Why do zoomers treat this as a hidden gem now? It's literally the negative elements of Morrowind and Skyrim with none of the positives.
Dunno bout zoomers, but I think it improved some things over Morrowind, mostly by simplifying mechanics (guaranteed to piss some nerds off).Enchanting is a lot more straightforward, reduced armor/weapon classes (not reduced variety) was also a good change. Combat is better in pretty much every way. Fatigue was improved (but I don't agree with being able to fully heal by just waiting an hour).Skyrim was just more of the same, IMO. None of the changes were particularly noteworthy because the game itself, just like Oblivion, is not that fun or that interesting.
>>3935360>Why do zoomers treat this as a hidden gem now?Because they were impressionable children when they played it on their Xbox, and now feel nostalgia for that time. It's really not complicated. Same reason I'll always love Morrowind.
>>3935402I'm an '03 zoomer and played Morrowind for the first time when I was 16. It's a fantastic game and not just nostalgia bait. That being said, the unique world and environments is what carries it, if it had been a generic Roman/Viking setting like Oblivion/Skyrim Elder scrolls would have been retired.
>>3935360Gen X and Millennials convinced me years ago that Oblivion is smaller than Morrowind that's not even fucking true. So what else did they say about Oblivion that was negative that's probably not true?
>>3935360The negative elements of Morrowind were goofy combat and dorky animations.The negative elements of Skyrim were shallow quests and shitty factions.Oblivion has none of the above, and does a whole lot of things better than those games.
>>3935627>So what else did they say about Oblivion that was negative that's probably not true?It's all lies, and I'm being deadass. Never listen to unhappy old guys.
>>3935360Childhood nostalgia + shitty contrarianism
>>3935360>with none of the positivesthen why do so many people like it?
Leveled encounters completely ruined this game to the point it's unplayable. There's literally no point in progressing and gaining powerful if it just means your enemies will also be more powerful. Random bandits in glass armor (the rarest and most valuable armor mortals can produce) is fucking retarded. Ruins all immersion, completely ruins the fun, makes me wonder why I'm even playing because it sure isn't for the story.
>>3935728This.
>>3935360It has the best and most interesting quests of every elder scrolls game tho
>>3935779yeah this is a fucking lie
>>3935792it has the best and most interesting quests of every elder scrolls gamealso the best aesthetics and soundtrack
>>3935793>best aesthetics
>>3935793>best aestheticsyou mean boring generic fantasy setting with absolutely no original thought?Morrowind created an engaging, unique, well thought out world that was unlike anything we've ever seen before. And set Oblivion up to do the same. The Empire was supposed to be a crazy mish-mash of Aztec/Incan tropical jungle Empire with Roman Imperial aesthetics, but then the Oblivion developers were like, no, too risky, let's completely overhaul the timeline to make it the most bland, white-bread European fantasy setting imaginable
>>3935796>Bro what if giant mushrooms and 50 different not!realworldcultures!
>>3935796>skyrim>adjacent to a steaming jungledude skooma lmao
oblivion is just really fun to play as a thief. every year i just create a bosmer character, download higher independent thievery requirements and actually valuable valuables, and then rob all nine cities in game. every single shop, palace, chapel and wealthy looking house. it's just so fun to sneak around at night, especially in palaces where you legitimately have to plan heists, overcoming guards and stuff. it's also fun to rush sigil stones in oblivion gates with only sneaking and running, fun to run and bunny hop around the game, fun to crawl dungeons in secrecy, to create your own spells, to do daedra quests. dark brotherhood is well written too and i love whodunit a lot. it is janky, but i think it's a labor of love and it has its own mystique and charm. i mean just look at shivering isles. one of my fav games, i have hundreds of hours in it. wish my laptop could run remastered but i'm a poor shitskin unfortunately
>>3935801These are the Andes mountains, less than 100 miles away from the Amazon rain forest
>>3935798You try too hard. Name one game with environments like Morrowinds. You can't. You have the Dark elf settlements, contrasting with the imperial outposts, contrasting with the area around the volcano, the islands, then when you somehow get sick of that you can travel up to Soltsheim and visit the filthy pagans.
>>3935809skyrim has tundra and taigashow me some of those within 100 miles of jungles
>>3935792Literally name a single quest more fun than whodunnit in Skyrim and morrowind
>>3935815>"show me one game with volcanoes, swamps, rocky islands, english villages/castles, and primitive tribal camps"
>>3935826Show me one game with settlements carved out of the carapaces of massive prehistoric crab creatures, vast underground insect egg farms that fed the population, and swift travel carriages which were 60-foot tall ticks driven by physically manipulating its exposed brainsI'm waiting
>>3935832sorry, giant mushrooms AND giant insectsmorrowind is basically dune + nausicaa + dark sun
>>3935845okay the entire plot of Morrowind is basically a direct plagiarism of the plot of Dune. I'll give you that.
>>3935360>Why do zoomers treat this as a hidden gem now? It's literally the negative elements of Morrowind and Skyrim with none of the positives.Nostalgia
>>3935823Whodunit sucks because it's broken. You can stab people right in front of each other and they won't notice. It would be a good but not great quest if it worked.
>>3935907>I saw a dark brotherhood assassin the other day. Dreadful creatures.>goodbye.>Goodbye!
>>3935360It actually has good gameplay but the level scaling ruins it. Thats why I keep recommending people to play Nehrim, German autism mogs Todds everything.
>>3936142hey, how about thatnever heard of it; thanks anon
>>3935823Mystery of the Dwarves.
>>3936182>Mystery of the Dwarves
>>3936193>refuses to promote you so he can steal all the creditMaybe there's a reason he made Arch-Mage after all...
>>3935646Fucking this. So much this.
>>3935793>>3935795LOL
>>3935822It's magic stuff, no need to explain.
>>3935815>You try too hard. Name one game with environments like MorrowindsZeno Clash 1 & 2
The only reason anything elder scrolls pre Skyrim did well was because people back then were conditioned to the long term, actually fucking read, and probably not normies by a long shot.There was just a patience to be had when playing those old games. Go play them again and you'll probably find yourself trying to speed run thst shit because its so slow going. Thats how much the mentality and actual gameplay has changed. Zoomies think is a gem because its so radically different and forces one to plan out. Oblivion's level scaling really punished leveling up willy nilly and forced commitment to the build; Skyrim you just kill shit pick a stat pick a perk rinse repeat in a different line.Elder scrolls is a brand I hate going back to older games because its a deep dive into how the real world used to behave
>>3936664>morrowind bad because its target audience wasn't normies like meOk? Click off the board them dumbass.
>>3936843>Click off the board them dumbassWhat did he mean by this
>>3935360I just kinda started the game, now I'm at the sewer gate as a nord, and for some reason Baurus assumed I was a bard.. and hell I might just roll with this, and go full roleplay, or rollplay lol (because I feel like the class was rolled on me)
>>3936198Incompetent retard having hung post because he is friends with right people is top tier immersion.
>>3935728>>3935736Yeah that was always my biggest issue.The answer (before mods) was to just stop leveling past lvl 10. Stopped enemies from becoming sponges, kept itemization and quest rewards good, didn't fuck the economy.>>3935793While I wouldn't say it's "has the best" aesthetics they are pretty on point. While I do love the more alien world Morrowind gives Shivering Isles proved that the same thing could be achieved within Oblivions engine.>>3935796On one hand I hate when they fuck with established lore. On the other hand I hate tropic environments. I do with they didn't go quite as bland as they did. Really should have focused on that Colovian/Nibenay divide.I do appreciate that they tried to give every major town it's own style tho.>>3935802BasedJust in it for the love of the game>>3935845Yeah! and it's based!>>3936944The game takes notes of the skills you use up until that point and suggest the class that overlaps the most with what you've done.
>>3935360Arguments that only occur inside OPs head. Meds. Now.
>>3935360oblivion has always been the best. its better than morrowind and skyrim by a mile, and im a millennial.
>>3935360As someone who played morrowind oblivion and skyrim at release, all of these games are masterpieces and can be enjoyed by anyone.
>>3939229>oblivion has always been the best. its better than morrowind and skyrim by a mile, and im a millennial.I was in college when Oblivion came out. Its only improvements over Morrowind are manually blocking, and object physics . Peak Oblivion was shooting a fireball at a bowl full of apples and snickering as they fly. Once you’ve done that, you’ve seen the whole game
>>3935360>It's literally the negative elements of Morrowind and Skyrim with none of the positives.what do you mean
>>3935728Oh look, another retard who didn't find the difficulty slider in the options menu>>3935736>>3937194It's an epidemic
>>3939372>just put the game on journalist mode to restore your immersion after random pissbaby bandits shake you down for 10 gold while wearing an extremely rare suit of armor worth thousands, bro
>best thieves guild>best darkbrotherhood>best player homes>cool underrated official expansions like the wizard tower or the pirate cave or that weird dunmer insurrection Mehrunes Razor quest I've never seen anyone talk about>Shivering Isles being strange and wonderful>BEST conjuration gameplay in the series>castles in every town to sneak around in and burglarize best thief gameplay ACROBATICS and CHAMELEON>excellent Gladiator questlineyea Oblivion gaming. hell yea. are there problems? yes. I have more hours in Morrowind/Tamriel Rebuilt at this point, believe me, I GET how much more interesting of a setting Tamriel can be compared to what Oblivion gave us. Oblivion has the weakest modding scene, Skyrim is clearly more comfortable for 90% of gamers for whatever reasons. The levelling is FUCKED to SHIT in TES:IV we all know this and must mod around it.btw any of you niggers that don't play on PC and don't mod get the fuck out of the fandom/community/discussions I don't want consoleniggers that can't work a mod loadorder to ever speak to me about elder scrolls again
>>3939409>>Shivering Isles being strange and wonderfulStopped reading here. I replayed Oblivion a few years ago. The base game was tolerable, KotN was based, and SI was extremely cringe and I couldn't stand it. It's aged extremely poorly.
>>3939409Woah based
>vampirism gets me journeyman level destruction, illusion and mysticism at level 1A vampire high elf mage it is.
>>3935360Morrowind is known for its setting and atmosphere.Oblivion is known for its quest design.Skyrim is known for its open world and fluid combat design.Sounds like zoomers just discovered decent writing mixed with compelling storytelling, which is ironic since they’re collectively all ChatGPT-brained illiterate retards that don’t and/or can’t read books.
>>3935823Rise of House Telvanni, Trade Disputes & White Wolf of Lokken shit all over whodunnit.>>3935845Morrowind was made for old head chads that appreciate good writing mixed with eastern esotericism/spiritualism.>>3936664It’s like we’re witnessing zoomers achieve sapience in real-time, incredible.
>>3939409I’m still running Tamriel Rebuilt 19.02 (with the factions, preview, and travels .esps) because those motherfuckers broke so many incredible old mods when they updated everything from TR_Data to Tamriel_Data. Never forgive, never forget
>>3935402/thread
>>3941426I decided not to go vampire, not yet at least, but I got destruction, illusion and conjuration to journeyman, so I'm all set for some fun mage gameplay. I also got some training in blunts so I can use the bound mace to pound some poison on those breton mages.I tried Drain Magicka, and it seems to work like a cheaper Silence spell, at least on imps, probably some other creatures. I'll have to try drain fatigue spells too.And I had some great RNG and found rings of alteration and destruction. Usually I never see these. Now I just need one for illusion, and robes with some Shield on them.
This whole thread OP started was just a trollbait.Oblivion has the best faction quests of any elder scrolls games, best music with Skyrim and Morrowind, gave us Sean Bean and Patrick Stewart as voice actors, beautiful and lush scenery contrasting to the ashy wasteland of Morrowind and grey mountains of Skyrim, comedic NPCs interactions... etc.I also think it's the more balanced of the last 3 main titles: enchanting and potion can't be exploited to ridiculous numbers, and spell crafting you had to work for to unlock (unless you got the dlc). Even then, spellcrafting depended on you mastering the schools of magic to cast ridiculous OP spells, and need several others spells as setup to increase your magicka. Leveling system is garbage, but once you max your character, you can just spam transcended sigil stones on your armor and destroy enemies with spamming a "drain health 100 + weakness to Magic 100%" lol
>>3942057>contrasting to the ashy wasteland of Morrowind and grey mountains of SkyrimStopped reading here
>>3942057>Oblivion has the best faction quests of any elder scrolls gamesThe Dark Brotherhood is hard carrying that opinion. Mage's guild was not good, Fighter's guild at least had a twist, and the Thieves' guild was at least better than Morrowind or Skyrim, but that's a low bar. If every mage's guild big bad didn't enter combat at monologue range it would solve a lot of my issues, or if Mannimarco wasn't dramatically revealed to be some guy.
>>3942130IMO only Morrowind's main quest can compete with any of Oblivion's quests.Mannimarco may have fallen flat on his arse, but the questline still had many fun and unique quests. Doing the recommendations and getting access to the university grounds is peak.
>>3942137>Doing the recommendations and getting access to the university grounds is peak.That's kind of the rub, that is where the questline peaks.
>>3942153Hard to compete with it. Rip it off snd plant it into Morrowind's main quest and the university would be the peak there too.But the questline still had aces up its sleeve. My personal favorite is the Skingrad vampire hunter quest, thanks to the choices you're given on how to complete it. Jskar, wood elf battlemage, assault on the altmer cunt were memorable too.
>>3935360>more concerned with what others think than discussing games you enjoyThere's something wrong with you
>>3935360Oblivion felt like an empty promise. We never got to see the full potential of this title. Numerous retcons and lore shifts were introduced to make sense of the world as presented in TES IV. I wouldn't have been a fan of the jungle Cyrodiil, but I am neither a fan of the LOTR-inspired main quest and feudal world, where every major city is just some county/duchy.The way Oblivion's world is structured feels very familiar to us, and that's why a lot of anons cling to it and defend the game.If you watch documentaries on the making of Oblivion, you get to see how rushed the development was and the sort of constraints they were working with. I get the impression that Todd wanted the world to be as good as a facade while prioritising technical advancements like graphics (even if they didn't age well). This was made worse by the fact that they needed to get the game to run on consoles, which didn't have great hardware.So what we got in the end was a passable Elder Scrolls entry that needed to be palatable to the masses so that Bethesda could survive this development cycle. I can go on, but my main point is that Oblivion failed to live up to the success of Morrowind with respect to its depth in storytelling and novelty.
Oblivion was the first elder scrolls game I tried. Thought the character models looked cartoonishly dumb and hilarious, fov was too compact and everything felt bigger and weird, especially the close ups on npc faces during dialogue. Then the crashes during tutorial level alone were the nails in the coffin.Few months later I played skyrim for the first time, loved it, felt more streamlined and enjoyable for a casual experience, and I wanted more, so I eventually went back to oblivion and after a while, I enjoyed it. I loved it almost as much as skyrim. It had a unique charm with its design and npc interaction, and it's music! Ugh, everything about it was just so comedic and charming, I can't even describe it. It oozes charm and feels like you're in a cartoonish oil painting. It's like if the original Fable doubled down on janky and comedy unintentionally. Looking back, my young mind wasn't ready to enjoy oblivion back when I first played it and I may have judged it too harshly.Perhaps one day I can learn to enjoy morrowind and daggerfall to the same degree.
>>3935360Spell Crafting! anon
>>3942137>>3942153I also liked when you were sent to create your first staff.The questline really made you feel like you were actually joining an academy. Unlike the Skyrim College questline.But even now when I play a mage in Skyrim I go to each of the towns to learn from the court mages before making my way to the college.
>>3944690>But even now when I play a mage in Skyrim I go to each of the towns to learn from the court mages before making my way to the college.Yeah pacing things yourself, and making appropriate decisions for the character always enhances roleplay.
>Pretty soon, the beastfolk all knew how to read and write... which was handy, since it made them better slaves for the Ayleids, hahaha.This line of dialogue genuinely made me laugh.
>>3935646>It's all lies, and I'm being deadass. Never listen to unhappy old guys.Starting an oblivion playthrough, where can I pick up my first crossbow?
>>3945559>Some people desire special bows that require a long loading time and use special arrows called bolts. M'aiq considers these people idiots.
>>3939385If you build a journalist-tier character, then you should expect to have to use journalist-tier difficulty, yes.
>>3946203Not very bright, are you?
>>3946205>No argumentThanks for playing.
>>3946382You quoted the wrong post. Here >>3946203
>>3935360>It's literally the negative elements of Morrowind and Skyrim with none of the positivesThere are positive elements to Morrowind and Skyrim? People like Oblivion because it's the best elder scrolls game period. It's pretty much the only time Bethesda tried to actually write a good story and quests. It's got the most enjoyable combat and magic system. The most unique aesthetics with a more fantasy approach, etc. People treat it as a hidden gem because it kind of is. Most people who didn't play it on release got all their opinions from some youtube essayist who claims the leveling system is bad so they never play it.
>>3946382Let me spell out the reply chain, and see if you can read and comprehend it this time:>>3935728>Random bandits in glass armor (the rarest and most valuable armor mortals can produce) is fucking retarded. Ruins all immersion>>3939372>Oh look, another retard who didn't find the difficulty slider in the options menu>>3939385>just put the game on journalist mode to restore your immersion after random pissbaby bandits shake you down for 10 gold while wearing an extremely rare suit of armor worth thousands, bro>>3946203>If you build a journalist-tier character, then you should expect to have to use journalist-tier difficulty, yes.
I've played daggerfall, skyrim, and morrowind and was able to enjoy each of those in their own way. I could never enjoy oblivion though. Not sure what I'm missing. The faces are so fucking ugly without the benefit of being "dated" or pixelated like the older titles. The main plot is fine but not something I want to waste time pursuing. Mechanics are like morrowind minus the diceroll, but not as "responsive" as skyrim. There is almost nothing that makes me want to go back to this game like the other titles.
>>3935641>The negative elements of Skyrim were shallow quests and shitty factions.>Oblivion has none of the abovelol. lmao even.
>>3935360Literally how is [vanilla] Skyrim better in any way compared to Oblivion?
>>3946775I feel like you owe it to yourself to give it a try, considering you already played morrowind and skyrim. I thought oblivion was trash too when I first picked it up, but I went back to it years later after skyrim and started feeling a sense of homeiness to it. It's charming, funny whether intentional or not, and something about it makes me come back years after I beat it. Faction ranks and progression, the art style of the menu and character page, the npc dialogue and interactions... give it a shot
>>3935796The lmao jungle was a retcon idiot. Muh PGE people are the fucking worst.
>>3946903>Muh PGE people are the fucking worst.It’s time to log off.
>>3946854>Literally how is [vanilla] Skyrim better in any way compared to Oblivion?Hmm what would be the least subjective improvement..Gameplay in third person view. I played an archer entirely in third person mode. Doesn't play that well in Oblivion.
>>3946854To play devils advocate:Combat is more fun and dynamic, being able to power attack and shield bash was a big improvement, just like oblivion adding manual blocking improved over MorrowindLevel scaling is significantly less stupidMore interesting character building and better perks Environments are more varied and interestingDoesn’t have the terrible “radiant dialogue”Doesn’t have the persuasion wheel minigameLooks nicer, plays less jankyBetter music (Can’t remember a single song from Oblivion honestly but Morrowind has peak TES music)There are things that Skyrim downgraded from Oblivion (dropping the stats was a big mistake, both gams continued the streamlining and dumbing down trend, factions went downhill, loss of things like spellmsking) but overall Skyrim is the better game imo. I started with Morrowind and will always be fond of it, in the same way I think most people who love Oblivion and don’t think of it as the goofy redheaded stepchild of the series were probably Xbox kids who played oblivion first
Oblivion was supposed to improve upon Morrowind, not shit on everything that made it so great...
>>3947008It improved a lot of the mechanics, but it also took the adventure out of it by implementing quest markers and fast travel. Voiced dialogue is an objective improvement, but it was also a downgrade because it severely limited the amount of dialogue and its content.
>>3947076>Voiced dialogue is an objective improvementOblivions voiced dialogue was not an improvement in any way, much less “objectively”. Morrowind already had voiced dialogue, and the perfect amount (just enough to provide characterization, not enough to feel restraints of storage space, time, or budget). It also had unique VAs for each race/sex combination, while Oblivion started sloppily reusing the same VA for multiple races, which is immersion-breaking and annoying once you notice it. And Oblivion had the God-awful random conversations stitched together, which sounded like shit and were a meme two decades ago.
>>3947083The presence of an optional feature, compared to the absence of said feature, is an objective improvement, when all other things remain equal. Morrowind only had voiced greetings and combat taunts. Imagine if (and this has most likely already been done) every line of dialogue in Morrowind was voiced, with nothing else changed. Imagine you could also turn this feature off if you preferred the "authentic" experience. There would be literally no downside to this feature being there, thus making it an objective improvement. I already pointed out the fact that in practice the voiced dialogue did come with several major drawbacks, such as the dialogue itself being limited in the number of lines spoken, as well as the things you mentioned. So please, don't reduce my argument into "oblivion voice dialog = gud", because that's neither my opinion, nor the point I'm trying to make.
>>3947076>Voiced dialogue>it severely limited the amount of dialogue and its content.Is there proof? I doubt this, since almost every NPC in Oblivion has unique dialogue, random conversations about the quest player has done, etc.Tons of dialogue despite being voiced.
>>3947088>The presence of an optional feature, compared to the absence of said feature, is an objective improvementNo. You’re starting from the assumption that full voice acting is a desirable feature, which is debatable, and it is not optional.>when all other things remain equalAll other things did not remain equal.
>>3947089>Is there proof?This is when games shipped on physical media and there were constraints on the amount of data that can be stored. It’s also expensive and consumes a proportionally larger amount of the budget, as the volume increases. They famously blew a large portion of the budget on big name actors like Patrick Stewart.
>>3947089Play Morrowind and you'll have your proof. There are so many text lines of dialogue per race+sex that no reasonable person would think Oblivion would be able to replicate the amount in 2006. In fact, when I first found out that Oblivion would be fully voiced, my genuine first reaction as a kid was "Ah shieeeet. So we're gonna lose content."Interestingly enough, AI has effectively solved that problem.
>>3947091>No. You’re starting from the assumption that full voice acting is a desirable feature, which is debatableI'm saying that being able to choose between ash yams OR scrib jerky is objectively better than being limited to ash yams only.You're saying having the choice is not objectively better, because you didn't like the scrib jerky that you got served at Black Shalk Cornerclub last year and that others might not like it either. Grow up.
>>3947094Do you have numbers on how many dialogue lines there are in each game?
>>3947100Not off the top of my head. But as I said, consider that for each generic line, you'd have different voices depending on race and sex. If you had a different voice for each, you're looking at a multiplier of 20. All 3 elf races have the same voice actors in Oblivion most likely to help with voice line reuse, while in Morrowind they all had distinct voices (but were limited to greetings / idle noises).
>>3947106That doesn't mean there is less dialogue.
>>3947108It's not proof that there's less dialogue per se, but just looking at individual NPCs and their lines should give you a good general idea. Generic Oblivion NPCs will typically only have "%TownName" and "Rumors", ~10 seconds per line. A generic Morrowind NPC, if fully voiced, will likely talk at you for 5-10 minutes straight before exhausting every line. Not to mention it being text based, makes it much easier to implement more immersive aspects like %PCRace, %PCSex, %PCFactionRank, etc. How many times did Oblivion even have an NPC react to those things outside of the dark elf in prison?
>>3947113>A generic Morrowind NPC>will likely talk at youBut not among themselves. And yes there are different dialogue lines acknowledging race. Even PC's skills. The time of day. Asking or telling you to leave their property.But enough of this, if we don't have the actual numbers for the amounts of dialogue lines in Morrowind and Oblivion.
>>3947099>I'm saying that being able to choose between ash yams OR scrib jerky is objectively better than being limited to ash yams only.You seem to be describing some counter-factual hypothetical different game than the game we got. There is no option or choice or toggle between Oblivion style dialogue and Morrowind style dialogue. You get Oblivion dialogue and that’s it.
>>3935360Because the DB and Thieves Guild quest-lines in Oblivion still have not been matched to this day.
>>3947115>>3947099you're an idiot and the other guy is right.
>>3947147That's because the only thing we're in disagreement over is my definition of "objective improvement". Such a thing can only exist at a level of analysis you're seemingly not willing to go down to. If I say "an audio mixer having 4 channels instead of 2 is an objective improvement", you can always say things like "yeah but it's more expensive, you'd have to buy 2 extra cables to make use of it, building it required more components that are harmful to the planet, the chink had to work extra long and hard to make it, etc etc, so (to me) it's not an improvement, much less an objective one".We're not even in disagreement over how we feel about Oblivion being fully voiced. I don't disagree with almost any of the stuff you've been trying to lecture me on. It's just that I haphazardly made one very specific point with a very narrow meaning and you simply couldn't figure out why would someone say "voiced dialogue is an objective improvement" in a TES thread, if they're NOT trying to make a point that "voiced dialogue in Oblivion results in an overall improved game experience compared to Morrowind (objectively speaking, of course, because that makes me right by default and you can't argue my point)". So yeah, my bad, I forget not everyone is as autistic as me.>>3947484You're replying to two different people.
>>3947490>voiced dialogue is an objective improvementNta. Who doesn't prefer hearing Dagoth Ur's speech during the assault on his citadel, over what I imagine would instead be silent text boxes over the screen?
>>3947541I'm sure there's people out there who can't stand Dagoth's voice and would genuinely rather enjoy silence. Anyway, preferences are subjective. But if the game gave you the *option* to disable the voice, that would be an objective improvement, not because disabling the voice is an objectively better thing to do, but because having the option would satisfy a wider range of preferences.
>>3947551>But if the game gave you the *option* to disable the voiceDoesn't it? I'm pretty sure Oblivion does.
>>3947552I think you can turn the speech volume slider to zero. But that's besides the point.
>>3935360its actually the best balance between morrowind and skyrim. you still need to build your character well to enjoy the game, but you can't turn into a god immediately. its also got the best storylines, best DLC's, and best atmosphere. it was actually a good thing that todd watched LOTR, chinese cyrodil sounds stupid.
>OP bumps his dead thread from page 10
>>3950709>you still need to build your character well to enjoy the gameI don't see why this wouldn't apply to Skyrim?
You people fight over the dumbest shit it's insane, this thread gives me vivid flashback of a whole fanbase and wannabes having a massive autistic meltdowns about MUH LORE and MUH KIKEBREED when ESO was announced.
I have faith in Skyblivion because I want Oblivion to get mod support like Skyrim does
>>3950822In Skyrim, you hardly build your character at all.There are no stats, and no skill specialties.
>>3951028Then ESO arrived, and all the rage was immediately justified.
>>3951171>In Skyrim, you hardly build your character at all.>There are no stats, and no skill specialties.I guess you mean strictly during character creation? More like character set-up than character building.
>>3946854Oblivion having better writing for some sections of quests (not all of them, unfortunately) is diminished in this type of game on the list of priorities. Skyrim having even just the minimum of dungeon variety and the minimum bar of tiny stories scattered around in the world is better. That minimum bar of mini stories scattered in the world means more small things for someone to think about "my character would think this about this detail and react like this" for a fleeting moment, in spite of Bethesda themselves being terminally and utterly lazy
>>3946854>Literally how is [vanilla] Skyrim better in any way compared to Oblivion?Followers.
>>3935360everyone thinks its bad now, though. the remake convinced everyone.
>>3952374The remake reminded me why I love the original. Replaying it now feels like a nostalgia trip to when 2000s games were good, colorful, and perfect. Something no remaster can recapture.Then I see the horse armor dlc...
>>3935360It came out in the Xbox360. That is it.
>>3935641>The negative elements of Morrowind were goofy combat and dorky animations.and the static, empty worldand the awful writingand the dogshit questsand the ugly modelsand the unfinished mechanics
>>3953113>empty worldStopped reading here
>>3935728just mod the game retard faggot
>>3935360Because they still have never played it. The best case scenario they played that demaster slop. Not a single zoomer has played the original. >>3935641Oblivion has shitty factions and bad quests. It has extremely goofy animations. There is no Todd Scrolls game that has good animations. At best Skryim's animations are more "realistic" in a sense. They're still pretty goofy in their own way. Morrowind's animations are excusable as a tech demo. Morrowind's quests are often overrated. Usually all the high praise comes from a handful of quests that you see in some of the factions or the writing associated with a faction. Strip away the writing and you have just another fetch quest or a mostly linear do X, go back to Y. At least daggerfall had the excuse of being a tech demo for procedural quest generation.>>3941455>Oblivion is known for its quest design.Oblivion's quest design is no different from Skyrim or Morrowind's generally. The only thing that sets it apart is the character of writing. It's quite common for many to believe something as insubstantial as writing is the same thing as quest design. It's just the little cutscene you watch or voice acted dialogue you listen to. In computer games in general, there is very little difference between quest design from game to game. The biggest difference is simply execution of the particular template.
>>3935360I think you boomers forgot the impact of accidental, not manufactured meme potential as a form of appeal in video games today
>>3935360Idk to be honest, they all have their strength and weaknesses. The combat is leagues better than Morrowind, not as good as Skyrim but it's not really that far off. It has a better speech system than both, I especially liked that during the DB quest line I had to bribe and use the speech mini game before they would give up information. Skyrims speech skill is worthless with characters having few dialogue options. Morrowind has a fuck ton of dialogue options but 75percent of them are repeats that you can have with any other character Your skills actually matter in oblivion, and while you can't jump to one of the 2 moons like Morrowind it is noticeable.
>>3954210>It has a better speech systemStopped reading here
>>3954146Games that require heavy modding to be sufficiently playable aren't games really worth getting into. Just play Oblivion as is, maybe only Unofficial Patch.
>>3954210>Skyrims speech skill is worthlessActually it's Mercantile and Speechcraft merged.
>>3935360wrong
