/comments/1mmwd48/perhaps_the_biggest_tutorial_ive_ever_constructed/
>>3932437>>3932422something worth considering is how mega man zero 3 handles its mantis reploid when its in a humanoid formhttps://static.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/b/bc/Deathanz_Mantisk.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100711000329I know his cowl or whatever doesn't cover him as much, but maybe there's inspiration to take from how it implies the mantis even when you can't see "mantis". Maybe there are protrusions in the robe or just places where it has part of the mantis shape being covered up.
>>3932439people here hate reddit*
>>3932440he could have two capes with sightly different colors, giving him a mantis wings motif
3113 posts. You people are insane.
>>3932365I don't want to ask "when's it coming out", I know that can be annoying when making something, and up in the air, but even if you don't want to share the number, do you personally have a goal for when you want to get this part done by?
>>3932436nta, I'm going to try to explain what the other anon is trying to convey. So essentially Martlet associated with the hidden buxom trope.Put simply it's when a character has large breasts, but the actual size of their breasts is hidden well by their clothing or other means.In Martlet's case, her clothing hides how big her breasts actually are, that is until she removes her top, and the huge rack comes out.I also don't know if it was intentional, or by coincidence, by the top Martlet wears bears a heavy resemblance to a real life top that women use to cover their breasts.Anyhow without getting into debates, it's a general consensus that Martlet has large breasts, her clothing just hides them surprisingly quite effectively.
>>3932444We will attempt to better reign in discussion this time.>>3932443that's not a terrible idea. maybe some kind of patterns on the cloak that evoke "mantis" in some kind of way beyond that?Mantis usually have a narrow center which is something that reploid design also tries to work with.
>>3932419>Despite the damage you've done your best to cause to that mans reputation.I don't think he has damaged his reputation that much, its not that different from the stuff anons said about the Naranja girls.>Zaer still just strikes me as a broI too see Zaer as a bro, but I also think he is cute>>3932420That's not the fetish I would have associated to Zaer, also, by looking at his sprite, I just noticed Zaer looks pretty average in his front facing overworld sprites, but he clearly has muscles in his side and battle sprites>>3932444We are passionate
>>3932446>the top Martlet wears bears a heavy resemblance to a real life top that women use to cover their breasts.It kinda just looks like a standard tank-top to me, but whatever.Like I said earlier ITT, I got no problem with people wanting Martlet to have large breasts, it's not like I haven't drawn her like that myself before, I'm just saying it's kind of a stretch to insist that this it's 100% canon when it's really not. By the same logic you're arguing from, just about any female character could have a deceptively large rack hidden under their clothing.
>>3932447>Mantis usually have a narrow center which is something that reploid design also tries to work with.I think the design he showed should be a bit more skinny, like at the very least remove 2 pixels of wideness.
>>3932448>That's not the fetish I would have associated to Zaer, also, by looking at his sprite, I just noticed Zaer looks pretty average in his front facing overworld sprites, but he clearly has muscles in his side and battle spritesEh, these threads really only fetishize muscular builds when we're talking about women, muscular men don't really get as much attention here.So, I decided to get creative, and we've landed on "rock polishing", apparently.
>>3932451Maybe, but it could be that his mantis claws are what gives the illusion of the broad shoulders, having them spaced out to hold the cloak up?maybe just narrowing him would be for the better but I'm just throwing out suggestions for anon if he was really wanting that kind of appearance.
>>3932453I wasn't talking about fetishizing his muscles, that was more like a remark, I didn't notice them before.
>>3932352>62 posts in 3 hoursAnons, slow down
>>3932404>starlo is also too humanoid since besides his head he is literally just a human, a tail would fix thisStarlo is an object head, not an organism based anthro. A tail wouldn’t fit him as he’s not a furry, and he’s the designated “scrimblo” like Sans, Tenna, Spamton, and etc. He’s definitely meant for a different audience (not furries)>>3932411There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breasts besides Martlet (non canon character btw) due to how they look and the lack of blood in monsters. It’s fine to make Ceroba and Toriel have big tits, but again, it’s not canon that they do. Toriel could literally just be built like a fridge, yes
>>3932462>There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breasts
>>3932462>There’s nothing to suggest that female monsters canonically have breastsCatty's sprite has cleavage in Undertale.
>>3932463>>3932464God dammit I got played
>>3932450nta To be fair, unlike other drawn characters in official artworks, Martlet was actually drawn with visible breasts, so it's not ambiguous when compared to someone like Toriel or Undyne.This is coming from someone who's argued that Toriel may have smaller breasts despite everyone drawing her with massive milkers.Martlet happens to be in a unique situation because canonically it's not ambiguous, her having visible breasts is consistent.Why the devs did this, god knows why, but hey she has breasts, she has rack, and they're very visible.
>>3932465Yes, yes you did.
>>3932462Witty retorts featuring canonical depictions of honkers aside, my main point is that I feel like posting images of Martlet having some ever-so-slight curvature around her chest and going "look, she's actually wearing a super special kind of shirt that hides her ginormous tits, she canonically has the biggest tits in the underground!" is fucking stupid. Headcanons are fine, do whatever you want on that front, but I'm just really sick of people insisting certain things are true about Martlet based on little-to-no canon evidence.Like those fuckin' guys in the last thread who tried to seriously argue that Martlet would just give away her breastmilk freely if "it could help someone", it's just fuckin' weird.
>>3932445chapter 2 is taking longer than I originally expected, I was hoping I'd have it nearly done by now but I think maybe at most 2 to 3 months at the current pace is when it will be finished, hopefully sooner, no promises though
>>3932467Will any fangame dev have the balls to make a character with visible big boobs?
>>3932467Yeah, no, she has tits, that's not what I'm arguing about, I'm saying that insisting she has the biggest tits around is kinda weird when the only thing she has is some slight curvature around her chest and very little else. As another anon and I pointed out just now, there are characters in the original UT with visible breasts, so it's not even like Martlet's the only character to have been depicted in the UT universe, official or otherwise, to have breasts.Hell, I'd say the shopkeeper's breasts are actually more prominent than Martlet's even, they curve out way more.
>>3932470>chapter 2 is taking longer than I originally expected, I was hoping I'd have it nearly done by now but I think maybe at most 2 to 3 months at the current pace is when it will be finished, hopefully sooner, no promises thoughNTA but I understand you, sadly, game dev always takes longer than we anticipate.
>>3932470>no promises thoughof course of course, but thank you for your thoughts on things. I don't have a good grasp on how long devving actually takes other than "a long time" so I was braced to hear a much longer projection than that anyways. I know the threads are a mess, sometimes for better or worse, but fangame updates are cause to celebrate.
>>3932472i only have one lady character in my hypothetical fanagame planned out and she's just a shameless Tenna ripoff
>>3932481Whats your fangame called/about?
>>3932462Noelle in Deltarune has a bust. It's just part of the artstyle for these games to not have very defined women. It's disappointing, but what can you do?
>>3932482GELtarune, you would play as a wagecuck in a DR equivalent of McDonald's after someone opened a dark fountain in the lobby. the protagonist would have no idea how to seal it so it would just get bigger and bigger and each chapter would have the protagonist do shit in different regions of the building, like the parking lot or the supply room
>>3932463>>3932464>>3932476At the end of the day, Martlet canonically has tits, and their visible. Which is a lot more than what can be said about a lot of the other female characters.Personally I don't think it's inaccurate that Martlet has tits on the bigger side. At the end of the day, that's just my personal opinion. Whatever the case is, she has curvature, and that's enough for me.
>>3932485That sounds really funnyany particular ideas to expand/rework the gameplay?
>>3932423The people yearn for roba paws
>>3932486Yeah, that's fine, as long as we all agree this is mostly just headcanon aside from the fact that she does have *something* on her chest as opposed to nothing.Glad we could keep things civil, that's not always a given with these kinds of discussions, somehow.Also, *they're.
>>3932423by removing her boots she looks more monstrous, either that or the spriter is a pawfag
>>3932489Don't we all...https://files.catbox.moe/w24dxl.png
>>3932491>by removing her boots she looks more monstrous, either that or the spriter is a pawfagEh, joking aside, I'm leaning towards the former, her paws aren't so prominent in the redesigned sprite that I'm willing to actually throw any major accusations around.I would know.
>>3932488I have thought on that for months. closest thing I've had is tension points being a bad thing so you would have to keep it low or find ways to lower it
>>3932496>I have thought on that for months. closest thing I've had is tension points being a bad thing so you would have to keep it low or find ways to lower itThat would discourage grazing, unless you have ways to spend your TP mid enemy turn, like by having a dash/parry ability that costs TP to use
>>3932490I'm sure you don't mean anything by it, but unless it's warranted, you shouldn't really be going around correcting anons on their grammar on casual posts like this.That kind of shit vexes people, and can get pretty annoying rather quickly. If you get what they're trying to convey, leave it at that.Also why did you put the correction in a spoiler box? There's nothing to spoil.
>>3932504>Also why did you put the correction in a spoiler box? There's nothing to spoil.Because I think it's funny.
>>3932504Because he was just being cheeky, and the spoiler text was a clear way to indicate that.>>3932499>>3932496it could be a good idea if you implemented it in a way that wasn't "miserable to deal with" which I know is easier said than done. maybe too little tp is bad too much is bad, and so keeping it in the middle is "peak performance" ? you're constantly encouraged to gain and spend it in some way, but you need to make sure there are satisfying and easy to access ways to spend it. what if there was something you could spend tp on in the middle of an enemies turn?
>>3932499i'm aware it's not a very good idea, i'm still brainstorming something unique for the battle system. I do want to have a boss fight where you parry unavoidable attacks to gather tp doe
>>3932490The fact Martlet has something, and Ceroba has nothing, means Martlet is bigger than Ceroba either way. So I guess Martlet wins in the end.
>>3932509Well I dunno, that other anon made the argument that Martlet was wearing some kind of special shirt that was making her boobs appear smaller, so maybe Ceroba's just got a stronger version of that, and she can just throw off her kimono like Rock Lee's training weights and reveal an even bigger rack without any warning.
>>3932508I don't think it's a completely doomed idea personally, it just needs something to make it feel satisfying in gameplay instead of being busywork you know?>>3932505I humbly request that you don't follow the compulsion to respond to the person who is just repeatedly saying "Martlet has huge honkers". I like Martlet tiddies as much as the next bird lover but it's 1/3 of the thread already for someone who's just going to respond "canonically she's got big cungaderos".The answer is always to draw the character with the tiddies you want I like both big and small tiddies, there's no wrong way to slap em on a roba
>>3932507>maybe too little tp is bad too much is bad, and so keeping it in the middle is "peak performance" ? you're constantly encouraged to gain and spend it in some way, but you need to make sure there are satisfying and easy to access ways to spend it.The game Aeon Must Die, kind of works like that, you have a "heat bar" which is both your mana and your health, each hit increases or decreases your heath, if you take a hit while your heat is full or depleted then you die.>what if there was something you could spend tp on in the middle of an enemies turn?That's literally what I said in my post, if the player has like a parry/dash that costs TP that could be useful, another idea would be that by holding X you not only move slower but also your hurtbox becomes smaller (a white circle appear on top of your soul representing the exact size of your hurtbox), this action drains TP at a rate.
>>3932511>I humbly request that you don't follow the compulsion to respond to the person who is just repeatedly saying "Martlet has huge honkers".Fffffffine.>"canonically she's got big cungaderos".I don't think Spamton's talking about tits when he says that.
>>3932513My apologies, I missed that being mid enemy turn. when you said It I just mentally registered it as something you do before their turn like how deltarune/undertale stuff works.Never heard of aeon must die but while i'm not that dev anon, I'm gonna go check it out. It sounds like a worthwhile concept then.
>>3932507my base idea for it was you'd always be fighting it and scrambling to lower it or reduce the amount of tension the protagonist was getting by sparing enemies or consuming items. one of my favorite parts of DR is using your turns as efficiently as possible and I would want to replicate that by having the player find out what does and doesn't stress out the protagonist and routing each encounter to end as quickly as possble
>>3932510From what I understand based on this whole discussion.The shirt made Martlet's boobs appear smaller, but she still has visible boobs.Whereas Ceroba has literally nothing. There's nothing to hide. So she really is just kinda flat.Full disclaimer I'm not trying to pick sides in this breast size debate.
>>3932515>Never heard of aeon must die but while i'm not that dev anon, I'm gonna go check it out. It sounds like a worthwhile concept then.The game is very mid, its a beat em up, but the concept of the health being the mana thing was actually pretty interesting.
>>3932516do you have party members in this fangame?
>>3932517But you said Ceroba's flat so you must be on Martlet's side.
>>3932517Some anons earlier ITT were specifically referring to the "hidden buxom" trope, in which a character who is ordinarily seen without breasts is revealed to actually have large breasts that were just being hidden by their clothing. (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HiddenBuxom)My argument was that Martlet's just wearing a pretty basic tank-top, and those aren't known for incorporating Gallifreyan space-warping technology to make people's boobs disappear, so I was saying that going strictly off of what we see in-game, she'd have breasts that are just very slightly not-flat, as opposed to having the massive rack the other anons were arguing she had.Furthermore, if we really want to stick to the trope, it would actually be more fitting for Ceroba to be in possession of large breasts, since her clothing conceals way more of her body than Martlet's does and would therefore fit the trope better by virtue of the "hidden" part.
>>3932519hypothetically it would be 2 for a majority of the game, but I know that if I want to lean into turn efficiency I would probably have to use temp party members
>>3932523>>3932519If the main monster companion isn't a girl I shan't be playing
>>3932524heres your sexy hmofa lady companion xir
>>3932525Sovl...Regardless, would be cool to hear if you embarked on the journey of actually making all of this. When you first described it I couldn't help but imagine Peppino trying to keep from losing his shit in a dark world.
>>3932525Do you have a design for your main character?
>>3932521Between the two characters, just from their appearances alone, personally I feel Martlet fits the trope more, simply by the fact we know she has breasts.Unless Ceroba's clothing has a pocket dimension, and just from what she's wearing, she appears to be very petite.Again not trying to take sides, but between the two, I can buy that Martlet has bigger breasts than what's initially shown. Whereas with Ceroba I just don't see it. Everyone's free to have their own opinions, and in my humble opinion the trope fits Martlet more.
>>3932528>personally I feel Martlet fits the trope more>Unless Ceroba's clothing has a pocket dimensionThat's.That's the point of the trope, literally. The entire point is that the character who is the subject of the trope initially appears small/flat chested, until they change their clothes and are suddenly revealed to have large breasts seemingly from nowhere. I'm not even arguing about just these two, I'm more focused on the trope itself here at this point.
>>3932528>>3932531Then I guess it's no surprise why Zenith Martlet has such big breasts. It's hidden behind her armour.She'd literally embody the trope.
>>3932525that's a darkner, I mean a monster
>>3932533Half-agree. While she could indeed have gotten larger breasts from the transformation, it wouldn't necessarily fit the trope specifically if her armor would naturally allow her breasts to fit inside it.If her armor is a relatively flat plate hiding unintuitively large breasts under it, then it fits the trope, but if the armor is curved to fit around her breasts, then they aren't really hidden, and therefore it doesn't really fit the trope.This is what I'm getting at when it comes to this trope with normal Martlet and Ceroba. Martlet, by virtue of having *some* visible curvature, a stand-out from the rest of the cast, doesn't really fit as well simply because her breasts just aren't really hidden. On the other hand, Ceroba appearing to have a flat chest makes her a prime candidate for this trope, since her chest actually could be hidden according to how this trope works.Again, referring specifically to the "hidden buxom" trope, to be clear.
>>3932527for the record he is not clover
>>3932538You can't see Zenith Martlet's breasts when she's wearing her armour. So she would fit the hidden buxom trope.
>>3932540Well, thats an unconventional main character design for a UT/DR protag
>>3932540poor bastard NEEDS to have a good day at work today.
>>3932543thats his dark world form i haven't drawn his light world fit yet
>>3932545I know thats his dark world form
>>3932541The trope isn't just about direct line of sight, it's about being able to tell whether they're there at all.Even if you can't directly see bare skin, you can still tell whether or not someone has breasts just by looking at their chest, which is where the trope comes from, from characters who *seem* flat ordinarily but actually have large or otherwise more substantial breasts.If Zenith Martlet's chestplate was entirely flat despite her having large breasts, then yes, that would fit the trope by virtue of her having large breasts despite her appearing to be flat, but if her plate curves in such a way that her breasts could easily fit inside it at a glance, then it doesn't fit the trope because that conflicts with the entire point of the trope itself.
>>3932547oh, sorry. is it because he has eyes? I wanted to give him very visible eyes to contrast kris
>>3932365I was talking about the old console AV cables, which are a different thing. Specifically the Xbox 360's HD video cable, which component and composite out on it, for a total of 6 cables on one end. The other end was a proprietary video connector, much bigger than HDMI and fully analog.
>>3932548>>3932541reign it in now, before you retards bury everything again after 500 posts of arguing over nothing
>>3932553I'm just correcting that guy on proper usage of the trope, I'm not arguing about the other stuff anymore.
>>3932550I said it mostly because he looks kinda old, we are used to main characters being kids or teens at most
>>3932554you're eating up posts rapid fire against someone who is willfully responding to you as if you've made some revelation clear to him that was stated no where in your post. Everyone knows what that trope it, everyones seen gifs of a girl taking her shirt off and tits practically EXPLODING out. Please at least if you're going to engage with someone who's actively not listening to you, do it in the /v/ thread. I'll agree with whichever stance you hold for the next 13 minutes if you do this one thing for me.
>>3932555yeah he's in his early 20's, part of the story would be him adjusting to work life
>>3932352It sort of pisses me off that 13k people liked this tweet. It's basically exaggerating valid criticisms about UTY's character designs into "lol theyre all anthros!1!"Seriously think UTDRfags that hate UTY were right about UTYfags not being able to handle criticism. People have constantly stated that the issue was that the main characters have very similar body types and such. There was little seething about there being furries or whatever
>>3932556>I'll agree with whichever stance you hold for the next 13 minutes if you do this one thing for me.Why 13 minutes exactly?Anyway, look, not every minor disagreement is going to turn into a whole thing, most of the original people who were talking about this have probably already moved on, and this isn't the kind of topic that gives rise to multi-hour long arguments anyway. At least last time my discussion of how to draw furry heads turned into an argument about Chujin because Chujin was ostensibly part of the initial discussion and the other anon said something in particular that we then turned into the main topic of discussion, that's not going to happen with an argument about boobs.I'd much rather be drawing tits than arguing about them anyway.
>>3932558>There was little seething about there being furries or whateverEh, I remember that actually being a fairly common criticism about UTY back when it first came out.
>122 posts in 5 hoursthis thread is doomed
>>3932562Give it a bit, it'll slow down over the weekend when the /v/s are up, and it'll probably just cool down in general once people stop talking about things.
>>3932561When I read back thread archives of /utg/ around UTY's release, some anons said Ceroba looked out of place and would call her "Touhou fox". They weren't necessarily wrong that Ceroba looks more traditionally furry than say Toriel, but I don't care much
>>3932564It was a more common complaint outside of these threads, is what I was saying.
>>3932422Open the robe in the front and have him rubbing his hands together, happy merchant style. Also give him a slouch.
>>3932558this is a dumb argument and I'm not having it. It's not bad to have more unusual designs but toby didn't suddenly write the book on what characters it was ok to put in a game. Especially after 10 years of "uhhhh goat mommy".
>>3932558Samefag, but I also think MasterSwordRemix is missing the point with the criticisms as well. This screenshot would be valid if people were just talking about Deltarune, but they also compared Undertale's designs to UTY. Keep in mind Undertale barely had a team, just Toby and Temmie. And the sprite work in the game was not super detailed. Undertale had a lot of diversity to its cast that UTY doesn't have as much
>>3932567Its such a complete waste of time too after chapter 3&4 more or less raped tobycore to death as a concept.
>>3932485I think it would be really funny if his boss is still forcing him to wagecuck despite his job being swallowed up by a fantasy world. Like imagine every chapter is just a new assignment his boss has given him, said boss being completely indifferent to the absurd circumstances.
>>3932571my current reasoning in my story drafts is that he's just addicted to the minor praise he gets from his bosses so he becomes the dedicated "dark room" guy
>>3932570toby clearly just puts whatever he's feeling at that moment onto the page, and that's fine in a sense. there's not some ultimate gold standard of "things toby would to" other than try to be sincere about his autism. It's also silly to act like uty fans aren't the harshest on criticizing the game. People literally started making their own fangames because they thought uty did it wrong. But turning Martlet into a borb or making ceroba walk around on all fours isn't going to just fix what was wrong with the game.
>>3932554Not quite sure what you were correcting, since the guys example with Zenith Martlet was the correct usage of the trope.At that point it felt like you were dragging out the discussion longer than it needed to be.Regardless I think we can all agree, everyone's free to think what they want to think.
>>3932576>since the guys example with Zenith Martlet was the correct usage of the trope.No, because he was simply arguing that she fit the trope simply because you couldn't see her breasts when she's in armor, and the trope is about more than just being able to see them directly, it's about the actual shape.Not to mention the fact that Zenith Martlet doesn't actually have visible breasts of any kind even after her chestplate is gone, so there's no "hidden" anything going on with her.>everyone's free to think what they want to think.Absolutely not, never, die.
>>3932568>Undertale had a lot of diversity to its cast that UTY doesn't have as muchBesides the skeletons and Mettaton, no actually. They're all anthros, just a lot less attractive than the ones in UTY. The skeletons are just so well designed nobody really minded that the rest of the cast are a bit lackluster. Also Mettaton turning from a box into David Bowie was a great twist.Anyway, download the anatomically correct Martlet mod.
>>3932579>Zenith Martlet doesn't actually have visible breasts of any kind even after her chestplate is goneShe actually does have visible breasts without her armour on.
>>3932582Where, precisely?She doesn't have breasts, that's her entire upper torso curving there.
can't believe we are already wasting tens of posts in another back and forth autism battlereally wish we had more fangame updates to try to get the thread back on track but everything is so slow latelyI guess pic related's orange take commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo readyhttps://gamejolt.com/games/UndertaleOrange/236632
>>3932583>>3932582Kill yourselves>>3932584>9 years with no demowhat the hell are they even doing?
>>3932584>can't believe we are already wasting tens of posts in another back and forth autism battleBuddy, the last thread got to 3000, we'll be fine.>I guess pic related's orange take commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo readyWhat is this, TF2, nine years of what?
>>3932584>commemorated 9 years but still not even a demo readyAren't commemorations usually reserved for when something's actually happened?What are they commemorating, is their game actually gonna come out soon?
>>3932570I think this argument is pretty stupid all around, especially considering it all comes down to matter of taste, but I personally really dislike the changes to the artstyle made in 3 and 4. Especially the titan, I hate basically everything about that thing (except the bald guy silhouette, the whole fight should have been that.)
>>3932573Honestly, I think it'd be funnier if he is explicitly forced to to do everything under threat of having his pay docked or being fired. Just imagine him desperately pleading with his boss about how he almost died in the last one and the boss is like "Come on, be a team player."
Okay, to turn discussion back to fangames themselves, I've got a question.How the hell do you end up with things like what (>>3932584) posted, where a project's been "ongoing" for nearly an entire decade with literally nothing to show for it? Didn't Undertale itself, which was worked on by a single man (with some relatively minor help from Temmie) only take a few years to make, largely in Andrew Hussie's basement?How does a project with an entire team working on it end up taking nearly 10 years, without so much as a demo?I mean, fuck, there are single anons here working on projects by themselves who've made more serious progress on their fangames in just a handful of years (or less) than that Undertale Orange project's had in nearly 10.UTY itself gets a pass since it was the first real attempt at a full-length UT fangame, and it was also made by people who were mostly children at the time they started working on it, but even that only took seven years.How does this happen?
>>3932576>>3932579Both of you quit it.
>>3932588>Buddy, the last thread got to 3000, we'll be fine.No we fucking won't, we haven't been fine for three weeks. This is a problem and its getting worse. I can't get anything done or have any discussion in the designated weekly threads because of this non-stop mess, and I can't just skip a few thousand posts of discussion because something important might happen.Go make a /v/ thread if you really must have fast discussion, but for the love of god stop having it here.
