Do you think Berdly has any chance of returning in the incoming chapters?
>>4062351I'm still all in on the Hospital Dark Word segment and I'm further betting that Berdly will only show up as Dustner on the aborted Weird Routes
>>4062361You know what now I'm betting on a flashback chapterI just wanna see the fandom burn when we get told we have to WAIT to get anything of value
>>4062361A defrosted Berdly fight for WR would be megakino, he was very powerful for his first time in the Dark World in CH2 and we're still yet to have an exclusively WR bossfight
>>4062351I actually think so just because he’s literally the only non-Noelle classmate that’s mandatory to interact with (i.e. Chapter 2), the complete lack of relevance that the others have only accentuates that he’s meaningful to the overarching story
>>4062351>made 15 images before the last thread hit ILspam thread.
>>4062369Calm your derangement a little That thread was as good as dead between the handful of us who were still posting.It's got 2,600 replies and it's on page 7Real regulars of this board would never refer to what we're doing as "spam"
>>4062373if there were only 3 DR threads with this one then maybe, but there are >4056695>4056740>4033883>4058196>4049976>4017530>4056911>4052319>4042908>4047021>can't even link them without being caught in the spam filter
>had the perfect image for the OP>waiting for the image limit to be hit>new thread gets made way before the image limit gets hit.I'm making the next one at 2k regardless of whatever images have been posted.
>>4062382just post it nowIt's early enough in the thread for everyone to see
>>4062373>real regularsIm a regular of the board and I think ur gay and should stop going out of your way to be annoyingMy favorite rpgs from various generations are mother 1, lufia 2, legend of dragoon, and digital devil saga 1.Anyways for the topic, I dont think berdly ia going to be particularly relevant again, and thats a real shame because his screen time in ch 2 was one of the highlights. He will be present but probably not impact much.
>>4062381wow11 threadsthe oldest of which is 37 days old >>4017530and only 3 of which were made this week.What grievous spammers we all areBut now that we are all here, how about YOU refrain from spending the next 200 replies complaining about the hecking evil spammers.It'll help the thread last longer.
>>4062351No, absolutely not.Toby absolutely despises his fanbase, and when he saw that people genuinely liked the character that was meant to be a buttmonkey for the tragic story he does have, alongside his hidden good qualities, he sought to make Berdly as annoying as he possibly could. Him not showing up in CH5 during Abort means that he will never show up for anything important ever, because Toby is too much of a lazy fucking cuck to possibly make a scenario that changes depending on Berdly being there or not.Kris still gives Seth the Blue Feather regardless of it being Abort or not. Even if you abort at the lake.
>>4062365Electricity is the best element by the way
Berdly is the only man good enough for Kris (apart from ME, obviously).
>>4062473I'm really curious as to why the Sky Mantle blocks Holy/Electric
>>4062537By which I mean I get the Holy part, but Electric? Where would that come from?Is the Survey Program the Angel?
Freedom...https://files.catbox.moe/5bifnr.mp4
P-Push me, Kris!
>>4062565Am I fucking crazy or does the spoiler thumbnail on /vrpg/ keep changing
>>4062565>click on the spoiler absent-mindedly>ralsei takes up my entire fucking monitorWhy is this bleeting goat such a fat fucking chud?
>>4062573It has like 2 or 3 different spoiler tags that seem to be chosen at random
>>4062573Apparently so.
>>4062550Too much radio.Not enough head.
>>4062403Ok let's instead talk about femkris in a civilized manner
>>4062575Susie's fault>Hey Ralsei eat the rest of the cake you made>Cmon Ralsei get on the ground and eat the Darker Candy with me
Loli Kris gf...
>>4062550Fake Plastic Trees huh
>>4062584i personally find it amusing that the streamer with a schizo cork board is one clue away from theorizing second hero krisshe clocked that susie isn't the second hero based on the description and image said that the description for the first hero is really weird for it to be kris, citing that specifying the human soul means it probably isn't a regular humanshe also has an 'unrelated' theory about how the royal family works, and that there's a king, queen, and prince, being the dreemurrs i forget how she figured there's a princess, but she seems to believe there is one that we don't know about given asgore's line about how kris is also royalty early in ch5, i wonder if that will be the last piece of the puzzle for herif not then her mods are fags because she doesn't know about the weird route and noelle's unused flavour text yet the princess ribbon is the key to all of this
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
Vessel using a kiss to drain the SOUL out of you.
>>4062593>Aborted route>In the shelter>Finally found your vessel>Pop out of Kris and assume control>Noelle rips you out mortal kombat style >Snowgraves your vessel>PROCEEDS you back into Kris>No one can choose who they are in this worldI would kneel
>>4062607And then Noelle woke up and remembered she's just a Noelle that can only do Noelle things.
>>4062605Oh no, that would be horribleeeee!
>>4062607
>>4062593Doesn't matter, 30 minutes of cutscenes doesn't justify the 8 years of bullshit.
>>4062619>30 minutes>When 7B is confirmed to have fully fleshed out enemies and bosses
>>4062607Kino
>>4062621I think he's lying again.I don't see the point in the vessel when realistically it would play the same as Kris if not less.
>>4062607Please Toby, make 7B at least as kino as this...
>>4062539Don't the elements in the game come in pairs? it's probably that it was designed to resist holy and, as a secondary effect of elements being paired, it also resists electric
>>4062351Berdly WILL be the final boss of chapter 7B
>>4062628Megalovania WILL play and he WILL say IT directly to (You)
>>4062593Skies Forever Blue is about Kris and Noelle.
>>4062635>hangs out with susie the whole day at the festivalSlut
>>4062635Very obviously too
>>4062621so did mother 3 ch7it still had leder dumping the entire story on you near the end
Parasocially speaking, what are the chances that Toby is an unironic gnostic schizo? Man has been refining the same themes for 20 years now
All rise for the National Spamton.
>>4062645All of his work on the subject has been at least outwardly confined to commenting on games themselves. I don't think you can conclude off it that he actually believes the world outside of games works that way.
>>4062351Berdly had potential as a character and he got fucked up in a style worth of the modern Hollywood.Abandon all hope.
>>4062637Noelle jumps right back to Kris as soon as he gives her even a little attention. If Kris stopped keeping his distance, approached Noelle, and talked to her, she wouldn't think about Susie at all. Susie is literally a replacement for Kris, who has been keeping his distance from Noelle for several years now.
>>4062654yeah, it's pretty telling that even on her big date with susie that she's been dreaming about for three (3) days if kris even hints and the time the two of them spent together she starts skipping down memory lane
>>4062646Best character in the game btw
>>4062637>>4062654>Noelle jumps right back to Kris as soon as he gives her even a little attention It's shown more explicitly in WR. Kris approached her at night, without us, between chapters 3 and 4. Noelle was so happy to hear his voice that she burst into tears and said, "Kris, you're back". After Kris stopped keeping his distance from Noelle and talked to her, in Chapter 4, Noelle pays much more attention to Kris than she does to Susie. She even leaves Susie waiting downstairs and invites Kris to talk to her in her room, where she closed the curtains and tried to kiss him. If Kris stops keeping his distance from Noelle and starts giving her some attention, Susie just doesn't stand a chance. Their bond is still too strong, even after several years of intentional distance on Kris's part.
>>4062657Probably for the best that Toby's never even attempted to top him. He realized that he can't do any better going in that direction.
>>4062654>Despite this scene, the cuckshit is forced on you anywayEven when holding C, two full minutes in vivid detail of what every motion is.
>>4062363It could still be kinda cool>Get to play as lil' Kris, with this being her first encounter with the soul>Despite being a kid, she's more powerful than the Kris we control in the present day because she doesn't think to hold back. Even lets us use magic>Dess is in our party, but she works like Chapter 1 Susie because she refuses to take orders from an 8 year old
>>4062663>Despite this scene, the cuckshit is forced on you anywayThat's because Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. Why do you think Noelle is seething throughout the entire suselle scene in the aborted WR? This romantic scene was literally forced upon Noelle by the prophecy.
>>4062671Prophecy hardwiring itself is contrary to the idea the prophecy can be re-interpreted and technically correct through accomplishing the requirements with different actors though
>>4062363How would (you) be witnessing the flashback? Is a character gonna loredump to Kris, who already knows it?>>4062667I think it is quite explicit that the soul has only been present (or at least controlled) since we connected in chapter 1
>>4062673Then what's the cage for in Kris' room?She's familiar with us
>>4062674Tearing out your soul is the DR version of cutting your wristsor it is period blood
>noelle has been intentionally kept away from dark worlds, her CH2 inclusion was just an unlucky >at the very least carol knows.>"oh yeah rudy fell down" conveniently before flower world was madeis it possible that rudy falling down was a lie to get noelle away from susie so that the dark world could be made?
>>4062673The bird cage is very interesting because people have been assuming the soul only came to exist since the Survey Program was opened, but it's not the case, obviously, even though this detail has been extensively ignored. And the Soul for some reason must be kept restrained even before our arrival. So we come to the ideas:>1. This is Kris' original Soul and our control over the soul is only a connection established through the device. Someone else was controlling the soul before us.>2. This is someone else's soul and Kris lost their original soul. Before our arrival it was already outside of Kris' controlIt's puzzling that the cart has signs of damage which means it has been used before; it could be that Kris actually been moving that thing around through Hometown and no one found it weird? People seem to know human souls are a thing because of all the heart shaped objects in the Holiday house, so is tearing your soul just some shit humans do in this world apparently??
>>4062676rudy falling down could mean he's dead or he just broke his assconsidering that he wasn't supposed to be out and about at church, he most certainly wasn't supposed to be putting up lights with a ladder unsupervised although he could've only had a short fall, considering his condition even a minor one would cause people to worry
>>4062671It shouldn't exist at all, I don't find it attractive, most people aren't gay Don't tell me these ancient creators of the prophecy are going to support lesbianism out of the blue
>>4062680Fell Down is way too specific of a term, it's going to be some bullshit troll writing if he toppled down the ladder.
>>4062679i think it might be that the red soul was kris' original soul, but it changed colour, as alluded to by asgore and aquaperhaps (you) can only directly connect to a base red soul, said soul can temporarily take on other colours but it always defaults back to redthis line of thinking could imply that if kris were to actively change colours, like to cyan for example, (you) might lose control over krisunfortunately this is something i don't see toby revealing, because then he would have to explain too much about how it works
>>4062683>Don't tell me these ancient creators of the prophecy are going to support lesbianism out of the blue Toby is the creator of the prophecy. Toby is a disgusting yurifag.
>>4062679I will assume that the soul is Kris's original soul possesed by us. Following that line of thought:There might be a physical device in the light world that connects with the outside DEVICE that allows the connection to happen. Someone might have stolen the soul and left Kris for dead in order to beam us into the vessel, but mysterybox shit happened and Kris got it back. The bird cage might have been used to wheel it between the mysterynigga hideout and the dreemur house. The cattie demon summoning plotline alludes to this.
>>4062692That's a good line of thought but doesn't quite explain why Kris couldn't just put their own soul back in their body. The cage's existance before the player must mean the Soul needs to be restrained because it's moving on its own before the player connected, that's the annoying piece of the puzzle without an explanationThough, I guess there are some unusual moments like the closing of the fountain at the beginning of chapter 4 where the game just seems to skip time from the player's perception so you technically aren't experience everything that happens in the light world chronologically
>>4062672Suselle is the path of least resistance and minimal complication to the prophecy on the normal route because Susie is the prophecy's strongest Lightner soldier since it's pure indulgent power fantasy for her, and Noelle is too submissive and agreeable to go against the grain.
>>4062661Words can't express how much i love this evil motherfucker
>>4062697In chapter 3 the shelter door opens while the soul is there yet we do not see what goes down, we cannot use the absolute POV of it a proof of anything desu. Additionally considering the existence of the weird route I think the soul has more canonical knowledge than the actual player US, at least until the game is fully complete. Also there is a very real chance we play through chapter 0 in one of the schizo routes and we will actually have control during the cage drive
>>4062699His every waking moment might be agony, but he's making the most of it!
>>4062701Turd Enshitty, unfortunately, is back on the menu, because it diegetically explains why Kris is abusing his soul to the point of leaving bloodstains Toriel doesn't give a shit about pre-chapter 1, and explains why you can leap to chapter 7 with no prior completion data, and also all the moments where "you" do something without your input.
>>4062708Sorry I can't take third entity seriously, it is literally pic related
>>4062717would be funny if this was posted under a post that correctly predicted the ending and toby saw it and is internally panicking
>>4062708>and also all the moments where "you" do something without your input.or maybe its because putting up a prompt that says "PRESS X TO EPIC AWESOME SAUCE" is fucking retarded.
>>4062587Sorry bro but I prefer loli gfs from the previous game.
>>4062717Jaru believes in it so it either doesn't happen at all and is completely wrong or it's miraculously right.
>>4062607Genuinely don't see the point of this unless you think the weird route is just a Kriselle dating sim like >>4062635 believes. Too much evidence from the game against this lame shit.
>>4062721Yeah, but it doesn't feel like *I* did anything when the soul lit up in the Your Power hallway. The soul lit up by itself, and by virtue of being able to do chapter 5 without chapter 4 completion data, it shows Triple Nigger would've done the walking part in my stead if I wasn't there.
>>4062373>calling them regulars instead of lurkers
>>4062726He's right, though, in this case he's referring to people that post in other threads on the board, not lurkers.
What's currently the most schizophrenic theory that has a sliver of plausibility? Amalgamate Knight?
>>4062593Shutta's album going from gray to blue makes me believe in this theory.
>>4062724Skies forever blue is about (you) and Noelle, Kris does not matter. Not sure how people watch it and come to the latter conclusion.The point would be that she would be putting you in your place and removing your FREEDOM out of spite for failing to provide it to her, not out of lovely doey feelings for Kris.
>>4062667>her, shehttps://youtu.be/NIGaf2x2uJc
>>4062731Noelle isn't that strong to deny us anything. She's going to be used up and discarded, the greatest living show is her song.
>>4062733This is 4chan, we don't get triggered over pronouns. Reddit is down the hall and to the left.
>>4062737That's not a they/them tranny, that's a Kris self-inserter seething because that makes Krusie and Kriselle into yuri ships when he's the manliest man who ever manned.
>>4062735You made her stronger in aborted, then you pussied out. There will be consequences
>>4062729Amalgalmknight has anything but plausibility it's 100% hype moments and aura and 0% logic
>>4062739That post I was replying to was about the full on 7B, no?
>>4062708Someone else that wasn't us being in control of the Soul is more plausible without worming into T.E. nonsense
>>4062743No, it wasn't. I'm a retard that can't read. Please ignore my retardation.
>>4062654>Susie is literally a replacement for Krissusie is a replacement for dess, her missing sisterits why she likes pre-character development susie so much; she's a monstrous shit who bullies kris like dess used to. susie needs kris to be at the festival because she lacks any real confidence/social skills and has spent almost every waking hour of the last few days taking direct commands from kris. noelle needs kris around so she can try reliving the past of them hanging out. in the weird route she abandons the idea of chasing after dess and instead decides to become dess; or at the very least what she thinks defines dess as a monster. the yurislop is just surface value and the reason why a lot of people think it's forced bullshit when there's plot details that don't involve smashing clams.
>>4062729I'm out of the loop. What are the current big theories?
>>4062729alphys knight for sure
>>4062738Same thing if you get triggered over pronouns.
>>4062729Kris is also Gaster's creation, and was meant to be based on CharaThe tapes you find in True Lab were used by Gaster himself to learn about Chara and Asriel. Hence the constant parallels between Kris and CharaAlso the legend of Deltarune was based on the same Gerson tells you in UndertaleYes, it's just more of simulation theory
>>4062737>>4062738>>4062749Do we really have to go through this again?In this house, Kris is a boy. End of story.
>>4062729either noelle knight or second hero kriswhy do i say that? because one or both of them would cause 90% of the fanbase to have a schizo meltdown of their own if trueevery other theory would be much more accepted as a whole
>>4062750is undertale assumed to be the "real" world in simulation/device theories?
>>4062754I think soI honestly don't know much about device theory, so I don't know if you the player was meant to be someone from a higher reality than in Undertale
>>4062748The point i find the most interesting about Alphys knight it ties to reverse Undertale (which i 100% believe) beeing that you meet her at the beginning of Hotland in Undertale and the knight appears at the end of TV World.I don't believe in Alphys knight theory but i find that detail curious
I miss him bros.......
Reverse Undertale is such a crackpot theory, it doesn't make any sense and I don't get why people keep peddling it
>>4062753Not sure if I understand Noelle Knight. Wouldn't she bring it up in her CH5 WR breakdown?
>>4062760I say i believe in it because so far its' absolutely true but it could go to shit at any moment
>>4062757Considering she was Gaster's replacement in UT, I wonder if she has any ties to his shenanigans here even if she's not the Knight.
I like reverse undertale in principle but how is the holiday house going to be like the ruins? Not to mention that Carol doesn't show up in the name list so who is going to be the mother figure?
>>4062761the idea presently is that when acting as the knight she's heavily disassociated/ believing that she's dreaming noelle having a dissociative disorder has been implied since ch2 and confirmed in ch5 weird
>>4062765The place could easily be the icy ruins of the ice palace or something like that
>>4062760When you compare the locations between Undertale and Deltarune, it becomes more and more apparent it's something Toby has been doing intentionally>>4062765Toriel's home and the ruins will be considered two separate locations. So Holiday Manor = Toriel's home, and the shelter = ruins
>>4062768and what about chapter 5 is related to snowdin exactly? this feels like an old theory where everyone thought the world would freeze over during the festivalnah this is just plain schizophrenic nonsense
>>4062769
>>4062770Also, Flowery and Papyrus are both bosses who explicitly DON'T kill you in their fights.
>>4062768if this is true, could it be the first example of chiastic structure/ring composition in videogames?i only know about this due to a dumb star wars video lol
>>4062768>>4062770if deltarune is just undertale 2, why didn't toby just name it undertale 2?why pretend that this was his fever dream game he's always wanted to make when it clearly has been completely spiritually corrupted by undertale?
>>4062760>>4062762at the very least, deltarune HEAVILY matches the aesthetic/design choices of undertale going in reverse.
>>4062777Ironically though, calling it Undertale 2 will make it even more confusing, because it's gonna make you think that the story is a continuation of True Pacifist ending when it's notI think it's more accurate that Deltarune is Undertale Zero if you believe the whole game being a prequel to Undertale because of Sans
>>4062777>why pretend that this was his fever dream game he's always wanted to make when it clearly has been completely spiritually corrupted by undertalundertale was the first city you build in sim city to fund the second city you build (delatrune)
>>4062783Gamers have no conception of prototyping, if toby tried to make something this sprawling as his first real game attempt it would be almost assuredly dogshit. You can't bypass experience even with great talent.Also there are no pretensions of DR being standalone
>>4062770ohok maybe uhmaybe there's something to it then
You cannot dispute this.
>>4062770If your theory is true, predict multiple things that will happen in chapter 6 using this logic.
>>4062792You're right i can't
When we get to Castle Town in ch6, the first thing I'm doing is going to the cafe and filling it with Kawkaws
>>4062671Why do you guys add the prophecy panel to that image if it isn't part of the cutscene? Do you really think Love finds its way to the girl is that cutscene? really? Toby Fox the guy that loves double meaning and misdirecting who "the girl" actually is?
>>4062792>You cannot dispute this.Have you considered picrel?
>>4062801I'm really curious about how the chapter 5 recruits will work.Enemies like the Floradinns can't survive in Castle Town. Either they'll start wilting or we'll never get the chance to have them in our Castle Town. I feel like the enemy cafe was there in chapter 5 since things will go wrong before we can visit castle town in chapter 6
>>4062806>Chapter 5 darkners have a handwavey reason to not be able to be in castle town>Shit will get serious, no more tumblr sexyman adventuresIt is not looking good castle bros
>>4062795>The dark world will be the ruins of an ice palace>The boss will be CarolThat's the obvious shit. The rest will probably be small references and i have no clue what the secret boss could be if there is one
>>4062805BASED
>>4062810>i have no clue what the secret boss could beThe FRIEND pack kills the egg man and we fight the cats
>>4062810>i have no clue what the secret boss could be if there is oneit could also be seam i guess
This wasn't about the aborted lake, this was about chapter 4. Noelle was excited to talk to Kris alone while Susie waited in the sofa, and Kris hair was all wet afterwards... guess he got a bit sweaty.Chapter 5 Noelle never had a moment alone with Kris, so instead of imagining Susie's memories leaking from weird route to normal chapter 5, its more plausible that Kris wet hair thing was during chapter 4. Susie doesn't even comment about Kris being wet when she does the "Zorgon Mode" thing where she helps him to walk.Besides the sex joke references, maybe that color inversion that happened in the room is akin to making a dark world, and you know, fountains are wet.
>>4062806We have the sprite for what their related building would be though. So unless Toby changed his mind or is doing something weird they should be fine, at least initially anyways.
>>4062729
>>4062747The only new theories are amalgamate knight and tranny Ralsei. Dess Knight and Noelle/Susie hero swap are still dominant.
>>4062814Fuck i can see it
>>4062806But nothing says the floral-adjacent Darkners are living plants like the flowers, and if they were, they all would've been taking individual human forms rather than uniform generic appearances.The Floradinns could be hanafuda cards or floral bookmarks, Netskies are probably plastic or something, Leaflings are just dead leaves, Shinobeetles could unironically be Beatles CDs, and the mantises might be decorative fake bugs.
>>4062673>How would (you) be witnessing the flashback?Not a flashback in the literal sense, chapter 6 simply happens before chapter 1.
>>4062679>It's puzzling that the cart has signs of damage which means it has been used beforeAnd it has seen a few crashes too. Maybe Kris was playing with it? Or is it alluding to a timeloop, as in, the cage has failed a lot of times?
>>4062828It can't. The soul entered the world in chapter 1. For us to see those events it has to be a flashback.
>>4062805Utterly Gasterpilled.
>>4062831It entered the world in chapter 1 from our perspective. Who's to say that it entered during chapter 1 from theirs?After all, the bloodstain was already in Kris's room
>>4062835The soul and player perspective is the same. The idea the soul is a separate character is retarded.
>>4062837Until it put Kris and Susie off screen to change clothes and made you watch the suselle shite
Initially I didn't believe in femkris because that would royally piss off 95% of Toby's audience, but he has said more than once that he doesn't give a fuck about that as long as a handful of people still believe in his vision. I'm beginning to re-consider my conceptions about the game.
>>4062837The soul isn't (Us); we're sitting in front of a monitor pressing buttons. It's our cursor.
>>4062729>What's currently the most schizophrenic theory that has a sliver of plausibility?By people in general? Amalgaknight of courseBut I can come up with something that is plausible and is even more schizophrenic. Deltarune is just a simulation to make the strongest hero/heroes possible to defeat an evil beyond time and space, there have been countless Kris, Noelles and Susies failing over and over because they bicker about dating with eachother and not caring about the true objective (they don't even know about it, actually). Ralsei and dark worlds are actually eternal and don't care about real world time or in what timeloop you currently are, Ralsei has experienced it countless times himself, that's why he's so afraid of diverging from the prophecy and also knows all about it. Ralsei doesn't know anything that happens in the light world, being a darkner, so he only has a vague idea that bringing Noelle along or doing stuff with her in the real world is a bad idea.The evil being timeless and independant of in-game time and chapter is referenced by the lines "Even when the clock ran back, the shadow grew serpentine", Deltarune is running in a simulation over and over and the evil is outside this simulation, growing and growing no matter how many loops happen.This would justify the obsession with getting stronger, be it via weird route shenanigans and by the twisted sword/mantle references. In the end nothing matters if you aren't strong enough to defeat the true villain, the evil festering under the town.And that's why Toby said there was a game releasing with the exact same plot as his game (it did release a few years after he said that), but I'm not gonna name it because its a huge spoiler.
>>4062848Can you at least give me the first letter of the name of the game you're mentioning? Spoiler it if you want
>>4062841There's been zero explanation given as to why all the FemKris evidence exists. The way the prophecy is phrased is utterly bizarre and only makes sense if it was purposely done to allow it. FemKris sounds preposterous, but there's no other explanation for this shit.
>>4062850>there's no other explanation for this shit.What about what Toby said in the last newsletter >However, I do think it’s important to mention, sometimes you don’t have all the information, or I had a different expectation about how certain info would be interpreted or combined.
>>4062831>The soul entered the world in chapter 1False, the soul entered the world during gonermaker. You don't know when exactly that happened, it could have been during the demon summoning thing Kris did (it wasn't on chapter 1 mind you), it could have been before the incident (you know he needs a soul to close the fountain right)
>>4062850Really the only convincing evidence against FemKris that people can come up with is "Would Toby dare this day and age?"
>>4062850Couldn't you explain all of that shit because he wants Kris to be le ebin enbyIt would also explain why he makes Kris wear both female and male clothes in his ACTs
>>4062849The spoiler doesn't really ruin the game but its a huge spoiler that recontextualizes the entire game and comes out from nowhere. Its kind of a game that relies in not knowing whats actually happening to keep you engaged just like Deltarune, and the story itself gets recontextualized at least 3 times before the end. Astlibra
>>4062853After the scene with the flowers (you know the one), there's no doubt on my mind that his tranny team would genuinely try to kill him if he confirmed FemKris.
>>4062857Can you just skip that scene it sucks
>>4062852Either way, (You) aren't the sole controller of the soul and thus you aren't the sole hijacker of Kris, because you didn't become active until chapter 1, yet he's been battering his soul in the cage for a long time prior to chapter 1, implying lash-outs when the soul made Kris do something that REALLY pissed him off, like how he blows up in WR 4.
>>4062858All cafe conversations are optional
>>4062856>spoilerOh shit, I had that game on my backlog. Guess it's finally time to play it.
The Soul is Kris's Soul, there was no other entity controlling the Soul besides Kris before you showed up. You then show up and take control of Kris's Soul, also changing it to red in the process.
>>4062860Haven't you heard? If you don't see everything your save is bricked or something.
>>4062859>you didn't become active until chapter 1You have no proof of this though, we were active during gonermaker, not during chapter 1. You aren't implying gonermaker happened while Kris was sleeping and the soul got snatched instantly while Toriel was trying to wake him up right?
>>4062855Why is the second hero "girl, with hope crossed on her heart" instead of "monster, with hope crossed on her heart"? The first version means there are two separate characters both only referred to as "girl", which is ridiculous.The enby shit doesn't explain why Lancer refers to Kris as a wife and why a lesbian and a straight guy are in love with them.
>>4062848so what's big g's involvement in all this?
>>4062851FemKris is so obscure it doesn't exist outside of 4chan. There's zero logic for him to address it in a newsletter.
>>4062866Easy answer is that he's that evil brewing under the lake but then it wouldn't make sense why he's the one who brings (You) to the game (Unless he's Gokupilled and wants someone strong to fight him)
>>4062866Made the Deltarune simulation and set it running to grind you guys to max level
>>4062865>The first version means there are two separate characters both only referred to as "girl", which is ridiculous.Anon we literally have two confirmed female party members, it's clearly referring to Susie and Noelle, and there's probably some weird switching going on around.>The enby shit doesn't explain why Lancer refers to Kris as a wife and why a lesbian and a straight guy are in love with them.If you treat enby as the wild card of genders then it does explain it.
>>4062867It occasionally breaks containment here and there
>>4062869What a shit simulation he madeParty members that heal the enemy, unskippable cuck scenes that bleed into every aspect of the gameA hub world that was blatantly unfinishedLack of natural progressDragon Quest 4 was also a chapter based rpg. No excuse for deltarune to be this shite.
>>4062864Okay, you pedantic fuck, I meant we didn't get to control Kris for the first time until he woke up at the start of chapter 1.Yet, in that unknowable time gap between gonermaker and Kris waking up, there's implied history of Kris beating up his soul to the point of a fucking bloodstain that Toriel has long stopped caring about.That can't be MY actions, because my DEVICE did a massive fucking time jump between "your name is" and "Kris!". Therefore, it has to be ANOTHER hijacker's actions in the unknowable gap, and it likewise explains why the soul, who's supposed to be ME, does things on its own without MY input, and why despite having it with him at various points, we can get timegapped with unknowable in-betweens even during ongoing chapters, like how Kris didn't actually need ME to be there for the sealing of TV World and we ONCE AGAIN skip forward to Kris waking up.
>>4062869Kek imagine if Deltarune was all about grinding to defeat some big bad and the characters all insist on acting like Undertale retards sparing and hugging each other. It'd make sense that Gaster would be excited for a player to finally try to defeat the Knight.That would be a massive "reverse-subversion" that even Toby wouldn't think about. "Stop being faggots you're in an actual rpg, KILL those monsters goddamnit"
>>4062870>it's clearly referring to Susie and NoelleI agree that's the intention, so why isn't the second hero referred to as monster? Why did the prophecy use a specifically more confusing wording?
>>4062873>What a shit simulation he madeThe simulation works, the problem are the characters being made on top of Undertale characters, making them into pacifist retards, as >>4062875 put it
>>4062877It doesn't work you cannot attack anymoreIt gave you a weapon you cannot use
>>4062869Endgame is where we're supercharged from the recruits we LOST
>>4062868or get this, he wants to fucking die but he can't do it himself. whatever happened to him turned his ass into an unwilling, destructive, ever expanding force.that would be some sweet toby on-brand melodrama i think
>>4062876>Why did the prophecy use a specifically more confusing wording?Because it's made to be confusing. You need proof? Look at the Flower Man panel, it was confusing even on a meta level since the filename for that particular name had "boss" in the name, and it showed Asgore as the main figure, but the chapter 5 boss turned out to be Flowery, who is also a flower man.
>>4062876To blindsight you with Human Dess
>>4062885Okay, so why is the second hero panel purposely confusing in a way that allows for her to not be a monster? It it alluding to human Dess, like the other anon is saying?
>>4062886Can't believe Asriel fell for a human girl, again.
>>4062875>>4062877>>4062878It's not just about getting stronger, it's about doing the impossible by combining True Pacifist DETERMINATION with Genocide DETERMINATION, despite the fact the two are fundamentally incompatible and mutually exclusive.Narrative power doesn't mean shit if your enemy can overrule you (Knight telling Flowery to piss off despite his hopes, dreams and power of friendship), and raw power doesn't mean shit if your enemy faces you in a non-combat scenario (which Knight ALSO does to get out of the risk of being beaten in Ch3).
>>4062878Actually has there been a moment where Kris DOESN'T attack? At most he's reduced his damage
>>4062881Endgame is where we're supercharged from the recruits we pacified and killed while they were asleep*
Speaking of non-combat scenarios, I wonder if there's a narrative reason as to why you could run away from battles in Undertale but you can't do so in Deltarune.
>>4062890Flowery
>>4062894No he still attacks there
>>4062882Yeah that sounds possible too
>>4062893Because that hack writer remember when the mad dummy punished you for running and did that for the whole gameI hope a conservative replaces him
>>4062887I already told you, because it does make it more confusing, you say girl without specifying anything, and it makes it more confusing. Let me put it this way, yes, it is confusing enough that it could lead you to think about femkris, or human Dess, and that means it is doing it's job, because it's job is to be confusing, but it doesn't mean that femkris or human Dress is a guarantee, and if you do that, look at the flower man panel again and remember all the people who thought Asgore was gonna be a boss.I don't think you're insane for thinking about a hypothetical femkris scenario but I do think you're being irrational by thinking that a deliberately confusing piece of information being shown in chapter 4 means that your hypothetical scenario has been proven beyond any doubts.
>>4062887Real answer: the player is meant to see Ralsei's abridged ass prophecy 20 minutes after opening the surprise game that is totally not Undertale 2, so the pairing of Human hero and Monster hero sounds like a hopeful outlook for monster and humans' relationship in the world of Deltarune.
>>4062893Same reason as for why Toby refuses to add a second page to the settings menu.
>>4062900So, because he's an incompetent moron?
>>4062901Yes, mostly.
>>4062875>Gaster would be excited for a player to finally try to defeat the Knight.Wouldn't make much sense, with that being entirely possible without grinding.>"Stop being faggots you're in an actual rpg, KILL those monsters goddamnit"Why would Toby ever go THAT far? He clearly wants people to stop taking Undertale's message as "please be nice to video game characters", but that doesn't mean he wants people to be mean to video game characters just because of the genre they're in.
Mooooom the trannies are taking Cheese theory and applying it to Susie instead of Kris!!!She steals everything, Susie surely is a bully!!!
>>4062777technically, undertale is an AU of deltarune. so it makes sense for the two names to be an anagram.
>>4062893Because in a game where you can't level up, it's easiest just to run from everything and that's what people would do in UndertaleHe wants you to have to actually engage with the battles
>>4062729Fetus Ralsei
Where's graze challenge 2 you piece of shit How did people defend this>>4062903That piece of shit has no right to tell people they're evil for stomping on goombas that bite. Games aren't supposed to be propaganda, because only an idiot would let a video game tell them how to think.
>>4062907I fucking love fetus Ralsei theory
>>4062908He doesn't tell people they're evil for jumping on goombas.
>>4062908The complete neglect of the dojo hurts me so much because the enemy rush in chapter 2 was so fun
>>4062908How can people misunderstand Undertale this much? the game has been out for over 10 years.The only time the game calls you evil is if you go out of your way to seek people to kill. If you do a run where you kill every monster you run into the game doesn't call you evil except for some characters who get mad because you killed their friends (crazy i know)
>>4062904I really don't care much about shipping anymore, I just hope it doesn't take up too much screentime. Whatever happens, happens, I'm probably not gonna end up liking whatever romance bullshit that's gonna be featured in the last chapters unless Toby throws a real curveball, but I have come to terms with it for the most part. My real hope lies with 7B, since I do believe it will be a chapter not plagued by shipping bullshit, besides maybe some Kriselle at the beginning, but I like Kriselle, so I don't mind.
>>4062912Considering some unused encounters (i.e. Zapper & Swatchling) he probably had some ideas in store but held back for whatever reason
>>4062907Fetusei is kino. I've though of a less edgy version he's a Titan spawn to which Dess and/or Asriel projected the idea of what their child would be like if they had one
>>4062913>How can people misunderstand Undertale this much?There's a large demographic of people who are militantly anti-literate. They actively dislike the prospect of asking questions of the media they like, even if it's just to reinforce the tropes they like and not to subvert them. Undertale having a generally positive tone to its writing when you're nice to characters paired with questioning the true purpose of your actions in a game drove these people utterly nuts.
>>4062913>mad dummy attacks, punishes you for avoiding conflict, punishes you for acting, punishes you for not doing anything >proceeds to describe monster souls as full of love and compassionThere's nothing to misunderstand really. Undertale's morality is bullshit.>>4062912>game calls you a remorseless criminal for killing someone said character didn't even see or know
>>4062909>>4062916I doesn't contradict anything we know, but I don't really believe fetus Ralsei since it has nothing meta about it.
>>4062898You seem to be arguing that Toby specifically put in the FemKris clues as a red herring, just like the Asgore flower man panel. Do you honestly believe that?
>>4062827floradinns are flower seeds, netskies are small tree stumps, leaflings are leaves on sticks
>>4062913>The only time the game calls you evil is if you go out of your way to seek people to killEven in that scenario it only makes sense if it's taken entirely in-universe, if it's actually meant to be the author telling the player that they're evil, then this argument falls apart unless the author also admits they're complicit in this evil. Imagine kidnapping and locking someone up and giving a random person two choices, either skin the kidnapped person alive, or give them a million dollars and set them free. If the person chose to skin them alive, you could make the argument that the person is evil, but you would also have to recognize that the kidnapper is evil to, for having created the situation in the first place, completely disregarding of the potential negative consequences that could affect the kidnapped person.
>>4062918>mad dummy is the game earnestly trying to call you a bad person for how you behaved earlier in the gameNo, it's just looking for an excuse.>proceeds to describe monster souls as full of love and compassionYeah, just like human souls.>game calls you a remorseless criminal for killing someone said character didn't even see or knowWhat the fuck are you talking about? This is going to be another bit where you refuse to understand characters having limited perspective and/or the game telling jokes again, isn't it?
>>4062912I'm still confused about why Toby got rid of the music room. I guess he thought a proper hub location doesn't fit into the story he wants to tell? Dunno but it's a bit odd.
>>4062923>No, it's just looking for an excuse.If that's it, the game shouldn't demand me to bend to the whims of every monster they're clearly not reasonable >What the fuck are you talking about? This is going to be another bit where you refuse to understand characters having limited perspective and/or the game telling jokes again, isn't it?Undyne calls you a remorseless criminal if you killed Toriel and only Toriel, despite the fact that she shouldn't know who that is
>>4062922Yeah, that whole complex of complaints that goes like this is such bullshit.>Toby Fox made a game where you could do xyz because he didn't want you to do any of it and thinks you're evil for doing it
>>4062810>>4062765Remember that room in the Ruins where it's got dramatic music as you run through it?Remember how Noelle has Icee in her basement?Yeah it's gonna chase us ultimate-chimera style while this playshttps://youtu.be/AT5gL7HsYVc
>>4062925>this monster is being unreasonable therefore the game shouldn't be allowed to have any monster react negatively to me killing any other monster!Nope, try again.>UndyneIs once again looking for an excuse.
No video game can tell me how to think, it just doesn't work on meSo I don't see the point in botheringYou're gonna tell a dragon quest fan that they shouldn't fight monsters and get experience, they're gonna hate your guts
>>4062920Femkris is as plausible as Human Dess, which is to say they are not plausible at all because it uses circular logic to consider information we have about the characters as incorrect as its starting point.Kris is not a girl nor a boy. Dess is a reindeer monster. Both of those statement are true and you have no reason to question them.
>>4062928If they are looking for excuses to kill me, thengame shouldn't demand I play pacifist at any point.
>Undertale LITERALLY markets itself as the friendly RPG where no one has to die>"FUCK YOU THEY'LL DIE IF I WANT THEM TO AND I SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR IT WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED THE HAPPIEST ENDING AFTER KILLING THOSE CUNTS"
>>4062931Nor should the fambase be going after actual children and telling them that they have to play pacifist and not kill the monsters who would not hesitate to kill little kids like them if they got the chance
>>4062931The game does not demand you play pacifist. The fact that there's no real in-universe reason to show mercy is noted in pacifist. It's taken as a sign of altruism that this doesn't matter to Frisk.>>4062929Undertale does not claim that the party shouldn't fight monsters in a regular RPG.
>>4062933>BUT WHAT IF A REAL CHILD FALLS INTO A REAL FANTASY WORLD WITH MONSTERSThen I hope they do their due diligence and check whether the monsters are intelligent or friendly rather than assuming they're not and making unnecessary enemies.
>>4062932>>"FUCK YOU THEY'LL DIE IF I WANT THEM TO AND I SHOULD BE REWARDED FOR IT WHY AM I NOT ALLOWED THE HAPPIEST ENDING AFTER KILLING THOSE CUNTS"
>>4062920I think Toby meant Kris to be non-binary/gender ambiguous and to showcase this had Kris have some feminine elements in their character, in addition to masculine elements too, which, if taken with the deliberately confusing prophecy panels, could lead someone to potentially consider femkris as a possibility, even if this wasn't necessarily Toby's intention.This is what I believe.
>>4062932>Deltarune markets itself as a game where your choices don't matter>They do matter and you're still not allowed to attack people
>>4062925Anon Undyne thinks all humans are evil by default. It's part of her arc that she stops believing that if you become her friend. The game can't make that more clear when this is what she says after you save her lost soul in the Asriel fighthttps://files.catbox.moe/kk4e9y.png
>>4062937>retarded opinion>chad yes dot jpeg
>>4062940spoken like a true cop
>>4062918>Using the character where you're REQUIRED to HURT them using their own magic???
hey guys how's-HOLY SHIT what's on this thing?
>>4062922I think it is very obviously meant to be taken in-universe. It's the characters calling you evil (because you are evil IN the game) Actually calling someone actually evil for playing a video game is retarded
>>4062939You're allowed, your choice to attack is just rendered pointless in various ways depending on context.
>>4062934It's sequel did. It also took the time to spit on party tactics and the concept of an rpg party and monster collecting by punishing you for a single mistake and it didn't let you attack its most recent boss at all.
This plot point gets completely dropped for chapters 2-4 until the Titan fight all because Toby wanted to make Ralsei continue to be the soft uwu boy.Susie became nice, Ralsei should've at least toughened up A LITTLE but instead he just double downs and wants to recruit everyone
>>4062943BUT I WANT TO KILL THEMIT'S KILL OR BE KILLED AND THEY TRIED TO KILL MEREEEEEEEEEE
>>4062931As the other anon said, the game doesn't demand that you play pacifist.Again, i have no idea how people can misunderstand such a simple game so badly
>>4062943You aren't actually hurting Mad Dummy though, you're just roughing up the dummy that's being possessed, and MD hasn't fused with it either.Monster magic basically does no danage to monsters which is why they literally send bullet pattern greeting cards to each other, otherwise the other monsters would give you shit for it.
>>4062942kek
Female Kris is cool but I think Kris's gender having any relevance to the plot is extremely lame.
>>4062947Deltarune doesn't demand you play pacifist either.Having a party does not mean having more obedient pawns to act out "turns". It means having multiple characters. Who can act as the plot demands.It let you attack him, it didn't let you defeat him violently, because he had a specific fate coming regardless.
>>4062949I will ruin your life if you subvert dragon quest>>4062950Misunderstanding has nothing to do with it. It's a game, I play it for my own fun, not for "the message". Get your propaganda out of here. You don't get to tell me how to think about my entertainment.
>>4062954Dq5 fixed this issue 30 years ago on the super famicom, no forced pacifism required.
>>4062955Undertale doesn't tell you how to think, it just tries to get you to ask yourself why you think that. It's fine with you continuing to think the way you do, so long as you have good internal logic for it."That's how it's always been done" is not good internal logic for anything, and I think you're mad because of how hard Undertale and Deltarune point that out.
>have a friend that fully believes that susie's plotline is actually about breaking the prophecy and not that she's too lost in the sauce to be able to do anything about it>most of the larger fandom probably thinks like this as welli think its interesting how this is probably the only place that gets into deep enough discussions to call out obvious plot threads like this.at least when we're not schizoing out.
>>4062956I'm going to assume that's the first game you played where something happens in a battle that isn't strictly just some new move or maybe at most a dialog box popping up in a battle that otherwise plays by 100% gameplay rules.
>>4062954then let me fight flowery if his fate is already sealedralsei knows flowery's gonna die, susie deserves to know it (remember when ralsei said no more secrets? me neither!)no one cares about the opinions of a dead man walking and kris gets the shelter code anyway so you dont need flowery to tell susie shit
why do we keep coming back here to say the same things and expecting a different answer?
>>4062962Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?
>>4062960You can fight him. You can't win by fighting him. Big difference.
>>4062963What's insanity? Is that a drink?
>>4062912>>4062924His laziness is going to ruin the tragic moment where Castle Town closesI feel nothing for that place because it's such a mess
>>4062958Toby is doing a good job of fooling casual players. He's done a ton of hinting that the ending won't be what they expect, but it'll still catch them off guard.
>>4062962It always happened but this time it happened in record time since Chapter 6 was a nothingburger and we have a 1 year long wait ahead of us after it.
So I was taking a look at the Jackenstein mazes again and they're obviously the places where dark worlds have been opened. There's one thing though, there are only 6 places that are obviously dark world spots, one that is obviously just the chapter select thing, and two ominous ones.I'll let the image do the talking.
>>4062964steam blurb says i can fight OR spareflowery forces me to spareother chapters let me fight OR sparetitan has every good reason to fight-only it literally can't comprehend mercy, and establishes stakes of the roaringbut here comes spare-only flowery faggot, toby literally lying to your face and laughing as he takes your money, i want my refund and a lawsuit for false advertising
>>4062959No, but that's the game that made a tactics menu, for what you want your party members to do in battle if you don't want to control their actions They kept it in every game to come after for a reasonSo you wouldn't have your party members healing the enemy without your consent
>>4062971>if I can't win by doing this then the game isn't letting me do it
>>4062740Queen showing THREE lightners becoming one when she says that she'll just make "another" still lives rent free in my head. Her wording was too vague that it feels like it was on purpose. And she's the only one who insisted on using the word "determination" as the power to make the Dark Worlds.
>>4062972So not even that, just the first game you played where you saw something other than an enemy act without your permission, and you were only okay with it because you had to deliberately turn it on first.
>>4062973if i get deadlocked becauss i cant lower flowerys hp faster than my cuntbag party members heal him yes, the game isnt letting me win the battle by fightingwhy even have weapons if you deadlock me for using them
>>4062966>His laziness is going to ruin the tragic moment where Castle Town closesI think this can also be applied to some of the characters, at least for me. I expect Ralsei and/or Susie to undergo something tragic, but I just cannot see myself giving a shit about it. I felt bad for Ralsei during his speech in chapter 4 after the prophecy panel gets broken, but after 5 I just can't see myself giving a shit about anything bad that happens to him, or Susie.
>>4062954>Deltarune doesn't demand you play pacifist either.you've forgotten Ralsei's moralfagging about mercy in ch1, ch2 ralsei telling you to recruit people by sparing them and characters getting passive-aggressive if you dont spare shit like chaos king or the NPCs that desperately beg you to recruit péople, along with gatelocking the castle town content behind pacifism and acting smug about it (jigsawjoe literally tells you straight up in ch5 "heh, sorry chud, but the dojo is for pacifists ONLY!"), dont pretend it doesn't demand you to play pacifist, the fact that toby made it so that titan spawns "accidentally" get jackenstein killed in ch5 if you FIGHT the titan spawns before patching it out later to save face goes to show how moralfaggy toby has gotten as of late.
>>4062927Toby stop posting on a vietnamese basket weaving forum and finish the gameI see it happening
>>4062975Yes. Optiona. Options. Are good.
>>4062955oh my god bruh why can't you fuck off you nutcasewtf happened in your life that makes you crave so much attention? u could have started working on your dream rpg with all the time you have burned going in circles
>>4062970I missed the fact that the bathroom in Dreemurs Household is connected to the alternative exit, like how Kris leaves during the ending of chapter 2 to slash the tires.
Amalgamate-knight is what Tobias talked about in the newsletter. It's debunked.
>>4062977>why even have weapons if you deadlock me for using themBecause you can use them in other battles? i don't get what you mean. You are acting as if the fight command got completely removed from the game because some fights can't be beaten by fighting
>>4062871whenever it does it was done by an anon in disguise because they use the same arguments if there are any outside supporters, they know to keep quiet about it
>>4062978I kind of feel like that with Noelle too. I don't really feel that bad about her in the weird route when she's the most boring character imaginable in the regular route
>>4062984too obscure. my bet is on holidayknight and trans ralsei.asrielfags and "knight is an oc" fags are still in the race. god i hope it's not the latter.
>>4062957>it just tries to get you to ask yourself why you think that. It's fine with you continuing to think the way you do, so long as you have good internal logic for it.nta, but it's simple, its a videogame, i can tell the difference between fiction and reality, and thus, i'm aware that im not evil just because i do stuff in a videogame! i wouldn't do videogame things irl because im not stupid.simple yet flawless logic, i've yet to see a videogame be able to break this logic, which it cant because it's pretty damn obvious.
>>4062729Prophesy being fake or being forced to happen.
>>4062970What do you mean by "bricks that appear in kris dark worlds and spamton's shop"?
>>4062979Ralsei's attitude on mercy in ch1 was addressed to the people who acted that way about Undertale, and him realizing that indiscriminate mercy isn't a moral obligation by the end was meant to put it to bed. The rest is the game being consistent in what mercy is used for, it indicates whether you want to be friendly, and if you don't want to be friendly then characters go away.The Titan Spawn making Jackenstein die was a bug.
>>4062982Deltatune ripped me off, that's what happened. I can't make my dream rpg because I can't compose music and because I don't have a cult to worship whatever I do like Robert did right out of the gate.
>>4062985what other battlesgeneric darkners that aren't satisfying? aqua and aqua+seth?cant fight green+orangegame crashed when fighting blue+yellow before toby cope patched because he didnt think anyone would remember that he said IN HIS OWN WORDS that you can fight or spare to win battlescant fight pinkso many fucking spare-onlys, theres no point in having a fight button if everyone just goes "no, this is wholesome chungus mercy game" anywayfucking stupid, i want my time and money back after you lied to me about what deltarune is in 2018
>>4062958Not even just Susie i dunno how a player doesn't see how no matter what a character does we're just fucked anyway.>Everything prior still happened regardless of the fate of a character.>Ralsei refused to use Fireshock and not only did it not change shit but he also used it anyways>Flowery tried to cheat his stats and it didn't work at all>Weird Route (Aborted) literally putting shit back to how its supposed to beNobody's been able to beat the inevitable
>>4062992You get no reward for attacking anymore
>>4062988Amalgamate-knight is the biggest new post chapter 5 theory. Toby has to be talking either about that or Dess Knight, and there's no way the latter is false.
>>4062922>>4062945You gotta give it to Toby, this shit keeps filtering people a decade later and probably won't stop any time soon. It's Kreia all over again.
>>4062989Ok, cool. Undertale doesn't try to challenge this view at all. It asks you why you want to do the things you do in a videogame. Like for instance, "why do you want to kill characters?"
>>4062997There's no reward to being deliberately unfriendly to potential friends, no. It's a choice you can make if you want. That's all it has to be.
>>4062992>The Titan Spawn making Jackenstein die was a bug.I still don't buy that. Chances are Toby only "fixed" it due to the pushback, just like it happened with the cake on chapter 4.
>>4063000kek
>>4062996Really makes me wonder whether 7b is doomed to fail as well somehow. Horrors beyond human comprehension from the game twisting itself to patch up your sabotage would be sick. I haven't seen anyone discussing this
>>4062988Asrielknight is the worst outcome and it's not even closeWE ALREADY HAD A GAME ABOUT ASRIELbut there's nothing to worry about, it breaks the golden rule of deltarune being that a significant character in Undertale cannot be important in Deltarune
>>4062969>since Chapter 6 was a nothingburgerwe have a time traveler here guys!
>>4063002It's pointless to ask, you're never gonna change my mind because I'm not falling for that shit.
>>4062991Kris is autistically obsessed with this misaligned brick pattern and timed puzzles in his dark worlds, stuff that doesn't show up at all in chapter 2 and 4.I forgot where the bricks showed up in chapter 3 but I think it was in the zelda minigame.Even the goddamn trees show a similar "pattern" of looking like misaligned bricks.
>>4062992>and him realizing that indiscriminate mercy isn't a moral obligation by the end was meant to put it to bed....before proceeding to start doing the same shit by healing flowery.>The rest is the game being consistent in what mercy is used for, it indicates whether you want to be friendly, and if you don't want to be friendly then characters go away.that doesn't disprove the fact that the game clearly wants you to spare enemies, however...?the ch5 jigsawjoe dialogue if you didnt do pacifist is as plain obvious as it can be about wanting to do pacifist.
>>4063002and its gonna be the same answer everytime, spec ocs failed at it, so will utdr.
>>4063006Toby's a huge OFF fanboy too, he'd totally take the shot to have Secretary-like enemies so he can one-up Omega Flowey and the Amalgamates.
>>4063010Also now that I said it, the bricks in jackenstein map might be just be a generic basement/dungeon brick pattern like the ones in castle town, they don't really look like Kris's ones.
>>4063009The game isn't trying to get you to change your mind unless you yourself realize the way you think doesn't logically line up when you ask the questions. Your defensiveness over the very idea implies you think the way you think is logically flawed enough to be under threat if you ever ask a question.
>>4063000Games are meant to be finished from beginning to end. You cant have filters if you want the game to sell. That's a scam.
>>4062999amalgamknight is a total crack theory that i don't even think the biggest supporters actually believe not to mention it's just a needlessly complex version of noelle knight with a dash of kris knight just cut the fat and you have noelle knight, which most people refuse to consider because noelle's a heccen innocent doe being bullied by mean ol' krismas
>>4062984He was definitely talking about trans ralsei.He felt the need to let people down carefully. This implies that having a misconception about something could be overall deterimentalIf people are wrong about Kriselle Knight, it doesn't matterBut if people are expecting some big gender reveal where Ralsei becomes a girl and they don't get that, they'll riot.Toby was just trying to say that Ralsei's a shapeshifter and Asgore wishes he'd be more honest with his true form, but that's put people on the completely wrong path
>>4062993move on then. if i sense something ain't for me i just switch to something else lol. not whine like a baby that it's not what i want.>I can't compose musicuse royalty free stuff. tons of doujin devs do this.>I don't have a cult to worship whatever I dostop giving a fuck about what other people think. this is exactly how toby operates. man couldn't care less if he comes across as cringe or if he makes the fans angry.god youre such a loser, dude.
>>4063010kris didn't make the ch1 fountain, nor the ch2 one
>>4063013What's the answer?>they're an enemy, so they should die.No logic, just "how we've always done things".
>>4063017You can finish a game just fine without fully understanding its themes. As proven by the Undertale community countless times.
>>4063022He didn't, but he and Knight have identical wills, hence Dark World character colors remaining wholly consistent across the entire game aside from Susie's Second Sanctuary.
>>4063022Kris did make the chapter 1 fountain, but not the chapter 2 one.It makes absolutely no sense if the person that made chapter 1 fountain wasn't the same person that made chapter 5 fountain.
>>4063011>Ralsei healed Flowery because he went back to demanding you be nice to everyone indiscriminatelyNo.>the game clearly wants you to spare enemiesThat doesn't disprove the fact that the game clearly isn't asking you to spare enemies on the grounds that it'd be evil to kill them, though...?
>>4063024Then don't demand I "understand" the game. Don't out shit on it designed to piss them off or give them a reason to demand their money back.
>>4063007But the Mother 3 parallels, anon..
>>4063019Honestly that makes sense. People are indeed taking multiple unrelated details (like his description using "they") and combining it into that retardation. I just assumed even the advocates weren't taking it seriously, but the theory seriously picked up steam. It has true believers.
>>4063028Skill issue.
>>4063014>there's chance we might get a Not Safe knockoff in 7BMan... The songs Toby made for the OFF re-release were pretty disappointing but I can't I wouldn't be interested on seeing what he would do with a track like that.
>>4063022>kris didn't make the ch1 fountainExplain to me how ch1 fountain is different from ch5 fountain if the layout is the exact same, with the same autism art therapy trees, with the same type of darkners and puzzles.
>>4063029But that'd make Asriel the Porky, not Masked Man, unless everyone's been lying about Asriel for some reason and he actually ALSO got fucked up during THAT HORRIBLE DAY and was reconstructed into Knight.
>>4063020He doesn't care because he makes money anyway and gets worshipped and makes more money no matter what he does
>>4063026i'd argue it does while the two dark worlds look very similar, they're different enough in specific ways to say that kris didn't make the ch1 fountain one key point is that the card kingdom didn't have a heavy focus on nostalgia and times changing, which is a key part of kris' dark worlds
>>4063016um, wrong anon, >>4062996 (me) is >>4063013 (me)anyhow, my logic is simple, i can do what i want because its a videogame, i choose if they're spared or if they're dead to me, and that's simple.>>4063023the answer is, because it's a fucking videogame, if i want to kill a videogame character, that's that, they attacked me, they scammed me, they attacked a character i like, etc. boom, gone. if i find the character likeable, would bring a good vibe if left alive, can give me what i want, is hot and/or cute, or i simply feel like they are cool, then they can go, pretty simple
So I need to play OFF to be a proper schizo I gather
>>4063035>>4063038
>>4063006That would make a lot of sense with Ralsei's whole>If I don't follow the rules, everything falls apartIt leads to the sort of fucked up freedom that Spamton warns you'd probably be better off killed instead
>>4063040I'm playing it myself right now. I can definitely see how it's affected Toby, hell parts of Undertale are just ripped directly from itI heard people say you should play the freeware version because it has better music so that's what i've been doing
>>4063040You also need to watch Twin Peaks, which Toby is also hugely inspired by.
>>4063040off, mother 3, undertale, and toby's old romhackseverything else is optional
>>4063027>anon ignores the ch5 jigsawjoe dialogue being brought up twice because he knows he can't refute the moralfagginess that reeks of those linesi accept your concession
>>4063040Off isn't that cool its all grey
>>4063036If Flowey was able to play nice for a quite a while despite not even having a soul, DR Asriel being able to manipulate people into thinking he's still a pure and gentle golden boy is within the realm of possibility.
>>4063040I can see what OFF is going for but IMO it doesn't hold up. It comes off as subversive and weird for its own sake. It's not much of a story.
>>4063039fuuck i misclicked >>4062989
>>4063040I'd say it's a must-play as a big inspiration for Toby and exploration of a player-character dynamics but whatever you do make sure to play it with the original music.
>>4063040off, the mother trilogy, brandish, breath of fire, live a livejust play all the rpg's in the snes library and most of the bigger indie rgp's of the 2000's
wasn't there a mod that allowed you to replace the new ost with the original one???
>>4063039>i can do what i want because its a videogame, i choose if they're spared or if they're dead to me, and that's simple.... yeah?? But that still doesn't answer why you want to do the things you do, it only answers why you're allowed to.>because it's a fucking videogameYeah, like I said, that's why you "can", not why you WANT TO.Why are you so focused on the idea that Undertale is trying to make you think about what you "can" do in games?>if I don't like the character I kill them, if I like them I don't kill themThere you go, you have reasons. They're pretty basic reasons, but you have them. Was that really so hard to come up with? Why did that take you three attempts?
>>4063036Well I've seen some schizos theorize Asriel made the Knight with his tears sooo, there might be something there. Maybe not the whole evil empire thing but still.
>>4063045Mother 3 was a bad game.Remember Salsa and how he never got stronger?Remember how you don't get legit psi or currency until halfway through the game? Remember the cutscene final boss? Remember the magypsies?
>>4063052>most of the bigger indie rgp's of the 2000'slike what, exactly?
>>4063038>didn't have a heavy focus on nostalgia and times changingIt had, but in a negative way instead of a positive remembrance way. The kings of the past were overthrown and everyone was bitter about the past being far gone, adapting to the new ways of living.Seam reminisces about his past, the King wants revenge for what happened in the past, and everything is still about Kris's childhood in a way. Its just another side of his past.Its also so identical to chapter 1 that I couldn't believe it was anyone else making the fountain. The main color present in chapter 1 early areas, Tenna's world and chapter 5 is RED, while ch2 and ch4 dark fountains are mostly BLUE. The characters themselves don't change color in these dark worlds, but the main tint present in Kris's dark worlds is too different when compared to ch2 and 4. The scarlet forest, the red carpet and tvs, the pink forest and then the reddish-brown castle. They're always as far as possible from blue.
>>4063056If it released in the West people would have given it shit for being communist propaganda.
>>4063054because it's so obvious that it doesnt need to be explained? when did the concept of choosing to kill characters because they fucking suck and choosing not to because of personal reasons become so obscure?
>>4063056Didn't ask faggot. It's just one of Toby's main influences for DR.
>>4063014>>4063034>7B sends kris and noelle straight into the depths>pillars of light in a hub-world like area>the light pillars send you up into purified versions of the dark worlds. filled to the brim with dark enemies like the titan spawn.>some dark enemies in these worlds attack directly, while most enemies still use the battle box there's a select few that will rock your shit if you're not strong enough>can technically enter the dark worlds in any order, but unless you're really trying to avoid battles you should just do them in chapter order
>>4063058>They're always as far as possible from blue.Then why is Kris blue?
>>4063060I gave it shit thenHow could the earthbound guy make a game like thisI like pretending the game doesn't exist
>>4063052I'd personally add Link's Awakening to that list.
>>4063057big three are yume nikki, off, and cave story maybe some of the horror ones that were popular around 2009 - 2013, but idk how much influence they would've had on toby
is OFF worth checking out if i already have been spoiled the twists?
>>4063064Kris heart and eyes burn red, he'll never be blue again.
>>4063068There's no twist, the story is completely straightforward
>>4063069he's not blue enough for the sblurffs
Kris is cute and blue he blushes purple
>>4063061Because what inherent good does it do to kill a character you dislike? Have I just not played whatever game you people have where anyone you don't kill is implicitly your friend who'll be in every scene from now on? I ignore characters who I find grating because I don't want to expose myself to the stuff I find grating, I kill antagonistic characters when that's how you progress because I want to progress.
>>4063056Gameplay-wise, Mother 3 objectively is the best of the trilogyMother 2 is a slog to go through, Mother 1 is almost unplayable with the random encounters. Shame we have to wait for fan remakes to get Mother 1 and 2 with the same gameplay improvements from Mother 3>>4063068What twists specifically? They had little impact to my experience, but then again, it's been like a decade since i last played itAlso Zacharie > Sans
>>4063067>cave story>RPGwhat
>>4063076i should've said indie games, my bad
>>4063053yeshttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3550882135
>>4063076Level ups = RPG
>>4063079by that logic, super paper mario is a rpg too, huh?
>>4063080It always had rpg elements
>>4063079is deltarune an rpg?
>>4063094It's as barebones although even hylics and look outside and OFF had more variety in the battles.
Toby better not be a lazy faggot and should have Noelle act different in the aborted weird route in chapter 6 than in normal route. The damage is already done in chapter 4, the game should emphasize more on that point. Going back to more yurishit will undermine the chapter 4 and 5 weird route scenes
What's gonna be the next gimmick for chapter 6? Do you think Toby is just gonna reuse the platformer stuff?
>>4063110He reused climbing so I don't see why not. Might as well get a little more mileage out of them
>>4063086>didnt play Super Paper Mario award
>Kris has a bunch of missed calls after chapter 5Who was phone?
>>4063128Flowery asks if Kris's mom is calling then Kris has a bunch of missed calls.It's probably Toriel.
>>4062954then don't give the player the option to give orders, many RPGs have done so in the past where you only directly control the main character and the rest of the party is AI controlled
>>4062958a huge chunk of the fanbase really believes the regular route will be a straight forward "save the world" plot, so much that they refuse to acknowledge that 7B might be mandatory (even if partially) to reach the true end
>>4063006>"This is Punishment Cage B. Having been in both, it's better than Cage A, but not by much."it's so fucking over
>>4063006gerson already said it will, there is a middle path between A and B which leads to the true end
>>4063134>https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/#en:3:obj_npc_room_slash_Other_10_gml_2053_0>isrealFUCK.
>>4063110>climbing = orange soul>introduced in 4, climax fight in 5>platforming = blue soul>introduced in 5, still no blue soul fight yet.>already have soul modes for yellow, purple, and green.if there is going to be a new gimmick, its gotta be themed around the cyan soul.
>>4063128toriel, carol, and maybe noelle almost certainly about uncle rudy
>>4063137cyan being last would fit with the "kris' original soul is cyan" theories
>>4063137>>4063140maybe something to do with parrying? it would fit the patience theme, waiting until the right moment to strike and all that
Krusiebros status?
>>4063150dead and buried in the middle of a desert
>>4063150in the gravenow only kriselle, kralsei, and kerdly remain
>>4063152cuckshit prevailed
>>4062912it was a little thing, but I appreciated the dojo letting you use your attack command without fucking up your town love; felt nice to cut loose without having to worry about consequences outside of end of chapter boss fights. it's not like he's completely foregoing activities to do in the town, but drastically cutting back on expanding one of the initial ones is strange
>>4063164maybe he doesn't want to invest too much time into castle town because he's going to nuke it laterwhich is a pretty piss poor excuse for neglecting it after hyping it up as this big hub type place in ch2 but whatever
>>4063166thats a shit excusei would have taken more castle town over suselle cuckery in ch4 and ch5
>>4063168i think most people would've, but toby pretty clearly wants to push suselle as this epic teen romance (pay no mind to kris getting turbocucked) and everything else is secondary to it until proven otherwise
>>4063170then hes a retard, and i want to change this part of the game
>>4062913also worth noting that the only time Sans really gets pissed off at you outside of the optional higher LV judgement scenes is if you kill Papyrus who, in addition to being his brother, only ever brings you down to 1HP and can only be slain once his mandatory spare opportunity pops up. even if someone attempts to construe some of Sans' statements as Toby indirectly speaking to the player (which I honestly think where some of the "game forced me to be pacifist" drivel comes from), he doesn't really pass judgement too harshly unless you end up putting down the one boss that can't slay you and spares you of their own volition
you know, there was nothing stopping toby from having asgore be a 'boss' >but asgore would never fight krislisa the joyful did it pretty well, no reason why toby couldn't have just borrowed some of that and lighten it a bit because obviously having the gut wrenching emotional moment with kris and asgore probably shouldn't be in ch5or maybe it should've been just so asgore wouldn't be forever known as the vaguepost kinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34o_qruv1lw
>>4063175not to mention that he couldve had a battle where his goal was to keep you away from the fountain, like it couldve been a 10th anniversary stream sans fight sort of thing where asgore tries to kick you off the platform and push you out of the fight or even be a hat ralsei solo or hat ralsei & susie duo vs asgore fight if asgore facing kris in any capacity is not an option
>>4063166bullshitmaking castle town better would only make the nuking more powerfulhe is just lazy or is surrounded by incompetent people
>>4063177i think its because of the short times he gives his team to create the chapters, during ch3-5's development, the team was switching between working in ch3, ch4 and ch5 before cutting it down to ch3&4, meaning that most of the development went into the main chapters and couldnt get all-stars ch3 and other shit to be a thing, cue ch5 coming soon after and they didnt have enough time to make castle town good, and now we're expecting ch6 to come within a year...
>>4063176the key thing about the brad fight in joyful is that brad will never attack, he will only ever waste turns or heal buddyi could see asgore doing something like that, just being a wall to try and stop kris but never doing anything to hurt himsurely toby could throw in some gut punches with asgore talking about kris growing up and how kris responds to remembering them
>>4063178so he is a shit director then
>>4063175i haven't played lisa again in eons but isn't buddy literally tripping balls by the end?wildly different context aside idk flowery still makes more sense since it establishes that not even the power of friendship can change the inevitable (all recruits will prolly be worse for you). i dont see why kris would fight asgore lol.
>>4063175But anon, you ARE going to fight ASGORE.In 7B, while he's at his prime and with the help of six human (souls)flowers.
Oh Kris you rascalAlways such a prankster...
Recommend me media with romance stories like this
This game would be better without Susie
>>4063189Jockington should had been our adventures companion
>>4062792>Mantle HolderIt's Seam. We already know this.
Alright I played OFF. Toby needs to add it to the "if they translate mother 3 they will see how unoriginal I am" pile.
>>4063102Does that mean "proceed" in Arabic?
>>4062760Why do people call the actual legit theories crackpot? So far Reverse Undertale has been spot on if you have a brain.>>4062765We don't know if the holiday household is the actual next Dark World, but Mantle's version of ice palace is already like the ruins. Plus many things could mirror Toriel outside of Carol, too.
>>4062757The Knight's actions in 3 and 4 mirror Undyne because it's the Undyne counterpart in that theory as the main boss of Chapter 4. Chasing the Knight at the end of TV World is supposed to mirror running away from Undyne at the very start of Hotland.
>>4063187I'm shocked that Toby wrote such a deep relationship between Kris and Noelle, yet at the same time he writes poorly written suselle trash. It's literally like night and day. Kriselle is well written, it has depth, and you get the sense that a lot has happened between Kris and Noelle. Meanwhile, suselle is so fucking bad that people are even coming up with theories because it’s written so fucking poorly. Noelle and Susie literally spoke to each other for the first time 3 days ago. There's no depth, it's so fucking shallow.
>>4062795Dark World is either Castle Town or the fabled Ice Palace.
>>4062810Ralsei will probably have some major role here too as Flowey is important in the ruins as Ralsei is the Flowey mirror in Reverse Undertale theory.
>>4063199Im serious man Im desperateJapanese anime childhood friend doesnt cut it, they always fuck it up somehow or have tons of retarded filler
>>4062885Asgore was literally holding Flowery in that prophecy dude
>>4063204isn't it the point where he leaves the party? if we're taking dragon blazers into consideration that is
>>4062953Just like Frisk and Chara, Kris's gender won't be relevant at all. Thankfully we can just enjoy fanart instead.
>>4063199Im still in the suselle is written bad on purpose camp
>>4062814Nah that'll will be the main boss of the shelter which will be the chapter 6 dark world. The cat wrangler is ERAM
>>4062888Asriel’s fate is to be HUMANED.
>>4063212LoliDOMMED.
>>4063207Yes, plus we did get introduced to his fire magic so it has to be important in the future now.
>>4063210>Im still in the suselle is written bad on purpose campSame. I really, really want to believe this. Otherwise, I'll be deeply disappointed.
>>4062810>we'll go to (the most likely option for a dark world)>Carol (who was established to be antagonistic) (is the antagonist)>Ralsei (who is a main character) (does something)Idk man, can this theory like, predict anything specific outside of the basic common sense people already expect will happen?
>>4063224tobert can always throw a curveball and it be none of that because fuck your expectations
>>4063224It predicted a lot of things in 3-5, it's just there isn't much for the ruins to mirror. It's a simple area.
>>4063226Then the theory is not very useful anymore if it can't be used to think outside the box
>>4063230that's how the entire game has been feeling since after chapters 3 and 4 dropped
>>4063230Well, if you want an outside of the box thinking then maybe chapter 6 is all Castle Town, 5 ended with Susie closing the door to go in it as Snowdin starts with Frisk leaving the ruins. The Toriel boss is a member of the fun gang, either Kris, Susie or Ralsei.
Occam's Razor is always right which means Chapter 1 era theories will be trueWhich means Ralsei is a girl (female)(born with vagina) and Kris is possessed by Chara all along
>>4063235The second one is kinda right since the Player Soul remembers Undertale and Gaster in his 2018 Takeover noticed how everything was dark and there was a lot of Wind, kinda like Undertale post geno...
>>4063235Kris isn't posessed by Chara but is simply Chara's counterpart in the Deltarune world.
>>4063238Not true because Kris and Asriel aren't madly in pseudo incest love in Deltarune
>>4063238False...
>>4062748ALWAYS BET ON ALPHYS KNIGHThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9a4ilv8r2g
>>4063244No.
I wonder if you can bet on polymarket on who the knight is
>>4063150The only Krusiefags left are in /sus/, where they... I don't know what they're doing there, exactly.
Kerdly status?
Pinis status?
>>4063249Most of the artist left after the big Titty Kris edit.
the Police Sacrifice Next Week thing is such a loose thread I hate it so much, it doesn't connect to anything else in the story. Sacrifices have nothing to do with dark worlds so far, why police specifically, literally what the fuck is that supposed to mean
>>4063254I think the Knight is kidnapping the only people who know the codes (and would reveal them to the fun gang). Both Undyne and Asgore knew the Police Code for the Shelter, while Toriel probably has the DELTARUNE code.Carol is either the Knight or is working with them so it's very likely she isn't gonna be kidnapped.
>>4063254That has to be a red herring/misdirection. Not saying there's absolutely no connection to whatever is happening in the plan, but I am really not willing to believe there's gonna be an actual sacrifice of the kidnapped people, especially not after Asgore got kidnapped. Even with the shadow crystal showing a frozen undyne.
>>4063257I don't buy Carol working with the Knight because if she could contact the Knight directly, why does she need Kris' help? If anything, Kris is fucking it up because if not for Susie going to the Flower Shop dark world she wouldn't have gotten the code.
>>4063240They are according to Jaru though.
>>4063254There are dots for a reason there.
>>4063254There's a fucked up occult ritual occurring in the shelter.
>>4063263>It's just Night in the Woods' ending againplease no, anything but that
>>4063260They need Kris help to contain the Soul and Seal the fountains. Carol probably handles the stuff in the light world if she's not the Knight while the Knight and Kris deal with stuff in the dark world.
>>4063265What could Carol's interest be in the Library fountain if they didn't capture anyone?
>>4063268Probably to make the fun gang (or Noelle idk) stronger for the future.
>>4063260hey look Kris is pretty bad when it comes to the codes but he's not too shabby when it comes to setting up kidnappings
>>4063269Why would she want Noelle to be stronger, then call Noelle to drag her away from the dark world Kris is about to open in chapter 5 and lose another opportunity for her to become stronger, it doesn't feel very consistent, it'd only make sense if Noelle wasn't supposed to be in the chapter 2 dark world in the first place and her presence was an accident but then there was no point to opening that
why does kris care if we get to know the codes or not, he can just toss us in the trash for a day or two and refuse to open the shelter door
>>4063278Gee man, it's almost like we're not the only person who wants them.
>>4063280who else is theresusie? just refuse to speak
This game is going to flop by virtue of the entire dev team being full of women and trannies
>>4063282Well Susie is already trying to find them and she probably would try to see the code with her own eyes.And Kris is very conflicted about this since they hesitated in tearing the Police code when they had it.
>>4063283its already made trillions
>>4063285Toby is a jew so he can't care less about where the story goesHe's going to retire comfy in Japan after this ends
>>4063254It's to give us a breadcrumb to justify the kidnappings. We still have zero idea why those are happening, since it has nothing to do with the prophecy.
>>4063264I was thinking FMA with all the sacrifice talk.
>>4063193it says "Noelle" actually
>>4063187TsukihimeIt has some similarities, Toby probably got some inspirations from the game
Will they reunite in the end?
>>4063299we're supposed to findher.ogg never said anything about saving her.ogg
>>4063304>It's precisely what she said would happen. That you would "find" me.Ah. I see.
Okay come on this one wasn't even that stealthy >>>/v/745860775
Random notes on Ralsei, ERAM, Gaster, and the Shadow Mantle>Ralsei cannot be Kris's horned headband (exists without Kris present)>Ralsei can travel to any dark world>Ralsei could either be the Hometown trees or a being of pure darkness (intelligent Titan-spawn,) leaning toward latter>ERAM/Nightmare could be Kris's horned headband>However, most clothing so far has become equipment in the dark world>Could Kris's horned headband be the Shadow Mantle?>I feel like ERAM himself is tied to the idea of the original game>The original villain?>Cool idea: A one-dimensional NES-style villain like Zoma or Garland who gains awareness after being displaced by Gaster>Final boss of 7B?>It's between ERAM, Gaster, and Ralsei>ERAM could also fit into 7A, but the final boss there is heavily foreshadowed to be Susie. Gaster also technically could but it wouldn't mesh well to put such an esoteric character into the normal route without having to do anything special.>Ralsei can move between dark worlds, presumably even The Depths/Shelter>A final confrontation between the prophecy breakers (You/Kris/Noelle) and the prophecy's #1 defender would make sense>7A: Susie, 7B: Ralsei>ERAM superboss on one or both routes?>Gaster super secret boss with all eggs/crystals?>Megalo Strike Back kino fanservice on one of these>One ending: secret/superbosses are just cool shit like Culex in SMRPG that don't impact anything
Why did they only start kidnapping people in chapter three? Why did they even make the second dark fountain if they weren't going to kidnap someone?
>>4063316Why were they supposed to start kidnapping people sooner? Do you think their goal will be met when they have some certain set of people in the shelter?>Why did they even make the second dark fountain if they weren't going to kidnap someone?You mean the computer lab? Seems like that one was made to fulfill the prophecy about Queen. Likely the Queen's chariot event would've had to involve a festival king and queen if not for Queen the laptop.
>>4063314isn't posting the leaks risky due to take 2 paying the staff to get rid of them? hence why people have to catbox or link off site
>>4063326"To fulfill the prophecy" is a terrible argument for the Chapter 2 fountain. It's like saying it happened because the plot demanded it to happen with no reason whatsoeverI fully disagree with the notion the prophecy is a script that must be played and not the naturally occuring consequence of the characters' actions
>>4063328Dude holy shit no one actually clicked on the imageIt's a fucking gif it's Flowery
>>4063329>I fully disagree with the notion the prophecy is a script that must be playedI can't imagine how you've understood the way the game has played out WITHOUT thinking of it this way. The Queen's Chariot got stopped by the intervention of God himself and she got a new unstoppable chariot within hours. The prophecy is a script that ensures its own events remain true. It will put in the minimum effort required to do this.
>>4063330yes, no one did but the janitors/mods still assumed it was and killed the thread
>>4063333How does that justify opening a fountain for no reason other than looking at the script and saying "welp guess I'll open it cuz it's says right here I have to." It raises the entire question of why enact the prophecy to begin with
>>4063334The thread stayed upGTA threads are obviously allowed No one clicked on this https://i.4cdn.org/v/1787367814123865.gif
>>4063335>It raises the entire question of why enact the prophecy to begin withThe Prophecy will start changing shit to enact itself in a way you have no knowledge of or control over the moment your attempts to follow it stop being the most convenient way for it to come true.The conspiracy surrounding/including the Knight has some agenda, some potential reading of the prophecy that they're hoping to make use of, but they have to be in control of the potentially dangerous parts like the creation of dark worlds before they're comfortable making use of the prophecy.
>>4063338there is already another thread up so no one is searching for new threads right now
>>4063340That still doesn't explain the Library fountain; all I want is some reason, could be a personal reason, anything to make it because I won't take "because fate said so" as an answer. The prophecy hard forcing itself doesn't mean it can make decisions happen out of no contextual motivations;The final prophecy that sucks and everyone hates it then might as well be God/Gaster/Angel zapping a lightning bolt at the Girl because fuck you; there's no nuance whatsoever and it would make for an awful story.
>>4063347>That still doesn't explain the Library fountainHow doesn't it? They knew the general pace they wanted the prophecy to follow, they had to make the Queen's chariot happen before there was a "Queen" in the light world.>I won't take "because fate said so" This isn't "because fate said so". Fate didn't say there would be a dark world in the library. They were looking for a way to enact the bit of the prophecy about Queen to ensure it was out of the way before it let the prophecy get its hooks into the festival Queen.>The prophecy hard forcing itself doesn't mean it can make decisions happen out of no contextual motivations;Correct. But it does mean it can alter the motivations and context pretty much arbitrarily. I don't see any other way to read chapter 5's aborted weird route, none that aren't even bigger leaps at least.
>>4063238Tobert seems to identify Chara as a girl nowadays, I imagine Kris is supposed to either be Frisk with the obvious name anagram or Kris is just his own person
>>4063348>the bit of the prophecy about Queen to ensure it was out of the way before it let the prophecy get its hooks into the festival Queen.Assuming "Queen" actually meant the Festival Queen and not Queen is an interesting guess but complete headcanon so farThat also makes the prophecy inconstently super specific and also vague so they have to choose which parts they can change. I guess they had the foresight to open card kingdom dark world then because that's where there'd be a jack of spades card turning into a pin headed thing that calls Ralsei "toothpaste boy." Similarly how could they know there'd be a Queen with a chariot by opening the fountain to subvert this specific panel? The characters can't have this much foresight about what's going to appear in the dark world
I love vagueposting because I can make it retroactively fit the story I want to make.
>>4063354this isn't a bad writing method btw basically every long-running project ever devised does itincluding story drafts or outlines that never see the light of day
Test
>>4063352>Assuming "Queen" actually meant the Festival Queen and not Queen is an interesting guess but complete headcanon so farIt could have meant either. "Queen" means anyone and anything that could be called "Queen", until the events involving the "Queen" are over, then it means whoever or whatever those events happened to.These prophecy mechanics are kind of foundational to the whole discussion about whether Susie fits into the second hero role. She didn't initially fit but now that she's gone through some of the marking bits of "the girl"'s journey, the prophecy is treating her as such.>because that's where there'd be a jack of spades card turning into a pin headed thing that calls Ralsei "toothpaste boy."... yes? The Knight is clued in on the imaginary friends Kris and Noelle cooked up as children. Thank you for noticing.
>>4063357icleshehehehehehehe
>deleted at Page 10>With 500 plus postsWhat a loser lol.
Another thread deleted at page 10 after hitting bump limit normally.
this petty fag
Last thread /vrpg/ janny deleted a bunch of posts talking about /v/ so be careful when discussing it here, anons.
You just know the janny was seething super hard because he didn't find the thread earlier
>>4063350Kris couldn't be Frisk either since Toby sees Frisk as female if you think he sees Chara as female as well, plus Kris isn't canonically a dude either. All humans are they/them, so gender isn't stopping Toby from making Kris being Deltarune Chara.
>>4063379checked the comments of this post and its just normies lapping toby up because they think normal RPGs are boring and "wish every game had this sort of variety"
>>4063379Imagine if toby saw this, the crashout that will ensueHe seems to have no tolerance for criticism
>>4063384he wouldn't due to >>4063381, the normies will defend him to deathhere you can read it for yourself https://x.com/cishetnpc/status/2090517388164735332
>>4063384Iiiiiiit's the TOBY FOX PARASOCIAL HEADCANON HOUR
>>4062351we'll any of these people EVER be relevant?
>>4063379thing is without the gimmicks the battles kind of suck dick when it's just "ACT until Mercy 100%". And unlike Undertale you're not even given the privilege to back out and fight some other time. Fights are pretty basic.
>>4063390Im going off the latest shit he wrotetons and tons of damage control in there
>>4063150genuine psychosis and on suicide watch. fucking ralsusie has a better shot at happening
>>4063391>Vessel7B merchant>Toriel and BerdlyProbably somewhat relevant in the last two Chapters>Alvin and CattiIt's over.>Papyrus Forgettable.
>>4063391>vesselonly at the ass end of Chapter 7>CattiBTFO'd forever>Jockingtonpeaked with the beard, never seeing the light of day again>CHADlyIs the catalyst to getting Weird, will always be relevant to Noelle's character progression>Alvinnothingburger>AsrielWill walk onscreen after the credits and say>"Howdy! What did I miss?"
>>4063391Only Vessel, Asriel and Papyrus.
>>4063381it's not even the genre switching thats bothersome it's the fact the regular fights we DO get have just been worse. Regardless of it being FIGHT, SPARE, or both it's either too gimmicky, done solely for a bit, or just generally not expanded upon enough.
>>4063391>VesselYes>Avin, Berdly and TorielNo(t anymore)>PapyrusYes, and he's in the Shelter working with/for Gaster>Catti ft. Jockington25th anniversary stream fight>AsrielThe second thing Toriel mentions is him coming home, he's gotta, right? That wasn't Toby's way of writing him out, right??
>>4063404toriel also mentions going to get him in ch5, so it's possible he could show up at the end of ch6 or sometime in ch7
>>4063391Papyrus is the Forgotten Man. No I won't explain but it makes a lot of sense
>>4063393???All he said was to keep your theories in check because they might be wrongIf that's damage control to you then take a hike.
>>4063356I'm not saying it is but there's times where it fucking sucks dick when they do it. Like homestuck and one piece for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zICkHyRU3mMI don't like SFBfags but I would stand up and clap if this happened
7B will have a hentai scene
>>4063416Man people really think 7B will just be a Kriselle dating chapter, huh.
>>4063414Like I mentioned before, people here really take the pic related approach to what Toby says or sometimes doesn’t even say (Abberant moment)
>>4063356it really depends vagueposting is 'fine' when it's done fairly early in a story, especially a mystery one, to help hook the audience what isn't fine is when you're 2/3rds of the way into a story and characters are still vagueposting about everything that's actually happening and the characters just shrug it off and never ask questions toby claims to have had this ending in mind for over a decade, and that he wrote a broad draft of the rest of the story in 2016 and finalized it it in 2020him still continuing to hide everything to do with the plot in ch5 tells me that he's paranoid about people guessing the plot early so he's backloading all of it to prevent people from finding outthis is bad writing, there's nothing wrong with the audience figuring out the plot early because of clues the author left around, all good mysteries do this so the 'twist' feels natural and not abrupt or jarring and like it or not, deltarune is a mystery story because of how little the protagonists know about the situation at hand and how they're drip fed new information piece by piece
>>4063417Thank you for the pantsu drawfren.
>>4063379I like undertale's combat and on of the main things that drove me to deltarune was the idea of it expanding on its rpg aspects. shame it stops pretending to be an rpg post chapter 2 and would rather throw in 50 billion random gimmicks and completely throw out any depth from the core gameplay by making fighting an active detriment and by lobotomizing acting into just one note minigames. and it definitely doesn't help that deltarune STILL only runs at 30 fps despite being a bullet hell FUCKING KANACLOVERFAGS WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET 60
>>4063416>Ending song for main route is 74>Ending song for 7b is SFB>Ending song for ??? is The Greatest Living Show
>>4063419>bluesky screenshot>dogshit opinion>expressed via dogshit metaphorWhy did you post this?
>>4063417Hot
>>4063427Once a /v/tard always a /v/tardI HAVE TO MAKE A SCREENSHOT ABOUT A RANDOM RETARD ON TWITTER AND POST ITits in his blood I'm afraid.
>>4063425>Ending song for main route is 74I'm not sure about that. Take a look at this pic. Also, the WR lake scene has exactly 73 PROCEEDS.
>>4063427It's Xitter actually.
>>4063416so hometown massacre will just be lazy and make the whole thing just the zelda clone again?
>>4063435Why would there be a hometown massacre if you've already escapedwhat next, do you think we're going to get our vessel just to return to kris again? Its nonsensical
>>4063436to make something worthwhile out of the weird routeescaping to what? I'm already outside of the game
>>4063416>>4063435It's so fucking ironic that Chapter 1 memes had Kris and Susie as school shooters and now we have 7B memes with Kris and Noelle still acting like school shooters
>>4063437Why would Deltarune need to be HMOFA game number 9992834823472819317842842
>>4063436>Why would there be a hometown massacre if you've already escapedVery simple, because you haven't actually escaped. You aren't outside of Deltarune, but in a part where you're not supposed to be in. Presumably you have some kind of objective there, probably getting the Vessel, which will then enable you to actually finish the real objective of the weird route, and the hometown massacre is part of the process of fulfilling that objective.
>>4063444Deltarune brought hmofa to the mainstream thats why
>>4063442theories are a flat circle
When does the game let you stab the Knight in the heart
>>4063447Deltarune brought HMOMA (Kralsei) to the mainstreammaybe HMOFA was popularized by lola bunny or animal crossing i don't know but it definitely wasn't deltarune
SFB is about the Vessel and 7B will not be a Kriselle date Chapter.
>>4063450Deltarune brought hmofa to my hearti like the human knight and his doe princess
>>4063444>>4063447deltarune will be world's first mainstream hfofa gamebelieb it
>>4063453I thought Chapter 5 killed off HMOFAfags like you.
>>4063453Oops I'm a retard that can't read.
>>4063454I WILL NEVER DIE
>>4063417When do we finally decide to create /OUR/ canon Deltarune so we can btfo Tobyhack?
>>4063457First Deltarune fangame to have zero downloads.And what would be the /v/ canon anyways when we are split between male and Female Kris fags.
>>4063457I dunno, whats taking yall so long
>>4063457after the game comes out, so we can properly IMAGINE a better future
>>4063457There is always Deltarune Yellow
>>4063461Deltarune Yellow doesnt have doe
>>4063461Deltarune Yellow's """"Kriselle"""" sucks ass.
>>4063457no idea but its TAKING TOO LONG
>>4063461we need a deltarune cyan
>>4063463I blame it on Kanako's stunning lack of mental illness for a ~16 year old girl. And lack of character in general :^)
>>4063466See if Cole was a girl Kanako would automatically become mentally ill like Noelle is, making KanaCole a good ship.
While I'm at it, rank by probability how likely the endings are to be tied to these references:> EarthBound Halloween Hack> 74> Skies Forever Blue> peepee.exeFeel free to add other references, but please keep it reasonably concise so we can compare our takes.
Kanacole is just Kriselle and Krusie's retarded lovechild
>>4063461Does that game even have a plot?
>>4063468whats peepee.exe
>>4063436Kris is used up too, he's dead.
>>4063465Deltarune Cyan is a dating sim visual novel where you can only date UTDR lolis (including Kris too)
>>4063473itll sell millions
>>4063442Yeah, the Vessel is the school shooter.
>>4063467but Cole doesn't have character
>>4063476More like Slasher horror villain.
>>4063452>>4063456>CoL is a HMOFAtard now
>>4063479... who?
>>4063479Water is wet.
>>4063471Very old RPG Maker shitpost game Toby made for Starmen.net, it's one of those "old shame" projects he tried purging.Despite being a shitpost it has a good few oddities that show Toby's been long-obsessed with several ideas we see in Deltarune.
>>4063471https://youtu.be/eCVj0hWxrxM
>>4063461>Deltarune Smellow
>>4063475Trillions! And It would have sex scenes too!
>>4063479>now
>>4063473Isn't that the Undercontrol fangame?
Can the jewteegee people go back to their thread
>>4063479Is this new information?
>>4063470From what I could tell it's like Deltarune if you sanded off the more esoteric meta elements and came to complete the mission, kill the knight, etc. So it's not terrible but it isn't anything special
>>4063490Having played it (because it's the only fangame in existence with FemClover) it's an okay game, but it's kinda grindy and also ALL about hypnosis and aged up versions of the characters. It also gender swapped Asriel.Meanwhile this hypothetical Deltarune Cyan would just be a VN about all the UTDR human lolis (maybe Clover too if I'm lucky)
>>4063485>I like big buttsI didn't know he had taste
>>4063494I see. Hypnosis isn't my fetish so I probably won't try it. Your idea is based though. Maybe you can add shotas like yellow for the shotafag audience, too.
>>4063419something something I hate mantle something something [picture of battat]
>>4063499The original game was tampered with.
>>4063391>potental
>>4063499Mantle>Platforming>Climbing
>Kris like flowery erotic... NEED VIRGIN CHILD PUSSY
>>4063507UT battle system >>> platforming >>> climbing >>> teacup rides >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mantle
>>4063508Noelle really said that.
>>4063347I know it's not satisfying but that is legitimately the reason. All these darkworld adventures happened because fate said so. Practical purposes like kidnappings are secondary.
>>4063458>we are split between male and Female Kris fags.there is no such thing it's just one schizo spamming his shitty headcanon
>>4063511fate didnt say the ch5 needed to exist, or it would have been there in the morning instead of being made spontaneously.
>>4063512I know right, chad_kris69 is such a square
what the fuck is there even left to talk about here especially for the next year? these thread's have just devolved into the same circlejerk of doomerism while the femkrisfag slowly eats all the images. can't even horny post or post regular art to liven up discussion here because of the relatively small image limit.
>>4063517we love burning through the image limit for random bullshit here
>>4063419>check the quotes>it's people arguing about the gameplay with essentially the same points we've had on /v/ for the past yearthis is surprising
>>4063518Should have been a trans Noelle image.
>>4063520>trans noellegay, just post regular noel at that point
>>4063517this is why we really need to be on /v/. the discussion naturally tappers out and picks up over there.but here, since its more like a general, you've always got some fag that feels the NEED to make more threads and force discussion.
>>4063517talk about doe and boye
>>4063517we could go back to fan made takes on future chapters, even if it will all be proven wrong anyway
>>4063517not exactly sure about what to chew on thats gonna be "new". These kinds of threads are dumping grounds for random related thoughts about the game. Can't really say much myself other than how odd it is that people moved on from the Sound of Justice so quickly and haven't thought if that imagery could be evoked elsewhere in the game though if it wasn't for the slowness I'd say this place is better than /vg/ for being on top of off-topic crap
>>4063517Not much.
>>4063525Could they not have made Orange some kind of imp creature instead of a mouse?
>>4063508Wtf Noelle is literally me.
>>4063517>only my evil boogeyman posts imagesMeds, half of the images posted are with male Kris if not more.>>4063518Kill yourself.
the flowers and what retarded ship they'd push>aqua: kriselle>seth: kerdly>green: ralsusie>orange: krusie>yellow: kralsei>blue: suselle>pink: herself being spitroasted by asgore and kris>flowery: asgore x literally anyone. the fucker needs love
>>4063525I've been one the main defenders of Gerson Statue // Dess Knight for the past year here.But I'm not happy about SoJ because of how, among many other things, it helped destroy the mood the first Deltarune chapters had way too soon.Can't you see how we went from something more dire than the true lab to the funny rat in your post? It's all extremely misplaced.
peepee poopoo caca rune
>>4063534flowery would ship soriel just to have asgore for himself
>>4063534Flowery is himself with Asgore and Rudy and Toriel and Carol and
>Thread with Fortnite Pomni/Jax OP got nuked because people were talking about Deltarune instead lole
>>4063534blue should have been a kriselle shipper instead of bringing up suselle unprompted
>>4063539THREADGRAVE.
>>4063539the jannies also hate digital circus cuz they brand it as offtopic /co/ trash (as they should)
>>4063517>while the femkrisfag slowly eats all the images.I hate this fucking parasite.
>>4063539>deltarune is the chemo of /v/guys i have a really funny of how we can talk about deltarune on /v/
>>4063528mouse puns are easier to come up with than imp puns. >>4063535Well, Deltarune is a big-ass game. Staying goofy forever will drag, but being gloomy for that long will also drag. So it's kind of like 5-ish games so far being stitched together by an overarching plot & narrative.
>>4063523We're not turning this into /doe/ 2.0Unless we're gonna focus on Kress instead, in that case yeah sure
>>4063541>>4063539We own this board.
>>4063539based
>>4063525The only people that focused on Sound of Justice was the Chapter Rewriten devs, sadly.
>>4063547Kress would still unleash threadcop.
>>4063546>Staying goofy forever will dragShut the fuck up. We always had comedy shows remain comedy for many seasons and still be good.And the far more sensible option would be to let the goofy chapters concentrated on the beginning and the serious ones on the ending, not this shit back and forth we got with 3-4-5.
>>4063525I only wonder what about the darkness is so specific that "pure" darkness isn't good enough
>>4063457If you write your own story, he wins.>>4063517yeah I've been checking out of these threads recently lol. might've been more to talk about if ch 5 didn't give people so little to work with. if the endgame Leder loredump theory turns out to have merit to it, meaningful ch 6 discussion will likely peter out at a similar pace to right now
Do you guys think our inventory is going to get raped and killed when we get Vessel back or is it going to transfer in some way? If yes how?
The "one thing" we learn in chapter 6 is the final prophecy panel. That's it.
>>4063457Toby already has given you his blessings multiple times, go create 500 fangames.
>>4063556nope thats too importantits the image in the angel panel
>>4063546"Who ya callin shorty, shorty? I'm 20 years old, see?!"
>>4063525The unbearable joy emanating from this image is killing me.
>>4063552>We always had comedy shows remain comedy for many seasons and still be good.the only ones that stayed good got axed early. The sauce gets lost by season 3. I don't want a million fucking lancers for 20 uninterrupted hours, I want a push and pull. Deltarune not being a safe, straightforward A to B is simultaneously one of the most interesting and frustrating aspects of the game. I truly don't think I'd give half as much of a fuck if the Knight was some rando or if Kris wasn't a treacherous cunt
>>4063556Toby Fox would never reveal information in a reasonable amount of time
>Kris, you CAN'T get a random thread nuked by posting your Deltarune just because you find that funny
>>4063563Simpsons had a well received 8 season run before it fell down.>I don't want a million fucking lancers for 20 uninterrupted hours, I don't want the focus on these horrible teen characters for 20 hours straight.>I want a push and pull.I want a story with a decent structure and flow.
>>4063552The absolute longest I've heard any comedy focused media considered all around good and not repetitive (or cheating by being mostly topical, à la South Park) was the Simpsons, and their heyday was still what, a decade tops?
>>4063569>Anon says they don't want an endless parade of new funny side characters>Respond by saying you don't want the MAIN CHARACTERS to have screen timeThese are equivalent to you?
>>4063572Yes they are. Screen time is a finite resource.
>>4063528No because her Undertale self is a pipsqueak loli.
Thoughts about Undertale AUs that use Deltarune characters?
>>4063575>manly bandana
>>4063534Seth ships her and Berdly, Aqua doesn't know about shipping, green wouldn't give a fuck, Yellow would find shipping illegal or mistake it for actual ships, and Flowery would be an Asgoriel or himself x Asgore shipper.
>>4063539To be fair that is off-topicslop that should be deleted.
>>4063579Pink glove.
>>4063577Speaking off.https://youtu.be/ijRRhwp7uTU
>>4063558*skeletons
>>4063577aren't all the deltarune characters technically canon in undertale aside from kris?
>>4063553A fountain opened by a Lightner Determination striking the earth will always have their will coloring the Dark World and its Darkners, intentionally or not. And I don't think that opening a Dark World in a completely barren room would allow any darkner to exist in it so much so as petrify any darkner that gets introduced to it. So I'm thinking that the "Grand Fountain" in Castle Town with its pure darkness was made possibly by one of two methods.>1: The storage room is directly linked to the heart of the darkness (The Depths), similar to the hypothesized nature of the Shelter's Dark World>2: The Castle Town fountain was made in reverse. As in, someone poked a hole from the Depths and allowed darkness to pool into the storage room.
>>4063579Yes, Orange tries to overcompesate a lot despite wearing cute pink gloves
>>4063577>AUsAUtism
>>4063541A spell as powerful as it is dangerous
>>4063590Kris existed too.It's just that they are stuck in a glass container in Asgore's basement.
>>4063593what pink glove
>>4063569>Simpsons had a well received 8 season run before it fell down.so it was good early on and the majority of it fell to shit since it was the same fucking show over and over again, got it>I don't want the focus on these horrible teen characters for 20 hours straight.nobody gives a flying fuck about the darkners>I want a story with a decent structure and flow.free to look elsewhere for your specific fix
>>4063594Kriselle is better than yuri cuck porn
>>4063594theyre peak and shouldve never died off to begin with
>>4063604I was never into AUs and i'm not entirely sure why
>>4063599>early on8 full seasons isn't "early on">since it was the same fucking show over and over againThe complaints are specifically over how the showrunners couldn't replicate what made the early seasons good.>nobody gives a flying fuck about the darknersSpamton. And this is like saying nobody gave a shit for the monsters in UT because the humans are clearly more important in the setting.>free to look elsewhere for your specific fixTHERE FUCKING ISN'T.Almost no one can pull off the very specific brand of comedy Toby does, and the few who do also fall on the same pitfalls (Gooseworx).
>>4063568masaka...is this the power...the power of threadgrave?
>>4063609Eight years (and really, more like six, six and a half, it took a bit to find itself) of a show that's over thirty is absolutely "early on".
>>4063598The tough glove is pink, anon.
>>4063587500 fangames with exactly one skeleton in each of them.
>>4063617I would think the majority would have two.
>>4063604blame people realizing they were going to have to wait over a fucking decade just to get the complete game to mess around with as well as that causing people to be more interested in takes on future chapters than full blown AUtism. cause people certainly tried to stoke that flame during the ch2 days
>>4063622>momdynecute>momalphys as consequenceFUCK NO NO NO NO NO
>>4063555kris will keep any items they have on hand and (you)/vessel will get whatever's in storage or to save them toby will just give us everything
>>4063555Besides maybe some very important item we take off of Kris, who knows what that could be, I'm thinking the knife, personally, it's all gonna be gone, I think.
Guys....https://files.catbox.moe/8wodth.png
>>4063636I'm not clicking that.
>>4063636holy shit!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLZR6IvtVGY
>>4063638its a 666 posts joke
>>4063638its poppup porn
>>4063627Just make undyne straight
When Kriselle AU I love kriselle
In my deltarune au everyone is straight
In my deltarune au there are 500 pippinses
They made the nagasgy kikky park instead of actual dojo fightsStupid hack wasted development time on this
>>4063640Beautiful music
>>4063659only wing ding knows how to touch a soul like this
>>4063657that's what I'm trying to sayfor the past year here[picture of battat]
>>4063657>toby would rather shit on theoryfags with the mikes then play ignorant over actually making castle town worth bothering withhackish behaviour
When are you guys taking the YIIK pill?
>>4063671Someone should do something about this.
>>4063677taken? i've overdosed on the yiik pill
>>4063679>loads gunRight on it.
>>4063646But then that's not Undyne.
>>4063677It's one of those games I know is a shitpost no matter how much the people who have allegedly played it are trying to sugarcoat it.
>>4063683Idk man I'm sure Miyamoto also thought of Mario 1 as a shitty side project when he made it rather than the work of art that we agree it is today
>>4063617Toby disapproves that, he only likes AUtism like the nips do, drawing Sans over and over.
>>4063683yiik has its ups and downsthere are some neat things in it though, like how alex being a douchebag is a plot point and all that stuff with the reality hopping i think susie is the essentia 2000 of deltarune
That was a good thread even with the autosage
>>4063692I missed a thread???
>>4063694yes
>>4063694>>>/v/745904315
>alphys leaves milk for a cat she doesn't know actually exists>in the alleyway with everyman>said cat is actually two different people drinking it with no knowledge of alphys leaving it>one is a party member and the other is an actual cat personis this some bizarre kind of foreshadowing?
>>4063692Janny is slacking.
>>4063704One day we'll realize 80% of this game's dialogue was foreshadowing
>>4063682Yeah it isOr I suppose the fish lovers here don't mean it
>>4062550The music and visuals are 0:20 made me unironically emotional
Here's the "conversation" I had with a mod. Take from it what you will.
>>4063577Not sure about that one specifically, but I like the Deltarune AU where Ramb gets swapped with Tenna. That one also has Dess swapped with Ralsei https://youtu.be/9sbN7Wjl7i4https://youtu.be/LoZ4UjoGzf8>>4063594Believe it or not, that's what kept UT fandom going before Deltarune and before chapter 2 release
>>4063727God sometimes I wish jannies could be removed.
>>4063727knew that streamerbait game's general was protected by modsdon't think that tells us anything that we already don't know. >>4063731Not sure what the swapped RAMB reminds me of but I feel like I've seen it before from somewhere
>>4063727>hyporcisy called out>"ur just mad that ur genral iznt alowd">the exact problem with /vg/ is pointed out right after>completely ignoredi mean, we already knew that the trannitors were like this but its a bit amusing to see them so blatant about it.>>4063734>spoilersomeone tried spamming deltarune to get the peak general deleted from /v/ and it only resulted in an IP wipe, when any other thread would just get nuked on sight.tells you all you need to know, really.
>>4063727They can't recruit minors right? Because they type like fucking subhumans. Even fucking shitposters here have more organic posts.I swear even watching them getting skinned alive by cartels wouldn't be fun given they don't even feel real. No wonder this website is fucking dead.
>>4063738only the ones with @s are mods. I'm guessing the ones without @s are janitors or are just really sycophantic fags who hang out with the mods on irc and talk about random boomershit
>>4063727Lmao they didn't gaf about you. >>4063736To be fair that schizo was also wiped in a Deltarune thread before, too, before janny went nuclear on us.
>>4063727did he even answer your question? he just seemed to passively exist while the discord kittens were just making noise around him why do they even let those fags in a mod chat anyways? they just inhibit the ability to properly ask/ answer questions
>>4063742No that's the unedited chat other than removing join/leave notifications
I like these aged up concepts that make Susie grow fat.
>>4063749damn susie let herself go
>>4063727Jesus fuck i knew the mods and jannies were pathetic individuals but this is on a completely different level from what i imagined
>>4063727we are ruled by absolute retardsboth on this site and in all governmentsthis is the tragedy of humanity, decent people dont want to rule, only psychopaths have those inclinations
so i finished OFF.MASSIVE OFF SPOILERS IN PIC RELATEDoh yeah, we're gonna be in for some kino at the end of deltarunei can definitely see how toby was inspired god i know we're all just waiting for kris to talk to us by namehopefully he doesn't take the idea of the five whatsits just leading to a joke ending. that did upset me a little in off, i'm glad i didn't accidentally trigger that since it would've just ruined the mood
>>4063759>hopefully he doesn't take the idea of the five whatsits just leading to a joke ending.that's what the eggs will lead to, or if he is feeling really subversive that day, the shadow crystals
>>4063425Greatest Living Show is Twisted Sword
>>4063761It's Weird Route because there's no Twisted Route.
finding out now about the fan cafethis shit is internet historian tier wtf
>>4063766did anyone die from the food poisoning
>>4063767Yes. They were they taken to the back alley to be chopped up and sold to the rest of the guests. It was horrible really
>>4063425>>4063761I like the idea that Toby did a fakeout with greatest living show. Up to chapter 4 it really does look like it could be about Noelle being used up, but with the thornring not actually being some mind control mcguffin but the complete opposite, a freedom enabler, it completes the picture. The twisted sword in the video is the corset/dress that the girl (Kris) puts on herself willingly after she has already mostly given up her independence to the puppetmaster. The ring and the sword having the opposite trance effect makes complete sense, one frees you and the other fully enslaves you.
>>4063769Did you forget that the corset has angel wings and that the last thing the girl does is try to fly high into the Sky before the strings cut her apart?Now which character believed they could fly over the lake to the other side? Which character has been foreshadowed to be USED UP alongside Kris?
>>4063767no but it seems to have been many who got sickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-899HpVEXEthey got food poisoning from a deltarune takoyaki, you can't make this shit up
>Sonic porn thread gets deleted at 4 posts because two (2) Deltarune images were postedI kneel...
>>4063727>entire reason why UT/DR threads are banned is literally because "muh generals"We are reaching levels of faggotry that shouldn't be possible. No wonder they don't get paid. They don't even deserve to get paidAlso this confirms the entire reason why the threads are banned is because they don't like the games. That's it
>>4063771Do you believe sfb is not 7B then? It is the one most blatantly connected to the route. I don't really see any way to thematically connect sfb with the greatest living show or make them depict the same sequence of events.The used up foreshadowing refers to the sword route to begin with, I don't think USING UP Noelle and Kris will actually happen in proper WR.
>>4063759fun fact, we already know kris is going to have a portrait at some point because toby himself had it in the ancient concept art for the gang & noelle and we know he's censored stuff because initially susie talking about ralsei going to a different school was blacked outi choose to believe that it's kris saying 'shut up', not susie
>>4063780After the horrible looking suselle lake scene sprites, I don't want to see it
>>4063779SFB is 7B but about the Vessel and at the end of the Chapter.The Greatest Living Show is 7B but during our section with Kris and Noelle. The USED UP is clearly foreshadowing their ultimate fates if you keep doing the Weird Route.
>>4063785>SFB is 7B but about the VesselHoly schizo
>>4063788Hey, it's the only candidate that definitely knows about the Soul and also the only character that gets named in Deltarune. Just like the girl in SFB knows about the Player and was named by them.Also Gaster strongly implies that the Vessel has it's own separate mind from us.
>>4063785I really don't see sfb being about the vessel, that would be absolutely terrible narratively and make no sense. The homunculus we created loves us? and it is a great tragedy that it has become meta aware? Not to mention that the girl literally skips outside the content box in the fangamer site, the link literally being /girl, the player having zero investment in the vessel and so many other things. Occam's razor says it is Noelle.
we're definitely on phase 4 after ch5, so how do you think the next phases will happen?
>>4063794Chapter 6 is the Cascade, Chapter 7 is Collide and ???, and the 20th year Deltarune anniversary is The Lolcow phase
>>4063783those lake sprites are so strange, were they toby's first time doing something like that? he really should've gotten temmie to handle them
>>4063793Come on, you can't say the player has zero investiment in the Vessel when you literally create it.The girl in the SFB site is lost at the depths of it, like the Vessel is 100% lost in the depths of Deltarune. But I see we just have different interpretations that won't change until 7B comes around.
>>4063783They are actually very cute sprites honestly. Noelle is really cute in them.
>>4063798I think chapter 6 will be enough to recontextualize, unless it is an absolute nothingburger again
>>4063798Who gives a shit about the vessel if it's only used for one cutscene at the end of the game
>>4063801Toby already it will clarify nothing except one thing.The worst thing is how our understanding of the game might completely flip around AGAIN while we still barely know anything of what's going on.
>>4063803It's not. The Vessel is probably gonna be used for the second half of 7B which has been confirmed multiple times to be it's own chapter with bosses and enemies and cutscenes and everything else.Unless you think Toby is somehow lying about this for no fucking reason.
>>4063788It's more likely to happen because of it, every single popular prediction of the weird route was always wrong.
>>4063804The sword route HAS to properly begin in 6 or it doesn't exist and is just a schizo dream. Castle town's days are numbered so we have to give the crystals to Seam soon
>>4063742Yournamehere is pretty notorious for ignoring anybody holding him to point after "u mad", "fuck off" or trying to lead the conversation towards an aggressor interpreting the rules in the same extremely specific way he interprets the rules fails to go anywhere
>>4063810how did he get to be a mod then?
>>4063813Our mod manager RapeApe and effectively the acting administrator since Hiro is MIA, got his job from jannying /r9k/ on Christmas when nobody else was online because they were busy having lives. So basically you have to already know the existing mods, and you have to kiss them with just the right amount of tongue
>>4063806Oh I think he's lying the piece of shitAnd the vessel, by that point in the game, the very end of the game, wouldn't matter because you still wouldn't be able to make your own choices because your in the lake with nothing to interact withYou'd be forced to do the thing the game makes you do due to deltarune's linearity.
>>4063783>>4063797I really don't get why Noelle's new face sprites reverted to her chapter 1 appearance where her hair doesn't look as good
>>4063809Twister Sword route was an asspull theory from day one.Chances are we'll be able to return to castle town in 7b to craft it somehow, or Seam will pull a second Thorn Ring out of his ass for you to fuse, or maybe the Malius fusion was just a weird route hint and nothing more.
>>4063815The bread will very likely be the way back to Hometown.Sorry to tell you this but I think Toby mindbroke you.
I really hope "the boss of the chapter" mean the final boss and not that 6 will have a single major fight in it's entirety.
>>4063809>The sword route HAS to properly begin in 6 or it doesn't exist and is just a schizo dream. Well, this is one of the good things about 6, we will finally get an answer to whether the twisted route exsits or not. I used to be a huge believer in it, but recently, after thinking about it a lot, I am changing my mind on this.
>>4063820The bread isn't sans' way to screw you over?
>>4063791>>4063807Nah, you guys are mentally ill. The song literally says:>Two friends started just as neighbors>That is why to say this will take timeIt's obviously about Noelle and Kris.
>>4063827Okay smart boy then when are we gonna get to choose Noelle's name.Or when is she gonna acknowledge the Player. Because if you wanna make Noelle the girl then you realize that SFB becomes Soulelle and not Kriselle, right?
skies forever blue is apocrypha
Skies forever GAY.
>>4063825Why the fuck would you think that? Because you're dead set on the idea that these games are about you being "evil" if you do actions the games offered you?
unopened ska forever blue disc in dess'ss bedroom
>>4063828I actually think WR turning from kriselle to soulelle will be part of the chapter 7 drama. As for choosing the name, it is a bit of a problem but you can chalk it up to it apeing old jrpgs where you named every party member (we gotta have some bullshit, nothing matches 100%)>>4063825I have the gut feeling Sans wants to help Kris, the bread is an out to return to hometown from the creepypasta depths
>>4063627just pull a deltarune and have either undyne or alphys get banished to the rape bunker before they can become gay for each other
>>4063833>soulelleIt won't happen. Toby hates it.
>>4063831I remember how Undertales genocide route ended with a black screen
Kris, have you ever looked up at the Skies Forever Blue, luv?I do it every year during Halloween Hack, it sure is OFF 2025 Remake looking, a real Escaped Chasm Homestuck Problem Sleuth Cucumber Quest The Baby Is You, don't you think luv?
>>4063832do you think her music taste was any good? punk is kinda trash tbqh
>>4063835ERAM does, not Toby.Toby prefers VesSoul but that's not the point.
>>4063838she is was a stoner and a rebel teen, she had shit taste for every single thing you can imagine except boys
>>4063836And you believe that was the game punishing you for being "evil"...Missing the point of a game does in fact harm your ability to enjoy it.
>>4063837i'm going to feed you to ERAM
>>4063838Pizzapants alludes to her (and Asriel) being kind of a poser musically while Kris actually had chops
>>4063843asriel has a good voice, we know that for surei don't think he was ever described to do much with instruments though, afaik ch5 is the first mention of it
>>4063837NOBODY WILL SHED A TEAR FOR YOU.
>>4063827Why is Kris Richter Belmont here?
>>4063842>>4063845only fags and women like pippinses
>>4063841The point, people love to say, is that you have to have endless compassion for fictional characters and you have to watch what as they do whatever they want and you should never act on your own opinions.
>>4063840that tracks. she was probably a poser with the whole rebel thing too. like, a wear pre-ripped jeans kind of dork.
Michaels be breeding FRIENDS in Castle Town like Pitbull puppiesMichael's FRIENDS will maul all your recruits to death (real)
Pink will be RAPED in Castle Town and Maddie won't even be able to escape since she already fused with Mew Mew
Seam will molest Pink in castle town like an anime old man pervert
>>4063849Yeah no, the first group of people are the ones Ralsei was addressed to in chapter 1, and the second group of people doesn't exist, it's just your interpretation of why anyone would ever tell you your demands of the story are retarded.
>>4063853I can see it
>>4063853I guess it's inevitable when youre based off the most raped character in the game
>chapter 6>back to school again>susie comes in early after sleeping in the closet>noelle is nowhere to be found>quick visit to castle town to see ch5 recruits>off to find where noelle is>not at home>not at the hospital>they check the town hall>someone already opened a fountain there>"Hey Kris, looks like another adventure!">It's a barren tundra, looks like the area before Castle Town or the areas in Toriel's house not taken over by TV World>enemies are weird and off putting>Carol is there to be a bitch>not much happens in terms of darkners>Noelle and Rudy located eventually>boss fight with Carol>she loredumps That Horrible Day>Carol gets Knight'd right after>fountain closed>Rudy was a dustner>Noelle opened the fountain and fucked up>To Be Continued>aborted weird route>everything is the same except some scenes with Noelle as she barely shows up there anyway
>>4063853You know people in Japan see Seam as a grandma right?
>>4063862>lesbian elderly anime perverteven better for tobert
>>4063862Do they really? I've seen some Japanese fujos shipping him and Jevil together.
>>4063854My demand of the story is that you can attack the main bosses of the game and actually make it progress naturally instead of the game forcing the story to happen
>>4063871Can't believe that hack itoi forced me to pray instead of letting me beat giygas into a pulp
I saw a YouTube video where some faggot was bitching about the dess mom found the shota image and her being a groomer. They also bitched about that roaring knight fanart with her ass out while wearing the armor.
>>4063873The prayer does damage, doesn't it?Nah it's the masked man fight that sucks.
>>4063876>The prayer does damage, doesn't it?code-wise no, iirc
>>4063876The "damage" you see is pointless because at the end of the day you're watching the same set of cutscenes and can't progress any other way. There's no actual fight anymore. You're just biding your time just like in Mother 1 and 3
>>4063880To be fair i think those cutscenes only trigger after you deal 2000 damage to him
>>4063873>>4063876fun fact, you can actually poison Giygas to death in the gba version
What if THAT INCIDENT and Kris summoning a demon are related? Like, we know Kris once summoned a demon with Catti (and probably Noelle), but we don't know exactly when and why. When Kris distanced himself from Noelle, he probably also distanced himself from Catti, since Noelle and Catti are still relatively good friends (until Susie's church event happens anyway), and thus, the demon summoning must have happened before or during the incident.Its reasonable to think Catti and Kris got together and tried to summon a demon afterwards, if its related to defying the prophecy or something, but seeing as there are a lot of loose threads for Toby to tie up neatly, its more plausible if he combines both of these events into one.
>>4063888>* The Incident is definitely a demon!
>>4063727https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/745920279https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/745921626lmao
>>4063517>what the fuck is there even left to talk about here especially for the next year?If we wanna stave off necrosis a little longer maybe at least one of us could slowly do a Chapter 1-5 playthrough, posting screenshots and talking about stuff that 99% of the fanbase (or even here) doesn't really talk about anymore despite still not being off the table in relevance
>>4063890>Trying to reason with 70 iq janniesWhat do you expect to change?
>>4063892i did that for undertale once, could be fun, i think the one to do it should be someone who actually knows about the less known dialogue so we can actually give our thoughts on unexplored points of the game
>>4063890how hard do you think yournamehere was seething when he had to delete that?
>>4063895>70 iq janniesI hate that you are most likely statistically correct there
>>4063888sweet trips. if were going along with this.. im thinking the demon could be the friend that was stalking noelle and got burned to death by dess. whoever their wrangler is (eram?) got pissed off and sent some cats after her. her room implies she was some sort of paranoid prepper person, so it could have been fueled by her sightings. eventually it all leads to that day™ in an attempt to run away.>It's so quiet here... ... and yet, sometimes, I swear I hear something... Something like... scratching?
SpookyDude released a video about the "one thing" chapter 6 will reveal. He thinks it's either knight identity, Dess backstory, or "that incident".
>>4063888i've always gotten the feeling that kris and catti's demon summoning was a much more recent event, given that susie knows about it
>>4063900still waiting for the FennekinFox ch5 video
>>4063901The demon summoning is the when the soul appeared in chapter 1. Nothing else makes sense.
>>4063899Do you think Noelle believes in bigfoot?
>>4063901This. The demon summoning is the intercepting of the soul into Kris, not THAT TERRIBLE DAY>>4063899Some anon posted his idea the other day that the hearts in the holiday home are actually supposed to be intentional bait for FRIEND when it becomes a dark world. It would be interesting if all the holidays are hunted for some reason
>>4063902I'm still waiting for Andrew's Gaster's theme part 2 video
>>406389870 feels way too generous, ngl.
>>4063904I mean, she already believe on ICE-E so....
>>4063902Same, he ripped Toby apart with his gameplay complaints. He will definitely tear chapter 5 apart because it's everything he has complained for chapters 3 and 4, but amplified
>FennekinSharty
>>4063900What if the reveal is not about these stuff but about Noelle, a really neglected character, and her past?Imagine Susie wanting Noelle to join her fun adventuring and seeing a dark world in Holiday Mansion, where ALL the darkners rub on her face how Kris and Noelle were close, making it pratically a humiliation session of how shallow her relationship is and fueling her jealousy of Kris... JUST for in the end, when they finally get to Noelle, Noelle gets kidnapped by the Knight and Susie has 0 motivation to save anyone in the shelter, betrayed by Toriel, Kris and her "girlfriend".The reveal also could be entirely focused on Kris and have nothing to do with Dess, or being a Ralsei-centric chapter where they go deep into what actually is Ralsei and his role in the prophecy. People thinking its all about Dess are in for a surprise if Toby actually wants to pull the rug from under everyone. ESPECIALLY if Dess is the knight, since revealing stuff about Dess and her being the Knight in chapter 6 would lessen the impact of chapter 7 and there wouldn't be any real mystery to look forward to and theorize.
>>4063910I'm more excited to see him talk about the story side. Unlike 4, 5 has actual material to talk about. And also the whole filler and tonal shift angle.
>>4063911nyoooooo
>>4063905>Some anon posted his idea the other day that the hearts in the holiday home are actually supposed to be intentional bait for FRIEND when it becomes a dark world.What if the Soul is actually Noelle's? and that's why there are so many unprompted shipping with Kris even if he does not display any interest for it compared to Susie?It would make sense that the heart shaped objects there are a bait IF the cats are after a red soul.
>>4063911he is a fag but he is a very funny fagmost obvious lurker of all
>>4063911My only issue with him is that he comes off as extremely condescending, so while I do agree almost everything with him, the way he expresses it makes it hard to agreeI say almost because his complaints about jackenstein is absurd. It's fine if he didn't like the humor, but going to out way to insult those like it is really immature>>4063913He should talk about the newsletter tooIt's the most defensive Toby has gotten because of chapter's reception, which is not a good look
>>4063915>What if the Soul is actually Noelle's?Anon, the fuck are you on? How would that even work?
>>4063911Complete with the very obvious underage homoeroticism
>>4063915Noelle soul is too schizo for me.If the holidays' have some unique property that makes them a target for whatever eram is and FRIENDs it is their game breaking qualities. I think that is the protein talked about in chapter 5. Obviously (you) are the apex of game breaking, but it seems that the deer also have some measure of it naturally.
>>4063920well, venison is great source of protein..
>>4063920>bones are a good source of protein>antlers are literally just bonesHmmmm...
>>4063920>If the holidays' have some unique propertycoff coff boss monstersthis theory was brought to you by ketsukane industries
>>4063922Do you think the holidays shed their antlers?
>>4063923Could be they've just got a little more DETERMINATION than most, like Undyne did when the world was on the line
>>4063917>He should talk about the newsletter tooHe did acknowledge some newsletters in the previous videos.He said on a youtube post he is feeling more optimistic but after what was said about 6, I wanna know his current stance on it.
>>4063923Did we ever get confirmation for what characters were boss monsters in Undertale? i remember people saying any type of monster could be a boss monster but i always assumed it was just the goats
>>4063927Just Toriel and Asgore, I think.
>>4063927gerson says in a way it implies it's just the goats, but who knows
>>4063918Peak schizophrenia ahead, don't take it seriouslyIf Kris can remove his soul, souls are removable without killing the body.Noelle (at least the metaphysical narration Noelle from chapter 5 aborted weird route) intervenes in the gonermaker and says no one can choose who they are, before saying who the soul is. She certainly can't decide who the soul is, so her saying "Your name is Kris" would be her "deciding" something for someone else, while saying "Your name is Noelle" could be her simply reaffirming to herself who she is.Noelle acts like a huge Susie simp, but the one that actually loves Susie like that is Kris, meanwhile the Soul always displays choices to simp for Noelle while Kris rejects those choices. They could have simply traded souls, so their feelings are swapped.The soul wants Noelle to get stronger because it is literally herself.Its even spelled out on Skies Forever Blue"When we met a parcel of my mind's lost to you" - her soul is in Kris"When you named me just as the one you love, then I knew" - you named her soul as the one you love"Maybe to your view I'm just a faintly colored hue" - the soul is simply a red icon"As long as all the words you say go straight to me I'm enthralled" - everything Kris says goes through the soul
>>4063927Only confirmed ones are Toriel and Asgore, who are also the only known immortal monsters because Asriel died and couldn't feed off their lifeforce to age himself (Gerson's just a tortoise so he lives a very very long time)
>>4063932Damn that "vessel is the girl from sfb" schizo is not sounding that insane anymore...On a more serious note the souls, at least in the heart form, are only human. I base this on only Susie having seen the soul during the titan fight and on all the weird "Susie is somehow related to humans" foreshadowing
>>4063935>at least in the heart form, are only humanIn undertale the monster souls are just upside down hearts. Just flip it wumbo style
>>4063419>the gameplay equivalent of Viziepop's writingwhat the fuck does that even mean
>>4063419What the fuck does that even mean
>>4063938>>4063939the best part about it is knowing vivziepop's work doesn't make his metaphor/insult any clearer
>>4063927I remember people theorizing Undyne was one because of how powerful she is and i guess she would be inmortal because she isn't having kids any time soon but as you said, i think officially it's just the goats (and Gerson maybe but it could be that he just lives long because he's a tortoise)
>FRIEND finally catches up to Kris
>>4063941>she isn't having kids any time soonnot on my watch
>>4063911I'm getting too old to remember all of these fucking thread personalities.
https://youtu.be/8-n6HhNO57EWhere did this feeling go with Chapter 5? I miss it.
>>4063987a relic of the 2016 story, when toby's hussification was still benign
>>4063941>and Gerson maybe but it could be that he just lives long because he's a tortoisein deltarune, Alvin is present but gerson diedin undertale, Alvin is completely absent and Gerson talks lowly about himself and how he isnt a hero in the geno shop dialogue, so you could assume that maybe Gerson failed to save his own son (human monster war stuff) and it made Gerson survive all the way to undertale's main era but still feels disappointed on himself for not being able to save alvin
What was Little Krissy's problem?
>>4063993pre THAT DAY? likely constantly feeling like an outcast due to being the sole human in town + just a little shit by natureand if aqua is any indicator, likely was too innocent to really understand what she might be doing could be dangerous/ harmful, but aware enough to try and make people feel better if it waspost THAT DAY? likely slowly becoming a husk of a person after feeling like she ruined both her own and her best friends family in one fell swoop, even if it wasn't actually her fault
>>4063995>and if aqua is any indicator, likely was too innocent to really understand what she might be doing could be dangerous/ harmful, but aware enough to try and make people feel better if it wasi wonder if dess had a hand in young kris/aqua being far more chaotically fucked up than they wouldve been otherwise
>>4063995Aqua being Kris pre THAT day is interesting because the difference between her and current Kris is like night and day. Just how horrible was THAT DAY to turn Kris from a cheerful and happy girl to what is basically a zombie?
>>4063998trauma can fuck people up really bad, remember that kris along with possibly noelle and asriel had to go to therapy after it happened, this wasn't some 'kids were goofing off and they got separated & lost', given that we know a dark world was involved, there was very likely some depths fuckery going on that seemed to have culminated in dess getting disappeared and kris having to seal the fountain, possibly completely alone
>>4064002maybe kris saw lovecraftian esque horrors in the bunker dark world
>>4064002I wonder if the Forgotten Man was Forgotten/Hunted down because he was Kris's therapist and with him around Kris's mental state would not be so bad as to work with the Knight in an attempt to fulfill their "promise".
>>4064005i think he's still around, but kris has just completely blacked out his existence either as a trauma response or to prevent (you) from prying into something extremely personal remember he is still around town in ch2 and ch4, if you know where to look
>>4064006>Trauma responseDamn this therapist sucks!!!
>>4064009could've been intended, if it was so bad that noelle is in a nigh permanent state of disassociation (and possibly also on meds to deal with it) then kris having to completely black out everything to do with the incident might've been the best course of action for her mental state, along with a couple other ticks like compulsive hand washing and playing piano when stressed
to decipher what happened that day, you must first consider kris and noelle's trauma responses.if dess simply disappeared in a literal form or got kidnapped, kris and noelle would feel guilty that they couldn't save her, that tracks, what doesnt make sense is that people in trauma scenarios where they couldnt save someone else or had to run away tend to feel guilty about not being able to help, and thus, strive to do better and try helping others more often, however, kris certainly has no issues with helping the knight kidnap their parents and undyne, plus, noelle is very willing to start killing people just because kris told her to (when told to kill the salesman, her immediate thoughts are "no, me, i could never!!" because the concept of simply stepping up and taking what she wants was foreign, instead of thinking "no kris, killing defenseless people is fucked up!"), so certainly no survivor's guilt scenarioKris' trauma got so bad that they try to not remember the face of dess from the past if they can help it (they immediately close asriel's letter to dess in chapter 5) and distanced from noelle, likely because she reminds them of dess too, so clearly the image of her was engraved onto their mind.Noelle's trauma is disassociating and going through the motions (some kind of ptsd symptom) while feeling so utterly helpless that she can hardly bring herself to do the things she wants to without someone else prompting her to, meaning that she mustve seen something THAT DAY which made her feel utterly inferior and helpless in comparison for many years.my guess is that they probably saw dess getting mauled by a big massive lovecraftian esque creature (probably the tail of hell) and it traumatized them both so hard that kris doesnt want to remember anything that seems similar to dess' face because of the final moments with her, assuming dess knight, they might know of the knight being a fucked up dess, thus, they suffer ptsd during the fight
>>4064014noelle's sense of reality seems to have shattered, meaning that the memory of the thing that mauled dess never left her mind and made her disassociate from reality really fucking hard, not to mention that she isnt aware that dess might be alive, which is why she seeks someone to fill the emptiness that dess' disappearance left, people tend to subconsciously seek their mother's characteristics on their partners, in this case, being her sister instead because she's more fond of dess than carol, and kris/susie fills this role quite well
>>4064014interestingly, kris seems more ok with dess in ch5 than with noellein the photo book, kris allows (you) to look at the group pictures with her involved in them, but immediately closes it when it gets to the part with just kris and noelleburgerpants also seems to be allowed to talk about dess with kris, although he's moreso doing it to try and cheer up kris about being alone
>>4063727>/vg/ solely exists to ban whatever's "zoomerslop" according to people who talk like discord troonsjesus no wonder this site is dying
>>4064021these uncs be soillennials frfr no cap
>the janny's reasoning for banning deltarune threads is literal "deltarune doesn't belong on /v/ for being a general and deltarune is a general because it doesn't belong on /v/"these people getting paid nothing is still to much>>4063783its honestly funny how infinitely better the weird route sprites were compared to the normal. really its funny just how much better and more memeroble the weird route's lake scene was to the normal one as a whole
so with the exeption of pink why haven't we gotten any new shop scenes with the newer chapters they added a lot of charm to undertale and early deltarune
>>4064025Temmie is too busy drawing eldritch abominations for chapter 7, please understand
>>4063827Again, every single popular theory for a weird route continuation was wrong.>Post 2 was the idea that we were going to repeat Snowgrave but with other characters each chapter (Firegrave)>Post 4 was the idea we were going to possess Noelle to do genocidesAnd now the idea is that we are going to do genocides with Kris and Noelle together Chapter 2 style despite Mantle contradicting that. So I would rather trust on "mental illness" than the fandom that has always been wrong.
