>>3941936
Fuck you, Wojaktard. Keep your trash threads on /v/.

Another extremely high-quality thread on this extremely high-quality board.

>>3941936
you are factually correct and that's why I purchase games I like

>>3941936
you are factually incorrect and that's why I purchase games I hate

>>3941936
>If people paid for good RPGs
buying 30 year old games doesnt make the devs any money

>>3941936
Troika's death was as deserved as it gets.

>>3942174
Why?

>>3942189
Because every single game they released was an unfinished buggy mess.
If your products aren't fit for purpose it's only natural & fair that your potential customers won't buy them.

>>3942196
But people told me they were timeless masterpieces, did they lie?

>>3942199
No one told you that. Maybe they told you they’re beloved janky cult classics.

>>3942204
Someone told me that Temple of Elemental Evil has the greatest dark fantasy stories ever put in a game along with the best 3.5e adaptation and that its a timeless masterpiece.
I literally have it on my list because of that person.

>>3942214
>Someone told me that Temple of Elemental Evil has the greatest dark fantasy stories ever put in a game
lol
>along with the best 3.5e adaptation
This is true. It’s basically the only 3rd ed computer game that even attempted to accurately implement the rules.
>and that its a timeless masterpiece
I like it, but it’s definitely in the janky cult classic territory

>>3942221
Is the story thing really not true? It was like 90% of why I was even going to play it.

>>3942225
30 years ago… there was EVIL. But the forces of good banded together and rooted out the EVIL at their EVIL lair.
Now… the EVIL has RETURNED
Is your custom party of generic adventurers a bad enough dude to stop the evil… AGAIN?
You have to be baiting, no one plays ToEE for the story

>>3942249
Why would I be baiting when I literally have no idea about the game again a friend told me that.

>>3942092
pirate before, buy later

>>3941938
Did we hit "/vrpg/ was always as bad as /v/" posting levels yet?

>>3941936
The normalfag is a pig. Pigs consume slop. Any questions?

>>3941936
OP is a clueless faggot who doesn't understand how money laundering, propaganda, and forcible corporate buyouts work
>source: oldfag who worked in the entertainment industry back when people had to buy art to enjoy it. Talent was thrown under the bus back then too.

>>3942214
It is that good tho. Play it and find out for yourself

>>3942199
none of these faggots played any of their 3 games without the unofficial patches fixing all the bugs and finishing the game

they released a remaster and didn't add a achievements, shan't be playing.

>>3942490
stop being Pavlov's dog

piracy enjoyers have a lifetime amount of games to play, across multiple genres, that are all superior to modern releases. Literally none of us care about companies profiting or releasing new shit. That's a bonus.

It's usually collectors and casuals who would rather be spectators and cheerleaders rather than play the games seriously that whine about companies not releasing new shit or remaking some old shit

>>3941936
But I think the variety of games will decrease a lot

>>3942480
>none of these faggots played any of their 3 games without the unofficial patches fixing all the bugs and finishing the game
I played all three when they came out. Finished ToEE and VtmB, never finished Arcanum tho

>>3942490
>a achievements

I buy almost every CRPG release on Steam.

>>3941936
Blame the boomers. None of us were even alive when those studios existed.

>>3942533
>None of us were even alive when those studios existed.
I’m sorry. You missed out.

>>3942196
name a studio now that doesn't shit out unfinished mess on release?

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>>3942533
>None of us
There is a lot of 40-50+ here, moron.

>>3942703
unc crashing out fr fr

>>3942695
Sandfall, Square

>>3942505
holy based take

>>3941936
Black Isle was successful until they sold out and died. 2bad.
Troika always sucked. fanpatches n autism made them tolerable.
Sir-tech basically killed themselves IIRC.
SSL same.
Looking Glass was the only real underdog here. but it sort of helped spawn Deus Sex 1, which did sell well. then Deus Ex 2 screwed up.

>>3942284
>/vrpg/ was always as bad as /v/" posting levels yet?
it's more dead than /vr/ now

>>3942695
Blizzard?

>>3942703
if you're born in the 80s or 70s. you're a Gen X, dumbass.
i've never met a single boomer who plays games or vrpg, except doctor cat the furry. the game developer known for his work on the Ultima series.

>>3943150
>if you're born in the 80s or 70s. you're a Gen X, dumbass.
Plenty of older millennials were born in the mid 80s and are ~40 now. 70s is pretty solidly Gen X, though.
Lots of them got into vidya as kids when their boomer dad had a PC in the house for gaming in the late 80s/early 90s.

>>3943154
>Lots of them got into vidya as kids when their boomer dad had a PC in the house for gaming in the late 80s/early 90s.
Nope, we had a C64 at house in that time frame, and it was exclusively used by the children. PC came mid 90s, only used by me.
Using your parents gaming pc didn't happen to anyone I know in my age frame.

>>3942533
Boomers are in their late 70s and early 80s now, anon. They never played video games. The vast majority of them only know who Mario is and none of them could name a video game made in the last 26 years.
GenX is in their early 60s and late 50s now, and they were never "digital natives". To them, video games are something only nerds and losers do. So only about 20% of their cohort has any relationship with video games at all. But ok that small fraction is still interested in games that were made in the '80s and '90s.
Millennials are the first generation amongst whom video games became mainstream, but during their formative years it was still a thing that only nerds and losers did. They're in their late 30s and early 40s now, and they culturally treat video games as affordable entertainment. Some small fraction of them still go back and play oughties games for nostalgia, but by far the majority of them play modern titles. Roughly 40% of them just do not have the time to really play video games like they used to or they just never really were interested.
Zoomers (in their mid 20s now) and Alpha (high schoolers) are now very thoroughly documented with severe illiteracy rates and attention disorders, and so they literally cannot actually engage with certain types of games like RPGs which involve a lot of text and reading comprehension. Compound this by their meager economic prospects and you can understand why they aren't paying money for games that they cannot actually play.

So now you understand why RPGs are a limited market. You're welcome.

>>3943150
Kind of. Millennials start around '82 or '84. GenX was seventies, yes. The cutoff for Boomers is around '65.

>>3942196
Worked for Obsidian

>>3943204
>Zoomers (in their mid 20s now) and Alpha (high schoolers) are now very thoroughly documented with severe illiteracy rates
Where?

>>3941936
Where are the good RPGs to pay for?

>>3943219
Ignore him, it's just talking about the fact that the USA has 40m illegals and another 70m legal hispanics. Add that to the blacks and the literacy rate plummets. White kids have the same literacy rate they have for decades, they're just a smaller percent of the population and we didn't get enough east asians added in, plus the indians we got were the 85 IQ untouchables the smart ones used to flee, so the quality of all metrics went down.

>>3943220
I've heard good things about banquet for fools, prolly will get it at some point.

>>3943204
>GenX is in their early 60s and late 50s now
No, GenX is in their mid 40s to 60 now. I'm one of those, born in 74, and I still play games, though not as often as I used to. All my friends play games. And we're all pretty much normies with wifes and kids and two cars in the garage.

Even though I prefer games from around 2000, BG2, JA2, Wizardry 8, are my GOATS, and I will play them occasionally, I do play some fps, EU4 about to try EU5, Crusader Kings, Football manager, newer rpg games, etc. etc. My steam folder has probably a hundred games, though I've played maybe half of them.

I got my first computer when I was around 8, ZX Spectrum, then Commodore 64, then the Amiga, and then around 1994 I got my first PC and have been using PC since. All my friends have similar paths. And it's not like we're unique or something.

I don't know where you got that GenX are some kind of luddites and were never "digital natives" or think that gaming is something for nerds and losers.

>>3943240
So, like I said, 50s. Congratulations, you share literacy competence with Zoomers.

>>3943241
>you share literacy competence with Zoomers
Says the mongoloid who can't tell the difference between 40-60s and 50-60s

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>le 'we don't get good crpgs anymore' meme
Even if you only follow the autistic definition of crpgs being isometric, we've had lots of good CRPGs in recent years.

Underrail (sequel in production), Divinity series, BG3, Pathfinder series, Rogue Trader, Disco Elysium (i think it's shit but people like it), Skald, Tyranny, Wasteland 3 (underrated), Weird West, ATOM...

There are literally fucktonnes of them coming out despite it being a somewhat niche genre these days. You need to stop jerking off (honestly mediocre) old games like Fallout and Arcanum, they weren't even that good.

Move the fuck on.

>>3943204
Boomers played more videogames than you realize. They just played arcade stuff. The whole Atari crash was driven by boomers and early genx. Meanwhile, genx is as technically literate as millennials on average, they grew up with computers.

>>3943241
Oh, sorry, didn't realize you were retarded. Carry on.

>>3943188
>I didn’t have a 286 or 386 or 486 in the house so that means no one could have
Good talk

>>3942249
You're a reductionist retard
>XX years ago… there was EVIL. But the forces of good banded together and rooted out the EVIL at their EVIL lair.
>Now… the EVIL has RETURNED
>Is your custom adventurer/party of generic adventurers a bad enough dude to stop the evil… AGAIN?
What RPG am I talking about?

>>3943315
>You're a reductionist retard
That’s literally the plot of the game, baka-kun. I like it and think it’s fun, but as I said, no one is playing it for a great story, and it’s absurd to praise it for its story.
Let’s see you go ahead and describe it better than I did, if you please. And use spoiler tags for our fren who hasn’t played it yet.

>>3943320
nta but you are confusing the setup with the entire plot
what you described is only the setup of ToEE

>>3943354
>nta but you are confusing the setup with the entire plot
>what you described is only the setup of ToEE
The setup:
>30 years ago… there was EVIL. But the forces of good banded together and rooted out the EVIL at their EVIL lair.
>Now… the EVIL has RETURNED
The plot:
>Is your custom party of generic adventurers a bad enough dude to stop the evil… AGAIN?
That's it. There is no plot. You investigate the cult, storm the temple, grab the MacGuffin, assemble it, then send big Z back to the elemental plane of yeast infections for 99 years, and return to your cute peasant wife. It's an 80s DnD module primarily remembered for being old, set in the original Greyhawk campaign settings, and being written by Gygax himself. No one gave a fuck about muh story. It's just a pretext for a dungeon crawl.
Am I the only person in this thread who played it??

>>3943313
never claimed that. However, these machines were certainly not someones boomer parents gaming pcs.

>>3943366
>Am I the only person in this thread who played it??
Nope, I finished it a few years back with both fanpatches. Having a pair of enlarged half orc barbarians with combat reflexes & glaives guarding a greased corridor were fun times.
The best thing the Co8 mod did was allow you to skip Hommlet so you could get on with the killing of bugbears quicker.

>>3943408
>However, these machines were certainly not someones boomer parents gaming pcs.
They were mine, as well as my friends'.

>>3941936
zoom zoom should be banned from posting new threads.

>>3941936
Correct take, anything else is just piratenigger cope. I pirate 95% if what I play because I don't care if the studio folds and nothing more gets made. I buy the game (on sale of course) if I tried it, liked it, and want to see more of it. To argue otherwise just makes you a dirty kike.

>>3941936
All those companies are dead because they couldn't make good games. This is the same retarded "Piracy killed the Dreamcast" argument

>OP bumps his dead thread from page 10

>>3943215
No one plays Obsidian games anymore.

>>3942196
Troika was killed by the release date for VTMB. It was released about the same time as some big hyped up games; Halo 2, San Andreas, so on and so forth. 2004 was nothing like today where you're lucky if you get one good game out of dozens of slop releases. Early 00's were filled with banger after banger. VTMB, a small game from a small studio, had to compete with all that.

Moreover, the bugs in Troika games were not unusual to people playing crpgs made by smaller studios. Though they could interrupt play if you were unlucky, most of the time you were either able to just work around it and still beat the game. You might not even see the bug. Quite a few bugs were fixed by some post-release patches.

>>3950499
>Early 00's were filled with banger after banger.
It gets a lot less filled if you're into RPGs.

>>3950499
>It was released about the same time as some big hyped up games; Halo 2, San Andreas, so on and so forth.
>Half-Life 2
>I am forgotten

Wojak image posters need to be systematically euthanized.

>>3950519
>It gets a lot less filled if you're into RPGs.
Honestly written by someone who wasn't playing games at the time. >>3950499 also probably wasn't either, or is maybe thinking >>3950520 >Half-Life 2 was 2005.

I didn't even know VTMB was a thing until I found a copy in the bargain bin. A shame it has wear, because I never opened it (bought a copy with the t-shirt and soundtrack on ebay a few years later) and there weren't many copies made.

If you had a PC and at least one big-boy console, Half-Life 2, Halo 2, and San Andreas locked up most discourse and playtime for basically an entire year, until Oblivion in 2005. KOTOR was the year before. God of War was around this time, too, as well as mountains of other stuff that you are free to look up.

But Half-Life 2 was on everyone's mind. It crushed out everything for months. So VTMB was crushed, almost entirely by HL2 (there's irony there, too), both the hype and the game itself.

Maybe GTA VI is a modern version (A MODERN VERSION, NOT THE SAME THING) of what HL2 was then.

>>3941936
Piracy (let us simply describe it as stealing a product when a legal purchase is possible and reasonably straightforward and not aggressively abusive to the consumer and the revenue from the purchase goes to the developers of the product) is for niggerfaggots, for sure, but those companies didn't die from piracy, as we've already pointed out. The big problems are more high development cost and high (and necessity of) effective marketing.