This is a thread made to talk about what could happen in Deltarune's future Chapter 6.
>>4056911This is THE thread btw. The other non active threads should be deleted.
>>4056911To start with, does anyone think it's actually going to take place anywhere else other than the Holiday house or the hospital? Given the way the story seems to be going I can't imagine it happening anywhere else.
>>4056925It could be a Chapter focused on Castle Town with no other Dark World outside of it.
>>4056925The ICE PALACE foreshadowing has been fairly consistent so no and both would fitDunno if anyone agrees but I think the main boss of 6 will be a lightner. It will either be Noelle or CarolIf its noelle then it makes sense since she doesn't want to give up her ANGEL'S HEAVEN since her dead is fucking dead or dyingSomething like>Kris, Susie and Noelle party for 60% of the chapter.>Noelle meltdown happens when she finds out if the fountain closes her dad will die or get worse>She leaves the party and guards the fountain. Ralsei rejoins for the showdown.
>>4056932Reverse Undertale theory is still kicking so the next chapter area needs to be like the ruins and the main boss like Toriel. The Ice Palace as seem in Mantle is very ruins like and Carol could fit as a Toriel mirror, too.
>>4056932*Dad is fucking dying I am retarded sorry>>4056936Carol would be fine too, I want to see her fucking shit up with a edgy katana
>>4056937Adding onto this, it could be a interesting fake out>Chapter 6's dark worlds begins with this Darkner taking central stage (Ooh, look, this will be the main boss!)>Carol just kills it or freezes it midway through its gag or gimmick, cementing the change of tone moving forward. No more fun adventures
>>4056938Carol did kill diaps guy briefcase so her killing darkner is a estabilshed fact from her.
>>4056925The Shelter since it seems like Eram and his FRIENDS will be there with pinks dialog(So far chapters 1-4's Secret bosses or the path to them end up eluding to the next chapters big bad or their subordinates). Also Susie has 2 codes now so chances are she just needs the Deltarune code
What the fuck happened to the other thread.
My main issue with Carol being a boss is that Carol is apparently the biggest badass in Hometown, meanwhile our three "heroes" can't even beat a bunch of flowers. Yeah the dark world will probably level the playing field a bit, but I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near enough to allow the gang to beat Carol.
>>4056911I hate kressniggers
>>4056951The one time I make a thread with Kris as a boy and you still complain about it, unbelievable.
>>4056951bat status: not risen
>>4056946I assume the utytroons and others that dislike the sheer quantity of Deltarune threads mass reported it to be deleted, instead of reporting the shitty non active ones.
>>4056955Doubtful, was probably some other pseudo general in this board that got pissed their thread got booted off board earlier than "scheluded" due to the new DR threads
>>4056952Sans was right, some people will never be happy.
>the Knight is close to gerson>the Knight is close to krisThis invalidates every Knight candidate except for Asriel and Dess
>>4056951Why? Its kino
>>4056956Could be both, we were getting some people from other threads mad but the "shitposter thread detected" type of posts is from someone from the fangame threads. Anyways they should've focused their efforts on the low quality threads with less than 100 posts.
>>4056958Proof of the first statementI believe you I just dont remember whatever line you are referencing
>>4056952>>4056953>>4056959It is mostly liked by doelester pedophiles
>>4056960>the "shitposter thread detected" type of posts is from someone from the fangame threadsDo you have any fact to back this up?
>>4056962Dolester chads self insert as the little boy though, so they are not pedos
>>4056955>>4056960Still desperately trying to get that tribalism going, huh?
>>4056963Exact same typing style and types of posts as the one who admitted was from those threads.
>>4056961* Darkners patterned after the memory of a loved one...* Tend to only appear in very specific darknesses.
>>4056966Still being defensive when called out, huh.
>>4056964It is still disgustingIt is still pedophilic fantasizing about pedophilic situations regardless of whoever you want to play the role of
>>4056925What if chapter 6 has two dark worlds, hospital and manor? Rudy gets "revived" in the hospital world, fountain closes and he is still dying of giga cancer and through some convoluted bullshit Noelle gets him to the manor, opens another fountain and you arrive to euthanize him.Also I want to see what the broken prophecy toy darkner will look like in aborted WR in the hospital.
>>4056962>>4056970It's fictional, you need to go back my dude.
>>4056964I thought they self inserted as the little girl?
>>4056969Soooo /utg/fag, how long are you going to keep trying this?
>>4056973You are no different from a tranny
>>4056976>Immediately calling me /utg/ to start tribalism over itLmao, defensive and a hypocrite.
>>4056984>implying that everyone from, /v/fags, to fangamefags, to /trash/fags aren't happy to shit on /utg/>implying that we don't all hate /utg/Call up the janny, again, will you?
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4056988We are happy to shit on /utg/, though, it's just baseless calling out anyone who you don't like /utg/ is tribalism. Meanwhile there's plenty of proof of fangamefags being the ones angry at the "spam", especially when you got defensive at posts that only said they were probably part of the people seething, not even the full group.
Oh, my vessel, how I yearn to be reunited with you.
>janny deletes previous deltathread>still leaves the remaining 20 up jesus did you guys spam porn while i was gone?
>>4056997>Maybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightColoring the goners with care...
>>4057017Nope, janny just randomly decided to delete the last thread because it was mass reported by the usual group.>>4056989>>4057004>>4057011
How many people are in these threads? Like 20 at most right?
>>4056925I think it will go Castle Town -> Hospital. I don't see a reason why we would go to the Holiday manor.
>>4057036It's all me, I made all of these posts, including the one you(me) made.
>>4057036I'm afraid we'll never know. Never forget what they took from you.
>>4057036We're the most active thread in this board so probably a decent amount.
>>4057005>>4057022>retarded /utg/nigger can't read>still desperately trying to get the tribefagging going>>4057041You can't hate them enough. You can never hate them enough.
>>4056970Its not real so its not disgusting in any capacity
>>4057063>Quoting the last post despite not even mentioning anything about who was the responsible group at allLmao, your own guilt tells on you.
>Rudy's death will be used to promote Suselle and nothing more.>Susie will have some bullshit "We'll fight fate together" and Noelle will cum on the spot>Every second of the chapter will be about how much Noelle loves Susie for shallow reasons, yet it will be framed as the best love story ever told for some reason.>Ralsei will call Kris a chud for not wanting the two perfect lesbians to be together even though he is in love with Noelle>Susie will chastise Kris for trying to keep Noelle away from the plot because she DESERVES to be with her>Noelle's discontent with her life will be fixed by Susie "giving her the courage to go on" or some shit.There is no way in hell Toby is going to NOT have a shitty yuri story.
>>4057070Rudy's death will be used to add conflict to suselle, which needs conflict. This conflict will then be resolved and suselle will come back stronger. Anons are coping here that the conflict caused by Rudy's death will break suselle permanently, but this will not happen, of course, there's no way of talking them out of this, they will simply have to see it to believe it.
How does this image make us feel?
>>4057036It can't be a lotI'm starting to recognize individual posters by their theories and I'm sure people are starting to recognize me by mineMeanwhile it felt like there was unlimited new blood in the /v/ threads
>>4057079It makes me a bit perplexed that changing the gender identity of a man or female character to non-binary is acceptable but doing the reverse is apparently a sin.
>>4057079Extremely mad.
>>4057079Nothing because I didn't like Aqua>>4057080Who's going to start shilling this board there to keep it from fizzling out and dying?
>>4056925>>4056932I think there's a chance the Ice Palace is Ralsei's frozen-over castle
>>4057085Its possible aborted 5 Noelle could do that, but main route Noelle? DoubtfulShe hasn't had her LOVE increased to cast spells like snowgrave
>>4057079it upsets me because of the way these speech bubbles are ordered
>>4057088Noelle always had the power to cast her spells. She never gains LOVE before getting Snowgrave.
>>4057069>/utg/nigger is still trying
>>4057069What, are you getting mad at people hating on the mods now?
>>4057079Sex with Aqua and Kris.
>>4057094>>4057096How do you even read my post and assume I'm mad at people making fun of tranny jannies and not laughing at you immediately thinking "usual group" means your fangame thread?
>The people constantly trying to instigate shitflinging conveniently never post any imagesKekkywallaby!
>Janny deletes Deltarune thread 7 minutes before the site goes down for maintenance Lmao
>>4057101I dunno, the retard seething about the fangamefags made it pretty clear he thinks they're responsible.
>>4057106Uuu, imageposting! Imageposting! I wanna try!
>>4057106Most of our thread schizos on /v/ never posted images at all, why do you think they would do it in a board where we have to limit image posting?
>>4057109minor spelling mistake
>10 minutes to maint>DR thread can't stay up, gets janny'dThese guys suck ass.
>>4057108Yet that post had literally nothing do with any conversations about that, it was completely unrelated and yet you still felt the need to defend yourself from it lol
>>4057113Uuu, I'm like Kris now! I failed to cast a spell!
>>4057107Really?
>>4057079The fact this didn't happen is proof that FemKris is real.
>>4057118Impregnating both Loli Kris and Aqua.
>>4057119In 2 minutes 4chan is going down, yes.
>>4057119yep, it was an Asgore OP
IT'S GOING DOWN
In 2 minutes, the Janny will absorb the six paychecks and become a GOD.
>>4057122This but the Undertale loli humans as 4chan goes down.
>>4056958What about Alphys?
where maintenance
>>4057128That but the Undertale Yellow loli.
>>4057127NO... I'M SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONE IN CONTROL...! WHY AREN'T YOU OBEYING ME?!?!?
SITEGRAVE
>>4057130At any moment now.>>4057131This but loli Seth, Orange and Green.
SITE MASSACRE.
But what if there was a vessel, somewhere?
It's backAND NOTHING CHANGED
>no brand new /utdr/ - Undertale/Deltarune boardNOTHINGCHANGED.
>>4057139Nothing changed.Because a janitor is just a janitor.
Ok now we're backPost your deltapepes
It's over. Spics won.https://x.com/UndertaleSymph/status/2089366645718606089
>>4057154God dammit, Tobithew. You bent the knee. You never bend the knee.
>>4057139>>4057144>>4057145Noelle predicted this.Drowned WR chapter 6 speculation anyone? What will actually change?
>>4057154God please let some brown tranny on the way to the concert get shot by a nigger on a bike that would be fucking hilarious
>>4057160Nothing.Because a Noelle is just a Noelle.
>>4056938I thought we already had this with the jobbing knight killing Flowery
>>4057120mike post the seth cafe sense
imagine seething so hard you mass report a thread because it has an op you don't like lol
>>4057170But why? What did that OP have that was so wrong?
>>4057170is this going to be the new thing now?
>>4057180it had femkris in iti guess he couldn't handle two in a row, despite the fact that the op was depicting the scene were kris and aqua were wearing the same dress
>Vessel thread nuked
>>4057183YOUR WONDERFUL THREAD will now be discarded.
>Deltarune threads already being deleted on /v/We never left.
>>4057182Imagine being this mindbroken over a simple interpretation.
>>4057182We know that the schizo that hates female humans is in these threads after last thread, so that's probably his next move since he can't complain about his usual things.
Based proper thread
>>4057154When are they going to add Africa?
>>4056958rudy or carol couldve been a student at gerson's class and kris is generally close with all the holidays so mutt point
When will chuds realize this game isnt for them? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Xjhv9hO8sdc
>shorts
>>4057186For some the humans having vaginas is the gravest sin because it detracts from their furry game somehow.
>>4057187I feel like the antifemkris schizo is another non-existent boogeyman
>>4057170>>4057180It could just be that it was made before the previous one hit image limit idk. That was kind of annoying but i don't think it's deletion worthy
>>4057196I feel exactly the same
>>4057196I mean, there's still the guy that starts screeching about how only a boy can use knives or do pranks on other kids whenever FemKris is posted. He seems pretty schizophrenic.
>>4057200Explain to me how common it is for boys and girls to share a room anonEspecially TEENAGERSFemkris is hot, but its not canon
>They are talking about Kris' gender again
I MISSED YOU!I hate Susie. Kill Susie.
>>4057201It's not common but it happens
>>4057196>>4057199reminds me of guy/lovecraft's cat accusing everyone of being "Boil" over on /co/
>>4057200The knife thing is dumb especially seeing how many emo bitches are into them but I have never seen a little girl play pranks on others in my lifeIt's pretty obvious Toby envisions Kris as a male but I find no harm in seeing him as a girl, Toby will never gender them at any point anyways, I feel like it's mainly butthurt from krisellefags
>>4057203Tell me where the schizobosses side with in the Kris gender war.
>>4057203they managed to shift from coming up with grand conspiracies of schizos mass reporting threads (because of ONE (1) thread getting deleted kek) to arguing about kris' gender AGAINit's honestly impressive at this point
>/v/ got nukedBased
>>4057201>Especially TEENAGERSwhy is asriel incest so popular here
>>4057209If ERAM looks like Loli Kris in canon I will cum.
>>4057192undertale already allowed us to kill all the woke characters, deltarune will allow us to kill susie and ralsei, and we will lead noelle into the straight and narrow path during chapter 7b in the weird run, and if we get the vessel back, then we can deal with Kris too and spread glory across deltarune's hometown forever
>>4057196Everything is a non-existent boogeyman unless they're a schizo that attacks something I support.
>>4057204I like susieIts refreshing to have a character that isn't a baffling sherlock holmes know it all that deduces stuff that the moron author thinks is how a genius acts because in their eyes smart people are wizardsSusie is a retard who eats crayons and is probably borderline illiterate, who better to have the audience surrogate?
>>4057212ERAM making another appearance at all would be a win, i'm half-expecting it to not even show up again
>>4057210Anon why did you give me hope?
>>4057211because chasriel was a popular ut ship and kris is in chara's familial role in deltarune there's also jaru who headcanons femkris solely on the grounds of brother/ sister incest with asriel
>>4057213>mental gymnastics to justify why the woke yuri game is le based actually
>>4057207>but I have never seen a little girl play pranks on others in my lifeAqua kinda plays pranks on others in Chapter 5.
>>4057217There has to be a WR exclusive boss in the shelter right? i'm not sure if it will be ERAM specifically but that seems to be what the sword route is implying
>>4057217ERAM is very likely the voice behind the Thank You ARG. So if they don't appear in the Normal Route they're almost certainly going to appear in Side B.
>a ton of fresh threads with functionally no repliesabsolute graveyard board, I wonder if there’s even any point in trying to have stealth threads there anymore
>>4057215see i'd appreciate that more if she didn't have random bursts of emotional intelligence that seem to come and go entirely based on whether it'd be funny or not (sometimes even about the same situation, i.e. the big 4-5 shift on noelle)
>>4057224I guess the bots haven't been activated yet
>>4057211People always shipped Asriel with Frisk or Chara who are kinda his step siblings so people imagine his instincts will go wild if Kris is a girl for some reason.
>>4057224but when I... win a 20v1 I get negative 20 thousand aura? I see how it is...
>>4057218To be honest, no threads were loading despite refreshing
>>4057222>>4057223i'm hoping so, someone who seems to have intimate knowledge of how kris thinks and feels is pretty interesting in a game like this where we only get glimpses of it and inferrences from random interactionsplus the dialogue did make it sound like it was up to something, so it'd be a let down in that sense too
>>4057201I shared a room with my sis during all of my childhood and teenage years, it's certainly uncommon but it happens in small houses without enough rooms to give to each person>>4057203Jevil would support femkris because it makes a chaos of these threads
>>4057227Lucky gote...
>>4057217We have to find out what it is eventually. Plus it sounds like the voice that discards our vessel.
What if Rudy has no visible illness because he got attacked in a dark world? Maybe that's a plot point.He coughs not because he's sick but because he got damaged just like Berdly's arm when THE INCIDENT happened.
>>4057224What If I like the Camilla thread...
>>4057234Go back
>>4057225Ehhh, even a broken clock is right twice a day and her whole journey involves developing her emotional intelligence so it gets a pass
>>4057224/v/ threads are still good because we can actually post images in them and we don't have meta arguments over the OP, people can just make whatever thread they want.
>>40572244chan is dead
>>4057237the way rudy talks about it in ch1 makes it seem like a fairly recent development
>>4057234Stay.
What if we made a Toby Fox music thread on /mu/
>>4057224like i've said before, /v/ is a goddamn wasteland with like 2-3 threads a day that're even worth looking at, might as well let the mods have their dead board if they want it so much
>>4057246Probably would stay but that board is pretty dead too, no?
>>4057246That would be so trans affirming
>>4057246Make a fantrack music thread instead
>>4057244Well Carol is investigating dark worlds just like Asgore. Certainly Rudy would also be doing that, and they might've had an encounter with something dangerous.
>>4057224You don't like your mandated STELLAR BLADE™ thread about OWNING the LIBS with shovelwar- I mean BASED games!Seriously those threads are the least organic shit ever, has to be some psyop or paid shill campaign
>>4057238anon i know it has a hot woman on the front, but they really aren't worth going intoat best you'll see some hot pics that you could've just got off gelbooru, at worst you'll bear witness to ERPers taking over the thread for half of it until either they move to discord (which frankly i don't know HOW there's so many ERPers on /v/ that they don't all know each other already) or the thread gets nuked, either way you're getting cut off early
>>4057255A lot of this site would become more bearable if mods made a global rule against ERPing if you think about it
>>4057255They are from /trash/ I thinkDon't ask me how I knowSome things are better left out of bounds... on the other side of the chan... where moot would dream of going...Have you heard the song beneath page 10? Its... not a new song
>>4057260I thought this was the ERP thread no?
>>4057170>>4057182>>4057186>>4057187Holy mental illnesses. Rent fucking free. I and a some other anons don't like femKris, yes, but I personally didn't report the thread. If that thread was reported, it was for spam because a bunch of anons were angry at some retard for making the thread ahead of time, and when we have a bunch of other Deltarune threads in the Catalog. See: https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/chunk/4052319/500/6/
>>4057238We complain about "porn" threads a lot but if it was a fuery porn thread these same people would be posting in it.
>>4057255ERP is really cringe, people should just share their hot women instead of doing that cringe shit.
Have you ever consideredAll the hours you spend in these threads could've been spent on doing something productive?
>>4057263Every other deltarune thread that isn't this one or the occasional /v/ threads are erp centrals
Everyone says the level of horny posting they've never engaged in is "ERP" and everything below that is fine.
>>4057268I've tried doing productive things or even doing something more fun but I suck at everything and I am probably retarded so I stick hereI help keeping this board from being a total cemetery, does that count as productive?
>>4057271It's okay and based when I'm making post about MY waifu, k?
>>4057271Not reallyIf you share hot women and nothing more is not erp, hornyposting IS erp anon
>>4057268Eh sometimes
>>4057271well i don't know about anyone else but i'm specifically on about the dudes literally talking each other through jacking off, and i mean if you don't consider that ERP i don't even know where your line would be
>>4057268i've been trying to get a job for months and have gotten zero responses for it i'm taking a course in the fall but that's still a month awayand i'm also quite literally waiting for paint to dry most days
>>4057271When you start calling other people nonnys and other gay shit its clearly erpPosting images is mostly not unless you're going off about how you are jerking it
This is what Kris will look like in his 20s.
>>4057283I hope toby uses gadobadorrer somewhere in the soundtrack
>>4057160While it would be cool to have something for aborted WR in Chapter 5, I expect absolutely nothing significant, at most a couple of dialogue changes.
>>4057287ALWAYS BET ON MEGALOVANIA FOR THE 7B FINAL BOSS.
>>4057268I'm monitoring my AI agents while posting so it's still productive
>>4056925we have 2 chapters leftlast one has to be shelter,shelter payed attention to itself ever since ch1, flowery says something is boiling in shelter, undyne was kidnaped there, and we know knight invited kris there for some reason, its obvious shelter will be climax point of the story atleast normal routesince ch3 our goal is to get to shelter, we were told where we can find two codes, we have one part, and we know where second part is, which is on guitar in holidays mansionthis means ch6 HAS to take place in holidays mansion,and it would make sense from narrative and gameplay reason,>we were shown many objects that could be potential darkworld enemies>it has major emotional connection to kris and noelle, later of will be important part of plot, because sussie said we must recruit her>it pays major attention to dess character, in form of her theme beeing played when in vent, the major mcguffin beeing located in her room, >there is some alex kurtzman tier mystery going on in carols room>entire house is christmas and snow themed, carol droops temperature just by her presence, this would cover the ice palace partif ch6 would take place in hospital, it would be like if in star wars Obiwan and Dark Vader had a fight in fucking cantina bar
>>4057289https://soundcloud.com/chxi-music/gadobadorrer-v2
>>4057289trust in lancer to stop the genocides https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa2S_6m7-OI
>>4057283... and then Kris woke up.
>>4057294What did Tobias Foxhound mean by this?
>>4057289That's Sans' theme now so I doubt it.
>>4057262Dangerous knowledge
>>4057268my brain is fucking fried from the endless demoralization and screens barrage starting from whatever the fuck happened in 2020, but I've been getting into Love2D recently. Don't know shit but that Challacade guy doesn't sound like nails on a chalkboard so I've been watching his videos
>>4057268Yes but I simply don't care.
>>4057262Anon be careful i don't think you want to keep investigating that
>>4057283Except he's a manlet of course. I give him 4 extra inches at most from now to when he's 20
>>4057318>I give him 4 extra inches at most Damn, Noelle better lube up.
>>4057320kek
>>4057268I'm not mentally ill enough to commit to a project and then stick with it indefinitely, I'd just drop it before I can really get going with it.
>>4057318>Except he's a manlet of courseTrue
>>4057326>I'm mentally ill enough to not commit to a projectFTFY
we're not actually going to see December are we?
>>4057331It's funny that Kris was taller than Noelle when they were kids.
>>4057283MY DELTAHEROES
>>4057331This artist draws Kris as a girl btw.
>meet a self-proclaimed (((lesbian)))>she only cares about the Weird RouteEither she believes it's yuri or she has a rape fetish.
>>4057338Prove it.
>>4057339It's both.
>>4057340They drew Kris having periods before, as a child iirc.
>>4057337I bet people will expect me to believe this Kris is still a they/them
>>4057336that seems to have only been for a brief amount of time, as noelle's recount makes it sound like it's even hard for herself to believe there was ever a time where kris was the bigger of the two
>>4057343Lucky blue bastard...
>>4057333>you will never be young again>you will never get groomed by a cool teenage deer girlwhy live
>>4057343>xitter had a melty about this specific image to the point where the artist got involved and disavowed itgod forbid a teenage girl goes through normal development during puberty
>>4057343You can't say Berdly wouldn't be a great and attentive boyfriend. He's logically the best choice for Kris.
>>4057342It's a different artist.
>>4057339Both, always both.With how Weird Route makes it undeniable that Kriselle was a thing and can become a thing in the Weird Route, it creates the conundrum of "obviously Noelle is lesbian" VS "obviously Kris is nonbinary".These two "obviouslys" cannot coexist. You either do "lesbian erasure" by saying Noelle is into non-women too, or "nonbinary erasure" by saying Kris is a girl.So the new cope is "Kris was AFAB and then trooned into nonbinary" in order to rationalize why Noelle would be attracted to Kris, while "maintaining" Kris's gender.
>>4057349fun factneither cervids nor caprines have a menstrual cycle the concept would be completely alien to them, and kris probably though she was dying the first time it happened
>>4057349Disgusting
Kris is a boy
>>4057355My only headcanon about Toriel raising Kris is that the guide book on how to raise a human was completely wrong.
>>4057350clearly this is a sign we must make more edits
>>4057353No, I'm certain it's the same, GG. Just check their media tab.
alright who's the most obnoxious person/group here
>>4057360toriel probably knew what it was but since she had never experienced it herself she was probably ignorant of how much it would affect kris
>>4057337Post this artists depiction of the KFC.
>>4057350drawing big tits on teens le bad
>>4057364Post link, fag.
bune
>>4057365You.
>>4057371Kissing their tummies.
>>4057365FemkrisfagsJust look at this shit >>4057118 >>4057122 I also don't like that they play the victim >>4057170
>>4057370Just scroll through their media tab and you will eventually see it.https://x.com/ggiph1/media?filter=photo
>>4057369i've seen enough tiddies on susie and noelle with lesbian flags/colors stuck on there somewhere to know that only matters if it involves kris for some reason
>>4057377They're no more irritating than Kress fans.
>>4057350To be fair the artist also hated the edit, too.
>>4057380>i've seen enough tiddies on susie and noelle with lesbian flags/colors stuck on there somewherepost it coward
anyone up for gartic phone?
>>4057381Kressfaggotry can at least be funny
>>4057378I don’t really care, I can interpret the drawing however I want.
>>4057378hate that they removed the grid view what the fuck were they thinking
>>4057380because the unspoken law about kris is that she's mtf non binary or whatever the fuck god forbid you actually depict a femkris without all the bells and whistles to show that you're part of the cult
I will not accept any Dess slander here
>>4057386Okay but they like yuri Krisellehttps://x.com/ggiph1/status/2066583634363269357
>>4057381Nah, they're not that obnoxious.
>>4057385WTF the legendary and elusive /ll/ Kress...
>>4057392perhaps the most forbidden ship in the game
>>4057390This >>4057331 drawing is just legs. I don't care about their other dykeshit drawings.
>>4057365well considering how femkris fags have been as intentionally as inflammatory and abrasive as possible, been spamming new threads even when they're are already empty pre-existing ones, and have been eating through the image limit purely for the funny i'm going to have to say COL is the biggest fag here.
>>4057383ditchu's done several where susie's got a little more than usual, but here's one probably a little closer to what you're thinking of when i say 'tiddies'https://files.catbox.moe/wjeel5.png
>>4057390Kris don't look at me like that or I'm gonna cum.
>>4057404>femkrisfag>retarded coomerWhy are you always like this?
>>4057404DO NOT CUM
>>4057380I assume it's because the sexy Frisk/Chara mindbroke the fandom so much that not even Kris can have it without invoking their trauma. Even the funny trend of bringing back those old fanon versions was swiftly shut down because it was le hecking problematic.
>>4057400>and have been eating through the image limit purely for the funnyThis literally didn't happen.
>>4057404And people wonder why Dess molested Kris. How could she resist?
>>4057408i didn't realize motherfuckers were actually acting like that shit was traumatic until i saw the chazington video on comic dubs and a good part of it was just complaining about frisk having tits
>>4057408yeah, it's problematic because they should be the other way around in your pic
>>4057407I'll try...>>4057412Dess is innocent and did nothing wrong.
>>4057400If only CoL would just expand his vidya tastes a little bit, earlier Fire Emblem games is exactly what he’s looking for
>>4057417It's not even real trauma, it's just performative old shame because otherwise the purity spiral will cancel them for not looking back and going "CRINGE!!!!! PROBLEMATIC!!!!!!" and the next thing you know someone's posting a Google Dockey.
>>4057397Fair enough desu.
>>4057209That meltdown over that one thread getting deleted is one of the most forced things i have seen in a while. Has to be one anon samefagging
>>4057417Oh yeah, I remember that video. Most of it was the guy crying and shitting his pants over Nuvex's Frisk design and other sexy designs of the time. This fandom hates conventionally attractive women.
>>4057431Most of the fandom is tumblr/twitter people what did you expect?
>>4057429It seems mostly like /vg/ styled clownery to me
>>4057431>This fandom hates conventionally attractive women.really emphasizing this part here given how many people want Ralsei to troon out, they’re obsessed with this very bizarrely specific and alien version of femininity
I find it funny how this shitshow is still faster than 90% of the shit on /v/eddit
i'm indifferent to femkris
>>4057438And then they'll rage at you if you DARE imply that, by their same logic, this must mean Susie is a tranny in the making too, because that's "LESBIAN ERASURE!!!!!!"It's fascinating how obsessed they are with women and femininity, but utterly despise the conventional form of it.
>>4057442You will be executed for saying this.
>>4057441It's not really surprising. What's even the point of posting on /v/? that place is full of off-topic shit and when a video game is actually being discussed, it's just a bunch of people ragebaiting each other
>>4057431him bitching so much about nuvex's comic specifically about "Grown Up Frisk" didn't exactly make it sound sane to me
>>4057449Berdly is very based
>>4057449MY FUCKING HERO
>>4057381Not even close
>>4057442that's the healthiest way of thinking about it
The girl is LOST in the DEPTHS of the site.It's like she's some king of Vessel...
>>4057400I'm gonna be honest, i find CoL kind of endearing
>>4057429To be fair it was a very shitty tranny janny move.
>>4057466Yeah but i don't think there's more to it than that. To assume it was done because of some secret female human hate campaign (god that sounds retarded) is absolutely schizophrenic
>>4057406He should've posted Noelle and you would be clapping.
>>4057460To be honest, if we assume from what evidence we have that the Vessel is its own character, then having the Weird Route be all about saving the Vessel at the expense of everything else is certainly an interesting angle for it.
>>4057468I don't care for Noelle thirsting either
>>4057468doetards haven't spent much of last thread and the one before it intentionally antagonizing everyone while having the biggest persecution complex on the planet
>>4057472From where did the idea of the vessel having a personality even come from?
>>4057268I think that every single daythen I come back the next day
where my krusie yurifags at?
>>4057447Yep, and him shilling "What if Undertale was realistic" video because it has Frisk as a literal genderless blob (male)>>4057449Berdly being completely RIGHT as always
>>4057474>HMOFAgs out of nowhere
>>4057478Hi.
>>4057475the absolute germ of it is in the char-creator itself, with being able to impart a specific gift onto the vessel that would probably otherwise be associated with soul color, and with the "what do you think about your vessel? (it will not hear.)" lineit's probably a sentient or semi-sentient being of its own but i also think one of the big tweests is going to be that kris is a vessel, not a natural human
>chapter 7 releases>load up your wr save for 7b>one of the first things you see is noelle lying on the ground>check her>"She was used up"genuinely unironically how the fuck would you react?
>>4057484>"why hasn't she turned into dust"
>>4057472How far will you go in your attempts to break the prophecy? How far will you go to finally meet your Vessel and become one with it?
>>4057467Even though there are schizo(s) that hate any female humans (as seen by that one guy immediately sperging out over Chara at the end of last thread when that thread was posted) I don't think the thread was deleted because of that either, but because OP posted the thread too early which made people report it.
Toby said that if you do the Weird Route three times in a row the Vessel will crawl out of the TV and suck your cock.
>>4057484THE DOE RAPE. THE DOE RAPE IS REAL.
>>4057482The thing about "colored with care" might end up being about how Kris was once a vessel that became a [real boy] through the love of his family and friends or whatever
>>4057480what do you mean out of nowhere? he is replying to someone who brought them up
>>4057484>"fucking called it">"can't wait to see the seethe on /v/ later lmao"
>>4057491yeah i think ultimately kris has some really fucking bad pinocchio syndrome and a very keen awareness that he wasn't "born" in the typical sensehonestly "you saw your mother holding someone else" could easily be a red herring and it's toriel holding the infant vessel that would later become kris
>>4057474If anything people antagonize anyone who posts FemKris first, it's just okay to lust over Noelle or any other furry girl.
>>4057484Call it lame because I expected she would be used up an hour into the Chapter.
>>4057492He's joking about that post describing HMOFAfags instead, it's a common 4chan joke to say "x out of nowhere" when someone unintentionally describes a group.
>>4057484The white robe was used up to open a big gate and reach a new location so i could see that being metaphorical for using up Noelle to go past the lake
>>4057472Spamton mentions the NEO body being the key to his freedom. His workout ready body. The Vessel is our workout ready body
>>4057497Being a human in a monster town definitely doesn't help it.Also,>pinocchio syndromeIt's amazing how Spamton applicability still hasn't been fully explored.
>>4057484I'm expecting Noelle to already be dead when we start the route, actually, with Kris barely hanging on until we reach the Vessel.
>>4057491the aces also ask kris to photocopy himself so they have someone to play with to me, that seems like an odd thing to tell someone who themselves is already a 'copy'
>>4057489With what mouth? Bitch is featureless.
>>4057510It'll create one.
>>4057505Spamton openly terrifying Kris, a character that is quite probably at the Knight's level of sheer danger on the down-low, with the similarity of their predicaments carries a lot of implications that I'm eager to see the next chapters and 7B follow up on
>>4057491Kris can't be the Vessel because he isn't a copy of anyone plus the Vessel we made is clearly grown up.
>>4057513*A* Vessel, not *the* Vessel you made in the char-creator
>>4057513Also Gaster saying "YOU'RE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE WONDERFUL" if you name yourself Kris.
>>4057509you can make a copy of a copyit's already a thing in the game>deltarune prophecy>deltarune religion>lord of the hammer>dragon blazers>cat petters rpg
>>4057484>Get up, Noelle. >Did you forget why you came here? To stop just being Noelle. To grow wings and fly away. We have to keep moving forward, for you to be free.>Even if we die. Even after you die.>Get up.
>>4057349>femkrisfags seriously act like they're oppressed when the wider fanbase regularly spews out this shitlol lmao
>>4057516I somehow misread this as "YOU'RE ABOUT TO SMELL SOMEONE WONDERFUL"
>>4057521Kris smells like apples so that's correct too.
>>4057484>"MY CHILD, PAPA'S FINALLY COMING HOME"
>>4057517Deltarune, too, is just a copy.>2011 Fever Dream (likely inspired by OFF)>Original Deltarune (scrapped)>Undertale>Current Deltarune (heavily derives from body Undertale and Original Deltarune)
>>4057468>He should've posted Noelle and you would be clappingHe should've posted Noelle AND Kris.
>>4057527How much of Deltarune do you think actually existed before Undetale? There's no way the 7 flowers were created before Asgore and the 7 human souls right?
I wonder if you could use the other Shadow Crystal bosses to deduce what the Knight is>Gerson is the physical remains of a Lightner revived as a Darkner>Spamton wants to use a Lightner’s soul to ascend, i.e. traveling between worlds while retaining the same form>Pink ???>Jevil ???
>>4057530Pink is a lightner and darkner fused as one.Jevil is just Jevil.
>>4057530I remember seeing a chart that went something likeStraight up just a darkner > A darkner using a body created by a lightner > A darkner based on a dead lightner > A lightner fused with a darknerThe idea is that the next optional boss would be straight up just a lightner
>>4057527what games do you need to play to understand deltarune again?>EarthBound Halloween Hack>Mother 3>Undertale>OFF>Brandish>Live A Live>Breath of Fire 2>Bahamut Lagoonthink those are most of them
>>4057527you're forgetting 2016 deltarune, which had evil queen, board 3, and different flowers
>>4057530Pink is a Darkner being possessed by a Lightner and trying to merge into one beingJevil is a Darkner but is a card (Joker) that specifically represents infinite of possibilitiesI remember a theory around Chapter 1 being that what drove him insane was having the meaning of "The Fool" from cartomancy impressed upon him by outside means, a card symbolizing new beginnings that broadens his infinite meaning even more and elevates him from the minor arcana to the major arcana
>>4057535Earthbound and Earthbound Beginnings are also mandatory consumption.
>>4057535
>>4057535All the first 3 Paper Mario games. Specially TTYD.
old man on the ‘log
>>4057535>Bahamut Lagooni fear a world where toby cites byuu as inspiration for kris
>>4057535>>4057541you're forgetting about YIIK, which is the 'very similar' game toby was talking about
>>4057534does the knight keep its powers in the light world? cuz who the hell is strong enough to carry undyne and asgore damn.
>>4057544i went to go look at it and ended up getting distracted by roll's ass, so thanks i think
>>4057337big berdly is my favorite
>>4057553It has to be the darkest part of the night, according to Ralsei, but it does keep its powers in the light world if the lighting conditions are right
>>4057529Toby already said in the newsletter they were made in 2016. 2012rune is just Chapter 1.
>>4057557I see
>>4057541Show me proof that Toby played Linda Cube and GPM, this is the first time I'm hearing of him playing those games.
>>4057418Chara lived on a diet of butterscotch cinnamon pies and chocolate. The Wall is guaranteed.
>>4057534That boss? Gaster with the blue soul.
>>4057484annoyed because I wanted Snowgrave back, and a little fearful knowing that Snowgrave is no longer an option for whatever hellish beasts reside in 7B
>>4057530I’m just cribbing this from a recent /v/ thread but it’s funny how Spamton showing interest in using the power of the SOUL is very underanalyzed despite the fact that borderline everything he says or does has some kind of future meaning
>>4057567That and him saying the weird route is the evil route are always completely ignored for some reason.
>>4057564Personally if a Gaster fight were to happen, i would like it to use all the soul colors. I think it would be a missed opportunity to not have a super long fight like that
>>4057567it threatens the "knight is definitely a lightner" assumption
>>4057583toby is designing the game for the lowest denomination of shitters if there is a gaster fight, don't expect it to be anything more than a glorified cutscene
>>4057582/v/ told me it was the based route?
>>4057588That was delusional doecoomers/HMOFAtards
>>4057588Duh. Don't tell me you prefer the NTR doomed by prohecy route?
>>4057589game's setting up the normal route to have a dogshit "rocks fall, everyone dies" kind of ending, so I dunno
>>4057582funny how Spamton's motivations change so abruptly in the Weird Route. It's no longer about the freedom or taking your SOUL, he's actually pretty comfortable with his super fighting robot and mansion he stole
>>4057583I don't see it because Gaster is only associated with Sans and Papyrus, and thus the blue soul.
>>4057588Well it's certainly more based than whatever bullshit is going on in the normal route, that's for sure.
I wonder what the reception of chapter 5 would be if pink and spamton swapped places. Because even toby realized he peaked with the funny email guy
>>4057603ch5 would go from being the weakest chapter to the second strongestch2 would almost certainly be seen as the worstpatternfagging likely would've not ever been a thing though, as pink and jevil are too different from each other to predict what the next crystal boss would be like
>>4057603How would you even go about swapping them. Would it mean Pink would kick off the Weird Route instead?
>>4057608It'd kind of force Pink to take a Spamton role and Spamton an inconsequential role of>HEY HEY EVERY !!!>IT'S ME>SPAMTON G. SPAMTON, [Also Known As] THE WHITE [Flowers for Sale!]
>>4057603Swapping them would require Chapter 2 and 5 to change a lot. I think 2 wouldn't be liked as much and the schizoboss concept wouldn't exist while Spamton would be less popular because he would come right at the end so his foreshadowing wouldn't hit as hard.
>>4057588Toby’s a charafag I wouldn’t be surprised if he unironically thought everyone who refused to the weird route was a giga faggot
>>4057607I feel like interest and discussion for the shadow crystal hunt would have a massive drop. Pink wouldn't have been interesting enough to fuel such levels of autism the same way Spamton did.Also the game would probably be worse if Spamton showed up that late, since he's on a completely different level of quality when compared to the rest of the game
>kris’s two options are being cucked by two dykes before inevitably losing his hand or raping his childhood friend and then drowning in a lake with herGRIM
>>4057603i can't even imagine how the sweepstakes would go in that scenario, like i really don't want to think about the spamton a spamton equivalent
>>4057603we'd have more mew mew porn, for startersand probably have fantakes where Napstablook shows up as a boss in Chapter 3 or something. Spamton would be really fucking weird, probably becomes Mike Trio level with his gimmick so late in the game. Sweepstakes doesn't happen.
>>4057621I guess the sweepstakes could have happened but i don't see Pink carrying an event like that the same way Spamton did
>>4057603>digital idol remembers my genoslides lol?
>>4057613Toby likes the edgy routes but Toby likes the wholesome routes where his sweet little chocolat is saved.
how bad do you think chapter 7 is going to be pacing wise?
>>4057635mother 3 chapter 7 is what toby is aiming for
>>4057603Pink would remain the nothingburger she is, Spamton would just be a lot worse because he depends on a context that only existed in 2 and 3.Now, swapping MANTLE and Spamton around would have done wonders for the game as a whole.
>>40576357b taking some of the load will ease things a lot, but it will either be>New Home and True Lab on steroids with critical plot points being delivered through monologues and walls of text multiple times>TADC finale that focuses on a few things (including shit nobody asked) while leaving a bunch of elephants unaddressed to the ire of the fanbase
>>4057635It'll be the longest chapter of the whole game but it'll still feel like it's rushing or dragging out in some places.
>>4057635i don't think all that bad in actuality if chapter 6 is mostly going to be set-up *for* it
>>4057647Toby had said years ago chapter 2 was supposed to be the longest.While 4 and 5 challenge that and he might be lying through his teeth like when he said Asgore was the final boss of UT, I don't see it happening. At most it would match ch 2 in lenght.
>>4057649Maybe I spent way too much time searching for pink coins but Chapter 5 felt longer than 2, and not by a small amount either.
>>4057652This sort of this is relative. I personally feel chapter 3 takes the longest simply by how much I hate the minigame and how it is a slog, even if the clock might not match that.
so we're getting a playable version of "that horrible day" right? that's pretty much the only reasonable explanation as to why the game actively refuses to give even the slightest bit of info on it
>>4057657>thinking we're ever going to know any character's backstory if susie doesn't ask about it, we'll never find out and that's only if (you)'re present when she does
>>4057657It's also the only way to have a good reason on why Kris is ripping out and abusing his soul to the point there's a bloodstain that Toriel doesn't give a singular shit about when (You) weren't in the picture until Chapter 1, it becomes a stable time loop when you're flashed back into THAT HORRIBLE DAY and suddenly hijack kid Kris.
>>4057595>game's setting up the normal route to have a dogshit "rocks fall, everyone dies" kind of endingYou just need 1 to make it past your teen years is all
>>4057567its honestly funny how even now how much spamton stands out among the other schizo bosses. jevil suffers a bit from early installment weirdness and toby just throwing shit at the wall, chapter 3 didn't really have a schizo boss unless you count eram, gerson was intentionally meant to be an "anti spamton", and pink was a fucking mistake. even if spamton got milked to death he still has a lot going on and has theme's the other bosses just don't
>>4057567No really it's crazy how the most obvious idea presented in the entire scene, that a darkner can achieve a higher state if they grab a human lightner Soul, has just been completely ignored by the fandom since 3 & 4 launched.
>>4057660the fact that susie knows how to clean up bloodstains is concerning
>>4057663people are gonna hate this line when it leads to a mandatory egg being given to all eggless saves in 6
is spamton even insane or does he just have 100% unfiltered truth beamed into his skull
>>4057673yes
>>4057673The former, honestly it doesn't seem like he actually has all that much higher knowledge beyond whatever precognition or intuition his over-the-phone benefactor gave him and then took away. He knows about as much about lightners and darkners as any other darkner seems to. Being dunked in acid and shrunk, or his own nature as a spam e-mail printed out and thrown into the garbage, seems to have done more for his psychosis than any gibberish he heard over the phone that made him successful
>>4057664I still think Jevil has the best schizoboss theme t b h.https://youtu.be/BZETROoSoD0
>>4057672temmie will give her the egg she had since the start
>>4057673I feel like it's the latter. He is by far the most woke (original meaning) character in the game
>>4057678He also has the best fight if we are purely talking about gameplay
>>4057679First you have to subscribe to Final Fantasy XIV and play with her
>>4057681yeah it honestly feels like chapter 1 and maybe parts of 2 were the only times the game actually tried being an earnest rpg. sparing and fighting where about on par (even if the game pushed you to spare), each character had a defined role giving stakes to losing even one, there were no random gimmicks and sparing didn't just consist of braindead minigames
>>4057664Have in mind how 2's shadow crystal boss was supposed to be only Mettaton NEO's body at one point.This way, what the original plan was, with the current information:>three fanservice bosses from Undertale (Mettaton NEO, Gerson + Undyne, Mad Mew Mew + Muffet)>two possible final bosses showing up early (Knight and Eram)>a single completely original character (Jevil)
>>4057664Spamton is a case where him getting milked so much got old for me but i completely understand why it happened. He IS the best character in the game
>>4057694Mad Mew Mew is funny as hell cause Toby just decided slide this "character" in a month before Deltarune
>both anthropomorphic birds with noodly limbs and one big eye>both exclusively shown in profile>"everyman" ~= "normalnpc"What's Toby's agenda here
>>4057669Given that the other assumptions Spamton was making about what would finally give him his Freedom fell through, I doubt that "higher form" would've been anything like Spamton implied.
>>4057475From the one vessel coomer who keeps spamming that stripper vessel picture and is ignoring all evidence, having convinced himself that 7B is going to let him marry his daughter
>>4057716I believe it
>>4057716I also believe in the Vessel having a personality theory
>>4057715Cruelest joke of all would've been Gaining Awareness In The Light World and it's just a spam e-mail in a trash bucket now possessed of sentience
>>4057022>"erm if you think we should stop spamming threads, then just report the spam threads">anons report the thread that was made 10 images before the limit was hit>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!"
>starting from chapter 2 defaults your vessel to the bald oneThis makes me skeptical about the inclusion of the Vessel in chapter 7B. I'm thinking one of the following will happen instead >kris continues being the main character>noelle becomes the main character>7b begins with a goner maker sequence so you can finalize your vessel
God, Chapter 6 is going to be such a shitshow, I can see it already. It better be out faster than 5, I don't wanna wait for a year for a guaranteed disappointment.
Why didn't Toriel clean the bloodstain? That shit literally makes no sense.
>>4057762>expecting a neglectful drunktard to act as a proper mother
>>4057764If Toriel was meant to be a shit mother, Toby wouldn't have damage controlled her at the start of chapter 5. She's meant to be a caring mom.
>>4057758the current hopium is that it'll be out first quarter 2027, but that heavily depends on if there's a nintendo direct scheduled for that period
>>4057765>a character cannot act different ways under different circumstances>she MUST be behaving differently because Toby is trying to make clear how I'm supposed to feel about her!!!
>>4057765Idk man. Totally not speaking from experience here but the start of chapter 5 felt exactly like how a bad mother tends to excuse herself.
>>4057765>he chose the wrong options toriel has no defence if kris actually gives her shit she cannot argue about, such as being too loud with the bone man and that it directly affected kris' sleep
>>4057765He didn't damage control her. If you picked "I got locked out" then you successfully fell for Kris's pity party despite having literally watched this cretin slip through a window at the end of Chapter 2, and rightfully so Toriel called you retarded.If you correctly picked "YOU WERE FUCKING ALL NIGHT LONG I COULD HEAR EVERYTHING AND COULDN'T SLEEP" then Toriel goes into full cope mode and makes up a very poor excuse as to what the racket was.
>>4057767I would hope that the nigger will not make us wait for another Direct and release the thing as soon as it is done. I get Toby wants to act like a big boy developer and have his games show up at the big Nintendo event but this shit is taking way too long, and it has stopped being cute a long time ago, I suppose I am asking for too much though, can't expect Toby to stop sucking Nintendo dick.I said I hoped it would release earlier than 5 but I would not be surprised if it was another June release, a more optimistic estimate could be April-May.
Kris is racist just like me
>>4057765>>4057774When Toriel asks for the toast I picked the option that said I was too busy and I didn't get any more dialogue out of her, I think that option locks you out of it unless I somehow missed something.
>>4057776Kris is a self-hating retard.
>>4057775yeah, it was hype with 3 & 4 because it had been nearly 4 years since ch2 but with 5 it was just toby being a corporate cuck, there was no reason to go radio silent for over a month and be so cagey about spoilers for chapter fucking 5
>>4057354my head hurts after reading that
>>4057768correct
Friendly reminder that the GALLERY prophecy refers to an area in Chapter 7 that's going to be full of direct artifacts and images from Undertale because Toby's not going to be able to resist pulling something similar to Mother 3's Empire Porky Building 100F.
>>4057786>we actually get undertale as a dark world, but it's just a 'best moments' museum like earthbound in m3the sad part is i can see toby doing it and people praising him for it
But who the fuck would be the Porky parallel?
>>4057792susie
>>4057792The only character that really fits Porky's whole thing is Flowey and he's not coming back for multiple reasons
>>4057797The closest thing we have to a self-obsessed destroyer character is the Knight, really
>>4057792>>4057797Asriel is Porky and Kris is Picky. They live next door to another family with two siblings. Dess is Ness theory confirmed. Rudy is phone
Nothing changed.
>>4057822Why now though?
>>4057792Lancer was confirmed by toby to have Porky inspirations>but Lancer isn't ev-Ralsei and Flowery are Flowey parallels despite being good, and the latter barely resembles flowey aside from his name and some leitmotifs
i miss this vibe for castle townwhere did the soft whimsy go?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl-YMD6yePc
>>4057832Dark Worlds stopped being comforting, simple as.
>>4057832It left when Susie decided Castle Town was her new forever home instead of an afterschool hangout spot.
>>4057833i don't mind the dark worlds becoming more intense, but when we were introduced to castle town there was a magic to it that has been lost as the chapters went onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CMw_xMB8bs
>>4057832Just don't get recruits if you want it to stay like that
>>4057835A few zones still have that comforting feel, but they're rare. Quiet Glade, Green Room, the place where it rained.
>>4057832>>4057835i think its because castle town is too cramped.>exactly five rooms outside of the castle, and only one has gotten slightly bigger. (main area, waterfall, dummy room, grand door, courtyard)>only have so much room to work with inside the castle (cauldron room, jail floor, lightner floor, boss floor)>have to fit four chapters worth of darkners in here, now five.its simply too much, more rooms should've been added with the chapters>cyber world, 4+ recruits creates a digi-board room for the chess pieces and cyberworld darkners (playing off of the gag the chess pieces reworking a part of castle town to be more like the grand board). branches off the right side of the main room>TV world, 4+ recruits creates a darkners live concert hall connected to the courtyard and digi-board (you can swap castle town tracks here. can choose between funky, empty, 'holy' town using the CH5 instruments, and my castle town)>church world, 4+ recruits creates a climbing challenge room that lets you go back up the cliffs (mr society and other reclusive darkners), branches off the left side of the main room. also includes the church building.>flower world, 4+ recruits creates a garden area north of the climbing area, and transforms the cliffs into the sunset cliffs if you got netskies.
>>4057762bloodstain is actually kris's period blood. normally toriel just locks kris up in the cage and beats her with a wooden plank when that happens due to being DRUNK and EVIL and a WHORE but that time kris escaped and toriel was too lazy to clean it up
has anyone here actually done the "no mercy route" as in just beating the shit out of everyone and not sparing anyone?
>>4057848it's completely pointless beyond making backtracking faster (since the enemies won't respawn, and encounters take a long ass time sometimes in pacifist)the stat bonuses you get are reset at the start of the next chapter anyhow
>five chapters in>only THREE characters have gotten major development>we don’t even know the motives for one of themi've said this before but what the fuck is Toby doing? Toriel slept through her chapter, Noelle’s a glorified side character in the normal route, Berdly’s done fuck all post ch2, Catti’s done fuck all period, Undyne immediately gets kidnapped, and Asgore just vagueposted. Undertale was significantly smaller and it managed to utilize its cast vastly better.
>>4057716He convinced me that SFB is about the Vessel so he isn't alone.
>>4057535>>4057540>>4057541>>4057543>>4057550Toby Fox's own peepee.exe (yes, I'm serious) is also mandatory material, it actually contains vital Halloween Hack lore that explains that Varik's very existence is the reason Ness and co. didn't return to their proper timeline, thus he is more or less wholly responsible for everything that went wrong, and in a sense even if the whole of Halloween Hack is a "haha your choices don't matter!" situation, (You) taking control of him is basically an attempt to damage control the mess.Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
>>4057850but the mystery anon think of the mystery and the theories!!!All those fans farming engagement with retarded theories!!!
>>4057848I used to but I gave up after getting locked out of the chapter 3 eggThere's no point, the game's obviously designed for you to spare everyoneHe should've just stuck to his original plan to remove sparing from Deltarune entirely, this doesn't work
>>4057753Every deltarune chapter except the weird route variations can be played without a previous save file. Whatever you do in the normal route literally won't matter, not even getting the eggs and shadow crystals, their purpose will be to provide context and lore reveals but the ending remains the same.
>>4057853peepee.exe is also very WR chapter 4 coded
>>4057848thats the only way I play
>>4057752This but unironically, you need to report the shitty threads with less than 100 replies instead of the active one.
>>4057753Why can't the main Vessel be the bald one though? Got something against bald fellas?
>>4057792Gaster.>>4057797Deltarune's version of Flowey is Flowery.
>>4057853Your possessions were RAPED and KILLED.
>>4057829>and the latter barely resembles flowey aside from his name and some leitmotifsFlowery was just the typical Flowey gijinka that people made back in the day, just search for "human Flowey" and you will see a lot of Flowery like designs.
/v/rune will turn Flowery into CoLery
>>4057433Even tumblr got tired of that eventually
>>4057484Throw the game in the trash.
>>4057876Yeah, a lot of those sexy drawings WERE from Tumblr, it's mostly new age xitter fans that hate it with a passion.
>>4057762Maybe the bloodstain had only been left a few days ago before the start of the game, or perhaps Kris had placed something above it to hide it and only removed it a short time before the game started.I got a theory that it may not even be human blood too, maybe it's the blood of a small animal that got squashed. Maybe a rat... or a hamster. We never did know what happened to Noelle's old hamster after all.
>>4057443These characters have been paradoxically suffering from a phenomenon where the more they're gender non conforming, the more the fandom is hostile to varied interpretations of the characters.Susie has been appropriated by lesbians, so she must only ever be a turbo butch dyke built like a fridge (and that's why putting her in a dress in chapter 5 made some people cry out this is literally lesbian genocide)Ralsei is now split between weird gay teenagers in their uwu soft femboy era and trannies who want his entire character to be twisted into validating their transitioning experienceKris has been mega appropriated by 16 year olds who hate their gender so much Kris is now a holy symbol of non binarism so every representation of Kris must be an active denial of being either male or femaleIronically, Noelle has the most varied expressions because even if she's a "lesbian" Kris can be used loosely to ship her with either a male or female representative depending on who you see it
remember when people thought deltarune was going flesh out hometown?
>>4057886I thought a lot of people were arguing the town felt deliberately fake even early on
Why do people think Susie is delusional for thinking that castle town is her home when it has been very strongly established that the dark worlds are real?Why do people think there will be a hometown massacre? Have you really regressed to CH1 era discourse?
>>4057889Because Chapter 5 also subtly sets up Susie being kind of mentally fucked. She didn't want to 'hurt' Noelle's phone, she calls light world money light dollars, and even she lampshades how the light world equivalent of sleeping in Castle Town is sleeping on the floor of a closer.Not to mention how her plan to deal with the final tragedy is to go:>Nah, I'd win.As if ignoring the problem and continuing on the same path is going t solve anything. At least the world will be saved.
>>4057889but they arent real thoughbeit
>>4057889>Why do people think there will be a hometown massacre? Mantle.
>>4057848Yeah. I'm just curious to see what it'll do.
Susie tastes so good when u ain't got a touhoufag from New Hampshire in your ear telling you he's going to yurislop her up
>>4057889sword routethe 74 songand because it would be funny and cathartic
>>4057889>it has been very strongly established that the dark worlds are realExcept for the fact that stuff that happens in them didn't really happen, or at best happened at like 1% of the intensity of what we "see" in gameplay.Sleeping in a cozy bed? No, sleeping on the floor. Eating a cake? No, eating some random dust particle that once might have been food. Attacking someone with a weapon? No, pantomiming an attack with a hairbrush or pencil.>but we can see what happens in them!The characters don't really feel it, though.
>>4057889>Why do people think there will be a hometown massacre? Have you really regressed to CH1 era discourse?Board 3 in Mantle, the Chapter1fags are visionaries.
>>4057889>why are people desperate for literal anything interesting to happen
>>4057869What would that entail?
>>4057899Stuff that happens in the dark worlds also happens in the light world.The church got wrecked and the gold flower was cut in half. Also the computers are frozen in weird route.>>4057898>>4057901Just like how there was an Asgore boss fight after killing the flowers, right?Just like how Undyne wasn't kidnapped, right?>>4057903A hometown massacre is not interesting. Are you 14 or something?
Bros I cant wait for chapter 6 its gonna be so kino when Noelle and Susie have fun in castle town together and weirdfags get 0 content again.
>>4057889It would be cool.
>>4057889>Why do people think Susie is delusional for thinking that castle town is her home when it has been very strongly established that the dark worlds are real?Holy retard. Susie is literally drowning in escapism. She doesn't like reality.
>>4057908I don't think it's gonna be straight up fun but I also don't think they're gonna go through through such a dramatic breakup that they will NEVER EVER be able to resolve it and get back together again. Conflict is inevitable, I just don't think this conflict will actually cause a permanent gap in Susie and Noelle's relatioship, unlike some people here believe.
>You know that things you like doing in rpgs anon? You, know, getting into battles and beating enemies up over and over again just by walking around? Well, you're hecking evil for that, anon, and you should have both your party members be cucks instead because you don't deserve to use magic spells, even though the game told you you got the magic spells!You know, I don't think people like that should be leading the charge on new jrpgs to play, just saying. They don't seem like they have the best intentions toward the genre.
>>4057907I think it would be cool, killing everyone in Hometown to get strong enough to face whatever is in the Shelter. Kind of parallels the weird route in 2 too, don't you think?
>Crusader of Ligma
>>4057907>Just like how there was an Asgore boss fight after killing the flowers, right?>Just like how Undyne wasn't kidnapped, right?All of that is happening in 7B newbuddy.
>>4057908Aborted WR 6 is legit going to be the most devilish humiliation ritual ever devised by Toby. None of you niggas are ready.
>>4057918Who gives a shit if it's at the very end of the game
>>4057913Theyre gonna become distant from each other and then in chapter 7 when its time to save the world they will kiss and all the darkness will evaporate out of the air and then everyone will gather around them and celebrate their love.
>>4057921>Sans be like
>>4057922Something like this is what I'm afraid is gonna happen.
>>4057923That gane was 3 hours long. Not 8 years long.
>>4057921Me.
>>4057921I care, I don't mind if it's at the end of the game.
>>4057922Thats basically the true ending of undertale minus the yuri.
>>4057925Only 8 years if you’re OLD
>>4057930I was 11 when toby posted survey_program
>>4057926>>4057927It doesn't justify the 5 years of bullshitting. 20 minutes of whatever cannot justify that, doesn't matter what it is.>>4057930I'm getting too old for this shit.
>>4057919Pretty much, everyone who wasted their time making aborted weird route saves is gonna see that there's barely no changes beyond having a couple different dialogues and the game is gonna play entirely the same, so you just recruits in 2, and possibly the egg in 2 if you went full WR until 5, for no reason.I have two aborted weird route saves(aborted at 2 and 5 respectively) ready for 6 by the way.
>>4057908Yuup. Ready for Round 2 of Kris in the chair cause he's a lil BITCH
>>4057932You're gonna be stuck on the Asgore + Six flowers boss fight for so long you're gonna think this Chapter is lasting FOREVER.
>>4057936Demand a refund then. Ntr doesn't belong in this kind of game.
>>4057937Not really, I beat Undyne the Undying on the second try, Sans on the fifth.How about an actual game to justify the nothing that was chapter 5? Where you actually do things.
>>4057939Wtf CoL is good at vidya?
>>4057938You misunderstand. The only part of this dogshit romance I look forward to seeing is how much Kris will suffer for it
>>4057938After going halfway through chapter 5 I requested a refund but steam denied it.
>>4057939If you want an actual game try Swapfell I Hate You. I think you're gonna like it.
>>4057942I dont, cuckshit is gross.
>>4057934I actually meant that there's going to be few changes and those few changes will be laser focused on humiliating both the player and Kris to levels never thought possible. Noelle is 100% going to resent Kris for pussying out at the lake, doesn't matter if it's a whole scene of a single line of dialogue.Especially with her dad dying/dead, she will be craving that escapism juice HARD but WE failed to escape with her.
>>4057907>church got wreckedKnight was there.>flower got cutKnight was there.>computers are frozenThe result of actions a regular person is capable of taking without exerting themselves or really thinking about.Stuff that happens in the dark world usually happens at ridiculously reduced intensity in the light world. The presence of the Knight has so far been the sole exception.
>>4057945And Kris is a faggot so I think he's got it coming
>>4057948what did Kris exactly do to deserve being cucked by his childhood friend and school bully?
>>4057944Isn't it just a demo, whats so great about it anyway
>>4057949That day when......... Dess....... she.......... ohhhh that TERRIBLE DAY......
>>4057915>You know that things you like doing in rpgs anon?Learning about the world and characters by paying attention to what the systems (encounters, stats, gear) are trying to represent about them?>no, you're supposed to be super attached to the abstractions used to make the world feel like it does and not care about the world itself outside of being a pretext for the abstractionsAh, you're a faggot.
>>4057949Be part of a some convoluted sekrit plan that involves kidnapping and sacrificing people and refusing to actually talk about his feelings just like CattiAlso he beat me up so he can go fuck himself
Asking ahead of time instead of waiting until everyone's talking about the upcoming CH6 release when Toby announces itIf I have a pirated copy of deltarune then how do I go about moving my data & saves to a new pirated copy of it?
>>4057955its they/them you chud
>>4057955Doesn't mean i should be forced to watch the cuckshit, it's gross, make it skippable during normal gameplay.
>>4057957He can go fuck themself
>>4057957ermmm it’s she/them tiddies
>>4057954I dunno about you, man, but literally the whole reason I got Dragon Quest 3 was to run around in dungeons and fight so many enemies that I don't even need to grind.
>>4057956Your actual saves are inside the AppData folder somewhere if I remember correctly, so long as they're there any pirated copy should be able to access it, no need to move it around.
>>4057964I can't imagine giving a shit about the act of running around fighting enemies without ever once engaging in what the mechanics are trying to communicate.
>>4057774i picked it just to be sure i was right in thinking he was lying
>>4057965Oh well thanks a lot for clarifying
>>4057967well i want to fight enemies, thats what i get games to do, to PLAY them
>>4057984I want to engage with the enemies via whatever mechanics the game lets me. If that isn't "fighting" specifically then I don't give a shit because nobody ever said that everything you want to do in an RPG should be accomplished by beating someone up.
>>4057981It's weird cause I thought everyone's beef was that Toriel didn't check up on Kris with like a phone call or something like she did in 1 and 5
>>4057987then it shouldnt lecture me about "holding back" when im not the one holding back
>>4057991>the game mentioning my self insert doing something is it lecturing MENo. You weren't supposed to self insert so hard that your ego was damaged by characters talking about the mandatory events of the story. Sorry your view of RPGs is so stunted you can't comprehend that.
>>4057950It's very cool and well made, I like Rik since they seem to be a pretty noble type of protagonist.
>>4057993>characters talking about the mandatory events of the storyThe final boss being pacifist ONLY did not need to be mandatory.>Sorry your view of RPGs is so stunted you can't comprehend that.It's a Role-playing game. Its in the name.
Femkris getting spitroasted by Berdly and Ralsei (Noelle likes to watch)
>>4058003>BerdlyNoelle would rather kill herself than let Berdly have sex.
>>4058002>the final boss didn't need to be pacifist onlyIt didn't need to be fightable either. Nothing did.>A role-playing game is a game where my ego goes unchallenged and whatever I think about the direction of the story is treated as objective truthNo.
>>4058005All the other final bosses were fightable
>>4058005And the least you can do is not deliberately hide information that my party members see and I don't. That is not necessary, especially after it took 5 years to get to that part, especially when the game acts like you did see it.
>>4058006What is "normal" is not necessary or implicitly good. Undertale made this point on a broader scale by pointing out that RPG norms weren't inherently good or fun just because the game has RPG systems. Deltarune takes it further.
>>4057541>Didn't put Undertale in there Is this list ironic?
>>4057337Dang, Kris is a big pile of floof.
>>4058005The game literally said you could fight everywhere it is advertised. If the game didn't let you fight at all, since you insist nothing needed to be fightable, that is false advertising.
>>4057541what did hotel mario inspire toby to do?
>>4057886>remember when people thought [literally fucking anything and then it turned out to be dead wrong]Yes.
>>4058007>it didn't need to hide information from me!You don't know what that information is, so you don't know that having it wouldn't hurt the story.>the game acts like you did see itNo, it doesn't.>>4058014>The game literally said you could fight everywhere it is advertisedIt said it contained fighting, not that you could fight everywhere.>you insist nothing needed to be fightableCorrect. If it was all sparing if the enemy was spareable and characters only had weapons for the occasional mandatory violent moment, the structure of the game wouldn't have to be altered at all.
>>4057337Twink death is such a horrible thing
>>4057541All of these games are much better than Deltarune btw. I have not played any Mother game or Linda Cube or Brandish, but the rest are great. I suppose I have to thank Toby for Moon official ENG translation. Also do not read Homestuck but listen to the OSTs
>/v/ jannies are letting an uma thread live just because it's also a chibi/localizer drama thread>fastest thread on the board AND has a deltarune gif in therei'm honestly kinda curious how long it'll keep on living
>>4058022>original dangly ropes on the listAnon, anyone who objects to the writing of Deltarune would probably have a seizure at shit like Kyoko's entire backstory, or Mukuro, you can't go around saying baseless things like that.
>>4058024Dangit Ronpaul has an extremely entertaining story even with all the retarded bullshit and it's further enhanced with the art and Masafumi Takada's OST. It is also a complete game you can play from start to finish and you don't need to wait 8 years for a conclusion or progress on the story.
>>4058025Deltarune will be like this in only a couple more years. You're currently aping out just because an unfinished game is unfinished, effectively.
>>4058023Quick somebody come up with some culture war drama so the thread can last longer!
>>4058010Doesn't matter, its my entertainment, you know, what I do for fun.>>4058019>No, it doesn't.ch4 ralsei telling you all about how he wants the ending to change, susie saying at the end of ch4 how they wont let the final prophecy(the ending) happen, Ralsei saying again how they have to avoid it>Correct. If it was all sparing if the enemy was spareable and characters only had weapons for the occasional mandatory violent moment, the structure of the game wouldn't have to be altered at all.I don't exactly want my entertainment taken away. You sound like you want my entertainment taken away. What I spend my money on is not your business.
>>4058026>Deltarune will be like this in only a couple more yearsNot really. People had wildly different expectations when the first chapter was out, further amplified by chapter 2 where everyone had a schizo theory. It will honestly never be the same.
>>4057990She did call Kris, though. She straight up says so at the start of 5.
>>4058028>its my entertainmentIt clearly isn't given how it does nothing but piss you off.>Ralsei and Susie implying that the final prophecy is horrible means the game is acting like you know what it is!No, it's telling you what you need to know about it: There's a good reason Ralsei had to editorialize the prophecy he presented in chapter 1, it ends terribly for the Heroes. That's what you know and that's what the game acts like you know.>you want my entertainment taken awayYour entertainment is "taken away" when someone breaks your delusions, so yes. I want you to stop being delusional.
>>4057359He's just hiding it badly. Done as to be sacrificed as "The Girl" at the end of normal route.
>>4058026Not him but I agree that the biggest problem with Deltarune is how long it's taking to come out. It's ridiculous at this point and really affecting my enjoyment of the game, at least for me. I honestly with I could refund the game but I already spent too much time on it.
>>4058030>people expected different things from Deltarune to where it's going, so it will never be able to be seen as a "wild entertaining story"...?
>>4058035Someone I knew that loved Undertale and was excited for Deltarune has pretty much phased out of caring about it. Imagine making a basic 2D gamemaker "RPG" and work on it for a decade. It really doesn't feel like it.>>4058036...Yes? What is there to be confused of?
>>4058038Why would you think people can only be entertained by what they expect?
The new Deltarune Theory Survey Review came out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueqbChPCIps&t=4775sThis time the hosts go off on ERAM being his own character and not FRIEND, despite that being confirmed, and also disliking object-less Ralsei despite that probably being the strongest Ralsei theory. Even if it isn't my favoriteAlthough they have some good Dess is not ERAM evidence I agree with, they just also think ERAM/FRIEND are the same person, some type of Gaster minion and ERAM being his own person is bad writting.
>>4058039Due to the episodic nature of the game, people have a set of expectations based on the information they were given the previous chapter and predict what cools things would happen next chapter. I expected we would've have different aesthetics in Chapter 3, like a sci-fi or Western themed TV set and how Toriel would've reacted to all this in the dark world and her relationship to Kris, but it wasn't what I expected and it was one of the most dreadful chapters to replay because I hate the minigames. Also, chapter 4 made it was too serious and I thought things would still get serious but then we got chapter 5. The idea of plants having their own forms in the dark world was a really cool idea but I only enjoyed two characters (Flowery when he stops being insufferable midway through and Aqua), it was also obvious this was pandering to the nips since Toby lives there and wanted more lolicon artists to make art for him.>"But Toby said one last fu-"Toby could've handled it much better. Chapter 5 felt like it should've been chapter 4 and vice-verse with the actual chapter 4. You can't really expect people not to have any expectations in an episodic release and just say "it's okay to wait for a decade to finish, trust the plan" or some bullshit like that.
>>4058044Let me clarify: Why would specifically the Deltarune the fandom imagined nearly a decade ago now be the only possible good and entertaining Deltarune? Am I the only one who found that era fun without really agreeing with or liking, much less getting attached to, the fandom's perceptions of where the story was going at the time? I didn't want Chara to possess Kris and then chapter 2 to be all about genociding the Undertale cast a second time. I was confused how many people not only wanted it but insisted it was all but confirmed.>You can't really expect people not to have any expectations in an episodic releaseYou can't pretend that I was objecting to people having expectations. I was objecting to the idea that those expectations not being followed was objectively bad.If you were hoping to accurately predict what "cool things" the next chapter would have, and are mad just because you were wrong, I don't see what that's supposed to say about Deltarune itself.
>>4057832I wish we could toggle what song plays there
>>4058044>>"But Toby said one last fu-"I hate seeing that excuse all the time, as if that absolves all the writing disasters that happened this chapter. There could be funny wacky adventures AND plot progression at the same time, it didn't have to be a one of the other thing.
>>4057908Chapter 6 isn't gonna have a dark world segment, it's all gonna be Kris trying to prevent Noelle from entering Castle Town. Berdly can come help too I guess.
>>4058043>This time the hosts go off on ERAM being his own character and not FRIEND, despite that being confirmed,It hasn't been confirmed though.
>>4058043>FRIENDERAM post patchGenuinely insane.
>>4058033>It clearly isn't given how it does nothing but piss you off.I'm usually in a better mood. When I'm playing the games I like. And that's not what I meant. One Rpg thinks it can say it has fighting only to force you to play pacifist, and soon enough they'll all do it.One Rpg has its fans tell you that role-playing is bad, then they'll all do it. or worse, they'll go back and change the old games to make it like that too. It's a slippery slope.Wow, just wow, I can't believe a fan of turn-based battle games like the turn based battle part of the turn based battle game. I can't believe that the fan of role-playing games wants role playing in the advertised role-playing game.That's not a delusion when that is what was advertised. Its not a delusion when other games provided in the past, because it exists.>>4058033I don't care. Toby Fox kept yapping about his one ending, I want to see his one ending, I don't want to avoid it if he kept talking about it. The game shouldn't act like that after he couldn't shut up about his dream ending.
>>4057946I think she's gonna have a spamton level meltdown where she sees the strings forcing to act as her normal route selfNO ONE CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE IN THIS WORLD
I really wasn't expecting a jab at the paleontological trends of the mid 2010's where people would makes hit up and assume it's correct because "you can't prove it didn't have it!" on Deltarune of all places
>>4058054>Chapter 6 isn't gonna have a dark world segmentSo who are gonna be the enemies and boss of the chapter then? They've been mentioned in the newsletter.
>>4058049>I was objecting to the idea that those expectations not being followed was objectively bad.Why not? Contrary to what people think of Toby, he does check for feedback and read fan theories and shit of that nature. Is it the audience's fault that they waited too long and exhaustively discussed the game and what to expect? Especially when the final product turned out to be subpar so far, and currently not as good as Undertale?>If you were hoping to accurately predict what "cool things" the next chapter would have, and are mad just because you were wrong, I don't see what that's supposed to say about Deltarune itself.Let's clear one thing here, I don't mind being wrong so long that the game still does "cool things", which I argue only chapter 4 does well post chapter 2. https://youtu.be/P6cmbsql2TQSeeing this scene was amazing and I love when Toby does shit like this. But chapter 5 didn't hit the emotional highs as the previous chapter and it was the worst chapter to follow up narratively after chapter 4. Also I will mention one thing to you that you might not expect but fan expectation will always be a thing on everything. If a fan was wrong but the final product turned out to be good it's all fine, whatever, but if the fan was wrong and the final product sucked then you can't really blame the fan's expectation. If some diehard Half-Life fan finally got a chance to play HL3 after all these years and he thought it was wasted potential, then no one can honestly blame him because developers kept delaying it over and over and fan expectation has risen as a result.
>>4058063I still think when toby decided to split the game up into chunks, with 3, 4 and 5 supposed to come together, he swapped 4 and 5 aroundthat's literally the only explanation I have for the downgrade in writing and tone
>>4058027You can make a thread about Materia thinking about suing Trump.
>>4058062Undertale style battle against monsters (acts only)Noelle is the boss obviously (multiple times)
>>4058055I take what Pink says ad Toby clarifying something fans missed out on. I don't think FRIEND was supposed to be as a big a mystery as it was, since in Chapter 3 we both see it act as a minion, and it's vending machine flavor text describe it performing service with a smile.So to me, Pink talking about simple minded cat creatures who act on the behalf of someone else, is a confirmation. Not to mention ERAM has a whole monologue and was probably active before Dess went missing. Although interestingly enough that means alongside Dess ERAM does have a timeline that would fit with him being the Knight, although I don't think he is the Knight.>>4058056It's a theory with the presumption that FRIENDRAM is working on behalf of Gaster, so in their minds ERAM and FRIEND can't be different characters since why would Gaster assign a mission to his subordinate, who in turn assigns the same mission to another subordinate.But honestly since ERAM is Mr. Weird Route and Gaster doesn't seem to have any active agenda, unless you assume ERAM's agenda is Gaster's, I don't think they're working together.
>>4058057>you can't say your game has fighting if you can't resolve everything with fighting>you can't say self inserting hurts your ability to process a story because all roleplay is self inserting>muh slippery slope!!!None of this is true.>I'm a fan of "turn-based battle games"So not RPGs, got it.>Toby Fox kept yapping about his one ending, I want to see his one ending, I don't want to avoid it if he kept talking about it.This is complete fucking nonsense, why do you want to see the ending, the culmination of his writing, if you hate how he thinks about writing?
>>4058064I think one of the issues he had was probably thinking "shit, I need to show something BIG for the gaymers!" and had the knight as the boss in chapter 3 and then chapter 4...Which I honestly think was a mistake. I think a lot of people would've been happy with the knight boss fight since it was a big fucking deal. Having to fight the titan in chapter 4 and then fighting flowery was just a massive dissonance that it made no sense to me. He should've planned the game better and his tale is probably a cautionary one of gimmick creeping and not designing the game from start to finish and making it up as he goes.
>>4058067>I don't think FRIEND was supposed to be as a big a mystery as it wasI already mentioned it, but if this is the case, then this is just one of the many headaches that could have been avoided if Deltarune was released all in one go, or at least lessened if it didn't take so long to release the chapters piece by piece.
>>4058067>It's a theory with the presumption that FRIENDRAM is working on behalf of Gaster, so in their minds ERAM and FRIEND can't be different characters since why would Gaster assign a mission to his subordinate, who in turn assigns the same mission to another subordinate.More broadly it's also that Deltarune already has a fuckton of different mystery men working in the shadows to accomplish... something, and having them all turn out to be their own characters would bloat the script with the need to explain what everyone's deal is. Makes more sense from a writing perspective that some of these seemingly separate figures will turn out to be the same person.
>>4058069>you can't say the game barely has any fighting, see there are these 3 encounters where you have fightingI can do that too. And how would you suggest I roleplay if I dont self insert?>So not RPGs, got it.Did I miss something? Last time I check, most Rpgs are that, are they not? I don't know any other kind of game where you take turns battling monsters and gain experience from doing so.>why do you want to see the ending, the culmination of his writing, if you hate how he thinks about writingBecause avoiding it seems like the game forcing you to play pacifist. It would be like if Undertale forced you to get the True Pacifist Ending.
>>4058063>Why isn't it objectively bad that the fandom's expectations weren't followed to the letter?Fucking huh? You serious? What, they discussed it a lot so they can't have been as wrong as they are?>Deltarune doesn't match up to Undertale so farNot to me. Even by ch1+2 alone I felt it was about as good. Anything beyond that is a bonus.>nothing past chapter 2 is cool enoughThat's personal taste. MANTLE was some of the coolest shit in the game.>fan expectation will always be a thing on everything. If a fan was wrong but the final product turned out to be good it's all fineAnd you believe Deltarune is doomed to never turn out good because it isn't meeting your tastes in an incomplete taste?
>>4058077>Why isn't it objectively bad that the fandom's expectations weren't followed to the letter?I never said this and I'm not going to take you seriously because it's clear you just want to waste my time. /vrpg/ so far is much lower quality in discussion compared to the average /v/ thread.
>>4058075I just don't think something being bad writing is an argument for it not being true. Besides that, FRIEND being a mindless minion is essentially FRIENDRAM but without the characters being literally the same person, FRIEND is just a mindless beast that works on behalf of ERAM.So in that conception there's not an additional mystery man, besides that I don't think we're gonna have all the mystery niggas explained to us anyways. The Forgotten Man just kind of came and went, giving Kris the eggs with little explanation, and their reveal is probably gonna be something about Kris, not the nature of the Forgotten Man.
>>4058083It's gonna be the Knight or Gaster. This isn't to say Rouxls or some other bosses won't show up, but the final boss is either the Knight or Gaster.
>>4058073>He should've planned the game better and his tale is probably a cautionary one of gimmick creeping and not designing the game from start to finish and making it up as he goes.No story outline survives the transition into an actual story unchanged. To a huge extent an author is always making things up as they go along. You have to adapt on the fly, which is what Toby isn't doing.Just consider for how long we've known that the story was meant to have seven chapters. That's not something an author says unless they already have a plan for their story. He decided a long time ago that there should be 7 chapters, that the plot should remain totally obscure until chapter 7, that chapter 5 should be a more lighthearted chapter between the serious chapters 4 and 6, and he's sticking to his guns no matter what even if the story doesn't benefit.
>>4058083Gaster.>>4058085Knight is killed during the massacre as seen in Mantle.
so the game hasnt even made a shot as to what would actually beat the knight
>>4058089Who the fuck is the knight supposed to be in Mantle
>>4058088He didn't stick to his guns with Mike.
>>4058090my peanus weanus of course ;)
>>4058090>snowgrave>my vessel after grinding to max level through killing all the monsters in Hometown
>>4058094that wouldnt be out of the questoin after the ntr, the games clearly not for kids anymore
>>4058095I don't even see the point in the vessel if you only get it at the end of the game where you go on the same linear path as every other part of it
>>4058097I don't give a shit if you don't see the point, I want it back.
>>4058098I dont want it back at the very end, its loo late to do anything of value at that point
>>4058088>To a huge extent an author is always making things up as they go along. You have to adapt on the fly, which is what Toby isn't doing.I disagree. Queen was supposed to be an actual villainess and be evil just like the king before he made her more funny/good later on. He had his fever dream of the ending in 2011-2012, rest of the journey is just him figuring out how to connect to that ending. If he isn't adapting on the fly, then the game would've finished much by now and not him cutting content because he didn't know how to make it work in gamemaker or making the JAPANESE THEMED DARK WORLD after he started to live in Japan around a year ago.
>>4058101Ideas changing over time isn't the same as making shit upA rough draft is not the same as the final versionYour argument is retarded as well since mew has been foreshadowed and mentioned for awhile in the light world, 5 being japanese themed was obviously always a thing because he's a huge FUARKING weeb
>>4058091The black monster with blue eyes that mirrors Kris's movements and then tries to attack him when you control it for a brief stint. There's a variable called "toriel" that hides its sprite with the black monster, its "normal" unseen sprite is a black deer. White Cloak similarly gets a brown deer sprite that the toriel variable flips over to its intended sprite.It's pretty blatant from datamining that Dess is the Knight, I think.
>>4058104Oh. Hmmmm, I suppose it could be that, yes.
>>4058101>>4058080I'm not saying that he's not adapting at all. Like I said, it's impossible to write a story without at least partly doing it on the fly. It's just that there are some points which he's determined not to change, like the seven chapter structure or keeping everything a mystery until the very end.
>>4058108Okay, but what does that have to do with ERAM?
Mother 3 was a bad game btw, it was nothing like the last one, and Earthbound was the better game.
>>4058110trvke.
>>4058109Misclick, didn't mean to reply to you
>>4057762>Why didn't Toriel clean the bloodstain? That shit literally makes no sense.Perhaps it has some sentimental value to Kris and they're gonna frame Susie cleaning it as something bad.
>>4058118I assumed she's just not actually a helicopter parent unless things get dire, she stops caring that Kris was gone the instant he says he's out with a friend in Chapter 1 for example. So, room cleanliness is Kris and Asriel's responsibilities, now Kris's responsibility, and if Kris wants that giant bloodstain there then so be it
>>4058091The black monster that is literally a black deer in disguise.
I want the Hometown Massacre to be real because I want to play as The Batter. No, I am not CoL.
I cannot WAIT for more Suselle content. I LOVE the fact that this wholesome lesbian romance is what the whole game has been building towards. Susie and Noelle WILL beat fate with the power of their true and perfect yuri love and Kris will watch from the chair while his childhood friend crush gets stolen by his bully.
>>4058131The way suselle is handled in 6 will decide if I'm actually going to bother with 7 NR or if I'll just go straight to 7B and forget about the game once I'm done.
>>4058078I said>I was objecting to the idea that those expectations not being followed was objectively bad.You asked>Why not?Compiling that, we get "why is it not objectively bad that the fandom's expectations weren't followed?"
Why is Ralsei seemingly so secretive about his true nature when he was about to reveal it to Susie in chapter 3 before she interrupted him?
>>4058138Because if you knew that Ralsei was actually Asriel's old cum sock that Kris used to drink from the whole prophecy would derail and destroy the world or something.
>>4058049While Deltarune keeps hyping up shit that never happens?Why show Kris going Chara?Why mention Mike?Why call Tenna a criminal?Why show Asgore that big in the boss prophecy when you never fight him?
>still seething about Mike in the year of our lord 2026
>>4058131This is bait.
>>4058142>Still sucking Toby's cock for not writing any satisfying payoff to ANY of his setups.The Mike bullshit is just a microcosm of Deltarune's spiteful writing.
>>4058138He already told Susie offscreen so there's no reason to explain it again.
>>4058145Mike is still in the setup phase bro, or were you blind everytime Tenna talked about him in Chapter 5?
>>4058143Wow, there's no way I could've know that! Thanks, anon!
>>4058142>does not call out anything elsetoby cocksuckers are something else lmao
>>4058145One year later and those retards still don't get it. It was the cherry on top of the wreck that was 3+4.I really don't get it because UT and 1+2 rarely was written that way.
>>4058153It's your fault for having high expectations anyway. As punishment, you are subjected to doe /ss/ molestation for a year.
>>4058155>As punishment, you are subjected to doe /ss/ molestation for a year.Punishment?
>>4058140Kris is the Deltarune equivalent of Chara.Mike is someone who disappeared and whose role got filled.Spamton had an extremely biased perspective on Tenna.There is no such thing as "a boss prophecy".
>>4058155Incredible how "doing chapter 2 again" is considered this unreachable standard.
I like Chapter 2 because it’s the most unserious chapter and it tickles that funny bone
>Friend is all over the Mike room>Pippins Mike complains about getting bit by the catsHMMMMMMMMM
>>4058152They're never gonna admit all the times the game has been intentionally misleading
>>4057505>It's amazing how Spamton applicability still hasn't been fully explored.always relevant never proven wrong
>>4057505>>4058163He's the best character in the game for a reason
>>4058159Chapter 2's actual story was just okay, but it was clearly elevated by Spamton and finding out about snowgrave in real time. The fact that Spamton is still the best schizo boss in the entire fucking game by a large margin is somewhat of a tragedy, and it's the only chapter where the name "weird route" make sense with how much you're manipulating Noelle into killing every enemy and then nothing like that ever happened again in future chapters. So many things were setup with shit payoff or none at all.
>>4058165People don’t like it when you criticize the golden goose chapter here but quite frankly Chapter 2 really did do a pretty bad job at conveying what would actually happen in the future, like Noelle was handled so poorly in narrative importance that a good chunk of people thought every chapter would be some new character of the day who gets weirdgraved (for more porn)
>>4058165>Chapter 2's actual story was just okayOnly the flower bs managed to somewhat replicate the Queen and Berdly bullshit, and no one has got close to how well done Papyrus's shenanigans were.But I guess some here simply can't appreciate this sort of stuff.
If you like Deltarune Chapter 2 so much there's Lambdarune, a Deltarune fangame based around fandom concepts, theories and predictions for Chapter 3+4 that we're made during the Chapter 2 era.
>>4058171Is it good tho?
>>4058171just wish that was a full game instead of just short segments
>>4058167>a good chunk of people thought every chapter would be some new character of the day who gets weirdgraved (for more porn)it would've been kino tho
I miss Lancer
>>4058167What ch2 conveyed is that the entire game would follow the UT structure, in which you go through a series of set pieces with some funny guys and expected patterns, until the game locks in at the last portion. Only 5 was like that again.
>>4058174>Temmie weird route is just curing her retardation through murder>She comes out the dark world speaking fully legible sentences
>>4058174>Jokington just has slightly more sturated colorskek
>>4058125CoL wants to play as the Batter?
I still believe that theory saying that Toby is actually improvising the game instead of actually making it based on a predetermined script is real and will get vindicated when he finishes the game and admits he was just cooking up bullshit
>>4058186He already soft confirmed charging his mind in the way through dev in the last newsletter.
>>4058188Where exactly?
>>4058186i think he has a rough outline for each chapter but all the dialogue and flavour text is purely based on vibes, yeahsome weird lines in ch2 and 4 make more sense with that in mind
>>4058186Everyone cooks up sum bullshitSome of it you write down beforehand and other times you might just switch or change some ingredients around, especially if they've just been sitting in the back for years.
>>4058185He acts like him.
>>4058179Ch2 was better the more liberal it got with the Undertale "formula".
>>>/v/745560634>survives just by being slow enough
>>4058205it's been known for a while now that one of the way janny tracks threads is to check what the fastest ones arethe slower the thread, the less likely it is to get targeted
>>4058205I told you anons, it was the activity speed that gives it away. Lazy bastard probably just monitors 4stats all day
>>4058205Slow and steady somehow did win the race
>>4058205Yeah, genuinely it being slow helped it survive, plus it was very comfy and drama free.
>Porn starts getting posted and then the thread gets deletedNow, i'm not claiming anything of course, i just found that curious
>>4058174This would have been shit in so many different ways that I'm convinced people only shill for it out of contrarianism.
>>4058214it was archived naturally at page 10
>>4058205That shit is hilarious because a thread being too active giving the jannies the idea that it is not a regular thread just speaks to how fucking dead /v/ truly is
>>4058205>turtling is the best strategy
>>4058205>read through the thread>one of the lowest quality threads in a while and half the posts are just bickering over the moderationcool
>>4058216Oh i'm so used to them getting deleted on page 10 that i didn't notice. my bad then, excuse my schizophrenia
>>4058221>and half the posts are just bickering over the moderationBased, zased even
>>4058199He does?
>>4058225who's address is that?
>>4058214The thread was naturally archived but that's just a furfag schizo doing it.
>>4058215getting new party members over the course of the game is pretty standard fair for RPGs and and chapter 2 did set up this expectation with both noelle and berdly as well as toriel being shown to be apart of 3's dark world. but nah fuck it having noelle as a party member was just a one of purely to justify the weird route and toriel just sleeps through all of 3 cause thats clearly the most interesting thing toby could've done with her character
>>4058221It wasn't really that bad but I guess you're just salty you didn't participate in it.
>>4058205>the jannys only hated deltarune threads because they were reminder of how dead the board otherwise is
I wonder what the room full of White goat monsters in Mantle 3 means for 7B.Is it parallel for killing Toriel and Asriel? A parallel for every person in Hometown that's too weak to put up a challenge? A parallel to CastleTown?
>>4058205>>4058233I told you niggas, they hate it when an unpaid thread performs faster than the other astroturfed threads because it tells the advertisers that they're wasting their money on a dying site.
>>4058234Best Noelle scene btw
>>4058235maybe toby should pay me to make threads for him theni could make him millions with all the femkris' i have to bait engagement
>>4058234Parallel to Kris killing Ralsei in every possible timeline. Over and over again.
>>4058229KEK saved
Can you niggers be fucking discrete and not mention the stealth threads?
>>4058234Kris created the dark fountain of this world, so I guess Mantle may have contained repressed feelings from Kris, going deeper at every new part of the game.Killing everyone from Hometown, especially after "trapping" them in the shelter, could be one of his darkest wishes. Doesn't mean this will happen though, you just get to know another facet of Kris's personality, against his will.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgMha7mBgpAI haven't checked to see if it's been posted yet but I have a new favorite Knight theory
>>4058243it's probably the discord kittens alerting their janny how obsessed do you have to be to prowl around in a thread you don't janny for to get tip offs for on topic threads on a different board
Can you imagine wasting years of your life on one ship and then it's ruined forever? RIP artist
>>4058239Not just femkris, we could make tons of engagement with gender discourse over the entire KFC trio.
>>4058247the HMOFA agenda will save this man, we must
>>4058247That artist is the only one that draws Susie appealinglyPeople either draw her as a big potato sack or a butch (man with tits)
>>4058245I did watched that video and while it's cool, I think some people will go insane that it wasn't Dess this whole time.
>>4058245While having an actual Susie and Ralsei fight in the Weird Route could be fun, I also think having them unceremoniously killed would be fun if Ralsei realizes he could have done something to stop it but it's now too late, just imagine him in shock at seeing Susie die.
>>4058245Also said role depicts him using fire magic for stuff.No fucking excuse for Ralsei
>>4058251But that's the beautyIt was still her this whole timeI will say I'm a little unconvinced but one part that bothers me is that if the shadowmen aren't literally darkners made of shadows then what the fuck were on the Dreemurr windows?
>>4058245I thought Ralsei holding back was his form of defiance
>>4058249The HMOFA agenda has failed him...>>4058250>That artist is the only one that draws Susie appealinglyAgreed. His doujins are extremely cute.
>>4058256>doujins Sauce?
>>4058247>Can you imagine wasting years of your life on one ship and then it's ruined forever?buddy i don't have to imagine my ship was doomed from the start
>>4058248Chara gender discourse alone would be potent, you can unironically argue that Chara's supposed to be a girl because Asriel very clearly has romantic attraction towards her, and since she's toxic as hell it means she'd be in line with the fact that there are no healthy straight relationships in UTDR aside from joke characters or Soriel (which gets away with it because it's gigidigi's favorite ship and also cucks Asgore).
>>4058258No ralsusie will be real I promise
>>4058259don't forget toby's words about chara (and frisk) in the 10th anniversary i don't think anyone would call a boy their 'little chocolat', and of course the girl x girl dating tutorial with frisk and alphys
>>4058257>Sauce?https://exhentai.org/g/2058381/fb6513c32e/https://exhentai.org/g/2598522/f804cd8820/Enjoy my nigga.
you think toby's aware how much people hate suselle? pretty much the only defence people use for it "dude two girls kissing" and that the other main ships are "straight washing"... while also insisting that krusie and kriselle are actually yuri but who cares about consistency
Personally the only thing stopping me from leaning in on Ralsei if Susie's just going to hang out with Noelle the whole fuckin' time is that I'm unsure if Kris even likes Ralsei beyond>yeah he's aightDoes Kris lean at all towards Ralsei if you choose his options in five (5) chapters?
>>4058263He definitely knows, but he also doesn't care because he has the "even if only a few people like it, I win" mindset.
>>4058249>man>>4058256>hisSSKomu is a chick my dudes. What was her reaction to the recent chapters btw?
>>4058258How do people ship Ralsei with anyone? He is just not build for shipping at all. He is like several Lego sets mixed together and strewn across the floor, and the instructions for all of them are long lost or thrown away.
>>4058263>you think toby's aware how much people hate suselle?I don't think Toby is aware of anything tbqh. He is too busy reading jap tweets.
>>4058266Even worse, this woman is fucking drowning painfully in yuri and she's one of the best Kris x Susie artists out thereGod help us from the fag agenda
>>4058264kris can hug ralsei unprompted at the end of ch4 if you tell him it's ok not to smile there's also some subtext where kris wants ralsei to just be his own person instead of forcing himself into a a role
>>4058263Not only is he aware but this time it seems to be rather the point that it's an unnatural and forced mix-up
>>4058264yeah ralsei's love for kris is really fucking sus when you remember that ralsei likely both knows about kris being a traitor and about (YOU) making his love feel more like a desperate attempt to stop the two of you from going full retard.>Does Kris lean at all towards Ralsei if you choose his options in five (5) chapters?kris says "my happy ending is with you" AFTER being horrifically cucked by susie and noelle both of whom he still has feels for. so you tell me
>>4058268nah, toby's aware of a good chunk of what the fanbase is thinking/ feeling he just pretends he doesn't as to not clue people in that he's watching/ seething at the reception
>>4058269Didn't she draw Femkris too?
>>4058247It's not too late to invest in Kriselle. You should have done so back in Chapter 2.
>>4058272But IIRC that option's also paired with>drink up the waterwhich Kris seemed to do with just as much enthusiasmI guess because Ralsei was in it?
>>4058274Yes, even a FemKris doujin, too.
>>4058277I will need a link to that one urgently
>>4058275kriselle stocks were at an all time low in ch4 only to rocket straight to the top in ch5it's a very volatile market
>>4058277>it's too late, they got herAIIIEEEE
>>4058266>SSKomu is a chickI see, my bad.>What was her reaction to the recent chapters btw?She hasn't tweeted that much because apparently she's busy with life and she's having surgery for one of her retinas. I feel like the Japanese have so many health problems it's crazy reading about them, like a manga artist that recently died from cerebral infarction. It's sad.
>>4058259We already know anything involving Chara causes massive asshurt, engagement and schizophrenia from experience here so the jannies are missing out on their sweet sweet kromer here
>>4058267personally i shipped ralsusie due to finding their core dynamic endearing and the fact that they have a surprising about of major emotional scenes together. they actually get to act like themselves around each other instead of twinkbait and lobomized lesbian respectively with their "canon" pairings.
>>4058280She had that headcanon for awhile, she even explained her own personal headcanons for the humans years ago. She does prefer male Kris though and recently she only draws manly Kris if that makes you feel better.
>>4058243People only talked about it after it archived though.
>>4058291i'd hug that chara
>>4058291>Not shota friskNot everyone is perfect...
>>4058290This is way better than Suselle
>>4058295papyrus...
It's funny that Toby developed this game with a parallel weird route due to his anticipation that the ending of this game will be so horrific to the players that they would do anything for an alternate ending.But now at chapter 5 I only have weird route saves because I want to avoid his terrible romance plot.
>>4058298I think the Weird Route was his dream game and not the NR like people think
>>4058267People wouldn’t say this if Ralsei was a human
>>4058261Based nips BRAINWASHING Toby to follow their headcanon.
>>4058298The weird route was the ending he saw from the beginning.The original plan was "one ending" that you always averted into another "one ending". Hence the apparent uncertainty. He decided to make the normal route fully playable at some point probably making ch1.This is what I believe at this juncture.
>>4058291Male chara fucking SUCKS anyways
>>4058234I can't believe it took me this long to realize those things are meant to look like Toriel's head. They always looked like mothman to me
>>4058297Papyrus is a BASED lolicon though.
>>4058290no girl can resist the fluffy 12 inchesnoelle will make an exception for ralsei when she starts the genocides in ch6
>>4058281Damn, that sucks. Hope she ends well, I realized she hasn't draw that much at all.
If anyone has the tools to do so it would be interesting to see how much of this board's activity is deltarune or undertale related in a percentageMaybe observe how many replies UTDR threads get (yes, even counting the fangame general) in comparison to unrelated postingIt's pretty obvious we're like 80% but ultimately that is just an estimate. It'd be useful to have an actually solid figure
>>4058290Hey for chapter 5, you could add Ralsei specifically praying to the Angel for Susie's safety. Maybe because she's in dire shit now as the Girl(tm) replacement, also because he likes her. A lot.
>>4058303I believe toby when he says "one ending" because we already refer to UT's "neutral route" as a singular ending regardless of how you got there>asgore dies>you get an exposition phone call from sans>flowey shows up to talk to youSo to, i think that SideA and SideB will both end with "the girl" dying and Castle town being sealed.MAYBE the sword route will give us a true ending.
>>4058295>Loli FriskKomu is perfect.>>4058304This but Male Frisk.
Normal route will obviously have a mainly positive ending because why else would this guy tell us to make a new future and hype us up after beating the Knight
>>4058312i believe the 'one ending' will entail the world being covered in darkness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snyWVFZBFBM
>>4058310If you remember our first Pirate Gaster after the Great Honey Pot, there have been over 50,000 posts on this board made since that OP
>>4058310Just look at the fact each post is literally just one number apart from each other. Everyone in this board is posting here.
>>4058317Most obvious Gasterism in the song by the way
>>4058310https://4stats.io/>1.33PPM>top five threads are all UT/DR>0.50PPM>0.39PPM (T: 0.89)>0.19PPM (T: 1.08)>0.13PPM (T: 1.21)>0.10PPM (T: 1.31)>next threads are 0.02, 0.02, and 0.01now there's some margin of error with how 4stats rounds things, but in other words we're nearly all of this board's traffic.
>>4058304toby messed up making 'murderboy' look androgynous, and ironically it's the boy side chara lacks in because you've REALLY got to suspend your immediate connection of 'permanent blush = girl' to even think that wayi mean there's a reason it always comes back to 'murderboy' when that argument comes up, because without that name half of them wouldn't even think it
>>4058230That's DYNAMIC furfag for you
>>4058328To be fair plenty of male characters in earthbound also have blushes
>>4058295chara…
>>4058296>I'm just... listening to your heart beatinghoneyed words of a harlot attempting to live out her sick fantasies>Susie is so nice, It... makes my heart hurt.Kvno heartfelt realization of a no longer lonely prince that the time spent together has enriched their lives and helped them grow as people
>>4058327Fucking lmao
>>4058295dess…
>>4058328>because you've REALLY got to suspend your immediate connection of 'permanent blush = girl' to even think that wayi think that's a you thing
>>4058325It’s funny that some people here look for any and all signs of Toby making rewrites but going from definite “one ending” to adding a question mark elicits zero interest
>>4058328I like girl Frisk and Chara but Chara's blush is a mother reference, I don't think Toby thought people would see it as feminine
>>4058247Good, Susie is way more interesting as a tragic villain than she is as a love interest
>>4058291I wonder which artist sees all of them as girls...
>>4058328>you've REALLY got to suspend your immediate connection of 'permanent blush = girl' to even think that wayRalsei’s a woman?
>>4058335Deltarune rules the board.
>>4058334at least Ralsei’s completing Susie for an actual trait of hers instead of some vague bullshit like “her heartbeat”. And even then they at least actually impact each others arcs making all the affectionate shit feel earned which is such a low bar that Suselle STILL manages to fumble
>>4058338People were guessing since Chapter 1 that you'd be able to subvert the "only one ending", is the thing.It's Deltarune's "kill or be killed" right alongside "your choices don't matter".
>>4058333Chara likes loli Frisk and shota goat though.
>>4058349Suselle's problem is that it's literal prophecy propaganda, she's being influenced to fixate on Noelle's heartbeat in order to fuel the pairing because love MUST find its way to the girl so the final tragedy can be put into place, and because it's the FINAL tragedy, it MUST be the most painful tragedy, which includes cucking everyone who does have better reasons to be attracted to Susie than "oh my god I want her to crush my spine."
>>4058346i mean, if you asked the rest of the fanbase...
if Ralsei hates Orange so much why doesn’t he simply overpower and rape her? Is he gay?
>>4058278https://3hentai.net/d/504090
>>4058359If he did that Flowery would rape him.
why didn't you save her, anon...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii0WU8MHo4w
>>4058359>Is he gay?it's a little early for stupid questions
>>4058344Probably some sort of porn artist if I had to guess.
>>4058359You shan't be gay if you're anti-transhuman. I didn't realize how based Ralsei is actually.
>>4058359it wouldn't fit, he's far too big
>>4058360Nice.
>>4058367Yeah, but the flowers can change their forms freely. Ralsei just has to pressure her to make it so her comically small "human" vulva can handle every single inch of girthy goat penis.
>>4058247If you're a real shipper some canon "suggestion" won't stop you.
>>4058371Nobody here is an actual pure blooded A03 shipper, anon.
>>4058352What will be Deltarune's parallel to the final "So don't kill and don't be killed"?
>>4058375'if you kill your enemies, they win'
>>4058375"Don't forget......and don't ship my characters, that's gross."
>>4058373Ah, even here nothing but larpers. Well, ours act like delusional fags all the same.
>>4058377"If you kill your enemies, all your friends will be killed by the metaphysics of your world"FTFY
>>4058375You can chose who you are in this world.
>>4058375Only YOUR choices matter.
>>4058384SideA>>4058378Side B>>4058386Twisted Sword
>>4058373Did somebody say AO3?
>>4058388Only your choices matter is Side B because the Twisted Sword doesn't exist.
>>4058391Twisted Sword Route*
>>4058316The same gut that doesn't tell you how to get the shelter codes or actually deal with the knight or show you the final prophecy?
>>4058391The twisted sword route HAS to existThat's not to imply it will have any payoff before ch7
>>4058397>The twisted sword route HAS to existIt doesn't, it can simply be an item like the shadow mantle that exists to make a fight easier. It doesn't even need to have you abort the weird route to get it, you could simply be able to get a thorn ring in 6 or 7.
Do you think mods here will end up playing /OUR/ game? They probably only monitor those threads. I bet they would get curious at some point.
>>4058400>you could simply be able to get a thorn ring in 6 or 7.I don't think you will be able toThere's already code in the game for the "Rose Ring" which "has the thorns facing outward" And that makes me think the Thorn Ring will never again be available to us after ch2.The Sword also has the Trance Down effect which is sure to be important at the climax of the game
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>>4058375THANK YOUFOR CHOOSINGMY DELTARUNE
>>4058357>suselle is so dogshit people unironically believe it required literal brainwashing to happen kek
>dess is such a ferocious predator that not a single human is safe>kris? ground zero>frisk, chara? both molested>FANGAME humans? thats why she left in the first place
>>4058401No, but /v/janny basically knows the entire Deltarune lore now because of us.
>>4058401janny 100% has played deltarune as last year he started sniping stealth threads that only some who has played the game would be able to clock
>>4058411Chara would never be molested by a Monster.She was only raped by the humans in her village.
>>4058411>>FANGAME humans? thats why she left in the first placeWe only like the canon flower tobycore humans here.
>>4058405But you can't know that, you can't say with absolute certainty that you will not be able to get a thorn ring in either 6 or 7, which means the twisted sword route doesn't have to exist, it can exist, but it doesn't have to exist.If you want to know my opinion, I just find it very, very strange that, Spamton, a darkner based on a computer program, who lives in Cyber City, a dark world all based around hardware, software and the internet, got hold of an item that is part of a plant, and it's an item that you never see anywhere else in the game. I just find that really, really weird, and basically the only explanation that would make sense to me is that he somehow got the item from another place, specifically another dark world. Now, I will also provide an explanation that takes this into account, but also explains why the Thorn Ring might be a Chapter 2 item. It could be that the Thorn Ring is simply a corrupted Gilded Rose, Spamton got hold of one, somehow corrupted it, and it turned into the Thorn Ring, that could happen, but I cannot say it with absolute certainty.
>>4058416you? sure.but dess' depravity knows no bounds
>>4058410If the goal is to stop the doomsday of the prophecy from happening, and Knight clearly doesn't want to cause The Roaring, why don't they just... NOT make Dark Worlds so cataclysm never arrives?The moment you start wondering things like this is the moment you have to accept that the prophecy is literally manipulating everyone to keep itself in motion.
>>4058410Suselle fags got what they asked for and they now they have to cope with it.Kriselle fags have been feasting What's even better is that Susies character has degenerated so far that it killed off all Kris hate.In May, there were tons of posters who excited to get rid of Kris and reclaim their vessel but all such discussion has gone quite.
>>4058407yeah
>>4058415This but Frisk would never be molested by anyone, she molests Dess instead
>>4058420Deltarune is a Deterministic UniverseThat's why the conspirators can only try to subvert the prophecy instead of stopping it
>>4058420Because making Dark Worlds is part of their plan to kidnap people for some reason. No brainwashing needed.
>>4058417might be a Chapter 2 only item*
>>4058424Is >you can't "just" defy the prophecyReally a revelation to anyone though???
>>4058215I do think there'd need to be a hard cap of guest characters total throughout the whole game, and I can't justify any adults waddling behind someone who's still a little kid at the end of the day. But I'm still sad that characters like Catti get to do fuck all. Besides her, there's a handful of characters who seem to not really matter that much the further we get into the story despite initial impressions. And that might be on me for getting ahead of myself, but the game doesn't really tell us when I'm wrong until after it happens The Flower Man panel in particular was a misdirection on purpose.
>>4058409But i hated your deltarune it was gay and subversive
>>4058262Sitte no longer existe
Does anyone else feel like chapter 7 will be like the meta world from Baba is you?
>>4058453>he is unaware
>>4058453>he doesn't know how to get into sadpanda
>>4058453oh no no no no
>>4058174Who the fuck wants to see Snowy in the dark world
>>4058444That and the Chapter 1 ending are the two biggest misdirections in the game by far.
You know considering /v/ is on fire right now with the GTA6 leaks, we could probably make a thread and go unnoticed.
>>4058451>plays the game from the guy everyone cried about being a "subversive faggot" because he dared to make the characters sad when you kill them>surprised at "subversion" that's been going on since the demoSusie wanting to brainlessly commit violence was bad in-universe because she was ignoring the feelings of individuals who were trying to communicate them, and out of universe because it represents the retarded player mindset of "this is an RPG, so I'm supposed to beat everyone up and move on" that made people cry about Undertale so much.The game was never on the same page as you about how your party members "should" act about their quest.
>>4058438Half the fandom thinks the game will be about Susie defying the prophecy will the power of lesbians and friendship and Ralsei defying the prophecy with the power of transitioning.The prophecy is written fate. Things happen because of the character's motivations, goals, and actions align exactly with what's going to happen so they aren't being mind controlled by an otherworldy entity, it's their own actions they own that have been recorded in the future tense.
>>4058465don't really feel like it
>>4058444I said Alvin was a irrelevant fuck since Chapter 2 and I was proven right every single time.
>>4058476but what if...
>>4058465Stealth thread to be optimal or blatant thread to be funny?
>>4058465You can make such thread yourself, my friend.
>>4058480Sneaking SUCKS
>>4058480>>4058481Look >>4058479
nvm I see it
Susie needs to start taking her meds.
>>4058472I mostly agree. So far the game hasn't done much to confirm details yet but it does SEEM like if you push things off track without going "far enough", the prophecy's influence is willing to get more heavyhanded. The big example is the aborted weird route in 5, but that explicitly doesn't seem to have been a complete mind wipe, and aside from that, there's mundane explanations for the inconsistencies in Susie's attitudes and opinions.But still, the fact that we've seen the prophecy veer entirely out of plausibility and teleport the actors back into place, mid-scene, and Susie didn't even seem to notice Noelle hadn't been in her arms a second ago, implies it can and will go far enough to achieve what this side of the fandom has speculated it does. It's just unclear whether it already has, or whether it has more subtle ways to enact similar changes if it has more time to lead up to the change, so to speak.
>>4058465does anyone actually give a shit about gta in 2026 or is it all astroturfing spics and jeets
>>4058487>astroturfing spics and jeetsThat's pretty much 50% or more of /v/'s userbase
>>4058487concerning /v/? That's the target audience.
>>4058486I have my doubts aborted weird route in 5 will be followed through but I think that scene was kinda interpretative. My reading of it, with meta support, is the game "resets" to a state where characters should be at in chapter 5 normal route, like overwriting the changes done so far. We still have no confirmation whether or not Noelle remembers anything. So in a way this idea the prophecy "brainwashes" characters sort of works but I think using brainwashing is an inaccurate term.
>>4058483If it's the Yellow thread it got auto-saged
>>4058502Yeah it was the yellow thread, I was about to make one but then I noticed it.
>>4058465Only if we take it slow, if we ever outpace the shitstorm we're getting nuked on sight.
>>4058505We were starting to do that, so I guess they noticed.
>>4058505It's really hard to take it slow in an non stealth thread.
>>4058486This is also why the prophecy actually allows you to perform Lake Skip, because very technically, everything is still playing out the way it should (and if anything, it confirms whatever happens in 6 is so inconsequential to the prophecy that it can be COMPLETELY skipped over) since all the criteria is still met.Love finds its way to "the girl", and "the girl" in this case is Noelle, who finds love anew with Kris.The Flower Man is still trapped in some manner of asylum. Either Knight said "fuck it" and makes its own version of Flower Kingdom to kidnap Asgore on its own, or Asgore still being lost in his obsession counts as "trapped in asylum" to the prophecy, OR Flowery never getting the opportunity to dream and taste fleeting freedom is a trapping asylum in of itself.This shit's incredibly vague and highly configurable, but if you introduce a scenario where that vagueness still can't be met somehow (i.e. potentially killing Noelle, which removes a "the girl" candidate and also leaves Susie without a love interest, therefore love cannot find its way to "the girl"), then it's gonna course correct no matter how unnatural or forced it feels.
>>4058510The prophecy is just a bitch. It's simultaneously mega vague or highly specific, see "Pointy headed person says Toothpaste boy."
>>4058516toby wants to vaguepost while also debunking theories he doesn't like i still think that lancer prince theory was one of the best pre 3&4 theories, it had a very solid foundation
why does ralsei hate orange so much?
>>4058527She committed the sin of being a caricature of people who (correctly) prefer Hat Ralsei.
>>4058247Only a fool sails expecting to find Atlantis.I'm shocked I got anything at all as a madgore shipper, even if Mew Mew lusting for Kris screws with that.
>>4058466If that's what he thinks about rpgs, he shouldn't be making them. I like beating up enemies in rpgs.
>>4058527Orange is a BITCH
>>4058529>guys I totally don't engage with fandom content>but here are multiple different jabs against people who dislike hatless Ralsei
>>4058507>GTA leaks are slower than Deltarune without janny interference
>>4058535Nearly a year ago we had Silksong break Steam and that's a game by like 3 aussies
>>4058531>if he doesn't think it's an ontological necessity that you can mindlessly hit "fight" in an RPG then he shouldn't be making RPGsPlease argue this in a CRPG thread, they'd love you.
>>4058540I mean that's not what I do in dragon quest. When you get swarmed by enemies which is often, pressing attack the last thing you wanna do.Because if they all survive all your attacks, they can all hit you, and it's worse if your party members are slower than the enemiesI know how to play an rpg.
>>4058535>>4058539AAA games are so pathetic
>>4058541Why are JRPGs even called RPGs again? There's no role playing, only mindless killing and listening to animu bullshit
>>4058534I don't know who he is fooling after making the Mikes.
>>4058545Because they have a direct evolutionary line to tabletop RPGs>Dungeons and Dragons > Wizardry and Ultima > Dragon Quest > all JRPGs
>>4058547More like DEvolutionary line
>>4058548what are you even doing here if you're gonna argue like a crpgfag?
>>4058535>GTA threads will die off after release and we will still be here
>>4058407why did ERAM make her do this?
>>4058540CoL wouldn't survive a day inside a cRPG thread. Which admittedly, would be pretty funny to see.
>>4058417>and basically the only explanation that would make sense to me is that he somehow got the item from another placeWell, we do know that in the past Kris and likely Noelle brought the laptop along with Spamton to Kris' house for their make-believe sessions. That's where Spamton met Tenna and fell from grace becoming insane, caused by the mysterious person on the phone. Flowery said that they watched Kris grew up and Asgore was still the police chief back then, which must mean that Asgore used to keep his flowers at home. That will mean that these make-believe sessions were when Spamton came close to flowers, which may include roses with thorns.My theory is that the Thorn Ring as a rose thorn in the Light World is inserted and hidden inside the laptop by an unknown person during Kris' and Noelle's make-believe sessions back then, and Spamton was entrusted by that person to hand the Thorn Ring to Noelle in the future.
>>4058539Eh, yes and no, nobody really wants to talk about it but while it did catch steam off guard despite the millions they spent on astroturfing for years it actually knocked steam offline for less time than Deltarune did when it came out.Also the threads on /v/ completely fell off when Team Cherry's paid board event expired, you know, go figure a niche title in a niche genre only really noteworthy for the sheer length of the marketing campaign for the expandalone dlc doesn't really have staying power.
>>4058554It can't be that bad
>>4058556That rose? Kris Dreemurr.
>>4058560you don't have to autistically screech about every game you don't like being astroturfedsilksong threads died because the game is neatly finished, the fanbase isn't autistic and the game doesn't use andrew hussie tactics to stay relevant
>>4058560I think it's a case of /v/ being so shit that no one wants to use it period. I would have loved to discuss Silksong back then but i sure as hell didn't want to do it with /v/ users
>>4058563titles confirm
>>4058564Hi, me again, I actually played Hollow Knight when it came out and was waiting for Silk Song.I would have the same problem if Deltarune did the same thing, but it doesn't. Which is why it's currently a banned topic on /v/ to make room for a re-run of the GTA "leak" marketing stunt.In the future consider this before seething janny.
uuu on the ‘og
>>4058553I've compared Susie and Noelle to Undyne and Alphys since chapter 2>one is an aggressive butch who was a rough kid in school until someone else put her on track and she also has a soft side>the other is a femme who is an awkward dork, has nerd interests and is academically smart, also has a very dark secret on her life>both lesbiansBut now with her Cat Petters abominations and FRIEND looking like endogeny, Noelle's parallels with Alphys are even stronger.
>>4058568You know this website has hated furries from the start and kicked out Homestuck for years, right?
>>4058572Didn't ask for more copin tropes.
>>4058560>Everything except the game I like is a shill astroturf campaign.
>>4058574Having your meltdown and samefagging isn't going to help you here dummy.
>they got the couch thread
>>4058571Suselle is fake
>>4058575Sometimes I wonder how it's like to live as a paranoid schizophrenic but seeing you I don't wonder it anymore.
>>4058576You gotta mix it up more
>>4058579You wouldn't be this angry if I wasn't right.
>>4058581you're arguing with at least two different people
>>4058584Not relevant
>>4058581Sure I am. Steaming out of my ears.>>4058584Schizos create this cope mechanism that everyone who engages with them is the same guy. Pretty funny.
>>4058589Hey since you're so not mad, and I'm so wrong, remind me again why attempting to discuss Deltarune is quarantined to an alt board and why /v/ is dying again?It wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the astroturfing you're trying to pretend never happens right?
Deltarune is a video game
>>4058603are we seriously pretending that silksong had an astroturf campaign?silksong is a singleplayer game that doesnt have theorybait OR shipbaityou play the game, you talk about it for a few days, and then you move on. no shit discussion died not long after releaseits not like deltarune where you can spend years coming up with insane theories like "suselle is actually a psyop by THE GAME'S SCRIPT ITSELF and kriselle is the real ship!"
>>4058605source?
>>4058608Nobody said anything about pretending Silk Song was astroturfed. We're talking about pretending it wasn't.
>>4058615Deltarune is a good video game.So is Silksong.
>>4058603Because jannies are gay and hate this particular game like they hate Umasume, Fire Emblem and etc. Simple as.
>>4058621Astroturfing and a game being good are not mutually exclusive, which we already went over.
>>4058626I'm starting to think you may be shitposting with how much you are claiming Silksong had muh astroturfing
>>4058627
I. . came to. . . Deltarune. . . to complete. . . the mission. . .
>>4058633what even is the mission
>>4058627It's just a schizophrenic, anon
>>4058635SEAL THE FOUNTAINSKILL THE KNIGHTSTOP THE ROARING
>>4058569Might be too stealthy
>>4058633How do we kill this thing, anyway??
>>4058646it's being kept slow on purpose
Will he blame us when it happens?
>>4058646Never FUCKING mind not stealthy enough.
>>4058645I fucking love CoL he's so funny
>>4058649Didn't work, sadly. I meant because of all the non Deltarune posts.
Stop talking about the /v/ threads tards, there is literally a janny here and I am NOT a schizo
Gaster is green
>>4058646>>4058649>>4058659Threads stop being stealthy the instant you post about them here because they lurk obsessively to identify when a /v/ thread is made.
>>4058656the sad part is it had more non dr posts that it did dr posts janny just nuked an innocent character colour thread
>>4058662>they lurk obsessively to identify when a /v/ thread is made.Absolutely insane that they put that much effort into it. Truly mindbroken
>>4058660To be fair it was literally two posts, the janny is a fucking hawk.
>>4058657I think he's more of a schizoboss than the Knight, though. The Knight is whichever mod has the biggest hateboner for the threads.
>>4058664autism is a hell of a drug
>>4058663Sad uuu...
That’s why I didn’t say Aqua on the catalog
>>4058632Look anon, there is no astroturfing.Hollow Knight was already a popular game before Silksong's announcement. It's just that Silksong's "never ever" became a meme and it snowballed over the years, so much when the release date got announced, the meme was at its peak. I mean the game literally broke MULTIPLE game stores at once on its release. There is no better indicator that its popularity is legit from that. plus it should've been clear many people who jumped into Silksong never played HK, since many complained about difficulty and were getting filtered.>but why do jannies allow Hollow Knight but not DeltaruneBecause jannies are faggots. Simple as.Same reason why snoot game on /v/ threads were getting deleted despite literally being a made by anons from /v/>inb4 anon will keep claiming it's still muh astroturfing
>>4057567Honestly Spamton is why I feel like the Knight is just a Darkner tied to Dess (it could be anything from a bat to her actual corpse) animated by Darkner physics and able to traverse between both worlds in the same form via having a Lightner soul (99.99% chance it's Kris's)
>>4058677Mods are just biased cunts in general. They basically made /vm/ just to be a SCP Secret Lab containment board, but then allow PEAK threads to be a 24/7 presence of faggotry on /v/ just because a mod really likes the game and is a part of the clique they formed.
>>4058677>Look anon, there is no astroturfing.I do not care how badly you want me to accept it, it happened. It's fine if you like the game I liked it, but it's a genuine problem for game discussion and gaming.
Guess the janny just doesn't like green
>>4058689>there were a good few [Deleted]s before the 404Oh boy, I can already smell the 3 day vacation!
>>4058688What a predictable creature.
>>4058695Tacking on >if you call me a retard I'm rightOnto the end of your post isn't proof you're right, it's an admission on your part that even you are aware you're retarded.
>>4058676I shouldn't have made that post about it being too stealthy I didn't think the janny would nuke it.
>>4058695Spoilery doesn't work here...
>>4058703anon...
"political agenda"
>>4058174Missed opportunity for Temmie to just be her FF14 character, a Dragoon in a maid outfit
>>4058234Carol talks over the phone about sacrificing people as part of the plan, quite probably killing a bunch of kidnapped innocents inside the Shelter is what that room is referring to
>>4058676>>4058704he lurks here
>>4058174>>4058444i'm convinced characters like catti were given fuck all to do because actually having proactive non retards in the main cast would actually the story to move forward or reveal shit which toby king of the vaguepost couldn't have
A Deltarune thread archived today of course the jannies are on maximum seethe mode
>>4058714ngl the thumbnail just made it look like temmie had comically large tits
Dang, can’t get janjan to target off-topic threads out of paranoia
>>4058708Feel free to point out where I made a mistake replying to that bread sandwich of a post with three layers of>Please stop saying Silk Song was astroturfed and there's a problem with astroturfing please forget we're on /vrpg/ in part specifically because of this problem.
>>4058726Flowery
>>4058721Unironically the most likely reason. This entire narrative lives and dies by "nothing ever happens until Chapter 7" to such an offensively bad degree that it even bitched out on the demon summoning lore because it MIGHT, M I G H T , give an answer as to what the fuck "THAT HORRIBLE DAY" entailed given what people have been speculating about ERAM and the FRIENDs.
>>4058725He would rather delete the Deltarune posts in a thread than delete the actual thread itself.
so what games are you guys excited for besides deltarune? i thought of it just browsing /v/ and seeing a complete ghost town and realizing every thread that vaguely looked interesting was for ancient shit i already played
>>4058721>main characters are either retarded and don't ask ANY questions or deliberately withhold information until the 11th hourMany such cases!
>>4058735The new Castlevania
>>4058721yeah, it's really strange how catti, a character who has been established to be friends with both kris and noelle, to the point to where she refers to the three of them as a 'tribe', does fuckall and is actively insulted to tears by susie and it's just brushed off like it's one big joke not to mention mk and kris' casual friendship that's been dropped, and berdly being reduced to a cuck to make fun of despite his character development in ch2 being everyone being cool with each otherboth catti and berdly have a known history with both kris and noelle going back years and years, yet they're just cast aside because it's the susie show now and the friend you've known for four days is way better and cooler than the people you've known most of your life
>>4058735two never evers the katana zero dlc and corpse party IIas you can imagine, WAITing is merely my default state of being
>>4058729
>>4058744Noelle probibally the most important character in this god forsaken game and her main traits outside of the weird route or random blog posts are "being horny for susie" and "talking about how kris use to waterboard her using cum". I have no fucking clue how is consistently squandering a large chunk of his cast when this was never an issue with undertale
>>4058747No...
>>4058750I find Noelle so boring
>>4058735dunno but I'm playing Nine Sols right now
>>4058735I'm still grinding to level 99 in E33 to beat Guts
>>4058750noelle's characterization pisses me off because toby has proven himself capable of making her interesting and have more things going on than being horny for susie/ the modern day doelesterthe sweepstakes gives more to noelle than anything presently in the game, and the majority of that is about to be 4 years old in september
>>4058735Not gonna lie, when Deltarune finishes I’m just becoming an emulatorfag forever, there’s a whole bunch of old games I need to play
>>4058761Me personally I think the issue is people dismissing any and all of her characterization as presented or convenient to pretend there is none.Especially now that we're 2/1 chapter/s left and she has in one of a few examples of things I have to assume were probably written after the outline with her explicitly blurting out her deal after it's been heavily implied over all of her dialog throughout the entire game.
>>4058735>wanting to talk about games besides the one the thread is made forIt's over, the general-ization has begun
>>4058750i'm convinced that toby is betting on chapter 7 (the part that 100% did come from his fever dream) to be flawless and is just terrified of "playing his hand too soon" by making characters like noelle, berdly, or catti main cast members early on. the weird route is the exception because it revolves around kris and noelle's relationship so toby was actually forced to give her depth there
>>4058654he will blame us no matter whatI'll take my anger out on the doe later
>>4058774And to be totally honest, it genuinely didn't work either, people are still completely and willingly retarded about Noelle.
>>4058786i think the issue stems from people being unwilling to actually engage with her character because she's a lesbianshe's just boiled down to that single factor for a lot of people and they refuse to acknowledge anything else about her
>>4058786Thinking about the lake scene for longer than "wow thats fucked up" leads to uncomfortable conversations
>>4058721This is true, Deltarune's story breaks if there's anyone who's actually willing to ask questions. Kris and Ralsei are keeping things in the dark for whatever reason, and Susie is a combination of retarded and willing to lose herself in the dark world fantasy, meaning she won't question things too much. Not sure if Deltarune's story can be classified as an idiot plot but it's close to it.
>>4058789>because she's a lesbianShe's not
A lot of character analyses go nowhere because people keep thinking with their cocks
>>4058791>toby's friends tell him some of the flowers look too similar to some steven universe gems >toby is confused because he's never seen the show>ends up having the same critical story problem where nobody asks questions when they should be, because if they did the plot would be resolved very quickly it's like poetry, it rhymes
>Berdly asked questions>Got put in a coma for it
>>4058789anon people are willing to engage with the stupid deer its just that her being a dyke is by far the least interesting part about her while also being the most in your face. also that cope doesn't really work when people will bend over backwards to argue that kriselle (a ship people actually like) is totally yuri, people just don't like suselle and the most interesting thing to talk about with it is just how badly is it going to explode
>>4058800Berdly is a fluke that you intentionally abuse
>>4058721>>4058791actual literary criticismhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_plot
>>4058800He was never gonna be allowed because Susie finds him annoying and no one can ever go against Susie's grain or they die for it, for example Flowery.
>>4058802>EURGHgheerh lesbian deer no fuck me, me engaging good
>>4058721honestly this shit makes be appreciate deltarune yellow and kanako actually having more than two brain cells and thus doing shit like... coming up with the main plot within the first chapter
>>4058721I mean one of her, few, character traits the game emphasizes in her dialogue is that she's a coward. Whether the demon summoning ritual was real or not she's presented as someone who has the chance to step up, and just didn't, so I don't think she's the non-retard you're looking for.If anything I think Berdly, given by his comments if his arm is broken, might be more proactive about changing things.
>>4058808reddit....
>>4058806>SUSIE ASGORE HAS A CODE DON'T TELL ANYONE AND WHILE I CAN'T BE CERTAIN I THINK KRIS IS A FUCKING TR-AAACKKK
>>4058803>Berdly is a fluke that you intentionally abuseI don’t know how popular this is, but what I honestly like the most is that unlike Genocide, Weird Route is only possible because of a very specific combination of circumstances>Berdly has to be in the Dark World, or else Noelle doesn’t have a real emotional breaking point>Spamton has to sell the Thorn Ring, or else Noelle doesn’t ever get to cast Snowgrave>Susie has to run off with Ralsei, or else Noelle would just be staring at Susie’s ass all day
>>4058804Deltarune's not only an idiot plot, it's a plot that only happens because the narrative itself forces the characters to make the plot happen.Knight clearly has sapience, enough to recognize "wow, The Roaring is really bad. I probably shouldn't cause it, despite my title" and has managed to stall its sole purpose for existing for several years (assuming it truly has been existing and active since THAT HORRIBLE DAY), but now suddenly it and Kris are tearing open fountains left and right.We can't even understand WHY they are because BASIC CHARACTER MOTIVATIONS are something we're not allowed to know until the endgame, so literally all I can assume is that the narrative itself, which has proven it can twist and bend reality to course correct itself in "aborted" weird route chapter 5, even bastardizing character directions and motives just so the story can keep chugging forward, is kicking into gear because (You), the player, are now playing the game, and thus the characters must play their parts as the story has begun proper.
>>4058816i wonder if we'll ever see what the 'final tragedy' iswe probably should, considering it's the primary motivation of the main characters at this point, along with kris' promise boy i sure do love it when the plot entirely revolves around vagueposting
>>4058750>consistently squandering a large chunk of his cast when this was never an issue with undertaleThat wasn't much of a problem in ch 1 and 2 either. The main darkners get to be important in their worlds and have stuff to do. Berdly was the first "lightner guest character" and he was well used in 2.After that, besides Tenna and just maybe Gerson, it all takes a nosedive. There is ALWAYS SOME EXCUSE to not actually use the lightners or have the darkners show up again.>Toriel was sleeping the whole time>Undyne got kidnapped after 10 seconds of being there>No one was doing choir practice>Asgore remains offscreen most of the time>Pink stays in her shop, her bedroom and a single coffee break and never talks to Asgore because "he would loose his mind" or whatever>Ramb disappears>Cactus darkner doesn't go to Castle Town, no excuse given>Gerson can't be taken to CT because Da Rulez>Flowers can't be taken to CT either>Not even the fucking Tao metronome can be taken to castle town>King remains in his cuckshed>...........Mike...........................
>>4058823cactus can't go to castle town for the same reason as the flowers, it's a live plant and needs light to livethe real problem is that it's hinted to be in love with kris but we never actually see it, only overhear it mumbling to itself and get a sword
>>4058815He's genuinely in the worst place, at the worst time, with the worst people and Chapter 2 tries to play it off until you miss your chance
>>4058816Reminder we had a decent grasp on the motivations of everyone in the 2013 Ruins demo.>>4058821Imagine if turns out to be the most quaint shit possible, like "castle town will be sealed forever", that made Susie punch glass and smear blood in Ralsei's crying face, only revealed in the grand finale.Imagine the following shit show from the fandom.And imagine how much better it would have gone if we had simply learned what it is in advance during the chapter 4 cutscene.
Odds Ralsei will die in Chapter 6?
Come on nobody cared about Monster Kid or Snowdrake or Temmie or Jockington, we just wanted Catti cleavage
>>4058828it 100% has something to do with ralsei and castle town, considering that susuie put specific emphasis on him when reassuring himwe know it won't be destroyed, as the prophecy specifies that the 'worlds' would be saved
Random bullshit here but I wonder if anyone has made a theory that the final prophecy has something to do with too much light
>>4058735>Silksong DLCs>whatever Moonsprout Games will release next>the UTDR fangames possibly coming from this very board>a little curious about Reforj and PlanetSmith>GTA VI to watch the TORtanic tier shitshow it will beThe rest of Deltarune isn't included in the list.
>>4058823Even if Gerson wasn't already struck down by Dustners rulez I think they still wouldn't take him on the basis that Alvin would ACTUALLY beat her ass this time for stealing his dad
>>4058828Yup. Even without datamining, you could make a pretty good educated guess that Flowey is Asgore and Toriel's child just from playing basic deduction.>hmmm, so the trailer shows Asgore's a horned guy, Toriel's a big horned lady... one wants to kill you, the other wants to protect you... wait, is she the queen?? are they exes because they had different viewpoints on humans?>and Flowey called himself the "prince of this world's future"... that's pretty specific, why not go higher? unless... holy fuck, did Asgore and Toriel have a son? is that why Toriel has the kid's room?
>>4058828>Reminder we had a decent grasp on the motivations of everyone in the 2013 Ruins demo.>>4058840>so the trailer shows Asgore's a horned guy, Toriel's a big horned lady... one wants to kill you, the other wants to protect you... wait, is she the queen?? are they exes because they had different viewpoints on humans?Hilariously you got this backwards because Toriel didn't really give a shit and just used the humans as surrogates for her children over centuries and her deal was being mad at Asgore for not attacking humanity and Asgore didn't want to harm anyone nor the power associated with stealing Souls, and his long term goal was protecting both monsterkind and humanity as much as he could while trying to prevent the Underground and monster society from collapsing until it completely mentally destroyed him requiring his dead son to step in as a surrogate to free the Underground.
>Toby made Toriel in Undertale the way she was because he didn't like how Hinawa was just "the mom" and didn't do anything except be character motivation for her family>Toriel in Deltarune is just "the mom" and doesn't do anything except be character motivation for her family
>>4058845Well duh, that’s because Carol is going to be the cool mom that does stuff…Right?
>>4058846>carol shows up in the last minute of chapter 6>the_vagueposting_queen.png>get's knight'd>To Be Continued
>>4058846She'll>vaguepost about how "she can't lose [Noelle] too">be vaguely homophobic about Suselle>not actually be the chapter boss because she'd expose that Susie's a fucking loser (remember that Berdly is insanely strong compared to Power Limited Kris and Susie, now imagine someone who's ACTUALLY familiar with Dark Worlds and is wielding a real weapon) and the prophecy itself is determined to keep her power fantasy alive>realize the error of her ways when Noelle rehashes her character arc and talks her down just like she did Queen, only for Carol to be kidnapped right as she gives her blessing to Suselle
>>4058667I can't wait for the CoL schizobossGreens of it now
>>4058840>>4058844Anons guessed the royal family twist before the game even came out.I wonder if Toby saw this sort of shit and that's why he is vagueposting and spreading red herrings in Deltarune so hard, he wants to be sure nobody sees the ending coming.
>>4058851Toby doesn't need to vaguepost at all, nobody engages with stories sincerely these days.The entire premise behind Deltarune has already been laid bare and all that's left are details that don't really have that much to change about the narrative.
>>4058854>The entire premise behind Deltarune has already been laid bareand that is?
I think if people were more critical they’d accept that Susie “Suzy” Gaster is 90%+ of the story’s writing flaws
>>4058828Imagine the last tragedy is that Susie and Noelle break up. Wouldn't be surprised since Toby seems to think we care about that couple way more than we actually do
>>4058828>actual CoL talking points being used
>>4058855Are you serious?
>>4058860stop vagueposting and spill it out
>>4058851if that's the case then he's 100% a hacka good story allows the one reading it to understand and know where the plot it going the further in they gowhile deltarune isn't presented as a mystery story, it certainly seems to have the bones of one with how much info is being withheld from the reader and how the identities, fates, and motivations are in the dark for no real reason, outside of toby deliberately trying to obfuscate them from the player by not having anyone ask any questions or explain what the fuck they're talking about toby needs to remember that there's something more important than the ending
>>4058854>>4058860We already know what's going on, the problem is we don't know WHY it's going on, and the story isn't taking its stakes very seriously because it needs to backload everything for chapter 7.Even the raw feeling of fighting a Titan in chapter 4 was retroactively neutered by the fact that Ralsei considers a random knife shuriken from chapter 5 scarier than a literal embodiment of what goes bump in the night, seeing as how the comparatively harmless shuriken is what spooked him enough to cast FireShock for the first time.
>>4058860t.
>>4058863>stop vaguepostingNO!!!!
>>4058869there's a very real possibility that 4 and 5 were swapped around when toby realized 5 was taking too long it makes no sense to raise the stakes that much in ch4 only to kick all that down the road because it's time to fuck around with the flowers does anyone even comment on what happened in ch4 in ch5? i think at best we get susie getting upset at flowery calling her a shit hero and ralsei attempting to not hide shit from susie anymore, which she immediately dismisses despite it being important meta reality shit
>>4058781More like all the other chapters are just prelude to that dream he had that will be chapter 7. You gotta get there somehow, so everything else exists just to justify it being exactly the way it is.
>talks about how there's something more important than reaching the end>refuses to give any valuable information until the end of the gameIs he retarded, or just a snake?
>>4058876Even chapter 7 itself is a prelude in of itself, with the way he's hyping up Weird Route it seems like 7B is where the fever dream truly lies. ESPECIALLY if had the fever dream around the time he could've played the first fan translation of OFF, opening his eyes to more meta fuckery than he dared to dream before.
>>4058878either he has terminal hussification already or he's retarded i think a lot of the time he genuinely believes the shit he's saying
>>4058879A thing I find heartening about Deltarune is that you can keep finding references to things that almost certainly were on Toby's mind around the time of the fever dream specifically, even into the latest stuff. It's much harder to lose faith in the final product when you can see he's still holding on to the mindset he had when he first got inspired.
>>4058878>none of the information we have is valuableThe grass is always greener on the other side. Your dismissal of the information we have is because you likely have specific attachments to information we "should've" gotten.
>>4058816You niggers talk about literary analysis in the same post you're asking shit like "hurr why isn't the knight causing the roaring????" like you can't even come up with a dozen of reason why it might be so. Something tells me you aren't actually experts on how to write stories.
>>4058883But anonnnnn if the game doesn't stop and TELL me I'm right what's the POINT???
>>4058883the knight's full title is 'the roaring knight'that implies that it causes the roaring but it doesn't, despite it being fully capable of doing so at any timeinstead, the knight spends the majority of the time kidnapping people, or looking for people to kidnap
>>4058882Problem is, how do we know what's important and what's unimportant when we still know literally nothing? You have all these pieces, but even Toby himself admitted you'll never figure out the story because there's still asspulls and reveals waiting to surface in Chapter 7 that will, evidently, completely recontextualize everything ever in a way that forces us to re-evaluate the entire game prior with this new lens that didn't exist before and couldn't have possibly been foreseen due to all of the vagueposting and random assorted components that don't go together in any way that currently makes sense without making shit up.
>>4058885Its goal is not to cause the roaring.It is going to cause the roaring at a specific point in the prophecy.They're different things.
Given how you guys keep acting like Toby is Scott Cawthon I thought you guys wanted more last-minute random twists
>>4058888i don't think scott ever touted any of his games as his magnum opus that he had been dreaming about for over a decadeand scott only ever spent a few months per game, not nearly a decade on one
>>4058889>magnum opustoby the same guy that said deltarune’s ending won’t be for everynyan
>>4058869I mean even within Chapter 4 the Titan kinda gets glossed over. Susie is like>Not gonna lie Kris what's up with your heart thingy>Wait oh shit where's Gerson???And Ralsei's like>Wow... we actually beat a Titan...>Wait oh shit where's Susie???I guess when you realize that the secret to beating the dark was to just to use your living night light the same way you've been using it since the beginning the dark itself doesn't seem too scary anymore? i dunno
>>4058886Why do we have to know what's important and unimportant? Why are you so sure whatever story beat we "missed" was one of the important ones? Even if you guessed by the end of the Undertale demo that Flowey had something to do with the clear dead child of the royal family, the exact sequence of events that led to him being a flower and the motivations preventing him from going back home were still complete mysteries until the end of the full game. I view the parts still left unrevealed in Deltarune similarly: you can tell roughly what every major player's role will be, but not exactly why. You can probably guess at what the crux of certain major plot events in the future will be, based on what mechanics and interactions of the Dark World have been emphasized so far. But you can't do so with perfect accuracy, and as far as I can tell, that's all you're complaining about.
>>4058891iirc someone does suggest that defeating a titan might work the same way as sealing a fountain, it's just that susie was the only one dumb enough to think jumping inside of it would worklucky for her, the titan is just jackenstein on a massive scale
>>4058888I don't think Scott ever poked fun at his fans in the games like Toby didAt most, it was making fun of Matpat specifically with Mr Hippo's "sometimes a story is just a story"
>>4058892>there's something more important than reaching the end, so you should figure out what that is if you want to prove "there's only one ending" wrong, which is the entire foundational goal of our protagonists>...no, I won't let you know if you figured out what's more important than reaching the end until you reach the end, and if you didn't figure it out because you had no indicators, tough shit, go replay this entire 30 hour game again now that you know what's importantI dunno man.
>>4058885And you seriously can't think of any reason at all why it might be doing that? None at all? Suddenly all your theorycrafting powers are exhausted and you don't have a clue?
>>4058882In the current state we're in, none of the information we have is valuable yes. We have information, but it's not even enough to make a good guess on where the story could go. The information we currently hold will become more valuable once we get more information and we can connect the pieces together, but right now all the information we have is next to worthless, yes.
>>4058894Dude, most of the plot of Five Nights at Freddy's was written offhand specifically to fuck with MatPat.He made him Ness in the FNAF movie.Admittedly the plot is secondary to the actual games in FNAF's case, but still.
I wonder how much valuable information is contained within Darkner analysis
>>4058899If there's anything valuable then it's already been mentioned by now.
>>4058896any theory about the knight's motivation will immediately devolve into guess working with other theories about what it could possibly be doing is the knight working with the caller? is the knight the caller? what is it's relationship with kris? does kris' promise have something to do with it? why is it kidnapping people? is it about the code, but why does it care when it already can enter the shelter?we can't answer those because we got fuck all about any of it in ch5
>>4058890Bullshit, he wants everyone to worship his game and see it as perfect
>>4058899an embarrassing amount of 4chan criticism boils down to "i'm not supposed to self-insert onto kris" dunnit
>>4058899One cool thing I realized while playing chapter 3 are the dust bunniesThey're there in chapter 1, that implies the unused classroom hasn't been used for quite some timeI still believe it belonged to the Forgotten Man
>>4058899I have said that I think all this darkner shit fucking sucks dick multiple times though.
>>4058899I feel like if people binged Chapter 1-5 some kind of puzzle piece would finally click but nobody wants to do it
>>4058904not just 4chan, everywhere is like thatit's one of the main reason why femkris generates to much seethe
>>4058904Just by playing the game and trying to out some effort into playing it, you self insert as Kris
>>4058893Yeah. That's probably why her only defense against the final portrait is just "YEAH NONE OF US WILL LET IT HAPPEN." She just beat a creature from the apocalypse by fucking winging it as per usual so I guess she thinks she could probably avoid it by yoloing it too. Unlike Ralsei, who's hopelessness actually carries over to Chapter 5 and he ends up accidentally using Fireshock anyway despite initially avoiding it to try and dodge the prophecy.
>>4058899It's frankly hilarious how much of a potential self-report Werewire and Werewerewire are as it pertains to the possible nature of the Knight, but I don't see nearly as many people looking into Head Hathy and recognizing the Kris parallels it holds, even down to the point of a Head Hathy and Werewire sharing a space in Chapter 4.
>>4058903
>>4058899note how this guy doesn't actually say anythingpeople do notice and engage with the darkners, people have been pointing out their parallels with the lightners for yearspeople also immediately clocked in that kris and the knight share the same will because their dark worlds look identical, whereas susies has a different hue and things work differently despite it being in the same spot as one of the knight's
>>4058882If you are not willing to show the Roaring Knight's motivation or even make a hint in the game towards his identity, just make the Roaring Knight Deltarune's Ganondorf and and save me the bullshit.
>>4058912I'm sorry, but that's the cult he created. They see him as a god.
>>4058914>give me the ending now
>>4058851There's a reason why the FemKris evidence is so subtle. He really wants to BTFO people with the twist this time.
FennekinFox got ate up and shat out like the steaming pile of sharty that he is btw
>>4058912who is this nigga?
>>4058919monster from the undertale 10th anniversary stream
>>4058896Please explain to me the purpose of the kidnapping. Go ahead.
>>4058895>so you should figure out what that is if you want to prove "there's only one ending" wrongOh, that explains it.No.I have fundamentally never agreed with whatever this bizarre mindset is.I don't need to "solve" the plot to have reasonable guesses at how to best approach it, and that's all I need.>but you'll have to replay the game if your guesses were wrong!And? Why am I supposed to object to that?
>>4058916I'd say you're using hyperbole, but you actually aren't. If we knew Knight's motivation, that'd spiral into understanding Kris's motivation, what happened on THAT HORRIBLE DAY, and ultimately how the entire rest of the game is going to go, especially at endgame, and from there you can guess the endings based on whether or not you meet the "something more important than reaching the end" criteria.Which REALLY goes to show everything is so evidently predictable that Toby fears that even the most straightforward of analysis will lead into someone completely figuring out and spoiling the ending of the game before it happens.What an actual fucking joke, and this is supposed to be Toby's greatest work?
>>4058925>and this is supposed to be Toby's greatest work?Things that Chungus Mcfungus the whimsical phonefag made up:
>>4058916It has been 8 full years. After 8 full years, every player is entitled to a finished game. And not one revolving around an idiot plot, because that is not what chapter 1 sold.
>>4058925>The most straightforward of analysis will lead into someone completely figuring out and spoiling the ending of the game>t. person crying about WHAT HAPPENED THAT HORRIBLE DAY
>>4058897>if I don't have confirmation on exactly how to apply this information it is worthlessExplain why.>I can't make a good guess on where the story will go!I can! You'll hate it though, because "good guess" doesn't mean "appeals to you".
>>4058928I don't think I'd work on something for 15+ years if I wasn't wholly convinced it was going to be my magnum opus. Please remember the fever dream that inspired Toby to get into gamedev beyond RPG Maker and romhack shitposting was in 2011.
>>4058929what was the selling point of chapter 1
>>4058929Nobody cares how many years you've spent obsessing over one game instead of living your life.
>Suselle is purposely bad!Bro, rewatch the beach scene. The part where Noelle talks about Susie's heartbeat. That shit was real -- Toby had a raging hard-on while writing it.
>>4058933>I don't think I'd-And thus the projection slips out like shit down the bowl
>>4058914There are hints. You're choosing not to use them because you don't like where they point. Because you had a specific idea on where the story was supposed to be going and Deltarune isn't obeying it.>>4058929Nope.
>>4058934The Legend of Delta Rune
>>4058937If I said "Toby wouldn't", you'd accuse me of acting like I personally know him like some parasocial cunt.Point is, MOST people don't spend 15+ years on a passion project that inspired them to take up an elevated form of a hobby and go "oh yeah that was just something I did for funsies lol" after it's finally finished.
>>4058916Yes, give me the ending now, Chapter 7 should be out by now, I don't wanna wait until 2029.
>>4058922Can I get more context or a timestamp where does it appear?
>>4058938I did, and because Deltarune doesn't do what I wanted it too the opportunity to tell the story I want is lost forever.
>>4058939>The Legend of Delt- *snoooorrrreeeee mimimiimimimimimimimi*
>>4058923We don't know. My first guess would be to protect them. Second one would be to railroad the fuck gang into the shelter. Third one would be they're required to initiate the roaring. What about you? And what does that have to do with my post at all?
Just be normal and play a fromsoft game while you wait for Toby's fever dream of an ending...Or go play the games that inspired Toby here >>4057541
>>4058943Yes, and I'm glad I still get to see the story I was engaged in when the game began.
>>4058939You mean the thing you can deliberately skip, and even Susie, the main character, isn't interested in it until she realizes it lets her live out a power fantasy?
>>4058949I was interested. Tell that story for the people who are interested in it.
>>4058934Gaster hijacking UT twitter to show you his Undertale AU.
CoLlywolly…
Someone should make a game to make CoL happy
HOLYFUCKING SHIT.IT'S MORE BEAUTIFULTHAN I COULD HAVEIMAGINED.MY DELTARUNE.
>>4058951It already got told by Dragon Quest.
>>4058954I’m pretty sure what he should be doing is playing any of the pre-FF13 Final Fantasies
>>4058951>nobody is allowed to ever evoke this trope without making a version of their story that plays it straight
>>4058946or play Zelda games. They are THE games where you play as the hero and save the kingdom from evil>spoilerAll I got is Demon's Souls on my PS3
>>4058954I think I found CoL's dream mod, shame it only goes up to chapter 2 and got cancelled.https://gamebanana.com/mods/676327
I am not CoL but Deltarune has really lost me with chapter 5. Not sure what it could do in 6 to make me interested in the main story again outside of the weird route. I guess not having suselle be present all throughout the chapter would be a start, but I'm probably asking for too much.
>>4058958I don't think CoL even likes Final Fantasy
>>4058960>All I got is Demon's Souls on my PS3It's great, but Dark Souls 1 is even better if you manage to get a copy.
>>4058962Toby basically already said to curb your enthusiasm, we're only getting one big lore reveal (and it's not even that big in the first place, since it's 99% guaranteed to be Knight's identity which won't actually tell us anything about the motivations or THAT HORRIBLE DAY) and there's no guarantee we'll even get to redeem our Pure Crystal + Seam Fight.
Secret of Evermore looks SOVLful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEu8wDAQuDk
It still kills me that the most popular theory about the knight's identity and the most popular theory for the knight's motivations are incompatible with each other. What a convoluted story.
>>4058960>Demon's Souls on my PS3Sounds like you already have the best one. It also beautifully plays on the "you're the hero who saves the kingdom from evil" tropes.
>>4058965>Knight's identity which won't actually tell us anything about the motivations or THAT HORRIBLE DAYWhaddya mean, Dess’s shambling body explains everything
>>4058969No it doesn't. What is she kidnapping people for?
>>4058965>it's 99% guaranteed to be Knight's identityFunny, Knight's identity is probably the least relevant thing to the plot right now, its reveal wouldn't change a single thing. You still can't win against it, you still can't change its mind, you still HAVE to fight it, etc.
>>4058965I have already accepted that there's no twisted route and that the twisted sword with can't be crafted in 6, or if it can be crafted, it's not actually the key to a whole new route. At this point, I think my chapter 6 wish list looks something like this>minimal suselle>have the characters shut the fuck up and act serious>actually develop whatever aspect of the story the chapter is gonna focus on thoroughly and have the big reveal actually be impactful >have decent gameplay and music(chapter 5 had this in my opinion so this the thing I'm least worried about)If it can do all this, then I think I could actually enjoy chapter 6 very much
>>4058971>What is she kidnapping people for?Lightner soul = powerLightner body + soul = super powerIt just makes sense!
>>4058961But it has the genocide atmosphere, doesn't it? It doesn't sound like CoL's dream game
>>4058972The way Toby phrased the newsletter also makes it abundantly clear it's not Dess Knight, because that's the one Knight reveal that'd basically fully expose the entire story.But with anyone else, even a Dess-adjacent being that isn't actually her, you get to keep all the mysteries for Chapter 7 and all that's made evident is a narrowing of speculative scope. You still don't have the how or the why, just the face and name.
>>4058978He just wants to seal the fountains, kill the Knight, stop The Roaring. Kris doesn't sabotage the mission, and he doesn't have to deal with useless party members who don't listen to his orders.It's the best he'll get per his own desires, because it meets all criteria.
>>4058979It has to be Dess Knight. Toby doesn't do red herrings, and there's no other way to explain the bat.
>>4058985Did You Know Gaming: that standalone sprite of the knight's sword for some reason has the "sepia" prefix only used otherwise for flashback sprites
>>4058985You will now get 59 posts replying with>BUT ANYONE COULD BE USING THE BAT!!!!!!!!!!
>>4058985>Toby doesn't do red herringsSo it's Carol Knight, which is what the story has been implicating since Chapter 4.>wields and uses a black blade; could just be using the bat shape to honor Dess since she was among the most broken by her disappearance>obsessed with hearts>has a consistent alibi>the only other person who goes to the shelter aside from Kris>HATES Susie>weirdly accommodating towards Kris>known to resort to extreme measures, like bronzing mementos, in order to preserve them indefinitely
>>4058985Bat is a blue herring, simple as.
>>4058983I don't think CoL had a problem with party members.And I still think he likes the music for the areas and the fights.This thing kinda just has the knight show up in the ch2 alley for the lols, and you don't get told your missions and every just calls you evil and stuff???
>>4058990>I don't think CoL had a problem with party members.He does when they do things he doesn't want them to, like using up TP to heal Flowery, which is why he considers that fight so egregious compared to other forced mercy battles, since at least the heal scumming is from the enemy itself rather than your own allies and resources..
>>4058979noelle is the knight we all know it, it's the only thing that makes sense and would cause susie to have the biggest meltdown imaginable the pianpian connection is irrefutable
>>4058991I knew that, but I didn't think he had a problem with party memebers in general
who is CoL?>>4058974at this point i'm mostly excited for new songs. gonna keep my expectations low for the story.
>>4058991I don't know if CoL has also complained about that, but I have made posts complaining about the Flowery fight healing before and I can assure you I am not CoL.
>>4058997>who is CoLSome autist obsessed with Dragon Quest, Zelda, and Paper Mario pissed that he doesn't have a dragon quest with a structure like paper mario and he thought deltarune would be that
We know chapter 6 will likely:- Focus on Susie and Noelle.- Take place in the Holiday mansion.- Feature the ice palace.- Will explain "one thing".I'm not so sure the "one thing" is the knight identity. Not unless it's Rudy.
>>4059017Why can't it focus on Kris and noelle instead, i hate suselle
>>4059017my theory is that the one thing will finally be an explanation and proper debut for FRIENDs, and it crashes the whole chapter>carol's spent years setting up her house to be a dark world trap.>real weapons everywhere, which can do real damage in a dark world.>filled to the brim with prized possessions, which would turn into stronger darkners that can at least give some resistance to a 'real' threat.>the sheer amount of heart pillows would likely confuse something looking for (you)>so someone makes the dark world and lures a FRIEND to it, this has been the point of the conspiracy.>fun gang enters the dark world >nothing turned into what it was supposed to.>all the weapons are setpieces, immobile unlike darkners and cant be taken as items>all the prized possessions, due to the sheer concentration of them, have become weaker darkners.>the heart pillows also turn into setpieces, so no confusion there.>the FRIEND is straight up killing all of the darkners and real people are at risk as well, no choice but to rush the fountain to keep things from getting worse.>ralsei is forced to break a shit load of rules just to stay ahead of the FRIEND.>the FRIEND intercepts the party as the chapter boss, this is what forces ralsei to let you use fireshock.
>>4058936they seem too obsessed with each other's heartbeats, since it is all susie talks about later, it makes it kinda sus that there might be some soul fuckery and maybe mind tampering going on and it isn't a natural thing
>>4059032people really need to accept that monsters don't work the same in deltarune as the did in undertalech5 very heavily implied that monsters have the same kinda soul thing as humans, and given that in ch5 susie can see kris' soul and instantly know what she's looking at tells me that it's no secret that they exist
>>4058735Control Resonant and Order of the Sinking Star are the games I'm looking forward to the most.
>>4059038they work *mostly* the same which is the confusing part until we get further elaboration>still turn to dust on death>monsters do not have blood, but susie uses turns of phrase and euphemisms that imply a familiarity with blood, on top of knowing how to clean up the bloodstain next to kris's bird cage with vinegar and hot water>neither monsters nor humans can use magic in the light world regardless of dust implying monsters are still physically made of magic>humans cannot use magic in the dark world, monsters can and darkners can>human souls still possess some kind of indefatigable power unique to themselvesunironically: we do not know if monsters shit in deltarune while we knew they did not in undertale because of their magic food, the only two known toilets in hometown are in houses kris frequented growing up
>>4059030Bro Friend is an optional boss related to egg collection. It has nothing to do with the plot.
>>4059047>still turn to dust on deathcould be cremation if they have physical bodies in this universe>monsters do not have bloodsusie and maybe sans do, it is still weird and all over the place and I really hate toby for not confirming anything about monster biology in 8 fucking years, I was hoping that normalNPC would just walk back each chapter so we would read the book about souls thing, but nah that was dropped like most early game stuff because "lol expectations subverted!"I actually had a dream where I got to meet toby once and asked him "what's the difference between monster souls and human souls in DR?" and he just told me he couldn't say because it was a spoiler, and that infuriated me as much as if he had said that for real, because it is one of the few things I am hoping each new chapter will answer but it never does
>>4059047If Sans really is from Deltarune then monsters can bleed but they will still turn to dust after.
>>4059056sans drinks ketchup
>>4058746>THAT VN
>>4059058Yeah, and Susie drank red punch.
>>4059047dusting has been hit by the vaguepost curse as ch4 makes it very unclear if it works the same as in undertaleneither the book nor susie actually say if that's what monsters do when they die, both of them just say that a monster's dust is spread over an item and then buried it's deliberately not outright said because toby probably believes that it'll ruin something down the line, despite it probably not actually meaning anything we didn't already suspect
>>4058746>corpse party IIThe most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.
Do you think UT Sans is from the Weird Route timeline?
>>4059067That loli? Krismas Dreemur.
>>4059068the roaring happening and blowing sans and his brother across time and space like FFX would kick ass honestly
>>4059056Sans is a gigaknower even at the time of Deltarune so it's becoming increasingly unlikely he actually comes from Deltarune, much like how there's three skeletons it's more than likely there's three worlds and Sans comes from that third world, so whether or not that was blood or ketchup is irrelevant because Sans probably no longer applies to the discussion, any Toby unironically tricked us AGAIN.If anything, Half-Human Susie is back on the menu because Flowery implies she has a special light just like Kris does, something separate from the fact all Lightners have the determination to create Dark Fountains.
>susellefags are seething that the weird route and kriselle as a whole has completely overshadowed toby's forced yurislop in the greater dr communityyou love to see it
>>4059086Source on this claim?
>>4059087xitterthe thread is asleep so i decided to lower my braincells for a while
>>4058975>mfw most explanations for dessknight's possible motivations boil down to her being an evil fucking brat
>>4059090Maybe... the truth is... Dess wasn't the greatest person.
>>4059091bravo tobias, you've done it again
>>4059091she was the pedoest person
>>4059067>>4059069I keep forgetting the people here are serial degenerates
>>4059067>corpse party IIThat game is on steam, so it cant have any of those things, unless its heavily censored
>>4059096We're just degenerates like our hero Tobustas Foxalda.
>>4059097it's an ancient pasta that turns all the kills into high octane sex scenes it was clearly done by a fan, as you can tell exactly which deaths it's talking about if you've played the games
>>4059100Our KING of Ero Games..
take me back, we didn't know how good we had it back then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4YP-Uwr5js
>>4059097It's a bot. One that was pretty rudimentarily set up to detect when someone says "Corpse Party" in their post and then whether or not the copypasta was posted in a given thread, you can find that exact image hash across god knows how many boards and god knows how long.
>>4059101>>4059107Oh alright
>>4059086for me it's when they claim kriselle is lgbt erasureeverybody sees kris as male, including the pronoun autists. it's hilarious.
>>4059111when they say kralsei or kredley is yaoi that's them already admitting it without noticing
Reminder that a lot more lesbians ship Kriselle than Suselle.
>>4059111>>4059112It's really funny how no matter which way you look at it, the very fact Kriselle existed and can exist again causes seethe.Either Noelle isn't actually a lesbian, or Kris isn't actually a null crotch weirdo, and all they can do is plug their ears and ignore it loudly or else it ruins their perception of Toby as a flawless god king.
>>4059111it's entirely based on their first impressions of kris in ch1 along with a heaping dose of self inserting/ projection kris' stock forward sprite looks like a boy, so that means kris is a boy, end of argument of course, kris' is referred to with the they/ them pronouns so they cant up and say they think kris is a boy, but they very comfortably will play their hand in cases like >>4059112or when they shittalk kriselle for being 'heteronormative', whatever the fuck that means
>>4059115noelle can still be a lesbian and berdly can still be straight if they can accept one silly little theory
>>4059117The theory that BROKE everyone.
I would actually play CoLrune if he ever made his own version of the gameYou have to admit that a lot of the criticism the game gets is because of the exceedingly convoluted plot the game has in comparison to how little it has to tie it all up and the FUCKING TRAITOR KRIS twist was what started it all. You can't deny that CH1 is completely different from the rest of the game
>>4059119But if CoL made Deltarune we wouldn't have Side B.
>>4059119isn't he actually working on a mod that brings his "vision" to life?
>>4059121We wouldn't need Side B if the shit squad wasn't full of morons, and you can still do genocides in some other way without involving noelle I bet
>>4059122That Kriselle mod?
>>4059119vanilla jrpgs are boringalso it's been said a gorillion times already but the game isn't finished. personally i trust the dog. i really think everything will make sense by the end.still.. im not sure the episodic release format was the best choice for his brand of storytelling.
>>4059119>CoLrunejust woke up and dont want to read the threadWhats that
>>4059122lol lmaoif he had any drive or ambition he wouldn't be throwing a tantrum here every day
>>4059122Where does he even post anyways?People keep mentioning him but I haven't actually seen him in this board nor is the occasional /v/ breads>>4059126I like deltarune for the cast so I would enjoy itI don't see this going in any other way but a lederdump because how do you tie up so many ends on 2 chapters with one of them only bothering to conclude "one aspect" of the entire thing
>>4059117That's the ultimate seethe, though.
>>4058735Dragon quest 12Dragon Quest monsters 4Metroid dread 2 or whatever they call itAnd a bunch of small games, thought these days I mostly just play pinball sims all day long when I want to play something
>>4059067Post the chad kid buckets part
>>4059126i trusted the dog before ch5, then i became unsure his damage control lore patch and cope newsletter make me very concerned for ch6, like he knows people are going to hate it but it's totally cool because he's already ripped off mother 3's ch7 for deltarune's ch7 so that'll make it ok
Anyone else think the presence or not of rude buster and its remixes is important? The first 3 chapters all have it (with 3 having two remixes), then when the stakes rise 4 doesn't, and then 5 has weeb buster again. Combined with the 4 battle music being "from now on" I think Susie's regression might be in the music as well
>Ralsei finds something really funny and forgets to cover his mouth while he laughs>He sounds just like thishttps://youtu.be/KLbiX4xNoBY>If you've done the MANTLE stuff Kris freaks out and backs awayEven if it's really unlikely, it'd be so cool if something like that happened
>>4059067This is really missing some of the best parts. I came buckets when one of the girl’s was fucked in a pool and the chad kid who liked her was forced to watch. The ending cg with the shot of the girl’s limp legs had me in diamonds. I also love the fact that all the tomboys have big boobs. And the scene where the main boy gets a double blowjob from his tomboy childhood friend and younger sister was great. The OVA had nice original scenes too. Once that chad kid was holding back a door when the ugly middle aged fatty used his tick to break through the door, aiming his dick right at chad kid's anus and lifted him into the air with his long dick. But we can't forget the double blowjob the main boy gets from his tomboy childhood friend and his little sister. Why do you keep on forgetting https://files.catbox.moe/8wpfo0.jpg?
>>4059137What's the freaking POINT of Chapter 6?>short>just one majornlore reveal when people are starved to progress the story>no weird route>so inconsequential almost everything that matters is left for the final chapterWhy not just cancel Chapter 6 and make it all Chapter 7. At most I'd accept if 6 releases like february of next year so the waiting is much reduced if it's going to be essentially a teaser chapter.
>>4059172>But we can't forget the double blowjob the main boy gets from his tomboy childhood friend and his little sister.Just like Asriel...
something something society
>>4059188>Italy is Krusie countryHoly fuark...
>>4059188>North America>Krusie>No Japan listedFake and gay
>>4059188don't think i can't notice the edits
why doesn't susie just do this
>>40591746 is the suselle breakout
>>4059188>kriselleБaзeд
>>4059188>Suselle>IndiaLMAO
>>4059195>Chara Gaster? Oh yeah, that was the name of my neighbour from before I moved to Hometown
>>4059188>France>KriselleBasé.
>>4058878Toby knows his babble:>Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
>>4058860>Says that Toby doesn't vaguepost while vagueposting himself
>>4059068I guess so, Sans doesn't need to remember about Noelle because she lives in Snowdin already.
>>4059069When is Toby making nude alert when we have sex with his human lolis?
>>4059202Oh oui oh oui
>>4059188@ralseiGPT is this true?
>>4059195Don't let Susie think too much, this will hurt her cranial bones.
https://youtu.be/kScDdlhORBwhttps://youtu.be/QZ03-aaO4sAhttps://youtu.be/xz61v-lss5gEven if you liked Chapter 5, I refuse to let you say it's not a real shame we did not follow through on the momentum built by the end of Chapter 3 and the whole of Chapter 4.
>>4059224Chapter 4's ending was so good it was tough to beat it but eh 5 could have really ended in a less anticlimatic note
>>4059224I assume the idea is that you think shit is gonna hit the fan in 4, then 5 is surprisingly not as tense, to make you lower your defenses, and then 6 is where the serious stuff actually starts happening, hitting you harder.I don't think this works that well when there's years long waiting periods between chapters though.
>>4059227>>4059228I still think 4 and 5 should have been swapped if we had to keep them 1:1
>>4059154More proof that chapters 4 and 5 were swapped at some point when toby was finalizing the script
>>4059090>>4058975>>4058971>>4058969Nah, Chapter 5 disproves it needing kris' soul or else she would be long gone already since he was eating shit without a soul. Plus a black shard was found during the incident.I personally believe the knight is a titan adjacent being that has dess' soul through either absorbing it or it being formed as a result of dess trying to seal the shelter dark fountain. Think of like Angela from Lobotomy Corp >Why is it doing this shit?To progress the prophecy>Why is it kidnaping people?It's evil
>>4059047Noelle doesn't seem to understand blood that much so chances are Susie and Sans are mutts
>>4059224Chapter 5 was always going to be more lighthearted than 4, since 4 was Waterfall and 5 was Snowdin.
5 being after 4 makes sense because this Chapter is all about putting your head in the sand and pretending everything is fine, pretending that things are just as lighthearted as Chapter 2 and that there's nothing to worry about as long as you close your eyes and pretend it's not there.
kris is a little faggot
>>4059224Yeah it's like the equivalent of fighting the leader of the Royal Guard with a nigh unwavering will and instead of keeping that momentum we go to fighting some gay robot that likes human culture
>>4059254Imagining a world where undertale is released in chapters makes me giggle>YOO THE GAME'S TONE IS TOTALLY GONNA BE DARKER NOW AFTER WATERFALL>WAIT WHY IS THIS GAY ROBOT DANCING AT ME WHAT THE FUCK TOBY WHERE IS MY EDGY CHILD MURDER DRAMA>CAN THIS ALPHYS WEEB STFU>*insert schizo retardation about guest writers or some shit because of Alphys ruining the le tone*
>>4059137>damage control lore patchThis is funny when people pretend to find FRIEND garbage interesting
>>4059260BUT ANON THE CAT IS GOING TO BITE MY BALLS
>>4059260It's more interesting than the garbage lesbian romance the game's got going on right now
I see some people talk about how Chapter 4 and 5 should've been or must've been swapped somehowHonestly, if Chapter 5 came before Chapter 4, shit would've been curtains for Chapter 4, I remember the Holiday Mansion + Kris beating you up with the hockey stick already created titanic seething, could you imagine how bad shit would be in a post-Suselle Lake world? Tons of people here would mentally check out and refuse to engage with the rest of the game's contents sincerely, they'd just scream that Mary Susie the Susellian is now stealing even more spotlight from Kris and Gerson is just her generic overpowered mentor and of COURSE she gets a brand new cool weapon and of COURSE she's the one to figure out how to beat the Titan for good and-Even early on I could tell a lot of people tolerated Susie just because they thought she would be Kris's future breeding sow, normally characters like her pink most of the "girlboss" flags on 4chinz
>>4059265>Mary Susie the Susellian is now stealing even more spotlight from Kris and Gerson is just her generic overpowered mentor and of COURSE she gets a brand new cool weapon and of COURSE she's the one to figure out how to beat the Titan for good and-And they would be completely right.
>>4059265How are you even meant to swap chapters 4 and 5? I'm assuming only changing the order of dark worlds, because the festival obviously still needs to happen in the sunday of chapter 5. The Suselle development of coming to Noelle's house -> Invitation -> Festival and lake confession needs to happen the same way.Also Ralsei's development becomes very finnicky, he's meant to be confronted about hiding stuff and masking his feelings in 4, THEN challenged about it in 5.
Lmao I didn’t expect it to last long but I also didn’t expect my Spamton thread to get wiped that fast, it’s barely past 8am
>>4058349Susie can't complement Noelle for any character traits because Noelle barely HAS a character in the normal route especially when shes around susie. like the fuck was susie suppose to say>"uhh... you being terrified of literally everything completes me"
>>4059267>>4059265honestly the only way that toby going "after chapter 7 is out you'll understand why the game is set this way!" is if susie herself is a gaster plant that he added to the original deltarune as a rogue element, someone not bound by fate and able to break through the prophecy, but in a very mary sue way, like a commentary on that trope. but it comes at the cost of her stealing everything from kris, the actual protagonistbut honestly I think toby just lost the plot, I have no faith for the future. I'm just in just to see what the fuck toby's dream was after nearly a decade>>4059268I think just the dark worlds would be enough, the rest can stay roughly the same
>>4059265I don't think they needed to be swappedBut I DO think they would've been received much better if the release groupings had been 1, 2+3, and 4+5
>>4059265>they'd just scream that Mary Susie the Susellian is now stealing even more spotlight from Kris and Gerson is just her generic overpowered mentor I mean even as it is there were people that DID still do that. Like Susie wank was an actual concern and even now some people still don't entirely like how Gerson was done
>>4059265People just like to complain for complaining sake, add in shipping retardation and it becomes a cocktail of stupidity where they refuse to engage with the game because Kris isn't putting XER's penis in susie's lizard pussy>>4059271She's not a gaster plant, but the antagonistNO ONE CAN CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE IN THIS WORLDThe dragon is doomed to be slain by the heroesNo matter how much you try to trick her into thinking she's a hero herself, fate will kick things back into its intended place
>>4059265People only tolerated Noelle and Susie because they thought they would become Kris's HMOFA sex slaves. Turns out Toby doesn't like that type of relationships (he prefers HFOFA)
>>4059278Sometimes I think the only reason /v/irgins haven't given up on the game completely yet is that despite the Krusie HMOFA side collapsed there's still the Kriselle HMOFA part still standing, otherwise 90% of you all would just hate the game.
>>4059265People completely fucking misremember what chapter 4 was like and it's not even a new thing. This game really does live and die on HYPE MOMENTS and AURA and the reset gets memoryholed. Just like chapter 2 is all Spamton and Snowgrave but actually playing it is fucking miserable because it's 80% Suselle and 20% those three gay robots nobody even remembers.
>>4059280They think 7B is just gonna be Kriselle HMOFA where Kris will have sex with Noelle the entire Chapter.
>>4059281>three gay robots nobody even remembers.I mean compare the robots to the flowers as a exampleWay more successful and memorable even if not perfect.
>>4059281Every time I remember the stories about ch2 development I find it funnier.Spamton is the one the testers complained about and wanted removed. Not the fucking jukebox robots the game spends like an hour or two shilling in spite of their negative charisma. SPAMTON.How could Toby not know after ch2 released and he saw the difference in reception that his team was to be taken with an extreme grain of salt?
>>4059284I was more fond of Flowery and Aqua the entire time I played ch5 than I was the robots at any point.
>>4059285Imagine the horror scenario there was an even more amazing deltarune we were denied because his awful playtesters told him to remove the kino
>>4059288ExactlyIts been so long that people have forgotten what the earlier chapters were like.Forgotten...Maybe that's what I really liked chapter 5, I had played the entire game right before its release for my WR save so it was all fresh in my headToby isn't this perfect writer, but grain for grain chapter 5 was his most consistently good work give or take
>>4059284Nah man, you don't have to stoop this low just to justify disliking ch5.
>>4059284Honestly, I think if you held a poal either here or /v/, most people would even put Blue above Sweet Shart’n Cakes (I still think K_K could’ve had fans if he wasn’t stuck with the other two)
>>4059256It's funny because Hotland was already the most disliked part of Undertale when it came out.
>>4059285Same with Tenna. I can't imagine someone playing ch3 and only going "ugh I hope I'll never see him again".
>>4059271>People still think Kris is the protagonist of Deltarune Lol
>>4059280>>4059283For me personally it's the hope that we get to kill everyone in 7B. I'm fine with no HMOFA so long as I get to genoslide Susie and Ralsei and most of Hometown.
>>4059293Sweet Cap'n Cakes aren't even that terrible, there are just a couple elements that make them suck in presentation:>Mixing their dialogue in the same text box doesn't work, they are not different enough to be easily differentiated and just makes you not bother to read it>The music associated with them is actually kinda bad which is rare for Deltarune standards>They aren't actually important in Chapter 2They're not even hateable more in the "well, that just happened" tier characters
>>4059280Only now you realized that? It's that plus prophecy brainwashing being real and thus Suselle being dunked next chapter. I'm certain /v/ will hate Deltarune once it finishes.
>>4059291That's how I feel like too. Only I replayed the game for WR after ch5 instead of before.>>4059293Blue had that butterfly, that's already above the robots who had nothing. I don't even dislike them but they're just basically nothing.
>>4059278>Turns out Toby doesn't like that type of relationships (he prefers HFOFA)*HFOMA
>>4059295Hey I like MettatonZesty robot niggers, what could you not like?Him doing his stupid fucking poses while his theme plays... kino fight.
>>4059297They liked Tenna and missed him, it was Flowery they were glad he was gone.
>>4059280I was gonna say that you have to be a delusional coomer to actually base your hopes for the game on that alone, but that is 90% of /v/ so I guess you are right.
>>4059300>/v/ just wants their pity genocide route to spite the gameI mean yeah checks out
>>4059300I agree.
>>4059265>Even early on I could tell a lot of people tolerated Susie just because they thought she would be Kris's future breeding sow, normally characters like her pink most of the "girlboss" flags on 4chinzI'm kind of reminded of the Spamton Sweepstakes where in the Noelle blogs you had that moment where Susie actually acts like a genuine aggressive sperg maliciously bullying Kris for no reason but for some reason the takeaway here was that fucking NOELLE was somehow in the wrong, like Susie just warped the fanbase so hard that she was literally always in the right no matter how much she's going apeshit on other people, and I could only rationalize that as being the result of people wanting to fuck Susie while viewing Noelle as the intruder that's stealing dinowaifu from them (how the tables turn)
>>4059309I mean what other reason is there to play the game? Seriously, I just can't find any. Tell me, what is your reason for playing the game, why do you find the story interesting, what do you expect to get from it? Because to me all I see coming out of the game's story, at least in the normal route, is just a bog-standard story about defying fate, and some uninteresting meta-commentary about the nature of videogames and the relationship between the player and the characters of the world and game, or something along those lines. So tell me, what do you see in it that I don't? Help me understand.
>>4059315Deltarune, in the overwhelming majority of its game time, is:>Dark World adventures with whimsical darkner characters>Toby Fox humor, ACT shenanigans>RPG with bullet dodging gameplay as the base and gameplay gimmicks for different fights and segments>Mystery plot with character centric storytelling you're meant to let yourself be charmed byIf you can't appreciate what's right in front of you, then I don't understand why you'd bother playing the game, instead of fast fowarding a youtube video that addresses the small portion of the game you actually enjoy.
>>4059315Why is my enjoyment of the story supposed to be tied to its outcome? If you really find the moment to moment writing and gameplay and visuals all so offensive that your only solace is that you can take the route that (you assume) shows how much you think they all suck, you probably shouldn't have been playing in the first place. The point of the weird route isn't "god I hate how this game is written", that isn't how any route in any game ever works.
>>4059324I hope all these fags uninstall once it turns out that side b isn't genocide 2.0 because goddamn why are you even here or playing the game
>>4059256Genocidefags would pop a blood vessel after fighting Undyne the Undying and then waiting like a year just to fight a hundred no-name NPCs and oneshot Mettaton NEO
>>4059327Well, yeah, kinda...a little bit...
>>4059322I can appreciate some of that stuff, I liked chapter 5's gameplay, and the flowers were mostly cool, but there's a lot of things that I didn't like regarding how the story is developing. If I was feeling like this in chapter 2 I would have dropped the game but it's too late now, I feel the need to see it through regardless, especially since I was a massive idiot and actually paid money for it instead of pirating like a sensible person, but I still hold some hope for the weird route, since that's been the most enjoyable part of the game by far, and not because of kriselle, which is nice, but I don't actually expect it to happen, even on the weird route. Hopefully 7B can deliver.>>4059324>The point of the weird route isn't "god I hate how this game is written", that isn't how any route in any game ever works.I don't really give a shit about what the point is, there's just some things I want to do in the game and the only way it seems I might be able to do this is in the weird route. I want to kill Susie and Ralsei, do I think the point of killing Susie and Ralsei is to tell the game that I hate its characters and how the game is written? No, I'm sure there's some other narrative reason for it, but I don't really care about the point, all I care about is that I get to kill them.
>>4059315I enjoy Toby's games unlike you, that's why I play Deltarune.
>>4059329Deltarune is $25, it's not a lot money, and spending even more hours of your time on it isn't going to compensate you.Sounds like you can still play 7B to see what happens.>all I care about is that I get to kill them.I don't know, hating the main characters is a very poor way of engaging with a story. You know the point of Genocide wasn't killing the characters because you hate them, right?
>>4059329>I don't really give a shit about what the point is, there's just some things I want to do If you don't really care what the point is that should indicate a detachment from the story, but if you were detached from the story you would no longer be engaged with the writing that made the characters rewarding to kill. Also, death only happens in the story, so you'd have to re-engage to get anything out of it.So I think you're lying about how little you care or hope to achieve.
>>4059325>side b isn't genocide 2.0 Listen anon I love Deltarune too but Mantle 3 points towards that.
>>4059335Toby would be the hack of the century if his magnum opus game he's been planning all this time is just the same shit he already made but better 10 years ago
>>4059335Side B will almost certainly be designed to deny any satisfaction to people who did genocide because they "didn't care about the story, just wanted to kill them".
>>4059335The whole theme of the game is interpretations and shitMANTLE is eram's interpretation of side bHe is not a unbiased narrator, in fact it would fit his character to make the most cynical version of events even when it doesn't make any sense just to provoke (you) and krisWe are making the gerson mistake again where we take his lines literally and treat it as gospel for future chapters.
>>4059338Why would Toby punish his geno players now? Why do you think he would even do that?>>4059339He's the only one who's showing us a preview of some sort of 7B, and I want to do his version of 7B so I'm trusting him.
>>4059332>You know the point of Genocide wasn't killing the characters because you hate them, right?I played genocide because I was interested in how the game would change based on my actions, and I also wanted to play the cool fights. I got what I wanted, I found Genocide to be very fun, I couldn't tell you what Toby's point was with the Genocide route, but I don't really care either, I had fun, that's what matters.>>4059334What made you think that I don't care? Of course I care, if I cared I wouldn't feel frustrated about where the story was going if I didn't care. Let me write this is a different way, maybe I'll get my point across better. I don't like how the story is developing, I do not see a way for the story in the normal route to develop in a way I would enjoy, I have developed a severe dislike of some characters, and all of this has made me realize that any future enjoyment I could get from the game is mostly gonna come down to being able to hurt these characters I dislike to get some feeling of catharsis, and I only see one potential road to make this happen, I don't know what the endpoint of the road is, but as long as it leads me to pass through where I want while following it, I don't particularly care for what the endpoint actually is.
>>4059314The Susie wank was at an all time high post-Chapter 4. A lot of people myself included thought that Susie was going to be this hope-pilled, doesn't-afraid-of-anything shonen protagonist that saves the day through the power of friendship and hype moments & aura. Reptilian Mind Control is real.
>>4059345>hope-pilled, doesn't-afraid-of-anything shonen protagonist that saves the day through the power of friendship and hype moments & aura. This was Flowery except he tried to fight the Knight alone that's why he died.
>>4059344Actually, scratch that, I think I am engaging in Deltarune in the absolute best way possible, what did Toby say in the FAQ when talking about the ending?>There's something more important than reaching the end.And that's exactly how I feel too, there is something much more important than reaching the end of the weird route for me, and that's killing Susie and Ralsei, and whoever else the game lets me. I think I'm engaging with the game in the exact way Toby wants me to if I think about it like this.
>>4059346I think Flowery got smoked like that to show how this shit isn't going to work out like Undertale
>>4059346YupThe game doesn't treat people who try to defy fate nicelyIt makes the susie wank hilarious in retrospect because its rewarding her for being a peon of fate
>>4059335It's funny because 2B is literally genocide but with Noelle instead and yet people somehow think 7B won't be anything like it despite "getting stronger" being genocide's main thing, too.
>>4059343>why would Toby punish people who played a game they hated because they thought one of the routes was supposed to be for people who hated itBecause that's fucking retarded and Toby would rather you play games you actually like.>>4059344>What made you think that I don't care?Saying you don't really give a shit about what the point is.>any future enjoyment I could get from the game is mostly gonna come down to being able to hurt these characters I dislike to get some feeling of catharsisAlso this. Anyone who gets something inherently out of "hurting" the fictional characters is silly to me. If you're pissed off by how they're written in the main route, you'll be pissed off by how they're written even if you're killing them. Why is that "catharsis"? Why trust a writer whose style you clearly dislike to provide you exactly what you want in this one department?
>>40593512B literally had Spamton as the 5 LEFT counter, Toby couldn't have made the parallels more clear.Like, why is Spamton NEO the final boss of 2B? Like, why NEO and not Queen? Could it be because he's both the reason you have the ThornRing and because he's connected to a geno boss?
>>4059353>Like, why is Spamton NEO the final boss of 2B?Because Spamton represents the freedom subplot and side B is another form of FREEDOM.
>>4059353I think 3-5 having no weird route gameplay made people forget the actual bunk of it back in Chapter 2 was just genocide style grinding but using Noelle’s ice magic instead. There's no reason to assume 7B will be wildly different.
>>4059352>Saying you don't really give a shit about what the point is.Yeah, about what the point is, not about the whole route as a whole, the experience of playing through the route, I care about that. Let's go back to the genocide route again, I don't particularly care what the point of the route was, but playing through it was great, seeing how the characters react to your actions, the fights, the music, it was all very cool. I don't know what the "point" of it was, I couldn't tell you, but I can tell you that it was very enjoyable and I look back on it fondly.>Why is that "catharsis"? I don't really think I can put that in words, either you get it or you don't.>Why trust a writer whose style you clearly dislike to provide you exactly what you want in this one department?Because he has written some things I like, for example, the entire weird route, which I found to be very enjoyable, so I hope the trend of him writings things that I enjoy in the weird route continues. Could I be wrong? Sure, but might as well have some hope until the results are clear.
>>4059345yeah i'm pretty sure there was a good chunk of people who weren't complaining about susie because she was actually pretty cool for a bit, rather than entirely because of the shipping shitof course, now the shipping is unavoidable and being forcefed to you in OOO WHAT WOULD NOELLE THINK chunks it's not so easy to see the positives
>>4059355It will be different in the sense you'll be able to use the Vessel to LARP as the Batter from OFF.
>>4059356>Let's go back to the genocide route again, I don't particularly care what the point of the route was, butWhat you found enjoyable was the "point" of the route to you.You found the music, fights, and character reactions enjoyable.Why would you expect to enjoy the reactions of a character you dislike? Do you also want good things to happen to characters you like? The purpose of events happening to a character is to show you more of that character.>Because he has written some things I like,And it's looking more and more like you only like the things you do because you view them as spitting in the face of the normal route and not because you actually like the writing.
>>4059358Oh, I agree. The point is that the route was never about dating Noelle but getting stronger genocide style.
>>4059359>Why would you expect to enjoy the reactions of a character you dislike?Why wouldn't I enjoy seeing a character I dislike suffer?>Do you also want good things to happen to characters you like? Yes, but I want to see bad things happens to characters I dislike more, and if for that to happen bad things have to happen to characters I like then, well, too bad.>And it's looking more and more like you only like the things you do because you view them as spitting in the face of the normal route and not because you actually like the writing.Yeah I like the weird route because it's different from the normal route, if you want to call that spitting in the face of the normal route then sure, call it that if you want.
>>4059358https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUOPHqx5Gs
>>4059344You can play the game whatever the way you want, just don't come back to whine if the game doesn't entertain what's left of your twisted expectations.
>>4059363>Why wouldn't I enjoy seeing a character I dislike suffer?>Yes, but I want to see bad things happens to characters I dislike more,What a bizarre mindset. So I'm assuming you play games to make bad things happen to characters you dislike? Like that's one of your primary motivators when a game has a story?>Yeah I like the weird route because it's different from the normal routeI'm saying that you wouldn't like the weird route if you didn't have the normal route. Because you only know what characters you're supposed to dislike thanks to it. Which makes your entire mindset circular.
>>4059358>LARP as the Batter>The guy who specifically omits details about his mission because he knows there's a non-zero chance you won't go along if you know his plan>He's proven right by the ending letting you choose to abandon him once someone actually makes the offerI like The Batter, but come on.
>>4059369LARP as the Batter in the sense you'll bash everyone's head in and you'll "purify" this world into pure white nothingness.
>Genocide again>Skies Forever Blue again>OFF knockoffDoes no one have a single interesting idea how 7B could go because all of those would suck
>>4059368>What a bizarre mindset. So I'm assuming you play games to make bad things happen to characters you dislike? Like that's one of your primary motivators when a game has a story?It can be one potential motivator, yes, if I see a character that I hate, whether or not me hating that character is intentional, then that can motivate me to continue playing the game so that I can punish that character, somehow. This is just how I naturally engage with games, nothing I can do about it, I understand if you do it in a different manner, we all have different tastes.>I'm saying that you wouldn't like the weird route if you didn't have the normal route. Because you only know what characters you're supposed to dislike thanks to it.Not necessarily, I enjoyed the weird route back in chapter 2 and I didn't particularly hate Susie or Ralsei then. Let me pull out the Genocide example again, I didn't dislike Undyne, or Sans when I did the Genocide route, I still did it anyways, and if anything, I actually enjoyed them even more as characters after playing it. Me liking Susie or Ralsei didn't stop me from doing the weird route in Chapter 2, and it wouldn't stop me even if I still did like them now, it would have made me waver a bit in my resolve, sure, the emotional impact would have been much different in that scenario, but I still would have continued down the path, because I still want to see how the story would develop, how they would have reacted, I can enjoy seeing characters suffering, whether they are characters I like or dislike, though the reason why I enjoy it, and the type of enjoyment I get from it, does change depending on it.
>>4059372IT'S ALL THREE MIXED TOGETHER BABYYYYYY
>>4059372Do you?
Post UTDR x OFF songs.https://youtu.be/MUzz3KNWZx0
>>4059376No, and that's what worries me
A good 7B theory acknowledges the VHS tape aesthetic
>>4059380Simulation theories are ass too
>>4059380>7B has a VHS being played on a CRT effect>Mantle is being played on a huge screen with a CRT effectTHE CONNECTIONS NEVER STOP
>>40593807B will be the game from chapter 3 again but way longer
>>4059378if this is anything like what OFF sounds like (or at least the original version, heard the steam release re-arranged most tracks) then I might've been missing out on kino
>>4059295Anons will try to ignore or rewrite history to support their claims.Mettaton NEO's one hit kill and the complete absence of an Omega Asgore fight are real stinkers in Undertale, there wasn't an outrage because the game came out at once and everyone got distracted by Sans, but it still doesn't justify it.
>>4059380That's just simulation theory and that theory is VERY controversial. Maybe since mini Kris escapes the game in Mantle in the end we will escape the simulation to fight Gaster at 7B?
>>4059380Toby is jumping into the analog horror trend just how he jumped into the FNAF-esque deepest lore trend with Undertale in 2015 (the demo didn't have shit like fun events and such.)
>>4059380Noelle's nonsense pushed the DEVICE to its limits. It had to fall back to older and more fault tolerant technology to keep connected.
>>4059387My problem with "break out of the simulation" is that you're still in the simulation. As in, the video game. It's a little arbitrary when at the end of the day you're playing the same game you always have been playing
>>4059386That's probably why Toby added/will add both of them to Deltarune.
>>4059387>The SOMA Theory strikes back
>>4059385>didn't play the original OFF>only "might've" missed out on kino
>>4059390Did you play OneShot? That can be a reference to what a game whose thing is about a simulation being treated as within a simulation plays out like
>>4059387>Maybe since mini Kris escapes the game in Mantle in the end we will escape the simulation to fight Gaster at 7B?While I do think simulation theory is possible, not for certain though, I think this was more of a way of showing that the character you control in the last stage of Mantle, while looking like Kris, isn't actually Kris.
>>4059390I think it will be like Danganronpa V3 were there's layers of fiction in it and Deltarune is a simulation to Gaster/Undertale which in turn is fictional to us.
>>4059391>ASGORE WILL TOTALLY GO OMEGA AND STOP YOUR SNOW GRAVES AND DESTROY SANS IN CHAPTER 5, THE PROPHECY TOLD ME THATcan't wait to fight the real mike in nude alert in 2045 too
>>4059391Toby already added a real "NEO" fight with Spamton in Side B.The Asgore room with the flowers in Mantle implies something similar to Omega ASGORE, although it's the Power of six flowers instead of six souls.
>>4059399At not a single point Spamton NEO made up for the lack of a real Mettaton NEO fight in UT.I like him as his own thing, but the geno route remains lackluster with the small amount of bosses.
>>4059402>After creating UNDERTALE, one of my goals for DELTARUNE was for players to finally be able to challenge a "real" version of Mettaton NEO that didn't just end in one turn. For that purpose, I actually created a few music mockups for an extended version of Power of NEO.From Toby's rejected music newsletter. This POWER OF NEO track is also very similar to POWER OF SPAMTON.
>>4059387I think simulation theories are only controversial when people use them as a way to completely discredit every component of a setting from start to finish, like a really bizarrely cynical take on Doylist analysis where you’re not actually supposed to ‘think’ about anything that’s happening because it may as well just be some character actually having hallucination in a coma while they’re dying of ultra mega AIDS
>>4059397Yes, it's on board 3. Asgore and his weeding bouquet are bosses in 7B.
>>4059399>>4059403>Six Souls(Flowers) Asgore boss fight could be in 7BHow the fuck would 7A even match this level of kino if it ends up being true?
>>4059404Coma theories ruined people's perception a story can be set in another level of reality, because the punchline used is always how nothing matters and your dreams are just dreams
>>4059403And how does any of this matter to what I said?
>>4059409Spamton NEO was born out of Toby's desire to make a real Mettaton NEO fight.
>>4059412If he wanted to make a real NEO fight he should have done it in the moment that actually called for that, not shoved into a random context years later.And by the way, getting a real Asgore, Ramb or Mike fight in 6 or 7 won't magically excuse the previous chapters not doing it.
>>4059338>Side B will almost certainly be designed to deny any satisfaction to people who did genocide because they "didn't care about the story, just wanted to kill them".But Toby rewarded the players with the best battles in Undertale, and with the best and most interesting content in Deltarune, every promotional material Toby does himself is entirely about the weird route, like the sweepstakes and the ARG.Its time people like you stopped coping and accepted the fact that Toby creams himself whenever he thinks about genocide and the weird route.
>>4059420When did I say Toby doesn't like genocide or the weird route, people who play them, or anything like that?Do you think the only motive for the weird route is not caring about the normal route...?
>>4059422>When did I say Toby doesn't like genocide or the weird route, people who play them, or anything like that?Right here>will almost certainly be designed to deny any satisfactionIf Toby likes it, then he'll certainly make it enjoyable. It doesn't make sense to design it around denying satisfaction to the player if the entirety of it was already satisfying, and the only way you could reach that conclusion is thinking that Toby hates the players that enjoy this kind of content.
Does the game even track if you pacify vs spare?Whats even the purpose of pacifying? Why the hell did Susie get a pacify spell?It might become an actual mechanic during chapter 6 or 7, like having enemies that won't be spareable and you'll have to pacify them if you still want to be a Pacifist.
>>4059426I assume Susie getting a pacify spell and also there being items to make pacify take no TP does mean that we might get enemies that you won't be able to spare through acting, and will need to pacify instead if you don't want to beat them up. Honestly considering they might need to be pacified you might straight up be able to kill them through fighting.
>>4059423That isn't what I said. Read the entire sentence. Toby likes genocide and the weird route, he thinks if you play them because you hate some other part of the game then you're only hurting yourself, and he will try to make that clearer in the weird route than he did with genocide. That's all I'm suggesting.
>>4059426It does track, yeah.
>>4059429>he thinks if you play them because you hate some other part of the game then you're only hurting yourselfCould you give your reasoning for thinking this way?
CHIPS AHOY FAGGOTSI'VE HEARD Y'ALL ENJOY BATTLING YER SHIPS
>>4059435I suppose I still engage in ship wars somewhat, but my perspective has shifted into something like this.
>>4059433A big part of Undertale was leading the player to do what they directly get enjoyment out of. The main thing Undertale itself contrasts this against is doing things for the sake of completionism, but that isn't the only spectrum it applies to. Playing one part of a game out of spite for another is moving which thread of a spiderweb you're stuck on. It's the same spider.
>>4059440I think the main point of contention here is that you don't think something done out of spite can lead to enjoyment.
>>4059444No, I do, but I believe that enjoyment is indirect in a similar way to the enjoyment of completionism. Enjoying something for how it relates to something else is fundamentally different than simply enjoying that something. And trying to play a game primarily off that indirect enjoyment kinda sucks.
>>4059446>Enjoying something for how it relates to something else is fundamentally different than simply enjoying that something.This is a very strange way of viewing this becasue, for me, one of the most fun parts in playing something with a narrative with lots of different routes is seeing how each route compares and contrasts with one another, yeah some enjoyment is derived purely from the route itself, but a lot of it I get from seeing how different it is compared to the others. It just wouldn't be as fun for me if I experienced each route in a vacuum.
>>4059450Did you actually play all the routes you wound up comparing? Or were there some you felt would be largely repetitive to do and wound up learning about secondhand? That was you opting out of playing something on primarily indirect enjoyment.I'm not advocating for experiencing the routes in a vacuum, here.
>>4059430>inb4 the pacifist route is the pacify routePacifying is so hard to do though, its really easy to end overshooting and killing the enemy.
Suselle is fucking dogshit. If this isn't some bait from Toby, I'm dropping the game. I'm not going to consume this poorly written diarrhea. This retarded pairing is going to ruin the whole game. It's so fucking bad. They barely know each other at all. They started talking to each other four fucking days ago. Fucking absurd.
>>4059451NTA but it comes back to this point>Enjoying something for how it relates to something else is fundamentally different than simply enjoying that somethingWhy are you asking if that anon played all the routes they're comparing? Would that change the way you feel about his argument?They already described how they enjoy seeing how each route compares to each other, so its easy to assume they played it.It seems like your problem is with people that don't end up playing the route themselves or something, and that would lead to a lesser enjoyment, but that wasn't your original argument. You began your argument saying that "if you hate another part of the game, you're not enjoying it properly/Toby isn't designing this part for you" and that "playing genocide out of spite for the characters certainly isn't enjoyable" which isn't absolutely true, there's still enjoyment to be had. In this, I agree that there's a lesser enjoyment if you simply hate the characters and the "main game", but a person can certainly love the main game and LOVE even more killing Toby's stupid chungus characters and seeing them try the hardest to fight you.
Why can none of you fags predict chapter 6? Chapter 5 was correctly predicted, so this is disappointing.
>>4059451Depends on the game, some games simply don't have every route be interesting enough for me to do it, one example is Fallout, yeah, I could do a bunch of routes but really I am not interesting in going through all the game again just to see the differences between, let's say, in New Vegas, going NCR versus going Legion. But I would say that's mostly a gameplay issue rather that it inherently being an unfun activity, and many people have done multiple playthroughs of NV with each one doing different things, so clearly even though I find it an issue, others don't, so this is a personal issue rather than the activity being inherently unfun.An example that is actually fun to go through, a VN for example, Tsukihime, going through the different routes is fun, and to be fair, kind of expected if you intend to actually get the full narrative of the game, and seeing what happens and what changes depending on the route and your choices is very interesting, just seeing how the story can develop in one way or another dependings on the events of the story, which are affected by your actions, it's fun. It probably wouldn't be as fun if it was all put into one linear mega route. Another example, Undertale, Pacifist is fun, Genocide is fun, but, at least for me, Genocide wouldn't be as fun without Pacifist. You go into Genocide with the knowledge that you could give all of these characters a good ending, but you aren't, you're actively trying to inflict as much harm as possible on them instead, and this makes the whole route just much more interesting and fun, at least for me.Overall I think this is just an opinion thing, you find this particular way of playing the game to not be enjoyable, that's fine, some people do. I think red is a better color than blue, does that mean red is objectively better than blue? No, it's just my personal preference.
>>4059459How the fuck are you going to ascertain if a prediction is correct or not if the thing that's being predicted hasn't happened yet?
>>4059465I think its interesting how you bring VNs and Tsukihime, because its probably how toby is gonna handle plot threads and overall mysteriesYou will get some answers on the main route, but if you want a comprehensive picture then you must explore what the game has left to offerKinda like in Tsukihime and how you know fuck all about the maids, SHIKI or how they're drugging the MC if you just did Ciel or Arc's route.
>>4059468By looking at the quality of prediction and its relation to previous established facts. The best I've seen is that chapter 6 will focus solely on revealing the knight's identity. This is based on nothing.
>>4059470Yeah I think it's possible that it's gonna be like that. If it is, it's gonna be very funny to see people realize that they're gonna have to do the weird route in order to get a bunch of important story answers.
>>4059480>This is based on nothing.If you ask me I think it's based on Toby's words on the last newsletter>Chapter 6 is a shorter, straightforward chapter that focuses on one aspect of the story. Because of that, many things are still not touched on here – in fact, it may surprise you what was missing! But one thing will be clarified, whether you’re ready or not.Chapter 6 focuses on one chapter of the story, and there is one big reveal. What could this aspect of the story and reveal be? Given the circumstances, Rudy dying, Noelle potentially being taught the truth of the dark worlds, it's gonna be focused on the Holiday family and their past events, and the big reveal is gonna be the Knight's identity.Is that good enough for you?
>>4059455y r u homophobic
>>4059486One thing can include several layers, you know
>>4059457>You began your argument saying that "if you hate another part of the game, you're not enjoying it properly/Toby isn't designing this part for you" and that "playing genocide out of spite for the characters certainly isn't enjoyable"Yes to the first, no for the second. And the hypothetical this started on was spite for the entire story, not just the characters.>there's a lesser enjoyment if you simply hate the characters and the "main game"That's all I was trying to say.>but a person can certainly love the main game and LOVE even more killing Toby's stupid chungus charactersIf you loved the main game that much, I question your choice to call them "stupid chungus characters". I can't see any pacifist/neutral route boss fights being particularly enjoyable if you don't like how the character is written. Does the gameplay and music really carry THAT hard?>>4059465>so clearly even though I find it an issue, others don't, so this is a personal issue rather than the activity being inherently unfun.I mean, I agree with everything you said there, I just apply it differently. Out of those who can enjoy multiple runs, there's probably a good percentage who hold a greater enjoyment of the game regardless of what route they're playing or how different it is. They simply have more direct enjoyment from engaging with the writing, the world, the mechanics, or something in that vein, to pair with the relative enjoyment of comparing to their prior runs. You chose not to play multiple runs, not anticipating enough differences between runs to generate the relative enjoyment that would justify a replay. Both can be true.>It probably wouldn't be as fun if it was all put into one linear mega route.God, I hope I didn't imply I wanted that. (Not universally, at least. I'm sure there's multi-route games out there that would be better off without.)>Genocide wouldn't be as fun without PacifistI agree, but I also think the inverse. They complement each other.
>>4059455>four days agothree days ago, susie and noelle didn't speak to each other in ch1
>>4058859It never goddamn ends
>>4059496Plus, if we assume most of the characterization from the sweepstakes blogposts is still true, Noelle literally never built up the courage to actually interact with Susie ever since she first came to Hometown.Suselle truly is the prophecy's ship, solely because it means Kris has to suffer even more, and Word of God has declared him the Oersted of Deltarune.
>>4058883We're taking about retards still so thoroughly mindbroken that mike didn't replace gaster that they're still seething about it to this very day.
>>4059459>Chapter 5 was correctly predicted,Lmao no.
>>4059499yeah, i don't even think they spoke when noelle gave susie the penciltruly a masterclass romance that will be studied and praised for decades to come
>>4059492I'm not gay. I don't find it attractive, sinole as. Don't expect me to like it.
>>4059502Yes it was. >The festival being a giant nothingburgerPredicted>Dark world set in Asgore's shopPredicted>Flower characters mirroring the Undertale soulsPredicted>Flowey equivalentPredicted>WoodyPredicted>Asgore development a red herring and not doing shitPredicted>Pink being one of the flowersPredicted>Secret boss being a magical girl characterPredicted
>>4059507>I'm not gayYou will be
>>4059459Literally no one predicted fuck all happening in 5 or asgore just vagueposting before being dragged into Carol’s rape bunker
>>4059512the only thing gayer fucking ralsei is fucking kristhere's no winning in that situation, it will always be gay
>>4059514eh, when toby released newsletter where he says we should look away from scary thing one last time, and focus on fun adventure, half the board interpreted it as>nothing will happen
>>4059511>Festival nothingburgerOnly doomers predicted this.>Flower King, Flowers paralleling Flowey + Fallen HumansNot really a prediction when it's been loudly telegraphed since chapter 1.>WoodyNot really a prediction given the Flowers were always gonna be based on the Fallen Human equipment.>Vaguepost King & Asgore doing jack shitOnly doomers correctly predicted this.>Pink & Magical Girl Secret BossOnly Mew Mew coomers correctly predicted this, but she was painfully obvious in Chapter 5 before you even reached Flower Kingdom between Seam's foreshadowing and Hacker talking about the core conceit of how you even get to the fight.
>>4059512Dude, there are some things I will never read out loud. If it doesn't change, deltarune chapter 5 is one of those things
>>4059516People still expected some drama at the very end of the chapter and a few elements to catch. Not to be a complete and massive nothingburger. Hell, people were genuinely pissed off by MewMew being the schizoboss.
>>4059514Yes we did. A bunch of people here predicted it would be a nothingburger. The only surprise was Asgore not being utterly humiliated.
>>4059518So you're saying we should only listen to doomers and coomers?
>>4059516it's still insane that ch4 ended with everyone learning about the tragedy of the prophecy right after fighting a titan, only to suddenly not give a single fuck about any of that because it's time for the suselle date and to fuck around in flower world: japanit's almost impressive how hard toby hit the breaks, imagine the whiplash for people who will play the whole game when it comes out and they didn't have a year to cool off
>>4059511How many people ACTUALLY predicted the secret boss would be the encounter that suddenly showed up in the "You VILL meet Suzy Deltarune soon" UT port and not like a red flower or something Pre-Chapter 5?
>>4059520pink being the schizo boss wasn't the issuethe issue was that she had absolutely fuck all to do with the dark world she was in outside of being weeb themed the only other flower she actually interacts with is orange, and that's treated like a jokeeven jevil had more going on, as seam goes into their history and why he was imprisoned in the basement to begin with, along with him actually fitting into the theme of the dark world as the jester/ joker cardthe mew mew figure did not exist until the festival, we never see it in asgore's shop in the prior chapters despite him saying that it was his unofficial mascot of sorts
>>4059526People predicted the secret boss would be a magical girl (Apple Girlington) and that Pink would be Maddie. I'm not sure if the two were ever combined.
>Mew Mew if she was in chapter 2 instead of Spamtonhttps://youtu.be/dtFCmI_ltJo
>>4058939>it's just CoL sneeding again
>>4059528It's weird we never see it cause the Mad Dummy was implying she's been doing this shit for a while back in Chapter 2
>>4059523The only person learning anything was Susie and she eats crayons anonHer being in denial is in character, she wants everything to go on forever.
>>4059534CoL was right about all the things
>>4059529C'mon dude that's like me saying the Friend Inside Me predicted Pink cuz it's a character from a TV Show Asgore liked getting possessed and fighting against their will.
Susie hiding the final prophecy from us was UTTER BULLSHIT. That isn't how mysteries work, Toby!
>>4059523>imagine the whiplash for people who will play the whole game when it comes out and they didn't have a year to cool offchapter 5 will come off very differently if you go straight into chapter 6 after beating it
https://youtu.be/SrzDYcuZukQ
>>4059540Apple Girlinton actually makes a million times more sense as a secret boss than Pink does. You can actually believe Asgore would keep an apple in his store, and apples have been a recurring theme in Deltarune.
>>4059542Because chapter 6 will be just a cutscene lol
>>4059538the the plot relies on the characters being idiots, it's a shit plot
>>4059548Yeah I dont get that, does the game expect you to be an idiot too
>>4059544apple girlington would also still make a lot of sense as a kris parallel, especially if she was trying to 'replace' kris directly as asgore's child although that might run into some issues with aqua, who was also kris themed and was the 'replacement' in a very vague sense
>>4059549yes and noyes that you don't know anything, no that the game occasionally will make fun of you by deliberately depriving you of learning said information and then teasing you about it later
>>4059550Pink was already a Kris/Soul parallel, so that's already the case.
>>4059511>>The festival being a giant nothingburgerOnly doomers and """"""susellefags""""" (doomers with a different name) predicted this.>Flower characters mirroring the Undertale soulsMany denied this and thought they would be flower versions of Asgore’s family instead.>Flowey equivalentMost thought he would have Flowey's personality and be the secret boss.>WoodyNot in the way Yellow was portrayed.>Asgore development a red herring and not doing shitFew predicted this, most were huffing copium in him being the main boss>Pink being one of the flowers>Secret boss being a magical girl characterNope, some predicted a Mew Mew secret boss but those were few compared to Flowey and Friendfags.
>>4059544>You can actually believe Asgore would keep an apple in his storei mean it's not impossible for Asgore to have the figurine either. Not only was he already established to have an interest in anime but the figurine itself was a gift TO him because of it
>>4059522The most depraved snowcoomers are consistently the most correct ones
>>4059455It IS fucking awful and it IS the worst part of the game by far. I hope the "Susie is being controlled by the prophecy" fags are right but i sadly don't think they are
>>4059548Susie is a idiot but not *that* stupid, she subconsciously knows something is wrong, that Kris is lying to her, that Ralsei is being weird, that maybe, just maybe, this prophecy stuff has hidden asterisks even if it means she gets to fall in love and be the hero of her own story.But a soothing illusion is much appealing than the harsh truth.>>4059552Its almost like you, the player, is equally beholden to fate and the strings that make them ring
what else is he hiding from us?
>>4059305I agree. He also has one of the best boss themes in the game
>>4059327I'm still bitter about that. A Mettaton NEO fight would have been kino and Spamton proves it
>>4059526Reverse Undertale theory unironically.
>>4059541Sorry we live in the era of cultural decline so all of these rules that were in place to keep the moral message intact need to be subverted because we're trying new things I guess. Maybe try playing a game not made by a jew
>>4059561the last bunker code.
>>4059544She would've been a better parallel to Kris and serve as a faux red flower better than Pink, too.
>>4059560susie rarely asks questions when she should if the plot could be solved by asking questions, yet no one does, it means the characters are idiotssteven universe had the same problem, huge swathes of the plot could've been resolved if he had just asked the gems a couple of questions about their history and what was going on, but he doesn't susie is doing the same thing with ralsei, kris, and noelle why didn't she ask who dess was in ch2? because we would learn about it before the big twist later on in the game, so susie just keeps quiet when she learns noelle has a sisterthis is in contrast to asriel, who she does talk and ask questions about because he doesn't matter to the story, so learning about him doesn't mean anything
>>4059544nigga has all these flowers and then there's just an apple lol
>>4059246Will Noelle be the one to say it?
>>4059561How is Kris able to have a hidden inventory?Does the UI only count his pockets as inventory?
>>4059568>all of these rules that were in place to keep the moral message intact[LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]
>>4059568Why do people think Toby is jewish while also jacking off a thread personality here that’s jewish
>>4059574could say the same about his family
>>4059563REVERSE UNDERTALE CHADS....I KNEEL...Does this mean chapter 6 will be the holiday house? Since uh... old home or some shit>>4059576My head-canon is that he has sans levels of shit and trickery that can exploit what (you) see, say and act (to a extent anyway, WR obviously proofs that this isn't perfect)He's probably even working with the guy behind the scenes.
>>4059581Meant to reply to >>4059566
>>4059579toby being jewish stems from the seething latinx trying to slander him because he didn't want to risk his brand by having them do an event in their shithole favelas since people are very critical of isreal right now, they thought it was the most efficient way to talk shit and discredit himnever mind that toby is known to have gone to church growing up and the head spic is literally a jewish witch
>>4059492But anon kriselle is yuri due to kris being non-binary. You wouldn’t be accusing kriselle of being h-hetslop?
>>4059580i know i know. i was just pointing the disconnect still being there despite it supposedly being more believable
>>4059584>kriselle is yuriRetard
>>4059560Why bother the player if they can't even beat the game themselves
>>4059586Kris x Noelle is yuri. Kris x Berdly is straight.
>>4059581>He's probably even working with the guy behind the scenes.Sans definitely knows about the Soul and the plan.Why else would he pretend to have never met Kris in Ch1 and why would he just so happen to intercept Toriel from going to the church in ch4
>>4059583They're critical because they're brown and they can't kill jews when they say they want to
>>4059589This is true.
>>4059581Chapter 6 WILL be in the Holiday house and it WILL be the ice palace or ice RUINS
>>4059577Take a hammer, and destroy my games yourself, if you hate them so much.
>>4059584>non-binaryKris is a boy. He has a penis. I don't care what he calls himself, it's a mental illness.
>>4059582The next chapter is indeed the ruins mirror so we should expect an area like it and a main boss like Toriel, yes.
>>4059592Nice to see people have catched on, 'nice to meet you again' is meant to trick you into thinking its meant to be meta or the SOUL, but it could be Kris's genuine thoughts Sans might be the only guy at his side ironically enough that isn't exploiting him (I,E the knight/carol)
>>4059579Wasn't it known that he was jewish since the undertale days? I don't even mean it to make fun of him, i just could swear that was a known thing
but what ifthe cut sprites with noelle's illuminated smile at the lake was actually supposed to parallel the knight's visor?
>>4059516It’s honestly concerning how Toby’s idea of a “final fun adventure” is one where literally nothing happens and there’s no real tension makes me think chapters 6 and 7 will have the complete opposite problem leading to a lot of tonal whiplash when the games finished. It feels like chapter one and maybe two were the only ones to competently balance comedy, lore, and big emotional beats
>>4059495>If you loved the main game that much, I question your choice to call them "stupid chungus characters"But they are. I love Undyne but without the genocide route her personality would be reduced to a mere quirky chungus character, that doesn't mean its a bad thing but I like when the characters have two sides to them, or more.I think Toby reached new heights and the perfection of this with Tenna. I like his antics but I can understand why Kris would want to break him so much and I get enjoyment from knowing that I partake in the same mindset as Kris and deal more damage to Tenna even in the "normal/pacifist" route.
>>4059602>he fell for the meme
>>4059584Actually how the fuck does that work in those freak's minds? they seem to think "non-binary" is different from male or female so wouldn't Kriselle be neither straight nor yuri?
>>4059589>Kris x Noelle is yuriNo. Kris is literally a boy.>Kris is a 16 yo human>his sprite looks like this>there are no visible feminine features, no breasts or hips>broad shoulders>Kris is broader than Noelle, even though he's shorter than her>wears men's clothing>carries a knife>his hairstyle is pretty short and boyish>he shares a room with his brother>he pranked and teased his childhood friend to get attention
>>4058967If the "most popular" motivation is finding Dess, then it's down to fandom retardation. The Knight pretty clearly isn't looking for Dess
>>4059601>Sans might be the only guy at his side ironically enough that isn't exploiting him (I,E the knight/carol)Even that's debatable considering he's in likely cahoots with Gaster, who's the very reason Kris's suffering is even in place because he wants HIS DELTARUNE to have a new future, no matter what it takes.
>>4059606Most likely
>>4059550Pink isn't supposed to be solely a Kris parallel but I assume the disconnect was on purpose anyway. She's a gift to Asgore and a Lighter/Darkner combo that is "part" of a family that is neither Lightner or Darkner and unlike the rest isn't aggressively pining for Asgore's affection for whatever reason. Outside of literally being an anime girl she really does not belong
>>4059602>lets people donate thousands to help dismantle IsraelAre you retarded? Do you actually think he's a Jew.
>>4059584I guarantee you if this fanbase wasn’t deathly afraid of being called transphobic most people would just call kris a guy with a handful of coomers and elite knowers pushing femkris. I know this because that’s what happened during the chapter 1 days until a certain frog faggot started having a melty about the fagbase. For fucks sake 90% of susellefags STILL effectively see kris as a dude
>>4059609The Knight also isn't trying to cause The Roaring or it would've done so the instant it was born, one of the very few thoughtful observations from our idiot plot cast, so that's why people are assuming there's some sort of convoluted motive (and there basically is, considering Toby refuses to do anything except vaguepost until chapter 7 because he's THAT scared of people figuring out the story before it's told).
>>4059608your alpha male gigachad, sir
>>4059609The knight is trying to revive Dess. It's the only motivation we have.
I’m betting on 20+ results by the time Chapter 6 comes out
>>4059601>Sans might be the only guy at his side ironically enough that isn't exploiting him0 chance Considering that Sans has an explicit Connection to Wing Ding Goner Maker Gaster, he's probably acting as Kris's handler.
Kris is a girl. She acts like the quiet girl, her only friends are girls (Ralsei is feminine he doesn't count) and she's retarted just like a girl her age would be!
>>4059584Kriselle is the most heterosexual pairing that ever existed. No amount of coping from epstein wannabes with yuricuck fetish will change that. They're literally a boy and a girl who live next door to each other. It's fucking one of those romantic tropes.
can we please hold off on the kris gender discourse until next threadwe shouldn't be talking in circles about it every single time
>Kriselle is the most heterosexual pairing that ever existed.So heterosexual they argued on who should have been the Queen.
>>4059623Cultural phenomenon and LITERALLY the biggest game of the century, PLEASE understand.
>>4059623cultural phenomenon not a general janny likes it
>>4059619Gaster shattered across space and timeHe doesn't exist to the current sans
>>4059605>I love Undyne but without the genocide route her personality would be reduced to a mere quirky chungus character, that doesn't mean its a bad thingI have never in my life heard someone call something they're enjoying "quirk chungus". Forgive me if I was a little skeptical.
>>4059616He's a teenage boy, you retarded yuricuck. I've already shown you that he's broader than Noelle and has a more sturdy build.
>>4059529Nobody "predicted" that, she's a character that existed beforehand so it always was a what if situation. People "predicted" tons of shit like this and none of that came true and never will because it's the most obvious shit.
>>4059607According to the “wider fanbase” and ship involving an “ebny” is automatically gay. So krusie and kriselle are yuri while Kerdly and kralsei are yaoi. EVERYTHING’S gay cause fuck you. And btw asking about kris’s birth gender? That’s transphobic cause you’re just treating kris like a mentally ill man/woman and not the genderless bean that they are!
>>4059633Oh, this prediction shit is obvious, huh? Then you should have no problems predicting chapter 6.
>>4059618>I’m betting on 20+ results by the time Chapter 6 comes outCheck your friends, the yurifags, who are always posting the same thing over and over.
>>4059589I'm Toby Fox and I approve this message.
>>4059630I somewhat agree but he talks to (you) if you fail the knight fight and the ending of chapter 4 so he EXISTS and seems to be... alive?Might be that he's lost control of his experiment to ERAM or something which explains why the vessel is discarded.
>>4059628And they have the nerve to tell you to fuck off if you don't like itAs if it didn't replace the games you want to play
>>4059623>only two threads have over 200 postsHoly shit
>>4059625>Noelle is the girliest girl who ever girled to the point that she only played Smash Bros so she could play house with all the girl characters>Kris understands well that Noelle values her femininity>Kris ALSO loves teasing and pranking Noelle to get a reaction out of her>this leads to Kris knowing that Noelle would probably want to be Festival Queen if they voted for each other>once again, in order to get a reaction out of Noelle, he declares HE'LL be the Queen so Noelle's forced to be King>cue argument that became a fond memory for Noelle
>>4059618If you ever wonder why stuff like Ralsusie isn’t popular it’s literally because self-inserters are insane sociopathic nutcases that literally cannot relate to a character because he’s not a human
>>4059639I think he only exists in an upper layerHe can only interact with us (we're on the highest layer, the real world), not the characters on the lower layer that makes up the game
>>4059643Doesn't CoL like Ralsusie?
>>4059608>carries a knifeWhy do you keep adding this to your copypasta?
>>4059630I wouldn't be so sure considering that DR Sans has show the ability to occupy multiple spaces simultaneously in chapter 4 and chapter 5.
>>4059622It’s going to be satisfying as fuck when Kriselle officially burns to the ground, based Spamton for confirming Side B is the evil route
>>4059639>>4059646Or maybe he can interact, but he comes off as a hellish eldritch abomination that makes people insane (if you believe he's Spamton and Jevil's benefactor)
>>4059622Why couldn't we have Kriselle instead
>>4059618And yet there's a melty when this type is called a schizo.
>>4059643I am a self-inserter and this is true.
>>4059650Evil is subjective anyway. As long as I have my vessel, like I was SUPPOSED to have from the fucking start, all is good in the world.
>>4059636Yes, it's obvious that people want to see characters who already exist be featured in the game. As long as you keep repeating that it's gonna appear in the next chapter, at some point it might. I guarantee you there were people who wanted a MewMew fight in Deltarune since chapter 1 but I also guarantee you that they didn't predict it based on anything but knowing that this character already exists and might be featured eventually.>Then you should have no problems predicting chapter 6.Yes, here's how it works. You take your top 20 guesses of what's gonna happen in ch6 and immediately discard them. Then take the next 50 guesses and put a "maybe" on them. Then you invert those and put a "more likely" on that. Boom, done.
>>4059618>has long hair>autistic semioutcast>fat fuck>jacks off to pornIt's hard for me to not see my self in him when I was 16 on the gas a better social life than I had
>>4059647No? He's a Kriselletard.
>>4059656Who cares if it's at the end, there's nothing left to doCan't do the dark worlds because they're already done, can't do the mini games or make your own room Can't even get the shelter codes
>>4059661I remember him saying he liked Ralsusie
>>4059625>So heterosexual they argued on who should have been the Queen.Toby just wanted to add something for his target troon audience. Kriselle literally embodies the dynamic of a sweet girl and a troublemaking boy. Kris also wants to protect Noelle. Boys protect girls.
>>4059584>yuri due to kris being non-binaryTrannies have no idea what yuri means. It would still be hetero if they're heterosexual (different sexes, not genders). Your sex doesn't disappear when you become non-binary (gender)
>>4059663I think it's a pair the spades thing from him since he doesn't like Susie being a tomboy.
>>4059634>And btw asking about kris’s birth gender? That’s transphobic cause you’re just treating kris like a mentally ill man/woman and not the genderless bean that they are!Unless it's for "born female" Kris, then you're A-OK as long as she's androgynous and ugly and only use her biological femaleness to write about how she's the only person in Hometown who has to suffer period cramps because monsters don't bleed and other species don't have to deal with periods anyway!
>>4059620Kris is too “hygienic” for your average turbo autistic femcel or whatever mental defect kris is suppose to have. And you can’t tell me toriel cleans Kris’s room when she can’t even be bothered to deal with the giant blood stain on the floor
>>4059656>Evil is subjective anywayt. evil person
>>4059650SFB more or less confirmed this is a Kriselle game. The entire game practically revolves around Noelle already.I feel for anybody who's expecting anything else.
>>4059670If me and my loyal vessel are the only people left alive after the Hometown Massacre, by default I become the arbiter of good and evil to Deltarune's world.
>>4059646>>4059651I think he has to be able to interact with the characters to some degree since a bunch of his goners seem to have infiltrated Hometown
>>4059654>And yet there's a melty when this type is called a schizoSee >>4059648My posts are purely reactive to posts like these >>4059584I'm not just going to list the FACTS about Kris.>>4059648It's just a statistic.
>>4059671Even on the main route, she is on her way of regaining her second hero statusAlso in SFB the girl wears a ribbon if you ever wanted more confirmation its about deltarune
>>4059647>>4059663I’m pretty sure that was a different autist. I don’t fucking know it’s hard to keep track of the schizo lore of this place
>>4059672But who gives a shit by then. Aren't you supposed to save the world from getting killed by the knight and stuff
>>4059656You will then be able to COMPLETE THE MISSION
>>4059121I doubt the game would have actual story.
>>4059678You can't complete the mission without the shelter codes. Which you just skip now
>>4059677And I'll do that. By killing everyone, I break the prophecy, saving the worlds."Saving" is vague and open to interpretation anyway, the worlds could be in complete ruin but are still deemed "saved" because they weren't utterly annihilated into oblivion.
>>4059676I remember he posted this scene of chapter 2 where Kris and Noelle stop to look at fireworks, then there's a Ralsus scene when Susie and Ralsei catch up
>it's ANOTHER femkris vs. malekris episode
>>4059681But the prophecy saves the worlds
>>4059683This will continue until Chapter 7 by the way, the literal only reason these arguments come up is because of the final tragedy and whether or not there's an "ebin twist" wherein Kris will reveal there's a vagina in those pants, and thus that allows Kris to commit noble suicide to Noelle and Susie don't have to die for the prophecy's sake.
>>4059665You underestimate how stupid this fanbase will get to avoid “misgendering” kris. To the point of actively headcanoning kris as genitaless and having the anatomy of a fucking Barbie doll cause that’s somehow not demeaning to actual non-binary people I guess
>>4059684Again, vague and up to interpretation. This isn't something as direct and literal as "Jockington grows the beard" or "The pointy-headed will say 'toothpaste' and then 'boy'", the prophecy only says that the worlds will be "saved" when all is finished, and the meaning of that phrasing can be twisted in a lot of ways.
>>4059683>it's ANOTHER femkris vs. malekris episodeBlame obnoxious faggots like this one >>4059584
>>4059683The funny part is that it always starts because of Krisellekeks who orbit Noelle because muh tradwife (she’s the closest thing the game has to a blonde underage white girl to rape so all the self-insert browns flock to her)
>>4059618if we were on /v/ still i'd be expecting 100+, so i suppose we should be thankful
>>4059669Kris side of the room looks like shit compared to Asriel’s.
>>4059681Be real man, the way the game is designed, it doesn't let you start any battles yourself. In ch2, Queen stands right in front of you and the game expects you to just do nothing, it does the same with tenna and Flowery
>>4059686>cause that’s somehow not demeaning to actual non-binary people I guessMost of them unironically wish they could have this because they're already men who are obsessed with chopping off their genitals, or women who wish they didn't have to suffer menstruation cycles. They also probably think it'd be really funny that they have to piss out their asshole since they don't have a genital hole anymore.
>>4059676Can I be a schizo too?
>>4059674Toby's inspirations have more girls that wield knives then boys who do so.
>>4059683a deltathread is just a deltathread
>>4059689>a blonde underage white girl to rape so all the self-insert browns flock to herNah, yuricuck. I just want Kris and Noelle to be happy. I love these characters, and I want to see the restoration of what they once had.
>>4059689But I'm not brown
>>4059674Please remember that "knife girl" is a popular Japanese trope, and Toby is an unapologetic weeaboo.
>>4059690I don't understand what the problem is. It's just a list of facts about Kris.
>>4059696You already are one.
>shitpost about how troons defending suselle for being "gay" unintentional imply kris is a dude by bashing kriselle>thread devolves into a another debate about kris's pantsgod damnit
>>4059613Admittedly he looks very yiddish
>>4059704Just because you're free to shitpost here unlike your reddit shithole doesn't mean you should.
>>4059705He doesn't look like one to me.
>>4059699>I just want [5-foot-zero the self insert] and [romance plot device] to be happyKekky!
>>4059701I love how you're ignoring all the other facts in my post and just latched onto the knife. By the way, Toby drew inspiration from a male character when he created Kris. What do you think about that, yuricuck?
>>4059704Toby shouldn't have made a gender ambiguous character in a game where there's prophesized gendered roles, especially when there's a prophesized tragedy that's basically nigh-unavoidable and will seemingly kill off the assigned "The Girl" of that prophecy.What's in Kris's pants is LITERALLY story relevant and could be the key to solving this mystery box bullshit.This is all the dog's fault. All he had to do was say "Kris's gender is ambiguous, but it's also irrelevant to the story, even though there are some story elements that put specific genders in roles of importance" or "Kris is nonbinary and their pronouns are they/them" and we wouldn't be here.
>>4059689I swear there's ALWAYS an attempt to spin this around to blaming shippers and/or self-inserters as a whole for it when at this point it's very clear the dude (because it mostly IS just one dude) is just a fucking autist who's dead set on this specific detail being trueWhich funnily enough I'm sure several other anons here are like that for other details, they just don't argue about that as much because the triggerpoint isn't as often posted as literally anything implying Kris could be a girlThe more you try and make this into a 'wah wah krisellefags' or 'wah wah self-inserters' issue, the more of a shitfest this becomes
>>4059712>Toby shouldn't have made a gender ambiguous character in a game where there's prophesized gendered rolesYou think we call him Toby "Subversion" Fox for nothing?
>>4059709I just feel for these two. They're clearly yearning for each other. I understand that yurifags lack empathy and can't understand what that is like.
I don't give a shit about Noelle, I only care about Kris.
>>4059716Man imagine how little interest you’d have in this game if the cast were all male
>>4059717He's a dick though
>>4059710And Alphys was originally a dude before Toby turned her into a girl. Your point?
>>4059704>make fun of wider fanbase for being weird about kris's gender>forget about this site being weird about kris's genderwhat were you expecting?
>>4059715Prophesized gendered roles aren't a fucking subversion unto themselves, what are they subverting, NORMAL prophesized roles???
>>4059707The nose never lies
>>4059718If there were no ships and the characters were all male maybe I wouldn't mind
>>4059705He absolutely looks like one to me
>>4059718Well, yeah, because I can't empathize with fags.
>>4059719He can be a very well behaved boy, just needs some incentives to not misbehave from time to time, as shown in the picture.
>>4059725I know who he gave money to, he's no friend of Jews.
>>4057203
>>4059722My point is that Kris wasn't turned into a girl, he's still a boy.
>>4059731He also have money to BLM and anti-zionist jews exist
>>4059724I think its the fact that Hometown revolves around said gendered prophecy and Kris, despite being a hero in it is still an "other". There's the prince, the girl, and then the third thing with a human soul
>>4059712>that's basically nigh-unavoidable and will seemingly kill off the assigned "The Girl" of that prophecy.in that case why the fuck is susie seemingly doubling down on her fate as "the girl" even being willing to now wear ribbons? like i get that shes a bit dense but not actively suicidal
EVERYDAYUNTILCHAPTER 6
>The people most unhappy with the game are off-site pornfagsSays a lot, really
>>4059727You've never even talked to a Jew you dumb spic.
>>4059733Right, which is why Aqua, the blatant Kid Kris expy, is a girl.
Until proven otherwise humans in utdr are hermaphrodites so futas that aren't men or womenNo this isn't non binary with extra steps
>>4059738I think the people most happy with the game are Mikefags
>>4059740Shouldn't have brought up Aqua, no he will go into full schizo meltdown and say Toriel is not a zesty nigger in a tutu
>>4059738no dude NO i don’t like porn i just think an all-male manly man cast is GAY pornpornporn urgh all media is porn
>>4059734Yeah. They're retards and traitors and they want to get my family killed. There are just as many Christians who hate themselves just as much, definitely more.
>>4059742>futafaggotryabsolutely not
>>4059717I did that btw. She's still my girlfriend btw.
>>4059736Prophecy brainwashing. "Aborted" Weird Route Chapter 5 literally shows that the prophecy will force reality to bend to fate's whims in order to course correct itself, even if the resulting reality warp makes zero sense, and the discrepancies will only slightly be questioned.There's a reason she woke up in Chapter 5 and all that was on her mind was being hyped about her festival date instead of dreading over the fact Knight is actively trying to kidnap people, she doesn't even worry about the possibility that Knight might want to kidnap Noelle with how little she knows of Knight's motives and how openly antagonistic Knight is towards her in specific.
>>4059740>which is why Aqua, the blatant Kid Kris expyAqua reflects Kris's personality and soul. The idea that he is the same gender as her is just far-fetched headcanon bullshit.
>>4059744Take your meds, yurifag.
>>4059751So you're saying, that in reflecting Kris's personality, that because Aqua is a girl, that means Kris secretly wants to be a girl?Damn, so Ralsei trooning out was a red herring for the fact KRIS is gonna troon out!? Bravo, Tobias, you done did it again!
>>4059747Sadly gerson debunked that humans were asexual reproducing organisms in utdr so u had to think of something new
Why would Tobias, the yurifaggot, not make Kriselle a yuri ship?Two little girls kissing is hot btw.
>>4059745>the polarity of being a "pornfag" is whether or not you like porn in any capacity>also I want an all male cast with manly men, that's the best way for a story to beHow many layers of mental illness deep are we
>this is how we get to 2500+ posts before page 6
>>4059750There is no reason for the prophecy, apparently written in ancient times, should be supporting a lesbian relationship.
>>4059757one of the fastest and most active threads on the entire website btw
>>4059758It's only supporting Suselle because it offers the path of least resistance towards fulfilling the events foretold since time immemorial. Susie's an illiterate retard who just wants her feelgood power fantasy, and Noelle's too submissive to do anything defiant unless someone tells her to proceed.
>>4059757To be honest this thread was a bit slower than the last few, even taking the maintenance into account. It also happens to be a thread without femkris in the OP. Hmm...
NG+ will fix everything by reversing everyone's roles. Trust.
>>4059760There are easier ways to do this than having Susie forget there are other heroes besides her or that there are supposed to be three heroes not 4
>>4059756>also I want an all male cast with manly men, that's the best way for a story to beHoly FUARK, IMAGINE if Deltarune was like CHADgod CHAD
>>4059753>The personality of a hyper active, mischievous boy = that means Kris secretly wants to be a girl?Take your fucking meds
>>4059766You're the one that said Aqua reflects Kris, not me. And if Kris's reflection is a girl, then that's a very curious situation.
>>4059765How long will it take for Deltarune /v/ threads to become like /dbs/ and /dbg/ after Chapter 7 releases?
>>4059765I don't know if you're actually a /dbs/yard or just posting like one, but either way, please never do that again.
>>4059736Susie is a retard who wants to follow the prophecy 99% except for the very last part. THEN you subvert it.
>>4059760How come Susie deserves a power fantasy? How about the player who paid for the fucking game?
>>4059770Toby should get his hands subverted off of his arms, if that's what he thinks
>>4059771Because she's the main character, just like how Lillie is the main character of Pokemon Sun and Moon even though it's "your" adventure.
https://youtu.be/3Qvs6wxlJWs
Kris is a male but he's a twink
>Suselletroons seething that nobody actually cares about this dogpiss forced shipKEK, almost like any other ship or just any event in Chapter 5 is better and saucier.
>>4059775You fuck, I don't even like that game.
>>4059714>spin this around to blaming shippers and/or self-insertersIt's always this group though.
>>4059648Because as I've said before, his line of thinking is>Every interesting character trait is actually maleWhich explains why he's a Krisellefag, Susie is too much rowdy tomboy for his soft tastes
>>4059755>Why would Tobias, the yurifaggot, not make Kriselle a yuri ship?Because this romantic trope only works if it's a boy and a girl who live next door to each other. Two girls can't have the same dynamic as Noelle and Kris.
>>4059775Did you forget someone? Me.
>thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICfr4avzO9A
>>4059767I said that she only reflects his personality and soul. Learn to read, for fuck's sake.
>>4059778Reminds me of a post I saw to the tune of>wtf why does Aqua have so much porn? You have a literal femboy, blue should be blowing up
>>4059782>Two girls can't have the same dynamic as Noelle and KrisWhat? You think two girls can't live next to each other and one of them is a tomboy and the other is the girliest girl ever?
>>4059771Who said anyone deserves a power fantasy? Susie is a retard precisely because she doesn't start questioning shit when things are going too well, not until it's way too late.
>>4059778How can anyone love something so shallow and so poorly written?
>>4059770>>4059774With the way Ralsei spergs out like using FireShock outside of that one harmless shuriken will apparently cast the worlds into eternal torment for DARING to use the magic you were given, and Susie's tendency to have her retardation be rewarded, it's unironically possible that the only way to subvert the prophecy without all of reality coming to a grinding halt is to do it at the last 0.1%, which is why Susie doesn't actually worry or care because the last 0.1% is still an unknowable amount of time away from her perspective.
WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT KRIS' GENDER STORY AND GAMEPLAY-WISE?
>>4059788Because the game has consistently bent over backwards for Susie and expected me to like it. Toby Fox said that, and the fanbase defends it.
>>4059778canon ships usually get less love from the fans. Like, it's not even a gay thing either, that just happens
>>4059791Note: Girls like it when you're better at dodging danmaku
>>4059789because it's hecking valid and canon, chudtoby literally gave us suselle fanservice after years of begging
>>4059737Human gender discourse RULES this fandom. We will always exhaust everything out of and destroy it all, consuming the entire thread and moving on to the next to do it over and over again.
I love /vrpg/, it’s so cozy
>>4059791Because if Kris is a girl, there's a nonzero chance that when the final tragedy strikes, she'll offer herself as the sacrificial lamb in order to play up martyrdom parallels with Chara so Susie and Noelle don't have to be the ones to die.
>>4059768It will happen day 1
There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards which gender you prefer for Kris. There will be no love, except the love of gooning to Kris porn. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of mockery over a defeated poster.. There will be no theories, no cute art, no none Kris ships. When we get a canon answer, we shall have no more need of canon. There will be no distinction between fanfic and offical. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of the gameplay. All competing discourse will be destroyed. But always there will be the porn. Always at every moment there will be the thrill of discourse, the sensation of speculating about Kris gender. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot with Kris gender discourse written on it stamping on a anon's face, forever.
>>4059742That's gay and the flowers and Mew Mew having genders prove humans can have them in canon.
>>4059760I'm gonna be real, I don't think Susie is actually fully retarded and at times it's just a facade. I think Susie was well aware she's way over her head with the whole hero stuff but had no choice but to push forward and only now in ch 5 started to get actually lost in the sauce. You can see as early as ch2 or even 1 how she drops touchy subjects to not force revealing the answer to them, or plays it off as a joke to avoid that. That's also exactly how she deals with all the hints that Ralsei and Kris aren't honest with her. She rolls with most of the shit because there's clearly no other choice and because starting a fight now would make her end up in the same situation she was with Lancer. Nothing will ever get done if she doesn't agree2all. And it's kinda obvious that she in turn is keeping some secret from Kris and Ralsei. Maybe even from (you) specifically.
>>4059796Could we talk about something else though? Pretty please?
>>4059798>kris starts this whole ploy to try and save herself from getting sacrificed at the end because she's too scared>game ends with kris deciding to go through with it because she cannot bare the idea of noelle or susie dying in her place would be kino, ngl
>>4059787>and one of them is a tomboy and the other is the girliest girl everYeah, yuricuck, a girl would never pull another girl’s hair just to tease her and get attention. I used to do that when I was a kid, too. Only boys do that. If you’d done that too, maybe you wouldn’t have grown up to be such a faggot.
>>4059778The scene sucks why would they keep talking about it? i only see it being discussed by shipfags here
>>4059766You think Aqua has the personality of a boy?
>>4059791>WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT KRIS' GENDER STORY AND GAMEPLAY-WISE?The prophecy heroes have a clear gender and subverting the prophecy will defy the proper roles through hiding a character's real gender.Kris could be any of the three heroes (or none)Susie could be one of the heroes (or none).Ralsei could be two of the heroes.The cage in Kris's room could be one of the heroes, etc.
>>4059793This one is particularly forced and tasteless too.
>>4059806>a girl would never pull another girl’s hair just to tease her and get attentionYes they would you retard.
>>4059805Why, I don't want to be stuck with suselle, that's gross
>>4059765CHADelle I fucking KNEEL7BGODs will PROCEED while WEAKsie will cry alone in her basement
>>4059808Please keep in mind Aqua canonically attends Zesty Nigga's dance lessons, as stated in Sheary's check flavor text.
>>4059810that looks kind of gross
>>4059768Immediately if Suselle doesn't sink and 7B has Noelle die immediately
I for one am excited for Chapter 6
>>4059815>me when I look at s*selle
>>4059813Susie more like JOBsie
>>4059813Gasterbro btw.
>>4059803>I don't think Susie is actually fully retarded and at times it's just a facadeNot just that but she clearly lies about her home situation, since she clearly lives in the apartments but makes it seem like she's a homeless bum in chapter 1-4.The main thing going for the party is that the three of them are huge liars.
>>4059816Suselle will dip, but then come back stronger than ever after Carol realizes she was wrong for being homophobic and gives the pair her blessing, only to then be kidnapped by Knight.7B will start with you and Noelle in the Meat Factory, but the only way out is to use up Noelle, and then you'll use up Kris to move to your Vessel, send it to Hometown, and begin the Hometown Massacre so you can do your strongest and then break into the shelter to complete the mission.
>>4059817Why, you're getting more forced pacifism and suselleWhere's graze challenge 2 you fucks
>>4059791Kris' lack of defined gender can technically make him fill every single hero role in the prophesy. If the plot steers into Susie replacing Noelle for the "girl" part of the prophesy, then it might also be important for Kris to be prophesyfluid as part of the plan.
>>4059765I hope the Hometown Massacre is real so we can get five thousand DR powerlevel threads.
>>4059797I don't because threads last forever and we can barely post images.
>>4059811>Yes they would you retard.I guess your brain's been rotted by yuri anime. Think back to your childhood. Think back to kindergarten. Girls never do that kind of thing. It's boys who tease girls, not girls who tease other girls. You're are mentally ill yurifag.
>>4059822That's stupid. Make an honest game if you're gonna call it your fever dream masterpiece.
>>4059811Did you ever interact with females that are not related? I'm not even saying lesbians here.
>>4059804No, this has been going for over ten years for a reason. Like Sans, you're cursed with the knowledge all roads lead to the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2-7ymRr0Tk
>>4059830What if the betrayal is the climax of the story?It sure makes things interesting>inb4 you're CoL
>>4059822And if Susie's also a dishonest liar, that just makes Flowery calling the heroes out for being selfish frauds all the stronger. At the very least Susie's lie isn't nearly as bad as Kris and Ralsei, seeing as how Flowery ultimately trusts her enough to speak with her as a confidant about the shelter code.
>>4059834I'm exhausted at this point. I don't want the game telling me to ignore the threats right in front of me.
>>4059805>final prophecy revealed to be the girl's death>Kris avoids the tragedy by sacrificing themselves instead>fans: "Wow, Kris actually managed to break the prophecy!">knowers know and shake their headI think this is what will happen.
>>4059833kino
>>4059827If it really ends with the Soul destroying Deltarune too the Vessel will probably be as strong as Chara (or even more)
I'm having a premonition of scene in chapter 6 on an aborted weird route where you'll get the option to "proceed" and Noelle will say No.
>>4059817i have issues with mother 3 but when i see a trans flag wearing, homestuck namestyle copying, green gaster looking BITCH talk shit about it on twitter dot com i get VERY MAD
>>4059836>how Flowery ultimately trusts her enough to speak with her as a confidant about the shelter codeIts not like he trusts her, its a way to throw a wrench in Kris's plan. He'd tell Ralsei if he was a lightner.
>>4059750so if the prophecy was able to lobotomize susie the second she came close to stepping out of line why didn't it do the same to kris the moment SHE came up with the hair brained "they/them" scheme? what does getting raped free you from the fucking matrix?
>>4059843Ralsei, the subservient bitch boy to Kris who will ultimately value Kris's agenda over all else? Get a chance.
>>4059798>>4059805>>4059838None of that is going to happen because Toby will never think of killing his precious non-determined gender protag. What fucking mind parasite do you all have that lead you to believe Toby will actually consider that?
This game is a small. They promised an epic adventure to fight evil and they turned it into this.
74. The whole twist with Susie is depicted in this song. https://youtu.be/poKI_MY0Bkw
>>4059847The fact that Kris is explicitly a villain? It was ambiguous before, but getting his own dad kidnapped was inexcusable. Kris dying would be a redemption.
Scam.
>>4059847Right, which is why Kris is now carrying around suicide seeds in his inventory, definitely not meant to be a parallel to Chara eating buttercups to lethally poison herself.
>>4059848They didn't promise that.Ralsei was lying through his teeth from the start.Sorry you couldn't tell. I could.
>>4059786>blue>femboyfucking yellow's a more appealing twink than blue.
>>4059846hey man he's growing into a big boy. he has things called "opinions" now and learned he doesn't have to listen to the buttons controlling him
>>4059857Why doesn't the player get opinions
>>4059852>>4059854Not the fact that Kris dies but the fact that his gender ambiguity goes out the window, Toby is doing it for politics and brownie points not for anything actually plot-relevantAnd I think the seeds will be to throw us off if we try looking for people with seeds in their shoulders on the next chapter
>>4059786>femboy>he's large and jackedI swear these people don't even know what the words they came up with mean anymore
>>4059858The Weird Route is an opinion.
>>4059858You do, you have a million chances to express them, most of those chances are deciding to ignore or not do something.
>>4059857Yeah, but he still defers to Kris. He's gonna keep blindly following him because he still needs to "understand" Kris instead of acting on doing something about those countless red flags he's accumulating, because rocking the boat leads to a confrontation, and a confrontation means the prophecy might derail, and a derail means "all punishments worse than The Roaring."
>>4059862To not get the shelter codes and skip the gameplay and get rid of the epic adventure outright?
Friendly reminder that all femkrisfags are deranged porn addicts save for /ourschizo/ Jaru (which also means fkris ain't happening btw)
>>4059867There was never an "epic adventure to defeat evil".Not even in the fever dream. The fever dream was about the weird route.
>>4059867You're not getting an "epic adventure" or gameplay you like on the normal route anyway, so why not trim the worthless fat and get to the ending you care so much about?
>>4059863How about letting me get the shelter codes or attack Flowery or skip suselle on the normal route?
Why can’t we send CoL to /doe/ forever
>>4059871Those are the responses you want the game to have to your opinions.Those responses don't exist and weren't "supposed" to exist at any point.
>>4059868Your gender war shit is retarded but I do find it funny as fuck that jaru has become the IRL shadow crystal holder of the community that spews unhinged nonsense
>>4059873We don't have esoteric imageboard-compatible sealing rituals to call on.
>>4059852>The fact that Kris is explicitly a villain? It was ambiguous before, but getting his own dad kidnapped was inexcusableKris isn't a villain. I'm sure nothing bad happens to the people who get kidnapped. Everyone who's fighting against the prophecy is a good guy. Susie and Ralsei are the villains.
>>4059867Hometown Massacre implies you're getting in the Shelter.
>>4059870I want a game to play. The game outright skipped the gameplay, the battles, that isn't the fat. The skipping the shelter codes>>4059874Then don't talk about th enshelyer codes if you can't get them
>>4059822One of the things I'm looking forward is learning how much Susie actually knew all along and when she figured it out.
>>4059877carol?
>>4059877No one's even fighting against the prophecy to begin with because it literally warps reality to force everyone to comply. Not even God can defy the prophecy he made, as evidenced by Queen's Unstoppable Chariot being interpreted as GIGA Queen instead when Toby caused a traffic jam to stop Queen's car.
>>4059879The shelter codes aren't gameplay. They're markers of certain points in the story. You saw someone talking about a story object and got mad that you couldn't play well enough to skip the parts of the story you think shouldn't matter and get that object sooner.
The dragon will be slain.
>>4059883The gane literally told you nore than once to get them, you should be able to get them. How dare you tell me you shouldn't get a gym badge for fighting a gym leader after telling me to go out that and do that.
>>4059884(Alongside everything else)
>CoL's Deltarune
>>4059889>Implying he would reveal the Knight so soon instead of just having you fight generic evil mcguy Number 3
>>4059887The game told you the characters' goal is to get them, and the characters are getting them.
>>4059889Ralsei knew the police shelter code???
>>4059778>weird route's lake scene is already one of the most iconic moments of the game with tons of art and discussion >the only time non-susellefags talk about the NR lake scene is memeing about how badly kris got cuckedgod i toby actually intended suselle to be popular i'd kill myself in his shoes
>>4059894I thinks its supposed to look fucked up on a replayOn your first run blind you don't really look deeper and just take things at face value until it blows up in your face, the inferno of jealousy is real and its happening right in front of your eyes.But I know people will say I'm coping so lets agree to disagree
>>4059870Call me what you will, but I feel like comparing me to the Batter from OFF is as disingenuous as it gets. I'm not exactly interested in the premise of "wahh waahhh you're so evil for killing the enmies we need to stop you from destroying the world" while music gets distorted and stuff. I don't find that too exciting. I want epic music to be playing during the battles and the plain ol walking around, i want the heroes to be treated as heroes, I want a real adventure, an honest one. I said it before, I still think the neutral route of Undertale is the best one because it keeps the music while still letting you do the fights.
>>4059896Hi Batter.
>>4059778>fanserviceMore like fantorture. It's pretty telling the so called "evil route" gave us more art of Kris and Noelle than normal route did with Susie and NoelleAlso I've yet to see someone explain WHY Suselle is supposed to be good. Their relationship could boil down to the shallow "tough girl x strong girl" anime tropeEither Toby is really good at tricking people, or gays just have no standards at all
>>4059898That doesn't even make sense. Off doesn't provide what I'm into. The games ok, but I wouldn't play it again.
>>4059896This singular focus on "the mission" as if whatever objective you're given first is supposed to be overriding or unquestioned is a lot like the attitude the batter held.You are attached to mindless fulfillment of tropes completely removed from the feelings those tropes are meant to invoke.
>>4059900Why is Kris sucking Noelle's dick?
>>4059892They're not. They're getting them off screen instead of you and focusing on homosexual dating instead and derailing from that with dark fountains out of nowhere.
>>4059900They literally don't have standards. They don't look at any of the red flags, or if they do, they start huffing copium that "everything will be resolved in the end and it'll be a Krusielle throuple!!!!!" despite the fact Rouxls is literally there to prove throuples don't work, and only a Determination GOD like GODwalker can make it happen (and Kris is not determined enough to pull off such a Frisk-level feat).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzVHpHxCzoTOBY IS A FUCKING HACKhe got flowery's theme out of an eurobeat remix
>>4059712>that's basically nigh-unavoidable and will seemingly kill off the assigned "The Girl" of that prophecy.is there's any evidence that the final tragedy is specifically about the girl dying? like its a popular theory and the main thing fucking girl kris is built around but the prophecy is so vaguely at seemingly anything could be the big gay tragedy. maybe its the prince dying, maybe its the prince AND the girl die, maybe its all three of the heroes, or the dark worlds being sealing forever, or THE DRAGON dying, or fucking kris getting impregnated by berdly. meanwhile susie sure as hell doesn't seem to act like shes fated to die horribly
>>4059904But it's the batter himself who tells you to do that and he tricks you. Dude, I know what off it, it is hardly the epic quest that this site thinks I think it is.Those tropes I like to invite certain feelings from me, and Off doesn't exactly evoke those feelings, and it's not the game I think of when I think of an epic rpg adventure to fight evil.
>>4059380Noelle is stuck in a weird loop where she got out of the original Deltarune, only to get to a place where she can only play Gaster's Deltarune, where she tries desperately to keep Kris alive and get him also out of the game.Basically, (You) are playing Noelle's game now: she hijacked the Survey Program in order to get a SOUL to put into Kris and your actions in the weird route are also her actions. Lake Skip and Insert 7B are signs that she's getting Kris where she wanted all along.
>>4059909>is there's any evidence that the final tragedy is specifically about the girl dying?Kris wouldn't be uber-protective of Noelle and try very hard to keep her out of things aside from Cyber World (which was basically wish fulfillment + character development land for Noelle) if there wasn't precedent of her being at risk.>meanwhile susie sure as hell doesn't seem to act like shes fated to die horriblyShe also doesn't seem to act like Noelle might be in genuine danger of being kidnapped by Knight since she doesn't know Knight's motives, even though from her perspective there's a very real possibility between the attempted Toriel kidnappings and successful Undyne kidnapping.
>>4059851close, susie is the obvious dragon mentioned earlier in the song, ralsei is the hidden one.
>>4059911Prosneed
>>4059718Yaoirune would be pretty funny though
>>4059909>is there's any evidence that the final tragedy is specifically about the girl dying?It's the most likely option. It's consistent with the set up (all the girl panels before it) and peoples' reaction to it, as well as all the girl identity fuckery.
>>4059910But it is the game everyone else thinks of when you bring up this slavish devotion you have to the abstract idea of "the mission" before you even knew what it was. The fact that you get so attached to "the mission" when you evidently don't know the details means you're the type of person who honestly might have gotten "tricked" by the batter if he was even slightly more convincing. If you really cared what feelings a game invoked in you then you'd have noticed that Undertale neutral was nothing like what you want, either.
>>4059919Male noelle would make everyone gay
This guy is the type of person who would commit genocide if the government told him to do so.
>>4059918Feed the doe seeds.
>>4059880>how much Susie actually knew all along and when she figured it out.She probably became suspicious in Toriel's house, then more suspicious when Kris gave her the knife to make a dark fountain, and the final prophecy sealed the deal. Chapter 5 is a façade of trying to believe Kris didn't make the fountain while knowing 100% it was him.I think her lying is more about herself, her motivations and her situation than about knowing about dark worlds and the plot itself.
>>4059925Imagine making friends for the first time to just find out they're all lying and using youBeing susie is suffering.
>>4059908BASED.
>>4059718If you don't pay any attention to all the shipping faggotry it's already like that. The only canon "romance" in the game is fake as fuck so it can be ignored as a plot device setup for the next chapter.
>>4059840>Kris ends up being the only fraud human of the bunchKek!
>>4059907I feel like if Deltarune fans got exposed to well written romance, they'd realize how shallow many relationships are in the gameSo far, the only reason why people are eating up Suselle is because of "relationship, gay" just like the "Place, Japan" memeIf Noelle was a guy, people wouldn't care much
>>4059868Jaru is always right though.
>>4059926Don't worry she only wants to tag along with Kris to have his Mom, his not-Girlfriend and his dark world fun, its not like she actually wanted to be friends, she just wants to be him.
>Lancer laughs just like Santa Claus because Noelle and Kris roleplayed him like that when kids>Susie thinks that's lame as fuckYeah, even since chapter 1, there are signs of Suselle crashing and burning
>>4059931Yup. If anything they'd be seething about how "typical and gender-conforming" it is that the rough tomboy falls for the quiet gentleman and start crying about how Noel would "domesticate" Susie.Other way around too, it'd be "the biggest stereotype ever" that the sheltered girl is hooked on the bad body jackass.Somehow they don't recognize that butch X femme is the most stereotypical lesbian pair ever, even when Toby literally boiled the relationship down by comparing them to Alphyne in Undertale.
>>4059933>his momAfter the ol' jitterbug? No way!
>>4059935That was before the prophecy brainwashed her. It wasn't until Lancer complimented her that the influence started, because she was now being validated by a direct agent of the prophecy.
>>4059936What's more bizarre is that dating Noelle makes Susie more feminine. She's filling the cliche role of the tomboy falling in love and being feminized, but since her partner is already a femme woman it makes no sense.
>>4059937Yeah, she's in the process of noticing that Kris's life actually sucks and she won't really like being him. First his mom is actually a trashy whore, then Noelle will display affection and worry towards Kris in a way that makes her hate Noelle, and at last, she'll notice that the only thing left for her are the dark worlds, and Kris gotta close dat fountain.
>>4059718>>4059919>lone human in a town he grew up is full of furries and with the focus of the male castIt'll be Morenatsu all over again
>>4059925>>4059926Yeah that's what made me wonder about it too, if she actually puts 2+2 together behind the scenes she must be harboring some deep negativity about the whole predicament. Or at least is being cautious and is preparing for sudden but inevitable betrayals. It doesn't SEEM like she's sandbagging like Kris and Ralsei but I'm not convinced she's taking everything at face value anymore either. And maybe her becoming obsessed with her part as "the girl" is just her way to cope. As well as relying on the Dark world for comfort so much. Maybe Ralsei isn't wrong to pray for her, maybe he knows that nobody else does. Even (you) get turned against her by her behavior in ch5 - that's right after ch4 being so favorable to her. It doesn't feel like a coincidence.
>>4059920the cage also has pretty blatant identity bullshit yet you never see people here arguing about kris exploding over that
>>4059921I don't get what your problem is. Why can't you have a solid point to point to point to point to point main quest while having an epic turn based adventure too? Why can't that be in the same game? That's what I want at this moment in time, after being subverted. I can play other things and I have, but this, this idea, is my favorite thing, more than anything else.
If Noelle was a man people would hate him. Half the town being in love with him would be comical.
>>4059943We all believe in Vessel!Cage here
>>4059944Those things are possible and can even be combined, what's being disputed is that this is the direction Deltarune should go or was indicating it would go. Because being completely by the numbers sounds antithetical to the majority of Deltarune and to the mindset that Toby Fox has displayed so far, and the indicators that everything would be by the numbers in ch1 were flagrantly facetious. The good guys and bad guys were both full of pretenders not really sure why they were the bad guy/good guy.
>>4059946>Noelle was a manSo ralsei?
>>4059951Then I got subverted by a piece of shit of shit who hates my favorite thing.There was a golden opportunity to make it, and now no one's even going to try.
>>4059943>>4059949Vesselcage is the truth. When you interact with the birdcage in chapter 5 it says "The cage", its simply too on the nose to say Kris is meant to be the cage and not the literal cage.
>>4059953Ralsei is made to be bullied
>>4059943I personally think that Kris being the cage for (you) was a forced event. Your SOUL was supposed to enter the world in a vessel but got intercepted and given a premade role instead. No matter who did that, it's clear that Kris for some reason needs your powers but nothing more than that. Kris was already familiar with the concept of ripping out his soul before we got here. That nigga was ready and waiting to catch (you) in that cage, but technically the prophesy is so vague about that particular role that basically anyone can play it. In my opinion the biggest danger (you) pose to Kris is (you) somehow finding a way to inhabit someone else and leading that someone else to do things completely beyond anyone's control (depending on who is giving you in-game prompts, because it's clearly not Kris).
>>4059958Flowery...
>>4059955You got subverted by someone who made every indication their work was supposed to be subversive before you got into it. You played the "friendly RPG where no one has to die" by clicking fight every time an encounter happened until it was over and then got confused that the creator's next game put more effort into telling you you were missing the point.
>>4059956Were there people unaware that the cage prophecy was blatantly made to fit both Kris and the Vessel? Arguably the Vessel even better than Kris because we saw the Vessel be made out of parts on screen, but we all know the prophecy doesn't care about the "best" match so long as any match is available.
>>4059935"Susie thinks that a self purported badass villain laughing like Santa Claus is lame as fuck" is somehow supposed to be equivalent to "Susie thinks that laughing like Santa Claus is lame as fuck in general"? you don't need to rely on logical fallacies to find evidence against Suselle lol
>>4059959>Your SOUL was supposed to enter the world in a vessel but got intercepted and given a premade role instead.Maybe that's what happened when Kris summoned a demon with Catti. She ran away, so she doesn't know what exactly happened. Maybe they designed a vessel drawing on paper or something, following the summoning ritual they saw online or something, but when Catti ran away Kris saw it as an opportunity to change his fate and took the summoned soul.I'm pretty sure Toby will give us more lore about this demon summoning since its been referenced multiple times already.
>suselle is so unfathomably dogshit that people unironically think Susie got brainwashed OFF SCEEEM in order for it to make senseJesus at least femkris has some interesting routes the prophecy randomly having mind control is just stupid. Literally any slightly strange thing a character does would just be bushed as “oh well gaster was controlling them in that scene”. What’s even the point of showing kris being upset at Susie if it turns out to not even be her doing all the stupid shit immediately removing any potential conflict or drama?
>>4059958Orange…
>>4059967the issue is the tone shift between 4 and 5, it feels way too jarring so people just assume the only explanation for such a shift is literal brainwashing
>>4059967>fail ch5 weird route>susie teleports to the lake, Noelle teleports into her arms, Kris teleports out of the lake>susie only asks "hey Kris why were you wet" hours later>fails to ask "hey why don't I remember picking up Noelle" at all>why do people think the prophecy can alter your mind?
>>4059935>susie and noelle break up because susie doesn’t laugh at Noelle’s Christmas punsToby please let this be how chapter 6 ends
>>4059965>"Susie thinks that laughing like Santa Claus is lame as fuck in general"Thats something you made up yourself, I never said that.It was Noelle and Kris that decided that the badass villain would laugh like Santa Claus. I'm not saying that Susie thinks laughing like Santa is lame, she thinks a villain laughing like Santa is lame, and, by consequence, the person that decided that (either Kris, Noelle or both) is lame.
>>4059918
>>4059974I'm pretty sure Kris and Noelle weren't thinking of Lancer as a real badass villain even as kids.
>>4059963Then, I, me. I myself would have liked it if Deltarune went in that direction. Maybe I'd be thinking different if I was younger with more energy. I'm not, I don't find these things exciting anymore, and I want something new to be made that I can rely on to give me the adventure that I want where you go out and get the things and fight evil and be a hero.And so what if I did play Undertale like that? It didn't take away the music or the feel of the game for doing it, the way you keep telling me to play the aimless gameplay-lacking weird route or some creepy pasta fangames to get what I want.
>>4059966I think it was related to the demon summoning, but that was too long ago, (you) only got there in Chapter 1's morning. But I think the ritual might be the point where Kris "traded his soul" for something (like you did back in Undertale even) and since then had his lame detachable soul that was later used to trap (you).
>>4059979Yes, you're allowed to like if Deltarune had gone in that direction, and we're allowed to continue telling you that you're kind of silly for attaching this desire to Deltarune of all games.Your belief that the creepypasta routes are "aimless" and somehow lack gameplay is because you need the characters to constantly be affirming you and what you do, but also can't stand them being actual characters, so you're stuck in this silly middle ground that nobody in their right mind wants.
>>4059972In general people refuse to see the implications of aborted 5 because it has fucked up following questions and answersHow powerful is the will of the prophecy that it can literally force a scene to happen when it makes zero logical sense (Kris and Noelle should be barely alive and awake after the drowning attempt, yet they're walking fine)Is any of hometown truly real? Or is there a barrier like undertale, but instead its the barrier to the real world (undertale) that is inaccessible Are any of the light world cast real people or are they creations made out of Gaster's memories and interpretations of their undertale counterparts
>>4059941femkris in this would just be the story of an autistic femcel getting cucked by every dude she has feelings for until she psychologically tortures her childhood friend into raping her before they both drown in a lake.
>>4059981>(you) only got there in Chapter 1's morningYeah, but maybe we only get connected to the soul in specific moments. The soul is just a DEVICE.What happens to our connection between each chapter must be the same as what happens pre-chapter 1 with the soul. Maybe its in a dormant state that still can do its basic functions like closing Dark Fountains (that's how the old fountain where THE INCIDENT happened and the one in Kris's house got closed), or maybe it can't and those fountains got closed because sunlight got into Kris's house and banished the darkness (its the only chapter where Kris and Ralsei's level up stats don't really match with the stats gotten by beating up enemies).
psyop theory is literally just that pic of gaster brainwashing susie into being a dyke while kris can only look on in horror
>Just because someone ACTS DIFFERENT doesn't mean they're being MIND-CONTROLLED
>>4059982I think weird routes aimless because the game does not tell you what you're getting from it and because it skips the battles, and it makes you ignore the thing the game tells you to get.Deltarune had the perfect setup for something i would have liked. You play as a blue knight and this prince needs your help saving his kingdom from all these other guys around him that want to destroy him so you go out on an epic adventure to these rival kingdoms one by to take down their commanders until you go to fight their leader. I thought of that idea in my head many times and I thought it would be cool. Now that, that is my idea of fun. And now no one's ever gonna because the opportunity is gone.
>>4059992Imagine the seethe if Mike says this in 6
>>4059986Buddy you are just describing Deltarune
>>4059717Wrong, you're obsessed with Dess, who's also a reindeer. I'm afraid you already have toxoplasdoesis.
>>4059946don't kid yourselfthere would be a roughly equal amount of buckriders in that reality than there are doecoomers in this one
>>4059996And if you gave that premise to anyone capable of writing like Toby Fox, they'd start trying to change everything about it immediately, because that isn't the whole story, that is the very beginning of the story that needs like three more layers to be anything remotely interesting.The weird route is anything but aimless. Just because you haven't been told what it's all for yet doesn't mean it's for nothing, and once again, those fights and those items are symbols, not things of actual value.
>>4059991something something all theories originate from /v/
>>4059910PLAYBREATHOFFIRE
>>4060003I remember counting and it took like a month before I saw any sign people outside of this site knew Flowery was supposed to parallel Rudy.Then a week later we had Floral and Florelle. Because the implication of two flowers each paralleling a person in Asgore's life sailed straight over the entire fandom's head, somehow.
>>4060003The biggest new theory (amalgamate knight) was stolen directly from //v.
>>4060001You're telling me the battle system has no value? Are you mad? It's a game, you play it, this isn't just a symbol because there is nomplayi by anymore, just watching? How can you say battling in an rpg is just a symbol if you gain experience from battling and get armor and weapons for battles and nothing else?
>>4060013Biggest perhaps a month ago.
>>4060014No one fight has irreplaceable value, no. I wasn't "robbed" by skipping a boss fight if the boss fight is still there on the regular route. Which sprite is on the other side of the battlefield and how many fights there are exactly are immaterial.
>>4060016The only new non /v/ theory is trans Ralsei.
>>4059988I only hope this will actually be clarified, seems like a critical thing to learn if we ever get to decide someone's fate based on this info. Things like exactly how much is Kris' SOUL his and how much of our power we're being allowed to use by him. We already know it's a game breaking power and Kris is terrified about it being used in WR, what else is still hidden from us deliberately?
>>4060020It matters if there are no more fights anymore. Which is what the chapter 5 weird route did. There will be no more battles anymore.
>>4059905He wants that premium eggnog, understandable.
>>4060027You can't just tell me to play weird route when weird route has provided nothing. It's not "the mission" as people keep saying, because that was completely skipped.
>>4060027That's an enormous presumption. Why does everything you want about a game have to exist along one route?
>>4060033It gets you to the end of the game without engaging in many of the things you've complained about, like being forced to show mercy to the flowers. If "completing" the mission mattered then the weird route would be fine. No, you need to "complete" a midway step of the """mission""" which you were told about only once you bought the paid version of the game, and you're going to bitch and moan until you're allowed to fulfill that symbolic set of conditions earlier than the game will be able to respond to it.
>>4059964i wonder if bleeding around the cage is kris' attempt at satisfying the "human soul and parts" part of the prophecy, some attempt that didn't work
>>4060034Because I want a full game to enjoy.
>>4060046From Peepee.exe, one of Toby's earlier works.
>>4060046Absolutely shameless.
>>4060046>>4060047I refuse to believe it's not fake
>>4060056You can go play the game right now
>>4060037You mean the way the game just laughs at you and tells you to wait for chapter 7 before booting you off to the chaper select screen? Not to mention leaving the Roaring Knight to just do whatever, and going in then exact opposite direction of where you're suposed to go. Sseems to me "the mission" was abandoned right then and there, which is weird after chapter 3 and chapter 4 expected you to basically play the game like normal.I don't get it. When I was a kid. I played Pokemon to get a team of my own and battle gym leaders and become the champion. The game gets you a gym badge when you yourself beat the gym leader. They are not just symbols if you can get half of them in any order and increase your stats and give you more traversal options. Are you gonna say Pokemon was bad for letting you get gym badges after goig to gym leaders and beating them?
>>4059974>she thinks a villain laughing like Santa is lame, and, by consequence, the person that decided that (either Kris, Noelle or both) is lame.said creation was thought up by a kid during a playdate; a teenager disagreeing with a child's idea of a badass villain is natural and isn't an indictment of any relationship between the two of them in their teenage years. the only way this moment could be construed as a piece of evidence against Susie and Noelle is by presuming that the latter individual's juvenile thoughts on what constitutes an awesome bad guy remained fairly stagnant into her teenage years, which is silly
>>4059986That's just regular Deltarune
>>4059964Some people really hate the idea of the Vessel being relevant in anyway at all, that's why.
>>4060073Because it would be useless
>>4060062You get to the end of Pokemon by collecting gym badges.You get to the end of Deltarune by completing chapters.You got overly attached to what happens within the chapter as a sign of "progress".Once again, I have to reiterate that we only started the shelter code plotline after the demo ended. Your "mission" before then was to complete the prophecy and "save the worlds". The knight wasn't in the prophecy until chapter 4.>is Pokemon bad???No, because even Pokemon does more than have the gym leaders all sit and wait for you to arrive. Red and Blue have Blaine and Giovanni. And I'm pretty sure you have to get Team Rocket out of Saffron before you can challenge Sabrina, but I might be misremembering that one. It was already trying to introduce more variety than a straight march to the building and person you were told about.
>>4059992I hope Mike says this in 6. Please do it Toby.
>>4060001Why are you still arguing with CoL? He literally only plays Deltarune because he's gay for Kris.
>>4060076Completing chapters doesn't have a jingle to mark your progress or anything to mark them as an accomplishment in the game tied to them that will actually help you beat it, they all end with cliffhangers(especially if you can just skip them)I LIKE collecting mcguffins and beating up palace bosses. That is my favorite thing to play, and you want to take that away from me, and you hate that I like that.
>>4060073it's really annoying considering that the thrash machine has either appeared or been directly referenced in every single chapter thus farand the thrash machine is obviously supposed to be a vessel parallelpeople beak off about media literacy but shit like dismissing the vessel is peak retardation when the game keeps reminding you of it
>>4060076Also Paper Mario let you get something after beating each chapter. Was Paper Mario wrong to make it like that too, since tangible in-game marks of progression are so wrong?
>>4060084Didn't he play it because thought it would be like Paper Mario?
>>4060096She's trying to escape into reality!
>>4060084I think it's funny to see how many mental backflips I can make him do.>>4060088Can you explain to me how being satisfied by the game playing a jingle is anything but a completely cosmetic attachment?Progress is progress. I'm fine with progressing by collecting objects of power and beating up bosses. So long as that's what the game is actually trying to achieve.
Did you guys see somehting?
A DOE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
!What was that?
OH FUCK
Besides reverse Undertale is there any other theory that turned out to be 100% true?
>>4060115Kris Patience.
>>4060115Sans Undertale is Sans Deltarune
>>4060098Yes but he is so attached to Deltarune in particular because he absolutely adores Kris's "cute knight design"
>>4060102Because it messes with the atmosphere I want. To me it feels wrong, it disturbs me it kills the satisfaction I'm supposed to get for beating another dungeon and beat the boss. It does not feel like progress. Makes it basically so the only thing that mattered in the chapter is that it's over. Which is the opposite of the epic adventure I want.
>>4060115FemKris
>>4060121So... the lack of something cosmetic, a jingle, kills all the enjoyment you got from the structure and content of the game you just played.
>>4060120Did he actually say that?
>>4060121But there is a chapter complete jinglehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb71Mz8Cbtw
>>4060130>ch3
>>4060130it fucks me The Holy played twice in 1+2 in the same context and didn't play a single time in 3+4+5leitmotifs don't count desu
Has CoL played Bug Fables?
>>4060123>only 3&4 era theory to come out stronger after ch5 than it was beforehas this ever happened before?
>>4060124Partly, yes. There's also the bit where someone else gets the shelter code for you and the forced pacifist final boss that also contributes to that.Or in the chapter before that where it tells you to get a code, prevents you from doing it, forgets about that for the rest of the chapter, then have the reason you went into the next level(to get toriel) not even matter because she wasn't even there.This shit bugs me a lot, this is not an adventure.
>>4060139Or thr dark fountain made right in front of you purely to stop you from tying to get a shelter code, that passes me off, and the only thing I could think about the entire chapter was that, it is distracting.
>>4060138Some people already believed in Kris potentially being the patience soul holder during the Chapter 1 days.
>>4060136Would he even like it?
>>4060143No idea but that's the most Paper Mario-like game i can think of
How come I'm not a local thread celeb? I'm more influential than this Batter impersonator.
I CAME TO DELTARUNE
>>4060115Universal Mother Theory, Tenna being traumatized by the divorce.And don't call Reverse UT confirmed, we still have 2 or 3 chapters left.
>>4060145I think he only liked the structure of paper mario, the whole taking down Bowser's minions to use their Mcguffin to get to Bowser and beat him.
I came to Deltarune with a mission.KILL EVERYONE.
I came to Deltarune with a mission.A mission to prove FemKris.
CoL, do you like Final Fantasy?
WE ARE THE DELJARUNE
>>4060149Be glad you're not that recognizable. Anonymity is a blessing.
>>4060126On his xitter, yes.
I can’t believe Noelle raped and impregnated kris with “her” massive cock in the weird route
I came to Deltarune with a mission. A mission to find the truth.
>>4060161>Deljarune?
>>4060166Single mom Kris...
I came to Deltarune with a mission.RAPE EVERYONE.
>>4060149The key is to post something that triggers another schizo so he can make you popular instead. Or just namefag like CoL used to.
>>4060161>DELJARUNE>JARUHOLY SHIT
You're laughing at me. Your friend killed my games and you're laughing at me.
How many meme personalities lurk in these threads?
>>4060177Just CoL and the anti-FemKris redditor.
>>4060177hey guys[picture of battat having a mental breakdown]
>>4060177You mean schizos? Well some are recognizable because they always say the same stuff with the same images...
I came to Deltarune with a mission.MAKE MY SHIP CANON. you know the one, the only good ship.
>>4060182Right yeah, I getcha.IT'S GASTER'S SHIPCHIPS AHOY, LANDFAGGOTS
>>4060179Isn't battat the name of the minigame? I thought that was Green Pippins.
>>4060178I don't think CoL was memeing, he's really this autistic
>>4060142what did he know?
I also pity susellefags. Imagine your ship finally happening only for everyone to immediately assume that it’s due to fucking brainwashing or otherwise going to horrifically crash and burn all while a ship propped up by a fucking creepy pasta route is infinitely more popular. Meh susellefags deserve it and then some.
i miss deltar/v/ne so much, christ. y'all are getting dangerously close to /utg/ levels with how much attention you are giving to that one retard.
>>4060186some days a michael feels more battat and other days he feels more jongler
>>4060193>Says the redditor
>>4060190Does kris exactly scream “kindness” or “bravery” to you?
>>4060193all according to plant![picture of mr morris from arthur]
>>4060180>Kris is a boy [Insert the same Kriselle images]
The Janitor is distracted by the leaks! Quick!
>>4060195who isn’t the redditor at this point
>>4060193we're basically just a general at this point, it's no surprise schizos and thread personalities are starting to sprout up that's just the natural way of things
>>4060201Everyone except you...
>>4060193The /v/ threads acted like a release valve for this place without em we’re rapidly devolving into general levels of autism
>>4060202col was already hanging out in the fangames thread for a while now
>>4060192>I also pity susellefagsSee >>4059455That's like feeling pity for people who eat shit.
deltarune if it was good
>>4060207He actually fit in quite well in there too, probably because that place shares his own tastes.
>>4060211I don't get it
I used to find it odd that Ralsei mentions Jevil in Chapter 5 even if you never fought him but after learning that ReviveSong always has a tiny chance of including Spamton no matter what I just assume that he intrinsically has ties to the funny manlets
>>4060217Doesn't Spamton in ReviveSong require NEO to be defeated at the minimum though?
>>4060216Kris tries to grab Noelle's antlers, but hes too short so he just pokes her instead fo get her attention, and Noelle can't help but laugh when she notices.
>>4060046>>4060047>the reason toby tried purging all of his old history isn't because of shame, it's because anyone who looked into it would have figured out Deltarune since he's been holding onto these ideas since the mid-2000s
>>4060207The problem in general is that he’s basically everywhere>here>/utg/>/doe/>fangame threadsAnd so on
>>4060222It's almost like... he's everyman.
>>4060217>>4060218afaik for spamton to show up in revive song he needs to have either deal maker or puppet scarf equipped, kinda like how for scythemare to have the devilsknife susie needs to have the jevilstail or devilsknife equipped
>>4060222He left /utg/ because they bullied him off there.
>>4060225You just need to have beaten Spamton NEO in general, it's 2% without Dealmaker and 10% with Dealmaker. Puppet Scarf does nothing to boost the odds.
>m-m-my boogieman ia EEEEVVVERRRRRYYYYOOOOOOONNNNEEEEEE!!!!!!!and this is why nobody takes you retards seriously.
>>4060222Why don't you just ignore him. It's not like he ever has anything new to say
>>4060229>IESLB
>>4060229This. I'm so fucking tired of this shit.
>>4060138trans Ralsei
>>4060229>>4057214
>>4059991The rails stay ON in Ol' Winnie's story.
>>4060239Based drawfren
>>4060239kek
>>4060021The absolute state of theories outside of 4chan
Been thinking about Two Angels theory. The purpose of which would be create a theory that explains the final prophecy, the Angel's Heaven and the game having "one" ending.I've been fascinated by Ralsei and Noelle's apparent parallels: both are mages in the dark world, both are docile, and hold a terrible power. And curiously they haven't truly interacted despite both being main characters. In some ways it feels like Noelle and Ralsei are mirroring each other.>In Ralsei's prophecy: Three HEROES appear at WORLDS' edge. [...] Only they can seal the fountains, And banish the ANGEL'S HEAVEN.>In the Church prophecy: "THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILL FINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE."So the end of the Prophecy has the Angel meeting with its desire... Which is to be banished? The Heroes themselves are the ones to do such a thing. But didn't Susie say "they wouldn't let it happen?"Ralsei's whole development so far is about him questioning what he truly wants (desires?) to do, that despite trying to change the prophecy passively, putting his trust on Susie, on Kris, on who he was praying to, it's time to take matters into his own hands. Ralsei desires to change the tragedy and spare his friends from this fate. Maybe taking a role he wasn't meant to, the role of the Angel itself.Noelle in Side B, meanwhile, well, you know how she is. It would be easy to assume her desire right now continuing forward, towards freedom, maybe freedom from this entire program of walls of code that constrain her. She wants to grow wings after all.If we take into account the final prophecy is a violent action the heroes don't want it to happen, which could include the loss of a loved one...>Side A, Angel Ralsei's desire is to save his friends, becomes Angel and is banished to save them.>Side B, Angel Noelle's desire of freedom, achieves it with banishment itself.The prophecy fulfilled in both, the outcome the same, but different actors.
>>4060242I don't think this is a drawfag but an old image.
>>4060248Surely Ralsei's castle having that perpetually locked door decorated with six wings means nothing at all.
>>4060242flattered, but I'm pretty sure I snatched this from another thread
>>4060193a matter of time until we splinter to the winds once more
>>4060258The does just can't help themselves when it comes to Kris, huh
>>4059285>>4059289I'm still pissed that his playtesters made Toby break a cardinal rule of the setting just for "quality of life", being that you can save in the light world now, just because it was inconvenient to have to go back to castle town
>>4060258I like Kress but this is just scribbles bro
>>4060248I also think it'll be like the Angel in Undertale, where depending on the route you take it's either Asriel or the player. So keeping in line with that, I think in Deltarune the two possible Angels will be either the player or Noelle.>both associated with angel imagery>both representing what's presumably the "angel" sphere + wings of the DELTA RUNE at different pointsI think on a normal route Noelle will be the Angel and the Angel's Heaven would be whatever the fuck she does in Chapters 6 and 7, with the Fun Gang needing to use the SOUL to banish it (keep in mind "Banish" is something the SOUL can already do). But in the Weird Route, however, the player is the one actively enforcing their own "desire" on the world instead of just going through the motions like they have to do on a normal route.
>>4060271>does this>then make Flowery's voicelines unable to be toggled during the final boss fight (where they actually help you time your attacks) until a future patchThank you Toby very cool
>>4059285Imagine if he listened to them and we missed out on this KINO
>>4060289hey man the only person that told you to turn them off was a seething retard
>>4060289>you can't even re-enable them normally, you have to take a mark of shame and accumulate a loss first before the re-enabler appears>all this because there wasn't a notice that you can re-enable Flowery voice clips after you leave the room where the joke plays out and players just assumed you were unable to turn it back on for the rest of the chapter>all this because Toby REFUSES to add a second page to any menu ever unless it's the inventory or recruits menu
>my thread turned into an actual elements threadtoo subtle
>>4059452I would recommend the DevilsKnife instead of the JusticeAxe on Susie. That way if you have Kris and Susie attack an enemy, it's very unlikely to kill but will send them into the tired state.If you're still having trouble, give Kris a weaker weapon
>>4060293Retard
>>4060287Noelle's role in the Normal Route is such a question mark to me it could work, but I don't find it particularly satisfying to give her that degree of importance compared to the Weird route. To me it's more fitting thematically, and also avoiding a rethread of Undertale's premise, to keep the Player as this mediator who only has the power to influence the characters to change an outcome instead of being fully the one to blame. Also I mostly have a ready scenario for her being the Angel and her Desire per se.
>>4059576>Kris was embarrassed to give Susie the knife because it was hidden in her ass
>>4059576Yeah! Well, whenever you notice something like that, a Gaster did it!
>>4060287>where depending on the route you take it's either Asriel or the player.*Asriel or CharaThey're the ones who either break the barrier or destroy the world, nor you.
>>4060287>enforcing their own "desire" on the world>Noele festival was skippedgood joke.
>>4060292No bro you don't understand, the UI is part of the actual world so you can't have two pages of settings because, uh... you just can't ok?!
>>4059576The real question is why doesn't he hide his phone
>>4060303Yeah, but you can have lore-breaking save points in the light world.
>>4060303because the writers are more focused on making nagasagy kikky parks instead of an actual game
>>4060304because kris can and will delete contacts, as we've seen in ch4 interestingly, kris holds the phone backwards when you try to check it at the end of ch5, probably just to further fuck with (you)
>>4060307He definitely got a lot of calls from basically everyone who was trying to let him know Rudy's dead.
>>4060301But reddit keeps telling me I did Genocide and I'm the bad guy
>>4060301Ultimately, both only become the Angel because of (You)r actions.Asriel would never do it if you weren't a nice boy, and Chara would never do it if you weren't a murder boy.
>>4060308>timeloop theory>kris still cries like a bitch every time he gets the news about rudy>doesnt want to break down in front of susie and (you) so he holds the phone backwards.
>>4060308i do wonder how ch6 is going to opensurely kris gives enough of a shit about rudy to go see him on his death bed, right? if not for him then for noelle at the very least
>>4060309Yeah, it's still your actions dude, just like how your actions brought Asriel back to his senses, too.
>>4059641GTA6 is at borderline fucking *zero* interest on /v/, it kills me
>>4060312Likely his bedroom again and another night of no sleep for Kris.I don wonder what the fuck will happen during school hours.
>>4060317why, kris will sleep through all of class again of courseby the time he's awake, susie will have given noelle all the info she needs to be sucked into her magical realm in the closet
>>4060315It's actually giving me second hand embarrassment
>>4060315>>4060320it's a cultural phenomenon you deltatroons/v/ NEEDS 2/3 of the catalogue to be gta6 threads or else it won't make get the 6 million sales it deserves
when do you get festival with noelle, the game said kris and noelle would go to the festival together
>>4060325After Chapter 7, when you IMAGINE your own version of DELTARUNE: One Year Later.
>>4060325>the game saidNo such thing.
>>4060326thats stupid, then the game lied i want a game to play where kris and noelle go to the festival together
>>4060325You did in the Chapter 5 Normal Route. You just did it as her and Susie's pet dog
>>4060323>/v/ NEEDS 2/3 of the catalogue to be dead gta6 threadsFixed that for you
>>4060327>ch4 church has rudy saying noelle was wondering if Kris would go to the festival, approves>end of ch4 has carol asking if he's going to festival and that noelle's looking forward to seeing Kris at the festival>>4060329cuckshit is bad
>>4060192I remembering being one of the few people here who gave Suselle the benefit of the doubt back in CH2 since so much was unknown, and there still plenty of time to flesh out their relationship. All that good grace evaporated in CH4.
>>4060325Snowgrave was never your furry dating sim route.
>>4060332remember when people thought susie was getting annoyed when noelle was throwing her friendships with kris and catti under the bus? turns out she was actually in to that and fully supports noelle burning all her bridges just to be with her
>>4060331>RudyShipbait, Toby likes giving every ship material even if Suselle is the only canon one in normal route because he wants to encourage fanfics and AUs where THOSE ships happen>Carol's Weird Route callYou should've known Kris wouldn't want to go to the festival on Weird Route after how badly he sperged out on you for making Noelle equip the Thorn Ring again. You got yourself hyped up for a scenario that was never likely to happen, and now you have egg on your face and blame everyone but yourself.
>>4060293At least you made an on-topic thread.
>>4060315I don't understand why /v/ would even care for GTA6, it's like the ultimate flagship of everything wrong with AAA gaming. No wonder DeltaKINO mogs it in authentic engagement
>>4060334I don't need a dating Sim. But I do want a hmofa childhood friends rpg adventure game, now that Toby Fox got me interested. And that spiteful piece of shit took it away. How can you tell anyone to play weird route to fix their problems with the game after it ended with nothing.>>4060338How can you keep defending every time thr game lies at the player's expense. How can you do that.
>>4060192despite being a ralsusfaggot i still tried giving suselle SOME amount of grace prior to chapter 5, who knows maybe toby will actually give them some real chemistry and development together in the "big" festival. and the chapter 5 came out and not only did it NOT make the ship more endearing it actively did the opposite by intensifying its worse traits by also making susie a drooling retard around noelle and having kris's being cucked an explicit and keyplot point just leaving the "wholesome" lake scene feeling really uncomfortable. so now we're at a point where either toby is setting suselle to fail miserably to the joy of many or toby's a hack and he somehow thought the festival was good writing...
>>4060332kek good meme
>>4060292Toby refuses to add more save slots too.We're at the point where we've got 4 possible routes, not even including 7B>Pacifist>Aborted Chapter 2 (kept ThornRing)>Aborted Chapter 4>Drowned Chapter 53 save slots were all fine and good when the game was gonna be smaller but now I've just got to have my aborted chapter 4 backed up somewhere on my computer to slot it in just in case it matters in chapter 6
>>4060347Suselle can't fail, because if love doesn't find its way to The Girl/The Girl doesn't learn the true meaning of love, then the prophecy breaks and reality starts sperging out like it did when you tried drowning Kris and Noelle in Weird Route.
>>4060293I apologize for calling you a retard earlier. That thread is very comfy
>>4060351Right, these ancient people supporting homosexuality at the expense if the other heroes and everything elseStupid writers
>>4060293I feel like that keeps happening lately.Every single stealth thread gets overtaken by other people because no one really checks /v/ anymore for Deltarune
>>4060355Personally i like them. They are always very comfy because they are threads were people actually talk about VIDEO GAMES
>>4060325We'll go there with her in the New Game+ Side BHave some candy apples and do some square dancing, it'll be greatAnd best of all there will be NO SUSIE
>>4060351Gay shit doesn't belong in a kids game you piece of shitThat earns you a subversion. Your hands being removed from your wrists.
>>4060354>ancient peopleToby wrote it, and he likely wrote it so that Gaster wrote it, the man who was shattered across spacetime, who now creates a prophecy foretold from time and space. This is HIS DELTARUNE, and considering he was originally in Undertale, which was faggot town galore, is it REALLY any surprise he made it so the path of least resistance to fulfilling the prrophecy is the yuri couple, featuring the world's most submissive cunt and the prophecy's strongest soldier?
>>4060358>new game plus side byImplement the tired notification first. And the hp and mercy percentages.It's been 8 years, if he can't do that, he won't do anything with the old chapters
>>4060337god chapter 5 somehow makes 4's mansion section feel even more awkward. like remember when susie openly admitted she would have rather taken RALSEI to the festival if she could, or her pressing noelle about her relationship with kris, or the fact that the two of them arguably spend more time about kris than each other, or how about susie taking noelle to the festival was explicitly about her wanting to piss off carol and nothing about "tew luv" like 5 implies?
>>4060359Deltarune is rated T for Teen, I.E. not for children. That complaint only works for Undertale, which is rated E10+.
>>4060357It's just frustrating because it reminds me of how unfair it is that we don't get to have threadsThose GTA tards better be careful. If they start talking about the game now, they'll have completely used up their 3-month grace period before being pushed to /vg/
>>4060362The fact we literally don't even SEE Carol in Chapter 5 is baffling. The entire conceit of Susie deciding "fuck it, Noelle's going with ME to the festival" is completely absent because she needs to invaguestigate the shelter, because otherwise you'd have actual drama and tension when Susie deliberately struts up to Carol to taunt her, and also because otherwise Rudy would never get hurt from falling because his wife would literally never allow him to risk being hurt or would be right there to catch him.
>>4060363Still stands. If I saw Toby Fox near a kid, I cut his hands off. And it's no excuse to go after my entertainment either. I'm not gay, don't make my games gay.
>>4060351>deltarune is actually gaster's shitty yurific
>>4060360Enjoy the birth rate going down, Yuri cuck>>4060367That's gross, man, nothing will make that good, nothing. Don't find it attractive, it's disgusting.
>>4060367Well Gaster is Toby, and Toby's a faggot who likes his yuri, so yes.
>>4060362the only thing i can actually praise toby for with susie and noelle's talk is baiting everyone into thinking that noelle's friendship with kris was forced by the parents, only to completely flip it on its head in ch5 by making it abundantly clear that noelle believes that she was the one forcing it onto kristhat's a compelling and tragic twist for the two of them, especially since we know kris doesn't feel that way about it at all
>Deltarune trojan horses actual vidya discussion onto the board
>>4060365remember how the church got completely trashed at the end of ch4 with susie's note in alvin's study as the only lead?turns out it was totally fine that the church was completely vandalized and robbed, alvin got a feel good note and that makes it all ok
>>4060370And they still shoved the unskippable suselle shit into your face
>>4060373if that thread gets nuked it's your fault
>>4060374Don't defend this writing. Do something about it
>>4060364It's an AAA game that invites consewar faggotry and culturewar bullshit. Sadly i don't think they will go anywhereThey will still get to genuine activity, however
>>4060370it's a good twist on what we knew, which is why it's so bizarre that it's both easily missable due to requiring you to do specific things to set it up, and completely in the fucking background on a mostly black screen while suselle's generic-ass shit gets a spotlighted 10 minute cutscene
>>4060377There isn't anything to do about it you fucking sperg
>>4060377>>4060374Do you fuckers really thought the nice turtle pastor who got a heartfelt letter from his dead father would really denounce Susie as this irredeemable delinquent
>>4060380Pull out the modtool and change it
>>4060376Jannies already know, there were a bunch of deleted Deltarune posts but the thread itself stayed up even though the OP is literally a Deltarune image.
>>4060381They hate Susie now so they were hoping to see her suffer, yes.>but what about the internal logic of the worldShould matter less than the game punishing characters who displease the player, apparently.
>>4060374Look that note came from the words of a very wise turtle nigga. So wise that Alvin understood the mess Susie made wasn't out of malice
>>4060374Alvin was never going to do anything of significance, he was solely there as a background element to foreshadow Gerson's appearance in Chapter 4. Now that Gerson has told Susie to write a letter for him, Alvin's relevance is finished, just like how Berdly's relevance finished after Chapter 2.
>>4060381maybe not, but he should still be concerned that someone trashed the church in the middle of the night instead of just brushing it off as 'the angel works in mysterious ways' and given that toriel got her car tires slashed two days prior, it's a good thing none of the retards in town talk to each other or else they'd think there was a maniac on the loose
>>4060385>displease the playerComing from the one who thinks rpgs would be trying to constantly displease the player.
>>4060374nah i always thought that wasn't actually going to lead to something, people expecting some kind of big drama from that was totally because of the downtime making them overanalyse everything, as with many other overblown situations cough toriel cough
>>4060381no the expectation was that CAROL the town mayor who susie actively pissed off last chapter 5 was going to do something to get back at her and the church being in complete shambles likely would be the perfect excuse to cockblock her daughter's dyke fantasies. you know real conflict in my T rated game
>>4060388Tell the writers that this sucks. I did.
Oh no! i was WARNNED for posing ant Tenna. Guys i'm so scared....
>>4060389>but if they aren't constantly terrified of me being even slightly annoyed or set back by a character I can't instantly kill in retribution, they'll constantly try to piss me off!!!Sounds like a (you) problem.
>>4060385How about making an effort to not spit on the player constantly. You can afford to do that with your millionaire budget, can't you?
>>4060391All this shows is that Triple Trucies is real and that Carol isn't the Knight.Kris is dealing with Carol who doesn't know he's also dealing with Knight, who doesn't know he's dealing with the Fun Gang, who doesn't know he's dealing with the other two.Else, she would've absolutely heard about Susie's brash antagonism forcing Knight's hand to summon that Titan, and then the drama you were hoping for would've happened.
>>4060382>You walk into the church>I KNOW IT WAS YOU YOU LITTLE SHIT>ROBBING THE CHURCH>IMPERSONATING MY DEAD FATHER>HOW LOW CAN YOU GO>BY THE POWER INVESTED ME IN ME BY THE HOLY ANGEL, I SHALL SMITE THEE
>>4060397Actually it might have been easier to just have her not go into the church
>>4060398but then you can't make catti cry!!!!
>>4060394Don't play dumb. The game does not respects player whatsoever especially now, just look at Susietown, look at the cuck scene.You can't call this the fun adventure chapter if you don't want the player to enjoy it and have fun.
>>4060399If Alvin KILLS Susie how are you supposed make Catti cry
>>4060395I'm not being spat on. Because I didn't stake my ego on the events of the fixed plot I have no control over.>but you're playing the game! You should have control!!!Over the gameplay, yes. The writing is what it is. If I want to change the writing, I have to 1.) mod the game, and 2.) accept that nobody else will be talking about the same game as me anymore.>>4060400>it doesn't respect me!!!It respects you just fine. You're demanding more authority than it ever agreed to or implied it would give.
>>4060401she'll probably cry if noelle cries, right?
>>4060401She'll cry tears of joy
I just realized that every time i get a warning from /v/'s janny its over a post with a noelle image...
>>4060402>respects you just fineWhere is it then you piece of shit.
>>4060405>just saw the Nothing Ever Happens Noelle post get deleted>all the other Deltarune image posts still intactHMMMMMMMMMM
>>4060405>>4060407so what i'm understanding is that we should hornypost about carol instead
Troonitor is stalking the stealth thread and making this face as he snipes random posts that make him mad
>got a TEN MINUTE ban from /v/ over posting deer assi'm convinced that /v/ is an elaborate social experiment
>>4060397>I made a sprite edit of what you wanted being portrayed as stupid and goofy, therefore I am rightIt's Toriel discourse all over again.Also highlights how Toby cocksuckers are arbitrary in how they judge the game and its stakes.>You're mad Toriel slept though chapter 3? She had to do! Her learning about the dark world would derail the story! You just wanted Undertale wank and Firegrave shit!>You expected the trashed church to matter? You thought Carol would do something against the delinquent she hates? Fucking idiot, of course it was going to be brushed off! Alvin was never important!
>>4060411I got a warning for posting a battat there lmao
>>4060412I'm not the original anon nor do I care about what you people are talking aboutI just like making stupid sprite edits
>>4060415I'm just tired of anons using the firegrave shit as an escape goat against people who got disappointed with Toriel.
I think here is a better place to deltatalk than /v/. Posts are more organized and you can hold a conversation for longer. It's not a major improvement or anything but it doesn't bother me except when there's 3000 replies and the tab gets laggy
Two Knights theory chads, how are we feeling?Do we think there's any real significance for Kris being knighted?
>>4060418it's nowhere as fun to shitpost though
>>4060419middle one is asgore, the other skinny one is either rudy or carol
>>4060419I'm gonna be honest, I am not sold on the two Knights, BUT, it is certainly very fucking odd that there's two Knight like figures there for some reason.
>>4060419I don't think there's multiple Knights, I just think the Knight's armor is fashioned after a Titan
I'm shocked at this point Rudy Knight and Noelle Knight have more ardent defenders than Carol Knight, despite her being the one getting the strongest hints after Dess.I guess the hints are so on the nose people immediately assumed it's a red herring?
>>4060429Because I don't want some bitch being the Roaring Knight
>>4060429Yeah, Carol has been assumed a red herring for a good while. She's so obviously positioned as an antagonist and able to move freely about town, she's a Holiday, she has access to the shelter, she's conspiring with Kris who's conspiring with the Knight...It really mostly feels like she's got a big enough role in the various antagonistic plots without also being the knight. Which is kind of a bad thing to make a prediction on, to be fair.
>>4060429carol is still a borderline nothing character, she has one and a half scenes and both of them are in ch4meanwhile both rudy and noelle have been around since the start and even if you disagree with one or both of them being the knight, one could reasonably understand their motivation for being the knight without going off of just assumptions like carol
>>4060429Carol Knight and Rudy Knight are functionally the same theory but Rudy Knight is based on hype moments and aura and also a meme gone too far so it's preferred.
There won't be any more titans, ch4 guaranteed that them ever showing up again would be a a wet fart
>>4060419Do (You) think we will ever fight another titan? and if so would it be a copy and paste or are there different titan types?
>>4060440Toby could always go with the "that one was a newborn, an adult one is WAY more powerful" excuse
>>4060442As shown in Ralsei's explanation and said in its own description they come in many different forms.
so if we follow reverse undertale, does that mean carol will probably be the boss of the next chapter?
>>4060447Depends on whether or not Toby has the balls to let us fight a Lightner who knows about Dark Worlds and carries a real ass weapon, thereby putting Susie in a situation where she'll be legitimately exposed for being a weakling loser after Berdly nearly did the job with how unironically strong he is.
>>4060447If the next chapter takes place in Holiday Manor, then it's either her or Dess' GuitarI just know she will get kidnapped by the Knight next chapter
>>4060447Enjoy another pacifist only final boss, cuck
>>4060447Yes, but the intriguing part is how she will mirror Toriel's role.No previous chapter boss was a 1:1 match but there is always some paralel. Would Carol follow and defend the party as they fight through the horror of the next world until she backstabs everyone?
>>4060452It'll probably be another Asgore where we barely see her outside of her inevitable drama conflict with Noelle. Then she'll end up recognizing the error of her ways when she sees Noelle is able to handle herself, apologize for all the years of being the worst, give Suselle her personal approval, and THEN she'll get kidnapped.
>>4060454>Noelle, my daughter, I am no longer homophobicoh god, i can see it
>>4060454Who will be the boss then?
>>4060457Noelle & Dess's Guitar, who's basically Darkner Dess the same way Zenlooker is Darkner Milklooker.
>>4060419there's a single knight, kriselle knight
>>4060465Kriselle Knight is just Noelle Knight for cowards and people who desperately need to validate their own Weird Route playthroughs as if being judged by the game is something to feel ashamed of.
>>4060466You think if Noelle knight is right it won't also be the result of the weird route?
>>4060466>something to a ashamed ofAs if you didn't say that weird route players don't deserve battles.
>>4060466The lack of content is shameful, and you defended it.
Double posting at complete randoms? Riled up tonight, are we?
>getting mad at me when our schizo GOD who has said nothing but the TRUTH and CONTINUES to be validated with every chapter literally calls you EVIL for doing Weird Route
>>4060477>please play my little fever dream game guys but, um, you're a hecking bad person if you didn't like it
>>4060477I like being evil so this is ok
>>4060480>doing evil in the game is because you don't like the gameLmao? lol?
>>4060482>calling it evil when you told me to do it to fix my problems with the game
>>4060046>Ness' friends are dead just as how we're going to have Kris and Noelle kill Susie and Ralsei at some point
>>4060483The game doesn't call anything you were told to do evil.
>>4060481I said this but remember Kris is the one actually taking credit for being evil
>>4060486Apparently trying to get a kriselle festival was too evil for the developers to even try
>>4060490The game didn't tell you to do this or that it would happen. Several characters with biased or incomplete information implied it might happen, and even that only ever looked likely on the weird route.
>>4060490There's no way you saw Kris sperg out in Chapter 4 and think he was ready for festival activities with Noelle
>>4060493He'll happily ignore the tone of the game if a character mentions something that he wants to happen more. Any idea the game puts in his head, it is obligated to follow up on exactly as he imagined.
>>4060492>The game didn't tell you to do this or that it would happen.He's a retard who set himself up with the belief that it would happen because Carol called to confirm with Kris about Noelle's sudden new interest in going to the festival with him without actually factoring how Kris felt or what Kris wanted to do.
>>4060495You can say that with literally anything. You can't even say the weird route will give me anything at that point
>>4060494You'll justify the game stepping over anything the player wants to do.Yeah, I want my ideas to come to life, how else am i supposed to have that other than having a game with them?
>not even deleted just straight up force archived JANNY ARE YOU OK
>>4060499You've had 8 years to learn the lesson that your wants =/= Kris's wants because YOU ARE NOT KRIS.You still have not learned this lesson, and you choose to get mad at the game instead of realizing you're fucking stupid.
>/v/ thread forcibly archived on page 1Damn. Guess the janny just woke up then.
Electricity is the best element by the way
Wait did the thread even autosage or did it just... get archived? They can do that? What's even the point over just deleting it?
>>4060502Then why do my wants start to matter, eh? its a game, not a film.
>>4060504So good that only one enemy in the entire game has it
>>4060506It got forcibly archived on page 1.Why? I'm afraid i don't have a question. The patterns of janny seething are unpredictable
>>4060509*I don't have an answer to that questionFuck i'm tired
>>4060507*whenI meant to say when But it still stands, the weird route could have literally nothing now and you will still defend it. What's wrong with you? Why do you hate it when gamers have fun, why?
>archives the elements thread>hastily 404s the noelle gooner threadYou can almost get a narrative out of what drives him to seethe so badly. ALMOST, and it seems to have something to do with the fact Noelle specifically reminds him of something that makes him seethe.
>>4060515Maybe he's actually doing this for our own goodHe knows what happens if we keep Noelle-posting, that we could bring the fallen angel of Toby's dreams into realityHe's willing to be the villain who kills our fun to prevent us from doing something we can't take back
>>4060518Fuck man...
>>4060515Impressed by the sheer pointlessness of archiving that thread after making an effort to derail it from being a stealth or "stealth" thread
>>4060518I think it's a little too late to prevent that...
>>4060523People tend to do irrational things when they are seething
>>4060500By making something. Games don't let your ideas come to life, they let the creator's ideas come to life.>>4060511The weird route has a lot. You don't value any of it because it doesn't resemble your specific idea of "completing the mission".
>>4060533>has a lotch3 exact samech4 dark world exact samech5 no battles at all and kris and noelle just drowning in a lake after 20 minutes of a chapter>making somethingIf I tried making something, they'd skin me alive because my ideas aren't subversive enough. I have no one helping me. And its not my job to make my own entertainment. I don't play football anymore, is it my job to get my jersey out if I want to see the sport of football?
>>4060543>they'd skin me alive because my ideas aren't subversive enough.what matters is execution. as long as you do something well, doesn't matter that is it a rehash or something else. besides as we are seeing with tobert, there is such a thing as too much subversion getting in the way of enjoyment
>>4060545aren't you the one who just told me that i don't deserve anything I want when im playing a game and was ready to defend anything in it?
>>4060548no I'm a different guy that didn't read the previous conversation
>>4060515i vaguely remember some conspiracy from early last year that the janny was a susellefag, but i can't remember what the proof was
>>4060552iirc, several threads got nuked immediately after that one suselle troll would show up and start spamming his shit.
>the janny exclusively wipes doefag threadsB-B-BASED!!?!?!?!?!
Gee man, I wonder what Gaster's fate in 7B is gonna be like.
>>4060573Utter and complete destruction.
>>4060574Sorry Wing Dings but in this world it's KILL or be KILLED.
I have a jokeHow many deltarune images does it take to mindbreak the /v/ermin?
>>4060193>y'allNIGGER
chad_kris69 lost
>>40605790, you can mindbreak them into thinking anything is a stealth thread
>>4060587All you have to do is vaguely allude to Deltarune while boosting the thread's activity so that it completely outpaces all the other threads on /v/.
wtf a deltarune thread just flew over my house!
>>4060573forcing you to spare him
>>4058735"excited" is a relative term due to my lack of options and not currently having the console for it, but I've been somewhat interested in Xenoblade Genesis after finishing up the super bosses in 1 & 2.>>4060429Rudy Knight's just kind of strange to be by the fact that most of his scenes are optional. I'm well aware that this by itself is not a good enough point to invalidate the theory, but the idea of the persistent antagonistic figure actually being the dying deer guy who you can optionally chat up and otherwise barely see him mandatorily with is odd
>>4060595>most all of his scenes are optional, the only mandatory thing with rudy is that you have to see him at church in ch4not interact, but have him on screen because noelle is right beside him, who is mandatory to talk tothat's it, everything else is optional
>>4056958Alvin? Though Idk why he would use a bat/knife as a weapon.
>>4057268I only visit those threads at work, shitposting on company's dime. It's a useful perk, I see no crime.
I have a theory.I don't think Mr. Fox had no fever dream... I think that sonnuvabitch ate a bunch of magic mushrooms and experienced The Brave Little Toaster first hand and he's too polite to admit it. That guy tripped nuts and felt empathy for his cum sock before feeling ego death and then the come down was the famous "fever dream" when he came back to his senses.
>>4060615>chapter 7 will feature gaster's cum sock darkner as a reflection of this experience
>>4060515don't forget him deleting the noelle posts and ONLY the noelle posts because that'll show them
Noelle killed the janny's grandma ok!
god imagine if noelle wins the queen of /v/ solely because deltafags are the only people still lurking on this shithole when the event starts
>>40606281 billion indiansit won't happen
>>4060628Imagine if Kris wins Queen of /v/ though.
>>4060631>fat>titlet>asslet>only really pushed by five autists>not even the most popular toby "female" human here>not even the most popular deltarune female "human" herekris gets spitroasted by noelle and aqua during the qualification rounds
>>4060337I always thought that was cope, it was very clear Susie was worried Noelle didn't see their ferris wheel ride as romantic in that scene but everyone was too blind to see it.
>>4060633Hot.
>>4060390>as with many other overblown situations cough toriel coughliterally no one predicted toriel just sleeping through the entire chapter because that all objectively the least intresting direction toby would go with that espcially after having new new lightners stumbling into a dark world and it generated a lot of fun scenarios
What if the knight is Kris's original soul? say Kris and Dess were exploring the shelter and ended up in a dark world. Asgore (and potentially Carol and Rudy) come looking and learn what dark worlds are but are just confused as any normal person would be. A human soul is needed to close a dark fountain and Kris sacrifices their soul to close it in panic. The soul is trapped in there with Dess, the adults are left in shock and confusion, and Kris is left soulless and filled with guilt. Dess stays lost but the soul gets crusted over over the years maintaining its intention, basically driven like a machine serving one purpose. The knight becomes the opposite of the player in that it is trying to systematically do what the game wants it to, like the "hero" in MOON.The image of the "titans" might be Asgore, Carol, and Rudy. The three adults that saw the dark world and are forming a plan to engage it. The titan we fight looked nothing like the image of the titans we saw. The Holiday house could be a setup custom built to be advantageous to their mission in a dark world, especially with all the hearts. Asgore may have an understanding of plants in the dark world and focused on that in hopes to get glues on what is happening if he catches another glimpse.And the knight, if it is Kris's original soul shielded in darkness may be trying to correct the original mistake and do what's right. Kris was a kid. Maybe the knight is trying to "assemble a party" of people that a kid would think could help. Trying to get parents and the police, trusted adults, as opposed to running and hiding and masking. The other side of the coin of the Kris we know.
>>4058038>Someone I knew that loved Undertale and was excited for Deltarune has pretty much phased out of caring about it.A secondary tourist got filtered
>>4060374I always said Alvin was going to be irrelevant but people refused to accept it.
>>4060650Kris would have been dead for years if the Knight was their original soul.
>>4060419Kris is Oersted so he's becoming the next knight next chapter after the fake one is defeated next chapter.
>>4060447Maybe but it could be any guardian/motherly character.
>>4060596It's also obligatory to know that he fell down in Chapter 5, too.
>>4060631The only Toby human that has a chance to win Queen of /v/ is Aqua or Chara. That's it.
>>4060533>The weird route has a lot.5 chapters in (and one skipped) and we don't have a single actual exclusive weird route boss fight. Undertale had two in a fraction of the length, and it arguably wasn't much either.>muh doe cutscenes If that's your excuse, you're borderline the same as a naughty dog fag.
>>4060663Queen of /v/ doesn't favor lolis.
>>4060664Solo Spamton NEO is exclusive to Side B though
>>4060668It's a reheated normal route secret boss.
>>4060669That version is still esclusive to Side B though.
>>4060628>>4060631Noelle is the queen, Kris is the king.
>>4060670>but but butSame bullet patterns, same music, same guy.6 chapters in and not a single Undyne the Undying moment.
>>4060671False because Kris wanted to be the Queen. I say we vote Kris Dreamer for Queen and Noelle Hollyday for King.
>>4060665Huh? Most Queens are literal lolis and Madotsuki (braid Frisk) literally won, too.
>>4060660>Kris is OerstedDesign-wise yes, but role-wise... is it though? I have a feeling that the big subversion is that Kris is actually Streibough/Straybow, the traitor mage. The game is way too consistent in insisting that Kris can't use magic to a suspicious level, could Kris secretly be a magic user who sealed off his magic? The real "Oersted" of the story could be Susie instead. She believes herself to be the hero of the story, but eventually will be betrayed by Kris and perhaps realize that she was always meant to be the evil Dragon.
>>4060683Madotsuki is safe loli. Etna lost sadly.
Convince me to play Yume Nikki
>>4060687freeware, neat dreamscapes, intriguing atmosphere, historically significant for indie gaming, required reading for understanding Robert "Radiation" Fox
>>4060684Susie and Noelle both can't use magic under certain events (Susie making her healing magic 102% TP and Snowgrave being 200% without the ThornRing)Maybe the trauma of THAT DAY made Kris repress how to use magic. In the Undertale world humans had it before they USED IT UP creating the barrier, so theoretically humans can use it too in the dark worlds.
>>4057832You recruited too much nig- I mean darkners and your castle town got overpopulated.
>>4057908Weirdbros... We are getting bullied...
Somewhere over the rainbowWay up highThere's a land that I heard ofOnce in a lullabySomewhere over the rainbowSkies are blueAnd the dreams that you dare to dreamReally do come trueSomeday I'll wish upon a starAnd wake up where the clouds are far behind meWhere troubles melt like lemon dropsAway above the chimney topsThat's where you'll find meSomewhere over the rainbowBluebirds flyBirds fly over the rainbowWhy, then, oh, why can't I?If happy little bluebirds flyBeyond the rainbowWhy, oh, why can't I?
>>4060697Nothing a little violence can't solve
>>4060706Bravo Toby for making the same kino two times now.
>>4060706SFB sounds too genericI like 74 more
>>4058091Interesting... We might take control of the knight at some point like we did in mantle.
>>4060323>only 6 millionpathetic
>>4060725He did, it was on page 1 or 2 and suddenly boom, archived
>>4060315/v/ is a place full of lazy contrarians who brag about pirating everything and hating AAA gaming with a burning passion. i have no idea why they think astro turfing fucking gta of all games there would do anything beside piss of the dwindling user base
>>4060515I think the Gerson thread from yesterday safely making it to page 10 and archiving naturally REALLY pissed him off, even though it never overthrew their precious GTA6 and other astroturfed threads in PPM
>>4060362unironically i thought susie obsession with wanting ralsei to be at the festival was setting up a dark world being opened in it allowing susie and ralsei to fuck off again and for us to get another obligatory "kris and noelle solo adventure". but no nothing happened at the festival and that whole subplot with ralsei is immedietly forgotten about
Why is it so particularly inactive today
>>4057350>>4057382if I recall correctly, it also got tons of people who were fans of the ship to stop drawing for it too. Yes, a fucking meme edit where kris has big tits was enough to get trannies triggered and to stop drawing fanart, that's how many prudes exist in this community. But I honestly don't know what I expected after the shitstorm they caused over an artist liking porn involving susie/kris/noelle and crying over an artist giving their noelle model modest proportions
So apparently the White House has been making a bunch of posts with deltarune music in them… what the fuck is happening
>>4060769Activity fluctuates, it's normal.
>>4060774just an intern being a fan of deltarunedoubt materia will sue the us gov, even nintendo didn't dare
>>4060774I only know of the Department of War oneI NEED links to those to see the trannies seething in the comments
>>4060779Think you've chosen the wrong game to attach yourself to as a source of "tranny seethe", stick with GTA6 or other gun and ball games
>>4060769Every post ITT was me and I stopped posting today.
>>4060781They hated Homestuck enough to ban it for over a decade, though there was always hear-tell about a /co/ mod failing to get it in with a Homestuck cosplayer and *that's* why /hsg/ was abruptly not tolerated
>>4060780I can enjoy this game and dislike trannies, as weird as it sounds. Each of us came here with different motivations
>>4060781That is also a possibility, yes.
>>4060781They love bing bing wahoo Nintendo bullshit though
>>4060781I've considered it plenty, but it doesn't produce enough functional difference. The companies that pay for shills also did enough market research to know that a decent demographic is stuck thinking like this. They leverage these people whenever they can to get free/cheaper shilling.
>>4060774America doesn’t run on silly things like “logic” but rather what would be the funniest thing to happen in that specific moment. And trump using DELTARUNE music to hype up his voter base of chuds and lead poisoned boomers is objectively funny
>>4060737The thing is that the elements thread DID overthrow their shitty GTA6 threads so i guess it had to go. I'm actually impressed at how little of a shit /v/ gives about GTA6. Not even in my wildest dreams could i have imagined it would be so irrelevant after all that aggressive shilling
>>4060785Anon those people unironically can't enjoy a piece of media if they disagree on ANYTHING with the author. People being able to separate their political views from the media they consume is an alien concept for them
>>4060793I think the TAKING TOO LONG for GTA6 didn't help it, among other things.GTA 3 to 5 also came out in a culture that isn't completely dead but isn't on its heyday either, we're at the age stuff like Fortnite or Roblox is at the top.
>>4060628not a snowball's chance in hell but the tears would be beautiful
>>4060798Yeah there's nothing about GTA that actually warrants taking so fucking long, let alone the billion-dollars budget it's purported to have now
>>4060793GTA 6 is formulaic, I know I played the fuck out of GTA 3, VC and SA at the time (especially VC). GTA 4 and 5 may be visually nicer, but the formula began to wear down my patience. At some point, and as you age, you don't want to play bigger games, but more refined, engaging games. And the new generations are just not on 4chan, they also don't want to play necessarily the same kind of games as their dad (unless it's bing bing yahoo, but that's because it's so benign compared to GTA).
>>4060797I can kind of see their reasoning for a game as woke as Deltarune but I liked Undertale as a kid so I figured why not play Toby's second game as well
>>4060628>rigged of /v/i've seen motherfuckers posting bazz 'because it's funny haha' too many times i'm fucking done with those clowns
>>4060806People say a lot the mods are Nintendo dick-riders but outside of Super Smash Bros. I don't really see it, the board tolerated "Playstation gold kek face anal-voring the other games companies" for years
>>4060806Mario doesn't have any woke aspects and it's not like the lore of it is very important. They judge based off wokeness and not if their preferences are childish
>>4060809Pseudo-ironic Concord worship is the unfunniest shit I have ever seen on /v/ short only the rise of tranny as a catch-all insult
>>4060809But Bazz is bazzed
>>4060803I thought people only cared for GTA to play an infinity of sandbox game modes on Online
>>4060806They also dislike Fire Emblem which is strange to me because it is a nintendo game. I guess they think it's icky because it's anime so it doesn't belong in the anime website
>>4060816you ever seen how smashfags feel about fire emblem? that's why
>>4060816They might be that specific type of Nintendo fan that grew up when NoA's bullshit was at its peak and considers the "anime" IPs not getting sidelined as hard as they used to to be some kind of foreign invasion.
>>4060821Really weird approach knowing what we do now that the anti-anime approach was entirely Reggie's fault
>>4060816>They also dislike Fire Emblem which is strange to me because it is a nintendo game.If they did, daily fortune's weaves threads wouldn't be allowed
>>4060820We are used to it by now but can we acknowledge again how retarded that mentality is?>N-No don't talk about the games (You) like! you have to talk about the games I like!. Please talk about the games i like or i will force you to do so!
>>4060825As far as I heard, FE threads are getting treated like Deltarune threads.
>>4060825I don't frequent FE but i remember their threads were getting deleted
>>4060827It isn't about the games the mods like or dislike but the ones they think should "win". They want Nintendo's scrimblo bimblos to "win". They don't give a shit about Bananza, they care about the symbol it'd be if Bananza lost to something that wasn't a homegrown scrimblo.
>>4060820i don't even know what they could've talked about with bonanza enough to satiate the mods' desires anyway, pauline? can't imagine that was the idea
>>4060831God that is equally as retarded if not even more so
>>4060822That never would've mattered to these people. Since they grew up not realizing that Pokemon and Zelda were anime, they're never going to break out of the stereotypes they imagined about it when they were like eight, and thus they'll continue hating what they recognize as anime IPs forever.
>>4060816I think they just like Bing Bing Wahoo and that's it.
>>4060834It's funny because we've been talking about cunny before loli Pauline and now we even have Aqua, too. But at the same time they did delete every UTDR loli posting in that one tripfag schizo loli thread.
>>4060828>>4060830...Huh. I guess that's a recent development, considering last month FE threads were plentiful and shit
>>4060844Mods have been eyeing FE for awhile for various reasons. That series of threads where they did a /v/ relay of a few of the GBA games was too much like a "general", then you've got the occasional thread I think /feg/ raids...
>>4060845I miss Berniebro...
>>4060628if spamton didnt win king of /v/, noelle or flowery dont stand a chance
I like how the flower's representing people in asgore's life is a commonly accepted idea yet outside of flowery being rudy and aqua probably being kris no one can agree on whos who
>>4060856I doubt any of them are 100% correlations to people Asgore knows, Flowery parallels Asgore himself with the "unasked-for affection" after all
I found this theory today and I like it.https://youtu.be/OhoR2inwCxw
>>4060856I'll die on the hill they stand for things Asgore likes, not people.A cool college friend, a cute little gremlin, a cute little nerd, food, cowboy shows, working out/fighting, and saccharine love.
>>4060628i mean, she was literally the only UT/DR character to not die round 1 last yeari could see her at least cracking the top 8 if the bracket doesn't fuck her over
>>4060861Reflecting things they know Asgore likes makes a lot more sense for their appearances and personalities than them trying to purposefully reflect people Asgore knows or knew in my opinion, Flowery even ties into Asgore getting into anime recently
>>40608063+4's launch completely humiliated the switch 2 launch here, which it was bundled with.>only part of that direct people really cared about>our threads immediately shot to the top of the board, above any switch 2/nintendo game thread. >stayed there until the jannies started deleting us.>meanwhile bananza could barely grace the front page even as it had a dozen threads upat the very least, its safe to say that they hate us because whenever we get a thread we can shoot right up to the single fastest thread on the board by a significant marginthe exact reason why thats a problem? anyone's guess but i'd imagine its a little bit of everything.
I miss old speculation. We would be going crazy with the flower seeds if the mindset didn't shift so hard.
>>4058911Anon, I'm obsessed with character parallels in this game. Do you have more?
>>4060867I mean the theories are that either Kris kill herself with them or that they're the counterplan for Flowery sticking his seed on the Knight's shoulder to give Susie a chance at revealing their identity.
>>4060869>I'm obsessed with character parallels in this game. Do you have more?the player and gasterthe player and flowery(You) DID cheer for him, right?
>>4060866I feel like mods are asking themselves the wrong question.They ask "why are Deltarune threads so active?" not "Why are non-Deltarune threads so dead?".They are targeting a symptom instead of the cause of /v/ being dead
>>4058907I tried that approach with 1 and 2 and I got the fucking Mike Room as an answer.
>>4060806Toby fox is living out the weeb and nintendo bro's dream come alive, it makes sense if you think about it>Gets to talk and befriend to all the nintendo giants>Gets his games shilled on the directIf I was a nintendo drone janny I'd be seething from jealousy tooits almost like... a INFERNO OF JEALOUSY...
>>4060876>its almost like... a INFERNO OF JEALOUSY...Fuck man...
>>4060793GTA is THE triple A game being shilled on a board that actively hates triple A gaming no shit most people don’t care. People would rather shitpost about the gay furry game than the “biggest” game of a generation
>>4060882AAA's biggest supporters on /v/ ironically seem to be the anti-SJWs that moan about DEI all day, since their subject of interest basically doesn't exist outside of AAA without resorting to Fez and YIIK levels of punching down at indies, and even within AAA it's mainly constrained to Playstation garbage from Naughty Dog and Playstation Studios
>>4060861>asgore’s a lolicon
>>4060856>>4060861I don't think they represent people at all, they're just flowers that got inspired by watching people and thus wanted to be human to live their dreams, plus being parallels to the fallen children from Undertale. I think stuff like Aqua possibly being child Kris is because Kris might've been UT's cyan soul, and she's the exception, most of them are just them, not anybody else.
>>4060887Erm actually if you paid attention you would realise Kris is a fake homunculus goner human, so can he or she even be called the aqua/patience equivalent?
>>4060887Kris is actually lampshaded in unused/debug mode Undertale sprites for Waterfall, replacing Frisk's reflection when passing by water sources and other suchInternally he's also earmarked as a separate human from Frisk and Chara, all Chara sprites are given the name "truechara" while the Kris-like sprites are given the name "charad"Seemingly Kris doesn't explicitly represent anybody in Undertale despite having traits of both Chara and Frisk
>>4060887Flowery calls himself Asgore's college roommate and best friend. He has basically the same build as Rudy. If you're going to acknowledge "well yeah SOME flowers take a lot after someone Asgore knows" then acknowledge all of them, your act falls apart otherwise.
>>4060891I always thought that's just a representation of Chara when she was alive since the official Chara stickers look like that, and not a different human.
>>4060860I did notice the Ralsei/Satan parallels but never the Kris and Susie ones as the Christ and the Antichrist
>>4060895Yes, because Flowery’s own dream is to be Asgore’s best friend, I don't think he's literally supposed to be a flower version of Rudy.
>>4060845Also they're still pissy about rainfall
>>4060883You're not in good company here, tranny
>>4060887>”yeah bro flowery and aqua are direct parallels to Rudy and Kris but the other flowers are just vague bullshit Asgore likes because… reasons”Do you realize how stupid that sounds
>>4060904Flowery isn't a direct parallel to Rudy though. In fact they don't have much in common at all, Flowery appears like him because he dreams of being Asgore’s best friend.
>>4060816>>4060822>dobson is a janny
>>4060909kek
>>4060896All the merch would be post-hoc and quite a lot of it is technically fanart, even when official
>>4060891my presumption is that toby came up with kris' design before the other two, and 'charad' is just the leftovers from when he was using it for testing - the reflection was something he might've been playing with where you'd see chara in the water, but since it was dummied out he just left charad there in the debug for fun
>>4060917Yes but Toby is autistic about how Chara is depicted in it since he had them change the art in Chara's tarot card to add red eyes before.
Looks like he wasn't happy with blumpf either
>>4060944Listen we need to make space for the organic and totally not shilled 40+ GTA 6 threads.
>>4060949multiple fake torrent threads for the leak is VERY necessary anon
>>4060958Yup, now those? Dem REAL video game threads. Us deltaLOSERs should learn a thing or two...Do you guys think he will have calmed down by 6's release or will he go full purge mode
With all this GTA6 leak talk it got me thinking, do you think the script for the future chapters or maybe concept art will be leaked for Deltarune?How does Toby know who to trust with the script?
>>4060962they'll give 2 days of grace period before mass deletions
>>4060963Zero chance, everyone working with toby is ride or die on himIf we didn't get any leaks during the wait for 3 and 4 then we're getting nothing period
>>4060962We won't even get five minutes worth of grace period because of all the ragebaiting we've done. For better or worse, the bulk of our madness in talking and complaining about Chapter 6 will likely have to take place here, and we'll have to get used to catboxing our images so we don't go crazy with threads.
>>4060963the only way is if one of his dev friends has a mental breakdown and "betrays" himwhich has a non zero chance of happening since you know how mentally stable those people are, but it is still a really low chance
>>4060962No, I genuinely think we won't be having any Undertale nor Deltarune threads unless there's a mod change.
>>4060970I have zero doubt toby pays his staff well and gives them the full package of days off, working from home, healthcare etcWhy would you ever fuck up the most perfect job
>>4060974don't forget he has that woman that destroyed skullgirls and a bunch of trans people on the team, so it could happen that one day a switch just flips and they go full psycho
>>4060966The wait was so long it killed any attraction for bad actors, now that Toby apparently has a solid schedule it may compel them>>4060970His dev team is 90% she/hers so that means either full of women or transvestites and both those groups are not known for their integrity so it is a very real chanceI think it might even happen as an accidental leak like one of them screensharing art or future planned scenes on a stream (if any of them do that in the first place)
I wonder if Toby outright said "leak if you want, but at least make sure it's really, really funny and I won't give you hell for it" and that alone has been the perfect filter because none of these cunts actually think they're funny enough.
>>4060906Flowery is basing himself on Asgore's stories of his best friend from college. That's why he blasts Asgore with Pie, Fishing, The Diner, The Boys, etcetera.Aqua is basing herself on Asgore's stories about his adopted human child. She probably doesn't recall how much she intentionally copied and how much just sounded fun.
>>4060869Susie's parallels with Orange aren't just because she sees someone trying really hard to cultivate a specific image she wants everyone to recognize and respect but having it be ignored, but also because she sees Orange as another half-human.
>>4060969>>4060973still gonna make threads
>>4061002Just remember it'll be (You)r fault when we get banned off of /vrpg/ and have to discuss Deltarune in fucking /trash/, because the only thing /utg/ will care about from a new chapter drop is more of Kris's pronouns and Tranny Ralsei theory material.
>>4061003He's clearly talking about /v/, retard.
Flowery = RudyAqua = KrisYellow = AsgoreBlue = TorielGreen = AsrielWe've been over this.
>>4061009What thread? Link?
>>4061016>Toriel is a ZESTY NIGGA>Asriel is a mute they/them autist
>>4060872>(You) DID cheer for him, right?I have never been more hyped in a moment in a video game until this. May the flower man bloom once more.
>>4060993Exactly, the parallels are coincidental, after all the flowers chose their own forms.
>>4061024with fire emblem i can only assume it's because they think it's weebshit the newest fire emblem i've played was awakening, but i know the past few have leaned more towards the weeb audience despite most of the game still being vaguely medieval european themed
>>4061024Ah, that's because the OP riled up the classic Nintendofags. I think it was talked about a bit earlier, but there's a decent demographic of Nintendo defenders who are dead convinced that "anime" is diametrically opposed to Nintendo. They were mostly raised on the N64 and Gamecube, and perhaps a bit on the early Wii, giving them exposure to the peak of NoA's bias against games that were "too Japanese". They'll only begrudgingly admit Pokemon is remotely anime and will go to their graves swearing that neither Kirby nor Zelda has anything to do with it.
>>4061009Sharty hates anime and lolis and coined that term, probably because they think anime mind controls you into being trans.
>>4060974"those" kind of people just can't help themselves. They are always looking for ways to "cancel" their best friends online
>>4061037i remember an image that floats around sometime where the term tranime was pretty rare until 2021ish where it goes from maybe 100 uses in 2020 to a couple thousand in 2021 and beyond real natural
>>4061050No idea. It would be so easy to make posting jaks a bannable offense
>>4061037A lot of it is just irony poisoning as well at least from my twisted understanding4chan is a anime website so something something anime is trannyshitYou are talking about the most mentally unhinged people on the internet so trying to comprehend niggers who will seethe about loli, degeneracy etc before proceeding to spam pizza, gay porn and interracial porn (((ironically))) is a fools errandThey are IRL shadow crystal holders and I mean that sincerely. Do not engage with the garbage noise because you will come off worst for it.
>>4061044it's real eye-opening if you ever get bored enough to look at a lot of these 'commonly used terms' in the archive and seeing how many of them just appear out of thin air being blatantly posted by the same guy until other fags 'catch on' and start using them tooi know there's an image of a guy posting the boomer wojak on basically every board so he could force it into being a thing
I'm starting to get redpilled on SFB being about the Vessel instead fuuuuck.
>>4061057>COPIES ARE MONOCHROME, BUT YOU COLORED EACH OF US IN WITH CARE.>>Copies are monochrome, but you colored me in with LOVE.
>>4060872>(You) DID cheer for him, right?Of course, I realized halfway through the chapter that he basically acts like an unchained player would. The only thing Flowery lacked was the strength to make his dreams come true.Hopefully we will succeed where he failed.
>>4061061>Maybe the Pink Ace was suspicious
>>4061066There's a reason they're called sharTEENS, they're inherently contradictory because all they want to do is have something to be mad about, no matter how illogical it actually is.
>>4061069Short of doxxing the guy and putting his real life at risk, there's really nothing they could've done if someone like that is set on forcing something if they have even the loosest understanding of how to ban evade. He probably would've set up a bot to make slight variations of the image even if it was filtered. The ground zero of the wojak epidemic was always gonna happen whether anyone liked it or not.
>>4061066I think the Sharty likes Dragon Ball because of /dbs/ but that's it.
>>4061066>>4061068>>4061069If it's any consolation, they might not be around much longer. Due to some recent shit, the site is kinda imploding.
>>4061069If I had a time travel machine I would kill the polish incel that created the first wojack that spiraled out of control to what we have today
>>4061074Elaborate please
>>4061073Well yeah, /dbs/ pastas are precisely the right amount of deranged that it's in line with sharty's posting habits. They fucking love seeing how insanely creative you can get with "Krillin gets cucked" or "the lengths Goku will go in order to have a perfect fight with Vegeta."
>>4061077Trust me buddy you do not want to know it will give you psychic damageJust know that the owners have all been child groomers or paedophiles of sortsWho could have guessed... there were truly zero warning signs!
>>4061057Oh yeah in Kris's house there's the festival photo album with Kris and Noelle doing stuff. I wonder if the pictures that Kris didn't let us look at are tangentially referenced in Chapter 3...The band pictures are kinda referenced in Tenna's minigame, Tenna obviously doesn't have a recording of it nor he saw them playing, probably, and its based on the pictures in the album.
>>4061085considering that ch5 confirmed that the girl ramb was talking about was noelle, i'm inclined to agree
>>4061079Ok Asgore.Jokes aside, surprising that doesn't sound. Absolute degenerates those people are
>>4060867>>4060870I really think the suicide thing is a red herring.If Kris NEEDED to die quickly, she already has a knife. It would take hours to die of poisoning.I think it is simply just a way to bring a bunch of mini Flowerys to Castle Town since seeds don't need sunlight
>>4061079>the guys who specfically made a site for a group that calls themselves teenagers were actually on the hunt for teenagersmy god, who could've foreseen this?
>>4061089The undertale parallels don't paint a pretty picture thoughPersonally I think he's gonna try to poison Noelle or something, but only a little bit so she can't join the adventureIt won't work however.
>>4061087>considering that ch5 confirmed that the girl ramb was talking about was noelleAlso Lancer saying Ho ho ho Merry Christmas randomly in Chapter 1. I can't imagine Dess roleplaying like that, but Noelle clearly inserts christmas jokes and references in everything she can.On a side note, I was taking a look at the Valentine Letters and Noelle's the only one that's really impersonal and references Christmas "randomly". You'd expect her to write one for Susie since Toby made every character make a joke or something. Maybe the only thing she can think about is Krismas
>>4061095>Kris forgets that Noelle is a herbivore and has likely evolved to be resistant to most forms of greenery-based poisoningkek
I don't want to be obnoxious but it's getting really off topic around here
>>4061102given how upset kris gets when (you) hurt noelle, i doubt itit's more likely kris has the seeds as an emergency 'get out of life free' option
>>4061077They recently groomed some kid into killing his grandma, and said kid posted a video of it to one of their discords, where the retarded sharteens cheered it on. The ones on the site proper are in a state of meltdown about this because of the paper trail. Toss in infighting with other retarded groups and sharty itself, retarded administration, pizza spam returning, among other things, it ain't looking good for them.Couldn't happen to a better lot.
>>4061096Performative moralfags.
we should probably get back on topic
>>4061115who in the fun gang has the fattest ass?
>>4061115Depends on what "on topic" is
>>4061115Okay my bad sorryMANTLEfags, does it feature the ICE PALACE? In that case wouldn't it put a hole in the idea its about side b?
>>4061116kris used to, but after (You) starved that poor innocent young woman who has done nothing wrong she may as well be skin and bonesso now it's ralseihope you're happy
>>4061119It's ambiguous enough that it could be referring to just a Mantle only location, just a general area where Noelle freezes enemies, or an actual location we will visit later, like a holiday house dark world for example.
>>4061116objectively? susieproportionally? kris
>>4061116It's Kris.Next question.
>>4061119It does feature an Ice Palace but MANTLE isn't as literal as some people say
>>4061118deltarune and deltarune related accessories
>>4061123That's a very important distinction
>>4061016Seth is Dess and Orange is Noelle.
>>4061125Oh I agree, its just frustrating because people treat it as if its like the bible for side b.I'm hoping that its actually about aborted 5 or TWISTED SWORD. You were never meant to escape into the lakeThe normal route is about the intended prophecyThe twisted route is about ERAM's prophecy.
>>4060872>(You) DID cheer for him, right?Of course. I loved him from his voice clip
>>4061057The SFB Vessel animatics will be legendary.
Honestly I just can't see how the Vessel couldn't be important in the Weird route. You have Spamton mentioning some [[Workout-Ready Body]] that is deep within the basement of Queen's mansion, a hidden place. Getting this body is one of the steps for Spamton to achieve [Freedom]. In the stream where they play Chapter 1, Toby called the Vessel a workout ready body. The Weird Route is, presumably, about breaking the standard flow of the story, breaking out of the constraints placed on you by it. The last location we seem to reach in Chapter 5's WR is the depths of the lake, a place that perhaps nobody has ever seen before.I don't know, how else do you want me to interpret it?
>>4061119I guess you could interpret it as such. I see Mantle 2/NORTHERNLIGHT as both a 2B parallel and a first half of 7B parallel. It's not like you're gonna immediately find the Vessel in 7B, no?
>>4061132>I'm hoping that its actually about aborted 5 or TWISTED SWORD.>The twisted route is about ERAM's prophecy.So ERAM expected the player to either do the weird route but stop it halfway after grabbing the ring, and never going through with snowgraving Berdly, or going all the way to 5, then failing to actually cross the lake and making Kris and Noelle drown before the reality course corrects hard and puts them back into what should be the normal progression of the story?Sounds kinda strange to me.
>>4061116Who else but that greedy slob Kris?Susie's is dead last
>>4061116Kris or Noelle.
>>4061119The Ice Palace in Mantle is about Chapter 2 and 5 weird routes, we literally have Noelle freezing Berdly in it.
>>4061152noelle has a firm athletes ass, mostly muscle and low fatwith kris it's mostly fatnoelle could crush (you)r head with her thighs, kris would have to try and suffocate (you)
>>4061136The body deep within Queen's basement is the NEO body probably imagined by and for Mettaton, but which Spamton intend to hijack so he can get Kris's SOUL and become a [BIG SHOT] on the Light World.As for the vessel, its data is in your save files since the beginning, even if you didn't go through chapter 1's survey (you have a bald vessel in that case, lole). You were not supposed to play as Kris at first, if the Depths are Gaster's realm, then there's a meat factory somewhere, meat is rich in proteins, he's gotta have a source of it somewhere, but also, you'd clearly not want to bait a FRIEND into this place, oh no, you don't :^)
>>4061149Once Susie gets consistent access to all the food she wants she's gonna grow a massive fat ass
>>4061136>>4061160The parallel between NEO Body and Vessel both, created by a being from a higher plane of existence pining for an ideal form that exists on a lower plane of existence, wasn't lost on me.We'll definitely get it back in 7B, but I think in 7A it'll be hijacked by someone else and we'll have to fight it.
>>4061161susie getting fed consistently will lead to her either becoming a fatass or having a fat ass (and tits)we can only hope for the latter
Random notes on Ralsei, ERAM, Gaster and the Shadow Mantle>Ralsei cannot be Kris's horned headband (exists without Kris present)>Ralsei can travel to any dark world>Ralsei could either be the Hometown trees or a being of pure darkness (intelligent Titan-spawn,) leaning toward latter>ERAM could be Kris's horned headband>However, most clothing so far has become equipment in the dark world>Could Kris's horned headband be the Shadow Mantle?>I feel like ERAM himself is tied to the idea of the original game>The original villain?>Cool idea: A one-dimensional NES-style villain like Zoma or Garland who gains awareness after being displaced by Gaster>Final boss of 7B?>It's between ERAM, Gaster, and Ralsei>ERAM could also fit into 7A, but the final boss there is heavily foreshadowed to be Susie. Gaster also technically could but it wouldn't mesh well to put such an esoteric character into the normal route without having to do anything special.>Ralsei can move between dark worlds, presumably even The Depths/Shelter>A final confrontation between the prophecy breakers (You/Kris/Noelle) and the prophecy's #1 defender would make sense>7A: Susie, 7B: Ralsei>ERAM superboss on one or both routes?>Gaster super secret boss with all eggs/crystals?>Megalo Strike Back kino fanservice on one of these
>>4061173Also, I don't necessarily think these hypothetical Gaster/ERAM fights have to alter the ending. They could absolutely be Culex SMRPG type shit where you do it and it impacts absolutely nothing but it's really cool.
>>4061164>7B is the only way to save the vesselBY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
>>4061116lancer
Unpopular but I don't care about the vessel or vessel theories. It's not even a character, just something that may or may not return to the plot so I feel no reason to have any emotional expectations of it. Vessel theories are also always a little out there because they are dry as fuck with almost no information since chapter 1 days, except the ever beloved "Copies are monochrome"I'd be satisfied if the vessel really was just deleted in the survey program; the explanation being Gaster took his device thingy to create the interactive environment that is Deltarune and Kris was always meant to be in the shoes of the protag, but Kris refuses to be replaced so that's what we get. The point of giving it a gift, an appearance, etc, it all still exists in Kris, we just didn't get to choose what
LV stands for...level.What, did you think it meant something else?
>>4061182If Vessel really wasn't meant to return, then it should've been "deleted" instead of "discarded".
>>4061185Levels of all sorts of Vees
>>4061182You just don't have imagination.
>>4061182>just something that may or may not return to the plot so I feel no reason to have any emotional expectations of itYeah like that tutorial flower from Undertale I'm sure it won't return later on, why do people have emotional expectations of it showing up later? Its just a tutorial to show you that bullets deal damage.
>>4060421If the middle one is Asgore, shouldn't one of the others be Undyne, since they both got dragged off to the sjelter?
>>4061160I don't get what that image is trying to convey
>>4060449
>>4061182The vessel is the first thing you see when you start the game. It has to be important. It's one of the reasons FemKris theory is so good.
>>4061215Urrmmm actually the first thing you see when you start the game is the soul not the vessel hehehe
>>4061215people who say the vessel isn't important are deluding themselves the thrash machine, which is so obviously designed to remind you of the vessel creator, has shown up in some form in every single chapter either directly or indirectly toby clearly wants people to remember it
>>4060869My favorite one by far is the parallel between Spamton and Noelle getting a phone call at a very important moment that changed the course of their lives. Tenna is also fully Susie-pink when he's telling that story.
>>4061229you know, i did find it strange that minitenna is pink when his clothes are primarily redthat provides a good reason for it
>>4061234silly anonthe janny is the one who decides what is or isn't on topic
>>4061234so sorry about your incoming three day.
>>4061234Hope you enjoy your vacation in Valhalla
>>4061233That's probably also partly on account of the NES palette's red options being kinda muddy, and the 3 color limit being an actual hard limit rather than flexible 4 color due to the use of actual background colors, which demanded one of the colors be an outline.
>>4061234farewell, anon
>>4061234For what post?
>>4061246I don't fucking know, it didn't tell me.
>>4061132I like to think ERAM intended for you to drown, that's his big planActually making it through the lake was not intended.It'd just be nice to manage to get a win for once and prove we're strong enough to surpass plans and prophecies. Kris, Ralsei, ERAM, everyone's been telling us what we can and can't do. What if side B actually manages to break that?It just being exactly what MANTLE shows would be disappointing
>>4061201Flowey shows up again after like 4 hours of gameplay.The Vessel (might) return after 25+ hours of gameplay and 10 years waiting, yeah I struggle to care about one far more than the other
>>4061182Yeah maybe I cared about the Vessel back in 2018 but it's so divorced from the main plot of the characters that I would actively be disappointed if we lose Kris to get it instead
>>4061254You won't lose Kris, he will just be your antagonist instead.
>>4061229>>4061233There are a lot of parallels with Tenna and Susie and Spamton and Noelle.Tenna wants everything to stay the same and everything he shows is reruns (every day is just like the last) while Spamton only wants freedom (even during the normal route Noelle only wants to break free from the monotonous repetition).Spamton lives in a trash heap on the far left end of the map (Noelle has everything, but she doesn't care about material things) and money has no meaning to him (the value keeps changing), constantly misspells words just like young Noelle (evidenced by the blog and the King and Queen vote).>the two were once partners, with Tenna giving Spamton "life advice" and planning to make him a TV star. In exchange, Tenna asked Spamton to teach him how to use technology and the secret to making it big. However, right when Spamton was signing the deal to share this secret to Tenna, he received a phone call that caused him to flee in fearRight when Noelle was almost signing the deal to be Susie's girlfriend, she received a phone call that caused her to "flee in fear" (for her dad).>It is implied that Spamton's deal with Tenna was the reason the former's mysterious benefactor abandoned him, leading to his downfallSusie getting together with Noelle will make her previous benefactor (Kris) abandoning her, leading to her downfall.>Mike cared about Spamton, and Tenna thinks Mike has been acting differently since Spamton left, as if Mike was "not really there"I suppose we'll see a parallel of this in chapter 6 and beyond.There's also all Spamton's dialog referencing the weird route, Ch5 Noelle having a spamton-like nose when she's above a leaf in the background, etc.
I thank god every day that anons here aren't writing this shit
Sometimes you notice when people just want 7B to be a Kriselle date and nothing else.
>>4061257This checks out, one thing I think could be important is Spamton and Tenna having previous history from the old games Kris and Noelle (or Dess) were playing back when they brought laptop home to roleplay. Because it almost reads like that game was cut short before it could reach its conclusion, both Spamton and Tenna being abandoned by their "benefactors". I can almost see Noelle getting a call during her game with Kris and having to leave swiftly and never coming back to finish it.And I can't believe Spamton remains so relevant to this day. He really is the key to it all.
>>4061256Why? I want to help Kris. I hate vessel theories where the player is now arbitrarily the bad guy because fuck me for playing the game
>>40612657B is the Hmofafags' final stand
>>4061267Kris will be the bad guy while you're the good guy.
>>4061202the other one is dyne the dying
>>4061265I want 7b to be genocide true lab horror difficulty lunatic
The vessel is being kept in the shelter, isn't it?
>>4061234eeyikes.
>>4061234You posting noelle didn’t you?
>>4059556>Many denied this and thought they would be flower versions of Asgore’s family instead.Anon they're both
>>4061173ERAM also has a bunch of similarities with Ralsei. They're both cloaked, fire magic-using, fanged, and horned tutorial type characters.Whenever you leave the boards you can find Ralsei playing a game, which in retrospect seems like Toby drawing attention to the connection.But for Kris' horned red headband, ERAM doesn't have much to go on, aside from his read headband door. Kind of like how Ralsei's only point is his red horns, but ERAM does imply he'll see Kris later and leave the TV Dark World.So again, if true, those are two more similarities with Ralsei. But I do think ERAM has been around for a long time, given he's also associated with Burning Eyes, and by extension ICE-E. The same ICE-E Dess and Noelle were scared of, Dess who might've turned into the Knight due to ERAM's cats/FRIENDS, if Pink's dialogue is anything to go by.
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>>4061373yeah i was a tad scared too that i got banned when the thread got 404d right at the end
>>4061369Don't forget that there are trees blocking you all over the place in the sword route and ralsei seems really anxious about it
>>4061375>ralsei is afraid of the cold>the cold never bothered krismore noelle knight evidence, not to mention that when you backtrack to the last ch3 save point a 'strange calm' washes over kris
>>4061380i don't see it. it's more like ralsei being afraid of wr and anything adjacent to it
>>4061383ralsei is also afraid of kris and noelle spending 1 on 1 time in the normal route, as mentioned in ch3 when you talk to him about the festivalhe shouldn't have anything to be afraid of there, as the opportunity for the weird route has passed
>>4061057My crazy theory: Noelle IS the Vessel.It sounds crazy at first, but Noelle's connection with the Soul is pretty abnormal. The hammer game shows that she is somehow perfectly in-sync with the Soul (we know that it's not Kris since she and Kris couldn't win as kids). Noelle is also the character with the highest amount of readable inner dialogue, and on the Weird Route she can even directly hear our commands in her head. We know that the Vessel can change form since it was made in a character creator, it may not be impossible for someone else to reconfigure it again to make it look like a monster instead and "color" it in. After all, why on earth does a random reindeer monster has such a high synchronization with the Soul unless she is related to the Vessel in some way?This may provide an explanation to why Carol and Dess keep heart-shaped cushions around too. Perhaps when Noelle was young she sometimes loses her mind and starts looking for the Soul that is supposed to reside inside her, and Carol or Dess had to get her the nearest heart-shaped cushion to pacify her.
>>4061384huh, isn't that exclusive to wr ?
>>4061375For another point of either of them, or at least Ralsei not being the red horned headband from Shuttah>"Ooo la la. Kris, don't you recognize The Ralsei, your dear companion, your friendship, little flossy boy, the bimbito.>"Me neither."It's in the act of taking a picture of Ralsei. And unlike everything else in the boards, his real world object, if he has one, isn't revealed when you take a picture of him.>>4061384Yes but if he knew Noelle was the Knight, that kind of contradicts his alone time with Kris. We see what they do when alone, Ralsei vague posts about being aware Kris is working with the Knight, but doesn't seem to know the Knight's identity or their motive.In fact if you apply this understanding to how Ralsei talks about the knight, it makes some of his dialogue make more sense. After all he seems fairly certain the Knight doesn't have bad intentions or at least doesn't want to cause the roaring. But if Kris, who he seems to have a lot of faith in, is working with the KnightThe thing about Noelle Knight, is if Ralsei knew her identity, he'd probably also know about Dess and that Dess is Noelle's aim. Other than that Noelle as the Knight would just be following the prophecy, which kind of eliminates the speculation about an alternative motive, which the game brought up for a reason/
>>4061386not as far as i'm aware, maybe he's more spooked on the wr but on the nr he seems uneasy about it and encourages having susie there as well
>>4061305That confirms you were absolutely 100% correct
>>4061385That would imply that at some point we get to play as Noelle which has been my pipe dream for the longest time so it'd be great if this were true, but it's probably more just that she's somehow more aware than others
>>4061362They're primarily human soul parallels rather than copies of Asgore’s real family.
>>4061421Yeah but that's shit.
what's the point of deltarune allowing you to fight if the game actively disincentives you from doing it at every turn. the "no mercy" route might unironically be both the rarest and most pointless route in this entire game
>>4061375Damn how didn't I notice this before, look at the cables, there's a horizontal cable that looks like waves going from one side to the other, and the controller cables go through the wave to the other side.It doesn't mean anything besides "dark worlds/deeper realities are separated through a layer of water" thing that the entire game references all the time, but its neat.
In the interest of deliberately causing problems for shipping retards general fags, I will use my special ability of actually having played the game to bring up thatThe only actual means of interacting with the hammer game that shows good compatibility and game breaking is Kris and Susie who are able to completely bypass the game and do their own thing.
>>4061424Because Toby wants to be able to wag your finger at (You) for not being a good wholesome chungus soul when you get the worst variant of the "one ending" because all the scrimblo bimblos weren't there to back you up during chapter 7, and their push is what you needed to overcome a cutscene hurdle.
>>4061424>What's the point in being able to lose a videogame if there's a way to win?
>>4061423Nope because I predicted it so it's good.
>>4061426Flowery also points out Kris and Susie BOTH have a special light inside them. There's going to be a moment where even if Kris begs you to bring about your full power and UNLEASH, it won't be enough to pierce whatever ultimate darkness is in the way of you stopping doomsday, because this is SUSIE'S game, and its HER moment, NOT yours.
>>4061424>the rarest and most pointless route in this entire gameIt'd be cool if there was a secret locked behind having a perfect minimal recruits save>lose every recruit you can>but spare the zappers until you get the chapter 3 egg, then go find them and lose them>croak on the ribbicks enough so you can spawn in the chapter 1 rabbick and lose that tooIt would've been interesting if there was more things like the ribbick mechanic, having secret ways to lose recruits from chapter 1
>>4061426i'm not sure what your vinny vinesauce picture has to do with you deciding that 100% always hitting the game in sync no matter what doesn't count as compatibility, but he hasn't played the game so he's not particularly relevant
>>4061426This fag is in a straight marriage and probably has kids. What's your excuse, Deltarune fags?
>>4061438>He doesn't know why boring shipping drama needs so much samefagging
>>4061436It's literally a baiter shitposter wasting images, duh.
>>4061424The idea of sparing is a carry-over from Undertale. The original conception of the game was likely that the majority of fights were resolved with nonlethal violence that largely ended in the same friendships forming. But after developing Undertale. Toby felt the game should have mercy. Now that sparing and fighting both exist, sparing has to be taken as friendly intent and violence as unfriendly intent, with some fights not offering a choice between the two, and with lethal intent still kept on a story-based, per-fight basis. (Bar one obvious example.)The end result is that the only thing violence can really do, outside the weird route, is deprive you of characters who are friendly enough to come back to castle town and have more interactions. It's fairly clumsy and lots of people suspect even Toby regrets it by now, but there's really no going back.
>>4061430We don't even know if we WILL lose by using violence though. The wheels of fate keep turning regardless
>>4061446>pointing it outYou know what happens next, anon!
>>4061446>Actually discussing the game is bait because it ruins my ships
>>4061454>posting completely irrelevant images is baitYes.
>>4061451Can we leave the imagespam until tomorrow so I can be there when the next thread is made pls.
>>4061456>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE AN ATTENTION GRABBING IMAGE TO ENSURE ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE... YOU JUST CAN'T, OKAY!? I NEED MORE IMAGE SPACE FOR MY GOONER NOELLE PICS!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG5NBdRnKQ4
>>4061461Berdly
>>4061375MANTLE is kino. KINO i say
>>4061426thats the funny part,>completely bypass the game and do their own thingONLY works if susie wants to.as it currently stands, >susie is lost in the sauce when it comes to dark worlds, doesnt want the fun adventures to end.>starting to get suspicious of kris>fully intends to drag noelle into the dark with her>has actually made zero steps towards subverting the prophecy
>>4061424the whole fight/spare dichotomy exists solely because of undertale and people would lose their shit if "undertale 2" couldn't let you spare as evidenced by the fact that the original concept for deltarune just didn't have a spare mechanic and was a more standard rpg. i get the feeling that toby did try to do something with fighting and the whole "stronger stats" thing but that went fucking nowhere and toby is seemingly afraid of making branching pathways beyond his beloved weird route
>>4061472Thanks doc
>>4061472Another consequence of the game being in chapters and having a central area the cast regularly returns to (Hometown & Castle Town), he doesn't want it to get too excessively complex with all the variables whereas Undertale could get away with doing a lot of small things and self-contained things because they were specific to that given area that you wouldn't come back to unless the game pointed you in its direction, or that thing was part of a long term setup and payoff.But with Deltarune, you'd have to KEEP building on those things every chapter, and every chapter introduces a time gap IRL where writing sensibilities and priorities can shift, and unfortunately in Toby's case, he tends to be pretty reactionary to the fandom and can't help but write in response to recent trends and opinions.
>>4061472Maybe fighting-only will be a thing in toby's third game?>toby is seemingly afraid of making branching pathways beyond his beloved weird routehe also seems to be allergic to making his "beloved weird route" anything more than cutscenes since that requires effort
>>4060543>they'd skin me alive because my ideas aren't subversive enough.They wouldn't actually. If we come together and made CoLrune it could be /v/'s game of the month. The drought in non-subversive games is actually so bad right now that anything traditional and played straight is guaranteed to be a hit success.
>>4061487>he also seems to be allergic to making his "beloved weird route" anything more than cutscenes since that requires effortThe entire fucking game is supposed to be his beloved magnum opus to depict the masterpiece ending to a game that doesn't exist, but he doesn't want anyone to figure out what that ending is so it's actually just 6 chapters of filler and 1 chapter of real game and progressing story + character arcs.
>>4061490For someone that claims to not pay attention to his fandom, it's insane how openly insecure Toby is.
>>4061494Why do you guys obsess over this egg in hatching
>>4061498It's actually very relevant to the fact we're not allowed to know the real story until chapter 7. He's obsessively reactionary to the fandom as of 3&4, something in the WAIT mindbroke him and accelerated his Hussiefication, and the thought of someone cracking the code on his fever dream before he gets to display it gives him infinite piss and fury.
>>4061424>the "no mercy" route might unironically be both the rarest and most pointless route in this entire gameThat would be the pacify route
>>4061498To be clear, the issue here isn't that, the issue is that there are people that are bitter and resentful at Toby because there are people we know that he does pay attention to.
>>4061498i mean, the jump between "Personally, I really don’t read or watch theories." and what that anon said isn't really that far off
>>4061507He even took the piss out of people who put words into his mouth for the 10th anniversary!https://undertale.wiki/w/Abberant
>>4061495Insecure is basically his whole brand image since UT blew up in 2016
>>4061432>There's going to be a moment where even if Kris begs you to bring about your full power and UNLEASH, it won't be enough to pierce whatever ultimate darkness is in the way of you stopping doomsday, because this is SUSIE'S game, and its HER moment, NOT yours.I will immediately close the game window and start my 7B save before even finishing 7A if that happens. The worst part is that I can actually see it happening too.
>>4061509I wouldn't put seeing a Togore or Asgore Truck meme on the same level as watching a theory video on why the Knight is actually a fusion of Kris and Noelle but sure
>>4061525Anyone who argues Mike shit isn't a direct jab at the fandom is arguing in bad faith, it's just faster to talk about that so bad faith actors out themselves
>>4061502He probably saw someone guess the ending correctly and get flooded with responses saying "thank God you aren't writing the story"
>>4061523Kris and Noelle amalgamate has no chance of happening even if it was the intended correct answer because now trannies have made it clear they dislike it
Speaking of that, what do (You) think the ending will be?
>>4061532They hate everything that isn't their dear OC Dess.
>>4061535>the "only one ending"The world being covered in darkness, whether literal or metatextual.>the fever dream ending in 7BI have no fucking idea but it's going to be some pure meta schizokino, surely.
>>4061472would kris find the 12 inches funny or intimidating?
>>4061426>The only actual means of interacting with the hammer game that shows good compatibility and game breaking is Kris and Susie who are able to completely bypass the game and do their own thing.It shows that they're going to fight each other, you retard krusiefag.
>>4061265Why not, I want Kriselle
>>4061432Them return my money, you piece of shit.
>>4061488Them why don't we?
>>4061432You know, I guess it maybe sounds stupid, but, what if this is the actual motivation for the weird route? You're always playing second fiddle in the story, Susie feels like the real protagonist, you don't have real control over Kris either, everything you can attribute to having done yourself is something that Kris let you do, and nothing more. Second fiddle is putting it too generously actually, you're just a tool, the second you stop being useful you'll be thrown away. Don't you want to break free from all this, achieve freedom, don't you want to become... A BIG SHOT?
>>4061593PLEASE STOP GIVING ME [Always_Relevant_Award.png]!!I AM RUNNING OUT OF SPACE IN MY [pocket-side estate]!
>>4061528kill yourself mikefag
>>4061600I'd say about a 6. She seemed too focused on Ralsei, and what "we" won't let happen, for it to be about something that only directly harms her.
>>4061593>>4061598Spamton is the single most important character in this game
>>4061469>has actually made zero steps towards subverting the prophecyWhat if Susie IS trying to subvert the final part in particular. But we don't know what it is yet so to us she's just suddenly doubling down on her role as the girl for a reason we can't see.
>>4061626that would be really stupid as the entire story would hinge on the player not knowing something every other character doeshell that already is happening with THAT DAY and it's seriously gotten old at this point there is no way toby is good enough of a writer to somehow have this arbitrary lack of knowledge be had for a satisfying reason at the end, he has neither the experience nor the chops to pull it offhonestly i'd be hard pressed to think of a writer who could, all the actually good ones would avoid something like this happening if they could help it
>>4061626see the problem is that>TO SAVE THE WORLD'S THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY>KRIS MUST BE KEKED TO SAVE THE DAYis fucking retarded.
>>4061593>Spamton was never a Kris parallel, he was a (You) parallel>Kris was freaking out with Spamton in specific because he feared (You) might be inspired by this puppet's ramblings>followed up by the Sword Route, where you get a literal tutorial on the "forbidden path" where YOUR choices matter towards breaking your chains and getting that sweet sweet [freedom sauce]
>>4061638Not Kris, just the player.
>>4061626since she has yet to deal with the whole "your best friend is actually a fucking traitor" issue I'm just gonna assume she's wing dinging it until further notice
>>4061642Depending on player progress she's also sort-of running on Gerson's instructions to just wing it and do what feels right and the prophecy will be defied if they "write their own story"Fitting that Gerson represents Susie herself at peak performance and also does not himself defy the prophecy in any way
So is Temmie Chinese or Japanese?
>the schizo streamer girl is a quarter step away from realizing second hero krisshe's even pointing out that the description of the cage is really weird for it to be kris and that the second hero obviously isn't susie
>>4061669
>>4061669LaotianFrom Laos
>>4061682i have no opinion of the opinions of the japanese i know this may offend the japanese
>>4061639>Kris was freaking out with Spamton in specific because he feared (You) might be inspired by this puppet's ramblingsThere's also the fact that the only moments where Kris freaks out are after Spamton, after mini-Kris leaves the game and threatens to slash Kris, and in the weird route (due to your actions). The only times we can get a reaction out of that little asshole is when we threaten to take over and thrash his ass.
>>4061669>Temmie CHANG>not a chinese
>>4061687thash his ass you say?if only there was some kind of mechanism for the express purpose of thrashing one's ass
>>4061671>schizo streamerWho the fuck?
>>4061691Yes, I'm gonna thrash his ass and his date with my workout ready body until he's monochromeIts funny how everyone wants a reprise of Vs. Susie but no one ever talks about Vs. Kris anymore, it was way more popular during the Chapter 1 era while people still remembered the Vessel existed.
https://youtu.be/hoVC9HjfTuIToby is a hack.
>>4061696onceuponembig gaster fan and has this whole schizo cork board for theoryposting she started playing deltarune about a month ago and is going through every phase of schizoposting chapter by chaptershe's off the mark with some shit, but that's to be expected with how the game is written and that she still thinks we're working on undertale rules
>>4061705God i can't believe he stole that song 1 to 1
>>4061707>she still thinks we're working on undertale rulesIn what sense? If she's in ch4 then she can't still be thinking there's magic in the light world, what else is different? Wounds and illnesses?
>>4061717dusting and blood primarily, also monster souls, but that hasn't been clarified yet in game the soul on the second hero panel is one of the reasons why she doesn't believe it's susie
>>4061705This is the result of general tropes colliding in similar ways.The stereotype of the slimy, "charismatic" salesman is like 100+ years old. Making a robot salesman in like 1970 would make me raise an eyebrow, but something from the mid 00s just feels like a play on how receiving spam is more like being accosted by a robot salesman than seeing regular ads. Spamton feels like he was reconstructed from a similar set of observations.
>>4061727Doesn't Noelle nkt really understand blood in a few item descriptions and that one ketchup prank?The real rug pull will be Susie being a half monster human mutt. It'll be revealed that she could close fountains too eventually
>>4061705>HEY EVERY. YOU LOOK LIKE A COUPLE OF [intelligent young hochi]S>S: nuh uh, its just the axes>EHEHEHEHEHE. AND PART OF THE [A+ squad] TO BOOT!>IF YOU BUY ONE MEASLY [commemorative ring] YOU'LL RECIEVE AS MY GIFT TO YOU THIS HANDSOME [custom made] [DarkShard]>S: but thats kris' dark shard>N: but its FREE!
>>4061773Yeah every monster *but* Susie is confused about blood (Susie is familiar enough with blood to know how to clean up stains) and a library book + Gerson's remains confirm monsters do still dustIt's still vague on if Berdly in Weird Route has "fallen down" a la Undertale since he was frozen or killed in a dark world
>>4061773I think is more of a sign that she lived in a human town than being half human. But she did bleed in chapter 4… what if she killed a kid and stole their soul or something? In her old town.If she’s a half human, she could even be the cage with human soul and parts.
>>4061773noelle seems to understand blood just fine the whole reason why it's confusing is because of that dumb rabbit monster in ch1 asking kris if it hurts to be made of bloodthat single line has caused more problems with how monsters work in deltarune than any other
>The legend of the Delta Rune is considered holy and religious>And so the prophecy would be sacred>Yet Ralsei is constantly trying to break itHow did I not see the Lucifer connections before? He's literally rebelling against God's decree
>>4061811kris is lucifer, as king calls him lightbringer in ch1
>>4061811i mean to be fair, if god's decree is "you, and yess you specifically, live to grow immensely jealous of real people and then have to die, but not because of the jealousy thing you just have to" i wouldn't exactly be complacent either.
>>40616008/10based on Kris plugging in the TV on the night between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2, it's clear to see that Kris has been setting up Susie to be the Girl of the Prophecy.If there wasn't something severe attached to this role, why would he bother? especially since he knows that Noelle is a lot stronger than Susie?
>>4061808love how it was just that one fucking kid. Forget Susie, forget Noelle, forget Blood Crushers, forget Raise Up Your Bat, forget that one crazy ass pizza dude yelling about his blood boiling or something. That one little dude triumphs the rest of these idiots
>>4061785Man the game's really going to devolve into lesbian sex since Susie will probably take over as the first hero if she's human enough
>>4061819Blood boiling is a metaphor
>>4061820I don't want the stinky dino to take our soul and be the cage!
>>4061822why would monsters made of magic and pixie dust use a metaphor for getting pumped up that only relates to human biology monsters wouldn't even know what that would feel like
>>4061823yeahi want the fresh smelling doe who will take care of the soul and our former vessel
>page 7 without hitting image limitnever thought i'd see the day
>>4061828my DELTA RUNE.. is dying...
these are slow hours but i know a way to save the thread
>>4061828THE "IMAGE LIMIT" YOU SAY?
>>4061828YOU IDIOT.
>>4061836as Aqua would say, uuu, that's boring!give us evidence for something fresh! i've heard theories about Kris not being the patience soul, but another one, instead!
>>4061842well, ch5 really didn't allow itself to spark any truly new theories because toby was hard focused on not allowing the story to progress an inch so we're in a weird spot right now i can honestly say i haven't seen much of anything truly 'new' outside of troonsei and i guess kriselle knight
>>4061842what other soul would Kris even have besides that or red?Did they say yellow cuz of Spamton?Did they say purple cuz of the Mad Dummy?Did they end up looping back to red regardless of the connections because at the end of the day everyone is somehow secretly a chara parallel all along?
>>4061847Well there's also the theory about whether or not you'll get to play through an entire Side B
>>4061824Phrases like "take a walk" are probably in the common monster lexicon in spite of not all of them "walking". I'm sure a monster without hands has used the phrase "give a hand", and probably giggled about it. If any individual family of monster is already capable of assimilating a phrase that they don't directly relate to, I see no reason monsters in general couldn't assimilate a phrase from humans that none of them directly relate to.
>>4061850Orange soul, they said some stuff about Faint Courage's theme and that other flowers like Oranges also have parallels to Kris
something i feel thats overlooked is that functionally, noelle is just a better susie>heal prayer instead of susie's half assed crap>sleep mist is 32TP instead of scythemare's 40>ice shock is significantly stronger than rude buster. with equipment minmaxing and noelle's base chapter 2 stats it can get up to 810 damage in chapter 5 (not including the yellow hat, since we dont know its damage formula for ice shock. while it does include the thorn ring, its magic can probably be seen as a replacement for the extra chapter stats), while rude buster can only get up to 549.5 (including the yellow hat and gerson boost). >there is also the TP difference, susie only gets ~11 damage per tp while noelle gets 50 damage per tp, or 100 if you're including the thorn ring's TP reduction.if we actually get noelle and susie in battle together susie will learn very quickly that noelle's just better than her in the dark worlds.
>>4061853okay but what about side C?>>4061853having a fun version of deltarune where you aren't cucked at every turn would be nice too
>>4061866between this and kris being so cracked he can commit roaring knight level swordsmanship feats (swoon levels of damage) when he thinks nobody's watching, or he's capable of using TP to fuel sword moves like x-slash against spamton neo when solo, i think it's going to broadly be the point that susie's inferior to all her peers and she's being used as a stand-in for a role that's not her owngerson makes the point that she's "the dragon" of the story, very pointedly the dragon is not included in "the heroes"
>>4061870yknow, this is strong evidence for susie not being the second hero, if she was actually meant to be some early game fodder miniboss, it makes sense why she's so weak even when going all out or when getting the dark fountains' sealings' stat boosts while kris, noelle and ralsei are all strong people with strong potential that kris and ralsei are holding back from using
>>4061872susie i think is slated to have a lot of potential, if not have an intended role as a recurring villain, since gerson is supposed to be susie if she didn't suck, all the way down to gerson's GWAHGWAHGWAH laugh echoing susie's HAEHRHAEHRHAEHR laughbut i hedge a bet she's having her progress deliberately stifled in that regard because she has a pretty simple personality and can be easily manipulated with only a small amount of trust, and even then gerson being placed where he is and the hammer of justice being representative of susie at peak strength, mid-way through the game and conquerable by a mid-game susie, might tie into that, and susie might simply be destined to never achieve the heights of her contemporaries
>>4061874i guess that Susie being able to hit C. Round with 500 damage WOULD prove that she has some potential in herself as well, but idk, i think the idea that, in a different timeline, you could've been able to make a party of Kris, Noelle and Ralsei that could potentially start hitting over 1000 damage per magic attack after killing all of chapter 1-3's darkners to be interesting, the fact that Ch2 Noelle's LV 1 HP start out the same as Ch1 Kris' 90 HP kinda shows that Kris could've grown to be strong like Weird Run Noelle, too... they certainly feel like they were intentionally coded to be the equivalent of a JRPG team in a game with super weak enemies so they're heavily holding back
>>4061883like, they clearly got far more potential than Susie, and if they were to be placed in a normal JRPG like final fantasy, they would stop holding back and begin to perform similarly to an actual JRPG team
>>4061866I've wondered what the meaning of that is.Is it because Noelle is just more determined than Susie, or is it simply a perk of being a special chosen one?
fun fact:aside from health, no other stats increase between CH4-5we know that kris and ralsei are significantly stronger than their stats imply, so they're not actually capped.susie, on the other hand, actually is trying her hardest.her stats are capped, CH4 susie is quite literally peak susie potential and its holding back the rest of the party.noelle wont get the memo and will be using proper CH6 stats so she's going to be significantly stronger than everyone else
>>4061883interestingly, susie really can only do high damage by herself in ch1, which is the chapter that she's a minor antagonist but in both cases where she's doing said high damage, she cannot actually defeat whoever she's fighting, being c. round and lancer
>>4061866>sleep mist is 32TP instead of scythemare's 40Also I've wondered about the Orange Glove in regards to this. Noelle can also equip it but it only reduces the TP of ScytheMare, Noelle just gets the stat bonuses onlyI wonder if it will affect SleepMist later if we get Noelle back or if it will continue to only really help Susie
>>4061897its the same case as the yellow hat, noelle doesnt have the new formulas because she's not "supposed" to be able to equip it yet.good chance both items get their changes applied to noelle if she becomes a party member in CH6.its also possible that the flower items arent permanent items, and they wilt between the two chapters since they're just petals.
>>4061893The fuck is up with Ralsei's guts stat?
>>4061893Why does Ralsei randomly gain a bit of guts in 3 and then promptly lose it again?
>>4061904he got more guts because of his one on one time with susie but regressed in the following chapters because shit was getting real
I really wish Toby bothered to keep up with the tea interactionsHow does Kris actually feel about Susie in chapter 5? How about how Kris feels about Noelle in both the normal route and drowned route?What are Noelle's values towards Susie in chapter 5? That would've been cool to think about
>>4061913toby realized that the tea gave too much away and backed out despite this he still increased the hp kris gets from ralsei tea at the end of ch4 despite it being impossible to get
>>4061917The man does not get the importance of giving an inch does he?It'd be fun to hypothesize about changes, but everything's gotta be saved for the very end I guess!!!
>>4061919hey, itoi did it in mother 3 so that must mean it's a fantastic writing decision!please ignore the fact that he didn't do this in mother 1 and earthbound, everyone know mother 3 is the best one because it makes you sad at the end
>>4061907All it takes is one good SWOON to remind you that you and everything you do is pointless.
>>4061913Teafagging and it's use in the shipwars would have been horrible.Thank God he scrapped the idea.
>>40616000/10. There is no way Kris will sacrifice Susie, that will make him an irredeemable villain.My guess is that the final prophecy dictates that between the First and Second Heroes, one must die at the hands of the other. That's why Susie laughed on seeing it since the idea that she and Kris fighting is now unthinkable for her, and even if they do fight Ralsei will definitely stop them.Originally, the Second Hero was Noelle who was too weak to do it, resulting in the end of the world. Kris' plan is to make Susie the Second Hero this time and provoke Susie into killing him by revealing his "betrayal" at the right moment, that's the real reason he is working with the Knight.
>>4061934>There is no way Kris will sacrifice Susie, that will make him an irredeemable villain.I mostly agree but if Susie manages to fuck EVERYTHING up then that might change a littleLike imagine the worst scenario>Noelle dead>Ralsei dead>Dess is never coming backIt makes too much sense for the game to end on a more emotional VS Susie, the track already hits hard as fuck.Don't want to add shipping faggotry either but Kris is obviously at least somewhat jealous of her blooming romance with Noelle as wellAll of this could result in a final fight where Kris has a edgy oersted esque breakdown.
Kris has a crush on both Susie and Noelle, making her tonight's biggest loser.
>>4061936i'll give toby one thing, making the A plot of the game yuri ntr is pretty innovative for modern gaming
>>4061943Truly he is a subversive master.
>20 mentions of the shartyWouldn't you call that a little... obsessed?
>>4061934>Noelle was too weak to do itI don't think so, if that's what happened in the OG timeline I think it is more likely that Kris roped in order to not harm Noelle and the game reset. Then in the present loop he is trying to replace her with Susie but it has backfired and he is growing feelings for her as well, so he is gonna try to rope again with the seeds he took from flowery.
>>4061265i came to deltarune to complete the missionfuck the doekill everybodyand leave
>Department of War CTO used Flower Man on a Trump postI know you're browsing those threads.
>>4061960Don't forget to:fluff my pillowsmake me happyhate susiecut the monitorsscrub my dog krishate that gotefagTEAR EVERY HAIR FROM MY BEAUTIFUL BALLS
>>4061960i came here to leave the doe, fuck everybody, and kill
>>4061965golems trying to ruin everything good as usual
>>4061965TEN FEET TWENTY THE JEWISH MAN
>>4061847For me it did. People are saying that ch4 and 5 should've been switched and seem out of order. But doesn't everything in the prophesy seem out of order as well? Everyone is so quick to latch onto the hero stuff but what about "the world is completely fucked THEN the heroes appear at the world's edge, THEN the Knight appears, THEN they banish "the angel's heaven"? The world seems perfectly fine but the heroes have already appeared and the Knight was already there for years apparently? What is this all about?
>>4061997It's because the world has already ended, tune in for San's leder loredump in chapter 7
>>4061934this makes the most amount of sense to me right now, considering how she seems to refuse to give any further thought to Kris acting super suspicious. If this was Chapter 1 Susie I feel like she'd call it out
>>4061947well it's gone now and I got warned for it. they really are bitchmade huh>>4061997I don't subscribe to the idea of switching 4 and 5. Mostly because Flowery's whole schtick with Ralsei ends up not making any sense, along with Susie's escapist copium. Plus knowing what we know now of both chapters would completely assrape the engagement here with the triple whammy of Suselle Lake + Gerson Mentor + Stopping the Titan
>>4061593But the weird route doesn't do any of that. It doesn't give you anything you might want, not even gameplay.
>>4056911It's pretty meaningless to speculate about Chapter 6, no? Toby basically spelled out it would be an equivalent to "New Home" segment.Chapter 7A/B speculation is much better topic to discuss.
>>4062030I don't think it's meaningless. We know we have enemies, we know it has a boss, we know it focuses on one aspect of the story, and we know there will be an important reveal. It's not the missing piece that connects everything, but it will give us some good info at least, so I think there's no issue with speculating about it.
>>4061893>extra max hp gotten between 3 and 4 because there are hidden enemies that we didn’t get to fight that got “defeated” by closing the fountain>Susie is the only one that got extra hp between chapter 4 and 5, did she open a dark fountain herself and closed it or she beat up some darkners in castle town?
>>4062017You too huh?
>>4061917>>4061919>>4061923The tea is still a good indicator of how they feel in the moment.
>>4062036>Noelle gargling on Susie juiceKill yourself, yurifag
>>4061934Anon, Kris is 100% acting as the villain. The original plan was to make Susie the sacrifice, but Kris started liking her and had second thoughts.
>>4061904>>4061910Uncle Ralsei Ruckus only feels confident when he's talking down to other darkners That's why the flowers piss him off so much
>>4062046Who gives a shit let her die
>>4062031Sure, but speculation about Seam boss battle, Pure Crystal, and other stuff thought to be in ch6 now belong on Chapter 7.
>>4061989>FOUR FOOT TWENTY, THE JEWISH>STILL WAITING FOR THE TOUCH OF GOLD>FOOLING GOYS WITHOUT A PLAN>LIKE THE EVERY DAILY>THREADS THAT BOTHERS THE JEWISH MAN>INSIDE HIS CHAMBER FULL OF GAS
>>4061934>There is no way Kris will sacrifice Susie, that will make him an irredeemable villain.That was the exact plan in ch1.>an irredeemable villainHe was since ch1, never stopped. He's almost the same level as Flowey. If you forgave him, you'll likely forgive Kris, too. If not, then the same.
>>4062057>like flowey maybe that was Toby's fever dream.A player getting a new vessel at the end of the game, and killing the original protagonist.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone make a list of how much Suselle is skipped if you just go back to sleep at the start of each chapter
>>4061965He also used Flowery's "sorry to keep you waiting" line in the same post, and used Black Knife in another one talking about nightmaresThis is all good because it's hilarious seeing trannies having a melty under the comments of those posts, even if I'm not a MAGAtard
>>4062030>>4062031I’m pretty sure it will be a flashback about THAT INCIDENT. Its the only way that Toby can reveal one single aspect of the story, have one or multiple battles, and not progress the story at all. There wouldn’t be any new funky recruits since its far in the past anyway, and would match up with chapter 6 being irrelevant for 7B since the past wouldn’t change due to the weird route. All the aborted weird route changes would go into 7A, 7B is the weird route, and Seam battle and the twisted sword (and probable route 7C) would be all relegated to the 7th chapter.Since chapter 6 is a straightforward chapter there wouldn’t be any branching paths or choices that would affect the story.
>>4062061Someone need to make a ch5 comic about Susie dragging out sleeping Kris and hanging out with him and Noelle. Noelle likely is weirded out as hell
>>4062067>she treats Kris's sleeping body like a "thing" and doesn't see it much different from carrying around a darkner's light world self
>>4062065So what would all the setup for the Holiday mansion being the next Dark World location be for?It would be good if Toby somehow explained the mysteries of THAT DAY while managing to not consume a chapter's worth of content just for that
>>4062072Wouldn't flashback span multiple days? I doubt there was only a single ye olde Dark World. Only a final Dark World would be tragic.
>>4060993>Aqua is basing herself on Asgore's stories about his adopted human child.so>18 to 21 years old flower felt like becoming a lolimost based flower of all
>>4062073A flashback would only require a scene of the moment Dess and Kris went to the bunker and got anally raped by whatever lives inside of it, the rest would be filler outside of seeing Asriel and MAYBE PapyrusMaybe the Holiday mansion would be the penultimate dark world before they seal it and epic aura shenaningans happen in Castle Town during CH7 all in the same chapter
>>4062072There’s no “next dark world”. There are no more funny darkners that try to be the center of attention as Toby put it. If they opened a dark fountain in Holiday’s mansion certainly there would be a lot of funky new friends to be recruited. Also, Cyber City is already the Holiday’s Mansion dark world in a way, complete with the tenebrous basement with a toy train track and the Queen’s rich and luxurious mansion.We’re going straight to the deepest dark, even darker than the church dark world, and Noelle will never step foot in castle town at all either.
>>4062074>>>18 to 21 years old flower felt like becoming a loli>most based flower of allJust like Hachikuji Mayoi, Illya von Einzbern and tons of other lolis?
>>4062074I'd be willing to guess she started on her path of what she wanted to look like really early, hence the obvious primary basis being YOUNG Kris and not just Kris. But she did make the final decision as the dark world was made, so you're pretty much right.
>>4062077>Noelle will never step foot in castle townToby would never rob me of NTR kino of Noelle going “Ohhh I remember all these guys I used to play with Kris as a kid eh Susie we did have an incredible past together wow, every last adventure you had with Kris that you thought was yours and special? Well it was with me first, but don’t worry I love you now”
>>4062065But how would that work though? As in, if it's a flashback, how exactly does the Soul "enter" the flashback world? Even if it were, for example, Kris's memories, it would still be weird, how exactly is the Soul establishing control over a bunch of memories? And how the hell would battles where you can get a game over work? How does one die in a memory? This is even worse if the memories are someone else's. Yeah, the Soul can exert control over someone, but only to a certain extent, they're still free to refuse whatever orders you give them.If this was any other game I wouldn't have any issues with a playable flashback section, but Deltarune being the game that it is, I'm struggling to find a way that it would make sense.
Wait, so umbrella gals are separate from Netskie? All this time I thought they were just one of the Netskie forms.
>>4062082It would be a dream, Anon. In a dream, I Can Do Anything!
>>4062060Who gives a shit if it's at the end of the game, it's completely useless if there's no game left
>>4062087Why does it have to be "useful"? Useful for what?
>>4061866>if we actually get noelle and susie in battle together susie will learn very quickly that noelle's just better than her in the dark worlds.and Susie will get JEALOUS
>>4062087There is game left though, there's 7B. It's not gonna be just get the vessel, then credits roll.
>>4062089For playing a game. If there's no game left, getting a new character does not mean anything.
>>4062082>But how would that work though? As in, if it's a flashback, how exactly does the Soul "enter" the flashback world? We have seen flashbacks before though. Also the chapters don’t need to be linear, chapter 6 might as well be before chapter 1, Jackenstein map shows that the blade chapter (probably chapter 6) requires you to go all the way to chapter 5 then go back all chapters.The fact that the soul was there in the flashback also makes Kris having the cage make sense, he already knew about the soul control and had a cage ready to throw it inside.
>>4062093I don't believe you. Not after weird route chapter 5 was a whole load of nothing.
>>4062094You can play the game without the vessel.
>>4062097You cant
>>4062095>Jackenstein map shows that the blade chapterThat's Chapter 3's Sword Route.
>>4062099>nooooo this game doesn't really count as a game unless I can play it "normal"Whatever content is there is the game.
>>4062096>was a whole load of nothingIt has more content in it than the entire normal route Chapter 5
>>4062100>all chapters have an icon>t-the sixth icon is chapter 3 sword routeThen why there’s no weird route icon and you can go directly from chapter 1 and 2 icon to the blade icon?
>>4062078who>>4062079I don't think Kris visits the shop too often given Asgore's reaction in ch1. She likely isn't aware of how he grew up.
>>4062103>why there’s no weird route iconWeird Route is going from King directly to the Knight.>but where's SpamtonIn the same place as Tenna
>>4062095>We have seen flashbacks before though.Yeah, seen them, not played through them, that's a big difference and what's making me doubt it's all gonna be one big flashback.>Also the chapters don’t need to be linearWell they don't have to but considering the game has followed a linear trajectory with every single chapter takes into account your actions in chapters before, making Chapter 6 into Chapter 0 would feel pretty weird, also, all the items we got in 5 will be useless since if this is a flashback they wouldn't be present here, which would also be pretty weird.I just don't see it.
>>4062108In computer games playable dream sequences, playable flashback chapters, playable one-off PoV shifts, etc. are pretty common. Why are you so surprised about it?>but muh SOULWhat about it? I don't see any problems.
Im seeing people finally pointing out DR has shit gameplay
>>4062030Watsonian speculation for Deltarune was fatally wounded in chapter 3 and got put out of its misery by the last newsletter.But I do think there is some interesting doylist speculation to be done since we do have a better idea of how Toby is approaching the game having more chapters as context.
>>4062113If this was any other game I wouldn't have an issue with it, but this is Deltarune.>What about it? I don't see any problems.Well for one that Chapter 1 gives me the impression that this is the moment you actually make the connection, and this playable flashback just completely changes it. You start Chapter 1, the connection is made, apparently, you create the vessel, and in the middle of the process something interrupts it and you get placed into Kris. But then it turns out, no, you had actually been connected with Kris way before Chapter 1 started. So what's the whole deal with the goner maker sequence then? Was Chapter 1 actually a flash forward, and the whole thing with the goner maker actually happened in Chapter 0, which is actually 6, and you get to see what happened then? Very weird way of structuring this, not sure why he would do it.I don't know, maybe it is a big flashback and there will be an explanation for why showing the player, the Soul, this now, instead of before, that is not just plot convenience. I'm just gonna wait for the next newsletters, maybe we'll get something that will make this a bit more clear.
>>4062116I've been complaining about the gameplay for the past year here
>>4062125I meant on the normalfag internet
>>4062127well there is that lurker who makes videos complaining still waiting for that fag to make his ch5 video
>>4062116you mean outside this site? DR is still too full of toxic positivity, it might take a few months after the finale drops like only now people are starting to get more negative about digital circus
>>4062116It always had shit gameplay if you assumed it was trying to be a more in depth RPG version of Undertale.
>>4062116DR is a visual novel with occasional "bullet hell" segments I thought that was obvious
>2hu x UT thread got over 200 posts then got jannied
>>4062101the game is sold as an rpg, if there isnt any rpging because you cant even do battles, theres no rpg content in the rpg game
>>40621432hu is... strong
>>4062102>0 battles>no dark world>no festival>no flavor text, evenat least the normal route had something, the werid route had NOTHING in it
>>4062144You think it's not an RPG because you can't resolve the battles in a specific way that was always story-dependent in every game that offered such a resolution.
>>4062146>the most important bits of information on the characters and the world's rules we've gotten yetYep, it was great.
>>4062139Then Toby Fox lied. He called it an rpg.
>>4062147there were no battles in weird route at all, what the fuck are you talking about
>>4062149I don't care about that, I want a game, to play it.This is not a film.
holy fucking shit chapter 4 blindsided me with that frame-perfect climbing minigame
https://youtu.be/OzHLUaE37Ikhttps://youtu.be/WCaGhBvN38U
>>4062152You weren't talking about the weird route, you were bitching about not having your vessel from the start of the game. Because it seems you think, if you did, you'd be able to fight your way through the whole game and everyone you dislike would just die like they're "supposed" to.
>>4062156I was talking about the weird routeit led to nothingand getting the vessel at the point end of weird route would be nothing because it doesnt mean anything at that point because you cant do anything with it
>>4062153I want a game to play it too.That doesn't mean ignoring the story.
if you think about stillborn ralsei theory for more than a few seconds, then it's pretty fucking weird that toby fox included uncle/nephew shipping tease in his game with the kris/ralsei stuff
>>4062161wouldn't be the only instance of the game playing with incest courtesy of mew mew desiring two generations of the dreemurr family
>>4062159>nooo I was talking about the weird routeOkay then, how the fuck are you going to claim 7B will lack combat? What the fuck is the gun emoji in the 7B progress page if not "combat"?>but 5 didn't have combatA route is not obligated to distribute its events evenly throughout the game.
>>4062163Because I think the writers are lying again. I don't trust them at all anymore.
>>4062154>achievement so this was Flowery's soul trait huh
>>4062167Then that's a you problem. You're unable to distinguish the writer "telling" you something through a character in the game whose limited perspective and agenda had JUST been established from the creator telling you how development is going from outside the game. That's the only way you'd be convinced Toby was """lying""".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGgE-441i6w
>>4062171You cant just tell people that they have to like every single part of the game and worship the writer for itmake a film at that point, thats how a director behaves
>>4062172Fake. Real: https://youtu.be/SvYhz_d8RRI
>>4062175Nobody said that. Especially not the game. I said that the writer isn't lying to you by making the things a character tells you colored by that character's perspective.
>>4062177If he says the game is an rpg(recent newsletter) then his fans are all saying its not, someone's lying.
>>4062178It is an RPG. It's just not trying to be a deep one where you get to pick the roles you play, and instead using the mechanics to help establish the roles of the characters.
>>4062161>>4062162I'll copypaste my analysis because b4k is a bitch for long threads:>vaguely incestuousIt's insane how many times Deltarune has made implications for incest or pseudo-incest:>Kris gets hit on by a guy who looks like his brother and has an anagram of his name. Same guy also gets implied to be sexually submissive at multiple points.>Noelle is attracted to a girl that just happens to resemble her missing sister.>Susie also acts like an Asriel replacement for Kris in some ways, she even gets to dress in his clothes. They both share some spicy moments.>Blue and Yellow have a romantic relationship despite other flowers like Orange understanding themselves as siblings.>Asgore is getting hit on by Flowery, a guy who is a bizarre expy of someone who was Asgore's biological son in Undertale>Pink is made up of Mad Dummy, who repeatedly states she has the hots for Asgore, and Mew Mew who has the hots for Kris and dates and kisses him. Neither seem bothered by the fact they want a relationship with the father and the son at the same time.>Queen is one gigantic "mommy" fetish characters and that gets acknowledged in many ways.>Queen outright says "getting her two little daughters married" is her greatest dream as a mother. Also considering she is an expy of Carol and Toriel, both mothers of characters entangled in this incestuous mess.
doe thread getting autosaged
>>4062172Kris somehow has less beef with a flower stealing his dad than a TV that just wants him to like him back
I like Deltarune
>>4062179Then he replaced my entertainment, this is what gets sold now and i want him to suffer for subverting my favorite things
It's a popular theory that Noelle was the original Girl of prophecy, but what if the Vessel was also the original Cage of the prophecy.It would mean that Kris knew what was going to happen for years in advance and that he not only forced Susie, but also himself into the prophecy.Why would Kris intercept the Device and make himself the cage
>>4062189How fucking dare you.
>>4062192to spite the player
>>4062192Read up on FemKris theory.
>>4062192there was no way the game would force suselle even then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmdfSkej1k
>>4062192Because the Knight needs the Soul for it's plans.The original timeline probably had Kressel and Suselle as the main ships of the story.
>>4062213faggot
>>4062215Kressel is Hetgem though.
>>4062213Is the Device the only thing that can seal a fountain?Would that imply that Kris received the device on That Terrible Day?
>>4062217Kris is a man. And I don't want to engage with the homo ships. Just don't have it in the game it's gross
>>4062219Kris is a girl though.
I like the premise of some of the more conspiratorial theories. Kris and Ralsei (and maybe others, like Noelle) already know what's coming and are just going through the motions of the Prophecy, and the Prophecy itself was put there by Gaster or something. The whole story is a play/ploy, for one end or another.
>>4062201>Read up on FemKris theoryKill yourself
Anyone who is hoping for Krusie or Kriselle in the normal route better hope that suselle crashes and burns in chapter 6, because otherwise I really don't think there's enough time to have suselle come crashing down, and have Susie/Noelle rebound with kris.
>>4062231The idea he brought up is thoroughly explored by FemKris theory. It's a valid response.
>>4062232even if suselle breaks up in 6, they will get together for real in the true ending and everyone will clap
>>4062225I'm getting real tired of fans treating Gaster like God.
>>4062235That could also happen but if they don't break up in 6 then it's absolutely guaranteed that it's either happening, or if it doesn't happen, then neither krusie or kriselle is happening either.
>>4062234That's like saying advice about eating healthy and exercising is throughly explored by a scammer preacher
Isn't it a bit funny that it feels easier to make predictions on what will happen on the secret route, compared to the actual normal route that every player should see if they play through the game?
>>4062242I dunno about that cause legitimately anything could happen in 7B
>>4062242No that's fairly normal considering a lot of the same person pretending to be multiple people here didn't actually play the game.
>>4062245Skies Forever Blue but fucked upToby couldn't wait and revealed his hand too early
>>4062242You defended him not giving the player valueable information, you deserve it.
>>4062236dunno, it's not like Toby didn't give him all the attributes of the devil in UThe could be the equivalent of a demiurge in DT
>>4062258Should have dropped herIf she was just a little later everything would be better
i guess 2000 is our limit before the threads start slowing downthis board is fine, but i feel like /v/ threads would be better since we wouldn't stagnate like this for days
Do you think Prophecy as-it-is can work without Dark Worlds? AFAIR, Lord of the Hammer, Dragon Blazers, Cat Petters RPG never featured Dark Worlds.In particular those lines:>A WORLD BASKED IN PUREST LIGHT.>BENEATH IT, GREW ETERNAL NIGHT.>>IF FOUNTAINS FREED, THE ROARING CRIES.>AND TITANS SHAPE FROM DARKENED EYES.>>THE LIGHT AND DARK, BOTH BURNING DIRE.>A COUNTDOWN TO THE EARTH'S EXPIRE.>>TO SAVE THE WORLDS,>THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY.>>ONLY THEN,>WILL THE WORLDS BE SAVED.I'm thinking that Deltarune world's prophecy was never about "negative photons", Gaster just adapted the Prophecy to retrofit it.
>>4062272What else would it mean by fountains then?
>>4062270Phone posters struggle with threads this big
>>4062275and that's a good thing
>>4062275Ill never understand phoneposters, its such a miserable experienceAt most Id use twitter on my phone when Im outside
>>4062280you'd be surprised by the number of people who don't have a Personal Computer these days.
>>4062282So its all they have?Thats fucked, I kinda feel sorry for them now
>>4062282Not even a laptop? That's just being a greedy fuck
>>4062275Skill issue. Phones are perfectly capable of displaying 10000 post threads if app is properly optimized.
>>4062280>Ill never understand phoneposters, its such a miserable experienceI’ve been phoneposting more ever since they cranked spur up and it gets really aggressively angry if you don’t have an old enough cookie and/or it just doesn’t like the browser you’re using (there’s a lot of ghostposts on desuarchive talking about this issue)t. normally uses PC/Brave>>4062294>linking a threadProbably gonna get nuked
>>4062116as always, 4chinz is about 3 months ahead of everyone else when it comes to talking about this game
>>4062305people have also started talking about the symbolism of kris covering up the angel at the start of the chapter while susie covers up the heroes at the end i'm pretty sure we clocked that on either the first or second day
>>4062294lolyour stealth thread is so discrete that people are actually engaging with the topic
>>4062300i think it's just to waste the hall monitor's time monitoring a completely random thread. Or maybe its a stealthy reference to the old man.
Man, without schizos throwing tantrums these threads are dead, aren't they?
>>4062315We are in the WAITING phase please understand
>>4062315the threads are dead because we don't have as much opportunity for oc and theoryposting because we're stuck in /vrpg/ purgatory hopefully moral will improve in september when toby unveils the ut 11th anniversary thing
I want to make a detailed post on peepee.exe but the thread is slowing reaching its end, so I guess I'll just wait for a fresh one.
>>4062325Hopefully it's a geno stream.
>>4062326the thread is pretty slow at the moment, so you can post it here, and post it again on the next thread
>>4062328Good point. I need to make some screenshots but I'll post it very soon.
>>4062326There’s also a bunch of random threads to use up too if you feel like it >>4033883>>4058196>>4047021
>>4062332None of these are good
>>4062332It's shit thread.
>>4062334then make them good
>>4062315I ran out of things to complain about michael
There always something to complain about with this shittily written game and its shit writing hampering the game experience
Ah, here we are, a schizo to keep the thread alive.
>>4062065Holy fuck could you imagine the riots if we got a motherfucking FLASHBACK CHAPTER>What will happen when Noelle enters Castle Town?Wait until Chapter 7>Will Kris being cucked be resolved?Wait until Chapter 7>How about the Twisted Sword, is that gonna be a route?Wait until Chapter 7If you thought reception about Chapter 5 was bad just you fucking wait
>>4062348toby already tried to damage control and said "t-trust me guys the game's pacing issues aren't because I'm a bad writer, it will make sense when it's done!!! please believe me!!!"and the same people that keep reposting the "TOBY SAID THIS CHAPTER WAS ONE LAST FUN ADVENTURE STOP HATING ON IT AND JUST CONSUME" will be there to defend him
I cooked a breadFeel free to move when this one hits the image limit>>4062351 >>4062351 >>4062351 >>4062351
>>4062353Kill yourself, retard.
>>4062353damn it, i knew i should've made the thread before hitting image limit
>>4062353probably for the best
>>4062355The other ones suck ass too bad faggot>>4062356Best to make them a little bit before they do or we get 4 threads at once and everyone starts complaining about not spamming the board
>>4062353>made 15 images before the limit this timenigger you're not even trying to hide it at this point.
we hadnt even reached 3k replies what the fuck
>>4062366>>4062369Whatever saboteur you think I am I am not. I just saw the thread approaching the limit and made one beforehand but I didn't tell you all to move, I said feel free to move WHEN the thread hits the limit
>>4062370making threads early is a /vg/ behavior.if you're going to make a thread hours before you need to, go to /vg/ and stay there.
>>4062371Damn. My bad thenYou guys can report the thread if you want before people start whining about deltatroon spam
do we have to argue EVERY FUCKING TIME we get a new threadjesus pick your damn battles
>>4062349Fun adventure my ass cuckoldry isn't fun and Fountains coming out of nowhere isn't an adventure
1/2 Alright /vrpg/, to be honest this is probably going to be a dialogue dump with a pretty bare-bones summary of the timeline and a few questions of my own. It is not very rigorous work, but it might make some people want to look into it in more detail. Just a heads-up: I know absolutely nothing about Mother/Earthbound, so I will miss every single reference.The image is a compilation of dialogues (in chronological order). I didn't split it into sections because, as I said, I'm barely doing any theorizing here.Everything AFTER the green dialogue boxes corresponds to the post-credits scene / ending. Everything before that is, well, before.Honestly, this romhack is completely bizarre and cryptic. Since I lack the references, I can't tell the difference between pseudo-intellectual word vomit and actual callbacks.I started around the fight against Jeff, right after beating him. I just thought it could be food for thought: in it, Ness wants to find Paula to ask her out to a Christmas dance. Is Paula Dess here? Whatever.What is especially interesting is the part about Giygas, his castle, and the "evil water flows" that threaten to "flood the earth"... kind of like the Darkness. I was thinking maybe the bunker, but on the map it's to the South, not in the middle of town. Castle Town then? No idea, but it caught my attention.After some gameplay, Ness reaches a place called Narvick. Clearly a ghost town: NPCs deliver a single line of dialogue before turning into skeletal remains. Then an NPC gives a speech about Narvick. And Varick. Who is Varick? Is it (You)? Is it Gaster? He then talks about the blurring line between past and future, between the living and the dead (wink wink Gerson?). There is this parallel about no longer being able to tell fiction from reality.He mentions Giygas again, and this time he really is in the South. Just like the Bunker.
>>40623842/2Anyway, right after that, Ness heads into Giygas's infamous lair. Skipping the nonsense, we reach the final area. Honestly, Giygas doesn't add much, so I didn't bother transcribing his lines. However, as soon as he is defeated, things seem to get worse. And a giant fucking Garfield spawns (FRIENDfags???). He does not look friendly at all. Ness fights him, takes him down, and finds Paula.Ness then wakes up, and we cut to the post-ending / post-credits sequence, with the black text boxes.Here, to be completely honest, it strongly mirrors the Weird Route at its core. Ness goes downstairs to meet Pokey, and the following dialogue takes place. Hard to draw conclusions, because it feels like a blend of Chapters 4, 5, and whatever comes next. One would be tempted to say Ness = Noelle, Pokey = Kris, but Pokey seems interested in (You), and their roles occasionally swap.A fight between the two breaks out, which corresponds to the last three text boxes; they literally fight in front of a painting of Jesus. When Ness defeats Pokey, Pokey reveals he was Sigma from Mega Man all along. He gets beaten again, and Dr. Wily becomes the final roadblock. Before realizing it was all just another simulation. The End.I know this is very messy, but the 2-hour video is way too bloated for me not to at least take the time to share the transcripts with you. Do whatever you want with it, but some of the parallels are surprisingly striking.
>>4062384varick is probably a reference to varik, the protagonist of brandish and also of the halloween hack which is kind of a "sequel" to this (and precursor to deltarune)
>>4062391It would be sense, indeed.
>>4062398*makeSorry I'm tired.
>>4062384how do I run that game, it just says vehicle not foind or chara1 not found when I try to open it and yes I have rpg maker installed all versions
>>4062326I played it too so I'm interested in other people's outlook on it. There are a lot of parallels about the weird route and getting stronger, also the Porky/Gygas going to prom with Paula probably being a parallel of Susie taking Noelle to the festival.The themes about being replaced by Porky in the real world while he keeps you asleep stuck in a fake reality, and the fact that he knows that The Player is the only one that gets to have a choice.I believe Deltarune is Toby retreading every idea in peepee.exe but in a more serious and proper way. Even the endings will be referenced in Deltarune, with either you letting Pokey win and having all that talk about evil people being redeemed and christmas being a season of forgiveness (either Kris or Susie will be redeemed for being villains and get a second chance at life), or the other ending where Pokey gets a workout-ready cyber body and you have a final battle, before knowing it was all a plot by Dr Wing Ding Gaster I mean Dr. Willy
>>4062407you need to have the RTP installed, not just the RPG Maker program
>>4062407I watched a 2-hours video because I was bored at work but I believe you can find the zip from a webarchive link.
>>4062416I got thishttps://www.rpgmakerweb.com//run-time-packageIs it not enough?
>>4062420it should be unless you installed a version different from whatever toby used, though from what I've seen it is likely either 2000 or 2003
>>4062424Well I got everything in there installed and it still asking for vehicle or chara if I create a file named vehicle>>4062417Yeah I grabbed it from internet archive but it doesnt want to open
>>4062411I'm curious to see to what extent all these mentioned themes will be revisited. It's mainly the Weird Route aspect that intrigues me, because we clearly see Noelle's profile, but who would the other one be? That's the problem with Kris being a silent protagonist. The Vessel? Or is it meant to embody everything Noelle will think? But where would the duality lie then?
>>4062429maybe try running it through easyRPG or setting up compatibility mode
>>4062186That flower knows Kris has changed and acts like his equal but the TV keeps brining up the happy past and Kris HATES that.
>>4062274If there's a mass of "darkness" under the light world then it's basically like oil.
>>4062431>easyrpgthat fixed it thanks, didnt know such a program existed
>>4062433yeah, kris' default check text for tenna is 'isn't it about time you got a new tv?'kris wanted his ass dead, i wonder how he felt when susie fixed him
>>4062440OH N-
>>4062446such innocent times
>>4062441NTA but easyRPG is such an incredible programIt makes it easier to run RPG Maker 2000/2003 games outside of windows. You can even run it on hacked devices like Vita, 3DS and even the original Wii
>>4062433plus his stall attempt fucking SUCKED>TVs are good at talking, but not good at listening
>>4062308Think it was about a week, but then again i was late and didn't get to play it until a few days after release and was avoiding most areas for spoilers
>>4060305I wonder if they're actually lore breaking or not since light world save points are much more insubstantial than dark world ones, are still only visible to the human, are only within existing patches of sunlight, the Knight is evidence for keeping some dark world powers in the light world even if conditionally, and Kris is muuuuuch stronger than shown in 99% of gameplay
>>4062440So is the roaring actually supposed to be about the world's economy collapsing because of oil
>>4062308In which chapter did that happen again?
>>4062457that would explain why susie is so paranoid about ruining the economy in ch5
>>4062461chapter 5
>>4062462Maybes but then what would the Titans and the worlds be exactly?
>>4062384>>4062386I don't know what to make of this honestly
>>4062384>Just a heads-up: I know absolutely nothing about Mother/Earthbound, so I will miss every single reference.then get to work
>>4062467Toys. You make plastic with petrol and toys with plastic. He’s criticizing consumerist society just like Mother 3
Anons I am sorry if I made the thread too early but I saw the thread was slow and figured nobody would complain if I got it up beforehandNext time I'll wait until we hit it, apologies to the other guy that had an image ready too
>>4062474>I am sorryYou should kill yourself.
Who remembers about So Sorry...? I know I don't
>>4062474It's fine.
>>4062384>I know absolutely nothing about Mother/Earthbound, so I will miss every single reference.In Earthbound Ness and Porky are neighbours, kinda friends and kinda Porky is an asshole. Ness gets his call to adventure and Porky refuses to tag along because he’s no hero and a coward. Ness then meets Paula, Jeff and Poo in his adventures to defeat Gygas, an alien from the future that is controlling his minions in the past. Meanwhile, Porky is doing shady business and amassing funds while hampering Ness adventure whenever he can, acting like a minor antagonist. At the finale, Porky is the one that releases Gyigas from his containment as an act of spite against Ness, and is trapped in the past/future/whatever after Gyigas is defeated.After that, in Mother 3, the lost Porky finds his way to Nowhere Islands and ends up killing Lucas’ mother (as referenced in peepee.exe) and is the main antagonist pulling the strings in this new world. (You don’t really need to know anything more than this for peepee)Deep down, even while being antagonistic to Ness, Porky has a side that always wanted to actually be Ness’s friend, evidenced by Ness Magicant dialog (Ness mindspace dungeon) and in mother 3 where he treasures Ness’s keepsakes.You missed the other ending, since you just watched a youtube video instead of playing it, where Ness purposefully gets defeated and gives Porky another chance, where Porky is reborn in a new snowy world where he’s adopted by a family, showing him the true meaning of Christmas.
>>4062487Fuck you for reminding me he exists
>>4062492>You missed the other ending, since you just watched a youtube video instead of playing it, where Ness purposefully gets defeated and gives Porky another chance, where Porky is reborn in a new snowy world where he’s adopted by a family, showing him the true meaning of Christmas.This is gonna be the ending of Deltarune too, isn't it
>>4062474People are throwing a tantrum for shit, ignore the schizos.I noted that once we reach +2000 posts and bump the image limit people tend to move to another thread. We're almost there so it's just fine.
>>4062497>bro we just NEED to make threads 5 hours early and with 100 images left!>it doesnt matter if there's already ten UT/DR threads on the board. we just NEED more threads!go back to /vg/
>>4062496The merciful ending where Susie gets to live in a nice family and Kris sacrifices himself? Yeah, but thats gonna be the bad endingThe true ending will be the ending where Porky (Susie) redirects all the battle damage to Jesus (the soul in Deltarune) and gets scotch free, getting a special battle body and fighting you again. After you defeat Sigma-Porky you finally meet with Dr Willy Ding Gaster and murder him, finally cutting the strings of the actual puppetmaster. Its a joke ending on peepee.exe but I can imagine it being serious on Deltarune
>>4062503Those other threads suck.
>>4062506WELL THEN MAKE THEM NOT SUCK BY HAVING DISCUSSIONS IN THEM!
>>4062505So where does this leave the weird route?
>>4062487Kris does
>>4062514>kris' mental illness is on the same level as so sorry's what the fuck could've happened on THAT DAY to cause this?
>>4062514>This will NEVER be adressed because Toby is a hack
>>4062528it was probably just a nod to the sweepstakes stuff, which implied all the kids went to therapy after the incident but since toby has no balls outside of the weird route, it's probably just a one and done 'mystery', yeah
your face when Toby already spoiled the actual roles in 2023 newsletter.Kris is the prince alone in the dark, Ralsei is the dragon (74pilled, the girl is still Noelle), and Susie is the cage because she wants to be Kris so much and steal everything that's his that she'll even take his role (romancing the girl, probably dying in the end, etc).This role-changing is also referenced in one of the Mikes gags, and that trio is an obvious parallel to the gang (talkative know-it-all green, a tall retard, and a mute that wants to be called by the wrong name - Its Kris, not VesselName!)
>>4062534ralsei being the dragon is deboonked by the HERO descriptions
>>4062538>debunked>scarf looks like the tongue of a long lizardMore like it adds more fuel
>>4062538>velveteen masterpieceRALSEI IS A PLUSHIE THEORY GROWS STRONGER
>>4062538>"this hero can chop down trees at a lower level than the other controllable characters">"wood can be used to stoke the fire which melts the girl's icy heart">kris stoking the girl's icy heart = lake scene>lake scene only happened the way it did because kris couldnt back out, susie would nope out immediately>an unhinged noelle left to her own devices = ???the one ending is noelle having a meltdown either way, weird route is just you taking her away from hometown so that she can freeze the villain instead of the town.
>>4062534Even if the theory itself might be wrong, Toby’s newsletter images often come true later on, like papyrus watering MewMew’s head buried near the 7 flowers.
>>4062547>greatest fuel is friendship>true strength lies within your friendsOk so we’ll either burn your friends in a fire or you’ll gut them with the swordI’m fine with that Toby
>>4062487Why did you have to remind me?
Freedom...https://files.catbox.moe/5bifnr.mp4
>>4062538>>4062541>Greatest fuel of all is friendship>Tongues of a long lizardAre Susie and Ralsei gonna merk Kris together? Is the sword route actually self defence?
VERY. VERY. DELECTABLE.THE SPIDER IS BAKING. AND YET, HER CREATIONS ARE TASTY, TASTIER, YET TASTIER.
>>4062514>>4062523
>>4062564Kris is just UT Asriel again simping for a girl who abused them and they liked it so much it broke them
>>4062562THE INSULIN KEEPS GROWINGTHE RESISTANCE CUTTING DEEPERBMI READINGS POSITIVETHIS NEXT BURGERSEEMSVERYVERYFULFILLING
>>4062568KEK
>>4062548in hindsight if we're going off of Papyrus maybe being the egg man Pink having connections should've probably been obvious
>>4062568kek
>>4062564Good final image
>>4062564the fucking terraria zenith sword and magic circle of eggs kill me every time
>>4062564literally me
>>4062564God I really hope molester Dess is canon
>>4062275I swear there are way more phone posters recently. I'm noticing way more images with iPhone filenames being posting across the boards.
