FFVII created an entirely new storyslop genre of game. It was the seed planted that led to slop like FFXV and Xenoblade. Back in the 90s people played games for the combat, go read a book if you want to storyfag, keep it far away from my JRPGs.
>>3934546>Back in the 90s people played games for the combatgames like the extremely popular and successful FF7?
>>3934548As argued in the thread, it started the trend. Yes it's combat wasn't completely bad yet, but it started the trend of story being prioritised over solid combat. People glaze VIs story, but the gameplay was still the main focus.
FF7 is just FF6 but with a bigger budget.
>>3934577Delusional.
>>3934578Ah yes the piss easy JRPG that can be beaten by toddlers with a huge focus on story and characters is fundamentally totally different than the one on PS1 that just happened to be much longer. Smartest final faggotry fan.
>>3934546>storyslopyou zoomers are so brainrotten you can't even follow a basic videogame story. humanity is fucked.
>storyslopkill yourself immediately
>>3934590The story is complimentary, not the main course. It's a video GAME. Not an interactive movie.
>>3934588>>3934590>>3934593Read a book, nerds.
>>3934546>be me>get two years in prison in '96>brother telling me about how good the new final fantasy is>get out early in '98>go to store and bring copy of VII to counter>nerd at the counter tells me Tactics is better>ignore him>take VII home>it's decent, but doesn't live up to the hype>pick up a copy of Tactics a month later>it's way better than VII>pick up FF anthology in late '99>play V the first time>it's also way better than VII>pick up VIII>it sucks, I sell it to a friend and vow to never played any of the new games ever again unless it's a Tactics sequel
>>3934609>be me>play ff7>like it>play tactics>like it>emulate 4, 5, 6>like it>play 8>it's ok>play 9>it's shit>mfw
>>3934546FFVI did have an extensive story though, but I agree I didn't care for how they decided that the beginning Midgar section had to become the template for many things they did after. The worst thing about this game is that it gave Motomu Toriyama validation to somehow get an entire career despite being the biggest fucking idiot in the industry while people who actually knew what they were doing like Ito and Matsuno were left out to dry.
>>3934611>be me>play FF3 remake ds>drop it >play ffXV>like it >play FFXIV>drop it >Play FFXVI>mid>play FF4 remake ds >drop it
99% of battles in FF6 could be won by holding down a single button with a turbo controller, and you're trying to tell me people only played it for its combat?
>>3934638>you're trying to tell me people only played it for its combat?That's a straw man. I never said that. VI was great because it had a decent story but was still focused on gameplay and combat. VII turned the series into hours of cutscenes of emo Japanese teens taking on an epic battle with a mandatory emotional death of a main character to make teenagers cry with sad piano music, leading to straight up soap opera slop jrpgs like kingdom farts>>3934638>99% of battles in FF6 could be won by holding down a single button with a turbo controllerHorrible bait. Go back. Even suggesting that people are playing a 16 bit game for the story is borderline brain-dead. It basically like saying you watch porn for the story.
>>3934546plug your ears and nose, your brain is leaking anon.
>>3934609How young were the girls you were with to end up in prison in '96 and do you still consume loli porn?
>>3934659>a mandatory emotional death of a main character to make teenagers cryHaha yea imagine if the golden age of 90s SNES final fantasies which were only played for the gameplay and not the story had done this. That would’ve been crazy
Not sure if bait or retarded.
>>3934546xenoblade is lightyears away from slop. Gameplay is twice as good as ff12 and the story is on par. ff6 has dogwater combat compared to ff5, ff7, ff8. Unless you're playing bnw patch. FFT combat is also sevrely overrated after the first chapter, tactics ogre one vision >>>>>>>
>>3934824>Gameplay is twice as good as ff12 and the story is on par.That's a really low bar.
>>3934830is it? FF12 is quite fun despite being mostly brain off. It was a new take of the genre so it makes sense that its a bit bare bones. Xenoblade takes a very similar engine and does way more with it. Better questing, better side content, better exploration and significantly better combat. The ludonarrative way they allow you to complete quests before accepting quests is something that more games should utilize. Like FF14 gives u the same psychic lore but in that game you don't get get the ludo elements
>>3934546I agree. Tactics is the only non SNES FF that is worth playing. People who claim they are replaying the NES games are lying contrarians. The people that like 7-16 are brain-dead.
>Final Fantasy fag>Utterly retarded argumentsHard to name a more iconic duo
>>3934780I think you might be both.
>>3934860materia system is the second best system in a mainline game after ff5. The junction system is close but u get too strong too easily - FF8 is still pretty playable due to how the limit breaks work and revolver trigger being fun. FFT is a storygame, tactics ogre gameplay mogs it too hard. FFT stops being a tactical game and starts being a power trip simulator too soon.
>>3934599Zoomers are incapable of doing such. Uni professors are panicking because they're all coming to class incapable of long-form reading. Most have never read a novel in their lives.
>>3934577>>3934578>>3934588You guys are both retarded, but dubs-waster is the dumber one by far.>>3934611>Play ff1 at friends house>like it>play ff4>love it>play ffmq>its ok>play ff6>love it>play ff7>amazing>emulate ff5>holy shit it's like 4 but better>emulate ff3>drop it>play fft>favorite game ever>skip ff8>still never played it>play ff9>boring slog to the end>see ff10>looks like a game for girls and gays, getting too old for this shit anyway>see ff12>single-player MMO>FF4 remake DS>like it>>3935065>FT stops being a tactical game and starts being a power trip simulator too soon.The point at which this happens is heavily dependent on the player and how much they choose to grind.
>>3937033Nice blogpost faggot.
>>3934577Well, kind of, but you forgot to explain that it's an insanely fucking shitty version of 6 with terrible maps / environments, ugly art, insanely shitty combat mechanics (even though 6 literally had bugs in its stats...), anti-fun materia system, meaningless equipment and absolutely jaw-droppingly terrible plot and dialogue. There were otaku / anime dorks even in the 1990s who thought FF7 was too juvenile and cringe.All of the worst stereotypes about anime were present and loudly. FF7 is like going on Tinder and getting some granny with bad diarrhea to shit in a blender for you, whizzing it up with raw garlic and Draino, and then just fucking drinking it and holding it in your mouth for a bit before swallowing.
>A PS1 remake of an SNES game is the sequel to a different SNES game that came out after itOK
>>3934546FF6 is the same format as 7/8/9, just 2d
>>3937048Zoomer revisionism. 7 was wildly popular and everyone loved it. It even got a fucking PC port which was unheard of for JRPGs.
>>3937048Delusional.
>>3937033>You guys are both retarded, but dubs-waster is the dumber one by far.Suck my ass, kike.
>>3937175>>3937046FF6 is 85%+ gameplay vs cutscenesFF7 is more like 65%
>>3934546Op just say you cant read holy shit man
>>3937072>7 was wildly popular and everyone loved it.Which only proves it was watered down to appeal to the masses. The cream rarely rises to the top. You won't here normies talking about games like Lufia 2 or Shining Force 3 even though those games are superior to FF7.
>>3937432>my favorite JRPG? Heh, you probably haven't heard of it
>>3937432I have a hard time believing lufia 2 with it's jank graphics is better than tifas tits.
>>3937048>All of the worst stereotypes about anime were present and loudly. FF7 is like going on Tinder and getting some granny with bad diarrhea to shit in a blender for you, whizzing it up with raw garlic and Draino, and then just fucking drinking it and holding it in your mouth for a bit before swallowing.jewish claws typed this post
>>3934546Even back then JRPGs were story heavy compared to other games.
>>3934546FFXV and Xenoblade are more gameplay focused than ps1 era jRPGs though
>>3939357snes era was gameplay focused and they itterated on that gameplay to focus on increasing their ability to tell cinematic stories. FF should itterate on their gameplay again instead of reinventing the wheel every time. I think FF15 should have used the same action combat + ATB mix as FF7r - just with the addition of jumping. Why a franchise that gave us Kain Highwind hates the jump button is bizzare to me.
>>3939776>itterated on that gameplay to focus on increasing their ability to tell cinematic stories. SNES/ps1 jrpgs didn't do that, very few games did and atill do. They existed in a vacuum aside from the story. Actually it's funny that you criticize xenoblade in the op (assuming you're the op) when it's one of the few examples of the battle system tying into the narrative.
>>3939814i think xenoblade 1 is the best JRPG since crono trigger, and I am not the OPwhen i say itereated on the gameplay i mean we got 6 ATB games in a row and these games all improved. Imagine if we got 3 ff12s in a row, that game would have evolved into something incredible. We got two FF13s in a row and many people liked the gameplay of 13-2 more. Comparing the gameplay of FF12 to Xenoblade1 makes ff12 look really bad (gorgeous game tho, some of the best dungeons in gaming).
>>3934546imagine thinking ff6 has good combati love ff6 and it is one of my favorite top 10 JRPGS but you are a fuckin dipshit and don't know how easy and broken all the ff games are
>>3939357No point on focusing on the gameplay if it sucks.
>>3934546Actually, FFIV started that.
>>3940036>RPGs didn't tell stories before FFIVsome truly ignorant and retarded takes on this board.https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_IV_TranscriptFinal Fantasy just put alittle more effort into dramatic presentation instead of just sprites standing around spamming dialog.
>>3940050Calling me the ignorant one when you can't even understand the OP's claim?
>>3940052Explain then. Pro tip: you can't Because there's nothing that's more of a 'seed' about FF4 than FF2 or 3 or various Dragon Quest games.
is there an FF8 thread up? TIL that a derrivation of the word Eloheim is Eloheinu - which means Our God. Hyne
>>3937432Those games are certainly not superior than ff7. They’re good, but get a grip
>>3940050Probably the same guy from another thread who argued “modern cRPGs aren’t imitating the Baldurs Gate 2 formula of companions and romances because FF4 had dialogue and characters”
Thread anons calling VI "equally storyslop" are malding normies. VI's story supports esper/jobzoo ATB strats (custom builds, blitz/ultima cheese), not FMV bloat. VII? Hours of emo cinematics (65% slop vs VI's 85% fights). OP nails it: VII birthed Xenoblade/FFXV rails; VI/FFT keep combat throne. Codex combatfag echo: VI gameplay > VII (magic depth, no materia linear).
>>3941427Thanks, chatjeetPT
>>3941427>xenoblade>rails
>>3941427Xenoblade's story supports its combat to a higher degree than VI
>>3934546>Back in the 90s peop-Immediately stopped reading. >>3934597>The story is complimentaryStories aren't typically "complimentary" when it comes to RPGs. It's a narrative heavy genre. Yes, there have been RPGs without detailed stories that are successful. But by and large, these games are built off the back of narrative. Anyways, kill yourself.
>>3934599>calling anyone a nerd>whilst dwelling in /vrpg/Baiting or not, you're still a nigger.
>>3941640>gammar homo has a retarded take>surprising no one
