>"You're not gonna believe this bro there's ship battles in PoE now!!!">it's actually just a VN Bold choice, Obsidian.
>>3967656>VNHi I'm Josh, I like pricey n spicy prostitutes, >pineapplesIykykAnd games. They are fun. I decide that vn ship combat in an>archepialagoIs what the rpg world didn't know they needed. It's fast to code, too. After the boring classic fantasy where you end up as lord, you'll now become>a pirate:D get it? P i r a t e! Isn't that something?Yeah and btw marketing isn't so important, it's what's in the inside that counts.
>>3967656>>"You're not gonna believe this bro there's ship battles in PoE now!!!">>it's actually just a VNKinda pricey to make proper ship battles. If you tried to make something more reasonable like turn based battles, fighting on a big flat plane with no cover, elevation differences or something is extremely boring.And you can't really blame this too much on Josh. He not so subtly clarified in the post-mortem that it was Feargus Urquhart that really pushed for ship battles.
>>3967677>Feargus UrquhartUnbelievable that one of the bg brains that vn ship combat will sell his game. Meme. Is feargie the guy that kicked avellone?
>>3967677Just copy Sid Meier's Pirates. It will take a few weeks for a professional to implement a basic version of that.
>>3967677>>3967714the biggest problem is that I want to play a crpg not some naval combat arcadeI just don't need itSTOP INCLUDING GENRE UNRELATED MINIGAMESit pulls you out of experienceit's why I can't play JRPGs and why I hate playing Owlcat games
>sóyboy sawyer invents pseudo-caribbean setting to write a white guilt anti-colonialist screed>chad fergus forces him to add yaaargh piratesLowkey based
>>3967710>bg brainslol, you're a retard for mul
>>3967847Bg is a good game and was successful. If he was a leader back then he kinda contributed to it. Idk why he fucked up poe 1 and 2. Maybe he lame?
>>3967886bg was garbage. maybe you retard?
>>3967896Baldurs gate was #1 on plenty of rpg lists for like over 20 years and is still #1 on some. What exactly is your problem?
>>3967656Deadfire had a shitload of those storybook segments for whatever reason. In Owlcat games they are a nice change of pace, in PoE 2 it felt like half of locations on the map were CYOA with needlessly embellished prose. Fuck, I'd rather take shitty reused areas with single shitty encounter like in Kingmaker over that.
>>3967947It's a shame, as poe is much better looking than Pf.
>>3967656Well they wasted most of their budget on voice acting.
>>3967929no problem, just mocking a retard.
>>3968128Sorry for your bad taste in games. Guess you can continue playing firtnite. I hear they added nicking minaj. Good for you!
>>3968025Disagree. Their styles are just different.
>>3968363>styles aren't identical>hence quality isLooks like I'm talking to Mr ivy league himself, hi!
>>3968468Idiot. I was pointing out that you're conflating your personal preferences with some kind of objective metric about their quality. And you're apparently too stupid to have realized this, so you fell into your normal default of being an arrogant imbecile instead of thinking. So now you're being told in much more blunt terms that you're a fucking idiot, and a particularly insufferable one at that.
>>3968694Poe has better backgrounds than km. Screech and seethe all you like. Better vfx, too.
>>3968206lol, u retarded kids r funni.
>>3967656It's not even a VN it's more like cookie clicker once you realize you can just threaten every other ship and infinite gold.>>3967677Yes I can blame Josh because they could have been fun, how can you fuck up ship upgrades and pirate deck battles? By not finishing them that's how. We've seen how actual fun RPG ships work since Star Control II in 19 fucking 92It's just like muscle wizards and bad book to movie adaptation all these le avant garde hipster devs and directors trying to put their own mark on a work through inventing square wheels when they haven't even played enough games in the first place to understand how a proper wheel rolls.>>3967720This is somewhat correct, but also not correct if done well. The basic CRPG rules need to be observed and let you control your own character within the larger battle piece is all.>>3967730True, imagine a return to sexy fun rpgs without self hating leftists.
>>3968977>It's just like muscle wizards and bad book to movie adaptation all these le avant garde hipster devs and directors trying to put their own mark on a work through inventing square wheels when they haven't even played enough games in the first place to understand how a proper wheel rolls.You are suffering a serious misunderstanding, anon. They're not trying to invent any kind of fucking wheel. They do not fucking care about wheels. They only care about getting your money. Whatever facsimile or mirage they need to convince you to give them money, that's what they'll show you. None of it's real. They aren't trying to make art. If you perceive art in their efforts, it only exists in your mind.They're not making games so you can have fun. They're making games so you will give them money, and whatever the bare basic legal minimum is required of them to get that money from you, that's all they care about.
>>3967730It wasn't really white guilt though. The native culture was pretty brutally critiqued in the game, you know. Like, it was the majority of the plot was how fucking wrong and grotesque the islanders' way of life was. They're constantly, constantly shown to be corrupt, selfish, hateful, ignorant and backwards. There literally are no interactions in the game with them that doesn't highlight their flaws somehow.Similarly, there are no interactions with any of the colonial powers that doesn't directly highlight various ways in which their exploitation of the natives and the islands isn't somehow beneficial, necessary or rational. Yes, the colonialists are also shown to be selfish or cruel. That's the point.The game isn't saying "colonialism bad!", nor is it saying "colonialism good!" It's just presenting the situation realistically. There are only people doing whatever people do with the means available to them, including the influences of the culture they grew up in and the limitations of their technologies, etc.This is the entire reason you keep having conversations with the gods, especially Wodica when she pops up. She's got this notion that mortals are worthless and stupid and always do the wrong thing (according to her concept of what's "wrong", which mostly just means that they want to control their own destinies, and she doesn't like that). You have the opportunity in those conversations to seriously think about what's going on and push back on her egotism by telling her that mortals are not good or evil. They're just not perfect because perfect isn't real or possible.That's the primary motif of the entire story is that colonialism was not good or bad, it just was.
>>3969028>she doesn't like thatDoesn't she says it's pointless as gods could lead to higher goals? Iirc I agreed with her on got special dialogue as I always bashed her in the two games and she's like now you agree?
>>3967710>>3967677He probably didn't envision that the combat interface would look like a shitty cheap excuse from a 2003 html game or a gacha. Not even a view of the ships like in >>3967677The book adventuer screens already screamed "I don't have the money or will to make this properly, here's a cheap trick instead", but trying to push it further and replace combat with that was of course a failure.I always board just so that I don't have to seal with that screen.
>>3967720this includes fortress and any management stuff, which was horribly done in PoE.()
>>3968025it has nice style, figures thed to look a bit meh, but there is a weird clash because the background is a prerendered texture and they didn't bother rendering it in decent resolution.
>>3969337>"I don't have the money or will to make this properly, here's a cheap trick insteadGames nowadays are artificially pronged. Well, this stunt cost them dearly, yet>they fail to learn anything x4
>>3969340>didn't bother rendering it in decent resolution.That's fucked up ngl. Backgrounds are beautiful. AFAIK some based russkie used them to integrate nwn main campaign into bg2.
I didnt like PoE1, will I like this one more?
>>3972509If you liked the gameplay of pillars but hated wordswordswords then yes, if you disliked Pillars for the gameplay then no
>>3972509Deadfire .... is not really very much like PoE1. There's superficial similarities, like the chanter and cipher classes are still similar to their original versions. But overhaul on class mechanics and just general gameplay is so complete, I don't think it'd be fair to compare them.And it's not just mechanics, it's tone and quality of writing, too. PoE1 could feel like a high schooler padding an essay, and just a lot of bullshit melodrama with amateurish pseudo-archaic verbiage. PoE2 is a true modern RPG with modern quality of life but also professional writing standards. Dialogues are clear, rather than intentionally obfuscated (fucking HATED Durance...) and the political situations are not just pointless bullshit: you have clear reasons to care about who you ally with or against.The basic gameplay experience of managing a party of adventurers, navigating environments and dungeons and dealing with locks and traps and tactical combat, that's still here. It's a cRPG in the Western tradition. It's a modern BG2 with far - FAR - better balanced classes and mechanics. If you like western rpgs, Deadfire is one the absolute best. If you don't like western rpgs, then like... why are you here asking about one?
>>3972534>Professional Writing Standards in Deadfirelol, lmao even. You're welcome to your opinions of course but I can't even begin to comprehend how bad I consider this take. Fair point on political situation, even if it's largely pointless it at least feels more organic and reasonable than whatever happened in 1. Too bad not a single companion is on par with the same depth and intrigue you get from characters like Durance, GM, Aloth in 1. Everyone is either a bumbling fool or a shifty jew with no insight
>>3967656>ship battles are the same brawls over and over again>fights generally are uninteresting>A 2 B back and forth quests>Yapping largely irrelevant outside of finally picking a lukewarm faction to side withIt's not a good game, but it was better than the first at least.
>>3972563Nobody cares.
>>3972680The first part of poe1 and some quests were good. Game as whole was bad, due to idiotic design choices like soul reading and backer content.
Each attempt Obsidian makes to create their own universe rather than simply deconstruct a setting made by others, has been more disastrous than the last. Aside from the outdated gameplay and lifeless cities, Pillars of Eternity's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of combat mechanics, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.Perhaps the die was cast when Sawyer vetoed the idea of making anything at all innovative or original; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable nostalgia pandering to ageing Baldur's Gate fans. Pillars of Eternity might be anti-casual(or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Divinity series in its refusal of spontaneity, fun and excitement.>a-at least the writing was good though"No!"The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.Later I read a lavish, loving review of Pillars of Eternity by the same David Gaider. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kiddies are playing Obsidian games at 17 or 18, then when they get older they will go on to enjoy Dragon Age II." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Pillars of Eternity" you are, in fact, trained to shill for Bioware.
>>3973152If the lore would at least be great
>>3972534>PoE2 is a true modern RPG with modern qualityNo, lol, heck even lmao
>>3973152>obsessing over a game you don't particularly like for over 6 yearsis that what life is to you?also your writing is terribleyou jump from point to another without substantiating most of themand when you do you go full retard like claiming you expect >resembling actual human conversationfrom good writing
>>3973133retard
>>3967730Aren't the colonists all black or blue?
>>3973833>he doesn't recognize the Rowling pasta edit
>>3969338Yea, fortress management in PoE sucks. They really liked the De'Arnise Keep from BG2, and decided to expand it into a management minigame, despite most people only going through that quest for the loot, rather than the idea of having some sort of "base of operations".
>>3976153>it's like a total reference like taht joke on reddit ^_^ LOLno, I don'tand I don't care that I don'tand I think your posts are boring and only contribute to decline of signal/noise ratio
>>3972534>>3972514Thanks for the heads up, I'll probably pick up PoE2 one of these days. I really felt the writing in PoE1 was shit, despite how heavily glazed it is on here & Plebbit.
>>3976199getting people react to a copypasta is the joke of a copypasta.>decline of signal/noise ratiolol, copypastas aren't even remotely impacting that, noisy-kun
