Toby is really lost in the sauce, and not in a good way. He’s so confident that the climax will blow our socks off yet it feels like he’s fucking around, adding whatever occurs to him because it’s funny. The game feels like an in-joke, but I’m not part of the friend group.

>>4017576
because the game is about the fandom rather than the opposite

>>4017576
I fully expect him to pull the same shit hussie did and go for an anti-climax that just shits on everyone and everything.

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I think part of the reason 5 Side A exists is to introduce Flowery so he can come back during the Roaring.
Also go watch the drowning failure sequence on Side B and look at how it recontextualizes the lake date. I think the way a lot of this chapter feels is intentional, but it's truly the one chapter in the entire game that never should have been released standalone.
People say 3 would've been bad standalone but it had the most background lore in the game, set the stakes of the story with a huge bombshell boss fight, and a punchy cliffhanger. 5 Side A doesn't get to do any of that.
>make the most recent area boss not even the main antagonist's servant
While I agree that it would be nice to have more of an idea of what the fuck the threat beneath Hometown is, I don't think ch5 boss needed to be that. In fact, Flowery is one of the best-executed characters of Toby's career. "The servant of the main antagonist" is effectively Kris at this point anyway.

>>4017660
>While I agree that it would be nice to have more of an idea of what the fuck the threat beneath Hometown is, I don't think ch5 boss needed to be that.

I disagree. We’re more than halfway through the game, and we STILL don’t have an understanding of basic stakes. As of right now, we have an antagonist (the knight) which is evil because… it’s… evil… and that’s all we’ve got concretely. It’s also an incompetent villain because it could have caused the roaring infinite times by now but it just… doesn’t? It feels like it’s just toying with the fun gang but then it runs into a wall like a dumbass at the end of chapter 5. How is the knight afraid of a flower??? I wouldn’t have so much of an issue with the knight’s murky motive if not for the fact that NOBODY ELSE HAS A CLEAR MOTIVE EITHER. The only exception to that is Susie but she’s so tactically stupid that it doesn’t matter. Chapter 5 literally only happens if Susie turns her back to Kris. If she didn’t and saw Kris with a knife, she would have put two and two together and beat his ass.

Also, Toby’s world building surrounding the mortality of humans and monsters is completely borked. Humans have blood but also monsters do but actually monsters don’t because they turn to dust when they die but also Onionsan’s fleshy corpse got baked into tepenyaki. It’s painfully obvious that Toby’s just making shit up.

>>4017530
we have two threads about the canon games already
>>4012558
>>4002072
>inb4 "backseat janny"
Hey, I wanna discuss the game, but let's not risk making the rest of /vrpg/ angry with us.

Nigga Im fucking done with the janny on /v/ holy shit what a faglord honestly he should kill himself

You guys are over thinking things.

I understand that Deltarune is pretty impressive game, and a lot of anons may wish to discuss it among each other, but most of all of this activity feels like a tranny raid.

>>4017600
I'll only assume that to be the case if Toby announces a "gigapause" for chapter 6's development

>>4017947
I'm not impressed by the stalling

>>4017947
not really a raid. native anons just looking for another game after they got fucked on /v/

>>4017947
It's /v/ anons wanting to talk about it and /vg/ is a gay orgy that hates talking about the game and actively starts spamming to get threads to bump limit and killed if people start talking about the game, and /v/ mods being fags and immediately deleting anything Deltarune or Deltarune adjacent, so now a scattered, excited group want anywhere to talk about it. Fortunately/unfortunately, /vrpg/ is safe, but too slow to actually handle the amount of people /v/ is spitting out so it's looking like a flood.

So it's not intentional, it's the consquence of two boards squeezing out the most hotly talked about thing at the moment. In two weeks it'll probably cool off.

>>4018613
Bitching about tranny raids is a tall complaint from a board that was basically held in captivity by a scatophile Earthbound spammer for years anyways

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>>4018773
lmao wtf??

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>>4018876
It all goes back to Animal Crossing New Leaf and Undertale demo threads.

>>4018564
Deltarune is waiting, that's the whole point.

>>4017576
>He’s so confident that the climax will blow our socks off
Yes
>yet it feels like he’s fucking around, adding whatever occurs to him because it’s funny
You've got that backwards

Remember when Noelle talks about how she doesn't want to use any of her 99 blaze potions, that they're too good to use? That's the exact problem with Toby right now
This is his magnum opus, it'll be perfect and everyone will love it. But he can't bear to give away any lore details because Christmas is only good while you're excited for the presents. Once you open them, that's it, Christmas is done.

For that reason he keeps delaying the reveals and so chapter 5 was nothing but vagueposting. There's no reason we couldn't have gotten A LITTLE bit of insight to the plot that ends in two chapters. I'd be a lot more forgiving of this chapter if that was the case. But instead there's really nothing to talk about except doom posting about suselle

And no, I don't think the emergency patch FRIEND stuff is interesting. Notice how people talked about it for just a couple days and moved on, because it's ultimately nothing. Yeah FRIEND is big and scary, but it's just more empty promises that we won't see a return on for at least a year.

>>4017576
He's already botched the climax. All this talk of subverting the prophecy and avoiding fate, but he's purposefully denied us as much information as possible so no matter what happens in ch6 and 7, the roaring isn't going to feel inevitable or tragic it's going to feel cheap as fuck and annoying

The weird route in chapter 5 was enough to justify it enough for me
And I love the flowery voices

>>4017833
the oldest threads on this board are over 300 days old and the oldest of them all >>3828388 only hit the bump limit 10 days ago.
I don't think they'll be too upset with having more people to talk with.

>>4027072
making too many new threads will shift the board dynamics and will put other board users against the DR fanbase (it already happened back during the chapter 3 and 4 days), just stick to one thread whenever possible

I agree with >>4027078
Let's be on our best behavior while we're here, ok? We're a guest in their lands
I do worry about the image limits on this board but we'll figure it out i guess

>>4027136
maybe we can ask the mod to increase the image limit if it becomes too much of problem.

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>>4031537
>>4031539

>>4017947
>Raid
It's 1 thread.

>>4031808
Retards are planning to create new threads every time image limit is reached (and threads are on Page 5). Even the blind can see that this won't end well, but I suppose Undertale fandom is widely known for retardation, so that tracks.

>>4031879
page 7
>>4023686 is on page 7
do you really think it's unfair to leave a thread that's past the bump limit and the image limit on page 7?

>>4031916
*page 6
Think for a moment. You're gonna abandon threads on Page 6 every time. Eventually 40% of the threads on this board would be abandoned Deltarune threads. You think local moderator won't take action?

>>4031923
And then they'll complain to ABIB and GrapeApe, who will pester Hiroshima to make GR18 so UTDR can be completely banned outside of /vg/ and /trash/, because they don't care to make an /utdr/ or /toby/ board since that's inviting an abhorrent den of schizophrenia like /vp/'s den of freaks.

>>4031931
/utg/ retards sometimes create 5+ threads on /vg/, and that was before /drg/. /vg/ staff will gladly get rid of DR.

>>4031941
Then why haven't they done it already, especially if they're the main reason /v/ has to suffer DR threads solely because /utg/ niggers don't want to actually talk about the game unless it's for Kris's nonbinaryness or Ralsei's transness?

I just start bumping older threads when the DR one hits bump limit so it leaves the catalog sooner

>>4032040
>admitting to thread sliding
you are no better than them

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>>4031537
>>4031539
Pizza Tower did in fact have mass thread deletions, which also intensified when the mod responsible started getting directly made fun of, only reason it wasn't bigger was the game was niche. It wasn't a high priority target like some of the other games and Pizza Tower comfortably used its own /vg/ thread as a home-base for staging /v/ threads until the Toppins gijinka mod finished and the game could finally die in peace, but it did get negative mod attention for daring to resist an LAPD officer beating them

>>4022230
The voice you like is the voice of a future tranny. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>>4032919
This is offtopic for this thread. Please go to >>>/lgbt/ to speak about those topics.

>>4032966
This concerns Toby Fox who is the creator of Deltarune, and not to mention this game features more LGBTQ+ characters than straight ones so LGBTQ+ discussion is perfectly on-topic.

why the fuck do you retards not just use /vg/ for your fucking generals
that is what it is fucking for

>>4033107
generals are allowed on /vrpg/

>>4033107
Because /utg/ is full of mentally ill freaks who will shit up their own turf if you try to earnestly discuss the game their general about, care way too much about Kris's pronouns, and will also raid and destroy any non-/utg/ Deltarune generals because the very idea of someone caring about this game outside of shipping, fetish art and pornography genuinely infuriates the freaks to the point of crying to the mods (and it'll work, /utg/ like all late stage degeneracy generals is a protected safespace).

>>4033115
>Because /utg/ is full of mentally ill freaks
Like this one?: >>4033056

>>4033123
No, worse than him. Go look in /utg/ right now and compare their postings to that surface level nonce.

>>4033115
>like all late stage degeneracy generals is a protected safespace
Only on /vg/ and a few other boards. Decayed generals (circlejerking, etc) are nuked from orbit by staff on all other boards.

>>4033131
Yeah? That's what I meant, the staff would take /utg/'s side on the conflict if we tried making a Deltarune Discussion General.

>>4033107
People here just really hate /utg/ that much. It's honestly impressive.

>>4033362
And they hate anyone who doesn't conform. Either you're there to gush about how much you want to cumflate cuntboy Spamton while Tenna jerks off in the cuck chair until Spamton pops like a balloon or you're told to piss off.

>>4017947
It's not a raid it's just the game LGBTs including those from 4chan play

>>4033367
To be fair that's just them gatekeeping their community, all of 4chan should be gatekeeping their communities.

>>4033369
"Maintaining board culture" and "circlejerk of five 'Named' retards who call everyone else tourists" are two different things. The second is a frequent problem with generals, but is easily solved via nuking it from existence for a few years. Circlejerk disperse in that time, and then general can be restored with another name.

>>4033375
Literally what they do on /v/, if they did it on /vg/ more often generals would not stagnate so much

>>4033379
I thought /v/ was generalless? Then again, I've seen game dev general there, so I dunno.

>>4017576
>autistic zoomer nerd who lucked out creating a game that appealed to other mentally ill autists actually doesn't have any writing or proper game development skills outside of coding and art that he ripped off from a much more professionally made game released 30 years ago?

Inconceivable!

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>>4031544
Why did Snoot Game piss off ABIB?
It's fucking OC.

>>4036270
>OC
That's why. It's even more insulting to mods than a spunky indie game getting traction without buying board space that something natively made within 4chan is mogging astroturfed topics.

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>>4036272
It's sad that most anons have come to understand that /v/ has become basically a fucking billboard for any faget that wants to artificially get his game talked about. Anything from AAA to indie I feel like gets shilled there. With any actual native discussion getting pruned or autosaged or fucked with in other ways.

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>>4017530
how many fucking generals do you niggers need. fuck you, fuck off and kill yourself. or at least write the game name so this gay tumblr shit gets filtered

>>4036754
sorry bwo the 3000-reply general threads on the catalog will continue until either some method of not clogging /vrpg/'s catalog appears or /v/'s mods are cured of their mental sickness

>deltarune not in OP, dooming it to be slow as fuck
real thread >>4036988

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>>4017947
Blame /v/‘s janny chimping out at deltarune’s mere existence forcing everyone to migrate here. It’s even more of a clusterfuck seeing as those threads were some of the fastest of /v/ and now that same speed is derailing this board it fucking sucks and I feel for you guess including the yellowfags who used this board as a refuge

>>4017947
It feels like a tranny raid because trannies are the audience for this game

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>>4031544
Pizza Tower ABSOLUTELY had mass deletions, what? It became a waifu general for picrel and the others. You could argue it deserved it like Chapter 3+4 era 10 months in did, but it got the same exact ABIB treatment.
SCP's public server threads were faster than every thread here besides Deltarune and got raped, so this isn't the first time I was apart of ABIB's clitty leakage.

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Why the fuck did you create SIX different Deltarune threads? Are you retarded? Is this mental illness?
Three of them are fresh, not even at a bump limit!

>>4037089
ask this retard >>4036967

>>4037089
Janny's pet, someone who got caught in the crossfires of threadgrave, or /utg/fags unironically trying to get Deltarune banned from /vrpg/ by pulling this retardation. Or a combination, who the fuck knows.
It's been said again and again to conserve shit so we don't flood the board, but niggers don't listen.

>>4037089
It's only 5, the fangame general is a different community and the source of the complaints about us flooding their board.

>>4037163
>trying to artificially create tribalism
You never stop huh? Did you think I didn't notice (You) trying to push "self-inserters", "yuriniggers", and other narratives? Now you trying to push "UTY" vs "DR"?

>>4037178
I didn't do any of those, I only said that because they are the veterans here that would be worried at Deltarune getting banned. Take your meds.

>>4037178
I think the thread that's home base for the guy developing DELTARUNE Yellow would be a little concerned about DELTARUNE getting banned off of /vrpg/, anon.

>>4037089
Seriously, why couldn't we just have used the other threads that were already here?
I get wanting to move on after hitting the image limit at 2500 posts, as long as it takes a while to do that I think it'll be fine. BUT WE ALREADY HAD FRESH THREADS UP, WE DIDNT NEED ANOTHER

>>4037188
Because mobilefags can't use catbox very quickly and efficiently, and 2000+ post threads lag their shit phones too much.

>>4037183
There's one big derail with UTY vs "UT/DR" currently going on in the other thread. It's not paranoia if it's real.

>>4037188
I think it's autism over the OPs.

So are we just using this thread now? If not they why don't you all stop BUMPing it?

>>4037196
There's no derrail but the fact we're two different communities and they're the ones worried about the flooding and thus acting like wannabe jannies.

>>4037188
the guy who's autistically making threads as soon as the current one hits image limit doesn't like this one because it doesn't have deltarune in the OP, and the other one that just got made was too much of a shitpost apparently (no clue why that one got made mind you, that OP just wanted to rant about 2hu i think)

>>4037206
There's zero talk about threads. It's just "Toby mad", "nuh-huh", "uh-huh", "nuh-huh", "uh-huh"

>>4037025
Not sparing ABIB but Yournamehere is equally complicit, if not even more dangerously autistic about "no generals allowed >:(" tweaking his brain fluids and turning him from a mediocre mod into an outright bad one

>>4037209
>OP just wanted to rant about 2hu i think
Touhou is an arcade game, not RPG game, tho?

>>4037214
This hasn't happened.

>>4037216
going off him putting
>Deltarune (a JRPG btw)
in there i'm pretty sure he knew that
let's be honest here it kinda is a shit thread, but it's a thread with deltarune in the title and OP pic regardless and it's gonna stick on the catalog for a while, so it could've very easily have just been repurposed instead of leaving it there as yet another abandoned deltarune thread on the catalog

>>4037233
If we are going specifics Deltarune is neither Japanese nor a RPG, which means jannies would be valid in banning us from the board

>>4037244
>nor a RPG
/vrpg/ Anons here don't give a shit about your narrow definition of "RPG".

I really wonder if we oughta give /vg/ another chance.
Make /dtg/ and there we don't have to worry about old threads or image limits. /utg/ probably wouldn't want leave their echo chamber to come bother us

>>4037347
>probably wouldn't want leave their echo chamber to come bother us
They would. We just need to be able to gatekeep the same way they've gatekept their own general so well via its excess degeneracy that we literally refuse to even consider /utg/ as an option due to it.

>>4037347
/utg/ would only try to shit it up for a few hours until their short attention spam went back to their home thread, it is what happened with the one /drg/ thread that was tried over there

>>4037364
And from there, we'd just need to avoid getting into tribal shitflinging.
Which unfortunately seems impossible, given that there's already efforts from disingenuous cunts to try and force a war between DRfags and UTYfags.

>>4037347
if we kept at it they'd probably stop, but i can imagine there'd be a bit of growing pains from them coming over to post dumb shit for an hour or two like what happened in /drg/
honestly i'd be more worried about the natural decay of the userbase /vg/ inevitably causes, right now at thread -1 we might be well-meaning and trying to avoid acting like /utg/ as much as possible, but get to thread 100 and the post culture will likely look entirely different

>>4037378
Inevitably, no matter what, generals on /vg/ will become nothing but ritualposting and avatarfagging. Threads that don't do this bleed posters until they die.

>>4037382
Yup. It's the only way to survive the cutthroat pace in which /vg/ lives on, which is why a slow board is actually really good for us.
Problem is we have faggots who are mad we're finding a way to survive instead of becoming one with the /vg/ decline, so they're going out of their way to try and get Deltarune banned off of /vrpg/ by mucking up threads just to create another one and do it all over again the instant it reaches bump+image limit.

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>>4037347
I'd rather have my balls chopped off than go to /vg/.

>>4037382
I guess that's a good point. Just because we're normal now doesn't mean we'd stay that way on /vg/

>>4037393
Ironically the fag trying to fragment us is so focused on people taking his bait that these other threads are being left alone for now. Maybe for now he can just be tardwrangled into being in another thread.

>>4037382
it's possible for an ongoing game to manage sometimes, but with something that gets an update every few months at best like deltarune yeah it's going to either die or force longevity through namefags and ritualposters

>>4037347
/utg/ literally migrated over in recrod time. we're not doing that again

>>4037477
/utg/ is literally here: >>4036988
We're being raided because they want us off this board

jesus that guy's just spamming images too

>>4037347
No, /drg/ is retarded as an idea, I get /utg/ is the ultimate evil but at that point it's better to just stay here or go there if you really need imagespam.
>>4037370
You will just get /utg/ vs us instead, which already happens daily but this time it won't be indirect combat anymore.

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>>4037492
Did Poopy Joe never truly leave /vrpg/, I wonder

>>4037490
>/utg/ is literally here
No, that's mentally ill UTYfags

>>4037525
>le false narrative
You must be so happy there are no jannies here

>its literally just a sharty kid trying to pit the two threads against each other
lol

>>4037541
>shartyfag has been trying to impress his discord groomers by shitting up deltarune threads
go figure lmao

>>4037089
Right to left:
>Fangame thread, completely different discussion
>Image limit reached
>Image limit reached
>Improperly made thread <-- You are here
>Improperly made thread
>Proper thread, but infested, and hopefully soon deleted

>>4037505
>No, /drg/ is retarded as an idea
>t. elf

>>4037525
To be fair they're annoying trying to be jannies but they're just worried about being kicked off from their home board, we're the tourists here. I think we should've just migrated to either this one or CoL's thread.

>>4037585
This one >>4036988 is doing perfectly fine, I don't see the problem. I doubt we will use the other threads either, we'll probably just make a new one without a shit OP

>>4037519
God, genuinely what causes this kind of autism?
I have the "I really like discussing the things I enjoy" autism which is a pain sometimes but It's still ok you know? I still have a good time with it most of the time. How can he get something out of blowing a gasket this hard.

>>4037639
joyless faggots tend to have meltdowns when people that actually enjoy things are happy.
this is the whole reason why soijaks got popularized.

>>4037639
Combination of mental illness (even "normal" basement-dwellers will get bored of their own ritual posting after a few times) and the power-rush of spamming reports or otherwise exerting control over a subject, usually

It's the same flavor of mental illness that fuels Wikipedia edit wars or "pet articles" and they will never rest because their "property" is at stake

>>4037643
This is also why these types often end up being mods and jannies, their obsession creates tenacity which guarantees they'll be extremely active and effective at doing their job, and they've already proven they'll happily uphold their crusade for free at minimum, for a fee at worst (see: the Isabelle/Toriel scat commission epidemic from the demo days, the 'jak commission epidemic from a few years ago).

>>4037641
fuck, normalize having fun, normalize being passionate about the things you like, etc etc.
>>4037643
>even "normal" basement-dwellers will get bored of their own ritual posting after a few times
yeah I can see that. I'm sure it doesn't take FATAL autism to make like, a one word ritual post in threads that happen here and there even if I don't really get it, but the sheer weight of time they practice this insanity over is something else.
>It's the same flavor of mental illness that fuels Wikipedia edit wars or "pet articles" and they will never rest because their "property" is at stake
I'm so very glad I didn't get the autism that makes me want to run a wiki or something. It would be horribly frustrating dealing with those types.

>>4037646
>the Isabelle/Toriel scat commission epidemic from the demo days
pretty sure that's where "poopy joe" got the name from.
And despite all of his literal years of effort, people still like UTDR.

>>4037025
cheese girl was the best one by the way

>>4037875
...after Tomato, of course.

>>4037025
It's already starting to happen to Palworld threads. Typically those threads(the ones actually talking about the game) were some of the most active, right behind Deltarune.

>>4037944
It seems like they're kinda racing to the bottom on allowing anything more recent than the AI boom to be on /v/

>>4037944
Sounds like Pocketpair/Sony stopped paying then, if their threads are starting to get nuked.

>>4037951
Enough with the tribefagging

>>4037962
It's not tribefagging if it's objective fact on how /v/ operates. How do you think the PEAK threads, SillyTavern threads, Halo threads, Stellar Blade threads, Sonic threads, Cyberpunk threads, etc. all get to survive on /v/ despite exhibiting extremely obvious "general" behavior?

>>4037962
NTA but it's become pretty blatant anon.
My personal headcanon was the whole HFR/Forespoken shitshow was actually two shilling companies in a flamewar that anons just got whipped up into.

>>4037971
PEAK to me just seems like an indie game that caught a lot of anon's attention mixed with ERP-chatroom type shit whenever I lurked the threads.

>>4037977
PEAK by itself would be perfectly reasonable, but you've got to keep in mind scp secret lab got shot in the head despite also being a 'play with anons' type of game
part of me wonders if it's because no one wanted to fuck the Dboys

>>4037951
>>4037973
i think its more that shitflinging threads werent leaking into the ontopic threads actually talking about the game, even after a month.
so they had to go.

>>4037981
>part of me wonders if it's because no one wanted to fuck the Dboys
Kek you can never be too sure. But I do agree with you their arbitrary 'pick and choose' is stupid and gay and just ruins the feel of the entire board when you don't know if what you're gonna post is gonna piss off some random janny.

>>4037985
The only bright side of it is you can get Yournamehere pretending you're not in the IRC room anymore if you don't fall for his bullshit about generals being whatever he says they are

>>4037569
>>Improperly made thread
It have deltarune in the OP. No one gives a shit about YOUR definition of "proper".

>>4037398
I'd rather have this anon's balls chopped off than go to /vg/.

>>4037585
CoL has a thread?

>>4038213
Still not using your schizo babble thread

Ill use it then

>>4017530
What do we think of deltarune's gameplay that aren't minigames?

>>4042274
shmup gameplay is still a genius idea
ACTs kinda suck though

>>4042253
>>4042253
>>4042253

real good faith thread for the uninformed. this is a CoL schizo thread

>>4042285
who is col and why is he bad?

>>4042282
I wish that fighting was incentivized deltarune is more or less act until you spare or pacify mostly.

>>4042274
The gameplay has no idea what it wants to be with combat.
You keep getting weapons, getting armor that boosts AT, or ways to boost Rude Buster, and there's still no reason to not just spare everyone you see. Even attacking is risky since you get no do-overs if you lose a recruit.

He never should've caved to the pacifistfags

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>>4042274
>fighting is completely pointless except for chapter bosses, where it literally doesn't matter how you fight them (in the case of Flowery, you can't even attack him because Susie and Ralsei will outright stop you)
>even then, fighting gets you the worse rewards from all shadow crystal bosses (except pink, who can't be fought at all and doesn't have any reward outside of the 3 Flower items you can get, the best ones being SethSpecs, GreenApron and YellowHat, all items that don't boost fighting)
>encounters are WAY faster and easier if you just spam ACTs, tiring enemies out is risky and results in them being LOST (loved that Titan Spawn bug in CH4 meaning I didn't get to save Jackenstein)
>even if you do an all-lost playthrough, the stat increases don't carry over to the next chapter anyway, and they're very minor
if you FIGHT you're a KEK

>>4042274
It was improving a lot with things like the knight fight, but honestly chapter 5 felt like it went with a "throw more objects at you at once" approach instead. I was most disspointed by chapter 5's fights so I hope they change gear in 6 and make the combat spicy.
>>4042293
I was really worried when jackenstein was gone despite only killing spawn, but I heard that was actually a bug?

>>4042312
>I was really worried when jackenstein was gone despite only killing spawn, but I heard that was actually a bug?
Yep, it got fixed a while ago.

>>4042324
good to hear, it probably sounds autistic of me, but that was a bit of a deal breaker for me taking the game seriously. If you can't fight when the spawn are flooding the scene, and the characters are screaming for you to fight? then fuck it just remove the combat system all together.

I really hope chapter 6 just does away with recruits entirely. Things are getting serious, there's no time to appease every darkner with low self-esteem, just burn them down and be down with it

>>4042336
that would be a pretty reasonable angle honestly. I don't expect there to be NONE, but it would make sense to change the tone significantly

>>4042336
>just burn them down and be down with it
why do we have to jump straight to murdering them

>>4042351
Ok maybe chapter 6 removes recruits, incentivizing you to attack
Chapter 7 removes the mercy button

>>4042351
because we need more violence

>>4042274
>>4042282
>>4042288
X-actions were the biggest mistake in the game, and adding TP-acts that arent partner spell-acts the second biggest.
combat should've been balanced around using susie and ralsei to keep kris alive while he acts.
>kris acts, all acts are free unless the act is a stronger version of a spell.
>susie has fight spells, stronger partner acts, and is otherwise is a safe +16%TP/item usage if you're not fighting.
>susie still gets betterheal, but CH5 gives it another five uses to improve it. so that its a bit more of a viable alternative compared to heal prayer
>ralsei gets fireshock in CH5 if you've been fighting everyone beforehand. this happens during the sauna scene where he says that he just doesnt understand what kris is doing yet. his justification is that he truly trusts kris, and if he's made no attempt to stop (you) from fighting, then who is he to object?
>fights that revolve around TP acts are rebalanced to be more like spamton's fight progression, in that kris has partner acts with susie and/or ralsei to progress faster than acting on his own. because currently those fights encourage you to ignore spells entirely and instead use items.
>for example, unleash during the titan fight is preceded by "ShineUP", which gives points based on how many party members act with kris. 15 points need to be accumulated for the soul to be light enough to unleash. neither shineUP or banish use TP, the darkness gimmick is rebalanced so that as long as you're collecting TP it'll still be reasonable to use a spell every 2-4 turns.

>>4042486
Chapter 5 strongly hints that we'll have magic soon. I don't care about R/S-ACTs if we have magic

I'm hoping that in the coming chapters we'll get a fight that is as fun as doing mantle-less knight. That's honestly the biggest thing I'm asking for from the game at this point.

I feel like Toby intended for people to try to attack people and then use pacify when they're low on HP. The recent BlueShoes and Scythemare+OrangeGlove are clear signs that he feels like people aren't pacifying enough
>>4042488
NTA but I wonder what kind of magic Kris could have. She'd probably have one attacking spell and one defensive. I can't imagine what element Kris would have. Maybe water because of her connections with Aqua
It'd be so damn cool if the defensive spell gave you a shield that protects you from your next hit (like Deltarune Yellow has with Kanako).
The spell's name?
Barrier

>>4042492
Does the game keep track of how many enemies you have pacified instead of just sparing them?

>>4042495
Yes.

>>4042282
>shmup gameplay is still a genius idea
>SoulRanger
Imagine

>>4042492
the underlying problem with pacify is the fact that there's a risk factor and that it doesnt really speed things up at all.
there's always a chance that you deal too much damage and force yourself to reload.
and its not particularly faster either. the only way you can get a turn 1 pacify is if the enemy gets within pacify range with only kris and susie hitting them, and then with ralsei having the blue shoes (which also hinges on him not getting a better weapon in CH6)
all together its just better to act normally.
i also think the blue shoes and scythemare are a too little too late thing. if CH6/7 are dark in the way toby's implying then there's probably going to be very few darkners we can spare in the first place.

>>4042505
>the only way you can get a turn 1 pacify is if the enemy gets within pacify range with only kris and susie hitting them, and then with ralsei having the blue shoes
That doesn't work, attacking always comes last so Ralsei will try and fail to pacify first.

Yeah I agree had the BlueShoes come earlier, maybe it could've been useful, but it's a bad idea to even get them since Ralsei's heavily implied to either get his ultimate weapon or just leave the party in general

>>4042505
forgot to mention as well: if toby REALLY wanted pacify to be more common, aqua's knife should've made it so that kris's attacks cant reduce an enemy below 1HP.
the blackshard's non-crits are stronger than the knife's crits, so in terms of dealing damage its just not worth it.
>>4042507
ah, didnt know about the fact that pacify comes first.
so its outright worse to go for pacify since you always need two turns for it, while with spares there's some cases where you can get a turn 1.
fantastic.

>>4042507
Bold of you to assume that (You) would be in the party. If anything it's likely you still leave the Susie party together with Ralsei.

>>4042509
I feel like Aqua's Knife is honestly better since the near-guaranteed crits will generally cause you to deal more damage, plus the defense doesn't hurt, but ultimately if you can only pick 3 items, you'll never pick the knife unless you really like Aqua

Honestly I think you shouldn't have been able to fully deplete someone's HP in general. The stat gain from losing recruits is so half baked it should've just been removed entirely. It'd still probably be less optimal than sparing, but I'm gonna be honest doing the same acts over and over is so damn boring, I'd fight just for a change of pace

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>>4042513
the stat gains are a fucking disappointment, they only exist to clue you in on the weird route and become useless immediately after cyber world.
>one stat up for CH3/5, two for 4.
>CH2 has three, and noelle gets four and double the health.
like god damn toby, the fuck are you doing?

>>4042488
I wonder if you need the Pure Crystal for Kris to learn magic/trust you enough to stop holding back
It's gotta have some other use than making the Twisted Sword after all

>was just browsing ocasional /v/ threads
>finally decide to migrate here
>now have to decide between two threads with retards pissing at each other, they are not even tripfags so you cant know who is who
thanks jannie, very cool
anyway
it was put to my attention that there is new page at deltarune website showing progresion of weird route
https://deltarune.com/7b/
are there more new hidden pages or is it only one?

>>4042546
thats the only one, not even the thank you page has anything.
as for the pissing match, its just a /vg/ raider. pay no mind to it and recycle threads instead of going to new ones.

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>>4042274
Regular encounters were never made interesting to begin with outside of when you were stripped of party members as enemies are generally too weak to deal with 3 health bars. Bosses though did get fucked pretty hard in both the ACT and FIGHT department since Chapter 3 and the only fights that kinda survived this was the secret bosses.
>Red Buster has been forgotten.
>Pretty much none of the bosses past Chapter 2 give ACTs to help with violence. No way to adjust either side's stats, no other methods of spending TP for damage outside of Rude Buster.
>The Weather Duo has a bunch of unused attacks but in their current state they're not much more than an interactive cutscene and a later an optional gimmick fight
>Shuttah is a regular enemy given midboss HP
>Rouxls
>Jackenstein is held up by his humor due to the nature of his fight not being interesting otherwise. You spend a bunch of time going through mazes (that you can go at your own pace so there really isn't any danger) to use one ACT 3 times or skip with a tension item.
>Sound of Justice is a 9 turn cutscene that's skipped with a tension item
>Titan is just Unleash then Attack, Unleash then Attack. Brighten is pointless and the other two ACTs are just for reviving Kris. By the time its same 4 moves actually ramp up the battle is already over.
>Aqua is a just a 4/5 turn fight as none of the ACTs actually matter and FIGHTing just drags things out
>Seth and Aqua is another "fight" that just ends after a certain number of turns but ending it early via FIGHTing means you can't do Seth breaks.
>The rest of the Flowers are just farming TP to use the singular full-group ACT that is the only way to progress the fight, this includes Flowery. So much so that the only ACTs Ralsei and Susie have are just to give more TP while nerfing TP from guarding.
>Various unused moves that seem polished enough to the point where they should've stayed just for variety's sake.

>>4042551
>gif
the fuck? how is that a cut attack?
>inline with the titan's other attacks in terms of difficulty
>rewards memorizing the pattern so that you can get closer and end the attack sooner
>much needed attack variety for the arguable worst chapter boss

>>4042538
I would guess combine it with Shadow Mantle to craft SkyMantle
>but what if I beat Knight mantleless?
Then you're fucked

>>4042518
It's there for LORE reasons, as always. The leftover from original timeline.

>>4042546
You're not supposed to go there directly. Go to https://deltarune.com/chapter5/ , then scroll down.

>>4042548
>>4042577
>only one page
weak
>THE biggest of all numbers
neat
I mean, shame I will hit 30s when it releases but still, neat

>>4042567
I dunno. I'm not even upset about ACT/FIGHT only encounters, those are fine. Violence not having any incentive is kinda shit but the gameplay in general has just been streamlined or simplified for whatever reason and that has me kinda miffed. This extends to Chapter 5's enemies too. The only unique regular Darkner encounter is a Kawkaw/Shi combo in the castle, everyone else is solo or paired up with another version of themselves. That's just further squandering attack variety.

>>4042546
This is the concern troll Yellowtranny thread, the real one is the other one.