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Aside from God's Angels, I've never really fucked around with the weapons from DLC3.
Are they any good or fun?

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Garbage game, garbage threads, garbage fanbase.

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>>3958695
I know you are but what am I?

>>3958682
Yes.
Unis's Rapier and Florence's Gunlance actually become pretty important if you're doing a no items no CD spells no Bandarsnatch sword go GA SL1 D9 GG fight or some other challenge.

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>>3957553
It's called Aromatum Chaos. I don't know why it wasn't added to the BS2 ost playlist on youtube so I wouldn't have to go digging in the files to find it.

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Happy Easter!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget to collect Dodo and Jujub's eggs!

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>>3958788
Happy Easter

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>>3958794
is the sound working? it's dead on my end for some reason

>>3958800
>is the sound working?
Don't know, I don't have the script installed.

>>3958800
It's not working for me.

>>3958682
They're very strong and come with huge damage multipliers, they just come too late to matter on a casual run where you have virtually unlimited damage and all that matters is living through a few turns. Like the other anon said, the ones from Florence and Unis become meta if you ban God's Angle or buff spells on a challenge run.

>>3958800
No, it's dead. 4chinx's error reads:
>"Your browser blocked autoplay, click anywhere on the page to activate it and try again."
Even when the page is in focus, so something unusual is broken.

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>>3958812
weird
catbox has been killing all of my soundposts lately

ok, UPDATE!

i'm done with the guide. i didn't really like it, i wish it explicitely told me the madness thing and most importantly the YOU CAN LOOP WHENEVER YOU WANT THANKS GOD THE ONLY GOOD UPGRADE OF SOULS GARBAGE GAME MECHANICS

nyaow, i'm cleaning up steam cheevos before moving on to dlc 2/3. i will rush the flooded beach one, and then try to do all tales + mouse prison event in one run.

problem is, some fairy tales are missable of of course it's bullshit, like if you don't meet rrh you are already locked out of the node swimsuit right of the gate. is there a list of MISSABLE fairy tales or do i have to follow the walkthrough AGAIN to not fuck this up?

oh and i did endings a-g, the game's ok but nothing life-changing so far. i wish there was more prickett in it. we'll see if dlc3 will make me shout HOLY FUCKING KINOOOOOOOO or if i'll keep thingking it's a solid 8/10 rpg maker ge after all

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shes a danger, a fallen angel
but i like her
shes the strongest of them aaaall

Does anyone have that fanart of Hein, Miranda and i think grimm grinning together?

update: i got all the meme cheevo, except S T A R and the all fairy tales one. gonna combine the 2 using a guide, hopefully i won't fuck up

>>3958957
>S T A R and the all fairy tales one
These two achievements are pretty hard to get.

>>3958987
i got all the tales once but then i picked the ring, now i want the h-kino with node. sadly some tales are missable and this pisses me off a lot

as for S T A R i think it shouldn't be THAT hard since you can basically skip all the quests and send everyone to the rapegaol directly

>>3958669
Is this going to be an entirely separate game from the series?

>>3959070
Interquel between 1 and 2 about what Dog Semen Girl was up to. Also comes with a side game set during the timeskip at the end of 2.

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Finally went through RHW. Seeing all the callbacks to this game was cool, especially that the entire Mushroom Village somehow fell down to Wonderland. And I guess Alraune properly survived because she never met Grimm.

Also, obligatory bunny for bunny day.

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>Also comes with a side game set during the timeskip at the end of 2
Is that confirmed? Shit, I must've missed that.
Can't say I'm ecstatic to hear that though, I was kind of hoping that Reds last few months would be a comfy domestic life however unlikely that would be.

Why is Grimm uncharacteristically a wimp on the lake scenes in BS1

>>3959200
My understanding is that because people will seethe at Red cucking Grimm in DRH, the side game is an entirely free bonus thing comprised exclusively of Grimm x Red sex scenes in a slice of life setting to placate them.

>>3959274
Welcome to "Mary is a shit writer" discourse.

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>>3958788
>Failed to play bnuy party. Please check the console for details.
Your .mp3 broke.

>>3959070
>Is this going to be an entirely separate game from the series?
A side game that will likely act as a prequel to BS2.
And after it, we're getting another one protagonized by the evil princesses from BS1.

>>3959366
>A side game that will likely act as a prequel to BS2.
>And after it, we're getting another one protagonized by the evil princesses from BS1.
what causes mental illness? why waste years on a shitty meme spin off instead of cooking bs3?

>>3959364
love that little critter

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>>3959364
I know >>3958820

>>3959399
Toro said they're both necessary setup.

>>3959527
dunno sounds like cope. i doubt there will be more "necessary" than rhw

>>3959538
BS3 is obviously going to be the Avengers Endgame of the series.

>>3959538
RHW was made before BS1 and only retroactively incorporated. Completely retarded example.

>>3959538
making 20 scenes of poro fucking red hood is crucial to the plot, trust the plan goy

>>3959607
and? what a completely retarded argument...

>rushed rrh mirror event to make sure i don't miss the elizabeth fairy tale
>the dumb rat despawn and the cycle is ruined
got i HATE SOULSHIT, miyazaki is the worst thing happened to gaming in the last 20 years

>pretends to fall asleep in hopes that grimm will rape her
why is node like this

>>3959718
bnuuy

>graped griffin too soon and OOPS another fairy tale unobtainable and another cycle left GOD I LOVE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN FUCK ME IN THE ASS MIYAZAKI SAMA

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>>3959538
>dunno sounds like cope.
Toro himself said that the 2 side games would tie into BS3, so what do you mean by "the author's words sound like cope"?

>>3959750
>tie into BS3
that simply means that it's gonna be more lore, so same shit as rhw just not retroactive

>>3959751
Yuo don't have to explain to me what Toro meant.
I'm more intrigued by what that Anon (you?) meant by "sounds like cope".
Do words no longer have a meaning or what, lmao?
But yes, of course it's about the lore, story, characters, the gardens as stages where the stories happen. The overarching elements,

Whatever I guess.

>>3959757
it means YOU are coping by not wanting to admit that toro is wasting time on side-shit instead of making bs3 because "NYOOOOOOOO TRUST LE PLAN THE 2D HITMAN SANDBOX NTR SIMULATOR WILL BE TOTALLY WORTH IT AVENGERINOS ASSEMBLERINOS"

>>3959749
>graped
>>3959758
>AVENGERINOS ASSEMBLERINOS
Why can't you just talk like a normal person?

>>3959760
oh shit, i'm sorry, here you go my fellow lil snowflake:

It appears that you are engaging in a form of denial by refusing to acknowledge that Toro is diverting significant time and resources toward peripheral projects, rather than focusing on the development of BS3. This stance seems rooted in an unwillingness to accept that the prolonged emphasis on a 2D hitman-style sandbox experience—often characterized by certain niche elements—may not ultimately justify the delay in delivering the core title that many have been anticipating.

>>3959749
rape is bad

>>3959761
>—
Now in your own words.

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I dip in and out of these BS threads. How long has it been going on that 50% of the messages are written by this same insufferable nigger and when is he going to go away
>>3959758
>>3959749
>>3959761

>>3959764
you don't understand my words for some reason

anyway, i got the star achievement. now i gotta follow the guide AGAIN to get all the fairytales ffs. i hope i won't get too burned out for dlc3 because this shit is really pissing me off

>when is he going to go away
only dlc2/dlc3 left! hopefully this week, then you can cope in peace for 10 more years until bs3 is out

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>>3959766
He'd go away sooner if people stopped replying.

>>3959767
>only dlc2/dlc3 left! hopefully this week, then you can cope in peace for 10 more years until bs3 is out
meant for >>3959766 obviously

i know it's obvious but i really wanted to give you a (You), i wasn't tried avoiding doing it or anything like that

>>3959768
i don't see how people not replying would stop me from experiencing BLACKED souls 2 and sharing my experiences in the appropriate general

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>>3959718
>why is node like this
Node knows Grimm has a rape fetish. That's why she sets up a situation for Grimm where he can take her by "force"

>>3959801
i don't have a rape fetish though

>>3959803
Why not?

doing a grapeless run, wish me luck bros!

>>3959803
(You) are not Grimm

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>realize I don't have a save at Prickett to do all her covenants and go on a date whenever I want
>open the game, load a save, and go to Prickett
>forget the way there
>wander around for half an hour
>help Red bully the elderly
>forget my way around the nameless sepia forest
>wander around for 10 minutes or so
>make it to the train station
>realize I don't have a save for Victoria either
>make a save for her
>my save slots are full
>make a folder for my character saves and move them there
>talk to Hein
>no ticket
Christ, I forgot just how packed this game is.
Where the hell is the Duchess again? Even if the save is relatively disposable, I don't want to kill my bro.

>>3959815
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand 1.40h later i did it! all fairy tales, yay. i think it can be done in 1h with enough optimization but whatever, never doing this shit again

now let's hidden-body-dodo-run thought 200 floors of dlc2 because this is clearly how the game is meant to be played, haha

>>3959856
just watch all the recollections on pornhub, herr coomer

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kino....

>>3959856
>Where the hell is the Duchess again?
At the Duchess' Mansion. You're welcome.
From the left side of the Spore Forest. And if that still doesn't help, it's right from Pond of Bloody Tears. Not the one to the Liddell Cemetery->Cathedral; the other path leading to the right.

>>3959766
Meh who cares, he's kinda funny. This thread is basically a /vg/ general at this point with how often the same shit gets discussed every thread. Already have ritualposter, waifufags, etc. just needed a few schizos to round it out.

ok i'm ready for chaos dungeon

also while going through the item checklist i found out that you can get ship boss' canon but only if you go back where you came from right after defeating it, otherwise it's gone for the rest of the cycle

LOVE SOULSHIT!!!

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>>3959921
Yeah, I found the correct path right after I posted that, but thanks.
It's fun playing BS2 again after a few years though, the combination of things you remember, things you don't remember, and things you remember wrong, make it a slightly schizophrenic playthrough which only enhances the experience.

>>3959924
>ok i'm ready for chaos dungeon
Good luck getting all the exclusive CD skills.

ok i have to apologize: chaos dungeons are FUN. just the right amount of brain-deaddess i need after keeping in mind the whole game's scripting in order to not miss dumb fairytales

I'M FINALLY HAVING FUN THANKS GOD WE DID IT /vrpg/bsg/!!!

>>3959938
thanks, how much floor should i do? i checklist every single items to make sure i got em legit ingame before farming cd, so now most of the stuff is useless but i'll keep farming the exclusive stuff.

also there's a random drop of the bunny costume so i can get both h-scenes without looping yay

>>3959941
>how much floor should i do?
It depends on how lucky you are. It took me about 1100 floors to get all the exclusive items.

>>3959946
bruh

you counting like +1/+2 rings too? and afaik i can skip wooden chests, only the golden ones have items, right?

>>3959924
You get it easily as a CD drop too so it's not too bad, but CD has a better offhand in it anyway.

>>3959956
NTA. Rings are easy and weapons / armors / etc. aren't too bad. The spells are the fucking problem.

>>3959995
this. i gave up after i got most of the good ones

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is demons roots any good

>>3960048
I know they have their own power rankings dbz chart, but if this actually happened, the amount dead and raped people rapidly rises

>>3960073
isn't one of the things that she never actually sat through a beheading and wouldn't be able to stomach it

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>>3960048
yeah although king exit was even better and had a more distinct visual style. geolouise is a great protagonist, stiara is cute guine is a FUCK

>>3960086
breast cancer

>>3960076
the queen of larp

>>3960103
How down bad do you have to be to larp as a kid to fuck a pedo you had a weird crush on when you were little?

>>3960048
No, I thought it sucked. Bad writing, awful gameplay. I have no idea what people see in it beyond admittedly hype music and appealing art style.

>>3960180
>have a crush on a pedophile
>surprised by getting raped by said pedophile while larping as a child
how can one be so naive

>>3960207
>Bad writing
>awful gameplay
but enough about black souls lmfao

just say your a chud who doesn't like left-leaning works

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>>3960310
My top 2 favourite novels are Gravity's Rainbow and Moby-Dick respectively.

>>3960313
kek

>>3960086
The preview got me.

>>3959956
>only the golden ones have items, right?
All of them have items.
The golden ones have gear or a giant mimic, the other ones have consumables or mimics.

>>3958842
DLC 3 has interesting bosses in that they don't just have more damage and HP to simulate difficulty. DLC 3 has my favorite fight in the whole game.

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>>3960078
>king exit
A few minutes in and I'm already liking it. Thanks for mentioning Anon.
Also, I checked its scripts to grab the text log script, and I had no idea Langscore existed until now. That looks super comfy and pretty clean as a translation system since it lets you keep the original text strings and do multilanguages easily as extras and switch them on the fly with a script call. Cool shit.

>>3960363
DLC3 is some of the greatest stuff ever made with RPGM honestly, and I'm pretty sure it's being pushed to its limits considering there's a portion that lags on an engine level. I also adore that Toro managed to make good animation with just overworld sprites, or that he pulled off an amazing "glorified cutscene" boss fight phase in a straightforward turn-based RPG system of all things.

>>3960377
>it's another "[doujinsloppa] pushes the rpgm to its limit" episode
i heard this cope WAY to many times

>>3960386
If this were reddit or xitter I'd understand, but to deliberately come to a Mongolian basket weaving forum, on one of its slower boards, in the specific thread for the precise topic you apparently dislike just for the purpose of declaring how much you don't like it is a psychotic level of time mismanagement and wasting your life.

>>3960394
i never said i dislike it tho, i'm just unveiling the cope itt.

we like facts and logic here

>>3960048
Try Evenicle

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Drew a new one

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>>3960434
Based drawfren

>>3960395
It literally is just
>game contains porn: :) +5 score bonus
>game contains no porn: >:( LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
You see this shit in VN discussion spaces as well, where people will refuse to engage with great shit like Amagami or Fuuraiki because they don't contain porn.
Coomers are a blight and bring more negatives than positives wherever they choose to infest. Same shit as opening a bar in a previously alcohol-free establishment or permitting smoking. Sure, you get a new, larger crowd, but you lose something very important in the process and can never turn back from it once you start down that path.

>>3960501
i mean, they are just the other side of puritans

both are bad btw

>>3960501
What a bizarre post.

>>3960511
truth hurts, huh

>>3960434
Is this a reference?

got mary magical wand at lv153

lucky?

>>3960565
Your level doesn't affect the CD loot. Only the Depth does.
But yeah, that's one of the rarer weapons to find.
If you get far enough you'll get multiple copies of it though.

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kino reference....

>>3960570
I don't get it

>>3960570
shrine of amana?

>>3960575
>>3960587
rhw....

anyway, i beat the old king at 175. now i just need to farm items and that's it? besides the boss rush door i mean

also are time-space dungeons a meme?

>>3960525
Ye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M32ca1lo3dU

>>3960588
>are time-space dungeons a meme?
Yeah and they're bugged too, genuinely no reason to do them.
>now i just need to farm items and that's it?
Yeah, and enjoy the lore of the bosses. You have been going back to read the lore of the bosses, right, anon?

>>3960632
>Yeah, and enjoy the lore of the bosses. You have been going back to read the lore of the bosses, right, anon?
oh. i thought only the old king had it. can't i do that in the boss rush?

>>3960633
Nope.

>>3960632
>been going back to read the lore of the bosses, right, anon?
I never read the lore blurbs B)

i don't know how but for a while i got double drops on cd, was that a bug?

>>3960859
No, it does that. Dunno why.

>sekiro reference
heh

Black Souls 2 is an Alice in Wonderland reference

>>3960501
>what!?!? the medium that spawned from porn, where the majority of it is porn and only a few VNs are all-ages, has a high number of people who prefer EROGE? what the fuck???
You sound like an insecure bitter faggot who got ostracized as a minority in a medium you weren’t even the target audience in the first place.
This is what happens when you're raised by religious and semi-illiterate parents. You end up with a guy like this, thinking that "coomers" "infested" something that was made for them, when in reality, he was the tourist minority who only got a few scraps years later.

>>3960867
>>what!?!? the medium that spawned from porn, where the majority of it is porn and only a few VNs are all-ages, has a high number of people who prefer EROGE? what the fuck???
actually that's not true, the medium spawned from detectivege. but of course, coomers will never admit that because it goes against the their narrative

also one thing is prefering eroge, another thing is shaming allages games for not having porn

>>3960877
the number of puritans shaming eroge as “it’s just porn lol, there’s nothing there” and avoiding good stories is 999999x greater than the number of coomers avoiding good all-ages games. you’re complaining about a small hole while there’s a giant crater on the other side

>>3960883
that ratio is inverted itt so i think it's fair. both sides are heavily overdosing on copium

>>3960859
>i don't know how but for a while i got double drops on cd
It's because of the depth

>>3960883
You're delusional. Both of you, actually, but you more than the other anon. I've yet to see anyone anywhere near anything that could, in any way, be called a VN place "shame eroge". And the opinions of people who aren't engaged with the medium are irrelevant.
But the other anon is also dumb, since despite the frequent "no sex = bad" memes, people appreciate allagesge when it's good, too. The so-called "classics" of the medium feature a mix of both.

>>3960954
funny you say that when
>>3958695>>3960501 (out of NOWHERE)
we should just accept this every thread like good cucks and stop being delusional. this is not a thread about eroge right? there’s no need to create gatekeeping and antagonism to tell these people to fuck off

>>3960501
>Amagami
people love and blogpost it all the time, never saw a single person avoiding it or talking bad
>Fuuraiki
they avoid it because le “travel around mechanic" is failed normalfag garbage for people who dream about traveling or going to japan, not because of sex.
my last post btw. this discussion has derailed the thread too much

Any tips on for a SL1 run? Everything oneshots and outspeeds me because diff 9, so far i've looted the cemetery and half of rabbit hole, the only "good" things i have are dodo's covenant and a thief dagger +2, been thinking of going hollow to loot better but i would miss the help during bosses and the girl's scents are few, any locations i should visit? I checked the burning forest once but i forgot to save before quitting, there wasn't anything worthwhile anyway.

ashes reignited build? cat in boots keeps filtering me

>>3961005
>any locations i should visit?
Spore Forest for Wind Good Ring (boosts your Sped).
Mushroom Village for Unseen Pepper.
Use it to sneak around Bandy at the Burning Forest and grab the Hidden Body tome for easier looting.
Looting everything is key. Once you find enough upgrading mats, I'd upgrade the Knuckles into Kaiser Knuckles which has a skill that buffs your stats by 25% up to 50%.
Abuse poison early on and definitely don't go hollow because you'll need to rely on your summons for some fights.

>>3960866
No?

>>3961113
Git gud lmao.
Stack buffs during the first fight, have multiple actions per turn, learn to weaponswap and which weapons skills are good.

>>3961184
i need a walkthrough tell me the sequence of action to do, i don't wanna waste any more time than necessary on this

>>3961185
At that point just watch a video little bro. What's the point of playing a game if you're just pressing the buttons you're told to press?
Anyway, advice from memory: anchor ult gives you one bonus action. Anchor itself is one of the best weapons to swap to at the end of turn, the others being the guaranteed crits sword (better once you have high enough attack but worse against crit immune enemies) or the Andor for one more action. Or you can just spam the machine gun if you want, a lot of bosses are weak to stun anyway. Double omniboost should be on at all times, absolute precision if needed, a crit enhancement if you want, and elemental boosts are pretty good too. Knight's Pride is great for survivability and so is Soul Shield, and you should be blocking on the turns you want to survive on. But the cat specifically you want to kill without letting him do anything since he just nukes your build. I think either angel's raiment or the sun armour are the best body slots depending on whether you're going for defense or offense. Rette is definitely the best covenant if you can afford it but node and snatch are viable too. Try to experiment around and see which skills do more damage.
But if you struggle to instakill the cat of all things your ass will be getting fried by the actually hard fights. You should be breezing through the early waves.

>>3961188
>What's the point of playing a game if you're just pressing the buttons you're told to press?
to experience the story (locked behind hours and hours of grind and trial and error :skull:)

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I am retarded and get filtered by things but I figured out BS2 combat and had a great time with it. I despair at all the laziness from newcomers lately

>>3961190
Again, how is that different from watching a video, or from cheating, beside the fact that you can delude yourself?

>>3961202
>how is that different from watching a video
the same way reading a vn is different from watching it on youtube, if you don't get this then you lack media literacy
>from cheating
because it's not cheating? and i don't mind cheating, i probably will add cd spells to my save if after 1k floor i still don't have them, but i would prefer getting them legit. well, at least until i don't get too bored
>the fact that you can delude yourself?
what am i deluding myself of exactly? everything i said so far was cope-free imo (unlike pretty much every single reply my posts get....)

oh and here's my covenant waifu ranking for bs2 (no dlc3 implications), from best to worst

>holy trinity of waifus
Red Idol Prickett
Queen of the Heart Lorina
Foolish Bird Dodo

>sex tier
White Rabbit Node
Duchess Margaret von Tyrol
Tweedledee & Tweedledum

>nothingburger tier
Caterpillar Shisha
Mock Turtle
Hatta the Hatter

>mental illness tier:
Corpse Dragon Jabberwock
Frumious Bandersnatch
Mad Bird Jubjub

>kill it with fire tier:
Maid Victoria
Secret Princess Kuti
Wolris, Predator of the Deep Sea
Lizard Bill

>>3961219
You got a vore fetish?

>>3961224
she's funny to be around

>>3961219
what did wolris, bill and kuti ever do to you anon

>>3961228
>wolris
fat
>bill
cock
>kuti
dunno she just gives me bad vibes. the bratty oyster mogs her

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>>3961230
>>wolris
>fat
>>bill
>cock

>>3961224
>>3961225
she has a fat ass too which is nice

>>3961231
and i'm not gay

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>>3961219
taste is taste, I know
but Wolris is way too low anon

>>3961247
*way too fat

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>>3961249
yes
that's the best part

>>3961219
>Foolish Bird Dodo
Dodo is useless if your speed is over 4k.

>>3961257
Anon, please learn to read.

>>3961257
based gameplay prioritizer. bandersnatch and kuti after i hit the strength cap where my MVP covenants

>>3961277
>anything other than Rette
Ngmi

>>3961289
does she just give elemental resistances? thats nice but i tend to perfer glass canon playstyles over beefy damage reduction ones

>>3961294
That's Lorina you're thinking of and she's largely useless except for maybe one fight.

>>3961294
>elemental resistances
nta but nah thats lorina. rette gives a guaranteed bonus action and halves your speed

>>3961300
>and halves your speed
Which is a non-issue in the late game because speed caps anyway. You still want it somewhat over twice the cap before Rette because speed debuffs exist (and speed lowering buffs too) but that's about it.

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ok so basically to farm this the meta is:
>reach depth 7
>save outside
>keep playing without saving until you get the spell
i doubt there's a better way to do this, i got rekt at floor 300 once already

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>retards are still falling for the obvious ragebait
Niggers

>>3961436
Still wondering what Mary meant by that.

>>3961436
i don't remember that line...

>>3961422
holy shit got quick dance on 157

>>3961474
Is this your first exclusive skill book?

>>3961483
4th, the BLACKED ones in the pic are already obtained

>>3961422
>>3961485
>still no Chaos Blast
Unlucky

>>3961488
literally just got it, ez

too bad i used the squirrel tails rush strat so now i'm out of them, rip

holy banner too, i'm on a roll

only
>"Sorcery[Black Slash]"
>"Sorcery[Awakening]"
left and i'm doing the final gear check before dlc3

>>3961488
Chaos Blast is genuinely too op to be worth using.

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uhm, wtf is THAT???

>>3961590
Super mimic

He gives 1 billion souls and other stuff

>>3961598
no way

anyway, i'm only missing ["Sorcery[Awakening]"] and a bunch of meme rings, so i guess i have to do another 300 floor run from scratch and that's it

>>3961619
>Sorcery[Awakening]
A cool spell if you're into magic attacks.

>>3961590
he blocked me from the door once. and killed me. dick

>>3961590
just a little fella

>>3959718
Somnophilia

>>3961254
god i wish duchess had all of that

how do i increase the escape chance? what stat do i need to boost? evasion or speed or none?

>>3961598
fuck i saw 2 of those and thought they were bugged tiles or something since i could pass inside them

>>3961755
>creative bankruptcy: the character

Is Yibb-Tstll a friend or foe?

>>3961848
Just use the Tweens's covenant.

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kino spawn

it killed me kek

only one meme ring left btw

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https://files.catbox.moe/3moxhw.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/6u8r30.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/dobx3b.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/nncplv.jpg

>>3961890
>spoiler
You're not ready for DLC 3

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I had a fun time drawing this.

>>3961908
cope, i found a good guide

>>3961912
Based drawfren

>>3961908
>4 black rabbit rings
>4 chaos blasts
>4 rabbit clocks
simple as

>>3961891
Is catbox shitting itself? It claims all those contain errors.

>>3961891
all the links are dead anon
try https://uguu.se/

>>3961912
my mabel folder grows strong, but did you purposefully cut the image in the down border?

>>3961926
ok this doesn't work rip

ok i can't beat ashes reignited, it's over

>>3961912
quite nice, good job anon

fuck it, i'm goatmaxxing

>>3961932
>>3961934
Catbox messes up every image I upload today. I have no fucking idea what the problem is. This has never happened before.
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/141278295
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/141988747

>>3961955
>>3961964
What are your stats?

>>3961966
catbox has been killing a lot links recently, no idea why
really nice nooodle
>>3961912
cute Maymay anon

>>3962025
around 5k i think. i have 4 goats and uchigatana+5, i managed to reach onimusha but chocked to him

>>3962037
*her

UPDATE

i reached mabel. wish me luck bros!

>>3962056
Good luck

>>3962057
i died

i forgot to do the retarded weapon swap thing for the extra turn, it could've been a piece of cake but oh well

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ok easy, i got it. maybe not so easy. but it's also worth noting that i didn't know about duchess' covenant giving free actions kek

items check: done
dlc2: done

i'm ready to be life-changed next week, have a copeful weekend fellas

>>3961926
It's one crit oil chaos blast

>>3962080
Crazy that one of the worst BS1 characters gets the most op BS2 skill.

>>3962056
my experience with the mabel fight was her doing nothing for three turns and then dying to from injuries sustained from multiple miranda axe crits to the face

guysss what do you think about black souls miraheze wiki? I relied on it a lot during my playthrough, though it seems a bit incomplete and there isn't many contributors

>>3962218
atwiki is perfect

Why is there an option to disable floor messages?

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>>3962381
So you can play without the hints if you want to?

Does the steam version(with patch) come with gay ass replaced songs? Is there any way to revert to the original ost?

>>3962579
Yes

>>3962585
Gud thx

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>>3962579
Go have a look in the archives some anon posted the original files a thread or two ago

>>3962579
>Does the steam version(with patch) come with gay ass replaced songs?
Yes.

>Is there any way to revert to the original ost?
It's as possible as it is to replace any asset outside of the RPG Maker proprietary files.
The BGM files are in the Audio/BGM folder, and the way Toro replaced the tracks when the takedown request came was to find new tracks, give them the same filenames of the tracks thery wanted to replace, and then drag, drop and replace, so find an old copy of the game, drag and drop the tracks from its Audio/BGM folder to the Steam version's Audio/BGM folder (if you don't have that you'll have to find a decrypter to unpack the Game.rgssad3 file) and call it a day.

I don't think any of the other tracks were changed in any meaningful way, but just in case, these are the ones affected:
>チェシャ猫
>ジャバ
>胞子の森
>月
>バンスナ
>ラスボス
>ラスボス3
>メイベル
>深海騎士
>深海騎士2
>秘密
>ロルド
>シヨ
>ナース
>医院長
>医院長2
>白獅子
>白一角獣
>混沌
>赤い部屋
>裏ボス2
>裏ボス3
>裏ボス4
>黒

>>3962579
Check the Steam guides

>>3962579
wtf is this shit

>tfw i didn't beat the game

FUCK STEAM FUCK LOCALIZERS FUCK TORO FUCK REDHOOD FUCK PORO

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>>3962612
Blame the DMCA and whatever website Toro sourced the songs from

>>3962612
>black souls
>localizers

>>3962627
BS1 was localised. I think the Steam release fixed that.

>>3962627
>retard

ぶよぶよ ぷよぷよ > squishy sloppy

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post-patch tracks that you think are genuinely good?

>>3962654
the grand guignol phase 2, i dont know its name tho

>>3962654
Mabel's theme
Spore Forest's theme
Owl's theme

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>>3962654
Nu-Deep Sea Knight is a guilty pleasure

>>3962654
Spore Forest is alright
DSK2 is good for the meme
Trial by Blade is good
Lorde getting the GG leitmotif is good but I think the old one suits him better because typically you only hear the opening anyway
Both of Dinah's themes are good imo it's just that the original ones were better

>>3962739
so cute
It almost made me forget that red is the worst girl

>>3962775
red isn't leaf

>>3962833
leaf is best girl tho

>>3962775
>red is the worst girl
Based

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>>3962833
I don't think either can be the worse if Grimm canonically loves both. Loved leaf so much so that his beloved Alice gets jealous if you fuck her in fairy form.

>>3962861
Grimm loves everyone

>>3962869
Yea but TCO jealousy is a good benchmark of how much.

>>3962870
tco gets jealous when its own system is working correctly

>>3962882
Nothing about Wonderland is working correctly. Mabel is the only one who foresaw the consequences of what they were doing and everyone else got fucked over by it, especially TCO.

>>3962891
the garden is set up to have grimm fuck eldritch horrors masquerading as alice in wonderland characters to create more eldritch horrors and in that regard its working splendidly

>>3962893
>in that regard its working splendidly
Is it really though? It's been 64 cycles and in that time most of the other Great Ones have left, the remaining ones have created jack shit except for Node, and the whole third generation plan is nowhere in sight.

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>>3962893
The Play is falling apart and TCO is falling further and further into madness. It does its job only technically; niggermen are still being born, but TCO's goal is recreating the original tea party over and over again, and if you've read the original novel you should know how far from the original TCO's Garden is.

>>3960048
Fucking terrible, plays like an underbudget 80s anime with the most basic tropes under thick layer of "rape is le bad". There's better things to play.

>>3962654
I like all 3 of mabel's, electroswing pa ra pa pa pa, the og crazy dissonance one, and the halloween jammer

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>>3962720
hell yeah brother. the new unis one is my guilty pleasure

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Anon from the deleted /v/ Dorothy thread, I hope you are here. Otherwise I will be reposting what I asked to myself like a schizophrenic.

>>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/736776750/#q736782392
NTA, but isn't it completely possible that the fairytale's backstory isn't written by Mary? When Kai and Gerda meet in the DLC3 area, he mentions Gerda's "backstory" before the pure white prison. I suppose it's possible these backstories could've happened, but I don't really see any evidence of them happening (or not happening) in Elysium specifically. Dorothy also forgets what Toto looks like. I always thought that was implying that nothing actually occurred in Elysium hence why her memory is foggy.

As for the Mental Ward sequence, why does the apprentice have to refer to Grimm? There are a few mentions that she had past "apprentices." I always interpreted that as her living in Wonderland pre-BS1, gets kidnapped by Mary Sue because she made a wish for the fairytales and apprentice to be real (headcanon, since the shit wish thing happened to Lorina) and made into Dorothy the heroine.

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>/v/ thread got 404'd for some reason
Guess I'll stop by for a bit.
>>>/v/736783825
>NTA, but isn't it completely possible that the fairytale's backstory isn't written by Mary?
The fairytales, as we see them in BS1, were indisputably warped by Mary Sue, Node additionally confirms this in BS2 and we see Mary's fucking around with them intermittently as she was getting shit ready for BS1 in BS2's Chaos Dungeon alongside her own admission to fucking around with the authors' books in BS1 C, it shouldn't get much more clear-cut than that.
Now, if you were to have asked about their original owner, I'd have to say that it isn't Mary but rather TCO, and their original authors are of course the respective authors, but those are different topics.
>Dorothy also forgets what Toto looks like. I always thought that was implying that nothing actually occurred in Elysium hence why her memory is foggy.
Funny you mention foggy, because that's immediately what Dorothy pins the blame on. It requires you to take that explanation at face value, but it is an explanation that fits with the established setting of BS1 and it is offered by the character in question.
>As for the Mental Ward sequence, why does the apprentice have to refer to Grimm?
There's nobody else in the series that fits the bill of an apprentice she's in love with, as Dorothy is very clearly in love with said apprentice when she talks about him with the nurse. Grimm is the only one that can possibly fit unless you want to assume that she was in love with some unnammed mystery nigga prior to Grimm.
>There are a few mentions that she had past "apprentices."
She refers to the Tin Man, Lion and Scarecrow as her prior pupils IIRC, but that still doesn't fit her being in love with her disciple as I can't think of any romantic overtures whatsoever between Dorothy and them.

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>>3963169
As for
>I don't really see any evidence of them happening (or not happening) in Elysium specifically.
Once again, it is Glinda specifically that is the critical point here. Dorothy's "backstory" as a man massacring witches is very deeply intertwined with with Glinda specifically. Glinda herself absolutely existed, otherwise the Chaos Dungeon mentioning her specifically summoning Shub becomes completely nonsensical along with her own diary in BS1 confirming the matter of her summoning Shub and her own relationship with Dorothy. That's about as direct as proof as I can think of that you'll get of anything concerning the BS1 heroines and their "backstories" outside of Red, Leaf, and arguably Miranda based on some of the lines about her in BS2.

>>3963169
>were indisputably warped by Mary Sue
>she was getting shit ready for BS1 in BS2's Chaos Dungeon alongside her own admission to fucking around with the authors' books in BS1 C
They are changed, but isn't the process backstory -> pure white prison Ability to Change -> heroine? Everything in the pure white prison is definitely happening in real time, but it seems like everything before isn't according to Kai. Since the original anon you were replying to was saying Dorothy's backstory could've never happened.

>Funny you mention foggy, because that's immediately what Dorothy pins the blame on. It requires you to take that explanation at face value
I suppose. I personally didn't think this could be taken at face value, but I guess there's no evidence either way.

>There's nobody else in the series that fits the bill of an apprentice she's in love with
Why would there need to be? If this is occurring before the events of BS1 while she's a child in Wonderland it could just be fantasy for her. Otherwise wouldn't the timeline have to be BS1 -> She somehow reincarnates into BS2 mental ward -> Dies again.

>>3963174
>Glinda herself absolutely existed
I had to go reread a bit and I agree with that but just because Dorothy's backstory involves her doesn't necessarily mean Dorothy herself was actually there since the CD library specifically mentions Glinda. Yes, the Black Trial lore is too complicated for Mary Sue to fabricate like you mentioned in the other post, but she doesn't have to fabricate all of it. If Black Trial + Glinda/Shub already existed and got kidnapped by Mary, adding Dorothy to it as an addendum doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility especially with how she alters backstories. I find this more reasonable to the timeline and Mental Ward scenes.

>>3963197 (me)
Also if we go with the Dorothy was born as a man timeline, where did the soul originally come from before Elysium and why would the soul be a girl in BS2? We know from Demonic Princess of Thorns that the fairytale and the soul is separate, one can be destroyed with the other surviving. So if in this scenario Dorothy is the soul, which lines up with the Goose/Chick soul in "different" fairytales, it makes no sense that she would be a women.

>>3963197
>>3963174
Neither of you but the way I've worked it out in my head is to assume that RHW being Elysium take #1 doesn't mean BS1 is take #2. It's actually probably take #N. There's a not insignificant amount of time between Grimm being created and the Tea Party ending*, and there's a lot of stuff in the CD that wasn't in BS1 but had to come after RHW. The Lost Empire was Mary's final creation, but most of the heroines therein had probably gone through RHW-equivalents of their own as she fucked around, with Dorothy specifically being one. So her Backstory of being a gender flipping wizard is what Mary imposes on her, but her "backstory" of fucking around with Glinda and Leonard really did happen in an iteration of the garden prior to BS1 (note that in her Hotel fight Dorothy is shown to know what gardens are), and that explains how there's stuff in the Lost Empire that really did happen before the play begins with Grimm waking up: Mary had other games running before she got a hold of him. The side game about the Princesses will imo be set in another pre-BS1 iteration of the garden.
*If you assume the timeline goes Grimm is created > TCO steals him for the TP, and not that Mary took the guy in the TP as the basis to create Grimm. I think the former is the intended interpretation since Mary steals Lewis the same night TCO steals Alice, and her stepfather stealing her new toy tracks with Mary seething, but you never know.

>"I don't understand human emotions"
>gloats and seethes about winning and losing in chess
>is sad that her ex-wife is dead
>keeps all of her daughter's toys and diaries
>vengeful towards the guy who cucked her
Does Mabel really?

>>3963175
>They are changed, but isn't the process backstory -> pure white prison Ability to Change -> heroine?
I agree in theory, but in practice I think it shakes out a bit differently. She canonically cannot be fucking assed with the details to an almost painful degree based on how Red describes her and Elizabeth's, well, everything, on top of the work we see from her ourselves. Backstory for her is effectively just shitting on a piece of paper without any real concern for how it might interact with something else, and if it something comes up because of that later then she might try to fix it then or just try to sweep it under the proverbial rug and hope Grimm or whoever else doesn't notice.
Personally, I think her creative approach based off what we've seen so far is more along the lines of fucking around with the victim in the prison and just going with whatever pops into her mind at the time and trying to make it work by editing the body and/or the memory of said victim, so the first two steps here are much more intertwined rather than sequential, along with her inevitable failures in the final product sending her back to the creation phase until she's either satisfied, or just scrapping the project entirely.
1/3

>>3963223
>Since the original anon you were replying to was saying Dorothy's backstory could've never happened.
Again, the glaring issue for me here is that Mary Sue canonically cannot even remotely keep shit straight in her own writing. It's a creative failure that I believe should naturally extend to other creative edits from her such as memory alteration for instance, which is why I believe we get shit like Red noticing when Mary's trying to sneak in memories of shit that explicitly didn't happen into her brain. Going from that consistent pattern of gross negligence and failure for even small things, to keeping a stated history of "hundreds" of years involving the witches and Dorothy, along with the shit surrounding the Black Trial as a result of all that, all apparently internally consistent enough for Dorothy to never bat an eye at it (at least while we're in earshot), and along with said events being relatively detailed across both games beggars belief for me. I do not believe that anon's original argument that the entirety of BS1's backstory is fake and gay, and that the only "real" events are the ones we personally see once starting the game, it just doesn't line up with established canon even if just for Glinda alone.
2/3

>>3963224
>If this is occurring before the events of BS1 while she's a child in Wonderland it could just be fantasy for her.
Dorothy being a child is funny since she mentions in BS1 that making herself youthful is as easy as flipping her sex due to her abilities as a sorcerer, having apparently used it to deage herself from being a decrepit old man before. She also talks about reincarnating multiple times IIRC. Now, it doesn't explain Dorothy describing her BS1 backstory or her falling in love with Grimm to the nurse when her soul should theoretically be in Mary's garden, but Dorothy herself was weird in general in BS1, being one of the strongest and most knowledgeable people in the game outside of the actual people behind what was happening.
More to the point though, I don't buy the fantasy angle, her "fantasy" and the actual events of BS1 and its backstory as we know them for that align too well to just be mere coincidence to me. The only thing that makes any kind of sense at all to me is it somehow running concurrently (BS1 backstory -> meeting Grimm -> death and return into the book as we're told happens to the fairy tales in BS1 and what seems to happen in BS2 with our meeting with Dorothy), but that also has a whole host of issues for me. Personally, I said fuck it, and just chalked this up to something that EMMM's going to try to explain later, probably in DRH with what Red seems to know about the book heroines in BS2. For what it's worth, my current schizo theory is that it's some bizarre form of astral projection outside of the garden a la Lorde's bullshit in DLC 3 and him invading your ass with his mind despite physically being in the jail, but I'm really just throwing shit at the wall here.
3/3

>>3963222
>"I don't understand human emotions"
What I like most is how she makes fun of Node's feelings, but ends up falling into the same trap herself.

>>3963197
>but she doesn't have to fabricate all of it. If Black Trial + Glinda/Shub already existed and got kidnapped by Mary, adding Dorothy to it as an addendum doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility especially with how she alters backstories.
I would agree and find this to be a very reasonable explanation if it wasn't for Red's statement about her and Elizabeth. I find it hard to state just how incompetent of a writer Mary Sue has to be in order to fail to such a spectacular degree, failures that should theoretically be noticeable to anyone that bothers to think about them at all as long as they're not like Elizabeth and decide to just go along with things instead of fight against it. Dorothy's many things, but an idiot that doesn't fight is not one of them in my estimation. If she was poorly written into the history of the witches by Mary Sue, I believe that we would have seen or heard about some evidence of that by this point in time. Instead it all remains fairly consistent throughout the game as far as I can remember, and that consistency of writing is what gets me here since it's the antithesis of Mary Sue's own writing.

>>3963223
It's worth noting that the White Prison is kinda just like, a place Mary and TCO put shit in, unrelated to her power. It's where the real Victoria was trapped while Mary modelled the BS1 version off of her.
>>3963226
>Lorde
Lorde is literally just built different as far as we know. He's dead in the real world at that point and he survives in the Dreamlands and he's as strong as he is just off of the power of his creative mind.

>>3963230
Red and Elizabeth get the worst writing because they were the first, but Mary did get better over time. Dorothy ought to be one of her latest creations.

>>3963231
>It's worth noting that the White Prison is kinda just like, a place Mary and TCO put shit in, unrelated to her power. It's where the real Victoria was trapped while Mary modelled the BS1 version off of her.
While it seems to occupy the garden space between the dream proper and reality based on the instances we see or hear about in BS2, I don't think it's unrelated to Mary's power either, as far as actors go everyone that we've seen spend time in there got the Power to Change special while they were in there as far as I can recall, including Lewis (Mary's original torture seems to take place in this space), BS2 Victoria and Leopold.
>He's dead in the real world at that point
Where the fuck is it said that he's dead in reality? Genuinely, I don't think I've ever heard this before outside of people speculating that he kicked it after the GG invasion, but that's after, not before. As far as I can remember he came to Wonderland looking for his GG, I find it hard to believe he managed that while dead already considering how death works in BS.
>>3963232
>but Mary did get better over time.
I am calling bullshit on that. BS1 is full of her awful writing even outside of those two, to keep things topical I feel like Dorothy's heroine ending in particular is hilariously stupid, though I suppose Dorothy's ending is still better than Elizabeth's "oh shit I wrote myself into a corner better just splat her and end things while I can" fuckass ending. The only halfway decent heroine endings IMO are Red's (who isn't going along with shit already), Leaf's which is a boilerplate good ending, Miranda (who isn't even one of Mary's creations in the first place if what's said about Shub finding and raising her is at all believed and her fightfag tendencies fit her character death) and Elma since her murderhobo habits get alluded to a few times beforehand.

>>3963230
>I find it hard to state just how incompetent of a writer Mary Sue has to be in order to fail to such a spectacular degree, failures that should theoretically be noticeable to anyone that bothers to think about them at all as long as they're not like Elizabeth.
I think its difficult to say that Mary would be incompetent to do so because almost everything we know about Dorothy's time with the Witches comes from Dorothy's POV, it would stay consistent regardless because she would've just been fed the actual history that happened, even if she didn't exist. I get your point that Dorothy should notice inconsistencies, but unlike Elizabeth and Red Hood, this supposedly actually happened. If there were inconsistencies, the Witches won't be here to tell her or us.

Also I won't lie, I finished BS1 a few months ago and haven't replayed so I'm already a little rusty and might be wrong about this, but I think the only reference TO Dorothy from the Witches was that one in Glinda's journal. Could very possibly just be a case of Mary fucking with her.

Also all this discussion from this many lorefags makes me wonder if Toro even thought this far. Not even mentioning RHW, BS1 lore is definitely a bit rough around the edges, and my bane is the Mary is a shit writer for all the bad parts, and Toro is a good writer for the good parts.

>>3963245
I also say also too much. I'm going to bed.

I'm sleep deprived trying to find lore blurbs from Youtube videos, the wiki, and rummaging through my saves. I really need to decompile the game so I can have the full script. Or if any anons here have a copy (1 and/or 2), I would appreciate you a lot for saving me the hassle.

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>>3963245
>I think its difficult to say that Mary would be incompetent to do so
We are told directly that Mary Sue really is that fucking awful when it comes to writing, and are shown many examples of it both in BS1 and from her bits in BS2. Mary Sue is genuinely that fucking incompetent in terms of consistency, in light of that it's no surprise that her own fucking power abandoned her ass in favor of someone that can actually write a coherent story.
>because almost everything we know about Dorothy's time with the Witches comes from Dorothy's POV, it would stay consistent regardless because she would've just been fed the actual history that happened
Again, Mary Sue is incapable of that kind of consistency. This isn't fan speculation, it's directly given in the game, she is someone that could hardly care less about the details or if anything that she writes actually makes sense with itself or anything else, and it fucking shows. Mary Sue being capable of that kind of internal consistency at all, even when basing it off of real events, would make her a far better writer than she is right now.
>I get your point that Dorothy should notice inconsistencies, but unlike Elizabeth and Red Hood, this supposedly actually happened.
Mary trying to engage in any kind of creative writing here is the problem for her. I do not believe that Mary's known writing capabilities are capable of fooling Dorothy and her own memories based off what we're shown and know about both of them.
>and my bane is the Mary is a shit writer for all the bad parts, and Toro is a good writer for the good parts.
She isn't named the way she is for no reason, and while I would agree that it's a bit too on the nose, I would also say that it's completely intentional on Toro's part as a writer as well, even if I don't always like Toro's actual writing or justifications he gives.

>>3963256
>Or if any anons here have a copy (1 and/or 2), I would appreciate you a lot for saving me the hassle.
I forget how exactly I came across this some years ago, but it looks like it updated in the time since I originally grabbed my files.
https://gitgud.io/Astrologeos/the-black-souls-bin/-/tree/master
There's text dumps of BS1 (or at least there was dumps of the old translation of 1, not sure if the updated Steam translation got uploaded here at any point), BS2, and now RHW which I'll be grabbing here in a minute.

>>3963244
>Where the fuck is it said that he's dead in reality?
He has to be simply because of when BS2 takes place, given he died in 1942 irl. This is more a matter of Mythos bullshit, but one can continue living in the Dreamlands after their physical death and it's something Howard tended to associate with being an artist and all that crap.

What artist inspired Poro's Style?

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>>3963293
>He has to be simply because of when BS2 takes place, given he died in 1942 irl.
We have late 1890's-early 1900's cars in BS2 G on top of other established dates like 1888 inside of the Mental Ward. Personally, I feel like placing the series after 1942 chronologically is way out there to me, although another part of me feels like arguing chronology in this series is a fool's errand to begin with when we have fuckers like Gacy's ass in Queensland or ebin AC references from Prickett among other OoP shit throughout.

>>3963244
>BS2 Victoria
BS2 Victoria got 0 changes though, and she's entirely herself, she was just born a violence demon. What we see in DLC3 lines up with what we learn of her. Also, Alice's soul is held in the WP too, despite TCO being the one who took her.
Still not sure what's up with Gerda.

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>>3962977
rape is bad though

>>3963314
why did node do that to her
she angered cthulhu

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>>3963303
Oh, and Alice and Lewis don't make much sense with a timeline stretching into the fucking 1940's to me either. Lewis, at least IRL, dies in early 1898 and Alice herself dies in 1934. A timeline that late would require you to also take both of them as being dead, and for quite some time at that on top of there being a relatively massive gap in time between the memory flames and the actual events of BS2 proper, which I find hard to line up with Prickett's monologue in Queensland and the other dates in the game.
>>3963306
>BS2 Victoria got 0 changes though
I was being cute with the term, but being slightly more serious here the Power to Change treatment doesn't necessarily mean that the changes stick or were even necessarily the goal in the first place, just that it was being used on someone else. We're told by Victoria directly that Mary was constantly trying to fuck with her mind and torture her during her time trapped in the white prison, much in the same way that we know Mary does for her other victims at least. Unless you believe that she specifically didn't get hit with the shit for some unknown reason I think it's a fair assumption given what we know about Lewis and Leopold.
>Also, Alice's soul is held in the WP too, despite TCO being the one who took her.
When we see it, it is held in the white prison, yes, but that in and of itself doesn't mean much when we see it during a period in which the Power to Change still exists in that garden. Also I specified actors for a reason as IRL Alice is not an actor or playing any part in the play, and thus has no reason to be edited into a role by the niggermen that I can think of.

>>3963303
Daddy-Long-Legs alone places you past 1912. Lorde already having written all his 150 plays and being a depressed fuck who struggles with his own creativity puts in the 1920s at the earliest, probably even further into WW2 territory and the irl GG's decline. Lorina Liddell died in 1930 IIRC. Prickett references the Enfield Poltergeist from 1979, and not as a meta reference like her song lyrics but explicitly. Mary chose her own name and there's a chance she chose that on purpose. Gacy like you mentioned puts us in the 80s too and there may be other books that were written later too. The cars and look of the place in G End isn't actually an issue because Red's ass was in Agartha and technology there is a recent thing when she gets there. It's all pretty fucky in terms of the Mythos because outer ones don't necessarily experience time linearly and the Great Race's existence means information from the future can freely travel to the past, but at the same time we also see security cameras in DLC3 I'm pretty sure. BS2 happening in the 1980s makes the most sense, as weird as it is.

guys i figured it out rhw takes place in 2016, bs1 takes place in 2017, and bs2 takes place in 2018
also what the fuck, theres an actual wikipedia page now?

>>3963316
>Alice and Lewis don't make much sense with a timeline stretching into the fucking 1940's
Alice and Lewis, and we see the exact night they were stolen in BS2 after a meeting that I don't believe happened irl, went to the Tea Party after TCO stole the latter from Mary. And a lot of fucking shit happened during the Tea Party. Enough for TCO to fall in love with Grimm, and enough for whatever Arthurian bullshit Yog got entangled with when it came to the Red Queen, and enough for Jabberwock to die there, and even more stuff that Mabel hints about and we know nothing of. There is legitimately a massive knowledge gap between the BS2 memories and Prayer Master being an idiot and the start of BS1 and there may be even more stuff in between we know nothing of given Grimm was already amnesiac when he woke up in Wonderland the first time.

>>3963315
kuti is an uninvited party crasher at the end of the day. that scene did make me dislike node though. she basically says grimm gets to rape because hes le struggler and that its an honor to be raped by grimm.i'm the type of person to never fill out the dungeons because A i don't like rape and B i think that the whole dominance thing is largely an illusion, do you seriously think jubjub and jabberwock are now servantile sex slaves because grimm raped them once or twice? no obviously not they're just playing it up for the garden and so that grimm will fuck them.

>>3963325
Maybe they like it.

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>>3963318
oh surely anon's being an trolling retard, theres no way that's possible....
...oh

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>>3963317
>BS2 happening in the 1980s makes the most sense, as weird as it is.
I'll be real, I really find that hard to believe. Not strictly impossible given how much bullshit already exists in the series, but really fucking hard to believe. G does not look like 1980's bongistan or anywhere in the world that I can think of to me, even giving it the benefit of the alt-history doubt. Wonderland apparently being frozen in some end of the 19th century time bubble with the poor guards looking for the missing prince (Leopold) also sticks out to me chronologically, I find it hard to believe that they're just crisis actors or looking for a prince for a full fucking century and they're all pretty recent too, we still got a live one in the Mental Ward for a bit at that.
>The cars and look of the place in G End isn't actually an issue because Red's ass was in Agartha and technology there is a recent thing when she gets there.
It is an issue in G because we're not in Agartha, we're in reality. Unless EMMM is cooking up some 5D twist about how Black Souls is taking place in a hollow fucking Earth despite TCO's bloody fall to the planet from space and the rain somehow covering the inside of a hollow Earth I really don't think it's the case. I feel like I'd sooner buy some crackass theory like >>3963318 than the 80's with the vidya references.

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>>3963314
Didn't you know that brainwashing people is bad, too? I'll never forget my buddy, the Carpenter.
>>3963315
>why did node do that to her
She didn't like hearing her loved one being insulted by some cheeky little brat.
>she angered cthulhu
So what? Cthulhu is weaker than Nodens. What the fuck is that octopus gonna do?

>>3963325
>that scene did make me dislike node though
It's supposed to. Node is a hypocrite for most of the game and she's aware of it. She pities Grimm for being the victim of a system she helps maintain herself because she "loves" him in an entirely selfish way. She's what Prickett refuses to be and even in G End she stays somewhat neutral. It's not until the true ending that she matures as a character and accepts letting go of him.

>>3963333
DRH is absolutely going the hollow Earth way imo. We literally see the cave ceiling in what images Toro has posted. Red was not in the Dreamlands after the fall of Elysium. Weird shit being in the real world is already Mythos canon.

>>3963335
>Cthulhu is weaker than Nodens
Not in cringe garbage Derleth canon I think.

>>3963322
>after a meeting that I don't believe happened irl
Why? We're given no reason to believe that the meeting didn't actually happen based on the contents of the memory flame that I can think of, you'd just have to assume that it was one of Mary's epic Lewis trolls without any corroborating evidence for the notion.
>And a lot of fucking shit happened during the Tea Party. Enough for TCO to fall in love with Grimm, and enough for whatever Arthurian bullshit Yog got entangled with when it came to the Red Queen, and enough for Jabberwock to die there, and even more stuff that Mabel hints about and we know nothing of. There is legitimately a massive knowledge gap between the BS2 memories and Prayer Master being an idiot and the start of BS1 and there may be even more stuff in between we know nothing of given Grimm was already amnesiac when he woke up in Wonderland the first time.
I agree with pretty much all of this, but I still think you're going in the wrong direction here. I can't see the time gap between BS1 and BS2 being larger than a decade or so at most or the overall timeline of events extending much beyond that at the moment. What I think is much more pertinent is what happened beforehand. The passage of hundreds of years gets brought up on more than one occasion in both games by multiple people, with that in mind and with what DLC 3 fucks around with plotwise, personally I'd place a LOT more focus on everything surrounding the Garden of Eden/Ghouls/Milton and Hastur's bullshit and so on rather than trying to place the timeline of events ahead.

Hans and the Tin Man are mechas therefore BS1 takes place after Mazinger came out and Mary is a weeb.

>>3963344
>DRH is absolutely going the hollow Earth way imo.
I'll believe it when I see it, I get that Agartha is historically supposed to be the hollow Earth kingdom, but I feel like it could just as easily be (and likely is) just another garden, in the same way that other gardens like Elysium or Shatranj aren't literally their namesakes. We've already got Shub's K'n Yan in BS1 for the underground bingo sheet so "big ass cave" is certainly within the niggerman wheelhouse.
Anyways I need to fuck off, later.

>>3963346
Stop seething.
Top tier Elder God >>> lower tier Great Old One
Nodens is a chaotic, hunter deity residing in the Dreamlands, often opposing niggermen such as Nyarlathotep and possessing power enough to challenge cosmic beings, whereas Cthulhu is a physical jobber, dream-manipulating entity.

>>3963348

>Why?
No, it absolutely did happen in the real world in BS lore, but actual our world irl I don't think it did so we don't have a reference point for it. I know Lewis wrote to her but I'm not sure they ever saw each other again. Poor wording on my part.
>I can't see the time gap between BS1 and BS2 being larger than a decade or so
Actually, I went and checked the BS2 memories. Both Lewis's side and Alice's call her an old woman. She did not start referring to herself as Lady Hargreaves until during WW1, but that's secondary. Her son doesn't seem to be a child by how he speaks and looks after her. But Lewis did get a little weird in his letters to her when asking to get his manuscript back. I think that puts the night Mary takes him to be around when he died irl, in 1898. I do wonder if Alice was indeed taken that same night or later on in her life. Regardless you're already squarely in the 1900s when the Tea Party is happening. Then there's all of that, then however long BS1 happens for, Mary's fight with TCO which wasn't over quickly either, GG's creation, the new Wonderland being established because Node was that desperate for dick, and however long the play went on for before BS2 begins.

>>3963354
I don't think the Trial would make their base in any random garden unless it was Shub's specifically.

>>3963371
Yeah, in Lovecraft's based good kino work. Derleth's cringe garbage shits all over the canon and makes squidface the cool elemental lord of water because Derleth was a stupid idiot who contaminated Howard's work with his fanfiction.

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>>3963318
>also what the fuck, theres an actual wikipedia page now?
>>3963331
>...oh
I saw a mention to Bandy in the Lovecraft wiki at random the other day, so there's that too.
https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Yibb-Tstll

>>3963331
>an trolling retard
I don't think you have any right to call anyone else a retard btw.

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>>3963382
>bander's battle sprite and not the yibb illustration cyan yurikago made which is IN the game
a most shameful display

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>>3963337
>She pities Grimm for being the victim of a system she helps maintain
Are you fucking retarded? Node is literally scheming behind the scenes to help Grimm. If she didn't keep order and the cycle were disrupted, TCO would have noticed. She brought Red to Wonderland so she could pull Grimm out of this fucking nightmare. Node even called Red the "harbinger of awakening" or something like that.
>"loves"
Why did you use quotation marks? Node’s love isn’t superficially, she truly loves Grimm and has literally sacrificed everything for him. Possibly even her own life.
>in an entirely selfish way
Love is selfish nigga. Any normal human being will strive to be with the person they love. Node is a complex character, she wants Grimm to stay with her, but she also wants her beloved to be free and happy. She’s torn between these two feelings throughout the entire game. That’s exactly why Node decided to leave everything up to Grimm, if he chooses to stay, she’ll be happy. If Grimm leaves, she’ll accept it, because that’s what the man she loves wants. Had she been as selfish as you say, she would have actively interfered with Mabel and Prickett’s plan, and Node certainly wouldn’t have brought Red to Wonderland.
>she's what Prickett refuses to be
Pricket is a weak crybaby who would have gone crazy or even killed herself if it weren't for Node. It was only because of Node that she got off her idol ass and started thinking of a plan to actually save Grimm.