The Extreme and The Dark Messenger are as great a theme as One Winged Angel or Dancing Mad and people need to recognize it so
I think FFVIII is one of the weakest games in the series, and I still say The Extreme is the best final boss theme in the series. The game's OST is pretty hit-or-miss for me, but when it hits it hits hard. The one-two punch of Maybe I'm a Lion followed by The Extreme always makes me walk away from the game forgetting how lackluster everything that lead up to it was.
>>3956837What are they talking about?
>>3956852They all wanted to destroy the worldKefka succeeded so he's bragging about thatUltimecia was stopped by Seeds, Swarming like loKusts across generations, so she's probably kursing themKuja destroyed his native world but then he had a change of heart and sacrificed himself to save Gidan and the gang and spared Gidan's world, so he's probably thinking about his regrets
>>3956837>The Dark Messenger...You mean the we will rock you song? Or are you mistaking that for Necron's theme?
>>3956866my sister in christ it's so much more than 'the we will rock you song'
>>3956870Kuja Theme - we will we will rock youKuja Theme 2nd Step - Perfect, no upgrade requiredKuja Theme 3 - Dark Messenger - ????? The pac mania song?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPLlJTOXCA
>>3956876https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4AQ7kRcn_AIf you had played FFIX you would know the track instantly. No I don't give a fuck Squenix changed the name, this will always be The Dark Messenger
>>3956879I know the track I just wanted to say that because anytime necron is mentioned it causes immediate chronic seizing because he has the better theme
>>3956890nah he doesn'tI like this orchestration that blends all three of Kuja's themes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUp-eb2AA9w
FF9 has the best OSTBeyond the Gate is the best ff song period
>>3956879>If you had played FFIX you would know the track instantly.You're going to hate me but I just don't find IX's soundtrack memorable. The only track of note is the novelty battle tune vs. the friendlies.
>>3956912I can’t remember a single song from 9. 10 probably has the best soundtrack overall, 7 second place. Hell I can remember some bangers from 3 or 6, but absolutely nothing from 9
I can recognize instantly:Vivi's ThemeWe are Thieves! (aka Tantalus theme)Vamo' alla FlamencoYou're not AloneZidane's ThemeAmarant's ThemeBattle 1Crossing Those HillsDaughter of Madain Sari (aka Eiko theme)Kuja's ThemeImmoral MelodyThe Dark MessengerQu's MarshQuina's ThemeFreya's ThemeSteiner's ThemeJesters of the MoonA Place to Call HomeGargan RooRoses of MayGurugu VolcanoMystery Sword & Protecting My Devotion
>>3956958and the boss battle theme too of course
>>3956879>>3956837The reason why Dancing Mad is so memorable is that it was emulating one of the most complex ELP Epics, Tarkus, and you'd just never heard anything like that literally in a video game before; the other themes are a lot more plausible. https://youtu.be/AGGpBXd7ToA?si=Oeol6g5Uas5_Wkafhttps://youtu.be/g6UgxJtHIVY?si=m1rslqwI-GxNzS5g
>>3956866The Dark Messenger is Kuja's leitmotif. I think it plays during the silver dragon fight on Terra, too. But his actual boss theme is The Darkness of Eternity. Which is a good song, but I don't feel it as much as some other boss themes in the series.I think Last Battle 3 (Cloud of Darkness' theme) is underrated. I love how punchy it is, and the fact that it was made on the NES with its four fucking sound channels makes it even more impressive.https://youtu.be/yQYh5TB-trI
>>3957063>But his actual boss theme is The Darkness of EternityBoycott Squenix changing iconic names. His boss theme has always been called The Dark Messenger.
>>3957114>Boycott Squenix changing iconic namesIt will always be Aeris.
>>3957115OG FF7, modded, it's Aerith and will always be.Demakes a shit.
>>3956837these women need to find husbands
>>3957330Presuming Rinoa and Squall ever married, technically Ultimecia had/has a husband.
>>3956837>>3956839Best version of The Extreme, better than the original even.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fayTxyje98
>>3957122>OG FF7, modded, it's Aerith and will always be.You don’t need mods to be able to spell Aeris’s name wrong. That functionality is built into the game, and weebs did it in the 90s.
>>3956837>Trying to squeeze in IX with VI, VII and VIIIStop pretending it's on the same level.>>3956861>They all wanted to destroy the worldAnd they all succeeded in doing so.Kefka is a straight up winner.Ultimecia achieved compression but was defeated after the fact, which undid all her work.Kuja succeeded in destroying Terra but bottled it when it came to Gaia in round 2.Meanwhile, Sephiroth was stopped by a dead street-girls prayer.
>>3958715>Meanwhile, Sephiroth was stopped by Omnislash
>>3958715Kuja decided Gidan had a point and sacrificed himself to save the gang. Gidan acknowledges so when he stays behind so that Kuja doesn't die alone after teleporting them all to safety.
>>3958715>compression>not kompression
>>3958516Good up until the two-minute mark. Guitar too stanky for this composition.
>>3958813Hard disagree.
>>3956837I agree, but I don't think Kuja really deserves to be put together with Ultimecia and Kefka in terms of pure evil. He was an asshole, and selfish, but he didn't want to annihilate all of existence and reality forever.He was a great villain, and fabulous and likeable. And he was pretty evil in his own way. But not like Kefka or Ultimecia. Those two aren't characters you could ever, ever develop any kind of rapport or relationship with. They're more like philosophical ultimatum or even forces of psychology, not really people or personalities. Kuja could have turned over a new leaf and repented and become a better, more likeable person as he was beginning to do by the end of FF9. He was a victim as much as he was a villain. He was the last boss, but he was actually just the tool of a far older, far wiser threat. He was a naive little boy, just like Zidane used to be... But, because of pure chance, Zidane had the opportunity to escape his abuser much earlier in his life.But anyway, back to the original topic, yes.
>>3956852Bob Mackie.
>>3957443Rinoa/Ultimecia spent time with Squall and then he died of old age and she never recovered from it. So in the future she wanted to collapse time into an eternal moment so that she could spend forever with him again.
>>3959556'80s glam pop rock will never be epic or classic. Get the fuck over it. It was just the stylization of the pop music of that decade, and never could be anything more. That's what it means to be pop music.
>>3959889>[Kuja] was the last bossThis is now a Necron thread.
>>3959889>he didn't want to annihilate all of existence and reality forever.He literally did.
>>3959911Not really. He was lashing out after discovering he was going to die, when he said that. Which was a pretty natural reaction, but also not a moment you should interpret as being his actual motive for living, especially since it conflicts with his more consistent statements all throughout the game up to that point.
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>>3960120100% agree ratio
>>3960028So what you're saying is he's having a man-childs tantrum
I really like FFX's Story-boss theme, gives a real sense of danger and urgency rather than a triumphant heroic feeling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87m2Bs9xp6c&list=RD87m2Bs9xp6c&start_radio=1
>>3960480I apologize, I posted the Demaster shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWE_214fXuU&list=RDkWE_214fXuU&start_radio=1&t=74s
>>3960475Well yeah. That's why he's a villain. Because he's an asshole. That's what happens to abuse victims who remain without any constructive support structures that parents and family normally provide. The victims ultimately grow into undeveloped, emotionally-unregulated and dysfunctional people. They're doing the best they can with brains that were shaped by abuse, neglect and isolation.He's a manchild asshole who caused extraordinary grief, anguish and destruction as a consequence, ultimately, of his life experiences up to that point. It's pretty natural and normal for people who have survived that kind of thing. It's literally why he's the villain.If his life had unfolded in a different way, like what happened to Zidane, he wouldn't be the person he became. It's tautological. So congratulations, you're discovering how life works... just like he finally did...
>>3960120The answer is yes. Yes 7 is WILDLY overrated.
>>3959894villains of culture
>>3960651>That's what happens to abuse victims who remain without any constructive support structures that parents and family normally provide. The victims ultimately grow into undeveloped, emotionally-unregulated and dysfunctional people. They're doing the best they can with brains that were shaped by abuse, neglect and isolation.Holy cope-sign projected in the sky fagman, could you project any harder...
>>3960485It's kinda crazy how the remastered tracks are just consistently a bit worse than the originals. I'm playing through the remaster now and I tried to give the arranged tracks a fair chance, but every time something would come on I thought, "It's not BAD... just worse than the original." They always put a couple extra instruments in that fuck up the tone a little. Had to switch after Operation Mi'hen.
The Struggle for Freedom became my new personal favorite while I was doing a franchise crawl the past 3 years. Something about it just makes the fight with The Undying truly feel like the culmination of 300+ hours of autistically completionist gameplay even if it's not a challenging fight at the end of such a playthrough.
Agreed. FFVIII has the greatest video game OST. Sadly the combat and story are pretty mediocre.
>>3956837One Winged Angel isn't even the best battle theme in FF7.
No Battle with Seymour? For shame: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nWHoYXIHeU
>>3960953That's what happens when something is already perfect but they feel like they need to change it anyway, because they need to justify selling the same game yet again for full price instead of a discount, or they need to give someone work to do to justify their employment.
>>3963716It's too bad Seymour absolute does not live up to his own music
>>3956837Dark messenger is alright, but The Extreme is probably the best final boss theme period.
>>3956837Dancing Mad is incredibly overrated and VIII's soundtrack is unfathomably kino.
>>3967489>Dancing Mad is incredibly overratedI would partially disagree, Dancing Mad is a technically impressive piece of work but most people lack the ability to truly appreciate it and are instead parroting praise. It's overrated only by virtue of people not understand why it should be rated so highly. >VIII's soundtrack is unfathomably kino.This is correct. VIII is a masterpiece throughout.
>>3967726What would it look like if people did understand why it should be rated so highly? Would it look like it being rated highly...?Why do you think you're so uniquely competent to assess the merit of a piece? Is it because you're a conceited dumb fuck with no real life experience?
>>3967743>Why do you think you're so uniquely competent to assess the merit of a piece? Is it because you're a conceited dumb fuck with no real life experience?I wouldn't say I am unique but I am a classically trained conductor under contract if that counts for anything. But I don't think it does in your eyes because you're obviously a poor soul that is easily triggered.
>>3956837The Extreme has the classic FF battle theme intro and is based. Otherwise repetitive.
>>3960120kino pic
>>3957443>same pose = same personretard
>>3968121They're objectively the same person for many reasons both obvious and subtle, but this visual is the easiest to attach to a post on 4channel
>>3968121Don't bother feeding it.
>>3968131The game doesn't support your theory. It's time to take your meds. You failed to comprehend a story and characters written with a 13-year old audience in mind. Congratulations.
>>3968131>They're objectively the same personby doing the same pose? By your logic Elon Musk and Adolf Hitler are the same person
>>3968247>The game doesn't support your theory.neither do the devvs:kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113
>>39568371. The Extreme 2.Legendary Beast3. Maybe I'm a Lion4. Dancing Mad5. Birth of a God6.Neo-Exdeath7.Dark Messenger8.One Winged Angel9.ZeromusimhoI wouldn't say that overall FF8 soundtrack is the best, as is often repeated, but when it comes to the final boss themes I think it clears.
>>3968263>The Extreme >Legendary Beast>Dancing Mad>Neo-Exdeath>ZeromusFF14 mostly agrees with you since all of those have gotten remixes in that game.
>>3968249>neither do the devvs:Shortly after Kitase retracted that statement:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8asSQorSng>Regarding Rinoa and Ultimecia being the same person>I'd like to take this opportunity to make a correction>It's possible Nojima or Nomura would add that kind of nuance. Nojima likes to do that sort of thing. Maybe he did it here.>And with that... I take back the answer I gave to EDAMAME
>>3968638>bullied by fans to backtrack
>>3969950If you listen to what he said, it's more like he was bullied in to answering the question to begin with.
