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Post fangames you're making. Post fangames your'e not making. Post fangames.
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>>3996741
Friendly reminder to STOP COMING TO /v/ to spam your weekly raid threads.
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>>3996742
>ignores the 57 other "raid" threads on /v/ that meet his arbitrary criteria
I'm nooticing
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What are your opinions on doing writer self-inserts in a story/game?
Do you like/hate it? How would you go around by doing it? Is it okay to feature a Character based on your life experiences, or is it too self-inserty? Would you do it in your fangame/game? Share your thoughts
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>>3996753
If the character is well made enough and fits the setting so well where people can't immediately tell it is your self insert, I say it is fine
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>>3996741
Didn't get a chance to say thanks to the anons who gave some recs. Thread got archived. So thanks. Downloaded DTY and Naranja. Gonna take a look in a sec.
Anything else to recommend or have I already received my daily allotment of spoonfeeding?
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>>3996761
Those two are pretty much the only games from here that have some content in them, unless you are looking for other fangame recommendations from gamejolt
If so it depends if you want full fangames or single battle ones
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>>3996761
Check out Deltarune SOULblazers as well, if you want more mantle type gameplay.
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>>3996753
>>3996754

Do you prefer self-inserts that stay purely as an easter egg (Annoying dog), or the ones that play a role in the story (Kris)
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>>3996762
Let me level with you. When I asked for recommendations originally. I wasn't even sure if this thread had any fangames of their own.
I just wanted to play some fangames. And was curious what everyone here liked, or thought worth having an opinion on, good or bad.
>>3996765
I'll take a look. I had Dragon Blazers stuck in my head for a while before Chapter 3 came out, trying to figure out how it connected to everything.
And then Chapter 3 came out and well.
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>>3996753
I think its good to base characters off of your own experience. You just need to remember that these are characters, and not you. You have to be able to paint them in unfavorable lights if the narrative calls for it, and you need to be able to hurt them as well. I think if you've written your story well, both you and the reader should be able (key word is able, not required to) self insert into basically any of the characters purely through human empathy alone. That is unless you're intentionally trying to make the character alien or unsympathetic.

That said, I think most of the time having a character that is a self insert, or doing it so much with a particular character is a bad move. It drags down the story and ruins the readers enjoyment. You can self insert a little in every character, just make sure they're still distinct enough from you that no one thinks they're just you wearing a wig.

The sole exception to this is gags in visual mediums. Putting yourself or your self insert in the backgroung as a gag is generally fine as long as it doesn't go beyond a gag or cameo in importance. Like Toriyama occasionally having his little robot guy appear in crowds. In the case of Undertale, I think copying Toby's white dog is a little tactless. It looks too much like putting yourself in his place. Have your own character doing its own thing. And of course, don't make it important.
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>>3996753
>What are your opinions on doing writer self-inserts in a story/game?
I think its fine as long as its not overdone, sometimes they make it too obvious how much a character is a self insert.
>Is it okay to feature a Character based on your life experiences, or is it too self-inserty?
This is something all authors do to a certain extent, its normal to want to include characters with stories that resonate with yours, writers write what they know, and naturally they know a lot about themselves, I think it would only be a problem if the character has exactly the same story as the author and not something inspired by it, that's when it starts to feel to much like a self insert fantasy.
>Would you do it in your fangame/game?
Already did.
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>>3996761
If you like VNs, Childhood's End is pretty good. Its not very long though. Mantle NES is also pretty neat.
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>>3996775
The fangame doesn't have anything to do with dragon blazers, though? We still don't know how would it look.

Mantle is not actually supposed to be dragon blazers, as far as I can remember. And Dragon blazers is just an allegory for Deltarune, I don't think it goes any deeper than that.
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>>3996775
>>3996761
Okay so here are some of (IMO) best fangames currently out there:
>Scampton the Great (single fight spamtom AU)
>One Hell of a Show (single fight mettaton AU)
>TS!Underswap (swap AU, has 2 big segments so far, well polished)
>The Upper Hand (single fight DR battle, from same guy that made scampton)

Games that have demos that I think are good/have potential:
>UT Wildfire (only has a combat demo with a single fight and a few screens)
>UT promise (blue soul fangame, set before the events of UTY)
>Cooking with Kindness (green fangame with cooking mechanics)
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>>3996775
If you want to play some laughably bad garbage, you can check out Undertale Green (the one with the blond kid named Cody) and Deltatraveler (the old version before they walked back section 3). Those are both really bad in a funny way. The gameplay is actually alright in Deltatraveler and it has good music, but the writing is genuinely some of the worst I've seen.


If you only want good games, there's Undertale Wildfire, which has a two fight combat demo out, and Undertale Red, which is one of the first Undertale fangames ever made, and is also really good (don't confuse it with Red and Yellow, which is a different thing, and not very good)
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>>3996784
Oh also these that I just remembered:
>A different Snowgrave (single fight noelle vs giga spamton)
>DR Frostveil (potential chapter 5 weird route)
>Lost Deltarune (creepypasta like DR world post roaring, has jumpscares)
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>>3996782
>>3996784
>>3996785
>>3996786
Alright. Alright. Thank you all. I've got a lot to play now.
>>3996783
>And Dragon blazers is just an allegory for Deltarune, I don't think it goes any deeper than that.
Ya think? I know that Dragon Blazers isn't meant to be Mantle since DB is probably turn based. There's some interesting things that line up. Like the ice maze that requires a specific party member.
Maybe it was just hints for chapter 3 and won't go any deeper than that. Just have to see.
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>>3996761
If you don't mind things that aren't full-sized games, Undertale RED was the progenitor of fanmade Undertale fights, to the point the dev now works on Deltarune. Underfell: One Hell of a Show is a great two-battle fangame, feels exactly like a slice of a full game. A Different Snowgrave by the same dev is also pretty good. Lost Deltarune is very...unique. It's like a creepypasta. This one is basically CORE-sized.
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>>3996793
>to the point the dev now works on Deltarune.
You can actually see some reused fights from it in Deltarune. Like the Knight's attacks.
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>>3996798
*some reused attacks
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>>3996798
>>3996808
Makes sense Toby would ask a fangame dev to make the knight's moves, they are what you would expect in the dime and dozen fangames with "le hard" moveset
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Yeah super sense shop
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>>3996809
>tfw the chapter 5 shadow crystal boss says "ayuda por favor"
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>>3996813
The chapter 5 secret boss will be made by DRY1 trust the plan
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>>3996813
>Like, uh, hey, maybe things took a last breath right now...
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>>3996818
>sorry kid, my brother suddenly cancelled our plans. he says he "knows what you did", and that he's in Disbelief™ over it. dunno what that means, but yeah. don't come to my house again.
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>>3996815
the full screen attack will be a 10 minute make out scene with Cole and Kanako
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>>3996821
Unfortunately after Toby recognized DRY as canon he made some changes to the story so it would be in line with his vision™.

Kanako is now a lesbian, Chujin and Roba are divorced, Gizmo is non-binary and Mo "befriends" Ceroba in chapter 3.

You can only date kanako on le hecking problematic evil route, so this will be exclusive to you're firegraves (laughs).
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>>3996744
/v/ hates it when people actually talk about videogames
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>>3996823
fuuuuuuck moroba I'm GOONING AUUUPPPAAAAUPOOUGHH
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>>3996823
thanks I hate it.
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>>3996833
Toby...
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>>3996823
>Moroba
We finally came up with a plausible ship more unappealing than corn yaoi, thank you
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>>3996839
you know, I had to think for a moment at those words, because Corn yaoi really just makes no sense, and there's no dynamic with the characters.

But honestly I think Roba would actively dislike Mo so yeah it's honestly bad from start to finish. She doesn't seem to have patience for things like shenanigans (her issues with Starlos stage persona, her anger at the steamworks computer). Mo would genuinely piss her off.

I feel like it would be even worse than Martlet x Ceroba which would be bad, but this is just worse. Maybe Ceroba x toriel tier bad.
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>>3996839
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>>3996841
what a terrible night to have eyes.
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>>3996840
martroba and toroba are purely goon factor with no chemistry, that being that I understand the appeal of smug milf on younger flustered lady
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Is it the right time for a thread?
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>>3996843
>that being that I understand the appeal of smug milf on younger flustered lady
yeah I wont begrudge someone their smut, I just personally have a harder time getting off on it if the dynamic is actively bad between the characters. Even a neutral dynamic like an OC/selfinsert x character is easier for me to get behind for those purposes because the characters don't come across to me as actively wanting to kill each other. Beyond just not being into yuri myself, but I can conceptually get why the
>smug milf on younger flustered lady
would be hot to someone.
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Thread

Bird
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>>3996846
Can't find it.
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>>3996846
did it already get deleted? i cant find anything.
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>>3996851
>>3996853
vidya
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>>3996854
well it looks like you made it too stealthy, anon. its been overtaken by actual discussion.
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>>3996855
maybe someone should make another
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>>3996855
I don't know why but OPs here don't understand subtlety and they're either too stealthy or too obvious
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>>3996855
Its got hardly any posts and half of those are me engaging with the conversation.
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>>3996860
so in other words you forced your stealth thread into being directly related to the topic.
i would make a proper thread but i did get a one day a few days ago and im not aiming to upgrade that to a three day ban.
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>>3996860
>>3996855
>>3996859
Just use it, its fine. I think the main issue is just how small the relevant part of the image is. Makes it hard to find on the catalog.
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>>3996861
No, i simply got the thread bumped a few times. The rain thread worked the other day after all, and the threads conversation is still very relevant.
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>>3996841
Oh no, this physically hurts
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>>3996864
Yeah sorry, I've been on thread making duty a lot and picked the first image that felt right. I'm sure I'll have to make another later anyways.

I figured conceptually its on topic enough to what we like discussing vidya wise.
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>>3996753
>What are your opinions on doing writer self-inserts in a story/game? Do you like/hate it?
It's dangerous and can come off as author wankery, but it can be pulled off.

It works for the Annoying Dog, but it got annoying real fast for DR Gerson.

>Is it okay to feature a Character based on your life experiences, or is it too self-inserty?
That's the most valuable situation to do it, for example, if you wanna have a character that has the same job as you.

>How would you go around by doing it?
Minor joke character like the Annoying Dog, or moderate self-mockery.

>Would you do it in your fangame/game?
I plan to have one character like that in my story.
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>>3996864
>>3996865
the problem with making the stealth topic too broad is that you are going to piss people off when it turns out that the thread is a stealth thread.
you need the topic to still relate to our stuff but have absolutely zero fucking interest in it.
for example,
>unreleased games about extinct birds?
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>>3996871
We're generally pretty good about entertaining the original topic while still talking about our stuff.
And again, after making 30 threads, I start to have to reach a bit for ideas.
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>>3996874
just repost one that worked, mods already let people infinitely repost the same threads day in and day out anyway
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>>3996871
yeah, Racter feels too forced into the current thread, I think this one was too stealthy
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>>3996880
I think you're making up an issue that has never been a concern in our threads before. We have had much less solid connections between topic and discussions than this one before.
>>3996879
I've done that and had threads deleted that weren't before. I'll try something different for next thread but it's really not a big deal.
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the goyellow know
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Where's the thread?
I heard it has to do with a bird, but I'm not seeing any.
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>>3996896
>>3996854
sorry but things were made vague due to the recent anti video game behavior.
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DRYanon2 here.
i have a bit of a problem that i want some feedback on.
i simply do not have enough vertical room for the dark world pause screen
>top bar needs to remain its current width. the idea is "justice soul can see the stats directly", derived from UTY showing actual monster stats going off of "narrative" ones. so i need a little bit of extra space for weapon/equip stats in item descriptions, forcing the need for a third line.
>the equip box cant be shrunk because of the fourth equip item (+7th stat line because of it). i have too many plans for this slot to simply drop it over some UI issues.
>the bottom bar needs to be able to fit four characters. but this results in less horizontal room for character reactions to items/equips, so two lines are needed there, and i already need a bit for the power stat
>reason why i want power is as a standin for LV/EXP in the dark world. yes this is important, and it works best right there
so now im here.
i need a way to be able to cram everything in.
i have a few ideas, mostly revolving around moving the character reactions.
(also ignore the text going out of the box for now, that just from me fixing the font size.)
1/2
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>>3996882
Nta, but the thread is too stealthy. We may as well roll with it though, since its already there, just try to make it a bit more obvious next time.
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>>3996901
>1: character reactions are a popup on the left side of the screen
>pro: can have ordered reactions, so for example when sadie is given an item/equipment, her reaction will be the first and others will be below.
>con: this is a pretty large deviance from the base UI, and im already doing a lot different. dont want to push it too far.
>2: character reactions are a popup above their info on the bottom bar
>pro: this deviates a less than #1, even if only a little bit.
>con: this covers up a significant functional portion of the equip box, waiting for the popups to go away could seriously slow you down. this also overlaps with where the heal amount popup is.
>3: character reactions replace HP/power while present
>pro: deviates the least of the these three
>con: this overwrites HP and power, so you cant see the immediate change to HP/power from healing or equipping an item. personally this alone makes this a non option, but i still want to hear your opinions.
>4: bite the bullet, shrink the top bar and remove stats from item descriptions so that i dont need three lines and can expand the bottom bar
>pro: closest to base deltarune out of all options
>con: i really want stats to be in item descriptions for thematic reasons, and aside from that the top bar is currently as big as it is in DR
of course if you guys have other ideas i'd be happy to hea them too.
personally, i'd prefer the first one. even without the need to fit everything in its an idea i like on its own, deltarune is rather limited in equip/heal reactions because you're only working with susie/ralsei or noelle.
but with an upper limit of four characters and cole speaking there's a lot more i can do with this bit of flavor text
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>>3996902
like I said in that post, I'll try something different next time, but I'm fighting against threads that worked before being deleted.
sometimes broad topics that encourage other types of discussion get allowed when other kinds don't. Jannies are genuinely being unreasonable right now, allowing spam of every kind, but not the occasional on topic discussion.
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>>3996904
>>3996901
maybe add the character dialogue as a temp speech bubble above the portrait? though that would cover the menu while its visible, same with just replacing the entire menu with the dialogue (cant see the hp until its gone)
maybe just hide the HP bar and POWER while the text is visible (assuming it isnt absolutely important to be visible at all times)?
for the equip names not fitting the box you could reduce the font size a bit but that can cause crunched out text, alternatively use a separated string entry for the menu specifically (something like that is done in DRY1) with shortened equip names (example: rubber revolver would be "rubber rvlver")
also I feel the top bar could be a bit shorter, I remember you showing it can fit 3 lines of text even when 2 are used, so you can remove some space there
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>>3996907
i would like to stay away from speech bubble popups above the bottom bar and covering up HP/power, im considering "functional" parts of the UI to be
>stat numbers
>HP/power
>equipped items
>inventory equipment
stats and power because they can change while moving equipment around, and hp because it changes with items are used.
im considering actually seeing these these change to be important, covering them up and only seeing the changed stats after is a no go.
and then for equipment, so that you're not trying to work through items that have been covered up.
>for the equip names not fitting the box you could reduce the font size a bit but that can cause crunched out text, alternatively use a separated string entry for the menu specifically (something like that is done in DRY1) with shortened equip names (example: rubber revolver would be "rubber rvlver")
yeah its an easy fix, just not the most important thing right now.
>also I feel the top bar could be a bit shorter, I remember you showing it can fit 3 lines of text even when 2 are used, so you can remove some space there
im already crunched for space as is. i need to be careful about putting certain characters in the same vertical space.
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>>3996913
and someone asked for a mockup in the /v/ thread so here's a shitty ms paint mockup one of the two popup ideas.
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>>3996753
They're great and can make writing easier. The main pitfall is to not make your character a Mary Sue. The Divine Comedy is basically fanfiction with a self-insert but it works because Dante is a passive observer while Vergil does all the heroic deeds in that work. Usually though I would prefer to write a character who represents a fragment of my life experiences or outlooks, and give him additional attributes I don't have.
>>3996841
I'm concerned that someone came up with the idea before that shitpost.
>>3996871
I wrote a couple of threads with broad appeal and they turned out pretty well. UTY content can coexist with fangames from other genres, or other games in general.
>>3996901
That's the trouble with busy UIs. I think a combination of #2 and #3 is best, with a reaction popping up that has different font/size and a shadow, and which fades out after a second or two.
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TS!Underswap update post, the project is not dead, team is being restructured
https://gamejolt.com/p/some-changes-going-forward-wbuyzqrv
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>>3996901
Nix the CHAR box and draw the heads down here when the menu is up, don't need two portraits per character
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>>3996943
huh, well it's good to see them soldiering on.
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>>3996945
good idea, and if i split the equip effects into its own 2x2 "effect" box at the bottom i could trim the equipment box down a lot and bring the bottom bar back up enough to have character comments below
my one concern is with how this "flows"
with base deltarune its a pretty simple
>top bar > char box > equip box > weapon box
the soul doesnt jump too far with each one.
with that however, the soul goes from the top of the screen all the way down to the bottom and then back to the top.
additionally, i'd need to do the same to the stat box. not really a concern but just something to point out.
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>>3996955
If I may dust off an old shitpost, you could draw a trail between the soul's current and former location
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>>3996967
the dewrito souls menu movement looks so crisp
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>>3996967
well, that works for the dorito shitpost game because its already extremely shitposty, it'd look incredibly out of place in deltarune.
if anything it'd only accentuate that the soul's just flying all over the screen.
but i do have an idea, i could move the char box to the top bar, then simply move it out of the way when moving onto items.
yeah it keeps two portraits but it solves the "ping pong soul" problem.
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>>3996971
naranja actually made the soul interpolate smoothly between menus instead of it being instant and it works most of the time, though it does feel a bit weird at first
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I haven't really thought about it but considering how Starlo is the mayor in DRY, it's really funny seeing how much of a direct opposite he is to Carol Holiday.
>Westaboo vs. Weaboo
>Warm color palette with round edges vs cold colors with sharp edges
>Proud Chuuni vs. Repressed Chuuni
>Associated with stars & fire vs. snowflakes & ice
Unrelated but I wonder what his last name would be if he had one. Starlo Asterim?
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>>3996979
I always figured his lastname would be sunnyside because of the sunnyside farms his family owns. It's not a given because farms and ranches aren't always named after family names, but it is a common practice.
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>>3996979
what's a chuuni?
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>>3996992
look up the definition of chuunibyou
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>>3996979
He is also much more whimsical compared to Carol. At least the two of them seem pretty good at their jobs. Neither wastes money, but Starlo has water stockpiled for some hypothetical drought, while Carol has a doomsday bunker.
>Unrelated but I wonder what his last name would be if he had one. Starlo Asterim?
My headcanon is Stern, because it means star in German and farmers who went to the west/midwest in America were heavily German. It's the same reason I headcanon Martlet as having French ancestry.
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while I can't get behind marty having an english accent with the way she speaks the idea of her saying "clow-vuh" is very cute
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this 740563573 (yes, intentionally not crosslinked) is one of the many reasons why we should avoid making the thread subject too broad.
that faggot is one of the main reasons its impossible to use the dev threads in /v/ and /vg/.
if he latches onto ours its fucking OVER
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>>3997022
Qrd?
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>>3997022
literally all it takes is not responding to him. Most everyone knows that he just likes shitting on other devs.

this thread was a pretty good one, though I'm sorry that I went way off on the tangent of talking about DBZ at bump limit.
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>>3997022
>I bet I know who that is
>click it
>it's him
I wouldn't even give him attention by calling this out
>>3997023
Just a giga-giga-giga-autist who spams his terrible project while shitting on other projects. Never give them attention
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>>3997023
he has an extreme ego over his barafag "game" (doesnt exist) that looks like the 3d version of the ms paint circle tool and will lord himself over every other devanon because he just thinks that highly of himself, ontop of spamming his shit nonstop if you give him attention.
i know we just had conversations last thread that were dooming about these threads but if anyone gives him the slightest bit of attention its genuinely over.
>>3997024
yes but the problem is that some people genuinely cannot help themselves.
all it takes is one retard replying to him for a doomsday scenario, fuck even saying his name here isnt safe
we NEED stricter /v/ OPs people people like that are a fucking landmine that some people are eager to step on.
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So, are we doing another thread tomorrow to make up for what we lost, or is this just the one this time?
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>>3997028
oh. THAT guy.
>we NEED stricter /v/ OPs people people like that are a fucking landmine that some people are eager to step on.
gonna have to wait until Deltarune swings back into being a "cultural phenomenon" and the Banny Janny either copes about it or gets overrun with the inevitable threads. For now though, just pretend it didn't happen. wouldn't have noticed if you didn't point it out desu
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>>3997028
NTA, but can we get a sitrep on this guy?
I think I've heard of him before, but I've never seen him directly until these posts pointed him out.
What threads does he usually hang out in, how should we avoid making our threads look like those?
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>>3997031
I would want one, this one was underwhelming. 500 posts and only half of them were about Undertale, barely any images, basically no UTY discussion.
We're at a point where /vrpg/ threads have turned into /v/ and /v/ threads have turned into /vrpg/.
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>>3997031
I think we should.
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>>3997033
The game dev threads. He probably mistook our thread for one of them since they also have to do the "stealth op because janny is a faggot" thing. Just generally try to make it more specific than gamedev as a whole.
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>>>/v/740554917

Quetzali cuddles...
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>>3997033
like the other guy said, he just hounds general gamedev threads. not much to do except not feed it or be more precise about the topic. and well, banny janny has it out for the threads. probably reads here too if yellow threads keep getting sniped
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>>3997033
nta
just a really egocentric guy that shitposts in game dev threads about the game he's been working on for many years no, and talks shit about other peoples projects.
The /v/ gamedev threads manage to survive just fine despite this because realistically every thread has it's trolls and shitposters.
That guy, if it was really even him, posted and was ignored, and honestly if it was really him, I don't think he would have just posted once.
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>>3997033
any gamedev thread in general.
just stick with the fangame/fancontent approach and he'll ignore us.
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>>3997042
Yeah, but then we're just stuck trying to avoid the janny purging things still.
Rock and a hard place, seems like.
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>>3997044
i would much rather take five deleted threads than risk HIM latching onto them.
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>>3997046
I'm not arguing with that, I'm just saying it puts us in an awkward position to try and deal with.
So, how do we avoid both whoever this guy is *and* the janny?
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>>3997037
you are welcome to make the threads too you know. I make the threads because a lot of times no one steps up and just asks "thread?" and after making like 30 threads I've gotten warned but not banned (because janitors can't hand out bans). It's really off the whims of the janitors. When they aren't acting like tools that hate video games, I include "undertale yellow" or "uty fangames" in the subject, otherwise I get creative the more and more they delete.

either way, I'll try to change my wording for the next thread but this guy is no Lanced jack, and we had a great discussion today.
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>>3997048
NTA, but I remember once I made the thread two times in a row and actually did get three-day'd, so I think it varies.
I try and pitch in every now and then, but I don't like to risk not being able to actually post in the threads like that.
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>>3997047
we just keep on keeping on. We've got dedicated trolls already, someone literally spend a weekend making threads for the sake of getting our threads deleted. I'm willing to start my first threads of the weekend as being a little less stealthy (assuming I don't get banned for talking about video games which isn't against the rules), but I will react accordingly because no one wants to start up conversation after 8 threads have been scrunched.
>>3997049
generally means that a mod stepped in, and mods are usually too busy jacking themselves off to have prevented this site from getting to this point in the first place.
Unless they've changed the power structure, and with all the hacks and so on, I doubt it.
that said, I'm not asking anyone to get banned, but it really feels like we're getting hit with doomposting over a shitposter that's past his prime, when I'm doing my best to get some threads off the ground here.
Sorry the thread was overly vague, and I'm sorry that some people wanted more of this or the other discussions, but I do think we get some good will at least from people who come in, share there stuff with us and just want to join the discussion to see what we're all about.

Also for the people wanting to talk about yellow more specifically, post about it. I try to start conversations about it but I can only do so much if I'm either not responded to or you don't have a conversation topic for me to bounce off of, not that I didn't enjoy talking about Naranja and oldentale.

I also know that some jannies don't have a problem with our threads, because they'll camp threads to delete certain shitposts while leaving the thread up, so it's really a mixed bag

Either way, video game discussion like that is good for this site, shame there isnt more of it.
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>>3997038
I am surprised that nobody have thought of cuddling with Quetzali until now.
It is the perfect combination of the coiling ability of the snakes plus the softness of her feathers
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>>3997053
Naranjanon blessed us with this image. Now I realize that Quetzali is built for falling asleep in warmth and comfort with.
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>>3997053
People have, this isn't the first time it's been brought up actually.
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>>3997056
What? When?
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>>3997057
Like a month or so ago, the idea of Quetzali constricting someone to cuddle them was discussed.
I could go find it in the archives, give me a sec.
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>>3997059
nta, but while I'm not really into the idea of the constricting at face value, there could be something nice to this.
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>>3997053
I have thought about it a lot. Thought about her wrapping around me while we sleep, holding her body while her face presses up against mine, running my fingers through her hair, and of course kissing her.
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>>3997057
Closer to two months ago actually, when discussing her normal form and her snake form.
I liked that discussion of it better, the one from the recent thread started with all that dreadful agency denial business, not a fan of that.
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>>3997053
I have thought a lot about how Quetzali would have the best head game of any monster girl to ever live. Snakes are great are sucking and swallowing long objects. Imagine her wrapping herself around your leg so she can get good purchase to go to town and hole in the space station window tier vacuum suction.
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>>3997059
Nta, checked the archives for both v and vrpg
>cuddle, cuddling, hug, hugging, coil, coiling, embrace, constrict
No posts aside from the one discussed in the last thread
>constricting
Only 1 mention, when she was first introduced. Only thing related to that is "Constricting sounds like fun" and doesn't elaborate any further
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>>3997063
>quetzali has the ultimate power of suction
>Ceroba has rough textured tongue for a unique experience
>Martlet beakjobs where her beak is more sensitive than most parts of a persons body
truly the wonders of monsterkind know no limits.
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>>3997065
I literally posted a screenshot from a thread discussing the idea from April, use your eyes.
Here's the thread I'm referring to, if you don't believe me for some reason.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737257979/#q737266482
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>>3997067
I didn't see your post at that time yet...

Congratulations anon, you recieve the first quetzali cuddling post award
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>>3997065
*not first introduced, mistake. It was in April 2026
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>>3997068
>I didn't see your post at that time yet...
Never contradict me again or prepare to be destroyed.
Anyway, I don't actually care about Quetzali too much, I just want the facts straight.
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>>3997070
What are you going to do? Lock me in a CBT dungeon?
And I never even contradicted you, I even mentioned one of your posts that I found by a key word
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>>3997072
Oh, well, whichever anon who said there weren't any posts about the topic outside of the previous thread, he's the intended target of my infinite fury.
>What are you going to do? Lock me in a CBT dungeon?
...Do you want that?
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Something unique I've learned about fox paws, is that the pads are actually covered over by more of their fur, which might involve some unique textures of it's own.
>>3997070
>Anyway, I don't actually care about Quetzali too much, I just want the facts straight.
the wonders of autism as well!
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>>3997073
>infinite fury
You are not the Roba

>...Do you want that?
If you try to betray and trap me in a non-hyperbolical CBT chamber I will KINDly genoslide you're scrimblos (Codester styler)
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>>3997074
>the wonders of autism as well!
Information is important.
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>>3997076
>You are not the Roba
And yet my rage persists.
>If you try to betray and trap me in a non-hyperbolical CBT chamber I will KINDly genoslide you're scrimblos (Codester styler)
Well now it just sounds like you *want* me to trap you in a hyperbolic CBT chamber, so you can go through a whole year's worth of sounding in one day.
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>>3997080
If you do that I will utilize my going into games machine to take quetzali so she constricts you and then betrays and traps you into an OOB hyperbolic time chamber
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>>3997081
Eh, pretty sure I could kill her if I had to.
Damage scales on intent, and I have no love for her to hold me back.
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Put me in the OOB area with Quetzali and it'll become the hyperbolic sex chamber
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>>3997081
>she constricts you
Heh, we'll see about that.
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>>3997082
>Eh, pretty sure I could ki

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/ZqEoYHw6YdY
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>>3997084
Well, in that case she conscripts you instead
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>>3997086
She's a monster, not a normal snake, she is subject to the terrible balancing of UT's world.
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>>3997088
But she is also much bigger than any normal snake and can fly as well
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>>3997089
Well that's not going to help her, that just gives her a bigger hitbox.
If the average kid in the UT world can take on monsters like we see them do, I think I'll be fine.
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>>3997086
>Oxygen deprivatiion
I just had a horrible idea. Quetzali helps you with auto erotic masturbation.
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>>3997092
>A-am I doing this right?
>Hello?
>oh god he's unconscious
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Anyone know a good way to consistently, and smoothly, scale a sprite?
I'm trying to resize some facesprites for a thing, and MSPaint's being uncooperative.
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>>3997094
I would like to know as well. I tried scaling something for a shitpost earlier and it got fucking butchered.
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>>3997094
use a proper program for raster editing like krita, aseprite, gimp or photoshop
just remember to turn off anti aliasing on the scaling tool
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>>3997087
>Quetzali is the one who conscripted racter
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>>3997096
>just remember to turn off anti aliasing on the scaling tool
Didn't know you could do that in Krita, guess I'll look into it.
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>>3997099
for krita you should always have the tool settings widget on because it has a lot of useful things, including changed anti aliasing/smoothing mode for many tools
set it to "nearest" and it will be using raw pixels
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>>3997090
You don't have the luxury of saves like they do
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>>3997101
Not about saves, it's about strength.
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>>3997100
Yeah, looks like that worked, just about.
Thanks.
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>>3997102
Average kid In UT died like a thousand times
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>>3997104
I didn't.
I'm built different.
'Sides, the monsters did terribly in the war, apparently not even being able to take a single soul, so I think my odds are decent against a monster that isn't even a soldier.
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Is the other thread still going or did it get kill?
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>>3997107
thread reached bump limit and fell off the board around an hour ish ago. We may do another thread tomorrow.
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>>3997107
Died a natural death, past the bump limit.
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>>3997106
>he believes into monster propaganda
If no human has died in the war then how come they know that monsters can absorb human souls?

What's really hoing to happen is Quetzali is going to do a backwards long jump, clip through the wall and fly into you at the speed of 100 km/h, knocking you out instantly. You won't even get a chance to react
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>>3997110
>What's really hoing to happen is Quetzali is going to do a backwards long jump, clip through the wall and fly into you at the speed of 100 km/h, knocking you out instantly.
alright nta but hear me out.
if it's going that way, she's also knocking herself the fuck out. I'm liable to believe that she wasn't even trying to hit anon, and she just happened to be flying through the air at that time.

That feels like the kind of thing that could happen to a monster for some reason.
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>>3997108
>>3997109
Ah, aight. I was about to try and look for it but that explains it then. Anything noteworthy that happened in there? Saw the Quetzaly coil, that was cute.
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>>3997112
mostly just chill conversation and some quetzali sprites.
good amount of the conversation was naranja based this time around.
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>>3997110
>If no human has died in the war then how come they know that monsters can absorb human souls?
Human could've died naturally and had a monster absorb the soul after, easy.
>What's really hoing to happen is Quetzali is going to do a backwards long jump, clip through the wall and fly into you at the speed of 100 km/h, knocking you out instantly. You won't even get a chance to react
Jokes on her, my stairs don't have the proper geometry to BLJ off of.
Also, being hit by a person-sized object that fast would probably just be lethal for both of us.
Mostly her, since monsters are a lot less hardy than humans.
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>>3997094
>>3997095
You select with the selector tool, right click, and use stretch/skew. Then you just stretch it by the same percentage horizontally and vertically
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>>3997114
Well since the damage to monsters scales of intent she is probably fine, you on the other hand... Hopefully those feathers of hers softened the blow...
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>>3997093
>Quetzali immediately panics and uncoils
>She's in the middle of calling 9-1-1 when Anon wakes up
>"Anon! Are you ok?"
>"Quetzali..." he rasps
>"What? What's wrong?"
>"Did I tell you to stop?"
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>>3997116
Well now that you'd told me she's coming, I'm just going to stand very firmly, and with the intent to powderize whatever tries to smack into me.
And with a helmet on.
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>>3997113
Why is she missing an eye in one pic?
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>>3997119
looks like a wink to me.
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>>3997118
Anon... You won't deal any damage to her, gravity will. But gravity likes her so she might even heal from that
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>>3997114
>okes on her, my stairs don't have the proper geometry to BLJ off of.
That's fine. She's been building speed for the past three weeks. What you were talking to moments ago was just her after image.
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>>3997120
6th bottom right, wink is 8th bottom right
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>>3997119
>>3997120
Anon lacks object permanence
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>>3997121
Actually, that'd be angular momentum.
And angular momentum doesn't like anybody.
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>>3997124
Her eyelids are black, so I'm inclined to believe that's just another wink.
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>>3997124
looks to me like both are different kinds of winks. A sly wink and an exaggerated wink. I could be wrong but that's what I'm seeing.
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>>3997126
There's probably some monster somewhere that has a body based purely on angular momentum. Like a spinning top monster, or a bouncing ball monster, or one of those Newtonian physics ball sets, but as a monster.
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>>3997125
Yeah and Cole's sprite has two eyes by your logic
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>>3997122
All that momentum won't mean shit if the battle starts as she hits, like how Undyne dropping towards Frisk with her spear didn't do anything at first at the start of their battle.
She can go as fast as she wants, but it won't matter.
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>>3997131
I'm telling you it will work if the universe deems it a comedic situation where the both of you get knocked out. RPGs love that kind of stuff, the universe is probably weighing out the situation to see if this should start a dramatic battle, or a hilarious situation where you both get sent flying but take not "real" damage.
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>>3997132
If it's going off of comedic rules, I could see a third outcome where I see her coming, and casually step out of the way at the last second before she hits me unintentionally, causing her to keep going way past me and miss entirely.
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>>3997133
that would be funny as well. I'd say flip of the coin on that one on which the code of the universe decides is more entertaining at that moment, with both being pretty good options.
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>>3997132
>Quetzali slams into scrimblo anon
>Thinks that he died
>Coils around him and uses her healing magic
>Whispers into anon's ear how she doesn't want him to die and begs him to say anything
>It's actually what he wanted all along
>He decides to play along and continues to act dead
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>>3997131
The battle will start and the only bullet will just be a giant snake moving at five hundred miles per hour, instantly swooning both you and her.

Don't deny it. Undertale operates on gag logic, so this is what it would do.

>>3997132
basically what this guy said

>>3997133
Those are both options. Most players usually only see the hit scene, but its possible to evade if you're quick and know its coming. You get an entirely different cutscene for it and the scenes referencing it later change as well.
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>>3997135
>scrimblo anon
Oh so we're recognizing this as me then?
I have an iron sword in the corner of my room, I can put up a fight against her if I need to.
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>>3997136
>Those are both options. Most players usually only see the hit scene, but its possible to evade if you're quick and know its coming. You get an entirely different cutscene for it and the scenes referencing it later change as well.
I like this approach. A quick time event basically that it's hard to react to without knowing it's coming.
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I revised that Ceroba x Anon green some, tried to catch some of the errors of which I'm sure there are more of, and am now moving on to work on the follow up where they are in the shower.

https://rentry.org/rc9i7geh
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>>3997139
Its hard to react even if you do know.
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>>3997137
Why do you have an iron sword in your room? Were you studying the blade?
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>>3997136
>The battle will start and the only bullet will just be a giant snake moving at five hundred miles per hour, instantly swooning both you and her.
if the universe deems it comedy logic, it wont even put it into a battle scene, it will just have the snake crash into you in the overworld.
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>>3997145
Nah, got it as a gift from a relative.
I killed a spider with it once, it's slain before.
Anyway, why the hell is Quetzali so hell bent on constricting me?
I'm not even doin' anything right now.
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>>3997148
>wasting a sword on a mere spider
its spirit hungers, anon.
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>>3997148
nta but honestly I like the idea that her flying at mach speed was completely unrelated to you. She was trying to discover a new out of bounds area and suddenly flung herself in [direction]
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>>3997148
>killed a spider
Muffet will be greatly displeased. Even genoslide Frisk hasn't killed a spider when she met him

She tries to constrict you because you threatened to betray and trap me in a hyperbolic CBT chamber
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>>3997149
>wasting a sword on a mere spider
It was in the corner of my ceiling past my desk, it was the only way I could reach far enough to get it.
>its spirit hungers, anon.
I'll feed it soon if this fuckin' snake doesn't get off me.
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>>3997153
>Muffet will be greatly displeased.
Problems for later.
>She tries to constrict you because you threatened to betray and trap me in a hyperbolic CBT chamber
Oh yeah, that.
I was kinda legitimately asking earlier, the way you brought it up made it sound like that's what you were after.
So if this is all a misunderstanding, call off the snake, would ya?
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>>3997156
Unfortunately she keeps gaining more and more speed and I don't think I can stop her
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>>3997158
Maybe she can airbrake with a loud screeching sound like a cartoon character.
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>>3997135
Wait, does this imply she'd continue to constrict what she thinks is a human corpse?
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>>3997160
No, in this case she doesn't contrict him, she gently hugs anon...
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>>3997161
Well what if I loudly tell her I'm not actually dead?
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>>3997162
She will constrict you then
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>>3997163
She would non-consensually constrict me?
Truly disgusting behavior.
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>>3997137
Iron? Like wrought iron? How old is it?
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>>3997164
Ningens don't have rights
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>>3997166
when did Chujin turn into a snake.
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>>3997165
No clue, I've never bothered to look into it too much, I just have it.
I'm not even a swords guy, I was just given a sword.
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>>3997168
He used ningenlink to transmit this message, he didn't turn into anything
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That was a good thread. I liked how many artists and other creators for other games showed up. I know people want the /v/ threads to be a UTY enclave but I for one enjoy the crossover with other communities and projects, since I have neither the time nor the will to browse /v/ religiously. Other than that one guy, some of them might be good additions here too.
>>>/v/740534194#740552519
Don't worry about her being too red for her back sprite; back sprites are usually the least detailed and aesthetically appealing for a reason.
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>>3997166
I may not be her biggest fan, but I know Quetzali wouldn't say that.
Primarily because she's not asian, but still.
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>>3997171
It wasn't actually quetzali, but a robot duplicate. Mechaquetzali.
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>>3997174
Ah yes, Undertale Naranja CD, my favorite game.
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>>3997174
Chujin uses it so Kanako doesn't interact with Quetzali. She has been a bad influence on Kanako
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>>3997176
This discussion took a turn when we hit the non-con constricting.
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>>3997177
But did it take a weird route yet?
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>>3997178
This started off weird, let's be honest.
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>>3997135
You know, thinking on this a bit more, it occurs to me that if she didn't want me to die for some reason, slamming into me at 100 km/h was probably not the best way to achieve such a goal.
Maybe she really just wanted to kill me herself, stop someone else from stealing her kill.
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>>3997179
The forbidden path began with constriction
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>>3997181
Fair, that is a pretty strange thing to talk about, even if it does sound nice in some certain contexts.
I remain ambivalent on Quetzali herself though.
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DRY Anon, here is a track for Bunbun's bossfight
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RaBjIHJdBYqyEV9AxPMX4_v7wDCk8qHv/view?usp=sharing
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I spent some more time thinking about Quetzali, constriction, and some of her general design details, and my brain conceived a wretched idea from my idle thoughts.
Quetzali constricting an anon and using the feathers on her body to tickle him while he's helplessly trapped in her embrace, as she looks at him with a smug expression while he squirms.
I don't know if I'll draw that, but my brain made me think of it, and now you're thinking of it too.
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>>3997194
Not the DRYanon, sounds great but is it just me or does it feel like it's winding up to something without actually culminating?
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>>3997197
Perhaps it would be even better if it had an enemy retreating leitmotif?
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Zenith Martlet moments before unbirthing
https://files.catbox.moe/rbr9su.png
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does this seem like a good icon for effects that are related to critical hits?
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>>3997210
Can we see some other icons for comparison?
It looks fine by itself, but knowing what other icons it'd be appearing along with would help.
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>>3997211
its for the equip/stat icons
for DRY2, since im going to be making some changes to the pause UI i decided i'd use separate components to build the pause screens rather than whole premade images, easier to tamper with.
but with that i decided i might as well pack all the separate UI sprite images into one sheet since its more efficient on unity.
and since im doing that, i do need a crit symbol for the demo so i decided i'd take care of that right now but im not sure if it looks right.
most of these are just from deltarune, the custom ones being
>the crit symbol
>the mouthless face ('quietness' stat for sadie, im going to change it to shyness and add a different icon.)
>the two way arrows (i have ideas for effects that these will be relevant for.)
>the lightning icon and book
>the pistol and kanabo (from DRY1 iirc)
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>>3997210
>>3997219
other games usually use an exclamation mark to represent critical hits, but Deltarune already has an exclamation mark symbol, I think you could use a crosshair icon to represent them since crits in UT/DR are all about precision.
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>>3997219
Honestly, I think I'd only really be able to come to a sound judgement on this kind of thing by actually learning to recognize these different symbols during gameplay, but as it stands, I'd say the symbol is decently distinctive at a glance such that I can recognize it as itself alongside all those other symbols, even without expanding that image there, so I'd say it works if you need it to be understandable at a glance.
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Someone on r/DeltaruneYellow_ made a self ship fanart of Melody
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>>3997225
domestic abuse fetish.
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>>3996594
Never wrote a green specifically, but I'm assuming you want to do more with less, given the abbreviated format of a green?

You can do a lot just by implying a thing's age or "timelapsing." For instance, let's say that you want a behavior to feel old and well-trodden. Make the other character(s) reactions feel casual and rote. Throwing in something as small "Oh no, not again!" can make something feel like there's time behind it.

Or the longer timelapse approach. Off the top of my head, you could do something like this:
>be me
>working a new job and it pays well
>super stressed all the time, but I make it work
>super behind all the time, but I make it work
>then I can't make it work anymore
>break down in front of my fox gf
>she wraps me in her tail and pets me
>I can keep making it work
By adding just those initial lines, you make the problem feel much more protracted and painful, and make the comfort feel more earned.
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>>3997223
>>3997224
something like a crosshair was my first idea, but it just didnt seem quite right.
i want the icon to give the idea of a "stronger hit" at a glance.
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>>3997229
I think either sprite is fine, like the other anon said, people will begin to associate the icon with critical hits once they start to see it in game.
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>>3997194
Sounds really dramatic for a non main boss, but it is good
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the worst part about making a fangame is slowly learning about all the game's flaws and having to either fix them or deal with them.
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It's finished.
Here's an anon worshipping one of Martlet's talons: https://files.catbox.moe/p9njrs.png
Honestly, not a big fan of how it came out, not feeling great about this one in general.
If anyone has any thoughts, criticisms, feedback, whatever, they feel like sharing, I'd like to hear it, but I know my stuff isn't generally as well-liked as some of the other guys' stuff, so I know how it is.

I'm tired. I think a need a break from some of the bigger stuff like this. Maybe just a break in general, from things. I don't feel great.
Goodnight for now.
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>>3997245
I'm not into feet, but that Martlet looks pretty good actually, those talons do look like an strange mix between bird feet and human feet, but I've seen worse, those buff arms you gave her look nice too.
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>>3997238
just the other day I read about how fucking evil Deltarune's text font is and I honestly still can't believe it
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/740240071/#740242889
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>>3997226
you'd know a lot about that wouldn't you gizmo
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>>3997258
you best start believing.
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>>3997260
Toby, Toby, Toby. What the HELL goes on in his brain? WHY?
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>>3997262
sometimes you're just dealt a bad hand
in this case, the specific font is arguably integral to UT/DR. so thats just what has to be done to make it work.
its easier to just add the 0.333 to every text box than to fuck with the font info to make it work otherwise.
though, its entirely possible that this is on the fault of the one that made the recreation font.
the font toby uses is an edit of another font, and as far as im aware the one we have is a separate edit that someone else also made to recreate toby's edits.
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>>3997196
is she using her wings or just rubbing anon against her back feathers to tickle him?
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Banny Janny woke up at 12PM sharp. Unlikely to be a thread today
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>>3997282
It's Monday.
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>>3997225
Everyday I'm grateful the yurifags are sequestered over there.
>>3997245
Like >>3997255 said too plantigrade for my taste. Also she needs to invest in a bra already. Those are very saggy breasts and she isn't even old. However, your artistic technique is very clean and aesthetically pleasing!
>>3997258
I know games tend to have scuffed workarounds and "smoke and mirrors" but Tone couldn't even make a font that works outside fractional numbers?
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>>3997298
>yurifags
Not a lot of them surprisingly. It's mostly kanacole
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>>3997298
>>3997302
As far as I know the character with Melody in that pic is a guy, so not actually yuri
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>>3997245
Im not a "man of the talon" but for martlet of course I'd be willing to be flexible, but regardless this looks pretty good. Her reaction is pretty good and them some big ol bird titties. Good work finishing this one
>I dont feel great
Get some rest anon, I know rest has been escaping you but I hope you're able to relax somehow tonight/today.
You said the other day that you feel compelled to draw a lot of the time, so if you do, maybe keep it to doodles so you can take it easy on yourself.
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>>3997245
Hope you can recover or feel better soon anon, don't sacrifice your wellbeing.
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>>3997282
Anon, janny "works" 7 days a week. When is it ever safe?
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>>3997348
There is no safe, just do it and try your luck.
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I wonder how shit's gonna go down if Deltarune's announced at the direct, let alone shadowdropped the same day. Will we finally get our UTY thread then?
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>>3997352
The janny might try but there's no way he could nuke all the threads if we get a trailer/announcement
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Imagine Cole clicker training kanako
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>>3997268
I was mostly imagining her using the feathers along her body to tickle the anon, but I also imagined her making a gap in her coils to expose the anon's tummy and tickle him with her tongue because I am sick in the head.
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>>3997355
what would he use, I don't know if she has a favorite food yet
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>>3997363
My god Anon, you're a monster!
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>>3997366
I can't help it, I have no say in what my brain finds cute/hot.
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>>3997367
Next you'll be saying something devious and unforgivable like anon falling asleep afterwards with his face against her soft feathers!
Truly reprehensible.
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>>3997352
>>3997353
I think he would let the threads stay. I mean, it would be current news.
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>>3997368
Well I apparently was one of the first to talk about the idea of being constricted by her, despite not being super into her.
I dunno, something about being squeezed like that does things for my autism, I think there's a specific term for that.
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>>3997363
Quetzali with a tickle fetish? That's a new one, I wonder if her tongue would feel warm or cold, are reptile monsters "cold-blooded"? Or is that ignored because they are made of magic?
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>>3997378
>I dunno, something about being squeezed like that does things for my autism, I think there's a specific term for that.
Weighted blankets are a thing, so wanting to get lightly squeezed isn't that strange, its like a hug, but for your entire body.
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>>3997378
There is, used to work in direct care and there's all sorts of "sensory" programs, though they change the terms for all this stuff somewhat frequently so I dont know what they call it now. Even not being into the more 'extreme' forms of things like this, I can see there being something nice to this. It would be a bit scary for me not being able to break free any moment I needed, but that probably makes it even better for some.
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>>3997379
>Quetzali with a tickle fetish?
More accurately I'm the one with the fetish, and I guess I think being constricted by her and tickled like that would be kinda hot.
Especially if she was being teasy about it...
God, I need to stop thinking about this.
>Or is that ignored because they are made of magic?
Eh, whatever makes it work best.
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>>3997381
>Weighted blankets are a thing, so wanting to get lightly squeezed isn't that strange, its like a hug, but for your entire body.
Yeah, I've been meaning to get one of those, I don't get to experience the feeling of being crushed (gently) so often.
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>>3997384
>More accurately I'm the one with the fetish, and I guess I think being constricted by her and tickled like that would be kinda hot.
But in this context she's the one doing the tickling, unless you asked her for this, which must be kinda awkward, even more if you asked while she was on her anthro form
>"Hey, Zali, next time you turn into a snake..."
>"Could you constrict me? but not too hard"
>"Oh, and make sure to tickle me while you're at it"
Can't even imagine what her reaction would be like.
>Eh, whatever makes it work best.
I've seen guys into the idea of having a cold blooded anthro reptile gf/bf, something romantic about sharing their warmth with them, or the anthro in question seeking the human's warmth, making them prone to cuddling and hugging.
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>>3997383
>Even not being into the more 'extreme' forms of things like this, I can see there being something nice to this.
Eh, even not being super into Quetzali like some other people are, I think being (consensually) constricted by her would be nice if I was with her.
Like, maybe if she constricted me and applied pressure in certain ways like a full-body massage, I'd be fine with that if it was all done with consent, it's non-consensual bindings I don't like.
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>>3997386
>But in this context she's the one doing the tickling
Oh, right, in-context then.
Yeah, the idea of her being into it is hot too.
I dunno, maybe I'll draw this at some point.
Not that I want this for me or anything, of course not.
>I've seen guys into the idea of having a cold blooded anthro reptile gf/bf, something romantic about sharing their warmth with them, or the anthro in question seeking the human's warmth, making them prone to cuddling and hugging.
Good point, and it makes sense with her being a snake.
Her being slightly needy about cuddles is also a nice thought too.
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>>3997388
>Not that I want this for me or anything, of course not.
Of course, who would to be hugged by a warm feathery blanket?
>Her being slightly needy about cuddles is also a nice thought too.
She might need help scratching her body whenever she turns into a snake, those wings don't look like they can fulfill that task.
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I remember this thread talking about how deltatraveler's obliteration route misses the point of what the og genocide route was trying to do but i dont remember, can someone fill me back in?
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>>3997389
>Of course, who would to be hugged by a warm feathery blanket?
Of course, that'd be ridiculous.
Being constricted by her, unable to move, feeling her feathers brushing across your skin as she shifts over you, struggling to hold in your laughter as she realizes what she's doing, and being unable to contain it any longer as she doubles down and starts doing in intentionally...
*cough* *cough*, I mean, uh, normal things.
Normal things I am thinking about her.
>She might need help scratching her body whenever she turns into a snake, those wings don't look like they can fulfill that task.
Yeah, suppose you could help her out if she's constricted you somewhere close to where she's itchy.
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>>3997393
>*cough* *cough*, I mean, uh, normal things.
Even when you aren't super into her, you still got something out of her design, scrimblos make our imagination run wild.
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>>3997394
>you still got something out of her design, scrimblos make our imagination run wild.
I have entirely normal feelings about her, I promise.
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>>3997392
for me at least, it's that it comes across as going out of its way to tell you that you are in the wrong for playing this route in the way that dumb people thought undertale was. People would shitpost and complain about undertale trying to tell them that they were morally wrong for playing a video game, but a lot of times, the obliteration route feels like it's roadblocks are actual efforts to tell you that you are playing the game wrong, from author to player. Things like the tobysona protecting the town from you crosses that barrier from "characters in this world are reacting to your actions" to "I'm making this route because I have to but you are shit for playing it."
I don't even want to play those routes myself most of the time (though it's cool that they exist, and arguably it makes the pacifist route more meaningful in that it really wasn't an obligation), but obliteration feels like it's constantly trying to soft lock or frustrate you as a player out of completing it.
>>3997385
I'd recommend giving it a try. Very soothing to use at least on occasion.
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>>3997395
>I have entirely normal feelings about her, I promise.
I guess hugs and licks are somewhat normal all things considered, but the tickling does bump it in the weirdness scale
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>>3997403
Well now I'm imagining her doing all that to me and then giving me a look when she notices something pressing against her all of a sudden while she has me constricted.
My brain has completely rotted.
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Welp, I guess there won't be another thread until the direct then.
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>>3997404
she could use the tip of her tail to handle that
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>>3997406
And only if there is a DR reveal, which is still a huge maybe
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>>3997408
dry chapter 3 will be teased on the direct, obviously
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>>3997406
You could make one right now if you want.
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>>3997407
...Isn't the tip of her tail also feathered?
Oh god, I don't know if I could handle that.
That'd be hot, but man...
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>>3997421
cumming from a feather duster? that's kinda goofy, but I guess it fits the tickle thing
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>>3997420
NTA, but it is Monday, and there isn't much going on.
Maybe if we get enough of a surge in energy later into the night we could do a thread, but otherwise we might just have to go without.
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>>3997423
>spoiler
Well now I'm just imagining her saying something like that to tease me *while* she keeps going.
These thoughts are really distracting.
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>>3997425
The distracting thoughts will continue until morale improves
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>>3997426
Well now I'm just thinking about it like Quetzali's doing it to "cheer up" the anon.
Okay, fuck, I might have to draw this at some point, the idea's fun in a completely bizarre way.
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>>3997427
It all worked out in the end, you said you were not feeling great and then a random scrimblo showed up to make you feel better
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>>3997428
>quetzali trying to tease and tickle even though she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing, but thinks it might make anon feel better.
>her teasing is a bit awkward as she tries to think of what to say
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>>3997428
>quetzali's a scrimblo bimblo
you take that back, her character design is too coherent to be a scrunko
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>>3997431
scrimblos generally have pretty coherent designs which is part of the appeal. a solid design + often a unique personality turns into "character I like".
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>>3997430
>She doesn't even find this sexual
>Anon just cums from getting tickled all of the sudden
>Quetzali is dumbfounded at first
>But seeing anon's smile is all she needs to know that this quest was a success
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>>3997431
If Ceroba falls under the category of scrimblo then so does Quetzali and pretty much every other fangame character here
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>>3997433
that's silly
and maybe a little cute.
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>>3997433
>this quezt was a success
Ftfy
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>>3997433
>>3997440
The quetzal quest that got posted a while ago was fun
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>>3997432
>>3997434
I thought Scrimblo Bimblo was a clear dig at nostalgic autismos dredging up incoherent unlikeable forgotten shit demanding representation, but we're using it as a catch-all for cartoon animal people? That's weird because the term was invented for Smash roster shitposting and most of the cast would be scrunkos, making it a scrimblo fighter. Like, if Ceroba is a scrimblo then so are Fox and Falco. It's Super Scrimblo Bros
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>>3997447
the group effort nature of it was great. I didn't have time to get involved when someone tried to continue it.
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>>3997447
Queroba Quetzukane
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>>3997433
>Anon just cums from getting tickled all of the sudden
Hey, that was only when she started going for the crotch!
>this quest was a success
I suppose it's successful if she can "cheer" up her anon, in a sense.
I took a brief nap on account of having gotten about three hours of sleep, and I imagined passing out while constricted by her after being "worn out" like that.
I guess I'm warming up to her.
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>>3997448
yeah it was originally a shitpost for platformer mascot like characters which were generally furries, and it got adopted more broadly because it's a funny word some time ago.
most people just use it to mean "funky character of some sort that I like"
People were definitely calling spamton a scrimblo too. It's just one of those things that isn't worth overthinking, flash in the pan internet silliness that stuck around in some form.
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>>3997452
>3 hours of sleep
do try to take care of yourself anon, especially since you said it had been 24 hours of being up before that. I know we're all anonymous idiots here but, I am a bit worried hearing that. If nothing else it sounds like the nap was good.
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>>3997453
whoops, obviously this was for
>>3997451
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I generally sleep at 5 am, sometimes 6 am if im really focused in a game, and sometimes at 7 am or more if my mind goes blank and i forget about sleep for a while, and always wake up around 1-3 pm. Still doing good.
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>>3997451
>Quetzali notices that you are not sleeping enough
>Quetzali constricts so you will stop harming yourself and go to sleep
>Quetzali makes sure that you always get consistent 8 hours of proper sleep
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>>3997453
>do try to take care of yourself anon, especially since you said it had been 24 hours of being up before that. I know we're all anonymous idiots here but, I am a bit worried hearing that.
Yeah, I know, in my own defense there was some construction going on that made it a bit hard to sleep with all the noise.
I promise I will attempt to go to bed at a reasonable time later tonight, like 4:00 am, instead of about 10:00.
>If nothing else it sounds like the nap was good.
It was nice, yes.
I think the idea of being overstimmed until passing out in Quetzali's coiled embrace is also very nice, albeit in a weird way.
Might have to do something with that, too.
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>>3997453
Quetzali...
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>>3997458
>Anon resists at first, claiming they "just need to finish working on something"
>Anon can barely keep their eyes open as they weakly struggle in the snek's embrace
>Anon begins to doze off, eventually leaning into Quetzali's face to nuzzle her
>Anon subconsciously tells her he loves her just before falling asleep entirely

...Okay, maybe she's really starting to grow on me, these ideas are nice.
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>>3997459
well that's good to hear, not the construction of course but you know. I'll stop the nagging.
>>3997463
>>3997458
scrimblos dragging overexerted anons to bed to force them to get more sleep is a nice thought. The cult of the snake goddess grows in power or something.
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>>3997464
>well that's good to hear, not the construction of course but you know. I'll stop the nagging.
Eh, it is how it is.
Don't worry about being annoying or anything, I understand.
If nothing else, I don't have anything I'm currently working on, so it'll be much easier to get myself to go to bed at a given time, as opposed to staying up a while longer to try and "finish off" a project that has at least another few hours left on it.
There is a green I wanted to try and finish off though, so maybe that'll be what gets me this time instead.
Truly, variety is the spice of life.
>scrimblos dragging overexerted anons to bed to force them to get more sleep is a nice thought.
Being overpowered and made to do something healthy by a monster scrimblo that loves you is one of the greatest dreams any man can have.
Despite my previous threats to turn into The Plutonian if a scrimblo tried to overpower me for my own good, I know.
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>>3997463
You need to be well rested if you want to be a good explorer, that's how you get the xp (not to be confused with exp) bonus
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>>3997469
>Being overpowered and made to do something healthy by a monster scrimblo that loves you is one of the greatest dreams any man can have.
>Despite my previous threats to turn into The Plutonian if a scrimblo tried to overpower me for my own good, I know.
yes yes, the duality of man I think.
>>3997470
ah yes, XP, how they measure your Lvl in the explorers guild (not to be confused with LV)
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>>3997469
>as opposed to staying up a while longer to try and "finish off" a project that has at least another few hours left on it.
also, I was thinking of times I had done just that to myself with greens before reading you mention the green you are working on. It's crazy how much it feels like the finish line is right around the corner when you have a ton of work remaining. Remember, it's probably easier to continue the work if you get good sleep!
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>>3997472
>yes yes, the duality of man I think.
It's a weird thing to think about.
Being overpowered "against my will" for cuddles?
Fine.
Being overpowered against my will to stop me from sacrificing myself or getting a cool death?
Not fine.
I feel like there should be a term for this, but I'm drawing a blank.
Best I've got is "CNC cuddling", but it's more than just that.
Also that sounds weird.
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>>3997473
>also, I was thinking of times I had done just that to myself with greens before reading you mention the green you are working on.
Guess it's a common feeling, huh?
>It's crazy how much it feels like the finish line is right around the corner when you have a ton of work remaining. Remember, it's probably easier to continue the work if you get good sleep!
True, but it also feels much better to go to sleep after completing the project, as opposed to waking up just to have to finish it off later!
And that's why I stayed up six hours past when I wanted to go to bed last night to finish that Martlet image.
Really, it was just around the corner.
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>>3997476
I think the difference lays that (not that) deep down you do want to sleep, so when Quetzali or any other scrimblo drags you for cuddles you give up easily, you can continue working on your thing later anyway. In the other scenario you are hellbent on getting a cool death, and they want to stop you from archiving that goal, its not something temporary, that's what changes.
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>>3997480
>>3997476
so the trick is, if a scrimblo wants to stop you from throwing yourself to your death, they just need to hit you with a "Anon, this death would be lame as hell, I'd be really embarrassed if you died that way actually."
just to gaslight you into living longer.
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>>3997480
Hm.
That actually seems like pretty sound reasoning on the topic, alright.
>>3997482
>if a scrimblo wants to stop you from throwing yourself to your death, they just need to hit you with a "Anon, this death would be lame as hell, I'd be really embarrassed if you died that way actually."
>just to gaslight you into living longer.
Okay but if they keep saying that to *every* death I think is cool, then I know they're just fucking with me and I shouldn't listen to them in that case.
And when it comes to sacrifices, the coolness of the death is (variably) less important than the intended effect of the sacrifice, so that wouldn't work on me.
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>>3997485
>so that wouldn't work on me.
I think it might work once or twice if it's a val tier sacrifice of "throwing yourself into a fight you don't have to".
"Val, dying here would be like when frieza cut himself in half with his OWN energy disks. Super not cool."
And you just hope that he doesn't get like 5 more opportunities to kill himself.
It may be a little harder if it's actually a life or death situation where everyone or everything is at risk.
it's like a veto that works against certain human tendencies to kill themselves more than others.
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>>3997486
>it's like a veto that works against certain human tendencies to kill themselves more than others.
All humans in UT have causes they are willing to throwing their lives at, the only difference between Val/Clover and Frisk, was that Frisk had a god that gave them infinite retries.
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>>3997486
>"Val, dying here would be like when frieza cut himself in half with his OWN energy disks. Super not cool."
Okay, that would maybe work on me a few times, sure.
>It may be a little harder if it's actually a life or death situation where everyone or everything is at risk.
See, if it was a situation where bigger things are at stake than just my own life, that's where I feel trying to argue against it becomes more selfish, because the person's dying for something that benefits the world, and the greater good comes first.
Like, if I was in Clover's position when it came to their sacrifice in UTY, I'd be willing to make the same choice (though I might still want to fight Asgore for fun if nothing else before I die), and I'd be pissed as hell if the friends I was trying to sacrifice myself over tried to physically apprehend me and stop me from doing so, it'd feel like a complete insult.
Maybe I wouldn't actually go all [picrel] over it if that happened, but I'd definitely turn hostile on them in particular.
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>>3997490
>Maybe I wouldn't actually go all [picrel] over it if that happened, but I'd definitely turn hostile on them in particular.
>"Clover don't! This is exactly the mistake that ruined my life, I won't let it happen again right in front of my eyes!"
>Ceroba begins to summon a barrier to stop Clover from ripping his soul out
>Clover blasts Ceroba's fucking head off with his revolver before she can finish the barrier
>NO ONE will deny Clover his rightfully earned cool death
>Not even his "friends"
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>>3997490
>over it if that happened, but I'd definitely turn hostile on them in particular.


>things turn sour, you get hostile as they fight tooth and nail to keep you from sacrificing yourself, their view of this not being worth the cost vs you declaring that it is and it's going to happen
>they get struck when just under half hp and lose the rest of their hp toriel style.
>before they dust they tell you
>"S-sorry Anon. I know you hate me now but, just letting you throw your life away would have been even more uncool of me. I don't think... I'd have any right to see the surface... if I just let it happen."
>They turn to dust, the underground breeze scattering their dust over their favorite 'thing'.
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>>3997492
Well with Clover's sacrifice I think it's more about the greater good of getting closer to breaking the barrier, but the rest of that is about right.
I mean, maybe I'd kneecap Ceroba at first instead, but you know how it is.
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>>3997492
This is clover imagining his epic revenge while sleeping at Martlet's house after his friends succesfully stopped him from killing himself
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>>3997495
Hah, going right for the heart, huh?
Well, I'll be right behind them anyway.
They can chew me out on the other side.
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>>3997499
>They can chew me out on the other side.
unfortunately, you are not the last soul so there is a while yet before you get to actually pass on.
or worse yet, revival theory and you come back while they are dead.

are you strong enough to carry on the memory of how cool they tried to be? maybe it was lame to you that they tried stopping you but... were they at least cool while being lame?
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>>3997499
>They can chew me out on the other side.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, you're not seeing them again
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>>3997501
>spoilers
Ah, fair point.
Maybe they were cool, in their own way.
If nothing else, I'd have told them I didn't hate them before they went.
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>>3997502
Harsh.
But nah, I think I'd see them again.
Can't imagine they'd go to all that trouble, and not even put in a good word for me.
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>>3997486
>Val tries to go to fight Asgore
>Quetzali constricts him and says that he cant do that yet reminds him that he didn't beat Bedo's high score yet
>Val agrees and beats her highscore
>Quetzali then constricts him again and tells him that he didn't beat Zaervot in the hardest OOB challenge race
>The next time Quetzali constricts him, she reminds him that he didn't catch all Luzma's debters yet
>This goes on for a while
>By the time he does everything that Quetzali reminds him of, he completely forgets that he ever wanted to fight asgore at all
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>>3997513
>By the time he does everything that Quetzali reminds him of, he completely forgets that he ever wanted to fight asgore at all
Someone's gonna casually mention Asgore in passing at some point and Val's memory is gonna get refreshed, don't worry.
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>>3997515
Then Quetzali is going to make something up for him to do again
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>>3997517
She can only pull the stuffed-crust trick so many times, eventually he's gonna go for it and she won't be able to stop him.
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>>3997513
>>3997517
>They keep coming with side quests for Val to complete
>Eventually they run out of creative ideas
>Quetzali begins hiding "collectibles" all over the underground
>She tells Val that he can't fight Asgore until he has collected all 101 secret thingamajigs
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>>3997517
>quetzali eventually marries val and the reminders are things like "you said we'd have children first." or "kind of lame if your grandkids never got to see your face"
>neither of them realize that their progeny inherits both of their autisms as they eventually have an army of half-breed fighting autists
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>>3997518
Then she'll use her last resort. If she gets pregante then he won't be able to leave her because that would be super lame and cringe
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>>3997521
You kidding?
This would be the perfect opportunity for Val to be just like Goku, by dying in front of his own child.
You're just kicking the can down the road, but you can't stop it forever.
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>>3997524
to be fair, goku was married to chichi, I'd like to imagine Val enjoys quetzalis presence a lot more than goku likes chichi.
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>>3997520
>>3997521
While that's cute and all, I have to remind you that his hero Goku, sacrificed while Chi-Chi was pregnant, so I don't think having children will be enough to stop him from giving his life away
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I was stumped on what I was gonna draw after finishing that Martlet image, but after much deliberation and digging through the notepad file I have with all my ideas in it, I've decided on Reynault cheeks.
Guess the guy who asked me to do more butt-focused content is gonna get what he wants, sorta.
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>>3997525
>I'd like to imagine Val enjoys quetzalis presence a lot more than goku likes chichi.
Even if that's the case, there's nothing a hispanic likes more than the opportunity to be like Goku.
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>>3997524
>>3997525
He is prohibited from dying until Gohan gets to show his full potential
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>>3997531
ok fair but there's one last ditch effort here. taking
>>3997532
into consideration, What if Gohan turned into a jobber because his father was dead so much.
tell him that if he dies, his son will become a jobber. Might shake him as badly as that time he accidentally did the thumb pose.
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>>3997532
Nah, he's gonna die as soon as he needs to hold someone still so his rival turned ally can use his special beam cannon, it's fate.
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>>3997535
>What if Gohan turned into a jobber because his father was dead so much.
You kidding?
He got stronger than ever during the Buu saga, and Goku was technically still dead during all that.
Also Bojack Unbound and whatnot.
Really, Val would know that him being dead would be the best thing that could ever happen to his kid.
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>>3997392
I'm the anon who played it recently and posted my findings. I don't think "missing the point of genocide" is the right criticism for it; even other fangames like UTY don't do genocide routes the same way as vanilla Undertale and having a different spin on it is fine, so long as it's good.
Deltatraveler's problem is, as the other anon said, that it's overly preachy to the point that you can feel the pull of the author's hand. While I do personally think Undertale "punishes" the player for genocide by making the process of it tedious and the bosses underwhelming sans Sans and Undyne, so that anyone who isn't dedicated to seeing where the route goes will drop it, that's both part of the theme of the route (doing something unrewarding for no reason other than feeling an obligation to see what happens; I actually think, although the two hard genocide fights are the best part of Undertale, they detract from the message by being so fun that it encourages players to go through the grind, but I digress), but it's written such that the judgments the player faces are solely from the perspectives of the characters in-universe.

In Deltatraveler even the narrator is trying to push you off the route, and the disconnect between the player's/soul's actions and Kris's leads to the entire party, Kris included, turning against the player. I actually think the idea of that, with completely different execution, could be very compelling, and in a few brief moments like the Lesser Dog encounter (pic) it gets it right, but it's mostly just characters telling the player "no you can't do this," Kris killing himself when the player does something deemed too evil (but very inconsistent, not doing it when you murder Ness and Paula for example), and negative status effects making the game harder for the player. I think it's much more missing the point of Deltarune than Undertale, as the problem.
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>>3997540
>How will this news affect the development of Oldentale
I meant to post pic but then overwrote the image with the Deltatraveler video, oops
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>>3997539
>He got stronger than ever during the Buu saga
Anon, you are pointing out the saga where he had the most infamous and embarrassing jobbing incident across the whole series. Gohan didn't get his aura back from that one until he did the super special beam cannon in the super hero movie.
>and Goku was technically still dead during all that.
selling my point if anything. In the buu saga gohan made a worse fool of himself than many people though possible, jobbing levels yet unreproduced.
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>>3997542
>pic
If older discussion is anything to go by, Racter's not the one in control of that.
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>>3997544
He was still strong, he was just fighting Buu of all people, even Goku needed outside help for that.
Considering Gohan hadn't really be keeping up with his training as hard as he could've I think he showed amazing potential there, even if he fell short a bit.
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>>3997539
>He got stronger than ever during the Buu saga
But that was only after Goku showed up, until then Buu Saga Gohan had been slacking on his training, that was the saga where he became one of the biggest jobbers.
Val needs to personally train his son, at the very least until he's 18, he also needs to train his other younger child, and his other even younger child and his...
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>>3997547
>I think he showed amazing potential there
Potential he couldn't exploit until DBS Super Hero, Gohan would have been much stronger if Goku was there to push him further, he sorta gave up with him after defeating Kid Buu
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>>3997547
>He was still strong,
yes but again, being strong doesn't stop someone from being a jobber, and that's the problem. Gohan had the chance to be cool, had the chance to show off his strength, and he didn't just job, he jobbed in a pathetic manner.
if anything, Gohan being so strong when he jobbed like he did makes it worse. Genuinely the buu saga was his absolute worst showing It's painful to think about.
then despite being one of the strongest beings alive, he drops a casually tossed earring, and he reproduces that fuck up in super hero. Everything after killing cell was all downhill for Gohan up until he did that super special beam cannon.
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>>3997552
>Genuinely the buu saga was his absolute worst showing It's painful to think about.
Are you sure?
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>>3997553
oh no, I got fucking nauseous looking at that, I'd genuinely memory holed that. ok, that's his worst showing, THEN buu saga.

Fuck man, how do you do that to a character.
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>>3997554
>ok, that's his worst showing, THEN buu saga.
Okay, but what about the actual severity of these two?
Is Gohan making a simple mistake of dropping that earring really *that* close to what happened in Resurrection F?
What's the distance between the two, if we had to place them on some kind of job-o-meter?
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>>3997557
it's not just the earring, it's also the way that he lets buu play him while he's the strongest being in the universe (barring things that were invented in super), lets everyone down repeatedly after being hyped up through a large chunk of the arc.

that said resurrection F is a 250 on a scale of 100, while the buu saga is a solid 90.
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>>3997553
>>3997559
I think reminding Val of Gohan's performance in RoF should be enough to convince him of why you shouldn't die while your son hasn't finished growing up
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>>3997560
Honestly, Gohan needed training wheels for a while after that, I don't think too much of that is Goku's fault.
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>>3997542
How the hell does a bird masturbate anyway?
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>>3997448
It was a dig at obscure literally who's from mascot platformers (specifically it was from some fag on twitter calling Banjo a literally who), and later just became a term for anthro mascot platformer characters (think Banjo or Klonoa), then at some point we started using it to refer to Undertale characters, since Undertale is basically the RPG equivalent of a mascot platformer. Hell, Sans even featured in Smash, so it fits.
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>>3997485
Well what if they unironically think dying is lame and gay?

>>3997486
>"I'm gonna go heroically sacrifice myself to fight Asgore in a badass last stand. Don't try to stop me."
>"So you're gonna go in there, talk about how you're the strongest and he doesn't scare you, then get killed."
>"Yeah."
>"Like Yamcha?"
>"I... it's not... shit, it is like Yamcha."
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>>3997513
So like A Thousand And One Arabian Nights? A Thousand And One Monster Fights
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>>3997572
>Well what if they unironically think dying is lame and gay?
Well maybe *they're* lame and gay.
How 'bout that?
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>>3997490
I know nothing about this guy apart from hearing he's the most evil "evil Superman" ever written.
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>>3997499
Silly anon, monsters don't have an afterlife.
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>>3997571
>Undertale is the RPG equivalent of a mascot platformer

Elaborate on that?
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>>3997576
Eh, there's a tad bit more nuance to it than that, but more or less.
For context, that image is of him floating over Singapore.
Where it just used to be, anyway.
Make of this what you will.
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>>3997542
People punish birds for masturbating?
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>>3997547
Yeah, I'm sure Val wants to doom his son to Potential Man status.
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>>3997581
Look, maybe Val can appear to his kid like Goku appeared to Gohan in Bojack Unbound to tell him to get his shit together.
If that doesn't help, maybe his kid's better suited to become a scholar anyway.
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>>3997578
Spiritually the same. Look at the type of characters (both enemy and friendly) you see in mascot platformers, then look at the type of characters in Undertale. They have the same kind of humor and designs.

To look at a more modern example, A Hat in Time and Undertale have the exact same vibe. Same kind of humor, same kind of writing, same kind of designs.
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>>3997574
I can see it now. "Here lies Val, he jobbed".
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>>3997580
How does one punish a bird, anyway?
Put it in time out?
It'll just masturbate more.
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>>3997586
>Val ends up jobbing while Riley bangs his bnuuy gf

Guess he got his revenge at the end...
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Oh hey, Oldentale anon, if you're around, I've got a question for you.
What metal are Reynault's prosthetics made out of primarily?
At least for the outer bits.
It's not super important, I'm just writing something and want this detail correct.
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>>3997589
Oh, Val made sure to bang her before Riley could, just in case.
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>>3997595
>Luna thinks that Riley is Val after somehow surviving his death and gaining amnesia
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>>3997595
Val made sure to bang Riley before she could*
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>>3997597
He got Riley addicted to cock, now he'll never have sex with a woman again.
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>>3997540
>and in a few brief moments like the Lesser Dog encounter (pic) it gets it right,
I feel like part of that does, but it becomes awkward afterwards with how you force it by just going to the left over and over. The characters themselves being the ones to intervene there is definitely an improvement though.
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Well, at least he an undertale thread stay, even if it was short.
>multiple deleted posts, so it was definitely seen
>eventually autosaged
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>>3997542
so what I'm hearing is that Martlet shouldn't have lost her job.
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>>3997598
Noelle...
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>>3997602
Well, the rape probably didn't help either.
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Chujin telling Ceroba Starlo knocked him up.
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>>3997605
Don't you have some snowgraves to do?
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>>3997605
Starlo was Kanako's father all along, Ceroba was headed to the lab to finish her off for being illegitimate.
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>>3997604
Ah yes the rape, so easily forgotten.
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>>3997617
Really, it was just a little rape, one of those little oopsies.
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>>3997593
They're made of brass and wood.
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>>3997618
Just a little rape, as a treat.
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>>3997619
Brass, huh?
Alright, thanks.
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>>3997621
Or punishment, as Chujin used it.
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Any non-smut fanart made by posters here recently?
I missed a lot of the last thread
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>>3997630
Drew a bird a little while ago.
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>>3997633
Think I already saw this.
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>>3997630
someone asked what he should draw but I don't think he finished whatever he was working on yet. Couple of Quetzali sprites from naranja anon but thats's not "fan art" but rather official. There's that racter above me and also oldentale anon drew a couple of things a week or two ago.
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>>3997635
I think I saw this one too, anything else i missed?
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>>3997630
Do you mean the thread from yesterday or last week's thread?
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>>3997643
The thread on /vrpg/
I'm pretty alright with catching the /v/ threads, but they were kind of rough.
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>>3997644
Martlet Drawanon did a picture of Wiki
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>>3997646
Is it smut?
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>>3997647
yes
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>>3997648
No thanks then, I'm not interested.
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>>3997630
I made a very quick shitpost for one of the /v/ threads that I then posted in the /vrpg/, if that counts for anything.
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>>3997653
nta but was that supposed to be the soul signing a song "by heart" while wiki is trying to sleep?
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>>3997653
This is cute but I think? I saw it
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>>3997630
Depends on definition of recently and your definition of non-smut. I drew a bikini clad zenith mart but that was a couple weeks ago.
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>>3997654
Yeah, I had "Home by the sea" stuck in my head for a while when I was making that.
I still do, but you know how it is.
I like the idea of annoying her by getting the song stuck in *her* head now too.
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>>3997658
I never thought of the troubles of a monster who absorbed a soul that was used to staying up to obscene hours. Does the soul fall asleep when the bodies owner does?
Actually I remember now that there were fics that asked this question with multiple answers back when undertale came out as well. Some with silly sleep walk related answers.
>>3997657
nta but any thoughts on what you're going to draw next other than that you're working on writing something currently?
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>>3997659
>nta but any thoughts on what you're going to draw next other than that you're working on writing something currently?
I've drawn some giftarts for friends since then but nothing on that level. As for what to draw next, I would like to draw my own gals for a bit before trying to do anything else that might be related to the server.

On the writing spectrum, I've been really procastrinating due to gaming and all but I'm still trying to work kinks out in the oc yap story I've brought up a couple times. After that I'll need to figure out how to proceed in Shattered Gold and continue that. I don't want to leave it in the dust after all the positive reception and help I got with it but it's been hard to get me to write about it, the rot of apathy consumes.
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>>3997661
>I would like to draw my own gals for a bit
nice, I remember seeing you say you wanted to do that.
>After that I'll need to figure out how to proceed in Shattered Gold and continue that. I don't want to leave it in the dust after all the positive reception and help I got with it but it's been hard to get me to write about it, the rot of apathy consumes.

It's hard to say what will help you move forward the best, and I know the video games have dragged me kicking and screaming away from getting things done plenty of times, but maybe sit down in front of the notepad or whatever and push yourself to write just one sentence, and see if once that sentence is done, if you feel like you could do a second one.

I should practice my own advice but I think I'm going to drag myself to sleep on time for once. That said, don't feel guilty or obligated on your writing. It's a hobby after all and so you should enjoy the time you spend with it.
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>>3997662
I usually write during work, when there's times with nothing to do but when I'm in home office I tend to write nsfw stuff since nobody around and when in the office is when I can write sfw stuff on my phone. It's actually how ~90% of Shattered Gold was written and then went through looking for typos caught by google once I got on comp.
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>>3997649
It's not really smut per say, as the drawanon just drew Wiki nude.
Like that's seriously it, she's not doing anything in the image. See for yourself.
For his first try drawing her, he did a good job. Now we have more artists here drawing her.

https://files.catbox.moe/ene82x.png
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>>3997659
>I never thought of the troubles of a monster who absorbed a soul that was used to staying up to obscene hours. Does the soul fall asleep when the bodies owner does?
I can say that I almost certainly would not fall asleep at the same time Wiki does if she absorbed my soul, unless she also keeps the worst hours possible.
I wonder if I'd be in her dreams when I did fall asleep though.
That'd be neat.
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>>3997671
I get you can like smut man, but that guy was really not asking for Wiki presenting herself and inviting the viewer to a bath, nude.
Me personally I couldn't ever call that anything but porn.
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>>3997495
I've been thinking about it on and off a bit more since I first read this.
God, I couldn't do it.
I'm no evil force of nature, I couldn't bring myself to seriously hurt any of my scrimblos if they tried to stop me like that.
I wouldn't let them just attack me either, but I couldn't seriously unleash my full power on whoever it was, if they were seriously trying to stop me out of genuine concern like that.

I think I'd just have to run away, I don't know.
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>>3997490
>that's where I feel trying to argue against it becomes more selfish, because the person's dying for something that benefits the world, and the greater good comes first.
What if the monster suggests a third way that requires no sacrifice at all?
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>>3997497
Maybe he got to shoot one of ceroba's eyes out at least?
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>>3997678
Well, alright, I guess I'll see what that third option is then.
If it's an actual solution to the problem that doesn't have as high a cost, then I'll go for it, it's just a question as to whether that's actually the case.
I'm not just looking to kill myself for no reason, you know.
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>>3997671
This feels like semi smut. Nothing majorly smut related, but because you can still see some of Wiki's more explicit parts, it still edges out into that area.
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>>3997676
Sacrificing yourself after killing them would be a good way to repent, otherwise, stopping your sacrifice right after killing them would make you seem even worse than you did by doubling down in the first place, do a clover or dont
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>>3997682
Oh yeah, I'd still be willing to sacrifice myself, sure, I'm just saying I don't think I'd actually be willing to kill any of my scrimblos for it, I'd just have to evade them.
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>>3997412
Why is cole missing an eye? Will you now also say that this is merely a "wink" as well?
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I've been feeling extremely tired and worn out recently, and opted to channel that into an attempt at a green, heeding some advice from one writeranon in particular.
It's not great, being my first real attempt at such a thing, but it's something I really wanted to make for myself, just to try and feel a bit better.
I don't know, I guess I find thoughts of this smelly little fox oddly comforting.

>Anon entered the house slowly, his long day at work having thoroughly exhausted him
>Things had been especially hard on him lately, wearing him down from being a once well-oiled, efficient machine, to just barely being able to keep moving forward at all
>It was late, and it seemed his lover had retired to the bedroom for the night by the time he had arrived home
>He proceeded through the darkened halls of the house, his exhaustion slowing him as he made his way towards his destination, and towards the one thing he wanted over anything else
>Anon turned the corner, and saw the thing that kept him going, when things were at their hardest
>Reynault sat on their bed, mostly undressed, having waited for Anon even as the day turned to night
>Noticing his presence, Reynault spoke
>"Ah, Anon, you've returned from your daily regimen of soul-crushing labor I see?", he said, not knowing just how accurate that description felt to his partner
>Anon, his energy sapped from the working day, could only manage to give a quiet "Mmhmm" in response, not even attempting to play off of Reynault's humorous greeting
>Anon undresses himself, getting ready for bed so that he might at least enjoy his remaining hours of consciousness for the day in his lover's embrace
>His movements are slow, clumsy, his body lacking the energy almost to even stand upright properly, something Reynault takes notice of, as he waits for Anon to join him in bed
>Suddenly, Reynault lets out a short, quiet laugh to himself, as if to indicate that he's just thought of something funny
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>>3997697
>He puts his legs slightly together, before knocking on them with his prosthetic hand, giving off a minor clanging sound from the pieces of metal hitting each other
>"Mon coeur, if you need a soft place to rest your head, why not here?", a smug grin stretching across his face as he made his playfully mocking offer
>His joke hangs in the air for a moment...
>High enough to go over Anon's head completely, in his worn out state
>Not quite in his sharpest state of mind, Anon ponders Reynault's joking offer, and accepts with hardly a second thought
>Without a word, Anon sat down on the bed, before carefully leaning over to lay his head on Reynault's hard, artificial thighs
>"Anon, are you really-"
>Reynault cut himself off, watching as Anon settled his head comfortably in his lap, seeming ready to fall asleep
>He studied his lover's face, noticing how peaceful he was, even while his head pressed against the cold brass that composed the enfield's false limbs
>Reynault sighed, his own expression softening as he continued to gaze at Anon while he started to doze off in his lap
>"Ah, I see..."
>He brought his hand to Anon's head, and began to gently run his talons through his hair, soothingly scratching his scalp
>"To have had a day so hard, that the metal of my legs feels like a pillow to you...", a small hint of sorrow entering his voice as he whispered
>He continued to pet Anon, who had now fully drifted off to sleep, his head resting on his thighs
>"Repose-toi aussi longtemps que tu le souhaites, mon amour."
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Sorry to the anon who I had promised earlier that I would go to bed at 4:00 am, I really wanted to try and finish writing this, since it was just going to be a short little thing.
I will go to bed now, thinking of my dear, sweet enfield.
Well, after I brush my teeth first.
That's important.
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>>3997697
>>3997699
This was fine, I don't think I'd rest my head on a scrimblo's prosthetics even if I was tired, at that point I'd rather put my head on their chest.
Genuinely impressive how strong your love for that fox is, it overpowers all other scrimblos talked about here.
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>>3997693
He isn't, it is just hidden in shadow, like an inbetween of frisk's and kris' eye states
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>>3997598
monster val made sure to get riley pregnant to stop him from fighting
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>>3997717
In the picture provided the shade falls almost equally on both of his eyes
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>>3997722
It isn't possible, so I guess he'll keep on trying over and over again
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>>3997724
thats how riley got addicted in the first place, too much cocky cock cock
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>>3997727
Why did you torture virtual cats Noelle?
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>>3997729
this sounds more like an alphys thing to me
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>>3997737
Alphys is a krusie patriot though
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>>3997739
She ships people, I'm sure she's a huge fujo too, she would write a fanfic about a cocky monster and shy human if she knew them
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>>3997742
Riley is taller so by fujo rules he would be the one to be on top. And him being a human as well
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>>3997745
By fujo rules the dominant and tall one should be the top, but these characters only have one half of those traits, so she'll just make a tall adult aged up monster Val
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Deltarune chap 5 comes out June 24th, I wonder how things will go.
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>>3997780
>it's actually happening
I feel like I'm going to start being nostalgic for pre chapter 5 era deltarune
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>>3997780
interesting that it will be a japanese themed dark world because I can take some assets for my project
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Gentlemen, synchronize your death watches.
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>>3997786
i have written most of my cool lore to be far away from Deltarune both in a physical and narrative sense but I still have a feeling I am going to be slapped
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>>3997788
Martlet is going to cameo in Chapter 5 just long enough to call Kris a human slur and tell him his kind isn't welcome in monster society, to decanonize Momlet
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>>3997800
it should have been susie's dad.....
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>>3997801
Martlet IS Susie's dad
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>falseflaggers trying to pit UTY & UTDR against eachother again
Sigh. It's because we got new content and banny janny can't do anything but seethe, I bet.
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>>3997803
AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGAHHHHH
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>>3997804
What a complete nigger
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Hm, Chapter 5 is Japanese themed
And, it's Blooming.
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>>3997811
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>3997811
Toby created Yagi and has been using it to fuck with us this entire time
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>>3997782
Me too probably.
>>3997780
Is it weird that I wish it'd take longer?
>>3997786
If he fucks with Undertale's lore, oh well, I'll just have to ignore it. I'm too far along now to change gears. I think I'll be safe from feeling derivative at least, since the new dark world probably won't be a Japanese city specifically, because that would feel too derivative of Cyber World. And if it is, well Toby's doing himself in with derivativeness so its whatever.
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>>3997780
Say goodbye to Clover and Val/Riley
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>>3997818
And Melody, too.
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>>3997804
>same Direct that announced Deltarune Ch5 announced a remake of Touhou 6
>a Touhou thread gets made and ISN'T raided by the Discord shitposters, fully on-topic
>janny deletes it for no reason
It's going to be business as usual for Deltarune threads, having a new release won't do anything. Get ready to thread hop every five minutes as one thread gets purged and three more are made in its place
I'm sure we'll be affected and deleted with greater fervor as well
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>>3997804
What's he doing?
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>>3997815
>>3997811
>>3997807
Kill yourselves already.
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>>3997811
I don't see the relation to the image
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>>3997815
Are there actually still retards around that believe that horseshit Yagi myth?
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>>3997824
Janny-san, is that you?
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>>3997824
>STOP MAKING FUN OF MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
sorry janny, you have to let the UT/DR threads stay up since there's news.
i know, its hard, but you'll live. just focus on properly cleaning up /v/! there's plenty of porn threads for you to get rid of.
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>>3997822
usually they allow a grace period of 3 days to a week
2hu just pushed way too far over the years (and isn't their home board /jp/ anyway)
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>>3997824
>>3997826
>A minute apart
>Whined about a post making fun of jannies like that isn't completely normal
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>>3997825
Eh, some dumb threadshitter meme.
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>>3997832
Cool vernacular nobody uses dumb dumb
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>>3997832
I know who Yagi is, I just don't get the joke in the post.
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>>3997829
2hu is allowed on /v/ if you're talking about specifically the games, just like you can talk about RPGs there without getting banished to /vrpg/. Touhou threads just get nuked because of its high shitpost count and the aforementioned raid group, but neither applied to that thread
And when Ch3&4 released last year threads were getting nuked on sight the same day the game came out, not to mention the week before and after its release. This site needs to get hacked and all the mods doxxed again, the first time didn't scare them enough
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>>3997838
What is there not to get? Are you reading too hard into a spoopy japanese message?
Also Nubert had Super Saiyan hair.
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>>3997841
>Nubert
>Naranja
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>>3997841
I don't see what
>Hm, Chapter 5 is Japanese themed
>And, it's Blooming.
has to do with the image

>Super Saiyan Nubert
No, I didn't see that.
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>>3997845
I don't know what the blooming part is about either but you don't get how someone with a Japanese name is passingly related to a Japanese themed chapter?
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>>3997838
Well then you already know the only reason Yagi gets posted here is because the anons who post him want the thread to go to shit, as they have admitted.
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>>3997849
I post and remember him because he's funny and makes me happy.
Why don't you take your incorrect assumption and go cry about it to yourself over on /v/?
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>>3997851
>I post and remember him because he's funny and makes me happy
That's really sad and weird.
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>>3997706
>I don't think I'd rest my head on a scrimblo's prosthetics even if I was tired, at that point I'd rather put my head on their chest.
Oh yeah, same, I'd rather have my face buried in his chest fluff and his arms wrapped around me, but also I just like the idea of him jokingly suggesting for me to use his incredibly not-soft thighs as a pillow, and me seriously taking him up on that, much to his surprise.
The joke is on him for underestimating how much I love him.
>Genuinely impressive how strong your love for that fox is, it overpowers all other scrimblos talked about here.
He is my favorite scrimblo to have come out of these threads by a long shot.
I expect to become fully insufferable when Oldentale gets to the part that has him in it, as I will not shut up about him for an indefinite period of time once I see more of him.
I will keep drawing and talking about him for a significant chunk of a year once he gets his time in the spotlight.
This is not a threat, it is a promise.
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>>3997848
>>3997851
You gonna actually prove that Toby based Ralsei on Yagi or are you just here to stir the pot?
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>>3997852
I'd say it's way more sad and weird to be genuinely mad about some guy you've never spoken to than to find a moderately appealing character design appealing.
What next, it's sad and weird to like fangames?
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>>3997849
>>3997858
Don't you have better things to be doing?
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>>3997851
>he's funny and makes me happy
It's not a character with any defined personality traits and the only thing to talk about with it is the schizo theories about the person who created it, which is why people (I am a different anon than the previous one) don't want it to be talked about. It enabled the stalker who spammed their theory enough for it to become infamous.
This is not a W.D. Gaster equivalent like you're claiming, people aren't trying to "cover up the truth" by telling you not to post it, you're being told not to post it because there's a mentally unwell person obsessed with what they think the creator of the OC is.
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>>3997682
>doing what they gave their life to stop you from doing would be a good way to repent
Look anon is probably still going through with it, but doing what he wanted in the first place is not repenting to that specific now dead character.
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>>3997859
>>3997860
Maybe post an actual fangame character, huh?
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>>3997853
Sounds to me like he's your favorite scrimblo of all time in general
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>>3997861
>It enabled the stalker who spammed their theory enough for it to become infamous.
Right, that stalker, that REALLY REALLY definitely likes him.
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>>3997866
Still tied with Ceroba actually, by virtue of Ceroba effectively making me feel like I had a soul inside me again when I was going through some rough times.
I love Reynault a lot, he's definitely earned his spot of being tied for first place, but thinking about Ceroba is a decent chunk of what kept me going through last year, albeit at the cost of some of my sanity, at the time at least.
I don't know what could top that, so he's tied for now.
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>>3997861
The more you obsess with thread personalities while claiming that you aren't the same person, the less I believe you. Though I suppose it really doesn't matter if there are two faggots trying to police the thread in here instead of just one. Neither of you are getting what you want.
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>>3997869
I mean he barely exists right now and has already taken total control of your mind for about months now, if Oldentale ever releases you're going to lose your head
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>>3997870
Where's the yagi fangame, faggot.
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>>3997873
He's technically been in an oldentale tier tech demo, naranja and there may have been a warioware type game with him in it.
And two of the devs were banned.
I don't think you want to try that line of attack
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>>3997868
That was a fun thread. Either someone called in a favor or the janny was having a giggle.
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>>3997872
>I mean he barely exists right now and has already taken total control of your mind for about months now
He's got a few official drawings and stories made of him, he exists more than some actual Deltarune characters that people obsess over, I'd say I'm okay.
Anyway, it's actually been a little over a month since I first started thinking about him to any major extent, since I first started talking about him more on March 8th, though my feelings for him had not developed to the extent they exist at now by then.
>if Oldentale ever releases you're going to lose your head
*When* it comes out, I'll be fine.
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>>3997870
I don't really think there's a point to arguing with this guy, I'm pretty sure he's been having a full on meltdown both here and on /v/ for the past hour.
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gonna be using these tiles from ch 5 into DRY
maybe I will finally stop procrastinating and resume work after it is out
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>>3997875
>And two of the devs were banned.
nta, but any evidence for this? shit just doesn't pan out sometimes. like when was the last we heard from the martlet dating sim guy?
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>>3997875
I thought the modelfag had them banned.
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>>3997882
I'm not sure what happened with the Warioware dev, but I'm pretty sure when the guy that made the tech demo where you played as the Yogurorb said he'd be back after work or something.
And then never posted again, that's a little suspicious.
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>>3997879
Three months, three months I meant.
Yeah, I'm still tired, sorry.
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>>3996741
I’m not involved with whatever discourse is happening so please don’t accuse me of being shit dick schizo, but do Undertale Yellow fans really think Ceroba is going to appear? Wouldn’t that be pretty unfair to other interpretations of the yellow soul journey and other fangames?
>Inb4 so sorry and Muffet
Neither have appeared in DR, and they were added with huge amounts of money before anybody knew what UT was
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>>3997884
that's not evidence, anon. that's not even suspicious. op being a faggot and not delivering is the bread and butter of this site.
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>>3997859
Fangames are related to UT/DR. What you like is a forced meme made by a mentally ill guy obsessed with some random person he INSISTS is related to UT/DR but will never actually prove it because he can't. Literally /utg/ tier e-personality worship.
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>>3997888
>but do Undertale Yellow fans really think Ceroba is going to appear?
... what?
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>>3997888
>do Undertale Yellow fans really think Ceroba is going to appear?
No?
I don't think anyone seriously believes that.
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>>3997888
>do Undertale Yellow fans really think Ceroba is going to appear?
No? Maybe some retards on reddit, but not here.
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>>3997888
Honestly this post is so dumb I can't help but assume you're trying to engage in meaningless shitflinging.
People here like both but recognize that Yellow is supplemental fan material.
Hell the whole thread is here you can just read that literally nobody said that.
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>>3997900
damn these people work fast
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>>3997900
cute kanako
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>>3997898
I’m not really referring to anybody here. I mean posts I’ve seen outside of here
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>>3997875
>And two of the devs were banned.
oh lord, trying to push this nonsense again?
nta but It's this kind of nonsense that makes me believe that you're just trying to stir up shit. No one got fucking banned for posting a half baked sprite test. Also while not everyone is interested in oldentale, people have interest in it because it's got a lot of lore, characters and ideas well formed, even before that little tech demo. Oldentale has something for peoples minds to chew on. There's nothing for me to really 'ponder' when it comes to yagi other than the arguments that go nowhere and produce nothing.

Hell we recently had godot anon show back up talking about how he felt when he didn't continue his work, pretty much confirming that sometimes devs feel like shit when they decide to stop working on something. It's not some conspiracy where some dude got perma'd over this shit.
Genuinely get real.
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>>3997697
>>3997699
Good work finishing this anon, I hope it did accomplish that goal of making you feel at least a small bit better.
It was a nice angle having him take the offer of an uncomfortable resting place so comfortably.
>>3997700
>Sorry to the anon who I had promised earlier that I would go to bed at 4:00 am
just try not to run yourself into the ground too hard anon. even if we're machines, machines need proper maintenance.
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>>3997900
>>3997901
I think people who are worried that chapter 5 will erase dry and uty (and even naranja) from peoples minds and wills don't understand how strong the brainworm is.
The fox nonsense will continue until morale improves.
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>>3997884
>>3997882
I remember the Warioware guy saying he actually was banned, at least from posting images. Then he disappeared. Not too much of a leap to believe the jannies upgraded him to a full ban. Of course that could've been for unrelated reasons.
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>>3997888
No, that was just a joke. Just like people joking about 2hu characters appearing in the game.
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>>3997904
Yeah no this is pointless.
>There's no point to discussing "yagi"
>There's nothing there to discuss
Yeah, because the past 2 hours has just been a tantrum because of a dumb joke post while projecting that other people want to shit up the thread.
I don't care if you're "nta" or not.
This is stupid.
>>3997880
Was right.
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>>3997898
Someone in /v/ was joking about it, but that anon may be genuinely retarded if he thought it was serious.
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>>3997907
>Good work finishing this anon, I hope it did accomplish that goal of making you feel at least a small bit better.
Thank you, and yes, it helped a little.
Mostly the bit I wrote towards the end of Reynault scratching Anon's head, this is something I'm going to think about for a while.
God I want him so much...
>just try not to run yourself into the ground too hard anon. even if we're machines, machines need proper maintenance.
Yeah, I know.
For whatever it's worth, I went to bed not too long after posting all that, at around six in the morning.
Ended up being woken up at around ten or so, because more construction, so I guess I'll just have to wait until that's all over until I can get a proper night's rest.
I tried, if nothing else.
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>>3997900
>>3997901
I like how they drew the light world with a white background and the dark world with a black background. Wish Deltarune stuck to that kind of color coding after chapter 1.
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>you telling me to fuck off means that you're having a meltdown!
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>>3997908
You don't get it, Toby Fox will personally kill MasterSwordRemix, DRYanon and Naranjanon (alongside all the devs from the other soul prequels) the moment chapter 5 releases, we must say goodbye to them while we still have time
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>>3997910
>Then he disappeared
and then he came back and drew something else again a while after.
Also around that time there was someone posting that they got banned for abusing the catbox, which could be connected.
No one is getting banned for posting yagi.
>>3997912
It's stupid because instead of just talking about the thing you want to talk about, every time you guys get pulled into this shitflinging argument over nothing.
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>>3997904
Assuming that guy was banned is silly, but so is seething over literally who nothingburgers. Both of you should really try discussing things you like rather than getting into flame wars.
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>>3997908
>>3997921
if ch 5 contradicts anything from my DRY plans, I have 2 ideas to counterattacks some specific points
if it is something else, then I will just label DRY as an AU officially and keep going, I won't change my overall plans no matter what happens
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>>3997917
>Ended up being woken up at around ten or so, because more construction, so I guess I'll just have to wait until that's all over until I can get a proper night's rest.
>I tried, if nothing else.
they can't keep constructing forever (unless it's the dallas highway system).
they have to let you get some sleep one of these days.
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>>3997927
I think it's a case by case basis, maybe something that cant be done because of deltarune decanonizing it is easily fixable and wouldnt compromise the overall vision of dry
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>>3997922
>and then he came back and drew something else again a while after.
Bans are usually temporary. Even if they are "permanent" evading them is so easy most people will do it by accident eventually.

>No one is getting banned for posting yagi.
Probably not. But it is within the realm of possibility. We've all seen how petty jannies can be on this site.

Anyways, isn't there something you'd rather talk about? We'd already be past it by now if someone didn't bog everything down with a flame war.
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>>3997920
Is meltdown not an appropriate way to describe being mad at a single post for two hours straight and crying that nobody is ever allowed to post about it ever again?
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>>3997928
>they have to let you get some sleep one of these days.
In theory, but we'll see how things play out.
At least now that I don't have any major projects ongoing now, I probably don't have much of a reason to stay up any longer than I usually plan to, so I should be able to go to sleep on time for a little while now, even if I might not be able to actually sleep as long as I want to.
For now, I press forward, tired as I may be.
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>>3997933
well, one person wants to post about things that arent fangames, the other wants the fangame threads to be about fangames.
i know who's side im picking.
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>>3997932
>But it is within the realm of possibility. We've all seen how petty jannies can be on this site.
jannies can not ban, and the way that poster described his issue with image posting, it didn't sound like a ban, but more like a proxy issue. I feel confident that no one has gotten banned over yagiposting.
>>3997924
while you may not believe me, I am not seething. I thought the little "lol internet" yagi drawing the other day was neat. I just do not like the whole "everyone is getting banned" conspiracy. /vrpg/ hardly has the moderation present to do that.
I'm not going to engage in this any further. My final word on the matter is please just stop engaging in half baked conspiracies over why you can't create or discuss something and just discuss the thing itself if you want to so much. I will not take up any more time today arguing about arguing.
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>>3997936
nta, but thread policing is automatically going to make people want to oppose you, just on principle. Its the kind of thing that gets you called a wannabe janny. I understand if you dislike it, but this whole site runs on contrarianism, so getting into fights over it like this is only going to make more people join in on the opposing side just to spite you.
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>>3997940
or maybe anons are sick and tired of you (you ARE that anon) waving around a flag that says "PLEASE PLEASE MENTALLY ILL SHITPOSTER, COME TO OUR THREADS!"
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>>3997927
glad to hear that, honestly it would be crushing to hear one of the games here cancelled over differences with Toby lore.
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>>3997940
>thread policing is automatically going to make people want to oppose you
Sounds like /b/ rhetoric
>waaah let me post whatever I want even if it's off-topic because if you oppose me I'll do it more on purpose to spite you
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>>3997939
>jannies can not ban,
I was using the term as a pregorative for janitors and moderators.

>I feel confident that no one has gotten banned over yagiposting.
Eh, maybe during that big shitshow on /v/ it happened. Huge flame wars like that tend have that kind of stuff happen. For these threads, it probably didn't happen, but I won't rule it out, mainly because I don't like to make statements that could be false. In my eyes its better to just say "Its possible, but unlikely" than flat out "it didn't happen" when I can't definitively prove one way or the other if it did or didn't happen.

Anyways, yeah that anon is being silly assuming people are being banned over it.
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>>3997945
It's always been /b/ rhetoric
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>>3997943
Its more than one anon. I don't care much for yagi personally beyond thinking the stuff around it is pretty funny, but I would be a liar if I said people trying to prevent any mention of him didn't make me want to like him out of spite. That's just how this site works, you tell people "no, you absolutely can not do this" and they're gonna want nothing more than to do it.

Besides, I don't think that guy, if he existed at all, is still around. Or if he is, he seems to have moved on to some other obsession.

>>3997945
Well, /b/ was the first board on this site, and it set the tone and culture for all the following boards. Like it or not, that is how this site works.
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>>3997945
nta but yes, welcome to 4chan
enjoy your stay and stop trying to control shit because it will never work
trying to can and will make dipshits do it even harder just to spite you
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>>3997947
I know I said I gave my "final word" but
>I was using the term as a pregorative for janitors and moderators.
that's fair, it's just that moderators are site wide and have a habit of ignoring small boards like this one.
>Eh, maybe during that big shitshow on /v/ it happened.
and yeah I can see that happening.
not trying to continue the argument on my side of things, but when I was going through the archives, the /v/ ut/dr threads did have a shitshow over it so maybe there, though that was about a year back now.
>but I won't rule it out, mainly because I don't like to make statements that could be false.
understandable, but I'm going off gut instinct here which I generally trust for 4chan matters (what a pathetic super power). What's more likely is either the anon decided to stop making the little thing he was working on, or got banned from something else (there was a poster that mentioned he had gotten banned from /v/ specifically for instance for posting lewds outside of a catbox).

Like I said, not continuing the argument just, admitting fairs fair for what you said.
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>>3997956
I'm going to continue calling you a nigger every time you try to force your shitty meme, sorry. If you find it fun to do it just so you can get called a nigger by me, by all means.
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>>3997955
>>3997956
>STOP TELLING ME TO BE ONTOPIC!
mmmm i dont think i will.
talk about fangames, stop talking about a shitposter OC.
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>>3997927
>>3997931
>>3997944
Still hilarious that of all the fangames, DRY1 weathered the storm of 3&4 the best. Meanwhile Deltatraveler got trashed so hard it all but killed the project.
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>>3997961
I'm honestly skeptical that deltatraveler is really coming back based on that recent blogpost they did. If they don't have the willpower to weather the storm, how are they going to feel when chapter 5 drops before they've even properly continued development?

Also I hope Naranja anon isn't the type to be stopped if the orange flower has a personification he doesn't like. I assume his autism is stronger than that.
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>>3997959
>>3997960
i have no horse in this race, but it's also very obvious you're newer here anons
like i said, enjoy your stay and you'll learn quick or become the thing you hate, probably the latter
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>>3997959
and I'll call you a nigger for doing that.
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>>3997964
"you're le new because you insult people when they shit up threads" has never worked and will never work.
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>>3997964
i will not stop telling you to be on topic.
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>>3997969
>you insult people when they shit up threads
It's been 3 hours and you're still crying over a single post that wasn't even meant to be taken seriously or the start of a long conversation because you have a personal grievance with the character in it.
If anyone is shitting up the thread, it's you.
Quit being a hypocrite.
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>>3997969
yes it's called taking the bait and you seem to do it gleefully like a newfag, anon
good job
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>>3997972
you have to get dirty if you want to clean up the street.
stop being off topic, stop posting about a shitposter OC.
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>>3997972
Don't bother with him. He's either trolling or genuinely too obsessed to care.
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>>3997973
"it's le bait" has also never worked. If you really didn't care you wouldn't be talking about this at all.
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>>3997972
No, I won't stop telling you to not force your shitty meme. Simply don't do that and the problem goes away, it's not like it belongs here anyways since it's not related to UT/DR.
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you know, I wasn't personally dissapointed by 3/4, and I'm still looking forward to chapter 5 and all, but I feel at this point like I just get more excited for fangame news. It just takes me back to the old days on starmen.net and the old internet feeling of being a part of something, even if my only part is really just being there when it happens.
I imagine Toby could probably relate a little, and while I don't actually think he's HERE, I wonder if he takes the time to look at what fangames are being made, or if it makes him nostalgic for the old days as well.
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Should probably find that archive with the anons who said they exclusively post yagi because it causes chaos.
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>>3997976
oh i do care now because of you being a dipshit, im not even the person you were talking to
stop taking the bait anon, spamming le and nigger doesn't magically make you fit in, it only ousts you as a giant faggot
if you really do care this much then you'll learn to stop responding
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Stop giving it attention. It's clearly a falseflag at this point. Every time you respond to eachother it just makes another response get fired back. Be the change you want to see.
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>>3997904
>>3997922
>>3997939
Baffling this is they tried to blame it on the modelfag for some reason way back when
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>>3997981
I don't care about "fitting in" because I'm not insecure. And I won't stop responding. Sounds like that's a lesson YOU need to learn since you love it so much.
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>>3997982
Those are some very defined Roba thighs
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>>3997982
the change i want is for these threads to stop being used as a trash bin.
ignoring it clearly hasnt worked.
ergo, i will tell the trash to fuck off and stay on topic when it pops up.
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>>3997987
ignoring it actually does a pretty good job considering how good our threads are on average. It does more than getting into a 200 post back and forth at least.
>>3997985
thighs are quite nice what can I say.
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>>3997984
proving the point lmao
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>>3997979
I got a new idea for a picture with Jevil in it.
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>>3997988
You really should take your own advice and stop replying to him as well, anon. He's clearly not going to stop, so just don't bother arguing with him.
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>yagifags outright admit that they will post off-topic stuff exclusively to spite randos
>this objectively comes at the expense of fangame discussion
>you are not allowed to call this what it is or faggots will seethe
Seen the same shit on /co/.
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>>3997988
if ignoring it worked, then why do we still have that one guy posting yagi?
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there's some weird ships out here, and while the art is kind of nice
I can't imagine Ceroba being able to tolerate Papyrus's shenanigans for long.
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Put down the bottle anons, or this really will go on forever.
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>>3997994
Gotta wonder where the idea of this even came from. The only connection I can see is that they're both tall.
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>>3997992
Dude, it's been 3 hours you're never going to convince you sperging out for 3 hours contributing nothing is secretly making the thread better
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>200+ posts when looking away
>assume it's about the chapter release date
>it's about some faggoty drama
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>>3997997
Its about the idea of papyrus being one of the very few people who could cheer ceroba up
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>>3997999
unfortunately there is precious little to be gleaned from the announcement beyond what we already knew going in besides like, maybe carol has more to do with this chapter's darkworld than we thought
personally i'm hoping for an east vs west motif considering asgore's love of westerns and cowboys
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>>3997997
I've seen some "ceroba papyrus gangster au" stuff before but it wasn't clear if it was shipping or not (well, maybe someone else would have been able to tell at first glance)
I genuinely can not think of anything that would draw the two together. Like yeah Ceroba needs someone that could help keep her on her feet after all she's been through, but I feel like Papyrus would strike her the same way 'north star' did.
>>3998001
I just don't think she has a lot of patience for "acts" and the big "gusto". She seems to lose her patience with stuff like that.
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>>3997999
>>3998002
we will probably know more in 2 weeks when the chapter is actually out, but until then we can only speculate
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>>3997999
Don't acknowledge it.

Anyways, I think there's not much to say about the release date at this point. I guess I could say that I wish it were later. The massive wait between 2 and 3 genuinely made me come to like the liminal state Deltarune existed in, and being a fangame dev, it was nice not having the main game forcing me forward by fears of being overshadowed or beaten to the punch on things, or even worse having the lore change under my feet. (still not happy about the stuff in the stream)
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>>3997998
its simple.
all you have to do is stop posting about off topic shitposter OCs, and nobody will have a problem.
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>>3998003
And north star x ceroba is a functionally good ship, your point being?
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>>3998001
Why Papyrus though? Why not Starlo?
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>>3998009
I THINK THE PRETTY FOX LADY GOES PRETTY WELL WITH THE HANDSOME SKELETON ACTUALLY!
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>>3998002
Maybe the flowers will represent Carol's influence taking over Asgore's life, while Asgore himself is basically the only cowboy thing left in the shop, being some kind of wild west lawman.
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>>3998006
just stick to your guns or come up with a justification if some (small) things don't align
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>>3997992
I saw the same exact behavior on a general I used to frequent on /vg/ like 6 years ago. Down to the "nooo don't insult them that's feeding the trolls!!" rhetoric. The funny thing is that general was known for having a much higher concentration of twitter newfags than any other.
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>>3998008
North star x Ceroba is not. Starlo x Ceroba where he occasionally drops into his north star persona is.
the issue with Papyrus here is that he is always in his full throttle mode, something I think would wear on her the same way she felt about Starlo living 24/7 as North star did.
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>>3998009
Who knows, maybe they wanna keep their starlo x dalv ship while giving ceroba a starlo-esque bf? i'd still pick starlo x ceroba ofc
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>>3998008
All the more reason for her to be shipped with Starlo instead of Papyrus, of all people.
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>>3998010
You'd be happier with the bird lady, she likes puzzles and is in some dire need of cheering up.
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>>3998007
Clearly not since you're the one doing that.
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>>3998017
Sorry, Martlet is either for me, or Grillby
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>>3998018
>no u
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>>3998006
> I guess I could say that I wish it were later. The massive wait between 2 and 3 genuinely made me come to like the liminal state Deltarune existed in
I was convinced chapter 5 would release on december, I wish it did, despite liking chapter 3 and 4 I started to enjoy the wait period.
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>>3998018
i've never posted yagi in my life.
i am actually telling you to stop posting yagi.
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>>3998021
Fuck no, i want chapter 5 now
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>>3998019
>Grillby
Why?
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>>3997998
>accusations of samefagging
Saw that too.
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>>3998012
My justification will just be "fuck it, canon can kiss my ass" because that's how far off from what I've written Toby's lore changes seem to be. Anyways, I'm more concerned about stealing my thunder, as silly as that sounds. Worried about Toby having the same idea, doing it first, and making my ideas seem retroactively like just a derivative retread. I know its a fangame, but I wanted to try and make a new spin on the ideas and concepts in the original games and go to new territory for the series.

I know this is all silly, but the Japan themed dark world is going to make me a little rattled regardless.
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>>3998028
oh I already came to terms that it will happen anyway in my project, and honestly I don't care at this point, I'll keep going with my idea and just doing some tweaks here and there as needed, even if it is something much simpler than whatever toby cooked up
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>>3998026
I never said you were pretending to be multiple people.
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>>3998010
Sorry pal, 'fraid the fox is for human men only.
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>>3998021
Honestly, I'd be happy if we had another multi year wait like the one between chapter 1 and 2. Gives me more breathing room to work on my game.

As it is I was right about to get back to work, and now I'm gonna have to drop everything and play Deltarune to keep from being spoiled. I'm even gonna have to replay chapter 4, since I never properly beat it. (my chapter 4 completion file still has the 10,000 health I cheated in to get the Titan over with on release week).
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>>3998025
I think Martlet could use encouragement and support, but I get the impression that she'd be frazzled by someone with too high of an energy level, or alternatively held back by someone who wants to do everything for her. Grillby, being a bartender generally should be pretty good at listening, his appearance makes him seem a bit more mature compared to most monsters, and so I can imagine him being someone that would listen to Martlet's woes, but also encourage her in a very adult way, not by giving grandstanding speeches, but by standing behind her and supporting her in her own decisions.
letting her succeed and fail, and being a warm place to return to.

Martlet, being named Martlet represents "continuous effort" and she's not going to stop trying, but she could use emotional stability to help ground her when things get overwhelming.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk about shipping.
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>>3998031
Uh huh
>Dude, it's been 3 hours you're never going to convince you sperging out for 3 hours contributing nothing is secretly making the thread better
>>3998017
Bird lady is for Starlo
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>>3998030
Yeah, but the entire nature of my project exists the way it does to facilitate this. So making peace with that is like ripping half the soul out of it. Granted not making peace with it, and trying to work around that would mean ripping the other half of it out. So I'm screwed either way if it does that.

I'm not gonna scrap the project over it, but man does it really sting.
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>>3998035
Yes, you participating in a 3 hour long spergout over a single post is not going to convince anyone you're reasonable here.
Do something productive.
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>>3998035
>Bird lady is for Starlo
Starlo is for Roba, or Mooch if Chujin comes back.
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>>3998033
To continue this, I'm actually starting to dread chapter 5's imminent release, because that means I *HAVE TO* play it to avoid spoilers. And I can't just wait till I'm in the mood because that would mean not posting here (because there's not way these threads wouldn't spoil the hell out of it in the months it'd take me to want to play it) and spoilers would ruin the game.
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I wish chapter 5 was a little further out because I still need to go back and beat the Knight without the mantle in my unpatched copy of the game and then do all of chapter 4 again after.
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I wish chapter 5 would come out after because I fucking lost my save file for Deltarune and now I have to replay the entire thing with all the secrets in two save files again
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>>3998040
Man, its gonna suck playing Deltarune out of obligation.
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marty is for starlo so clover can have a mom and dad
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Damn, the flame war stops and everybody just leaves?
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>>3998040
I can't speak for everyone but I'm fine not posting any spoilers for a bit, to be polite especially since devs might be working on their games and won't have time to play it right away.
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>>3997962
>Also I hope Naranja anon isn't the type to be stopped if the orange flower has a personification he doesn't like. I assume his autism is stronger than that.
Not gonna lie, it will sting me a little if Toby does make a darkner based on the orange flower. I knew Naranja was never going to be 100% canon since I've already made some additions in the lore, but anyway, that won't change my plans for the game or demotivate me, it will just rub my autism the wrong way, I've seen Oldentale anon tank something worse and the DRYanons already have to write around whatever lore the new chapters bring, this would be nothing compared to that.

>>3998028
>I'm more concerned about stealing my thunder
So I'm not the only one, Chapter 3 and 4 already used multiple ideas I had planned for UTN, I'm still gonna use them, but now people will think I'm being derivative of those chapters.
One of those ideas was climbing over a huge monster while it grows in a platfroming section, Chapter 4 kinda did that with the titan
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>>3998040
back when ch 3 and 4 came out people here at least used spoiler tags
but avoiding it everywhere else online will be a challenge
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>>3998048
I'm gonna drop everything just to play chapter 5, last year I already got spoiled through YouTube thumbnails, it was a minor thing but it was still annoying, I almost got spoiled of the Gerson fight that way, fortunately I had fought Gerson early that day, so I managed to avoid the spoiler just in time.
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>>3998048
The problem is that it'll take weeks or months for me to be in the mood to play Deltarune.

>>3998051
> Chapter 3 and 4 already used multiple ideas I had planned for UTN,
I've already had that happen too, but it was only minor stuff like similar designs or names. I guess there was one character and section, but I probably would've cut that stuff anyways even without the new chapters covering it.

>spoiler
I wouldn't spoil stuff like that if I were you.

>I've seen Oldentale anon tank something worse
The orange flower would be worse. The streams were all explicitly non-canon, this flower would be in the game on screen. Honenstly, if Toby did something like that to me, I don't know if I could recover if it was that level of canon. Maybe I could still make the game, but it would be a game with a crippled limb.
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>>3998053
Yeah, but as I said before, they're not gonna do it for as long as I need. Plus even if I did, once I finish and want to discuss it, the discussion will have moved well past where I'm at.
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>>3998051
>Not gonna lie, it will sting me a little if Toby does make a darkner based on the orange flower. I knew Naranja was never going to be 100% canon
Val will always be canon in my heart.
But still I get what you mean, Just know that I'm pretty sure everyone who has gotten their hands on naranja is excited to see the journey of this particular orange soul, even if it grates your autism. I'm glad to see you'll keep on keeping on though.
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>>3998055
I get it's like, you know "the" option for video online (I won't really call it videosharing the site is fairly hostile to that).
But I'm kind of surprised people still like, actively use youtube these days.
Like especially with the fucked up metric that said a fifth of what's been put on youtube since like 2023 is just straight AI slop (It's really inaccurate for a variety of reasons, they're counting movies and shows uploaded to youtube TV) and them quietly just deleting most of their backlog of videos to make room up for the garbage they're trying to push on people.
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Maybe I should just sever all my connections and interest in Deltarune. That might save me the pain of forcing myself through it or avoiding spoilers for months and months in the one thread I spend the most time.
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>>3998065
I mean if everyone takes a little break in a couple weeks the thread will still be here when people are ready to post.
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>>3998067
I can't go a couple of weeks without posting here.
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>>3998051
>now people will think I'm being derivative of those chapters.
NTA, but it was always going to be the case that some people will get the wrong idea about UTN, or any fangame that comes out of here.
Unless you or the other devs have some other board or forum where you discuss your games and ideas, we're the only ones privy to your thought processes that go into making these games, while everyone else only gets to see the games themselves, assuming they don't explicitly try and track these threads down.
It's a shame, but it pretty much inherently means people are going to come to their own conclusions on why the fangames are the way they are, unless you feel inclined to try and explain everything and maintain some kind of presence once the game's out just to make sure people see the games the way you want them to, but that's basically a fool's errand.

At least we'll know the deal.
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>>3997944
It would be odd for a fangame not dependent on "canon" to be completely cancelled over some difference with canon. But then again, Deltarune artists are not known for great decisions.
Anyway, have a shitpost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyMX_qs8M4
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>>3998046
This is the way
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>>3998069
Sure they'll come to their own conclusions, but those conclusions are controlled by the stimuli they receive. I can very strongly influence what conclusion people come to by how I make my game. Now when they see my game, they'll see it after they've already seen the things that Deltarune did, and they'll see the release date of mine is after chapter 5, so they'll think I'm just like those stupid kids who can't do anything but retread Undertale and Deltarune.

What matters is how the average player sees it. You guys don't count since you're closer to an extended dev team than proper players with how much I've shared with all of you and how much of a personal connection you have to its development.
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>>3998051
Anon, but the soul flower has been basically confirmed already a long time ago. It will probably just help you to flesh out Val's character more

>afraid of being derivative because you are not fast enough

Yeah, that does hurt a lot... Many such cases...
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>>3998074
Hell, even if I told them and linked them these threads, I'd just come across as sad, desperate, and seeking approval, and get a "sure buddy" in response.
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>>3998057
>I've already had that happen too, but it was only minor stuff like similar designs or names.
There was something much bigger that had me worried about it at first, but I gave it less importance over time, I think the similarities aren't that big once you look into it.

>I wouldn't spoil stuff like that if I were you.
Its not as important as it sounds, I think most people would forget about it by the time we reach that point anyway.

>The orange flower would be worse. The streams were all explicitly non-canon
Maybe, but the entire fandom (outside of here) treats those streams as if it they were canon.
>this flower would be in the game on screen. Honenstly, if Toby did something like that to me, I don't know if I could recover if it was that level of canon. Maybe I could still make the game, but it would be a game with a crippled limb.
As I've said before, I had already made peace with the fact that Naranja would never be canon, the game is already "competing" with other orange fangames, there would always be people that see UTN as less or more canon than other orange fangames. My take on the orange soul isn't any more valid than the others.
Anyway, we are talking about a worst case scenario, a chance of the flower not even showing up on chapter 5, or maybe there is an orange flower darkner that plays a major role and becomes a fan favorite, its just a game of RNG.

>>3998062
>Val will always be canon in my heart.
But still I get what you mean, Just know that I'm pretty sure everyone who has gotten their hands on naranja is excited to see the journey of this particular orange soul, even if it grates your autism.
Thanks, if it weren't for the support I get from these threads Naranja would have never gotten as much progress as it did, even if right now the game is still early in development, these threads are my main motivation to keep pushing forward
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>>3997908
UTY was always erased by the existence of UT. You know the spoon amalgamate? Kanako? UT labels that sprite as a man
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>>3998074
>Now when they see my game, they'll see it after they've already seen the things that Deltarune did, and they'll see the release date of mine is after chapter 5, so they'll think I'm just like those stupid kids who can't do anything but retread Undertale and Deltarune.
Well, you could always document your ideas and plans before the new DR chapters come out, have some kind of record that you had your story set before then so you can at least show that to people.
I understand where you're coming from with this, at least partially. I always get bummed when I see someone's done a drawing idea similar to something I wanted to do, nothing hurts quite like having your thunder seemingly stolen.
It sucks, but it's how it is.
Still, even if your ideas themselves end up being similar to Toby's, that doesn't mean your execution has to be.
You can still stand apart.
>What matters is how the average player sees it. You guys don't count
We don't count?
Aw man...
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>>3998079
And what? I don't think you can tell an amalgamate blob's gender from a passing view
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>>3998009
It’s funny if the universe hates Starlo so much that his crush ends up with another version of him
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>>3998077
I mean, should you really care if someone's trying to police your creative work because they don't approve of it for some nebulous reason?
It'd be really lame if someone started whining about Naranja because it was "non-canon" or some stupid non-reason to cry about you posting it?
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>>3998079
you don't understand what I'm saying. It will never erase it from the place that matters, the headspace of fans.
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>>3998069
I know, I'm not the most original person so it bothers me a bit when someone does my ideas before I can.

>>3998076
>Anon, but the soul flower has been basically confirmed already a long time ago.
I know the orange flower appeared for the first time on chapter 1, but at the time I didn't think much about it, I thought it was just a neat reference to the human souls, the idea of those flowers turning into darkners didn't cross my mind until I saw people talking about it here.
>It will probably just help you to flesh out Val's character more
I'm not confident when it comes to my characters, but Val is an exception, I got a pretty solid idea on him so any new information we get about the orange soul could easily contradict what I have planned.
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>>3997783
>Has a Japanese mansion
>The end art shows a desert

There is a non-zero chance that UTY devs helped with the development
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>>3998078
>I think most people would forget about it by the time we reach that point anyway.
I won't now that you've pointed it out.

>treats those streams as if it they were canon.
If they were canon and viewed as such, there would be much more fan content based on them. As it is the vast majority of stuff is based on what's in the games.

> I had already made peace with the fact that Naranja would never be canon, the game is already "competing" with other orange fangames
That''s good for you, but with me, I'd be actually fucked if there wasn't even the illusion of canon compliance from the start. Like if every player knew from minute one that none of this followed canon, that's the preface for my entire narrative arc and all the attached themes sunk right there.

The entire point I made the game the way I did is so that it would be so far removed from the main line games that I would never have to worry about all this stuff. Its kinda just fundamentally fucked if Toby fucked with things that hard.

That said, even being the made the worst copycat in the world isn't that bad. Damn is it bad, but its not that bad.
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>>3998046
I like those comics someone made of Starlo and Martlet not getting together, but still sharing custody of Clover. Yeah it's a pretty unrealistic way to handle custody, but it's still a cute idea that they love the little cowboy so much that they both want to adopt him, and come to an agreement.
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>>3998083
Its not about policing, its about getting the right reaction out of the player. I write for the audience and how it makes them feel. There's no point in putting any of this to paper if its only for me, might as well just leave it an idea in my head at that point.

If I can't get that reaction out of the player, then I've failed and all of this was for nothing.
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>>3998079
>UT labels that sprite as a man
As a man, or just MAN? Because that spoon may be something very different if that's the case.
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>>3998087
>The end art shows a desert
ITS A CHERRY BLOSSOM GROVE!
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>>3998091
Can you really say that someone who picked up your game disearnestly is someone you failed to reach?
Like if they had no intention of actually engaging with it at all and just wanted to yell at people for liking it, is it really something you need to worry and second guess yourself about?
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>>3998086
>orange flower appeared in chapter 1, but I didn't think much about it

But each chapter gave more and more proof that they are going to become soul flowers
>Kris's cactus turns into a darkner who remembers hin
>Asgore speaks to the flowers as if they are alive
>Toby says that Ralsei is "often mistaken for a flower"
>Toby says that DR is wish fullfillment for stuff that didn't happen in UT (Mettaton Neo, Gerson fight, and other things like that)

Them not appearing would be super lame...
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>>3998080
>Well, you could always document your ideas and plans before the new DR chapters come out, have some kind of record that you had your story set before then so you can at least show that to people
The player's not going to see that while playing, when it matters, and saying it wouldn't undo the emotional impact. And of course it would all come across as desperate and approval seeking.

> that doesn't mean your execution has to be.
A lot of this is a fear of my planned execution, which I have become very attached to, becoming derivative.

>We don't count?
>Aw man...
You're counted separately.
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>>3998086
>I know, I'm not the most original person so it bothers me a bit when someone does my ideas before I can.
I dunno, I think a lot of your ideas are pretty decently original, but I guess that's just me talking.
For one, I can't point to any characters in UTDR that are quite like the ones we've seen from UTN so far, but the UTN characters still feel like they fit in UT's world regardless.

It's possible the new chapter will have some ideas that'll overlap with your own, or they might not.
Either way, while I understand the feeling may not be great, I don't think things'll be too bad for you.
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>>3998093
With that huge swelter stone in the background? Remember that dark worlds don't naturally have a "sun"...
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>>3998094
>Can you really say that someone who picked up your game disearnestly is someone you failed to reach?
I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about people playing it, then not feeling grabbed or interested at all by all the things I put so much effort into, because it looks like I just lazily copied Toby, and it all feels like a bland retread. Or even worse them actively disliking it because of how much of a retread it feels like.

Very few people go into games with intentions, they gain those intentions while playing. I'm talking about the people who won't be interested, but would have been had I just gotten there sooner.
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>>3998086
it's always funny to me when you say you aren't confident in your characters, val aside, when that's one of the things people like the most about naranj
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>>3998086
>Val different from the orange flower

You could always say that due to the flower being cared and loved for, he grew up differently and didn't cope by pretending to be a dragon ball z super hero martial artist.
I think you are too doomy about this
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>>3998096
>The player's not going to see that while playing, when it matters, and saying it wouldn't undo the emotional impact.
Maybe, but it would at least shed some light on things.
>And of course it would all come across as desperate and approval seeking.
I think it depends on how exactly you show it off, but that is possible.
I just think showing off the general plans you had once you had everything set in place could help clear up any confusion if need be, once the game's out.
>A lot of this is a fear of my planned execution, which I have become very attached to, becoming derivative.
Well, what are you gonna do if it does seem derivative?
You know that it's not, you can't base your ideas on something you don't even know yet, so it's really just a fear of *seeming* derivative when your ideas were your own to begin with.
You shouldn't just change your ideas to try and course correct for what might happen, then you're just going down the same path as Deltatraveler, and that's nearly killed that project.
Again, it's not going to feel great, but would you really rather throw away everything you've designed just because of some incidental overlap?
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UTN might be able to use the difference between Kris and Frisk as a justification for Val being so different from the flower child. After all, it is an alternate universe, who says they have to be one to one?
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>>3998101
Nta, but that could mean that he still likes them, just that he's open to changing them unlike Val
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>>3998086
>spoiler
That other anon already said it, but I also think it's really funny that you lack confidence in your characters when just about every one of them became people's scrimblos after we learned more about them.
And for me in particular, since I'm usually very picky about what characters I do or don't care about, so I'd say you're doing well when it comes to making good characters.
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>>3998107
while that's probably what he's saying here, he's expressed these kinds of feelings about his character writing before. I'm just saying his character writing is actually great despite him feeling like it's his weakest point. Not that other aspects of the game aren't good too so far.
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>>3998105
>Maybe, but it would at least shed some light on things.
But shedding light isn't what I'm after. And this isn't covering how people likely won't care enough to read it if they've already been turned off by the game's derivative-ness.

>could help clear up any confusion if need be
The confusion isn't the issue. Its the lack of feeling. No amount of logic or explanation will fix that inability to feel excitement or awe.

>l, what are you gonna do if it does seem derivative?
The plan is to just stick with it despite that, and hope I still have drive to keep going after that.

>so it's really just a fear of *seeming* derivative when your ideas were your own to begin with.
What I feel on the subject doesn't matter. What the player feels (not thinks, not knows, *feels*) matters.

>You shouldn't just change your ideas to try and course correct for what might happen
I'm not gonna, this is just all really demotivating.

>but would you really rather throw away everything you've designed just because of some incidental overlap?
No, but I may end up losing motivation to continue. This is years of hard work I've signed up, with no pay, I'm doing this almost entirely for the emotional payoff of finishing it and people liking it. If I doubt I'm ever going to get that, I start to lose motivation to do the painful boring stuff to get to it.
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>chapter 5 actually DOES put The Roba on screen
>She's made into a lesbian with hints that she regrets her past marriage to chujin
>the yellow flower is a trans darkner
>there's a suspiciously manly blue bird character named "Mark"
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>>3998114
But unironically, if there ever has been a minor chance for an UTY reference now would be a perfect time
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>>3998114
>two trannies
No, that would be too samey. Instead the yellow flower will be gay (or pansexual if you really want representation points) for Kris.
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>>3998114
Never say any of these words again.
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>>3998117
>for Kris
no it would be for the red flower
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>>3998120
Is there a red flower? I thought it was replaced with a golden one.
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>>3998051
>the DRYanons already have to write around whatever lore the new chapters bring
for DRY2 my plans are mostly toby proof.
for the few things that can be shaken up, i have contingency plans that'll have minimal impact on the main story, unless its a ridiculous curveball that completely ruins DR's story... at which point it'd probably be better to ignore it, honestly.
as for the flower darkners, im not worried about them in the slightest. even if the yellow/blue flowers personalities are completely contradictory to cole/mylo's
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>>3998112
Well, I played your game, and I think it's pretty nice.
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>>3998122
there will be in the dark world to push the r/y agenda.
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>>3998116
the best way to do a yellow reference would be in the background, without hard confirming anything about the lore, as just a little nod.
Or having something like the swelterstone.
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>>3998117
>>3998120
>>3998125
>implying
toby's a foxgirl fucker.
if he references clover and implies a relationship its going to be with a fox darkner.
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>>3998124
I'm not Naranjanon.
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>>3998112
I wish I had something more to tell you, but ultimately we just don't know how things are going to shake out.
And I don't blame you, god knows I've spent a good chunk of my life worrying about the unknown, but if nothing else, I think you might not have as much to worry about here.
I think Toby's hard to predict. Even if there were some similarities to your ideas in chapter 3 and 4, I doubt you were on the money for too many of them, and I think most people would be willing to look past any minor similarities even when they do show up.

For whatever it's worth, even if some things end up feeling derivative, I don't think that's gonna ruin anything for a lot of people.
Take it from the resident picky bastard of the threads, UTN is one of the two fangames I actually give a damn about, so if you could appeal to me, I don't think you'll have trouble appealing to others, and you certainly haven't had trouble in these threads so far on that front.

I don't have a whole lot else to say. I just really hope that you don't lose hope.
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>>3998127
>if he references clover and implies a relationship its going to be with a fox darkner.
Hmm, so on one hand it will cause a surge of kanaclover power. On the other hand a lot of that will be lesbian kanaclover due to the toby effect.
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>>3998087
that's not a desert it is literally the field of pink and gold
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>>3998127
Toby is a yuri addict, is IQ gets lower whenever he gets the chance to turn a girl into a lesbian
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>>3998128
Oh, what game are you making then?
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>>3998129
see >>3998128
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>>3998128
NTA, but wait, when did that switch happen?
I swear to god I thought that was Naranjadev that whole time.
Guess I wasted that big dumb sappy response then, fuck.
Can't believe I got fucking Skullface'd.
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>>3998133
Oldentale. I'm surprised you couldn't guess by how much I'm dooming over the machinations of that maniacal fox.
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>>3998131
The field of pink and gold was simply charred by an inferno of jealousy and turned into a desert... and what are these rock spires then?
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>>3998135
well to be fair, naranja anon has definitely been in this conversation expressing his concerns even if he said he's going to keep through, so I'm sure your feelings still bounced off the wall and hit him.
struck him fatally in the back with love and sincerity. A terribly painful death where he has to live a long and fulfilling life before dying.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8jn2DyHzEk
Astral Disk put out another track from their cancelled fangame
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>>3998136
Oh, well then. You gotta work on your game dumb dumb. How can I tell you it's a fun game if you don't make it?
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>>3998140
getting some hazbin hotel vibes from these drawings
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>>3998135
I was replying to Naranjanon, then I think you joined in.

Anyways, most of it is still applicable

>>3998129
>Toby's hard to predict
That's the issue. I try to play into what he's doing and miss entirely, I try to stay out of his way and I walk right into his path.
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>>3998141
That was the plan for this month until the devious fifth chapter reared its ugly head. Now I'm contemplating whether to force myself through it on launch and have a bad time or give up my investment in Deltarune entirely for the sake of Oldentale.
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>>3998146
You can have both you know, if it was you saying you couldn't bare to be away from the threads for a bit maybe this would be good for you, take a little break, get some work done on your game play Deltarune and when you're all done with that you can show everyone what you did.
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>>3998144
>I was replying to Naranjanon, then I think you joined in.
Man, if I had a nickel for every time we ended up getting mixed up with each other, I'd have like three nickels.
To my knowledge, anyway.
>Anyways, most of it is still applicable
Yeah, basically just switch some words around and most of what I said applies in terms of how I feel about Oldentale too.
I mean, obviously I like Oldentale's characters and ideas and stuff, don't think I need to elaborate on that too much, so I think it goes without saying that I'd be incredibly upset if you lost hope to continue the project at any point.
Like, genuinely that would cripple a significant chunk of my desire to hang around here, that would suck massively.
So, even if I was aiming for the wrong target at first, I meant both of you. UTN and OT are the only two fangames here I care about, so I don't want either of you two calling it quits.
I'm rooting for you, even if things are uncertain.
Got that?
>That's the issue. I try to play into what he's doing and miss entirely, I try to stay out of his way and I walk right into his path.
Be that as it may, I don't think we know enough about which way he's going for the rest of the game, so I'd say it isn't time to panic just yet.
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>>3998033
Cone of shame for being such a noob
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>>3998149
>You can have both you know
I really can't. I either have to do all my canon deltarune obsessing now, because that's when its happening, in which case I won't have any time for Oldentale. Or I stick to Oldentale and don't have the time or energy to force myself through Deltarune when I'm not ready for it.

> maybe this would be good for you,
These threads are what keep me invested in development. Without the e constant reminder that people give a shit and will play it some day, and that it could get somewhere, I start to lose energy. And I can't work when I have no energy for something.

>get some work done on your game play Deltarune and when you're all done with that you can show everyone what you did.
I'm almost certainly not gonna have the energy or be in the right state of mind for dev if I do play Deltarune. Either I enjoy it, get really into it, and only have the capacity and desire to talk about it and nothing else for a couple weeks, or I have a very bad time with it because I'm forcing myself through it when I'm not ready, to avoid spoilers, and all the while I'm not allowed to engage with the threads because of said spoilers.

Basically my only options are drop everything and do Deltarune, and hope I have enough fun to justify that, or drop Deltarune, accept the spoilers and being out of the loop, and play it at my leisure.

I'm a very hyperfixation prone person, to the point that I can really only get anything done in binges. Trying to do a little bit here and a little bit there is like pulling teeth, its painful.
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>>3998074
>What matters is how the average player sees it. You guys don't count since you're closer to an extended dev team than proper players
Personally, I care more about the opinions of the people here than what the rest of the fandom might have to say, it is true that the personal connection can influence the opinion of anons, but still.

>>3998080
>We don't count?
You guys are like an upgraded fandom, your opinions matter more but don't necesarily represent the majority, at least thats how I see it.

>>3998088
>I won't now that you've pointed it out.
Ah, well, my fault for assuming you have a memory as bad as mine, I still doubt you'll be thinking about it all the time.

>If they were canon and viewed as such, there would be much more fan content based on them.
There were plenty of fanarts about it when it came out, I think most people just didn't see the streams, but the ones that did will see the new lore in them as canon.

>That''s good for you, but with me, I'd be actually fucked if there wasn't even the illusion of canon compliance from the start.
I guess, kinda funny how even going with the KOTOR aproach to things your game isn't fully safe from being hit with the decanonizing beam, in any case, I doubt we'll get more pre-war lore for Undertale so your game should be safe in that regard.

>That said, even being the made the worst copycat in the world isn't that bad. Damn is it bad, but its not that bad.
Yeah I know that feel.

>>3998091
>I write for the audience and how it makes them feel.
I mean, you still have us as your audince, and this fandom in general is pretty forgiving of derivative stuff, even if Toby uses some similar ideas to what you have planned, I doubt your execution of them will be the same as his.

>>3998095
Yeah, that become more apparent with the release of CH3 and 4, by that time I already knew they would appear in some form, but we still don't know how relevant they will be.
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>>3998151
I don't care. The Titan didn't deserve any engagement. Terrible mechanic, terrible character, terrible stylistic choices.
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>>3998097
>dunno, I think a lot of your ideas are pretty decently original, but I guess that's just me talking.
Well, Toby did say that if people played Earthbound/Mother 3 they would see how unoriginal he is, maybe its just because I know the direct source of my inspirations and thats what makes them feel less original, but in general I feel like I have less ideas than I should for a full game.
>For one, I can't point to any characters in UTDR that are quite like the ones we've seen from UTN so far, but the UTN characters still feel like they fit in UT's world regardless.
More than once I had the feeling of "Ah fuck, I just remade this one specific character" that feeling could dissapear over time.

>Either way, while I understand the feeling may not be great, I don't think things'll be too bad for you.
I already know what this feels like, as I've said before the latest Deltarune chapters used ideas very similar to ones I had.

>>3998101
The characters might sound fine on paper, but I'm worried about the execution, I've said more than once how writing dialogue is the hardest part of the dev process for me.
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>>3998155
>I've said more than once how writing dialogue is the hardest part of the dev process for me.
I know I know, I'm saying that since your execution has been great so far, it's kind of funny.

Maybe it's that feeling you get that the execution isn't going to be good, that has pushed you to make it as good as it is. So at the least, I'm not telling you to just stop caring about it or anything.
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>>3998104
>>3998106
Eh, I could use that as an excuse, even if I already made an idea on my head on how Val would be if he were in Deltarune

>>3998107
>3998108
>>3998110
I like my characters, I'm just not sure if I'll be able to do them justice once I have to actually put them on the game

>>3998135
I've been mistaken for Oldentale anon before, I guess it was only a matter of time until the opposite happened.
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>>3998154
titan made me sad when I was fighting it because I knew the chapter was almost over. Something I enjoyed about the end of dry chapter 2 was it gave me similar vibes
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>>3998158
>I've been mistaken for Oldentale anon before, I guess it was only a matter of time until the opposite happened.
Well, I hope that big dumb sappy speech got its point across anyway, even if I got Skullface'd.
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>>3998154
to each their own, but this isn't a thread for bellyaching about how toby fox personally victimized you.
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>>3998154
Mad cus bad, its one thing to not like the character, but you cant be talkin' shit when you need cheats to beat the titan.
Besides, the titan is more of a tool on a leash for the knight conspiracy's purposes
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>>3998156
>I know I know, I'm saying that since your execution has been great so far, it's kind of funny.
When it comes to writing I can rately tell when I'm doing a good job, sometimes I feel like a headless chicken running without direction, maybe its skill, maybe its luck, I dunno

>Maybe it's that feeling you get that the execution isn't going to be good, that has pushed you to make it as good as it is. So at the least, I'm not telling you to just stop caring about it or anything.
Ehhh, The thing is that this is still feels almost as hard as it felt when I first started, I need to write more if I want the characters to don't end up disappointing, but writing is hard and I can only write a few lines before I feel like I have to stop.

>>3998160
It does feel good to know there are people with high hopes on me, I'll try to do my best to my be best, even if I been procrastinating like a mother fucker this last month.
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>>3998153
>I care more about the opinions of the people here than what the rest of the fandom might have to say,
I don't care about the fandom, I care about the player. The person walking into it blind after playing Undertale (and optionally Deltarune). I want him to be wowed and amazed by it.

The people here can be players, but they'll be players walking in to a heavily spoiled game. Still important, but hardly what I should be calibrating the experience around.

> my fault for assuming you have a memory as bad as mine,
I'm cursed with memory that's absolutely shit when I need to remember something, and absolutely ironclad when I want to forget something. I'm also especially good at remembering story details. I can remember stories till the end of time.

>I still doubt you'll be thinking about it all the time
I'll probably be waiting for it the whole game now. Thinking "is this the guy" every time I see a candidate. That's just how my brain works.

>I think most people just didn't see the streams
Whether they saw it or not, the effect is the same. Most people simply don't view it as canon. Even if most of those people simply never viewed it at all.

>, you still have us as your audince,
Yeah, but you're too acquainted with me. That taints the experience. The game isn't just the game, but the story of the game, and you're involvement in it, and you're involvement with me. I want to see what the randos who've never once been in these threads or the other content producing side of the fandom think.

My greatest dream to is to one day see some literally who play Oldentale on youtube and like it. (realistic one anyways, I have plenty of ones that will never ever happen)
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>>3998158
If I were you, I would create a Naranja page on gamejolt. You can just not post anything in it yet, or post something basic.
If you are that concerned about being not seen as derivative
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>>3998155
>I know the direct source of my inspirations and thats what makes them feel less original, but in general I feel like I have less ideas than I should for a full game.
Eh, even if they feel derivative to you, you're the only one who actually knows the inspiration and thought process behind your own ideas, so it's likely most other people would see them as being more original than you think.
>More than once I had the feeling of "Ah fuck, I just remade this one specific character" that feeling could dissapear over time.
(Assuming you're Oldentale anon because this example only really works if so) I think I remember seeing you (presumably) jokingly lament that you accidentally made Reynault similar to Red from RubyQuest, but as you saw in my way-too-long rentry about RQ, I thought they really only had some basic surface-level similarities while being basically entirely different beyond that, so I think you might just be your own worst critic on that front.
And even if your characters are similar to other characters, that doesn't stop me from liking them all the same, as I've demonstrated multiple times previously, like that green I stayed up way too late writing last night.
>I already know what this feels like, as I've said before the latest Deltarune chapters used ideas very similar to ones I had.
I know, but I'm saying I think it's possible your fears may not end up being realized entirely, and it might just end up boiling down to a few more surface-level similarities again.
UTDR's kinda like Homestuck at this point, they both do so much in their stories that a lot of stories have *some* things in common with them, but very few stories are actually too similar to them beyond certain surface-level things.
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>>3998159
It just made me exhausted. I wanted nothing more than for chapter 4 to end. I was three days deep into a full internet embargo and had been playing well into the night by that point.

>DRY
I had a pretty bad experience with DRY for similar reasons. That's what's got me contemplating just living with the spoilers now. Forcing myself to play a game to avoid them makes it a really bad time.

>>3998161
Its not personal victimization. I just didn't like it, and don't feel bad about cheating because of that.

>>3998162
I can beat hard bosses, I just didn't want to beat the Titan. I beat Jevil and Spamton. The Titan just felt lame in basically every aspect, so all I wanted to do was get it over with so I could see the rest of the game.

>Besides, the titan is more of a tool on a leash for the knight conspiracy's purposes
Yeah, that's lame. So is it being a giant biblically accurate angel that shoots nuke lasers and has high fidelity animation. And it having an orchestral theme with lots of repetition.
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>>3998163
>It does feel good to know there are people with high hopes on me, I'll try to do my best to my be best
Good, I'm glad.
And like I said before, I'm a picky bastard when it comes to stuff around here, so I think the fact that I like UTN as much as I do (beyond just having questionable feelings towards your characters) is something of an accomplishment, if I may say so myself.
>even if I been procrastinating like a mother fucker this last month.
Well knock that off, I wanna see this game come out before the heat death of the universe, if you can manage it.
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>>3998163
>maybe its skill, maybe its luck, I dunno
probably not the answer you want to hear but it's usually a combination of luck, skill, and just who you are as a person informing how you write.
> I need to write more if I want the characters to don't end up disappointing, but writing is hard and I can only write a few lines before I feel like I have to stop.
and this ties into what was said before.
who you are lends a lot into what you try to put on the page even before you develop skills, learn to avoid this pitfall or that, then there's luck about just picking the right phrasing as you get better and better. The feeling may never go away or it may get better gradually, but there's no one single source that solves the entire question.
I've read things from complete beginners that just sucked to read and experience through, and I've seen beginners put stuff forward semi-consistently that makes me want to see more.
you see this more if you expose yourself to beginner writing circles too. A lot of times the people who aren't willing to allow criticism (outside of here you generally have to ask or be given permission to give criticism) also are people who's writing doesn't have any feeling of sincerity or fails to fit the characters.
then I see people who expose themselves to criticism and you can see they are new, and are making some major mistakes, but there's a quality to it due to the kind of person writing it.

I think if you keep on putting effort forward in the way you have been (excluding that yes, it's ok to slack off and procrastinate some), then you'll do just fine and keep getting better at this.
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>>3998169
>I just didn't want to beat the Titan
And yet that didnt motivate you to beat it with your own strength instead of cheating? Just admit you jobbed hard and got salty
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>>3998166
I think that actually is Naranjanon you're replying to here. Not me.

Anyways, I actually feel really good about my writing, which is why it feels like such a gut punch when I get shown to be derivative or have my writing otherwise made to look bad.

Anyways, I still disagree about Red and Reynault not being similar. But that may just be my "ignore details in favor themes" philosophy talking. Not that it bothers me. Reynault being similar is just funny to me.

And as for the similarities that bother me, its the ones to Deltarune and Undertale, because I set out with the goal of differentiating Oldentale from them so that players of them could get a new experience while seeing new spins on existing ideas from them. So even if the similarities are surface level, that doesn't really matter. What matters is that they are similar. And people will notice that.
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>>3998173
Losing doesn't motivate me to win. What's the point of winning a fight I had no interest in fighting? Why would I waste effort on that?

Call me a jobber all I want. I know I could've beaten it if I really wanted to sit down for an hour or two, but I really did not want to spend a minute longer than I had to on that fight or that chapter. It had thoroughly worn out its welcome (the chapter, not the titan. the titan I was rolling my eyes at the instant I saw it)
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>>3998175
*call me a jobber all you want
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This might be the chapter that brings out the big bastard. While I don't think it'll kill fan theories and headcanons as much as 3+4 did, some things will inevitably age like milk. Do (You) accept this?
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>>3998179
>inevitable melty from half of the fandom because their personal theories have been completely obliterated.
this shit is what i live for.
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>>3998175
>Losing doesn't motivate me to win.
What a shame you were born just to be such a bitch, i pray for your recovery, hope you get well soon, jobber anon.
>"noo i couldve totally won haha"
Then why havent you done it?
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>>3998179
I am happy that DRY will get more sprites for the chapter 3 Oasis Town dark world
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>>3998179
honestly I generally roll with the punches in both the fangames and the main games. whatever wild ride the game wants to put me through, I'm ready to not be ready.
I also want cool fights. Playing DRY somewhat recently, scratched some of that itch with the multiple secret bosses
but I want more.

once I get done enjoying the secret fights in DR chapter 5, I'll be craving the outlaws and secrets in DRY chapter 3, then naranja, DRY2 so on and so forth.

My lust for battle and secrets will never run dry.
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>>3998174
>I think that actually is Naranjanon you're replying to here. Not me.
I swear to fucking god, again?!
Making it real hard to make any kind of point here.
>Anyways, I actually feel really good about my writing, which is why it feels like such a gut punch when I get shown to be derivative or have my writing otherwise made to look bad.
Okay, well, I think your writing has been good so far, from what I've read of your greens that take place in the OT setting, so there's that.
>Anyways, I still disagree about Red and Reynault not being similar. But that may just be my "ignore details in favor themes" philosophy talking. Not that it bothers me. Reynault being similar is just funny to me.
I still argue their themes are at odds with each other too, but that's a separate conversation, and probably not one we're gonna see eye-to-eye on anyway.
>So even if the similarities are surface level, that doesn't really matter. What matters is that they are similar. And people will notice that.
I dunno, I'd say it wouldn't be too big of an issue if people see any hypothetical similarities the same way I see the similarities between Red and Reynault.
As in, ostensibly present, but so minor and surface-level that their presence doesn't degrade either one of them.
Two things can be similar to each other without that necessarily making either one of them worse than the other, and that could be what ends up happening here.
I think there's good potential for things to turn out alright, I dunno. Call me an optimist in this situation specifically, I guess.


Say, while I have you, assuming I finally actually know who I'm talking to and haven't gotten mixed-up mid post somehow, what'd you think of that dumb Reynault/Anon green I posted earlier? I am aware that it's not your sort of thing, but I am curious if you had any thoughts on it whatsoever that you'd be inclined to share, even if it's just more incredulity at the feelings I harbor towards that enfield.
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>>3998181
>What a shame you were born just to be such a bitch

Val...
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>>3998181
Maybe I'll cheat the whole game if it bothers you that much. Then I'll come back and blog about it so you can seethe that I didn't intentionally punish myself doing something I don't like for something I don't want like you did.
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>>3998179
>the big bastard
Who do you mean?

>Do (You) accept this?
Honestly, I may just lose interest in Deltarune entirely, depending on what it does. The new chapters were already a mixed on how much I liked and disliked them.
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>>3998184
I didn't read it. I got out of bed and was instantly assaulted with chapter 5 tomorrow and a flame war.
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>>3998179
of course the game won't ever live to people's headcanons and theories over the nearly decade its been going, but I think it will end up being enjoyable as long as toby doesn't fumble at the finish line
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>>3998189
>I didn't read it.
Oh, fair.
>chapter 5 tomorrow
You gave me a minor heart attack thinking it was actually coming out tomorrow because I hadn't read the actual release date yet, christ.
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>>3998186
Cheat if you want to idc, but at least have the decency to admit you suck at the game instead of hiding behind a wall of irony just to pretend the cheating wasnt because of your skill issues
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>>3998193
I don't care about skill, that's the issue. Skill is something anyone can develop if they sit down and put the effort into it. But the Titan, and chapter 4 as a whole made me not care, and as a result not want to put the effort in to get good.

It doesn't matter if I was bad at the game, because the game made it not matter to me.
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>>3997699
The only comment I have on this is that his legs would probably make a clacking sound, rather than a clanging.
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>>3998164
>Still important, but hardly what I should be calibrating the experience around.
This is a difference in perspective, I'd rather make a game for the people here than for the average player, since what I like alings more with 4chan, I want to make much more games than Naranja anyway, if things go well I'll have the chance to make games for a wider public later on.

>absolutely ironclad when I want to forget something.
That's just how memory works
>I'm also especially good at remembering story details. I can remember stories till the end of time.
I keep forgetting details all the time, which is why I have to reread my own notes on my characters to make sure I'm not forgetting something, that happens more often than it should.

>I'll probably be waiting for it the whole game now. Thinking "is this the guy" every time I see a candidate. That's just how my brain works.
Well, there are two different scenarios where I could use this idea, I doubt you'll see the "candidate" coming in either of those two scenarios.

>Most people simply don't view it as canon.
Alright, you got a point in that.

>Yeah, but you're too acquainted with me. That taints the experience. The game isn't just the game, but the story of the game, and you're involvement in it, and you're involvement with me.
They will like it, like, your game has to be "ayuda porfavor" tier for people in this fandom for them to actively dislike it, will they like it as much as UTY or UT? That's a different question.

>My greatest dream to is to one day see some literally who play Oldentale on youtube and like it. (realistic one anyways, I have plenty of ones that will never ever happen)
I too have dreams like that, one of my most ambitious UTN related dreams would be to see someone on the wild using a pfp of a Naranja character on somethin not UT related, it would be a proof of how far the game has reached.
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>>3998196
>his legs would probably make a clacking sound, rather than a clanging.
Huh.
Yeah, alright.
Guess I'll keep that in mind for whenever it ends up being relevant again.

Mildly surprised you don't have a joke in mind for my willingness to lay my head on solid pieces of metal like that, but fair enough.
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>>3998165
I already have a Gamejolt account and I'm not *that* concerned to be seen as derivative, I'd rather just shadowdrop the game once I have that "first act" demo ready.

>>3998166
Eh, even if they feel derivative to you, you're the only one who actually knows the inspiration and thought process behind your own ideas, so it's likely most other people
Yeah I know that, but there's always the "looming threat" of someone discovering how much of a hack fraud I am, that last bit was a joke, but only partially.

>(Assuming you're Oldentale anon because this example only really works if so)
I'm Naranja anon, at this rate you'll have mistaken me for Oldentale anon just as much as he has mistaken me for you.

>I know, but I'm saying I think it's possible your fears may not end up being realized entirely, and it might just end up boiling down to a few more surface-level similarities again.
I'm not that afraid of getting "my thunder stolen" it won't make me change my ideas, at least not much.

>>3998170
>And like I said before, I'm a picky bastard when it comes to stuff around here, so I think the fact that I like UTN as much as I do (beyond just having questionable feelings towards your characters) is something of an accomplishment, if I may say so myself.
Well, I hope I can live up to your expectations, I have a lot to learn before I feel confident enough in mu writing.
>even if I been procrastinating like a mother fucker this last month.
Well knock that off, I wanna see this game come out before the heat death of the universe, if you can manage it.
I wanna see this game come out more than anyone else, but this short story has been kicking my ass, so I procrastinate by doing small sprite edits that aren't really necessary, like those Quetzali sprites or the monster Val sprites, even if those did help me draw sprites for a character that needed them.
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>>3998171
I know success is usually a combination of skill and luck, its just that right now I feel like I'm leaning more on the luck side of the scale.

>The feeling may never go away or it may get better gradually, but there's no one single source that solves the entire question.
I was hopin the feeling would go away because writing takes me an embarrasing long amount of time, I guess I'll have to write even more to see if it stays or not.
>then I see people who expose themselves to criticism and you can see they are new, and are making some major mistakes, but there's a quality to it due to the kind of person writing it.
I think my problem is that I haven't truly exposed my writing to criticism yet, the UTN demo doesn't have enough to make a full analysis of what I need to improve or how I could improve it.
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>>3998184
Has it ever occurred to you how at odds your immense desire to serve a purpose and die heroically with your fox husbando's personal philosophy and worldview? Or how you view yourself as a machine, he actually is a machine (or large portions of him at least) yet views himself on purely humanistic and self serving terms. I imagine he'd have quite a lot of things to say about your fantasy of heroic self sacrifice.
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>>3998200
>Spoiler
Not too surprising, you seem to be just as eager to lay on pipe as you are to lay it.
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>>3998194
Ok, you're admitting you're bad at this game, thats ok, i'm happy for you, what isnt ok is that you're still making your skill issue the game's problem, the chapter isnt bad just because you died a lot to the fuzzy overworld dark beings and got mad, its ok, you dont have to pretend the chapter is bad just to make yourself feel better, making mistakes is normal and natural part of every living being, the healthiest thing you can do is admit you've got a problem and need to address it instead of avoiding it by coping about how you didnt win totally because of the chapter being bad rather than because of your skill
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>>3998179
>the big bastard
Papyrus? Adult Asriel? Gaster?
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>>3998203
>like I'm leaning more on the luck side of the scale.
that's why I added the third element to this. even with luck, there's a large element in writing of just putting a piece of yourself on the paper, even if you don't really understand or feel how you're putting that part of yourself on there.
when you get lucky as many times as you have, we start to realize that there's just something in how you think that resonates with a lot of us, even if the exact execution may vary as you improve.
So while it feels like luck is what is actually holding up the "scale" the truth is it was never an A vs B situation, because C is doing the heavy lifting while you learn to get better.
Let me put it this way. Everyone has something to say, it just so happens that the things you have to say are of interest to people, while the majority of people are screaming into the void. You can (and should) build up the skill on top of that, but it's a very valuable starting point to be at.
>I think my problem is that I haven't truly exposed my writing to criticism yet, the UTN demo
well fortunately you're working on exactly that. Part of improvment, is that as you receive criticism, you come to understand what you're doing right and wrong, rather than just doing your best from instinct. You may stumble on this short story, or you may do really well, but it will give you a piece of what you need to understand "why"
>I was hopin the feeling would go away because writing takes me an embarrasing long amount of time, I guess I'll have to write even more to see if it stays or not.
it comes and goes. Some of my least favorite efforts have been well received, and some of my favorites have fallen through the cracks. The more you expose yourself this way the more you'll gradually get a feeling of the what's and why's of all of this.

Look, all I'm saying with my walls of text, is that there's more to it than just "being lucky", and you'll feel that more and more with time.
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>>3998187
>>3998211
forgot to type in its name but I meant FRIEND. Especially since its been haphazardly shoved into some Deltarune Yellow fanart on account of the main duo being pink and yellow
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>>3998201
>Yeah I know that, but there's always the "looming threat" of someone discovering how much of a hack fraud I am, that last bit was a joke, but only partially.
Hm, I suppose that is a valid fear.
I think if I had to make a comparison for you, it'd be like how people point out how a lot of original Dragon Ball was based on Journey to the west, but also Dragon Ball is still awesome in its own right, so even being derivative to an extent is still fine.
Or are you saying Dragon Ball isn't cool because it took inspiration from things?
>I'm Naranja anon, at this rate you'll have mistaken me for Oldentale anon just as much as he has mistaken me for you.
Yeah, I know, I'm off my game today.
>I'm not that afraid of getting "my thunder stolen" it won't make me change my ideas, at least not much.
Okay, good, glad to hear.
You've had lots of good ideas so far, I'd hate to see any of them change just to try and course correct for anything, so I'm glad that wont be happening too much.
>Well, I hope I can live up to your expectations, I have a lot to learn before I feel confident enough in mu writing.
Fair enough, always room to improve.
Like I said, I'm rooting for you.
>so I procrastinate by doing small sprite edits that aren't really necessary, like those Quetzali sprites or the monster Val sprites, even if those did help me draw sprites for a character that needed them.
Well those sprites were nice, but it'd be nicer to see more progress from you.
I dunno, take the time you need, take care of yourself, but don't let yourself lose track of things I guess.
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>>3998199
>I'd rather make a game for the people here than for the average player, since what I like alings more with 4chan, I want to make much more games than Naranja anyway
I'd prefer that too, but I need the constant engagement from here to keep my brain cooperative. And that means that I have to spoil the hell out of the game to you guys like I've been doing. So the only end goal I can have is that random normie player.

> I doubt you'll see the "candidate" coming in either of those two scenarios
Yeah, but I'll still be looking at every character and thinking "is this the guy"

> this fandom
The fandom also isn't my target. The fandom has a lot of clashing ideals and expectations, and more importantly will eat shit if it appeals to those interests, like you pointed out. I'm targeting "just some guy", some random who liked Undertale and decided "yeah, I wanna play more of that" and goes looking for a fangame. Of course I still would like to get the fandom to play and like it, but I need a gold standard to measure against and calibrate for, and John Doe is it.

>Pfp
that would be fun. I'd like that too, even if it were something like cropped porn or really ugly fanart.

My silly, absurd, never gonna happen dream is that Joel plays it. Like someone slips it into a shareware madness and he gets blindsided by it. That's never gonna happen and I would never pursue it, but its the perfect fantasy scenario.
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>>3998216
Oh, I think FRIEND is 100% going to show up and my theory is FRIEND and Seam are going to be revealed to be part of the same entity after you get the fifth crystal. Probably not the best to talk about it in the fangame thread though
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>>3998216
IMG_FRIEND is a fan of Naranja???
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>>3998216
>NO MAMES.
>NO MAMES, WEY.
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>>3998207
Alright, that got a chuckle out of me, that's a good one.
Really though, I'd be perfectly content to simply lay in bed with him, his presence, his touch, would be enough.
Hah, to hold him in my arms...
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on the topic of writing, I need to get better at getting myself on track and focusing. All my life I wanted to be able to write, and it wasn't until these threads that I stopped getting in my own way and just let myself do that, but now that I have this amazing power called "putting words on paper", I can't help but get distracted with tons of little short stories.
I mean, I'm having a ton of fun with them, but the feeling that all of these little ideas that were always stuck in my head are no in my grasp, has me wanting to write every little thing at once, and of course in a setting like yellow and other fangames, there's all sorts of "every little thing"s.

I swear I'll finish a longer story one day in between all of my having fun with this, but I've got massive respect to the writeanons who've gotten so far in their multi chapter works.
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>>3998209
This is bait and I'm not gonna engage with it anymore. Good job on leading me on this long though.
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>>3998216
Yeah, there's no way this thing is handled well. Even if it were done perfectly, its had too much hype put into it. Nothing will live up to that expectation. And hoping otherwise is just setting yourself up for pain.
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>>3998226
>bait is when you're given advice you dont like hearing
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>>3998221
That would be so dumb, but its probably gonna happen.
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>>3998205
Yes, the topic has crossed my mind, but I've been unsure what to make of such a clash, for the most part.
The topic has actually come up before, sort of, during all that soul-absorption talk some number of threads ago, though it was a very specific context.
>I imagine he'd have quite a lot of things to say about your fantasy of heroic self sacrifice.
I'm sure he'd make fun of it, yes.
I don't think he'd see it even as being an idea worth entertaining, seems too far outside his worldview for it to be something he'd see merit in.
Based on his views on power and respect and all that, I think it's possible he would accept one's decision to lay their life on the line, provided they actually had the power to make a difference with their sacrifice, but I guess he might not necessarily care about someone throwing their life away either.
I don't know.
There's a lot I don't know about him, still.
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>>3998228
Not falling for it.
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>>3998229
To not elaborate too much, I started thinking it after King's lines about Seam and Jevil in Chapter 4, and the line
* A shame he had to be tricked away, by his closest companion.
* The magician, Seam, whose smile has gone empty since that day.


Seam is missing an eye and has nothing in his smile; I think FRIEND physically separated from Seam. We usually see FRIEND around shadow crystals or the shadow mantle, two things Seam tells the player about. I have no clue what Seam's motives are but he wants the player to get these items, and I think he's observing the player via FRIEND. If "Eram" is also FRIEND then we would have to account for it attacking Kris, though.
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>>3998225
You know, if you have a lot of "just one little thing"s and you keep finishing them, then you could try selling them. At least the ones that aren't fanfiction. Short stories are pretty easy to sell with no long term commitment, and they let you say you've actually accomplished something beyond just intellectual play.
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>>3998232
That picture is specifically why I hate this idea so much. Its the manifestation of how profoundly dumb this is.
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>>3998232
I doubt that...

Chapter 3 has a hint in the gancho machine that says: "That Chair is going to kick your ass!"
It is the only one not followed through on and we haven't seen any chairs that would kick our ass except for the friend introduction cutscene
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>>3998233
you know I've always wondered where the little short stories in school textbooks came from (other than of course, from peoples minds) when it comes to the less known ones. Like where did they procure them from. I know the sources are actually various, like some from writing magazines, compilations, so on so forth, but not actually seeing the paper trail makes me really curious.

I should give more time to the horror writing I like to do outside of fanfics, I guess I let my motivation for that drop since the only person I personally know that I can get to read my stuff is quite drastically tied up in life.

Well, I'll give that some thought, though I still have a billion fanfic ideas in my mind, and I still swear I'll finish a multi chapter fic eventually.
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>>3998230
I feel like he normally wouldn't entertain the idea, if he did, it'd just be for self serving purposes or to get a laugh out of it at the other person's expense, at best (or worst) he might intentionally undermine their sacrifice, and make sure they know about it, because it feels so good to put down self-righteous high and mighty people like that, and see them realize they've made themselves fools. That's probably only if he's feeling really mean though.

If you did manage to make him care about you, I give it a 50/50 shot of him making a joke out of it to keep himself from thinking about it, or being genuinely upset about it and trying to dissuade you from such a fundamentally repulsive philosophy (his words, not mine).

He does have principle, believe it or not, its just a very self centered one.
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>>3998236
There's loads of short fiction magazines, and they're always taking submissions.
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>>3998241
I figured that kind of thing had fallen out of style and existence. Huh, well, might be neat to look into.
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>>3998242
Its still what most aspiring writers use to break into professional writing. You could also try online stuff like Wattpad or RoyalRoad. And you could even try publishing independently nline to make money off ads and donations.
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>>3998244
I'd say I have a very long way to go before it's capable of actually going anywhere like that, but it still sounds like a fun thing to start throwing at the wall on the side. Doesn't hurt to try
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>>3998214
>when you get lucky as many times as you have, we start to realize that there's just something in how you think that resonates with a lot of us, even if the exact execution may vary as you improve.
I can't be lucky all the time, I know, some of it just comes from personal experience, but I know that even if not everything is luck, one day I'll run out of it and you'll see where my skill level is actually at.
>Let me put it this way. Everyone has something to say, it just so happens that the things you have to say are of interest to people, while the majority of people are screaming into the void. You can (and should) build up the skill on top of that, but it's a very valuable starting point to be at.
Yeah, I know, sometimes I feel like I shouldn't be writing at all because I've read few books and I'm as dull as an eraser, as soon as I'm finished with the short story I want to read more books, not sure how to work on that second thing tho.

>You may stumble on this short story, or you may do really well, but it will give you a piece of what you need to understand "why"
Really should go back on editing that thing.
>it comes and goes. Some of my least favorite efforts have been well received, and some of my favorites have fallen through the cracks. The more you expose yourself this way the more you'll gradually get a feeling of the what's and why's of all of this.
I know, I was actually surprised at first by how well the writing on the demo was received by some, but I still need to write more before I have an idea on what I'm doing right and wrong.
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>>3998218
>I think if I had to make a comparison for you, it'd be like how people point out how a lot of original Dragon Ball was based on Journey to the west, but also Dragon Ball is still awesome in its own right, so even being derivative to an extent is still fine.
Every story takes inspiration from another, I think at the end of the day what matter is from how many sources you take inspiration and how close they are to the original thing.
>Or are you saying Dragon Ball isn't cool because it took inspiration from things?
DB is a retelling of Journey to the west, but it also has a lot of inspiration from sci-fi stuff and martial arts films.

>Well those sprites were nice, but it'd be nicer to see more progress from you.
I dunno, take the time you need, take care of yourself, but don't let yourself lose track of things I guess.
Yeah yeah, I need to get back to work, that notepad won't fill itself, at this point I wish it would, but life is never so easy.
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>>3998240
>spoilers
Yeah, I could see that.
I wonder how he'd feel seeing the person whose sacrifice he just undermined hit him with "nice one", like Billy Butcher or Johnny Quick.
Even if he had no respect for them, I imagine them giving him a small laugh at his "joke" before dying might be something he wouldn't necessarily expect.
>If you did manage to make him care about you, I give it a 50/50 shot of him making a joke out of it to keep himself from thinking about it, or being genuinely upset about it and trying to dissuade you from such a fundamentally repulsive philosophy (his words, not mine).
Ah...
I'd hate to hurt him in such a way, or at all even, but if the stakes were too high, I couldn't ever just let the world burn when I could do something about it.
I'd be curious to know how far he'd go to try and stop me, if he truly cared about me as such.
Words of reason, physical force, perhaps?
I couldn't bring myself to hurt him if it came down to it, but based on how different his views would be from my own, I have to wonder whether he'd share such a feeling in this context.
Hm.

Him and Ceroba, the only two that could make me really hesitate like that, when deciding the fate of the world. What does that mean?
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>>3998251
>spoiler
it means that you have foxrot
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>>3998251
>like Billy Butcher
I feel like he'd respect Butcher because what he's doing is ultimately a selfish quest for revenge, and not some service to the world. Or he'd respect the spirit behind it at least, even if he may view it as selfish. And if there were someone like Homelander lording over the world I could see him agreeing that undoing them is a good thing, if only because Homelander is very full of himself and thinks he's better than everyone.

>Johnny Quick
No idea who that is.

As for this, I feel if someone truly did want to save world and sacrifice their life for it, I don't see why they would hit him with a "nice one". Maybe it'd make him reconsider their motivations and if they really were as self righteous as he thought. It'd probably also rob the moment of its catharsis, but he might just laugh it off if the joke's on him.

>I'd be curious to know how far he'd go to try and stop me
I don't know. I don't know if he'd know either. He'd probably figure it out eventually though. He's a decisive fox.

A lot of options to weight. Costs and benefits to consider. Methods to choose from. I do think you neglected deception as an option though, which is something he always leaves open.

>spoiler
That doesn't even begin to approach what either of you would do if his survival was at odds with the fate of the world. Quite the interesting scenario that would be.
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>>3998247
>one day I'll run out of it and you'll see where my skill level is actually at.
it's not some terrible thing that is waiting to reveal you as some fraud or anything. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses to work on. I've got a strong idea in mind of what I think the strengths and weaknesses of the different fangame devs around here are, and I don't think it's some big dreadful thing that's waiting to be revealed. just a series of works in progress
>not sure how to work on that second thing tho.
sorry this is the most basic bitch advice I can give, but, when I was in sales, a lot of people that thought of themselves as dull or boring, were pretty interesting and sharp when you got them going. I'd start with avoiding labeling yourself as dull, and just keep up the lifelong process of working on yourself. The people who actually come across as dull when you get to know them are those that choose to stagnate mentally. Even talking about trying to write things or read more to learn something sets you apart from a large segment of customers I encountered over the years. Dull has a presence to it, or a lack thereof.
>Really should go back on editing that thing.
also don't worry about editing it perfectly before posting it. if this is the first thing you're posting, it doesn't need to be edited to perfection, there IS some value in people evaluating what was in some of your first passes, in how it can give you a better idea with the editing.
but either way good luck, I'm sure my walls of text aren't helping you get back to work.
>but I still need to write more before I have an idea on what I'm doing right and wrong.
yeah, but I'm confident you'll get there as long as you don't just throw in the towel.
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>>3997786
I was expecting this thread to be addressing this picrel right here desu
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>>3998254
>it's not some terrible thing that is waiting to reveal you as some fraud or anything.
I know people here won't cover me in tar and throw tomatoes at me once I fuck up something, I'm just saying that eventually I'll have a bad day in writing.
>and I don't think it's some big dreadful thing that's waiting to be revealed. just a series of works in progress
I know failing is the first step for improving, If you never allow yourself to suck at it at first, you will never get better.

>also don't worry about editing it perfectly before posting it. if this is the first thing you're posting, it doesn't need to be edited to perfection, there IS some value in people evaluating what was in some of your first passes, in how it can give you a better idea with the editing.
Well, its not like I could post this first draft in its current state, its full of notes of things that must be changed and is missing an entire scene.
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>>3998253
>No idea who that is.
"Evil" version of The Flash, from Earth-2.
In the animated movie "Crisis on two Earths", Batman basically tricks Johnny Quick into sacrificing himself by acting as a portal to Owlman's location, accelerating his aging to his own death.
When Quick realized this, and that Batman did this knowingly, his only response was "good one, mate".
I just think characters having that sort of reaction to their own deaths is interesting, and I'd be curious as to how Reynault might feel being met with such a thing after intentionally undermining someone, even if it's not the same thing necessarily.
>Maybe it'd make him reconsider their motivations and if they really were as self righteous as he thought. It'd probably also rob the moment of its catharsis, but he might just laugh it off if the joke's on him.
Huh, interesting.
So it might make him just a bit less sure of himself then, huh?
That'd be something to see.
>I don't know if he'd know either. He'd probably figure it out eventually though. He's a decisive fox.
I didn't take him as being particularly impulsive.
It'd be very interesting to see what he's like when he doesn't have some kind of plan for what to do, but also cares too much to be willing to just sit back and let things play out by themselves.
He's a very fascinating fox, I must say.
>I do think you neglected deception as an option though, which is something he always leaves open.
True, though I suppose how he might actually employ his usual deceitful tactics would vary depending on the context here.
Plus, I imagine if I've been spending enough time with him to grow so close to him, I must've learned my way around some of his trickery by then, not that I don't also imagine he'd always keep some tricks up his sleeves just in case.
>spoiler
I can't, in good faith, say that I wouldn't make the same choice I always make.
I just wonder what he'd have to say to me about it.
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>>3998258
Of fuck! Cyan soul/Omega Flowey attack?
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>>3998253
>even if he may view it as selfish
*even if he may view it as foolish
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>>3998261
>I'm just saying that eventually I'll have a bad day in writing.
as even the best of the best do,
>I know failing is the first step for improving, If you never allow yourself to suck at it at first, you will never get better.
but yeah you've got the right mindset. I'd say through this you aren't dull at all.
>its full of notes of things that must be changed and is missing an entire scene.
fair enough, well then, get it done! I'll prepare myself to give properly scathing reviews and all of that.
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fuck, eyeing this conversation has me wanting to write something about reynault talking to anon before he goes to sacrifice himself.
and so the millions of ideas march on through my fucking skull, fighting for mental real estate.
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>>3998271
A generic anon, or based off me in particular?
Just curious.
I'd also love to see that, if you're so inclined.
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>>3998274
based on you (assuming of course) but with some liberties taken since I don't actually know what the inside of your skull moves like.
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>>3998262
>Batman did this knowingly,
Doesn't that break the no kill rule?

>So it might make him just a bit less sure of himself then, huh?
Reynault knows he's not infallible. He's capable of being wrong, and sometimes he is. Maybe he misjudged this person. Oh well, shit happens, can't unkill him now. C'est la vie.

>I didn't take him as being particularly impulsive.
I said decisive, not impulse. He's good at making decisions, even when faced with uncertainty. Hes good at making plans on the fly, he has to be in his line of work, so whenever a plan goes south, he can manage. And if he can't... well he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.

>, I must've learned my way around some of his trickery by then, not that I don't also imagine he'd always keep some tricks up his sleeves just in case.
He may bank on that though, you thinking you've figured him out and know his tricks.

>I just wonder what he'd have to say to me about it.
Whatever the motivation behind it is, it would take the form of quite a few cutting remarks and mean spirited jabs. Oh and of course his best efforts to kill you first. He does have to look after himself after all. Honestly, he might be more hurt by why you're doing it than what you're doing. I think killing him for your own sake he could understand, but killing him for some selfless ideal would be salt in the wound. The ultimate insult for the ultimate betrayal. A bit like your wife leaving you for your best friend being the ultimate form of cheating on someone
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>>3998275
Very interesting, always fascinated to see how other people think I tick.

However you end up going about it, if you end up writing such a thing, I would just like Reynault to know that, even if I were to give myself up for the sake of the world, my love for him would never die.
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>>3998258
Its gonna be some random common enemy. He wouldn't put something important as a main boss or secret boss in the trailer.
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>>3998219
>I'd prefer that too, but I need the constant engagement from here to keep my brain cooperative. And that means that I have to spoil the hell out of the game to you guys like I've been doing. So the only end goal I can have is that random normie player.
Personally I've been trying to avoid spoiling my game much as I could, the things I've shown so far aren't any of the most impactful ones, even the things I've revealed about the characters.

>Yeah, but I'll still be looking at every character and thinking "is this the guy"
Okay, but don't be disappointed when you don't get a platforming section of a mountain sized Zaer or a kilometric Quetzali.

>The fandom has a lot of clashing ideals and expectations, and more importantly will eat shit if it appeals to those interests, like you pointed out. I'm targeting "just some guy", some random who liked Undertale and decided "yeah, I wanna play more of that" and goes looking for a fangame.
Realistically, I think someone outside of the fandom playing a fangame is very rare, but I can't blame you for having high hopes in your project.

>that would be fun. I'd like that too, even if it were something like cropped porn or really ugly fanart.
I think that would be funny.
>My silly, absurd, never gonna happen dream is that Joel plays it. Like someone slips it into a shareware madness and he gets blindsided by it. That's never gonna happen and I would never pursue it, but its the perfect fantasy scenario.
Joel already played UTY (at least some of the game) so this isn't outside the real of possibility, I also had the dream of a somewhat popular streamer outside the fandom playing UTN.
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>>3998263
Omega flower already had his spotlight in UT. I believe its either a cyan soul fight or less likely - fight against kris himself
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>>3998277
>my love for him would never die.
Do not patronize him with such hollow idealistic cliches. Your love dies the moment your breathe stops, the same as every other part of you. Nothing left but an empty husk rotting on the ground.
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>>3998280
>a mountain sized Zaer or a kilometric Quetzali.
macrofags on suicide watch

>Joel already played UTY
He's never gonna finish it, is he? Why do so many lets players drop UTY after one episode?
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there will be a ceroba easter egg
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>>3998263
>>3998278
My bet is on this being a throwaway minigame fight. Toby also spoiled one of the Mike minigames on the previous trailer.
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>>3998276
>Doesn't that break the no kill rule?
Depending on how you look at it, but to be clear, Owlman was nearly about to eradicate all versions of Earth throughout the entire multiverse, so the stakes were high enough to warrant it in his eyes.
The thing most people give him flack for is the fact that he specifically said Johnny Quick was faster than The Flash to get him to do it, which was just a lie he told him because he didn't wanna sacrifice Flash.
Make of that what you will, I suppose.
>Maybe he misjudged this person. Oh well, shit happens, can't unkill him now. C'est la vie.
And I assume it'd be asking too much of him to at least try and un-fuck the other guy's sacrifice?
Maybe it's for the best we don't let him near anyone too heroic.
>es good at making plans on the fly, he has to be in his line of work, so whenever a plan goes south, he can manage. And if he can't... well he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.
Yeah, that makes more sense then.
Good to know he's a fast thinker, but I'm not sure what good that'd do if I'm the one on the line here.
>He may bank on that though, you thinking you've figured him out and know his tricks.
Yeah, I can imagine he'd give me trouble no matter what.
I have to wonder though, since I said I'd never want to fight him like that, what would he do if I refuse to budge?
If I'm bent on giving up my own life for the sake of the greater good, and he wants to stop me, but I won't fight him, what would he do?
Lob my head off?
Kill me, but prevent any good from coming of it?
Even if he cared about me?
>spoiler
I understand self-preservation, but he would rather have me kill him for my own selfish gain than kill him for a greater good?
Has it occurred to him that the greater good *is* my own gain?
A world safe, and prosperous, my most selfish desire?
And he would rather millions, or billions burn instead?
Maybe I shouldn't expect him to understand.
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>>3998285
Thank you Toby Fox very cool, are you going to decanonize the soul fangames in chapter 5?
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>>3998282
>Your love dies the moment your breathe stops, the same as every other part of you. Nothing left but an empty husk rotting on the ground.
I wouldn't say that, death's not as much of a career-ender in the UT world.
Plenty of walking corpses that we've seen already, with varying degrees of literalness.
Who knows, maybe I'd just get right back up after giving up my soul or something, how'd he take that?
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>>3998288
yes
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>>3998278
It could be a mini boss

>>3998288
>implies that soul fangames were canon in the past in order to be decanonized in the present
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Fucking hell i forgot to pay for my WiFi
>>3998231
Hm, It seems like you're suffering from avoidant symptoms, everytime you are prompted to acknowledge your flaws in any way, your immediate gut reaction is to assume the worst out of it and always assume it's negative so that you dont have to address the core issue, that it's its fault and never yours, jobbing at deltarune? It's obviously because the chapter sucks and is actually bad all along so you dont need to try harder to win! You're given advice on your coping mechanism? It's totally trolling and bait so why listen and make a change because the process is slightly uncomfortable!?
You know, if you keep being like this as life gets harder, pretending that you shouldnt try to improve because its actually everything else's fault, you're gonna end up burnt out and bitter at the world, this is not a healthy coping mechanism, so please, consider my words instead of dismissing me as some evil boogeyman that you shouldnt listen to because he's evil and stinky or something
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>>3998296
NTA, but even if there is potential truth in some of what you say, being condescending is the first way to get all of your advice discarded. your posts come across as patronizing like you're taking your own pleasure in placing yourself above someone you've recognized as having issues.
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>>3998179
The only potential things that will piss me off is kris being confirmed to be 100 percent chara counterpart. That would not be good writing. I can accept mixture (frisk and chara) or kris is their own person based on the two characters. But i will not accept chara is 100 percent kris sole counterpart.

Everything else I dont really mind. if rudy knight gets debunked then eh dess knight was always the more likely option. If dr is confirmed to have no real connections with ut, then I will accept it. (even tho idk if thats good writing) etc etc
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>>3998299
I do suck at wording my sentences admittedly (autism things), please forgive me if i sound too much like an asshole, it's not my intention to sound so patronizing
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>>3998300
I hope Rudy knight gets confirmed because it would be really funny
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>>3998302
RynoGG...
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>>3998302
yes, I remember people like this before the chp 3 days. Some dess knighters are in many ways people like this and will react the same way if rudy knight was revealed
its gonna be funny
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>>3998306
all the NSFW art of the roaring knight would retroactively become Rudy porn, that's part of what makes it so funny
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>>3998280
>Joel already played UTY (at least some of the game) so this isn't outside the real of possibility
Since this is already a far out dream, my ideal is him playing it not knowing what it is and being surprised by it.
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>>3998306
Rudy knight is so retarded I can't even fathom

Kris knight was basically right everywhere where it mattered and all the "evidence" that tried to debunk it pre chapter 3&4 completely flopped
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>>3998308
also true. That porn of knight art you masturbated too. That was a middle aged man
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always bet on outlaw knight
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>>3998314
>Mo is the knight
>Berdly is the outlaw
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>>3998314
>gizMO is canon to DR
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>>3998315
>>3998316

Mo hivemind
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>>3998287
>And I assume it'd be asking too much of him to at least try and un-fuck the other guy's sacrifice?
Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Probably depends on what he gets out of it.

>Maybe it's for the best we don't let him near anyone too heroic.
Probably. Though its just as bad to leave him with other villains. Really he's just going to cause trouble no matter who you put him with because that's who he is.

>what would he do?
I'll leave that one to your imagination. Just know that he's usually pragmatic, but will also do blatantly wasteful or impractical things if he wants to. A real wildcard.

>Has it occurred to him that the greater good *is* my own gain?
I think he would have a problem with the fundamental idea of it. Like even if you were to somehow beam your feelings into his head and make him perfectly understand, I still don't see him agreeing. Even if he may have some sympathies.

>And he would rather millions, or billions burn instead?
As long as he's not counted in their number.

You've got to understand that he isn't just selfish, but fundamentally believes in the philosophy of the self. So there's not just a pragmatic conflict of interests, but a fundamental conflict of beliefs.

Its a bit like how Palpatine doesn't just hate the Jedi because they're in his way, but also fundamentally hates their philosophy because he is a true believer in the Sith ideology. Or how Lex Luthor hates Superman, not just because he stops his evil schemes, but because he goes against Lex's own idea of how a man should place himself in the world. Reynault's problem with your self sacrifice would be a bit like that, only less evil (still evil btw, just less so. He is a villain after all) and based on his own philosophy.
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>>3998290
Then you're not really dead, are you. Dead is when you stop living, stop being. If you're still doing things, then you're not dead.

> I'd just get right back up after giving up my soul or something, how'd he take that?
The answer may surprise you.
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epic thread fail. fell for the classic name field mixup
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>>3998325
What?
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>>3998326
I think it's that guy who's weirdly giving updates on deltarune threads as they get deleted. It makes me feel like he's trying to paint us as being involved in creating those threads too.
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schizos......thread schizo...>>3998325
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>>3998327
It's really weird, they could make a /vrpg/ thread specifically for that.
I would prefer they didn't, but they could.
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my document keeps autocorecting reynault to renault. quite irritating like the fox is sabotaging me as I work. I shouldn't have to add names to a known word list.
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>>3998322
>Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. Probably depends on what he gets out of it.
Yeah, that's about what I expected.
>Really he's just going to cause trouble no matter who you put him with because that's who he is.
True, but at least he could maybe end up doing some good depending on who he's causing trouble for.
>I'll leave that one to your imagination.
Hm. I imagine if he actually loved me in this context, he'd try and stop me, but I don't think he's in much of a state to take on an adult human directly, and I think he'd know that.
I also don't think he'd be willing to try and use his life as a barrier, forcing me to kill him to proceed, because he values himself too much.
So that leaves deception, or diplomacy.
Hm.
>Like even if you were to somehow beam your feelings into his head and make him perfectly understand, I still don't see him agreeing. Even if he may have some sympathies.
Guess that means the point of view gun wouldn't help here, huh?
Shame, that usually solves ideological disagreements like this.
>Reynault's problem with your self sacrifice would be a bit like that
Ah yes, the Culpa Innata worldview.
That's not great, but uhh...
Well, as long as it doesn't get in my way *too* often.
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>>3998324
>Then you're not really dead, are you. Dead is when you stop living, stop being. If you're still doing things, then you're not dead.
Eh, I've seen people define being "dead" as not having a soul inside you anymore.
And since UTDR seems to follow the KH model of what composes a person, I'd basically be dead *inside*, lacking a soul and whatnot.
So, that's partial credit for deadness.
>The answer may surprise you.
...What would that answer be, exactly?
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>>3998258
I think the most we can glimpse is that the flowers will kinda represent the human souls, I doubt it is a main boss/secret boss, but I imagine they will be minibosses in the world on your way to asgore or something
also notice you can see the regular purple BG when the knives are fading in the animated version, which means this footage was tampered with to hide stuff, so it could not be just solo kris, or it could also be debug footage
I don't think it will be "flowey 2.0" or "fighting against kris", and people thinking that are setting themselves u for disappointment
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>>3998327
>>3998328
>>3998329
it's this you fucking tards
>>>/v/740731849
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>>3998332
Actually, being stripped of your heart, light, body or mind doesn't really kill you in Kingdom Hearts.
You CAN die.
But the specific process of having your heart torn from you doesn't kill you.
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>>3998334
how is that thread related to us?
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>>3998334
... how is that even remotely related to us?
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>>3998334
Buddy you're the one making a fangame thread on a week day on /v/.
When the janny has already been here and pissed.
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>>3998334
schizo....
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>>3998339
Actually wait, is that even a fangame?
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>>3998336
I know, but having your heart unlocked does have a tendency to make you not *you* anymore, at least in most cases.
For example, all of Organization XIII, except Roxas, and Xion.
And also specifically before they decided that that's not what the organization was anymore.
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>>3998337
>>3998338
>>3998340
Is it not an UTDR fangame? Pretty obvious by the thumbnail
>>3998339
I didn't make it, dumbass
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>>3998343
>Is it not an UTDR fangame?
no, it's not.
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>>3998343
I think you need meds.
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>>3998343
That looked more like an earthbound inspired game and not a UT/DR fangame
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>>3998343
looks more like a mother fangame than specifically UT/DR, so not directly related
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>>3998343
no...?
it doesnt even lool remotely close to an UT/DR fangame.
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>>3998296
Assuming you are actually serious and not just laying it on extra thick for trolling.

My god anon, you are terrible at giving advice. Genuinely, everything you have said reads not as "this is a flaw you have, here is how you could do better" but "lmao, you suck, I'm gonna ignore everything you say so I can point and laugh at you to feel better about myself". You argue like someone who just wants to make people mad.


Anyways, you keep missing my point. My point is that I didn't *want* to beat the Titan. Not couldn't, didn't want to. I can and have beaten harder bosses than it, in the same game no less, but that's because I had the motivation to. I do not like the titan, therefor I do not want to bother fighting it.

You yourself say its not that hard of a fight. And you know that to get to that point in the game I would have had to fight equally hard fights on the way. Especially if I did the secret bosses. But then you just keep saying that I'm "coping" and "blaming the game for my lack of skill", when I'm not. I'm blaming the game for having a disinteresting boss and chapter to attach it to. The thing's boring, and as a result I don't have any reason to want to beat it. I would hate it even if it were piss easy, because the Titan just sucks, flat out.

This would be like me telling you that you have a skill issue for not wanting to play through desert bus. Skill is a non-issue here, the issue is that its simply not fun, and the goal of video games is to have fun.

Now for the love of god stop trying to act like an armchair psychologist because someone needs narrative reasons to want to engage with a game.
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>>3998347
>>3998348
Mother/Earthbound hivemind
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>>3998348
morons
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>>3998353
are you blind, retarded, or shitposting?
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>>3998353
yes that's a sprite edit of lucas from mother 3, also seems to be a mon raising game not really UT/DR related
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>>3998353
Thread schizo confirmed
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>>3998353
it is a game called spiritea. decently rated but fairly obscure.
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>>3998353
found the game btw, it is this one
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1931010/Spirittea/
so it isn't even a fangame, just a game with mother 3 inspired (traced?) art style
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>>3998358
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1931010/Spirittea/
>review is 666
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>>3998342
I mean most of the organization mostly had their personalities in tact.
It's just uniquely the situation with Roxas, Namine and Xion since the chain of memories in their hearts are scrambled up between Sora, Kairi and Ventus.
Also strictly speaking, Xion isn't a nobody, actually.
Her heart is made out of data taken from Sora's memories of Kairi in a Replica/Vessel.
The plot of Days, spoiler if you care about it Ending with Xion willingly returning the data back to Roxas and Sora destroying her artificial heart in the first place and in KH3 Being restored from a backup which still linked her burgeoning heart back to Axel/Lea and Roxas through Sora which is kind of why she spergs the hell out. Maybe this ties back to Roxas linking his memories with Sora in DDD maybe not, it's probably not too important the hows and whys of how that happened
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how could nintendo rip off toby fox like this? they should be ashamed
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>>3998179
>some things will inevitably age like milk
I think (fear) Murder-Integrity might be obliterated by this new chapter, which I find a shame.
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>>3998331
>Guess that means the point of view gun wouldn't help here, huh?
I feel like he would automatically oppose anyone who used the point of view gun on him, even if he agreed with them, just because he would detest the gun and the philosophy behind it. But that's another issue. Reynault can be very petty sometimes.

>Ah yes, the Culpa Innata worldview.
The Culpa Innata view is the Saturday morning cartoon villain bastardization of objectivism. It depicts it wrong, both accidentally out of ignorance, and intentionally for narrative reasons. I don't even agree with objectivism, but that's a really shitty criticism of it. You'd be better off listing the Sith in Star Wars or Andrew Ryan in Bioshock as more fair criticisms of it. The Sith are way more extreme, but they are a good criticism of the underlying philosophical problems, while Ryan is a much more realistic depiction of one and the flaws it has when interacting with the real world. And if you really wanted to be unkind, you could call him a libertine. They did some very nasty things.

Anyways, no, I wouldn't compare him to the Culpa Innata people, even if he does have a somewhat objectivist philosophy.
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>>3998332
>Eh, I've seen people define being "dead" as not having a soul inside you anymore.
I don't think he would.
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>>3998336
>>3998360
correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure in kingdom hearts the nobodies still have their souls
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>>3998343
No, I think that's just a similar artstyle.
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>>3998363
She had a dusty tutu, and equipping her boots made you "feel dangerous", so I doubt that
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>>3998366
It's a little hazy if I'm being totally honest, mostly because the definitions of things like "bodies" "souls" and "mind" don't really perfectly align with what we consider those to be.
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>>3998371
>her
You're in for a disappointment, this is Toby Fox
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>>3998371
not gonna dig this now but I remember a whole thing about the japanese text implying the tutu is just old
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>>3998373
making the blue flower a male dressed in female ballet clothes is the most tobian option
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>>3998372
yes kh lore is kind of a mess
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>>3998371
>>3998374
either way equipping it has the game tells you it feels dangerous, plus some monster talking about how deadly ballet shoes can be
it is pretty widely accepted that integrity was violent, though not murder genoslides crazy like the fandom thinks since she has that one hidden echo flower with her last words, which is also the only time we hear a human talk in a toby work
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>>3998377
What's the integrity echo flower say?
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>>3998374
I am pretty sure it used the same word they use for monster dust

>>3998373
Don't worry, Toby ships her with Miss Mizzle
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>>3998377
you can only see this text by editing in an echo flower in the room
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>>3998376
I mean it's less a mess more
>Don't really think about this too hard
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>>3998379
>more lesbians
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>>3998379
all the people shipping ms mizzle with tasque will be disappointed
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>>3998382
Mizzle sesbian lexed the murderness out of her
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So would you anons be willing to spoiler any text, images, or replies related to the new Deltrune chapters for the first three weeks after release?
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>>3998383
mizzle manager is an allegory for how much kris wants to throw the toaster on the bathtub over how all girls in town are lesbians for some reason
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>>3998366
No they don't, a Nobody is explicitly defined by not having a heart.
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>>3998365
Well, that's a matter of perspective, then.
To each their own.
You didn't answer the other question, either.
Intentional, or?
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>>3998385
We already did so last time

>>3998383
They will be in a battle throuple

But btw, how is mizzle in any way related to Tsq Manager except for being a miniboss who is sassy and bossy?
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>>3998385
I of course would, though I'll only be talking about it here in relation to fangames.
of course there's no guarantee that everyone will, but there's no reason not to for me.
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>M: "im sorry gizmo but im... taken"
>G: "w-what? by who???"
>the camera pans over to a water cooler while melody looks down out of shame.
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>>3998385
I mean I typically don't talk about it on 4chan anyway since there's a problem with secondaries and tertiaries and there's not enough time in the day to argue with people about the imaginary version of the game that exists in their head, but if I was going to post something with spoilers, I'd probably use spoiler tags.
I won't lie I'm a hypocrite and talk about other stuff, however I do like to keep my posts related to fangames and fanworks in these threads, specifically.
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>>3998387 In kingdom hearts the soul and heart are different.
“Three elements combine to create a life: a heart, a soul, and a body. But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost? When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death. But what about if the heart leaves? A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.”
kh quote
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>>3998389
You did it for one week only about images and text, not for replies.
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>>3998389
>how is mizzle in any way related to Tsq Manager
snout
girl
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>>3998389
>But btw, how is mizzle in any way related to Tsq Manager except for being a miniboss who is sassy and bossy?
it isn't, people just really wanted a fallback yuri couple in case suselle dies (and no one had noticed the blue flower text miss mizzle said at the time)
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>>3998364
>I feel like he would automatically oppose anyone who used the point of view gun on him, even if he agreed with them, just because he would detest the gun and the philosophy behind it.
Fair, though the gun itself doesn't have any particular philosophy behind it, it was made on commission by Deep Thought for the purpose of settling arguments between married couples.
>Anyways, no, I wouldn't compare him to the Culpa Innata people, even if he does have a somewhat objectivist philosophy.
Well, I suppose that's a separate topic, though I can't help but think of it based on your description of his views of self-sacrifice and selflessness versus selfishness.
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>>3998391
Gizmo will just barb them both
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>>3998393
Huh, must've missed that.
Where does this quote come from?
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>>3998400
Secret Ansem's Report 4
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>>3998394
How can you spoiler text and not spoiler the reply text?

Either way, prepare for it to look like barcodes and epstein files
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>>3998397
>though the gun itself doesn't have any particular philosophy behind it, it was made on commission by Deep Thought for the purpose of settling arguments between married couples.
For the purposes of women making their arguments heard, and its shown only ever benefiting them. Its obvious there is an underlying philosophy in its creation, and possibly even one coded into the gun itself, even if its claimed its impartial.

>though I can't help but think of it based on your description of his views of self-sacrifice and selflessness versus selfishness
He'd still think they're stupid, and really hypocritical, based on how their philosophy contradicts itself so much
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>>3998391
Mo would never
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>>3998402
I'm talking about not spoilering replies to spoilers. Nobody here does that, even when the replies also contain spoilers.
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>>3998404
Its melody not Mo. Mo is built for Roba
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>>3998405
I always do, if other posters don't have etiquette idk but I do my part
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>>3998406
But anon, Mo is the one with a water cooler.
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Man, that Deltarune announcement really ruined my day. I had plans that all got derailed by seeing it and the discussion around it. Then I glance back at the clock and its been nine hours, and I'm still in no state to do anything productive.
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>>3998403
>For the purposes of women making their arguments heard, and its shown only ever benefiting them. Its obvious there is an underlying philosophy in its creation, and possibly even one coded into the gun itself, even if its claimed its impartial.
The gun actually seems to just convey the will of whoever's holding it, not just women.
Apparently it's not even limited to living beings either, since Marvin's able to use it on the Vogons towards the end of the movie, and he's also not a woman, so it seems the gun just works in favor of whoever happens to be using it, although its creation was initially requested by angry housewives, yes.
>He'd still think they're stupid, and really hypocritical, based on how their philosophy contradicts itself so much
Yeah, and he's right, but that doesn't mean there aren't still those little bits of it that are somewhat accurate, as far as political satire goes.
Now I'm just imagining him getting really angry and pacing around when I make comparisons to that game, ha.
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>>3998405
Hmm...
One issue with spoiling is that it makes posts look all the same and it becomes easy to miss something among the identically looking black boxes.

We should probably try to discuss the chapter 5 mostly on v instead of here.
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>>3998411
last time that's how it went for the most part, the talks about DR here were how it affected DR fangames like DRY1 and 2
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>>3998408
Melody has a water cooler in the cafe
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I like how everyone on here was talking about the flowers in Asgore's shop showing us what the six fallen humans were like and panicking about how that could throw off the various soul fangames, and then I log onto twitter and the first thing I see is this.
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>>3998409
Same here, I'm doing a tiny little bit of progress to feel like I didn't waste the day, but I started too late.
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>>3998415
People are fearing for the lives of Clover/Cole and Val/Riley
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>>3998415
Ralsei doesn't look like a flower, yet still can be mixed up with them...
I bet they all look like goat monsters
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>>3998418
the canon aims for val's heart but can he block it
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>>3998410
>The gun actually seems to just convey the will of whoever's holding it, not just women.
It has admittedly been a long time since I've read the book. But I remember in the movie (which I watched more recently, and which was the version you posted) they outright state the point of view gun doesn't work on women and that it was made specifically for housewives.

>Apparently it's not even limited to living beings either, since Marvin's able to use it on the Vogons towards the end of the movie, and he's also not a woman,
It may be that it works on everyone but women. And even if it doesn't the underlying philosophy that making someone understand your position will automatically settle the dispute is certainly a philosophy that one can take issue with.

>but that doesn't mean there aren't still those little bits of it that are somewhat accurate,
Whatever small accuracies they may have are completely invalidated by them being a complete strawman.

>Now I'm just imagining him getting really angry and pacing around when I make comparisons to that game,
Eh, most of that anger was just me showing my own emotions because I was already in a bad mood about something else, and already really disliked the previous time you've used Culpa Inata as a "good comparison" to anything.

Reynault would take it a lot more gracefully. Even if it did make him mad, which it may not, he wouldn't show it as easily as I do.
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>>3998419
>I bet they all look like goat monsters
The UTDR community as a whole is not ready for Toby unleashing seven new faggots on the world.
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>>3998416
Tiny progress doesn't really work for me. I basically have to spend hours on something to get anything done, otherwise I just spend that entire "little bit" get started without ever actually doing anything.
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>>3998419
>7 goats
aw come on, the goat tennas were already lame enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6GgezrwRM
(I still love this song)
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>>3998411
Yeah, but its better than forcing people to log off the internet entirely for the duration of their playthrough.

Also we should refrain from using spoiler text for anything that isn't actually spoilers while that's going on as well. So no spoilering for comedic effect.

>>3998413
Yeah, but it still had a lot of spoilers in it.
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>>3998418
UTY was never canon due to its own inconsistencies so it will continue to exist on its own unaffected, and so will the DRY takes by proxy
The issue is if the new chapters reveal something about the dark worlds or other DR verse aspect that's incompatible with how the current fangames are going, unless they are willing to bend the rules
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>>3998419
I'll allow it if they're all black.
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>>3998426
It was never canon, but it also wasn't actively contradicting existing characterization. All of its problems are things players would miss while actually playing. Lore problems anyways.
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>>3998421
>It has admittedly been a long time since I've read the book.
It's actually not in the book, believe it or not, it was invented purely for the movie, along with most of the rest of the stuff in that movie.
The movie's good, I love it, but it's not really an adaptation of the book, and it doesn't try to be either.
>they outright state the point of view gun doesn't work on women and that it was made specifically for housewives.
The gun was made specifically for housewives, and it doesn't work on women, you've got me there, but that's because, according to the movie, women are unable to be affected by it inherently, rather than due to how the gun itself was designed, although the housewives did request that it be made not to work on women anyway.
So, less a fault of the gun itself, more a fault of what could (generously) be referred to as sexual dimorphism.
>Whatever small accuracies they may have are completely invalidated by them being a complete strawman.
As a whole, fair, but taking those smaller pieces by themselves isn't necessarily off-limits.
That map with Africa all shriveled up on it though, that's gold, you've gotta admit that. Hilarious.
>Eh, most of that anger was just me showing my own emotions because I was already in a bad mood about something else,
Ah, hope everything's good on your end.
>Reynault would take it a lot more gracefully. Even if it did make him mad, which it may not, he wouldn't show it as easily as I do.
Of course, I imagine he would keep most such emotions quite close to his chest.
The mental image is still very funny.


Also, I really don't know what you meant by "the answer may surprise you" earlier, did I miss something?
I want to know what that was about, genuinely.
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>>3998426
UTY has less canon inconsistencies than normal UT, if Toby Fox wanted to make it canon he would be able to without an issue.

Despite the fangames not being canon its good when a game is canon compliant, as you can imagine it being canon if you suspend your disbelief
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>>3998431
>UTY has less canon inconsistencies than normal UT

Look, I am annoyed by UT's inconsistencies but let's not go that far
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>>3998431
>>3998432
besides Flowey, what are the major inconsistencies in Yellow? The compressed timeline?
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>>3998424
They can be cool plant hybrid goats...
>>3998427
He wants a nigga clover...
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>>3998430
>So, less a fault of the gun itself, more a fault of what could (generously) be referred to as sexual dimorphism.
I would still view that as a philosophy underlying it. Even if the gun itself is a lifeless hunk of metal, its made with a specific idea in mind, and meant to be used in the name of said idea to enforce it on the world.

>but taking those smaller pieces by themselves isn't necessarily off-limits.
I would say it is, at least for any kind of criticism. Its fruit of the poison tree.

>That map with Africa all shriveled up on it though
I don't remember that part.

>Ah, hope everything's good on your end.
Mainly just upset that Toby's really thrown my whole month off, because I really wasn't in the mood for Deltarune chapter 5 right now.

>spoiler
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>>3998434
>He wants a nigga clover.
It wouldn't be Clover, it'd be some other justice soul, one we don't know, which he's based on. Besides Toby's already used that name for another character in the same game.
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>>3998434
>The colored flowers in chapter 5
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>>3998437
I see they meant colored in more ways than one.
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>>3998434
WE HAVE ENOUGH GOATS ALREADY
plus I'd like some non-humanoid important darkners for a change
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>>3998437
goats look better in black
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>>3998439
>>3998419
if all the flowers are goats I will be very disappointed
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>>3998436
He will 99% have a clover on his hat, so that's a win in my book.
>>3998422
The yellow flower is going to be straight and is going to be shipped with a kitsune darkner. Trust the plan
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>>3998440
Threesome with Wiki and Bedo
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>>3998439
How would a non-humanoid darkner wield a pan, a knife or a gun?

Anon, this is a Toby fox game, all important characters will be anthropomorphic
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>>3998435
>I would still view that as a philosophy underlying it. Even if the gun itself is a lifeless hunk of metal, its made with a specific idea in mind, and meant to be used in the name of said idea to enforce it on the world.
I guess, though I'd argue the fact that it can be used by anyone makes it a bit more fair anyway.
Frankly though, the gun working on Zaphod to any extent is almost OOC, as we know from the books that he has such a high view of himself in particular that a machine designed to mind-rape people by forcing them to comprehend the true scale of the entire universe all at once didn't work on him, because he sees himself as being the most important person in the entire universe.
So really, that gun shouldn't have done anything to him at all, but oh well.
>I would say it is, at least for any kind of criticism. Its fruit of the poison tree.
Eh, agree to disagree.
More on the general idea than on Culpa Innata specifically, that game is rather dumb, all that sun nonsense.
>I don't remember that part.
[picrel].
This map alone makes the game's existence justified to me, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen from a political satire game.
>Mainly just upset that Toby's really thrown my whole month off, because I really wasn't in the mood for Deltarune chapter 5 right now.
Ah, the stuff from earlier, right.
For whatever it's worth, I really hope your fears go unfounded and that you feel better soon.
>"spoiler"
Noted, I'll just go fuck myself then.
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>>3998445
They'd be bullets, or maybe they wrap their vines around them.
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>>3998445
>How would a non-humanoid darkner wield a pan, a knife or a gun?
vines
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>>3998442
My win would be each flower having a neat Nelnal design
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>>3998443
>The yellow flower is going to be straight and is going to be shipped with a kitsune darkner. Trust the plan
Sorry, they're all gay.
Every single one of them.
For each other, too.
All of them.
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>>3998445
the same way flowey holds shit
plus, a lot of what the characters use are just floating bullets with funny shapes already
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>>3998443
>>3998450
The flower will be shipped with a kitsune girl darkner, but the flower will also be a girl, Clover's gender was up to player's interpretation, remember
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>>3998446
>r that a machine designed to mind-rape people by forcing them to comprehend the true scale of the entire universe all at once didn't work on him,
To be fair, they cut that out of the movie too.

>, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen from a political satire game
I wonder what the idea behind that was? Is there some reason in the author's mind why Africa shriveled like a prune? Was it even intentional, or did they just get lazy drawing that part?

> I really hope your fears go unfounded and that you feel better soon.
The fears aren't even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that I just don't want to play Deltarune this month, but now I have to, because otherwise its gonna get ruined by spoilers.

>I'll just go fuck myself then
anon, I'm avoiding this because I don't want to spoil things. Don't take it personally
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>>3998453
NOOOOOOOOOO

Tony foxingworth... How could I be so easily defeated...

But it's actually OK because DRY stocks will rise
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>>3998457
>But it's actually OK because DRY stocks will rise
They will start drawing Colina (formerly Cole) as a powerful transgirl, mark my words
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Waku Waku, I heard your heart shaped object is pretty strong. May I see it?
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>>3998455
>To be fair, they cut that out of the movie too.
I know, but still.
>I wonder what the idea behind that was? Is there some reason in the author's mind why Africa shriveled like a prune? Was it even intentional, or did they just get lazy drawing that part?
If I had to guess, I'd say it's supposed to be an intentional depiction of how a state such as the one presented in that game would view poorer or more resource-starved nations, by having them mark nearly the whole continent as being "unexploitable" and weirdly small for some reason.
Or the World Union literally harvested the mass from the continent itself and that's what Africa actually looks like now, I have no clue. The game opens up by talking about harvesting another star to save our own sun, the sky's the limit as far as we know.
>The fears aren't even the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that I just don't want to play Deltarune this month, but now I have to, because otherwise its gonna get ruined by spoilers.
Oh, I see.
I don't have a whole lot of advice for that honestly, but I guess I sympathize?
Uh, do things at your own pace, I'd say, and try and stay away from anywhere that might have spoilers for a bit.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but I probably just won't talk about it until it's been a few weeks anyway, and even then I'll be censoring things whenever anything new comes up.
Hopefully the rest of the anons here will at least adhere to some kind of gentleman's agreement on the matter, but who knows.
>spoiler
Alright, well you could've said that and I'd have left it alone, I can respect it when you don't wanna talk about something, but the silent treatment doesn't exactly convey that.
I guess I'll just have to Imagine™ how Reynault would react to my hilarious "you look like you've seen a ghost" line after I rise from the dead.
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>>3998461
>I heard your heart shaped object is pretty strong.
We all know Val would call the souls "fighting spirit" that's what Zaer already does
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>>3998462
>Hopefully the rest of the anons here will at least adhere to some kind of gentleman's agreement on the matter, but who knows.
NTA, I will censor my text and images and much as possible and take discussion mostly on the /v/ threads, but there's always the possibility of shitposters coming here just to spoil things
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>>3998463
He picked the term up from the other flowers
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>>3998462
>but the silent treatment doesn't exactly convey that.
Sorry, its just sometimes I fear that even saying something is a spoiler is too much of a spoiler.
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>>3998467
Our boy has gotten weak, getting so easily influenced by the other kids
Wait a fucking second, whats the meaning of those flowers being the souls from UT? Shouldn't those human kids be dead? Or alive? Did they die in the Deltarune timeline and their ashes were spread on those flowers? As far as I recall those flowers were part of Asgore and Toriel's wedding, why do they turn into those darkners in chapter 5?
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>>3998466
Other anon here, honestly I may just have to make peace with it and stop giving a shit about Deltarune now so I can accept being left out and getting spoiled. That way I can at least come back later and play it for fun, rather than blitzing through it to get it over with.

I had a bad time doing that in chapter 4, and a genuinely horrible time doing that in DRY.

If only this weren't one of the few games that spoilers actually can ruin.
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>>3998468
>Sorry, its just sometimes I fear that even saying something is a spoiler is too much of a spoiler.
I understand that, but no one here knows your story like you do, so it's not like anyone's actually going to be able to piece anything together based on general concepts being referred to as spoiler-related.
It's like that one Homestuck animation I saw that shows the perspective of that one bunny plush throughout the comic that's technically spoilers for about half the entire comic but also literally none of it makes any fucking sense unless you know everything that's happening anyway.
I saw someone describe it as "spoilers, but good luck getting spoiled on anything".
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>>3998469
I think its just a symbolic connection. They aren't literally them, but will be their darkner equivalent. Like Spamton and Tenna were to Mettaton.
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>>3998471
>so it's not like anyone's actually going to be able to piece anything together based on general concepts being referred to as spoiler-related.
I would. At least I fear I would if I were an outside observer. I've seen people get damn close before.
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>>3998472
So we got the perfect excuse to say that those darkners aren't literally meant to be Cole/Val in Deltarune then? Just representation of those souls?
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>>3998469
I assume they are the embodiment of their soul color trait. I don't think they contain any ash of any dead human kids.
I think they are supposed to only represent 7 kids for UT, while not actually being them

>tfw tsunderswap predicted chapter 5
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This has all got me thinking, maybe shadow drops are a bad practice. Toby just dropped this on our heads and caught us unprepared, and its affecting people's ability to enjoy the game. Whereas people had time to prepare for 3 and 4, and weren't ambushed by it in the midddle of the night.
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>>3998419
>>3998422
god the mike trio is bad enough I don't need the Deltarune equivalent of Smiling Critter faggotry
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>>3998475
People are afraid of it coloring people's views and making the other characters feel fake and wrong.
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>>3998477
I think the vast majority of people are excited and quite alright with the timing of the reveal. especially since we were told it was happening this year.
No offense to the anons here but, it's genuinely a problem of a few peoples very specific autism and local fangame fears. Anyone not involved making a fangame somewhere is just thinking "oh yipee deltarune early in the summer!"
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>>3998475
Yeah, but it can help in fleshing them out.
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>>3998480
Nah, don't worry, that's not literally Cole, that's just a flower that shares his justice trait... and his interest in the wild west
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>>3998473
>I would. At least I fear I would if I were an outside observer.
Eh, guess that depends on how predictable you are.
For whatever it's worth, I don't think I could predict anything about where Oldentale is going to go throughout its story, unless I hit the nail on the head with my Marathon Infinity speculation, which I find unlikely, and I've been keeping an eye on just about every bit of information I can find from you on your game.
>I've seen people get damn close before.
Sometimes people make good shots in the dark, but very few people can BBC Sherlock the entire story out of their ass, so I'd say it's mostly fine here.
Besides, you can always just intentionally obfuscate things by lying whenever someone gets close, if you feel like.
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>>3998481
The issue here is that I'm not prepared mentally or physically for Deltarune. Now I'm gonna have to force myself to play and clear out my schedule on two weeks notice. I'd have had this problem even if I weren't involved in fangames.

Plus, for the purposes of fangame creation, you actually do need to consider this community when considering what you're going to do, since you're developing here.
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>>3998483
But will people see it that way?
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>>3998486
yeah I get that, I covered that in my post. that's a unique problem to here. in the wider deltarune fanbase it's not really an issue.
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>>3998487
It doesn't matter, we got plausible deniability, one that's more solid than Flowey being on UTY
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>>3998484
Well I haven't played Marathon Infinity, so I wouldn't know. Can't rule it out though since I seem to be very skilled at accidentally copying people.

>, you can always just intentionally obfuscate things by lying whenever someone gets close
Who says I didn't?
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>>3998488
I don't see why it would be unique. I covered that even without any involvement with fangames, I'd still have to shut off all internet access and lock myself in until I finish it to avoid spoilers, which means clearing my schedule and doing it regardless of if I actually want to play Deltarune at that time.
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>>3998351
But in that case why cheat instead of just playing through it? Why go through the effort of going through the save file instead of simply blitzing through the fight with the Black Shard, which i will generously assume you got from fighting the ch3 secret boss?
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>>3998492
because most people do not click that way when it comes to video games. "oh video game is releasing?" and then they play it. At worst you get adults who are upset they didn't have more time to ask for time off work but that's the extent of it on average.
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>>3998491
>Well I haven't played Marathon Infinity, so I wouldn't know.
It would be very funny for that to be the case, but I'm not betting on it.
Not in anything past a surface level anyway, though based on some stuff you've said before I may have just a bit of stock in Racter escaping into the waves, if he makes it out.
>Can't rule it out though since I seem to be very skilled at accidentally copying people.
I think that's being a bit harsh on yourself, it's not "copying", it's just convergent evolution.
Like I said before, when you have so many stories doing so many things, it's hard not to have little similarities here and there.
Like when I compared Caliborn and Darkblade, they have some surface level similarities, but they really aren't that similar outside of the magically stunted growth thing and being edgelords.
>Who says I didn't?
...Well I mean at that rate, is this really a problem then?
You could just be bullshitting me 100% of the time and I wouldn't know any better, so does it really matter if you occasionally brush up against something real for a second if there's no way for anyone to tell the difference anyway?

Can I at least know if Reynault would like that joke I mentioned?
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>>3998493
>But in that case why cheat instead of just playing through it?
Because I was right there, utterly tired of playing Deltarune, and just wanted to get it over with. As I said before, I was in an internet embargo, I had to replay all of Deltarune in the week before the new chapters release because I lost my save, and then had to get through those so I could be free to go back on the internet without fear of spoilers.

> instead of simply blitzing through the fight with the Black Shard,
Because I was pressed for time. This was the night after release, I was going in blind, and didn't even know how to get the mantle, let alone have the time to replay chapter 3 to get it, then beat the knight, I didn't even know there was a black shard at the time. Hell, maybe no one did, this was the day after release.

At that point I was at my save right before the Titan fight, couldn't go back for items, didn't have time to replay from my earlier save, knew this had to be the final boss, and just wanted it to be over so I could end the embargo.

If I couldn't have cheated for whatever reason, I probably would've just looked the ending up on youtube, I was that tired of playing, and did not want to spend another day doing literally fuck all (as in actually doing nothing being bouts of playing) just to avoid spoilers.
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>>3998495
>Racter escaping into the waves, i
What does that mean?

>spoiler
which one?
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>>3998494
I envy people that can just be up for whatever, whenever.
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>>3998501
just how it goes in the great wheel of autism. Even I am here thinking "wow I'd rather talk about fangames than chapter 5" and I'm slowly getting myself into gear to spend some days pouring over what happens in chapter 5 to properly enjoy it. For others it's just the flip of a switch, and as long as your game is as widely known as deltarune is, toby isn't going to lose any overall reach this way.
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>>3998502
It isn't about losing reach. Its just something that feels shitty to do, especially when you are an autist and know exactly how bad it is when the shoe is on the other foot.
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Echidna is definitely not going to be a real thing, but I think it sounds like a neat concept for a monster mythological deity, like an alternative to the angel religion.

I don't really have a story to fit this so just throwing the idea for you guys.
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>>3998499
>What does that mean?
In a literal sense, as Marathon Infinity puts it, the character develops their powers to such an extent that they are no longer subject to the forces of the world around them, allowing them to effectively leave their universe and exist as a higher entity.
"The waves", in this literal interpretation, becomes the greater whole of existence around them, as opposed to the world they were forced to exist within before.
In a metanarrative sense, this would be the character stepping out beyond the bounds of their story, gaining a greater understanding of what they are and the nature of their existence as a story, among other things.
>which one?
The "you look like you've seen a ghost" line, that I would use after returning from the dead in front of him. Or anyone, really. It's a great line, I've been waiting for a good chance to use it basically my entire life. If the answer to this question is somehow spoilers, I'll leave it, just indicate whether that's the case. I feel like he would appreciate the joke, but I do also like the idea of him being so broken up about the prospect of me being dead that he actually wouldn't be in the mood for that kind of thing right then and there, because of course I would think that.
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>>3998503
not every autist is geared the same. Toby is leaving nearly 20 days up for this. The vast majority of people will be ready to play the game by then. Again, most people are more ready to engage in something new than we are.
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>>3998505
Echidna was just a dev test thing with a clever name. A bit like the hidden Goku in Guilty Gear if it had a clever name.
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>>3998506
That might be a spoiler, I can't answer that.
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>>3998507
Well it still feels shitty to me, and gives me pause about doing that with my game.
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>>3998511
it's not something that's wise to do anyways if you don't already have a big following like Toby does, and besides if you're releasing it here, there's a much higher volume of autists that are affected by things like that than in the broader world, so there's reasoning to that.
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>>3998510
Huh, how about that?
I think I remember you saying I had "red herring precognition" in response to part of the rentry I made with my thoughts on NanQuest, and maybe that was accurate.
At this rate I'll be killing every other conversation we have about your game by accidentally making a joke that lines up with your story.
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>>3998508
>A bit like the hidden Goku in Guilty Gear if it had a clever name.
The hidden Goku is used as a template for all the other characters in that Guilty Gear game, if you delete him the entire game stops working because now all the other characters can't inherit that Goku's functions
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>>3998516
>freeing Goku would destroy Guilty Gear
We would lose nothing, and gain everything.
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>>3998515
>red herring precognition
Red herring precognition is seeing a red herring before it happens. In this case, thinking of the divine punishment thing before the story presented it as a red herring.

This is just narrative precognition.
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>>3998516
To my knowledge, that's what Echidna is in Undertale's code. Its the mother of monsters, that being the template monster all others are derived from.
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>>3998516
>>3998518
Maybe that should be Naranja's secret super boss. You can free Echnidna from the code to fight it, but killing it destroys the game, so you're forced to load a save. So its like the path of pain, and you would only do it just to prove you can.

Maybe the pacifist resolution is you re-sealing it, gaining nothing because you technically fled from the fight.
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>>3998518
>Red herring precognition is seeing a red herring before it happens. In this case, thinking of the divine punishment thing before the story presented it as a red herring.
See, I'm still not sure about that, just because we don't actually know what everyone did to actually end up in the hotel anyway.
Like, what grievous sin did Kim commit to end up there?
Was that ever brought up, because I swear I can't find anything about that.
I know that's only one example but my point stands, it doesn't fit unless it fits them all, and we don't even know if Nan herself did anything before she entered the hotel either!
I still think about this.
I need to actually read that damn Q&A log.
>This is just narrative precognition.
Ah, so I got an upgrade to my psychic powers then?
Neat.
I'll refrain from using my ability to sorta see the future to spoil your game as best I can help it though, even if that means I get to talk about it less.
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>>3998520
meant for >>3998517
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>>3998521
>See, I'm still not sure about that,
It seems to have been a pretty cut and dry red herring by the end of the story. They may have all had their sins, but the hotel was preying on them because it made them easy targets, not because it wanted to punish them.

>Ah, so I got an upgrade to my psychic powers then?
Or I just talk too much.
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prove me wrong,
undyne is a genuine fascist. And I dont meet the insult, I mean the academic term for fascist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism
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>>3998524
Of course she's a fascist, she literally reforms the underground into a militant empire bent of eradicating humanity if she takes over, this isn't even an argument.
I don't mean that as an insult either, she literally just is an extreme advocate for authoritarian political systems, we know this.
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>>3998524
In the empress ending she is. Otherwise she's just a really passionate nationalist. She doesn't have any real opinions on policy outside of the one ending.
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>>3998524
I agree actually, but she never gets to implement her vision outside of some neutral endings
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>>3998523
>They may have all had their sins, but the hotel was preying on them because it made them easy targets, not because it wanted to punish them.
I guess?
I still feel like that doesn't entirely work either just because there are *almost* recognizable patterns to how the hotel operates, but not quite.
I dunno, it's just something that stuck with me.
I like the comic, I like the characters, but it's got a lot of fridge problems that I can't let go of.
Hey, fitting for around here, isn't it?
>Or I just talk too much.
Eh, if it's any consolation, I was basing that joke just on the fact that I like Reynault as a character and I like knowing how he'd react to certain things.
And also because the idea that a normally mostly-unbothered person such as him would be very upset if I died is a nice thought to me because I am a broken person.
Anyway, please don't take this as an indication to talk about your game, setting, characters, etc, less, because I like talking about these things with you because I find them interesting, just let me know whenever something gets to be a bit too specific and I'll back off.
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>>3998524
I like how you said "prove me wrong", and then literally no one disagreed with you.
Like yeah, of course she's a fascist, authoritarianism is a broad political ideology, lots of things fit into it, obviously the hyper-militant centralized-state loving fish is fascist.
Next you're gonna be telling us the UNSC is fascist too!
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>>3998530
>Next you're gonna be telling us the UNSC is fascist too!
Eh, they don't have quite the rhetoric for it. They're not all in on the destruction of the individual and the deification of the state, which is the core of fascism. At least fascism as defined by the creators of the ideology. When defined by anyone else it usually means whatever they personally disagree with.
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Wild east starting a republican revolution in the Underground!
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>>3998531
>They're not all in on the destruction of the individual and the deification of the state, which is the core of fascism.
I dunno, they definitely seemed opposed to the independence of the outer colonies, wanting to keep all human settlements under their umbrella, at least while they could theoretically manage it.
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>>3998534
independence and individuality aren't the same thing
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>>3998535
My bad, but the UNSC does have an actual deep-state that serves to undermine and silence individuals who go against the government, as seen in the "hunt the truth" audio show or whatever you call it, so I don't think it's unfair to call them authoritarian to that extent at least.
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Alright. I am feeling quite unwell, and will resume my roba and martlet obsession after these brief messages

>Renault hopped up on the desk near the front door as Anon made ready to leave, watching the way his human’s jaw set in that peculiarly stubborn way. Oh certainly, Renault had accounted for this possibility, that his favorite fool would be lost one day, but to see things go this way, well… he couldn’t help but take one more poke at things himself.

>“Anon mon coeur, if I might prod you for but a moment more, to pry a few more of your thoughts on this matter?”

>Anon tensed up visibly, pausing a moment before his response, “We’ve been over this Reynault, I have to do this.” Anon shrugged the back over his shoulder, reaching for the doorknob with a forceful determination.

>Reynault smiled despite himself as he raced through ideas, he knew Anon was cut from a different cloth, but surely an idea or two must still be rattling around in this old foxes skull. “Tell my Anon, the expression was ‘Til death do us part,’ was it not? He hopped down from his perch, leaning against the wall near the door, “Surely you owe me a word or three more in the face of that, no?” Anon sighed, gradually lowering his arm as he twisted to face him. In any other case, Reynault would delight in the frustration cutting across Anon’s expression, but he’d only managed to open the conversation to a losing battle.

>Anon frowned as he tried to move things along, “What else do you want me to say, this is bigger than either of us.”
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>>3998540
>He had an in. Fighting back a geckering laugh he retorted, “But of course mon ami, I think you’ll find most everything is bigger than one’s self.” He gestured broadly around him, “why, this house, the trees outside, why, even my own ego!” He caught the faintest amused huff from Anon, before continuing with the momentum, “Would you go die for the mighty bush round the corner?”

>Anon cocked an eyebrow, “No, Reynault. Obviously not.” Anon turned to face him properly, “‘This is much bigger’ means there are lives on the line, I have the chance to change hundreds of thousands of lives!” Anon swung his arm outwards as he raised his voice, “That’s what ‘bigger than us’ means!”

>Reynault stepped closer, raising his own voice, “Oh, And what’s enough? You say you’ll change their lives? How long might that last?” he let himself snicker like punctuation, “And what of the next hundred thousand, are they on their own? Not to mention all the lessons I’m sure these grateful throngs will learn as you solve their problems for them.” His laughter rose to a roar as he threw a finger towards Anon, “Have you even thought for a moment how you might make things worse? Or is playing the hero really more important than your life!”

>The hurt on Anon’s face was clear, different from his usual pranks and stunts, but Reynault had tried every other jape he could think of over the last week to keep things from getting to this point in the first place. Might as well burn it all down grasping for hope eh? He waited for Anon’s response, expecting blood and fury, having finally pushed him too far, crossing one too many lines, but instead the storm receded. Anon looked down, the fury falling from his face as he barely summoned a whisper.

>“This is bigger than me Reynault.”
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>>3998540
Oh boy, this is gonna be one of those ones that gets me feeling like [insert Vegeta rain gif here], isn't it?
This is gonna be good.
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>>3998536
They're absolutely authoritarian, just not fascist specifically. Fascism is a form of ultra nationalism which deifies the state and wishes to completely eradicate the individual as a concept for the sake of the state. There are plenty of authoritarian systems besides fascism.

Going by this definition, Undyne may not even be a fascist. It depends on how much she mandates that everyone else be on board with the monster empire. If she starts Undyne youth groups, and legally mandates all monster children attend them, and mandates that all government officials and business owners join the anti human party (not just support the war, but be active participating party members) then she may be a fascist.
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>>3998541
>A pause, a moment, long enough for a breath of thought and nothing more. Something the damn fox kicked himself for never hearing before. ‘Bigger than me’, not ‘us’. Thoughts roiled though his skull as he looked Anon over before summoning a response of his own. The faint slump in his posture, the look in his eyes. Resignation. Reynault wasn’t one to show weakness easily, but his throat tightened a little as he spoke, “Ah, so that’s the ticket then is it.” he leaned back into the wall, slumping into it himself, “This has all been but a diversion, no?”

>Anon looked up from his sulking, reaching a hand forward, “R-reynault, plea-”

>“No! Non non Anon.” He couldn’t help the chuckle despite the revelations, “I hadn’t realized, though it should have been obvious.” He rolled his hand in the air, “Day after day it must have been on your mind. Unworthy of this little life we’ve had here I suppose?” The words hung in the air awkwardly for a moment before he rasped out a reply, “I can’t quite put my finger on it you know, how that noggin of yours ticks. I thought I might be able to figure it out, how to twist you through my fingers just right to give up on all of this,” He fanned out his fingers before tightening them into a fist, “but how do you tell your favorite pincushion that he’s worth more than this, that he’s selling himself short.” He sighed, before drawing a shuddering breath, wrought with an emotion that he still was shocked to feel.

>After a long moment lost in thought, he felt Anon settle in next to him, he wanted to both wring his neck for this whole affair, and to lean into him. Maybe he’d find time for both before this was all over.

>“Reste… encore un instant, s’il te plaît.”
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>>3998544
Wanted to see if someone here knew the specific unique elements that made fascism distinct

i see you do
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>>3998547
Or maybe you didn't think too hard about it, and are now inventing a justification to explain why you weren't wrong.

Such is life on the internet.
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>>3998548
perhaps you will never know. But genuinely I did asked that question earlier to see if people could figure out arguments against undyne being fascist. Personally from my view she doesnt really fit the definition if you understand griffins full definition
at best she fits para fascism.
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>>3998540
>>3998541
>>3998545
Good stuff anon, nice to see it!
I like the idea that Anon and Reynault have seemingly been on this topic before, and that Reynault's very last resort here is him leveling with him about how much he means to him, that's nice.
I also like how Reynault seems unused to conveying such things to him, that seems about right.
And of course, the last line hitting me like a skewer through the heart, as usual.
God, I don't know if I could bear to leave him like that, after he all but begged me to stay.
I am going to have very sad thoughts about this later tonight.
Again, thank you anon, this is wonderful.
Also, I hope you feel better soon, sorry to hear you're unwell.
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>>3998549
I think we just don't know enough about her reign to ascribe an ideology to it beyond nationalism and ethnocentrism.
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>>3998551
I suppose, theres not a lot of details.
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>>3998544
Not all of this is what makes a fascist though.
Cincinnatus is considered to be a historical fascist, and he wasn't doing most of the things laid out here.
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>>3998553
I wouldn't count the Romans or the Spartans as fascist even if they're the progenitors of it. I consider Mussolini's Italy to be the archetypal fascist state since he's the first one to implement a system of government that describes itself as fascist.

Though at this point we're just arguing different definitions of fascism, which really isn't going to get anywhere. Like I said before, everyone and their mother has their own definition of fascism. Most of which usually exist out of political convenience rather than desire to properly categorize things.

So to avoid a messy political debate that will go nowhere in a thread it really doesn't belong in, I say we end things amicably here, rather get down into the weeds of which specific definition is the correct one.
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>>3998553
Okay im genuinely curious. Do you have a source for that. I dont recall any modern academic scholars of fascism calling cincinnatus a fascist. Can you provide a source for that claim?.
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>>3998557
Yeah, best we end it before we enter "Is Wario a libertarian" territory.
Though honestly, Wario has more to go off of.
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>>3998559
wait before we end that, I really want to know, what do you base your claim on. This is the first time I hear something extreme like this. Is there a fascist scholar that says this?
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>>3998559
Wario is an egoist. He believes in himself and no one else. Everything he does is good because he does it and everyone else only matters as far as they serve him. Really a lot of vidya villains are this way.

His actual political stance would change depending on what benefits him at the moment.

And while I'm at it, Reynault's politics change depending on who he's trolling
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>>3998560
I am sorry to disappoint, but I actually do not remember where I first heard that.
I simply remember seeing a description of Cincinnatus referring to him as being a kind of fascist ruler, primarily due to the power he wielded, rather than how he actually utilized his political power before giving it up.
If I manage to find where I heard this from, I will post it in these threads at some point, but for now, all I have is memory.
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>>3998560
Just give this guy some names he can punch into google and be done with it. Don't elaborate any further. We really don't want to get into the weeds here.
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>>3998550
>And of course, the last line hitting me like a skewer through the heart, as usual.
>God, I don't know if I could bear to leave him like that, after he all but begged me to stay.
maybe you stay for now, and maybe neither of you know when for now will end. Only time will tell what comes after that fateful plea, the closest thing that rat of a fox could possibly manage to a moment of weakness.
Glad you liked it anon.
>Also, I hope you feel better soon, sorry to hear you're unwell.
thank you anon, I've delayed myself on that one lewd story because of this, but there's plenty of other things to write while this goes on. I need to write more of the bird but I've got dual powered bird and fox rot and so they have to share my mental real estate.

>and that Reynault's very last resort here is him leveling with him about how much he means to him, that's nice
what else can he say at this point? Who knows if it even worked.
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>>3998562
damnit. Well i will try to find it because Ive never heard one fascist scholar claim this. Maybe I have to look deeper but its such a unique claim i havent heard before.
Alright ending the discussion here.
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>>3998284
>He's never gonna finish it, is he? Why do so many lets players drop UTY after one episode?
UTY isn't hard but it starts very slow. I can see why someone blind to it might go "THIS is what people are obsessed over???" It's not bad at all for a fangame, but it's unremarkable until you see Martlet.
Consider that for games, especially ones played by streamers blind, the introduction is what sells it and people who are bored in the first ten minutes may never play it again.
Naranja would probably do much better because of how original it is and because it fits with Joel's interest in wrestling. It's just very hard towards the start but the beginning difficulty is something to be balanced against dullness.
>>3998322
>You've got to understand that he isn't just selfish, but fundamentally believes in the philosophy of the self.
So he is a Stirnerite?
>>3998358
>$20
>very positive reviews
It probably is better than posts here suggest.
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>>3998561
Actually, there are instances of Wario occasionally (*very* occasionally) doing something good for someone else to no real benefit for himself.
As seen in this brief video documenting the occasional act of non-malicious/selfish behavior from Wario: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXiCirj5QQ
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>>3998566
>Naranja would probably do much better because of how original it is and because it fits with Joel's interest in wrestling
Not even gonna mention the duendes? Because I think the duende with the red circle attack would have him rolling.

>So he is a Stirnerite?
I did mention egoism in that conversation. I haven't read up on the philosophy, but I don't think he would agree with it completely. Egoism is one of those philosophies that doesn't leave much room for its interaction with reality. You can call something a spook all you want, it's still there and will kill you if you don't take it into account. And acting like a psycho all the time is generally bad for your health. At least that's my understanding of it at least. As I said, I'm not the most familiar with it.

Spamton is 1997% an egoist though. Like specifically the idiotic meme version of it.
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>>3998564
>maybe you stay for now, and maybe neither of you know when for now will end. Only time will tell what comes after that fateful plea, the closest thing that rat of a fox could possibly manage to a moment of weakness.
Well since the anon was stated to be based on my own views of such things earlier, I suppose only I could know when/if I would leave Reynault in such a circumstance.
I guess it would have to depend on the stakes, and the time involved.
But really, it's never going to feel good, having to hurt him like that. I would love so much to be able to tell him that I'm not going anywhere, that I'll remain at his side, but I don't think I could condemn the world for that, either.
>Glad you liked it anon.
I did, it was very good.
>thank you anon, I've delayed myself on that one lewd story because of this, but there's plenty of other things to write while this goes on. I need to write more of the bird but I've got dual powered bird and fox rot and so they have to share my mental real estate.
Ah, I hope your other writing goes well too.
>what else can he say at this point? Who knows if it even worked.
I would stay, for a moment longer.
At the very least.
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>>3998565
Okay, not a scholarly source, but I did find this image of a statue of Cincinnatus holding a fasces, so there is some connection between him and the general idea, at least in this one instance.
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>>3998566
I love how this guy was drawing himself acting nonchalant at parties, aura farming, and drawing himself as the chad in the early 19th century. Truly ahead of his time.

Also, now I'm imagining the UT version of this being Darkblade being remembered in the present as this philosophical enlightened figure, when really he was just a dorky teenager writing down edgy shit to sound cool.
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>>3998576
NTA, but I believe that drawing was made by Engels, not Stirner himself.
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>>3998577
Yeah, but still he was holding that "nonchalant pose" long enough for the drawing to be made, and always being drawn with the chad jawline. Look at him, leaning on the table acting he's about all of that with a cigarette in his mouth. Tell me he is not trying his absolute hardest to look cool.
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Finally got around to Deltatraveler Hard Obliteration, completing all routes in the game.

It's very similar to Normal Obliteration. You still kill Napstablook with Rude Buster, you can't kill Toriel (fighting her long enough causes her to forfeit and the route goes on as normal), and Toriel asks if Frisk is feeling well just like with Kris, but Frisk stays silent.

The only interesting deviation pre-Flowey is that Frisk grabs Kris's knife right out of Susie's hands. Twice in the route does Susie threaten to kill Frisk, first after the Napstablook fight and second in this cutscene.

Frisk also has portrait changes on the stat screen, which a comically unfitting smile after you've locked into the genocide route (visible at the end of vid)
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>>3998578
I don't think the drawing itself was meant to be accurate in that sense, based on the positions of the other people in the drawing.
I'm sure Stirner moved at some point during the event depicted in this image.
But yes, he probably did want to look cool.
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>>3998580
And his philosophy sounds exactly like the kind of thing a teenage edgelord would come up with.

Anyways, just the idea of Darkblade's teenage edgelord twitter posts being taken as serious philosophical texts thousands of years later is really funny to me.
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>>3998579
When Flowey sees Frisk he briefly accuses Frisk of being the first fallen human (named "Frisk" in this mode despite being called Chara in any other mode) but then denies it and claims that Kris is actually the fallen human. This lines up with Toriel's misinterpretation of Kris as Chara, I guess. I never did find the Section 3 dialogue an anon told me exists explaining it.

Frisk tries to fight the Delta Warriors after Noelle is found. Kris, who talks in Hard Mode, flashes a red eye in one portrait, and it's the only instance of swearing in the route, a taste of that Deltatraveler Obliteration goodness.

The LOSTCORE is the same except for Gaster's speech, which I'll just copypaste instead of recording it.
>NOW, UNLIKE FOR MY PRIMARY EXPERIMENT
>I HAVE TRACKED THE NUMBER OF MONSTERS THAT YOU HAVE SLAIN.
>YOU HAVE ELIMINATED X MONSTERS ON YOUR JORNEY. ("X" is the number of monsters killed.)
>IT IS QUITE INTERESTING.
>THE LENGTHS THAT YOU WILL GO TO GAIN STRENGHT.
>MURDER. MANIPULATION. POSSESSION.
>RIGHT NOW, I CAN FEEL ANOTHER PRESENCE WITHIN YOU.
>ONE THAT IS VENGEFUL AND WILLING TO END EVERYTHING.
>AFTER ALL...
>YOU HAVE MURDERED THEIR BEST FRIEND.
>Frisk moves forward a few steps.
>AH, I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE HEARING ME AS WELL.
>IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, HAS IT NOT?
>...
> [THERE'S A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR YOU, CHARA]
Then Dess shows up and the dialogue is the same.

I do wish there was more of Deltatraveler made by the author's 2023 mindset, and I'm not being sarcastic. This was very fun, albeit probably not in the way the author intended. Maybe I'll play the Codester's game one day for more edgekino, but for now I want to play Soulblazers and DRY Chapter 2 before Deltarune Chapter 5 releases.
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>>3998573
>I would stay, for a moment longer.
I honestly really like the idea of fitting in french phrases at the end of stories with him, and when your story earlier had that, it was cool. I need to remember to grab the most recent greens and package them up sometime soon.
>Ah, I hope your other writing goes well too.
thanks, I probably will have a flimsy justification at best for some kind of comfort story. we'll see where the night goes.
> I would love so much to be able to tell him that I'm not going anywhere, that I'll remain at his side, but I don't think I could condemn the world for that, either.
maybe he's the Vegeta in the rain, realizing that the plot he needs, he simply doesn't have enough time to perform. the devious plot to make anon believe he's worth staying for.

maybe it's a self indulgent kind of night.
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>>3998581
>And his philosophy sounds exactly like the kind of thing a teenage edgelord would come up with.
Eh, he had a bit too many socialist leanings for me to buy him being a teenage edgelord like Darkblade.
And I doubt Stirner would listen to that Itachi rap too.
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>>3998579
i don't wanna be a judgemental jerry but I feel like that's a bit of an overreach for sooz to just threaten the knock the teeth out of a child nonchalantly like that even if said child is acting out of pocket, I would make her hesitate a little before saying it
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>>3998575
yeah but thats inspiration (im aware of that connections). The fascists were inspired by the past (fasces) but their ideology were unlike those of the past. It was something new.
So i guess you could say fascists were influenced by the past, but the past werent fascist. It was merely influence not copy.
(i will check more on that connection tho)
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>>3998524
She is more of a national socialist. https://youtu.be/jLFsSp3u1mc
Also, there as many types of fascism as there are countries where they spawn. They share a few commonalities. The best explanation I've seen has been Argent's "Is It Fascist?" series analyzing real-world and fictional regimes. It's legitimately a good and honest look.
>>3998540
I hope you feel better, anon.
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>>3998584
Probably so. I just thought the image of "teenage edgelord is taken as philosophical genius a thousand years later" was funny.
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>>3998582
that dialogue with kris is sure something.
>Maybe I'll play the Codester's game one day for more edgekino,
i don't know if it really delivers since it's got less energy behind it compared to deltatraveler which, while bad, has a certain presence to its shittiness.
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>>3998587
Does Undyne do anything socialist though?
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>>3998583
>I honestly really like the idea of fitting in french phrases at the end of stories with him, and when your story earlier had that, it was cool.
Yeah, I like that a lot too, I was inspired by your greens with him when I did that at the end of mine, something about it just really hits me well for emotional stuff.
That last line in the one where Reynault buries Anon genuinely had me tearing up at my desk, been a while since I got hit like that.
>I need to remember to grab the most recent greens and package them up sometime soon.
Yeah, been some good ones recently.
And that green about big Mooch digesting Zartlet, that also happened.
>thanks, I probably will have a flimsy justification at best for some kind of comfort story. we'll see where the night goes.
The comfort story can be its own justification if need be.
Sometimes it's nice to be comforted.
>maybe he's the Vegeta in the rain, realizing that the plot he needs, he simply doesn't have enough time to perform.
Ah, I see.
Knowing exactly what might work, but being unable to pull it off in time, effectively helpless.
>the devious plot to make anon believe he's worth staying for.
That *Anon's* worth staying for, or Reynault?
Because if you're telling me Reynault is having doubts about whether he's worth living for, I am going to be extremely sad.
>maybe it's a self indulgent kind of night.
No harm in being self-indulgent every now and then, that's a big part of what makes these threads work so well.
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>>3998587
thank you anon, I will kill my ailment with kindness in due time.
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>>3998588
It is, you're right.
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>>3998592
>spoilers
I'm honored, genuinely.
>And that green about big Mooch digesting Zartlet, that also happened.
oh yeah that happened huh. I'll have to go hunt that one down.
>That *Anon's* worth staying for, or Reynault?
maybe in one moment the former, and then in the next the latter. Oldentale anon mentioned earlier that he's decisive, but I wonder what he might be thinking during a once in a lifetime moment of weakness like that.

During the first green with him that oldentaleanon wrote, I got the impression that he acts in fairly unique ways when presented with problems he can't solve.
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>>3998587
hmm, I will watch that video series. Thank you for the recommendation
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This is probably an inconvenient time to post an update (right after the chapter 5 trailer...) but I felt like I had to post something. If you know about me, you shouldn't have to ask who I am, but if you don't, maybe this won't matter to you lol
It's been 5 months since my last update, and for one reason or another I've been kept away from working on this for almost half a year now. Which is pretty unfortunate when you spend every day thinking about Undertale Yelow.
But I'm proud to say that I've started making serious progress since my return. Everything writing related I wanted to do I finished last year, so this year I'm just going all in on drawing.
So far, I've put together what I need for a demo and some for the full game. Even began setting up a Gamejolt page. For the demo, I really want it to be out by the end of the summer, so I'm trying to make more progress this year than what I've done in the last two.
Since I'm trying to make regular updates again, expect another update in July. Until then, I'll get whatever I can done.
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>>3998600
And uh have a sketch of something I'm working on
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>>3998600
>>3998604
is this the martlet dating game?
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>>3998600
I probably know you, but I don't know which of the long lost devs you are. There are a lot of those these days.
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>>3998600
>>3998604
I am extremely interested, seeing the bird in this moment.
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>>3998604
That's either a big house, or one room used for a variety of purposes.
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>>3998597
>I'm honored, genuinely.
Yeah, that one was good, definitely got to me a bit.
Something about that last line really got me choked up, I dunno.
>oh yeah that happened huh. I'll have to go hunt that one down.
Oh, here it is: >>3996035
>maybe in one moment the former, and then in the next the latter.
Oh god, I don't want him to think he isn't worth staying alive for, fuck...
Maybe Anon can somehow survive his certain-death and come back and hug Reynault and tell him everything's gonna be okay and that they'll be together forever and he loves him and and and-
>Oldentale anon mentioned earlier that he's decisive, but I wonder what he might be thinking during a once in a lifetime moment of weakness like that.
Yeah, I get the feeling it's not something he'd be prepared to handle, unless it was really telegraphed somehow.
And even then, in this situation, he might've been thinking he could just talk me out of it after a while, only for that to fall apart.
>During the first green with him that oldentaleanon wrote, I got the impression that he acts in fairly unique ways when presented with problems he can't solve.
Yeah, I think he's probably one of the most interesting original characters from these threads in terms of his actual characterization, I really can't wait to see more of him someday, even though it's still gonna be a while.
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>>3996901
three days later and im still indecisive on this.
honestly that one "the gameplay should form the menu, not the other way around" comment from the last /v/ thread has made me think that i should just go with a redesign of the dark world menu (keeping the same theme, obviously.)
there are another two things i want to do that'd benefit from a UI overhaul (one of which is a sixth 'compendium' button for things like enemies and mechanics, otherwise it'd need to be shoved into the key item inventory.)
once im done prepping my saves for chapter 5 i'll probably make a few mockups for ideas i've got in my head.
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>>3998567
Wario having friends and connections instead of being comically evil in every aspect inst saying much, plus, helping people without expecting a reward does lead to them helping you later down the line, so theres still a pragmatic selfish reason for helping people casually
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Played through the entirety of SOULBlazers in one sitting, this was a very bad idea and I feel very fatigued. But the game is quite good
>finally get out of the Deltatraveler mines
>get greeted with this
I'm haunted

The character gimmicks and soul modes felt very good to use and kept the game from getting stale. The bosses were good, although I think the final boss takes things a bit too far with visual effects to the point of being a detriment (but I'll be goddamned if I listen to the game and turn on easy mode, or Meta Bypass as it calls it). The ending of Kris hugging the soul in the real world is wholesome and extremely refreshing after how I see the relationship usually portrayed, especially in Deltatraveler. I recommend the game a lot if you like Zeldemups, though you probably shouldn't play it in one setting the way I did.
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>>3998668
>lthough I think the final boss takes things a bit too far with visual effects to the point of being a detriment
i had a friend play it and he said the same exact thing, but personally i think it plays very well into what the final boss is as a fight of absolute chaos.
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>>3998604
marty...
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>>3998744
What if the white feather of hope in deltarune chapter 5 trailer is Martlet's?
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>>3998754
toby fox here martlet is in the city hall with carol. cole and kanako are in the flower king dark world hunting after susie since she beat up a bunch of darkners in chapter 1 and lancer eventually comes out of kris's inventory and pardons susie for her crimes since he was the last acting ruler of card kingdom. cole and kanako briefly join the fun gang before cole witnesses asgore getting killed by the roaring knight and realizes he should be nicer to his caretaker because time in this world is finite
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>>3998668
>one sitting
Shit anon, I heard that this game is pretty long too
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>>3998755
Bravo Tobias, mucho gracias
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>>3998755
Cole leaves the white feather for the fun gang after getting a good ending of DRY, allowing them to make a good ending for themselves despite the prophecy stating otherwise.
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>>3998762
absolute jinema
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I have noticed an error in DRY. Cole's and Axis's SPARE should be pointy at the end
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>>3998776
unlike DR the sprites are shared with their colors being changed in code instead of being duplicated sprites with just different colors
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To the guy who suggested I play Cave Story, I have beaten it.
I intentionally went for the normal ending first, wanted to save the best ending for a second playthrough.
I definitely see a bit of UT's general tone and humor in this game, I see where Toby got some inspiration from now, though I had been aware of the general inspiration he got from some of the mimigas for the designs of the Dreemurrs.
Very good game, I am going to start a second playthrough immediately.
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>>3997815
The logo for chapter 5 does have a glowing rainbow aura on the website.
deltarune.com
It's probably a coincidence though, but it's fun to pretend too.
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>>3998863
Nice! Yeah I feel like toby had to have been inspired by some of this games spirit. The general feeling of interactions feels like theres a shared lineage. The ost "last battle" is a jam.
Also rip toriko and king

I suggest having a guide for unlocking the secret ending up to avoid missing little things, but I may have already suggested that. I cant help but wonder if toby saw how people missed the secret ending and wanted to be a bit more forceful with how flowey gives you hints.
And then went all in on being secretive with the weird route.
Also did you trade in your starting gun or did you get its true form
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>>3998867
Can we not set off that guy on another 3 hour long tantrum again?
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>>3998863
If you want something besides a standard re-playthough I'm pretty sure there's mods for it.
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>>3998781
But unlike other icons the SPARE ones are different and not identical for Kris & Ralsei compared to Noelle & Susie

It just weird that Toby did it for some reason
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>>3998872
I mean I don't know for sure but didn't someone say that each of the spare graphics were copied over rather than recolored?
Maybe it was an error that was just never fixed.
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>>3998873
https://www.spriters-resource.com/pc_computer/deltarune/asset/110733/
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>>3998869
>Yeah I feel like toby had to have been inspired by some of this games spirit. The general feeling of interactions feels like theres a shared lineage.
I'm like 99% sure Toby himself has mentioned CS as being one of his general inspirations when making UT, but I don't have an exact source on that.
I mean, "Undertale" -> "underground + tale" -> "Cave Story".
I feel like that alone is probably enough, really.
>The ost "last battle" is a jam.
Oh yeah, the OST in general was amazing. I especially liked some of the more somber-sounding tracks, like the song that plays in the room with that one dragon egg, or the song that plays in the area leading up to the final bosses. That track in particular stood out to me, gave things an interesting tone towards the end.
>first spoiler
Yeah, I liked them. King especially, and not even just for the usual reasons.
It's most made light of in-game, but him being the ruler of his people, and being completely helpless to stop someone from enslaving and killing the people he's trying to protect, just makes me wish I could've helped him more somehow, saved him or something.
It's dumb, but I actually ended up using his blade that he gives you as my main weapon for the rest of the run. It was probably my favorite to use, but also so his blade could be the one to strike down the man who had caused so much suffering to him and his people.
I dunno, it's the autism.
>I suggest having a guide for unlocking the secret ending up to avoid missing little things, but I may have already suggested that.
Yeah, you recommended as such before, I'll be having a guide for when I get to the important bits.
>I cant help but wonder if toby saw how people missed the secret ending and wanted to be a bit more forceful with how flowey gives you hints.
Oh, probably, yeah. Toby was pretty laid back when it came to UT's difficulty for the most part, so it wouldn't surprise me if CS's secret ending inspired him to make sure people wouldn't miss it so easily.
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>>3998869
>And then went all in on being secretive with the weird route.
Well, DR seems a bit harder than UT was, so I imagine he might be considering UT to effectively be DR's tutorial in certain aspects, so it makes sense it would be a tougher time overall.
>second spoiler
Ah, yes.
I actually held on to the Polar Star throughout my playthrough, but I didn't end up getting the true version of it, I didn't find it.
I think I can find it on my own this time, some things are standing out to me a bit more, having just cleared the Egg Corridor in my second playthrough just now.
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>>3998871
Maybe for a third playthrough, I usually only go for non-standard things once I've seen most everything the base game has to offer.
I still haven't even installed Shifter for Deus Ex yet, and I've gone through DX like five times now. Still need to do my annual playthrough sometime soon...
Maybe Cave Story will end up being one of those games I go back through every so often, it seems like a good game for that.
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>>3998880
>It's dumb, but I actually ended up using his blade that he gives you as my main weapon for the rest of the run. It was probably my favorite to use, but also so his blade could be the one to strike down the man who had caused so much suffering to him and his people.
>I dunno, it's the autism
Its the based kind of autism
Also I wonder if kings "soul?" Coming out of his sword in that one attack inspired the whole asriel flowey thing, with the essence imparting into something .
I may try to salvage my old pc sometime to recover my old cavestory folder and upload it. Some cool king blade art in there somewhere that you'd probably like.
>somber-sounding tracks, like the song that plays in the room with
Yeah, its got a noticable emotional range in its music for being a short little game. Moonsong and the song that plays if you take kazumas offer to abandon the island
Again probably a way in which toby was inspired in how undertale has incomplete-ish endings.
>>3998881
>so it makes sense it would be a tougher time overall.
Thats fair, deltarune is still nothing id consider "hard" but he pulls punches less.

>I think I can find it on my own this time, some things are standing out to me a bit more, having just cleared the Egg Corridor in my second playthrough just now.
Nice, good luck with it anon
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>>3998887
How did Toby get away with copying mimigas without being called a hack?
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>>3998887
>first spoiler
I thought about that for a bit too actually.
I'd say it's *possible*, but with how subtle it is, I'm not too sure about it.
It was very cool to see that for the first time when I got the sword to level 3 though, I'm a sucker for stuff like that.
>I may try to salvage my old pc sometime to recover my old cavestory folder and upload it. Some cool king blade art in there somewhere that you'd probably like.
I would like to see them if you can grab them, yes.
I also have gotten ideas for potential drawings of King, but you know how I am.
>Yeah, its got a noticable emotional range in its music for being a short little game.
It's very well done, yes. I actually stopped for a moment to just listen to the music before the final bosses, just to take in the atmosphere.
>second spoiler
I actually had to go and listen to it just now on youtube, since I didn't get that ending.
I usually don't like to go for endings like that, I like to try and get the more heroic ending whenever possible, but of course I've spoken at length about that before.
Plus, it wouldn't have felt right to just up and leave, not after King gave me his sword.
>Thats fair, deltarune is still nothing id consider "hard" but he pulls punches less.
Eh, I'd say the Knight's decently hard.
Still have to go back for that one, too...
>Nice, good luck with it anon
Thanks, I'll play my best.
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>>3998894
Whether someone is a hack or not just depends on if you like how they used the inspirations, and for the record theres been people screeching that hes a hack for 10 or so years now.
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>>3998897
>I thought about that for a bit too actually.
>I'd say it's *possible*, but with how subtle it is, I'm not too sure about it.
Yeah I cant say definitively but theres enough possibility that I personally cant dismiss the possible connection completely.
>I would like to see them if you can grab them, yes.
>I also have gotten ideas for potential drawings of King, but you know how I am.
I'll at least take a shot at turning it on,

>I like to try and get the more heroic ending whenever possible, but of course I've spoken at length about that before
>Plus, it wouldn't have felt right to just up and leave, not after King gave me his sword
Its not an ending I actually want to do, but I've always felt like the presence of endings like that, make the good endings that much more meaningful. The fact that you CAN run away makes the decision to stay and fight something more "real" even in a game.
Autism.
>Eh, I'd say the Knight's decently hard.
My sense of difficulty is a bit skewed. The knight is a bit tough, but the game doesn't even make you go through its whole healthbar if you want to win so its a mixed bag for me. I want more like it though.
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>>3998903
>Yeah I cant say definitively but theres enough possibility that I personally cant dismiss the possible connection completely.
Like I said, it's possible, I just don't think it's a given necessarily.
>I'll at least take a shot at turning it on,
Alright, cool.
Was there more to this statement at some point?
Because the comma followed by unfilled space is kinda weird.
>The fact that you CAN run away makes the decision to stay and fight something more "real" even in a game.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
The choice to do good means just a bit more when the choice to do bad is equally present.
>My sense of difficulty is a bit skewed. The knight is a bit tough, but the game doesn't even make you go through its whole healthbar if you want to win so its a mixed bag for me. I want more like it though.
Eh, fair enough.
It's harder without the shadow mantle, and before they nerfed it, but it's still probably the hardest thing DR's ever given us so far.
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>>3998927
>Was there more to this statement at some point?
>Because the comma followed by unfilled space is kinda weird
Yeah but I have no idea what I said. The words got gonered.
Either way it turned on and ive managed to grab some of my old /v/ folders. Cavestory, launch era undertale. Ill take some time later to see about uploading some of that at least, though I think the computer I had even before that one back in highschool may be a lost cause, but at least, there's nothing thread relevant on it.

>Yeah, I know what you mean.
>The choice to do good means just a bit more when the choice to do bad is equally present.
Exactly! Its a big part of what makes Undertale special in my opinion.
>It's harder without the shadow mantle, and before they nerfed it, but it's still probably the hardest thing DR's ever given us so far.
Yeah, without shadow mantle it chunks you pretty hard, thats how I ran the fight and I'm skeptical when we'll get something like that, thay commits to the bit. Like will there be a rematch eventually that uses the unused moves?

Makea me kind of curios about unused moves in local fangames
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>>3998938
>Makea me kind of curios about unused moves in local fangames
at least for DRY there are no unused moves, in fact I struggle to even come up with the current moves I have, and if anyone has more ideas for more moves for the bosses I'm all ears because I just can't think of anything else (and specially toster needs more moves I think)
I guess the only actual unused stuff is the test moves which are just some rotating boxes and basic bullets
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>>3998938
>Makea me kind of curios about unused moves in local fangames
>>3998940
Same for Naranja, I also struggle to come up with moves, the only unused ones are attacks I made for a debug fight.
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>>3998940
I was curious about DRY to be honest since it has a lot of the more unique attack patterns like what we expect to see in deltarune, as well as all the criminal fights, but I guess I can see how having to make attacks for each and everyone of those can run you dry.

I'll be interested in throwing suggestions out there when we have more of an idea of the upcoming darkners. I'll give chapter 2 another playthrough soon, I only remember one toster attack offhand.
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>>3998945
Kind of the same thought here, I guess if there was a general theme that could be thrown out thay wouldnt spoil anything, it might help for workshopping some ideas to throw at yall.
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>>3998949
I should have asked around here for help in that regard, most of the attacks for UTN are already finished and the ones that are left to implement I'm not sure if I could explain them here without spoilers, but since you asked, I'm open for suggestions for Pastra, I could give her one or two more attacks, the only condition is that those attacks must include cyan bullets, some of those suggestions could also be later used for enemies with a similar theme too.
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>>3998952
Alright sure I'll give that some thought. No guarantee my idea will be good but Ive got something half baked in the back of my head
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How would val vs other orange soul protagonists go?
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>>3998963
Everyone always forget the tough gloves are meant to be pink
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>>3998963
is this from a game or just twitter art?
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It's funny to me how Undyne was the character people talked about being fascist last night, when UT has a canonical fascist whose rule we actually have some information on, and everything about them lines up with what was discussed last night.
Mettaton.
His reign over the underground ticks about every box that was brought up last night.
Deification of the state (mandatory worship of him, the head of state), oppression of the individual (people get unperson'd for criticizing him or acting against him), extreme centralization (all members of government seem to answer to him directly, at least for his "agents"), etc.
Based on what we hear of the underground in his ending, I wouldn't be surprised if there were "Metta-youth" groups or something similar either.

Seriously, why does no one ever talk about how weirdly dark Mettaton's neutral ending is?
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>>3998997
maybe it's less common for people do the run that leads to his ending or something, and it's less stuck in peoples minds because he's less of the fandom darling than the other characters who can get unique endings, so people just forget about it or something.

But yeah when it's brought up it's hard to deny. It really says a lot about him as a character.
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>>3998952
>>3998955
so I was thinking of how Dalvs attack circles around you, but you could do something like that with the little projectiles, but maybe every other projectile is cyan, with those converging on the player and then returning (or crossing all the way through to a gap left by another projectile) when it stops to change direction

or maybe while another attack is going on, cyan projectiles spawn around the edge of the battle box, and cut across the area in the order they appeared.

I don't know, I feel like there's something you could do with the rotating projectiles around the player but with the cyan bullets, but you need some kind of other thread so the player doesn't just stand there and exit the obstacle.
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>>3998963
OUR HERO could handle them with ease.
>>3998965
it's funny to me every time I see that image with all the dead orange fangames, just how many orange gloves I see.
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>>3998998
>maybe it's less common for people do the run that leads to his ending or something
Probably, yeah.
I think you have to kill Toriel, Undyne, and Asgore in order to get it?
>But yeah when it's brought up it's hard to deny. It really says a lot about him as a character.
Yeah, it's really weird to see.
Going off of each of the character's endings, Mettaton is almost certainly one of the more evil characters in the game, just based on the unpersoning thing alone.
This is why he doesn't get to be considered part of the main cast, he can't behave himself.
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I just noticed my Martlet talon image has a small patch of unerased color from the colorize mask tool left visible, I am going to take my head off with a fucking twelve gauge.
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>>3999012
do something more on-brand
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>>3999020
What?
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>>3999012
Hah, jokes on you, I dont even know what a colorize mask tool is!
Its fiiiine.
>>3999006
>This is why he doesn't get to be considered part of the main cast, he can't behave himself.
Careful anon, the metaton youth may have already reported you for these thought crimes against the state
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>>3999022
>I dont even know what a colorize mask tool is!
It's a tool Krita (and probably other softwares, I wouldn't know) has that makes coloring easier, making it so enclosed areas can be colored in much faster as opposed to coloring manually.
Coloring used to be a chore for me, now it's much simpler.
When I actually get it right, that is.
Other times, I get what was seen in the screenshot there.
>Its fiiiine.
Maybe, but it's irritating to me, and I don't think I can replace it where it matters even if I did fix it.
>the metaton youth may have already reported you for these thought crimes against the state
I will shout the truth from the rooftops, he can never silence what's right!
This is why he didn't get to be part of Asriel's boss fight.
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>>3999023
Huh I didn't know color masks existed, but after looking at a guide it seems to be exactly what I needed all these years, maybe I can finally color my stuff
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>>3999023
>Maybe, but it's irritating to me, and I don't think I can replace it where it matters even if I did fix it.
Very well then, 7 generations of shame and all that.
>This is why he didn't get to be part of Asriel's boss fight.
Mettaton is a fun character but maybe the emotional beats would have been a bit less there with him
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>>3999024
In Krita it looks like this.
I don't know what it looks like or is called in any other programs, but I'm sure other versions of it exist.
There's also a different function in Krita that just lets you draw over one layer in particular, but contains whatever you draw to the bounds of that layer, which I also remember being referred to as a mask of some kind, but I don't know.
I mostly just use it for shading, when I can be bothered to actually do shading.
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>>3999027
>Very well then, 7 generations of shame and all that.
Agony.
Pain.
Mild discomfort.
I'm in hell.
>Mettaton is a fun character but maybe the emotional beats would have been a bit less there with him
Yeah, probably.
I bet he's super pissed Asriel didn't consider him important enough to be part of the main group of lost souls though, if he somehow knew about that.
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>>3998140
I was gonna say the same as >>3998140.
It's impressive how many Chapter 3/4 storybeats were predicted (there's even a TV-head guy in one of the slideshows). However, to be somewhat expected with a fangame they made the Tenna analogue a faggier Tumblr sexyman. This version is much less charismatic.
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>>3998997
Well, it's because he at least doesn't declare total ningen death when he comes to power unlike Undyne

He's ending is honestly preferable to Undyne's
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>>3999035
Okay, but Undyne doesn't force people to watch garbage television under threat of death.
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>>3999036
There's no evidence that he kills anybody. Perhaps they get sent to a mental asylum for being mad enough to not like him
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>>3999037
That sounds like something an agent of Mettaton's fanclub would say.
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>>3999038
In my aborted genoslides I always make sure to kill jobdyne so I would get a better ending, so I guess that counts
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Huh, I usually don't think about too many naughtier things with Martlet, but I just had a great idea for her.
Imagine plucking one of her feathers (gently, mind you, don't want to hurt her), having her stripped naked and tied up with her legs spread, and using that feather to tease her clit, edging her for hours on end, until she's practically begging and crying to be allowed to cum.
She's had it too good for too long, I've gotta do this to her sometime.
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Do you think that Friend Inside Me is going to appear in chapter 5? Atleast as the Mikes type thing
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>>3999056
Toby made a Friend Inside Me joke on his twitter account a while back, I'd say it's possible.
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>>3999057
It's just that it has been memed on so much, it almost feels not real to pull off
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>>3999058
Eh, like I said, it's possible, but not certain.
At the very least, I'd say we'll get something that could be interpreted as a loose reference to it, when viewed with a certain kind of schizophrenia.
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I wonder if Quetzali bites are venomous or not
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>>3999079
We talked about this, snakes with long fangs like Quetzali are usually venomous, but the thing is that since she's a monster her venom probably won't be that dangerous unless she really wants to harm you, maybe it has a side effect like getting your ditzy or making you sleepy, but it won't kill you
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>>3999097
Would she try sucking out the venom after accidentally biting you?
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>>3999099
Would that even work with magic venom? Maybe you body just absorbs the stuff as soon as it enters you, like when eating magic food, but the act of trying to suck out the venom could count as healing magic since she's trying to heal you, that wouldn't remove the venom itself, you'd need to use a spell that clears status effects for that
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>>3999102
I don't think it works with normal venom either. It is more so that the act itself matters on an emotional level.
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>>3999107
>due to how monster magic works the emotional act itself is enough to undo the effects of the venom
sounds cute actually
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>>3999097
In DRN Quetzali sells her "Gamer Girl Snake Oil" as a side gig
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>>3999112
That's assuming DRN Quetzali is really attractive by monster society beauty standards
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>>3999117
No, it's mostly people wanting to get high from her venom

She doesnt sell it anymore though, she was arrested for drug trafficking
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>>3999119
>No, it's mostly people wanting to get high from her venom
Then why did she specify it was from a "gamer girl"? Why not buy snake oils from a random snake monster like Jockington or Sir Slither?
>She doesnt sell it anymore though, she was arrested for drug trafficking
Damm, I wonder how many natural substances from monsters are labeled as drugs in Deltarune
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>>3999122
Because they are not venomous and it is also good marketing as well. It is rumored to make gamers go "Waku Waku"

Quetzali probably thinks that humans sell "bath water" because it is supposed to have healing properties or something

>Damm, I wonder how many natural substances from monsters are labeled as drugs in Deltarune

When she was arrested it sparked some mostly "peaceful" protests. Further prosecution apparently proved "politically difficult".
She still got charged with 5 counts of Tax evasion though, but was released on probation
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>>3999126
monster tax evasion is possible but difficult. they really fly at you fast and you should expect to take some damage
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>>3999126
>Quetzali probably thinks that humans sell "bath water" because it is supposed to have healing properties or something
Maybe it does have healing properties but only for monsters, I'm talking about the human bath water, and only if the monster is delusional
>She still got charged with 5 counts of Tax evasion though
Luzma has been a bad influence to her, that security guard has a really troubled past
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>>3999128
Luzma was the one who shot at her
>>3999127
but she was piss fucking drunk and fucking missed 5 times. Her gun is named "Tax"
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>>3999056
>>3999057
>>3999058
>>3999061
It's not possible outside of maybe a reference. We're not getting another puppet secret boss, we already have Spamton and doing effectively the same thing would be boring.
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>>3999131
But it can be a bonus boss like the Mikes...
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>>3999130
>but she was piss fucking drunk and fucking missed 5 times.
She needs to stop drinking so much water before work
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>>3999133
Yeah she also calls whiskey "water"
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>>3999134
we went over this, fire elementals drink alcohol as if it were milk, so that's would be like getting drunk on an ice cream, or maybe the percentage of alcohol in whiskey is too low and that's like drinking pure ethanol to her
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>>3999135
>fire elementals drink alcohol as if it were milk
What if she is ethanol intolerant?
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>>3999137
She should still be sober from drinking it no? lactose intolerant people don't get drunk when they drink milk, they just get a lot of nasty side effects
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>>3999138
But then she would get drunk from literally anything else but alcohol. She would even get drunk from the air itself.
It would make more sense that lactose would make fire monsters drunk instead.

>She should still be sober from drinking it no?
Well that ethanol has to go somewhere if it isn't digested by her? Her body just can't properly process it, so perhaps excess amounts of it intoxicates her just like a human
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>>3999139
>But then she would get drunk from literally anything else but alcohol. She would even get drunk from the air itself.
You have to admit the idea of fire elementals being wasted all the time is funny, Grillby doesn't talk not because he's a quiet guy, but because his speech would be all slurred and incomprehensible for most people
>It would make more sense that lactose would make fire monsters drunk instead.
it doesn't make any logical sense since there's no connection to milk and fire but this is Undertale, so milk and alcohol swapping roles like that seems appropriate for the setting
>Her body just can't properly process it, so perhaps excess amounts of it intoxicates her just like a human
I was about to say the ethanol just makes her flames bigger, but I suppose that's what its meant to do with non ethanol intolerant monsters, maybe it just puts out her fire
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>>3999137
>>3999139
she can get drunk on her own supply
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>>3999144
Her parents bonded with each other over being alcohol resistant. Very few could match a fire monster in a drinking contest...

But the gene responsible for abnormal alcohol tolerance/lactose intolerance flips for fire monsters. And she "got lucky" and inherited exactly that from her parent.

When she tried to drink milk her fellow monsters looked at her like a degenerate freak. For almost all her life she was perpetually drunk, but everybody thought that she was just weird.
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>>3999149
>For almost all her life she was perpetually drunk, but everybody thought that she was just weird.
She's the kind of drunk that finds everything funny, that's how she got her laughter, it never left her even when she became sober for the first time
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>>3999148
Yes, she does that when she feels especially pathetic
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>>3999156
>Yes, she does that when she feels especially pathetic
Why would The Blue Death ever feel pathetic? She's already the best mercenary on the Underground!
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>>3999158
This is the DRN version of her, the UT monster are more lax and less serious.
In UTN she is mostly normal
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>>3999161
DRN Luzma drinking her own breast milk sounds kind of sad for some reason
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>>3999144
I am pretty sure that there is a fire elemental in the QC Diner in DR who orders normal food and is not drunk at all. So that isn't true.

>No connection to milk and fire
Well milk is used to counter spicy foods and is also used to remedy sun burns so you can't say there is no connection.

You do know how alcohol actually works, right?
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>fun gang is having a bitch fit at the festival because noelle is trying to get susie to ditch kris and kris is acting all shifty
>meanwhile in eastwood, cole and kanako completely lost the plot and are just making out in a dark world
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>>3999173
if DR:Y is going to follow the same-ish setting beats as the original Deltarune, I imagined either a school prom or a graduation party. Or even a wedding.
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>>3999171
>I am pretty sure that there is a fire elemental in the QC Diner in DR who orders normal food and is not drunk at all. So that isn't true.
I wasn't saying normal food gets them drunk, just that the idea is funny
>You do know how alcohol actually works, right?
I know how it gets you drunk, if you meant the part about "putting out her fire" that's just part of Undertale's absurd logic
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>>3999173
you need to unlock the cutscene with berdly and kanako where they scream obscenities at each other
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>>3999181
Me on the left
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>>3999176
>Just that the idea is funny
Yeah, I know. I was just thinking if it were to be hypothetically real

>Putting out the fire
That's what probably cold food does to them
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If Kanako's mom uses fire magic and her dad (likely) uses electric magic, would her flames be blue? Could she do a Roy Mustang explosion, but instead of igniting the air she conjures a lightning bolt that explodes into fire?
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>>3999195
>dalvroba is canon
kino
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>>3999195
I thought chujin had plant magic
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>>3999196
No anon, please no.
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>>3999198
Really? I assumed it was lighting on account of his career and the robots he made using some form of electric magic
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>>3999196
wouldn't work out. dalv wanted to be a teacher and roba isn't safe around children
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>>3999201
Chujin had way higher affinity/love for woodworking, so a decent amount of people have him use plant magic instead of electric but honestly it could go either way
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>>3999202
I see him more as a librarian than a teacher. Alphys is a doormat but atleast she's smart. Those kids are gonna tear him to pieces.
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>>3999201
>>3999204
it's because of all the plants that used to be in the dunes that died after he did and his grave being the last spot left with plants
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I wish more KanaClover fics got updated but the vast majority of updates are all cocoapowder from what I see and I can't stand it anymore.
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>>3999209
It "helps" they have a finished game, DRY is still far from complete
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>>3999210
I'm not even talking about DRY, since most kanaclover isn't DRY either.
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>>3999209
>see a story on Ao3
>synopsis looking good
>look at the tags
>chara/clover
>OC
>misgendering
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>>3999213
Justice resolves isn't finished either
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>>3999209
You just gotta keep believing anon
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>>3999215
I should see if you can set tag blacklists there. I assume you can, but I've never bothered in case an otherwise good fic has a garbage plot point somewhere in it that I just have to ignore.
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>>3999227
There is a singular cocoapowder fic I'm okay with reading and that because of everything else in it. Thankfully I can turn my mind off of that part.
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>>3999230
Shit, see this is exactly why I havent looked into a blacklist yet. The hamfisted "misgendering" tag for instance is insufferable when it comes up, but it may just be a momentary lapse in the story.
I didnt even know what cocoapowder was when I first started reading yellow fics, but I honestly haven't seen one that was worth reading before I decided to just start skipping them altogether.
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>>3998997
Makes sense, fascist leaders are usually more celebrity than they are politician. They always focus on running a cult of personality and basing their government on that.

Thinking about it now, I think Undyne might be closer to Franco's Spain or Pinochet's Chile. Just a military dictatorship. Authoritarian, but more focused on practical rule and maintaining martial strength than any specific ideology beyond general patriotism.
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>>3999006
>Mettaton is almost certainly one of the more evil characters in the game, just based on the unpersoning thing alone.
I think he's the most evil character in the game in every route. He's the only doing everything he does for purely selfish reasons, to the outright detriment of the monster race, and to you the fallen human. He's known to treat his employees like shit, and is even pretty bad to his friends like Napstablook, whom he abandoned the second he saw a chance at fame.
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>>3999097
Really big snakes usually aren't venomous though. So she may be a constrictor.
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>>3999127
I like the idea of monster taxes being bullets that you have to dodge in a battle screen
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>>3999139
Air would make them energetic because it makes fire burn. You have to remember drunkenness is you having minor alcohol poisoning. So you would have to minorly poison a fire elemental to get them drunk. Obviously anything flammable isn't going to poison them, it'll have the opposite effect. So instead they get drunk on water, since that puts fires out.
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>>3999171
I could've sworn she ordered charcoal or wood.
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>>3999195
>and her dad (likely) uses electric magic,
Who says he does? Maybe he uses metal magic, or machine magic, or tool magic. Maybe he builds complex magic constructs to attack with.
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>>3999204
Yeah but woodworking is working with dead plants. You have to actively kill and dismember them to do it. So really its the opposite of living plant magic.

Then again Asgore loves gardening, but his magic is fire, so maybe your magic isn't necessarily tied to your hobbies or profession.
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>>3999245
Thats hilarious. Luzma has trained specifically for this kind of battle
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>>3999252
I like the idea of Chujin having plant magic because Ceroba has some flower bullets in her fights, monsters sharing their magic type with their spouses is a nice concept
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>>3999244
All the snakes that were used as a basis for Quetzalcoatl are venomous, but I think this should be irrelevant, she's a monster and not an specific type of snake, so nothing is stopping her from being able to do both, fictional snakes being constrictors and venomous is nothing new.
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>>3999250
I might be mixing him up with Alphys. Both are weird nerds dabbling in things beyond their understanding
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>>3999205
I do like his dry interpretation, he's the designated putter upper with antics like alphys is but he's a professional about his job and will say no if he needs to, which I think would make sense for his character since even in UTY where he's shy and traumatized he has a backbone
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>>3999277
>since even in UTY where he's shy and traumatized he has a backbone
I feel like this aspect of him slips under the radar for a lot of people. His shyness gets him depicted as a "softboy" when hes depicted at all, but he stands his ground both in the history we've heard about him, and in the game even though hes having a schizo episode at that time.
In one note he might be considered brave, alternatively he could be considered stubborn.
It makes me wonder if things would have gone differently if he was on thay rooftop, then again theyd probably walk back any characterization he'd built up to that point to have him just go along with that ending.

Either way, this new elusive character trait is something to consider with dalv.

it probably makes bero love her shining ray of darkness even more
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Honest question, for information gathering purposes.
If Quetzali was going to constrict *you*, what would you want her to do to you while constricted?
Sexual or otherwise, cuddles, kissing, sex of some kind, etc, what would *you* want?
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>>3999289
Wiggle her tail into my hand so I have something to hold onto, grounding me, and then nuzzle her face/feathery head against me to try and put me at ease since being constricted like that is a bit nerve wracking.
Maybe hum or talk a little bit to help me calm down.
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>>3999276
There is a crossover with Lovecraftian horror waiting.
>>3999289
Pompoir
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>>3999289
No super into biting but I think being nibbled by her would feel nice I dunno, not much you can do when you are constricted, maybe getting hugged by her wings too, like she's only constricting your legs and you can hug her back
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>>3999285
that kanako looks very fluffy

>>3999289
pic related
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>>3999291
>There is a crossover with Lovecraftian horror waiting.
>Deltarune Yellow
>Chujin accidentally tears the fabric of space-time drilling for oil and lets the evil fucking gaster darkness flood into the world
>"I guess we makin' Dark Fountains now" - Starlo Stern
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>>3999290
That sounds really nice actually.
I usually hate it when other people try and intentionally "calm me down", since it inherently implies they're thinking straight and I'm not, but in this case, the idea of it just being something small because constriction is just a bit stressful on its own is nice.
I guess it's more like comfort/reassurance than anything else.
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>>3999289
Stop, preferably. I like her, but not the idea of being constricted. I don't mind her wrapping around me, but the squeezing and not letting go I very much do dislike.
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>>3999298
>pic
What about this arouses the Roba so much?
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>>3999300
I doubt she's the kind of person who would constrict you explicitly against your consent like that, you could probably ask her to let go just fine, but fair enough.
Not everyone's into being squeezed all over like that, I suppose.
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>>3999299
>when other people try and intentionally "calm me down", since it inherently implies they're thinking straight and I'm not
To me, being in a situation where you're not thinking clearly from time to time is just part and parcel of being human in a stressful world, so having a partner who helps ground you when things get to be too much, and visa versa sounds nicer than raw dogging reality until your brain clicks back into gear again.

But beyond that, im not personally into the constricting so much so, but If I was with a snake monster, shed likely have a need or urge to do it sometimes, and I'd oblige even if It made me panic, so her showing that kind of care and concern for me even as she indulges in her desire to wrap tightly around something, makes it fall into place much better.
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>>3999181
The image of this happening is hilarious
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>>3999304
>being in a situation where you're not thinking clearly from time to time is just part and parcel of being human in a stressful world, so having a partner who helps ground you when things get to be too much, and visa versa sounds nicer than raw dogging reality until your brain clicks back into gear again.
I get that, I've just been in a lot of situations where I've been told to "calm down" even when I'm thinking completely clearly, so being treated like I'm not in my right mind starts to make me feel worse past a certain point.
Like I said, in this situation it's fine, because it's more contained to just the constricting, and it feels less authoritative here.
Being given her tail to hold in my hand or having her speak reassuringly while nuzzling my head feels like a good way to handle the potential stress of being constricted, like you (or whoever made that reply if it was not you) said.
Like that one fic where Ceroba rubs her thumb across the back of the reader's hand while simultaneously (gently) biting into your neck, the mix of an alien sensation combined with the soothing reassurance of your partner is a nice concept.
>I'd oblige even if It made me panic, so her showing that kind of care and concern for me even as she indulges in her desire to wrap tightly around something, makes it fall into place much better.
Yeah, I think I get what you mean.
I'm not super into constriction myself necessarily, beyond just liking a bit of pressure like that sometimes, but the intimacy makes it nicer.
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>>3999307
>I get that, I've just been in a lot of situations where I've been told to "calm down" even when I'm thinking completely clearly, so being treated like I'm not in my right mind starts to make me feel worse past a certain point
That's fair, I think trusting the person is a big deal for it. I know people that if they did it, it would be insulting to me, but if very specific people pulled me aside to tell me I needed to calm down, then Id take a second look at what was going on. I tend to assume with scrimlonomics that I have or am building trust with the character in question, since trust is very important in a happy relationship.
>Like that one fic where Ceroba rubs her thumb across the back of the reader's hand while simultaneously (gently) biting into your neck, the mix of an alien sensation combined with the soothing reassurance of your partner is a nice concept.
Yeah I think we're more on the same page than not. Being worked through something unfamiliar like that has its upsides. And I tend to take that as not being 'authoritative' as you said but from a place of genuine "i care and Im here".
>I'm not super into constriction myself necessarily, beyond just liking a bit of pressure like that
Honestly just being held in place sends my fight or flight racing, and I like the idea of THE ROBA easing me through something like that.

I dont know, the appeal is in the love in the face of fear rather than the constriction itself, or something like that?
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>>3999240
>He's known to treat his employees like shit
All his employees only have good things to say about him once he dies, only Burgerpants hates him. That's not to say he's good, fitting for the Yellow Soul fight I think Mettataon's thing is self serving justice.
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>>3999312
>I tend to assume with scrimlonomics that I have or am building trust with the character in question, since trust is very important in a happy relationship.
Yes, generally.
It'd be a lot weirder if she was doing it completely out of the blue while not knowing you.
> And I tend to take that as not being 'authoritative' as you said but from a place of genuine "i care and Im here".
Yeah, in this case it seems fine to me.
I think constriction would be a bit weird to experience, the idea of being unable to move much is of course somewhat stressful even if you're ostensibly into that kind of thing, but Quetzali acting as a grounding presence the whole time does sound very nice.
>Honestly just being held in place sends my fight or flight racing, and I like the idea of THE ROBA easing me through something like that.
Same.
Honestly, I'd let her bite me hard enough to draw blood if she was doing it gently enough and while holding my hand or something, I could take it.
>I dont know, the appeal is in the love in the face of fear rather than the constriction itself, or something like that?
Yeah, I think that's a decent way of putting it.
The vulnerability of being a little bit nervous or scared of what's happening, and being loved and comforted by them, making things better.
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>>3999316
>Yellow Soul fight I think Mettataon's thing is self serving justice
Huh, I'd never considered that. I wonder if toby actually considered things like this in using the soul modes
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>>3999318
>Yes, generally.
>It'd be a lot weirder if she was doing it completely out of the blue while not knowing you.
Cue yakkety sax as she accidentally flings herself across the underground, wrapping herself firmly around the first thing/person she lands on
> but Quetzali acting as a grounding presence the whole time does sound very nice
Another scrimblo has hit the higher brain functions, I'll have to review how she talks
>Honestly, I'd let her bite me hard enough to draw blood if she was doing it gently enough and while holding my hand or something, I could take it.
>just relax, this is going to hurt
>Yeah, I think that's a decent way of putting it.
>The vulnerability of being a little bit nervous or scared of what's happening, and being loved and comforted by them, making things better.
Yeah, less ideal things do sound nice when put this way
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>>3999316
>All his employees only have good things to say about him once he dies, only Burgerpants hates him.
To be fair, we only get to see so many employees of his, and Burgerpants seems to be one of the only ones with his head screwed on straight anyway.
As for how Mettaton treats people in general, we see how he treats Napstablook and Alphys, and he's not exactly great towards them before he has his change of heart after being defeated by Frisk.

If most of his employees say great things about him aside for Burgerpants, that could just be an early form of the kind of cult of personality he creates when he takes over the underground, with people who are already infatuated with him getting preferential treatment over people who aren't.



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