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Reposting the Luzma whilk image for any who missed it last thread: https://files.catbox.moe/8sr3rl.png
Comments, feedback, and criticism are still appreciated.

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Zenith Martlet moments before unbirthing
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>>4003780
Some suggestions after seeing the image again
This might be a matter of preference or your personal style, but I think you should try drawing her eyebrow as a single black line, I feel like making it a hollow shape like that makes it standout less when put against the rest of her blue body
Make her pupil bigger as well, right now it looks pretty small, you could give her bigger eyelashes too, they are very prominent on her face sprite
Besides that I still think the image is good

>>4003784
>This might be a matter of preference or your personal style, but I think you should try drawing her eyebrow as a single black line, I feel like making it a hollow shape like that makes it standout less when put against the rest of her blue body
That can actually be attributed to a misinterpretation of her sprites on my part. I always thought her eyebrow was much thicker than it actually was, due to the space it forms with the top of her eye itself, so I saw that as her having a large blue eyebrow. In my previous images of her, I had her eyebrow as being the darker blue color in her color palette, but I decided against it this time around.
In my older drawings of her, I had her eyebrow as the darker blue that's part of her color palette, but I decided to be more accurate to her sprite this time around.
For her eyebrow in particular, anyway.
>Make her pupil bigger as well, right now it looks pretty small
That was mostly to convey a certain tone with her expression.
>you could give her bigger eyelashes too, they are very prominent on her face sprite
Yeah, fair point.
I will see about factoring in this feedback to my current image of her, though some of it may not be necessarily applicable depending on what expression I go with.

>>4003782
Still waiting for part 2 of this.

>>4003779
Stay here in your containment shithole.
Stay the fuck away from /v/ with your spam "raid" general threads.

>>4003786
Brain slipped up there, said something twice.
Basically, about the eyebrow thing, that was me attempting to be "more accurate" to something that wasn't actually there at all.
Pattern recognition, failing.

>>4003790
It's a date.

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>>4003786
>That can actually be attributed to a misinterpretation of her sprites on my part. I always thought her eyebrow was much thicker than it actually was, due to the space it forms with the top of her eye itself,
Are you talking about the overworld sprite? I can see how you could mistake it like that after seeing her default expression.
>In my older drawings of her, I had her eyebrow as the darker blue that's part of her color palette, but I decided to be more accurate to her sprite this time around.
I see, I think those type of eye brows work well in some characters like Ceroba, but for a cyclops like Luzma a black line works better.
>That was mostly to convey a certain tone with her expression.
I get that, but the current size looks closer to something like a shocked expression and less a casual one, her pupil is big most of the time.
>I will see about factoring in this feedback to my current image of her, though some of it may not be necessarily applicable depending on what expression I go with.
Alright good to hear, in any case, this could just be a matter of taste on my part, you could ask other anons about it, or If you don't mind I could make a shitty edit of your drawing with some of these changes to give you an idea on how they could look, even if I don't like editing other people's art.

>>4003797
>Are you talking about the overworld sprite? I can see how you could mistake it like that after seeing her default expression.
Yeah, the default expression threw me off.
>I see, I think those type of eye brows work well in some characters like Ceroba, but for a cyclops like Luzma a black line works better.
Perhaps. I will test it later when I get around to sketching her expression in my current project.
>I get that, but the current size looks closer to something like a shocked expression and less a casual one, her pupil is big most of the time.
I don't see it as such, but I imagine the difference is in how we view her.
I'm not the one who designed her, so I'm not as accustomed to seeing her in a particular way.
>Alright good to hear, in any case, this could just be a matter of taste on my part, you could ask other anons about it
I think it has its merit, but yes, I will see what anyone else has to say about it, if anyone else does indeed have anything to say.
It did only get three replies last thread, so it's hardly the most popular thing in the world.
>If you don't mind I could make a shitty edit of your drawing with some of these changes to give you an idea on how they could look, even if I don't like editing other people's art.
I would prefer that you did not.

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>>4003802
>Yeah, the default expression threw me off.
It does have the eyebrow too close to her eye..
>I don't see it as such, but I imagine the difference is in how we view her.
"Shocked" was an exaggeration, but I do think it looks small, maybe I'm just being nitpicky.
>I'm not the one who designed her, so I'm not as accustomed to seeing her in a particular way.
It could be that too, which is why I wanted to read other anons opinions.
>I would prefer that you did not.
Alright, that's perfectly understandable.

>>>/v/741111001
Very belated, but I wanted to respond the Oyajin green. My overall impression was positive, but I preoccupy myself with the negative, so here's my list of criticism. I apologize if any of this comes off as overly controlling or demanding.

>"The old anxiety"
This is small, but I don't think this needs to be stated. You can emphasize the idea in the line immediately afterward, with Chujin perpetually expecting the other shoe to drop. It communicates the idea much less explicitly.

>"The surface was here"
Opportunity for something more, since you could reference the Steamworks slogan of "The Surface is Tomorrow" here. Maybe something like "The Surface is today, and it was yesterday, and it will be tomorrow, but it is the 'tomorrow' that never quite clicks with him."

>"Ceroba had her worries of course, but she wouldn’t begrudge him"
Could do with a brief aside on how Ceroba counters his worst impulses, which in turn hints at her own development for not blinding herself to Chujin's undesirable traits. She'd have to be VERY on-edge if Chujin started the same self-destructive spiral that blew up their family. Would also make Chujin feel more rounded as a character, in that he sees his issues but still falls prey to them on occasion, and needs others to balance him.

>"His very own grave"
I think this picture needs its own section, even if it's brief. It's only one step removed from having a picture of your own dead body on your desk, after all.

>"The first was the machine of his own creation, model 014- no, Axis."
I see what you're getting at here, but Chujin just calls Axis, "Axis" in-game AFAIK. Could tweak the sentence to emphasize the finality of this Axis. He isn't Axis 014, he's just Axis. Perhaps he could be improved. An Axis 015 might be better in every way, but such a thing will not be, because this Axis is alive, and he deserves to be THE Axis.

>>4003812
>"nor gleaming devilishly"
Another small thing, but you're describing the human generally, when it's only the eyes that would gleam. This created a funny image in my head of Clover gleaming like he's made of metal in the photo.

>"Cautious smile"
A broader topic, here. I read this, and I think, "why are you thinking about this tonight, in particular?" Whether Chujin is noticing it for the first time or it's the first time he's reflecting on it, I would expect it to come after some prompting. Maybe some kind of incident, though a particularly bad one is inconvenient, because then it raises the question about why there hasn't been an intervention with Clover. So, something smaller and more personal, that only Chujin would see. Perhaps he slipped up and said something nasty, or he was indulging his paranoia and saw something Clover didn't want anyone to see.

>"The slightest twitch on his face brought his attention to the front door."
If I'm not mistaken, this is Chujin's whiskers at work? I recall there was a discussion on the topic at some point. It's a bit unclear in this case, I would alter it to something like "The slightest change in the air's current brushes his whiskers and his eyes flick to the front door."

>"The front door creaked open"
Extreme nit-pick, but would Chujin's doors creak, with his skill in woodworking and as a handyman in general?

>"'She's dead.'"
Similar to the cautious smile thoughts above: What prompted this PTSD flashback? I know you might explore that later, in the continuation, but on the off chance that you didn't plan to, I would give the incident some background.

>>4003788
It will come out eventually along with some images of the og Martlet I'm sure.

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I might have gotten a clue about why this pairing is so popular. I get the feeling that Clover and Chara have had similar hands dealt to them in life, but came to different conclusions mentally. While Chara resorted to Power to cope with whatever horrific shit happened to them, Clover resorted to Idealism and disappeared into the role of "a hero". And I'm pretty sure that the both of them did want to kill themselves but give their deaths meaning through a dangerous, outright suicidal mission. And the meaning they did give their deaths are pretty fuckin' similar, actually. That said, I really think that Clover and Chara would absolutely not vibe with each other, not because one is "evil" and the other is "good", but because they are each other's funhouse mirror of their worst selves and would resent one another for that.

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>>4003816
We will have it soon.

>>4003821
toxic yxxi

>(You)r/frisk's soul has the ability to hype-moments-and-aura their way into a best ending (determination)
>Clover's soul has the ability to see flashbacks of ceroba's life (justice)
We can assume that the other soul traits have their own associated "meta-abilities". Discuss.

>>4003884
Perseverance has quick save-states Omega-Flowey style. This is my truth.

>>4003884
Patience has a Bethesda style waiting mchanic
Bravery has almost instant fast travel

>>4003884
i think this topic was brought up on /v/ a few years ago. someone suggested bravery could move during cutscenes

>>4003884
Erhmm, Achsuchually the red soul trait is Love

>>4003901
The red soul trait is Self
I won't elaborate on this

>>4003909
No

>>4003812
Thank you for giving it a read, and for the feedback anon!
>This is small, but I don't think this needs to be stated. You can emphasize the idea in the line immediately afterward
I thought the emphasis was for the better but, this, combined with the other anons suggestion for brevity, is something I'll give some thought as I look the story back over
>Opportunity for something more, since you could reference the Steamworks slogan of "The Surface is Tomorrow"
I can see what you mean, I was actually trying to reference "the surface is tomorrow here" but this time I was doing it with less emphasis, I've got an idea of how to re-approach it though now.
>Would also make Chujin feel more rounded as a character, in that he sees his issues but still falls prey to them on occasion, and needs others to balance him.
this is actually what I was trying to go for, with his late nights being him feeding the desire to push himself, but more reigned in than before. I wanted to feel like the "old worry" and this was like he was working a worrystone in his pocket, in place of driving himself to destruction.
but since I did more with Ceroba in the follow up, it might be good to work her more into this. Something to think about for sure.
>I think this picture needs its own section, even if it's brief. It's only one step removed from having a picture of your own dead body on your desk, after all.
this one was fully intentional though, I thought that for most people, having such a picture at your desk would be like you said, but chujin is "a rational mind" and so the reminder of his own death carries less weight itself to him than the picture of the family gathering. His death was secondary to what he would have missed because of it.
But that may be falling flat, I just think he might keep something that would be that grim and bothersome to others, because it's a reminder to himself in contrast to the family photo.

>>4003812
>I see what you're getting at here, but Chujin just calls Axis, "Axis" in-game AFAIK.
I'm pretty sure you're right. I was thinking that he may internally register that it's model 014, because of how Axis declares his model when he introduces himself, so maybe before Chujin thought of Axis as 014 despite what he calls him.
But I'll look over that line too because what I'm trying to get across isn't made clear in what I wrote, and it could be conveyed better for sure.
>>4003813
>This created a funny image in my head of Clover gleaming like he's made of metal in the photo.
yeah I can see what you mean there. I'll rework that one.
>A broader topic, here. I read this, and I think, "why are you thinking about this tonight, in particular?" Whether Chujin is noticing it for the first time or it's the first time he's reflecting on it, I would expect it to come after some prompting. Maybe some kind of incident, though a particularly bad one is inconvenient, because then it raises the question about why there hasn't been an intervention with Clover. So, something smaller and more personal
That's a good point. I feel like it's a bit of a follow up to some of the greens I wrote where Clover would sit in Chujins workshop when he himself couldn't sleep, but this story exists without that context for anyone that hasn't read them, and even then, have I really signaled that? I want to express that Chujin is over time recognizing more and more that he has some things to work through in regards to the humans, his feelings that are justified, and his feelings that are not, and is viewing Clover more and more as a person, instead of this strange ideal that lives in his house once every now and then, which is causing him to notice things he'd explained away in his head before.
the cautious smile thing is supposed to be him catching one of those moments and realizing it for what it is

>>4003813
>If I'm not mistaken, this is Chujin's whiskers at work?
yes
>It's a bit unclear in this case, I would alter it to something like
I think I took for granted how much it made sense in my head because of that conversation, and the sense I had in my head when writing of "how will Chujin spot him, Oh yeah obviously it's his whiskers!"
definitely something I'll give some thought.
>>"The front door creaked open"
>Extreme nit-pick, but would Chujin's doors creak, with his skill in woodworking and as a handyman in general?
FUCK, no it's not an extreme nit pick in my opinion. I had completely cut another scene about the floorboards creaking at one point because I had the same thought "Chujin is a good craftsman," but this one slipped past me.
>Similar to the cautious smile thoughts above: What prompted this PTSD flashback?
I go with the idea that the neutral routes flowey dragged him through left a mark somewhere deep in his mind that shows itself in the lack of peace and quiet Clover finds some nights. Martlet dying because of his choice to stay with her, Martlet blaming him with her last breath. Clovers subconscious somehow piecing together that if he did something different she wouldn't be dead, but not having the whole picture. It's something I'd want to explore more if this continued past this.


Sorry to hit you with walls of text in response to your feedback, I really appreciate the input.
I fully understand if you don't reply to this text explosion here, but I wanted to recognize the points you made.

By any chance, did you read the follow up that came after with the actual chase?

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>>4003821
>That said, I really think that Clover and Chara would absolutely not vibe with each other, not because one is "evil" and the other is "good", but because they are each other's funhouse mirror of their worst selves and would resent one another for that.
I feel that in a way this dichotomy contributes to make the pairing even more appealing to a lot of people, there is a reason why “opposites attract” is such a popular trope in media, personally I’m not surprised it became so popular.

>>4003937
>>4003821
it's only popular because a "full" game was made on it
same as UTY now being how 99% of people see the yellow soul as, the ones that finish first are the ones that set the standards
only way to fight it is making a better game, when even finishing it is already an ordeal

>>4003937
I probably wouldn't have as much problem with it if the r/y and rainbow versions of them weren't written so insufferably, but beyond that yeah I get the whole "opposites attract" but people take that too literally. Usually people have some common points or fond points with the people they really connect well with, but shippers instead read this as "people that stand for completely directly opposing things would wanna smash".

it's like pairing martlet and ceroba because "opposites attract" but we've seen if anything in game that their opposing point actually threatens to push them further apart in some way.

Also, I fucking despise the R/Y clover talk sprite.

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Working on the Librarby update finally. If you wrote a green, or know of a green that was only posted in one of the more stealthy threads, it would be much appreciated if you could either give me key words or link me to it. I've got archive links to some of the recent threads but not all of them.

>>4003939
I get you completely, I just don’t want people to be dissuaded from writing interactions between this two since I feel there is still a lot of potential for creative writing with the idea, we should try to separate the interactions and the ship from R&Y when discussing it in a vacuum.
>Also, I fucking despise the R/Y clover talk sprite.
While I don’t share the draconic rage you feel for it, i fully agree that stoic Clover is best Clover and anything else is inferior.

>>4003958
>I get you completely, I just don’t want people to be dissuaded from writing interactions between this two since I feel there is still a lot of potential for creative writing with the idea
there probably is. I'm not personally interested in it, and I'm pretty sure most of the people that bother shipping Clover around here go for Kanaclover, but I wont kick and scream if someone wants to try writing that ship, though I have little faith in it from all of what I have seen out there.
If someone feels moved by it, then by all means write, though you may not have as much of an audience here (and really, that's fine. sometimes you write things regardless of how many people might read it.)
>While I don’t share the draconic rage you feel for it, i fully agree that stoic Clover is best Clover and anything else is inferior.
I'm not even against him showing emotion, but the few times he actually shows emotion in yellow, it's special, meaningful. His fury when he sees asgore, his despair when going through the meta flowey experience, or even just that little smile he does when he fist bumps Martlet.
the r/y version of him is just wacky and silly in the worst of ways, just to make him a goofball to bounce off charas dour tone. That's really the biggest issue with most of the cocoapowder out there. No one is interested in writing the actual tension that would be between two such people, they create a clover from the ground up that can act as a foil to this fan version of Chara.

>>4003963
Yeah what I meant by “stoic” Clover is showing emotion when it matters, being all hyper expressive all the time is just not Clover and a lot of people don’t get that.

>>4003966
yeah then that's completely fair. I guess when you have people not getting the characterization of characters that are much more open with their personality on screen, you're bound to have people not catching the subtle aspects of someone like clover. Yeah he's up to interpretation to a great extent, but there's also a lot of clear information to go off of.

>>4003821
>I really think that Clover and Chara would absolutely not vibe with each other, not because one is "evil" and the other is "good", but because they are each other's funhouse mirror of their worst selves and would resent one another for that.
the problem is that the little we have of the two of them are completely contradictory to each other, and not in an "opposites attract" way
>clover sacrifices himself for the sake of others, chara sacrifices herself for a personal agenda
>clover ran from the surface to save humans, chara because she hated them.
>chara belives in the rule of power, clover in the rule of justice
just these alone, those two would be trying to kill each other by the end of the day if you left them in a room alone.
the only way cloverXchara works is if you make completely new characters and ignore the existing plot points.

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found some nice pictures going back through some old threads.
Also noticed that Sig had the idea of Ceroba seeing mooch fuck starlo stuck in his head for at least 2 years before he acted on it.
Absolute madlad.

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>>4003974
What if Ceroba found out that her daughter fucked her best friend?

>>4003979
not much a fan of this if I'm being honest.

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Momroba
https://files.catbox.moe/5iafvn.png

>>4003983
Well at least it's not the birthing image

>>4003947
do you have the Kanako and Berdly greens?

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/666177429/#q666204279

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/666177429/#q666206640

>>4003979
this would happen
https://files.catbox.moe/r4za7d.jpg

>>4003985
Thanks anon, I was actually missing half of that it looks like

>>4003988
it's a personal favorite of mine

>>4003989
It's a good one, classic if anything.
>total fucking ningen oblitera- Oh... uh, hey Cl-Clover

>>4003984
Still bad though.

>>4003974
Link to the thread where he mentioned that?

>>4003833
More Martlet greatness featured in new future drawings. Looking forward to it.

>>4003996
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/667301882/#q667315380
there's a chance it was someone else posting his art, since I don't know if that's the first time that mooch art was posted, but a few posts later I'm pretty sure he was in the thread.

>>4003983
This one is top 2 worst catbox roulettes

>>4003998
That was someone else, Sig always posts his nsfw art through catbox

>>4003999
Which is the worst?
https://files.catbox.moe/gj2imr.png
https://files.catbox.moe/n0efj5.png
https://files.catbox.moe/fdscfl.png

>>4004002
ah, maybe so. I just have noticed a pattern in the early threads that a lot of the NSFW was just posted in the threads openly.

Either way the idea reminds me a lot of that recent starmooch thing he did.

>>4004003
>https://files.catbox.moe/n0efj5.png
This one and its not even close, the others are bad too, but this is one is just on a different level altogether, the other two at least aren't explicit

>>4003998
Hmm... Seems to me that it is a coincidence and that's some random anon, but perhaps it inspired Sig

Also some greens:
Gizmo and sadie arcade
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/690000098/#q690131489

Roba mew mew arcade
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/718951449/#q718975767

Gizmo harem chapter 3
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3989371/#q3993154

>>4003998
Wow, reading past threads would make you think that Starmooch and Mooch in general would be really popular, but it just seems like it was a couple of people (including Sig although idk if he was posting there) who were really just into those things and pushing too much of the cuck shit

Also, those Starlo fat fetish images in that same thread are killing me, and I’m pretty sure it’s by the same person who made the yellow giant green

>>4004010
yeah there were some people with unique attractions to starlo. I think a couple of them still hang around but I don't know if it was THAT Anon or not.

Also the cuck thing, it felt like there was a shitposting war going on in a silly way, and I think a lot of posts were disingenuous. When you read 5 threads from the same time period back to back, you start to notice these little patterns.
>>4004009
>but perhaps it inspired Sig
maybe it's just that, it just was funny to me that the idea was from all the way back then possibly.
>also some greens
thanks anon, working on converting them now.

>>4004009
Also, it looks like I already have that Gizmo harem one, but it being named "chapter 3" means I missed chapter 1 and 2. I'll keep an eye out for that.

>>4003947
Very glad to see the Anon Chigurh one I wrote put in with the other Luzma nightmare greens.
Nice for things to have a happy ending.

>>4004003
Just from the replies alone I know what the second one is without even looking, and that one is the worst by a large mile.

>>4004013
Oh, I just named it that way because its probably supposed to be happening in chapter 3.

By the way dk you have "Flash Gorgon" and Gizmo comic hero greens?

Gizmo and Sadie observing Cole's fluff addiction
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/690886565/#q690919531

>>4004015
I try to spot when it looks like the greens are a "collaborative effort" between anons, so I'm sorry about the awkward formatting but it's there!

>>4004019
No yeah, it makes sense where it is, it's too short for it to be its own thing anyway.
Besides, I think it's a satisfying way to cap things off, everyone's happy.

Momroba that doesn't make you want to gouge your eyes out.
https://files.catbox.moe/3y4vjh.png

I'm going to fix up something to eat, and then if no one has already gotten around to it, thread unless someone wants to beat me to the punch.

>>4004018
>Gizmo and Sadie observing Cole's fluff addiction
>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/690886565/#q690919531
just added this
>By the way dk you have "Flash Gorgon" and Gizmo comic hero greens?
I have the Flash gorgon one that I wrote, but if there are more than just that one then I don't have those.

>>4004022
>thread unless someone wants to beat me to the punch.
I can do it this time, if that's alright.
Probably won't participate too much this time around, so I'll throw myself on the pyre.

Anyone have a good topic/header?

>>4004023
>Anyone have a good topic/header?
Maybe something about recycling incomplete/failied ideas and using them for fangames? That whole Shuzen conversation had some interesting ideas about giving OCs new life

>>4004025
Hm, I might be able to work with that.
Could still use a good image, but I'll see what I can do.
Give me a bit.

>>4004021
This is fine to look at. Nothing majorly cursed here.

It'll be up in around three minutes or so.

>>4004023
Thanks for that Anon, didn't want too much of the day to pass by and all that.

Thread's up.
You'll know it when you see it.
Now go.

>>4004022
Apparently what i thought was a full green instead was just a post and not really a green

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737720419/#q737782132

Still interesting though

>>4003780
you know, I didn't want to jinx you by saying this while you were working on the image, but your Luzma images always come out the fastest
As though she was your muse!

>>4004033
ahh I remember that conversation. That may have been what lead up to the green request happening.

>>4004034
That anon did say that she's easy to draw and that he felt hyper focused when he drew her for the first time, to the point anon barely used references to make that drawing

>>4004036
NTA, but it was actually the second drawing of her I said I didn't use references for.
Yes, you know the one.

>>4004038
nta but you did make mention of not needing a refrence if one wasn't available before starting this last one.
you've got a pushy fire lady for a muse.

>>4004039
Oh, right, that.
Yeah, that was just for her general body and face and whatnot, I still needed a clothing reference, the rest of her I've got just fine by now.
She's hot, what can I say?
One of my favorite female scrimblos to come out of these threads, probably tied with Wiki for me personally.

>>4004021
This is the best Momroba.
files.catbox.moe/sxsfzx.png

>>4004040
>She's hot, what can I say?
We will never getting tired of making that joke

>>4004044
Of course, but I do also find her legitimately to be a very sexy character design, even if the exact reasons why are completely alien to everyone else's reasons for finding her attractive, though I do also share those too.

>thread already dead
I thought the cocky cock would protect us...

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I asked it in the /v/ thread so i'll ask it here too. Would you play a fnaf-style UTDR fangame?

What do you think DRY chapter 3 will be like? Do you have any thoughts on how it would play out?

>week straight of bump limit DR threads
>can't just have a nice relaxing fangame thread
I have nothing against DR threads of course, but this is still upsetting in a unique way.
that we have people who just so genuinely hate video game discussion on the video game board, and actively work to make it a worse place.

>>4004059
I said I would give it a try, that synopsis involving kid Noelle seemed interesting, would the story also develop the same way fnaf 4 story did? With short "overworld" segments between each night?

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>>4004063
I don't know if that could work because realistically the Vessel would be the only threat that makes sense, unless we add FRIEND and like, Kris's rotting corpse. But overworld/day segments that show some of the lore does sound good.

This may come as a surprise to you, but I think there is a thread where someone wants to discuss video games.

>>4004059
No because I don't like horror games and I'd pee myself :( :( :(

>>4004059
It'd depend on the visual style and writing. If it had charming art and was funny, then yeah.

>>4004059
>>4004063
I missed the thread. QRD?

>>4004066
I can't find it, could you give a hint?

>>4004173
just a regular ol thread to talk about a beloved yeller.

>>4004173
axis

>>4004171
From the previous thread:
>My idea is that of a fnaf 4-like fangame where you play as Kid Noelle trying to survive against the Vessel's attempt to break into her room. I would make it set in an AU where the Vessel kidnapped and killed Kris and is now trying to do the same to Elly too.

>>4004181
Probably not then. I like Fnaf because of its interesting character designs, dark humor, mystery plot. That's just a featureless humanoid doing scares.

>>4003929
>with his late nights being him feeding the desire to push himself, but more reigned in than before.
Hm, I can the angle, but these two things together...
>but he had a better grip on himself now than then
>Ceroba had her worries of course, but she wouldn’t begrudge him... so long as he always remembered himself.
...really leave me with the impression of Chujin either being truly in control of himself, which feels a tad over-clean, or that he's deluded himself and falling into old habits, which feels tragic and believable--but is outside the scope of what the story's about.

>but chujin is "a rational mind" and so the reminder of his own death carries less weight itself to him
I can see that, and even agree, but I would almost approach from the opposite angle: it's not the macabre aspect that would bother him, but the picture's assault on his rationality. He dug his own grave with his rational plans and secret-keeping, and I see him as the kind of person who looks back on everything and genuinely can't see how it all went wrong. Everything follows from A to B to C so neatly in retrospect, and he should have reached Z. Oh yes, he should have, if only he had been more careful with the SOUL, if only he had been MORE rational, and refrained from self-experimentation, THEN everything would have went off without a hitch.

And he's telling Ceroba about this, completely missing the point, until she slaps him and then hugs him like he's about to disappear, and he realizes all over again that no, there was no victory on that path. He defeated himself with his own intellect. His own nature betrayed him and his family, and it's asking him to do it again. It knows all the right words to say, and he wants to feel the honey in his ears every time. And he hugs Ceroba back ferociously, like he's afraid of disappearing, too.

...But now half-writing fanfiction, in mid-reply.

>>4003930
>>4003931
>I want to express that Chujin is over time recognizing more and more that he has some things to work through
>the cautious smile thing is supposed to be him catching one of those moments and realizing it for what it is
I getcha. I don't even think that Chujin recognizing this is a problem generally, since one can easily infer that this is the arc he wants to go on purely by everyone being alive and living in the same house, on the surface. What I'm getting at is the particular thing he's catching onto, tonight of all nights: A cautious smile. He must have looked at this photo many, many times, but he only notices this particular detail /now./ Why? Maybe he said something unintentionally insensitive, and Clover smiles through it, hoping that a tirade doesn't come, but expecting it anyway. Maybe Chujin just gets frustrated over some soldering and lets that leak into his voice, and Clover flips the "I lived in a bad household" switch and tries too hard to soothe him, and Chujin's far enough along in his arc that he sees the smile for what it is, and applies it to the picture.

>Sorry to hit you with walls of text in response to your feedback, I really appreciate the input.
Thank you for reading my own walls of text, and no worries at all about the length of your own replies. Really, it makes me quite happy. I can and will shoot textwalls into the digital ether without expecting them to be read, but seeing that they actually were read, and that I might have actually helped someone, feels very nice.

>By any chance, did you read the follow up that came after with the actual chase?
Ah, I looked back and just saw it. Not sure if I somehow missed it or I just forgot to read the second half of the thread 'cause my weekends are so packed. I'll read it, and there may be more walls of text. Eventually. The last two weeks have been stupidly busy for me, but that should be slowing down now.

>>4004195
>...really leave me with the impression of Chujin either being truly in control of himself, which feels a tad over-clean, or that he's deluded himself and falling into old habits, which feels tragic and believable--but is outside the scope of what the story's about.
ahh I can see what you mean there. when I sit down to revise things I'll give it a proper reread and think about what's being said here.
>...But now half-writing fanfiction, in mid-reply.
I may borrow somewhat from the line of thought you used here if it doesn't offend.
I'm imagining now that looking at the photo reminds him of that conversation with Ceroba, and not that the conversation is happening right then.
Maybe the photo reminds him of that conversation now, of how quickly he went in that direction again once.
I'm not sure, but I'm gonna give that scene a lot of thought.
>He must have looked at this photo many, many times, but he only notices this particular detail /now./ Why?
Ok that's a fair question. I'm not sure how to address it without starting the story earlier in that day, or flashbacking to earlier in the day.
I wrote a story before about Chujin tucking the kid in not too long ago, so maybe there's some way to work with it without doing a full multiple paragraphs of what happened, and kind of being brief about it? I know I keep saying "I'm going to think on it." but I'm running it through my head and considering it because it makes sense. In my head I know why chujin is thinking this now but it's not really on the page is it?
>Thank you for reading my own walls of text
the feedback is really sincerely appreciated. It's nice seeing that people like something you write, but it means a lot to me when someone takes the time to tell me where I might consider improving.
>I'll read it, and there may be more walls of text. Eventually. The last two weeks have been stupidly busy for me
there's never any rush, but as before, I really appreciate the feedback any time.

>>4003779

! ATTENTION REQUIRED !

>>4004224
We (speaking both for all of /vrpg/ and using the royal we) would greatly appreciate if you 'girls' could stop doing this
>bumpspamming every thread to bump our /vrpg-eneral/Undertake thread away.

There are hundreds of braindead posts because of you in various threads, and you didn't even delete them until later.

>>4004225
I have no control over a shitposter who hates our threads. Stop trying to stir up drama over a dickhead who hates video game discussion and seems to shitpost in other threads as well.

>>4004225
It isn't the first time someone tried to slide this thread off the board, doubt anyone else cares about the rest of the threads here and you are overreacting

>>4004225
We're not doing that. That's just some shitter trying to slide the thread. Report him.

If it is that guy from the other thread, we told him not to do that. So if he didn't listen, we can't really do anything about that.

good thread everyone. It probably wasn't good to indulge in the shitposter that much, but the first 500 posts were very yeller.

Goodnight.

>>4004273
sorry, its just funny to make him cry sometimes.

Well, that was a thread.
Really though, is "frustrating" Martlet by doing all that with her feathers *really* all that different from edging her?
I think it's pretty close.

>>4004275
it's adjacent at least, though I don't think I have the will to take it to certain extremes, nor to stay awake any longer thinking about the wonders of feathers, much as I'd like to.
>>4004274
I get it, and the more it goes on the more I think it's genuine insecurity rather than an act.
been a while since a thread hit 600 posts like that I think.

>>4004278
>it's adjacent at least, though I don't think I have the will to take it to certain extremes, nor to stay awake any longer thinking about the wonders of feathers, much as I'd like to.
Hm, fair enough.
I do think the idea of edging Martlet crazy with one of her own feathers is still fun though.
Pleasant dreams, anon.

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I took a second to make this for basically no reason, so here's this.
Yes I'll do the other one too, later.

And Oldentale anon, before you say anything, yes, I did use my psychic future-seeing powers to find out that exactly this happens in your game somehow don't worry about it.

Oh, librarby anon, there seems to be an issue, the link "Ceroba, Sending Clover and Martlet over the edge" leads to a 404 error, at least for me.

I'm trying to focus, but for some reason I can't help but think about carrying Reynault to bed in my arms.
Not even for sexy stuff, just the idea of carefully, gently picking him up, so I can bring him to bed as he's too sleepy to do it himself, putting him under the covers, kissing him on the cheek as I get in bed myself, and falling asleep with him in my arms as he clings to me...
God I need some fucking sleep.

>>4004303
Huh, it should be the right link.
Ill get it fixed when I get to my computer
>>4004290
Oh that silly wiki and her war crimes

>>4004290
m-millennial wiki,.,,,,...,

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>>4003780
Here are the edits based on my suggestions for the whilk drawing. The last sketch you posted for your next drawing was practically what I had in mind already, so there's nothing much left for me to add here besides the pupil shape, I did a second edit with her eyelid being all black, which is closer to her overworld sprites, that was something I did when I drew her because of the limited size, I didn't think much of it back then, I actually don't know if her eyelids should be black or blue, go with whatever you prefer.
Also another edit with an altered eyebrow expression because I wasn't sure which portrait you used as a reference for this drawing.

>>4004427
alright i fixed it, link was messed up. Thanks for calling it out to me

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Momroba

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Anyone here played the demo for SwApFell I Hate You?

>>4004467
my tolerance for AU crap ends at one modifier.

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does anyone have any resources or tips for making speech bleeps?

>>4004467
Sounds delightfully edgy. Reminds me that I need to download that lost deltarune thing

>>4004471
I would recommend you try synth noises and instruments. Most people will recommend using actual voice samples, but that Undertale only really did that for a couple characters. The rest were instrument sounds cut down and edited. When you make them all voice clips, they end up sounding harsh on the ears. Also, if you do use human voices, remember to bitcrush them. It takes them bass out and makes them less unpleasant when spammed a million times a second.

>>4004475
where would you recommend i get those? i have no music experience

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>>4004470
>>4004472
Pinky promise it's not just "Undertale but the characters are swapped and then it's turned evil." The bullet patterns are rather uncreative and gameplay feels a bit unpolished but that's to be expected for a demo and the music is really good. The whole soundtrack is made by one of the directors for that one Undertale Halloween Hack soundcloud which was posted a few threads back.

>>4004481
Could just rip some old vidya music, shove it in audacity, sample a few sections, and cut them down and edit them until they fit.

>>4004483
I'll at least add it to my list to check out. I'm wonderfully terrible about time management and want to get around to lost deltarune and soulblazers first, but It looks like there may be some OFF inspiration there.

Is there a new thread I'm missing?

>>4004512
no I don't believe anyone has made one.

I went to sleep thinking about Reynault for the first time in several days and immediately had two really vivid, really unpleasant nightmares in the same night.
I would really like, just once, to be able to get a normal night's sleep while thinking about him.

>>4004520
Do you get nightmares when you think about Ceroba before sleeping?

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>>4004434
Alright, I see.
I think that second one there looks the best to me overall.
I actually did at one point consider making her eyelids black, but I ended up deciding against it.
The layer still exists in the image's .kra file, it's just not activated.
I think I prefer her having blue eyelids like that in general, but maybe I'll do something different at some point.
As for the facesprite I most directly used as reference, that would be [picrel], at least for her eye, because I liked the idea of her being really smug about [you] wanting to drink her whilk, and it is a very smug face. I didn't try and recreate the mouth she has in this sprite though, but that's because I wanted her to look like she's actively speaking, so I needed her mouth to be open.
Anyway, thanks, I'll make some further alterations to the current project based on this feedback, mostly for the pupil, since you said the sketch was mostly similar to what you had in mind anyway.

>>4004521
Not usually, no.
I only had one as far as I could recall, but that was shortly after the other dreams I had about her, and her "presence" in that nightmare amounted to me hearing a voice that I somehow recognized as hers calling for me to wake up, which ended the nightmare early.
So whatever this is, it might just be localized entirely around the idea of Reynault specifically, which is disconcerting.

someone wants to disscuss video games on the other board

>>4004467
That's a screenshot from End of Evangelion with the contrast cranked to 200%

Hey, I'm planning on going back and beating the Knight without the shadow mantle in my unpatched copy of DR before the new chapter comes out, can anyone tell me how to get any revivemints during chapter 3 and how best to deal with the Knight if that's okay?

>>4004528
Lol

>>4004531
CH1:
>one in card castle
>one in the dancer field
CH2:
>one in the viro shooter field
>one behind a painting in the mansion
>a revive dust during the acid tunnel of love (locked behind the werewire), this is the only revive dust in the game.
CH3:
>one from the gacha machine
>one for getting a A/B rank on the first board (not S rank! avoid getting extra keys and intentionally fumble some battles)
>one for the lancer dig puzzle
and CH4 as a bonus, better get these incase CH5 has something similar
>first sanctuary: the right path piano bookcase puzzle
>second sanctuary 1: donating 500-1999 D$ during the first sanctuary. NOTE: donating 2000 will give you a bitter tear, which is in practice a better revive mint.
>second sanctuary 2: for smashing the colored bookshelf during the piano push "puzzle"
>renewable: embezzle mizzles (low chance, not recommended)
>bitter tear 2: embezzle on miss mizzle.

>>4004536
Alright, thanks, this should help a bit.
Do I need to do all the mantle stuff to still get the shadow crystal for the chapter though, or can I skip that?
I think I might still do the mantle related stuff just to *get* the related stuff if I need to, even if I don't actually want to use it for the Knight.

>>4004537
shadow crystal is from the knight, so you can skip the mantle completely.

>>4004522
You're welcome, good to know that the edit was helpful.

>>4004538
Huh, I thought you only got the black shard from the Knight.
Alright, should be good to go up against them later then, thanks.
Only really need to go back for some revivemints and better items, I guess if I was better at dodging (or just kept at it hard enough) I could probably beat them with my last chapter 3 save, but going back's probably the better choice here.

>>4004540
i have beaten the knight without any revive mints three times while preping my saves.

>>4004541
Yeah, okay man, there are people who've beaten The Lingering Will without taking any damage before too, but that's not something I can pull off too reliably.
Fuckin', I'll see if I can make some good progress against the Knight in my last chapter 3 save with shitty healing items, if that'll satisfy you.

>>4004542
the big trick is to defend with kris and ralsei while shitting out rude busters with susie.

>>4004543
Yeah, I've heard that part, but when I last tried it I would always end up taking a bad hit and getting a party member downed, and once I started having to waste turns on reviving party members, that's when things became unsalvageable for me.
I guess that becomes less of an issue if I just dodge better, but that's still a tough thing to get past.

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Speaking of chapter 3 stuff.
I found this on tcrf and thought it was kind of funny.

>>4004548
That's not real
There's no way that's real.

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>>4004539
Yeah, I think it's helped a decent bit, I think this eye looks better now.
Might still need to work on her mouth though.
I studied that one sprite of her holding in her laugh, with the puffed up cheeks, and I tried making her mouth a bit smaller like the sprite has, which I think does actually look better, but it's still missing something to me.
I might actually try and implement the puffed up cheeks she has in that sprite, albeit a bit less extreme.
I've gotta say, studying her facesprites for these recent drawings, her face is really well designed in general, she's very nice to look at.
The sprites themselves convey emotion really well, but also, you know, she's just really cute in general.
That one sprite of her looking down makes me kinda feel bad though. Activating that weird feeling inside my rotten soul that makes me not want her to suffer, which in turn gives me that "I'm not supposed to feel this way" feeling.

>>4004550
You can look yourself, it's real and there's two variants.
I'd link it but I'm pretty sure tcrf prevents you from looking at it if it's been linked through 4chan.

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>>4004528
god damn it literally the first page of results on duckduckgo

>>4004552
>https://tcrf.net/Deltarune/Chapter_3/Unused_Graphics#Yogurt_Emergency
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
But, it's probably a coincidence.

>>4004551
>Yeah, I think it's helped a decent bit, I think this eye looks better now.
I do like how its looking.
>I studied that one sprite of her holding in her laugh, with the puffed up cheeks, and I tried making her mouth a bit smaller like the sprite has, which I think does actually look better, but it's still missing something to me.
It already looks pretty good, but yeah, the puffed cheeks woulds represent the emotion better, when I saw the sketch I thought maybe making her mouth wider would help, but looking at your pic, making it smaller was the right call.
>I've gotta say, studying her facesprites for these recent drawings, her face is really well designed in general, she's very nice to look at.
I do think she's my best looking character right now.
>The sprites themselves convey emotion really well, but also, you know, she's just really cute in general.
Since her eye and mouth are so big any face I give her ends up looking very expressive, you don't get that kind of freedom with most UT portraits due to the limited size you have to work with, the downside being that with one eye some expression are harder to represent, but it is worth it.
>spoiler
There might be more where that came from, or maybe she just had a dumb nightmare that day, who knows.
I guess you don't like seeing the characters you like suffering... at least in this less fun context.

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>>4004560
>Susie spilling yogurt on her controller

HOLY FUCK YOGURT INSIDE ME CONFIRMED

>>4004563
Susie confirmed for holding him.

>>4004562
>I do like how its looking.
Thanks, I have made a few more changes to it though, but nothing terribly drastic, and I think it looks better anyway.
>It already looks pretty good, but yeah, the puffed cheeks woulds represent the emotion better
Yeah, I think I'll test that out in a bit, really wanna make her look like she's on the very brink of busting out into hysterics.
Which might seem disproportionate given what's actually happening in the image, but I headcanon her as being extremely ticklish because I think it goes well with how much she laughs, so I like it.
>when I saw the sketch I thought maybe making her mouth wider would help, but looking at your pic, making it smaller was the right call.
That's the direction I was going with at first, but I think that sprite you made of her had the better idea.
>I do think she's my best looking character right now.
Your other designs aren't bad by any means, I don't think you have a single bad or even sub-par design right now, Luzma's just the hottest.
Every time I say that I just imagine her getting increasingly smug at me because of it.
>Since her eye and mouth are so big any face I give her ends up looking very expressive
That is fair.
>the downside being that with one eye some expression are harder to represent, but it is worth it.
That's also fair, though I have seen some decently expressive characters with one eye, or only eyes in general, though it is still very hard to manage.
>spoiler
Aw man.
>I guess you don't like seeing the characters you like suffering... at least in this less fun context.
Yeah, there's nuance to things.
I like seeing "suffering" in certain contexts, but it's usually not the characters actually feeling *bad*, just being put through an extreme stressor for sexual purposes.
Seeing Luzma seemingly feeling *bad* in that sprite doesn't feel the same to me as if I had her worn out from doing something with/to her, it's a difference in source feeling.

>>4004569
>Yeah, I think I'll test that out in a bit, really wanna make her look like she's on the very brink of busting out into hysterics.
If that's your goal then you're getting there.
>spoiler
Well, that headcanon makes sense, I won't deny it.
>Your other designs aren't bad by any means, I don't think you have a single bad or even sub-par design right now, Luzma's just the hottest.
I don't dislike any of my designs for the main cast either, but there are ones that I just like more than others.
>Every time I say that I just imagine her getting increasingly smug at me because of it.
I can see it too.
>>the downside being that with one eye some expression are harder to represent, but it is worth it.
>That's also fair, though I have seen some decently expressive characters with one eye, or only eyes in general, though it is still very hard to manage.
Oh no, they are very expressive, especially cyclops characters like Luzma, but some faces like a wink are impossible to represent unless you get really creative.
>Seeing Luzma seemingly feeling *bad* in that sprite doesn't feel the same to me as if I had her worn out from doing something with/to her, it's a difference in source feeling.
That's fair, there's an important difference between seeing a character being sad because of something they've lost and seeing them, in pain because of exhaustion, one is a temporary inconvenience, the other is something deeper.

>>4004574
>If that's your goal then you're getting there.
Thanks, I'm really trying to make sure her face looks good on this one.
>Well, that headcanon makes sense, I won't deny it.
Heh, nice. I'm not gonna say it should be canon or anything, I just think it's a cute/hot detail for someone who laughs so much to also be insanely sensitive like that, even if I am also just a freak.
>I don't dislike any of my designs for the main cast either, but there are ones that I just like more than others.
Fair enough, everyone has their favorites.
>I can see it too.
Well, at least her smugness is well earned.
Ordinarily I find a certain amount of smugness to be irritating, but with her, I think it's endearing.
>Oh no, they are very expressive, especially cyclops characters like Luzma, but some faces like a wink are impossible to represent unless you get really creative.
Yeah, I get that. Maybe you could do a good wink by having one side of her eye close more than the other, to sort of emulate closing one eye, but it'd be hard to convey in a still image.
>there's an important difference between seeing a character being sad because of something they've lost and seeing them, in pain because of exhaustion, one is a temporary inconvenience, the other is something deeper.
Well, I don't even really like pain usually, the stressors I'm into are different than that, either being worn out from the sensation of tickling, or being over/under-stimulated from edging or post-orgasm torture, stuff like that.
I'd want to see Luzma under any of those sorts of stressors, but pain I'm not really a fan of.
Unless she asked me to (lightly) spank her or something, that's about as much pain as I'm okay with inflicting, and I'm not even into that.

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At any rate, I just wanted to show you guys that funny thing I found on tcrf. I'll be back later to make funny sprites and shit for you, because I will now dip out of the internet entirely (not really) to avoid spoilers.

>>4004584
take care until the return.

>>4004064
glad to see my work still being spread around

>>4004584
If you make the sprites I think you make I'm glad you're leaving and I won't have to see that offtopic threadshitter character for a few days and your sprites are terrible.

>>4004603
NTA, but I'm pretty sure no one has brought up Yagi in this thread so far other than you just now.
For someone who hates him so much, you sure love talking about him.

>>4004604
I thought you were leaving.

don't know if you guys care about it, but a new toby post on twitter outright confirms that the 7 little flower niggas are actually going to be important
we might end up in a post 7-fallen-humans-headcanon world

>>4004605
So those three letters at the front just don't mean squat to you, huh?

>>4004606
does it? it just says he made a song for "7 suns" or something
I am more afraid of all the flowers being combined into a single character instead of them all being individuals

>>4004606
>we might end up in a post 7-fallen-humans-headcanon world
this doomposting is simply not as strong as the autism that fuels fanfiction. you know it, I know it, hell, toby knows it.
>>4004603
Anon don't be a drama brain.

>>4004607
Only one person likes that off topic shit.

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>>4004610
Sorry pal, 'fraid your aim's off.
And to be completely frank, I don't even care about Yagi myself, but faggots like you derailing threads by bitching about him is way worse than some people drawing a mimiga or whatever the fuck every so often.
Go take your meds, 'kay champ?

>>4004610
I think the little character is dumb and gets used to bait arguments sometimes, but the trick is, just ignore it and those arguments happen less and less. Being a shitbaby about it is just going to make things worse.

>>4004611
Oh sure you don't like that shit, none of the actually good artists like it, it's just you. Just leave

alright, disengage. This is just a hatebaby trying to stir up drama.

>>4004618
Yeah, just the same 'tard shitting his diaper.

Calling me a bad artist though, ouch.
Must've touched a nerve, maybe a mimiga killed that guy's parents when he was a kid.

>>4004583
>Heh, nice. I'm not gonna say it should be canon or anything, I just think it's a cute/hot detail for someone who laughs so much to also be insanely sensitive like that, even if I am also just a freak.
Maybe she's just laughing by how eager you're to make her laugh by tickling her, or just laughing at the entire scenario of being tied up only to be tickled.
>Ordinarily I find a certain amount of smugness to be irritating, but with her, I think it's endearing.
So she's an exception?
>Yeah, I get that. Maybe you could do a good wink by having one side of her eye close more than the other, to sort of emulate closing one eye, but it'd be hard to convey in a still image.
I wasn't planning on giving her a winking face, but I could try that as an animation.
>Well, I don't even really like pain usually, the stressors I'm into are different than that, either being worn out from the sensation of tickling, or being over/under-stimulated from edging or post-orgasm torture, stuff like that.
I guess "sore" would have been a better word to describe it instead of pain.
>Unless she asked me to (lightly) spank her or something, that's about as much pain as I'm okay with inflicting, and I'm not even into that.
Spank what? the tail? its not like she has a butt below her back

>>4004644
>Maybe she's just laughing by how eager you're to make her laugh by tickling her, or just laughing at the entire scenario of being tied up only to be tickled.
I'll make her laugh even harder if she's not careful...
>So she's an exception?
Hm, maybe. I do really like Ceroba's smug facesprite (not pictured, because I don't have it on me right now), but I think for Luzma as a character, I enjoy her smugness not only because she has a funny face when she's smug, but also because I feel like she at least earns the "right" to be smug about herself. She's strong, beautiful, capable, she has things worth being smug about.
Also the idea of her being very smug while teasing me with whatever part of her body she's decided to exploit my fetish for is hot to me.
Her smug aura does not mock me, it makes me horny.
>I wasn't planning on giving her a winking face, but I could try that as an animation.
Sounds interesting to see, would love to see how that goes if you do it.
>I guess "sore" would have been a better word to describe it instead of pain.
Hm, better, but I usually just go with "worn out" or "exhausted" myself.
>Spank what? the tail? its not like she has a butt below her back
Hm.
Yeah, I forgot that for a sec.
Well, I remember the idea of her still having an erogenous zone on her backside being talked about at one point, so, that I guess?
I dunno, I don't know too many pain-related fetishes, especially any that would work on her if she was into them.
I was gonna say "choking", but that's more about a specific nerve than it is about pain, and I'm also not really into that, and I wouldn't do it to her for fear of accidentally hurting her anyway.

>>4004645
>Hm, maybe. I do really like Ceroba's smug facesprite (not pictured, because I don't have it on me right now), but I think for Luzma as a character, I enjoy her smugness not only because she has a funny face when she's smug, but also because I feel like she at least earns the "right" to be smug about herself. She's strong, beautiful, capable, she has things worth being smug about.
Stop, you'll make her blush.
>Her smug aura does not mock me, it makes me horny.
I could tell.
>Sounds interesting to see, would love to see how that goes if you do it.
Maybe I'll do it next time I decide to procrastinate.
>Yeah, I forgot that for a sec.
I mean, no one who stop you from spanking it if you want, just don't expect it to have the intended effect.
>Well, I remember the idea of her still having an erogenous zone on her backside being talked about at one point, so, that I guess?
That could work too, there's always that sprite of Luzma with legs I did as well, even if I don't know when or how it would be implemented in the game.
>I dunno, I don't know too many pain-related fetishes, especially any that would work on her if she was into them.
I was about to bring up the "Cognitive Behavioral Therapy" but now that I think about it, that doesn't apply to women.

>>4004646
>Stop, you'll make her blush.
Would she really?
Cute.
I do like the idea of me saying these things to her so matter-of-factly that she gets caught off guard and blushes about it, that's nice.
>Maybe I'll do it next time I decide to procrastinate.
Wait, no, don't procrastinate more, that's bad.
>I mean, no one who stop you from spanking it if you want, just don't expect it to have the intended effect.
Well like I said, I'm not really into spanking.
Plus, if she doesn't have an ass, there's not much point either, don't get to feel her cheeks or anything.
>That could work too, there's always that sprite of Luzma with legs I did as well, even if I don't know when or how it would be implemented in the game.
Hm, so she could manifest a pair of legs, specifically so she can have an ass, so she could be spanked.
Awfully roundabout, but I can respect that.
>I was about to bring up the "Cognitive Behavioral Therapy" but now that I think about it, that doesn't apply to women.
Do I really have to explain things about this?
Sigh.
Okay, when it comes [genital] torture in general, I'm not really a fan of pain even still, though it does occur to me that you could interpret my Chujin and Zaer images as being pain-oriented, that was not my intention.
Over/understimulation is more my thing when it comes to that kind of stuff, not pain.
So if I were to subject Luzma to such a thing, I'd much rather either edge her to the point of tears, or subject her to post-orgasm torture until she's so worn out she can barely form a coherent sentence, but I'd never want to hurt her.

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im not ready to lose clover

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>>4004743
That's not going to happen.

>>4004743
Don't worry he's alive, Martlet saved him. Just give her nine months, then he'll be back as bird Clover.

>>4004750
More like an hour, Clover went up the wrong hole.

>>4004756
Considering he's an egg, I think it's safe to say Clover's soul went up the right hole.

>>4004762
Sorry, Clover got a little lost.
But don't worry, they'll be back soon, just a bit browner than before.

>>4004763
Stop. We're not doing this. We are not entertaining that.

>>4004764
Don't you worry, Martlet's gonna "lay an egg" alright, with Clover right at the squishy, stinky center of it.

>>4004764
Hey, just imagine, Clover's gonna have plenty to eat to get big and strong!

>>4004688
>I do like the idea of me saying these things to her so matter-of-factly that she gets caught off guard and blushes about it, that's nice.
She would act all smug and nonchalant about it, but you could notice her flames looking brighter.
>Wait, no, don't procrastinate more, that's bad.
It's inevitable I'm afraid, but I'll try to avoid it if I can
>Awfully roundabout, but I can respect that..
Maybe she'd do it just because you told her that she has nothing that could be spanked.
>Spoiler
Ok, I think I see your viewpoint, pain is more like a sub product that comes from the action that you actually enjoy, even if the characters are crying you're focusing more on the stimulation aspect.
Alright, I think we went a bit off topic with this.

>>4004750
Wouldn't it be longer? Martlet would be pregnant with Clover for nine months, then there's the time it would take for the egg she lays to hatch.

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remind me are there any enemies with unique attacks when paired together in chapter 1?

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A moment of silence for all the fallen human headcanons we're going to lose on the 24th.

>>4004785
You forgot to take into account the time it would take for Clover's soul to settle in Martlet's womb.

>>4004794
hathy, when alone, use a spinning heart that stops and moves in one directions.
when paired with another enemy, hathy instead uses a ring of hearts

>>4004799
just making sure

>>4004796
It wouldn't take long for him to settle in her intestines though.

not even a full minute? wtf guys

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>>4004795
my protagonist is explicitly not a fallen human but I think the human soul religion I have set up isn't going to survive

>>4004804
the what?

>>4004796
Fair point.

>>4004795
>cole reads the news about the flower darkners killing fallen human headcanons
>C: "good thing im not a fallen human, right kanako?"
>...
>C: "kanako?"
>cole turns around to see kanako holding a toby provisioned gun
>a tear is rolling down her cheek
>the gun lets out a loud yip as kanako pulls the trigger

>>4004795
How many times do we have to repeat it? No, it won't affect the fallen humans, the flowers just represent them, not literally them

>>4004805
When God created the first human, they were determined, but impatient. So they made a second human. The second human was patient, but not brave. So they made a third human. The process repeated until there were seven. Just as God was about to cast them away in frustration, he saw them working with one another, helping each other with their weaknesses, to become more brave or more kind or more just. So he released them to the world as they were. Today we gather to recognize we are incomplete, and can only become the best versions of ourselves by working together.

>>4004814
Sounds like a pretty cool way to use the soul traits in a religion, are the monsters seen as demons or something since they don't have traits? What is this for anyway?
>Capital G God
Interesting.

>>4004807
why would kanako do that?

>>4004814
>First human is determination

Disregarded

>>4004821
toby >>4004821
please I have 3 kids

>>4004825
Your kids are getting retcon'd, sorry anon.

>>4004828
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4004814
Oh yeah? Well toby cant fucking stop me from adopting this headcanon myself.

>>4004832
You'll get retcon'd next if you don't know your place.

>>4004815
in my little headcanon monsters were created at a separate point, most likely after since they seem to be more refined than humans.

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Putting this here as well.
https://files.catbox.moe/cjvn7t.png
Tired.
Goodnight.

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one final edit before i make the new pause menu functional, thoughts?

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This weekend I played a bunch of fangames to tide the WAIT over for chapter 5
Here is a list of them, all of them in varying quality
Some felt really off but most got the feel of the original gameplay right (as in menus and such)

>>4004901
I finally got around to downloading soulblazers, though I didn't make time to actually play it sadly

>>4004901
which one was the best in terms of plot/characters and which one had the best gameplay?

>>4004896
looks alright, but why is the menu so different in general? Is there something you're planning that won't fit with Deltarune's UI?

>>4004908
I haven't played all of them yet but I enjoyed Crocker fan's chapter 6 "Deep Dreams" take the most, even if the game is just some small segments (similar to lambdarune for chapter 3), but the youtube series has more stuff. I hope it gets a full chapter someday but I know that's harder to do than just a few battles
Frostveil is interesting but too repetitive with big corridors over and over, and the enemies can all be spared in 2 turns
Upper Hand, Priest Goofball and Scampton are great fights. Goofball actually made me laugh with some of the silly jokes
The rest I tried were ok, but a few specific ones like Frozen Heart, WGY Tale and Vs The Moon are custom engines that try to mimic DR's gameplay but fail and feel very amateurish as a result, most others use krystal so they are as accurate as they can be to actual material
Atonement was made by Deltatraveler's dev and is very edgy
I'll try to tackle the rest I haven't played after I beat chapter 5

Good threads everyone. Few hiccups but, video games were in fact discussed

>>4004814
>>4004846
Seems cool as something the humans would believe, but I doubt the monsters would view themselves as the second child.

>>4004896
The split spell menu looks bad. Just make it scroll.

>>4004901
How did you manage to play all these in 48 hours?

>>4004814
Its funny, I've been writing a lot of Undertale religion stuff for my fangame, and the way I wrote it, the monsters were the ones that came first, while the humans came after.

>>4004940
I didn't I only played around half of them, see >>4004912
I will play the rest later
And I am still missing a few like One Hell of A Show and some other fangames, but this is my collection as of yet
Also Vs Seraphim is interesting as it is a mix of OFF and DR, kinda like swapfell, but I wonder if it is actually made in RPG Maker, if so then it's impressive they got the bullet system working on that engine

>>4004943
That's still 21 games in 48 hours.

Also is "survey_program" SURVEY2, or something else I haven't heard of?

>but I wonder if it is actually made in RPG Maker, if so then it's impressive they got the bullet system working on that engine
Deltarune Hallow's Eve Hack did that and the bullet portion worked pretty well, even if the rest of the game is a dysfunctional mess.

>>4004945
>Also is "survey_program" SURVEY2
It is that one where you control the vessel and dess through the depths

>That's still 21 games in 48 hours
Most of the single battle ones can be beaten in under 15 minutes

>>4004948
>It is that one where you control the vessel and dess through the depths
never heard of it

>Most of the single battle ones can be beaten in under 15 minutes
Usually takes me longer than that for those kinds of games on account of the difficulty.

>>4004949
>never heard of it
Here is the game's page https://gamejolt.com/games/DR-SURVEY/1047913

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>>4004911
its really just a simple lack of space due to all the small additions throughout.
here for example, there's no room for character reactions.
i need to be able to fit 4 characters on the bottom bar at the bare minimum so i need a second line to fit the reaction, but that takes up too much space and would overlap with the actual pause screen, and i cant really take much room away from the top bar.

>>4004977
I see what you mean now. That "Power" stat is also interesting

>>4004977
>there's no room for character reactions
You can seriously just spawn litle popup windows on top. Your planned UI looks worse than your old one

>Gold and yellow flower are in a relationship in DR chapter 5

Our reactions?

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>>4004901
Undertale 2 is the only one on here I would recommend to someone who isn't massively autistic and undertale obsessed. That is to say, it's unironically great.

>>4004978
i intend for it to be a dual mix of narrative stat and an actual dark world stand in for LV/EXP.
it does scale with stats, equipment, learned magic and whatever else. but it also increases with certain events like closing dark fountains or fighting darkners.
>>4004981
i really dont want to cover up existing elements for character reactions.

did anybody ever post the sprite references for gizmo in DRY?

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>>4005017
No

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>>4005019
that's an old version, new version has different dark world colors

>>4005019
>>4005023
People don't give a fuck about helping others but they love to correct them

>>4005025
Or maybe anons attention was grabbed by the sprite sheet

>>4004781
>She would act all smug and nonchalant about it, but you could notice her flames looking brighter.
So she blushes with her entire body then?
Neat.
>It's inevitable I'm afraid, but I'll try to avoid it if I can
Fair enough, just try and get things done as you can.
>Maybe she'd do it just because you told her that she has nothing that could be spanked.
So she isn't necessarily into being spanked, but she does want to make it clear that she does indeed have things to be spanked?
>Ok, I think I see your viewpoint, pain is more like a sub product that comes from the action that you actually enjoy, even if the characters are crying you're focusing more on the stimulation aspect.
More or less.
>Alright, I think we went a bit off topic with this.
Eh, the rest of it's still decently on-topic, so I'd say it's fine.

I went to sleep last night thinking about Luzma, to see if that would make me feel better when I actually tried to sleep.
I ended up imagining being held in her arms as I cried, wither her shushing me as my tears evaporated on contact with her body.
Which I guess was nice.

>>4005029
>So she blushes with her entire body then?
I thought that idea was already established in the thread, if I enjoy an idea and it doesn't conflict with anything I have planned then nothing stops me from making it canon.
>So she isn't necessarily into being spanked, but she does want to make it clear that she does indeed have things to be spanked?
Maybe, if she takes it as an offense that you'd think her body lacks such a feature.

>>4005031
>I thought that idea was already established in the thread
Oh, I thought that was primarily an indicator of how close she is to climax, I see.
>Maybe, if she takes it as an offense that you'd think her body lacks such a feature.
Well, like I said, I'm not into that specifically, so it's not much of a downside for me, more just an observation.
Like that one old Nedroid comic about one of the characters trying to give the other a shoulder rub, only to pause and realize the other character doesn't actually have shoulders to rub.
Just an interesting anatomical detail.

>>4005030
>Oh, I thought that was primarily an indicator of how close she is to climax, I see.
uh, maybe it was like that and I just forgot, still I imagine that's how fire elementals work in UT

>>4005030
So you had a pleasant dream for once?

>>4003779
So I just finished Bioshock 2, and surprisingly enough it has some big parallels to UTY.

[Spoilers for BioShock 2 in case you somehow still care about those 17 years later]

So Delta (your player character) dies at the end. Usually I hate that sort of thing, makes me feel robbed and cheated, like the whole journey was pointless, but here (unlike in UTY) I actually felt alright about it. Bioshock 2 managed to make dying at the end feel completely justified.

First of all, I think a big part of that was that it wasn't preventable. Delta really was fucked from the moment he woke up. The game plainly explained what was killing him, and throughout the game made it clear how, why, and what would happen to him. And at the very end, cuts off any chance of reversing it. So when he dies, its not a shock, but just what you saw coming for a long time.

And second, and most importantly, it still gives his death meaning. He accomplishes his goal, he saves Eleanor, and the cost is his life. It took everything he had, but he did it.

Meanwhile in UTY, Clover's goal was damned from the start, but you don't find out until late in the game, and he just abandons it and switches to the completely unrelated goal of saving the monsters. Then dies in a wasteful and pointless way that actively contradicts his original goal. Makes the whole thing feel like a trick with a punch in the gut on the way out.

But then the parallels go further, because optionally Eleanor can absorb Delta's mind so he can live on through her and continue to guide her even after death. So it even gives his dying breath an additional extra purpose to sweeten the deal. This is almost the exact equivalent of people wanting Clover to give his soul to Roba so at least Kanako could be saved, even if he couldn't.

>>4005037
I don't think I dreamed of anything when I slept.
Didn't get a full night's sleep either, would've woken up around 8:00 if I did, but I didn't set an alarm or anything.
I am simply awake.
For whatever it's worth, I suppose I feel a bit better, or perhaps simply distracted.
Anyway, I'm just going to focus on beating the pre-patch Knight without the mantle like I wanted to do today. I'm at the bit where Susie starts talking during the fight, so I assume I'm making some progress.

>>4005038
I don't really like how Delta gets absorbed by Eleanor in most of the endings, which is why the neutral "good" ending is the best one in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKxqjqP2BT4
I also think its one of the best neutral endings in gaming in general since it doesn't feel like a watered down version of the "good" or "bad" ending.

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Imagine Martlet doing this with Clover.

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>>4005038
Now I said parallels, that's because there's more than one.

Throughout BioShock 2 your actions as Delta unknowingly influence Eleanor, teaching her ethics, until at the end, she's the one who makes the final moral choice of whether to spare or kill Sofia.

That's almost an exact parallel of what you do for Chara and Frisk in Undertale, teaching them morality through the actions you commit, until at the very end they make a choice of their own. Frisk refuses to fight in pacifist and Chara fights regardless of your input in genocide.

The game even has multiple spare vs kill scenes involving each level's talking head. And the good answer isn't always spare.

Also, to my mortal nemesis. I know you're already reading this and typing a strongly worded reply about how I'm wrong due to some collection of minor differences of execution, so I wanted to ask you something. What do you think of the philosophy of Sofia Lamb, and what do you think of her plans? Her talk about the destruction of the self and serving the common good reminded me of your view of being a cog in a machine that wants nothing more than to be used up and stop existing. Made me wonder how you two would feel about each other.

>>4005041
that isn't even UTY related, it is cartoonish humans doing shit with babies so don't click it

>>4005041
Imagine Martlet taking Clover up her anus, his soul worming its way through her bowels, making her intestines gurgle.

>>4005043
I was moments away from opening one of them out of curiosity before your post loaded. thank you for your service anon.

>>4005041
This is obviously a catbox roulette. I'm not clicking any of those links.
There's probably something really cursed behind them.
Good luck to anyone willing to risk it.

>>4005041
>>4005043
I should've listened

damn, these threads have some weird fetishes. Always a splash of cold water compared to the cheesecake or nip slips on faster boards

>>4004851
Out of curiosity, for anyone who looked at this drawing, how do you think the abs turned out?
Do you prefer I draw Luzma with abs, or do you prefer the simple toned belly I'd drawn her with previously?
Any other thoughts on this image would also be appreciated, though I know it sits somewhere outside the bounds of what is typically enjoyed around here.

>>4005040
I think good, bad, and neutral are kind of bad names for it. Really it seems to be a question of self centeredness vs selflessness. "Good" is doing everything within your power to help others. "Bad" is doing everything within your power to serve yourself. "Neutral" is doing what you think is right based on yourself, caring for others, but not forgetting yourself. The good and bad variations of that are just telling Eleanor whether that "neutrality" was cold utilitarianism or serving a personal moral code.

All of these, of course, reject Sofia's view of the self as an obstacle to the common good. The selfless ones view the self as the person, thus killing that is only harmful, and that if good is done it must be done by choice. The bad views the common good as an obstacle to the self, and that the self is the ultimate good. The neutral says that there must be a balance between the two for morality.

Its a hell of a lot better than BioShock 1's binary morality.

>>4005044
Can't wait for the post-limit arguments that this is actually wholesome, beautiful and provides interesting narrative development for both characters
>>4005048
I'm really not a fan but it's too entrenched to go away. If I ever make a fangame I'm not posting development of it here and waiting for it to be finished so the characters don't get associated with shitting dick nipples before anyone has the chance to play it

>>4005042
>Also, to my mortal nemesis.
Referring to me?
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but I actually never played Bioshock 2.
I played infinite when I was a kid, Bioshock 1 many years later, and meant to get around to 2 shortly after, but something came up, and I never got around to it.

>>4005041
Get this shit out of MY threads autistic faggot

>>4005052
>I'm not posting development of it here and waiting for it to be finished so the characters don't get associated with shitting dick nipples before anyone has the chance to play it
Completely fair, those are your babies.

>>4005051
>Really it seems to be a question of self centeredness vs selflessness.
You kill kids to obtain the bad ending and you hear Eleanor speaking like a typical villain in one of them, then there's the sky turning into a violent storm compared to the neutral and good ending, there's not grayness here, it is framed as an evil act.

>>4005052
>Can't wait for the post-limit arguments that this is actually wholesome, beautiful and provides interesting narrative development for both characters
As someone that was okay with the whole unbirthing thing, I wouldn't in any way consider the cursed stuff behind the links to be wholesome, definitely not beautiful, and it sure as hell isn't interesting.
Unbirthing and whatever was behind those links, aren't even remotely in the same category.

>>4005052
>If I ever make a fangame I'm not posting development of it here and waiting for it to be finished so the characters don't get associated with shitting dick nipples before anyone has the chance to play it
Oh come on, so far none of the fangame characters here have been drawn with some super fucked up fetish, I get your stance but have some little faith in us.

>>4005052
>Can't wait for the post-limit arguments that this is actually wholesome, beautiful and provides interesting narrative development for both characters
you're making a mountain of a molehill that hasn't existed in months. theres's a stark difference between this, and "I want ceroba to bite me."

>>4005040
I think it fits pretty well with the themes of familial bonds. He's effectively choosing the human idea of good based on emotion and attachment over his own agency throughout the route, and when he dies, his last act is to serve his ultimate human role as Eleanor's father, even if he becomes nothing but that guiding hand. Its effectively the philosophical inverse of Sofia. Sofia wanted the individual bodies to be stripped of their will to serve the common good. Delta gave up his body, becoming nothing but a will to serve an individual.

Its almost a synthesis of Ryan's and Sofia's philosophies.

>>4005056
To an outside observer it is, but to them good and evil are a spook. All that matters is the self. In effect she's become the truest believer of Ryan's philosophy. Even truer than Ryan himself.

I'll admit its an imperfect depiction. Probably because its a late 2000s AAA action game with Litt room for subtlety.

>>4005053
You should play BioShock 2, its a good game. You should probably replay the whole trilogy. They're all great.

>>4005061
That's just your interpretation, the speech, music, weather and context paint a damn clear picture of what the intention behind the ending was.

>>4005062
>They're all great.
Infinite sucks as a FPS and as a story game.

>>4005062
Not much of a fan of Bioshock 1 for the gameplay, and Infinite has story problems.
I guess I can go back and play 2 at some point, but not today.

Any news on the Undertale Futility doc?

>>4005066
I wonder if they'll wait till after chapter 5 so it doesn't get buried online.

>>4005065
2 really ironed out a lot of gameplay problems of 1.

>>4005068
they are probably doing that, which is good, we'll get the chance to discuss the doc in a month

>>4005063
I think there may have been multiple intentions in the game, possibly from multiple people. Its obvious they needed a good and evil ending because Bioshock had those, but the game also had a central philosophical question that didn't have much to do with good and evil. So they kinda just haphazardly made one answer good and the other evil.

>>4005070
in a strange way, I can't wait to get my hands on it, the cancelled green doc made a lot of good discussion. But yeah it's for the best that they wait a bit.

>>/v/741634730
>Yoy say that a lot but, I dont think youre right this time.
I question whether you're right here.
The image itself appears to have garnered about as much attention as I'd figured it would, which isn't surprising to me.
I believe this lends credence to the idea that either this sort of thing is rather unpopular, or my work in general is.
>>/v/741634735
>I do care
Could you elaborate?
>Damm she's buff as hell, gret work anon, I see her whilk bags haven't gotten any smaller since the last drawing
Yes, I recall someone asking me if I could draw her with abs sometime after I posted that image of her receiving some oral, and I saw something online that gave me some inspiration to take a crack at it.
As for her breasts, I like being consistent with proportions whenever possible, unless I have a specific reason to diverge from how I've drawn them before.
So, I may continue drawing Luzma with this newly increased breast size going forward, whenever I draw her in the future.
For NSFW stuff anyway, I may tone them down a bit for normal drawings.

>>4005064
People said f
The same thing about 2, but then I replayed it and it was really good. I'll have to replay infinite to see if its as good as I remember.

>>4005073
Ah, fucked up the tagging.
>>>/v/741634730
>>>/v/741634735
That fix it?

>>4005074
>The same thing about 2, but then I replayed it and it was really good. I'll have to replay infinite to see if its as good as I remember.
I think 2 is the best of the 3 games, I played infinite long after it came out and I thought the entire thing was disappointing from gameplay to story, but you keep proving to have tastes alien to most (even if the popular opinion is that Infinite is perfect) so you might actually like it.
Btw you should play the Minerva's Den DLC for Bio 2 is pretty good.

>>4005073
>I believe this lends credence to the idea that either this sort of thing is rather unpopular,
people love abs, I think there was a pretty good response for that image, especially with the hour it was posted at
>or my work in general is.
nah, I mean ok yeah maybe the things like your reynault images that appeal most heavily to you specifically, but that's just gonna happen when you do something very niche.
I think people have enjoyed your Luzma stuff.
you've also shown some solid improvment since I first saw your art, it's definitely notable. Keep at it Anon.

>>4005069
I suppose I'll see.
To answer at least part of your questions from earlier (>>4005042), assuming you're the same anon, regarding "destruction of the self" and "serving the common good", while I believe the common good is worth serving oftentimes, I do not believe the individual should be fully sacrificed for the sake of the collective, since that can eventually lead to a point where people just exist to exist, rather than actually living lives.
People, broadly, shouldn't be cogs in a machine, I believe the purpose of a society is to serve the people who compose it, not the other way around, there's just a balancing act you have to maintain.

My views of wanting to serve a purpose and then cease existing are due largely to how I perceive society's problems, and a number of problems i have with existence itself. I have been somewhat suicidal since before I was a teenager, and even before then, I always had a different view on life itself for as long as I can remember, so to an extent I've never really viewed myself as being the same kind of conscious entity as most normal humans, I'm easier to separate out.
So *I* want to serve the world, but I don't believe the point of existence for the baseline human should be to die for others inherently.
I suppose I may make a post at some point in the future about Bioshock 2 in particular if/when I get around to it, if you wish to discuss things further.