Do you actually believe the Twisted Route will be a real thing in the game?
>>>/vg/
I do believe someone should wait for when the previous thread is near the bottom of the catalog
>>4078690Toby Fox bred them
Ch5 would have been better if it let you have another chance to fight the Knight instead of a cutscene battle where the perspective shifts to flowery for no reason.Seriously, the regular old battle background with just flowery at a maximum tp bar with 999 hp just looks like a meme and I cannot take any of it seriously. It's a mockery of every single battle the game has had up until now and any fight is meaningless because of it.
>>4078699>THIS moment that uses the mechanics in a way you normally can't, solely for impact, is a bridge too far!Sure bro.
>>4078705Look at the screenshots. It looks like a meme. A big fat joke that turns the forced loss against the knight into a big fat joke, and turns the titan fight into a big fat joke.Why should I give a single fuck about any of the battles if you could just turn your stats into 999 and attack multiple times and have infinite tp?
>>4078707>Why should I give a single fuck about any of the battles if you could just turn your stats into 999 and attack multiple times and have infinite tp?Are you blind or retarded? How did you miss the part where the Knight negates Flowery's fake statistics and OHKOs him?
>>4078678We're not about to do this without image posts
>>4078709Thats even worse. It makes the battles even more meaningless if the game can just decide your stats are fake.
>>4078711Your stats were always fake and the battles were always more important for their impact on the involved characters than for something you mechanically achieved in them.
>>4078713That's stupid.
note how without deltarune threads, multiple dead threads on /v/ just sit in the catalog and rot for days
>>4078716>Without a foreign force of reddit-trannies army cooperating through the 'cord the dying imageboard would be dyingYeah nigga, but i don't see how it justifies all of this.
Why do youtubers keep making up different names for the twisted route? Just call it the twisted route. We came up with it first, so we get to name it.
>>4078727I remember when the Weird Route was called the Corruption Route. Sounds a hell of a lot coolerAt least Weird is better than the "Snowgrave Route". Even before the Firegrave theories I could tell it'd be a bad idea to try to call it that
>>4078722Why do sharteens hate anime
>>4078737because their discord groomers were that branch of millennial who grew up in the late 90's - early 00's and though anything japanese related was gay shit i'd put money down on them being primarily sonyfags from europe, maybe a couple muttmericans who are larping as 'based tradcaths'
Remember how much of a letdown the festival was?No ferris wheel cutscene, no unique clothes, no carnival games, no fireworks, no excitement, not even a real sense of fun since instead of it being the three pals enjoying the local festival and potentially having love blossom between a pair, noelle and susie are already slobbering over each other8 years of waiting, all the fanart people made, and it was honestly one of the greatest disappointments for me with this game. If it was done even remotely competently you'd see people making all sorts of art but no one gives a shit and rightfully so.It honestly felt like thishttps://youtu.be/9bV5zQbrp_Q
I seriously can't stop thinking about this fuck ass reindeer and her childhood crush. I almost crashed my car because I was daydreaming about their ferris wheel seen together. What the fuck is wrong with me?
>>4078758Pretty sure the festival was first mentioned in chapter 2 so you're wrong, it's only been a brief five years of waiting.
>>4078656No, the Twisted Route is not real.
>>4078758erm, prophecy said no fun allowed unless susie says so chid
>>4078758it was a letdown visually and mechanically sure but the dialogue was way better than I thought it would be. Very surprising amount and quality of character stuff. Noelle's speech when you vote for her and kris is one of my favorite scenes in the game, and choosing double kris is an extremely rare cute soul and kris interaction. The hammer game leaves a lot to think about with the themes of the game, and the pizzapants subplot was cute. Susie also gets some of her best dialogue in the weird route version of it.It was a little lame but I'll take character stuff over gameplay stuff any day.
Between Little Kris and Current Kris who would (You) choose as your Vessel?
>>4078773i'd feel bad for breaking little krisregular kris is already broken and it wasn't my fault
>>4078656This is not a role-playing game. It’s a pixelated walking simulator aimed at gender-confused preteens.Why do mods allow non-RPG threads in the RPG board?
>>4078771Gameplay is the Dark World's job anyway. Including whatever weird ass minigame Toby feels like making with about his pet cat as his sanity drains
>>4078773Little Kris wouldn't hold back and might even know magic.I'll just try not to get hit because she probably wouldn't have a lot of HP
im playing games that inspired toby to pass the [wait]. ost and some neat puzzles aside, off was kinda boring senpai. the combat was just so braindead.i imagine the meta stuff was novel at the time and that's why it had such an impact on toby, right? i dunno do you like this game? i think i definitely wouldve enjoyed it a lot more as a teenager lol. it felt juvenile.oh well, on to live a live.
>>4078790Yeah, Off dropped in 2008 and I can't even think of any other really meta games that came out around then. It was basically just metal gear solid as far as I know. It didn't become a staple thing people did until the mid 2010s alongside undertale.
>>4078699>Ch5 would have been better if it let you have another chance to fight the Knight instead of a cutscene battle where the perspective shifts to flowery for no reason.fun fact, toby was actually planning to program that in, there's an unused Flower sprite meant to be a soul-esque entity like the one seen in battles, implying that you were gonna try to help flowery win, but toby scrapped it and just made it a cutscene fight
>>4078799Gaster and Player parallelism never stops.
>>4078802yeah lol, i think i saw it in a tetrabit gaming vid, it doesn't seem to be in the tcrf chapter 5 page (althrough i haven't checked that page throughly so who knows)
>>4078790Yeah I just hit the auto button on every non boss fight or purified enemyI've been checking out the remake recently and the combat's better, but the music makes it a no-goI thought it still told an interesting story though. Honestly the combat just felt like ads in the middle of what actually mattered
>>4078795>and I can't even think of any other really meta games that came out around then.Irisu Syndrome was first released on 2008. And then you had stuff like Imscared, Eversion, Totono, etc, during the early 2010's.
>>4078790The gameplay was meh but the presentation? The music? That was top notch. Yeah, it's a product of its time and you have to keep in mind that it influenced a ton of stuff. It's hard to explain the exact appeal, similar to Yume Nikki. Games like that probably feel like a waste of time in the current year.
>>4078778I don't care about his cat. That was valuable development time wasted
>>4078815This retard is still seething. Nice.
>>4078771You mean that part where Susie put suselle in as festival king and queen and you dont even get to vote. Despite them interacting less on the weird route in general? What a piece of shit, adding that in at the last moment, it feels like amkick in the nuts after the festival got skipped
>>4078795>>4078812there was also a wave of flash games that played with meta tropes/storylines back. e.g. depict1
>>4078816Where's graze challenge 2
so is there any particular reason why the town looks like a twister ripped through it at the end of ch5 or do towns always look like shit after a festival
>>4078815If you hate the Kitty you go to hell when you die
fuck where is chapter 6, nigga fox
>>4078833Wait for the next Nintendo Direct, kudasai.
>>4078833Coming out in December 2026
>>4078834>>4078837there's zero chance ch6 is releasing before the second quarter of 2027it might be announced in the february direct if we're lucky
>>4078838Yeah and if it ain't announced in the feburary direct, we gotta wait until JUNE for chapter 6
>>4078722kind of sad if the only threads capable of reaching pre-hack levels of activity was both forced and for "disgusting tranny indieslop" or however you mouthbreathers define it
>>4078847Did Yellow really say that...
>>4078817>You mean that part where Susie put suselle in as festival king and queen and you dont even get to vote. Despite them interacting less on the weird route in general?Noelle wrote Kris's name there, in case you didn't get it.
>>4078858I got it. Susie got her character shot for suselle even on the weird route. That's the only thing you get to see.
>>4078716crazy how there's still threads from august on there
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4078858Noelle voted for Kris Dreamer as the Queen btw.
>>4078864But I didn't name him after the one I love, the vessels a boy
>>4078866The Vessel assumes you named it after something you love.
Noelle’s longest “Fahaha” laugh thus far is caused by Kris.
I named him after my son.
>>4078656Honestly, no. I think aborting at 5 will lead to something new in 6 but not a straight up new route at all.>>4078678It's unbearable to do that without images, we just need to conserve our images better, we did well in the one before the last one but last one was super active for some reason.
Imagine a dynamic where your player avatar sees you as their father and you spend a whole game bonding and going on adventures together That would be so cute
>>4078869Aww
>>4078868Are we fahaha scaling now??
>>4078758The festival was the only time doomers were completely and utterly right. It was just reskinned sprites for Suselleslop.
>>4078773I would love to play as Aqua so kiddo Kris.
>>4078865You're so fucking annoying. Why don't you go to >>>/lgbt/ where you belong? We're trying to discuss the game here, not your fetish.
>>4078848Yes, he wants to be breed himself.
>>4078882This is a gay game though.
>>4078882You're so easy to bait it's almost embarassing.
>>4078887I don't care if this is bait. I'm sick of seeing all these retarded yurifags. We're trying to discuss the game here, but he just won't shut up about his fetish. Just look at this shit. https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/Mo-dWtJaVRV2HpAa3l08YA/
>>4078893It's a really cute image!
>>4078895What's so cute about mental illness?
>>4078896Noelle Holiday is cute even though she's mentally ill.
>>4078893You do the same thing, bro. You always post the same Kriselle but straight images. This is the pot calling the kettle black.
>>4078893>Femkrisfag is a retarded coomer who just wants to fuck KrisLike clockwork.
>>4078900Doecoomers have historically been the biggest coomers in this thread that just want to fuck Noelle, this isn't an own.
>>4078902Erm that actually doesn't count because...IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY.
>>4078898>You always post the same Kriselle but straight imagesI don't even know who you're talking about.
>>4078902>Doecoomers have historically been the biggest coomers in this thread that just want to fuck NoelleBut for some reason, I haven't seen them in the threads at all. You can check the archive and see for yourself. On the other hand, I've seen a bunch of obnoxious yurifags who can't shut up about their fetish.
>another femkris threadcan the utgtards PLEASE fuck off to their glorified erp chatroom fucking thanks
>>4078904You always post the same Kriselle shipping images as well as well as your copypastas about Kris being a boy.>>4078907You definitely are a newfag because doecoomers were inescapable on /v/. The entire doerape meme is a doecoomer meme for example.
>>4078909Well what do you want to talk about?Do you want to talk about how Toby personally made the game horrible just to spite me? Another discussion about 7B? Another gender war discussion?
>>4078902Don't you get what I'm trying to say? It doesn't matter who the biggest coomer is. Femkrisfags want Kris to be a girl just because they want to fuck him. They don't think with their heads, they don't think with their hearts, they think with their dicks.>>4078909>can the utgtards PLEASE fuck off to their glorified erp chatroom fucking thanksTHIS
>>4078914>Femkrisfags want Kris to be a girl just because they want to fuck him.And MaleKrisfags just want Kris to be a boy so they can self insert. See I can generalize too.
>>4078910>YouI don't know who you're talking about. There aren't two people in this thread.>The entire doerape meme is a doecoomer meme for example.This meme started because of the "deflowering" animation. Everyone was joking about it, not just LE DOECOOMERS who live in your head.
>>4078913I have noticed that most of the gay discussion happens during American hours
>>4078915>And MaleKrisfags just want Kris to be a boy so they can self insertNope, Kris is a boy because it's genuine. It looks natural. The game is already full of gay shit. Do you want it to be even gayer?
>>4078917>I don't know who you're talking aboutThis guy who started it all >>4078920>This meme started because of the "deflowering" animation. Yes, and it devolved about wanting to fuck Noelle, you can't pretend a meme about raping Noelle isn't sexual in nature, to not forget about all the times they just posted porn in the /v/ threads, too.
Kris (real name Christopher Dreemurr) is a MAN.A very good looking MAN from the MANcountry.
>>4078915It's very hard not to see Kris as a separate character. It is also very difficult to self-insert as him. Most people just feel sympathy for Kris after what happened in Chapter 5.
>>4078914And doecoomers want Kris to be male so he can rape Noelle, too. Both sides think with their dicks, stop with the moralfagging.
>>4078922>to not forget about all the times they just posted porn in the /v/ threadsI don't fucking care what happened back then. Right now, this thread is full of obnoxious yurifags and femkrisfags. They make it impossible to discuss the game.
>>4078925>It is also very difficult to self-insert as him.If only that was true.
Apparently this is the apex of masculinity.
>>4078928All that happened is that one guy replied to you about Noelle voting Kris as the queen and you're having a meltdown over it. If anyone is stopping discussion of the game is you being easily triggered.
>>4078930He's a young man.What, don't like pretty boys?
>>4078926>Both sides think with their dicks, stop with the moralfagging.Oh... So Kriselle isn't romantic at all? Do you think Kriselle doesn't evoke any feelings other than lust? Do you believe Kriselle fails to evoke any emotion other than lust? All of these artworks and fan games that were inspired by Kriselle were probably just a coincidence. Meanwhile, most FemKrisfags only draw loli porn LMAO
>>4078933I like pretty girls, but I respect your taste
>>4078931>All that happened is that one guy replied to you about Noelle voting Kris as the queenNah-uh. See >>4078893 All this happened because I've seen the exact same fucking posts a dozen times. For God's sake, just shut up already.
>>4078934The most famous Kriselle artist is a dyke btw. Goomy also believes in FemKris so I guess she doesn't count to you?
>>4078930>Apparently this is the apex of masculinity.Well, Kris is clearly male, considering that he's broader than Noelle. Have you ever seen a 16-year-old girl with such broad shoulders?
>>4078938Susie
>>4078929>If only that was trueIt's true, though. We're literally the soul. We're not Kris. Kris doesn't like us.
>>4078936You also make the same posts with the same images like >>4078938, you aren't in the position to talk about it. Just filter the image if it triggers you that much.
>>4078934Both aren't mutually exclusive, dude, plus I would say FemKris has way lesser porn draw of it than Kriselle does so I don't see your point. You're just trying to look more superior on 4chan of all places.
>>4078939>SusieSusie is a giant lizard monster. She'd be taller than most of the anons here. Noelle is the one most comparable to a human.>>4078941>You also make the same posts with the same images like NTA I'm posting facts and actual sprites from the game. This isn't just my fantasy like it is for the yurifags here.
>>4078942>Both aren't mutually exclusive, dude, plusFemkrisfags only talk about how they want to have sex with Kris. Krisellefags discuss the game and post screencaps. I don't understand how you can't see the difference.
>>4078943>NTA I'm posting facts and actual sprites from the game.You also post the same pieces of fanart, too. You do the same things you complain others do, you are just being hypocritical. Stop sperging out and learn to filter images if it triggers you so much.
Since we're having Gender discourse let's talk about the gender of other nonbinary characters: Seam, Monster Teen, Seth and Green.
>>4078944Because there isn't, you just see yourself in rose tinted glasses as if the "kriselle" discussion isn't about how trad and based kriselle is or talking about how much of a man Kris is like an insecure child.
>>4078945>You also post the same pieces of fanart, tooWhen was the last time I did that? Can you find it in the archive?
>>4078946All girls, next question.
>>4078946Male, male, female, female. Done.
>>4078946MK and MT is obviously written like a boy regardless of pronoun shit
>>4078948Last thread you posted that one picture of Noelle pulling Kris ear, for example.
>>4078951The Woke left doesn't want girls to say Yo anymore...
>>4078947>Because there isn'tHoly fucking retard. I'll say it again: all the femkrisfags do is horny posting. Krisellefags are actually discussing the game. This image literally proves my point. >>4078893 >>4078900
>>4078952Give me the link. Let's see how many times I've posted the same picture.
>>4078955I don't want to go to the trouble of going to last thread to check it for your own autism.
>>4078957I couldn't find the picture you were talking about. I think it was either a hallucination on your part or I didn't post it.
>>4078955NTA but pic related was posted at least 20 times across all boards under the filename "A broken dream"
>>4078946>SeamMale in english, female in japanese>MTMale>SethOriginal design was ugly as fuck and based on a male character of the same name. Is only a they because of Toby's they/them autism.>GreenFemale, was even misgendered by the game on accident
>>4078893Woah man someone posting an image more than once that’s CRAZY
>>4078955NTA but one example of fanart >>4076974
>>4078959So what? I was discussing the game. It's literally a scene from the game.
>>4078900Name me a characterfag here who doesn’t just want to fuck their respective character here?
>>4078961This is slander I only have sex with ERAM.
>>4078962>NTA but one example of fanartAnon.... This is literally just a visualization of Noelle's room. Everything in it is taken from the game.
>>4078909>biting the “bait”you deserve this thread
>>4078964I'm Krisellefag, and I simply want Kris and Noelle to be happy.
>>4078964I'm Krisellefag, and I simply want Kris and Noelle to suffer.
>>4078970>I simply want Kris and Noelle to suffer.Then you're not a krisellefag.
>>4078909But utg hates femkris. Femkris is /v/core
>>4078973Sorry buddy but Kriselle is built for suffering and lost dreams and a terrible, terrible fate.
>>4078974>But utg hates femkrisAre you serious?
What would Noelle see if she tried to look through a Shadow Crystal?
>>4078964floweryfags don't want to fuck him as far as i'm awareflowery with tits, though...
>>4078976Yes, they only like non-binary male Kris to make gayposts about it.
>>4078977For some strange reason, for a brief moment, it looked like...Everyone else disappeared......and you saw Kris smiling at you, with arms full of flowers.
>>4078977A happy future with Kris.
>>4078964I mean i'm a ralsusiefag despite not wanting to fuck either susie or ralsei I just find their dynamic endearing and want the best for them (even if they can get really infuriating at points). if i had to list the characters i've beat it to the most they'd probably be muffet, undyne, chara, and queen i guess
>>4078958It's just child Noelle pulling Kris ear with the filename being a string of numbers, but based on your responses to people posting your other pictures you would just cope about it.
>>4078978I'm gonna pollinate a flower.
>>4078988Ralsei...
>>4078974>>4078979>But utg hates femkrisWrong. It's full of femkrisfags. Most of them come here to us. https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/579386443/#579423454https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/boards/vg.meta/text/Femkris/
>>4078922that's in the past anon. this is /vrpg/
>>4078985>but based on your responses to people posting your other pictures you would just cope about it.What cope? I was literally posting scenes from the game. I used those pictures to support my point. I was talking about the game.
>>4078991>linked post talks about /utg/ 'suddenly caring' about femkris>linked board search shows a sudden uptick in the last few days with whole week gaps between mentions before iti'm not sure what point you're trying to prove here anon, because it's proving the exact opposite of what you said
>>4078992/vrpg/ still has posts lusting over the doe even if the limited image count stops some of that.
>>4078994That's because nobody uses the word "femKris." Just scroll through the /utg/ threads and see for yourself how many femkrisfags there are.
>>4078991That post is literally complaining about FemKris and saying Kris needs to be a boy for gaysex, same with the other general link.
>>4078998then why would you even link those...? no seriously what was the thought process here i'm fucking lost
>>4078995>even if the limited image count stops some of that.But that doesn't stop the femkrisfags and yurifags, though. Why is that?
>>4079000>then why would you even link those...?Because I don't want to dig through this shit. I just skimmed through it.
>>4079002that still doesn't make sense, in that case why would you even link anything at all? just say "search the archive yourself lazy faggot" like any regular anon would instead of posting links that do the exact opposite of proving your point
i'm indifferent to kris's gender
>>4079001It does, though, you just get triggered really easy, anon.
>>4079005>It doesNah-uh. I don't see anyone else posting horny stuff here besides the femkrisfags.
Since we know of the upcoming Nintendo Direct, it's annoying but it will take at least six months for the next one, so Chapter 6 isn't releasing any earlier than march 2027
I don't understand why yurifags and femkrisfags are even here. There's a whole board just for you >>>/u/4574974 go there.
TOBY PLEASE I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THESE THREADS RELEASE A NEWSLETTER A STREAM ANYTHING PLEASE.
Is there an archive for /u/? I want to check something.
>>4079015You can just go outside and have a life, anon, you aren't forced to post here 24/7
>>4079015we might get something for UT's anniversary
>>4079013>s*selle well there you go
Why does Krisselfinsertbrownfat do the same routine every time but pretend that he’s not a recurring lolcowAnyway laugh at Kris
>>4079025Damn Imagine how smaller Little Kris was.
>>4079028>Damn Imagine how smaller Little Kris wasKris was bigger than Noelle when they were kids.
>>4079031Even more Orange and Noelle parallelisms with both of them being the smallest in their respective group.
>>4079025>Only Alphys and Temmie are smaller than himGrim
Yeah bro it's only the femkrisfags who ever post the same images talking about the same things over and over, nobody else does it
Nobody ever posts the same images but femkrisfags, especially not krisellefags, that's just common knowledge
What could possibly make you think otherwise, it's ridiculous
erm, t-t-that’s not me…
It's only the femkrisfags bro
Erm I'm just posting canon images...
I wouldn’t even call self-inserters corny if they just admitted it
>>4079037>>4079039>>4079040>>4079042Note that these are all screencaps and discussions about the actual game. You can't compare me to this retarded >>4078893 creature.
>>4079046I always love seeing this image in these threads.
>>4079048You can't post screencaps to back up your argument, anon. That's against the rules.
>>4079049
>>4079011Somebody already said this, but you're insane if you think Chapter 6 is coming earlier than the second quarter of 2027.
I trust in a pre-summer 2027 Chapter 6 because it would make /v/ mods cry extra hard
>>4079053It's meant to be shorter and a good chunk of the team is already working in 7 so I see no reason why it should take any longer than a whole year after 5
STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT KRIS HAS A PENIS AND DISCUSS MY NEW SCHIZOTHEORY>Papyrus is stated to be "busy" in promotional material, which would imply he's working somewhere.>Sans states Papyrus would "really like the Festival" but "he couldn't make it this year.">If he was a NEET or was had his weekend off he could easily just go outside, and the festival covers the entire town, so he can't be working in Hometown either.>Hometown is implied to have been recently shut off from the world, or even be a simulated reality.>The only accessible exit in Hometown is the bottom of the lake.>Sans's house is shown in to have a fast travel door.>Which normally only appears in the dark world.>"BUT WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN??????">DELTARUNE as a concept predates UNDERTALE.>The weird route as a concept at the absolute least goes back to UNDERTALE's early development, with the Sound Test room foreshadowing Happy Town.>Sans has a MANDATORY CUTSCENE for the weird route.>Is strongly connected to the metanarrative's of both games.>Is confirmed to have come from DELTARUNE and likely fled after a disaster most likely occurring in chapter 7. This has been implied since UNDERTALE.>From this, the weird route could have easily factored into the Skelebros early designs.>Papyrus as stated by Toby Fox is heavily based off Dedan>In OFF, Dedan is the guardian of Zone 1. >Dedan resides in the region of Alma which produces meat.>A MEAT FACTORY if you will...
>>4079073Very lickable Vessel legs.
>>4079074Are you saying Papyrus is stuck in the Meat Factory in the depths.Yeah makes sense if he feels guilty about it with his whole "EVERYONE CAN BE A BETTER PERSON IF THEY JUST TRIED" gimmick he has in Undertale.
>>4079073>>4079075Hmm. Are vesselfags just the same retarded coomers as femkrisfags?
>>4079078nigga said hmm like he's in a fanfic
https://youtu.be/ieS0a41QmaY
>>4079072>and a good chunk of the team is already working in 77B to be precise, there's probably very few if any team members working on 7 right now.>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/ch5-release-date/>This sounds crazy, but it’s not unrealistic that some staff members may start working on Chapter 7 before the end of the year.
>>4079079I do that in real life, too
>>4079037>>4079039>>4079040>>4079042This is what I was talking about in terms of hypocrisy from his side, thanks for compiling it for me.
>>4079084>This is what I was talking aboutSee >>4079048There's a big difference between us. It's not the same thing.
>>4079074Papyrus is at the depths, correct. That's why he's so Dark Worldpilled in Undertale like calling all trashcans "Trashy", confusing Flowey for Flowery because he's a golden flower and having a rock as a pet.
>>4079078You're too obsessed with coomers on 4chan of all places.
>>4079088I just don't like the parasites who only talk about their fetish and don't discuss the game itself.
>>4079088complaining about people jerking off online is his way of filling the silence in his life, don't be too hard on him
does Krisellekoomer have any opinions about this game that doesn’t revolve around Kris Mcselfinsert or Noelle Holitradwifenopersonality
>>4079074People say Happy Town was foreshadowed in the sound test but I really don't hear the similarityVery plausible theory but the main question is WHAT would Paps be possibly doing in the meat factory?
>>4079094The Song that played at the WR Festival is named happy_town in the files so it's definitely connected. Trouble Dingle is probably Ominious_worse.The only two songs left are Meat Factory and Gaster's theme.
>>4079092Yeah. I think Toby is adding too many pointless gimmicks and forgetting about the RPG aspects of the game. After all, it's an RPG, and the RPG elements should be the main focus.
>CoL out of nowhere
>>4079099nigga get your ass back to /doe/ if you wanna post random kris/noelle images
>>4079098Who?>>4079100NTA tell all the femkrisfags to go to >>>/u/ too.
Clearly.
>>4079104I feel like Berdly would be white or hapa, not sure about full asian. It could work, but it's just not the first that comes to mind.
>>4079094Because they have the exactly same name dude, it's definitely a reference to it.
>>4079098Everyone who sees Kriselle as the ultra trad relationship has similar views.
>>4079110What views?
That one anon who said that HMOFA is just BBC in a trenchcoat was onto something given how this guy showed last thread that he screams to the heavens over Kris with tits but has no reaction to his preferred ship being miscegenation by default.
>>4079114No, it's colonization in a trenchcoat. It's the equivalent of posting those european guys fucking native women.
>>4079106Berdly feels like a black nerd to me desu.
>>4079114I wanted to say it's more of a Bleached thing, but Bleached is just an inverse Blacked, which is just BBC, so yeah I can see the HMOFA and BBC connections.
>>4079114The only two characters into speciesplay in UTDR are Alphys and Chara. Both are on opposites end of the spectrum though.
>>4079114>muh miscegenationI don't care if a couple is heterosexual.
>>4079123So Kerdly and Kralsei are okay for you?
>>4079126>KerdlyNo, because Kris is a boy. >Kralsei Same thing, but on top of that, the pseudo-incest + Ralsei isn't even real. It's just like dating your own tulpa or something.
I spent the whole day arguing with retards on the internet...
>>4079096>>4079109I thought the name was supposed to be an Earthbound reference
>>4079123You are quite literally picrel.
>>4079134Kris should be shorter but broader than Noelle.
>>4079122Kris is too all memes aside.
/v/ thread got autosaged lmao
>>4079133It could be, but the Deltarune version is a reference to the Undertale version.
>>4079142Damn, I completely missed it
>20% of posts are image postsI know this will cause people to spam image posts, but seriously try to be a little more restrained.
>>4079148We were doing very well the last few threads so it's probably an autism break.
so what the fuck is the knight's motives?
>>4079148Blame the femkrisfags. They can't help themselves >>4079046 >>4079051 >>4079073 >>4078935 >>4078930>>4078927 And that's not even all.
>>4079152Rent free
>>4079154>Rent freeAnon, just scroll through the thread.
>>4079140Kris is into interspecies but not into the extreme stuff.
I think Kris has a b-cup
Kris is actually a twink but femkrisfags cant accept their homosexuality so they try to turn him into a troon
SHUT UPSHUT THE FUCK UPSHUT THE FUCK UUUPPSHUTTHEFUCKUUUUUUUPPPPPPSHUT UPOH MY GOD SHUT UPSHUT THE FUCK UPSHUT THE FUCK UP OH MY GODSHUT THE FUCK UPJUST SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>4079163uh oh schizo melty time!
>>4079142I made a general vidya topic the other day but just so happened to use a Kris picture for the OP, so the thread got deleted and I got a warning.Complete fucking descent into insanity, man. It's sad.
>MUH HMOFA>LE DOECOOMERSFemKrisfags... Kris is an HMOFAfag and a doecoomer himself, if you haven't noticed.
>>4079163Ralsei, I don't care how angry you are at Flowery, he was completely right, you're a bitch, and will continue to be a bitch.
>>4079152Two of those are Aqua you fucking schizo.
>>4079150Kidnapping people for an occult ritual in the shelter.
>>4079172aqua is femkris for pedos
>>4079168He likes Susie far more than Noelle nowadays
>>4079172Femkrisfags and Aquafags are literally the same people.
>>4079176Too bad Susie doesnt like him back and is in the process of replacing him with Noelle
>>4079168Kris is a female santa.
>>4079175Unironically mindbroken.
>>4079176I don't think so.
guy who’s mad that aqua doesn’t wear pants and goes by he/him
>>4079178Kris should probably say something instead of meandering like a retard
>>4079180Can we get rid of all the pedos and chuds who call Kris he?
>>4079172Femkrisfags and Aquafags are all lolifags.
>>4079176>>4079178It feels like Susie was just using Kris to get closer to Noelle. She even refuses to go to the beach with Kris because now it's a place just for her and Noelle.
>>4079186peak NTR moment I coomed hard
>>4079188Toby...
>>4079182I can't believe that schizo even hates Aqua now, too. She's literally a 4chancore character.
>>4079186I very much hope Toby realizes how unlikeable Susie's writing has become, sorry if you act like this I kinda hope the prophecy fucks you in the ass
>>4079190Who said I hate Aqua? I think Aqua is cute and pretty interesting character. I don't like Aquafags because they're connected to FemKrisfags >>4079185 And I'm not schizo, I'm actually a pretty reasonable person.
>>4079186She can't let you go to the lake because then you'd see Noelle's drowned corpse floating in the water and that's a spoiler for chapter 6.
>>4079186>>4079192I think it's written like that on purpose. Kris has shown that they have certain doubts about whatever they are planning with the Knight, or if not that just guilt. Now that Susie is pushing them away Kris no longer needs to hold back and will backstab her more easily.
>>4079194>She can't let you go to the lake because then you'd see Noelle's drowned corpse floating in the waterOkay. How does Susie know about this?
>>4079195>More easily>Hesitated in tearing apart the code just a few minutes earlier
>>4079196Flowery told her.
>>4079195>Kris no longer needs to hold back and will backstab her more easilyThat's my boy. Let's fuck this shit up.
>>4078790Yeah, nobody has ever had high praise for OFF's actual gameplay. It's an incredibly by the numbers RPG maker product in that regard, and a poorly designed one too. You get moves of all four elements, but half of them are only unlocked if you push wildly beyond the game's level curve. And the gameplay doesn't reinforce other elements of the game as well as it does in something like Undertale, either.The atmosphere and writing was interesting but not directly enjoyable to me even back as a teenager. The characters are all kind of miserable, and any mirth you can find is mostly of a blunt and morbid flavor. Not really my style. I think most of what spoke to Toby is the premise of a game acknowledging the player as a separate entity who the protagonist provides limited information to in order to manipulate.
>>4079195In the sense her attitude has been compromised by her obsession for Noelle. But Susie is Toby's precious pet character so you can't count on anything she'll ever do to be berated by the story
>>4078790try ttyd next for a change
>>4079200OFF is so by the numbers that it basically just renamed the default project template's items and left it at that if I remember correctly. It was so bad that the Forgotten Dreams translation did the bare minimum of adjusting the stat curves enough so you're not wildly overpowered by just playing the game normally.
>>4079206Don't recommend someone start with the second game. If you'll like TTYD there's high odds you'll like the original, and it's better to play the original first because TTYD is a massive improvement from a gameplay standpoint.
I wouldn't be mad if kris got confirmed as a chick or anything but outside of very specific lines that I admit are odd (non-men are ok too etc) everything about kris's position feels like a very male oriented struggle, especially considering the implications of where it will go and the inspirations toby used for their arc
>>4079211>everything about kris's position feels like a very male oriented struggle,THIS
>>4078790Yeah you kinda had to be there. Off only got popular because of the Homestuck hiatuses, which had the fanbase split between Danganronpa and Off. You can especially see it in early fanart which so desperately tried to characterise Dedan as another flavor of Karkat.If you found the gameplay boring, I can only assume you played the original 2.0 translation. It's too late now, but if you ever wanted to give the game another try, this is the best way to experience it: https://ivynivek.itch.io/off-fd-translation
>>4079211I see Kris as a dude, I just dislike the schizos who base their entire existence on Kris being "canonically" a dude instead of just letting people imagine what they want.
>>4079215>schizosI just don't like people who are deluding themselves into believing that Kris is a girl just because that's their fetish.
retarded horny shipcuck brown who dislikes 99% of the game’s characters
>>4079221Fat puppy
>>4079214Both OFF AND Danganronpa only really took off because of the hiatuses, in fact. Before the hiatuses, the only translation of Danganronpa was the text Let's Play. The first official English release and the start of development on a sequel both only began after that explosion of western popularity. So you've got Homestuck to thank for any DR past the original, just like for OFF's newish steam release.
>>4079221cofk
>>4079220Why are you seething? The only character I don't like is Susie.
I hope Susie continues to steal Kris’s fuckmeat
>>4079228Berdly?
>>4079228what if Susie just fucks them both
>>4079212not even talking about the obvious ship jokes it's just not very girly to methodically cut everyone off (noelle, catti, berdly, all who Kris used to hang with) for the specific purpose of reaching a long-term goal. They have put everything on their shoulders due to a mix of resolve and deep-seated resentment that I can't really square a girl having. Same reasons a girl Guts or the literal inspiration Oersted just wouldn't really work
>>4079224>>4079225Cute Kris.
>>4079228That's LITERALLY cucking me Tobias
>>4079197That meant nothing. It was done as a prank. One last act of spite before the chapter ended.
>>4079197>Hesitated in tearing apart the code just a few minutes earlierI think thats because hes trying to commit an action that goes against our desire while we're still inside him. Same thing happened reading off the guitar code
our antagonists (and forgotten man)
>>4079260The Soul is the most evil character in this image btw.
>>4079031her wording makes it sound like this happened a very long time ago'even smaller than kris' is an acknowledgement that kris was still pretty small even at the time, but just a bit bigger than her
>>4079260been thinking about the little guy a lot since the newsletter. If toby does confirm they're at the center of the icee stuff then they've been foreshadowed as long as gaster has, right? Makes me wonder if the Nightmare snowman was referencing the snowman piece that asks you to take it to the ends of the earth.Regardless, if we don't deal with eram in normal route it's going to be pretty crazy to just leave a kid killing cryptid and it's cats just running around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaTA0Eh-XOU
>>4079268One thing that interests me more is how does he know so much about Side B and it's future?
>>4079268Eram is cool but they're still a big ass mystery box, I still think they were just pixel Seam, though.
Chapter 6 castle town dojo, You'll start the boss rush, Netskie will imitate a boss, after the first round, Netskie gets booked for identity theft, dojo content for the chapter completed!
>>4079278Based
>>4079273I think he has a plan, and it's expressed through the Mantle boards and the ARG. He has a way he thinks things will go, and it ends with just him and the soul.I think that there is a very, very important deer shaped factor that he is underestimating, though, and it will bite him in the ass
Which boss is gonna be oneshotted in 7B? My money is on the Knight and Gaster.
>>4079281>It will bite him in the assDear ERAM doesn't have to worry. As long as i get my Vessel i'll make sure Noelle is USED UP myself.
7b being a joke and having you one-shot every enemy
>>4079284Wait a second, that's just Geno after Undyne the Undying!
>>4079284>>4079286muffet and sans got actual fights tho
>>4079287They both are oneshot though. Sans dies in one hit, you just can't hit him.
>>4079281SHE WAS USED UP
>>4079289YOU WERE USED UP
>>4079289>>4079290>and then I'll use everyone up, take the soul, and win!!!
>>4079291This happened in geno though. We USED UP Undertale and destroyed it.
>>4079282Knight and Gaster might makes sense because Tenna gets wiped out in one hit, but I think it's probably gonna be someone else, if there's any boss that's gonna get oneshotted in the first place.
>>4079278toby i will fucking kill you
>>4079278I know the whole "Toby would totally do this" is a meme at this point, but Toby would totally do this.
>>4079295I said Knight and Gaster because of the Gaster parallel dying in one hit after being confronted by the person they modified the original world for and because the Mimic room in Mantle 3 with the dark Monster also dies in one hit.
Where's graze challenge 2 you piece of shit
>>4079293Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying we have no idea how it'll shake out.If we assume it's like genocide in Undertale, we already failed. We have 0 successful kills by the time we do lake skip. Maybe one, but the game intentionally never lets you see Spamton's body. Not to mention you could be sparing literally everyone in-between all of this.
>>4079301You get the Puppetscarf and during the Tenna Pipis cutscene Spamton doesn't come out, showing we killed him.And the killing is for 7B like our lord and savior Mantle 3 said.
>>4079303Perhaps, but there's still a lot of inconsistencies with the framing of it that lead me to believe we'll get a shot at backstabbing eram.I think twisted sword stuff is off the table now that it's revealed 7b is as big as it is
>>4079291This is implying Eram is planning for us to do the weird route when even the ARG implies otherwise.
>>4079305No I think he wants that. He even says "What did you think?" to people that answered "Under the lake" in the ARG.
>>4079301We need to make Noelle strong enough to do lake skip, which is why only kills using her matter. In 7B we will actually kill more with the workout ready body
>>4079304Oh I definitely think we will backstab ERAM and kill them.
Reminder that ERAM is still 80% fan speculation and that we don't even have their name
What if the dude from the ARG isn't Eram
>>4079311Who else could it be. It can't be Gaster because it doesn't talk like him, it can't be FRIEND because they're all retarted cats.
...How have none of you realized that the MANTLE games are supposed to represent multiple playthroughs on different routes, which is why they make no sense chronologically?>oh but the-Explain the connection between the first game and the weird route without conceding MANTLE takes place on more than one playthrough. The ice key doesn't represent the ThornRing/FreezeRing since you get it before the whitecloak joins you.
>>4079314this is going to sound fucking wacko but what if the boards aren't 1 to 1
>>4079314Okay, which playthroughs do they represent, them?
>>4079314It's the grind to unlock Snowgrave/The ThornRing. You don't start Mantle 2 with the White Cloak by your side, she's there for a brief part at the end.Mantle is also connected to the Weird Route on a massive level >>4078764
>>4079310ERAM might not even be that important. It might just be Kris's red horned headband that they lost inside the dark bunker while exploring with Dess, representing all of young Kris's malicious and childish impulses.
>>4079319That wouldn't mean they're not important? That would just be their origin.
>>4079321Hmm, true.
All this talk about the twisted route is reinvigorating my hopes for chapter 6, not becuase I believe it will happen, the opposite, actually, it won't happen, and I know a lot of people here are gonna cry about it, just like the people who thought the festival wouldn't be pure suselleslop did when chapter 5 came out. I'm gonna enjoy the tears very much.
>>4079326You're not owning anyone by admitting you're proud of having shit taste and consuming anything Toby decides you should
>>4079326
What is this suppose to mean?
>>4079334Those who know and those who don't know
>>4079334Kris and Ralsei are boys. Noelle and Susie are girls.
>>4079334heroes not heroes shrimple as
>>4079334Monsters vs non-monsters
>>4079337Noelle is not a hero though. She might even be more evil than Kris.
>>4079326Based and same.
>>4079334It's obvious.
>>4079339yes that's what i said
>>4079334Kris and Ralsei are going to hell
>>4079343AAAIIEEEE BUT MY WHOLESOME KRISELLE YURIIIIII
>>4079334Is this why Toby decided to start referring to Ralsei with they/them all of a sudden
can someone please explain why people sperg out so much at the idea of the protagonist not being the same sex as themit's just engagement bait, right? there no way anyone actually gets upset about it
>>4079347Epstein...
>>4079349Because if it's a different sex then it's more difficult to self-insert. That's basically it.
>>4079349Because Kris wouldn't look natural if he were a girl. Everything points to him being a boy.
>>4079349but i like soozie
>>4079349Self-inserters are genuinely mentally ill, that's why.
>>4079351>self-insertI get that it's your only argument. But that's the real reason >>4079211 >>4079232
I think some of you have a warped perception of women.
>>4079351>>4079354>MUH Self-insertersI see Kris as a distinct character, whom I sympathize with.
>>4079357That's not true. This is a woman, no?
>>4079357It’s funny to me that the Krisellebrown genuinely hates any female character having any interesting traits
>>4079361LMAO why are you seething? By the way, I like almost all the characters except Susie. She's too retarded and hypocritical, sorry.
>>4079357We are on 4chan, all "women" are just waifus for our MC.
Take a shot when he says seething, take two shots when he says Femkris
>>4079366Seething femkrisfag.
>>4079356what part of that post upset you? I don't self insert with kris at all. I just looked at it through the lens of a character designer. I literally said I wouldn't mind if they were a girl. Can you recommend any media that does something similar with a girl mc? I guess madoka is one, but it definitely has a different vibe, right?
>>4079366*glugglugglug*
>>4079366>Dies
>>4079314>board 1, you kill everybody>board 2, you kill everybody, beat your white cloak gf up, then she kills everybody and you two die>board 3, you kill everybodysince none of these are pacifist, i have to ask, why the fuck would there be Side B, C and D routes??
>>4079373I feel like boy and girl are swapped there.
Kris always has these masculine roles. He's literally: a knight, a protector, someone who pursues his goal despite the suffering, a struggler. It just doesn't make sense that Kris is a girl.
>>4079376kris is the middle point between varik and aqua
>>4079376We’re forgetting that Kris fails at all these traits through, because Kris is a LOSER
>>4079378He's just a manlet Varik.
>>4079380>Kris fails at all these traits throughIt's too early to judge. We still have two more chapters to go. Maybe everything will work out for him, and he'll get what he wants and protect his loved ones.
>>4079376why do you keep portraying kris as some kind of gigachad when canonically kris is a 5'0" humanlet with dainty princess hands
>>4079380Kris is just a little girl inside repressing her feelings and failing to be the emotionless manly knight she must be to save the world.
What if Varik was a girl
>>4079384I love Kris but you're forgetting they took the golden seeds and are going to kill themselves, unless death is the literal key to reaching the other side, mirroring Noelle and Kris in the WR.
>>4079376>: a knight, a protector, someone who pursues his goal despite the suffering, a struggler.Wtf Undertale Undyne was a man?
>>4079391She's a butch dyke so kinda
>>4079387>why do you keep portraying kris as some kind of gigachadAnon... Do you know who Varik is?
>>4079391Yes.
>>4079394WHO IS KRIS
>>4079397What is this, a game show?
>>4079397Varik real name
>>4079391you know undyne is a chick within ten minutes thoughbeitkris is the only character ever to have this weird problem where they clearly don't want us making assumptions, but they also won't tell us shit. I like it, but it leads to everyone fighting over a lot of stuff in regard to them
>>4079391>>4079397Varik is literally Kris. This dude >>4079376
>JeetGPT
>>4079389What if Aqua was a boy?
>>4079403It's the second time a Kris self-inserter used AI as an argument, too.
>>4079387Every self-inserter acts like this, I mean with zero hyperbole they all believe their choice in self-insert is some flawless badass Gary Stu chungus fanfic abomination and they throw temper tantrums if you suggest otherwise because they’re retarded autistic psychopaths having an out-of-body experience so bad that they literally believe they’re the little man inside the screen, it’s how you get those people who have the most nonsensical analyses of character personalities and all they ever do is fuck up any kind of critical discussion about said characters because they’re mentally equivalent to AIsloppers
>>4079404MaleKrisfags would suddenly believe in parallels.
>>4079403>>4079405>MUH AIHow does that make the information incorrect?
>>4079403>>4079404>>4079405>>4079406>>4079407Femkrisfags come in waves. How strange...
>mass-reply melty
He's pulling the samefag accusations card this early??
>>4079406>>4079402I think there might be spergs on both sides
>>4079417Imagine how bad the gender war will get after Chapter 7.
>>4079418It’ll fizzle out because Kris will die alone on all routes
>>4079413I'm just expressing my thoughts. Relax. >>4079414But, anon, how do you explain that there's literally a minute's difference between the posts? Especially here. See >>4079404and >>4079405 exactly one minute. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe not. Who knows?
>>4079387that picrel is an edit of an existing pic
>>4079420No No No!I'll make sure to torture them in Side B, so they'll never die.
>>4079420no because ralsei trooning out will cause a second bridget incident
>>4079421Yes, both of those posts were one person (me), but that's it. I am mostly uninvolved in your autism debate.
>>4079427It will be revealed Ralsei is FTM.
>>4079420That's what that bitch deserves anyway
>>4079422is it not still depicting kris as a gigachad?
>>4079421what’s with the “rawr, i am le esteemed whimsical silly bingus” thread quirk you have
>>4079431Kris...
>>4079420nokris has me
>>4079435Everyone in Hometown...
>>4079429>Yes, both of those posts were one person (me)See? I was right after all. I wonder how many samefags like you are here? >>4079433I don't know what you're talking about.
>>4079440>i will pretend not to understand things making me the winner heh dude hehsure, wannabe /vg/fag, sure
>>4079432Varik is literally Kris, though.
>>4079440I wasn't replying to myself in those posts, just posting two different times. That's not samefagging.
>>4079442>wannabe /vg/fag,You're the one who's trying to single me out. I'd prefer it if you didn't do that.
So is this guy just a janny plant? I struggle to believe someone is this hellbent trying to turn these threads into another Kris dicksucking permageneral when there’s literally two /trash/ generals for that already
>>4079449Nah I think he's just autistic.
>>4079449the thing is I’m pretty sure /doe/ doesn’t like him either
>>4079449Just a very autistic and passionate Kriselle shipper. I wouldn't mind it if he just got less triggered in general, this all started because of one reply to him.
>>4079449feels like one of those "guy who's 2% more autistic than you" memes because you can draw a lot of conclusions from the hacks toby did but he's also clearly going for different stuff with Kris
>>4079449>>4079451>>4079453I've said this a million times already. I just don't like femkrisfags because you guys are obnoxious and try to shove your fetish down everyone's throat. We could calmly start discussing the game, but you guys can't stop talking about your fetish. >>4079454>this all started because of one reply to himNo, I started this after seeing a dozen similar replies. I just couldn't hold it in anymore. Just look at this fucking animal >>4078893
>>4079457Last time I asked if you were an LLM because half of your replies don’t make any fucking sense, WHERE did I mention Femkris you autistic bucktooth brown faggot
is /utg/ actually supposed to be worse? think I might try my chances over there
>>4079462There are women there
>>4079462/utg/ is the same but instead of complaining about femkris they complain about non-non-binary Kris.
>>4079462it's generally nicer but spitballing theories is harder...
>>4079458I don't know which of these three people I replied to is (You)
>>4079457Just filter the image if it bothers you THIS much, nobody complains about your own pictures you repost all the time.
>>4079468First of the three replies
>>4079469>nobody complains about your own pictures you repost all the timeYeah, because what I'm posting are literally screencaps from the game.
>>4079462this thread is connected with /utg/
do you have any screencaps that aren’t krisellekooming
>>4079471Dude please just be a bit more humble and grow thicker skin.
>Open thread>Autistic shipper is on a rampage>Comment I was going to make probably looks bad in the current state of the threadYou guys are going to have to forgive me for making one post. Just one.
>>4079483I forgive you.
guess it's one of those days againkris is a girl though
>>4079483Please don't start more discourse.
>>4079470>So is this guy just a janny plant?Janny plant? And you're saying my posts don't make sense?>I struggle to believe someone is this hellbent trying to turn these threads into another Kris dicksucking permageneral I don't do anything like that, though. I'm just a Krisellefag who's tired of yurifags. The whole game is full of gay shit, and they want it to be even gayer. They're obnoxious. >>4079483So I'm the problem, but people like that >>4078893 aren't, right?
>>4079487He's gonna start more discourse.
>>4079487How tight is his bussy
>Plays game full of gay shit>Complains about it attracting people who want more gay shit???
Why does tumblr, twitter, reddit, and basically all of the combined armies of troon think Kriselle isn't meant to be canon? What do you think all the date options in Ch5 are supposed to be? Hello? Is this willful ignorance or something?
>>4079483Just make the post man
>>4079492>Plays game full of gay shit>Complains about it attracting people who want more gay shitMy advice to these "people" is to go back to where they came from, because they don't belong here.
>>4079493You do know half of Kriselle fans are made up by dykes and troons right?
>>4079493because it gets in the way of suselle they know it's a lot better, given how much they seethe that the only lake scene people care about is the weird route one
>>4079493>Why does tumblr, twitter, reddit, and basically all of the combined armies of troon think Kriselle isn't meant to be canon?Because Kriselle gives off way too many straight vibes. It's way too "heteronormative". We can't have that. Everyone has to be gay.
I was in a bad mood earlier and foolishly went to Reddit because I wanted to see other people shittalk the festival.There were the bootlickers and there were those who admitted the festival was kinda lame, but the one thing they could all agree on was no matter what the festival was like, at least it had some sweet momentsSWEET MOMENTS? Jesus they're beyond help. How could they look at >>4079212 and think it was in any way sweet??????? Because the two people flirting both had vaginas????????
>>4079498That's great. I think said dykes should start lecturing their friends on how they're being oppressive somehow and solve the entire problem.
>>4079498You just described 90% of the fandom.
>>4079504From a neutral perspective one could simply not care about Kris and see those moments as standalone moments that don't involve them.
>>4079493Kriselle is meant to be a doomed relationship that never happened, that's what Eram's response to answering "Ferris Wheel" means. The time where it could happen passed.
>>4079504>went to Reddit>because I wanted to see other people shittalk the festivalLMAO
>>4079211>everything about kris's position feels like a very male oriented struggleTo chime in, this isn't just subtext given that Kris literally goes to a place "man country".
I love Kriselle, straight or yuri flavored. It's kino either way.Anybody who has a problem with this is a dirty self-inserting v*sselfag and possibly a scholar of CoL.
>>4079512(non-men are a-ok, too)
>>4079513>VesselCHADs out of nowhere Hey, Kriselle is cute but my grey child matters more okay.
>>4079513>Anybody who has a problem with this is a dirty self-inserting v*sselfagKriselle doesn't work if it's yuri. Kris wouldn't tease Noelle if he were a girl. Girls don't do that.
>>4079492>>4079495Why do chuds think this game wont humiliate them even further lmao
>girls don't tease each otherWhat are we even doing anymore man.
>>4079513Kris and Noelle will be USED UP so that I can save my Vessel.
>>4079487Not only is Kris a man, but he's a hot androgynous boy. And not only that, he's one of the few characters to get drawn and portrayed carefully, unlike other characters where fan artists just grab the character and slap in absurd porn proportions.
>>4079520She doesnt have a penis so no
>>4079513VesselGODS will inherit the Deltarune.
>>4079520Wtf I thought only femkrisfags wanted to fuck Kris.
>>4079520I disagree but I respect your opinion
>>4079525THEN YOU ARE LOST
>>4079508the time that they could've had a 'normal' relationship has passed, yesthey can still have a fucked up, twisted "let's leave this shitty town by drowning ourselves in a lovers' suicide (but not really since we won't die (probably fahaha))" relationship though
>>4079515>>4079519>>4079522samefags
Theory: what if anon wants to fuck Kris (male) and self-inserts as Noelle (female)?
You niggers can't help yourself with the imageposts can you? You don't have to include a vaguely related image with every fucking post you make, just have some damn confidence that what you have to say can stand on its own.
>>4079531That would be kinda gay not gonna lie Bro.
>>4079525around a third of mkris fags want to fuck mkrispeople just like kris in general
>>4079533Sorry, anon-sama
>>4079493Let me play devil's advocate here. There's a lot to imagine about them but from the technical standpoint I would agree that it is purely platonic. "Vibes" and "hints" and "implications" don't really grant it the status of actual relationship, no steps have been taken by either of them to go from friendship to something more intimate and neither of them spends time thinking about how they harbor feelings that need to be expressed. But I don't think anyone denies that they have good history that got tragically cut and that they fit together well because of it. It's a couple that by all rights was supposed to be but never was and that's their tragedy.
>>4079533Cry about it
>>4079533i'm pretty sure some of them are doing it just out of spite of the people complaining
>>4079533>>4079543Am I missing something?
>>4079517Hope dies last. >>4079518Let me explain this to you. Did you run around teasing girls when you were a kid? If you had, you wouldn’t have grown up to be such a faggot. A girl doesn’t pull another girl’s hair for attention. Only boys do that. Even Aqua, whom you love to bring up when talking about the femkris, is just silly and has fun for no particular reason. Kris, on the other hand, directed his pranks solely at Noelle to get as much attention from her as possible. His pranks are rougher, he liked to scare Noelle, while Aqua just does silly things without any specific goal, just for fun.
>>4079531AGP troon.
>>4079546>His pranks are rougherAqua literally throws knives at people, and most of the time she's teasing Seth.
>>4079533It's just the retarded shipper schizos doing it.>>4079535But Krisellefag told me only femkrisfags do it...
>>4079547Are you happy now?
>>4079546>directed his pranks solely at Noelle to get as much attention from her as possibleWell, to be fair there was that one time Kris threw dirt at Dess while she was making out with Asriel inside the Ferris wheel, though it was probably just normal jealousy.
>>4079553That's more than a lot of people do, so I appreciate it.
>>4079535>>4079552I don't want to fuck Kris. I want Kris and Noelle to be happy, just like before the INCIDENT.
>>4079558>I don't want to fuck KrisShit taste
Here you go pal! This won't count as a image.https://litter.catbox.moe/3pgytc29mgvhhd95.png
>>4079561Kris already has someone he loves.
>>4079564Yep, doelesting KINO.
>>4079564Post one of the futa Kress ones.
>>4079565<3 Me.
>>4079564>https://litter.catbox.moe/3pgytc29mgvhhd95.pngThis is cp wtf is wrong with you
Things have finally calmed down. Good.
>>4079564Extremely based
>>4079572>cpNo, that is called shotacon
>>4079564phew
>>4079564Why is she crying tho? Isn't this what she wanted?
>>4079587Tears of orgasm.
>>4079587post nut clarity
>>4079572stop conflating fictional drawings with actual pedophilia
>>4079587This is a mystery of the image. One day you may decipher it.
Asgore should have been dressed up in his police uniform for the church scene in ch4
>>4079609why does toby hate tori and gorey so much?
>euro hours end (midnight)>thread INSTANTLY devolves in shipnigger shitflinging and kresspedo catbox links
>>4079610because he's an idiot. I like them, though.
>>4079611Stop wasting the file count, moron
>>4079613Don't care faggot
>>4079564the doelest timeline is getting more depth than the actual game
>>4079609People should've dressed up for the festivalAt the very least Noelle should've dressed up ready to die/ascend
>>4079564>porn, but also art with something to say about the characters beyond "Im horny"Now this, this is the shit I love the most
>>4079618And having to make another sprite sheet? pffft nah just ship that shit out
More progress on the church scene. need to find a way to make susie change sprite when she finishes walking down
>>4079618church niggas did dress up for Halloween
>>4079624is the context the same as the one from the og scene, or what are you planning to change?
>>4079564You have a twitter, pixiv, baraag? anything?
>>4079493Denial and willful ignorance yeahThat way they dont have to feel badJust like when they support child murder but pretend its ok because they arent human or something
>>4079572It's called /ss/gold
>>4079624Good shit, bro.
>>4079629the idea, is yes, that kris and susie still need to get into noelle's house to look for clues on how to get in the shelter, but susie sends kris over thinking after the noelle reading that i made for the mod that she'll do whatever kris wants if he actually gets over there and asksso they walk over to the other side of the lobby so they can keep it secretnoelle doesnt think its a good idea that susie should come over to her house because of something she may or may not have told her mother about her but they rationalize that Carol wont be home for hours so they wont have to tell her.
>>4079624I also have to make her walk down.
>>4079564the best kress is the one that takes their canon small age gap into account, so she's just a confused hormonal teenager and not an evil rapist sociopath that also cracked Kris' skull on the reg with a FUCKING... wiffle bat (???). greetings from /doe/ https://litter.catbox.moe/qlc0lkmu1vam225k.jpg
>>4079624make susie start drinking the yellow juice so it doesnt look like she's doing nothing for no reason
>>4079641>small age gapthis is still up in the air, the gap could range from 3 to 7 years
>>4079493toby never addresses ships so people's eyes just glaze over and go to the back of their skull when he has the deer girl look into the camera and say this
>>4079641i am in agreement, it's something i was trying to push for a bit as a separate more wholesome thing because honestly i just think it's cutedoomed tragic secret older tomboy neighbor coming-of-age romance isn't exactly something you see often, plus you can even do a bit of post-deltarune with it if you're brave enough to make some assumptionshttps://litter.catbox.moe/wu3ax2nwwo7xhgw8.jpg
>>40796464 years maybei just remembered the spelling bee scene and it's throwing me off
>>4079645good idea
>>4079659we know dess disappeared 7ish years ago thanks to htdd's time overdue and the drawing under dess' bed, so that would put kris and noelle at about 9 on THAT DAY and since we can safely guess that dess and asriel were teenagers at the time, and noticeably bigger that kris/ noelle, it would have to be at minimum a 4 year difference i personally like a 7 year gap as that would put dess/ asriel at the same age kris and noelle are now when THAT HORRIBLE DAY occurred
>>4079632Third link, and I didn't send youhttps://danbooru.donmai.us/artists/154924
>>4079663sweet
>>4079663You need to draw more loli frisk and chara since you're a lolibro, but at least you got some nice Aquas, fren.
>>4079667>>4079668To be clear I'm not pettankon and I don't think he even uses social media anymore.
Look what I've gone and done.
>>4079671Asgore in a police uniform?
>>4079670Oh, it was just a repost. Sad.
>>4079671is there a reason why the temmie borders are not on pc? the eyes reacting to the titan getting hit was kino
>>4079676yeah there is a reason, to make me buy the game twice
>>4079676they forgot to put the borders into the pc files
>>4079673Im glad he posted it, its an amazing piece I had never seen before
>>4079618>picWhat was Carol's fucking problem?>Susie you fucking homeless brat you will never lay a hand on my daughter. She will NEVER be corrupted by your influence!>N-NOELLE!? DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT!?!? YOU WANT TO LEGLOCK KRIS AND FORCE HIM TO DRAIN ALL HIS SEMEN IN YOU!?!?!? YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOO
>>4079672Yes. And he's there. That's just for me to show myself that I can put him there in the seat, I actually want to have him talk to kris and Susie before it starts
>>4079676because deltarune is an omori rip off which does the same thing
Did you guys know that the slide animation doesn't play properly in chapters 4 and 5? Why? Because on one simple line of code that existed in ch3 but they forgot about for the other chapters.
>>4079689nah nah its intentional dude, kris is forgetting how to slide this is actually important its called slide theory
>>4079689duct tape is awesome
>>4079692image_speed = 0.2;Because of this lacking piece, the sprite does not animateI'm sorry, that is objectively bad.
>>4079692it's not a theory until it has a giant image documenting it and somehow tying it to a ship
>>4079683Carol knows that Susie threatened to kill Kris. She doesn't want that anywhere near her daughter.
>>4079689>>4079696The team will spend 3 months bugtesting 3-5 hours of content and still miss stuff like this, along with much more egregious stuff.
>>4079700the jackenstein bug was REALLY egregious, like how the fuck did not a single tester save jackenstein and kill a fetus?
>>4079700>>4079701the game has so many variables and is coded in such a jank way it's probably a massive pain to alter anything without bricking the whole game toby probably lets minor bugs slide and just hopes that nobody notices, only fixing them if they get too much attention
>>4079700I still remember this one line at the start of ch2, before you expand the castle town where if you try to go into the castle, it doesn't play. Because of one wrongly misplaced %. As of chapter 5, it's still there, and removing it fixes the problem.
>>4079689Yep, it's the daily hour to call Toby a hack again.
What do you think is happening to Asgore and Undyne in the dark world shelter?I cannot help but think the "police sacrifice next week" is a deliberate misdirection we shouldn't take at face value; it's shown to be shocking, but the words are jumbled and only fragments of an incomplete phrase that could have a whole different meaning but it's been put this way to induce us into thinking Carol is mega evil and into shady stuff when she might not be
>>4079683>What was Carol's fucking problem?Carol just wants grandchildren. She's known Kris since she was a child and thinks he's a good match for her daughter. Noelle likes Kris, too, so that makes it even better in her eyes.
>>4079701this one was more egregious because people kept complaining for multiple weeks and toby didnt do shit for multiple patches
I think the fact carol's whole "(You) are welcome at any time" is easily replaced with her saying "Kris turn off the santa before you leave" means it doesnt actually mean anything important beyond "She still sees Kris as a friend of the Holidays". She's not meant to be evil or in on the conspiracy, she just acts like that naturally
>>4079707Yeah I think it's going to be a subversion and it's going to be a literal survival bunker for the roaring. We know a titan being summoned wrecked the shit out of the church so I imagine it'll be dangerous.Any of the current knight candidates would want the close friends/family in the bunker to keep them safe, so it makes sense they would target the Dreemurrs. Undyne wasn't supposed to be there after all, and that whole scene is framed as the knight saying, "fuck it" and pivoting.I think the sacrifice refers to whatever the last prophecy is. It's way too specific of a word to just throw out.
>>4079315That's whats directly shown on screen, yes.>>4079318>It's the grind to unlock Snowgrave/The ThornRingAgain, this doesn't line up with the weird route at all. The "grind to unlock Snowgrave" only begins when Noelle joins your party, and in MANTLE the ice key is used up well after you would have unlocked it.>>4079316The 2nd game obviously represents the weird route. The 1st and 3rd games are a bit iffy, but i'd guess they would probably represent the normal route and twisted(?)>>4079372>you kill everbodyKilling in the first game is metaphorical. This may sound retarded at first, but killing is also metaphorical in the 2nd game... since its not like you physically kill any enemies until Noelle joins your party.>why the fuck would there be Side B, C and D routes??It's entirely possible theres a C route, atleast.
>>4079713what about the heart plushies tho?
>>4079719If she had a sign in her hosue that said "I AM THE ROARING KNIGHT" would you actually believe it?
>>4079718>twistedswd/aborted wr route is still on the menufuck yes. people are taking the mantle stuff too literally. we would have killed everybody by now.
>>4079707her or someone else is gonna need to give a good ass explanation on why it HAD to be done through whisking away people at the dead of night as some form-changing shadow Knightmare monster
>>4079718>Twistedfags stealing from board 3 again Discarded
>>4079718>ANormal route>ABDrowned at the lake, causing a mix where weird Noelle is still on Side A>BMade it across the lake. Potentially start the whole game over on a sort of New Game+>CTwisted Route where you kill everyone>DAbsolutely no clue unless aborted chapter 4 weird actually does somethingMaybe it's the Kris impregnates everyone route but then the fetuses travel back in time and become the dark spawn
>>4079707There could be a number of things in these dots, including stuff like they need the police to prevent sacrifice next week. My question is, why is Undyne even in there in the first place? Let's assume that the Knight and Kris work together to kidnap shelter-related people and first target Toriel. Kris had the door open so that the Knight or someone helping the Knight in the light world (we have zero proof that it's actually the Knight who was carrying Undyne in the light world in ch3) would be able to enter the house/exit the dark world there, right? But then slashing the tires ended up inviting Undyne there. Was that on purpose? Why? Something doesn't add up. Were Kris&Knight fishing for Undyne specifically with that setup? There had to be an easier way to do that.Then there's the ch4 setup. "Church tonight" doesn't make sense because the fountain was open in broad daylight before Kris and Susie even got there. And Toriel wasn't even there, so why make two fountains there? This doesn't make sense even if Kris deliberately misdirecting the Knight.The ch5 setup makes sense to capture Asgore. But imagine if Noelle was still in the party, Kris wouldn't be able to bail and make the dark world. So like what, Carol called her specifically at that moment? Was Kris dialing her under the table to give her the signal or something? My point is, no matter what we assume Kris and Knight's relations are, it can't be straightforward "just kidnap people with shelter access". The tactics make no sense in this case. Their goals, even if they're not actually working together and have different goals, has to be something else.
>>4079725I'm gonna laugh so fucking hard when 6 has absolutely nothing related to the twisted route.
>>4078900>>4078902I know people don't like it but it's 'woke' or whatever but calling Kris they/them is ideal. I'm not even saying this out of moralfaggotry but because it's the least offensive option here. People who refer to Kris as he/him do it because they self-insert and want to fuck Noelle. People who refer to Kris as she/her do it because they want to fuck Kris (or watch Kris fuck Noelle). They/them Kris solves all these issues by leaving Kris's gender ambiguous. If you see someone refer to Kris as they/ them then you, in your mind, can simply see them as a guy, girl, or nonbinary instead of flinging shit at each other.
>>4079727>Absolutely no clue unless aborted chapter 4 weird actually does somethingmaybe berdly wakes up from coma, reveals that kris and noelle were acting weird, susie gets mad, and snowgraves in chapter 6 dark world
>>4079732>People who refer to Kris as he/him do it because they self-insert and want to fuck Noelle. https://youtu.be/2ovm1J_AxLQ
My theory regarding the Twisted Route is that it's real, but it actually has nothing to do with the Weird Route and Mantle. You don't need to do abort the WR because you'll be able to get a thorn ring later. How I think it's gonna work is that you're gonna reach 7, and if you don't have the sword, you can still continue the chapter, and maybe even finish it, but it will basically be Deltarune's version of the Neutral route, to get something extra you need the Twisted Sword. I believe Mantle is purely Weird Route related and there's no connection between routes besides the thorn ring showing up in both routes, but earlier in the WR.>but how do you know you will get the thorn ring in the normal routeIt was revealed to me in a dream.
>>4079732>People who refer to Kris as he/him do it because they self-insert and want to fuck NoelleFuck off. Don't start this shit again. I want Kris to be happy with Noelle. I don't want to fuck Noelle.
>>4079683she's already characterized as an extremely stern woman who doesn't obviously show her love, and rudy is the only holiday that's managed to move on from dess's disappearance; coming home and the school "bully" is monkeying around with dess's things is a perfectly reasonable reason for her to be extremely upset, ignoring all context that carol seems to be in on whatever kris and the knight's plan is
>>4079732i call kris a she/ her because of le ebin second hero kris theory
>>4079732I call Kris whatever I want usually, be it they/them or he/him or whatever. People shouldn't get triggered over pronouns.
>>4079728>"Church tonight" doesn't make sense because the fountain was open in broad daylight before Kris and Susie even got there.Knight made the fountain earlier, that's what the "I'll be right there" truly meant.
>>4079707extra-private, one-on-one training
>>4079725>>4079730>dismissing the TwistedSwd with no evidence.You're a vesselfag, aren't you? If its any consolation the vessel could easily show up in Chapter 6. The holiday house does literally have a VESSEL (angel doll) in the DEPTHS (extremely dark basement that plays smile.ogg) so the actual vessel isn't out of the question.
>>4079735>You don't need to do abort the WR because you'll be able to get a thorn ring later.pussies kept saying this about chapter 5 and how we'd totally get the thorn ring without doing le heckin chuddy rape route and now look at em.if chapter 5 didnt have a second thornring, theres no chance of that shit happening. Ze VILL have to do something other than MERCY only, and ze VILL like it
>>4079744No, we're getting the vessel in 7B. I know it makes you seethe because you want 7B to be a Kriselle date, but it won't be, sorry.
>>4079721I don't think she's the Knight (I'm a Noellefag) but I find it difficult to believe she's not aware of the player/SOUL.to quote a theorytuber>If someone writes a word in all capital letters and makes it a bright red color like a fucking human I remember you're genocides meme, they are probably trying to tell you something
>>4079746>but it won't be, sorryNTA, I wouldn't be so confident if I were you. WR is unpredictable. Anything can happen.
>>4079742But how is that connected, if Susie already got the guitar what would opening the church fountain accomplish? And Kris and Susie only went back to Kris' house because it started raining after they left Holidays manor, then went to church from there only because Kris lied about the key. If they have this level of prediction then surely they knew there'd be nobody in the church to capture.
>>4079744Speaking of the angel doll, can we talk about how unfathomably schizophrenic this darkner is going to be?>connection to the angel>connection to noelle>connection to the depths>connection to the vessel>technically has a connection to gaster and the goners from the depths and vessel connections>comes from noelle's childhood so they would be a knower by default>knows about the soul>was LITERALLY A VESSEL FOR THE SOUL
>>4079728Undyne was purposely lured by the slash so she, and Toriel, were targets of the Knight, but apparently taking Undyne had priority? I don't get why couldn't the Knight take the two of them if that would have been the plan all along, or the idea was to take just one at a time and they came so late they had to run with Undyne only.It makes sense if the phone call was between Kris and the Knight to update their plans and directly set up a new plan: to make Susie see the final prophecy. I think the entire setting, including Gerson's dustner being there was a deliberate set up because Kris and the Knight are attempting to make the prophecy happen a certain way so exposing Susie to that and making Gerson appear to tutor her was important.But that begs the question if the Knight still has to capture Toriel or not, or who the next target could be, if there is one
>>4079746>dating sim schizoAgain, stop taking MANTLE as gospel. WR's whole thing is going off-script.
>>4079746But I want a kriselle date
>>4079750Funny that you call me out for being "so confident" when you have these people claiming 7B is all about giving Noelle and Kris their special happy ending and ignoring everything related to the player and the vessel.>>4079756You just ignore Mantle because it shows something you don't like, so you pretend it doesn't mean anything. Come on, say that thing about Mantle being prophecy 2.0 and Noelle finding a way to break it again, it's always funny.
>>4079754Maybe it was entirely tied to the police [...] sacrifice thing, maybe the kidnapping was specifically to remove both capable officers from the Light world to not interfere with whatever will happen next. I can believe them accelerating the prophesy by exposing Susie to it, that solidified her role like nothing else. But was it really what the Knight needed? It feels like the kidnappings are unrelated to it and maybe there are two plans at work at the same time, maybe competing ones.
>>4079753it won't be anything just like how the immodest dragon didn't show up at all
>>4079753Hm yes, I'm betting a regular enemy encounter with no dialogue, 4-5 to recruit maybe.
>>4079762>foreshadow the funny illicit dragon darkner for two chapters>laughs in your face when it doesn't show uptoby is a subversive HACK and the game should be taken from him and handed to the best eroge devs in japan
>>4079759We can try to guess what kidnapping each of the victims is for.Undyne was a real combatant and had to be taken out of the picture to stop any obstructions.Asgore was directly investigating and he's got a code, as we know Kris had the intention to destroy the code so they can accomplish their goals without Susie coming in. They can't destroy the guitar however so that was out of the picture.Toriel? Who knows, perhaps she knows the delta_rune code. But Toriel seems completely unwilling to involve herself in any of that. I suspect someone else has it. What if it's Asriel and they are working in a timer to complete their goals before he arrives?
>>4079689>guy, making the game a single executable was non sense! we needed game_change!Did Undertale ever had glitches as egregious as this?
>>4079754>including Gerson's dustner being there was a deliberate set uphol up you lost me. i thought the implication with gerson is that alvin never buried him at all...did they just know about this?
>>4079744I'm dismissing it because all it does is steal content of the "foreshadowing weird route game" to a route that doesn't exist nor it's confirmed to exist. All because you probably don't like the fact Noelle is being used up.
>>4079762Really. I don't know how people still get their hopes up for shit like this when Deltarune has gone out of its way to show how little it cares about its own premises.On the reverse, you have shit like the Mew Mew figurine totally being the shop mascot despite never having showed up or mentioned before chapter 5.
>>4079767keep talking like that and king of ero games is gonna get Kris raped again
>>4079753fun fact, almost all darkners in noelle's house have seen the soul, theyre all gonna be schizo'd out
>>4079776Rape him enough to pry a shelter code out of the game
>>4079772The implication is that Alvin dug him up. We see him acting suspicious in front of Gerson's grave sometime before ch4.
>>4079775>Deltarune doesn't care about its premises because I didn't see the Darkners I wanted to
>>4079746Weird route has a curse that every popular prediction of is wrong. First it was firegrave, then Noelle possession and now Kriselle adventures under the lake.
>>4079783>then Noelle possessionhasnt been entirely disproven yet btw
>>4079773>All because you probably don't like the fact Noelle is being used up.Is this not valid though? Seriously like it or not she's by far one of the most interesting characters, so to kill her off and go "haha she was just a tool :)" would be super anticlimactic.
>>4079753No more quirky darkners that take away screentime, anon. It won't be that relevant.
>>4079782>see how every little thing in this classroom became a darkner or dark world feature except the gerson drawing?>that's never happening again haha
>>4079783So it might just end with a black screen and the game preventing you from doing anything
>>4079753Meanwhile this Icee thing is absolutely going to be an Ultimate Chimera situation where it'll chase you down and you'll get an instant game over if it catches you
>>4079780But why the fuck Alvin did that?? Kris was implied to be surprised when Susie found the glass case in the desk so Kris had nothing to do with that.
>>4079783first was actually hometown genoslide by kris, which made a come back nearly a decade later
>>4079770Maybe originally Toriel was supposed to be bait to lure others in? In theory they could've forced both Undyne and Asgore to go into the Shelter just by capturing her. Unlike Undyne, her disappearance wouldn't have gone unnoticed even if Susie and Kris didn't report it right away. Asriel isn't someone I considered as their target but the deadline checks out.As for the codes, I assume that the main idea is to keep Susie locked out for as long as possible, so her missing just one code would accomplish that just fine. But we can only assume that it's Toriel that has one, if it's literally anyone else in the family then Toriel is definitely just bait for someone else and the job is still not done.
>>4079782If you have a sandbox of opportunity with character designs, use it. Instead of going the laziest way and not using any of it.
>>4079785Not liking something doesn't mean that won't happen, just look at Suselle deniers as proof.
>>4079794There's a solution for that.
>>4079791True but that wasn't technically a weird route prediction which is why I didn't include it.
>>4079794Suselle is not happening though. Properly, anyway. Everything points to it crashing and burning hard.
>>4079790If there's anyone in town other than the main conspiracy groups to have theories on the prophecy that they're willing to do insane shit to test, it's Alvin.I theorize he studied the prophecy enough to anticipate that something in the path of the heroes would be able to revive the remains of his father, and kept the hammer in his desk waiting for the time to present itself. I think he didn't expect the revival to happen right in the church, but realized what happened after the fact.
>>4079797>Everything points to it crashing and burning in chapter 6 before coming around and working out in chapter 7FTFY
>>4079786Unfortunately this. Toby seems to view most Darkners as just quirky distractions, instead of opportunities to flesh out the world like they should be.
>>4079796It was born out of a desire for a genocide route in deltarune since the survey program lacked thatI'd say it counts in spirit, people noticed something was obviously wrong with Kris and the soul but missed the mark completely
>>4079799it wont work at all, anon
>>4079773>I'm dismissing it because all it does is steal contentHow does it steal content if the content still exists, exactly? If 7B doesn't focus on the Genocides of Sanscharagaster that doesn't mean whatever the third game represents won't.
>>4079746>Cope skirtEven people that think Kris is a woman draw him as a transwoman...
>>4079800Then he's bad at world building and should be called out for it, instead of being praised for the smallest things
>>4079800Like they were in chapter 1?
>>4079800imo that's honestly fine, toby's been pretty open about how a couple of darkners like lancer were originally just smaller bit roles that got more focus than they were originally intended to
>>4079785It's valid as a complaint, it's not valid as an argument against it happening. You see foreshadowing of Noelle and Kris being used up and you're saying you don't like it, therefore it won't happen, and that's not really an argument that holds weight.
>>4079786>>4079800You know that>Chapter 6 won't focus entirely on a silly Tenna/Flowery style darknerdoesn't mean>There will literally never be any important darkners ever again
>>4079798Alvin's role in the story is way too small to justify his grander knowledge and direct involvement in the plot so I don't know about that.I think we may have gotten it backwards. If the object with the ashes is like an urn, then maybe his suspicious dialogue in chapter 2:>"And... is it right for this hammer to..."Actually meant to say "Is it right for this hammer to stay with me." Alvin kept Gerson's ashes with himself because of his unsolved feelings with his dad. They weren't buried in the first place and he's conflicted about not letting them go to his grave
>>4079803Because all of Mantle is clearly about the weird route, not a secret third route that isn't actually hinted. You are taking content from the weird route foreshadowing game and pushing it to another route that might not exist because you don't like the outcome.
>>4079812He was to lazy to make a bishop darkner, he'll do so again
>>4079814If MANTLE is entirely about a single route and does not represent more than 1 playthrough then explain what the first board represents in the context of the weird route.
>>4079812The only important darkner I can see is either a Dess darkner or a Rudy dustner.
>>4079816Since we end up going into a gray version of the board in the end, some pre-game stuff.
>>4079818and that represents..... what exactly???
>>4079813I don't think grander knowledge or plot involvement is required for him to do this. Like I said, he suspected something about the prophecy and kept his father's remains to test it if the chance presented itself. He doesn't have to know the main events of the prophecy are underway right now, he doesn't have to know who the heroes are, he doesn't have to know a dark world is going to form in the church, he doesn't even have to know about "dark worlds" beyond perhaps an abstract concept that there's a world of dark the heroes also save.I agree that your reading is likely enough, but you seem to be making assumptions about how much he'd have to know to take the actions I'm describing for the reasons I'm describing.
>>4079815>bishop darknerYou mean gerson?
>>4079822Gerson didnt act like a bishop, or a priest in general
>>4079815>chess theoryperhaps the most boring and uninspired theory ever conceived
>>4079816It represents the first contact with the potential of breaking out of bounds if one becomes strong enough. You kill enemies until you become so strong that you can finally destroy the trees, which are what's blocking you from walking anywhere but the set path. Stage 1 is the first contact, Stage 2 is using this knowledge along with the white cloak, your two characters are used to reach a new area.
>>4079812>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/ch5-release-date/>In Chapter 4, we saw dark clouds on the horizon…>That’s why, let’s not look there for now. Let’s turn around and watch the sun, before it goes down completely.>Let’s smile again.>Let’s have one more fun adventure, okay?>...>In my opinion, it fits well in the overall story of the game.>https://toby.fangamer.com/interviews/chapter5/>there aren’t any more Chapters where we focus on goofy, attention-hungry Darkner characters with the potential to win weird popularity contests. But, thinking about the structure of the story, I think it was the perfect spot to do it one more time.Now I ask you, what important darkners there were on chapter 4?>JackensteinHe is a gag boss that has no major plot relevance, and only a little bit of symbolic story relevance.>fire extinguisherA small plot device and a joke.>KnightCan barely be called a character, and might not be a darkner.>TitanDefinitely not a character.>GersonIt's just a reanimated Lightner. He barely counts as darkner. And he is nowhere to be seem for about half of the chapter.
>>4079824According to chess theory there is a bishop, so this isn't chess theory, dumbass.
>>4079824>yada yada yadaThe lack of a real chapter antagonist in 4 is extremely jarring, specially when it is sandwiched between 3 and 5.
>>4079824maybe it would have been nice to have a head priest darkner in the church dark world. I would have liked it.
thread on /v/
>>4079826whatever darkner comes out of ch6 might still win popularity contests, so moot point, tobyplease, take advantage of these golden oppurtunities before the games completion makes them gone
>>4079831I threw the towel for there
>>4079833I highly doubt any non-main character is going to be that popular again after Tenna and maybe Battat.
>>4079825So... MANTLE does take place over the course of more than one playthrough? Which means it's entirely possible that 2 and 3 are different routes altogether, matching up with how they make no sense chronologically?>SHE WAS USED UP>YOU WERE USED UP>YOU.... TURNED INTO THE VESSEL AND GOT TELEPORTED INTO THE CITY WITH SUSIE AND RALSEI?????
>>4079835member chara, everyone still talks about her
>>4079826Honestly, between this, Toby saying there are no more wacky adventures and that he doesn't expect to make much merch for chapter 6 and 7, I really have no idea how people are thinking we're gonna get another Queen, Tenna or Flowery. It's just not happening, he is telling you this out loud.
>>4079783Noelle possession was so fucking stupid I can't believe it was ever mainstream.
>>4079838what part of>non-mainyou didn't get?
>>4079839I don't think anyone is actually expecting him to make another Queen or Tenna, just hoping he utilizes his own premise in an interesting way. Which, won't happen, but still.
considering how much toby sucks at writing "serious" scenes like suselle slop or transei bait, the fact that toby said there are no more fun adventures now should be a bad omen
>>4079783Every popular prediction is wrong because it's based on taking the first option that comes to mind at face value. Side B is unpredictable as fuck which is why we can safely bet it won't be Kris and Noelle's 8-bit adventure Hometown massacre
>>4079835>after Tenna and maybe Battatdess' guitar darknerTRVST the plan https://files.catbox.moe/snjzu1.jpg
>you implant a baby soul into Noelle which will grow and allow you to control her!I can't believe people seriously believed this nonsense.
>>4079842To 99% of the people voicing this "worry", the only way Tony could utilize his own premise in an interesting way is making more Queens and Tennas.
>>4079839I'm honestly GLAD he is speaking out on the subject after all the chapter 3 foreshadowing/teasing being that much misleading.But the truth is, that sort of character is what made Undertale and the Deltarune demo popular and beloved. It's just the brand, and I don't expect alienating the fans like this will end well.
>>4079844he's really good at horror and meta stuff, so 7b will prolly deliver at least
>>4079837No, it doesn't mean it's more than one playthrough, it all follows a simple three act structure, first contact with the concept of becoming stronger, carrying this out in a more in-depth manner in stage 2, allowing you to reach a blocked off area, and finally the ultimate climax, you get s chance to kill your own teammates to become stronger, allowing you to proceed until you reach, with your own strength, the final area, the shelter. It is very straightforward weird route instructions and foreshadowing. Your view of it is actually what confuses me, what is your internet of stage 1, do you seriously think there's gonna be a route where Kris starts cutting down trees in order to reach a hidden treasure chest?
>>4079849>Toby Fox should worry really hard about his BrandI think he's good. If you're a "scrimblos only" type of guy you'll always have Undertale.
>>4079852It's the normal route.>>4079718
>>4079852I don't have much of a leg in this argument, but if we're positing that Mantle isn't necessarily a single narrative in three parts pointing to the weird route, Kris going out of bounds among the trees and coming back with an unintentional seeming item does evoke the Forgotten Man. But that would make MANTLE look more like an order-less mishmash of secret content hints, so I don't know if that means anything.
>>4079853>you'll always have UndertaleUndertale is really short.>>Toby Fox should worry really hard about his BrandHe should be clear about what he wants to sell.Tying Deltarune to UT's style like how it was for 7 years is just asking to attract the wrong audience.DR would be viewed much more favorably by it's end if it was disconnected from UT and it's expectations and was clear about its path (both for story and gameplay) from the start.
>>4079853I dont like the scrimblos in undertale though
>>4079856nta but you can't get the last egg or the last crystal in WR, I'd be shocked if either of those "sidequests" had anything to do with Mantle. And even besides that, I don't like the idea of the forgotten man and eram working together. Doesn't really make sense
>>4079852>do you seriously think there's gonna be a route where Kris starts cutting down trees in order to reach a hidden treasure chest?nta, but yes. there is a lot going on with trees in this game.
>>4079842Then he could make another king that doesn't turn into a wet fart. But he's too lazy for that too
>>4079860>I don't like the idea of the forgotten man and eram working together. Doesn't really make senseif they worked together then theyd be tunnel feeding eggs to FRIEND instead of giving them to kris
>>4079857What Toby wants to sell still includes his signature type of funny character. But I don't think it EVER looked like we'd be getting an equal proportion of them to Undertale. Chapter 1 alone was like half the length of Undertale and we knew for sure we'd be getting at least 5, so I expected the tonal equivalent of the True Lab to last most of a chapter all the way back then, and it's looking like I'll be right.I'll give you that I expected targeting to stick around, but aside from that, the gameplay has kept up with my expectations so far. Making "oh holy shit" gimmicks not exclusive to combat with big named boss characters was a good choice, I don't care if it made the game take longer to develop.
>>4079744in the abyss of the queen's mansion there's a heaven piercing workout ready body awaiting you...Carol's probably just keeping the vessel somewhere in the house tied up isn't she
>>4079860Okay, but MANTLE objectively does have a connection to the shadow crystals.>That's why you're searching for them, aren't you?>The SHADOW CRYSTALs...>... and the SHADOW MANTLE that I'm holding!
>>4079844The last adventure was not fun in the slightest.
>>4079844>transei baitI know this is going to be a tough sell after other ch5 bullshit but I don't think Trans Ralsei stuff is intentional
>>4079867This plot point goes nowhere on the weird route, stupid hack devs
>>4079868oh come on. regardless of how you felt about the writing the sidescroller stuff was good and an awesome surprise.
>>4079870This is all accounted for on the "MANTLE represents multiple routes" theory.
>>4079869wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the things he was referring to in the last newsletter tbqh
>>4079830doesn't Gerson kind of fit this bill in some aspects as a major part of his deal is interpreting the legend in both UT/DR and passing off guidance and inspirationhe's not a crazy religious nut but he interpreted the words of "god" in such a way that the actual religious figure includes his writing in his sermons
>>4079867Yeah, I'm not 100% on that. The only link I can see between the crystals and the weird route as it stands is both of them seem to show a path where Kris and Noelle are together (regardless of if it ends that way)
>>4079874But he doesn't treat the word of "god" with unshaking, unquestioning reverence, which makes him eeeevil and subversive!
>>4079871The writing distracted from any of the gameplay.
>>4079875>He doesn't know about the TwistedSwd
>>4079876this is what alvin was thinking whenever gerson talked about the write your own story stuff to him
>>4079855Ok, so the first stage, the one where you play as Kris, get a sword, start killing monsters until you become strong enough to start breaking trees and leave the set path to find a hidden treasure chest represents the Normal Route. Ok. You know, I'm actually going to try to not dismiss this completely and try to meet you halfway. So, it's the Normal Route, well, in a blind playthrough, you would expect the player to play the normal route first, playing through the normal route would potentially start making the player think about getting a new ending, it plants the desire to get a different ending into the player. Stage 1 is the first contact with the idea of breaking from the set path through getting stronger. It doesn't mesh very well in my opinion, but if you really want to stretch it, then maybe I could see it. I think the weird route tutorial is simply a more straightforward explanation, you could say it's maybe performing a double duty, but I think it's really stretching it.
>>4079876Don't do that if your going to create a priest character literally birthed from the devotion of the churchgoers. That doesn't make sense.
>>4079878I know nigga the question is why would a part of kris, not us, want to both get the crystals and do the weird route. It's about finding the common factor between those two things
>>4079865My point still stands: he failed to communicate what sort of story DR was really going to be and that will bite him in the ass real hard by the end.>the gameplay has kept up with my expectations so farHow could anyone possibly expect the zelda and platforming stuff in 2018?My issue is that the 2 chapter demo never was a warioware-esque minigame collection the way the paid game is.
>>4079881It's funny that Gerson made a living writing fanfiction of the Bible being what is essentially mega heretical but his son grew up to become a pastor
I don't know why the idea of jumping from the weird route into a city with Susie and Ralsei is so strange to some people. Where does the game start? In the goner maker. Where is the goner maker? Well, based on the background, somewhere with lots of water. Where are we going to in the weird route? Somewhere that's in the depths of the lake. So there's a good chance that we are going into the area where the goner maker is, we are going back to the very start of the game, so what's so strange about using the goner maker as a jump pad to earlier chapters? Why isn't it possible? You can already select a savefile and start any chapter you want, shadow crystals are even saved on the savefile when you get them. So what's the argument here, that the chapter selection screen is just something completely unrelated to the actual game world? After Ralsei straight you told us that the battle UI and the menus can be seen by the characters and are part of the world?
>>4079884Ehh I never heard of anyone giving Tolkien and C.S. Lewis shit for it
>>4079884haven't a lot of writers used the bible as a source of inspiration for their own work?afaik the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe is kinda like that
Gerson but he gets pissed Lord of the Hammer was licensed to a billion dollar slop show so bad it makes him change his mind about reinterpretations being good
>>4079847the red dot inside of her hasn't been explained yet
>>4079883>he failed to communicate what sort of story DR was really going to beI felt like he communicated it clearly enough. After chapter 1 showed a large part of its gameplay area disappearing at the end of the chapter, I had the impression that the journey would be the plot and not a long literal point A to point B like Undertale. That's held up.>How could anyone possibly expect the zelda and platforming stuff in 2018?Platforming is overworld dodging as introduced in ch1 + the blue soul gimmick.Zelda is overworld dodging as introduced in ch1 + the yellow soul gimmick. (Sorta, at least. Yellow soul is the only one that attacked classically.)Funny enough this also lines up with reverse Undertale, ch5 being Snowdin and ch3 being Hotland.Seeing the exact form each emerged in still be a curveball is exactly what I was hoping for.>the 2 chapter demo never was a warioware-esque minigame collectionACTing and dodging presented enough variety to feel that way to me.
>>4079884Is Lord of the Hammer the in universe Divine Comedy?
>>4079867>>4079878>>4079882A theory I've been thinking about is>MANTLE is about the Twisted Sword route>It will be too late to get the TwistedSword in a normal run. Something will happen where either Seam or Mallius is unavailable in chapter 6. (I strongly feel like something will happen to Castle Town based off the fact Toby let us experience the chapter 5 recruits in the cafe, as if we won't get the chance to next chapter)>I think this because Asgore is already gone in chapter 6, meaning MANTLE can't play out properlyMeanwhile if the Weird Route does lead to some kind of time loop>You'd be able to reset the game while still having Gerson's shadow crystal in your inventory.>This puts you one crystal ahead of schedule>Meaning that you can make the TwistedSword just in time for the festival and make it a day to remember
>>4079895I think it's just a play on the lord of the rings. A ton of irl rpgs took major inspiration from lotr as well
>>4079898the last books never getting written could also be toby poking fun at game of thrones because thats literally whats happening there
>>4079897>>It will be too late to get the TwistedSword in a normal run. Something will happen where either Seam or Mallius is unavailable in chapter 6.imagine the outrage
>>4079897I think we're gonna go to a goner hometown in 7b (nowhere) and fight a bunch of weird shit there. It'd let the third board play out while not being full genocide either. Might even find the actual dess somewhere in there, too.
>>4079880>start killing monstersA good amount of killing in MANTLE is shown to be metaphorical, especially in the 2nd game. It mainly serves to invoke the idea of undertale's genocide run, and with it the idea of a "different route".You seem confused so i'll explain my idea further, MANTLE's first game "ends" when you reach a snowy area, and are unable to proceed further without "becoming stronger" and going out of bounds. I'd say this represents chapter 6, from Gerson's dialogue about Lord of the Hammer:>There was only one more chapter... After that,>It all stopped.It might take the Shadow Crystals to "leave the set path" for the normal routes ending, which is why ERAM wants you to collect them all. After that, you find a treasure chest containing the Ice Key. Since theres no physical item that corresponds this to, (and its not the ThornRing either) i'd interpret it as being departed with knowledge of the weird route. Like Flowey telling you about the pacifist route after you finish the game. It could also represent the beginning of a weird route file, which is why the game ends right after and the ice key is only used up at the end of game 2.>but doesn't MANTLE already represent knowledge of the weird routeIts entirely possible a blind player wouldn't fully make the connection, or be unaware that there was more than one route. But MANTLE is supposed to initially set up the idea, and provide an actual guide on how to do it.
>>4079897>You'd be able to reset the game while still having Gerson's shadow crystal in your inventory.You mean Spamton's shadow crystal, because that's the only one that you need to get in the weird route, since you are forced to fight Spamton. You can skip all the other hidden bosses and crystals if you want in the weird route. And how would that even work anyway? Shadow Crystals seem unique, they are tracked in the savefile itself, I don't think you can just dupe shadow crystals by restarting the loop. And even if you did, how would that work, exactly? Why would you be able to bring only one duped shadow crystal back? Why not the 4 you can get it the weird route? You could do that and have the sword crafted by the end of chapter 2, just get the fifth shadow crystal from Jevil or Spamton, and the thorn ring from aborted weird route, and you can craft the sword right there, why wait for the festival?
>>4079905If this was an attempt at making your ideas clearer then sorry but it has failed, this is not meant to be an insult, I really have no idea what you're trying to say here, it reads like complete gibberish to me. Call me retarded for not being able to understand it if you want, it's fine, but I'm not gonna continue engaging with this, sorry.
>>4079897Im pretty sure the cafe exists because you can't talk to the flowers again, not because you aren't going to get the new recruits in your town. The deltarune newsletter talking about chapter 6 has a sprite of Kawkaw in a santa hat, and there is an unused sprite of a flower building in Castletown. So there will probably still be a Castletown segment.
>>4079910Yeah honestly that makes sense.
>>4079911chapter 6 flashback believers in shambles
I want my kriselle date
>>4079915Best I can do is chapter 6 with Susie and Noelle in the party along with Kris. Remember the fire mage leaves the party in dragon blazers.
>>4079916Suselle is a conscious choice. You don't have to add it in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZdgxUnyBQimagine chapter 7b making the battle screen like earthbound
>>4079917It is, and Toby has made the conscious choice to add it in.
>>4079919That was wrong of him. I hate suselle, it's gross.
>>4079916Yeah Ralsei will leave the party and Kris will go with him.Our main character Susie will have to be without Ralsei for a whileNoelle will never get to be in your party again, you'll just have to settle for the goat. On the plus side he'll probably let you use FireShock
>>4079916Raly would never leave me
Kris is the main character.
>>4079924yeah...
>>4079926The code says he is main character. He's my brave knight.
>>4079929>He's my brave knight.Noelle...
>>4079930Based. All roads will lead to kriselle, trust.
the deltarune dialogue lines emphasizing Netskie has a tail are a silly jab at ceroba not having a tail
>>4079940(swisches my fluffy $$$$ing tail)
I'm never switching up on Chapter 6 revolving around a Hospital Dark World and I think the fact that Toby is not expecting there to be a lot of merch from this chapter GUARANTEES that it can not take place in the Holiday Manor because there would have to be a massive amount of new darkners if it were the setting of Chapter 6.Hospital Chapter 6 also has the chance to resolve a lot of loose threads including the potentially fallen down blue bird
>>4079940toby doesn't touch fangames unless theyre edgy sans AU fightssorry bro
>>4079947yellow is literally a parody jab towards undertale yellow's TPE ending lmao
>>4079940Is the tail that important
>>4079959Tails are VERY important
toby didn't let us beat flowery up because of favoritism
>>4079969Toby didn't let us beat up Flowery because Susie and Ralsei felt that silencing him violently would prove him right.
>>4079969favoritism is making an event for a nigga who lives in the garbage
>>4079971prove him right on what? that we're willing to fight for our dark world's sake? a point doesn't matter if you get your ass kicked in an alleyway
>>4079973>a point doesn't matter if you get your ass kicked in an alleywayPossibly the worst argument you could've made
>>4079969>Because of lazy-ismFixedHe didnt want to code a fight version of the battle
>>4079974>"a-a-and thatch's why your w-wrong...">then the bully calls you a smartass, punches you and takes your wallet, the entire classroom laughs at you for being such a weak nerd.>next day, they start whispering things behind your back>>4079972toby lets you beat his ass in three different encounters (in the weird route you're forced to do it), not even ralsei bothers to put a good word in after the neo fight, and the entirety of the weird route makes him ultra villainous, also the ch3 spamton scene makes a joke out of him with the foam thing
>>4079971Thats not a good reasonStill how could would it be if you could defeat flowery with FIGHT, DESPITE having ralsei and susie aganst you?but noooo that would actually be interesting cant have that
>>4079981tenna being treated as a fucking freak for keeping a pipis as a spamton keepsake kills me
>>4079983That would probably give away Kris's plausible deniability of being on their side if he just chimped out and tried to kill Flowery
>>4079986Yeah probablyBut man would it be cool
>>4079983Why the fuck would Kris do that
>>4079981>toby lets you kill Spamton yourself so he doesn't like Spamtonah, so Toby hates the entire Undertale cast except for Alphys, I see I seeWHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT
>>4079981yeah spamton gets plenty of love in game as is
>>4079990the point is that spamton doesn't get any grace or sympathy from any character
Personally? I believe in chapter 1 theory.
>>4079992Because he is an asshole who acts only for his own gain until you beat him and he becomes a pocket item.Flowery is acting altruistically for Asgore and the other flowers.Toby doesn't decide characters are liked or hated because he likes or hates them, or because he expects such from you.
>>4079992Tenna actively misses him
Flowery's one thing but the weather duo really upset me too>Oh yeah we'll just make each of them have more HP than the main antagonist so you HAVE to do it the way Toby intended!I really hope there's some kind of Side B loop, either as the Vessel or Noelle, where we tear apart all these quirky characters
>>4079997first off, not me, second, eh, at least toby lets you finish the weather duo battle while FIGHTing and you can obliterate their asses in the ch4 battle dojo, i bet chapter 5 era toby would've forced you to ACT against the weather duo in order to progress
>>4079997If you hate quirky writing why are you playing a Toby Fox game?>I could kill the annoying quirky characters in UndertaleAnd that was somehow enough for you? You like the quirky characters when they're talking about how sad they are that you're killing them and their friends?
My schizo theory is that Undertale was practice for Deltarune, which is Toby's metaphorical "final exam" to get Nintendo to do an official translation of Mother 3.>"If it comes to the West, you can play it and realize how unoriginal I am." - Toby Fox on Mother 3Everyone in this thread knows the inspiration, most of the wider fandom peripherally know the inspiration. Even people who have never played a game in the series are at least curious and M3 is stronger than ever in the zeitgeist.>But Toby's goal was to make a game based on his DREAMYeah and that dream was inspired by Mother 3. He made Undertale and got BIG. Big enough to become a full-time dev and hire a team and build the main course that is Deltarune. He's on track to do it, but you see that he isn't shy about rubbing elbows with the people at Nintendo. His game is the highlight of the Nintendo Directs when it appears. He did music for Pokemon. Sans got featured in Smash. He's had plenty of meetings with famous developers...But... BUT! Many of the western fans like to complain about how long releases take for new Deltarune chapters because, why? Because he is obsessive about making the Japanese translation perfect and releasing it at the same time as the English version. There's a whole book focusing on his translation process. And why, you may ask?The common answer is that he is a massive weeaboo and wants to become Japanese. I think he's trickier than that. I think he is handing Japan a love letter with a humble request. A love letter carved from countless hours of hard work and genuine care for the craft. A love letter shared with the world that sings the praises of Mother 3. Like the prophecy in Deltarune was retold as Lord of the Hammer was retold as Dragon Blazers was retold as Cat Petterz... He is proving the value of a reinterpretation of something he loved and it's economic viability and cultural value to a bunch of Japanese businessmen.tl;dr Toby causing Mother 3 official translation
>>4079998>i bet chapter 5 era toby would've forced you to ACT against the weather duo in order to progresswould be fine cause the Weather Duo are like the biggest example of having the option to FIGHT by itself not making a battle better. Like your input literally means fucking nothing in their CH3 encounter and their dojo fight is a stupid gimmick that means even less if you're just gonna mindlessly whack them into oblivion.Lamest fights ever man
>>4079995Noteworthy that Tenna is also a prick even if he's more sympathetic than Spamton for being more emotionally stunted and stuck in the past than he is batshit insane
>>4079746Are the Vessels going to rape Kris??
>>4079689For whatever reason the animation works for the one giant slide during the cliffs and never again, I have no idea whyhttps://youtu.be/t0lt4XIjoa4?t=9570
>>4080001>having the option to FIGHT by itself not making a battle better.the mere act of having an option is good enough, things like "doing kind things" and "being merciful" in a game means jackshit if the game forces you to be kind and doesn't let you fuck off, that pacishit stuff means a bit more when you CAN choose to not do it, but do it anyways, so even if i don't personally use it, it's still cool to have a say on that matter, the game wouldn't feel the same if literally every fight forced you to ACT and SPARE to end the battle and if it always locked you out of FIGHTing or doing the weird route at all, suddenly all the kindness you'd be showing would be fake as shit.>Like your input literally means fucking nothing in their CH3 encounterwho cares? your input means fucking nothing if you FIGHT every enemy in your way either but toby still gives enough of a shit to cuck you out of beating up certain characters anyways, they attack us, we attack them, it's fair game!>their dojo fight is a stupid gimmick that means even less if you're just gonna mindlessly whack them into oblivion.exactly, and yet, that stupid gimmick is somehow relevant enough that you HAVE to mercy them or something?? it's better than nothing, the battle dojo has been quite shitty as of late anyways, might as well throw us a bone by letting us FIGHT
ADDRESS ME.
>>4080000toby doesn't want m3 to get an official translation, because everyone would know he just ripped it offalso checkd
>>4080006it has the entire tutorial for weird route in it and includes (most likely) the main antagonist of it whats there to address!!!
yknow, that big room where susie and ralsei start ACTing on their own if you merely fuck up twice is a precise recreation of what chapter 5 is as a whole, you are perfectly capable of doing this mind-numbing puzzle on your own but toby doesn't trust that you'll do things "right" so the dickheads in your team decide to butt in and force themselves to make the section mindnumbing with no option to turn that shit off unless you close the game and try again, its always the same, you get shit forced onto you even if you disagree, "you might want to be with berdly? fuck you, ill make you see the dyke scene anyways!", "you might say that ralsei looks better with the hat on! so we won't let you voice your opinion on this hat matter and pretend you agree with ralsei!", "you wanna defend yourself against the dickhead bosses trying to kill you? fuck you we wont let you FIGHT them to victory!!", "you wanna destroy the big bread dough for fun? fuck you, you dont get shit!!", "you don't want to see the ultra cuck ending? fuck you, we'll make kris force you onto a balloon so you see susie take over your castle town while still making kris seem upset about it afterwards even through they forced you to witness it!", its always the white pen of hope this, the freedom to change fate that but when it comes to letting us choose it's all crickets, huh? this sucks all of it sucks, it's clear that toby fucking despises giving you any semblance of autonomy in this chapter, even through he's pointed out that none of these fucks will return he still forces us to play along even through we're literally possessing kris not the other way around, god fucking shit
>>4080013Some people don't believe that that's why I'm asking people to address it.
>>4080006no, address me
>>4080005>things like "doing kind things" and "being merciful" in a game means jackshitIt always means jack shit unless you specifically enjoy seeing the characters happy.
>>4080017I really wonder if it's referencing Noelle immediately clocking Kris as having changed
>>4080015the auto acting in the big room was a shitter prevention thing, in theory it's fine but it's dumb it automatically triggers if you fail twice instead of something like 5 times also, like it or not the weird route is the route where you get to 'choose' how things gobut these things come with consequences
>>4080017It's the Player trying to get a different ending by attacking everyone. You get the smallest taste of a different outcome in the Dark World, since he's put to sleep by Ralsei instead of being overthrown by his subjects, but nothing else changed.
>>4080019having a choice makes it more impactful, games will go on and on about how you're such a strong heroic good hero who's always so kind and helpful and selfless, but all of it is meaningless false praise, you are, more often than not, forced to be a good guy in most games with no options to do otherwise (and even when you could avoid doing as many good deeds as possible like its some sort of plague, they'll still treat you like a good hearted hero at the end of it), it's much more impactful to do all of those good deeds when you COULD simply act like a dickhead and be labelled a dickhead instead, and i've seen people agree on that stuff, nobody likes to be forced to do specific shit even if it mightve been something they would've done on their own otherwise, the hero title is oftentimes unearned in games, you don't have a choice, you were bound to get it no matter what, it is a fake title. having a choice already makes it feel much more impactful.
>>4080021>the auto acting in the big room was a shitter prevention thing, in theory it's fine but it's dumb it automatically triggers if you fail twice instead of something like 5 timesyeah, at least throw in a "fuck off let me do this on my own" option or something>also, like it or not the weird route is the route where you get to 'choose' how things go>but these things come with consequencesim aware, those consequences are worth it anyways since i get to have my free will back
>>4080028>throw in a 'fuck off let me do this on my own' optionthis is the same dev who would keep flowery's voice lines turned off if you selected it in the one room for a bit, and only gave you an option to fix in in a patch, where you have to interact with something at the very end of the chapter to turn it back onyou are asking too much for this small indie dev
>>4080026>you are, more often than not, forced to be a good guy in most games with no options to do otherwiseYeah. And this isn't some kind of issue. This is simply the scope of those games.>it's much more impactful to do all of those good deeds when you COULD simply act like a dickhead and be labelled a dickhead insteadI agree. That's why I think most games that call you a hero no matter what aren't trying to derive significant impact from it. Because offering the chance for the game to recognize you as being mean DOES make being nice more impactful. But that means the point of all those games that don't offer this is not necessarily to feel like you've been nice. There's lots of ways a game can be intended to make you feel.>the hero title is oftentimes unearned in games, you don't have a choice, you were bound to get it no matter what, it is a fake titleAnd Deltarune seems to be1.) intended to help a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't think about games that much understand this2.) not trying to make you feel like a hero in the slightest, nor did it ever look like it was meant to
>>4080005>the mere act of having an option is good enoughNo not really their "fight" literally just sucks ass at its core. I don't even know why we're pretending FIGHTing actually matters here in any capacity when you still go through the same exact motions as if you were trying to ACT. FIGHTing doesn't change a single aspect of how you'd approach the fight at all, you don't even defeat them violently in Chapter 3. You still have to choose a favorite, they still break up in the same amount of turns, Tenna still has to end the fight. You didn't have any sort of say in the matter nigga. Not to mention their moveset is just paltry, legitimately less thought out as a fight than the forced SPARE battles.Their dojo fight stinks cause it was clearly catered towards ACTing but couldn't commit so if you fight it's just especially sucky. The Weather Duo has plenty of unused attacks that could've been used to make it an ACTUAL battle alongside the weather gimmick. Y'know actually FLESHING out the encounter would be throwing a bone. Merely hitting them over and over again while they use their ONE singular attack ISN'T. And I'm not gonna pretend it is
>>4080030toby is quite allergic to giving you toggleable options unless he's pressured into it, huh?>"pink's nicer bombs-"the pink fight is THE fight with the vocaloid lyrics, Toby was banking on it being successful, people talking about muh bombs would've been a bad look (favoritism like this is why only pink got a toggleable nerf option but flowery nerfing his own fight isn't) so he had to correct it.
>>4080021>the auto acting in the big room was a shitter prevention thingI really dont think it is, it's treated like its supposed to be a big character moment for the group. Giving control to everyone else has been a constant theme in the game>Ch1 You literally progress Susie's character so she can choose to do more than fight>Ch2 Susie runs with Ralsei, taking the choice of who goes with who herself, and later Susie forces you to let her and Ralsei to ACT>Ch3 has the segment where you're literally encouraged to swap controller and give player 1 to someone else, if you dont they're actively shitty about it iirc>Ch4's secret boss is literally telling Susie point blank that she's the one who has the power to write the futureAnd now we're here with ch5, where it's progressed so far the game is literally telling you, the player, to sit your ass down as your party members plays the game themselves, and you should be cheering for them. This has been a running theme this whole time, the ch5 segment isnt just shitter protection, its trying to say something
>>4080035i don't think i'll never not be at least a little peeved that toby shelled out cash for a mid tier hatsune miku song for pink and didn't have actual singing for flower manit feels like such a waste
>>4080031>Yeah. And this isn't some kind of issue. This is simply the scope of those games.it is in the grander scale of gaming, we don't need any more of it we've got enough in our plates.>But that means the point of all those games that don't offer this is not necessarily to feel like you've been nice. There's lots of ways a game can be intended to make you feel.yeah, yeah, games can make you feel other things while you're playing to make up for that eyerolling thing, but still, it is worth pointing out, especially since deltarune places huge importance on its mercy or fight system and prides itself on it, despite railroading you like any other game.>1.) intended to help a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't think about games that much understand thisyou mean like, the conclusion that anybody who plays more than one game would reach into?>2.) not trying to make you feel like a hero in the slightest, nor did it ever look like it was meant towell, considering how the game calls your party the heroes so many times, and how chapter 2 weird route is essentially the only chapter you can go in as a full on doomguy esque bad guy/antihero/maybe-villain/etc for the entirety of it compared to other chapters which have like 30 minutes long scenes of assholery before going back to basics, it sure doesn't feel like you aren't being a hero after a while
>>4080036in a roundabout way, the less autonomy (you) have is further robbing kris from whatever little he has left all susie needs him for now is to seal the fountains, which she can't do herself and i'm almost certain she'll try and see if noelle can do it
>>4080036>>Ch1 You literally progress Susie's character so she can choose to do more than fightand you can choose to not indulge on that and just beat them all up together like a duo, too bad you don't get to join lancer and fully commit to the bit...>>Ch2 Susie runs with Ralsei, taking the choice of who goes with who herself, and later Susie forces you to let her and Ralsei to ACTeh, i don't mind them fucking off, at least i get to be with noelle and receive an actual route option where i wouldn't have if susie didnt trade me the option to choose a partner for this.>>Ch3 has the segment where you're literally encouraged to swap controller and give player 1 to someone else, if you dont they're actively shitty about it iircyou can say no and get your controller back, through.>>Ch4's secret boss is literally telling Susie point blank that she's the one who has the power to write the futurethis one is true but it does feel kinda backhanded considering how the game cucks you out so many times in comparison.overall, i agree on what it's supposed to be for, but at least you got to go off and do your own thing back then, you didn't even have to do susie's idea in the second k round fight if you didn't want to. i want to play the game and reach victory myself, not watch a cutscene of it being solved
>>4080036even then the game is running on the whole "your choices don't matter" theme on varying levels anyway. in some ways they matter, in other ways they don't.you usually get a choice, but there are times you don't.all of that to make you wonder if any of it truly mattered
>There's only one endingSoWhat did he mean by this/how will he handle it?
>>4080042Don't misunderstand me, Im not defending this part of the game, Im saying thats what it's trying to do. It WANTS to say that taking control away from the player and giving it to the NPCs is going to be the right thing to do. Im not saying the examples I pointed out are good story beats, im saying the prove the intention I'm claiming the game has. Like with ch3, I literally said even if you can get your controller bakc the game makes it very clear that it didnt want you to pick that, and everyone is upset about it. Susie doesnt pluck anything anymore, and the atmosphere is a lot shitter as a resultI agree all of this is stupid, Im with you there, but saying the moment in ch5 is just shitter protection is where I had to speak up because thats giving it too much credit, its actively trying to convince you that doing what it did is a good thing
>>4080045THENTHE WORLD WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS
>>4080039>it is in the grander scale of gaming, we don't need any more of itAny more of what? Being forced to be a good guy? I don't understand why. Are you asking for games to not have linear narratives?>games can make you feel other things while you're playing to make up for that eyerolling thingWhat eyerolling thing?>the conclusion that anybody who plays more than one game would reach into?Look at how many people get personally offended at the concept of a game even so much as responding to the player doing mean things negatively. Look at how many people see Undertale as chiding them for killing monsters in any RPG. Clearly, many people are deeply attached to the "hero" status and generally positive tone that some games hand out to anyone who plays.>it sure doesn't feel like you aren't being a hero after a whileThe fact that your "hero" status is aggressively artificial is also part of Deltarune examining it. It isn't trying to flat out not provide you the sense of being a hero, but it's trying to point out how fake it is coming from games. And I think it's succeeding.
>>4080045>*I want to believe... it can change!>*That there isn't just one ending!>*But...>*What would that be...?>*If there was something else, what would it be...?>*And how do we know>*It wouldn't be something even worse?Deltarune is built upon trying to change the ending of the game already chosen for you. You can either do it by repairing broken dreams, finding evidence and being a full pacifist (The Route with the pure Crystals, all eggs and recruits) or you can do it by searching for an ending that only benefits YOU (Side B)
https://youtu.be/ZJZdgxUnyBQ
>>4080038he already said he didn't give Flower Man vocals cause none of the attempts satisfied him. for Pink he handed off most of the "actual work" to Camellia. but that guy also arranged Flower Man so you're gonna have to take it up with that guy
>>4080056>none of the attempts satisfied himsounds more like he didn't want to look for more singers and gave up after everyone on the team gave it a go
>>4079094Gaster is seemingly unable to physically manifest into DELTARUNE, so he needs middlemen to work for him. As for why the skelebros would be IN CHARGE:>NormalNPC is too violent and schizo>The other gaster followers are basically background characters who exist to signify his presence>FRIEND is explicitly described as stupid and fickle-minded>ERAM is actively fucking with Gaster's DEVICEIt's like a crime family. He puts his family in charge because they're the only ones he can really trust.
>>4080057if that's how you wanna take it. not like we'll get a full detailed list of every step he took or who he contacted for the song any time soon. he wasn't even fully satisfied with what he made by himself considering he got someone else to arrange it
>>4080051Well technically, it's more about the amusing contradiction that in a game where the ending of is defying the prophecy, technically the only action you could do to actually get a "different ending" is the action where you fulfill the prophecy, and Ralsei's dialog and subsequent reaction in Chapter 5 being reinforcing the fact that you are rigidly following the prophecy via the weird route out of terror of what would happen if he "broke" the rules of the game.Incidentally the "single ending" contained within the game could refer to the fact that there is no reward at the end of the weird route and the factors that spur the prophecy into being broken happen regardless, although you're left in a far more terrible state than you would have ended.
>>4080047>It WANTS to say that taking control away from the player and giving it to the NPCs is going to be the right thing to do.and i can do the same things just fine? it's basically susie and ralsei: the show, if susie didnt steal my crossaint power up i could solve everything in the boards myself, if the characters didnt forcefully make the big room puzzle piss easy within 2 fails i could solve it myself, the fact that tenna's boards become a little more engaging the moment susie makes you play as mini-susie says a lot about how you could do everything fine if you got the benefits from being mini-susie along with being mini-kris. i can accept needing their help to pave the way to success (was proven with how ch1 susie couldnt get to the end alone), but don't hold my hand and drag me down the road.>even if you can get your controller bakc the game makes it very clear that it didnt want you to pick that, and everyone is upset about it.wow, having free will is bad, wooww>Susie doesnt pluck anything anymoredoesnt she always stop doing it in board 2 anyways?>but saying the moment in ch5 is just shitter protection is where I had to speak up because thats giving it too much creditNTA btw, i didnt say that.>its actively trying to convince you that doing what it did is a good thing"thanks for the help, but i dont need it", simple, and nice, it's not a bad thing to want to do things yourself.
>>4080063>if I could just do everything then I could beat the game better!And getting to the end of the game is why you're playing the game?
>>4080065Uhh that's actually called having free will and mattering!
>>4080049>Being forced to be a good guy? I don't understand why. Are you asking for games to not have linear narratives?it doesnt have to not be "open world! explore the empty nothingness!", it's simple, "Yes, i wanna help" or "no, i will be on my merry way now", it makes me feel more invested when i can actively pick to say yes or no without being forced to say yes, there are many rpgs with linear narratives that let you fuck around just fine, without it, it just feels like im watching someone else be the noble selfless hero rather than myself, because i was forced to be oh so heroic. no one likes being forced to do things.>eyerolling thinguhh, being forced to be nice no matter what?>Look at how many people get personally offended at the concept of a game even so much as responding to the player doing mean things negatively.cowards? because i'd sure love to have choices with that impact in a perfect case scenario.>Look at how many people see Undertale as chiding them for killing monsters in any RPG.thats mostly because the game pushes pacifism so i can see why someone would take it the wrong way.>Clearly, many people are deeply attached to the "hero" status and generally positive tone that some games hand out to anyone who plays.i've seen a fair share of praise for games letting you be evil just fine, and the latter is moreso people complaining about the game seemingly, from their pov, preaching stuff to them, rather than complaining about being able to not be heroic. I wouldnt say that many people are attached to the hero status.>but it's trying to point out how fake it is coming from games. And I think it's succeeding.and i can agree that such hero titles are fake, i would rather have well-deserved praise that can simply not be there if you havent been heroic, than to have such empty praise no matter what.
I've been replaying chapter 4 lately when I realized something hugeChoir practice was cancelled because of the rain, meaning that no Lightners were ever going to be in the church when the Knight was opening the Dark FountainThe Knight mentions how the plan was to make the Dark Fountain at the church that eveningTHE KNIGHT KNEW IT WAS GOING TO RAIN AND THAT CHOIR PRACTICE WOULD GET CANCELLEDTHE KNIGHT HAS FORESIGHT, AS IF IT KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPENKRISELLE KNIGHT STOCKS ARE ON THE RISE
>>4080065its not about getting to the end of the game, it's about being able to have fun solving things by myself and maybe be praised for it instead of watching glorified cutscenes that solve the parts that are slightly challenging
>>4080042>>4080063>>4080069>>4080071>I came to deltarune to complete the mission
>>4080070What? No I think the choir practice was cancelled because of Sans, and I don't get how it raining means Kriselle Knight is real.
>>4080070>kriselle knight*noelle knight
>>4080072>why am i still playing as kris if he is willingly sabotaging the mission>i came to deltarune to complete the mission. seal the fountains, kill the knight, stop the roaring. that is what i care about, nothing else, and i can't even have that. i have no allies in the game who will actually take orders the way they're supposed to
Oh right, "Deltarune" threadForgot for a minute I was dealing with the mentally ill talking past each other to themselves regarding theories about a game they haven't played.Bummer.Well, back to that other image board I go on from time to time I suppose.
>>4080076See you tomorrow.
>>4080078You will but it won't be here.
>>4080073The Knight knew it would rain meaning the Knight has to be someone who has experienced Chapter 4 before.Can't be Carol, Rudy, or Dess
>>4080072you're misunderstanding my point, we'll get to the end regardless of whether the others drag us there or whether i do it myself, i would rather have fun solving the hurdles instead of having the solution shoved onto me, papyrus' big X-O puzzle didnt force you to press the switch on the tree, why cant i do the same here? unlike CoL, the mission is not that important to me, i just wanna be able to feel invested more in the road.
Can we safely say the Knight knew Gerson back when he was still alive? Because its not like they'd be able to "revive" him if not.
>>4080080Even as a Kriselle knight enjoyer that feels like a bit of a stretch. You could make a decent argument that the church dark world was always going to happen due to obvious prophecy following reasons, so Toriel being absent wasn't enough of a dealbreaker.After 5 though its hard to argue the knight DOESN'T want toriel, they kidnapped Asgore so it stands to reason they want Toriel as well to complete the package.
>>4080070>THE KNIGHT HAS FORESIGHTErm... The Knight could have just checked the weather forecast.
>>4080085toriel seemed very confident that she was gonna have to go to church
>>4080085Hometown doesn't get broadcasts anymore>>4080084>After 5 though its hard to argue the knight DOESN'T want toriel, they kidnapped Asgore so it stands to reason they want Toriel as well to complete the packageThe Knight wants anyone associated with the police for the police sacrifice or whatever. Toriel was just a red herring, the Knight never intended to take her in the first place
>>4080087>Toriel was just a red herring, the Knight never intended to take her in the first placewhat was the knight planning to do if susie didnt cut through the hand beam and just yelled instead? it would make the "red herring" apparent if the knight didnt double down
The church dark world was supposed to be a trap for Toriel, but Sans made sure she wouldn't come.
>>4080088stall longerundyne was always the goal, asgore proved that
Who's the Forgotten Man?Hard Mode: Don't say Deltarune's Gaster
>>4079999>You like the quirky characters when they're talking about how sad they are that you're killing them and their friends?Not him but yes..
>>4080097Flowey...
I've been working on an aborted chapter 4 weird route save just in caseApparently, as of Chapter 5's release, Toby changed somethingNow when Noelle says that Kris returned her watch, she meant it. The Silver Watch is gone from my inventory and it does that if you start Chapter 4 on the weird routeIt was absolutely worthless, but I'm still surprised he changed it. Doesn't seem like starting chapter 5 removes it if you have the watch from a pre-patch chapter 4 completion save, so those saves can have a legacy item you can no longer get.
>>4079824Well, at least the Jackenstein's map version of it was right.
>>4079838She was a main character and would be more equivalent to Dess or Gaster in Deltarune.
>>4079847It was literally just called blood in the files but people refuse to accept that.
>>4080107But the vibes, man, the vibes.
>>4079897Too much work, there's not going to be a new game+ or looping back to earlier chapters. People need to stop doing that shit after being burned so much.
Why did the voice in the phone say church tonight if the Knight opened the church fountain in the afternoon, are they stupid?
>>4079940Toby didn't design that character but he did design Yellow taking Blue cock in his ass.
>saw the weird route scene in noelle's room>couldn't help but notice how easily noelle overpowers kris' desperate attempts without even tryingit's so hot how much stronger noelle is over krishttps://youtu.be/enDHW4qOHuE?t=397
>>4080122She's not only stronger than kris, but arguably has power over (YOU)PROCEED is her magic word now
>>4080003Yes, they're the most molested character of all time for a reason.
>>4080006It's obviously about the secret third route and not the weird route, that's why it's on the weird route page, duh!
>>4080123>So called deer that has power over the Soul not so tough now after the Player doesn't press PROCEED
>>4080126I don't think anyone denies that MANTLE has importance to WR, but that its inherently contradictory and will likely make little sense until we actually play 7bFor example each of the mantle sections place a autistic level of importance on Kris receiving the SWORD, but we know the twisted sword might not be in the cards for 7b since you skip 5's dark world and shadow crystalOr how there's a whole section where you get returned back to the fungang before SWOONing them via backstabs. How the fuck does that make any sense for 7b???
>>4080132You kill the fun gang in 7B too. The order of Mantle 3 might be slightly out of order as many things in the Dark World are, like Asgore's notes or "The children followed the pointed tail" dialogue.
>>4080132>How the fuck does that make any sense for 7b???You return to an earlier chapter having acquired something new, why is that so hard to believe? I made a post asking this question earlier >>4079886
>>4080070Toriel was the one who canceled choir practice because she decided to hang out with Sans instead.
>>4080135Everybody say thank you Sans.
>>4080096Papyrus.
>>4080116Because they decided to open it earlier, that's what the "I'll be right there" meant.
>>4080132It's not really that contradictory, we will simply meet up with Ralsei and Susie again in the underground of Hometown, the sword is probably just whatever weapon we get in 7B, not necessarily muh twisted sword.
>>4079826Honestly it's a major reason why I think chapter 6 will be the shelter since the holiday mansion has too much things that could be wacky and goofy compared to Eram's sex dungeon. Also the fucked up darkness in the shelter might only be able to be pacified>but the hospital fits that too!Toby isn't going to acknowledge Berdly as important again so that's out of the window
>>4080155>Toby isn't going to acknowledge Berdly as important againHe's been foreshadowed as the most important with the birb in chapter 4Makes me think you will straight up get a soft lock like ending for aborted 4, with 5 being even more extreme.
>>4080155It will just be Rudy's room that becomes a Dark World, not Berdly’s.
Kralsei status?
>>4080173It survived Chapter 5.
>>4080155>the holiday mansion has too much things that could be wacky and goofyChapter 4 was supposed to be a darker chapter and it had fucking Jackenstein in it. Not to mention every other darkner in the church besides the sound of justice and the titan/titan spawn were quite silly too.
>>4080173Has good odds of happening in some way because it's still being pushed by the story. But no one can figure out what its meaning is so it's kinda just hanging.
>>4080180Ralsei will have some tragic sacrifice moment that will make Kris shatter his apathetic facadeWe're going see this little nigga cry.
>>4080173It's doing pretty well but most still don't care for it.
>>4080180Something chapter 5 recently established (although it has gone basically unnoticed because to people wanting to use the scene as Tralsei proof) is that Kralsei, on top of being associated with the Blue/Green motif is also associated with the Pink/Yellow motif now. Which really calls into question what the fuck pink and yellow even represents.
>>4080186This scene is really important because it's both Kralsei related and calls back to Chapter 3's Ralsei taking the player 1 controller for a while, as once again he's offered Kris' colors, aka the guy who makes the choices role, again. The other bath scene has Ralsei saying he wants to believe Kris is doing the right thing out of love for Kris, but it all indicates there'll be a point Ralsei has to make a choice between following Kris, or doing what he thinks is right
>>4079564Do you niggers not know that you can set Litterbox links to last more than an hour?
>>4080189The image in the catbox was this one if you wanna save it
>>4080190It's not about any particular image. It's about how often this fucking happens.
Le nude rat...Ultra need...Duel enter...
>>4080197Le Noelle parallel...
>>4080188I want to believe, just like Ralsei. I want to believe there can be an outcome where he and Kris don't have to fight and the ending has them remain friends. That Kris can be trusted to find a way to not only do good on his promise but save others as well. But I just don't see it currently. With Ralsei becoming a person and Kris getting more desperate, with Noelle being dragged into Castle Town I think eventually they'll have to confront one another simply because their interests are at odds. Even so, if it all comes down to me making a choice, I'll still support Kris.
>>4080186The blue and pink vouchers are just Kris’s Dark World colors, it's not pink and yellow.
>>4080197Cute human
>>4080204The drink vouchers are for actual items, which from their descriptions and healing values represent each member of the fun gang.The blue and pink drink is the RawMoon, which represents Kris.The green and yellow drink is the FlowerySoda, which represents Ralsei.When Ralsei is holding both vouchers, they combine to form pink and yellow as shown in the sprite.
>>4080209Technically Susie is both pink and yellow in the dark world right?
>>4080075I get the meme but I'm always goign to protest that people pulling this shit with The Batter show they never understood that he was intentionally withholding details about the mission from you because he knew when you found out there was a chance you wouldn't help him, which was proven right when The Judge offered to defect from him and he started pleading for the first time ever in the game.
>>4080173*Nah bro...
>>4080212>+1 to the image limit>No contributionI've been quiet while people waste image slots but this is just getting retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZdgxUnyBQ
>>4080234i see somebody doesn't like pianoelle
>>4080234It's some nigger from /doe/ which got offended because he perceived some anons as disliking Noelle and kriselle and this made him angry and now he feels the need to fight back by posting random kriselle images here, with zero text and just wasting the image limit for no reason. It's something that's quite common in /doe/, for example, sometimes someone will post kress there, which gets an anon angry, because he doesn't like kress, and he dumps 30 kriselle images in an attempt to drown out the kress posting. It's pretty schizo behavior, I wish they kept it to /trash/, I don't come here for /doe/ stuff, if I want /doe/ stuff I go to /doe/.
Noelle being USED UP will solve all our problems.
>>4080069>it just feels like im watching someone else be the noble selfless hero rather than myselfAnd I get that. But I feel that way in every game, even ones where I really can "choose" the heroic options over evil options. Because asking "did I choose this?" on any level beyond the selection the game presents as a choice, the answer is mostly "no".I don't actually choose what I do specifically, I pick between a "good option" and an "evil option", maybe depending on the game the polarity is set at altruistic and selfish options. Any choice I have to how a character acts is an aggregate of the dialogue options I've been forced to pick one of. The only real choices I make are "do you want to play this game" and "what content do you want to see". And if I like a game's writing and gameplay, I typically want to see most of the content. To me, nearly every "story choice" a game presents me is in line with that one Super Paper Mario gag where you can say yes and continue or say no and get an immediate game over. Undertale and Deltarune's flood of choices that are for flavor and only end up tracked for flavor helps that.>uhh, being forced to be nice no matter what?Maybe this is the result of my view on choice, but I don't particularly care.>cowards?>the game pushes pacifismThe people who cry about the game being "wrong" when it responds to evil acts as if the player character has been evil are the ones crying that Undertale pushes pacifism and tries to tell you violence in video games is evil.>people complaining about the game seemingly, from their pov, preaching stuff to themPeoples' standards for what "preaching" is are totally fucked. >i would rather have well-deserved praise that can simply not be there if you havent been heroicAh, there's the issue. I strongly feel that all praise for "your" behavior in games is unearned. All of it. 100%. Being nice and being mean is always filtered through the mechanics and the story.
>>4080278Not the anon you're replying to but that's a very strange way of engaging with games, I have to say.
Still unsurpassed
>>4080283I think that choice happens constantly in gameplay, intrinsically, and the industry spending 30+ years trying to give players the ability to "choose" things in the story still produces ridiculously stiff writing. There's always some concession or another you have to offer to make choice work. Undertale's concession was making bosses pretty much completely irrelevant after they've been fought. Sans will remind you about all your choices at the end. Papyrus is an exception, because Sans is such a presence throughout the game after you spare Papyrus that you miss out on quite a few scenes otherwise. But that goes back to the simple "do you want to see this content? Y/N" binary.
>>4080155They'd need to find another 2 codes before entering the next DW, all in the short LW/Castle Town intermission before they get in the next DW.That's why I bet on Town Hall for ch6. The facts there's supposedly nothing important there would justify the bleaker and blander direction the late chapters will take, plus it could make a good Ice Palace.
>>4080285Despite everything I always liked Asriel more, but he's way better than Omega Flowery.
>>4080285Titan wishes he was this
>>4080273Honestly I don't see why people think Noelle being used up is not interesting, it makes for a great tragedy. Noelle feels trapped by forces she can't fight against, she feels like she has to walk the path set ahead of her, there's no divergence, there's nothing she can do, she wants to escape, and she desperately looks for a way of doing this, one day she thinks she has found one in her friend Kris, whow has seemingly "changed", and she believes through him, she can find an escape, but at the end, she realizes that she's simply being toyed with by another higher power to achieve some purpose that she wasn't aware of. I like this idea a lot, and I think it could be execute even better than what I've described here.
>>4080294>I don't see why people think Noelle being used up is not interestingUTDR fandom expectations and appraisal are around characters getting to do things on screen.Don't you see all the people frustrated with how Toriel and others did jack shit in the game so far?
>>4080294Yeah it's >>4080297People acted like the ability to avoid most of Rudy's screen time means he couldn't have an important story role, many of them still do even after his (near death experience/death) was already relevant.A major part of the "argument" against Dess Knight is that we don't know enough about Dess. Why would that be? Because Dess hasn't been alive onscreen yet.The majority of the fandom is completely autistic about what they've seen explicitly on screen.
>>4080299All of this stems from people trying to guess what kind of story Deltarune is trying to be but that's impossible to settle right nowBoth Rudy and Dess have important roles. But it begs the question, will Dess be actually found and she's a real character to interact with, or is she just a memory that serves other character's motivations? Is Rudy secretly the main antagonist hiding in plain sight all along or just playing his role of supportive dying dad?
>>4080304What's the difference odds we still won't know what kind of story Deltarune is by the end?
>>4080294My issue is people who think Kris and Noelle literally drowning will somehow not affect them at all and they will just go on like normal despite Kris being put at 1 HP in aborted because of it. That shit is painful, they aren't going through that unscathed.
>>4080307>the thrashed church will definitely be important!
>>4080096Ninten's grandfather
>>4080310I never believed in that shit.
https://youtu.be/f7neXR3-kqY
>>4080306The vibe I got from the newsletter is that the purpose of Chapter 6 is to finally establish what are the stories' priorities.
>>4080313>a cherished community space got fucked overnight?>nah nobody will give a shit >same as toriel not giving a shit about a maniac targeting her home and car the previous night
>>4080326I cant even be too mad about a hometown simulation reveal now because of this honestly, because itd at least mean toby isnt so retarded he doesnt understand how people would react to extreme, mysterious events with very tangible results happening to the very town they live in back to back. Because then the excuse becomes "Oh everyone in hometown is literally programmed not to question it"
>>4080326Will Colrune address these?
>>4080334CoLrune doesn't think of the church as a "cherished community space", the church is a place where you do your best to sit still so your pastor knows you're obedient to the powers that be. It'll be bad that the church got trashed because that's Disrespectful to the Prophecy.
>>4080326>Maybe if we just ignore it it will go away
>>4080336Can't it be both?
>>4080336Isnt that like someone denouncing Christianity and then reading the bible every night before bed?
>>4080314Vessel needs to look like Chara to mirror Kris looking like Frisk.
>>4080326Exactly, that's just how Deltarune works.
>>4080340Nope, that's disrespectful. Look for yourself, you're supposed to be there for the sermon. If you want to hang out with your "community", go elsewhere. You can go see the argument about this. The thread's still up. >>4077032>>4080341It's more like someone going to church and then renouncing all their fellow churchgoers as "not real Christians" because they weren't there solely to hear the sermon.
CoL is jewish, not Christian btw.
>>4080350So this isn't him say all this.
>>4080326Yeah. How would it serve the plot of Deltarune to have the generic "people who aren't In The Know about the secret world plot think the PROTAGONISTS are the ones up to no good!" plot start up in chapter 5 of 7?
I like Deltarune
>>4080315>the story doesn't introduce anybody's motivations for participating until the beginning of the third act>the actual plot is still unclearsasuga, toby-san
>>4080353They dont need to accuse the protagonists they just need more awareness of their surrounding than your average american driver and actually seem affected by the weird shit in their lives.I genuinely cant believe ANYONE in town was actually affected by the Dess incident if they brush off everything that's happened in the light world already like they have been. Hell for all I know, that's true given how Toriel thought Asgore trying to solve it was such a problem she divorced him. No one in hometown cares about anything but themselves
>>4080359anon everyone in hometown is a retard who never deviates from the path set for themnoelle was right, hometown sucks ass and it's better if she and kris just leave and never look back
>>4080365>if she and kris just leave and never look backTo go where? There's nothing waiting for them except death.
https://files.catbox.moe/f4cx6k.webm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg3LFkBxtsFinally people are waking up to the faults of chapter 5
>>4080367perhaps death is better than just rotting in that shithole forever
>>4080369Wait a second, this isn't OMEGA Asgore!
>>4080369You can tell this guy is still upset Starlo didnt get a geno boss fight
>>4080359And the game expects you to like it's scrimblos?
>>4080374For good reason. Ceroba sucks.
>>4080350I still don't know what CoL is. People here just started saying it someday.
>>4080370>trans voiceMaybe he's not, but it's always so distinctive. I don't get it why they do it on purpose.
>>4080376True
>>4080379because ironically enough, most troons have a deep natural voicespeaking with their normal plot would shatter any attempted deception about what they are
>>4080359They are literally NPCs. In-universe. They're such NPCs that only the addition of someone who wasn't there last year altered ANYTHING about the haunted house at the church.They're such NPCs that Noelle noticed Kris was acting massively different just because he fucking greeted her in ch1, before he said anything else.Any of them responding "properly" to the story around them will be an indication that something is already very, VERY wrong.
>>4080332That's the only thing that could save Toby of going down in history as a braindead writer that got lucky once.
>>4080379Because it's a man trying his hardest to make a naturally-sounding higher pitch voice
>>4080376Based
>>4080388That's just a one trick pony thing. Everyone being just NPCs was already a major story thing in UT and the weren't all this braindead either.
>>4080388>Noelle being interested in Kris from the mere fact he said hi to her at schoolKriselle is inevitable
>>4080388>>4080395>the very first line noelle has in ch1 is now interpreted as her being disassociated as fuck and wanting to kill herself i wonder if toby intended this
Why does the Angel make it's cry?The Pain Itself is reason why.
>>4080369Unironically we never get to actually fight a Yellow that uses his instakill gun.
>>4080374>>4080376Ladies, ladies, your entire fangame sucks, don't fight.
>>4080394>Everyone being just NPCs was already a major story thing in UTNo, a big part of UT is that monsters can have the same kind of depth a person can, and sealing them away in the "fantasy" of the underground was unjust on humanity's part. The monsters respond to your behavior fairly consistently throughout the game. Flowey exhausted all possibilities because he had infinite time compared to all the other characters, not because they were shallow NPCs to begin with.Deltarune's NPCs are shallow. They have one path to walk and minimal leeway. They can only survive a fantasy to begin with. The exceptions are few and tenuous.
https://youtu.be/Wj8NkhyAeec
>hopecore: Toby did it on purpose>doomcore: Toby thought it was genuinely good
>>4080209>The drink vouchers are for actual items, which from their descriptions and healing values represent each member of the fun gang.this is what people miss when calling the vouchers a trans allegory
>>4080406They're real people but to a guy with timegod powers they're functionally NPCs since there's a limited amount of interactions you can have with them in the underground as Flowey found outThat isn't literal though and is purely via the lens of time travellerNoelle's perspective is different, she's isn't involved in time fuckery(yet...?), but after 4 wr she realises how shallow everyone is. They never stop to think about what's happening... they just keep marching down the same path without looking forward.Just like a NPC
>>4080413>Toby did it on purposeThat's not hopecore that's "benefit of the doubt" core.
>>4080378people's favorite strawman punching bag whenever someone dares give criticism towards the game, there's a non-zero chance that most of the common examples of CoL appearing are actually someone else rather than col himself
>>4080438Only by virtue of there being a handful of turbo-schizos who misuse the name. CoL is the guy who wrote the "I came to Deltarune to complete the mission" comment you see people copypasta on occasion.
>>4080438sometimes people mix up CoL with mikefag (me)
>leave the DR discussion because I'm no longer interested in Ch5+/v/ threads did became a general worthy of a ban >see recommendations on YouTube>Toby apparently publicly acknowledged Chapter 7 Side B what the fuck?
>>4080447>/v/ threads did became a general worthy of a banYou fell for a meme.
>>4080438CoL is here and posts screenshots of Colrune daily though.
>>4080447Deserved for being a faggot.
>>4080369What determination could a flower even have
I believe literally nothing happens in chapter six except for some gay shit
>>4080438This happens because you all retards make the same mistake as col so you got put into the same bag as him. First you act like you misunderstand the game or its ideas on a conceptual level and then you act like your criticism should be immune to criticism and call everyone who disagree with it Toby shills even if the discourse is purely about questioning the statements you've made, not defending the game.
>>4080466>you misunderstand the game or its ideas on a conceptual levelThis is a thing that gets sold on a store front after 7 years of propping itself up through the good will of UT fans and misleading teasers (including the demo itself)
Why is the general so unusable?
>>4080469Started around the time you showed up iirc
>>4080464Common concensus is that Weird annoying dogwhistled that 5 and 6 are both filler chapters.
>>4080469/vg/ as a whole is completely unusable.
>>4080374Starlo is a huge pussy, that's basically his arc and the crux of it is him putting himself between Ceroba and Clover when she wants to harvest your soul, only for him to get one shot. He can't even properly shoot a tied up target.
>>4080464>>4080473Nu uh, the guy on twitter said the youtuber he watched said gaster was going to use friends on our friends and then ralsei will be revealed to be the... susie noelle used thing, but anyway...
>>4080476Even if I decide to pretend that's true, you know for a fact that would only happen at the end of 6 which means 7 is still where anything about it will actually happen.
>>4080447I feel like we always knew there would be a chapter 8 because he likes putting so much "extra" content in, it's just that 8 is called 7B. Honestly I'd have been disappointed if 7 chapters was all we got especially after such a long wait.
>>4080483Yeah I agree with you. It's basically soft confirmed that nothing is happening in chapter 6 and for all we know the "one reveal" is going to be some dumbass shipping shit which is why he sounded so defensive in his newsletter.
>>4080401That's all teenagers though
I can't get into the chapter 5 final boss theme, it's too zoomercore wannabe anime and the fight itself feels too forced.
>>4080489the point is that flowery represents the average anime-esque protagonist and that's why even his battle theme is cheesy as fuck
>>4080489it's pretty much sonic adventure 2's final fight, except Flowery is Sonic and we are the biolizard.
>>4080489Flower Man is great, you just have shittaste.
>>4080489If you get the fight mod, it turns into the best fight inthe game
>>4080492>>4080495He's been more like a shoujo protagonist up till now or like an Ouran High School character, then he acts shonen out of nowhere. Plus it's the classic nuanime cringe shit where everyone is like THERE IS NO REASON TO FIGHT BUT I'M GOING TO ACT LIKE A RETARD SO NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT so it's hard to feel invested in what's happening.>>4080494This shit is nowhere near the Finalhazard fight, sit down.>>4080496The DR modding scene sounds great, wish I wasn't a consolecuck.
I genuinely dont remember how you even beat Flowery. Oh yeah sure I "spared" him, I played the game and I dont even know what that meant the battle just "happened" in my mind. I can at least remember how you fight Queen pacifist, but not Flowery
>>4080496fighting an anime-esque protagonist wouldve been so cool but toby just HAD to chicken out when it came to letting us lay our hands on his favorite blorbo
>>4080504you defeat him by ACTing a lot then susie throws you up to the sky and you climb the tower and then hit flowery in a final cutscene
>>4080489I think Flower Man just suffers from weak instrumentation, like a lot of other songs.I've being enjoying the remixes more.
>>4080506ACTing how? I can remember the acts in Queen's fight, you trick her into Toasting so the shield drops. Ive never fought her pacifist because Red Buster is so much better but I can still remember what the option was. I fought Flowery last month and I dont remember the actual things I did in his fight, the shit that actually progressed it.
>>4080489>zoomercoreDo you just throw buzzwords for the sake of it, or are you genuinely retarded?
>>4080501>transform into super forms>main attack is dashing >Hype music in the background with lyricsUhmm.. play more video games lol
>>4080510Sparing Queen involves loosening Berdly from his wires for pacifist. The shields just stop the fight from ending in like 2 seconds
>>4080501isn't one of his very first interactions him imitating a fighting game special move?
>>4080510you blow on flowery, then when the other flowers arrive to assist flowery, you start saying nice things and shit to get them to fuck off, then when yellow and blue appear, you do the trial thing from the yellow and blue fight to prove that flowery is an unethical chud by bringing up the eaten prison moss as evidence and then flowery says "ermm, ackstually you stole the feather (which was actually given to you by aqua btw but that goes unmentioned) so you three gotta go" but ralsei decides to take the fall so you and susie continue the fight, then susie gets the idea to throw you up into the tower, you climb up, and the omega flowery final segment happens
>new Nintendo Direct on the 9th>Undertale went on sale againFuck off Toby, you and I both know it's not happening this soon.
>>4080517That explains why I forgot, everything up until Susie throws you is completely irrelevent and only exists to make you think there's stakes somewhere in this fight
>RALSEI>TURNED OUT TO BE CLAUS>FROM EARTH2BOUND
Isn't it odd how the Chapter that's all about Undertale nostalgia and includes a clear parody of a genocidal Yellow flower doesn't reference the geno route even a little bit? Even Pacifist gets referenced with the "Pacifist Root" comment by Flowery, but geno gets nothing like in the 10th anniversary.
>>4080519How can you not believe in Toby when he's done nothing but deliver so far
>>4080501The song is just cool and you lack joy in your heart.
I'm just going to wait until the game is finished or chapter 6 comes out. Discussion around this game is just so fucking gay.
>>4080521This is probably off topic, but why do DBZ fans always make the most abysmal posts? Genuinely never seen a good post or opinion from someone with a DBZ reaction image/pfp. This is consistently the case across every thread, board, and website I've ever browsed.
>>4080522You destroy the flowers' world. That's genocide.
>>4080501He's a MUGEN cheapie. You can't expect him to not fight like one.
>>4080522Chapter 2's Weird Route was already pretty thick on the genocide references anyway
>>4080517>which was actually given to you by aqua btw but that goes unmentionedFlowery literally says it wasn't hers to give as a counter argument when that's brought up.
>>4080520the red flowery rewrite mod makes the fight a little more interesting and engaging by actually introducing the unused flowery fight ACT system (it requires you to time your soul's dash in order to hit the right ACT because blowonF causes flowery to blow back at you instead and you lose your companions if he ends up getting them to 100% mercy which makes the fight into a 1v1) AND actually writing up a debate where flowery says that he should let his fountain open and etc, etc. since he's innocent or something and you bring up the prison moss to prove that he's in fact, not innocent, which seemed more interesting than the actual fight
>>4080528Because the grand majority of them are into moe anime
>>4080522Genocide references are in the weird route.
>>4080529they were already gonna destroy themselves, even flowery admits that he wouldve died if the fountain stayed open
>>4080519Usually I agree but the fact they've been working 7b for a seemingly substantial bit of time makes me want to hopeThe coming 2027 could just be toby covering his ass if something seriously goes wrong during playtesting (like with chapter 3's extra board that needed reworking)All of this is delusional copium... but can a man share his broken dreams?
>>4080529I meant reference to the actual geno Route in the Undertale nostalgia-bait Chapter. I guess those references are gonna come in 7B when we visit it again.
>>4080532Then doesn't that make Aqua the thief? I think we're all in agreement here that the world would have been better off if after sealing the dark world, Kris pushed the aqua flower case onto the floor.
>>4080540Why would Kris kill their child self (again)?
>>4080539>the Undertale nostalgia-bait Chapter.You're going to have to be more specific.
>>4080532ohh, fuck, i see, talk about forgettable. (snowdin reference!!)either way, you'd think that would be grounds to arrest aqua instead since she gave away something that wasn't hers even through she was meant to guard it but i guess not apparently
>>4080530omega ice "e" was my least favorite part of chapter 6 his ice "e" the movie cover bullets were just too hard to dodge
>>4080542The one with the flowers.
>>4080541Self hatred. Wouldn't you?
>>4080544You know you can just camp in the corner and move side to side for most of it, right?
>>4080514ye your first glimpses of flowey are him doing shun goku satsu floor slides and jojo poses
>>4080549fuck I wasted a revivemint for that fight
>>4080533I didn't mind the way 5 is set up for pure pacifism until I read more and more about how mods fix everything about the chapter
>>4080540Aqua is best Deltarune human, why would you do that to her?
>>4080528A joke is not that serious fag
How does Kris always know which ACTions to take against darkners he's never met before?
>>4080553Red Flowery is still spare only.
>>4080556same reason he plays the chapter 5 shop theme on the piano in chapter 4
>>4080558What do you mean it's the same reason the chapter 5 shop steals one of his piano tunes from chapter 4?
>>4080553red flowery is still spare only (even if you fuck up the ACTs in purpose to get the 1v1, your other party members will STILL heal flowery up despite not being part of the battle anymore, at least the fight itself is slightly improved and the omega (red) flowery segment has him use the other flowers' attacks as an omega flowey reference
>>4080557Oof...
>>4080501Flowery unlike other bosses did offer you a completely peaceful solution. Just go close Castle Town fountain instead of his.
>>4080553Being forced into one option is whatever my main gripe its just the mandatory Castle fights are just kind of lame as fights in general
>>4080565Unethical and impossible because that would mean having to spend more time with Asgore, thus the flowers have to die
>>4080556it's very heavily implied kris isn't a stranger to dark worlds at all, maybe not a stranger to anything in the game's journey
>>4080566I liked the fights and platforming. I did not like the characters.
>>4080565Then there are no heroes and the Knight wins.
you didn't like his jarona???????
>>4080568Do we know what those things in the beginning are? The swaying orb things and the white mounds on the floor that you can break the tops off of.
>>4080571I liked his ja-orange!
I like to think Ralsei knew SpamtonGOD was at the fountain and left Kris to handle it alone as a fuck you for his actions throughout the canon version of the chapter
>>4080556>>4080560the dark worlds are very heavily implied to have been inspired by the games kris and noelle use to play when they were kids and were shaped by their imaginations for the shop theme, it's very possible it's a song kris came up with for a shop, and her dark world has that as a themekris can here all the dw music, as can ralsei susie cannot most of the time, apparently rouxls theme is playing in universe whenever it's on though
>>4080572could be something as silly as (non-sentient) dust bunnies in the room but no they're not specifiedwhatever they are they're always endemic to the outskirts of a dark world, before its "theme" kicks in, there's the one shuttah in chapter 3 that mentions the tv world is on a bigass scaffolding over wild dark world and that mizzie water spirits are around (stuck in water coolers)
>>4080565>"hey guys why don't you just seal your super fountain and leave this one open so your recruits all turn into stone, we die without sunlight and successively shove Kris' dad into super escapism and tear kris' family apart permanently?"
>>4080578the family's already torn apart permanently albeit
>>4080576Kek that's pretty fun lore if true
>>4080572It feels like the purple wastes and things inhabiting them are everything that didn't get contextualized during the creation of the Dark world that they surround.
>>4080580the game does play around with everything being diegetic, ch.5 has ralsei explain to susie that the menus and battle UI are real things
>>4080572>>4080577my theory is that it's fungus growth, it makes sense that the old closet and kris' house have it
>>4080571I like his Jarona I just don't like howGreen/Orange, Yellow/Blue, and half Flowery can be described as>Get TP>use the single high cost ACT because literally have zero other options>small cutscene>Do this again until you winlike even in the ACT department your ass gets gypped
Reminder that Tenna built his TV World to replace another Dark World, just like Gaster made Deltarune to replace an old world.
>>4080579and tearing asgore up with super escapism isn't making things any better
>>4080586i feel it's implied the TV world and its stage being built on a huge scaffolding is literally just the TV being on top of a stand
>>4080589It's still parallelism though.
>>4080576The issue is that there's zero reason for Kris to have made a song about Pink as a kid or imagined oneUnless he was a mew fan as a kid...?Would make his hatred of Alphys funnier
>>4080587no it isn't but asgore would get tired of it waaaaaay before they could ever seriously be a problem, his dumpy ass would be looking for that exit and possibly even hailing kris for how to close it
>no you see OUR wholesome chungus fountain is SPECIAL...because Ralsei, your biggest hater, says so (we don't actually know how it works because he never explained it and we never even saw it up close)
>>4080576Toby mentioned in a newsletter Flowery's theme is also diagetic.
>>4080571He hit me with it, so no
>>4080583Akshully /ourguy/ explained it to her first and also told her important plot details that she will reveal having known in chapter 7
>>4080593To be fair, the dark fountain has been shown to be able to have any darkner in it without them turning to stone, something that's probably not gonna happen with the Flower King dark world.
>>4080594it is really fucking funny to me i clocked it as part of full house's theme and then tobert comes out and confirms it is in a newsletter
>>4080593the difference is that castle town's fountain is pure and can accept any darkner where flowery's dark world would turn all of them into stone
>>4080591there's a soft implication that kris may have been ok with anime when she was younger, and only hates it because of edgy teenage insecurity, and alphys noelle on the other hand has a weeb mother and is actually as bit of a chuuni when she gets into it, based on some item dialogue it's also possible that pink's song is her actual in universe character song from her show
>>4080586That old world? Undertale.
>>4080602No way Wing Dings would never replace his old home.
>>4080602nah, undertale was the game kris and asriel were working on before the latter left for college
>>4080576I assumed everyone can hear the music cause there's always some occasional nod to it. with the Trashy Trio ending and Zappers finding the music too loud if you turn up the volume. Or Pink's lip syncing
>>4080597>>4080600Source: Ralsei, the non-darkener who definitely never lies and never withholds information.
>>4080607Nigga you see it HAPPEN right before YOUR EYES.
What did she mean by that?
>>4080593>>4080597>>4080600>I deserve to live forever and not turn to stone because.....I JUST DO, OK??
>>4080609to be fair to flowery nobody turned to stone in his dark world so the natives at least would be fine.
>>4080610That they are weak. Both are/were sickly, after all.
>>4080610kris and her dad are also the only people she trusts unconditionally
Kris will be a playable character in the next super smash brothers
>>4080607it's all observable btw>darkners turn into stone in foreign dark worlds, as seen in chapter 2>castle town accepts all darkners however.>in chapter 3, kris' dark world, you see ramb and a zapper turn into stone, and you can see lancer turned into stone if you backtrack after the tenna fight, showing that fountains made by kris are not pure and thus any foreign darkner in them would turn into a mere statue.>it is reasonable to believe that any foreign darkners at flower shop's dark world would also turn into stone.
>>4080611Objects are more alive than plantst. Susie
>>4080601>possibleThat's basically what the lyrics are
>>4080612because the only foreign thing at the flower dark world would be Pink, and even then she did manage to blend in quite well to the point of gaslighting orange into thinking she was a flower, which i assume delayed the statue process by a lot
>>4080605>DR is about making a UT with it full of references to games and media its creators likedPeak hack writing, please don't be true
>>4080592Asgore was tired of it the second Flowery put that shirt on him I imagine, he said he was only ever playing along the whole time so he could learn more about the dark world and its fountain. He has no desire for escapism, he wants a genuine solution
>>4080609Just because the stone part is real doesnt mean the rules Ralsei told you were true.Rouxls is an inconsistency with these rules, he turned to stone in the computer lab only when we observed him despite him always being exposed when Lancer was only safe because he was in our pocket. He also doesnt fully stone, except on weird route where he also turned to stone before we ever saw him.AND he shows up in chapter 3 perfectly fine. Despite very clearly not belonging and shoving himself into dynamics he doesnt belong in, he never turns to stone there yet Lancer, who's from the same deck he is, turned to stone
>>4080624That or how she's a gift to Asgore and his lil mascot buddy so she probably still "belonged" anyway
>>4080556The same way the SOUL knows how to turn Yellow or Orange on its own.
>>4080624>foreign thingShe's literally a flower. Human, sorry. She's literally a human.
>>4080633This is because Rouxls is Gaster's self insert.
>>4080633>he never turns to stone there yet Lancer, who's from the same deck he is, turned to stoneafter the rouxls fight in chapter 3, he straight up disappears from the dark world, so it's likely that he turned to stone off-screen, i think the rules are more about "serving a purpose" and fitting in than anything, which is why ramb fully turns into stone if you dont do the sword board minigames but ramb is half stone if you've been doing the sword board minigames even through logically the former scenario should mean that less time has gone by than in the latter scenario, ramb feels the new purpose of letting you play "just one more game", so he holds on just enough to let you finish the final secret board
Out of curiosity I did some calculations regarding pacifyingIn a fight with two enemies (which most fights are), you can end it on turn 2 if you>go all in on offense as either Kris or Susie, stacking on their best weapons and whatever AT boosting equipment is necessary to get to 36 AT. Kris would need +3 AT or Susie would need +2 AT on top of their ultimate weapon. Either give the PowerBand to Kris or the SpikeBand to Susie to make this work.>Have your main fighter attack one enemy while the other two attack the other>The main fighter MUST get a crit, there is no way around this>This will tire both enemies>Then on turn two, have Kris defend and Susie ScytheMare (you should have enough TP since attacking gives you a lot, you should only need to have gotten about 8 TP from grazing)You're almost never able to spare all enemies on turn two, so if you're up for the challenge you can make battles go a little quicker.(while the AquaKnife sounds like it'd make this really easy, using it means Kris cannot possibly deal enough damage to crit an enemy into being tired. Now it's currently bugged and gives everyone the bonus crit zone, meaning if you have Susie be your main fighter, you can reliably get the crits necessary, but this will almost certainly be patched before next time. If it's not though, the AquaKnife might actually be one of the best flower items, nearly guaranteeing a quick fight)Additionally, in a situation where our party is ever Kris-Noelle-Ralsei, the BlueShoes would be invaluable. Have Kris defend, Noelle IceShock an enemy into being tired, and Ralsei use the free pacify. That'd reliably remove an enemy a turn.Slightly unrelated, something I found is that if FireShock uses a similar formula to IceShock, the BlueShoes will make it deal a whopping 90 more damage than the FloweryScarf otherwise would've which might make it the better pick depending on what's coming later. Maybe the right choice really is Hat/Knife/Shoes (rip GreenApron)
>>4080624what would happen if a lightner is petrified inside of a darkner. if that even could happen
>>4080642btw if you use absorbaxe you also get to heal susie up a bit, which means that in a fight with only one enemy, she should be the one attacking
>>4080644the lightner is trapped inside the darkner statue until the dark fountain is sealed
>>4080642Basically the main goal is to deal 51% of an enemies' HP in one attack, which one regular enemies in Chapter 5 requires 36 ATI will say you should never fear attacking enemies, it is impossible to accidentally do it as long as you don't have two people with maxed out AT attacking the same enemy. Also if you want, Rude Buster is a very safe way to take a healthy enemy into the tired state. If you have the TP for it, you can use Rude Buster and then Ralsei's pacify. Spells will always go in character order, it's just that we have to work around the fact that pacify spells happen before you get to use the standard fight commandFrom what I've seen, AT is basically worthless. Outside of boss fights or trying to hit the pacify threshold, it will almost never make a difference between how easily you can deal with enemies. That's another reason why I might think the Shoes are better. Even with the best AT-boosting equipment right now and the theoretical fixed FloweryScarf, Ralsei still cannot hit the 51% threshold because his AT and the Scarf's AT are simply too low
>>4080644If they're determined enough they can break through it
>>4080650>Spells will always go in character orderReally ticks me off when I want to Heal Prayer before ending a fight
>>4080650>I will say you should never fear attacking enemies, it is impossible to accidentally do it as long as you don't have two people with maxed out AT attacking the same enemy.people are still paranoid over the toriel fight
>Yellow holding mock execution trials with plushes but Flowery only ever gives him plush Ralseis to play withWhat did they mean by this
>>4080609We have very limited actual info about it.I've seen two darkners turn to stone in non-native dark worlds (I guess you could count Starwalker's statue as him petrifying that one time but not the other times). It was only consistent for Lancer.I've seen darkners who are supposedly native (at the very least spawned in them and weren't brought there by us) to the dark world turn to stone in them and other supposed non-natives outliving them.I've seen darkners spawn as statues in a dark world created on top of their original dark world and I've also seen the opposite effect, darkners that were statues in their original dark worlds became alive in another one made like five minutes after their original was closed.I've never see Ralsei, a self-proclaimed darkner, turn to stone. Lancer is also "a prince from the dark" and he gets petrified normally.I've never seen the Castle Town fountain up close and I don't know what exactly is different about it. I don't know who and when made it. I don't know what power exactly makes it special and whether or not it can be replicated. Ralsei is too biased and too quiet about it, and the rest of our information about dark worlds comes from fucking Queen who didn't know shit.
>>4080605It's more likely that Deltarune is the fake video game world rather than Undertale.
>>4080666i feel like that would take away from it's message, and also render toby's autism about the lightners a moot point as they're turbo vidya characters instead of just regular ones
There are no laws against flowers, Batman.
>>4080668Better than taking away from UT's message
>>4080370The top comment says>I think for the "fun chapter" thing to have worked for me I'd have needed Susie to be a lot more obviously masking and pretending to not care about what happened at the intense chapter 4 cliffhangerThat's exactly right. I'd expect to see her be a bit more erratic, freaking out just a little bit. Trying to pretend like nothing's wrong and being devastated when despite how she tried to hide from her worries in her escapism world, the real world is crashing down on her when Asgore gets kidnapped.I've been replaying chapter 4 and she seems really serious about stopping the Knight there, but then that all disappears the next chapter
>>4080628plus the realization that throwing himself into the case of THAT HORRIBLE DAY was also a form of escapism and in his waking moments it mostly tore his family apart by turning him into a stalker
>>4080669the flowers are canonically older than Deltarune Asriel, thus, plapping the flowers is entirely legal
>>4080670ut is a separate universe, and toby has said that nothing in dr will affect ut
>>4080669but there's already a figurine built for hotgluing
>>4080615This but unironicallyWould probably have to wait until Deltarune's finished but I have no doubt it will happen
>>4080674Well regardless DR is more built around the sim theory since it's about breaking through the programming to achieve a better outcome. It's basically Gameoverse as a game right down to recruiting other worlds' characters.
>>4080615>swordfightergive us susie instead
>>4080615Ralsei or Susie at best, no one except self inserters give a shit about Kris.
>>4080615toby has autism about the lightners it will probably be ralsei or spamton
I'm the original Starwalker. Ask me anything.
>>4080685His autism is because he's worried you'll come to hate Kris/Noelle/Susie for something they'll do later. Once their treachery gets revealed it'd probably be fineSans has merch after all and he's a lightner
>>4080690Sans is an alien.
>>4080687Do you follow us in WR?
>>4080691When ur gf leaves you for your gf
>>4080690the ut characters don't count and i highly doubt toby could make kris do anything that would make people hate him at this point, people are too empathetic towards her at this point
>>4080690But already hate Susie for how she was written in chapter 5
>>4080285It can't be topped, it's perfect
>>4080691My full name? It's Susie Darkner
>>4080700>I'm already half darkner.
>>4080691I hope she dies.
>>4080702*doesDucking autocorrect
>>4080687How many stars have you walked.
Twitter is saying bad things about daddy Gaster again...
>>4080705Good, we're shattering him anyways in 7B.
>>4080694>>4080704These questions are pissing me off.
>>4080690Why would he think I'd hate Kris/Susie/Noelle but not Ralsei?
>>4080668Toby also said Undertale's world is as big as you want it to be, too.
>>4080691>See you tomor-ACK!!!
>>4080711How to get this ending?
>>4080713You get it by turning off the game.
>>4080685Anon don't say that because you are going to make me NEED Spamton in smash
>>4080716So every time I close the game Susie hangs herself?
>>4080719Great fit but bad first rep material
>>4080720Deltarune dies everytime you close the game.
>>4080724Cool
>>4080719Spamton is getting a costume at best.
Every copy of Deltarune is personalized but only if you buy the Ralsei plush
>>4080687will you kiss the tropical starwalker?
>>4080724Story doesn't act like it
>>4080744when you die, it is said that the world is filled with darkness, joke's always on them.
>tenna reveals plan details in sword board>kris is so pissed that they deal x3 damagedamn they are a salty bitch
>>4080642Wait I found I was a little wrong, you actually need 35 AT to tire enemies, so Kris needs +2 AT or Susie needs +1AT, so use the Spike Band for Kris or either the Frayed Bowtie or Gold Widow for Susie.Because of this, the AquaKnife gives Kris BARELY enough to hit the tired threshold if you give Kris the best AT-increasing items in the game, being the PowerBand and YellowHat, but it's pretty consistent if you do with how easy it is to hit the critThis won't work in the next chapter though unless Kris gets a large AT increase or we get equipment that gives better stats. The tired threshold for chapter 3 was 29 AT and chapter 4 was 32 AT, so we'll likely need 3 more AT by that pattern.Kris' AT has gone up by>2 AT between 1 and 2>2 AT between 2 and 3>3 AT between 3 and 4>0 AT between 4 and 5 (no one actually gains any bonus stats besides HP in this last chapter)It'd be nice if this was a viable strategy but I guess we'll see if we get the right stats for it to work out
>>4080653I'm paranoid over killing Temmie over and over on my low hp spare run attempt
>>4080701>* (You told Susie that was nuts.)
>>4080752wonder how many of each chapter's darkners have already dealt with kris or are in on his plan, tenna seemed willing to go with the plan mostly because it would get him some attention
>>4080766>the entire king fight was scripted
>>4080759>NIGGA THAT'S NUTS
>>4080766This game really is just a theme park for Susie while everyone else has secret TBA machinations going on in the background. I'm reminded of Shin Mazinger Z where every character except the protagonist and the bully guy had secret plans that kept activating each other's secret plans with varying levels of awareness of others' plans as they sprung up, it was pretty silly but at least the art style was god tier.
https://deltarune.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_MantleTrivia:>Noelle responds that the mantle is for “someone taller” while refusing to equip it despite being taller than Kris, giving some merit to some theories that the Shadow Mantle should be worn by Susie.Yeah I've literally never heard that theory in my life. Gotta love when people put in their headcanon like that>The Shadow Mantle was formerly thought by many to be used for the green soul as it was agreed upon in the community that the Chapter 3 secret boss would utilize the green soul, and the player would literally not be able to defend against the attacks without it, which is why Seam held it to be so important.I do remember that though. That would've been pretty cool
>>4080778If it's Kris's headband or some other item of theirs from when they were little, she could still mean them. She goes out of her way to mention Kris used to be taller than her in her blog.
>>4080778I had a "theory" (more like shot in the dark) that the shadow mantle requirement would be something like the secret boss refusing to fight you without it because of some random hang up.It's the sort of stuff that was followed on in a disappoitinngly straight forward way. It really just makes the fight a little easier.
>>4080770King definitely wasn't in any plans, nor was Queen. So far only Tenna and Seth were people who Kris made deals with.
>>4080783The only ones we know. Toby isn't shy about recontextualizing shit out of nowhere.
>>4080370This tranny made some pretty good arguments. It's probably the best critique of chapter 5, together with the brony.
>>4080778Theories based solely on the fact that Susie is the most practical wearer for the mantle since Rude Buster is the best attack against Knight.
>>4080770if king did recognize kris, he didn't carehis anger was directed at all lightners for being abandoned by that point i wonder what his reaction to noelle would be, considering that she's the one who tore him
Holy kino.
>>4080778use this wiki instead https://deltarune.wiki/w/Shadow_Mantleit sticks exclusively to in-game info.
>>4080783>So far only Tenna and Seth were people who Kris made deals with.we only know that about seth because she told us about it, there might be some other darkners in on it
>>4080793considering kris only made those two dark worlds, i'm less likely to believe that the other darkners would listen to kris
The game HAS to end with Kris sacrificing herself. It's the only ending that makes sense considering all her actions, as I don't see the other characters forgiving her otherwise.
>>4080795i dislike that because it would make me sad
>>4080791carapace like homestuck
>>4080795*himself*his*him
>>4080795Nigga every single villain turns into a fucking goofball who everyone forgives in this game. By the time everything is done Kris will cry and apologize, he will be forgiven, and then he will fully accept his role of being the dog in Susie and Noelle's dyke relationship.
>>4080795The end will be you, the player, sacrificing yourself in real life until Toby has enough souls to turn into a dog
Here's my two cents>We're lugging around 2 previous bosses because they're going to come out of pockets and we're going to have a fight with someone that pissed them off>Like, instead of Kris/Susie/Ralsei, our party is Jevil and Spamton
>>4080800>king is a seething salty bitch>queen wasnt truly evil>tenna wasnt truly evil>flowery was mostly just a jerk
Every single fan theory sucks.
>>4080800King's villainy was immediately retconned. Kris is portrayed as genuinely vile and I do not see that being walked back.
>>4080806my fan theory is not 'sucks'
>>4080807He isn't, he is way too buddy-buddy with the characters, it goes beyond the point of simply keeping up appearances. Kris likes Susie and Ralsei, the scene where he's angry about Monster Kid shit talking Susie and Kris hugging Ralsei making the Ralsei tea value go up means he genuinely empathizes with him. Kris does not want to hurt Susie and Ralsei, he just feels the need to follow this plan for reasons we aren't aware of. He is not a completely vile unrepentant villain.
>>4080807>Kris is portrayed as genuinely vile and I do not see that being walked back.???she's just in a shitty situation, like spamton
>>4080811Spamton is actually the closest example to a completely evil villain that isn't just a force of nature type thing like the Titan. Spamton straight up gloats about having you kill a bunch of darkners and then selling you the thorn ring so you can Snowgrave Berdly. That is by far one of the most evil things any character has done in the game so far.
>>4080810Kris went past the point of no return when Asgore got kidnapped. It would require a retarded "the people in the shelter are actually being protected!" twist to undo.
>>4080805This is why 1 and 4 are the highest rated, every other chapter is this Steven Universe shit where the bad guy was actually a good guy all along. Fucking cringe.
>>4080807>King's villainy was immediately retconnedking isn't repentant at all the entire time he's in a hamster cage
>>4080807It wasn't retconned, only him about to off Lancer was.
>>4080819even then it comes off as more he was trying to psychologically attack the party (bluffing)
>>4080814Kris being shown to care about Susie and Ralsei and having him let his father get kidnapped just so that he can be sacrificed and him showing 0 reaction to it does not make any sense. The plan does not involve Asgore getting killed.Look, I understand you're angry that niggers on twitter depict Kris as this completely innocent, faultless character, and the Soul(You) as being a complete piece of shit just for playing through the game, and you want Kris to be pure evil because that would make those people mad, but let's be serious for a second here, Kris is not shown as a heartless monster in the game.
>>4080818>>4080819it's clear that was done to sympathybait players into seeing him as redeemable, and it worked considering how many people back then decided to cocksuck him, "aww look he's not truly bad! he DIDN'T actually want to kill his son so he's all good! we wont acknowledge the fact that lancer was actually scared or that king was about to make lancer watch his own father murder his friends btw"
>>4080813I would argue he's evil even in the regular route
>>4080824king bluffing/it wasn't really gonna hurt lancer that badly doesn't mean it didn't scare the shit out of everybody involved
>>4080825yeah but people often brush off those cases as "he was desperate for freedom!!"
>>4080826yeah but susie barely makes a retort outside of the conveniently easy-to-debunk comment about lancer, they just brush the rest of his crimes under the rug (including other shit like imprisoning other darkners for retarded reasons like that one rudinn for not wanting to kill you) and hoped that enough people didn't remember chapter 1's events after waiting years for chapter 2
>>4080825spamton's super interesting in just being unrepentant evil no matter the route, at no point is he really anything but a self-interested jackass who feels jilted that he got the #1 spot and then the calls that made him a BIG SHOT dried up or even something worse than drying up, with tenna attesting that spamton got one last call that horrified him and he ran off before telling tenna his success secrethe 100% has the pinnochio complex (his motif song before getting his strings snapped even alludes to "being a real boy") and he's desperate to ascend to some kind of state of legitimate being in the light world, but it comes across like the #1 thing on his mind and his main motivation is that everything fell into place for him by luck and then it was snatched away one daywith all the newsletter stuff for noelle in the sweepstakes, spamton's light world existence as a spam e-mail, spamton apparently having enough consciousness even in the light world to give her a pipis as a modded/glitched pet in a game, FRIEND's possible existence as another modded/glitched cat petterz pet, and the fact that the game we're playing is some kind of middleware between the real world and deltarune's world through which the soul can act, it paints a very interesting story for spamton as a character and how digital a lot of the setting's evil is
>>4080830they don't brush any of that off at all, there's just no point dwelling on it when the aggressor's stuck in a hamster cage now
>>4080834orr the point of the scene was to retcon away any semblance of the king being evils
>>4080832damn, this makes dr sound like a really good vidya creepypasta
King was entirely justified just for the way that Susie hacks and cuts Lancer relentlessly minutes before they confront King
>>4080835considering king is not repentant for any of his actions and still vows the party's failure and/or demise (whichever comes first) in the future no i don't think the point of the scene was retconning anything but whether lancer would have actually died from being dropped
>>4080813He had no choice, Noelle and Kris were on the warpath killing everyone in their way.
>>4080835He wouldn't be in the cage if what he did was alright
>>4080832All of this stuff is why it's so easy to draw parallels between Spamton and a weird route player who wants to break free. This player doesn't want to get stuck with Kris and be forced to carry out what Kris had already planned even before the begging, they want to choose who they are, and they want their choices to matter, and they will get it no matter the cost. The player in this case is basically Spamton. You even have the whole "* LIVING IN A GODDAMN GARBAGE CAN???" thing with Kris throwing the soul into the trash can in chapter 5's normal route.
>>4080813i always thought it was fascinating with the hindsight of chapter 4, spamton neo was basically our first glimpse of a titan, with the enormous spamton attacks and the spawning miniatures of himself
>>4080842>they want to choose who they are, and they want their choices to matterWhich is funny because you unironically have more choices in the regular route, Weird locks you into very specific actions.
>>4080845Punishment Cage B is still a cage after all, even if it's one you might prefer over A.
>>4080843Eh seems a bit if a stretch
>>4080843It's not one to one but I see it, there are similarities for sure
>>4080370scary how he sounds like shayyanyway, still waiting that fennekin fox faggot to release his reviewI wonder if he had to rewrite everything after the newsletter
>>4080846Cage A has moss and the portal physics make more sense, fuck Bfags.
despite deltarune priding itself on being a realistic world with the characters being totally not fictional since toby is so autistic about making no merch for the lightners, he sure refuses to add any sort of reactivity, you open jevil's cage and leave? nothing happens! you try to take the key with you to another dark world? nothing happens! you try to take the loadeddisk with you to chapter 3? nothing happens! you avoid going back to castle town so that kris carries the computer room's stuff to their house? nothing happens! you wait for tenna to finish up board 3 by doing everything else first before susie suspects anything about tenna? nothing happens! you down your party members in flowery's fight so you can 1v1 flowery's ass without them healing flowery back up? they just get up and nothing! ever! HAPPENS! For fuck's sake, what happened to curiosity? toby used to add a gorillion little interactions just incase you tried anything in undertale or chapter 1 (such as backtracking to get dialogue from the NPCs after killing a boss in undertale, backtracking to do the white ribbon equip on ralsei thing with susie on the party, backtracking to seam's after open jevil's prison cell which actually has some special dialogue, etc.), what happened? why did toby fall so low?
>>4080841ralsei literally offers chaos king to be let out and he refuses to, it's clear that the retcons are intentionally making him seem good
>>4080803who could jevil have beef with?
>>4080850Fuck the moss, I want my gray homunculus back, I don't wanna be stuck with this Simpsons reject looking faggot.
>>4080845after snowgraving berdly, you aren't as locked onto specific choices anymore, outside of the noelle scenes, you're free to do whatever you want
>>4080847>>4080848my biggest thoughts behind it are>spamton brags about his defense in the weird route and becomes nigh-invincible, possible parallel to the save point face shield>spawns lots of miniatures of himself through pipis, some of which can be used for healing with that silly final fantasy angel spamton>serves as an embodiment of the puppet element like a titan being an embodiment of dark>spamton himself is borderline mindless through his mania, even if he has a clear goal
>>4080853it's the opposite, everybody has beef with jevil
>>4080851This is all valid complaints, but there is a reason for why this stuff wasn't added, and it's basically that, if it were to be added, then the game would take until the mid 2040s to finish.
>>4080852king doesn't want out because he still thinks you're a huge fucking faggot for trying to extend him kindness
>>4080851Felt some whiplash going back to DR from UTY since the latter has shitloads of extra dialogue, in DR most characters only say one thing in whatever the current environment is. Also something that irks me about DR is you can't go back to the level in every chapter after you clear it, 1 starts you before the final battle at least but it's lame that they don't all do it.
>>4080853Literally the player>>4080856>save point faceFuark, that's a good catch
>>4080860and that's valid
what if only kris, susie and the knight can make fountains out of all of hometown's residents because they're the only ones with DETERMINATION>kris is a human (maybe)>susie is some kind of horrible monster hybrid that can bleed>the knight is some kind of fucked up amalagamate a la the true lab
>>4080858a delayed game is eventually good but a rushed game is forever bad or whatever the saying was>>4080861True. technically you can do the same for chapter 2 if you don't save in castle town and just keep the save file on queen's castle
>>4080864erm, noelle? also berdly
>>4080864I'm pretty sure the monsters not bleeding thing is just gonna be an undertale monster thing. Sans also bleeds
>>4080865Yeah but then it isn't a clear file lol
>>4080867we don't see either of them making a fountain, queen suspects lightners in general can do it but she's kind of vibing her way through chapter 2 and stops her whole plan the instant she learns fountains inside fountains are gonna be bad>>4080868noelle and the apartment kid being confused about blood are what makes me think monsters don't work by different rules than undertale, on top of burial practices of dust in a grave with a cherished item being the same as undertale
>>4080869actually it is a cleared file, as long as you reach the credits, you get the completion data anyways, even if you never even saved once
>>4080870>we don't see either of them making a fountainyou must have dementia because ralsei literally sperged out over berdly almost making a dark fountain
>>4080871See this is what's annoying with all these unspoken rules about shit like this, thanks for the tip though.
>>4080872right but we don't see him *do it* and ralsei likes to wait for weird moments to deliver critical information
>>4080874Ralsei wouldnt act so exasperated and shit to the point of telling berdly off 50 times before explaining, if he planned to explain it he would've simply done so, "no you can't because so-and-so", boom
>>4080878ralsei got torqued by a flower existing in his general proximity
>>4080879the flower cheats
>>4080879different situation
>>4080872Ralsei is a sperg in general. The only reason we also assume that non-Lightners can't make a fountain is because we haven't seen anyone try. Aside from the Knight obviously.
>>4080891if that was true wouldn't queen try? or wouldn't king try? or wouldn't the titan try to reproduce fountains like that?
>>4080891Knight is a reverse lightner, that's why its face turns upside down to laugh.
>>4080893No because they all have a secret plan that they hint at that Kris also knows that Ralsei knows and Susie might know now but you don't know it and it will be revealed in chapter 4D.
>>4080895i don't think ralsei's in on the plan as such but i do think asriel might be in on it in the meanwhile
>>4080895ralsei might be in on it but it doesnt mean the others are
>>4080891>>4080893my take one that is that darkners are soulless, and as such they can't hold determination. the fountain's determination shaped the dark world itself but all the individual darkners just don't possess it and thus can't open more fountainson the topic of titans, I think they can reproduce as seen with the titan spawns literally emerging from the darkness in chapter 4, we just didn't get to see if the titan that was summoned wouldn't make more was because it was still an infantmy headcanon is that a soul is what a fountain uses to determine what is and isn't a lightner, why spamton wanted a soul so badly, and why kris "can't" enter the dark world without it. without a soul, the fountain would likely consider him an object and thus turn him into a darkner (similar to plantners but maybe even stronger, maybe even a knight-like entity)
>>4080898Kris is a nobody, he grew a heart which is called a soul but a soul is actually something else and now there's time travel
>>4080903But if Kris is a nobody, who was his somebody?
>>4080904Frisk, obviously.
>>4080724Adding "Banjo Kazooie" to the list of games Toby has ripped off
>>4080907oneshot is the one that comes to mind first since BK just shows the game over screen but not really "kill" the charactersand oneshot is full of metashit and did come close to the "another game doing something similar" tweet that toby made
>>4080904need to see kris with oathkeeper & oblivion now
>>4080912One-shot has the characters actually like the player
>>4080914to be fair, it's a different dynamic, you're not possessing the cat, it's moreso her just deciding to listen to you and could always not listen if she didn't like your commands.i wonder how deltarune would be like if that was the dynamic that toby went with instead
>>4080916>could always not listen if she didn't like your commands.You mean exactly like a certain blue brat does?
>>4080914I love remembering that Deltarune is one of the only meta games (that I am aware of) that actively spits in the player's eye as its default, while most other games treat them like a genuine guardian angel or something to look to for guidance and help unless they are directly doing horrible shit that would deserve a spit in the eyeLike if Kris was in a room with Niko and the Batter and tried fucking with the soul, both of them would step in and tell him to knock it off
>>4080917yeah but unlike kris she doesn't actually disobey you due to how nice she is, it's simply a thing stated in the game
>>4080918i wonder what complex toby has with wanting the characters to guilt trip (you) about even existing what game mindbroke him to be obsessed with the concept? he's been trying to do it since halloween hack at least
>>4080913>it's just Kris with a black knife and a white knife>everyone thinks its a Fate reference instead
>>4080920>what game mindbroke him to be obsessed with the concept?MOON, the game that literally turns your usual RPG protag/player into the villain and the game he ripped off the concept of LOVE from
>>4080920The time Andrew hussie sodomized him in his basement.
>>4080920back then was probably him just being edgy and subversive for the sake of it (emo stage things), i would take the halloween hack's "lessons" with a grain of salt considering how comically edgy it getsafter that through it might be just a masochistic thing, him not growing out of his emo stage, or him thinking about how the player must be ackstually so comically evil from an in-universe pov and thus deciding to super focus on that shit and be le ebic subversion master or some shit
Toby is going to rip of the "Party member prays directly to The Player for help" bit from EarthBound, that's a given, but if he gives us the option of directly ignoring said prayers I'll accept it
>>4080918That would mostly be because your degree of control over Kris seems more clumsy and one-sided than it is for either of them. And also because he had some specific ideas of what we'd try to do before he let us in. Toby is really big on characters having specific perspectives that aren't necessarily right or even justified but usually make sense in the moment.
>>4080856>spamton brags about his defense in the weird route and becomes nigh-invincible, possible parallel to the save point face shieldI think that's a parallel to the regeneration phase, when the titan becomes invincible after covering itself with its wings. The check description in this phase even mention they can be hurt with a fatal spell.
>>4080913Susie would fucking rock the Replica Riku look too
>>4080920>wanting the characters to guilt trip (you) about even existingKris and Ralsei's attitude about you is because they were poisoned against you before you arrived. The game doesn't need to play sad music every time it happens for you to understand that it isn't necessarily meant to be seen as fair treatment, does it? Really?The intent comes across as a combination of the characters showing a reasonable degree of caution to display around someone to whom they are literal information, and them bracing themselves for some specific thing you're probably foretold to do.
Who the fuck is going to be the final boss?
>>4080941Normal route wont have one
>>4080928he already did in ch2 with the weird spamton fight
>>4080944You're right actually
>>4080944I dont remember Noelle being the player character
>>4080941Angel's Heaven. Prophecy doesn't mention beating Knight as a major part of its events, but it DOES mention stopping Angel's Heaven to banish it, and The Roaring is too utterly impossible to stop because that's just Titan Spam, so it'd either be an Asriel-tier power trip or a slog of nonstop "grind TP to UNLEASH and then slam dunk SOUL into the Titan to seal it like a fountain, repeat ad nauseum".
>>4080937It can't do that for 5 chapters and 8 years though
>>4080951>power tripWhere you just sit there and wait for the fight to solve itself
>Kris relates to Spamton more than anyone>Spamton is the most evil character in the gameKris is evil.
>>4080937>The game doesn't need to play sad music every time it happens for you to understand that it isn't necessarily meant to be seen as fair treatment, does it? Really?No, but do it for long enough and it stops mattering how fair or unfair its supposed to be, the author is still doing it anyway. Besides, how are we supposed to clear up the issue with the characters without running into that exact same problem? Literally EVERYONE who could speak for us is poisoned against us. Not a single person would be in our corner. We'd have to come out ourselves and have an entire monologue directly stating how we arent the bad guy. And we dont even have time to rest on that new understanding after the fact because we only have 2 chapters left, and one of them definitely isnt tackling this so its a single chapter to solve this issue
>>4080960Who said the issue is supposed to be solved? Just because it's unfair doesn't mean it's meant to be fixed. This is the story of a world that knows exactly what it entails to have a player, right down to the part where they can effectively cease to exist just because they bore it. It's a tragedy that you can't really say you'll fix the worst parts of that deal, no matter what your intent is.
>>4080963>Who said the issue is supposed to be solved?The guy holding the controller that everyone's lives are fucking tied to, if you wont stop disrespecting me then I have no reason to stick around, fix your own problems if you're so hellbent on biting the hand that feeds youHow dare I expect an injustice to be righted by the end of my journey, right?
>>4080965THIS ARGUMENT HAS BEEN HAD REPEATEDLY AND WE HAVE BECOME EXCEEDINGLY EFFICIENT AT IT
>>4080966BECAUASE THE ARGUEMENT ACTUALLY HAS TO END IN OUR FAVORTAKE YOUR SPEC OPS THE LINE AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS
>>4080965FINISH YOUR MOD YOU AUTISTIC FAGGOT
That's it, im going back in time to stop MOON from being made. This timeline has been doomed by it
>>4080967NEITHER UNDERTALE NOR DELTARUNE IS SPEC OPS THE LINE
>>4080963>>4080966if they won't respect us and only pat each other in the back at the end of it all without a single good word in for us, then, heh, it's only fair to erase file 1 and continue with file 2...
>>4080970DELTARUNE IS GETTING PRETTY CLOSE
>>4080965>How dare I expect an injustice to be righted by the end of my journey, right?literally yeah. I'm not here to see an "injustice righted". I'm here to figure out what the FUCK is up with this town, the dark worlds, and the prophecy. It doesn't matter if the characters are "disrespectful", I'll get my goal regardless.
>>4080968Still not CoL, at this point you need a new name for everyone who shares his view, but for that you'd need to accept its more than one person who disagrees with you
>>4080972Not even remotely.
>>4080973The game doesnt let you figure out any of that.
>>4080976It will by the end. And that's fine. I've played plenty of games where you don't really know what's going on in the setting until the end.
>>4080973>>4080976The game not letting you solve that mystery is part of it's disrespect, you have to solve one problem to solve the other
>>4080977It makes everything before that pointless. Especially if you can literally start the game at the last chapter.
>>4080978The game will let me solve that mystery.>>4080979I don't understand how that would be the case. The default file is way worse than any of mine already and the gap can only grow with each chapter.
>>4080980Game doesn't even let you open doors lol
>>4080980>The game will let me solve that mystery.heheh yeah sure buddy, because its been holding the door open for you so much already right?
>>4080982>>4080983>it didn't let me unmask the knight in the middle of the story so it will somehow withhold basic information about how the setting functions from you
>>4080985>it will somehow withhold basic information about how the setting functions from youYES. Its literally been doing that this whole time, out of spite for the player from the cast. If you want to solve one of these problems, you need to solve the other. You are not solving this game without its cooperation
>>4080985blah blah blah the story daring to have a structure and not telling me everything at the start means it is disrespecting and spiting me and i am extremely intelligent and not reddit incarnate
>>4080992Not telling you anything until the end for almost a decade is a bad structure.
>>4080974The reason people compare you to CoL is because CoL has completely and utterly retarded and childish expectations for what a game is supposed to be and seethes when its not the case, and was made fun of by people in these threads because of it. You also have extremely retarded and childish expectations for what a game is supposed to be and seethe when its not the case, and you are being made fun of for it.
grahh i dont care about the moralfag soul kris shit, toby fox, let me murder the roaring knight in a god of wars boss fight style and my life is yours!!
I am here on a mission.
>>4081003Hi Batter, how's the wife and kid?
You'd think the Batter would wear a blindfold considering he always closes his eyes.
Can a Batter Boy and a Kris Girl ever be together in this world...?
>>4080920>>4080927it's pretty much just the halloween hack again, he wants to be "subversive" and since every game has the player be the big good, in his, the player is the "big bad interfering with the wholesome lesbians instead and should be taught a lesson"just read that postmortem he did on the halloween hack and you'll understand it
>>4081010Maybe he shouldn't put the lesbians in the game, then.
>>4081010Maybe he should've written the lesbian relationship to be less contrived and flavorless.
>>4080920Nothing, I think writers just think this kind of storyline about commentary on how games are messed up because you kill thousands of mobs are genius.So I guess what mindbroke him was the general need for validation that every writer has.
>>4081004
>>4081015>this kind of storyline about commentary on how games are messed up because you kill thousands of mobsWhat does this have to do with Undertale or Deltarune?
>>4081019Is this a serious question
>>4081014It's worse than flavorless, it made it so the reason Susie threatened to murder Kris is because she wanted doe pussy. That's disgusting.
>>4081019undertale is a direct subversion of that by making every enemy a npc that has lives outside the battle and calling you evil for killing themdeltarune instead is about how much control the player has over a character's life to the point where it is a puppet type of thingpretty much all toby fox's works are him looking at old NES/SNES rpgs when he was a kid and taking it literally, like the meaning of the acronyms and why monsters dust on death (cuz old games liked to use that fading effect when enemies died)
>>4081022Its the whole reason Susie's character has completely fallen apart really. Her refusing to go hang at the lake with Kris after having one lesbian make out sesh there when (if youve allowed it) her and Kris have spent literally every day together there since they became friends save for the first boils my blood
>>4081024Undertale doesn't call you evil for killing NPCs. The characters get upset when you kill their neighbors, friends, and loved ones.Deltarune, likewise, doesn't call you evil for anything you do to the characters, even if you're in control. The characters are upset with your actions, because they don't know the degree to which all your options are scripted, just like theirs.Anyone who's been playing games their whole life wouldn't be retarded enough to suddenly believe they're evil for having killed characters in a game where that's simply how you progress.
>>4081019>EXP/LOVE and Sans Judgement is about how killing thousands of enemies to gain EXP is insane>Sans rant on genocide about how EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE RESET EVENTUALLY SO IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, along with Asriel's PLEASE JUST CLOSE THE GAME AND LET US HAVE A HAPPY ENDING, is about how the player can save/load and that resets the entire game world to a previous state>There's probably more, but I forgot>>4081029This post in itself is kind of funny because one of the biggest reasons this kind of story isn't well liked is because it really comes across as saying the player is evil. But now that its being explained, anon thinks the one explaining it is the one saying that the player is evil.
>>4081031>>There's probably more, but I forgotI'll add onto your point, if you load the game while its in a completed True Pacifist state, the file select has eerie music thats iirc otherwise only ever heard in genocide, because it considers the mere act of you coming back to be something horrible
>>4081031>EXP/LOVE and Sans Judgement is about how killing thousands of enemies to gain EXP is insaneEXP/LOVE is a device that ties the in-universe results of the player's more "videogamey" actions, like grinding, to what sort of effects it would have on the player character. It's not meant as a condemnation of the act of gaining experience.>Sans rant on genocideIs his way of processing the truth of this world. Lots of Undertale's appeal is the different responses of fictional characters brushing up against the limits of their reality.>Asriel's PLEASE JUST CLOSE THE GAME AND LET US HAVE A HAPPY ENDINGSee the above.>but what did Toby mean by having these characters say this?Can't say for sure, but it definitely wasn't "stop playing videogames or you're a bad person".>it really comes across as saying the player is evil.It really doesn't.>>4081033>because it considers the mere act of you coming back to be something horribleIt's quiet. Because everyone left.
>>4081022>it made it so the reason Susie threatened to murder Kris is because she wanted doe pussy. That's disgusting.wait hold on, where was this mentioned?
>>4081035You might be autistic and not the good kind.
>>4081035>It's quietNo, then it'd be silent. I cant really get this across in text but its literally genocide "But nobody came" style music, it has the occasional "bwoomp... ... ... ... bweeemp...." thing going on. It's clearly trying to evoke the idea that you are doing a very horrible thing just by still being there even without reseting
>>4081029>The characters get upset when you kill their neighbors, friends, and loved ones.translation:>The characters get butthurt when you defend yourself after their neighbours, friends, and loved ones assault you in an alleyway with the desire of going up to the surface to kill YOUR neighbours, friends, loved ones and everybody in the surface, instead of lying down and letting them exterminate humanity like a cuck
>>4081038I've heard it. It's big and empty, because the underground is now large and empty in the wake of the barrier breaking. There is a little bit of threat because you can undo that, but the game doesn't tell you you're evil for doing it, all it does is acknowledge that the characters wouldn't appreciate it. If they could know.>It's clearly trying to evoke the idea that you are doing a very horrible thing just by still being there even without resetingNope. If you're still enjoying yourself, Undertale endorses you continuing to play. The only point at which Undertale wants you to stop is when you're no longer enjoying what you have to look forward to. Whether that's grinding out neutral ending variants, genocide, or pacifist doesn't really matter.
>>4081039Come on, you're not really doing it because of that. You're doing it because you can.
>>4081039>the characters care more about the wellbeing of the people in their immediate lives than about the abstract idea of being free from the underground>but that's NOT ALLOWED because they're being EVILThe game is fine with self defense.
>>4081041Anon you dont get to decide what other people's motives are just because they dismantle your entire argument, we're not liars saying anything to one up you
>CoL has ensnared more people
>>4081043Bringing out "self defense" in a thread full of people who have nominally played the game is certainly a bold choice. You know the game doesn't have any beef with self defense. It only questions the validity of that argument if you're on your second run or beyond, when you've already learned you're canonically a time god and nothing can ever really touch you.
>>4081043The only time monsters get really mad at you (and I mean everyone) is when you're doing a genocide run and hunt down literally everyone.You're not doing it because of some "self-defense of humanity" because Undyne in her dialogue pretty clearly states you won't stop at just killing every monster but you'll go on to kill humanity too.
>>4081046Undyne doesnt get to decide my motives either
>>4081040>If you're still enjoying yourself, Undertale endorses you continuing to playWhen? That's now how I remember Asriel's dialog.
>>4081047You don't get to the genocide route through self defense.
>>4081039fun fact, there's at least 40 core mercenaries in the core since you can grind out the kill count in there, or maybe 200 core mercenaries, if you believe that there's at least 40 of each enemy species in the core because you could theorically kill 40 final froggits or 40 whimsalots or 40 astigmatisms or etc., all of them were explicitly hired by mettaton with the purpose of killing you and taking your soul (so much for being made of love and kindness, huh?), and in a neutral run, if you kill at least 10 monsters, the monsters willingly overthrow Toriel after she says they should treat humans kindly and turn Undyne into an extremist queen that really wants to exterminate humanity, of course, the moral issue with this is simple, you'll be surrounded by 200 bloodthirsty fuckers, and if you defend yourself and kill 10 of them (or 9 of them + muffet since she's also evil), they automatically drop all pretenses and go full in on the super racist kill all humans shit, "ohh nooo, my mercenary son took up a job to murder a 10 years old human child with a stick and got killed in response, how could that child do this!? we should overthrow the peaceful queen and have the royal guard leader declare super war against humanity!!" sure ma'am you totally are in the right side of history (not)
>>4081049Nor do you get it through killing humans
>>4081041i'm doing it because monsters would exterminate humanity if left unchecked, you don't get to complain when the monsters' morals are so wack that undyne will feel "betrayed" if you defend yourself against muffet or even one of the mercenaries and have hundreds of monsters lining up to kill you unless you figuratively suck them off for Mercy
>>4081054So you exterminate Monster Kind because? You're still mercilessly hunting down monsters, making you no better than ASGORE. You're still a genocidal monster no matter how many shitty justifications you keep saying are true.
>>4081036when you hang out with susie at the onsenshe mentions that she thought kris and noelle were a thing (despite her giving zero indication she knew they were close beforehand) and that she was jealous it's even more pathetic than the prior assumed reason, which was that she was jealous that toriel was kris' mother
>>4081054Chara destroys the world at the end of the genocide route, killing every human and surviving monster. So this a moot point
>>4081048I got that from a combination of what Asriel says and his actual arc as Flowey. He implores you to leave because it'll give them "their happy ending", but he and you both know the game itself doesn't go past the ending no matter what. He's imploring you not to put yourself through what he was forced through.But the request to leave it there is predicated on the assumption that any further play would be for the sake of "not quitting yet". Given you can only get true pacifist after at least a neutral run and some running around, it's not a bad assumption, but I admit it's slightly flawed. If you've still got specific goals, and you aren't making yourself hate the game yet, there's nothing wrong with continuing. The true reset means nobody will remember it anyway.
>>4081056Doesn't she say this on Aborted Weird though?
>>4081055the monsters i exterminate are merely in the wrong, papyrus is an understandable and empathetic guy so he stays, Undyne can go fuck herself, Muffet is comically evil even towards other monsters, Mettaton hired hundreds against you, and considering the king mettaton ending, he isn't any better. all it takes for monsterkind to exterminate 8 billion humans, billions of children, billions of women and defenseless old people, is merely a dickhead monster getting their grubby hands on a few human souls, a few dozen kills is nothing compared to the super genocidal shitstorm that would ensue if undertale's monsters got their way, no matter how you spin it, monsterkind is on the wrong side of history.
>>4081044>I understand why /utg/ took so long to attract a new giga schizo. The previous one... CoL. His brain damage was unparalleled. However, his presence... was cut short.>One day, his X posts were found, and... well, I needn't gossip. After all, it's rude to talk about someone who's listening. https://youtu.be/bk0Pkj7wSPg
>>4081057good thing i never said anything about the geno route and only keep bringing up the neutral route then, papyrus and monster kid are some of the good ones.
>>4081061Oh nevermind I just coincidentally only chose the options for it ON my weird run
>>4081061Yes, but it's still reflective of her thought process in Chapter 5. She got mindbroken by seeing Toriel act as a common drunkard bitch whore with that skeleton fucker Susie dislikes in Chapter 4, so now she can't be jealous of Kris having a good mother anymore since her perfect fantasy image never actually existed and she no longer wants anything to do with Toriel, period, because she sucks at confronting what makes her uncomfortable in the Light World since she can't just badass hero mode it.Coming back around to the scene in question, she doesn't want to look retarded by saying "sorry for beating you up and threatening to kill you dude, I was just jealous because you had a slightly less shit mother" nor look needlessly cruel by saying "yeah sorry, I kinda did that 'cuz I felt like it", so the first thing she latched onto was Kris and Noelle's connection, using THAT as her new internal justification for why that bullying happened, even if she only admits it to Kris on "Aborted" Chapter 5.
>>4081063Is CoL a Gaster? I thought he was a schizoboss.
It's 10+ years after Undertale and people continue to seethe about how they were "just doing self defense".How long will it continue?
>>4081068HOW MUCH LONGER NOWMYSELF DEFENSE
>>4081069>realknife.png appears next to save file
>>4081066funny part is Susie was genuinely going to apologize at the lockers but Kris kills the moment by asking her to pick him up again.
>>4081056oh, wow, haha, so susie feels envious, threatens to murder kris, told Kris that their mom wouldn't miss them if they were gone (as seen in the noelle blog from the sweepstakes), all because of doe pussy, and toby's decision is to freely hand over the doe pussy to susie with no strings attached while kris is too much of a cuck to fight back??? talk about shitty writing, in what world would any of that shit be alright?? at least people understand that yanderes are evil and fucked up, this shit is in another fucking level
>>4081078at the very least kris could take noelle back from susie instantly if she so chose especially considering the implications on the drowned route that noelle will still be unhappy with susie because nothing's changed
>>4081080I still don't expect anything to come out of drowned route, tobias will chicken out and all the changes will be just a single dialogue box
>>4081081>NOTHING. CHANGED
>>4081068Forever, because it will never be drilled into their heads that the ACTUAL point of Undertale is "if you had god powers that made it so you didn't experience pain when you died, and could get infinite redos of your life in this specific scenario, shouldn't you use that gift to do the right thing to achieve the happiest outcome for everyone involved, even if it's unreasonable or borderline insane to do so otherwise?"
>>4081083That's one of the points. There are probably others that would help defuse the nonsense if these types could be forced to understand it, I feel.
>>4081081Still betting on drown route being more of those "Nothing changed" moments where you get but a peek of what WOULD happen if toby cared about being cool, before the universe instantly resets itself so it never actually pays off. You'll get your moment where Noelle loses it because she learns it was never a dream when she sees castle town, and the scenario ends there because the universe just cut that part of the story in front of you and now it's back to neutral.Toby will consider this enough in the end
>>4081080>at the very least kris could take noelle back from susie instantly if she so chosetoby intentionally wrote kris to be too much of a cuck to ever try to fight back or set boundaries and you're treated as evil for doing so, "Kris is totally fine with susie slamming them for being envious of them and noelle!", "Kris is actually in love with susie so susie being such a dickhead to them is actually fine and played for laughs and any NPC who speaks out against susie for being a bitch is actually le wrong and evil and susie will "prove them wrong" by ebically owning them like she did with catti!!", hell, the fact that kris throws themselves into the water if you choose to say "don't get in between me and noelle" as if what you said is somehow bad or wrong is suspicious as fuck too, toby, mind telling us what's wrong with telling susie "you're infringing a huge boundary by jumping in and snatching noelle away because of your already established envy, and it'd be great if you didn't get in between noelle and me like that while pushing me away from my childhood best friend, it is toxic, shitty, and very much not a good thing to do to the very first actual friend you got to meet for more than 30 minutes every day ever since we went into a dark world together for the first time."? is it because it gets in the way of your dear little NTR dykes ship, toby? disgusting.
>>4081081I get that it's kind of the point that nothing changed but I'll be really shocked if Noelle doesn't tweak out at least a little bit.A perfect aborted lake route for me would be noelle just ripping snowgrave on the knight on her own. Biggest "oh fuck" but also funny moment possible
>>4081090>A perfect aborted lake route for me would be noelle just ripping snowgrave on the knight on her own.if this leads to the knight parrying the snowgrave against susie, i'd be happy foreverhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/gmGQ7XnuRLY
>>4081090why would noelle snowgrave herself? can she even do that?
Kris's self hatred is the reason why Kris can't make meaningful and lasting relationships anymore. She thinks she's undeserving of love and just hopes everyone will be better off without her once the promise is fulfilled.I suppose Kris's self hatred and inner violence is the reason she went to therapy in the first place.
the fact that noelle and kris' families are the only ones to have actual surnames while susie doesn't even get a surname leads me to believe even more that suselle is a red herring and that the game will have a timeskip scene of noelle inheriting the dreemurr surname after marrying kris
>>4081103of course susie has a last nameshe's susie gaster
>>4081089>is it because it gets in the way of your dear little NTR dykes ship, toby?Well, yeah. It's Toby's fetish, after all. He's willing to sacrifice the quality of the story just to write his favorite yuri fetish into the game. He doesn't give a shit that Suselle doesn't make any fucking sense, or that Susie talked to Noelle just three days ago. Toby doesn't care about quality, he just wants that dogshit yuri ship to be in the game.
>>4081103What level of copium overdose is this.
>>4081094>SheYou're no better than Toby. All Yurifags should be put down.
>>4081082>>4081086>>4081090Toby really figured out the winning play huh? Just make a game where "your choices don't matter" and you never have to bother with making plot variations because "it's supposed to suck"
>>4081103Toby was so lazy with the surnames that he just decided that everyone in Hometown refers to figures of authority by their first name.God forbid Toby have to invent a last name for Alphys, no we get Ms. Alphys
>>4081112>Play the route where your choices don't matter>Get mad your choices don't matter.Its all bait and switch anyway you are going to get softlocked if you did chapter 2's WR and stopped there, chapter 5's aborted will be edgy bad ending kino.
>>4081115WR barely changes either. Half of Chapter 2 and having 7B isn't enough
>>4081114no no, its a mario situation. Her name is Alphys Alphys
If there's a chance to kill Susie, I'll take it in a heartbeat. I'm so sick of that stupid bitch.
>>4081121The only correct way to play these games is by having this mindset with every character. If you didnt sit down and wait for the suicide laser to fire, you arent the target audience for this game and need to adjust or leave
>>4081111Mind broken.
What if the Side B Soul is the evil entity behind what happened THAT DAY.
>>4081128...I mean, that'd be consistent with Undertale. Where (You) existed in the story before the game started and are the entire reason the conflict of the game existsI fucking hate you for making me realize this is a genuine possiblity
>>4081115You don't know if WR lets your choices matter either. Everything we have is pure speculation so far.
>>4081124I've learned that you can't expect anything good from yurifags. They ruin everything. Deltarune is a prime example of this.
>>4081129Remember, SOUL does things without your input, and Kris has been abusing it since before you first enter his life when he wakes up at Chapter 1, implying it's been an asshole since before you got involved.It's yet another Frisk/Chara situation where you're vaguely playing as both, but when the narrative needs them to act independent, or divide from (You) to stand as their own character, they will do so.
>>4081129My idea was that trying to continue a Chapter 6 file from 5B would have a section where the Side B Soul larps as Giygas and causes the events of that day.Meanwhile while you play normal Chapter 6 you'll get a flashback where you save little Kris from a weird Red entity during THAT DAY.
>>4081135That's not impossible, and it would explain why kris seems to fucking hate your ass no matter the routeBut it would make Side B canon at the same timethat's already seemingly going to happen with the sans drawing thing but people aren't ready for that yet
>>4081114toriel refering to sans as mr. sans makes sense at least since, yknow, "comic sans"
>>4081138It's already implied Weird Route is a thing that can exist without (You) performing it seeing as how Mantle is corrupted into a Weird Route tutorial, and regardless of route, ERAM says it has work to do, which is likely related to whatever fuckery it gets up to in WR.
>>4081138It basically makes both routes canon, since THAT DAY would be the only time they enter in contact with each other.
>>4081110think anon, why would toby give the holiday surname to noelle but not bother giving one to the other main character known as susie?
>>4081123i actually did that because i was thinking "oh wait, well, it's his life and it'd be selfish to force him to unwillingly live in suffering since he clearly doesn't want to keep going" so i let yellow get shot by the punishment gun
>>4081142He's lazy
>>4081144wrong, he could've easily made the holiday family simply be referred as "Noelle, December, Rudy and Carol", and leave it at that, but no, he went out of his way to give em a surname
>>4081143do you think its possible for a darkner to kill itselfsounds like a dumb question but i feel like if it were true itd carry a lot of implications
>>4081147I was going to say yes... but would it have the ability to harm itself in the real world? Surely not right? So maybe they can't.That's a good question anon, making me think about shit
>>4080795It could also just end with Kris becoming the main villain instead rather than sacrificing himself.
>>4080941Angel Noelle.
>>4081103The cat family has a surname, too.
>>4081129>Where (You) existed in the story before the game started and are the entire reason the conflict of the game existsWhat? That doesn't happen in Undertale at all, what game did you play?
>>4081161Chara. The game asks you to name the Fallen Human under the pretense that you're naming "yourself", which was the original intention before everyone discovered the "true name". So when you do just that, and later start getting exposition dumped, "your" name comes up and you're left with the reality that "you" have been a key part of this world and actually set the main story into motion.
>>4081163Yeah, but Chara also is explicitly not (you) as well, so it isn't similar to the case proposed here of the SOUL causing THAT DAY. Chara having your name is just because they are technically your avatar and connection to this world.
>>4081168We aren't yet sure about the nature of the soul, though. It's acted independently of our input at times and seems to have its own agenda seeing as how we've been unable to predict which way the Weird Route is going, a route influenced heavily by the soul's actions.
>>4080941Kris
>>4081138>>4081141>kriselle knight has a real chance of happeningwell i'll be
>>4081128I like the idea, but at the same time it seems pretty unlikely, right?Actually, it depends on whether it's connected to Dess, but if it really involves (You), then at the very least the Dreemurrs and the Holidays are in on it? But if that's the case, then Noelle should directly connect the dots in Side B of Chapter 5. Or is she out of the loop?But then why does Asgore talk about it like it isn't a secret only he knows about? I mean, vagueposting like that still implies that Kris is at least somewhat in the know. Or maybe Asgore is precisely the only one who knows that (You) caused this tragic event, and that this terrible day isn't just the appearance of (You).
>>4081173At the bare minimum, Kris Dess and Asgore were involved in what happened THAT DAY, with Asgore knowing less about it compared to Kris. Maybe Noelle was there too, but she repressed her memory of the event.It's likely Kris was also too traumatized by the event to tell what happened, especially if the event involved two beings so far above even Gaster.
>>4081178I mean, yeah, that's why I find it very unlikely that terrible day is solely (You) entering their world. (Your) very existence could be related tho.
>>4081169If the soul is yet another entity I only expect it to be an extension of the Vessel since it's its soul, anything else is convoluted
Impregnating Kris.
https://youtu.be/F8tzOP2MDds
>>4081220This but Frisk and Chara.
>>4081168>Yeah, but Chara also is explicitly not (you) as wellToby has said multiple times that the canon name for Chara is actually your own, you're meant to be the same person. Think about it, its a twist on HERO, the average name for a DQ protag. Everyone talking about the games will use HERO (or sometimes the game's number) for convenience, but everyone know you're actually supposed to use your own name becuase (You) are the Hero.Chara is literally shorthand for Character, its not a real name its just like HERO. This is why the Frisk twist exists, (You) arent the one currently exploring the underground now, (You) were the first fallen human and filled their role in this story instead. Chara is You
>>4081232>Toby has said multiple times that the canon name for Chara is actually your own,No, he hasn't. Like, at all. He only said in a now deleted tweet that you should name the fallen human your own name as an advice, but then quickly followed up on saying only if you don't have any better ideas. Meanwhile the Chara name is both used in his concept art and promotional gameplay material, as well as merch nowadays. You can have whatever theory you like but it's still a fact Chara explicitly says they aren't (you) in genocide.
>>4081232The Chara that exists in the Undertale universe existed before you and is independent of you.The "Chara" you awaken in the genocide route that talks about being part of you is temporarily in sync with a part of you, not literally you.No game expects you to put your name in the protagonist slot specifically. It's normal, but not what they explicitly ask you to do.
Evil FemKris.
>>4081254>I've always thought I was just a boy who loved soft, pretty thingsWHY ARE THEY ATTACKING THIS?IS THIS NOT THE DESTRUCTION OF GENDER ROLES THEY SO HOPED FOR?IF LIKING CUTE AND SOFT SHIT MAKES YOU A GIRL THEN IS THAT NOT SAYING BARBIES ARE FOR GIRLS ONLY?I HATE THIS SHIT
>>4081254Disgusting
>>4081257>NOOOOOOOOO THIS DOESN'T FIT MY STRAWMANYou people are so boring.
It’s not everyday you see it but people making concepts for future chapters will always bring a smile to my face. Fans should keep making more darkner ocs i love to see it.
>>4081076well who wouldn't want to be picked up
>>4081272thank you anonI wish I knew how good we had before the current point
>/v/ thread isn't even remotely stealthy>attracted shitposters>still upWhat the fuck is happening?
>>4081272I love it when the trailers come out and people start making up mockups of what we see in them to fill in the blanks. Remember all those tenna designs when the switch borders got leaked? Or when everyone saw the petal feather and thought it was the white pen of hope? Can’t wait for chapter 6’s to drop.
>>4081254>objects dont have a genderthey do in latin based languages (and why tobias will never translate to those, as they also don't have gender neutral and unknown/plural just defaults to male)
>>4081254TERF Kris kino......
>>4081281https://www.youtube.com/@user-dr8fs9qy6dthis guy uploaded quite a few fake chapter 5 concept ideas that were so good people thought it was a real leakI wish we got this chapter 5 instead of the one we actually got
>>4081281That leak was crazy. And despite having the almost canon design on a plate, people still gave Tenna a snail shell.Picrel was decently close but you can still feel the "criminal gameshow host" mindset in it, for example.
>>4081277I mean, it’s not like they went extinct or anything. Friend inside me lived for another few years with the few mentions of “asgore’s favorite cowboy show” we got>>4081291I wouldn’t sweat it, the one we got was exactly like this. All of this is just stuff we already knew was gonna be in. I almost thought it was real too until I saw the shopkeeper and I was like “ Oh this is definitely fanmade”
>>4081292>you can still feel the "criminal gameshow host" mindset in it, for example.I feel like this was unironically part of why the next "schizos" were so much less schizo, Toby saw people would take anything they were given super literally and pulled back the rambling a bit.
>>4081291>noelle in the DWOnce again, these fan made takes are a window that reveal how much Toby has no damn clue what people want out of this game.
>>4081296*Toby doesn't care what people want out of this game
>>4081295Being good/satisfying is more important than being surprising/unpredictable, regardless of whatever BS Toby put on Gerson's mouth.And it's a shame how the foreshadowing has never been decent ever again. Even something simple like "the bluest flower" didn't have a decent payoff because I don't think Blue ever makes any remark about the mizzles.
>>4081297Likely true, but this still is a commercial product with a load of merch and hype building stuff.
>>4081275hey i mean you see the posts surrounding mine dude
>>4081296Well, to be fair, most "people" (lesbians, trans, etc) want Suselle to win so maybe it isn't a good idea to pay much attention to other people.Deltarune like it or not has a lot of woke stuff, and that attracts a lot of weirdos.
>>4081298Being good/satisfying is not a matter of "living up to" what fans imagined from your previous foreshadowing. Especially if they latch on to the word choice of a schizophrenic.
>>4081292People were really into the idea of him being this greedy mob boss, so many designs were these big smiling top heavy guys in suits. And since chess theory dictated that he was a ‘rook’ lots of them had parapets on their heads. Which was something that feels forced in hindsight. I like chess theory more when it’s about the antagonist’s presence throughout the chapter rather than literally embodying the piece they represent.
>>4081304Can't believe the game itself was written by a schizo, because you could assume Tenna was going to be a jerk simply by observing how King and even Queen were.
>>4081305Chess theory was weak since chapter 1, and it's the sort of thing that narrows the possibilities too much.Hard to believe Reverse UT is still holding up so strong.
>>4081298Spamton may have been biased but it isn’t like tenna was wholly innocent. That guy was treating his employees like crap. And about “the bluest flower” the reason I think it didn’t catch on too much was for two reasons. One, because we all knew they were going to parallel the six fallen humans and we already had so many interpretations of them through the years and two, the buzz around tenna was carried hard by the final shot of chapter 2 with the smiling tv and his connection to spamton and mike.
>>4081309>That guy was treating his employees like crapThat was an extremely small part of the chapter, compared to how much it was a constant topic in regards to Queen and King.
>>4081306I didn't think Tenna would be a jerk based on King and Queen. I thought Queen was tenuously a jerk at best, and mostly just opposed to the heroes.
>page 1>archivedNani?
>>4081313Force-killed a thread instead of deleting it.
>>4081308Reverse UT is still strong because deltarune is “undertale’s parallel story” but it’s wrong in how it expects the game to do this by doing it in a linear way. Chapter 5 is NOT snowdin. It’s not supposed to be mirroring snowdin, it’s supposed to be mirroring flowey, the six souls, mew mew, papyrus’s date, the don’t forget photo, the door that leads to snowdin is there but that’s it.
janny's mad
>>4081279Not anymore lol.
ok but who was the artist baka
>>4081317No, the strength of reverse UT is specifically the order. Yellow was your last new soul mode, now it's your first. Platforming is the blue soul mode to go with ch5's Snowdin, the orange soul mode is a twist addition that still plays off the same part of Undertale.
>>4081317>Chapter 5 is NOT snowdin.Anon...
>>4081321purple wasn't at the reverse spot>>4081317>>4081323reverse UT is more about the broad strokes anyway
>My thread got force archivedNyoooooooo
>>4081323Wait>Mewmew has a skirt>Floor is reflectiveDamn, I never realized...
>>4081321It’s wrong because there isn’t supposed to be an order. The chapters aren’t supposed to be 1-1 parallels to the areas you go to in undertale. Chapter 5 had a bunch of stuff from undertale but it’s not supposed to be snowdin because it’s not on a linear path from new home to the ruins.
>>4081323>green will never cook for you and then give you a nursing handjobwhy live?
>>4081328There is supposed to be an order. That's why it's called "reverse Undertale". The parts that don't fit exactly where they belong if you were using Undertale as a template are indeed general parallels to Undertale.
>>4081328Chapter 5 is supposed to be Snowdin and Flowery is the Papyrus.
>>4081323It isn’t. It has elements of it but it isn’t supposed to directly mirror snowdin by being a snow themed dark world. Reverse undertale had a good idea but the execution is not what Toby is going for.
>>4081324Purple is at the right spot if you look at the human equipments instead. It's Yellow, Green, Purple and Blue if you follow the reverse order of it.
>>4081336Chapter 6 is supposed to be snowdin.
>>4081337It's a mirror of Snowdin because it's a nature based Dark World and Snowdin is the only nature based area in Undertale.
>>4081337>isn’t supposed to directly mirror snowdin by being a snow themed dark worldOHHHHHH, now I understand your issue.The Reverse Undertale equivalent of Snowdin didn't have to be a snowy dark world. We aren't waiting for a snowy dark world to get our "real" parallels to the period of Undertale where you were in Snowdin. We just had our chapter of parallels to that portion of Undertale.
>>40813396 is the ruins.
>every shadow crystal boss revolves around shopkeepers and key to being able to fight the bossso that was the real patternfagging behind them?
>>4081345If we had analyzed this shit based on who's behind a counter we might've had a chance...
>>4081350What's even the point anymore, there are no shadow crystals left. Seam giving the pure crystal is borderline a given now.
>>4081339>>4081344Chapter 6 is going to be snowdin and the true lab (I:E the hospital)
>>4081345They also like laughing at YOU
>>4081355True Lab is Mantle, 6 will be ice palace aka the ruins.
>>4081355Chapter 6 is going to be Ruins.Chapter 7 will be us going beyond the framework of Undertale.>but where is true lab?Weird route.
>>4081240>He only said in a now deleted tweet that you should name the fallen human your own name as an advice, but then quickly followed up on saying only if you don't have any better ideasClassic Toby, immediately going back on his original vision the second he gets insecure about it. Nothing changed
>>4081361Or the fallen human being literally (you) wasn't his intent and he realized people would take it that way after giving this advice.
Name one secure dev
>>4081340Your Waterfall?
>>4081363Or he realized maybe he shouldnt spoil THE big twist of True Pacifist in a tweet and tried backpedaling
>>4081339>>4081344>>4081355>>40813606 will start off in snowdin town which will lead to either the ice palace (ruins) or the hospital (true lab)
>>4081369That doesn't spoil any of pacifist's twists.
>>4081277I believe this is undeniable proof that no matter how hard people defend it, the majority of the audience has lost hope in the story. Thats where all these predictions and ideas were birthed from. Hope that the story would do something they liked. Hope for the future and whats to come. When the Hope dried up, the Dreams went with it
>>4081377The dreams come in the form of imagining what the protagonists will undergo now.
>>4081366A cave, not a grand forest.
>>4081370Snowdin Town was the festival.
>>4081382The Dreams have become Nightmares. If we're not expecting outright disappointment, the only thing we're looking forward to is seeing it all fall apart
>>4081384Snowdin town is both the festival and the welcome party susie sets up.
>>4081383Caves are natural locations. It's also full of flowers.
>>4081377People are still hoping, anon. They’re hoping the characters have a happy end, they’re hoping that the knight is dess or Rudy or papyrus. They’re hoping that any of their theories will be proven or ships validated.
>>4081385I'm not expecting disappointment or rooting for the story to "fall apart", I think it would simply be following through for it to go the way I hope it will.
>>4081393A lot of areas in Undertale have flowers, but only one is a forest like 5 was.
>>4081404Chapter 5 wasn't a forest though. It has some trees but not in a forest-level density like Snowdin or the scarlet forest in chapter 1. It also had a lot of darker watery marshy areas that are much more like Waterfall than Snowdin.
>>4081418>really cool new location>barely used, instead we get card kingdom memberberriesI wanna hang myself
>>4081377Admittedly the reception has been far worse for 5 than I expected after playing, but the mainstream fandom is still mostly optimistic.People will only start tearing down the game outside of here once the ending comes out.
My prediction for chapter 6 is people's expectations for it will become so low from constant doomposting people will be utterly amazed and stunned by everything that happens in it.>HOLY SHIT..... TOBY FOX FOLLOWED UP ON THE THING......... HE SPENT 5 FUCKING CHAPTERS FORESHADOWING?????>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TOBY-SAMA IM SORRY FOR EVER DOUBTING YOUR GENIUS!!!
>>4081422If chapter 5 was a spiritual repeat of chapter 1 than does that mean chapter 6 is gonna be a spiritual repeat of chapter 2?
>>40814185 is literally the plant based Dark World, even that area is filled with nature. Plus Waterfall was 4.
>>4081438>noelle in the dark world>peak susie escapism>potential hospital themes probably, yeah
>>4081438>If chapter 5 was a spiritual repeat of chapter 1Not at all. It only had memberberries from card kingdom but the actual structure and tone was taken straight from 2.And 6 will probably take from chapter 4 instead.
>>4081418>Flowery suggests that flower kingdom isn't safeI genuinely thought this swamp are would have some kind of weed monsters around that even the other flowers stay clear of that you have to escape to reach the cliffs. Talk about wasted potential.
>>4081344Which makes 7 the surface world
>>4081173>He's 90 HP
>>4081382Yeah and we can only imagine since besides one titan fight, they haven't undergone anything in like 40 hours of content. And if this was all the game was supposed to be, that would be fine. If it was just silly dark world adventures, it's good for what it is, the issue is the game keeps communicating that something big will happen and if it never did that I think people would feel less disappointed by nothing happening until then
>>4081436One thing that 6 has going for is how there is ZERO set up for it besides "Noelle will show up" and "it will be more serious".We have no clue where the DW location will be, there are no hints connecting a potential darkner from there to previous chapters, there is no prophecy overtly tied to it, and so on.One thing remaining I don't see people touching on is the last few Kris piano songs that are yet to show up in the game:>last prophecy>prophecy>sevenfourSo maybe this will be the 74 chapter?
>>4081438Actually, wait a second...>Noelle is a party member for the chapter>The holiday mansion is almost entirely guaranteed as the chapter's dark world. (Noelle-centred, absolutely massive and filled with plot-important objects and has elements from every other possible dark world.)>Chapter 2's main villain is a tyrannical queen who is protective of Noelle>ERAM has an onscreen appearance through Queen's arcade machine (The arcade version of giga-queen has a mouth identical to ERAM's, and the arcade game is about having fun through violence.)>FRIEND has its first appearance in chapter 2, chapter 5 heavily builds up to chapter 6 having a FRIEND appearance and Noelle's computer has the copy of catpetterz which FRIEND comes from.>Tasque manager has a pack of hunting cats and owns a GALLERY>Spamton talks about A HEAVEN-PIERCING [[Workout-Ready Body]] [[Designed BY The Classics You've Come To Expect! (C)1997]] residing in the [Deep Abyss] of QUEEN's [Mansion].>The angel doll is located in the basement and has a ridiculous amount of vessel allegories>The basement also has a train track (akin to the Spamton NEO fight?) which leads to a suspiciously vessel sized pile of boxes.>The basement has further connection to the vessel via the depths, from smile.ogg playing.>The TwistedSwd is an extremely powerful weapon made of thorns, which causes the game to diverge paths.>Is said to fully establish the direction the game will take and cover the mysteries the game has set up.>Chapter 2 is the biggest lorefagging chapter in the game besides Chapter 3.
>>4081454According to gerson, its the final chapter before the author consumes himself... it was never finished...It might be something like: chapter 6 carries out the rest of the prophecy, and 7 is a aftermath.
>>4081394>They’re hoping the characters have a happy endFuck no, that's the most boring outcome.
>>4081456book 6 was finished, book 7 never was
>>4081455I feel like the Vessel is Chapter 7 material for both sides.
>>4081439>5 is literally the plant based Dark World"Plant-based" does not equal "Forest". Also, SNOWdin is SNOW based. You're ignoring that whole part of the setting to hyperfocus on the forest part that's only similar to 5's gardeny setting if you squint.>even that area is filled with natureAgain, "nature" encompasses more than just plants. A cave system with a river flowing through it is also part of nature.> Plus Waterfall was 4.Chapter 4 had a few locations that are kinda similar to Waterfall, yes. Chapter 5 does too. This is not a contradiction in any way.
>>4081454>>4081455Don't you guys get tired of coming up with convoluted theories that will never happen?
>>4081337And chapter 4 wasn't literally a swampy cave but it's very obviously the Waterfall of Deltarune
>>4081456>gerson was actually george rr martin all along
>>4081463Toby Fox RAPED you...
>>4081463Well I am tired, but it used to be fun back in the day we expected the foreshadowing to not be intentionally misleading and the game to actually stick to it's own rules and style.
>>4081468>I didn't even feel anything in my asslol
I feel like Rudy will survive Chapter 6.
what's gonna be the annoying intruding gameplay gimmick for 6?another entirely new game coded within deltarune or recycling the previous ones?
>>4081455And then chapter 7 is a spiritual repeat of chapter 3, and 7B of chapter 3's mantle. See, all makes sense.
>>4081147jackenstein could, and if the punishment gun is an actual pistol in the light world, then it wouldve killed yellow
>>4081468Why is this allowed? I bought a game expecting not to be raped yet in just 5 chapters he has gaped my asshole. Also something about RPGs.
Something I've never understood is why Asgore is considered such an attractive character in universe.Is Toby trying to tell us something?
>>4081147Mew Mew is literally killing herself trying to love you
>>4081470That's another thing, he keeps introducing new types of -ners and aside from Gerson they don't really hit that hard. Like the flowers also kind of bend the rules of darkners and lightners by being their own thing but they're so boring and annoying and the lore implications just straight up don't matter since the characters get resolved permanently in their own chapter. I think Toby just got bored of things only being lightners or darkners or something so he comes up with new snowflake -ners each chapter now.
https://youtu.be/tZYjkBam4YYThoughts?
>>4081493>Mew Mew is literally killing herselfGood, let me help.
>>4081487does that mean you can technically get an ending where Kris and Susie get fucking shot in the light world and die
>>4081494technically plantners were introduced in ch3 with the cactus but toby decided to do absolutely nothing with her, not even giving her an appearance
>>4081492hometown girls yearn for goat cock
>>4081497she didn't even do anything lol
>>4081501she means she looks wrong she's supposed to look like a reindeer, not a deer silly cow
>>4081496>55 minutesI'm fucking done with video essays. People forgot the art of brevity.
>>4081487If you let it fire everyone in the room gets oneshot except Yellow.
>>4081454There's the sword/knife in Jackenstein map for 6, if that means anything. It's also that replaces the character icon when you fight and is a poster in Dess's bedroom
>>4081507might be a katanaso, Carol boss?
>>4081461HOTland is the area that parallels Chapter 3 and yet nobody whined it wasn't paralleling that chapter despite 3 not having any extreme heat. You're being very pedantic at dismissing reverse ut theory without understanding it's about rhymes and parallelism and not being a 1 to 1 mirror.
>>4081497kek
>>4081492He has the powerlifter physique
>>4081499Yeah that was just a throwaway gag basically
>>4081503She let a psycho tranny wear her and try to murder me
>>4081501She's looking quite cervine this fine evening
>>4081470Toby doesn’t foreshadow things incorrectly just to laugh in your face when you’re wrong. That wasn’t what the mikes were about.
>>4081517lots of people wanna murder your ass tho
>>4081498why do you think that it instakills kris and susie? out of everything in the room?>>4081506gun recoil?
>>4081147That is an interesting question.But I'm going to say no, since we've seen that darkners don't die from having their HP reach 0.Although it is hard to judge since the only two characters who have been observed to permanently harm a darkner are Noelle and The Knight, but they don't even do it in the same way.Spamton gets killed but the puppet scarf still remains intact for you use, meanwhile for Jack and Tenna, it almost seems like they died in the dark world from being attacked in the light world.
>>4081506also, i know, but it's what i tried anyways
>>4081523falling from a great height can be done by any darkner and it killed jackenstein
>>4081515it still technically counts as foreshadowing, same with the 'half of a flower' photo
>>4081257>WHY ARE THEY ATTACKING THIS?>IS THIS NOT THE DESTRUCTION OF GENDER ROLES THEY SO HOPED FOR?most of them wanted it, it's just the trans side being loud and oppresive about it, it's why we must fight on the side of Femboy Ralsei, ralsei being trans would be the most devastating outcome for almost everyone
>>4081501
>>4081520And I try to kill them in response as well. Your point?>>4081521Because Krusie is weak, their bonds are withering like dying plants.
>>4081526It does, 5 is just such a nothing chapter that being foreshadowed amounts to as much as "oh yeah I guess that happened"
>>4081519
>>4081531you weren't talking about killing the ghost
FemKris is true because no other theory offers as much explanatory power. It's no coincidence that whenever people argue against it, they offer no alternatives. It's just:>"FemKris explains x, y, and z.">"Yeah, but the author wouldn't do that.">"What's the explanation for those things, then?">"Dunno."
Redpill me on the Mikes, all I know is Mike is Tenna's main assistant or something.
>>4081532yeahi think one of the big reasons why people care about the filler flowers is that they're outright told they're supposed to, not because of their characters and situation
>>4081533Guess what he’s holding.
>>4081534Unfortunately the ghost is inside and Mew Mew must make the ultimate sacrifice, it's dramatic and mature just like you eternally teenage season 2fags like.>>4081536>christianity must be true because it says "gawd did that" when science hasn't figured it out yet
>>4081537tenna's mike is apparently the same one who spamton was cool withthe other mikes are just larpers toby uses to dab on theoryfagging, they do not know who mike is
>>4081537Mike knew something bad would happen if Spamton accepted Tenna's deal and the moment Spamton ran away Mike disappeared too.Also it's implied the guy is still around since sometimes Tenna calls for Mike to do something and it happens even if the three Mikes aren't able to do it.
>>4081541The Mike trio feels like something that would be in the game regardless of what the fans thought.
>>4081539About tree fiddy?
>>4081539>sprite filename as boss3>huge picture of the guy who is know as the "flower king"
>>4081532The tranny critique of chapter 5 brought up good points. Toby is so obsessed with vagueposting that it ruined all drama chapter 5 was going for. Like, how are we supposed to sympathize with Asgore's plight when he doesn't even explain the incident that traumatized him? Can you imagine that happening in a normal story? The main antagonist is traumatized by his past and learns to let it go, but he never explains what that past event even was? It's comical.
>>4081545boss1 is a car dude
>>4081536Alright sureHere's the PROOF against Fem!Kris As we both know Toby is terrible at writing yuriSo how could Kriselle be well written if it were a covert yuri?
>>4081547boss1 wasn't about something that was yet to happenboss1 wasn't implying something many desired for the past 10 years
>>4081549This is why Toby is making you fight Asgore in 7B.
>>4081548Kriselle isn't well-written. Noelle is still obsessed with Susie even on the weird route. It's not meant to be a real romance, that's just the fan interpretation.
>>4081530I still have no idea what that /a/ schizo’s deal is
>>4081549get ready to seethe about Mantle in the future
>>4081553What? I don't think you're understanding me here.I spent all the year long wait feeling there was something fishy about the foreshadowing for 5. I was among the people saying the flower man was the flower and not Asgore, exactly because it was a Tricky Tony thing.Trust me, I'm never falling for this shit again. I'm not even expecting to see Noelle in 6 by this point.>MantleWell, it wouldn't be the first time genocide fans got cucked out of something they predicted/wanted lmao
>>4081551>Noelle is still obsessed with Susie even on the weird route.Holy retarded femkrisfag. See >>4078858 Noelle excitedly wrote Kris's name in the King and Queen game. In Chapter 4, Noelle invited Kris into her room and closed the curtains to kiss him. Susie was literally abandoned on the first floor.
>>4081558the flower man IS asgore, the lyrics in flowery's song are all about asgore while referring to him as flower man
>>4081515You can't just say that when half the theories are based on "throwaway gags". And the other half on Undertale parallels.
>>4081559Anon you're delusional. You're like the guy who thought a minor sprite difference proved that Noelle didn't enjoy the Susie date, when a later patch fixed it.
>>4081561>* Imagine Poor Noelle Clipping Into A Wall Somewhere>* Wasting Away From Potassium Deficiency>* Y... you're actually worried about her?>* I Would Be If I Wasn't Going To Find Her
>>4081562>You're like the guy who thought a minor sprite difference proved that Noelle didn't enjoy the Susie date, when a later patch fixed it.nta, but wouldnt the patch fixing it prove that there being no sprite difference between noelle quietly mentally breaking down and noelle in the normal route mean that she's feeling the same thing in both routes?
>>4081551>Kriselle isn't well-writtenKriselle is the most well-written pairing in the game. It has depth, it has drama, and it has angst, but most importantly, IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE. Same cannot be said about Suselle >>4081108
>>4081567Kriselle isn't meant to be a real romance. The fact fans view it as such is purely accidental.
>>4081562Bro? Even with that later patch, the aborted weird route has Noelle internally monologuing about how everything is always the same and everyone's a fucking NPC over the moment in the lake. If that's satisfaction with her circumstances, what would dissatisfaction look like?
>>4081549Do people really want to fight Asgore again that bad? He's in at least 2 UT games already, just play those.
>>4081562>Anon you're delusionalCould you elaborate a bit more? Why am I wrong? Everything I said is taken directly from the game.>You're like the guy who thought a minor sprite difference proved that Noelle didn't enjoy the Susie date, when a later patch fixed it.Sprite isn't really a significant detail at all. The overall message of the scene remains the same. Noelle is still seething throughout the entire Suselle lake scene.
>>4081570ah yes, my neighbour has most of her room with stuff related to me but she totally isn't in love uhuh yup sirr
>>4081552You'll find out in ch7
>>4081570>Kriselle isn't meant to be a real romanceSo this scene isn't romantic at all, right?
>>4081572That's why I had a hunch Asgore was never going to be Chapter 5's boss, but with people pining for 7B, it's simply a matter of a fight against "Asgore but he's giving it his all and isn't burdened by countless years of guilt for seeing to it literal children have to die to the point that he himself is suicidal."
>>4081573Susie and Noelle genuinely love each other. This is the case in both normal and weird route. The idea that it's a false romance and Kris is her true love is not the authorial intention. Take off your shipping goggles.
>>4081565*Lake...skip!
>>4081525well its literally a pumpkin, and he didnt fall on his own there was an equal entity in the light world pushing him down (The Knight)if jackenstein jumped off a cliff himself, that'd be different
>>4081538Basically my thoughts on it too. It's just lazy.
>>4081578I like these posts because you can feel this very brimming contempt for Noelle as a character
>>4081570Or the fact that the Thorn Ring is literally a wedding ring doesn't mean anything either, right?
>>4081578>Take off your shipping goggles.take yours off first, it's clearly that noelle has more feeling towards kris than susie, she acts with lust around susie, but she acts with actual love around kris.
>>4081570Kriselle is like Noelle's snow angel. Has the least factual interactions in the game but shippers add to it everything around that so it looks the biggest.
>>4081546That's twice in a row too.>ch4 big buildup to the final prophecy panel>Susie shatters it before you get to see it>buildup to Asgore's backstory>he gives you the cliffnotes version and as much as says that this experience helped him move on from thatIt's just buildup with no payoff at this point. Kind of annoying in a full game, aggravating when it's years before multiple chapters' conclusions will ever come to fruition.
>>4081578>This is the case in both normal and weird route.Take a look at this pic >>4081559 and say that again with a straight face. Noelle literally doesn't notice Susie and pays attention mainly to Kris in WR. Noelle literally writes her name and Kris's name in a game for couples - King and Queen game.
>>4081578I don't think suselle is doomed or anything but acting like there aren't major unresolved feelings between noelle and kris is just genuine eyes closed while playing tier shit. Noelle and susie love each other but noelle would drop everything for kris if they genuinely asked. Both can be true
>>4081572Asgore got hyped up by Undyne to get an omega version only for the final boss to be fucking Sans and then Asgore dies like a bitch.This is on top of Spamton NEO opening the possibility of DR getting bosses that didn't happen in UT, and also the prophecy panel being designed to lead people into expecting an Asgore fight and also his colored flowers mirroring the human souls.
>>4081572Really the question is does Toby think Asgore needs a serious fight. He felt that way about NEO cause it was literal bait encounter but Asgore in genocide is just a cutscene of him being caught unaware
>>4081593Don't forget what Undyne said before dying.
>>4081583I don't hate Noelle, I'm just listening to the the author is telling me. Susie x Noelle is a force of positivity. Susie x Kris is one of negativity. This is consistent and universal. You need to remember that Toby is dogshit at writing romance. All this depth people assign to these ships is imaginary.
>none of the main story matters>literally anything that will amount to something in the end is in optional content and random throwaway linesWhat is this style of storytelling called
>>4081593I think he does otherwise he wouldn't have made the Yellow Monster and flowers room in Mantle 3.
>>4081596>I'm just listening to the the author is telling me.>Susie x Kris is one of negativity. Sounds like someone hates the Flower Man
>>4081567Weird isn't even real Kriselle, you're forcing Kris to torture Noelle and she goes along with it because she's insane
>>4081601Mike
>>4081602Sorry, I meant Noelle x Kris is one of negativity.
>>4081603noelle likes it tho
>>4081605Mike is real.
>>4081573>Sprite isn't really a significant detail at all.That's funny because it definitely was according to Krisellefags until it got changed
>>4081583in general I’ve really come to notice when someone seems to be hoping that Noelle genuinely does not evolve past a wholesome chungus plot device who genuinely does fucking nothing on the entire normal route
>>4081577Yeah because fighting his own kid isn't a burden kek, Asgorefags need to sit the fuck down
>>40816147B ASGORE fight wouldn't have you play as Kris but as the Vessel.
>>4081596>Susie x Noelle is a force of positivityBWAHAHAHA GOOD ONE SUSELLETROON
>>4081609>>4081616asgore or mike getting a fight way after their actual chapters won't make shit retroactively betterplus the window for a third jevil is over now, wasted with fucking mad dummy again
>>4081596You're mistakenly equate shipping and romance while talking to a shipper. To ship characters you don't need actual romance to happen in the source material. So any argument about that will fall flat.
>>4081619I don't care as long as i get my OMEGA ASGORE fight i will be happy.
>>4081618>just 3 eventual final bosses sharing an afternoon together
>>4081603>Weird isn't even real KriselleSusellesister... This >>4081567 screencap was taken in NR. Have you even played the game? Here's another one for you.
>"Obi-wan never told you what happened on that day...">"...that day?">"Yes, that horrible day... That's when your father did... that thing...">"That thing...?">"Yes...">"No, it can't be... That's impossible!"Star Wars written by Toby Fox.
>>4081620Why do you're hate Kriselle? You gay?
>>4081626Fake because Luke isn't gender neutral.
>>4081613It feels gross. Don't get me wrong weird route is evil and I want it to end fucked up but the way people are screaming and begging for there to be no meaning to it or even for noelle to just have drowned really reinforces her monologue. It is just her vs this world that wants her to rot
>>4081611>That's funny because it definitely was according to Krisellefags until it got changedThe sprite was just an extra detail that made this scene stand out even more, suselleteoon. The meaning of the scene remained the same.
>>4081625Yeah, friends know each other. Your point?
>>4081630NO ONECAN CHOOSEWHO THEY AREIN THIS WORLD
>>4081631>suselleteoonPut down the phone.
>>4081633IN THIS WORLDIT'S USE OR BE USED UP
>>4081613>>4081630Casual players find Susie x Noelle to be charming and wholesome. That is the intention. Your toxic interpretation is fanfiction.
>>4081578The Noelle who loves Susie in Weird Route is the dissociative autopilot girl. If she truly loved Susie from the bottom of her heart, or anyone else for that matter, she would have offered them freedom too.But no, she only lets Kris seek freedom with her. She's THAT devoted to say "fuck everyone else".
>>4081630I'm not the suselle schizo you're arguing with, but I think Noelle is gonna get used up in 7B, and that does not mean I somehow hate Noelle and want her character to have no meaning at all.
>>4081637Dawg, I want normal route Noelle to DO SOMETHING, so far she’s a half-step above Berdly in being a joke character
>>4081633>"IN THIS WORLD">implying that if you leave the world you're in, you'll be able to choose you are>in noelle's case, this means going out of bounds will allow her to choose who she truly is
>>4081641Why? No one else does anything, she shouldn't have to either.
>>4081642>Who she truly is A corpse?
>>4081641Don't worry anon, she'll rehash her character arc from Chapter 2 when she learns to stand up to her mother so Carol can see the error of her ways, apologize for being homophobic and classist and give her blessing to Noelle and Susie's relationship mere moments before being kidnapped!
>>4081632My point is that this >>4081576 is clearly a romantic scene. Also, when Kris and Noelle ride together, Susie couldn't hit their window even once, and the wheel makes a full rotation. When Noelle rides with Susie, the Ferris wheel only goes halfway.
>>4081641Noelle absolutely will do something. She is clearly set up to play a crucial role in the finale, one where her weakness will lead to a tragedy. That will create the motivation for pursuing the weird route.
>>4081645nice try but no, she is alive
>>4081642SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPA NOELLE IS MEANT TO DO NOELLE THINGSSTAY IN YOUR LESBIAN LANE OR I WILL SEND THE FRIENDS AFTER YOU
>>4081642She leaves so she can choose to be Susie's wife
Right, I forgot my mistake in arguing with phonefags not posting any images in a reply chain, my mistake
>>4081632>>4081647It's all just a coincidence, suselletroon. Don't worry.
>>4081655Nigger, don't try doing the /doe/ thing where people throw out entire arguments just because they don't have a picture attached, this is /vrpg/, threads last for a long time and people don't want to use up all the image slots right away.
>>4081647Those are just random moments that don't actually mean anything. Lije seriously listen to yourself>they made the cutscenes slightly different depending on who you choose>that means the ship I like is confirmed and any other ones are wrong lmao
>>4081657*brap*
>>4081656>Susie will defy fate to get her endingOh, so Suselle confirmed?
>>4081656If anything, "it shouldn't work but Susie forces it to anyway" is the exact thing that'll make Suselle somehow turn out perfect.Every time "Susie's Idea" comes up, it works. Even against a motherfucking Titan. All she needs to do is manifest that kind of confidence in the Light World (which she doesn't have, she just avoids all her problems and acts like a bitch to anyone who isn't unconditionally nice to her while tolerating her bullshit) and she'll have Noelle squirting forevermore.
>>4081569krismas kaname and noelle akemi
>>4081662ah, yes, forcing a relationship to happen, totally a healthy dynamic that won't blow itself up like many other lesbo ships
So I actually looked it up after losing a few times and the Susiezilla minigame is actually impossible to beat.
>... and you saw Noelle smiling at you, with arms full of flowersThis is the only proof we have that Kris loved Noelle at some point, a broken dream. But what about today's Kris? You know, I've always seen their relationship as more like siblings. Kris and Noelle literally grew up together, even shared the same babysitter, and played together all the time. If you knew a girl since both of you were babies would you look at her as a romantic interest or just a sister/friend?Btw I have nothing against Kriselle, it's actually my favorite ship, but I also believe we're going to get a friendship ending. Toby doesn't have the balls to make one ship canon and let all the others sink.
>>4081663An actually good subversive writer would make it so that one of Susie's Ideas actually ends up failing catastrophically after it has worked well over and over, but I don't think Toby has the balls to do that.
>>4081598mystery box
>>4081670Because Susie is the real protagonist, and the protagonist always gets what they want.
>>4081665You could have made a point based on the narrative alone but you let your obsession with irl gay relationships get in the way again.
>>4081667actually no.https://youtu.be/BaEn5978KRQ
>>4081659Kris and Noelle literally grew up together. They’ve known each other for over ten fucking years. Do you seriously think that in all that time, no feelings at all could have developed between them? Do you even read what Noelle says in the game? Are you autistic or something?
>>4081651For now
>>4081628femluke has a small following on /co/ and /tv/
>>4081668>This is the only proof we have that Kris loved Noelle at some point, a broken dreamthe shadow crystals are actually a window into side b, which we will fully experience in ng+
>>4081670>>4081672We have technically three chapters left for this to happen.
>>4081659Nta but Toby clearly meant something with those scenes. He didn't bother to put them in for no reason.
>>4081675That's nice but that doesn't mean she can't genuinely love Susie as well.
>>4081678Ng+?The guy couldn't program a sliding animation he already made
>>4081679I know, I just don't think Toby's got what it takes.
>>4081675>over 10 years noelle says in ch2 she's known kris for as long as she can remember, which means that kris was adopted when she was 2-3 at the absolute latest
>>4081681You only say this for scenes that confirm your biases
>>4081641You could argue that Side A Noelle is less meaningful than Berdly, actually5 chapters in and the only thing she’s done that’s truly necessary is getting Queen to back down, which is about analogous to Berdly getting the Thrash Machine crew together to even fight Giga Queen, but Berdly is a factor in 3 separate mandatory boss fights where as the vast majority of Noelle’s scenes can be skipped outright
>>4081662>>4081663>Susie forces it >Susie will defy fate to get her endingSee this pic >>4081647Kriselle will win in the end. Susie couldn't ruin their ride. She missed every time, and the Ferris wheel made a full rotation.
>>4081683Actually incredible how delusional some people are when it comes to NG+. There's still obvious bugs even after the team went through all the chapters to do a bugfixing pass, and people think they're actually gonna bother with NG+, it's so insane.
>>4081677>only entertained due to coomer reasonshmmm.. that sure reminds me of something
Kriselle won't happen and people here will bitch about it until 4chan shuts down.Mark my words.
>>4081682True. Kris obviously loves both Susie and Noelle. Fuck it, Kris might even love Berdly a little as well.
>>4081689they didn't remaster the previous chapters because they're waiting until they work on side b before doing the fixes and updates
>>4081691I won't.
>>4081693Case in point.
>>4081691>people here will bitch about it until 4chan shuts down.So, next year?
>>4081626Star Wars would've been better if Vader and Luke weren't related
>>4081691what if krusie wins out in the end?
>>4081690apples and orangeskris being a girl would have narrative consequences femluke would just be luke but a girl, story would remain the same
>>4081693Uh huh sure yeah ok
>>4081626>Kris, did I ever tell you about your mother, Toriel? She was your father's girlfriend in college, a fine piece of slut from the good old days. She had the fattest ass and the bounciest tits in the whole campus, barely fit in her clothes. Asgore and I used to doubleteam her at the end of every semester, and once in a while she'd let half of the students run a train over her, part of "extracurriculars" of course. We taught her to drink an entire bottle of beer at once, and she constantly went after Carol to lick her pussy. It was ridiculous, like a constant porno, Kris, you have no idea. And she was a good friend.
>>4081682>That's nice but that doesn't mean she can't genuinely love Susie as wellNah-uh, suselletroon. Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. Why do you think Noelle is seething here >>4081573 throughout the entire suselle scene in the aborted WR? These feelings were literally imposed on Noelle by the prophecy. Just take a look at Noelle's room. It's all about Kris and nothing about Susie, whom she's supposedly obsessed with.
>>4081691not if the mods shut down 4chan first due to a lack of traffic (because they keep nuking the high traffic threads due to autism)
>>4081693Keep coping buddy, I'm sure Konami will release the real MGSV that Kojima always wanted any time now too.
>>4081697t. 1977oomer
>>4081626>"No, it can't be... That's impossible!"More like>"Oh... Ok." *seals the fountain then things return to status quo at the start of the next chapter*
>>4081698Swear to god if people start pretending they never doubted
>>4081698It won't, but it doesn't matter, 90% of krusiefags are already dead.
>>4081702>It's all about Kris and nothing about SusieI wonder if that has anything to do with Susie being a newcomer in everyone's lives
>>4081670I think it's exactly what will happen because everything so far feels like a setup for either Susie failing when faced with actual danger OR, as a subversion of that, everything, including the Light world, not being real in some way (including her being autopiloted by prophesy) and Susie's epic life wins not mattering because it's literally impossible for her to fail.
>>4081626in star wars written by toby fox, obi wan wouldn't even lie about darth vader killing luke's papa, he'd just vaguepost the shit out of what actually happened
>>4081691>Kriselle won't happen and people here will bitch about it until 4chan shuts down.Thank goodness we already have people creating Kriselle mods and entire fan games dedicated to this ship.
>>4081698Susie doesn't love Kris that way.
>>4081668You can find like half a dozen ways to interpret that scene without Kriselle being involved.
>>4081707i don't think anyone would believe themsusie's reputation is pretty deep in the gutter right now, especially with people who actually noticed how shitty she was to kris in ch5 just because she got a gf (for one day)
>>4081712imagine noelle's antlers breaking through the roof and her being suspended in the air as kris lets out a chuckle
>>4081691How far we've come from the days when 4chan hated Noelle.
>>4081711And then everyone CLAPS when all the vagueposting is because they were saving the reveal for the prequel, so of COURSE no one would openly explain anything because "it already happened and traumatized the fuck out of everyone and no one wants to re-traumatize the characters!"
>>4081710>when faced with actual dangerYour Titan, bro?>>4081711>in star wars written by toby fox, The Last Jedi would happenGood point.
>>4081698If Krusie wins there will be nobody left to enjoy it since almost every Krusie fan became Susie hater this chapter
>>4081711obi wan was also vagueposting about what happened from a certain point of view
>>4081705Wait that's actually a thing?
>>4081691yes it will, but it will have a tragic endingsee that recent Echoes of the Glacier fangame
>>4081717noelle's always had some fansalthough after ch4 it was mostly doecoomers due to the whole 'forced' thing, which has since been recontextualized
>>4081717you guys hated noelle?
>>4081719>Your Titan, bro?You mean purification tutorial. And yeah, before Gerson appeared they had no chance to defeat it. So it's either Susie is fucked when faced with actual danger or the plot auto-corrects so she doesn't lose.
>>4081698I'd be happy, but ironically the fact it'd flow the most smoothly has me convinced its the least likely to be endgame
>>4081722Yeah there were ANH fans (they don't call it that way) who didn't like ESB. For obvious reasons it's not something commonly brought up nowadays since there are far larger elephants to address about Star Wars now.
>>4081709Noelle had been obsessed with Susie for about 3 or 4 months. There should be something related to Susie in her room. So why is it just Kris Kris Kris? Isn't that strange?
>>4081722they're very rare but yes there are/ were 1977 purists i occasionally fake being one to piss off esbfags who claim it's the best one by pointing out how it wrecks obi wan by making him a liar
>>4081726we didn't
>>4081714For example? The Shadow Crystal shows us broken dreams, and it shows us that right after the festival. The implication is obviously romantic.
There's a neat trick you can do in DR threads where if someone says something like "something will happen" or "this character will do something interesting" you can just be like "no they won't" and be right every single time.
>>4081726Noelle was the universally accepted cuck and certified bad friend during chapter 4.
The only canon ships will be Krisoul in Side A and VesSoul in Side B.
>>4081725>doecoomersKys. Unironically.
>>4081726Noelle hate peaked during the Sweepstakes, even though Susie acting like an omega sperg was seen as “lmao hot tomboy”
>>4081731I'm an ESBfag and I like that angle of his character
>>4081715I don't even mean it in a "I hate Susie" sort of way as even here the disdain still varies but regardless everyone was acting like it was over
>>4081674Oh cool, PC modders made it so you can bypass the automatic loss screen.
They were doing anything in /sus/ back in 2022 I saw people wanting to fuck Female Monster Kid.
>>4081726Not me personally, but in chapter 1 /v/ was already anticipating that she would "cuck us" by getting together with Susie as a repeat Alphys x Undyne situation
>>4081701Rume fohr onhe moure?
>>4081726I just think she's boring
If Noelle was genderflipped she would come off as absolutely insufferable. She would 100% be the most despised character in the story, even more than Berdly
>>4081744And the 10th anniversary outright proved that Suselle is inevitable. Toby literally compared the two pairings while talking about Alphyne.
>>4081740it gives him more depth, but the og star wars was pretty straightforwards so making the wise mentor a liar would sour the character for purists of course if you like 1-6 or even just the ot, obi wan keeping secrets from luke does bring a lot to the table, and gives luke more of an incentive to trust his own judgement at the end of rotj instead of just doing what obi wan and yoda told him todeltarune
>>4081730It's because she was too afraid of Susie, she immediately jumps at the chance for a crumb of Susie's attention and affection when she learns Kris can be her foot in the door.
>>4081747Berdly is hated? But I love Berdly. He is a gamer like me.
>>4081747>If Noelle was genderflippedIf your dad were a woman, he'd be the best whore in town.
>>4081750Erm that line was about Krusie trust the plan.
>>4081747people would then want to buckbreak noellefemkris would also be more popular, probably
>>4081746that's what makes wr so compelling she was just repressing all of that shit, spooky
>>4081743MK with an hourglass bod and thick thighs is a registered and verified sex goddess, full stop.
>>4081756If Toby kept Kris's hair consistent or wasn't obsessed with Kris only having to wear Asriel's clothes FemKris would have been much more popular back then.
>>4081751To be fair I think ESB is the furthest Star Wars should have ever went into "deconstruction" territory. But we are so far beyond that point even most die hard fans are very cynical in some way.
>>4081750I mean yeah, it was obvious from the beginning, I just don't care because idgaf about shipping.
>>4081739With all the Mary Susie hate it's easy to forget just how long people spent obsessed with le mean tomboy gurl.
>>4081496Is this actually anything interesting? That voice is hard to listen to, but I also need something to listen to tomorrow when I'm cleaning my apartment.
>>4081758I know and that's why Fem MK is canon.
>>4081752>It's because she was too afraid of SusieSuselletroon... We see in NR that Noelle doesn't want a romantic relationship with Susie. Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. It's all being forced on her. She fucking hates it.
>>4081747>She would 100% be the most despised character in the storythat would be genderflipped susie. she's already unpopular as she is right now lol.
>>4081764No. He spends an hour saying nothing.
>>4081764It's basically multiple predictions for 7BNo Mantle or Home Massacre mention though, somehow.
>>4081733The scene is showing Noelle holding flowers and smiling. Nothing more. You seriously can't imagine any scene where this could happen? Anything at all?>"Look, Kris, I did become the festival's Queen!">"Aren't these flowers Susie gave me pretty, Kris? When did she become the expert on which flowers I like?!">"Look, I caught your bouquet, Kris! That means I'm marrying next. Although with you taking Susie I guess B- You know what, nevermind, faha!">"I don't mind part-timing for your dad, Kris, but please tell him he doesn't need to "pay" us with flowers!"etc. etc.>The Shadow Crystal shows us broken dreamsThe Shadow Crystal represents its original holder's broken dream. What it shows Kris is wildly inconsistent. We've been over this.
>>4081759I will say, I never saw Kris as female until the food minigame in 3.
>>4081767If they made genderflipped Susie handsome he's actually be quite popular. That's the type women like.
>>4081760yeah, but lucas did it in a way to actually expand the scope and the story instead of it being just a rehash of the first one like most sequels were at the time iirc he said he effectively just made the first one backwards, have the big fight at the start and end with the empire being a huge threat, heroes are at their lowest but he didn't shit on any of the characters or their cause, that's the difference with modern subversion and deconstruction
>>4081747Ralsei is the one that would have been more liked if he was gender flipped.
>>4081766It's an analogy for how I hate women but my biology makes me want them.
If Suselle wins, it will affect the quality of the entire story, since Suselle is badly written dogshit. And it doesn't make any fucking sense.
Genderflipped Noelle wpuld be hated the most outside of here because staring at Susie’s ass for half of Chapter 2 would be seen in a very bad light
>>4081771even the majority of current femkrisfags will admit that they didn't either until 3&4 brought new things to the table there were a few of them in the ch1-2 era, but those were almost certainly actual women or coomers
>>4081774Unironically Ralsei as he is appeals sexually to both straights and gays so your too wrong.
>>4081766That's only in Weird Route, where Noelle is awakened to things she was never meant to get involved in. In the Normal Route, she remains oblivious to just how different and free she can be, so Susie's freshness is her greatest source of monotony break and she's consistently drawn to her, even continuing to have masochistic fantasies even after it's made well and clear Susie isn't the brutal bully she made herself seem.
>>4081773I mostly agree, though having Vader be Anakin shrunk the time frame for the empire unfortunately.Also bad how people took all the wrong lessons from "No, I am your father."It was good because it was an interesting direction to take the characters, the surprise was just a bonus to it. But guess what people try to replicate?
>>4081776k
>>4081770>The scene is showing Noelle holding flowers and smiling. Nothing moreYou forgot the part when everyone else disappears, which implies is just Kris and Noelle sharing a moment.
>>4081757i get it but we spent like 8 years with the whole childhood friend shtick that you can optionally push around for an alt route so I kinda need a bit more than that to start feeling something
>>4081776Toby doesn't care. Alphyne was mandatory to the story of True Pacifist, and that shit was miserable. But you had to endure it because it was the only way to get into True Lab.
>>4081779I haven't seen a single female lust for Ralsei
If Susie was a boy FemKris would probably be more popular and Kralsei would not be seen as gay here.If Noelle was a boy Kriselle wouldn't have the autists it has now
>>4081750>>4081761tricky tone is unironically playing you like a fiddle then, ch5 set that up to fail catastrophically
You realize you guys spend hours each day posting on cooldown about which characters are in love with whoever
>>4081789Kris is in love with ME.
>>4081783Yeah, characters sometimes talk one on one. Big surprise.
>>4081786I don't give a fuck about female opinions
>>4081789I spend hours each day posting on cooldown about how the game keeps going downhill
>>4081786Those that do are on /utg/
>>4081787if Susie and Ralsei swapped genders it would be a normal JRPG party.
>>4081789I hate all of them though
>>4081792then what straight man would be sexually attracted by ralsei?
>>4081780>That's only in Weird Route, where Noelle is awakened to things she was never meant to get involved inWhen Noelle is free from the prophecy's influence, she doesn't love Susie. The prophecy is literally evil. NR is literally rape, since Suselle is a relationship literally forced upon her by the prophecy.
>>4081785it didn't matter back then because you could always choose to kill undyne and get alphys to ack so it didnt get as much shit as it would have otherwise
>>4081795What if Kris swapped genders?
>>4081797Me, obviously.>>4081798Oh so now that it's yuri, suddenly rape is bad?
>>4081781empire was already implied to be pretty recent in the first one, as obi wan and anakin were part of it and vader was already stated to have hunted and killed most of the jedi20ish years isn't too bad for a hostile dictatorship irl, most of them don't last nearly as long without western funding my big issue is how the entirety of the clone wars, a galaxy spanning conflict of two super powers with hundreds of millions of combatants, only lasted a mere 3 years despite some campaigns lasting months
>>4081789Eh, the same could be said about the Bible
>>4081795I was about to say it.Susie and Ralsei are written as if they were the opposite gender. Susie is the bad boy delinquent with a heart of gold and competing with the protagonist for the girl. Ralsei is the bubbly magical girl with the weaker attacks and healing.
>>4081785>Alphyne was mandatory to the story of True PacifistAlphyne is nothing compared to Suselle because it literally affects the game’s main plot. Suselle will be ten times worse. That level of writing is just fucking unacceptable. I’m not going to eat shit, Toby. Fuck you.
Watch this.KRISELLE IS A YURI SHIP BUT THEY WILL BE USED UP AND BY USED UP I MEAN THEY WILL DIE
>>4081807How do I get into True Lab without making Alphyne happen?
>>4081803Having the emperor be extremely old looking gives the wrong impression regardless.Still, some of the lamer aspects of the prequels were already implied in the OT unfortunately.
>>4081806Yeah that's the point.
>>4081801>Oh so now that it's yuri, suddenly rape is bad?Suselletroon, I never said that rape is good. I'm a krisellefag, not a soulellefag.
The execution of Susie x Noelle doesn't even make sense. Susie plays the role of a tomboy falling in love and becoming more feminine... but her love interest is also a girl. It's utter nonsense. The author is following romance cliches without understanding why they exist.
>>4081808WHAO!
>>4081814To give Toby the benefit of the doubt, their deal is that both are in love with a wrong impression of the other. Susie isn't really a rough violent bully, Noelle isn't a meek weak girl.Almost sounds like my personal experience with this game.
>>4081809Alphyne isn't a major part of the game. We still have 2 whole chapters full of dykeshit cringe ahead of us.
>>4081814toby thinks that butch girls and feminine girls naturally find each other interesting and are attracted to each otherno shit, he admitted it in the 10th anniversary stream, /v/ had a field day with that one
>>4081804Comparing the fucking scrimblo chungus game to an unironic literary masterpiece lmao
>>4081806>Susie and Ralsei are written as if they were the opposite gender.that's because susie is meant to be a tomboy and ralsei is meant to be a femboy
>>4081808all true
>>4081821>tomboy>femboyand what do you think the concept behind these is?
>>4081814>The execution of Susie x Noelle doesn't even make senseWhat cracks me up the most is that they first spoke to each other just THREE FUCKING DAYS AGO. What the fuck kind of romantic relationship are we even talking about here? Suselle is so fucking shallow.
>>4081819Yeah, but why would a butch girl make herself more feminine when she's dating another girl? That only makes sense when she's dating a boy.
>>4081818>Alphyne isn't a major part of the game.It is, because you can't do True Pacifist without causing Alphyne. You're fundamentally locked out of the happiest ending if you don't want to permit the dogshit lesbian relationship. Just like how you'll be locked out of the happiest ending in Deltarune if you don't want to permit the dogshit lesbian relationship.
>>4081819Opposites attract has been a rule for storytelling for generations.
>>4081820Both are fiction tho
>>4081824Being gay.>>4081826Her becoming more feminine is her being true to herself, the tough act is just a front.
>>4081826because toby only knows how to write uwu lesbiansdidn't he also sand down undyne for alphys?
>>4081826Because the relationship is actually "bad boy x sheltered girl" and Susie suddenly caring about her femininity is to parallel with the obligatory "bad boy tries to look like a presentable gentleman" part of the romance.
>>4081825Personally what fucks me up is why would Susie be jealous because she thinks Kris took Noelle first when they’ve been estranged for years
>>4081828But they're both girls THOSusie should fucking RALSEI
I still think Deltarune is ending with no relationship but with everybody still being friends.
>>4081825>so fucking shallowYeah unlike most straight ships which are so deep such as>guy looks at obvious main love interest of the story once and instantly falls in love
>>4081833Because she made up that excuse on short notice. See >>4081066
>>4081829Yes, and? Shit and tomato soup are both edible but that doesn't mean a non-indian would put both on his plate.
>>4081827>It is, because you can't do True PacifistFuck off retarde. Did Frisk love Alphys or Undyne? No. In Deltarune, it’s all so much bigger and broader. It’s not even comparable. Suselle is going to ruin the whole fucking plot.
>>4081834susie doesn't deserve ralsei
>>4081819where did he say that? I watched the whole anniversary stream then and dont recall that
The majority of people here hate Suselle not because it's boring but because it attacks their self insert ship.
>>4081837Ah yes the writing was bad on purpose at last I truly see
>>4081841i can't remember when exactly, but iirc it's the part where he also mentions that susie has a thing for 'the shy girl'
>>4081839If anything DR feels smaller and closed off compared to UT which was a grand adventure despite being far shorter of a game
>>4081839So I can do True Pacifist without permitting Alphyne? How? I wanna know, fuck those dyke cunts.
>>4081843>I’m in the minority Feelsgoodmang
>>4081843you sure you are not projecting? not everybody is a shipperfag jackass. it just sucks dick.
>>4081843Basically
>>4081824tomboy is a woman acting masculine instead of feminine and femboy is a man acting feminine instead of masculine, it's pretty simple, susie is a tomboy, ralsei is a femboy, and kris is the non-binary inbetween, a perfect balance
>>4081849It literally doesn't.
>>4081836Kriselle is as deep as Lake Baikal. Kriselle gives us a glimpse into Kris’s past, the time before THE INCIDENT, when Kris and Noelle were happy. You can truly feel that Kris and Noelle spent a lot of time together and know each other better than anyone else in town. Kris and Noelle have a whole decade of shared memories. And all of this is well-written and smoothly conveyed in the game. What does Suselle give us? This >>4081818 cringe?
So when do we address that some people clearly self-insert as Susie
toby fox sent me a picture of the ship that will win by the end of the game
>>4081854whatchu mean??
>>4081854explain your case
>>4081854true…
>>4081854Because she's literally what our Vessel was supposed to be. The new kid in town who all the main characters unconditionally love and gets to be the driving force of tons of awesome adventures.
>>4081853According to your logic, Kris and Toriel will hook up because they've been together for years and like each other.
>>4081852>it makes my pp hard so suselle is not a badly written ship!!
>>4081843>The majority of people here hate Suselle Because Suselle doesn't make any fucking sense. It's poorly written dogshit. Take a look at this pic >>4081108
>>4081860Well there was that weird sort of yearning where Kris can see a vision of Toriel holding another child, since ALL Shadow Crystal visions according to Krisellefags are broken dreams related to romantic yearnings. Incest baby, maybe?
>>4081854Point out the specific posts so we know this isn't just your strawman.
>>4081860false equivalence
>>4081854yeah imagine a bitter foid that looks like danny devito in a flannel playing deltarune
>>4081855>girls when they take a picture of something they want to show you>>4081861That was a joke about lesbos not sucking dicks but I can see you take this shipping business very seriously
>>4081860>Kris and Toriel will hook upAre you fantasizing about pseudo-incest or something? Kris and Noelle are childhood friends. It's literally one of the most popular romantic tropes.
Did anyone else cry when you realized you wouldn't be able to bring Blue to Castle Town?
>>4081870>It's literally one of the most popular romantic tropes.So is incest.
>>4081872nah, castle town is for my netskies and my tasques only, ferals town babyy
>>4081872No?
>>4081872It's okay him and Yellow are sharing space so you just know they're fucking like crazy in there.
>>4081860What are you even talking about? Kris and Toriel don't have scenes like that >>4078868 There's clearly something going on between Kris and Noelle.
Kek where's all this susellefags coming from? Is /u/ raiding us?
>>4081881Yeah obviously
>>4081881I think is just one dude. The only susellefag I know is a troll.
Start faveposting NOW
How are you fags still discussing this game and you're not all on HRT yet?
>>4081874tori loved psuedo incest...
>>4081887wtf noelle would never say this she loves starscream
>>4081887Sorry, I'm not a Ralseifag or post in /vg/
>>4081854I wouldn't mind inserting myself in Susie.
>>4081890You mean Cyclonus?
>>4081889Tori loves to fuck, every man in town has fucked her. Rudy wouldn't lie.
>>4081879>friend inside me
>>4081894Why is Rudy even telling this to Kris?
Pretty cowardly to give Flower Man lyrics but no actual vocals.
>>4081897same reason why sans told kris that he fucked toriel in the night before chapter 1
>>4081897Why wouldn't he?
>>4081898sorry, toby blew all the budget on hatsune miku small indie dev , please understand
>>4081887Noelle is FTM.
>>4081540>christianity must be true because it says "gawd did that" when science hasn't figured it out yetThis but unironically.
>>4081898It's to keep Don't Forget special.
>>4081904Don't Forget was honestly pretty bad.
>>4081572>He's in at least 2 UT games alreadyWhen did Undertale 2 came out?
>>4081907like 5 years ago https://pep.itch.io/undertale-2
>>4081906Noelle is still learning.
>>4081900>yeah yer mum was a ho kid, hahahaha good times!
>>4081691No shit, you saw what happened to Krusie.
>>4081911Nothing sexual was implied. You're projecting.
>>4081737Finally, a good post.
>>4081794No, it's just more gay niggers there.
>>4081897kris never talks to him. He says this. He is finally able to tell his unc stories
>>4081917rudy lied about kris never visiting him, noelle literally says they keep coming to the hospital even if you didnt go in chapter 1
>chapter 6>kris once again visits the mike room>battat grab kris's ass>"Dess is definitely a groomer!"
>>4081808One part of this post is correct.
>>4081839Yeah, Frisk loved me, so did Chara.
>>4081921kris may have been going for non rudy related reasons afaik the receptionist mentions that kris would often play the piano there, and that kris had been feeling ill recently
>>4081843That's basically all shipfags that don't even like the game.
Would you recommend Deltarune to your friends?
>>4081898Because the lyrics were deliberately designed to sound bad when you actually sing them. It's a song where the vocals only works in your imagination.
>>4081930I don't have friends
>>4081854*Kris
>>4081930my friends already play deltarune
>>4081928if it was only for the piano, noelle wouldnt wonder why kris keeps going to the hospital, it has to be to see noelle's father, if rudy is the knight, kris would obviously discuss the roaring gamechat plans with each other, and even if not the knight, kris being worried for rudy is enough reason for their frequent visits
>>4081931they sound good with the right singer, check this cover outhttps://youtu.be/OlB2uADmGH4
>>4081931Doesn't mean they shouldn't be sung, after all that didn't stop them from singing Don't Forget.
>>4081930No, they are all straight white males who go "eww what is this pixel crap" when they see this kind of games.
>>4081941>people who only play triple a slopdisgusting, they wouldn't appreciate games like deltarune even if it SWOONed them in the ass like the roaring knight
>>4081921>rudy lies about not seeing kris >sans lies about not knowing kris>carol says that YOU are welcome any timeAnd somehow they never told Asgore about US.Fake as hell friends.Asgore deserved better than this
>>4081930Yes.
Deltarune has no red herrings.
>>4081944i remember seeing a comic pic where kris told asgore about the soul and kris requested asgore to vaguepost about "that day"
>>4081946yeah, undyne is a blue fish after all
>>4081947This one?
deltarune needs spiders
>>4081951Yup
>>4081921>noelle literally says they keep coming to the hospital even if you didnt go in chapter 1the game is extremely inconsist with acknowledging your actions, it also insists that you flirt with every enemy in ch5 even if you've been violent the whole time
>>4081954I wonder if the lack of twitterfags pointing out shit like this is because they don't even consider playing a violent normal run
>>4081954the flirting gag is odd, but the hospital thing makes sense, even the hospital lady says that kris goes to the hospital often as well, rudy is the only fucker saying that kris doesn't go to the hospital, and there are many reasons to suspect that rudy is involved in the roaring conspiracy, so his words are to be taken with a grain of salt
Is Mother 3 really that good? I want to play if it's good, not just to fill my Deltarune homework
>>4081956>even the hospital lady says that kris goes to the hospital often as wellAgain, the game is inconsistent. This doesnt work as evidence because the game is just as capable of getting it completely wrong and assuming that (You) are doing what the average undertale fan is doing (or I guess what the average undertale fan USED to do now) and talking to everyone even if its a strange thing for the protag to do. It has done so before
>>4081957no
>>4081954Susie already assumes Kris is good at flirting back in Chapter 4
>>4081957it's 'fine'people don't play it because it's a good game, they play it because people worship the 'themes' and how 'emotional' it is imo it's the worst of the trilogy, and vastly overrated if it had gotten an official translation people would probably only rank it higher than mother 1 due to it being less jank to play (even if mother 1 mogs it in every other regard)i guess you could play it to see first hand just how much toby ripped it off though
>>4081957you should play earthbound first if you haven't yet, but mother 3 is "okay", at least it is a "real" RPG (mostly) instead of pretending to be one like DR does
>>4081960Thank you that actually furthers my point, the game has also DOUBLED DOWN on the same wrong assumption before, so the hospital lady's reinforcement of this supposed lie still doesnt help prove it
>>4081958except those "inconsistent" moments with the bigger picture in mind? two cases where kris is stated to visit often versus one sketchy case where the knight candidate or person working for the knight says that kris doesn't go to the hospital often
>>4081961>people don't play it because it's a good game, they play it because people worship the 'themes' and how 'emotional' it isAnd that's a problem because...? We like OFF here, and OFF famously mostly rides on its themes and storytelling while its gameplay barely exists.
>>4081960this is odd because as far as im aware you can't even flirt AT ALL before chapter 5 (the chapter where flirting is a common option)
>>4081964>except those "inconsistent" moments with the bigger picture in mind?translated>except those "inconsistent" moments that line up with the narrative I pulled out of my ass?Again, the game has been wrong multiple times. Do you wanna argue that the game isnt lying when it says kris flirts with everyone enemy even when we the player dont initiate it? That's my bigger picture, Kris is a player and has sex with everyone in hometown when he tears out the soul, which would explain those "inconsistent" moments
>>4081962I didn't enjoy Earthbound's gameplay so if Mother 3's was a little improved that would mean a lot>>4081961Worrisome
>>4081965mother 3's issues are very similar to deltarune's, where you have a loose idea of what's going on until the end where you get a loredump from some random npc from earlier in the game now i don't hate on mother 3 for it's flaws, the game was in dev hell for over a decade, but people vastly overrate it when they shouldn't and ignore many of these flaws solely because they got suckered in by the ending i will give it this though: you get a better understanding of mother 3 by the mid game than you do of deltarune by the start of the lategame
>>4081968Mother 3's gameplay is mostly the same but with a bit more gimmick on top. Your enjoyment will really ride on how well the rest of the game resonates with you.
>>4081967>>except those "inconsistent" moments that line up with the narrative I pulled out of my ass?anon, the proof is in the fucking game, noelle says that kris keeps visiting, the hospital lady says that kris keeps visiting, and rudy is suspicious, toby wouldnt miss something so huge like that compared to whether the player clicks flirt or not
I tried playing Earthbound and hated it. Maybe the quirky chungus writing was unique back in the day, but nowadays it's everywhere. It was just annoying.
>>4081966You can flirt with Head Hathy and Watercoolers. Plus there's the "Flatter" ACT against regularly Hathys. Both ACTs making a return in Chapter 5
>>4081973it was a game made for kids with some american satire for the fun of it, its not the devs' fault that toby latched onto it for undertale and deltarune which led a gorillion manchildren to become obsessed with quirky chungus writing
>>4081970At the very least Mother 3 does have A Plot that you follow that has more effects on the narrative and journey than a monster of the week scenario. The egg thing takes way too long to pay off but its at least used as the reason why Duster loses his memories and kicks off the arc of getting him on the team later in the story. Things happen that can satisfy you on the way to the lore dump at the end. The world will actually change around you as the story goes on instead of remaining the static slurry of gags that deltarune's Hometown and Castle Town are
>>4081976oh yeah fuckk i forgott
>>4081976I think Susie's impression that Kris is good at flirting specifically comes from the ACT Susie gets when you drag her back to ch1's early encounters after she starts obeying orders. It's "Kris's direction" that leads her to giving the Darkners a genuine compliment that sets them all blushing.
>>4081972anon, the proof is in the fucking game, Susie says kris is really good at flirting, later says he flirts with everyone, and Kris the teenager has suspiciously never needed any alone time, toby wouldnt miss something so huge like that comapred to whether or not the players enters a building or not
>>4081966Secondary spotted.
>>4081980>The world will actually change around you as the story goes on instead of remaining the static slurry of gags that deltarune's Hometown and Castle Town arebacktracking in mother 3 gives u new shit?
So, we're getting a new newsletter in around 10 days, maybe. What do you expect to see?
>>4081986been a while but tazmily changes over the course of the game at the very least
>>4081986You can see Tazmily's corruption in real time is more what I was refering to, people will actually change and the status quo will get challenged instead of refusing to ever change from how it was in the first chapter. Genuine things happen in the story and stuff actually changes overtime, its hard to say that with deltarune right now
>>4081988Suicide. I will be dead by then.
>>4081988More preemptive damage control. Toby is the most insecure faggot ever.
>>4081973The writing is just funny. Sorry your sense of humor is dead.
>>4081988more reassurances and vagueposting maybe officially stating a 2027 release
>>4081988A bunch of collab and merch shilling since it's Undertale's 11th anniversary, and maybe a new vaguepost lore nugget about the Fallen Humans to coincide with the flowers in Deltarune.
>>4081965OFF's gameplay is mediocre but in a very tolerable way, it's merely a lame turn based game. There are no archaic mechanics or obtuse progressions or annoying UI navigation
>>4081994Yeah, and so is Paper Mario's writing. Except that one is tied to a good RPG.
>>40819887B teasing.
>>4081992noo anon don't do that it's selfish and evil what would deltarune fave think? you should be ashamed of thinking such things and should be thrown into the bunker with the knight and eram
>>4081998Paper Mario is good but let's not pretend Earthbound is anything less than serviceable in the gameplay department. Paper Mario averages too easy.
>>4081992>>4082002Suicide is a crime. Murdering a person is a sin, even if that person is yourself.
>>4081983There are also fights where Susie and Ralsei just fuck up flirting (like with Head Hathy) and Kris has to do it himself. There are examples but like said earlier the problem is how would they know that on a run where you don't bother playing nice
>>4081988complete silencetoby has posted far less since the latinx drama
>>4082008>latinx dramathe what? i dont follow the news
>>4081988Toby telling us about his pet cat again
>>4081708Susie can still bounce back. I trust her.
>>4081958This is why lore discussions about minor things are pointless
>>4081988what else is there to say besides>member undertalefor the 11th time?production shit for 5 has been shown, and he likely won't spoil a single thing about 6 before the release trailers
>>4081988Toby updates the game to de-canonize Pink
FemKris is real. Trust the plan.
>>4081988pink's micropenis
>>4082009tl;dr>spics and BRs seethe that the Undertale concert isn't in their areas>then they start seething about overpriced merchandise because Fangamer's a dickhead company>then they start seething about no official localization; this is where they begin employing their classic "dark humor" with insanely racist shitposts and caricatures>this causes the Toby zealots to seethe and start getting racist back at them, unsurprisingly while the spics and BRs can dish it out they can't handle it when it washes back up on them>it gets so bad that Fangamer guys might be at risk of being doxxed and shit, so Toby himself steps in to comment on the situation>all hate steers directly to Toby, Fangamer forgotten, the shitshow rides out until Chapter 5 announcement, all is forgotten
>>4082009the tldr is that the ut concert was skipping over the third world shitholes and the latinx started bitching about how toby favoured the english and nip communities over themtoby, for some godforsaken reason, called out from his ivory tower citing the reason why there was no latinx translation was because he didn't know the language, and that their mail had something insane like an 80% theft rate which is why fangamer only offered the maximum security shipping option naturally, they chimped out and started calling him a jew and toby clammed up, again
>>4082018All the spic shitposts calling Toby Jewish are hilarious.
>>4082019>and that their mail had something insane like an 80% theft rate which is why fangamer only offered the maximum security shipping optionIt got completely glossed over in public consciousness from what I remember but I always found that the funniest part
>>4082022It is the thing society and especially undertale fans fear acknowledging the most, statistics
>>4082019 funny thing is that the band is playing in south american countries anyway, so now they look like bigger fools
>>4082018i wonder if there's gonna be a part 2 to this
>>4082023>undertale fans fear acknowledging the most, statisticsWhat.
>>4082026Statistics as in ATK, DEF, LV, etc
>>4082026he's the bird npc guy
>>4082026Numbers are scary as hell
>>4082019>and that their mail had something insane like an 80% theft rate which is why fangamer only offered the maximum security shipping optioni don't remember him saying that
>>4081988Undertale stuff about its anniversary like the FF collab, too soon for Deltarune stuff.
>>4082027>>4082028>>4082029So which of you is the liar, which of you is telling the truth, and which is gay?
>>4082015I would take the Undertale humans versus Kris all day, sorry.
>>4082018>>4082019The concert is going to spic countries already, that drama is old and busted now.
>>4082034It's a Deltarune thread. The flagship of the game is Suselle. Ergo everyone here is gay by association.
>>4082034i (>>4082028 me) am bisexual, so that narrows things down
>>4081593I mean it was definitely planned right? Undyne talks all big about how Alphys would tell Asgore to absorb the human souls and that just, never happens for no good reason
>>4081593It'll be in 7B, and it'll happen against Vessel, this murder freak who dares wear the likeness of Kris who only showed up after Kris and Noelle disappeared.
why does the weather duo become polyphobic if you don't get starwalker?
>>4081973Yeah EB is rife with millenial writing
>>4082045rouxls grooms his castle town kittens
>>4081988I seeing Pink it got me boner
>>4082043other than Alphys being a faggot the average UT player doesn't have in them to handle getting filtered back to back
>>4082002>what would deltarune fave think?Hmm>Damn [commies] stealing all my FREEDOMs...
>>4082045Because Rouxls is so rancid of a man that he completely turns them off from the idea of ever pursuing a polycule ever again.Starwalker, being a perfect being, immediately reverses this.
>>4082045Have you SEEN starwalker?
>>4082018>they can't handle it when it washes wetback up on themDude come on
>>4082055They can't. They start raging and chimping out if you start being racist towards them because it's "totally different" when someone that isn't of their ethnicity does it.
>>4082002>what would deltarune fave think?WOW THIS IS SO [depression pills for $1.99] CAN WE HIT [my wife] 1000?
>>4082054The first one or the knockoffs?
>>4082002>what would deltarune fave think?Suicide is badassI know its UT, close enough
>>4081584...wait, does that mean its Gilded Rose, as in the "Gilded Cage"?
>>4082057Wait are we talking about white people or some other group?>>4081584This proves that one, Kris is male and two, the ring mind controlled Noelle so it's not a real romance.
>>4082062Spics and BRs. That's what I meant.
>>4082002Frisk would just encourage me to stay determined and that would work for me>>4082060They're sister games, it counts.
>>4082065the kid that fell into the underground to die?
>>4082065DR and UT aren't related.
>>4082069Deltarune and Undertale are factually confirmed to be connected as of Chapter 5. Susie gave Sans the drawing.
>>4082069The marketing literally says Deltarune is Undertale's parallel story, and Toby constantly urges you to paly Undertale before playing Deltarune. They're objectively connected.
>>4082066That's Chara, we don't know why Frisk fell at all, but it probably wasn't suicide since she really wants to leave it.
>>4082074Lots of implications that Frisk was abandoned, so that put her out with a mission to find herself a new home, but just as the Kickstarter described it, she dared to climb Ebott to find shelter from the weather, and then fell into the underground.Thus priority #1 became leaving, and over the course of True Pacifist priority #2 is figuring out if she could maybe find a good home with the monsters (hence the choice to stay with Toriel, and why she asks Gerson unprompted about how Boss Monster aging would work if the Boss Monster had a human child.)
AAA goyslop companies will seriously look at a pixel garbage game slam mad bank twice in a row then turn right around and make Wolverine instead
>>4082078>filenamekris is the one who jorks ralsei, not the other way around
Reminder Chara is called murderboy in the internal code.
>>4082071>>4082072The characters are like actors, they look the same but star in different roles in each game.
>>4082078You can't outsource pixel slop to 5000 indians in a sweatshop
Deltarune? Great game. All 3 chapters are amazing, then you beat the Knight and it kind of feels like it ends early but that's just life.
>>4082081chara is toby's little chocolat do you think he would call his son that?
>>4082082That's great for your personal headcanon, but it doesn't explain why Toby REALLY wants you to play Undertale first if the two games have no relation.
>>4082075Why don't the monsters just climb out the hole
>>4082081Yeah, murder(tom)boy
>>4082085He would call his mommy that.
I've seen people mention how Toby's next game could be called "Unaltered"That would make sense as "Delta" in scientific terms means "change". The way the game was supposed to be was changed into something elseI would just find it hard to believe that Unaltered would just be Deltarune again except with minor changes like having Noelle instead of Susie
>>4082088Things can go in but not back out once inside
>>4082088Because the barrier is enter-only unless someone tries to cross while having both a human soul and monster soul.
>>4082075Yeah, I agree. I would still say she's against suicide and pro you staying determined.
>>4082091>next gameThis will be his last game. Believe me, he is my best friend and told me.
>>4082091if the lead-up for deltarune is to "unaltered" or "the original version of the game" that would make the sword route and playing the "original game" the single biggest and greatest piece of foreshadowing in the entire game and i might actually kneel to tobert
>>4082087That's just him acting like you need it so you'll buy it.
>>4082096If it was, then playing deltarune was pointless
>>4082078Why would I want to make a game with homos in it
>>4082075why cant frisk choose to stay with asgore or papyrus? i'd rather take anybody but toriel
>>4082098No, I think I'd get a lot out of seeing the differences myself.
>>4082096>you play as a real warrior really killing real monsters who want you deadHOLY BASED oh wait I can just get that from literally any jrpg
>>4082102people that flap their wrists for the idea of "undertale/deltarune except killing everything is the intended method of play" are really fucking weird
>>4082098Really makes you think, doesn't it?
>>4082102No you can't. Deltarune is replacing them
>>4082095toby said that deltarune is the next entry in the undertale series
>>4082062>it's not a real romanceYeah, right. There's nothing going on between them. Kris just happens to give rings specifically to Noelle. No one but Noelle can wear them for some reason.
>>4082098may as well kill myself now because doing anything is pointless
>>4082099You won't have to, you just have to release it
>>4082105You have schizophrenia.
>>4082100Toriel found the kid first, finders keepers and all that.
>>4082102Doesn't mean that's not goodIt would still be good
>>4082098It's just a chain of "you NEED to play this first" bullshit that's actually a scheme to get you to buy every game, even if those previous titles aren't actually all that necessary to the current one.Undertale doesn't mean SHIT to Deltarune thus far aside from theorybait, so Deltarune wouldn't mean shit to Unaltered aside from making you sad that Susie's just a one-off asshole bully.
>>4082103its not weird, it's just that the utdr games themselves prove with certainty why the majority games don't follow the hippie left "you must spare everybody and you're, like, the bad guy for possessing this person, broo" shit from UTDR
>>4082115>the hippie left "you must spare everybody and you're, like, the bad guy for possessing this person, broo" shit from UTDRThat's nothing like UTDR.
here's another clue for you all:the roaring knight is paul
>>4082116its intention is to groom the player into pacicuckism, it clearly wants you to think that way.
>>4081968How far did you get in Earthbound? Because the game is fucking miserable until you get Paula
>>4082102Nah Toby would still just put in acting and sparing again because people would riot if they had to hurt the cute enemies
>>4082078This may come as a surprise, but Marvel characters like Wolverine has a much bigger mainstream appeal than a furry pixel game You gotta remember that the average normalfag (AAA main demographic) is more likely to play AAA cinematic game like nu-God of War than an indie game (unless that game is super mainstream like Silksong)While it may not seem like it, Deltarune falls under its own niche and that is being a quirky pixel game (not even sure if i should call it an RPG at this point), it's just that it is the most successful game in that niche
Are you guys expecting a happy ending? I sure don't want one. I'm hoping for a epic tragedy sufferkino and at least one of these teenagers doesn't come out of this alive no matter what.I wouldn't want Kris to die because it seems they want to commit suicide so badly the point of the story is to dissuade Kris out of it.Susie is fucked but the true ending should save herI don't particularly care if Noelle dies in the Normal route but she should go to super mega Hades in the WRRalsei dying in a disappearing forever sense could work great to contrast a message his life was worth living and real even if it's gone
>>4082127I want an unhappy ending and I fully expect the game not to deliver
>>4082127>Ralsei dying in a disappearing forever sense could work great to contrast a message his life was worth living and real even if it's goneI like the idea of that he is the forest in Hometown and even though we have to close the Dark Fountain and we'll never get to talk to him again, he'll continue to watch over Hometown until the end of time.To constantly be there for Kris and Susie even as they grow old. That when they're struggling, they can go under a tree and feel just a little bit warmer. And one day Ralsei will watch them die
>>4082131ralsei is a titan or titan spawns and theyre made of courage so maybe...
>>4082131He can't be the forest, he has fire powers. Maybe he is a jew lurking in the forest.
>>4082134You know that's even more evidence he's the forest right, because of Earthbound
the heat wave killed my posting for about two weeks, anything cool I missed?truth be told I'm souring on this game now that the dust has settledIn the wild I'll see some back and forth about>Deltarune? You mean that tranny game?>Nuh uh it's not a tranny game, Kris has no confirmed gender!!But I've seen the line, the one about Susie saying King and Queen feels like it doesn't apply to her and Kris, and I know the truth in my hearttranny game, just like Undertale. What did you expect, really?
>>4082127I'm hoping Weird Route's ending will be a better version of SMT IV Apocalypse's evil ending.
>>4082127I'm expecting an universe reset tier ending where everything ends and is reborn, I don't expect a happy ending to the current cast.
>dude what if Deltarune's ending was DOGSHIT?idk man there are so many games that just end on a "fuck you for playing" note that I think if a game just said>This game is happy end!It'd be a fucking subversion in 2026
>>4082145i feel like a bittersweet ending would be the most fitting not sure what flavour though, maybe a 'shit's fucked but things will be better if we try' like eva would be the most fitting
>>4082145I hate to break it to you, but if in the event you're actually someone trying to talk about the game, but this thread is full of /v/ jannies and fags from /vg/ trying to retroactively and concurrently make deltarune a failure by spamming a random hodgepodge of vaguely Deltarune themed words.
>>4082139is that the one where you become a god with a sex slave of your choosing?would be edgekino desu
>>4082145>If the ending isn't 100% happy then it's badalright man
>>4082152>can't talk about Deltarune on /v/>can't talk about deltarune on /vrpg/I'm as oppressed as Berdly, gamers when do we rise up
>>4082154unironically that ending makes wading through the rest of the story worth it in the end every time
>>4082145I don't think anyone here thinks the game will say you're a bad person for playing it or anything like "fuck you for playing". A sad or bittersweet ending doesn't necessarily need to be spiteful.
>>4082139>>4082154this shit sounds peak as fuck, alright, tell me more about it, do i have to play and know about the other games or
Had a dream where there was a sequence in the normal route at the end of Chapter 6 where you had to continuously press buttons to gradually make Kris break down and show more agency and show that they know their life (or at least Dark Worlds) is a video game, at one point they explain GameMaker since it also exists in-universe and Kris and Noelle messed around with it and they noticed some similarities. It took place in the Undertale battle format but it wasn't really a battle, just a set of QTEs pretty much. At the end it's revealed that Kris really wants to kill a specific, extremely annoying math-based Darkner introduced that chapter, because they fucking hate math. Like actually kill him. You have the choice to either let them do it or to try to prevent it. If they do it, they smile menacingly like the end of Chapter 1. If they don't do it, they break down crying. Either way, that becomes the cliffhanger going into Chapter 7.
I don't know why people want Assgore again, I want a real fight against full power Toriel after she's found out we've done terrible things
>>4082145>dude what if Deltarune's ending was DOGSHIT?The people saying this only do so due to pattern recognition
>>4082145>>dude what if Deltarune's ending was DOGSHIT?after being burned MULTIPLE TIMES with stories that were great for their first half only to die at the 2nd half due to retarded authorial decisions, I really don't have much hope after all that happened in chapter 5 and toby having to come out with a "please guys it will make sense when its done I swear!" plea on the newsletter after the mixed feeback
>>4082160I'm not voxgod or anything but just go to /utg/
>>4082170>Had a dream whereThe fan games thread is a few threads down
>>4082180
>big noelle knight post ok neat>noelle's it lusts for susie>knight is some kinda darkner>ralsei has kris' soulit's decent enough but those points are badsorry for the r*ddit linkhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1w8d66o/the_comprehensive_summary_of_noelleknight_evidence/?share_id=GhoVOKteVioPgPSX0UVBC&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
>>4082185Thanks for this absolutely worthless post
>>4082165I don't think SMT IV Apocalypse is a very good game so here's your advance warning, but something about how you're delivered a mindbroken version of ANY of your female party members by the end really made me think of Weird Route.
>>4082165SMT 4 Apocalypse is the side story of SMT 4. Technically, you do not need to play 4 to understand 4A, Apocalypse will explain everything it needs to for that, but playing 4 first will give you a greater amount of context. Though naturally, Apocalypse does spoil 4 by its nature, so you should play 4 first if you care about that.Otherwise, you can just play Apocalypse and understand it perfectly fine. As for the spoiler, the only heads up I feel you need is that the route split isnt until very late into the game, and no matter how much you dont like some people you have to (mostly) cooperate with them until that point. You can however be as rude as you want getting there, and there are genuine moments where you are given the choice to be a FUCKING TRAITOR genuinely, the protag wont pussy out and it is usually as effective as you'd assume (IE, when someone is held hostage, you do have the option of telling them to fuck off and get a free hit in if you genuinely do not care. That kind of interaction). Let the hatred build and flow, it is absolutely worth it in the end. And of course, the game itself is genuinely really fun to play
>>4082189erm, we believe in noelle knight on this board froggy kun it may be possible to salvage the actually decent points in that to a more coherent theory
>>4082195this is a rudy knight country, who the hell are you?
>>4082192>but playing 4 first will give youan aneurysm due to how dumb 4A is in comparison.>genuine genuine genuine genuineI feel like the people who feel the need to emphasize this or "honestly" only do so because they aren't normally genuine or honest.
>>4082197rudy lost 1000 izzat when he broke his ass falling off a ladder he has no aura and thus, can no longer be the knight
>>4082192what about SMT 1, 2 and 3?
>Everyone changes. 'cept us.>Kris. YOU changed!Wait, what does it mean?
>>4082204Kris was one way before then became different
>>4082199but the weird route shows his ass is fine and dandy (we checked)https://youtu.be/htnN8Lb3DK4?t=970
>>4082198I emphasize it because we are in the deltarune thread, the game where if you try to act even slightly out of line the protag will fight back at you and refuse to let it happen. 4A doesnt pull that shit, if you want edgekino it will give you that.And yes 4A has a ton of problems, I wont deny that, but for what intrigued anon specifically it does that really well. The gameplay is not one of those problems either, so if it still has that to fallback on. Otherwise, yeah the characters are fucking retarded, the normal route has a stupid ending and they do kind of ruin the evil ending at the last second but its still worth it desu. But them being retarded just makes doing the anarchy route satisfying in the first place>>4082202I mean you should play them regardless but save for 1-2 the numbered games dont really follow up on the last game's story. It's like final fantasy or dragon quest in that regard. If you just want to try Apocalypse you dont need to play them, but I'm biased and say you should because I fucking love SMT in general
>>4082209The crazy thing is I look like that
>>4082206presumably it's before that, given that carol was the one who phones noelle about rudy and she's not around
>>4082209Me at the top
Nothing to read into there.
>>4082207well, alright then, ill try it out
Can we all agree that in Ch4 the Knight is constantly looking for something? Whenever we see it they're constantly looking at the background, left to right.
>>4082215anybody know where can i download the game for free tho?
>>4082220Toriel, maybe?
>>4082207Yeah, the supermajority of games don't have the player character and protagonist separated like Deltarune, which is again why it's weird how much you emphasize it. It makes it sound like you consider Deltarune's premise one of its "flaws".
>>4082225It's a flaw when it prevents you from making progress at literally any time
>>4082222Yeah, the internet. You fucking retarded faggot.
>>4082226Progress is approaching chapter 7 and doing whatever you can within the bounds the game presents.If you can't do it it isn't "progress".
>>4082228That's stupid. Don't present something as something I should do if I can't do it by playing the game.There's this other game I'm playing as we speak that makes it so the things you actively collect(which you could miss) do genuinely allow you to progress to the new areas.As it stands, you could go straight to chapter 7 and nothing of value would be lost.
>>4082220a code maybe? i somewhat doubt this because the knight can already enter the shelter but who knows not gerson, as presumably it left the shadow crystal for himperhaps a certain panel of the prophecy? one that nobody else is aware of due to the fragmentary nature of the known prophecy
>>4082230tori always loved age gap selfcest...
>>4082231Nothing was presented as "something you should do". Things were presented as important elements in the plot to come that have indeed been important.>There's this other game I'm playing as we speak that makes it so the things you actively collect(which you could miss) do genuinely allow you to progress to the new areas.So what, if you miss them you... have to go back and get them otherwise you can't progress? That doesn't sound like you're violating the pace of the story and collecting them early, it sounds like you just have the option to skip picking up a necessary item after it's presented to you.
>>4082213To get the good ending, you will have to beat the game without saving
>>4082220Theoretically it was taking another swing at kidnapping Toriel, but I think it might've been looking for spots to make another fountain. There are titanspawn hanging out somewhere before the Titan actually shows, right? Maybe you can only get a Titan to hatch so fast if you make a fountain somewhere there's already enough deep darkness to make TitanSpawn, and it was looking for the exact spot it needed to do that.
>>4082225Whether or not it's an objective flaw is irrelevent, something doesnt have to be definitively "Bad" for you to want something else. Evidently, some people dont like that aspect of Deltarune and want to look elsewhere. All I'm doing is pointing out where it can be found
>>4082237Wouldnt the game force you to make a save after beating a chapter, overwriting Kris' name anyway?
>>4082241In nearly every other game ever made? Or do you mean specifically the offer to do edgy shit that the game acknowledges as edgy? That's still not exactly uncommon to my memory...
>>4082234>So what, if you miss them you... have to go back and get them otherwise you can't progress?Correct. They directly make the new areas accessible. Locks and Keys and all that good stuff.
>>4082227im searching it up and i cant find shit so im asking here dumbass
The sun will not come back up in chapter 6. Calling it. The fountains have to fill the sky for the Roaring to begin. And so far, not a single one managed to even poke through a building.
>>4082245Yeah, that doesn't sound like something Deltarune ever tried to offer. It made no illusions of your actions in ch1 mattering to the core setup of ch2.
>>4082244The latter. Apocalypse is definitely not the only example of it, but even outside this conversation its one of the first that comes to mind for me that goes as far as it does. A lot of games will pussy out and find an excuse to not let you fully follow through, and hell Apocalypse still does that to an extent because the party member thatd be most betrayed by your heelturn is already dead by unrelated causes so you dont have to kill them yourself, but it still goes extremely far with what horrible acts you can follow through with on screen through gameplay. Your character doesnt have to stop and piss his pants the second the enemy has ""Leverage"" against him, you can call the bluff and reap both the benefits and consequences of that action and feel it in direct gameplay. Not a lot of games can say that I feel
>>4082242I don't know
>>4082249>A lot of games will pussy out and find an excuse to not let you fully follow throughWhat? What the hell are you talking about?>spoilerYou specifically feel like you were a little robbed because you didn't get to backstab the MC's childhood friend yourself? I've played 4A, I know how it goes. It still seems like it should upset the type of people who are upset by genocide or the weird route by virtue of things like the "real" hero coming back a barely sentient husk and your lone chosen companion being explicitly a puppet. The way I see it, these kinds of complaints always emerge in comparison. No matter how gleefully edgy the game is or lets you be, there's always something that wasn't presented enough like a pure win on the player's part that will thus lead to the same kind of complaint. Deltarune aims to push this to its logical conclusion by making the answer to the usual "why can't I REALLY do the edgy route?" questions BLINDINGLY obvious.>why can't I make the protagonist do [even edgier thing]?Because you aren't in full control. The edgy route still existing is not a requirement Toby is begrudgingly fulfilling. It's there to say something beyond "isn't it fun to be edgy?"
>>4082248Not much of an adventure, is it?
>>4082253>What? What the hell are you talking about?I literally explain in that spoiler follow up, thats what Im refering to. You're the one who said 4A was dumb, but when I agree and back up YOUR claim now I'M the one complaining? I'm just trying to admit that yes it is not perfect, I'm trying to say its a masterpiece I'm saying its a really good game even if it has flaws too.
>>4082255I'm NOT* trying to say its a masterpiece, fuck me
>>4082255>thats what Im refering toOkay then. I think that's kind of confusing. "Follow through" to me would generally have more to do with the ending or final results of your actions, rather than one specific betrayal committed at about the 80% mark not being able to directly affect a character who died earlier than that. Which once more leads to my point that these complaints sound like cooking up edgier things you could've done if the story were slightly different rather than logical things that "could've" or "should've" happened but the game "failed the follow through". I know it's a pretty good game, I like it, I'm not the guy who called it dumb.
>>4082260>spoilerLet me clear, Im trying to dance around it because some people dont listen to a spoiler and read it anyway, yes it is literally one person you dont get to kill, when you get to kill literally every single other party member on the evil route yourself. I was not trying to say that ruins anything or that its a real complaint and shouldntve been the case, I was just pointing out even apocalypse expressed a limit to show that its rare to go all the way in general. You still get to be extremely edgy in a satisfying way otherwise, one slip up doesnt ruin the whole thing here, not even close.I also believe theres a difference between a game saying you do something and letting you actually do it through gameplay. I tried stressing that part for a reason. If its in gameplay, you can FEEL the weight of your actions. We've all played Undertale here, hopefully you know what Im talking about. Some games would leave hard actions like that behind a text box or cutscene, something more impersonal, but Apocalypse lets those actions feel like real things (You) did that had tangible effects. Maybe you dont agree and think there isnt a difference, and I'd get that, but that's why I sound so weird about this. The bottom line is if you want edgekino, I say Apocalypse is a great choice for it.>I know it's a pretty good game, I like it, I'm not the guy who called it dumb.Sorry about that then, threads so dead around these times I assumed you were the same guy
>>4082231>you could go straight to chapter 7 and nothing of value would be lost.Do you say this about books too? "You can just skip to the last page and see the ending so reading is pointless" If you skip over every chapter, it won't make sense because DELTARUNE IS A LINEAR STORY. It is a LINEAR STORY that uses GAMEPLAY as the METHOD IN WHICH YOU PROGRESS THE NARRATIVE. By playing you are simply doing a more mechanically complicated version of flipping a page. This is how every video game in existence works you fucking retard.
>>4082225The execution leaves a bit to be desired.
>>4082246You are clearly fucking awful at searching if you can't find it. No, I will not spoonfeed you. I'm actually in awe at how bad you are at this.
>people are unironically in this thread arguing that deltarune is about how playing video games is evilcan we just like theorize about the holiday mansion darkners or something i think the excess doomerfagging is giving us brain damage
>>4082237>>4082250That would neat if not tedious, but the same wiki page details that clearing the chapter without saving still overwrites his file with yours. Eternal Kris kuckoldry.
>>4082268the CoL mindvirus... it's spreading
>>4082265No, books are not the same, because books have all the book in them. That is not how every video game works. I could pull out any collectathon platformer and show you how your progress is made by collecting a certain amount of stars or puzzle pieces that you need to get from level to level.I could even pull out Dragon Quest 7 and show you how collecting fragments directly leads to new islands being accessible, and thus the next part of the story, if you want a jrpg example.
>>4082265>you could go straight to chapter 7 and nothing of value would be lost.I don't think this was a thing before 5, so I'm guessing when people say this they really mean you could go from 4 to 7 and not lose much.
>>4082273Progress, in this case is gaining a better understanding of the story and characters and not the collection of arbitrary tokens and trinkets or whatever the fuck you want here.
>>4082267>"i have no idea either but i'm too prideful to admit it so i'll act like i know but wont help"
>>4082268Toby legitimately needs to apologize to us specifically for how Chapter 5 turned out, it's not even being a schizo or snowflake to say that he made it the way he did in order to spite the fanbase. This wouldn't even be an issue but the game had been solid for 4 chapters straight, ended on a decent note, then 5 comes in with "hey you know how you're a fan of UT and DR? fuck you."
>>4082276Nice try. Last (You) from me, little zoomie.
>>4082275But i love that shit.
>>4082278alright then, i'm sure the shower will help you find a proper counterargument
Honestly, Noelle seems more of a tomboy than Susie. Noelle runs track, Susie gets picked last in gym.
>>4082281noelle is chubby and catti is obese and cutemeanwhile, Susie is actually thin and somewhat built.if fitness is what makes a woman a tomboy, then susie is still a tomboy
>>4082264>spoilerYeah, I think I get it, I'm just kvetching a little over your use of the term "all the way". Do you think there's a game out there that DOES go all the way? Do you think such a game could exist, if it doesn't already? Where do you get your idea of what it looks like?>Some games would leave hard actions like that behind a text box or cutsceneEither we've played very different games or I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about, because it sounds like you're confusing two different types of intent. A game only letting you do the evil stuff in a text box or a cutscene sounds like a game giving you an "evil ending" at a climactic point. If the gameplay only exists on one of the "routes" then there's only meant to be one route, the others are endings and/or epilogues. Does that make sense?If there is a game out there with a real "evil route" but where the evil shit mostly happens in fade to black text boxes annd cutscenes and stuff, with most of the gameplay being identical otherwise, I'd be interested to see it.>Apocalypse lets those actions feel like real things (You) did that had tangible effectsYeah this is part of the issue, I rarely feel this personal connection to the events I technically caused. I want to learn about the world, plot, and characters. All I'm really doing is fulfilling the conditions required to see more of them. I do like games that acknowledge suffering because seeing a character at the edge is helpful to learning about them, it gives you ideas about what they'd be like both at their best and worst. So I'm not a fan of people who cry about being mean to characters. But I'm also not a fan of the opposite, those people who find every character that isn't a deaf-mute with a combat fetish to be "annoying" and are motivated to do evil routes out of spite for those characters.>Sorry about that then, threads so dead around these times I assumed you were the same guyIt's all good, man. We're in the same trash bin down here.
>>4082282Susie's flabby, it's all just fat
>>4082145There is zero chance the ending for Deltarune will be happy. Bittersweet at best.
Mmmm my trackstar doe gf...
>>4082281noelle is a three dimensional characteroutwardly she seems to be a somewhat plain girl who's very smart, but her hobbies include cross country, glitching video games, and running her blog she also has an interest in horror and likes christmasshe may also have an interest in anime, based on her mother being a weeb and her woodblade2 line being her wanting kris to use the '1000 moon crescent slash'that last one is a bit weird though, given that the knight has an unused move called 'crescent slash'i wonder how she knows that
>>4082286fitelle...
>>4082287Kriselle knight that's why
Noelle using her track star skills to zoom across the mansion to Kris's aid and point-blank freeze spamton
>>4082281Noelle is a tomboy but acts demure, Susie is demure but acts like a tomboy.
>>4082292wish I could rape him
>>4082284Can't be since all she eats is imaginary dark food
>>4082292When do I get pretty princess Sooz
>>4082292wish he could rape me
>>4082287>Noelle good because she has too many character traits that cover every type of appealI believe we call that.......being a mary sue.
>>4082295Lancer Industries has got you covered
>>4082292this is what he wears when he gives kris the 12 inches btw
>almost no art making maddie a femboyit fucking sucks here
>>4082301Yeah it does suck, I hate when femboyfags invade the thread
>>4082297the narrative doesn't suck noelle off enough for her to be a mary sueshe also has things that are portrayed as negative, like her strangling berdly (even if it's a joke others are still put off by it) and her morality is a bit iffy, remember that she doesn't object to killing the addison because she thinks it's wrong, she objects because she doesn't believe herself capable of doing it
>>4082301this town ain't big enough for two femboys
>>4082298Not in my save file, I killed him.
>>4082298He made princess sooz a lesbian fuck him
>>4082307That is quite literally not an option. You are delusional.
>>4082287Probably knows about or guesses "crescent slash" for the same reason she says the Shadow Mantle belongs to somebody "taller", meaning either Kris or Dess depending on the point of her childhood
>>4081519hey I just remembered another example>Chapter 5, The Field of Pink and Gold.
I like that dess guitar darkner that’s been making the rounds recently.
>>4082314dess guitar darkner is too cool of an idea but it could actually advance the plot forward, so tobias won't allow it to exist
>>4082314I'm going to be honest, I don't like any of the fan darkners or fan dark world versions of lightners so you should probably not post any.
>>4082316So far it’s more likely that any dark world be made in the hospital for Rudy. Holiday mansion dark world was cool but I don’t see a reason for it to exist.
Is the Knight Kris's soul or some other intrinsic part of him made separate?>his poses, ACT point, obsession with blades, the two share some abilities with the SWOON slash Kris pulls against his party members>has the qualities of a lightner but still has supernatural abilities in the light world, albeit only in dead of night>pulls some Undertale amalgamate shit with its body morphing which is load-bearing for possessing DETERMINATION>Knight and Kris "share a will" proven by the total lack of difference between dark worlds Kris makes and dark worlds the Knight makesSo Kris the disembodied soul and Kris the shell would both be wandering around, possessed of the same will and possibly the same consciousness (at minimum they're on the same page even if separate consciousness) but the shell needs (You) to not waste away to nothing and pull the plan off, something that requires Kris to literally be in two places at once as two separate but connected entities
>>4082316What do you think he meant by “the fun adventures are over and one thing will be clarified”?
>>4082316We probably won't even see any Darkners in Chapter 6 that aren't frozen over, albeit they're bronzed instead of iced, so any of the quirk chunguses that could go "Oh Kris, Oh Noelle! Remember all that fun you used to have together? Remember DESS!?" won't be there for what's supposed to be the start of the "no more fun and games" portion of the game.
>>4082323even with this clarified thing, the overall plot will barely advance. it will be like pic related
>>4082322Knight is just the vessel body and "Kris'" soul is just the vessel's soul, that's all. Maybe the Knight has Kris' actual soul or something. Freaky Last Thursday.
>>4082324He did say that there wouldn’t be any more quirks chunguses. But I interpret it as “No more silly darkners. All of them will be more serious going forward” That or it’s all focused on Carol and Noelle.
>>4082320>I don’t see a reason for it to exist.I felt the same way about the flower shop dark world so that doesn't really rule it out.
>>4082328it could work like the non jackeinstein darkners from chapter 4, where they weren't all jokes but not 100% serious, but definitely not marketable enough to have merch made of it. remember toby just said to expect less merch from chapter 6 and 7 based stuff, but not no merch
>>4082303susie becomes the real Mary sue after chapter 2
>>4082329>I felt the same way about the flower shop dark world so that doesn't really rule it out.it made sense when people speculated it would be asgore opening it after his foreboding dialogue in 4, kris opening it still has no explanation (and we likely won't get it until chapter 7 if t all unless that is the one thing toby mentioned)
I wonder how Toby would handle the angel doll darkner
>>4082283>Do you think there's a game out there that DOES go all the way?Im sure there is I just dont know it yet or I cant remember it off the top of my head. This is just an autistic pattern I notice in a lot of games with evil routes, somewhere the author does something that forces your evil action to not be quite as impactful. Characters leave the story instead of getting killed off, some get killed early so they can cushion the betrayal aspect, or if they're a special type of hack they go back and say "Actually you're aiding the good guys by being evil you just dont know it", though that one is VERY rare and iirc I've only seen it once>Either we've played very different games or I'm misunderstanding what you're talking about, because it sounds like you're confusing two different types of intentI keep bringing it up, if you did play Apocalypse you know what Im refering to with the hostage example. When one of the bosses grabs your party member and holds her hostage, you have the option to completely ignore this and disregard her safety. This choice isnt just a "do evil, dont do evil" choice, there's effects to it in the gameplay. If you dgaf, you get a FREE hit on the boss right there, but in exchange the dedicated Power of Friendship resource takes a hit because you didnt care about your friend, whereas if you capitulate you give the enemy the advantage that turn but your Friendship power gets stronger. That's what Im refering to by stating "In gameplay", its not just saying you did evil, the act actually affected the flow of the core gameplay in a way deeper than "You're fighting this guy now">But I'm also not a fan of the opposite, those people who find every character that isn't a deaf-mute with a combat fetish to be "annoying" and are motivated to do evil routes out of spite for those characters.I'd say I have VERY valid reasons for wanting my party members dead in 4A, but I dont have enough space so here's two words. "Cafe Florida"
>>4082287>woodblade2 flavor text>unused move called 'crescent slash'damn i didn't know about any of this. yknow between these and her not saying anything when equipping the black shard, i think im actually starting to believe noelleanon. the possible parallel between kris and noelle in the festival hammer game and the knight creating a fountain as soon as you close one is curious, and it might not be freaky coincidences after all. still can't wrap my head around the idea that she's "daydreaming" and kris just knows. like, they're still coordinating their plans like that? with carol?
>>4082337same way he did the how to draw dragons darkner :)
>>4082341angel doll is one of the only things in Rudy’s hospital. How to draw dragons was “haha Asriel is a scalie”
>>4082339noelle has explicit disassociation issues and compartmentalizes her trauma, to the point where she just blanks out when something is happening on the weird route she isn't aware she killed the addison for the freezering, and immediately gaslights herself that he just gave it to her when she actually froze himshe's almost certainly doing something similar if she's the knight
>>4082323wing ding
>>4082324>they're bronzed instead of icedthat's a neat idea people haven't touched yetwhat if this was the GALLERY?
>>4082287>she may also have an interest in anime, based on her mother being a weeb and her woodblade2 line being her wanting kris to use the '1000 moon crescent slash'>that last one is a bit weird though, given that the knight has an unused move called 'crescent slash'It fits with the idea that Kris is emulating Dess, at any rate.
What's Asriel's purpose in this world?The guy is not there, the dead kid tropes were stolen by the deer.
>>4082338Actually following up on the last point because this is really funny, I actually DISLIKE those "deaf-mute combat fetishists" party members in smt most of the time. I dont give a fuck about the SMT 1 heroine for instance because of this exact reason, she has nothing going for her beyond being the only human spellcaster avaliable to me and the attempts to flesh her out boiled down to "I am mentally programmed to follow you no matter your beliefs and assume them as my own". She also cockblocked me from having Lilith on my team despite going Chaos, I can never forgive her for that
>>4082351>Death stolen by Dess>Flowey plotline stolen by Roaring Knight>Theatrics stolen by Flowery>Name stolen by RalseiTo be grifted.
>>4082318Toby....you had a sandbox of infinite opportunities with darkners. And you chose not to use it. And you had the gall to say the light worlds and the dark worlds are just simulations
>>4082351undertale reference throw a bone to the people who were upset that asriel died young theory bait
Why can't dess just stay deadI don't want her to be the big villain character because I don't care about her, her story is over
>>4082355>throw a boneWHERE THE FUCK IS PAPYRUS TOBY I BEG OF YOU
>>4082351To come back, flex his degree, and dish out the big backstory until your ears falls off
>>4082356She's not. Even if she WAS the Knight, Dess would be the chief enforcer of the real antagonist.
>>4082351>What's Asriel's purpose in this world?To bait UT fans into getting invested in during chapter 1.
>>4082356don't worry she's not the antagonistshe's a creepy ass ghost tho
>>4082361Rudybros? Our main is a pedo...?
>>4082357with asriel in college along with frisk and charathey're roommates
>>4081496has spookydood ever been right about anything? every video he is just complaining against a popular theory because it isn't what he "feels" would fit with deltarune, and all his other theories were wrong (for reference, this is the guy that came up with woody theory)
>>4082362it's the defining holiday family trait at this point
>>4082364>Chapter 6 is just Kris getting a selfie of Asriel, Papyrus, Chara and Frisk at the beach and crying to sleep with the soul
>>4082362he wouldn't his entire family may have groomed kris on amino (and roblucks) but he's a good guy at heart
>>4082368Noelle can't groom Kris, silly.
>>4082365>for reference, this is the guy that came up with woody theoryi was gonna bring up a believable theory of his but now i dont care, that retarded theory made interacting with the fandom insufferable for years, good riddance.
>>4082316Dess' guitar is 100% guaranteed to be a darkner given how important it is but they aren't gonna look like Dess because that's not how darkners work. Darkners can only have the physical resemblance of a lightner if they're a plant or they contain a lightners dust.If i were to guess the guitar would be a princess, what with it being locked away in a metaphorical tower, (place?? ice palace??) and almost being captured by a dragon>>4082320The hospital would have like 5 darkners in it total, with the one interesting darkner (the angel doll) already existing in Carol's basement. Plus it wouldn't be that hard to find a reason to bring rudy into the Holiday residence.>>4082324Only the snowflakes were bronzed over, the other darkners are fine. My assumption here is that the darkners will just fucking hate Kris (the soul smearing itself over everything in the house, and Kris starving the santa toys to death.) and won't be friendly enough to do the chapter 3 darkner routine of going "Hey Kris! Remember when Dess used to pedophile groom you on Amino?">>4082332Toby fox didn't say there wouldn't be any more quirk chunguses, just that they won't be focused on.>>4082341The how to draw dragons book doesn't do anything important besides reveal the Dreemurr bloodlines tendency towards being scalies. The angel doll holds considerable thematic relevance to the story, and is explicitly focused on screen in a MANDATORY CUTSCENE.Anyways im pretty sure the angel doll proves that the aborted WR will have major divergances, since you never possess it in chapter 4's WR, it stays in the basement and the tree it was attached to never falls over.
>>4082371I guess you didn't have a friend inside you...
Why is everyone so convinced about the Holiday Manor dark world? Everything points towards the hospital.
did everybody forget this shit? this shit is in the demo, it's what people are gonna see before buying the game, and you mean to tell me that toby just baited the demo players into thinking we'd get cool shit in the paid version??? what a fucking hack
>>4082374holiday manor would be the perfect spot to finally reveal some secrets, the hospital is too bland in comparison. and if rudy really is on deathbed he could have been moved home as per carol's request since she "keeps everything important at home" and since she knows about dark worlds, she could want to preserve him
>>4082375...what am I supposed to get angry at in this image?
>>4082374the holiday house is primo fountain bait just like the flower shop wasthe hospital is a fine idea but there really isn't much there in the way of darkner potential, and a lot of it would be rehashing the few medical themed darkners in ch2honestly i think the dreemurr house has a pretty decent chance at being a 'real' dark world, as the one we saw was a hastily made cover up to keep (you) from learning anything substantial about kris or the rest of the family
>>4082375she told him offscreen :^)
>>4082374It's probably the most obvious location for a future dark world, just like Flower King was.
>>4082378Keep dreaming, Toby's too lazy to make new darkners now
>>4082377susie, the lying dyke, was actively lying to her supposed friend about her special alone time in the weird route with noelleshe promised to tell kris about it later, and completely neglected to do sowe must bring toby to court for this
>>4082371>i was gonna bring up a believable theory of hiswhich one? I genuinely can't think of anything, I watched all of his videos but the only thing I remember is him going "I just don't SEE it happening" when talking about stuff like dess and such
>>4082359Who? The optional secret boss?
>>4082268at the very least these threads have been an interesting case of retards willingly going through the role of a battered housewife instead of either just accepting their sunk cost or just dipping before future chapters get released
>>4082381Notice how all denial of the holiday mansion as a dark world and everything in it is just doomerfagging with no argument>Toby Fox wouldn't do this because he hates ME personally!
>>4082341Yeah this one was fucked up
>>4082382>she promised to tell kris about it later, and completely neglected to do soPlaying devil's advocate here, but things got a lot more hectic after Cyber World, I don't blame her for forgetting that.I don't care for a "by the way we kissed!" throwaway line.
>>4082377the fact that toby ack sets up shit then doesn't answer them?>>4082379when? and even then that sucks shit because why add that in and not tell you what it is at any point?? kris and noelle just went into the depths and next time we see susie we'll just kill her so we'll never get an answer on this shit ever
>>4082344I still don't know what she did to get past the electric barrier
>>4082389>when?in the cut to black scene after the sjelter opens between chapter 3 and 4
>>4082388Y-You were supposed to be autistic about this!
>>4082390noelle is immensely powerful, this is stated even on the normal route she probably froze the beam and shattered it
>>4082375Isn't this WR exclusive? Im pretty sure theres bigger fish to fry there.
>>4082354In my world, Yellow is a gay retarded faggot. Oh I guess that doesn't make him much different from UTY or its fans, does it?
>>4082375>did everybody forget this shit?The people who would be angry at this simply directed their rage and more egregious things.
>>4082386Chapter 5 showed off his incompetence for all to see.
>>4082375>HEY!What's he going to do about it? He literally isn't real. He's a fake person who stops existing as soon as the light switch is flipped.
>>4082391you mean when kris went to the bunker to give kris a good dicking, then came back to tv world to see susie be too busy repairing tenna and thinking about the knight to think about telling kris what happened the other day, then sealed the dark fountain and went to sleep?
>>4082395yes, and susie doesnt tell you at any point
>>4082388Happened during the movie marathon, get dunked on
>>4082386The Nagasagy Kikky Park was the nail in the coffin. He does not care about making something of actual substance. This is what we got in exchange for the dojo, or the music player.
>>4082400>kris went into the bunker to give kris a good dicking how the fuck did xhe do that?
>>4082404fuck i meant to say dess
>>4082394If she's powerful then how come she obeys me like a pet pokemon?
>>4082402I don't see how that concern me.
>>4082407Your lacking grammatical skills should concern you.
>>4082401You already got all needed substance from the conversation already. She told Noelle the dark world is just a dream and left, it would add literally nothing to discuss it further.>>4082403>Nagassagy Kikky Park of all thingsWhat, did you want to play the Mike Minigames again?
>>4082408Nah.
>>4082406she can proceed against (you)r will if she so chooses and much like a pokemon, she's overleveled (you)r ability to control her
>>4082409Yeah. You spent the time on the mini games, keep them in.I'm well within my rights to say I don't give a shit about some stranger's cat.
>>4082412>cats badKill yourself.
>>4082413>cats good i bet you're real friendly
>>4082412You know you can access the Mike Room at the end of chapter 4 right.
>>4082412but you're playing said stranger's game about cats????
>>4082409>What, did you want to play the Mike Minigames again?Ever noticed how vidya hub worlds usually work?But I get it, multiple projects yada yada because someone couldn't bother seeking better programmers.
>>4082414*scratches you*
col-kun.. you are whoring for attention again. at this rate, toby will finish deltarune before you release your mod. get to it!
>>4082414cats are good and cute and cool, back off
CoL why is the CoLrune mod progress so slow?
>>4082419Didn't he say he's waiting until the games all done
>>4082413Not his cat. My cats better anyway.
Kris playing the guitar in ch4 because he played it in the dark world
>>4082429* ...They're just alternating between the same two notes.
>>4082230Loli Yuri!!
>>4082338>somewhere the author does something that forces your evil action to not be quite as impactful.It sounds like the grass is always greener on the other genocide.But more seriously- "as impactful" as what? That's what I keep tripping over. Where are you getting your standards for what could've happened? Do the characters who leave "instead of getting killed off" leave by coincidence and stay by equal coincidence if you're not evil? Because then the operative part feels like it would be the character being removed without a real acknowledgement of your actions, not the fact that they don't die.>spoilerYeah. I'm aware of the type of event you're talking about. I just really didn't feel like I had a good grasp of what that opposed. Your stress on evil happening "through gameplay" only just clicked into making sense when you specified that you consider the flow of a fight to be a "gameplay change" but don't feel the same about changing which character you're fighting. I would consider both of those to be gameplay changes, and the fight I'm in to be a possibly more significant change.>I'd say I have VERY valid reasons for wanting my party members dead in 4AMaybe I'm just completely dead to the idea of being personally upset with video game characters because I can only recall them being grating at worst. And that made perfect sense, since they were essentially a Persona party dynamic being jammed into SMT come hell or high water, of course they'd have some stinkers. Those two words mean nothing to me, did I miss optional content or am I forgetting something?>>4082352I hadn't gone too far back in SMT so I wasn't aware that was actually a thing, lol.See, you're not the type of person I'm annoyed with. I really only dislike people who have a narrow, fixed idea of how a video game is "supposed to work". You have tastes, you want depth, you sometimes compromise between gameplay and writing goals, you're not the problem.
Noelle is a little bitch that is just a tool for the Player.
>>4082437no, she's our only friend in the lonely path to freedom
so whats up with the Rudinns?>the recolored rudinn in castletown knows about the players name from the gonermaker and knows about saving>rudinns are the only darkners to appear in MANCOUNTRY and the chapter 4 egg room>is a serpent, technically connecting it to FRIEND via cat/serpent dualism in deltarune>connected to the unknown placeholder enemy (GBODY/Echidna/WeatherDoll)
>>4082442Also their relation to "shining eyes" when the dark world is normally represented by blinded eyes. teru teru bozu also means "shine shine monk" in japanese. They also say "Shine, shine". wat mean.
>>4082442they're the in-between of floradinns and gaster friend eram lore stuff
>>4082442not sureall i know is that the rudinns in mancountry/ reception are the 7 flying aces kris made (and lost) as a kid
>>4082442A lot of this is explained in the egg room, forget which>Rudinns are cards>Kris made a few fake cards, and those cards also became rudinns>The fake cards weren't colored by default but Kris colored them in>The one that knows about the gonermaker name is a fake card, and comments on how they had to paint themselves red after their colors washed out again
>>4082442>>4082445The Rudinns in Art Therapy and Mancountry are the Flying Aces. Kris made them by hand, then lost them. The emphasis on them coming out colorless and Kris filling them in parallels what we know of Goners.But they take the same shape as regular Rudinns because that's simply the shape Kris and Noelle's collective imagination ascribed diamonds cards. And Kris saw the Flying Aces as cards, even if they were originally copies, so he saw them as Rudinns.The discolored Rudinn in Castle Town that knows too much is thus, by extension, likely a Goner.The shiny association might be an association to literal diamonds. Gemstones. I don't think we've seen particularly suspicious behavior from a normal Rudinn, have we?
>look into Toby's inspirations, Earthbound and Moon Remix and Undertale >simple direct games with simple messages>look at Deltarune>cynical, hates its fans, has to subvert everything about everythingWhere did it all go so wrong
>Knight changes shape>Kris changes outfits at will>Ralsei has a hat sometimes!!!
>>4082442Chapter 7 is seriously just going to be a bullet point list of what every little thing encountered throughout the game actually means, isn't it?
>>4082378A thing about chapter 6 is that there would be no more fun adventures. A hospital dark world would put all the focus on the lightner characters first. It’s sparse and there’s not much in the way of quirky enemies but Rudy is there and Noelle might try to make a fountain to heal him. This wouldn’t make up the majority of the chapter though, I’d give it about 30 minutes of playtime including cutscenes.>>4082469Toby does not hate his fans. He would not say all that stuff about imagining and creating if he wanted to assert his superiority over them.
>>4082463This still doesn't really address their connection to the Echidna/TeruTeruBozu/WeatherDoll besides being goner parallels... Or their resemblance to serpents, when DELTARUNE has put some amount of emphasis on serpents representing an unknown evil.Also i wouldn't dismiss the meaning of "Shine, Shine". The game brings up shining alot, and shining is more correlated with light rather than diamonds. Like with the lyrics for raise your bat, Gerson's words about the words of the prophecy shining too bright, the SOUL shining its light on fountains... etc.
>>4082469it all began on that horrible day in andrew hussie's basement...
>>4082469Hussiefication. He made it too big too fast with Undertale, and Deltarune got too ambitious in scope while he refused to be smart about making it out of fear that someone might spoil his fever dream that's the entire point of him taking up serious gamedev beyond what he was doing prior with romhacks and RPG Maker shitposts.
>>4082477I don't have anything to add or address about the other points. I support the direction you're looking, but cannot personally expand. I added what I could.
>>4082469Deltarune doesn't hate its fans and isn't subversive for its own sake. All of Toby's inspirations you listed were subversive too.
>>4082469>and Undertale>people still took the bait
Toby personally beat me up and hates me and is doing everything to spite ME specifically.
>>4082490Kris...
>>4082490That’s the thing I find ridiculous. You mean to tell me Toby would compose a song like catswing just to mock his fans for being curious? Like the mike trio aren’t supposed to be endearing?
>>4082493Toby made the Mikes to parallel the fan that is too obsessed with one thing (Battat) the fan that just likes cool shit (Jongler) and the fan that's just there (Pluey)
>>4082488Sometimes a bait is bloomed from a seed of truth
>>4082495>parallel*shit on
>>4082493i personally don't care for themnot out of active dislike, i just don't care about them existing they're more tolerable than skkk, if only because they're mostly optional
>>4082498Mike BROKE you.
>>4082498Sure he’s played for laughs but It’s not like he’s in the wrong for wanting to find out who mike is.
>>4082503And it's not like he's wrong about Mike existing either. Tenna mentions him multiple times even after Chapter 5, so unless Mike was a collective hallucination he's real. What's more important is where did Mike go after Spamton left?
>>4082504My interpretation is that he's been forgotten man'd, or in the process of it.Perhaps... the cats got him.
>>4082325I don't think the ghosts are capable of being harmed unless they fuse with somethingMaybe the Knight just yelled at Napstablook to get in the shelter and he reluctantly went along with it
>Kris enters the Shelter with us still thereNothing comes of it>Kris gives Susie the knife that presumably turns into some ultra-powerful weapon and Susie never gave it backNothing comes of it and Kris just randomly has the knife back laterThese plot holes bother me way too much
>>4082515>>Kris enters the Shelter with us still thereEarly foreshadow that the SOUL is its own entity the same way (You) are neither Frisk nor Chara despite their links to you, and it seems the SOUL is reluctantly in cahoots with Kris as well, forcing a disconnect on your connection to DELTARUNE so you can't see what he was going into the shelter to do. Weird Route is helping SOUL break free of Kris so it can inhabit Vessel and become its own character proper, and this is why Spamton is basically the only character to acknowledge the SOUL as something worth stealing.
>>4082507Rahu ahh bih
>>4082515The first was because we lost connection duh.
>>4082425can't col just release a demo? most mods want to make it to chapter 7 too but you dont see them waiting fifty years, they just work on it now then start releasing it bit by bit
I surprised there is no fanart of a Susie-Noelle amalgamate.>I loved somebody beautiful...>...and somebody strong.>My heart was a bomb.>To make somebody suitable...>I didn't waste time,>I had the two combined.
>>4082528thats because itd be suselle copying kriselle's homework, it wouldnt hit the same and it'd be admitting that kriselle is so good that susellefags would have to copy kriselle in order to make it seem cooler
https://files.catbox.moe/5uauzx.mp4Sorry if it's slop but I can't remember if we discussed that extensively with Chapter 5 release.
>>4079777I find that Darkners actually have a pretty high tolerance for weird nonsense and it takes a LOT for them to completely schizo out. It seems that every single one of the fuckers knows much more than they let on, yet they remain silly little goobers that throw bullet patterns around for fun.
>>4082526It's easier and cheaper to shitpost in a thread than it is to ask deepseek to code for you
>>4082529Are we sure that's why or is this just shippers projecting their endless console war onto everything else?
>>4082530Eh, it's probably nothing.
>>4082531yet spamton, who knows about the soul, is a schizo.maybe those darkners are schizos too
>>4082532ooo, let me guess, the reason why he doesn't work faster is because he keeps running out of credit on the ai after asking it to write some shit and he doesn't know shit so he needs to wait a gorillion years before he can ask it to generate more code?
Do you think all the foreshadow wank will mean anything or is it really just going to be "you know that thing in a later chapter? well in an earlier chapter it said something would happen in a later chapter."
>>4081544That GIF looks pretty choppy, here are some cleaner oneshttps://catbox.moe/c/gphh60
>>4082544Noooo now I have to save all of them nooooooo
Is there a Deltarune character you think you would have sex with if you got to spend time with them?
>>4082533I saw some '''''wr''''' s*selle, so yeah kinda, nr is boring and safe that they have to copy kriselle angst
>>4082530It's clear the Knight has been kidnapping people that aren't in on the conspiracy and have the codes. Toriel has 100% the Deltarune code, that's why the Knight tried to kidnap her in both Chapter 3 and 4. It will probably do so again at the end of Chapter 6 but not before allowing Susie to know the last code, leading to the final Chapter being in the Shelter.
>>4082530The 4th photo fucks me up, what does it mean exactly?Is there some sequence break where you can ignore the toriel code if you do the shadow crystals? That would be interesting.
>>4082189>Frognigger saying this
>>4082209Frisk is the Mado, Kris is stealing from her again...
>>40822685 GENUINELY mindbroke the worst fans, just look at >>4082277. It shattered the Deltarune that only existed in their heads and they can't cope over it.
>>4082320There's the guitar code, I guess, but I agree. The Dark World is definitely being made to fix Rudy and I don't see how he would be in the Mansion.
>>4082334Kris opened it to set up Asgore’s kidnapping, it's really simple.
>>4082374People don't seem to realize 6 isn't like the rest and thus think the Dark World needs to be in a place with darkner potential.
>>4082396KEK.
>>4082442First enemy syndrome like Froggit.
>>4082530This is actually really good and explains why Toriel was a target for kidnapping twice, she probably does have the Delta Rune code with her in her locked room.
>>4082549FemKris and Noelle.
>>4082580>FemKrisFuck off
>>4082550It’s also krusie angst because it’s Susie grieving over both of her two friends suddenly dying while she went to get ice cream. And weird route suselle has a lot of potential.
>Asgore kept his code kept hidden in Flowery's pot>But the pine tree code was kept in Dess' guitarDoesn't that seem off? Besides with how paranoid Carol is, why is the code randomly in Dess' guitar? Unless maybe it wasn't ever that the code belonged to the mayor, but rather DessAnd Ralsei has an association not just with any trees, but with pine trees in particular based off his room.Do Ralsei and Dess have some kind of connection? I'll bet he knows the code
>>4082585I don't want to have sex with a male Kris bro.
>>4082605Why do anons always have such weird, deviant sexuality?
>>4082530Let it be known that after you take a photo of the red antlion, it disappears forever while two couples of antlions form pairs and dance around each other happily while hearts show upWe're gonna kill ERAM, Kris and Noelle will be free to love each other, and so will Ralsei and Susie, and all will be well in the world
>>4082587You know what has so much damn potential but people are too afraid to accept the Knight theory?KriselleKnight x SusieThey both loved her, and even though they're now an abomination, even though Susie hates them, their love for her has never faded. And if Susie doesn't want anything to do with the Knight, well, she's not strong enough to say "stop" now is she?
>>4082610>Wanting to have sex with a women instead of a man is deviant sexuality
>>4082614Oh oh and also the potential for KriselleKnight to tease Kris and Noelle. Maybe kiss Susie in front of them, taunt them for not being strong enough. Maybe the Knight can make out with Kris and Noelle tooGod it's so fucking good I wish people outside this website actually acknowledged it, but all the freaks are too committed to their Doelester stuff
>>4082611Since everything in TV World parallels Kris in a way then the Red antillion dying and everyone else being happy is Kris believing if they died everyone would be better off.
>>4082587I want to say no because Noelle focuses more on Kris, but wr love triangle for sure sounds way more interesting and fun than nr third wheel
>>4082605>I don't want to have sex with a male Kris broWhy is every femkrisfag a retarded coomer?
>>4082637>These nailsSo fucking gay
>>4082637Cute grey daughter.
>>4082630KriselleGTP please pay attention to what the conversation was about. I usually see Kris as male but in the question I was answering I would prefer a FemKris.
>>4082372Too many wacky glup shittos that could be important for a serious chapter that can be made into merch
>>4082637>These nailsSo fucking cute
>>4082663Stop being gay, bro.
>>4082650>Too many wacky glup shittos that could be important for a serious chapter that can be made into merchWell for starters >>4080178Chapter 4 also has basically no merchandise besides mike trio stuff.
>>4082663Keep being straight, sis.
>>4082686Straight people don't play games with four lesbian main characters
Is Deltarune, ultimately, a coming of age story?
>>4082322I personally fully believe the Knight is Dess, but I like your theory, anon. I think in that context the Knight would be>the part that you can say isn't youIt would also explain how the Weird Route would even function. Most of the game, the choices you make are based off the choices Kris could make in any given instant, except for the choices that lead you to the Weird Route. People write this off as "Kris's intrusive thoughts", but the Weird Route could be (You) empowering something separate from the Kris that hates you to completely take control.
>>4082630The gall of saying this when most Krisellefagging boils down to>me me me it's about me and if I don't pick this then I personally get cucked by Susie Deltarune
>>4082689Straight guy here. I'll take 4 lesbo bitches I want to put my cock in over 4 dudes.
>>4082689Ralsei is a dude.
Broke: Noelle will go crazy seeing her sprite sheets and other diegetic game dataWoke: Noelle will bend the game to her whims using arbitrary code executions
>>4082752noelle does a backwards long jump up the infinite staircase without getting all the stars needed
>>4082322Knight is the echo of the original Kris.
>>4082741
>>4082538You can use deepseek to make functional code?
>>4082752Ah yes, Noelle is gonna completely bend the game and modify it to her whims, yes, the same Noelle who couldn't even get to the depths of the lake without the player's help, that Noelle, yes.
>>4082752Reality: Noelle is being used up and won't do any of that
>>4082766but you couldn’t even say stop like you used to
>>4082752I think that the sprite sheet theory is retarded. It's not even a theory, it's just fanfiction.
>>4082752Noelle is gonna be used up and end up Spamton style in Side A (but dead for real this time)
>>4082768Yes, the walking corpse, that is Kris in chapter 5's weird route isn't saying stop like they used to say back when Noelle and Kris were kids, you also can't examine things like you used to at the start of the chapters. I know you want Noelle to be the next Genocide Chara but it's not going to happen.
The next Genocide Chara (your partner) is the Vessel.The sooner you accept this the better.
I hope someone subverts Toby Fox.
>>4082777Yeah, Noelle Holiday.
What if we inverted Toby Fox instead?
>>4082776>The only thing you can do with the vessel is kill stuffThat's disappointing
>>4082782That's all one really needs.
>chapter 6 7 no more silly adventures according to toby
>>4082784It will have one (1) six seven joke.
>>4082782You've been focusing on getting stronger the entire weird route, why would it stop now? It's clear that you need to become stronger to break free from the default path, so the Vessel needs to become stronger too if you want to achieve a different ending.
>>4082784I hope you're ready for edgekino>Kris losing his hand and the ability to play piano forever>Susie going nuts and dying?>Dess is never coming back>Asriel reveal (He's fucking DEAD)
>>4082788No good reason to take away text when you inspect stuff
>>4082789>Kris losing his hand and the ability to play piano foreverWe are The Last of US 2 now?
>>4082781Already happenIt's called Inverted Fate
>>4082790The Vessel has it's own mind so it will have it's own descriptions.
>>4082781>inverse Tobythat’s Hideo Kojima!
>>4082789>Susie going nuts and dying?A good ending.
>>4082795Two subversives shielded by money and privilege
>>4082789>>Susie going nuts and dying?will never happen, susie is toby's favorite character
>>4082798La creatividad BROKE you.
>>4082769It's a complete misunderstanding how Toby handles meta themes
>>4082530my take is that there is a 4th "master code" which can open the sjelter without needing the other 3but that might be locked behind side B since in the mantle boards you go through a door with the devil horns to find it
>>4082789>He's fucking DEADI used to think the same at first, but given both Toriel and Asgore are anxious to see Asriel again it's not just Kris coping. Even Pizzapants said he went to college, so it has to be true.
>>4082785noelle has that among us joke so this might be in the cards
>>4082803It's bad when it targets my stuff
>>4082806It's also no secret among the townies that Kris is still in contact with Asriel and only isn't talking to him right now because the internet is down, there's a high probability I think that Kris is still talking to Asriel "off-screen" over the phone instead and we're not allowed to see his phone number or try to call him, same as Kris forbids us from going through Asriel's computer or his things in any serious detail and forbids us from looking into a room comprised of his internet search histories in Ch.2
>>4082806I think it would be fitting for the narrative to have the one character who tried to escape hometown and its bullshit to get his brains blown out by the goner mafiaHometown is alive in a weird twisted way and it doesn't like people going out of boundaries or bypassing their roles. Dess and Onion san are prime examples.
>>4082810The only twist I'm expecting from Asriel is that he has completely changed from the cheerful, cool big bro Kris remembers from before Dess's disappearance. He might even hate Kris, which would add some good drama.I doubt he's dead. Kris might be doing all this to bring Dess back and make both Asriel and Noelle happy again.
>>4082776Only a human can be a loyal partner, not a w*man
>only phone number changes to toriels phone number for one scenario in ch2This game has no logic to it. No good reason to nor have access to all the numbers. I want to call Noelle and berdly and asgore.
>>4082823The logic is "Kris controls what information you receive to the best of his ability, and he doesn't want you calling anybody that's not his home's landline whose only possible responder is Toriel, who isn't clued in on ANYTHING Kris is doing and apparently can't compromise The Plan in any meaningful way"
>>4082825And there won't even be a cell phone with the vesselWasted opportunity
Seriously there's no point in the vessel if the game doesn't give you the experience of raising him.
>>4082832You're raising him! You're making him stronger through killing :3
>>4082820I meant to say "not a m*nster" what the hell?
>>4082833No cell phone, no party chat, no school, no castle town or mini games or anything.Such a cop out to prevent doing anything meaningful with the concept.
>>4082836I mean to say, the game doesn't let you do any of the things the vessel was initially designed to do if you only get it at the end of the game to kill stuff with no text
>>4082837>the game doesn't let you do any of the things the vessel was initially designed to do>the things the vessel was initially designed to doDo you know something we don't about Toby's intent, anon?>no I just know what a player character is SUPPOSED to LET ME DONot an argument.
So you guys know Nowhere and the DEPTHS are completely different locations, right??? 7B isn't taking place in the DEPTHS...
>>4082843It's taking place there in the first half then when you find the Vessel you go back to Hometown (and it's dark worlds), you destroy It and then you go into the Shelter.
>>4082842I can guess. I can guess that it would let you play the game normally. What else was supposed to happen if the vessel thing actually worked?Stop defending Toby skimping out on features he already used. Even the budget dq7 remake managed to keep party chat, and Toby Fox dumped it.No, I will not shut up about party chat. He did it once, he can use those new hires he spent all that time on to do it again.
>>4082848>Even the budget dq7 demake that removed a bunch of things kept this one thing that I personally likeThat's nice.
>>4082848So you have a bunch of shit that you "just know" you were "supposed" to be able to do with the vessel, and you're mad the game took away the vessel and thus never let you do that stuff.So, let's make one thing clear: There was never a version of Deltarune where you just get your vessel and get to engage in the setting however you want from there. Not even conceptually. At no point was this a game where you could pick which characters got screentime at all, who is friends with who, or anything like that.>toby already used a party chat featureWhat the fuck are you talking about? Calling papyrus?
>>4082851I do like party chat, yes. It provides better character moments than any forced cutscenes ever could. It is a good feature, and if you took the time to implement it once, take advantage of it.
>>4082853I am talking about calling papyrus. He didn't need to make more conversations if you befriend undyne, but he did, and that's a good thing. Then he dumped it for the sequel.
>>4082847>The shelter, the Depths and HELL are all considered the same thing by ERAM.>You go to the DEPTHS (the shelter) to get out of the DEPTHS (the shelter) to become strong enough to go into the DEPTHS (the shelter)Yeah. That makes total sense. Okay.
>>40828437B is at the bottom of the lake, literally the depths.
>>4082853>you're mad the game took away the vessel and thus never let you do that stuffI sure wonder why. Maybe because this was the one opportunity to try something like that, and now there'll never be another chance.
>>4082847I do think we're going back to Hometown but I'm not sure about the whole dark world thing, I just don't see how it could work, I could see Asgore opening one, and it would explain the flowers being present, and also the flowers retaining their forms since they are living beings after all so it's possible they can retain their identity regardless of who opens the fountain, but not sure about the rest.Another important thing to keep in mind is that, if we assume the characters shown in the manhole dungeon represent the characters of Hometown, then going back to Hometown is not just going back to Hometown as it was left in chapter 5, but it's going back to an earlier point in time of Hometown too, otherwise I'm not sure how you could explain Undyne, the hard to kill fish, being there.
>>4082859>this was the one opportunity to try something like thatSomething like fucking what? "Deltarune but you're in control" is a concept for a game that can only exist in a world where Deltarune already existed.
>>4082858Kris literally shows up in his light world form when walking into the chapter 3 and 4 egg rooms. This would no sense if nowhere and the DEPTHS were the same thing, since the DEPTHS represents pure darkness. Theres also the fact that they share basically no visual similarities at all. Nor does the "LOUSY REAL ESTATE" that likely represents 7B.
I think there's two different Depths, the Depths of the Shelter, which is an area you are meant to go to, and the Depths of the lake, which is somewhere you are not meant to be in after you finished making the vessel in the goner maker.
>>4082862Perhaps the Knight let Undyne go after the Plan failed (since Kris and the Soul the Knight needs are both nowhere to be found)
>>4082871Forgot to mention, the Depths of the lake is probably that gray area shown in Mancountry.
>>4082864Not to mention, the DEPTHS represents blindness, (Only eyes blinded by darkness can lead the way) sleep, ("Noelle must sleep into a darker, yet darker dream.") illusions (The dark worlds are an illusory reality, frequently compared to dreams by the game) and ignorance. (The titans, whom are composed of pure darkness are completely and utterly mindless.) Likewise the weird route, and Nowhere has consistent themes of greater knowledge and awareness. The ThornRing's Trance effect giving Noelle forbidden knowledge of the world, the association of the "original game" that was hidden away. Nowhere likewise has the eggs representing evidence gaster is trying to erase and make forgotten. The rudinn's that show up are associated with "shining eyes", literally the opposite of blinded eyes.
We're literally going to start Chapter 7B coming out the other side, but with our Vessel. The only thing is that Kris will have disappeared, and Noelle's consciousness will be inside our Vessel.We'll still be in complete control, but Noelle will think it's some kind of game, and that our words are actually Kris'.
>>4082863Vessel raising rpg game
>>4082853>the game is bad on purpose and your choices don't matterWe know.
>>4082873I don't know, that leaves the scene with Ralsei and Susie without an explanation, and since I don't think that whole sequence is a pure abstraction of something else, I think it really is possible that we're gonna forcefully jump to an earlier chapter with the vessel, and everything will start going off rails there.
>>4082882>Drowning Kris in the lake washed the color out of him, killing "Kris" but leaving behind the cage he was using for usNot going to happen because that's too fucking cool
>>4082882So...we'll be trans.
Do you think there will be a Forgotten Man moment in 7B.
>>4082898No, it ended up as a nothingburger.
>>4082898Nah, dude gets his ass out of Cyber City if you do Weird. Egg man does NOT approve
>>4082898Who?
>>4082898Eggs matter in the normal route, not on the weird route, so the weird thing here is that the forgotten man appears at all in the weird route, I assume he's still there because you can abort it.
>>4082864Kris isn't going to Mancountry in weird.
>>4082898I imagine every "egg room" after chapter 5 is a fakeout created by someone other than the forgotten man to fuck you up. Which is why the kris gets the sense they shouldn't search for the man any further in chapter 5.
>>4082908I think the message to not search for them anymore is because the egg's purpose will be revealed in 6, so no need to search for more since, well, they've already fulfilled whatever purpose they have.
>>4082898Nope.
>>4082907MANCOUNTRY exists in the same world as 7B. It's literally in viewing distance.
>>4082919This isn't saying that you'll go back to MANCOUNTRY in 7B, (you won't) btw. Just that they're confirmed to be connected.
Chapter 6 is going to open with Toriel making Kris a 5 egg omelette for breakfast. He still wont eat it
I think it's okay to fuck fat bitches
>>4082940Pizzapants...
>>4082940t. jacquington
>>4082535They just saw the SOUL; they probably don't think much of it, since they don't think much to begin with, being objects and all.Spamton knew ABOUT the SOUL, what it could do and how it could help him. I don't think it's what made him go schizo, but I do think it was another straw on the strawpile of knowledge that eventually broke the spamel's back.I don't doubt his complete downfall from being a [BIG] shot to living in a garbage can played a major role in his breakdown either.
>>4082898After the Mew PROTEIN dialogue i doubt he will be relevant for side b, you skip them if you do lakeWhat i think could happen is just like this dialogue is a secret, you will find more of him if you do all the secrets, but at the same time, FRIEND will start hunting youBasically the game ''punishing'' you for seeking secrets
>doelester is borderline mainstream now this is hilarious, whenever dess is being discussed in the future there will always be a pretense of 'did she doelest kris?' and there's nothing toby can do about it should've gave her an actual character instead of vagueposting
>>4082952Surely Tony will be willing to spill the beans on his deathbed 50 years from now. Unless he develops dementia out of spite.
>>4082952Toby still can save her, well as long he doesn't show Kris being ultra loyal to her and that she was actually his favorite Holiday and not Noelle who knows after Pink lmaoIt's funny how some anons /ss/posting went this far
>>4082919Maybe so, but that could also still be the depths since that's a land of pure evil, too.
do NOT say it.
I've heard rumors that Seth had scrapped dialogue where they said their gender was whatever Berdly preferred. Is this true?
>>4082964I don't love TV?
>>4082964Built for extreme /ll/
>>4082966Kinda.
It's funny learning how Krusie was never on the table
>>4082970Damn, really? What were the lines exactly?
>>4082964pro sneed
Kris is a pretty bad friend for Susie, even aside from being one of the main antagonists. Like he should've told Susie to stay at his house but instead keeps letting her go to Castle Town and treat it as her home.
>>4082974it chucked
>>4082971it annoying is and isn't toby himself has baited it numerous times within the game itself and with early devnotes he's released he probably was very pleased with himself when he kicked all the krusiefags' teeth in at the end of ch5 by denying them their lake scene
>>4082911>6*7Certain optional things may have ended at 5 but nothing of consequence will happen until 7. The fact the Weird completely skips 6 is proof of this.
Hi my name is Toby Fox and I didn't add pic related because I hate all of you specifically.
>>4082972>I... I'll give you a hint! Something as cool as a bluebird...>That a blue bird... also thinks is the coolest!>KRIS! Hey, help me out here!!!
>>4082972>"Whatever Berdly is attracted to is a woman"
>>4082983Straight Kerdly confirmed then.
>>4082971That was always obvious.
>>4082981I'm left to wonder what the thought process was that lead to the replacement of this dialogue exchange. The in-game version feels quite a bit hammy and out of place compared to this.
How Deltarune gameplay should of be if they wanted to make him a good game:>Go Gyarados!>Gyarado's INTEMIDATE lowered Kadabra's attack!>Enemy Kadabra TRACED Gyarados's INTEMIDATE!>Enemy Kadabra's INTEMIDATE lowed Kadabra's attack!>FIGHT>Gyarados used RAIN DANCE>Rain bagan to fall>Kadabra used CALM MIND!>Kadabra's SP. ATK rose!>Kadabra's SP. DEF rose!>Kadabra's LEFTOVERS restored HP!>Rain continues to fall!
>>4082985it's one of the oldest yet strongest indicators for femkris if noelle is a lesbian, and berdly is straight, and both are attracted to kristhat must mean:
>>4082975i remember watching susie go to castle town during the credits and feeling terrible for her, seeing her completely lean into this counterfeit world denying the fact that it won't be here forever because life outside is just that bad depressed me
>>4082988This will be the final boss fight against the fun gang in 7B.
>>4082971I'm a doefag, but i'm impressed how fast people gave up(? on itSusie is ultra high dependant on Kris, in fact i would argue that she is ignoring the whole betrayal instead of being a retard that doesn't notice
>>4082981>help me out here!!!The way that the flowers are basically your friends and even Kris' collaborators kind of ruins any tension for the chapter's finale.
>>4082971>>4082980>KrusieWho cares? Krusie is inferior to Kriselle anyway. Susie doesn't deserve to be loved.
>>4082980Based Toby.
You guys need to listen to this page.https://soundcloud.com/groundbound
>>4082977Someone should kick him in the teeth.
>>4082991>life outside is just that badEverything we've seen in town points to the contrary.
>>4082994>she is ignoring the whole betrayalPossibly but I think she was mostly oblivious until chapter 5, that or starting in 5 she is biding her time to stop him after learning he's secretly evil. Her bringing in Noelle might even be her building more of a team for her side to stop Kris and potentially Ralsei.
>>4083002we haven't seen her apartment yet and ion think we will, closest bet is susie's probably absusive guardian coming to the hospital when they visit rudy
>>4083000You won't do shit.
>>4082997Shut up Susie.
>>4083005Yeah. I'm not gonna do that.
>>4082994>i'm impressed how fast people gave upSusie is a terrible friend. See >>4079186
>>4083004>scene where we finally see Susie's home life>complete 180 in Alphys' behavior where she is drunk and verbally abusing Susie and pushing her around and sometimes thriwing things at her while Susie is mostly unresponsive and tries shrugging it offHoly based
Susie is a good friend :)
I will kill Susie :)
>>4083011*was
>>4082994in ch5 susie is dependant on kris in a toxic sort of way she wants everything kris provides but doesn't want her to actually be anything more than a comforting presence that doesn't say or do anything on her owneven noelle seemed weirded out initially when susie said that she was bringing kris along, but rolled with it >isn't noelle just as bad thenno, kris can actually connect with noelle at the festival if you try, meanwhile susie either disregards what they're doing or sinks deeper into her delusion
>>4083011Member how susie threatened to kill Kris over doe pussy
>>4083011go open another fountain faggot
Kris is actually manipulating Susie to live in castle town
>>4083011>Susie is a good friend :)Susie literally forbids Kris from going to the beach with her, since that place is now just for her and Noelle LMAOIf a friend said something like that to me, I'd tell him to fuck off.
>>4082994>i would argue that she is ignoring the whole betrayal instead of being a retard that doesn't noticeI want to believe this, I really do, but I just cant. Even if that genuinely is the case and she states so later, its gotten across so horribly because susie doesnt need to pretend to be retarded. The game has shown multiple times that she just plainly IS retarded. If the ch5 scene was the only example of her being retarded it'd be fine, but this has been a running theme since the first chapter, that Susie is literally incapable of basic pattern recognition and problem solving. Saying she's only pretending now would be, in of itself, retarded
>>4083023She comes up with a lot of good ideas though
>>4083022imo her telling berdly to fuck off when he asks kris without even asking kris first was worse even if kris was resistant to going out with berdly in ch3, it would've been far better for her mentally to be with him than getting cucked to death by susie and noelle at the lake
>waifufags like the character who is perfect and already loves you and is rich>waifufags hate the have-not who is dirt poor and requires some work to correct her poor behaviorI amshocked
Why did the game have to write Susie as retarded? Not even a little street-smart, huh?
>>4083025i was kinda looking forward to some kerdly jokes during the festival tbdesu
>>4083027She's street smart as her ideas are retarted but always work.
>>4083024her ideas are often dumb as fuck but they somehow work out even with the titan, iirc ralsei mentioned that kris might be able to seal it like a fountain, but didn't know how to do it susie never would've caught on to that if he didn't say it
>>4083024Yeah all of which are just "Lets brute force the problem". Look at her trying to solve a 1-Step Puzzle in the dungeons and tell me she is capable of telling you 2+2=4 without having to think about it for a solid 30 seconds first
>>4083031just ask her what are two pieces of chalk plus two more pieces of chalk
>>4083026Jokes on you, I love both.
>>4083029That idiot would get tricked into some dark alley and get raped
>>4083027She asked the very good question of>Why the fuck do we need Kris to ACTand that's good enough for me
>>4083035Nobody in Hometown is able to rape her apart from Carol.
I think Susie see Kris as a gigachad, i'm seriousI mean, people meme the Pink ruined date, but Susie geniunely thinks Kris is a master at flirting because she tells the same to NoelleAnd she was thinking Kris and Noelle were a couple when they drifted apart long agoI think this is why she didn't saw anything wrong with Kris in normal route, in her retarded mind she thinks Kris is okay, and i'm defending her as a doefag
>>4083026>waifufagsWhat are you going on about? We're talking about Krusie. Krusie is a ship, no one is waifus Susie.
>>4083026she's not perfect. she's fucking nuts (and that's a good thing)
>>4083038>susie is the gigachad kris poster at last i truly see
>>4083032>"Alright Susie, lets say you have two pieces of chalk..">"Ooo, thanks Kris, I was getting hungry!">"No, we're just saying you have two pieces. Then I-">"Awww, what? You got my hopes up like that for NOTHING?">"Susie please, just listen">"Fine. Then what?">"You have two pieces of chalk, and then I give you two more. How much do you have now?">"...None? You havent given me any">"No, say I did give you two pieces, how many would you have after that?">"Still none?? I'd just eat it">"...*sigh* Correct.">"Does this mean I can have some chalk?"
>>4083039
>>4083027>>4083029Susie isn't retarded, she's worse than that. She's completely fucking brain-dead.
CHAPTER 6 SPOILERS FROM THE NINTENDO DIRECT>What was that?>Kris, Susie! quick, this way!>are those... [placeholder]!?*Kris pulls sword out of thin air*>Fuck Squad, our duty is to Recruit [placeholder]*kills enemies*>wew, they're Pacified for now, lets move!>Fun Gang (and Lancer): RIGHT!!!!*make it to destination*>It's it's [characters name]... No it's [Characters Title]!>Well if it isn't the Lightners!>What are you doing here!?>We're here for a special mission of sorts. Memes I can't share with you.>Well we'll just beat it out of you!>FUCK SQUAD, MOVE OUT!>RIGHT!>Que: https://youtu.be/K-fTAOhOGcs?si=NXnvBy_Ckf68IORfINFORMATION: ACT FOR 30 TURNS*battle Over**Kris kneeling and panting with Susie and Ralsei*>No... They're too strong... I'm going to have to use... THAT.>No Kris you can't!>HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>Que: https://youtu.be/OfUhi8_a4Zg?si=3wb0czxqG4MNvvL9>Wait... is that..! [previous chapter character name placeholder]!!!!!!*is able to drive back the enemy like it was nothing, the same enemy Kris and his flunkies couldn't stop*>Well that's enough fun for today>!?>WAIT! WHAT IS THE ROARING KNIGHT AFTER!?>Haha... wouldn't you like to know.
>>4083045Can I just...switch her out with NoelleI don't get what ralsei sees in Susie. I don't see it. I would never hang out with someone like her.
>>4083045Susie shouldn't worry as this event only happens in Side B where the Player just kills everything anyways so nobody has a future.
>>4083011She was a good friend when I thought she was going to suck off my self-insert.
>>4083038CH4's ending and Asgore's situation does make her start to realize Kris didn't have it as easy as she initially thought though
The reason people hate Susie now is because they realized she isn't going to become the Krusie pregnant tradwife they wanted her to be.
>>4083030>Susie came up with a solution based on information presented to herIt's almost like that's how ideas work>>4083031Brute force is pure and just, numbers are evil
>>4083054Yeah because that would have been better. Subversive cretin.
>>4083038Yeah and Kris keeping its emotions bottled up doesn't exactly help
>>4083045why do i have to have this loser in my team, again? i'd rather hang out with noelle insteaf
>>4083054I don't like Susie because she's standing between Kris and Noelle and ruining Kris's plan.
>>4083057Just say you have no taste.
>>4083042kek
>>4083063I would never hang out with someone like Susie, even as a kid.
>>4083048>>4083061she's special according to gerson and flowery, and they wouldn't lie to us..finish your mod btw
>>4083048She is turning into the hero Kris was supposed to be and possibly was in his previous playthrough>>4083061>why does game team start me out with weak party? I want strong party and to steamroll the game
>>4083051Well of course, and it's about time you fucking faggot dog, TWO CHAPTERS LEFT, but her first impression with Kris for sure was that he had a perfect life
>>4083068That sounds like shit. I don't want susie Susie Susie and to bend over for every little thing she wants just to do the fights
>>4083054there is no good pregnant Susie art I checked
>>4083045In chapter 1, I hated Susie, but after chapter 4, I relate to her.
>>4083054hmofa really lives inside your head rent free in some of y'all and it's funny because there are very few people like that outside /trash/.like, are you ok?
>>4083054I think it's more that so far Susie lacks scenes with Kris to balance the whole third wheel shitMind you, Noelle was also saying mean things to Kris like that her friendship with him was forced, but all of that is mitigated thanks to the weird route and alternative festival dialogueActually they do have but it's the fucking ch5 weird route before the lake lmao
>>4083080>noelle was saying mean things to kris like that their friendship was forced and people blasted her about it after ch4but ch5 completely recontextualized it as her being self deprecating, as she believed that she forced it onto kris and that kris didn't want anything to do with her we know this isn't true, but noelle has a habit of spiralling
>>4083080>Noelle was also saying mean things to Kris like that her friendship with him was forcedWasn't that debunked by Noelle's own dialogue, where she admits she was the clingy one pushing Kris to stay glued to her side as kids?
>>4083080>like that her friendship with him was forcedIt literally is, from having to hang out together due to their parents being friends and later the soul forcing Kris to interact with her and her family.
>>4083067you're talking to two different people
>>4083047I see
>>4083082Yeah that's why i said alternative festival dialogue, it recontextualized the whole conversation and the ferris wheel ride was actually positiveMeanwhile with Susie she kinda lacks with Kris and that's why people started hating on herI think Toby fucked up or is intentionally making it a conflict>>4083084Come on dud, she literally said it in the king and queen vote
>>4081492Maybe his serial killer rizz carried over across universes
>>4083080>Noelle was also saying mean things to Kris like that her friendship with him was forcedKriselle Ferris Wheel scene in Chapter 5 explained this moment. Noelle didn't really mean it, she was just confused and making things up in her head.
>>4083042fucking kek
>>4083095I know, that's why i said alternative festival dialogue, Noelle has moments like these but with Susie not really, which of course made people to be mad with her
>>4083099Susie also has scenes like this one >>4079186 that show what a terrible friend she is. Susie is a hypocrite.
>>4083054The same will happen to Noelle and she will be hated like in the 1 days.
>>4083078>very few people like that outside /trash/.Biggest lie ever said.
>>4083106To be fair the game was trying to establish her as a hypocrite in ch3 when she said she hates people who dont tell you the whole thing when she's actively lying to Noelle about the dark world, but thats mostly hindsight when put next to this because everyone understands you cant be open about everything at all times, and that was one of them
>>4083106Notice how she doesn't mention Noelle in any of thisChapter 5 was a disaster
>>4083106I can excuse her as being an actual fucking retard that doesn't notice Kris feelings in 5, like how she had no idea Kris had family problemsIt's really fucking funny that the most positive moments with Susie and Kris is the whole weird route festival
>>4083106Ralsei has more of a need to hear this than Kris does.
>>4083111That scene is more about her saying that to Ralsei who is exactly the kind of person she's talking about, so is Kris but he doesn't care the way Ralsei does.
How bad would UT be if it was broken into chapters with year(s) between releases
>>4083129>Man I can't wait for the game to be SUPER serious after waterfall, edgy childmurder kino awaits!>WHY IS THE GAY ROBOT DANCING AT ME WHAT THE FUCK TOBY FOX>GUEST WRITER GUEST WRITER HE LOST THE PLOTRPGs aren't meant for episodic release and this is the one criticism I will nail toby forBut at the same time chapter 1 getting shadow dropped was the coolest shit ever back in the daySo I'm mixed.
GUEST WRITER GUEST WRITER HE LOST THE PLOT
>>4082530Why is the Dreemurr home's Delta Rune incorrect?
>>4083151Why are the triangles reversed?
>>4083151Am I the only one who sees ERAM?
>>4082530>ERAM>MARE backwards>NightMAREhttps://youtu.be/t43ZIrsfof0
>>4083151The whole house is incorrect when you look at it for longer than five seconds, those windows at the front disappear when you walk inside. It COULD mean something, sure, but it could just as easily be Toby not thinking hard enough about the house's design
>>4083151To be quirky.
Normalfags found out about Kress. https://x.com/whoasked420/status/2096605002273898906
>>4083164>19k likesErm...
>>4083164They found out about it a looooong time ago. Just wait until they find out about loli Kris.
>>4083164You're late to the party, bro. Kress got popular five months ago. Even the shitty subreddits are full with Kress memes everyone pretends to hate but secretly loves.Pic unrelated, I just like it.
>>4083131Mettaton still wants to kill you though and at least pretends like he's going to chop you up into a cake.
>>4083164>no pantsis this supposed to be a detail
>>4083131the right play was shadowdropping chapter 1 then releasing the rest of the game afterwards, no autism, no dumb fanon shit poisoning the game, no expectations or shit poisoning the well, all of the cool glitches wouldnt have been patched away and you even get the rose scene with the rest of the weird route, itd be a peak timeline
>>4083023Nah I still think she's also a mega-knower and doesn't show it. She's also very good at hiding everything about her personal life from the player.
>>4083177Covid once again ruins something, because thats the entire reason he dropped Ch2 when he did. Afaik the plan was just to drop 1 and then 2-7 all at once when they were finished, but he felt compelled to give everyone something when the lockdowns happenedOr he was always going to do it and just wanted to look better about it idk, but that's the story we're given right now
>>4083177would have made sure all the chapters were consistent
>>4083177The fandom stuff is an important part of the experience.
https://youtu.be/Eh2uzxevVL0Hometown Massacre now in 3D
why did toby retcon susie into being a drooling retard? in earlier chapters you could tell that Susie had a shitty homelife but is otherwise a mostly capable friend when she's not using her bully persona as a coping mechanism, there were a few hiccups here and there like saying "shouldn't of" and shit but you could always chalk it up as susie coming from different cities so it'd make sense why she'd fuck up her speech patterns a bit and have specific speech quirks like "arright" or "probly" if she's met all sorts of people with different accents, but then chapter 4 & 5 come along and now she can't write for shit, she can't talk for shit (see the "And... if there's leftovers. Of, are what we eated." dialogue line, she's basically speaking like Temmie at this point), she's too retarded to ask shit, she even implies that everyone else including temmie would be able to go to college except her, why the fuck did toby make her so intellectually incompetent??
>>4083193>And... if there's leftovers. Of, are what we eated.The fuck? I don't remember that line at all.
>>4083193Lazy and incompetent writers.
>>4083195its a line found in the festival
>>4083195>this dialogue is realsome new hire wrote most of this chapter
>>4083193Susie being emotionally vulnerable and quick to delusions isn't a retcon.
What's the narrative use of Susie being a bad friend anyway? Make Kris less reluctant to betray her and follow DA PLAN?
>>4083193>why the fuck did toby make her so intellectually incompetent??Unironically, if she werent the entire mystery plot would be nil. The only reason the plot is where it is now, is because no one in the game is either Capable or Willing to do anything about it. Kris and Ralsei fall under the Willing part, but Susie doesnt so she needed her capability kneecapped
>>4083202She was never meant to be a Hero, its the universe pulling her back to her assigned role
>>4083205>prophecy hotfix cope
>>4083164Kress has breached containment since last year, but weirdly enough "problematic" content is blowing up on xitter, this picture reached over 100K likes in it for example. I guess consequence of the /v/ exhile.https://x.com/nnnUTreu04/status/2095836048794468590
>>4083204dont do a mystery plot where you cant even try to solve the mystery
>>4083202toby trying to test the players' loyalty to susie, but toby fucked it up so hard at this point that if i ever got the choice to switch to the knight's side and play with a kris, knight and a ralsei replacement, i'd just take it and obliterate susie
>>4083204It's funny - Noelle is probably able and willing to do something about it, but the game currently implies that's a bad thing.
>>4083207What's left then? FemKris blows up in popularity?
>>4083158I can excuse fucked up house anatomy but the Delta Rune is literally the symbol of the game and its in-universe religion.If this really wasn't intentional, I would assume it was a Temmie fuck-up if anything.
>>4083202Kris must suffer.
>>4083210Side B is bad for everyone involved except the Soul.
>>4083210they could've made it work with the way she's generally afraid in chapter 2 but they mostly stopped focusing on that aspect so now she's capable enough to handle it instead
>>4083215>except for the only sentient person in the experienceI fail to see the problem. Worse case scenario we just delete the flagged file like in the good ol' Genocide days.
>>4083164grounded, angsty kress is kino>>4083211ralsei fetus theory
>>4083208Yeah its proof doesnt know HOW to write a mystery, you're supposed to ask questions that get answers that lead you closer to THE answer, but he doesnt have a way to do that with this story so he just has to keep piling questions and wait to answer any of them at the last momentShit at least Persona 4's mystery, with it's cast of retards that makes it comparable, made it a point that every dungeon rules out SOMETHING about the murderer so you can feel like you're figuring it out as time goes on. They pose a question, the question gets challenged, and that brings them a little closer to the truth every time. Toby cant even do that much
>>4083222>spoilerI never understood how that theory even worked, since we see the thinly veiled romantic undertones of Ralsei and Kris. It wouldn't work if they were related.
>>4083211That already happened, that big boob Kris/Kerdly edit went viral awhile ago.
>>4083164Uh oh
>>4083224It's more that Kris is on the conspiracy to begin with, and so is Ralsei.Based on the possible talk options, the SOUL is geniunely curious and try to figure things out. It's even more obvious during the Holiday Manor section.
>>4083211it's slowly bubbling people have already soft accepted kris = aqua = patience soul, femkris is just the bow that ties it all together
>>4083168>loli KrisEveryone saw Aqua already lil bro
>>4083195He's trying way too hard to stir that "why the fuck did Susie say it like that" energy that came way more naturally in earlier chapters, he saw people loved shit like the Tails Gets Trolled reference and desperately wants to recapture that.
>>4083230
>>4083228i hate that shitdont make long sections of the game after soemthing crazy happened and youre expeted to ignore it just to get through the battles
>>4083225Toby loves incest and goat x human incest like Chasriel, so he would totally push it if it was incest.
>>4083234I find the resistance cute. It'll be meaningless once we reach the late chapters, and there is a whole route about asserting our commands - the main route is just enabling the baby.
>>4083177Bitching about every little thing between chapter releases is the main gameplay loop
>>4083228The SOUL is just the player without a protagonist, so they arent Capable of solving the mystery either, and when possessing Kris the problem shifts to the protag not being Willing to let them solve it. There's just too many people against it, we've been given a mystery where the only perspective we have is of those who dont want it solved. Someone needs to be capable AND willing to solve it, or else the mystery doesnt actually work out smoothly.
>>4083237>ChasrielThey're near-childhood friends in nature and you saw how much Toby hate Kriselle.
>>4083215side B is good for noelle, she's more cunning, efficient, freer, more powerful than ever! she's now capable of doing things she couldn't before, she's finally saying "no" to kris like she used to as implied by the cyber city dialogue, berdly? who cares about him! Noelle last memory of him is that time her pussy tingled from casting snowgrave, and considering Susie would rather leave berdly to rot than to take him to a dark world, no one else's gonna miss him, the fact that snowgrave berdly's check text says "try your strongest ICE spell!" means that, deep down, kris was tired of berdly too. no one will shed a tear for him.those darkners? who cares, as if anybody is gonna cry over a bunch of frozen tasks from the task manager, a bunch of frozen viruses, a bunch of frozen AD Pop-ups, a frozen scammer addison, and spamton.there's more positives with the weird route than negatives, really. unless you think that Noelle being a spineless coward who needs to be carried everywhere by susie in order to stand up for her own wants is a good thing? the weird run is simply making a proper hero out of her
>>4083193>chapter 4 & 5 come along and now she can't write for shitAnalogy for the writing in general. There are so many in-game jokes based on writing incorrectly on purpose that the game in general is mostly ESL babble
>>4083239You make us sound like autistic manchildren.
>>4083245What, you havent figured it out yet? That's the only way you "win" arguments anymore. You dont make your side sound correct, you make the other side sound wrong
Retarded theory: inside the bunker we'll find a human child skeleton wearing Kris's headband next to a small pile of monster dust and Dess's clothes. The Kris we control is actually a Darkner able to exist in the Light World thanks to the human SOUL, and the SOUL is the real Kris.At the end of the game all fountains have been sealed and Kris smiles while they fade into nothingness in front of Susie and Noelle.It doesn't make sense but me like it.
>>4083241>>how much Toby hate Kriselle???
TOBENTO FOXED LUNCH WHEN HEWHEN HE MAKES EXACTLY ONE SONG 40 TIMES FOR A CHAPTER
>>4083245autistic manchildren playing some autistic manchild's game that came to him in a dream
>>4083249It's a Suselle game.
>>4083220>coward: I found a way out
>>4083247>we'll find a human child skeletonI fucking knew Papyrus was in there!
>>4083241NPCs say they were like siblings and that the dreemurrs took her as their child, plus Chara quoting a part in the Kitchen where in the same page the narrator says they're lovers and also like brother and sister.
>>4083225Because it doesn't make sense. Ralsei is actually Asriel's dust spread across town.
>>4083252>reading ability of a Twitterfag
>>4083258Jaru-chan..
I just spent an entire night awaken on an AI chatbot raping femboy irritable ghost
>>4083262Average behavior for UT/DRfags
>>4083245Haha... That's our fanbase!
>>4083262Did you have fun tho? That's all it matters. We're all going to die and be forgotten anyways.
>>4083247>The Kris we control is actually azombie ala evil Gerson, calling it now. But nah the actual answer is Kris enjoyed his time before Asriel came back and keeps repeating the week, with the game taking place during the 8th cycle
>>4083267eighth cycle? why that number?
>>4083262She's a girl and not a femboy, AItard.
>>4083267>Kris enjoyed his time before Asriel came back and keeps repeating the weekIn the grand scheme of things the week sucks. He's thrown in jail, beaten down by King, robbed by Spamton, nostalgiabaited by Tenna, one-shotted by the Knight, molested by SPAWNs/TITAN, tackled by his father, force to third wheel between crush A and crush B...Why would you repeat that hell?
>>4083267>>4083271we've only seen the best outcome, maybe previous loops were far worse than the current timeline
>>4083272I fail to conceptualize what timeline could justify that depressing chain, unless Noelle dies or something.
>>4083266well it was fun when I regretted it and apologized to him in a date
>>4083272>>4083275i gotchu fa.m
>>4083277Ignored Mantle award.
>>4083277Kris was the prophecy knight.
>>4083238if its meaningless stop wasting the player's time
>>4083282It's narratively important, though.Which is why I can accept the twists and turns. It's just a game of patience they're doomed to lose.
>>4083283im out of patience, so far, skipping to ch7 seems thje ideal way to play
thje?
>>4083286But then you're not playing MANTLE, or exploring the Dark Worlds, or having all the character interactions. You just...know the answer to the mystery and move on.
>>4083289Don't give a shit. Mysteries are for 2021, when I still gave a shit. Move.
>>4083290Hm... If you're that dissatisfied, why not ignore Deltarune content until you reach the end in a few years? Otherwise you will just stew in your spite during all breaks until the question is answered, then depart still angry.
>>4083287sjelter?
>>4083291Did that for 4 years.
when will this happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7dHDV8ypF8
>>4083293Why are you here NOW, then?
>>4083292dield?
>>4083295One reason. because of that 2027 release date. I'm out of patience now.
We discussed the possibility of a "Leder moment", but what if Deltarune has a moment it nonchalantly drops a "Dr. Gaster" after spending the entire game implying it, like in Mother 3?
>>4083299Cool I guess
>>4083298aren't you a year early bro
>>4083299that'd prolly give some fans a heart attack
>>4083299That would actually be hype as fuck.
>My full name? It's Flowery Gaster!
>>4083299i mean we're already kinda primed with the gooners being at their most suspicious in ch5, i wouldn't be surprised if ch7 had something like that
>>4083316>"Wait! [Player Name], Wait! Dr. Wingding Gaster is waiting for you! Come to the shelter! Don't wait!"
>>4083302No. After the 2026 release date last year i knew i wasnt going anywhere until this is all over with.
>>4083318So you choose to torture yourself for years...?
>>4083311Flowery would be considered a Dreemurr.
I don't buy the theory that Toriel's locked room is where the Delta rune code is. Kris should know if there's a code in their own house they live inside every day and would have destroyed it long ago
>>4083262Powerful.
>>4083268>>4083271>>4083272I forget most people itt are too young to have watched the Lucky Star prequel.
>>4083299>what if something happened?Uh huh yeah sure ok
>>4083326maybe the shelter codemaybe it's made of chocolate
>>4083326Maybe Toriel wouldn't let him do that, after all it's behind her locked door that she doesn’t let Kris get in.
>>4083321Flowery would be a Gaster but at the end he sees Toriel's and Asgore's ghosts happily standing together and he'd introduce himself as Flowery Dreemur to the NPC who asked
>>4083326Kris is the holder of the third code.
>>4083326I thought we already decided it was in the dragon book or the cactus
>>4083338>dragon bookKris literally opened it in front of Susie. Wouldn't make sense.>CactusWe already 'saw' her, and all she had was a blade.
I made a really funny reference earlier and no one responded because you were all talking about generic shipping garbage like usual.
If corporations can be people, then flowers can be human.
>>4083342Serve you right, spiteful little cunt.
(Kris, Susie, and Noelle lie defeated on the ground.)RALSEI / ERAM: "Wahaha! You don't get to choose who you are in this world, Kris! You can't win, and you definitely can't be a hero!"KRIS: "That's not true... I have the right to choose! I am... a WOMAN!"NOELLE: "And I accept you as one!"(Susie claps. Ralsei / ERAM claps. Evil is instantly defeated. The End.)Written and directed by Toby Fox.
Things needed for a good combat system in a CLASSIC turn based RPG:>turn order shown>stats with clear explanations on what each one does>weapons/equipment changes show up on the character model>multiple sets of equipment/weapons for each character with meaningful changes, not just slight stat differences or straight stat upgrades>catgirls>a good inventory sorting systemIt's amazing so many of them fail at these simple requirements.
>>4083345This but Kris is voiced by a man specifically in this dialogue exchange
>>4083334There's no way Kris hasn't been able to get inside their own mother's room for months or even years
>>4083350Even if he could I don't think Toriel would let him get the code, she probably has it on super lockdown.
>>4083332Nothing changed. Billions must freeze.
I'm still undecided in the Kris debate, to be honest. Can you post your best femkris and your best mankris and your best androgynouskris so I can decide?
>>4083357Just go to a booru, this thread has limited imageslots.
>>4083358We're 2600 posts in, just make a new thread.
>>4083359Not yet, there's still over 35 image slots left, we can wait a few more hours.
>>4083193SHE'S BECOMING A GASTER FOLLOWERSHE'S BECOMING ''SUZY''
>>4083152The only time this ever happens anywhere else is in the judgment hall (the windows are rightside up, only the insignia above the door is reversed)
>>4083184Deltarune would be so fucking dead and forgotten after 8 years and counting if he just held off.Hell most people would've just assumed it was cancelledAlso don't forget most people didn't really care about Deltarune until chapter 2
>>4083164>>4083167>30k likes nowThey're seething so hard in the comments.
>>4083369>because of the jannies now the large Deltarune fanbase is forced to hear about all the schizo shit we used to fling around on /v/Can't an anon enjoy his kress in peace?
I really wonder what the special effect on the JusticeAxe will beSusie simply gains the +5 magic and learns BetterHeal from her experience, the axe doesn't provide that at allWho knows, maybe it'll let her learn her SnowGrave equivalent
new theory what do you guys think
>>4083375itll shrink her brain
>>4083375>You have to get the JusticeAxe to get the PureCrystal necessary for the TwistedSword>The Kris vs Susie fight has her try to build up TP to use JusticeGrave against you like in this modhttps://youtu.be/0ViC_nIUj0s?t=612If you let her get to 100, she hangs Kris in a noose like a criminal deserves
>>4083392>JusticeGraveAura ruined.
Jaundice Buster
>"NOOO YOU CAN'T BE ATTACHED TO A GAME FOREVER!!!! YOU HAVE TO LET IT GOOOOO!!!!">"oh, by the way, there's a game based on a dream that i refused to let go of for over a decade!"toby fox, king of hypocrisy."rules for thee, not for me!"
>>4083395deportation imminent
>>4083164Pink must be glad that Dess is the one taking all the shit lmao>>4083371I kinda want people to notice Noelle Knight (not kriselle) shit, i did it for the funsies in 3+4, but since people lose their shit with any Knight candidate, i just want to see more fire
>>4083225Fetus Ralsei is Asriel and Dess' little accident>>4083258I can't think of a single theory more lame and dumb than fur Ralsei
Kriselle is the only reason to play this game
From Nower On (Battle 2er)
>>4083403CoL said this!
Pink's kisses are the only reason to play this game
>>4083395He didn't say that. That's closer to one of the moral positions Undertale contains than most of your type gets, though.
[ONCE IN A LIFETIME DEALS] IS THE ONLY REASON TO [Steam Spring Sale 50% Off] THIS [vidya]
Uuuuu knives are the only reason to play this game! Let's play!
All jokes aside, I think we all know what we REALLY play this game for...ILOVETV
Preventing a happy ending is the only reason to play this game
OBVIOUSLETH I AM THE SINGULAR REASON TO PLAYETH THIS GAME.
the prospect of killing susie and ralsei is the only reason to play this game
*...
Seeing them hold hands, the fire in their heart. It's wrong! Wrong! And yet, it's the only reason you play this game. You're gross.
>>4083404The next battle theme is obviously gonna be called FireShock
The Only Reason You Play This Game Is To Complain About It On The Internet
>>4083418Wew, almost though we were on /v/ for a second
Lightbringer! The only reason you play this game is to bring disgrave to our kind!
BEING FREE IS THE ONLY REASON TO PLAY THIS GAME, GAME, UEE HEE HEE.
Dating is the only reason to play this game, mew.WHAT???? NO IT ISN'T!! SHUT UP!!!!
why is some guy just having a stroke in here?
>>4083423Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?
your mom is like, the only reason to play this game.
>>4083423ppl are just running out of shit to talk about lmaodirect reveal soon, trvst
>>4083426What if we get Deltarune: Legends of Hopes and Dreams the gacha mobile game announced
Lancer is a lowdown dirty digger
Boss, youse know finding Mike is da only to play da game.Oh, really? THEN WHY HAVEN'T WE FOUND A CLUE OF HIM FOR THE LAST 5 CHAPTERS?[Saxophone sounds]
>>4083426it's too soon, I want to believe but I doubt we will see chapter 6 until next year
>>4083375It's like the magic water in Dragon Ball, the axe does nothing but her experience is what makes her stronger.
>>4083384There's no way anyone male and white would have sex with an animal
>>4083432>there isn't a single withe male in these threadstrvke
>>4083433anon?? your ralseis??
>6 will be a serious chapterSo what will happen on the first castle town visit then? There is much concentrated goofyness there now.
>>4083426There's no hope for it until Deltarune's done, but I am 98% certain one day we'll see Deltarune DLC announced for SmashDisregarding the fact that the game isn't done and that it definitely wouldn't be put in Smash for that reason alone right now, we aren't even sure what the characters are completely capable of. We can't even imagine what Kris' final smash should be until we see chapter 7. Maybe Kris would have magic moves too, but we wouldn't know that yetI just hope Toby doesn't take so long for Deltarune that Smash gets finished with DLC before he releases the game
post some #KressGold
>>4083436Pink ultra worried will tell you that the person Kris warned is in the town Seam
>>4083436It'll be frozen over and Roulxs Kaard will be frozen in front of Seam's shop so you can't get the pure crystal
>>4083439Pink pissed off that the Mikes were breeding a bunch of FRIENDS there
>>4083438What the hell, this doesn't look to be made by our local /ss/ posters, is xhitter really taking the meme serious lol
>>4083436>So what will happen on the first castle town visit then?It simply will not happen!
>>4083440toby stop posting here and go back to work
>>4083441Oh right, that fucking Mike that looks like FRIEND, she might lose it if she see them
>>4083406
>>4083440>anons with their 5 crystals going to Seam shop
>>4083412My KING...
>>4083435Ralseis are black which is why I turned them off>>40834364 and 1 were "serious" chapters, that's about as far as 6 will go
>>4083437does toby's "darkners ONLY" autism apply to collabs? i hope not because kris would be a cool smash pick. the knight too, but im not entirely sure about its -ner status.
>>4083440Not even frozen, he's jealous Seam gets a shop so he starts selling his own wares right in front of Seam's door, not letting you in.
in chapter 6 Ralsei will get stuck in a wall and be made into castle town's free use goat
>>4083448jej
>>4083452I remember that game not long ago, crypt of necromancer i think is called?Made the UT characters be just cosplayers
Maddie's thick caterpillar eyebrows...
Kris is so cool
Kris is a bitch and I hope he dies by my own actions
Kris is Blue and Noelle is yellowToby told me
WHERE IS RED?
>>4083463woah krisele was yaoi all this time
>>4083452Darkners only has never been a rule, it's just been that he doesn't want merch of certain characters right now because people might turn on them laterAlso the flowers got merch despite being from the light
Kris is Hero but blue
>>4083464ball gaming
>>4083463kris is aqua THOUGH
>>4083468>I turned on them already though because he made them shit
hello guysI fucking hate legend of tennathat's all
>>4083468That reasoning just makes no sense when Ralsei's plush toy is the most shilled merch of the game
>>4083473hello tennai fucking hate legend of guysthats all
>>4083471CHILD Kris is AquaTEEN Kris is Blue
what deal with the devil did Toby make to have his game be this much of a brain worm even when I hate most of it?
>>4083467Blue is a lady.
>>4083463does that mean green gaster is their son
>>4083468aren't plants distinct from both lightners and darkners? in any case i hope youre rightnoelle needs to taste the [freedom sauce] in other games https://youtu.be/jGug7Lkzu18
>>4083477Deltarune is literally the only good upcoming game there is left in the industry
>>4083476kris is a zesty nigger?
>>4083481What about Elden Ring 2?
>>4083477well this game is actually a summoning ritual to bring the fallen angel noelle into our collective consciousness so it definitely has some demonic energy to it
>>4083481but I mean, I don't spend as much time thinking about Silksong despite actually enjoying it
>>4083484deltarune will shove a noelle tulpa into our brains and she will still be a lesbian
>>4083477it's got genuine SOVL, and no you don't hate it. those are strong feelings. youd have dropped it altogether. >>4083481im looking forward to metroid ravenous
>>4083484>>4083486she won't do shi-https://youtu.be/jVJPU9Qwt9Y
>>4083481Post-Deltarune society is going to be intense, when everyone has lost the singular modern game that could constantly be relevant and worth talking about. Even moreso if the ending is fucking dogshit
>>4083487>youd have dropped it altogether.every second of chapter 3 I felt my heart breaking little by littleI'm only here because the sunk cost is that strong
>>4083486Y'know what, I could live with that. Bad idea to fuck your tulpa in the first place, and both of us can talk about and enjoy sexy women
>>4083485I guess, Silksong is that kind of game that's good but there's nothing really to talk about it. Story isn't complex and the gameplay is a more refined version of mechanics already widely discussed
>>4083477Even when Deltarune does shit like s*selle, at least the game gives you a reason for anything that happensThe game also pulls you back with so many things that has potential like the weird route gaster etc, you just have to suck the bad parts for the good partsBasically meet potential man game meme
>Seek key resources: Does relocate to areas rich in water and fresh pasture, knowing the strongest stags will control these prime territories, ensuring encounters with top-tier mates.>Evaluate males: They pay close attention to the pitch and power of the stags' roars. A deep roar indicates a large, healthy body, drawing does toward fight winners. >Group into harems: They allow the dominant male to gather and guard them in a herd, but if he displays weakness, they may choose to leave the harem.>Display physical and behavioral signals: As ovulation nears, they release pheromones through their urine and rub against vegetation to signal they are ready.>Immobility reflex: When a doe is fully receptive to mating, she stands still, raises her tail slightly, and allows the male to mount her.Now I understand why Noelle is attracted to Susie and why she falls for Kris so quickly in the Weird Route. All Kris has to do is show her who's boss.
>>4083489>looking at modern homestuck threadsI fear AND yearn for the post ending daysIt's gonna be CHAOS
>>4083489who says this is toby's last game?>if the ending is fucking dogshiteven if that ends up being the case, we'll be there day 1 for whatever this dog's next project is. let's be real lol.
>>4083496Toby's wrist is too fucked for him to be too involved in any other big projects, he's gonna fall back and ride on collabs and merch for the rest of his days.
>>4083494but what was berdly and catti doing wrong?
>>4083498Berdly is a weenie and Catti barely ever signaled she was interested
>>4083496I will not be. I have been taught a lesson by Deltarune, I am not getting into another decade long wait while playing the game piece by piece. I will wait until the game is finished and then I will pirate It.
>>4083496>who says this is toby's last game?He's not fucking human if he immediately announces a new game after Deltarune is over, the man has GOTTA be planning a vacation or preparing a bomb shelter to hide in when it is. There's going to be a period with nothing from tobysoft
>>4083502>preparing a bomb shelter to hide in"Back into my lair..." says Hussie while holding a glass of wine and a bottle of lube
>>4083494>They pay close attention to the pitch and power of the stags' roars. A deep roar indicates a large, healthy body, drawing does toward fight winners.This is why she made such a big deal of hearing Kris' real voice again
>>4083503I feel Toby's relationship with Hussie is "Hussie believes he's the dom, it is actually Toby and has been for a long time"
Blue straight up groomed Susie
>>4083477Like many bad games, it's interesting.
>>4083497He's been a creative his whole life, he won't be content to simply retire at age 38
>>4083482It's why he's good at flirting
>>4083506
>>4083490Chapter 5 is really only maligned for being Chapter 3 again.
>>4083492>there's nothing really to talk aboutBut there is a lot to be said
>>4083494Why don't they go for nice guys who will treat them well?
>>4083498Both failed at being scary, something Noelle loves, Catti was fucking scared to complete the demon summoning with KrisMeanwhile Kris is scary to Noelle by nature
>>4083521I've been nooticing really fucking hard in every Suselle interaction that the only reason Susie scares Noelle at all is the novelty of doing it for the first time, I strongly believe Noelle's going to get tired of her really quick once the butterflies wear off assuming Susie isn't being put in a guillotine for Kris's plan
>>4083522Suselle haters are like a wife of a violent husbandThey still somehow have hope things will get better
>>4083517Noelle's case is moreso her own nature demanding those things rather than just being hybristophilic>>4083521cats and humans get along better anyways
>>4083523Hey man I'm going entirely off of Noelle's stated and displayed personality, she's not scared by anything in the festival's haunted-house because she's seen everything in there already except Alphys on a rope, meanwhile Kris can reliably spook her doing the same things more than once as both a play to their childhood and because she already likes them
>>4083525listen to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTOreU_aOr4and tell me if you're still sure toby will do a mike tier rugpull on his entire fag fanbase
>>4083526Like Toby gives a flying fuck what his fans want
>>4083527it would be beautiful to see, but it would also obliterate his reputation
>>4083528He fucking deserves it for sticking his fat jew nose where it doesn't belong.
>>4083526But he did with the lake no?Even if the retarded fanbase choose to ignore how Noelle literally told that EVERYONE in town is a fucking NPC
>>4083526>toby would never bait us! kris is le ebic chara genocider!>well... that was OBVIOUSLY wrong and stupid! toby would never bait us! we will make toriel kill those pesky darkners and we will meet mike!>well... that was OBVIOUSLY wrong and stupid! toby would never bait us! we will fight asgore and neo schizo woody in chapter 5!!>well... that was OBVIOUSLY wrong and stupid! toby would never bait us! we will definitively get endgame suselle!and thus, the broken clock keeps spinning.
>>4083528He already doesn't give a flying fuck what his fans want by having relatively concrete ideas of who and what the fallen humans of Undertale were like
>>4083531Yeah but normal route is ultra cucked thoughever, too much hopeslop, wr and aborted wr has more chance to challenge Susie pen hopeslop
>>4083526bro he didn't even make this song lol, it was itoki hana.suselle is literally destined by the plot to fail, get the fuck over it.
>>4083535both nr and wr are miseryslop thoughaborted wr/twistedswd route will prolly be the one for hopeslop
>>4083536>he didn't even make this songhe requested and put his stamp of approval on it>suselle is literally destined by the plot to failI hope the paramedics come fast enough to your house when ch7 comes out
>>4083512Why would Tobentino Foxtler direct, produce, and film thiseverbeit?
>>4083536how many songs did toby even make for ch5? a couple motifs and then handed the rest off to whoever?
>>4083537Nah, Twisted will be nothingslop. You'll get a few more "But nothing changed." scenes and then a final screen that implies Kris and Noelle both kill themselves.
>>4083527He cares about what fans want but he doesn't care to give it to them
Which songs do you like better between Weird and Genocide?
>>4083531You recognize that the opening of ch2 wasn't just a prank anymore, right? Those opening words paint a different scene to what happens with the pie.
>>4083540Are you senile? There were only like 4 songs by other people.
>>4083545clarify your question please
Remember how people tried to make you believe field of hopes and dreams was actually scarlet forest?
>>4083545Glacier is one of the most atmospheric song in the game, it fits the ''you are in a wrong place'' type song so fucking well
>>4083547toby only did happy town, who might you be, quiet glade, and flowermaneverything else was a tweaked version of an existing song or toby gave someone else a little motif and got them to do the rest ch5 was easily the weakest chapter when it came to music
>>4083521>>4083522Sorry, Toby already anticipated this critique of Suselle and said that Noelle actually likes it when Susie's nice too
>>4083477You can tell Toby likes and knows a lot about games and that makes the products of his perspective on them, like his own game, really interesting, even if you hate his actual opinions.
>>4083528I dunno, there was the whole Mew and Kris age argument and Toby decided to add even more kisses, it was like a reverse rape rose removal
>>4083545the youtube version of weird 'welcome to the city' is better than the in game version so idk if that counts glacer is good for reasons >>4083550 mentioned happytown is looming dread kino, and flashback (forma de noelle) is that dread realized genoslides only has two songs, and they're fight songs and unfortunately nothing in deltarune is directly comparable except for maybe burning eyes
>>4083553he tells stories that take full advantage of the vidya medium, and that's pretty cool i think
>>4083552No wonder she fell completely for Kris after he removed the rose and told her that everything was okay and fucked off
>>4083554He doubled down because he knows no one gives a sincere fuck, it's solely moral purist grifters looking to farm outrage for engagement. If people REALLY gave a fuck, they would've been mad ten years ago when Manchild Papyrus and Otaku Freak Alphys, two known adults, both went on dates with Frisk, a canonical child.
>>4083554Pink goes over everyone's head because no one really cares or thinks too much about the mad dummy.
>>4083556Making a plot that spits on your for even trying to play does not take advantage of the medium. It's an attack on the medium.
>>4083556I think he holds back from using gameplay to evoke certain feelings it absolutely can and has, so I wouldn't say he uses it completely fully. But he has a good grasp on fine manipulation, so to speak, of what any given bit of gameplay evokes.
>>4083553Toby does have a very good grasp on how fandom works compared to old media types, but he never uses that knowledge for something positive.
>>4083555But nobody came or i dunno how it's called is pretty good, is just that you just listen on repeat in the entire run, genocide lacks songs unlike wr
>>4083562That is neither what I'm talking about nor is it something I'd agree with.
>>4083559The mad ghost should have been roasted by ralsei.Take the doll out of the dark world, put it back in, problem solved. The fact that the game breaks every one of its rules with strangers entering dark world for that freak is unacceptable.
>>4083565>the game breaks its rules?
>>4083558In fairness they were both "practice dates" and Frisk is the one character Alphys DOESN'T have a neet crush on
the mad ghost should have been fucked by asgore
>>4083540Going off of the album itself the only ones he had help on or didn't do entirely by himself are>chapter logo>i guess im in love>garden of hopes and dreams>rakuichi buster>flower castle>cutie mew mew magic>flower man>field of hopes and dreams (credits)which is like 8 out of 40 songs
>>4083566Asgore enters Fountain, Susie and ralsei make it very clear that he has to leave and that flowerys in the wrong for keeping him there, and ends with asgore and flowery agreeing that the fountain needs to closeThe mad ghost? The fucker tells them about wanting to live there forever, gets rewarded with a free space in castle town
>>4083571so the majority of songs you hear in the chapterbaka toby san, no wonder ch5 was a flop
>>4083571>field of hopes and dreamsDon't you mean Scarlet Forest?
>>4083572Okay. I don't see where "the game" broke its own rules.
>>4083575That strangers shouldn't be invited into dark worlds because they can't be trusted
>>4083559Actually that was the whole argument, because of Mad ghost she was automatically an adult so it was wrong, even when it's clarified that the body is the one that likes him and still goes to school technically speaking, it's the most morally correct option because it would be a double date as vessels and adult hosts possesing them>>4083558Lmao, i think current DR fans just choose to ignore how you could flirt with Toriel as a child or god forbid, they didn't even play UT, which i think it's the case, UT is 10 years old and new fans probably barely knows about it just to jump on the current popular thing
>>4083577undertale is a sacred cow that you cannot criticize
>>4083576And that rule was from "the game" rather than a couple of characters because...?
>>4083579This was the justification to not have catti or jockington in the dark world, or to have berldy appear again, or to have toriel as a party member Why should the game bend for this larper who rapes their doll
>>4083574No I meant deltarune_piano_collections_by_trevor_alan_gomes
>>4083574I hope the intern who slipped up got fired.
>>4083580It wasn't the justification for any of those things. Nor is the rule from "the game". Does "the game" tell you you're evil if you kill monsters in Undertale? No. Same deal here. Characters are not supposed to be in the right just because the game has them do something and you don't get the option to say "no".
>>4083577>it's clarified that the body is the one that likes him and still goes to schoolBut Maddie remains an adult and is experiencing kissing a teenager from a first person view anyway
>>4083584Then don't force me to like the character. I don't like the mad ghost. And I want to remove it from Mew Mew.
>>4083551Ok kid
>>4083585Which Toby seems to think there's nothing wrong so he added more kisses, pretty fucking funny honestlyThat aside, the experience is kinda weird because somehow Maddie didn't hear the whole FRIEND conversation, it's like the body took full control
>>4083558Things were different ten years agoBack then, Frisk's gender was up to your interpretation, no one yelled at you for nonbinary erasure if you said otherwise
>>4083560>Making a plot that spits on your for even trying to play does not take advantage of the medium.Yes it does.
>>4083562I admire nixing entire chapter parts for dragging ass like ch.3's third board, or the sneaking sections for being unfun and getting pared down to a joke segment
>>4083563Genocide has a full OST, it's the regular songs in slowmo.
>>4083591>pretty fucking funny honestlyit's not funny when he is a pussy for shit like the wilting rose
>>4083592>>4083592Pretty much, even for the lewds people didn't care that much, now you have people hunting you any age gap, modern fandom for any media in general is so fucking gay and lame now
>>4083591in true Kris/Soul relationship fashion the body tries to hide as much shit as possible from the friend inside of them
>>4083570That would just be giving her what she wants
>>4083593A game that takes advantage of the medium makes people actually want to play it. Like, for fun.
>>4083572Pink is different because she's half darkner and Maddie is stuck in the figurine so dark world is the only place he can move around
>>4083584>Does "the game" tell you you're evil if you kill monsters in Undertale?Yeah.
>>4083601Then take the doll out of the Dark world, and take the schizo outHonestly I know a guy who hates the mad ghost more than I do, that's who sold me on just how much this character sucks
>>4083587>Then don't force me to like the character.
>>4083598Woah, both vessels hiding shit>>4083603As far we know the doll will die without a host like Kris, how the fuck that works who knows but it's thereAlso technically, you could deny the ghost fantasy if you don't do the secret boss because it would be completely clueless that the dark world was closed, something i don't see people bring, maybe it will be like the other secrets bosses if you ignore it but who knows
I'M A SICK FUCKI LIKE A QUICK PROTEIN(WHOOP!)I'M A SICK FUCKI LIKE A QUICK PROTEIN(WHOOP!)
>>4083606>the doll will die without a hostThat's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
>>4083606>the doll will die without a host Then the other ghost shouldn't be allowed anywhere near tennaThe mad ghost created this problem because it wanted to rape a dollFuck this character, it's truly embodies the schizoboss and should have been treated as such and not as a big dumb joke, or worse, a big dumb joke tied to the shadow crystal quest that may or may not be required to get to chapter 7 and fight the final boss.
>>4083596The rose has connotations of rape or lost virginity that he clearly didn't intend despite it also working for what he was trying to convey (MINDBREAK / more literal loss of innocence/control)
>>4083602You have zero grasp of perspective.
>>4083613SEX with QUEEN so she can give BIRTH as PROMISED on the BASKETBALL COURT
i bet if noelle were here she'd let us take it for free
>>4083615Nah. She'd recognize Gerson frame one, remember how Dess looked up to him, and use that as reasoning for why Kris can't just take it without paying.
>>4083619Yet another missed opportunity created solely because Toby couldn't bear to have Noelle in a dark world again.
I'm about to place down the least provable theory ever. I'm not even going to support it, its just going to be thrown out there as food to chew on rather than serious theorizing.What if Tenna wasn't even really having a mental breakdown? What if just wanted to stall the fun gang and the mental breakdown was acting to clear away all suspicion that he was stalling them for ulterior motives?
>>4083621Maybe it started as such but Doom Board was a full-on mental breakdown.Really, Tenna would have made for a fantastic shadow crystal boss.
>>4083615>getting mad at a fictional characterWhat causes this mental illness?
The spirit of old man gerson, meeting two kids who were so little when he was teaching their brother and sister. Teaching them how to proceed in their new difficult situations.That seems way more interesting than this literal stranger showing up to meet him.
>>4083625Not really.
>>4083627Why not? Why bother making this backstop where Kris and Noelle gave the darkners we see their personalities and stuff, if you're not going to do anything with it? It's a gold mine of content, wasted.
>>4083623Then he truly would be Spamton at home
>>4083615honestly there should've been an option to steal it back, like>"You got the Rhapsotea.">"Susie is looking away, Take back your D$?">pick take back, "No one would've used it anyways.">pick to not take it back, "Who is gonna use this money, anyways?"boom, you can be sure that you won't waste money if you don't want to, speaking of money, i always found it weird that susie tells you to pay up even if you never interacted with the table before so susie couldn't know that gerson wanted you to pay for it
>>4083621why can't it be both
>>4083625>way more interestingLove to hear specifics on how aside from you just liking your own fanfics
>>4083619>remember how dess looked up to himpure speculationthe only characters that we know of that actually interacted with gerson are alvin, his son, and asriel, who was started to be in his classwhile dess is implied to have been in that same class, we have zero anything connecting the two of them at all
>>4083631It's almost like Susie has always been a genuinely decent person despite how everyone itt hates her
>>4083629I don't know, why would Toby put something like that in his story? Explain for me.
>>4083634I believe Susie is squatting in Noelle's spot. I believe having Kris and noelle reconnect through the dark worlds and the "people" they created is a much more interesting idea than just having everyone suck up to susie
>>4083638Because he's an idiot who made this nice concept and wasted it by doing nothing with it.
>>4083631Gerson has a price tag on his hammeryou can easily assume his actual shop had them as well
>>4083635>Gerson is an accomplished and famous writer who likes to inspire others but there's no way any more than like 3 or 4 people ever interacted with him
>>4083636>a genuinely decent personmore like a milk drinker, she has always been a suck-up to older people that she considers authority figures, first toriel then gerson, she always acts super duper obedient and too stuck up instead of casual even if it isn't necessary to act like it, the fact she forces herself to stand upright and talk like she's walking in a minefield in front of toriel proves this, i bet you if it was any other person she respected but didn't consider an authority figure, she would've taken it already, its not selflessness, but moreso ingrained fear of consequences from her parents, she's not perfect in that front.
>>4083624I hate the writers who wrote this retard more and how they demand I like the fictional character
>>4083640So are you gonna give a reason for why this would be the case, or are you just going to seethe at Toby Fox for doing something you don't understand?
>>4083639Yeah this is what I mean. Ideas always sound good when they're vague notions but that's all you've got, you have no actual detailed specifics because the moment you commit to it you realize that what you have to offer is at best no better than what we got.
>>4083643 (me)(that being said, i'm not saying she's a bad person, but this moment is def more so fear of consequences than actual selflessness imo, she knows nothing is gonna happen if she takes it for free but she was raised not to do it "or else", anyways)
>>4083646It's better than having no ideas at all.
>>4083643She's a teenager
>>4083644...They're not demanding that? The game just runs with the assumption that you like the characters, like most stories. If you don't like the characters than you should probably stop playing deltarune.
>>4083642fact of the matter is, we only factually know two relationships gerson had, which was a rocky one with his son and that he was asriel's teacher in highscool we have not gotten a whisper of what anyone else has thought of him, or who he was to them
>>4083648It's not a contest, kek
>>4083650*then, not than. Oops.
>>4083650I don't like every character. And if I stop playing I have no game to play.
>>4083650Anon, don't...
>>4083645>>4083646Would you prefer I draw out some scenes and show you
>>4083655CoLkun... Your mod...
>>4083641Susie tells you it costs $99 when Gerson actually sells it for $250, she's just making up a price
>>4083649i know, i didn't mean to imply she was a bad person (see >>4083647), all i'm saying is, yes, she's a teenager in a shitty household, of course it would be so ingrained in her to not take anything without permission that, when faced with a situation where she could take something free from gerson (authority figure in her eyes)'s shop for free, she chickens out and tells you to pay up because that's what she's been taught by fear
>>4083646Motherfucker we have the ch2 december walk, the concept was always there but only used there
>>4083661>she's a teenager in a shitty household we don't know that lolwe know absolutely jack shit about susie's home life outside of the implication she lives in the rightmost apartment
>>4083651Gerson tells Susie that she reminds him of someone he used to know, which running with other dialogue implies that he was probably Dess' mentor aswell.
>>4083613>king x queen contentnow that's what i call rare
>>4083657My point is anyone can come up with any kind of idea that they say is "way more interesting" but until some sort of proof of concept, an idea with no backing is basically worthless in a context where you are comparing it to an idea that was successfully executed in full.
>>4083657Fuck it, sure.
>>4083611Anon, the weird route was rapey since chapter 2.And chapter 5 was arguably even more of a sex metaphor than the previous ones.
Do I need to play Reddittale before playing Redditrune?
>>4083666implies and probably's are not actual, definitive facts they're just vagueposts with no name attached gerson could just as well have been talking about bratty or cattyor burgerpantssince he didn't give a name, his comparison is meaningless outside of it making susie feel better about herself
>>4083671Yeah.
>>4083671don't forget redditbound, yume reddit, reddoff and omoreddit
>>4083671kinda sortayou should be familiar with it at the very least but it's not a sequel, or prequel
>>4083664alright, explain why susie refuses to let kris into her house, or why susie doesn't call her parents after toriel told her so despite susie being previously so stuck up obedient around toriel (her negative feelings towards her own household are stronger than her ingrained fear of consequences), or why she would rather sleep in kris' house (before deciding to sleep in castle town after seeing toriel drunk) before her own home, or why she never talks about her home life, or why she's surprised over kris' family being rough "too" ("Kris, I... didn't realize, y'know? Your family's... got it rough, too.")
>>4083672>Implications don't exist the game has to spoonfed me EVERYTHING in VIVID DETAIL at EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.>I LITERALLY CANNOT come to reasonable conclusions from information given to me because i am RETARDED.
>>4083670I didn't see sex or rape at all, I saw simple control
Ramb's mention of Kris and " that girl" makes way more sense if Noelle's actually there in the room. He'd actually have a real reason to bring her up, because you know, he brought her over again.
>>4083676Susie is a rich kid who wants to feel normal
>>4083674I have read the synopsis for Omoreddit and it was pretty fucked up. Like damn.
>>4083680see pic related
>>4083680Read the dialogue during the lake skip and picture Kris rumping Noelle over it.
>>4083684>>4083685I fear you two have an erection while posting and I want no part of it
Meanwhile in a better universe...
>>4083681THAT HORRIBLE GIRL
>>4083630There's a reason him and Spamton always swap with each other in AUs.
>>4083672I don't get it, Undertale was never that egregious with the vagueposting. Toriel may have done for Asgore, but by Waterfall you already knew what the plan was.
>>4083682>Susie actually made up her entire backstory so the player would feel bad for her, except she actually doesn't say anything about her homelife at all.And what does this add to the story exactly?
>>4083678i tire of toby's vagueposting and mystery boxes i've been along for this ride for nearly 8 years now i want some actual, definitive answers
>>4083686nahI beat my meat so hard to femboy maddie I'm still recovering
>>4083684If you changed literally nothing about DR EXCEPT adding in casual sex, the game would only improve
>>4083666wouldn't he mean Rudy or Carol? if it was Dess then Gerson would've recognized Kris since they aren't too far off Dess' Age (toriel said that Kris is close to going to college soon too like asriel and we can infer that dess and asriel are around the same age, so if Dess knew gerson then Gerson would've known Kris too (since it's all the same school) and would've made at least some reference to knowing them if Gerson had heard of Kris at any point prior to his death
>>4083687>first JusticeGrave>now FireShock
>>4083692Makes her even more hateable
>>4083692The same thing her presence added. Nothing.
>>4083694Maddie is a plain girl with thick eyebrows, it was revealed to me in a dream
>>4083682that's noelle dumbass
>>4083697Member how Toby made the dojo worse and worse? Yeah, no, the game is actually getting suckier and suckier.
>>4083700I don't mind that either
Gerson was a teacher ever since Alvin was a kid assuming the turtle drawing in the unused classroom was from him, meaning that he also was Carol and Rudy's teacher.Maybe Susie reminded him of Carol when she was younger.
>>4083697Are you fucking dumb? He has FireShock but decides not to use it against the cataclysmic force because "The Player" who's done nothing but be helpful is somehow more dangerous
>>4083690Yeah in fact that's why the finale works, the context has been built up over the course of the story and all that's left is payoff.
>>4083682my pet susie theory is that her home life is actually totally fine and average, but it bores her to tears and that's why she acts out
>>4083704maybe susie reminded him of torielperchance susie has a future of being a drunk party slut, like her former idol
>>4083707Or shes just retarded like how the game retconned her into being
>>4083707I'm sort of leery on that being the case since it makes her Noelle without the deep psychological scars of THAT HORRIBLE DAY
Susie mindbroke a lot of anons here.
>>4083687>Ralsei acted hopeless but didn't use his super duper spell attackSo what's the explanation? He knew everything was going to be fine there and was just putting on an act to make the experience better for the others?Also I just thought of something. That plain bullet he used fireshock against in 5 implies he holds back or not based on his mood, not the actual danger of the situation. It's kinda funny.
>>4083698The game doesn't want you to hate Susie though. At most it wants you to be critical of her decisions and concerned for her future.>>4083699...Did you play the game with your eyes closed?
>>4083705>Are you fucking dumb?Are you? You sound like a parrot that can't actually read, given you somehow thought this was about the ralsei fire magic debate.Ralsei doesn't have "FireShock". And the joke is that this is the second time someone has suggested a dumb name for a spell.
>>4083711The writers made a bad character and expect you to worship her the way half the game does, I will treat said character as a bad character
>>4083711I have been dumbfounded by Susie's character arc since 2. 4 was just the final nail in the coffin.
>>4083687>>4083697Everything is Shock and Grave with you fags, this is why fan AU shit gets mogged hard by even the smallest crumb of official material, you're all way too derivative and unoriginal.
>>4083708>Drunk party slut SusieSomebody please draw this please please please please pleaseeeee
>>4083701That's what makes them a perfect couple
ENTER>KrisBuster
>>4083717Yeah FireTomb is a better name.
>>4083713Eyes were open. I remember how Susie rejected the adventure, refused to be commanded, and joined the enemy. I hated her then. I tolerated her after chapter 1, now I hate her just as much.
>>4083714>>4083717>Iceshock?>Ice on the Ice Palace boss?>Don't you wanna try Fireshock or something?Ralsei's move would be called FireShock. Don't hate me, hate TobyAnd so it stands to reason that Susie's SnowGrave equivalent would just be ____Grave
*AHEM*Temmiegrave
>>4083705Yeah but he totally needed to use it against the silly meme man
Aqua knifegrave
>>4083717Meet the potential route:>5 chapters in>half a chapter worth of altered overworld places>2 whole chapters and another entire dark world skipped>1 chapter with nothing at all>2 actual songs exclusive to it>1 altered boss battle>0 original exclusive boss battles>cutscenes and more cutscenes>not gonna be part of the next release
>>4083695>chapter 1: Kris has casual sex with Ralsei after enough hugs>chapter 2: Noelle and Susie have sex in the ferris wheel while Kris and Ralsei get back on the swan boat to have risky peril sex around the acid lake all while discussing their plans in between moans, also Rouxls tries fucking Queen but he gets tied up and whipped on the room after the tasque manager fight>chapter 2 weird route: kris and noelle have casual rape>chapter 3: if you go to S rank room, you hear darkners having a super orgy, if you go to Z rank room, you see the darkners having a super orgy AND you get to join in, also rouxls has poly sex with the weather duo and the roaring knight sucks kris off if you win the knight's battle>chapter 4: poly sex in noelle's house>chapter 5: susie is implied to have had sex with ralsei in the morning, whatever duo gets into the ferris wheel has sex, sans also gives you a free condom if you pick kriselle or krusie, and Flowery has on-screen sex with Asgore, Blue and Seth explain to Aqua about Human Anatomy by showing off Blue and Yellow together, also yes yellow and blue have sex, Orange gets taught by Pink how to fuck but since pink only has a pussy she only learns how to have lesbian sex, also Kris x Pink sexo in the flower shop>chapter 5 weird route: Kriselle sex in the lake babyy
>>4083724Deltarune vs Temmies: Spark of Holy
>>4083722>I came to Deltarune to complete the mission.
>>4083724why are mad faces so hot?
>>4083728you forgot miss mizzle sex
>Start of game>Susie's rudeness stat is 100>Recruit her to the party>It drops to 99>Get to next chapter>It drops to 89>???>Get to chapter 5>Susie's rudeness is just 100Did Toby just forget this?
>>4083680This bitch was literally screaming Kris name
>>4083728>enough hugs>Congratulations! You have unlocked all Ralsei sex scenes by hugging him (ZERO) times!The weather duo sex scene would be them trying to fuck the squad while Rules uses the laser to point out g-spots and prostates or something
>I came to Deltarune
>>4083727you'll see peak once chapter 1-7 side B releases
>>4083736>so i haveth a laser pointere.
>>4083734It's at 100 because she refuses your orders to attack
>>4083671Chapter 1 light world section is way more impacful if you played UT because you will see weird dialogue choices that won't make sense if DR is your first game
>>4083734if he did, he's a hackif it's on purpose, susie's regression is intentional and thus we are correct to shit on her
>>4083731Can't believe someone who got a game wants to beat the game before they die.
>>40837393 seriously was the funniest chapter and it's not even close>Oh so that's what he meant
>>4083736no more hugs, kris
>>4083738Wow! Less than 1 (one) Undertale worth of an alternate route in a game several times longer!
>>4083744roulxs hitting the johnny bravo for his own dance animation caught me off-guard
>>4083738Where's graze challenge 2
>>4083745You can hug him an infinite amount of times but he's such a doormat that you don't need to
>>40837467B is way bigger than the 2 in the page btw
>>4083734he forgot but its the memberberries chapter so it works out anyway
>>4083734>Susie became an asshole again after becoming obsessed with noelle and deciding to aggressively cuck kris at every turnno wonder
>>4083755Game still forces you to watch
>>4083748
>>4083734Depends. What happens to Susie's rudeness in chapter 4? Is it just stuck at 89?
>>4083745YOU OWE ME.
>>4083751Bigger than the chapter that was only ~1/2 different.
i fear for the release of chapter 6, because depending on what it says on the "to be continued in chapter 7 (year)" section, it might confirm or debunk the ch1-7 Side B theory
>>4083734I wonder why Ralsei randomly has a guts stat in chapter 3 but then it goes back to 0 afterwardsmaybe because he's ERAM?
>>4083761He could've been working on Side B all along and that's why it's been taking so long
>>4083761Oh, you think the guy who didn't bother updating previous chapters to match the content of the newer ones is going to make a new game +?
>>4083763>SpoilerThat's so retarted.
>>4083758susie's rudeness has been at a baseline 100 since Chapter 3 it looks like
7B will actually become a roguelike with actual rpg elementsThat 100 floor in the 10th UT anniversary was a proof concept
>>4083734This is the same guy who forgot about the Jackenstein titan spawn thing and Susie's magic bonus from beating Gerson and has yet to fix stuff like Kris' slide animationHe just doesn't care
>>4083770his magnum opus that he's had in his head in some form since 2011 and the reason why he became a game dev btw
>>4083769Yeah and there won't be any new mechanics. It'd play out just like MANTLE with a hundred floors of you just hitting things and it's supposed to suck just like UT's genocide
7B will be Hometown Massacre and you will like it.
>>4083774why the fuck would noelle ever return to that shithole after she escaped it
>>4083766it would kinda spoil the surprise dont you think?
>>4083712If Susie and Kris can't purify a even baby Titan on their own then the tale is already lost.
>>4083775>shes used up hehehehe and then ill get to FUCK my hot gray self!!! >;)
>>4083777>kris can do good damage with the blackshard>susie does middling damage >ralsei does jack shit despite having powerful fire magic GODelle would've stepped up and froze that fucker no problem
>>4083774Waiting warmly for my Doom WAD 7B. Or at least a Hotline Miami clone. Or even>my name is not important
>>4083777i literally killed the titan spawns without the blackshard, if i can, they can do it too
>>4083778I say this.
>>4083779>>4083781>muh damageThis is what jrpgtards actually believe.
>>4083775You see, she hates those NPC's so fucking much that she decided to go back and farm real EXecution Points
>>4083779it was said by the check text that FATAL damage attacks kill the titan, the doeGOD noelle will solo the roaring with enough snowgraves
>>4083784they needed high damage to break the titan's faceplate dps is what gave them the opportunity to seal it even if it wasn't the actual way it was defeated
>>4083775She was ____ UP
>>4083774"Chapter 7B will have you take the vessel and GENOCIDE everyone in hometown!" is like the composite of every terrible weird route prediction>genocidefagging>noelle being unimportant to the grand scheme of the weird route>reducing the WR into purely shallow evilmaxxing with no real goal in mind>making the player an abstract one dimensional evil>completely dismissing established themes of the WR>ignoring established and foreshadowed plot elements in favour of a contrived scenario>misunderstanding of how toby fox writes metanarratives>wish fufillment that adds nothing to the story and is totally meaningless
>>4083785her and kris should be more concerned with getting sexecution points
>>4083775Return? We've just no-clipped into the REAL hometown. It's time to get down to business.
>>4083789I agree that is more character driven, but that doesn't mean killing people is off the table, otherwise the whole mantle board is actually the third evil route
>>4083789>anon talks about "muhh themes n shitt" while ignoring the MANTLE game's existencewhat the fuck is the MANTLE game for if "um actually we aren't killing shit" ends up being the weird route? what would it predict if not the grand unprecedented chance to powermax our way up to chapter 7-tier stats for the roaring and be able to solo it with sheer force?
>>4083789Hey man go complain to Toby for making Mantle 3 and the Weird Route foreshadowing site for saying Chapter 3 is one of the most important chapters for Side B.
>>4083687chances are he probably wouldn't even have a good chance to use it here anyway for a similar reason you don't use Rude Buster during the actual fight
>>4083767It gets worse, it will be revealed he isn't evil but only acted that way to make the game interesting for Kris
>>4083795>chances are he probably wouldn't even have a good chance to use it here anyway for a similar reason you don't use Rude Buster during the actual fightwe can use rude buster on the titan fight, retard
Is ERAM a boy/girl/secret third thing?
>>4083797no I mean you wouldn't use Rude Buster during the fight because you're saving up TP to unleash ya dunce
>>4083789>killing everyone and imagining themselves as Kris because he's with Noelle in WR>wish fufillmentSelf insertfags and genofags are a thoroughly revolting combination.
>>4083798eram is dess coded so femaledeltarune is a girl's game after all
>>4083795Ralsei can bend the rules, he'd just make his FireShock spell 0 TP for that fight
>>4083798he's nothing, only an object given form by darkness, ERAM can be your hot daddy, ERAM can be your hot mommy, ERAM can be a trans boy, ERAM can be a trans woman, ERAM can be a futa, ERAM can cater to your every whim if tamed, because he's nothing yet everything, and if you desire an orgy, he'll summon IMAGE_FRIENDs or even the roaring knight, just be careful to not have any eggs on you, or you'll wind up being cat food instead...
>>4083802It's a fake zero TP though so it turns out after the fight that he was burning through his life force but didn't want to distract them from the fight
>>4083798ERAM is RalseiEveryone who coomed to ERAM being some smug little brat is in for a rude awakening
>>4083799i've used rude buster a few times in that fight
>>4083805Yeah a sexy rude awakening
>>4083805This is just evil Ralsei again.
>>4083793Mantle could just be a representations of events and the killing is actually just beating them like Asgore and the Pink singing catBut still the whole minigame is about becoming stronger by stabbing people>>4083800Dunno what you expect when we have so little information, genocide 2.0 or Kriselle fucked up date are the most popular interpretations because we have no fucking idea what will actually happen
>>4083808eram is just the character that ralsei was playing as, from ralsei's perspective, his floating mini-ralsei was fighting an evil rape knight wearing full gray armor, while you were fighting ERAM
>>4083808Yeah and KriselleKnight is just Kris Knight againTurns out we were right about everything in chapter 1
>>4083793>actually, themes and writing aren't important at all. let me fight sands undertale and meet chara againAnd to think you people are going to seethe when there isn't a "hometown massacre" in 7B....>>4083794MANTLE represents more than one thing.
>>4083806unleash costs 80 TP. did you use a tension item? why? the fight's already short as hell and it would be better spent on just unleashing again right after the shield comes back up
>>4083787And Ralsei attacks it like everyone else. But defeating the baby Titan with FIREGRAVE or whatever would mean nothing in the long run.
>>4083813Then explain the big 3 in the Weird Route foreshadowing website if the entirety of Mantle isn't all about Side B
>>4083811kriselle knight is just the coward's noelle knight
>>4083815it means ralsei is SANDBAGGING and that toby is a HACK for having ralsei canonically prefer the world ending over using fireshock to kill a titan
>Evil ralsei 2.0>Krisknight 2.0>Hometown Genocide 2.0You people really can't let go of debunked theories.
>>4083820here's how kris knight can still win
>>4083820Hometown Massacre isn't debunked yet though
>>4083635Susie and Dess parallels. If Gerson could make a breakthrough on the brash retard, he could've done well in teaching Dess when she still attended school, despite whatever quirks she might've had that made her trouble to educate.
ERAM is a brat that gets hard by watching Kris being violent so xhe pushes himWhich is why it's the horned hairband because it retained the memory of young Kris being violent, more proof thanks to AquaWhat lore implications does that have and for the mantle? dunno lmao i just coom
>>4083809>Mantle could just be a representations of events and the killing is actually just beating them like Asgore and the Pink singing cat>But still the whole minigame is about becoming stronger by stabbing peopleKris... oh, kris... so deluded into thinking that your perverted actions with her won't lead your blade against the ones you love...you're scared just like her, you know!you two have the same desire...for something new.for something out of your predetermined path.but you're also scared of taking the steps.so you cope, "it's fine! i'm not gonna kill them all!""everything will be alright!"until suddenly, you find yourself with their dust on your bloodied clothes and your sharp knife...with the MISSING ONE's dust...you're afraid because, once they're all but a pile of dust...you'll find out you've enjoyed it all alongyou'll find out you've enabled it all alongyou'll find out you've refused to stop all alongyou always wanted this to happen, didn't you?...Without play...The knife grows dull.
>>4083817...Its big because it tells you how to do the weird route. This literally doesn't disprove anything are you fucking stupid???
>>4083819Keep being retarded.
>>4083823>quirks>beating and molesting a child
>>4083823>susie and dess parallels we know fuck all about dess, how can we say that susie is a parallel?years of vagueposting has caused everyone to just start making shit up in their heads to fill the gaps toby didn't want to fill because of spoilers or some shit
>>4083826Yeah the first two boards are a tutorial on how to do the Weird Route and the third board is the future of the Weird Route.
>>4083827ok then big brain, why didn't ralsei use fireshock against the titan? it was already something he wasn't expecting to happen, surely that would give him a little leeway into using his more potent magic
>>4083820I keep telling people, we are going to kill goner clone backups of the main cast in MEAT FACTORYit explains why there's multiple fish and dinosaurs in MANTLE or how there's both lightners and darkners together (Asgore and the flowers) (Maddie and Mew)
>>4083825ERAM if you give me the Vessel i will do Side B 5 times in a row.
>>4083834fighting clones would let you "kill everyone" while not at the same time so it could be likely tobias will take this as the safe out to have his cake and eat it too
>>4083824Why is a red hornband capable of diagetically talking to the player via email.
How people think the Vessel is going to move like in 7B.
>>4083837eram being the person behind the ARG is pure fanfiction, there is no proof of that anywhere and yet everyone is taking it as a fact just like dess being the knight
>>4083837headband get ipad
>>4083839I mean who else could it be. FRIEND is retarted cats and Gaster doesn't talk like that.
>>4083832The point wasn't defeating it, it was putting power in Susie's hands. Do we really have to repeat the true lesson of strength again bro?
>>4083837Things related to Kris seems to go way beyond the typical darkner, it was Ramb that gave us access to the Mantle game, also it could depend in how Kris lost the hornbandOr ERAM is some sort of Kris manifestation like that thing from omoriboy that has no counterpart but is heavily tied to Kris>>4083839Nope but the red eyes is both mentioned in ARG and ERAM
>>4083829Ahhhh, you're right, I forgot, the big reveal is that Dess never actually existed and she's just a memory injection put into the residents of Hometown to service their backstories, same way Mike never existed but was memory injected into Tenna and Spamton to service their backstories.
>>4083839>Speaks in an identical tone of voice as ERAM>Talking about kris' "red eyes dance", with ERAM being the only character in Deltarune to talk about Kris' eyes in general.>Is extremely knowledgable about future events and the universe in general.>ERAM is seemingly the only character besides Gaster who could realistically pull off shit like this, and it's not Gaster since he only speaks in all-caps.>Has a vested interest in the weird routeGEEZ. I SURE WONDER WHO COULD BE TALKING TO US. MAYBE CHARA???
>yeah bro all the lore is in this cryptic 8bit atari minigameI've got a big apology to make to FNAFfags
>Kris is also holding back FUCKING INSTANT MERCYCome on dud
>>4083847Scott and Toby actually worked together on fnaf World btw.
>>4083846No bro it's too much vagueposting, we can't be for certain, Tricky Tony could be waiting to subvert us yet again by having the ARG text belong to a NEW character who JUST so happens to share speaking patterns with ERAM, just like how Discarding Text shares speaking patterns with Chara but it probably isn't Chara.
>>4083848She's just a cute puppy awwwwww
>>4083845you jest but comparing mike to dess is surprisingly applicable they're both ghosts that provide motivation for characters but are hardly characters themselves
>>4083847Having the ''FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ICE MAGIC'' sealed the 8bit as importantYou will also need to prepare an apology for the Knight reveal because that's what the fandom criticize with any Knight candidate as fnaffags
>>4083850ERAM shares speaking patterns with Chara so maybe they are the second voice in the intro.
>>4083848>short stature>dainty princess hands>puppy dog eyes that can cause anyone to melt instantly femkris deniers in total shambles
>another episode of people taking mantle too literally>when we already crossed over to the other side (opened the door) and no edgelord massacre of any sort occurred >when the entire point of WR is going your own way instead of following a set pathyou are all being PLAYED
>>4083831>futureThe last part is a retelling of what Kris did before resetting his save and choosing to do things differently
>>4083837Got Queen's help
>>4083856My own way is following the Mantle way.
>>4083855he's obvs a feminine-presenting male you fucking chud
>>4083848>MercyGrave
>>4083861But we already have Ralsei for that. Why do we need TWO feminine males?
>>4083844are you saying eram is a fucking demon?could it be the thing they summoned with catti..
ERAM is Chara, this is a post-genocide world that was brought back and he's waiting to see if Kris will kill everyone again. The Titans are out to stop Kris, hence the song name GUARDIAN.
>>4083863what do you mean why there can never be ENOUGH
>>4083865Sounds pretty boring.
Wait, what is /vrpg/'s knight candidate?
>>4083856>Xhe doesn't know it's out of orderFOOL! that's what the dog wants you to thinkWhen you go back, you will fight Asgore + 7 flowers
>>4083848I don't really blame him for not giving his all when most enemies are convinced after an ACT or two anyway
>>4083868noelle, followed by asrielanything else is schizoshit or hype and aura shit
>>4083868Literally everyone
>>4083864ERAM is almost certainly a demon like FRIEND. Considering how many ridiculous feats they have:>Only DELTARUNE character besides Gaster to have canonically interacted with talked with the player outside of the game>Capable of tampering with Gaster's DEVICE by summoning FRIENDs and interrupting him during the gonermaker sequence.>Capable of trapping the soul in a video game>Capable of killing the soul inside of a video game>Capable of COMPLETELY BREAKING THE BARRIER BETWEEN REALITY AND FICTION BY HAVING KRIS WALK INTO THE GAME TO GRAB THE SHADOW MANTLE, AND VICE VERSA WITH HERO_SWORD.I don't think they could be anything conventional like a darkner...
>>4083846Weird NoelleShe also was the one who discarded our vessel
>>4083868There's a good number of Noelle Knighters here, whether directly Noelle or Kriselle Knight, runner-ups being a split between doomposters who expect Asriel Knight so Toby can win the Posted It Again Award and various minorities like Rudy Knighters and "Knight doesn't have an identity, it's literally just Knight" believers.
>>4083869WITH OUR POWERS COMBINEDOMEGA ASGORE
>>4083868Everything except Dessknight because contrarianism.>>4083875Are you saying ERAM is Noelle from the future??
>>4083868Nobody, it's an echo of someone instead of an actual person.
>>4083868all signs point to noelle right now and anyone who says otherwise are either hype and aura tards or are in denial about noelle actually being important to the plot
>>4083876Weird how there’s zero Dessknighters.Too normie i guess?
>>4083868For me it's Carol Knight.
>>4083868Alphys for teh funneh
>>4083880Absolutely>(It's Noelle's bed. Under it is a metal CD with a photo of Noelle in dark makeup.)>Woah, what the hell is this?>UMM... Catti, wanted a custom cover for her mix CD, so...>... it's cool. You should, uh... do this look... more.>Faha, if you can get my mom to let me go grimdark?And she ends up doing a role inversion just like Homestuck works where she goes grimdark and turns from being a holy angel of ice to a fallen angel of fire
>>4083887If we could actually see what ERAM looked like it'd be Goth Noelle
>>4083883...Im a Dessknighter.../vrpg/ is just retarded. Dessknight is the only theory that holds ground and doesn't require extremely contrived scenarios that ignore things already established by the game.
>>4083868Kris knife with Dess dust on it
>>4083889She can't be the ''findher.ogg'' at the same time if Kris is working with her
>>4083883Nothing to discuss about it because it's too obviously correct. Can't really have a 100 post argument about vibes and vague hints when it's so in your face.
>>4083883Dess Knight has the problem that we're five chapters in and barely know anything about Dess aside from surface-level takes, the fact she went missing, and that if she DOES actually exist, she's most likely the Unused Text that's lost in the deepest dark who's about to get mauled and raped by FRIENDs.
>>4083887>turns from being a holy angel of ice to a fallen angel of fireThat's what you get for relentlessly attacking her in Mantle
>>4083882how does noelleknight explain the gerson issue?from the popular contenders asriel, rudy, carol, and alphys are the only ones who could have known him personally
>>4083891I don't see how her being both disproves anything. Especially if the knight is "not really Dess" like how Flowey is "not really asriel"
>>4083894>we're five chapters in and barely know anythingFull stop.
>>4083896If Asriel was in the same class as Dess (they were) then Dess would have known about Gerson too. Also we already discussed this.
>>4083897If she a variant of Dess like a memory or echo then sure, she can be both the Knight and the lost girl, but it would be weird if it was normal Dess, because that's what most people think of her
>>4083889>>4083891>>4083897the real thing that disproves dessknight is that carol is in the conspiracy with kris and the knight, and she's also looking for dess. there's a perfect image that illustrates how retarded it would be but i don't have it.
>>4083896noelle is a big fan of dragon blazers, and obviously would've known that gerson's work was inspired by them due to how well known his work was and that he lived in the same townand we know gerson did care about the games as well, more than alvin did at the very least so imagine if the guy who effectively wrote your favourite games lived in the same town as you and was a cool old guy when you were like 7 you'd think he was the coolest guy to ever live
>>4083898Toby.. go back to work in 7b or something
>>4083901Dessknight doesn't require her to be normal at all. The knight literally RIPS ITS CHEST OPEN, TRANSFORMS INTO A BIRD, and its true form is A TINY FLOATING ORB.
>>4083903>and she's also looking for dessWho said that?
>>4083903>Why doesn't Flowey just live with Toriel as a soulless flower? Is he stupid?
>>4083909He tried but he got bored of it.
>>4083903It's Triple Trucies. Just as it's an arrangement of "Kris is trucies with Noelle who's aware he's trucies with Queen and Berdly but neither Queen nor Berdly are aware he's trucies with all the other involved parties" you can replace Noelle with Knight, then Queen and Berdly with Carol and Shit Squad.
>>4083907This is why most of the Knight theories are retarded, it can't just be a Lightner in a helmet, Knight is specifically portrayed as all sorts of fucked up.
>>4083908Why wouldn't the woman who's obsessed with preserving things and having absolute control over her life and those around her want to bring back the missing daughter who likely created that spiral into obsessive preservation and control in the first place?
>>4083913and just like triple trucies, kris' triple truce is with noelle (knight)
Triple trucies is a retarded way to not give Carol any relevance at all.
>>4083915Reminder that the knight has a girly scream if you deal 100+ damage to it (edited from Noelle's scream)Do that information as you will.
>>4083916"Why not" isn't a proper answer when we're talking about proving or disproving something.
>>4083908She has a corkboard in her bedroom, she's funding Asgore's research, and we're told she's investigating south of town in ch5. All presumably related to the dessappearance.
>>4083919toby already did that by not having her appear at all in ch5
>>4083919With the fact she was totally absent for all of Chapter 5, having absolutely zero follow-up or consequence for Susie's bold bitch move by conveniently writing Carol out as "busy investigating the shelter", her destiny is to be a part of Noelle's rehashed character arc and dynamic with Queen from Chapter 2 with the added bonus of "ok Susie you can date my daughter" before she gets unceremoniously kidnapped.
>>4083922So she's "maybe" looking for Dess. Not good enough.
>>4083923She appeared at the end though, when she kidnapped ASGORE.
>>4083920it's hardly even an edit, it's just noelle's scream pitched down and slowed somewhat
>>4083926she was too busy tending to rudy's broken assher youngest daughter is the one who abducted uncle asgore
>>4083920>Do that information as you will.I will fap to it then.
>>4083407>That's closer to one of the moral positions Undertale contains than most of your type gets, though.schrodinger's message, the message of Undertale that "most of your type never gets" is in constant change depending on if it conveniently defends toby and makes the person criticizing toby seem dumb or not, then it will remain static until the conversation has been forgotten
>>4083904mmmm.. noelleknight has some compelling bits but i dunno about this. it makes more sense to me if it was someone who actually interacted with him frequently and had clear memories of him. rudy and carol prolly had him as a teacher when they were young.
>>4083925Well, what else do you think it could be anon?
>>4083927More irrefutable proof of NOELLE knight!!!Seriously though I worry people are gonna crash out when their respective knight theory is proven wrongWe've had too much time to sit on it and go crazy over them
No new thread?
>>4083395He already did this when he programmed the Genocide Route into the game, only to then turn around and admonish the player for following that route.Literally no fucking different from Spec Ops: The Line where the only winning move is to not buy the game and play it, that way you'll never be responsible for starting the campaign and sending Walker down the path of reprehensible actions, but obviously greedy jew devs can't get your money if you don't buy their game, so they hide that fact from you while pretending they're morally superior.
>>4083931it's an unfortunate problem with a lot of things in deltarune atmas stated earlier in the thread, the only two characters that textually knew gerson are alvin and asrielthere are a few others who were heavily implied to have also known him, but never outright stated this means we have no relationship to go on, it's pure speculation start to finish
>>4083935>Making a new thread at only 3127 posts
>>4083933Research on determination, how to bring Dess back, figuring out how this world is a simulation, how to get Kris' real soul back, anything can be related to THE INCIDENT really.
Move when you feel like it>>4083939
>>4083920Is it possible to do that much damage without hacked stats, I dont remember
>>4083934it's slowly boiling down to just dessknight, kriselle knight, and noelle knight rudy knighters have been very subdued after ch5 than before it, rudy breaking his ass was too much for themand no other candidate is taken seriously, not even carol knight who is still technically possible i guess there's still asriel knight but that causes a whole whack of issues and doesn't really make any sense outside of it being an undertale reference the game doesn't need
>>4083943Rude Buster, I think Kris can reach that damage too if he's the last one standing and enough turns have passed that the party's damage scaling is tilted in the player's favor.
>>4083943yes, rude buster should do somewhere around 130 - 170 if you have susie geared up and do the timed hit
>>4083943Yes susie's rude buster does over 100+ damage and its how you're expected to damage the knight mostly by spamming it and healing Susie with items with kris and ralsei
>>4083925She has no other motive for having corkboard unless she is planning to steal human SOULs with her heart obsession or some shit like that
>>4083945Its either gonna be Dess or KriselleNoelle knight by itself makes zero fucking sense, I don't even know how you begin to justify it. Has the same issue with Carol knight where you have to asspull teleportation for them to instant transmission into the church. And surely the knight would be different on WR save?
>>4083951Again this is just a "why not" answer. It's not evidence.
>>4083943Rude buster of course but you hear the scream better with a Kris solo attack
>>4083945>rudy breaking his ass was too much for themwell, the knight did look pretty weak in its latest appearance.. https://litter.catbox.moe/zxqostev0tl5yu82.jpeg
>>4083953You are neither providing an alternative answer as to why she has it, of course people will come up with shit to fill the gap
The Knight lost to a WALLxhe's no longer my hero
>>4083961Its actually toby being based by reminding the viewer that WOMEN cannot BEAT the wallStupid old HAGS!
>>4083962I kneel if so
>>4083957The claim that the Knight can't be Dess or related to Dess because Carol is looking for Dess is stated as a fact and so it needs direct proof. If you can't provide it then it's just you saying "nuh-uh".>alternative answer>>4083940
Ultimately, it's just as Toby said. We objectively do not have enough knowledge to piece together jack shit because some details are still being withheld. For all we know a wormhole could rip open and then Evil Papyrus jumps out and proclaims IT WAS HIM, IT WAS ALL HIM!!!! and then the credits roll. ANYTHING is possible at this point, that much is abundantly clear simply due to how things have been framed.
>>4083966Sure, that's also a valid interpretation or theory, but my proof is that if Kris is looking for her then it's kinda silly if Kris knows it's her unless she is ''lost'' in a different sense
>>4083969sounds like cope from copey "cope" foxyou can piece together deltarunes ending from the games he's going to steal the plot from the only mystery is which ones (its gonna be mother 3 he already said its that)
>>4083464Both red flowers are in my bed.
>>4083789>ignoring established and foreshadowed plot elements in favour of a contrived scenarioIt's the only theory that actually acknowledges Mantle. I can see 7B will be as mindbreaking as Chapter 5 was.
>>4083865*sheWe like bratty Mantle and girl Chara here.
>>4083820evil ralsei theorists will be vindicated in due time
Ok, what the hell? I started the game and like the third scene already has NTR? Wasn't this deer gonna be my GF?https://i.imgur.com/GgUwljw.png
>>4083930>the message of Undertale that "most of your type never gets" is in constant changeYou don't like the logic behind them, that doesn't mean they're constantly changing.
>>4083838Looks like a wild Toberto Fox going on his forties still thinking he's the edgiest boy in the world.
>>4084131Joke aside, I wonder if it's a bad thing to recommend Deltarune with "Noelle is your girlfriend trust me bro".
>>4084202Jokes aside, I'm walking on a flashing black and red board and I've already seen a few story scenes.What's up with every character being a homo with autism? I mean, through "cultural osmosis" I kinda suspected it's gonna be like that, but it hits differently when actually playing.
I am on pure hopium that Rudy "fell down" because that would be kino
>>4084209>What's up with every character being a homo with autism?>KrisIgnores all feelings for the sake of DA PLAN. Only gay if you believe in FemKris.>RalseiMight be hardcoded to love Kris. Better chemistry with Susie anyway. IDK about this love-hate thing with Flowery though.>SusieEmotional vampire. I like her, even after Chapter 5, but it's been increasingly obvious that she loves in a reactionnary way and gets greedy fast. Boy or girl doesn't register for the affection starved dino.>NoelleThe most mentally unsound individual of Hometown is also the most obviously gay. What did Toby mean by this?>Yellow & BlueTo show how justice without integrity is blind, and integrity without justice is self-serving? I don't know nor care, Darkners lives don't matter.>Asgore & RudyLong-standing friendship where the best friend actually stayed when the life of the other went down the drain. It's a parallel to Noelle and Kris, I think.>Mew & MaddieIt's not exactly romantic, and it's representing us and Kris anyway.>Spamton & TennaIgnore the fandom - Spamton is just spiteful, and Tenna is nostalgic of the good ol' time AND associate Spamton with a failed opportunity to stay relevant.
>>4084202Isn't that just CoLrune?
>>4083837Same way Spamton gave Noelle a functioning string of code for Cat Petterz to spawn a Pipis as a pet
>>4084248Unless you meant "Cole" as in "Clover from the Deltarune Yellow fangame" I don't know what you mean.
>>4083820Ralsei BULLIED innocent OrangeHe should be rape corrected by Flowery for this
>>4084423Fuck that stupid mouseHumans don't have tailsThe character looks like shit. Make it a human
toby fox gave me a rape fetish
>>4084423i don't actually care about ralsei bullying orange, i just wish he would ask us "hey want me to bully you often?" and then proceed to bully me at every turn throughout the game with the option to turn it off at any time
>>4084224>>Ralsei>Might be hardcoded to love Kris.Is it weird that I find Ramb as someone who cares more about Kris' well being than Ralsei does?Ralsei is written like a faggot and Kris' boyfriend. Ramb is written like an old friend of Kris. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if Ramb is aware of the whole soul thing. He seems to be at least aware that Kris is the one who made the TV World's fountain. That's more awareness than Susie's
Why is susie genuinely retarded?
>>4085209Ramb is written like who he is, somebody that got a big head about being treated like a toy and incorporated in the games of make-believe when he's a stolen power-strip, he's on the level of everybody else in TV World as an entertainment device regardless of not fitting in, literally or metaphorically as a darkner turning to stone because he doesn't belong to the worldRalsei I don't think is actually hard-coded to love Kris so much as he's just an echo of Asriel at a younger age turning him into a doofy softboy; Ralsei himself is very aware of the player/Kris separation but also tries to cover his ass on it
