To those who leak stuff on reddit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_WUCvYkRyc&pp=0gcJCWgCo7VqN5tD

>>4038845
Playing Dusttrust X and thus far it's pretty nice with it's inclusion of fights with other enemies that aren't Papyrus and showing other Swap characters that aren't him and Sans.

I also like the area design, I still have to play the Sans vs Papyrus fight though.

>>4038848
Based
>>4038850
Its a tall order to give a skeleton wank game a shot, but im at least curious

>>4038856
I say to give it a shot if you like Underswap.

I (mostly) got past writing the story script for a battle that was bothering me for the last months.

I did write a few things out of order but that feels weird.

>>4038859
Never touched it before, but hearing someone praise skeleton wank has me assuming its of unusual quality

>>4038861
>I (mostly) got past writing the story script for a battle that was bothering me for the last months
Nice
>I did write a few things out of order but that feels weird.
Hey I mean, as long as it gets you to the finish line right?

>>4038848
If they're posting spoilers, or if the dev doesn't want crossposting, sure.
Like I'm pretty sure both? DRYs have public gamejolt releases and at that point it's totally unreasonable to think that people outside here aren't going to see them.

Someone should make a game that actually tells the Legend of Delta Rune

>>4038868
Yeah it's called DELTARUNE

>>4038868
Remember that guy who was making a "mod" to make DR's story play entirely straight with no twists or anything?
That guy was fun.

>>4038868
Delta Rune already represents Chara/Frisk in UT though?

>>4038869
It forgot about that when one of the big bosses was some perfumed fop using the power of friendship to fight the knight himself

>>4038868
SURVEY_2 to my understanding is essentially that shitposter kun

>>4038870
I dont think there was anyone like that

>>4038873
how is survey_2 going to tackle chapter 5? will it use the popular idea of asgore being humiliated by sans at the festival and opening the fountain himself instead of kris because reasons?
it really upset me that kris just opens the fountain and asgore is fine with it (I know he says he was just playing along but he is still too calm about it, the only theory I buy is that either kris or carol told him it would happen in advance)

>>4038876
Asgore thinks that the Knight is the one who opened the fountain

>>4038875
Not legitimately, no, but there was a guy a ways back now who went on a massive rant about how Toby was a snake for having the characters in DR not be on [your] side, and he posted screenshots of a "mod" he was working on to make DR a story entirely played straight that he was supposedly working on with "like minded people".
Of course, it was all bullshit, he just wanted to rant about how DR has a story instead of being a generic fantasy with no intrigue whatsoever, and all the screenshots he posted were just mashups of other people's sprite work, but it was entertaining for a bit.

>>4038875
There was but I doubt any actual mod was being made. Probably just edited screenshots

>>4038876
>How is survey_2 going to appeal to me an annoying shitposter and my intentionally unreasonable "standards" that will change 10 seconds from now?
No clue, I'm not the developer, I'm assuming the dev for that probably has an actual idea for the direction of the game and isn't going to be screwing with it to appeal to people that don't even like Deltarune to begin with.
You know considering the alternative basis for designing a game around what people actually anticipated out of the game is something made out of love, and not incoherent low effort shitposting.

>>4038880
the whole point of survey_2 is deltarune as if the fan theories were true, and that sequence of events was how pretty much everyone predicted chapter 5 would go

>>4038878
He is a snake though. I wanted a straightforward fantasy story, and he failed to make it. No worse, he made it look like one, then lied about what he turned it into.

>>4038884
See, I feel like you just went through the archives to go see who I was talking about so you could pretend to be him.
I appreciate it, but it's just not the same.

>>4038885
You caught me damn

Surprised nobody's made a fanmade "proper" sequel to Undertale, for all we know due to Toby's laziness humans could've noticed monsters re-emerging, freaked out and started a new war

>>4038878
>and all the screenshots he posted were just mashups of other people's sprite work, but it was entertaining for a bit.
I could swear he posted a webm of an edited knight fight where Kris isn't working with RK

>>4038886
When was this anyway

>>4038887
Fountaintale is already in development, its a sequel to Undertale where you explore Dark Worlds with the help of Dess

>>4038886
It was a good effort though, sounded a lot like something he'd say.
I swear, sometimes, it feels like I can still see his posts...
*sniffle*

>>4038870
I still hope he actually makes something. I think it could be fun

>>4038873
Not necessarily. Its, at its core, a game made up of all the schizo theories that weren't proven true. Going off that, there may not even be a chapter 5 the way we think of it. It could be something fundamentally different.

>>4038876
I'm not the lead dev, but I am involved in the writing. The writing's in the really early stages right now, so there's no telling where it'll go. At least nothing beyond a bunch of notes and vague ideas based on old theories.

>>4038887
There actually was multiple, but they ended up dying pretty quickly. Especially after DR came out. I don't think there would be a new war though

>>4038882
The predictions changed as time went on. The theories were wildly different back in the chapter 1 and 2 days. Honestly I'm wondering if it should even have 7 chapters, since that was specifically a chapter 2 era reveal.

>>4038892
>I still hope he actually makes something. I think it could be fun
Theoretically, but the way he just kept talking in circles and seething makes me feel like there was never actually anything behind those screenshots, especially given how all of what he showed off was just made of other people's sprites mashed together, which is pretty easy to fake.

>>4038890
Interesting, I'll have to look into that.

>>4038896
I said hope, hope can exist independent of likelihood or reality.

>>4038893
To be fair, it's equally possible that a good chunk of mankind would actually want to re-kindle peace with the monsters (it HAS been a while since the war) but I think exploring the mysterious prejudice humans had to one day start the war would be quite entertaining if done right

>>4038888
I thought that guy just wanted to make a kriselle mod, the other guy was someone else

>>4038872
Yeah the prophecy said there was a flower man and flower man there was.

>>4038901
>I thought that guy just wanted to make a kriselle mod, the other guy was someone else
The guy making the Kriselle mod showed up after chapter 5, I'm talking before that

Okay playing the Sans vs Papyrus fight of DustTrust and wow I suck at this on computer. The omni-directional dash suck ass, but maybe it's just me being used to controller for Deltarune fangames.

Also i like the option that they gave you that the battles get easier the more you die.

Val flying Quetzali like a flying kite in the Dark World!

>>4038902
How about this. The Flower Man is the sycophantic advisor so intent on keeping Asgore in the Dark World for enough time so that the thorns on the inside of Asgore's armor warp his brain enough to join the Knight willingly, and when his scheme is uncovered he drops the act and transforms into some kind of flower titan.

>>4038910
Can't wait to be able to use her to fly like Tails in Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

>>4038911
No thanks, I prefer Toby's Flower Man.

>>4038914
I don't, fuck that cheating joke of a villain.

>>4038911
Not that anon but yeah that kinda sucks.

>>4038915
He's not a villain, he's an antagonist.

>Inverted fate having a battle music rendition of dogsong for the dog guards encounter
blessed fandom

>>4038923
>inverted fate
>blessed

Nothing can be blessed about it

>>4038918
Don't care. Wanna fight him anyway. Paper Mario did this on a smaller scale 20 years ago, so can Deltarune on the budget of a millionaire.

>>4038911
Flowery's kinda lame, but that's worse

Those posts aren't in the archives

>>4038928
Remember when Sans and his cheat fight were restricted to the optional route of Undertale?
The game should restrain itself otherwise the whole adventure feels fake.

>>4038930
>does he know?

>>4038934
>The game should restrain itself otherwise the whole adventure feels fake.
I think that's the point, that the adventure isn't happening naturally.

>>4038930
What?

>>4038934
Feeling fake is fine, in universe and from a metanarrative standpoint the whole thing is fake. The problem is being fake and gay. Spamton was fake too, but he was take and cool. Same for Tenna and Queen.

>>4038936
That's stupid. It's supposed to be an adventure.

>>4038936
How hard could it have been to make the adventure play out naturally

>>4038934
Dark World are confirmed in universe to be like a game though
>>4038947
The UT/DR (lightner) characters are real in universe

>>4038954
Not literally though
Pokemon gyms are part of the pokemon world
Dungeons of various other games are part of the world

>>4038949
No, it's a weird magic conspiracy, we've known that since chapter 2.

>>4038934
>the whole adventure feels fake.
thats the point.
the dark worlds arent real.
dark world stats are named shit like "fakeHP" internally.

>>4038959
To what part are you replying to?

>>4038962
Yet, the dark world hp translates to light world hp since chapter 4 (It was actually in the code previously but didn't work due to a bug)

>>4038963
The part about dark worlds being a game in universe, not literally ,they can still move and stuff

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>>4038968
i mean, if a TV gets thrown at your face its gunna take a few hitpoints off of your real health even if it only looks like the TV is attacking you with stars in the dark world.

>>4038969
They are not literally a game, but similar to it, Noelle even mentions it in chapter 2. Of course, the things that happend in the Dark World are real, and not just Fun Gang playing pretend with dragon blazers cartridge or something like that.

>>4038970
Where are her talons?

>>4038971
What about titan and titan spawns? Do you think Kris just stubs his toe repeatedly? Or Berdly getting snowgraved

>>4038961
I hate conspiracies.

>>4038980
Kris...

>>4038980
Well that's just too darn bad anon, you had a pretty long time to figure out that that's what kind of story this was, well before paying money for the game was even an option, so this is just a you problem.

>>4038980
Toby...

>>4038868
>>4038872
Kill yourself, CoL

>>4038983
Ch 1 and ch2 didn't really make the game about that

>>4038954
>The UT/DR (lightner) characters are real in universe
Maybe not. They could all be part of a simulation. Or the game could toy with the ideas of what quantifies real and fake.

here's something I've thought about recently.
>Copies are monochrome
>Copies can be colored in artificially, like with the four flying aces or the Hometown goners and Clam Girl
>We know this applies retroactively to Undertale because New Home is monochrome and so are the goners
>Battles in Undertale are black and white
>Dialogue sprites are black and white
>Lightner dialogue sprites (and only lightners) are black and white in Deltarune
This could point towards everyone being a copy that's been colored in.

>>4038909
Yeah I give up they gave Sans too little HP to deal with the bullshit Papyrus throws at you.

>>4038987
Chapter 1 maybe, even if the ending scene was meant to show you that (you) aren't the same as Kris, but chapter 2 had tons of that stuff, it gave us more details on the mystery of the Knight, it had the start of the weird route, and the ending explicitly shows us Kris acting against Ralsei's warning about the roaring, there's no excuse to not have figured out that something was up by that point, and you had multiple years with just chapter 1 and 2 to figure it out.

>>4038871
It represents Asriel/Chara, actually.

>>4038985
He's dead

>>4038988
So everything including Undertale is fake?

>>4038971
I still think the dark world being literally just illusions/dreams makes it "fake and gay", I prefer if there is actual magic involved that morphs the reality instead of just your perception of reality or whatever ralsei said

Seeing a lot of retarded seething, not nearly as much fangame discussion.
>>4038909
How long does the game seem?

>>4038970
Martlet with human feet. You had one job anon.

>>4038992
Entertainment destroyed. Getting your spine ripped out from your ass is also a subversion, it doesnt mean people shouod be forced to like it. How can you sell this to the mainstream?

>>4038995
Seems like he's decided to shit up our thread for some reason and retards are desperately trying to entertain him.

>>4038998
its not outside the realm of possibility

>>4039000
It's pretty short in terms of exploration at the beginning unless you get stuck at the Chase.

I think it's around 1 hour long if you take it easy?

>>4038988
Toby not selling Lightner plushies is intentional, and is something that Omori did too. I think they are supposed to appear "fake" like characters in Mantle, but actually real.

Also Plantner sprites are black and white as well, except that their eyes are colored.

>>4039007
that would be insanely lame

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>>4039004
...Get the fuck outta here.

>>4038992
How is the average player supposed to enjoy this game
You know the kind that doesn't bother with theory videos at all
How are you supposed to focus on the gameplay if every battle and conflict feels this fake

>>4039020
By following the story instead of making one up in their head and seething when the game doesn't follow that.

>>4038993
Chara and Frisk both descended from the Surface and both freed the monsters

>But Asriel also fell from the surface like 100 years ago and the one who broke the barrier
He didn't originally come from the surface and he needed Frisk to convince him to destroy the barrier instead of Mega-Resetting. Also Asgore says that Frisk had the same hope in his eyes as Chara did.
I think it just thematically fits better if it was Frisk.

>>4039009
Nta but i find the time estimates people give to always be tough since apparently Im retarded and take 2-3 times as long to complete anything ut/dr related compared to anyone else.
I might try it just to see how far off I am from your estimate if nothing else

>>4039019
...You first.

>>4039026
It's a good bit anon, you had me goin' there, that was good.

>>4039023
But you don't follow the story. Half of it is just waiting for things to happen instead of you doing anything yourself.

>>4039025
I'm mostly getting stuck now on the boss fight so I understand your pain.

>>4039007
That would ruin Undertale's message and is already disproven by the Alarm Clock and Newsletters

>>4039011
>Also Plantner sprites are black and white as well, except that their eyes are colored.
they're solid colors, but not black and white.

>>4039031
How so? Them still existing doesn't disprove them being copies or undo the whole thing about game stories requiring suspension of disbelief on the player's part to be enjoyed.

>>4039032
What? I was talking about Flowery's and Blue's portraits. Do you think I meant their mini icons or something?

>>4038980
Susie...

>>4038980
Toriel...

>>4038980
Leo Gold...

>>4039023
Undertale didn't do this

>>4039050
No, it didn't.
Your point?
Undertale is a different game from Deltarune, obviously they'll have their differences from each other.

>>4039034
Why would UT characters be copies though, I could get why they are in DR, but not UT.
Also Goners in UT are copies of actual UT characters. Why would there be a copy of a copy?

It would also kill fangames such as UTY because nothing outside something shown directly in game exists.

>How so?
In the alarm clock we can see characters continuing to live their lives after the game has already ended. And there's no reason for them to be copies in UT. It also lessens the impact of the genocide route.

I think we are just retracing a past argument step by step for the sake of someone's entertainment.

Spot any good fics lately? I wonder if any new fic writers will pop up due to the update

>>4039024
The prophecy only says the one who has seen the surface will "return" and the underground will go empty. Asriel saw the surface then returned once more during the pacifist fight, not Frisk. You might think her being the Angel fits better but I think Asriel fits better as his final form literally looks like the Delta Rune Angel and he's the one who breaks the barrier.

>>4039061
>we

>>4039061
>Spot any good fics lately?
I went to check AO3 for any new NSFW UTY stuff, and ended up finding some real weird stuff right off the bat.
Other than that, I think one of the anons here mirrored an NSFW fic to AO3 somewhat recently though, but I don't know if that counts.

>>4039056
Your right, Deltarune should have been the epic, but it failed to be this when this conspiracy shit was introduced.

>>4039073
The whole "twisting my words around" thing doesn't work when I never said any of those words to start with.
Bad try, really poor showing on your part.
Do better.

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hey now you homoerotic cucks, let's all calm down and enjoy some HMOFA art of our favorite canon couple

>>4039081
I didn't mean that deltarune should have been the "the game shouldn't be a natural adventure" kind of different. That's the wrong kind of different.

>>4039092
Yes, yes, whatever you say.

>already over 100 posts spent on this
off to a great start

>>4039087
are there even other DRY takes in "active" development?

>>4039065
Yes, that is true. But you also have to complete the neutral ending at least once so you can get the Undyne letter and do True Pacifist. So Frisk did technically return from the surface.
When Asgore kills himself, he tells Frisk to take his soul so he can find the way to get the Underground free, on the Surface (Like the Angel).

Yes, Asriel breaks the barrier and you can definitely interpret as him being the Angel and you wouldn't be wrong. This reminds me of "The Girl with Hope" prophecy. It can fit for both Susie/Noelle

But I think it's thematically better as difference between how both humans showed LOVE/love, but you are free to disagree, it's vague on purpose

So if I wanted to make an Undertale fangame about one battle only where should I start?

>>4039095
Not any good ones besides DRYanon's take as far as I'm aware, I just like the art

>>4039095
Only WGY unfortunately, all others are just sprite art

>>4039094
There is little you have to change to make the game flow better I swear, but change it must.

>>4039098
Flesh out the idea first, then make it.
Don't improvise, that's playing with fire.

>>4039096
Fair enough, I think Asriel mirroring Chara as the "good" angel and Frisk simply being the messenger that decides the fate of the world is a stronger parallel, but you're right it's purposely up to interpretation.

>>4039103
By all means, if you insist.

>>4039067
Yeah I find the tastes of the people who upload that stuff more often to be questionable at the safest.
>Other than that, I think one of the anons here mirrored
More talking about good finds in the wild rather than that. Im hoping we get some new good fics from the wider fandom even if most things they make are nauseating in some way or another.
Sometimes theres a good random new thing.
That said I remember a fic thatbwas about martlet revealing she had foot binding and it was really fucking strange to me. No sinister aura, just strange

>>4039098
What's your programming experience? you're better off making your own engine if you are already experienced, but otherwise you could try krystal engine for DR style games. I haven't messed much with UT style ones so I can't answer you there.
Just remember, even a single battle fangame can take months to finish if you don't dedicate yourself to it and specially if you don't know what you are doing

>>4039100
WGY is just a video series and I don't have much hopes for it if they ever make a game after seeing some of the designs for the OCs there

>>4039095
Several people claiming to work on one but none actually producing anything.
Saw a post talking about doing a critique of dry and then doing another post talking about how learning to sprite made them want to give up or something.
Crazy how common the "my dry in my head would be totally so much better than this" followed by "aiiiieeee"

Its that "im a genius - oh no!" Image in action

>>4039108
>More talking about good finds in the wild rather than that. Im hoping we get some new good fics from the wider fandom even if most things they make are nauseating in some way or another.
Oh, fair.
I don't do too much looking around for new stuff these days, at least not for things anyone here would care to see.
>That said I remember a fic thatbwas about martlet revealing she had foot binding and it was really fucking strange to me. No sinister aura, just strange
Isn't that a chinese thing?
Why would Martlet have that?

>>4039109
Yeah, I too find it unlikely. But they did say they have "something" made on gamemaker already.

"Fastest" fangame (before Futility of course)?!?!?

>>4039081
You are talking to a schizophrenic
>>4039087
Indeed, let us

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>>4039104
My idea was a fangame about UT Kris (as the cyan soul) fighting against ASGORE. There would be two different endings depending if you fight or spare (FIGHT: Kris kills ASGORE and escapes the underground. SPARE: Asgore kills Kris with an undodgeable attack)

>>4039107
Here's a start. When you find the guitar code in chapter 4, have it show the first 4 numbers before things get crazy, making you think you got it
Make the reasoning for not being able to wait out the knight before starting ch4 dark world being that the knight might kill Kris and Susie on sight if he gets caught.
Make Flowery more villainous. Make it so that you arrange to go to Asgore's shop to ask about the second code after the festival, and that the fountain is already there when you get there
Have it so you can see the full code in ch5 yourself

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>>4039112
There was a guy that started a project wanting to make high quality sprites for DRY1, it was pretty well made but after about a month they gave up and deleted their entire page
Pic related is their Cole take

>>4039037
Well the flowers are copies, of a sort. Even if they're not at all accurate.

>>4038202
>I know what you mean by that, but I can't help but imagine saying "Me being alive is a nightmare for you?" in response to her saying that she thinks this is all a dream.
Ah misunderstanding, the lifeblood of any drama.
>Maybe, but I think me being the one who was killed makes things inherently harder for me, since I have to confront the person I was brutalized by.
Your position sucks too, but hey, brutalizing you wasn't part of her plan, that's just how her magic works.
>I'd still hold some feelings for her, but after what happened, they'd probably be drowned out by fear of being killed by her again, memories of being killed by her the first time, and the lingering question of whether or not she even really cared to begin with.
Sounds like the two of you are afraid of each other for similar reasons, only with bravery you'll reach the truth.
>But if she wouldn't budge, I can't imagine going on in the world thinking that the love of my life was just playing with me to kill me the entire time.
"Kahahahaha! Me? Playing with you? Kehehe... hehe... How cruel. I don't remember every toy I've broken when I close my eyes..."
>Could she ever look at me and not think of my gored corpse, laying lifeless on the ground?
I think she would rather stay with you (if that's what you want), separating from a loved one would be more hurtful than any vision her mind might conjure.
>Maybe there's a way back to normal from there, but conflict seems like the more immediately obvious path to me.
I think "Back to normal" would take a looooong time, but getting together again doesn't seem as impossible, you need to get over the initial shock and get your answers.

>>4039121
Oh, no, sorry, I don't actually care, you can shut up now.

>>4039109
>WGY is just a video series and I don't have much hopes for it if they ever make a game after seeing some of the designs for the OCs there
it's just a video series but they "claim" they are totally definitely making an actual DRY that will surpass the one that exists. It's just silly.
>Isn't that a chinese thing?
yes, intentionally crippling the girl for the sake of status and stuff like that. weird ancient practice
>Why would Martlet have that?
because her feet were missing a talon from birth and it helped her walk. it was really weird, and the fic had this point where clover freaked out over it thinking someone "did that to her".
it lacked a sinister aura but it was still really fucking weird.
>I don't do too much looking around for new stuff these days, at least not for things anyone here would care to see.
that's fair, I like the stuff we make around here on average better, but I figure if a few good art pieces have been done because of the update then maybe some good fics aren't too much to ask for you know?

>>4039109
I have zero....guess I'm better off trying to assemble a team for it lol.

No DRY take will ever surpass our DRYanon's HMOFAgem.

>>4039122
woah that fucking dark world cole. I don't dislike detailed sprites but that feels like a bit of a joke.

>>4039129
DRY2 bros... is it over for us?

>>4039129
I don't really view things from the angle of "surpassing" or not. I love dry, and I'll be glad when we have dry2 as well. people outside of here can't comprehend that and seem to feel threatened.

>>4039129
It's times like this i hope the lesbian Kanako DRY take becomes a reality.

>>4039137
Please don't wish pain upon your bretheren because of sharteens. I don't deserve this friendly fire.

>>4039125
No. The writers made a bad story, and no "themes and such" can defend it from the fact that it failed to sell the premise that gets advertised in the title screen and all the trailers.

>>4039137
>It's times like this i hope the lesbian Kanako DRY take becomes a reality.
Why?

>>4039140
HMOFAfags are annoying.
>>4039138
I guess...

>>4039141
let me guess, you have a fursona.

>>4039122
These don't look like DR style sprites, they have way too much shading

>>4039142
No, the only "furry" fandom I'm in is UTDR.

>>4039141
>HMOFAfags are annoying.
oh you're complaining about that?
like half of the thread is into HMOFA. like 90 percent of the anons either want to marry Ceroba or Martlet, and the other 10 percent are mostly covered by various other characters or HMOMA

>>4039059
>Why would UT characters be copies though, I could get why they are in DR, but not UT.
Maybe Undertale's world is a copy of another. Maybe both UT's and DR's worlds are artificial families of another original world that we haven't seen.

>It would also kill fangames such as UTY because nothing outside something shown directly in game exists
Just because Undertale's world would be artificial doesn't mean it would suddenly become smaller. It could still be a whole world, or even universe.

>In the alarm clock we can see characters continuing to live their lives after the game has already ended.
I repeat the question, how does that disprove them being copies?

>And there's no reason for them to be copies in UT.
Undertale did originate after Deltarune, at least as a creative project, maybe it did in universe as well. As to why it was created, Undertale's world is very idyllic. Maybe it was created so the characters would have a chance at a happy ending. Maybe if we want to get meta, it was someone's (possibly Gaster's) test project he did as practice before creating Deltarune. Or maybe its some other reason yet to be revealed.

>T. It also lessens the impact of the genocide route.
How so? The genocide route is about suspending your disbelief so you can treat these characters as real, rather than playing it as just a set of boxes to check off. I think that would still apply to them if they were copies, possibly even more than if they weren't, since now you're also having to willingly choose to view them as real in the process of rejecting the genocide route, or accepting that they aren't in the process of doing it.

>>4039135
You don't get it, once WGY releases his DRY take DRY1anon will be in shambles, this can't be stopped by any means!

>>4039146
What if he is HFOMA instead?

>>4039065
>Asriel saw the surface then returned once more during the pacifist fight, not Frisk. You
Genocide usually isn't done on the first playthrough.

>>4039151
I did it the first playthrough

>>4039150
this might be controversial, but I support it (Gizmo x melody x sadie is based) but if he likes that while shooting down the dreams of people who want to marry a fox of their own, then he is weak and will not survive the winter.

>>4039141
HMOFA only becomes annoying when it goes full retard with raceplay stuff, thankfully that rarely if ever happens around here, anons just have non human characters they love

>>4039141
cry about basednigger, monster girls belong with human men

>>4039151
What does that have to do with my point? The Angel in genocide is Chara who we both agreed on being an angel candidate.

>>4039156
nta but yeah this is pretty much the case. I don't want my bird/fox fantasies to come at the expense of another character. I don't want chujin looking over my shoulder saying "haha you are banging my wife so greatly!". That shit is weird.

>>4039157
Then the human women belong to Monster men?

>>4039124
>Ah misunderstanding, the lifeblood of any drama.
Oh, but of course, have to muddy things at least a little here and there.
>Your position sucks too, but hey, brutalizing you wasn't part of her plan, that's just how her magic works.
Doesn't make it hurt any less, physically.
>Sounds like the two of you are afraid of each other for similar reasons, only with bravery you'll reach the truth.
Perhaps, if we can muster the courage to face each other, without a front getting in the way.
>"Kahahahaha! Me? Playing with you? Kehehe... hehe... How cruel. I don't remember every toy I've broken when I close my eyes..."
"A toy? So, that's how it is. Maybe someone needs to teach you how to play nice."
Oh god, I need to stop before this turns into an RP, oh no-
I do like that though, that was cool.
>I think she would rather stay with you (if that's what you want), separating from a loved one would be more hurtful than any vision her mind might conjure.
I mean, if I knew the full context for why she did what she did in this scenario, assuming a separation from myself for a moment, I don't think I would blame her too much, bigger picture and all, but not knowing any of that would make it hard to see her as anything other than someone who tricked me for her own purposes, just to brutally kill me.
Maybe I could accept her after that, but it'd be a while before I started feeling lovey-dovey towards her again, I can't imagine not bracing myself at the mere sight of her, or flinching from her touch.
Hell, if we really want to be angsty about this, maybe I would start being heat-averse, intentionally staying away from any major heat sources, since they'd just remind me of when things got *real* hot back then.

>>4039162
just write in that your character is the one who saved her when she got stuck in that ditch, problem solved.

I love HMOFA

>>4039164
the rejects can have the rejects.

>>4039164
human women don't get anything nice, they write rape fantasy novels and hurt the hearts of sensitive young chuds.

>>4039155
I'm more into human waifus than HFOMA or HMOFA or stuff like that lol.

>>4039124
>I think "Back to normal" would take a looooong time, but getting together again doesn't seem as impossible, you need to get over the initial shock and get your answers.
Perhaps, perhaps.
The scars would still remain, neither of us would be without nightmares of the other, but maybe we could eventually learn to understand and accept each other again, as victims of circumstance. Never forgetting what happened, but knowing the truth of the matter, and being able to move past it, to an extent.
Perhaps.

>>4039164
No, the monster men belong to human men also.

>>4039139
Shoosh.
The bit's gone stale, it's done.

>>4039178
The human men are TOO greedy.

>>4039167
There is no problem that needs to be solved. In a universe that Chujin is still alive, I'm not trying to get inbetween that relationship, and in a universe that he is not alive, I am not spiting or trying to prove myself as "better than chujin". I am me.

>>4039182
It's not greed to take what's rightfully ours.

>>4039183
ykw based, love Ceroba as you and not someone "better than her late husband"

>>4039183
>>4039186
Bu- but writing my fox fursona getting recognized as the superior man by Roba's late husband make my relationship with her much more valid!

>>4039147
>Undertale originated from Deltarune
Proto Deltarune didn't have UT characters though, Humans were supposed to turn into Monsters in the Dark World.
It's likely that P!Deltarune happened and the heroes lost, then UT happened and Gaster saw (You) and invited you to his Deltarune.
>why?
Sans likely got into UT from DR, but some of the dialogue options and normal npc act like UT already has happend.

>how does it disprove them being copies
Goner npcs are prone to falling apart and breaking character like Clamgirl in UT or normal npc in Deltarune. Also it just doesn't make sense unlike for DR. That would mean that Frisk and the Fallen humans are Goners too, even though the Vessel doesn't have a soul

>>4039183
Okay, but what if you instead wanted to have Chujin tell you how much bigger your dick is than his, and then go and make a bunch of new kids with Ceroba while entirely forgetting about Kanako despite explicitly planning on saving her?
What if you wanted to do that instead?

>>4039188
don't remind me of that one guy who wrote in his sona of a creature from another fucking video game cucking chujin from heaven

>>4039186
Just imagine i posted that schwarzanegger handshake image so I can save 1 image limit

>>4039192
I can picture it in my mind, friend, you need not post a thing.

>>4039190
It's okay. I, other anon, will save Kanako.

>>4039190
Starlo...

>>4039191
>cucking chujin from heaven
its not cucking if he's already dead and he gave you permission to fuck his wife

>>4039190
I cant imagine wanting that if Im being honest!

>>4039197
>>4039201
Good men.
Better than some try to be.

>>4039199
writing that into the story should've been grounds for this guy's public humiliation

>>4039169
Kanako...

UTY mod where nothing changes except Clover reads Chujin's bizarre NTR fanfiction about himself and the Queen of the Underground.

>>4039203
*execution

>>4039204
tfw no cute fluffy monster gf to cuddle with irl

>>4039203
It's somewhat grounding you know. I have embarrasing and cringe fantasies with these characters, but I feel like this is a cosmic nudge telling me "hey you could be much MUCH more embarrassing and youd still be doing better than some"

>>4039206
>Chujin's bizarre NTR fanfiction about himself and the Queen of the Underground.
As in, Chujin fucks Toriel with Asgore being the cuck, or Toriel fucks Ceroba with Chujin being the cuck?

>>4039207
you know what, you're right, off with his head

>>4039212
It's whatever interpretation you find funnier.

>>4038924
bro what they do to burgerpants in this AU
why that hair style
whyy

>>4039206
Chujin would write a story how he would "corrupt" a ningen woman and steal her away from her ningen husband

>>4039173
well, there's not really much of that in this fandom. I've got no issue with it other than there not being much in terms of logical options.
Sigs melody is bangin hot though.

>>4039218
Roba would read that story and get turned on at how virile Chujin is compared to the average ningen

>>4039215
Dear god, I just looked it up. Poor fucker can't catch a break.

>>4039209
>he can't open a dark fountain
Ngmi...

>>4039219
>logical options
???
Nearly every UTDR fangame human is gender neutral, you can easily interpret them as girls to have free waifus.

anyway here's to hoping for more wholesome ceroba x anon

>>4039227
Chujin...

Alas, Kanako is the victim of what is known as "Mom NTR".

>>4039227
I still think about that one Ceroba/Reader fic I found on AO3 the way a soldier keeps a photo of a loved one in their helmet to look at every once in a while.
The greens around here are good too.

>>4039229
Who's that? I'm just here for the hot fox lady.

>>4039165
>>4039174
>Perhaps, if we can muster the courage to face each other, without a front getting in the way.
Your soul will flash orange for an instant once you chose to take the first step.
>"A toy? So, that's how it is. Maybe someone needs to teach you how to play nice."
Hey, you already found a way to lead this to something less dramatic, I'd say that's a start.
>I mean, if I knew the full context for why she did what she did in this scenario, assuming a separation from myself for a moment, I don't think I would blame her too much, bigger picture and all, but not knowing any of that would make it hard to see her as anything other than someone who tricked me for her own purposes, just to brutally kill me.
I imagine she would be willing to give you all the answers you need, since whatever forced her to make that choice is clearly no longer a problem.
>Maybe I could accept her after that, but it'd be a while before I started feeling lovey-dovey towards her again
Healing (and coming back from the dead) takes time, dating the person who took your life is already hard enough and it would be seen as insane in most circumstances, but since we don't know the full context its more understandable.
>Hell, if we really want to be angsty about this, maybe I would start being heat-averse
Heat based trauma? That's a new one, if you want to make it even more angsty go with the idea of Luzma becoming physically ill from lowering her temperature, yet she would still try it just to get back with you, this is all hypothetical of course.

>The scars would still remain, neither of us would be without nightmares of the other, but maybe we could eventually learn to understand and accept each other again, as victims of circumstance. Never forgetting what happened, but knowing the truth of the matter, and being able to move past it, to an extent.
>Perhaps.
Perhaps,
This got really angsty, but its nice to see that it ended in a mostly positive note.

>>4039227
Would it be wholesome for anon to accompany her back to the underground so she can visit the grave, giving her a hug and a show of support in someway before staying a distance away so she can have a moment alone?
I feel like it would be weird for anon to go to his grave with her, but what I described feels like how you might support any widow?
Or maybe this is weird. I don't want it to be weird.

>>4039231
Not yet, MO hasn't befriended Ceroba still

>>4039233
Any idea where I can find all of these? Any archives?

>>4039215
>>4039223
He looks like a fucking muppet

>>4039241
The greens?
Use the green room.
https://rentry.org/The-Green-Room

>>4039237
Oh absolutely, fully moving on is the first step for the process

>>4039226
>Nearly every UTDR fangame human is gender neutral
and most of them are young kids outside of DR which is a no go for me.

>>4039098
Unitale. Its designed for the sole purpose of doing just that. Should probably also do some planning so you know what you actually want the fight to be like.

>>4039243
Sick, I'll be trying to read these over time. Where's the AO3 one at?

>>4039245
>and most of them are young kids outside of DR which is a no go for me.
you can age up the older looking ones, there's also Riley who's pretty feminine looking already

>>4039223
The undyne antagonist arc is neat at least

>>4039245
To each their own.

>>4039251
>you can age up the older looking ones,
which is why I brought up Sigs melody.
>there's also Riley who's pretty feminine looking already
comes across as a guy to me, a meek one but still a guy and I don't have strike zones like that
Kris strikes me as a young man that needs support even if he doesn't want it
Cole is a dude

look I'm not faulting you for treating fictional characters this way or that, but for me there really just isn't much to see.

>>4039141
Chujin...

>>4039156
The funny thing is that it goes goes both ways raceplay usually go for people

>>4039244
ok, I'm glad at least one person doesn't find it weird. It feels like it's appropriate to respect her grief in that way.

>>4039245
Coward

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Here's some massive firm round Zenith Martlet tiddies for you all.
https://files.catbox.moe/2ntckz.png

>>4039263
I am not a coward for having fatherly feelings. I want to give them all a caring home.

>>4039264
Those are exactly what you described on the package. Lots of muscles too but definitely some massive tiddies.

>>4039236
>Your soul will flash orange for an instant once you chose to take the first step.
Heh, that's a cool mental image.
No idea what my soul would be by default though, I don't think I fit many of the seven existing ones.
>Hey, you already found a way to lead this to something less dramatic, I'd say that's a start.
Less dramatic?
I was imagining pulling out a weapon after saying that.
Then again, maybe a good rematch'll let things simmer down a bit, get all those pent up feelings out.
>I imagine she would be willing to give you all the answers you need, since whatever forced her to make that choice is clearly no longer a problem.
Hopefully, unless she still can't quite come to terms with what she did, and can't get the words out.
Or unless she says something that doesn't quite click to me, and we're back to a misunderstanding.
>Healing (and coming back from the dead) takes time, dating the person who took your life is already hard enough and it would be seen as insane in most circumstances, but since we don't know the full context its more understandable.
True, but UT's a pretty insane world to start with, so who knows.
>Heat based trauma? That's a new one,
I have to imagine being killed by her would leave something of an impression afterwards, maybe the heat doesn't feel so cozy anymore after you've felt in blasting the flesh from your bones.
>if you want to make it even more angsty go with the idea of Luzma becoming physically ill from lowering her temperature, yet she would still try it just to get back with you
That's pretty good, I like that. Luzma pushing herself so far, just to try and accommodate me for my newfound trauma, just so I can exist next to her without feeling like I'm back there again. Maybe we'd start to get closer to each other again after I start getting concerned for her, as she keeps lowering her temperature until I can just barely even feel her anymore, and I have to get her to stop.
Find some middleground.

Cooking With Kindness girl fucked by the Moth Monster!

>>4039236
>This got really angsty, but its nice to see that it ended in a mostly positive note.
Yeah, this was fun.
I'll probably have more dumb angst thoughts about her at some point, I've had several already, but I'll try and limit them to ones that make more sense if I post any of them here for any reason. She's a fun character to think about, and angst is fun.

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>>4039256
>comes across as a guy to me, a meek one but still a guy and I don't have strike zones like that
They keep making him look more girly with new each official art, the devs also joked about Riley having to wear a dress to infiltrate some place

>>4039268
That's kinda hot.

>>4039270
I've seen people say that in regards to that art specifically and I don't see it. Looks like a boyish man to me. The kind of thing that some people look for in a femboy sure but still male.

>>4039249
>Where's the AO3 one at?
I don't have the link on me right now, but it was called "A Kitsune's Warmth", by TheTakenCatKing.
It's NSFW, but I found it to be a very cozy fic, no weird stuff, nothing horrible happening, which makes it a rarity on that site.

>>4039268
The moth Monster is trans, but I don't remember if female to male or male to female

>>4039264
New sig art? If so good to see the bird is still on your mind

>>4039276
Pretty sure that one's months old now.

>>4039273
Well, I'm off to go read peak, see you guys later.

>>4039275
What, didn't it have a Nonbinary or Bi flag in that art?

>>4039147
>families
*facsimiles

>>4039189
>Proto Deltarune didn't have UT characters though
It may have. I still don't know the source on that "they were humans in the light world" thing, meanwhile we have concept art dated to 2013 and some notes which depict the characters largely as they are now

>, then UT happened and Gaster saw (You) and invited you to his Deltarune.
And maybe he saw (you) because he was already watching the Undertale timeline, which was a side project or some natural phenomena he sought to replicate.

>why?
>Sans likely got into UT from DR, but some of the dialogue options and normal npc act like UT already has happend.
Can you quote specifically what this is a reply to, because I'm not seeing its relation to what I said.

>Goner npcs are prone to falling apart and breaking character like Clamgirl in UT or normal npc in Deltarune.
Goners may be a different thing. Possibly an intentionally different or botched copy, or maybe just a copy that came out broken, which Gaster has decided to reuse for other purposes. Or maybe that's what happens when a lightner sees beyond the veil and learns they're a copy, Goner kid could point to that being the case with his dialogue about "a world where you don't exist".

>That would mean that Frisk and the Fallen humans are Goners too
Not necessarily, maybe a goner isn't just a copy but a specific kind.

> even though the Vessel doesn't have a soul
The vessel seems to be entirely artificial. If its a copy of anyone, its probably a copy of Kris.

We know that there can be copies that exist just fine, like the entirety of the returning cast in Deltarune. They're all either copies of their UT counterparts,or the counterparts are copies, or both are copies of a third set of characters.

>>4039277
ah, my bad. It reminded me of that one comic he did but I thought it might be new.

>>4039272
Okay, but explain the dress then, there's official art of Riley wearing one but I don't have it

>>4039278
check out the librarby that you can get linked to from that green room he linked you as well. Has some of the fully fledged fics that were written by local anons as well.

>>4039278
Have fun anon, but be warned, there aren't too many like it.
Read it, and you'll be left forever hungry for more.

>>4039282
>Okay, but explain the dress then, there's official art of Riley wearing one but I don't have it
there are people that like putting men in dresses, especially in this fandom.
Especially in this fandom.

If you want to see the character as a girl I think the devs said they are cool with that (and you don't need devs permission for jack shit anyways really when it comes to headcanons), but when I see riley I think "young man with a boyish face like you'd see depicted in war movies to really shock the audience"

>>4039215
post it

>>4039287
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/inverted-fate/images/d/d4/Slick.png/revision/latest?cb=20200905145842

>>4039268
The moth is called Luna but uses they/them pronouns, the character is voiced by a girl in the trailer
>>4039279
The moth has a trans flag painted on their face and they are holding an "aroace" flag
I almost certain Luna is meant to be a biological girl, even if the character comes across as a boy in the game

>>4039288
What, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with-
OH MY GOODNESS

>>4039288
God hates burgerpants and his treatment in the fandom is further proof of this

>>4039288
It's like they took the worst aspects of the average jojo's bizarre adventure character design and vomited it onto burgerpants. Holy shit.

>>4039288
>broken link
just post the image

>>4039296
not sure what's wrong for you, but it seems everyone else can see it. just google it, it was the first link for me.

>>4039297
Why is it so hard for you to post an image? What's the aversion here?

>>4039288
To be fair this makes sense in context.

>>4039276
Zenith Martlet will always be on people's minds for all kinds of reasons.

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>>4039297
>>4039295
>>4039294
>>4039288
>>4039215
All vagueposting faggots can go straight to hell. You assholes are worse than the artists who drew this shit.

>>4039304
We are trying to preserve the image limit

>>4039298
Because I'm being gently with the image limit overall and the image is easily available to anyone who wants to see it.
>>4039304
>vagueposting
I provided a link. you're the one being upset over nothing. Not sure why you're getting so angry at me here.

>>4039280
>what this is a reply to?
It's a greentext hypothetical question that you would ask and the answer to it. It's in response to the sentence directly above it, which is itself a response to "UT originated from DR"

"They were humans in LW" originates from DR chapter 1 stream on the UT anniversary.

This is like arguing about God. It's you who has to prove that all UT characters are copies and not I who must disprove it. And the black and white sprites isn't proof of it. Who colored all of the "copies"? If Toby wanted to say that he would make it clear that it is, simple as.

DR characters probably aren't copies of their UT counterparts, they are a parallel version of them. Like Undyne and Alphys being not in a relationship or MK being older and etc. .

>>4039304
quit being so butthurt because your browser couldn't handle a link.

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>>4039305
Here's a plus one since you want to be a miser about it.

This is an imageboard, you're meant to post images on it. Not posting images because you hit the limit and not posting images because you're afraid of hitting it are functionally the same. The limited number of images exists to be used.

>>4039309
ah, you're a shitposter, got it. Sorry to hear that.

>>4039268
Male moths can mate for entire days btw

>>4039309
Hey guy's, anon's pretty butthurt, looks like somebody better call the wahmbulance!

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>>4039306
>I provided a link. you're the one being upset over nothing
Because you're being an ass. Linking to a broken link and refusing to the post the image you're discussing on an image board is asshole behavior of the highest degree.

> the image is easily available to anyone who wants to see it.
Doesn't matter, you post it in the thread because its the topic of discussion.

>>4039308
Quite being a massive faggot with no imageboard etiquette. You want to make shitty unpleasant discussion, you're going to get it right back.

>>4039313
no need to give him further attention. Seems like he's just trying to stir things up for no reason.

>>4039309
we save the image slots for OC, devanons, and posts that actually need an image in these threads.
which i do agree that the face sprites could've just been posted since its relevant, there's no reason to be a nigger about it.

>>4039301
At this point when people think of Zenith Martlet, chances are at least some of these words are going to come to mind in some shape or form.

Massive breasts.
Incredibly attractive.
Very big in size.
Pregnant with Clover.
Unbirthing Clover's soul.
Dying to her hundreds of times.
Breast expansion.
Human feet with claws for some reason.
Long ass hair.
Size difference.
Talons.
Very fuckable.
A nice ass.
Overprotective momlet.

Feel free to add any I missed.

>>4039315
>Because you're being an ass.
I'm not. the link wasn't broken, and you knew how to get it yourself.
>Doesn't matter, you post it in the thread because its the topic of discussion.
There's nothing wrong with me making the call to personally just provide a link. Anyone can figure out how to get the image one I provide a link.
>Quite being a massive faggot with no imageboard etiquette
ironic.
You should really take a step back and think about what you're saying and doing.

>>4039318
Bird mum with big muscles.

>>4039318
>Feel free to add any I missed.
"Spam".

>>4039321
>spamton M(artlet) spamton

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>>4039310
No, I just can't stand this shit. I care about these threads and about the discussion that goes on here, which is why you ruining it with 2009 era forum imgur link bullshit pisses me off so much.

Fair enough, I may have came on too strong back there. But I really can't stand people holding out on me like that, nor can I stand "just google it". Two rudest possible things you can do on this site. Plus it genuinely does ruin discussion for people like me who can't open the link and people in the future whenever that link dies, because neither of us can see the image.

>>4039318
The one Ceroba's flat chest could never compare to.

>>4039318
flat

>>4039319
>the link wasn't broken,
It was and still is for me.

>and you knew how to get it yourself.
That's not the point, I shouldn't have to. If you're discussing something here, you are obliged to provide context. And since this is an imageboard that means posting the image, not linking it. Links as I've just demonstrated do not work universally,

>There's nothing wrong with me making the call to personally just provide a link.
Yes there is. You shouldn't be forcing or expecting people to go off site for something you could post here, especially not when you are being asked to post it.

>You should really take a step back and think about what you're saying and doing.
I may have been rude back there, but that was in response to the incredibly rude thing you did by holding out like that. I know that I'm in the right here in principle, even if I shouldn't have gone off as harshly about it.

You're not seeing the forest for the trees here when it comes to the image limit. It exists to be used.

>>4039289
Damn, guess I am not good at the 5 trillion gender flags guess game

Maybe seeing Sunny awakened something latent in him and made him straight?

>>4039326
Zartlet is not associated with the word flat. Not even remotely.

>>4039323
>But I really can't stand people holding out on me like that
I was not holding out on you.
I chose of my own will to try and conserve the post limit, and then told you how to find it if the link was broken for you.
> nor can I stand "just google it". Two rudest possible things you can do on this site
actually that's one of the classic things to say on this site going back to the old days. I told you how to locate sauce which is proper etiquette going back decades.

I understand that you care about these threads but you are trying to run over what I'm doing because you don't like how I'm going about saving the images for other people to use.
The information was available to you, and I'm not even complaining about you choosing to go and post it, but I chose not to because I personally value the image limit and letting other anons make better use of it (I personally wait until we are at a certain page and a certain number o images not used before I'm ok using a lot of images).
>>4039327
>That's not the point, I shouldn't have to.
no you certainly should. As internet searches get worse, it's more and more important to be capable of finding things. And I told you exactly where it was.
>If you're discussing something here, you are obliged to provide context.
which i did, and told you how to find it when you said the link wasn't working.
>And since this is an imageboard that means posting the image, not linking it
no that's just what you want me to do. If it was required to use images I'd need an image for every post.
> Links as I've just demonstrated do not work universally
you are doing something wrong.
>Yes there is. You shouldn't be forcing or expecting people to go off site for something you could post here, especially not when you are being asked to post it.
everything you say actually goes quite against 4chan culture, what little people remember of it.
I'm not responding to this anymore. you've made a mountain of a molehill.

>>4039328
Deltarune Yellow if it was written by anons here

>>4039317
I asked politely and told him that the link didn't work. That's going above and beyond being nice to get it. And then he hits with "just google it" which on this site is the same as saying "no, fuck you", or at least it reads like that to me, since in arguments here its always used as a "fuck off I'm right, lmao".

>>4039328
Do you have a crisp version of a light world sprite with his hat on?
I have a dumb joke I wanna make.

>>4039318
Zenith of Monsterkind.

>>4039324
Excuse me sir, my wife is NOT flat, she has PERFECT C-cup breasts.

>>4039339
Your wife is Martlet then, because Ceroba is the flattest coyote in all of Underground

>>4039339
I mean, he's not wrong. When it comes breast size Zenith Martlet mogs everyone.

>>4039330
>Damn, guess I am not good at the 5 trillion gender flags guess game
Neither I am, I had to search the meaning of that flag
>Maybe seeing Sunny awakened something latent in him and made him straight?
>him
There's a chance Luna was always a girl, which would make this another lesbian couple

>>4039339
I think you mean F-cup.

>>4039341
>meanwhile zenith's sprites are as flat as a board
Sure, anon.

>>4039336
>And then he hits with "just google it" which on this site is the same as saying "no, fuck you", or at least it reads like that to me, since in arguments here its always used as a "fuck off I'm right, lmao"
What?
No it does not and never has meant that. 4chan always had a culture of putting in a certain effort to find something yourself before asking for sauce, which has weakened over the years but is classic 4chan.
You could get banned on some boards back in the day for asking for sauce.

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>>4039342
Atleast I know that Reynault gender flag is Fr*nce

>Luna was always a girl
Having the shark guy fuck Sunny isn't as appealing though