Let's talk about Deltarune Chapter 5 which releases on June 24th, 2026.>Will the Roaring happen?>Will Asgore die?>Who is the Knight?
At least this thread will make it to release even if no one replies due to how slow this board is, but I am really hoping more people join the discussion later and that ch 5 doesn't disappoint.>Will the roaring happen?Very likely.>Will Asgore die?I hope not but it could happen.>Who is the knight?I am on the "dess' soulless body" campMy theory is that if Asgore does die, that both the current regular route and weird route will end in chapter 5 as a failure state. You will need to progress both routes to find the "between the lines" path to then unlock the true path and the "new future" Gaster mentioned.
>>4002131It is a good waiting thread, for any anons who are curious why this thread is here: blame /v/ jannies for quashing threads, and blame /vg/'s deltarune thread being a toxic shithole trailer for anybody who is a true slowpoke; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5y22LUfetAWe may also get ARG email drops a day or so before Chapter 5 releases, you may or may not see them get posted here
I don't really feel like talking about chapter 5 until after it's been out for a while.But uh as far as Deltarune related stuff goes I liked the poster they made for chapter 4.I like the way Ralsei looks with the fluffy ears and crown shaped tuft emphasized, he has a really cute face.
lesbian cuckold simulatorwe will get fucking cucked
>>4002230>blame /v/ jannies for quashing threads, and blame /vg/'s deltarune thread being a toxic shitholeYeah sounds about right, so many games suffer this fate, /v/ mods dont like them because muh general but the general fucking sucks and Id rather die than browse it so I end up with nothing instead, so great.
>>4002332I mean the whole "/vg/ experiment" if you can call it that was fairly retarded.It was always going to turn out this way with jannies using it as a breeding ground for people who don't actually like particular games but are persistent and annoying to ruin threads about what they don't like if they can't keep up with purging them.Y'know, I really think it says a lot about the state of /v/ that a game releasing in around a week is getting nuked or gay opped 24/7, and at the same time, I don't even need to look at it but it's a safe assumption that it's plastered with ads about GTA6 or some crap nobody actually cares about.
Also, I don't want to "talk" about Deltarune until it's out, either. I am pretty excited about it, but I don't feel like there's much to actually talk about at this point.
>>4002072Get your bingo cards ready
>>4002709Mine feels a bit too safe but I want to keep my expectations low
NEW CHAPTER 5 SEMI-SPOILER STUFF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLzko8IQbR4
>>4003359That's fake anon
>>4003361You are fake you faker
I'll post rarely discussed details and discoveries about UT/DR here from time to time, along with some of my theories, for the record. Hope they can be insightful for anons who come across this thread. After all, this place too is rarely visited.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/740398834/#q740398856
I will finally play this over the weekend cya boyos later
Many enigmas of DR can become very clear when you simply start to view UT as a video game that exists within the computer in Kris and Asriel's room. This is the real meaning of "parallel story".https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/741416882/#q741427386
>>400207287 hours until suselle gets confirmed
I still havent gotten my chapter 5 save file ready fuckk im on chapter 1 scarlet forest still
I assume all you people of high taste will leave the internet and go play it and not get spoiled
>>4004766As soon as the chapter drops I am going full offlineOr even earlier if the soundtrack leaks again, last time I got spoiled on the titan fight due to it
>>4003398Thanks, I never kept up with theory threads.
The titles of the books on the bookshelf in a promotional picture for Deltarune Vinyl posters on the Fangamer website.Source of the picture: https://www.fangamer.com/collections/deltarune/products/deltarune-posters-vinyl-cover-artFirst row:1. How to Taste: A Guide to Enjoying Wine, Jancis Robinson, 20012. Journal of the Southwest, Volume 33, Number 4, 19903. The Listener, Taylor Caldwell, 19764. The Prayer of the Presence of God, Augustin Guillerand, 20065. Wine: An Introduction, Vernon L Singleton, 1978Second row:1. ________2. The Greek Myths, Robert Grave, 19553. _____ TOOL BOOK4. The Autobiography of St. Thérèse of Lisieux: The Story of a Soul5. M__________Third row:1. ________ (seems to be some kind of vintage textbook. _th edition written at the top)2. A Writer's Eye: Field Notes and Watercolors, Paul Horgan, 19883. The Diary of a Country Priest, Georges Bernanos, 1936Credits to: https://ihsoyct.github.io/index.html?comments=1tq5j95
The purple book in the second row is The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius, translated by Anthony Mottola, published in 1964. The shapes of words on the spines match, and the left end of the yellow cross, which extends onto the spine above the word "Exercises", also matches. We can confirm this is indeed the book.It's interesting that among all known books, 3 of them are Catholic spiritual works, and 2 are novels with religious/Christian themes.
The full title of the "TOOL BOOK" is The Incredible Illustrated Tool Book, published in 1974. Spines also match.
The trickiest one is this dark teal book. The top of the spine probably says "SIXTH" Edition, while the book title is nearly unreadable due to low resolution, dim lighting and partial obstruction.
Picrel is the result after I used an AI enhancer (white parts are cropped out because the texts there are garbled). Seems like the word in the second line of the title is "MANAGEMENT", while the first word in the first line ends up with the suffix "-TION". Given this is most likely a textbook, the full title is probably something like "Information ________ Management, Sixth Edition".
ARG Emails are hitting twitter/the /v/ threads now, we are definitely on the spoiler threashold
>>4005363Feel free to post the papyrus falling image since SOME of the ARG posts on /v/ may be fake, I'd say 75% or so are real enough emails - chapter 5 will dispell fakes anyways
>>4005371this one is real >>4005363 because it has a link to the fangamer site https://email-files.fangamer.com/list_48/campaign_17/6e16d67c-4d29-4fc9-969e-7b8a082cc976.png
>>4005363I never even bothered to look into the argis it just hints for future content
>>4002072Here's my prediction. Zenith Martlet is going to show up as a secret boss, and Kris is going to see sights like these during the different phases of the boss fight.https://files.catbox.moe/lmzsd7.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/ytiiqr.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/1cjd9r.png
>>4005415You're probably right.
I failed, I wont finish ch4 in time since Im stuck fighting the knight in ch3 not wanting to lose, and now I have to go to sleep, so thats not enough time tomorrow to get up to speedIts going to suck having to avoid the internet for days, I wont be able to visit anywhere I just know dess design or something else is going to be plastered all overOh well my own fault for not playing it earlier like I should, good night
Oh my, I can't wait to come into the community that was founded by people criticizing and dissecting the issues on Undertale Yellow's writing and gameplay and get shat on when I point out the same kind of issue I'm Deltarune chapter 5. >But it didn't even come out yet[Meme of a guy squatting over a plate]
>>4005596This thread has nothing to do with UTY though, that is the other thread
>>4005596In all fairness, I'm pretty sure it's just a couple guys on /v/ that like to relentlessly shit on Yellow.I like it quite a bit.
>>4005603I'm not talking about the schizos "dunking" on UTY for not being canon, I'm talking about the regulars on the first year of UTY elaborating on how the pacifist ending was a fuck up or why the wild east had bad pacing.
>>4005596I havent played yellow
>>4005576Actually I just beat itIt wasnt that hard after all, I though Id actually have to lower its hp to 0I can beat ch4 in 4 hours, I hope
>>4005637pacifist ending is kino because of the boss fight
DRY will become canon in 2 hours
6 fucking minutes.
Well Im leaving the internet for a day Im still in the gerson fight
>>4005853If DRY becomes canon to Deltarune, that means Cole and Kanako is canon is to DR.And if Cole is canon is DR, that means Martlet is canon to DR.If Martlet is canon to DR, that means Zenith Martlet is also canon to DR.Which would mean these images are now all canon.https://files.catbox.moe/mrxrvf.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/m987bh.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/hlsmqu.png
I'll see you on the other side, Anon.
Damn, it sucked donkeyballs
Well it had a lot of problems for me.>Flowery being some irony poisoned weeb anime guy that was maybe funny 10 years ago>Becoming a platformer midway through>We know that Asgore did something bad to Dess and he keeps vagueposting about it>No new confrontation with the knightAlso, it's a shame that the weird route is only, what, 20 minutes long and Toby outright telling us that won't appear one in chapter 6 and we have to wait potentially extra 2 years for that to get resolved? I haven't fought the secret boss yet or got the egg.
>>4005992>2 yearslol
>>4005993Gotta be optimistic these days...
I actually liked the chapter. It got a lot of bad things like Suselle. Chapter being mostly filler since none of our question were answered, and the secret boss being atrociously anime slop (would be fine if it was a bonus boss like Mikes), which has almost nothing to do with actual secret bosses. But it excels in the production level, everything looks super good, perhaps even not quite in the DR style, the animations are crisp, the music is also super. There are a ton of gags and new mechanics, I liked that it didn't follow a previous formula and got surprised a lot by the game not going the way I expected. So I can't call this chapter bad, but it could've been better, even if it was at the cost of being less flashy. The chapter really should've focused on the story more. It kinda seemed like I am playing a fan made chapter, perhaps Toby was inspired by that? Although at some points it feels like Deltatraveller... Your thoughts?
>>4006031>It kinda seemed like I am playing a fan made chapterTook the words out of my mouthFor some reason this chapter doesn't feel like it fits deltarune, sure it was fun but it also felt offWonder if the team Toby has really is affecting his original vision without him noticingBesides that it was just "ok", I got to the secret boss but didn't beat it yet, and the weird route was... interestingUnfortunately there is just too much gaybait in this chapter and not in a good wayKinda mixed on it
>Toby talks in the Undertale 10th anniversary stream about how much he values fan projects>Doesn't include any of the devs and instead includes a ton of guest Japs literally whosWhy did he do it?
so are the flowers really how the humans in UT were?I am fine with most of them, tho orange being a small rat was interesting, maybe he (she?) is the youngestI was really caught by surprise by blue though, yes most fanartists got it right that blue was black, but not that he was a mantoby will probably come out and say something like "haha thats just in deltarune, it isn't stated in UT so they can be whatever!" but that's still stupid since people will now take those as canonalso was it just me or did green seem to be just a reference to teox's deltarot memes in how she was animated?
>>4006051Justice constantly tries to kill himself Wtf UTY canon???
>>4006051>since people will now take those as canonWe'll still see fan designs, I think. It's the personalities that risk being cemented.
Did Asgore's Tenna turn into anything?
>>4006057_____________no_______________turns out it was flipped over in the light world
>>4006059>that Fuck you Toby. Did he actually intentionally add the TV so people would mistake the "AntiTenna" to be that instead of it actually being Flowery?The TV would've been much better as a secret boss then what we've actually got.Lame.Is it atleast referenced in any way in the dark world?
>>4006061>Is it atleast referenced in any way in the dark world?lol no, but you do get a comment if you check the "how to draw dragons" book drawer about how "odd" it was that it didn't manifest as a darkner, toby really is messing with people
>>4002072I hated this chapter and the minigame just made me want to play mmz or mmzx instead
>>4006031The big issue with the chapter is that it feels like filler.>No major questions answered, and we spent ANOTHER damn chapter glossing over Kris opening fountains, despite the game making it seem like that elephant might finally get addressed with Kris outright being shown bribing one of the flowers and Ralsei heavily implying he knows everything.>More questions raised (Ralsei's fire magic, breadcrumbs for the Dess disappearance still going nowhere, etc.)>Some jokes were pretty good, but the chapter was heavily bogged down by giving too much focus on Suselle>Weird Route is only cutscenes, short as hell, and is going to skip chapter 6 on top of that. The only real thing we got there is more ammo for a POTENTIAL neutral route with the Twisted Sword, since Noelle still has the thorn ring (and it's unlikely you'll be able to unequip it from her), plus you can't get the 5th shadow crystal due to skipping the dark world>Shadow Crystal boss is easily the least relevant of all of the secret bossesIt's like a worse Chapter 3. Chapter 3 not only took place earlier in the story, but it also had the Knight fight and moved the overarching plot along.It had some good gameplay and some great moments, but even the minigame and the flowers felt like they dragged on enough to start outstaying their welcome.
>>4006076Yeah, I agreed with you in my post. Ralsei fire magic was present since chapter 4, perhaps he has it because he is a dreemurr darkner. But it would've been so much cooler if Toriel actually taught him fire magic in chapter 3 Yeah, in this chapter less things happened than in chapter 3... This kinda feels like a retread of chapter 3 but without the story at all. We already knew that Kris is working with the Knight, we already knew that Ralsei was made to tardwrangle (You) and stop (You) from interrupting the Plan.But Toby had to repeat it like 3 seperate times like we already didn't know that.I don't think the chapter even raised any new interesting questions... Has anyone tried playing the weird route if you let it whiteout?
>>4006078>Has anyone tried playing the weird route if you let it whiteout?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr7IBdjI7sit just snaps back to regular route just like in the holiday manor
>>4006079But it doesn't? Kris acts different, and Susie has to actually manually walk him? And Noelle still has the thorn ring? Perhaps the Dark World is also a bit different?
>>4006076>>4006078>>4006031Something else that bugged me was that the Chapter 4 Prophecy turned out to be a complete nothingburger. "The garden will burn in an Inferno of Jealousy" my ass, what the hell was that toby?
>>4006081i misremembered gerson's book being actual prophecy, but it still felt like a bait and switch
>>4006081>>4006082What if Gerson's book was the original plan for Deltarune which the current game has not that much in common, being mostly just made up on the fly and heavily influenced by Toby's new team and the fanbase?
>>4006081It bugged me more that there was no reaction to the church being trashed
>>4006086There was, though. Alvin talks about it.
I'm dumping this here because I don't want to post spoilers in the other thread. To anyone here, this is just a fangame dev's thoughts on the new chapter. Apologies if I sound like a self centered crybaby at the end, but the new elements in the latest chapter have seriously fucked me over in ways I can't even describe. Feel free to ignore the mucho texto if you don't want to here an autist lose his mind over video games https://rentry.org/Deltrune_writeup_Im_screwed
>>4006078>I don't think the chapter even raised any new interesting questions... We have several questions about meta-awareness now. Susie casually confirmed she can see the battle UI, Ralsei heavily implied he knows the actual, directly programmed rules of the world between his direct party dialogue and his spergouts at Flowery breaking progression and stats, The Knight decided that stats don't matter and made Flowery's damage turn into 0s, just to name a few.
>>4006128>The Knight decided that stats don't matter and made Flowery's damage turn into 0s, just to name a few.that's because flowery was using fake stats all along
>>4006130Yet Flowery can use those fake stats in virtually every other circumstance, so it still implies things about The Knight.
>>4006128About that To me the Susie knowing thing seemed like a joke. I don't think she is actually aware of it like Ralsei is. And personally I don't consider that to be all that interesting, since we had already Ralsei tell us the controls in chapter 1 already
>>4006118Oh no I didn't read it yet, but knowing your previous reaction to 3&4 I think you were absolutely murdered by Tobias this time
Can anyone tell me how long the new chapter is?I only have about ten hours left in the day, and I wanna know how much of that the chapter's gonna eat up, if anyone has an estimate.
>>4006139you can easily clear the whole thing in 5 hours, with some of that time including fucking around/getting lost.
>>4006140Alright, cool.And while I don't want any spoilers, how telegraphed is the secret boss?Is it chapter 3 level, where you have to do some awfully specific stuff for it and can get softlocked out of it, or it is like the other chapters where it's pretty easy and straightforward to find?
>>4006141if you explore enough you will find the door, there is no lock out, you can backtrack to find the stuff to open it
>>4006141>or it is like the other chapters where it's pretty easy and straightforward to find?I'd compare it to jevil or spamton. You'll see a very obvious key inside a shop, you'll just have to explore to figure out how to get it.
>>4006076I mostly agree with the secret boss relevency, although one thing I noticed is they STILL kept the theme of being relevant to kris - one of the fandom's biggest "things" is the differences between Kris and the Soul, and pic related reminds me of some of the more edge pictures of that topicSpamton cannot be topped, of cource - he's basically the heavy lifter of the game
>>4006144>>4006142Alright, that sounds manageable. I'm about to start the new chapter just now, so I'd better get outta here for now.Thanks.
>>4006145The secret boss isn't relevant to the overall plot compared to the other secret bosses, but I agree that it's somewhat relevant to Kris in giving us a potential idea of how (You) and Kris will reconcile, if you look at it with a schizotheory lens.She's nowhere near as big as any of the others (e.g. RK, Gerson being so damn important that many people think he should not have been a secret/missable fight and instead should have acted as a mainline hint for the shadow crystals in general if someone missed the first three, etc.)
>>40061373 and 4 didn't fuck me that bad. I'm actually screwed here.
shadow crystal text allegedly is different depending on your route: yes, you can use the crystal in the light world if you wake up with the chapter 4 one still on you, Chapter 5's shadow crystal text has yet to be datamined by my knowledge so please take this with a little salt
>>4006150It should've been like a Mike fight instead of being a secret boss
>>4006157For me it was useless the whole chapter.
Popping back in for a brief moment, but holy shit, did this chapter show off the origin of the "don't forget" drawing?
>>4006168Maybe. Maybe its just fucking with us. Or maybe its a time loop situation and its only a origin instead of *the* origin.
>>4006168pretty much specially in weird route since that is the one with 3 people on it, meaning that it is weird route sans that escapes to UT
The story and writing continue to be pure shitBut I still enjoyed it anyways, its just low level entertainment
Anyone else think that Suselle stuff went kinda fast?
>>4006191It's definitely the weak link of the story to be sure, The only payoff for it I can see is the Yuri is what leads to Castle Town's fountain being sealed at the end because sending Noelle to the Dark World is such a stupid idea, even if Susie's Chapter 2 experience with Noelle is taken into account - which is basically just the ferris wheel ride and Noelle being kidnapped constantly, Susie might know Noelle is STRONK but she doesn't know about the ice death shit and it WILL snow later in the story
I hate how much the blatant nostalgiabait worked on me with that "garden of hopes and dreams" bit.Almost as much as I hate the fact that chapter 1 came out so long ago that I feel nostalgic for it.
>It's not even been 24 hours and the janny's already seething
>>4006204Exactly 12 hours after chapter release. Seems like that's the extend of ABIB's mercy.
I've been thinking and maybe the dark worlds of chapters 4 and 5 should have been swappedso flower king before and then churchthat way the big cliffhanger of chapter 5 would be the titan + prophecy revealright now having flower king be a silly adventure after the entire end of chapter 4 feels very tonally wrong, susie isn't even that worried after chapter 5 or even before when she knows about the prophecy, feels really off
Anyone have info on some global flags getting set once you reach chapter 5 with the weird route? We might see some fuckery similar to UT's genocide route since it's implied the deer is self-aware, even if we abort it by that point.
>>4006191 more than fast, it's the worst written thing about the story to the extent that it's bringing the whole story down as a whole. I don't even have a problem with them being lesbians, I don't want to fuck the dinosaur!
>>4006191it's so bad that people are hoping that the forced nature of it is a sign of a bad end from the prophecy brute forcing things
Hey, can anyone here tell me how to get to the secret boss?I wanted to find it on my own, but I'm so tired of these new mechanics already that I really just want to get through it as fast as possible.
>>4006283I've been saying that for a while now before the update, but good to see more people coming around to it>>4006299after the platforming room in the castle where susie and ralsei act on their own and ralsei destroys the star thing, go left instead of rightyou'll need the key from the cliffs shop though which means you need 10 pink coins
>>4006303>spoilerAlright, thanks.>10 pink coinsOh god, really?Is there a guide for where they all are?I have two right now.
>>4006310there are more than 10 coins so you have some leeway to run around
>>4006311How many more?I'm currently on my way to the castle or whatever and haven't found another one so far.
>>4006315I think there might be 9, since you can use your extra coins to buy items based on the different flowers for 3 coins each.
>>4006191Kinda? Its the most forced shit I've seen in a game.
>>4006321Well, could you tell me where they are?Because I'd really like to not have to search for them myself and put up with these mechanics any longer than I'd have to.
>>4006346an NPC will spawn after beating the secret boss that will tell you the locations where you missed them.
>>4006352I need the coins to fight the secret boss, that doesn't help me.
Is it just me or the chapter gimmick completely detached from the story? In chapter 3 we had Mantle but that was in the theme of videogames and escapism.In chapter 4 we had climbing but that was in the theme of overcoming challenge and nicely thematically fit in the story.But chapter 5 gimmick is really random? I would get if it was "about walking in between the lines" but no it isn't. It is just it for the sake of it.
>>4006412chapter 5 feels "wrong". I wish I could cope and say that wrongness was intentional meta something something but no it just feels like charging and plowing forward with no real meaning.
>>4006416>>4006412Many anons have said it already, it feels like a fangame, mainly due to the new devs toby hired and him not being as hands on as he used to be
>>4006412>>4006416>>4006418chapter 5 is 'wrong' on purpose, lemme repost my theory from a /v/ thread:the previous plot doesnt matter any more.the knight, the roaring, the shelter, none of it.the romance writing is cheesy on purpose, the plot is going nowhere on purpose, CH4's momentum has been stifled on purpose, CH5 has an abundance of scripted battles on purpose.because you are witnessing the deltarune prophecy in action.DELTARUNE is a silly hero story with goofy characters, in a world doomed to end.kris is THE CAGE, the silent hero that seals dark fountains.susie is THE GIRL, the goofy and crude hero.ralsei is THE PRINCE, the hero that stands by the others the entire time.noelle is noelle, the knight is the knight, lancer is lancer.and so on, and so on, and so on.THE GIRL will grow too attached to dark worlds, and refuse to let them go when its time to seal castle town.THE PRINCE will stand aside, and let it happen.and THE CAGE? will simply not give you the option to do it yourself.so how do you prevent the end of the world, then?you have the ruin the story.by.any.means.possible.twisted sword, snowgrave, any other possibilities not yet revealed.it doesnt matter how you ruin the story, you just need to prevent it from staying a happy cheery adventure.
>>4006412The current cope is that chapter 5's general problem feels forced from a meta perspective, with an inherent sense of wrongnessThe main example for this is absolute slop of suselle, with susie going backwards on her chapter 4 character development.
>>4006422I don't have it in me to cope like this.the fight mechanics are not implemented well like in previous chapters, it feels rushed for some reason.I will play the future chapters, but I don't have any expectations from them now.
Posting my theories from the fangame thread here, with a few new ones >Carol is the Knight, that explains why she knows about the conspiracy>The Knight only appears at the end of the chapter because Carol was busy. Apparently someone said it looked disheveled, this may be due to Carol learning about what happened to Rudy>Hometown is a simulation run by Gaster which is explained by the weird route ending>Asriel isn't in college at all, because nothing exists outside of Hometown. Where he is now and why I honestly don't know>Deltarune is a recreation of something that already happened, which can be called the "doomed timeline">In this "doomed timeline" the roaring happens because Susie refuses to sacrifice someone (who I don't know)>The prophecy describes something that's already happened and everyone in the simulation is doomed to repeat it unless if (you) interfere>The weird route wasn't supposed to happen and will cause the simulation to break. I have reason to believe that Gaster will only appear in this route>The Knight is specifically going after the major Undertale characters (Toriel, Asgore, etc.) possibly to recreate Undertale but this one's a little out there>Kris obviously isn't the red soul, but what does that leave him with? I think his original color was patience, this is hinted at by his dark world palette>Chapter 6 dark would will likely be in the Holiday manor, this is the only place I can think of at this point that isn't the bunker>Kris has an unrequited love for Susie but is unable to speak because (you) control him, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where he must have (you) to complete Deltarune but is doomed to watch Suselle unfold and he can't do anything about it
>>4006422Anon, I would understand if this was chapter 3. But this is chapter 5 already...
>>4006435 Why would Carol have to go into the dark world to kidnap Asgore?>Simulation theoryThat would be awful, please no. When you drown with Noelle you probably enter the lake dark fountain connected to the shelter.>Thinks that Suselle won't happen actuallyIt's over. And he has plenty of control to show his love for Susie, if anything I think its his duty to the Knight that's stopping him
>>4006418I came from the fangame thread, and the people there hate it too. For me its because its got all the worst aspects of a fangame, the things we always say you should avoid. Blue and Suselle are the epitome of this both feel like something from Deltatraveler, which if you don't know is an attrociously bad fangame.
Say, anyone here know how to manually edit the number of pink coins you have?I saw the wiki say the value exists in the save file data under the line 1865, but I couldn't figure out how to do anything with that.
krusie being dead as fuck is beginning to depress me the more I think about it, looking at all the images I have of it just makes me feel sick. No Kerdly to fill the void either which is rude
>>4006440 >Why would Carol have to go into the dark world to kidnap Asgore?Not just Asgore, but the entire cast of Undertale. She goes into the dark world to become the Knight, with the power to capture people in dark bubbles. And anyways, how would you expect her to capture a man who's around twice her size?>When you drown with Noelle you probably enter the lake dark fountain connected to the shelter.Wouldn't really make sense to enter the bunker's dark world from the lake when you could, you know, enter it from the bunker. I expect them to have gone out of bounds, and at that point anything could happen.>Thinks that Suselle won't happen actuallyNot saying it won't happen, but Kris will unironically have to accept being a cuck if it means saving the world (on paper, at least; alt route shenanigans might change the story completely).
>>4006449write some krusie to carry the torch. Toby can't write romance for shit and it's very obvious at this point. I don't even care about krusie myself but susselle is painful to watch play out.
>>4006449 Is it entirely though? We still haven't heard what Kris has to say about all this
>>4006449reminder that kris hates suselle too
How do I backtrack to the cliffside shop when I'm already at the castle?Need that key.
>>4006473>>4006474kris continuing to be my goat
>>4006429when production quality is up across the board with weird "low quality" anomalies and the game's about meta knowledge, you gotta inspect the cracks.... i also really do not want to face the idea that we could be going down the absolute worst case road here>DELTARUNE is a silly hero story with goofy characters>there is no greater twist. the day will be saved through the power of friendship and love.>all that weird shit with susie at the end of CH5 meant nothing>all the shit about 'your choices dont matter' and breaking free from the prophecy meant nothing>noelle's monolog about feeling like she's just on the rails meant nothingall this time spent theorizing, spent making schizo theories about how the routes interact, spent waiting for toby's literal dream game to finally finishwasted on that.honestly, im not sure how i'd react.>>4006436NG+ is always an option.for example, noelle's meta awareness rolling back to to CH1 after aborting at the lake and beating CH7 allowing you to access ice shock in CH1, and use it against the key components for susie's character arc
>>4006476after you grow the big sprout at the center of the castle and proceed a bit, the warp doors will become available
>>4006482Okay, thanks.
>>4006481>when production quality is up across the boardall of the fights felt worse, the bullet patterns feel strangely rushed, and the platforming sections were very dull and low effort despite having a ton of potential.Look man, if in however many years you get proven right, I will hand write a letter admitting that you were right and post it here(ish). I just don't have it in me to believe such ideas.
>>4006487>I just don't have it in me to believe such ideas.as harsh as the road ahead might look...all you can do, at the end of the day, is trust the dog.
>>4006463 She could just lure him to her office and smack him on the back of the head? Or just tell him to go to the shelter directly skipping the need to even create a dark world?>Wouldn't make sense not to enter the bunker normallyKris prevents you from doing that, on the weird route almost all interactions become "* ", he definitely won't let you do that. Did you play Mantle in chapter 3? Kris is very apprehensive of going to the bunker, and you get the shelter key after Noelle and Kris "get used up"
>>4006491>all you can do, at the end of the day, is trust the dog.I don't. I've never had an issue with making up headcanons and getting mad that they didn't come true or anything like that, but chapter 5 has struck me in such a way that I simply do not believe any more. I will continue following the game and playing the chapters, I am open to being proven wrong. I do not expect to be.
>>4006435>>Chapter 6 dark would will likely be in the Holiday manor, this is the only place I can think of at this point that isn't the bunkerMy bet is hospital dark world to follow up on Rudy. With Noelle on the team and Rudy likely stuck there it makes perfect sense if Chapter 6 is our big Holiday focus chapter, with 7 obviously being the shelter.
>>4006449The worst part is it even still happens in the weird route. All the kino psycho romance stuff down the drain.
>>4006491Or you can wash your hands of this mess and do something else.
>>4006196TBF the whole world was designed to nostalgiabait Asgore, so it's par for the course. I assume the first area looks like the Field because it's nostalgiabaiting the protagonists to a lesser degree.
>>4006522I don't think it happens during Side-B. Noelle has higher priorities then.
>>4006531It does. I just watched a playthrough where Susie goes over all their activities in exhaustive detail before you get to the lake. Its all the same shit as the normal except without Kris and Noelle is more upfront.
>>4006532I also did, but it just read as maniacal behavior to me without a shred of romance in the mix.
>>4006533It read like abusive yuri to me.
>>4006532if you actually paid attention noelle was completely out of it and focused on kris.
Have any anons tried sitting in bed for several minutes without putting any inputs on the weird route?
>>4006535Never mentioned him once, meanwhile she got really handsy with Susie.
>>4006536I did it for like 10 mins, nothing so far
>>4006422This is huffing on hopium fumes like Ive never seen before in my lifeBut for what is worth I do -hope- you are rightBut I dont believe it, Toby just fucking sucks at storytelling
Alright sharing my prediction for Deltarune now:The normal route will end in a loop, with Susie not letting the world endThe weird route will end with Noelle ascending as the angel and the entire world freezing over (with us knowing from the ARG that the snow will happen still)We know Sans' card is the weird route one due to it having 3 people instead of 4, so sans will flee to UT using some machine (likely in the bunker)But according to Gerson, the actual ending will be something else (likely related to the shadow crystals), that part I am still not completely sure of how it will goAnyway WR might have Susie vs Noelle fight with us controlling Noelle, but neither the normal nor weird route actually end the game. You need to do both anyway to get through to the end to get the twisted sword. I think even if you abort WR in ch 2 you won't be able to use the thorn ring from there for it and it only works when made later or something
Did we get the final prophecy panel? It's song was teased in chapter 4, will we have to really wait for chapter 6 for that?
>>4006587>Did we get spoiler?Nope, although there is a scene with Ralsei that implies what it is pretty hard.
>>4006118As somebody who liked the new chapter overall, do what you want. If you hate Deltarune, use that as passion for making your own game. No idea is 100% unoriginal or original, if you think Chapter 5 is shit, then do better and rub it in Toby's face.
also silvagunner is producing high quality stuff of the chapter alreadyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqxpd4atqhM
Hey, can anyone outline their problems with Suselle in a reply to this post?I know and agree with basically all of them, but reading them is entertaining.
>>4006642Because it character assasinates both Susie and Noelle
>>4006642It feels like Susie and Noelle's attraction is literally forced because of how sudden Susie shifts towards her. They have no chemistry and yet the game is forcing them togetherWhich led people to speculate that the prophecy is literally forcing them together because "Love finds its way to the girl", plus if you "abort" the weird route in chapter 5, Noelle will repeat "nothing changed" over and over, which leads me to believe that normal route will end in a time loop and Susie is literally bending reality towards her will.Unlike what people expected before, normal route is the prophecy and Susie is its agent, while Weird route (might) break it.I've been saying this even before the chapter release, that it feels some outside force is forcing Suselle to happen, and I might have been correct.
>>4006690Also see what I posted over at >>4006583, the game might end up with Susie vs Noelle as shown in the UT mural representing both sides A and B of the game.Worst part of it all is that pretty much any other site outside of this one will lap suselle up because they literally can't think on the deeper narrative themes and just go "OMG YASS LEZ UP QUEEN" and it will be pretty much pain for the next year or two until new chapters drop.That's assuming this is what Toby is actually intending with the story, because the other option is he is a either a bad writer and/or his yuri + NTR fetish is just TOO strong. But seeing Kris' reactions to every suselle scene where he is clearly unhappy, and the weird route, I want to believe this is intentional
>>4006051LOL that's what was so familiar about Green. There's no way that the holding up a sign bit wasn't inspired by those animations.
>>4006695Do you think Toby was inspired by yellow too somewhat?
I did a shitty thing because I wanted to see what the Flower weapons actually did, also yes Noelle has reactions to Chapter 5 items too
>>4006726Dess wears glasses?
>>4006734>that's too much like... that fucking berd that i hate
I need your thoughts on this. There's only about a 20% this holds any water at all, but I still wanted to bring it up just in case. Looking at the Chapter 3 prophetic weird route minigame, you're clearly supposed to kill the flowers, then Asgore who tries to hug you instead of fighting you. But in the proper weird route, it ends before Kris could even make the dark fountain, so that can't happen- and I really doubt they're going to shove it into chapter 7.But the 'aborted' weird route this chapter is unique in that it isn't actually aborted. It's still categorized as a weird route in the code, and the jingle never plays. I've already postulated that the true weird route at the end of the game will require you to do both of them. This is also a little iffy, but bear with me. The egg this time was stupid obvious, and stupid easy. Way more than the others. I think it's a red herring. I think, possibly, it means there's something else much, much more hidden than normal. I think there's way in this chapter's semi-aborted weird route to kill the flowers and Asgore, and that's the real secret here.Again, super low chance of this being true, but it's got me thinking enough to ask what you guys think, and on the off chance, if you could keep an eye out for anything.
>>4006739Yeah, Dess is too much of a rebel girl to wear them... Unless...Berdess...
>>4006741I think that the weird route is Noelle exclusive. You can't get the twisted sword on Side B it seems, so the "3rd route" will be probably in Chapter 6To me it seemed that "killing" them in Mantle could represent letting go of them so you could go drown yourself and go to the bunker through the lake
>>4006741Of course, continuing this line of musing, if chapter 7 side B is just super long, and you make the dark fountain, then, it would make sense for Asgore to hug you so desperately. Previously, I always thought it was in desperation out of trying to calm you down since you would be perceived, in his eyes, as a madman murderer, but in this context, instead, it would be because you haven't been seen in 2 days.
>>4006750The Weird Route is already about game breaking and shit, maybe the proper course is to screw with the game and make it so you can still get the Twisted Sword in side B.
>>4006768But it gives trance down effect (intentional). Why would you want to do that?I hope twisted sword remains as the third route exclusive thing
>>4006774Why would you want to do the weird route in the first place? It's clear it's a 'break the game and delve into mysteries just because you can' kind of thing, thematically. The sword minigames are already a step-by-step of the weird route to be analyzed, so we know Noelle will be used up, we kill Ralsei and Susie, and then we use the sword to kill the town.
>>4006781I dunno, that seems too edgy chara genoslider tier.If anything I think Noelle would freeze everybody
>>4006790Idk why that means it isn't how the game would go about it, since you already do the genocide route for no real reason lmao. Besides, getting Noelle to do it is an even more evil action.
>>4002332That's why I'm here too, I can't even discuss if the game is worth buying on the day new content comes out for it! It's fucking ridiculous. And it's not like I put Deltarune in the title or said "General" or anything and it got pruned anyway. Can't have /v/ discussing current videogames, can we??
>>4006741Reminds me, but the song that plays in the weird route scene is Happy Town. Do you think the bottom of the lake that killed Onion and packed them into Takoyaki is gonna play Meat Factory?
>>4002331Prothetic post
>>4006796likely, that thing was probably toby's original DR plans he had since then, which means we might meet gaster at the endsurprised that the entire game exists just for the weird route, but I guess the contrast was needed, and I am glad people saying "nooo the weird route is le evil it isn't mandatory!" are going to eat shit
>>4006741I think it's because the whole lake thing wasn't part of whatever the plan/original game/prophecy is/was. You and Noelle weren't supposed to cross the lake or fall into a Dark World, instead you walk back to shore and meet Susie with Noelle becoming consigned to her fate/the prophecy. Or maybe just the Thorn Ring was wanted in order to make the Twisted Sword and have Kris be his own little Knight.I already see the Knight gang as being pro-prophecy, for whatever reason, and not pro-prophecy is Susie's way where she's just being uncritical and wants all the good without the bad. Besides that without Kris there's no one to seal or make the Chapter 5 Dark World and he won't be around for Chapter 6 either and I can't imagine the knight Gang wants that since he seems so integral to their plans.Chapter 7 Side B is truly breaking the path, for better or worse. Side A Weird and the Twisted route is dabbling in weirdness and not fully omitting.
>>4006741Right now, I believe that there are multiple routes based on when you get off the Snowgrave train>Normal playthrough, Prophecy dooms everyone>Chapter 2, get the ring and have Noelle learn Snowgrave, but never use it. This gives an abort jingle, and you may be able to use the ThornRing to craft the TwistedSword for changing the normal route.>Chapter 4, abort here at any time. Gives an abort jingle, can likely do the same as the above. However, there is a chance that the ThornRing could vanish based on Noelle's statement saying Kris threw the ThornRing away.Not aborting past this point gives a long, ominous jingle that implies you're locked in for the ride>Chapter 5, aborting heavily implies Noelle has obtained meta-awareness, and there isn't an abort jingle. The weird route flag isn't turned off(?), and a separate flag is triggered if you abort here. BAD SHIT will likely happen in Chapter 6 when Susie explains Dark Worlds to her, the most obvious example being the town getting covered in Snow when she snaps. This would likely render the ThornRing (and therefore TwistedSword) unobtainable, since she could either refuse to join the party or refuse to part with the ring if she stays in the party.>Chapter 5, success: Skips straight to Chapter 7 after (You) and Noelle break past the town's border. Global flags get triggered here, so the two of you are likely outside the first layer of the game. This could lead to meta, timeline-altering bullshit. With Noelle having data (e.g. Item reactions, specific NPC reaction dialogue to Noelle) across chapters 3-5 despite being unplayable, a true weird route could lead to a timeloop reset with Noelle being around earlier/more often. The dog knows that the game gets datamined, so any files involving Noelle in Chapter 1 would likely be added in a future patch. This is a bit of a cope option with the amount of code debt involved in earlier chapters, but we're theorycrafting here.
>>4006803It's kinda funny that UT had a good ending while DR seems to be going to have a bad endingWhile UTY had a bad ending, DRY will probably have a good ending Like pottery
possible kino incoming - found this on /v/, unsure how "real" it is but considering the ARG implies there is bad news about the Dark World/Castle Town I will believe it, but it's honestly not like toby to leave something like future chapter sprites
>>4006949that's just susie decorating the place for noelle's arrival, I think those are used during that cutscenebut noelle freezing the dark world could still happen on drowned weird route ch 6
>>4006799if you think toby's going to make people replay the entire game in weird route you don't understand his game design philosophy at all. he won't even make you slog through platforming sections after the first time.
Don't know if this has been brought up yet, but is Darkner!Gerson the real Gerson who was resurrected, or is he a recreation of the original from his dust?
>>4007004My headcanon is he is an idealized version of Gerson but not the real one. He might have most of the memories of the original Gerson but also knows how dark worlds work and has a lot of unexplained powers to be a lightner.Really wish fake Gerson was actually just a botched attempt by Susie since she didn't know him well, but I feel Tobias chickened out on that.
>>4007004I think this is more of a philosophical question than a basic definitional one. He has Gerson's memories, but those may just be inherited from the object. He's certainly physically different from Gerson. Gerson was a monster, and a feeble old man. Not made of darkness, and he didn't have superpowers. So your answer would be based on how you define personhood and its continuity.
I think it's kind of interesting that people sort of missed out thatThe Flower Man can only be trapped in asylum in the weird route since it skips to chapter 7
>>4007133He is still trapped there though? Since Susie fixes him up?
>>4007136I don't think you're thinking about what would happen to Asgore with the black shard in chapter 5 without Kris.
>>4007138He would run her over?
So to keep this out of the Fangame thread I feel like mentioning thatNoelle actually doesn't change between the weird and normal routes, and you aren't actually replacing Susie with her, she's replacing Susie with YouAnd Susie is in danger and this is what Ralsei was vaguely meta-aware of in the weird route ending of chapter 4
>>4007262Could you elaborate on that?
>>4007265Noelle is dragging both you and Susie into the depths in a self destructive bid for the control she already hasLiterally in the case of the weird route where she overrides your choices and drags you into the lake out of bounds unless you refuse to make any choice at all forcing her to get a game over and reload and metaphorically as she is dragging Susie along to feel stronger and it being "forced"
>>4006583People keep bringing up sans card but isnt it a photograph in undertale and not a drawing?
>>4007270I could be remembering wrong but it might simply be referred to as a picture.
>>4007271I went back and looked. My mistake, its because the drawing is inside a photo album that i thought that
>>4007269For the record I think you should be very concerned that You DO cause Noelle to get a game over and she literally reacts the way a player would
>>4007269I don't think lake Noelle is like normal route Noelle. If anything normal route Noelle is more like Susie right now, both of them being very self indulgent, with it reflecting worse on Susie since she knows the stakes but isn't thinking about them critically while ignoring Kris.Lake Noelle is crazy, broken, sure Kris is also a sort of vessel for her escapism there but there's a big difference between whatever crazy nonesense lake Noelle is up to and normal Noelle being overly self indulgent. >>4007277I don't think there's a game over in either lake ending. if you talk to Susie in the onsen she talks about you and Noelle being wet and standing on the shore, and she's worried about not being let in on Noelle and Kris' secret. While if you get to the bottom of the lake, well whatever happens neither Kris are Noelle are drowning anymore.
>>4007269>>4007277>>4007280I don't think it is a "game over", it is the universe itself correcting into the "proper path" if you fail to PROCEED enoughI hate it because it means the "hometown is a gaster simulation" theory might be real and that kinda ruins the worldbuilding for the DR world
>>4007282The key is actually the bread Sans gives you, it's a Mother/Earthbound Beginnings reference. In it breadcrumbs are an item that allows you to teleport back to where their trail started, but they can also wrong warp you into an area that looks like what the flying aces saw through the binoculars in mancountry.Sans just gave you teleportation bread.
>>4006168i still have severe concerns about toby's ability to explain the sans business in a satisfying manner
>>4007280Maybe if I put it another way, you know how Susie asks what you were talking about and it's glossed over like nothing is wrong?She talked Susie into proving the dark world and magic was real and not a dream to her too, just like she did with you
>>4007306>She talked Susie into proving the dark worldI'm pretty sure that's all Susie thinking with her pussy and wanting to bring in Noelle. She 100% knows and doesn't give a shit in the Chapter 4 abort but Susie still wants to bring her into it.
>>4007307Eh, suit yourself, I can't make you acknowledge that Noelle is reloading and trying with Susie detatched and dissassociated.
>>4007308>Noelle is reloading and trying with Susie detatched and dissassociated.Oh, is that what you mean? Noelle in the weird route, 'reloads' the game when you drown instead of crossing. I don't know if it's possible since Gaster stuff seems to be linked to reloading in DR instead of Determination. So it's not clear to me how another character being able to save and load the game would work. Besides that I don't think Noelle literally saved and loaded the game, Susie mentions Kris and Noelle were wet and did talk about something.I just think it's the teleportation bread. Besides that Noelle talks about how powerless she feels so I think she's more resigned to her fate there.
>>4007314So you didn't at all consider the implications of Loading into Noelle at the Start of the Chapter?All this being said I think we're getting nowhere fast.
>>4007317Oh yeah I know that, Kris seems entirely broken we see the red dot. I think the reloading is more an external force, whatever (Gaster since he seems to manage the save files) was trying to stop Noelle and Kris from crossing the lake wins and the save is more or less stitched back together with Noelle's:>Nothing changedBeing her accepting her fate instead of breaking through the game. Although like I agree I don't expect us to switch to Noelle as out vessel anytime soon. I think that is more likely to happen in the drowned weird route anyways.
>>4007318This is probably going to sound like a shitty thing to say, but you know it's rude in a conversation to just ignore a premise being presented to you entirely.
>>4007322I don't really care, but hey, I said I agree with you about Noelle either getting a Red Soul or us switching to controlling her. I just think saving and loading is a force external to the world and that she doesn't really have a plan besides, 'vibes' and hope it works.
Deltarune is Ben Drowned with ocs.>Game is haunted by a ghost that drowned in a lake>DR is the MM to UT's OOT>There's some shit with an alternate world and rituals to access it>The appeal is the ARG/lore and not the game>Leimotifs that appear everywhere>Sans is Jadusable>Gaster is the old man who sold the cartridge
>>4007337>Game is haunted by a ghostHeheheHim.
Man, this game's got me feeling genuinely mad two days later. What an awful chapter.
>>4007356I don't even play the chapters anymore I just look up the ending and Kris/Noelle porn.
>>4006741Getting a little convinced about this, once I've seen this. If you give the toast to Asgore instead of Toriel, you get this dialogue. Weird route Sans gives you bread that leaves breadcrumbs.There's got to be some Mother 1 Breadcrumb glitch or something.
Anyone else think Deltarune is too long? I feel like it passed a comfortable length in chapter 3. At this point it takes about 25 hours to complete, which feels way too long for what it is.
>>4007375here's more evidence
>>4007411The issue isnt the length but that most of it feels like filller
>>4007414oh wow I didn't know you could glitch using bread in M1 and Ive played that game quite a few times and read random stuff about it for years
>>4007341Oh my god shut up about your stupid made up bullshit>Ooooh guys so scary this guy that's totally not a creepypasta I made up, like he HAUNTS deltarune, and Toby leaves secret clues to tell people who know, he's like REALLY good at bomberman, which is why the new secret boss has a bomberman attack, but we'll never give you proof he's real but we know :))
>>4007427It's Dess, Dess is haunting the narrative.
>>4007375youtube video for this dialogue for anyone who cares: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efyuBT8vzC4
>>4007431i'm not talking about dess, dess is fine
>>4007427He haunts it even though he doesn't exist. He is simply too powerful.
more dess stuff if you have kris think of something else from the ferris wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0sDBFqRRD0>Every day is peaceful. Every day is joyful. Happy days from the time you wake up to the time you go to sleep.>Wishing only for those unchanging, unending happy days, days of boredom repeating forever and ever.>No abnormalities as far as the eyes can see. Life without the tiniest speck of abnormality...>If the world were like that, I'd consider *that* pretty damn abnormal.
You know, now that I think about it, the whole "b side" thing could have an explanation already.
also, there is already some papyrus falling meme type shit about the flower seeds - while it would be cool to do something like this, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Kris will pull a Chara and poison himself with his own cooking
>>4008168When does that happen in the chapter? Cause after the 'walk me home', the credits rolled and thats it.
>>4008187I think that's a mockup.
>>4008168>>4008187I think it's fanmade, like the video that someone made for getting 67 seconds on the climbing minigame
>>4008192>>4008191Damn, tony isn't the only one tricking me it seems.
>>4008194You don't even have the opportunity to walk around on your own after the chapter, Kris walks Susie home and then it cuts to black after the credits.
>>4008192Oh, that one was real actually.
I know no one cares about this kind of stuff but I wish that Flowery had at least cracked the Knight's armor with his 999 damage combo. Obviously not enough to reveal who the Knight actually is since that is "the big reveal" for a later chapter, but just SOMETHING you know? And yes I know its its a meta thing why he couldn't do anything, but I just wanted Flowery to have a badass moment if he was going to die anyway.Ah well, my feelings on the chapter are super mixed anyway, despite liking most of it.
>>4008228I wanted a knight round 2 fight with the same it's near impossible to win but the flowers heal you through out the fight being cut down one by oneThen at the end raslei uses his fire magic to end it after many rounds
>>4008195Well, you CAN manually walk Susie to the school - if you choose "no" you are auto-piloted, but saying "yes" lets you walk around town. I just... have never seen anyone try to walk to the graveyard or shelter, so I'm in the "I'm not falling for that shit" campalso Spamton continues to parralel Kris, this BIG SHOT literally cannot be topped and is the best thing this game has produced
>>4008302>I just... have never seen anyone try to walk to the graveyard or shelter,you can't, they are blocked off by flower potsI tried
>>4007463You know, it's probably dumb, but the church, specifically, getting a halloween theme for the festival that seems out of place was weird.Also for no real reason other than being connected by Halloween, I think Jack and Yagi would get along great.
>>4007422>>4007414It's also worth noting that Susie writes on a punch card. Since like the bread, the Punch Card is a glitched item in Undertale which allows you to go our of bounds and move during dialogue and cutscenes.
>>4008310I personally think it parralels Dess in a way, I think there was a joke her favorite Christmas movie is Nightmare Before Christmas, which is Halloween and Christmas Holidays discovering eachother exsist and interaction with eachotherThe enitre house/town is christmas themed except for a little room/patch near the forest which is Halloween
from the people who brought you tea theory, comes hammer theorywhere this one scene reflects the narrative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99Kpi5ZHrMinteresting theory based on punch card and breadcrumbs for what noelle and kris potentially did + knight potential "identity"
Didn't make this image myself but damn toby, did you have to do her like that?I mean we have to remember that the game takes place over the course of 4 days so far and everyone else outside of Kris and Noelle (even then noelle thinks most of what happened in chapter 2 was a dream) think she's still the same asshole she was last week.
>>4008428I was genuinely upset at this scene but then I go online and everyone is treating like a jokeCatti keeps losing
>>4008316you telling me the glitch might actually be canon? thats pretty cool
>>4006427Nah, she's been like this for a while. I've been saying since Ch. 4 that she just disregards Kris whenever Noelle is around. And now that they're an item, it gets worse. It gets to the point when even Ralsei disregards Kris when referring to people Susie has in the real world.
Anyone notice the part where Susie is heavily implied to be stealing stuff from the church.
>>4008683mind posting it? i didnt notice implications of her stealing shit outside of the darkners.
>>4008689gerson's son brings up stuff missing from the church when you talk to himand susie mentioned 'with all these pumpkins, they dont notice jack is missing' jokingly.
>>4008690I'm pretty sure the missing items are all the darkners you recruited from chapter 4, anon.
>>4008699No.It was susie.Just susie.Okay?
>>4008690i mean, thats just what kris was going to do anyways to bring the darkners to castle town.though i'd imagine that she took too many.
>>4008428The point of the game is to make players hate Susie and want to get back at her by stealing Noelle which is why the Weird Route is about just that.And then chapter 5 reveals that Noelle wanted to be cruel the entire time, which is why she's crushing on a girl who bullied the shit out of her childhood friend.The entire onus of the game is "You can't choose who you are in this world", all the Susie shit and bad yuri is intentional. The story is calling for (you) to go fuck these WHORES so you play all routes of the game.
>>4008728>The point of the game is to make players hate Susie and want to get back at her by stealing Noelle which is why the Weird Route is about just that.Twitter poisoned teens love susie/suselle though, I've seen people say the festival date was the best written lesbian confession ever, and so far from random polls I've seen people liked it overallBut I hope Toby does something that will actually make people call Susie out, might be why he doesn't want to sell plushies of the lightners because fucked up shit will happen
>>4008735>Twitter poisoned teens love susie/suselle thoughThat's because they don't see the clear subtext (not even subtext anymore) that Kris is struggling and nobody in his life besides his dad cares (and his dad gets snatched away). Fandomites never get it.
>>4008738I've seen people both say Kris is "happy for them" (he clearly isn't in the few instances where you can pick those options like the spa scene or his face at the end of the chapter) or that Kris is a "bad ally" for wanting Susie for himself and getting in the way of the lesbo romanceThere is no winning
>>4008739the worst part is that most of them assume that any Kris + Noelle shippers are just in it for the weird route rape, then they have objectively better chemistry in every interaction. The carnival has scenes like >>4008378 spell it out fairly blatantly, though in their defense, they are unlikely to see most of these scenes if they're picking the Suselle options.
>>4008742You know for someone willing to bring up the weird route, you're strangely absent Noelle controlling people.Yes, even if is outside of the route where part of the SOUL has been inserted into Noelle.
>>4008739Toby did poop the goose a little by making Susie a girl too, because if she was a man not even /v/ would like her. Yuri/yaoifags unfortunately eat up even the shittiest dynamics if both are the same gender.You should stop reading twitter, it's bad for your brain.>>4008742I ship them, but the point of their dynamic that's really interesting is the fact that Noelle has an evil side and will only love Kris if he starts acting awful. She's supposed to represent his desire to be more to the world, which he'll never be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hYpDNsGvr4Festival voting options>Voting "Kris" twice has Noelle draw a kris grave on her vote>Berdly options: SusiexBerdly has kris and noelle destroy the vote, NoellexBerdly has TWO different dialogues for if you talked to him before voting or not, BerdlyxQueen has Susie's vote change to be the same choice
>>4008850Berdly was done dirty, they turned him into a total simp
>>4008854On a related note I feel like bringing up:>Noelle is exploiting people by trying to solicit power and benefits out of them>Berdly was turned into a puppet to make her feel more important and lacks real connections with anyone>Kris shutting everything about how Noelle really is and being turned into a puppet for Noelle to get access to You>Susie being used as a key to get access to the Dark Worlds and Noelle explicitly admitting that she doesn't actually like her in an aborted weird route and the heavy handed means of Noelle controlling Susie to force the hammer game to work>Ralsei is next even if he's partially getting corrupted by Noelle by proxy via Susie already and is having his attempts at self actualization eroded>There is something more important than getting to the end>WEIRD ROUTE SKIPS TO THE ENDING
>>4008571Nah, for one thing you don't keep the punch card and the punch card in Undertale is a completely different punch card. I think Toby making the card with three smiling people on it is a sort of last minute addition in order to bring attention to the whole game breaking theme, like:>Ah, people might miss the bread crumbs reference, let me bring up a glitch item from Undertale to help plant the idea in their mind.Personally I prefer to think that Deltarune and Undertale aren't literally video games in universe. Although it's not that strong of a preference.>>4008907I think you're overestimating Noelle.
>>4008915>I think you're overestimating Noelle.I think you're ignoring what's right in front of your face.
>>4008907Oh and also, the MANTLE game
>>4008907>Noelle explicitly admitting that she doesn't actually like her in an aborted weird routehuh?
>>4009044Not directly said but she says that what she does in normal route is a noelle doing noelle thingsImplying she only has interest in susie because it's what's expected of her
>>4009049I dont buy it, she is really proactive for a shy girl in trying to get close to susie since ch1
>>4009049>>4009050noelle is attracted to susie because she "ignores the rules"she was hoping susie would take her away from hometown like kris does in the weird routebut susie didn'tso there is some (small, miniscule) hope things will come to a head next chaptermaybe that's why toby fled to japan since the fanbase will go nuclear if suselle breaks up
>>4009052well susie will take her to the dark worldIs that good enough
>>4009055thats not going to end well lmao
>>4009083>And this is our adopted son, Lancer
>>4009055>>4009083>>4009084reminder rudy might actually be on death bed this time too
>>4009083>take her to the dark world>rudy dies>noelle goes crazy and ruins everything, causing roaring or whatever>defeat noelle, but everything is still fucked>her last words: "if only i had been stronger, this could have been prevented...">help make her stronger to prevent itCould see it.
>>4009055Probably not, especially since her dad is dying and we know that magic. Susie tries to bring her in, she thinks she sees something to save her dad and then it does jack shit.>>4009136Not to mention the Chapter 5 Weird Route abort, where she's already convinced she's powerless and resents it.>Not exactly, I think getting the actual item doesn't matter that much. She fits the conditions so I could see her crashing out like them. I can see even her normal route version going non-drowned weird route version:> I was foolish for trying to save my father> A Noelle can only be a Noelle> We can't escape our fate> *Cue her dreams being shattered, a Shadow Crystal being created, and becoming a super boss*That's not even talking about how she'll react to the prophecy when she already feels like her life is pre-determined and hates it.
>>4009139>>4009138
>>4006118Good.Use your aggressive feelings, boy.Let the hate flow through you!
My absolutely demented dump about how the game would unravel so you have to go from chapter 6 side A to chapter 7 side A by exploring the rest of side Bs (yes, there is potentially one side B per chapter, they're just way quicker to complete).https://rentry.org/y8kyk5erFeel free to thrash and roast. Maybe even expand on it, let's be crazy.
Hm, I wonder if anything about Flowery is how Kris feels about the player?
>>4009392I kinda agree with the first half but not the 2nd one, I think that 7B will be visiting the inner workings of the game/gaster's original deltarune or maybe even confronting him directly, and I kinda am starting to believe into the kriselle knight theoryBesides that would be a lot of work for Toby which would make chapter 7 release in 2035
>>4009529>I think that 7B will be visiting the inner workings of the game/gaster's original deltarune or maybe even confronting him directly, and I kinda am starting to believe into the kriselle knight theoryI'm pretty sure all of this is gonna happen, that's what I kinda expect from visiting the shelter for example. But visiting the inner workings of the game sounds like a big possibility just after the lake skip, you're right. But I feel like a genocide of Hometown is strongly implied, both by the Mantle game and the Shadow Crystal showing Noelle in an empty Hometown. Maybe it's not in 7B, but it's definitely somewhere in the B timeline.
I wonder if A and B are shorthand? like, Route A is "Angel" and Route B is "Black"
>>4009543The B-sides of a record are often more unhinged and experimental than the A-sides.
>>4009545>experimentalVery very interdasting
My prediction: Toby Always Chickens Out>NormalNPC will on ch 6 turn out to not have killed anyone and it was all just a misunderstanding. >And look, flowery is back alive!>Rudy doesn't even flatline in the hospital >Chungus funny hospital adventure >Maybe a couple creepy things thrown in to make you think it'll happen >No knight identity still>More funny image friend faces >Who's Dess?>7A will be teased as the pirate adventure with a pirate captain who looks a lot like Gaster but they don't call him that for max gasterlightingYeah I'm kinda done with it wake me if 2-4 hour 7B confirmed as my gut suspicion is it'll just be "grey hometown with jump scare and cut to credits"And until proven otherwise that's what in my head is what happens until I have solid reason to believe otherwise.
>>4009370I tried to give both another chance. There is almost nothing for me there, and the little there is isn't worth the hassle.And even disregarding "it isn't what I imagined", what I got from both is just so fucking BORING. It's a whole bunch of nothing.>>4009384>Hey, didn't you want to see chapter 1 stuff again? And didn't you want the secret boss to be wacky again? And more UT references? Have Pink!The whole "nostalgia trip" in chapter 5 feels cynical when I look into it long enough. It's memberberries, not an actual appreciation of how ch1 work.
>>4009392I can see Susie crashing out, fully embodying her role of the dragon on the normal route. As is she's allowing herself to but into the escapist nature of the prophecy when it gives her what she whats, while just sort of assuming the bad things will sort themselves out. She's not critically examining it, and she's falling onto the path. So Susie falling into the role of the dragon, the ultimate enemy, seems like an appropriate fate, she fails and is consumed by the prophecy. It's worth noting that Noelle complains about that type of person and wrongly believes Susie to be the opposite, she too is allowing herself to buy into an illusion the prophecy is offering her.I'm not too sure about (you) being able to chose which side you fight on, then again OFF did it and it's one of UTDR's main inspirations. I'm more skeptical of Kris dying = timeloop, especially because the function of a time loop in the narrative is already fulfilled by the prophecy and a past Fun Gang which I think was hinted at in this chapter when they talk about the past Dark World. Besides there is already a time loop, i.e what (you) the soul is doing.I feel like Kris having an:>Obsession for the roaring (Trance down)Is sort of presumptuous, especially when the voice on the phone mentions a promise and Kris seems pained by keeping his secrets. To me it reads more like he feels guilty over something and is being coerced into working with the Knight.On the topic of the Shadow Crystals, I think it's worth mentioning what Seam calls them:>Kris, I suppose I owe you an explanation about all this....>The Shadow Crystals... contain a certain power.>The power they contain is...>"The power of lost dreams.">When a strong attachment is formed... when a dream is gripped tightly... and then broken off. These... are the shards that remain.>"Failed dreams"... of course, these things are useless to you, Kris.
>>4009567 (cont.)I'm paraphrasing here, but I feel like the shadow crystals being broken dreams implies they reflect the fears, dreams, and perception of the wielder.The reason only the TV World and Flower King Dark World are different is because Kris has a strong attachment to those places.The TV World and Kris' house in Chapter 5 generally play into the theme of Kris' home life being destroyed, either physically or someone else replacing Kris in Toriel's life or stealing her affection.While Kris is obviously afraid of losing Susie, which is where her visions come from.But for the Noelle visions, I think Noelle and Kris had a crush on each other as kids and that's what they're about. I think the festival dialogue from the Kris+Noelle voting option and the follow up ferries wheel ride support that.In the first they each put their names down, even if they misspelled them and Noelle thinks about how those names: Noel Hollyday and Kris Dreamer still deserve to win. While on the ferris wheel she thinks about how Kris used it to distract her, to make her happy. If you shake it she laughs, and if you don't she blames herself for bringing Kris along into her plan. Then you have the hammer game where only Kris and Noelle can beat it how it's meant to be played. While Kris and Susie get distracted, and Susie tries to force her favored outcome with Noelle.There was something there once, between Kris and Noelle. That's what her Shadow Crystal visions are about.I don't really follow you that much in the second half, but my assumption regarding the Weird Route is that, for better or worse, we're breaking the prophecy fully. The reason why it calls Chapter 7 Side B is that we're going to where Chapter 7 would take place (the Depths beneath the town or something), but with only Noelle, creating a different scenario.Although I agree about the general idea of Noelle, or someone else, trying to get higher agency through some form of sacrifice.
>>4009551at least it will keep my expectations low
>>4009569Is it just me or Noelle seems like Basil from Omori? Both are powerful and can only join your party on the side route, both play part in the bad stuff happening, they also both share a long history together with the main character
>>4009392I don't think Toby would ever make you do an evil route to get a good ending. At best it may hint you at what to do on a normal route
>>4009627normal route will also be a dudthere is an in between path
>>4009628Yes, of course. But I truly wonder what Toby is going to do, without it being a retread of UT.
>>4009392I don't think Knight's plan is to cause the roaring, because they could've done so at any pointAlso chapter 7 side A will definitely be normally accesible. Imagine if Toby released chapter 7 update, people will download the game to play it, but they wouldn't be able to, that would be awful. As well, Chapter 6 is basically confirmed to have Holiday Mansion or Hospital as a DW and Chapter 7 will 99% take place in the Bunker, that's why you can skip to it through the lake
>>4009625I think they hit some of the same general beats:>Childhood friend>Witnessed something they blocked out of their memory. (Kris probably also did this as well, the EGGs are evidence after all)>Became separatedAnd as you says they'e both stronger party members who come in later. Personally if we're just talking about what happened in the past, I think Azzy, Dess, and Kris were the previous Fun Gang. Not necessarily the heroes from the prophecy, but maybe Dess believed them to be. But like how Noelle began to chaff against reality in the Weird Route, Dess eventually left everything behind and coerced Kris into helping her with it with Noelle witnessing whatever turned Dess into the Knight.
>>4002072The faggy gender neutral language with they/them instead of he/she feels so forced it breaks the writing in quite a few places.
>>4008854Berdly had a great potential.Got ruined / killed. Asgore is already established to be a doormat and it will get only worse.ESG game.
>>4008728>The story is calling for (you) to go fuck these WHORES so you play all routes of the game.To hell with those whores, there's only one (2) girl(s) for me.Done with Susie after she cockblocked me. Those FLIRTs were sincere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqYVUyDXVnEThere are beds in Chapter 5 for those Bed Inspectors out there
>>4009890>washed up on the beach>he takes you toa fucking room in between
Has anyone else noticed that Hammer of Justice and Flower Man share a motif?
>>4009551>>4009573Deltarune is a videogame in universe and nothing exists outside of hometown and never has. Everyone's memories of the world before Chapter 1 are fake.Dess and Asriel aren't real and if they do appear on screen Gaster just made them with the same fake memories.
>>4010342IMO that is very lame, and I hate the game being too meta for this reasonJust give a bone to the fan creators and let the setting be able to be expanded
>>4010343Thank you, I like it because it's such a shitty and dissprovable theory. Even if Asirel or Dess appear on screen you can say they were created just then by Gaster for the DR simulation world.I think the only possible point against it is DR Sans and UT sans being the same person, which doesn't work since Toby implies there's more to Undertale's world, so word of God, it isn't a video game in universe. I've just seen a lot more people peddling the theory due to interpreting the Weird Route as Noelle and Kris as literally leaving the bounds of the game, ignoring the fact the ARG equates the bottom and far shore of the lake meaning and Flowery's comments about a darkness beneath Hometown: meaning that there's probably just something special and fucky with the town and lake due to it being built on top of hell.
>>4010362It could always be that UT is the actual world, but DR is a gaster simulationStill I hope there is more beyond hometown and it really isn't just the game world, but remember that in the ARG "four chapters" also gave the "first time she smiled in her life" answer which is the meta way to view things
>>4010379>gaster simulationThat's not really what I'm talking about, gaster simulation can mean a lot of things, I'm talking specifically about the one where DR is a literal in universe computer game being run on Gaster's dell laptop. But Sans from DR existing in Undertale, which we already know isn't a game, kind of throws a wrench into that idea.
I'm starting to think that with Susie's comment in the date, worrying if Noelle's phone is "not hurt" or talking to the flower pots, I think she will go full delusional in chapter 6 with worrying too much about the darkners, which light world people will call out and find it strangeShe will go off the deep end, hoarding all darkners in the closet like a proper dragonMaybe she will even mutate into an actual dragon due to the dark world influence (and thus match the UT concept art of the dragon fighting the angel)
>>4010404On some level I kind of get it, she's getting in too deep and it's actually being a problem.But I think it's pretty rational to be worried about fucking up Asgore's flowers, or breaking Noelle's phone, even if the language is probably inappropriate.
The Suselle ship was so forced in my opinion, Susie went from being clueless to straight up flirting
I quite enjoyed this chapter and the flower castle theme is deceptively catchy but OH MY GOD. The KEKENING. I feel like one of the main purposes of the chapter is to make it more understandable when Kris flips next chapter and becomes the bad guy.The final scenes of the normal route when Kris walks Suzie "home" depict Suzie at her most feminine... and not in a good way. She is blasting the poor little yellow chud with mixed messages at maximum intensity. The game ends with her giving him a lingering flirtatious look then shutting a door in his face and leaving him along in the dark.
>>4010436I feel like it's more likely that either Susie or Noelle with start the roaring, ala the recent arg:>Q: Where did she smile?>A: The Place Where It Snowed.>R: You know that isn't until later.Cue GLACIER. Cheeky ERAM/Dess/whoever wrote the responses.With Kris chosing his friends over the Knight but suffering due to breaking his promise. No matter what it feels like he's fucked.
>>4010501I think Kris will still choose Dess over his friends, and chapter 5 humiliation was so his betrayal wouldn't feel as bad
BREAKING NEWS: RALSEI'S FIRE SPELL IS UNUSED IN THE CODE - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0EIXhLsycIt is currently just a running copy of Ice Shock but it DOES have it's own unique animation, so we might be able to burn some shit later
>>4010515Im hoping for this
>>4010515I guess Kress fans will be eating happily if that happens, although I'd still feel bad for Kris. How many unrequited crushes can one kid have? Noelle, Susie, Dess, who's next?!
>>4010573mewmew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTv9_QvttukThis video got me thinking, but is Susie going to sleep in Castle Town between Chapter 4 & 5 is what causes her to become so enamored with the Dark Worlds, you just know there's gonna be a dozen plus fanfics with that premise alone.Not to mention the Deltafell Noelle's, all of them which didn't have her be openly instead of secretly disdainful of everyone else aged poorly.
>>4010527tree man fire power
moldesstor won
Evil Susie Theoryhttps://rentry.org/evil-susietap in
>>4010527I'm still disappointed he never had to use it to at least clear some vines or something
>>4010628i read a LN about this very concept before (demon lord used a magic weapon to regress himself and the MC while swapping their roles) and it was neat
>>4010527So the timeloop theory might be realWe'll do what we did in undertale where we go back to talk to certain characters and that includes convincing ralsei to use fire magic earlier
Does anyone know where I can find a resource/screenshot for the borders used in the console versions of chapter 5? Specifically looking for if there's one during the Flowery fight (also any dump of the sound effects from this chapter would be handy, i'm trying to make a shitpost)
>>4010628>https://rentry.org/evil-susie>assuming Toby isn’t mentally retarded and is running for the BIGGEST HACK OF THE MILLENIA awardGood luck with this assumption mate
>>4010860Spriters/sound resources site, but they haven't allowed uploading of the new stuff from chapter 5 yet to prevent spoilers, maybe wait a week or so
>>4010628I think this kind of ignores the fact that Kris is working with the Knight and already seems to have some sort of plan before you enter him. >Susie has to cheat to ring the bell (THIS IS REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT, Ch1-4 SUSIE WOULDN’T DO THIS BUT AT THIS POINT SHE ISN’T EVEN BOTHERING TO HIDE IT ANYMORE)I mean that's kind of her entire thing from the beginning, not that she's a cheater, but that she ignores other people's whims. She's the one who decides the final prophecy slide isn't going to happen, meaning Ralsei needs an additional push in the form of Flowery, she's the one who comes up with the ideas, her bullishness has been herr most consistent trait from chapter 1 but whether she ends up having a good or bad impact depends on the scene.Other than that I like the fact the most recent chapters have gone Suselle and Kriselle shippers to go.>Susie/Noelle is secretly pure evil and the one behind everything!!! Other than that I think it's pretty likely we'll get both a Susie and Noelle crashout, I can see either of them starting the roaring depending on what happens next chapter. But you don't need Susie to (somehow) be controlling the entire timeline to make that work, the ending scene with Kris looking dejected while Susie prepares Castle Town (her own personal fantasy world) for Noelle, while Noelle's dad is dying pretty much has all the set up for thee above without Susie literally controlling the entire timeline.Other than that I don't like the fact that this theory doesn't have a place for Dess, the Knight, or the Eggs, which are evidence probably related to Kris' personal trauma. It's so meta it sort of ignores most of the actual plot events of the game.
>>4010628you confused black shard with shadow crystal, they are 2 different things
>>4010909nta, but I also wanna say that we do get a description of what the eggs do during Blue and Yellow's trial:>It’s evidence. You’ll know what it was evidence for when it happensSo it's not just a:>A QUIRKY CHUNGUS L I T E R A L EASTER EGG
>Queen seeing Noelle after she froze everyone in her kingdom>Noelle realizing this stuff isn't just dreams>Susie realizing the dark fountains are made by Kris >Kris doing some shit>Whatever embarrassing shit the other NPCs do>The Knight crashing the party >The grand fountain gaining sentience Susie I don't think this is a good idea
>>4011017>Get an option like that when seeing this>Susie responds "What do you mean Kris, you told me earlier it's a great idea"How'd you react
>Achievments are A-Route specific, why they got an A on them
>>4011038so there's a chance we just straight up get a whole side B where we swap susie for noelle.
>>4011039Aaaaaaaaa
>>4011039It seems like a lot of work for something not a lot of players would experience, then again I would be here for it.
>>4011042you say that when this is the man who put oddly specific actions for weird route to start on chapter 2the more likely answer for toby to not do this is it would require heavy amount for coding which he is not suited for
>>4011131It's just backtracking and killing people, there are some options that will abort you on accident if you're playing without a guide but I think if you're paying attention and just pick the creepy dialogue options it's that that obscure.Besides the weird route does cut a lot of content as well.
>>4010628i agree something is up with susie. in chapter 2 i thought she was secretly the knight playing dumb, a mary sue as a plot point, living out her fantasy. similar concept with less context.
>>4011723You're overthinking it. It's a build up to make the disappearance of the dark world more dramatic. It's already established in chapter 4 when she first destroys a part of the prophecy, then she says something about a story with no ending. For her the darkness is not a dangerous anomaly but a vacation trip.
>>4011821ntw, but to be fair to him, I think there are a lot of separate ideas in the theory which are correct, but which are just assembled wrongly.>Someone messed with the og story>Susie seems out of place>Something about prophecy panels>Susie (or Noelle) might crash outI think of the theory like Kris Knight or Third Entity. The idea that Kris could be working against us due to being manipulated isn't wrong, but Kris literally being the Roaring Knight or having another person inside of him runs into issues. For one thing I don't know how to come to the conclusion Susie is replacing the role of Kris and not Noelle. It already seems likely that Kris is the replacement for the vessel, so adding another layer of replacement onto that just seems funny.Susie isn't exactly a prince like Ralsei and Asgore lampshades Asriel as one. Which kind of leaves the role of girl, which fits Susie the best, and who else is a strong plot important girl with game breaking abilities?Noelle.
Ralsei Room Chapter 5 stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5mHumY_MnoBasically a shit ton of effort went into specific situations for Ralsei's Room since you can visit/not visit for 2 chapters
>>4012030Before it came out, I was kind of hoping that this chapter would end on a super castle town. New shops, everything from previous castle towns content wise, new fusions. That was under the assumption that Chapter 5 would end with the roaring, or maybe some sort of pre-climax right before everything goes to total shit and there's no more opportunities to visit castle town.I guess since this isn't the pre-climax it makes sense we didn't get it now, but I'll be really disappointed if we don't get one at the end of Chapter 6.
>>4012033Chapter 6 is going to be homestuck style and require you to advance both plotlines
>>4012030>>4012033castle town as usual is a wasted opportunity because the dojo isn't even available in 4 and 5 (and 5 only has a meme fight not even in the dojo itself)I was hoping we would get boss rushes and other FUN gameplay stuff, but fuck me I guess
>>4011039I think people expect 7B to be a lot crazier and experimental than just a swap of party members
>>40123607B is just "7, but with skipped 6"
>>4012381And 5
>>4012381I expect Kris and Noelle have ended up where Chapter 7 will take place, i.e the Depths/Bunker, but given the way you get there and the fact both the Shadow Crystal and Egg quests can't be completed, I could see something really weird happening.
fan game thread busted the image limit, anyone could pass me the sprite of the snake girl please?
>>4012741this wasn't the other thread they mentioned, it is on /v/but here you go anyway
>>4012743oh ok
>>4005273"Production & Operations Management, Sixth Edition."If "Sixth Edition" alludes to "Chapter 6," and the title name alludes to the plot of Ch6, then what might happen next will be quite crazy. Will Kris's soul be "downgraded" back to its original cyan color somehow?https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/598424269/#598437215Now the only unidentified books are the one beginning with "M", and the other two books with blank spines. The information is too little and I don't think we can figure them out.
I had a great time with chapter 5 since I had already accepted that Susie was going to get destroyed by the shitty yuri plot a year ago and was just looking forward to a fun adventure with a new cast of weirdos. The festival was a slog but the chapter delivered in that department after that.I am not sure how the next chapter will be though since the deer is going to be intruding on the dark world parts too. That will be a problem unless something splits the party for most of it.
Are you guys having to buy each fucking chapter of this fucking game?
>>4012967Its a single purchase anon, rest of the chapters are free updates.
>>4012869loser
post chp 5:I didnt think kris being patience soul would get a lot of evidencedamn, aqua really was somethingtho kris is frisk still is alive with the whole sans is from ut thing
>>4012999>sans is from ut thing*sans is from dr
>>4012999Honestly I never got the appeal of soul types or who's the counterpart of who from Undertale. Although I guess it's interesting Kris used to be aqua-colored, but changed to red. Makes our connection and control over him seem even more unnatural.>>4012869With all the Ralsei/Noelle parellels and them both being casters, and Ralsei's whole arc, I sort of expect Noelle to replace him for a majority or at least part of the next Dark World. Then she or Susie do something which starts the roaring, getting us to Chapter 7 Bunker/Depths bullshit.
>>4013007>r who's the counterpart of who from Undertale. its primarly because dr characters had counterparts from ut, which lead people to think wait who is kris? It activated the theory autism since its unclear who kris was, in a world of clear counterparts. Theres also the whole clam girl stuff and her connection with the dont forget photoTheres also the angle that it adds characterization to certain characters. It expands frisk character a lot (since frisk barely has any character). It expands charas character a lot (since we dont really know much about chara either). etc etc>Makes our connection and control over him seem even more unnatural.yes, as if we are demon summoned from another world, heh
>>4013011>yes, as if we are demon summoned from another world, hehYes. Likely from one of Catti's rituals with Kris.What if the reason we didn't get our vessel and were interrupted at the start is because of the summoning ritual? It's interrupted by a voice people called Chara, and who else is Kris' equivalent in Undertale?
>>4013109>Yes. Likely from one of Catti's rituals with Kris.NTA, but honestly, I think the second voice is way more likely to be Dess. It just seems a bit odd to be that a pair of Hot Topic mall goths would be able to interfere with the Gaster bullshit accidentally. But what I find even more convincing that this isn't what caused us to enter the world is the fact that I don;t think Kris for a second would involve Catti as he keeps things to close to his chest all the time anyways.If he was doing the proposed Playerr summoning ritual with Catti the plan, presumably, would have been to have her involved, and yet she she isn't very important.Not to mention that there's already so much Dess, Noelle, and Asriel related trauma going on in Kris' backstory I somehow doubt the Catti is involved. Besides Dess is the one who presumably wrote, or at least sang, 'raise up your bat', which talks about your soul. And who else parallels Chara? Dess. Also Flowery, Ralsei, and Kris.That is also kind of why I don't give a shit about parallels. Chara and Asriel (UT) parallels are like a venn diagram of symbolism.
>>4013109>and who else is Kris' equivalent in Undertale?FriskObviously.If anyone is the "Chara" equivalent it's Noelle with her whole bullshit about wanting to use other people to get stronger.
Now that the release madness has passed, how are you feeling about the flowers?I'm coming out of this a little more hopeful since things like Orange not even looking like a human should be enough of a way to telegraph fans these aren't supposed to be THE humans.
>>4013142it's too late, people are already drawing them as how the UT humans looked like and this will be the new "canon" from now onshame cuz now integrity will always be associated with blue instead of just a regular girlUTY will only get away with it due to it already branching off and becoming its own thing
>>4013142I liked all of themOf course maybe that's not the answer you want I had entirely jettisoned any idea that they would concrete and explicit iterations of the humans from Undertale and I never had this expectation to begin with.
>>4013145If I had to pick a favorite though, it'd be Yellow, he's funny and makes me smile.
>>4013144>>4013145there are two kinds of anon
>>4013142They divide into three tiers in my book>Flowery: Flowery, >Like: Orange, Seth, and Aqua>Exists: Yellow and Green.>Dislike: Blue This scales with how much they play with their associated traits, i.e determination, courage, perseverance, patience, justice, kindness, and integrity. The first four are all fun. Yellow and Green felt like Toby struggled to top or even match Mettaton and Undyne's respective self serving justice and cruelty to be kind.Blue is ugly and is also just kind of there so he barely falls into the bottom tier, just slightly below Green.But they don't really affect how I view the UT humans.
>>4013148Those with Mushroom Yogurt and Those without
>>4002435/vg/ would be fine if mods werent so antsy about banishing threads to there but theyre clearly selective and bias out threads about games they dont like, /v/ has a lot of chud mods so its not shocking one of them would go on a crusade against Deltarune one of the gayest games ever made.If a game needs a /vg/ thread itll pop up on its own, /vg/ is actually better if your game needs to have a consistent 24/7 thread up but most games that get banished to /vg/ dont beget enough discussion to support that so they'll die or just get bumped by bots/schizos on /vg/. Its weird because it almost feels like they realized their mistake because they dont ban retro games to /vr/ and they dont ban RPGs to /vrpg/. They dont ban VNs to /jp/. But talk about a game the mods dont like too much? To /vg/ your thread goes to die, sorry!
>>4013193To support this all of the most active threads on /vg/ are for either live service games or eSports games, those are the kind of games that should be there. Games with constant new content to talk about. Not Deltarune, its just because they dislike the community existing on /v/ in any way.
>>4013142I thought some of them had fun moments, but their theming as a group was really weak. Their designs were disjointed other than their color theming, Orange and Blue don't resemble anything that Asgore likes, and their connection to their traits was inconsistent from flower to flower. And why were they "humans" other than to connect to Undertale? They could have been really interesting, but I think they are wasted potential.
>>4013199maybe if they were actual flowers, why them being human is so important?as usual tobias didn't explain it
>>4013199>>4013204My take is that since Kris made the fountain, some of their mental hangups got mixed in - it would explain why Aqua is basically "Kris as a kid", it's not JUST Asgore's perception and memories of those times but Kris ALSO subconsciously assigning the Cyan flower as their flower type i.e Kris may be a Patience Soul Human originally, which considering we are WAITING for Deltarune to show up would be themeaticIt's honestly interesting seeing the Flowers as Kris/Asgore mentality hybrids since they may have both watched the same shows at some point: Blue does the same spin as Kris in some acts, Yellow is based on the cowboy show and how both Asgore/Kris hate themselves... basicaly it's interpretation stuff
>>4013218Flowery is basically a weird fucked up Asriel Rudy hybrid, which is funny since neither Kris nor Asgore seems to particular like him.
>>4013199>>4013204Idk why you need every aspect of the game explained, the Dark World is a whimsical idea its just based on the imaginative feeling of being a kid and seeing shapes in the dark as living things. Seeing flowers as looking like people makes enough sense.Also why do they have to represent things Asgore likes? Theyre not beings of Asgore's creation or cognition, theyre actual living things he raised.
>>4013240Except the Dark World is based on the perception of the people in reality, and the vast majority of people in reality are monsters. The flowers specifically model themselves after humans, even though their knowledge of humanity is very limited. Whether the flowers are based off of Kris's or Asgore's imagination, it's unclear why the flowers are enamored with being human when most of the people whom Kris/Asgore love are monsters.And the flowers absolutely are based off of Asgore's tastes, partially because he gave those tastes to them and partially because they want to keep him happy in their world. Flowery modeled himself after Rudy because Asgore told the flowers about his favorite people, Yellow formed himself to mimic the cowboy movies Asgore liked, Seth is based on the stories he told them, and so on. Blue is based off of Asgore's reminiscing of how it feels to be loved, but he chooses to be a ballerina for some reason. And Orange is based off of Asgore's belief in doing what's best even if it hurts... and she's a mouse, for some reason. As far as we know, Asgore isn't even close to any mice in reality.
>>4013151I don't think any of them reached favorite tier to me, but I enjoyed my time with almost all.>best: aqua, seth and green>good: flowery, orange, yellow and pink>you've got to be kidding me: blue>>4013191this better be an earthbound trout yogurt reference
>>4013262Pretty sure it's a line in the Mew Mew/Pink fight.
>>4013263I know it's from Pink. I meant that Toby wrote it as a reference to EB.
>>4013265It's a total coincidence that it's a pink character with a ghost in it :)
why doesn't anyone ever note the "steam whistle" in the roaring knight theme, I like how it creates the effect of this freight train barreling towards you
>>4013276People typical call what you're referring to, assuming we're thinking the same thing "roaring", but yeah it does sound like a train horn.
>>4013277yeah it's unmistakably based off a steam whistle, I don't know why they had to complicate it with "roaring"
>>4013278Well it's the roaring knight silly.
Wanted to get these two theories out cause I think there’s some interesting evidence pointed towards them. (Oh, and the second theory is a revision of my previous CarolKnight theory.)This was tossed around some of the /v/ threads but I think Alphys (and to an extent Sans) are ‘plants’ added to Hometown to make sure the experiment goes as intended. I’ll have to disagree with the idea that Alphys is the knight (don’t think that was meant to be serious anyway) but she’s possibly interfering with the dark worlds in some way. More specifically I think she’s adding schizobosses to each chapter to ensure that someone holds a shadow crystal.She gifts Asgore the Mew Mew doll in chapter 5, and may have had something to do with making Spamton NEO’s body (can’t find a specific line of dialogue for this though). Not to mention how she’s apparently from out of town, which should be immediately suspicious for any character.
>>4013291>may have had something to do with making Spamton NEO’s body (can’t find a specific line of dialogue for this though)The Spamton NEO body references Mettaton (Mettaton NEO specifically), and that body was created by Alphys. Swatch says the body was an MS Paint drawing by a Lightner. People assumed it was Hapstablook/the ghost inside Mettaton that drew the body, but hell it could've been Alphys.
>>4013291(Part 2) It’s likely to say at this point that most evidence points towards Dess being the knight (which again, undoes my earlier CarolKnight theory).Not even a “knight is Kris and Noelle fused from the weird route”. At this point, the most obvious theory seems to be the likely one.From the chapter 3 fight, the knight does similar poses to Kris, it summons an object that looks like a bat before it turns into a sword, and it even turns into something resembling a baseball. Now it’s a bit strange that Kris and the knight make similar poses, but it could just be Kris and Dess having some kind of bond that has yet to be fully explored.But what actually convinced me of DessKnight was realizing that Toby could’ve simply been basing Dess off of Claus from MOTHER 3 and we all know how Toby likes to borrow ideas from JRPGS.
>>4013293>but hell it could've been Alphys.But there's no reason for her to make an idealized robot body? There's also the fact that the data for it was so old, that it might have predated Alphys even moving to Hometown in the first place.
>>4013295You're right, I guess Alphys doesn't make sense then. I forgot some details.
>>4013301I think Sans being some sort of Gaster plant is probably right on the money. If Kris thinks about Sans while Noelle and Susie are on the ferries wheel he seems to indicate that someone he can't remember ran the ferries wheel last year Simailry Susie notes that Sans' house is new even by her standards, but she can't remember what was there before he moved in.So Susie's been in Hometown for over a year and he probably replaced the Forgotten Man. That's very suspicious.There actually is something odd about Alphys as well, if she scares Noelle during the festival Noelle they have this interaction:Boo.* WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE!?* S-Sorry Noelle, I... it's my first time working here, and...* G-Gosh, no, I... I'm sorry! I was just... surprised you showed up!* E-even though I... was just so sure I knew everything here.* B-but, now that I'm over it, I've got so much a-adrenaline!* Th-thanks!It feels very weird route-esq. Although I think it's supposed to subtly hint towards Noelle's whole mental illness thing with her disproportionate reaction, and give weird route vibes.
>>4013291My personal crack theory is that Dess ascended up to the Device layer or whatever alongside Gaster, Deltarune is essentially a game they're both DMing for. Both can only interact with the world in a limited capacity through Pawns. Gaster through his followers, Dess through the Knight and ERAM.
new schizo theory: dess isn't real, she and noelle were the same person
>>4013676Given asriel had unsent love letters that makes things very weird
>>4013142I quite like Flowery and Aqua. The rest didn't have memorable moments beyond their debut scenes and thus aren't particularly interesting. Generally agree with >>4013199.>>4013294>but it could just be Kris and Dess having some kind of bond that has yet to be fully exploredThis is how I interpreted it. Kris looked up to Dess like a big sister
I think especially after all the chapter 5 weird route shit and the increasingly sexual themes people need to actually be openminded about Dess possibly grooming Kris
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>>4013502>Dess through the Knight and ERAM.ERAM is interested in WR (emails...)why would Dess want her sister to ascent to something that barely counts as existence? Reminder that DEVICE is still not HEAVEN (i.e. Our World), just another prison with the caveat being that its inmates know about other layers
>watching deltarune theory videos like I did after 3+4>getting pissed off because people get the most basic stuff wrong and build their own theories on thatlike people only now going "oh I believe there might be a third route!" my brother in christ, gerson LITERALLY tells you there is a path in between and neither normal and weird routes are the true ending in chapter fucking 4, you didn't come to that conclusion yourself, you just failed to read the fucking game.same with so many people thinking kris and noelle died during the lake skip, or letting mewmew off easy because "muh themes of kris and soul!" I don't give a shit, it still doesn't fit alongside the past bossesI will just stop watching DR related videos from now on, this is getting too stupid
>>4014220I mean Deltarune is made by Royal Sciences INC. while in reality Gaster isn't real I imagine in the fiction of the UTDR world he essentially is supposed to be a real person. Either way I imagine it's a "sacrifice for an increase in agency" sort of situation, with Kris being on the chopping block.Besides that The WR chapter 5 scene starts out with Noelle going:>When Dess disappeared So I sort of assumed WR Noelle is supposed to parallel Dess, although not in the specifics of either of their situation
>>4013142I honestly loved those little weirdos outside of Blue and Yellow. I didn't really dislike them but it felt like the fun stuff kind of got pushed aside for Toby to wedge in another cutesy gay rep and it left them feeling a bit artificial.
I feel like everyone misinterpreting Seam's talk about Shadow Crystals. "Lost Dreams" is WHAT Shadow Crystals are. It have nothing to do with what you see when looking through them.
https://x.com/Legeend28/status/2075108522702905464new update added new FRIEND related dialoguewhat did tobias mean by this
>>4014585>FRIENDOther than FRIEND hunting the eggs, this doesn't really tell us much new. We already see the hunting pack and it's master ERAM in chapter 3, and the thing about people having to change their identity is just more Spamton Dess Knight stuff for people who believe in that theory. Although there's a bit of forgotten man in it too, maybe the reason he was forgotten is because the FRIENDS kept hunting him?Anyways it would've been nice to see this at launch.
>>4014660It mainly exist to fix the misinformation the Mike battle caused (everyone thought Friend does not exist after Mike), and fandom's stupidity (they've seen multiple FRIENDS in Eram battle and STILL tried to push for "1 FRIEND" narrative).- Friend is real, and not just Everyman-style easter egg- Friend is danger- There are multiple Friends- Friend is not a mastermind, Friend operates on instincts
Posting the Undertale MewMew gimmick here since it will probably become a relevant detail.
I did not care for Green. The bit of "really chill side character who everyone likes by default" was done better with Nubert, ironically because Nubert didn't actually do anything, thus making the random popularity funnier.
Considering the eggs fuck up achievements and Gaster comments on it, maybe the FRIENDs are his?
Snowgrave tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i059AJdLng4it may be hacking, but it's interesting that 3 of the Flowers can actually DIE to Snowgrave - the game might crash, sure, but they take fatal damage
>>4015495Goes with my theory that weird route will let you loop the timeline to bring Noelle along early
>>4015495I don't think there's much significance to this; who died, crashed, or just acted like they were hit seemed based on if they already had on hit / on defeat triggers rather than anything deliberate.
>>4014585fucking hilarious that all the braindead zoomers on twitter started obsessing over protein because of this dialogue.
>>4015596Imagine if a character started quoting crime statistics
>>4013142I want to bust a fat fucking nut inside Green so hard that she starts swearing
>Janny, YOU actually got paid!
>>4015985>https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/573759192/#q573764106>https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/573759192/#q573764106 Is this a global mod who's so fucking tilted that he's handing out deletions and bans across multiple boards?
>>4015992>Fucked up my post TWICEYeah fuck it I'm going to bed, I have no idea why deleting your own posts takes a fucking eternityhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/573759192/#q573764229Other post I was trying to link
Is it just me or the animosity in the /v/ threads is stronger than a year ago during the previous release?Is opinion on 5 ever going to change around there?
>>4015996Like another anon in those threads had said, Toby might’ve made a mistake with that patch because now loreschizos have gotten even more psychotic
>>4015996I wouldn't say it's getting stronger, I'd say it's getting more desperate.
Something doesn't line up. We know for a fact that Undyne visited Bunker multiple times, and yet she acts like she's unaware of the Dark Worlds? We know that Carol also had the code.Maybe ch3 fountain not being closed on-screen is a foreshadowing about SOUL closing even more fountains offscreen, Bunker fountain being one of them.
I'm done.I just wanted to discuss the fucking game in a place that wasn't completely insane or obnoxious.
>>4016131very few people know about this place so maybe it will be quieter here
>>4016131i hate the janitors so fucking much, but generals just turn into discords with a captcha. might just touch fucking grass at this point.
>>4016077>We know for a fact that Undyne visited Bunker multiple timeswe do?
>>4016150>But, I will say, I've only ever seen a couple people head over there.>... Undyne... and the mayor.https://youtu.be/eA-RBpfcGgQ?t=790
It's honestly a little weird to think that the janny's complete and total meltdown started with them hooking up a pedophile from /vg/ with what they thought was an underage boy (he wasn't).Like yeah there's other problems with /v/ and 4chan as a whole that's killing it, but the fact that's one of the major ones vexes me.
