Discuss the Knight Candidate chart here.
>>4094758Holy shit I finally arrive to these threads early for once
new schizo theory droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySoErAxX4Q8
>>4094758Ignore this. it's made by a delusional DessKnight fag.
make a finished game before promoting it, fucking hack fraud dog
>>4094758can we get a template of it so we can make a knight chart of our own?
>>4094770To be honest, i couldn't even be assed to boot up excel or draw it in mspaint or whatever. So i just used a browser flowchart maker.
>>4094762>while spending a literal decade to figure out his gameYou always say the same thing, yet Toby has had a clear vision of this game for years. This is a pic from 2019 for example.
>>4094781soo... that means you cant make a template? I understand if not
>>4094765>30 minutes longYou better post a summary.
>>4094782he didnt say that toby took a decade to figure deltarune out, he said that the FANS are taking a decade to figure deltarune out
>>4094782Yeah, of course Toby has a clear vision, because he made it. But he gets to laugh and watch as everyone else has no idea about things he's had concretely conceptualized since 2011 at the absolute earliest.
>>4094758the church and library points are disingenuous the passage of time is non diagetic in deltarune, (you) moving from point a to point b takes as long as the story demands, not for how fast the player got thereand nobody actually got a good look at the knight in ch2, there's a scuffed recording of the knight making the fountain and then immediately leaving the dark world, it's outright stated that it's impossible to tell who it wasand it's also shown in the same chapter that one can make a fountain and then immediately 'leave' it, as seen with kris opening the fountain and then moving back to the couch if the recording is from the laptop camera, all the knight would have to do is walk out of range to 'leave' the scene
>>4094790I need to go to sleep...
>>4094765>new theoryI posted about this a while ago. Every house depicted in jackenstein's maps are a dark world, and there are just 3 that aren't houses: the chapter select, the underground/sewers/under the lake with the fish, and the snake ourobouros map that looks like Bratty's house roof.
>>4094794>>4094786the video is talking about how the sewer maps fit with hometown's layout if you rotate it by 45 degreesbut then it goes on a tangent about radiation and other shit
>>4094797Lmao its a good idea but its completely wrong and doesn't fit the map at all (this is the image he used)
>DessKnightReminder that the 'strongest' piece of evidence these sorry ass niggas have since 2025 is "Well the KNIFE looked like a bat for a couple of seconds. Background? Motivations? Explanation for why she's the Knight AND ALSO the voice in the code??? Uhhh....."
>>4094804>Explanation for why she's the Knight AND ALSO the voice in the code???people still using that when we now have TWO (2) split mind/bodies example in the game?
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>>4094804You forgot about the helmet having antlers, dumbass.
>>4094809hope that there will be one in the anniversary else we're doomed
>>4094804Knight existed either before or during THAT DAY, which is possibly not even related to the Dessappearance. Which means every single Hometown resident has no reason to become Knight if THAT DAY was simply a traumatic Dark World event, and the Dessappearance only occurred after the fact, and finding Dess is the only genuine motivation anyone would have to become Knight unless they secretly harbored "I want to see the world burn and I fucking HATE EVERYONE!!!1" desires for all their life.And if becoming Knight rapidly corrupts them, then that's not really that character anymore, and there's no point in tying someone to the character of Knight, because it doesn't service their character or Knight's character since they're wholly separate individuals in demeanor and actions.At least Asriel had an unknowable amount of time desperately trying anything and everything to feel like his old self to justify his descent into evil, Knight has no such luxury because of the fact it was created and instantly started causing problems to the point that Asgore wants someone's corpse strung so he can parade it around town.
>>4094802Underground pathways.
I really hope nobody thinks the Knight unironically has a helmet that can be removed and there’s totally a normal person inside the magical hell armor that maintains the same form in both worlds
Post only the most canon theories.
Seth says:Go on a diet fattie!
>>4094818So why would Kris think about Knight taking off its helmet?>that maintains the same form in both worldsYou don't know that. You're being presumptuous, which is priming you to look like an ass, just like when Toby primed you to assume Asgore is the Flower Man by directly having Ice Wolf call him that, just in case you were thinking the Flower Man might actually be the flower in the panel instead of Asgore.
>>4094817A straight line will always connect two places you retard. The rest of the map doesn't connect at all to the town and he just connected the shelter to the lake with a straight line.So there isn't any plumbing in noelle's house or kris house, nor in the school?
>>4094823kris thinks about loads of wacky shit that has no bearing in reality
>>4094818>and there’s totally a normal person inside the magical hell armor because a lot of people really want the knight to be a lightner for some reason
>what if the game sucked?
>>4094738>Every time I hear anything related to a potential New Game+ I facepalmExplain the achievements distinguishing between A and B then
>>4094825Yet it scares him enough to realize "oh fuck, I'm thinking about Knight taking off its helmet, oh shit, oh fuck, oh damn, uhhhhhh TEMMIE NEST, JOCKINGTON IS THERE, EGGS" instead of simply letting that thought about Knight continue to play out, so there's at least SOME basis in reality that matters.
So are we all in agreement that Toby had ghostwriters handle this last fun chapter so he could focus on what really matters?
>>4094820Timeloop theoryDevice theoryFemKris
>>4094827it's stated the knight can enter the light world and even retain its power in doing so but it needs some specific nighttime conditions, the knight sort of has to be a lightner in some manner
Toby spammed AI Temmie (real) porn on /v/ for weeks to turn me on personally.
>>4094833toby fully stepped away from the writing to do more collabs with nip artists and live it up with the greatest vidya hacks in japanthe team did ch5 normal, temmie wrote the kriselle and weird route, as per usual
>>4094824Overground pathways.>>4094833Yeah it's the same as what happened in Nadia Secret of Blue Water.
>>4094758https://poal.me/5aag2yWho is it?
>>4094758>Carol couldn't have reached the church before Kris and Susie arriveThis is all based on the assumption that Kris and Susie heading directly to the church after exiting was considered as a potentially canonical sequence of events, but there's three things that suggest otherwise.>Susie tells Asgore that they're probably gonna go back to Kris's house after they're kicked out of the Holidays' place>Kris and Susie had no reason to go to church before learning that Toriel wasn't home and the place was locked up>Kris has the option to tell Toriel that he's mad at her because she locked them out of the houseIt's very likely that the canonical sequence of events has Kris and Susie visiting Kris's house at bare minimum, and possibly also goofing around and seeing everything else there is to see in hometown, which gives Carol plenty of time to to church before them.
Make new Deltarune theories that include Earthbound and Homestuck.
>>4094848It's all contrived by default anyway, Chapter 5 seemingly implies Kris literally shouts "I'M GOING TO SEAL THE FOUNTAIN NOW" just so Knight knows to open one at the literal exact same time.
>>4094848the funniest shit out of all that is that kris apparently just barges in one way or another, to the point toriel is legitimately not concerned about kris getting locked out, he'll just find an unlocked window or something
Does anyone here actually like the idea of DessKnight who ISNT a coomer from /doe/?I don't give a flying fuck about Dess because she is quite literally a noncharacter. I'd rather see AlphysKnight. I'd rather see CattisdadKnight
>>4094815>finding Dess is the only genuine motivation anyone would have to become Knight>ralsei wants a better ending>susie wants to avoid the last prophecy>noelle wants to change her future>gaster literally sent us here to create a new future>but the knight would never EVER inject themselves into the prophecy to try to change something in it that kris agrees with enough to collaborate
>>4094857What can the literal harbinger of the apocalypse change? That you suffer beheadings instead of stabbings to the heart when the Titans arise and the world draws her final breath?
>>4094848Anon, the "canonical series of events" in the game are the series of events you pick.
How come you guys never suspect Susie of anything?
>>4094862Not really, the canonical events are whatever default data you get when you start on Chapter 2-7 without prior completion data to load from.
>>4094863It would be pretty obvious if she was hiding anything, given that she's retarded.
>>4094863It'd just be icing on the shit cake when she's already openly showing herself to be the absolute worst kind of "friend", and acting like a delusional retard who wants the prophecy to last forever so there can be Dark World adventures forever.
>>4094863susie's utterly clueless and learning everything for the first time
TOBY HAS A VENDETTA AGAISNT ME AND MY THEORIES
>>4094863Give us your greatest Susie theories
>>4094862Not always.When you're replaying chapter 1, and I think other chapters too but I forget which ones because 1 is the chapter I've replayed the most, you can choose to go to sleep at the start, which skips all of the light world stuff and puts you at the start of the dark world, but the game still behaves as if all of the preceding light world stuff did happen.
>catastrophic screaming mental collapse over Dess Knight of all thingsyou could pry more worthwhile discussion out of redditors at this point, jesus christ
>>4094853I really just don't care about the Knight. It shows up at the end of a chapter, does something, then the next chapter continues almost like nothing happened. People say that nothing you do matters but it's the opposite for me, I like the stuff you do in the main gameplay parts but don't really care about the overarching story because it doesn't have much bearing on the moment to moment events. Everything about the worldbuilding is completely arbitrary so far so thinking about it is kind of just a waste of time until we have key information that might make sense of it.
>>4094860do you understand how easy it would be to make things like the prophecy flow smoothly in a guided direction if you had the hero and the main villain working together. The knight loses, the heroes win, the roaring is stopped. The journey is what matters
>>4094863>*And... if there's leftovers. Of, are what we eated.
>>4094766>DessKnight fag
>>4094823>mikefag is still throwing a fitthe black shard remains the same in both worlds
>>4094871The problem is we have all the theories so discussing them is just a spiral of the exact same arguments over and over, no one wants to budge from their headcanons so no one is being convinced by anyone else of anything. All that's left is to sling insults at people you disagree with.
>>4094864...No???>>4094870This specifically exists for speedrunning/skipping cutscenes, so i wouldn't say that counts.
>>4094853I think it's dess but it's kind of contingent on other things also being true. If you were to ask me to point to direct evidence it'd be the same shrugs as it would be with any other candidate as of right now. None of them are super solid
>>4094874Merely pretending.
>>4094849does the halloween hack count?
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>>4094877The problem is there are infact more theories to discuss but people are so deeply embedded in their preconceived notions of the game that they refuse to speculate any further..
Enough about the Knight for a moment, give me your genuine theories about Papyrus. What's going on with him?
>>4094892what's your theory anon
Aside from the gameplay DR can't really stand on its own without UT.
>>4094894he's asriel's college roomate, along with chara and frisk
>>4094894Find out in 2 more years from now :^)
>>4094894I actually have no fucking idea dude. At this point i'm starting to believe he is never showing up
>>4094894He's a high ranking accomplice of Gaster, like sans.Currently busy in 7B serving as middleman for Gaster since the big G can't do anything physically in his DELTARUNE.
>>4094894Paps is dumb but he is also an incredibly optimistic, trusting, and cheerful adult. He would cheer up our mcs too much and get invited to castletown, or he would stick his nose where it didn't belong due to caring about the state of things and get murked by normalnpc.toby, not wanting to write either of these scenarios, simply didn't write him in
>>4094897doesn't Toby say to play Undertale first
>>4094863Susie is too retarded to be in any kind of conspiracy
>>4094895Errr... Well have you noticed that ROOTS (the foreshadowed track) is probably going to play in Carol's basement? You can gleam quite alot from that, since ROOTS has connections to MANTLE, the Tail of Hell, Queen's basement, FRIEND and a bunch of other shit.
>>4094908Yes please buy my other game if you haven't already, it's very important.
>>4094913This was talked about earlier already. I guess if Carol's house is the only house in town with a basement then that would make sense.
>>4094910Everyone's in a conspiracy now. Death Note shite in my fantasy rpg.
>>4094904I mean this seriously by the way. With how fucking suspicious the skelebros are in Deltarune, them canonically having travelled to Undertale, them having explicit connections to Gaster, and how mysterious Papyrus is EVEN IN UNDERTALE you'd think people wouldn't just dismiss it as "permanently offscreen For The Lulz".
What if it's aliens and the angel is an alien and the knight needs to awaken the titans to guard the world and defeat the angel who made a false religion that said "titans BAD roaring BAD knight BAD" to throw the heroes off
>>4094921You wanna give CoL a heart attack?
>>4094894Sans is to Gaster as Papyrus is to the Forgotten Man. Neither of them is aware this is a conflict of interest.
>>4094874>WELL, Susie, how'd you like...>... to go to the Diner with ME, sometime?fuck off broooo
>>4094922Like maybe angel came from wherever sans and gaster and papyrus are from
So what implications to the story does ERAM's connection to ICE-E have?
How come you guys don't waifu Susie anymore?
>>4094928That theory that ERAM is the previous prophecy's Prince Alone in Deepest Dark suggests a possible connection between Ralsei and ICE-E as well.
>>4094934>Previous prophecyWhat evidence is there of this even? This is a theory that solves absolutely nothing and creates a hundred new questions.
>>4094874>'Genius' writing of the rpg designed to replace all others that will have the cult try and kill you if you criticize I hope Ocarina of Time outsells this subversive shite. At least that's a game I can trust.>>4094933I always hated her.
>>4094933Literally no one in this game is worth it
>>4094879>doesn't count because I said soRiveting argument.Does Ralsei mentioning Jevil even if you didn't meet him also not count?Or how about the fact that examining Alphys's computer wallpaper in chapter 5 references the changes to the wallpaper made in previous chapters and, if the script page on github is to be trusted, the game has no alternative text for if you never examined it previously and thus don't know anything about those changes?There's a bunch of inconsequential little interactions like that which only make sense if you interacted with a certain someone or something in the previous chapters, and which have no alternative text if you didn't interact with them, thus the interaction is canonical.
>>4094935Dark Worlds predating that of Castle Town, and a Knight existing before the Heroes showed up, both fall outside the bounds of what Ralsei knows about the prophecy. Maybe he doesn't have exhaustive knowledge, but supposedly the Knight was only supposed to show itself when the heroes were gathered. Unless you're theorizing the prophecy has directly lied to Ralsei, or is flat out wrong, that implies there were Heroes and a Knight before our Heroes and our Knight. Hence, cyclical prophecy.
>>4094933Toby Fox and the new hires changed her character into a colossal retard.
>>4094928Consider ERAM is the tail of hell from them being considered serpentine and their connection to the bunker. This gives them a connection to ROOTS per the prophecy room containing that image, that also brings up the tail of hell.We established like two threads ago that ROOTS represents the underground, specifically Carol's basement.So consider that ICE-E has a connection to the ROOTS from the ICE-E Tube Guy in Carol's basement, and also from this line>They're crawling the pipesHm.......................
>Jevil is given enough backstory to justify his existence as a crazy guy who knows too much>you actually meet Spamton and get to see how messed up he is before fighting him for real>the Knight is the Knight>Gerson is basically reborn as a hero just like the Fuck Squad>Pink...is a character who is never seen directly, gets a brief blurb for the anime and later for the figurine and is suddenly a powerful secret boss because she just isWhere is the HYPE? Where is the AURA?
>>4094947So remember a while back when i also speculated about the basement being the endgame location of chapter 6?Here's your final boss of chapter 6 anon.
>>4094928if Eram is ICE-E then the next question is if they're also from Undertale. The only snowman in the game asks you to take a piece of them to the ends of the earth, after all.It'd also explain their fascination with the gamedev side of things if they were literally trying to copy Gaster
>>4094923>Sans is to Gaster as Papyrus is to the Forgotten Man.I think this is an interesting idea and has potential to be really good, but it's tricky to think about how exactly it would work, especially because with Papyrus at this point it would need to be pretty subtle and not some big in your face cut scene out of nowhere, it'd have to be a light world version of subtle on par with the egg rooms. Sans is set up where he absolutely could be revealed to be an important piece of the puzzle without it seeming coming out of left field.The characters that appeared in Undertale before are pretty much the exact same people they were in that universe, just in different circumstances. Asgore is destined to be divorced in any universe. Catty and Bratty are destined to clown on Burgerpants in any universe, etc etc.Sans and Papyrus have a bit of a wildcard status because they very well might be the same actual people in both universes, not copies like all the other characters. Sans is still a lazy joker with maybe some magic, which makes sense he'd be out and about just bein' Sans. You have to ask with Papyrus though why he is absent? In Undertale he's basically a little kid stuck in a full grown adult, but he's driven by duty of the royal guard. You'd think he would in the deltarune universe be in the role they put Napstablook in or something, but nope. Maybe in Deltarune he is how Napsta was in Undertale and is just laying on his floor feeling like garbage?
>>4094949to be fair she's like a valued object between like 3 niggas
Ramb is a real bro but I never want him in my house or near my kids or in the same county as me.
>>4094863She's the type of character that even if they have any mysteries, they are completely clueless, like being the second hero, she for sure had no fucking idea, so nothing to hide, unlike Kris that actually hides stuff from everyoneAt this point if Susie was hiding something big that isn't ''i was so lonely before'' i would be kinda disappointed
>>4094961She's hiding a secret third reason she was jealous of Kris to retcon the previous reason
>>4094953he would probably scare the absolute shit out of noelle if she's there
>>4094963she wanted kris' they/themussy and bullied her because she wanted attention
>>4094953Remember how the swamp area for chapter 5 suggested the same and did basically nothing?
>>4094956Notice how Nightmare has two pointed fangs, like ERAM?Notice how a snowman is comprised of a chain of spheres, like the tail of hell? Like how old video games would render snakes as a chain of balls?Notice how the words "Monster Search" are in pink and yellow?Notice how "snowmen" and "ICE" can connect to the weird route, the Holidays and "Coldwater falling from the sky"????HMMMMMMMMMMMM.But referring to your question, the word search sans has could easily originate from Deltarune. The snowman that wants you to carry a piece of it to WORLD'S EDGE could imply something about ERAM's nature, though im not sure what exactly?
What does good writing look like and why should that be important in a video game.
>>4094928None, ERAM is Kris' PSI powers which is why it becomes PK Starstorm near the end of its fight. In the finale it will recombine with Kris so they can fight Alpha Toriel and save the world.
>>4094966the glade?probably the best area in ch5 based on vibes alone, the rest of the dark world is too loud
>>4094966The swamp area didn't imply anything besides that the true nature of dark world's aren't safe to stay in, something we've known since 3+4.
DR threads are like gacha threads because you only care about who you want to have sex with and you never talk about the gameplay.
>>4094972But it ended up being perfectly safeSo much potential to have monstrous weeds with hands trying to drag the heroes down to eat them or something real
>>4094968I dunno, but I think it's interesting and lends a lot more credence to weird route if it's also been rolling around in Toby's noggin since he came up with Gaster. My mind personally immediately goes to Chara's chuuni dialogue>The demon that comes when people call its nameMakes me wonder if there's not more than one of those. "Nightmare" could be one of these demons. It'd fit with the tail of hell stuff. And ICE-E is described as something creepy, essentially the stuff of nightmares by everyone
>>4094969You get told to get something to progress the story, go to where it is, and get this, you actually get it when you find it.Instead of being punished by being forced to turn around in a completely irrelevant direction.Deltarune chose the latter, to its detriment.
Is ERAM connected to ICE-E because they're the representation of a metaphysical concept, like how titans are the concept of the fear of the dark?ICE-E is something Kris and Noelle were scared by as kids and considered them a monster that eats people, and judging by there being a cryptids website for them in the Spamton sweepstakes ARG being afraid of ICE-E probably isn't uncommon either. Perhaps ERAM is some demonic entity that naturally manifests around things people are afraid of?
>>4094969Good writing is so incredibly subjective that you could debate it for years and not have an answer.In general people think they know what bad writing is, but many mistake it for "writing I don't like".
>>4094963Not a big surprise for me really, she looked like a jealous bitch and the Noelle reason just added more fuel if she also wanted Toriel as her mom too, she's just clueless to the point of retardation because she didn't realize that Kris life with Toriel is not perfect and didn't even notice that Kris wasn't as close with Noelle before so automatically assumed they were fucking, fuck she didn't even knew that Asgore was crazy lmao
>>4094984Eram is just some random character in a video game Kris played in chapter 3.
>>4094988I don't want writing I don't like, and I don't want to be told that writing I don't like is what I should enjoy
>>4094975Then Toby should add sex minigame in gameplay
Is it just me or does each chapter correspond to a general color of each soul
>>4094991>he hasn't been redpilled on ERAM
>>4094975there isn't much to talk about the gameplay since toby keeps dumbing it down every chapter
>>4095001How so?
>>4094993Finish your mod CoL
3 is most people's favorite chapter.
>>4095006I don't want to
>>40950123 has some of the most kino moments in the game but the rest of the chapter is mid at best
>>4095013Based as fuck. Please stay here and tell us about your opinions on everything instead.
>>4094949She's powerful enough to manipulate people with kisses, Kris was just resistant maybeAlso if i remember, just possessing a crystal increases you power
>>4095012I'd rather play 3 than either of the two chapters after
>>4095027ch3 if fun to blitz through but having to slog through the doom board every time sucks
>>4095018Maddie genuinely could have won if she chose love first. But either way>kiss to shove the ghost into the target>can't work on Kris because Soul is taking up that spaceA mechanic where Susie and Ralsei could get stolen and switch sides would be neat though>you need to ACT to kiss them and bring them back from her side
>>4094894Whatever he was before Deltarune, Papyrus regressed to a child-like state (like Agent Cooper in Twin Peaks season 3). Undertale Papyrus is merely Papyrus slowly growing up to become the character he once was. He probably has something to do with the Forgotten Man and the potentially concealed game that served as a base for Deltarune.
>>4095032>A mechanic where Susie and Ralsei could get stolen and switch sides would be neat thoughFlowery actually kinda did it, he used ACT that filled Susie and Ralsei mercy bar, but didn't work of Kris, which is curious, almost like Kris is inmune to Mercybut of course this mechanic is just smokes and mirrors in the fight lmao
>>4095038kris is fully capable of understanding mercy, she can even immediately max out the mercy meter if she uses her puppydog eyesshe just doesn't give a fuck about what flowery is saying/ doing
>>4095038It would have been sick if he could actually spare Susie and Ralsei as a lose condition
>>40950123 has the highest highs (Sword Route and Roaring Knight) but also the lowest lows (too many gimmicks)
>>40950124 has the best soundtrack so far but it sucks ass to replay
>>40950494 has great music but they're all the exact same song even moreso than the other chapters
>>4095050It helps that it's a really good song
>>4095012I remember when everyone screeched about how bad it was and how 4 was kino of the highest order, glad to see people are coming around on itHonestly I don't really see what people liked about 4. It's good, but kinda unmemorable. The worst final boss, the gameplay gets repetitive, and the light world is a damn slog. Gerson's good, but not good enough to make up for the rest
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4094908At this point I can confidently tell you that Undertale and Deltarune are completely unrelated and the only reason why he would say this is because of funny references and the fact that Undertale obviously has various proto-elements that are actually important to Deltarune just placed randomly around the game as minor jokes or details.
>>4095060Pretty much. The only objective connective tissue is Sans, but even that's riddled in vaguepost and he's near-completely irrelevant, spending more time trolling you with years and years of "see my brother" cockteasing before he invariably fucks off to Undertale.Can't even say Gaster's calling us over because of our feats in Undertale because he's a metafucker, he knows everything is only "possible" because Toby allowed it to be so, he just wants us because Toby wants our money, hence the fact this nigga was selling merch for a demo.
>>4095051Yeah
>>40950565 made people notice 4's flaws because 4 gave the idea that things were going to happen then 5 slammed on the brakes and turned the car around and slashed its tires
>>4095056I had fun with the titan fight despite how scripted it is. The light world segment is one of my favorite sequences in the game. Church, diner, piano, holiday mansion, all of it was amazing character stuff that builds into 5 perfectly. Amazing WR scenes too.Chapter 4 suffers on replays but honestly the whole game is like that
I notice nobody seems to be able to explain my feelings or debunk my headcanons.
>>4095073
I think wanting to know more about major plot points in a story by the 70% mark is reasonable, actually.
>>4095084that's not how toby tells his stories, just [wait] a little longer
Chances we get a geno stream for the 11th anniversary?
>>4095084Undertale Yellow didn't and y'all glaze tf outta that
>>40950870%.
>>4095087Like the character from Smash?
>>4095087>6-minute intervals of toby and the guys dead silent as he spazzes frisk against a wall
>>4094863I think if it was revealed that Susie was playing the "merely pretending to be retarded" card she would be the most hated character in the game.
>>4095093Sure is vague in here
Why do you all treat this like a general?Up to linking continuation threads three times like they do in /utg/Disgraceful really
>>4095094She's already most hated for being a Mary Sue protagonist.
>>4095096Who cares
>>4095096Because we were forced here by the cucks in charge and have to adapt. Give us a few years after Deltarune is a finished game and maybe we'll turn into /utg2/, obsessing over trans headcanons, mindless image dumps and ERPing.
>>4095088I glaze UTY for the presentation, Flowey, and having a sick genocide route. But the story? Absolutely not.
>>4095093https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/?lang=both#ja:3:obj_npc_ramb_slash_Step_0_gml_24_0
>>4094894No idea and I genuinely don't care. At this point it's too late to give him any sort of importance other than something that wouldn't change anything like "wow he was the forgotten man all along!"
>>4094894Toby doesn't know how to involve him in the story so he just doesn't do anything and will leave him as an 11th hour character doing some bunker or gag shit
>>4094894I can only imagine him being the Ch6 boss if the darkner to lightner secret boss order doesn't failIf he really doesn't appear next chapter then >>4095104 is right and Toby just thought he wouldn't fit into his idiot plot
>>4095106He'd make literally no sense as the Chapter 6 boss, who's more than likely to be Carol for the obligatory "help Noelle confront her mother so she can finally stand up to her, completing her character arc and likely the remainder of her relevance in the normal route beyond the obligatory 'everyone supports the heroes' scene ripped straight from EarthBound and TTYD' moment."
>>4095104>>4095106>>4095108He'll just appear during the credits
>>4094862okay, i guess that was wr- oops i dropped some facts>ch5 ralsei mentions jevil>ch5 ralsei still brings up the ribbon from ch1 even if you get the ch5 red ribbon but not the ch1 ribbon>ch5 ralsei still grows a backbone and becomes assertive even if you've been mean to him this entire game including avoiding character development moments like going into his room or the tea party and even telling ralsei to keep smiling>you get the prompt to ask about jevil to chaos king even if you've never met jevil before
>>4095113Not even. You'll be left with the vaguepost mystery of>"huh? brother? now who went and told you i had a brother...?">"oh, right, i did. well, uh, i didn't think you'd care this much after all this time. so i'll be honest. i might've been pulling your leg."That implies Papyrus doesn't even exist, and that he was somehow born in the gap between Sans leaving Deltarune, but before entering Undertale.
>>4095117Undertale was THE 'choices actually matter and change things' game, even UTY does better at that than DR. Fucking grim.
>>4094949also pink gets no conversations aside from Pink & Orange and Pink & Kris, the former being everyone telling Pink that she's welcome and the latter being a date destroyed by susie, literally, all she gets, is "hey welcome to the team senpai" then no one talks to Pink, you dont get to see conversations of Pink with other flowers, but you get a whooping three conversations between Blue and Orange for some fuckin' reason
>>4095044imagine if him sparing susie and ralsei made them fuck off and allowed me to have a proper 1v1 against flowery with no healing the eenemy bullshit
>>4095117Ralsei really isn't shy about being a looper anymore.
>>4095117>you get the prompt to ask about jevil to chaos king even if you've never met jevil beforewut
>>4095128He's making shit up, you can't ask King about Jevil in Chapter 4 unless you beat Jevil.
>>4095120Blue is an integral character to the plot
>>4095119To be fair can you really blame the game when it told you outright that your choices don't matter? I don't really think you can use the "well Flowey said it was kill or be killed in Undertale and that turned out to not be true" argument because that was Undertale, this is Deltarune, there is no reason for the same exact rules to apply here.
>>4095135And yet there's still "something more important than reaching the end" even though the end is literally all that matters because this whole fucking game is vaguepost central.
>>4095129yeah i was lost for a second cause idk why you would you boast about facts then suddenly pivot to playing two truths and a lie with something you could easily fact check
>>4095135Putting aside that it's disappointing going from UT to DR in terms of player choice, I meant more the laziness in which the few choices you actually can make are now getting forgotten.
>>4095093>>4095102Had to check with deepl and it also says kidWhat the hell, he has uncle vibes lmao, i guess should be obvious that a kid would create their imaginary friend as another kidtheorizing in a nutshell, vibes
>>4094841Temmie so fucking zased if real.
Deltarune will be the ultimate video game game by the end, it will include every genre and I'll never have to buy another game again.
>>4094989Asgore isn't crazy, he was vindicated. Anyone in his position would have acted the same, imagine you found a dangerous magical world where anything can happen.
>>4095094Kris is still hated, in fact Kris is one of the few characters in gaming who it might be moral and ethical to rape.
If Dess comes back and Alphys doesn't call her Desu because it sounds the same if you say it like they do in anime I'll be a little disappointed
>>4095153When is the FPS section being made
>>4095159Chapter 7 is never coming out.
>>4095155Hol on, Dess.. you tripping
>>4095159>>4095160Half-Life 3 will actually be embedded inside 7B.
>>4094765>claims it lines up with hometown's map perfectly>it doesn't
>>4095169It basically does.
>>4094921Half the retards here might as well believe it>>4094922Yes
>>4095013Then kill yourself
I wonder if Asriel was supposed to appear this chapter for the festival but Toby didn't want his debut to be in the ghostwritten chapter
So is there any reason to call King the name Chaos King aside from the name of his soundtrack?>ERAMERAM hasn't been canonically referred to as just, like, "AM" or something, dozens of times, by many other characters. King has been called "King", no "Chaos", throughout the game. We're falling back on ERAM because we have no other good options for what the fuck that thing is called and I'm not calling it "mantle holder", fuck off.
>>4095038>>4095044Toby could've made it a little less obvious that the Mercy bar thing is fake.
>>4095198I've seen him be called Spade King more often than Chaos King, and the diamonds king almost made that cannon in 5
post your 11th anniversary predictions>he is gonna stay completely silent about it
>>4095198I legitimately forget and get his name and song mixed up
>>4095201Minor development update with perhaps one whole sprite of a character from an earlier chapter, Queen for example, or straight up nothing. It might be such a minor update that it will actually be posted on bluesky rather than an actual newsletter.
>>4094758Dess? Won.
>>4094820Doelesting
Did you notice that we have been restoring "lost" dreams of Lightner Shadow Crystal originators?- ch5 - Most apparent with Pink- ch4 - Alvin's dream- ch3 - ???- ch2 - Mettaton's dream (if you gave him Tenna)- ch1 - ???
>>4094833When will you admit that Toby is capable of writing things you don't like?
>>4095210Which doe? Dess, Noelle or Carol?
>>4095212When he admits that Undertale wasn't written specifically to make him feel good.
>>4094894He's an extremely important lore character whose appearance would reveal too much of the plot, also definitely has a connection to the Forgotten Man. The place with green grass he mentioned in the Q&A is Mancountry.
>>4094975That's just the HMOFAtards.
>>4095088Most people don't like that game here, it's a vocal minority that doesn't even like Deltarune either.
>>4094975Can you name one single player game where the gameplay gets "real discussion" for more than a month after it's new?
>>4095100Imagedumps are impossible here due to how slow the board is.
>>4095073>festival has dialogue both establishing how asgore likes the mew mew figurine and recalling the mad ghost is into him>they never interact in the chapter>she shrugs it with "oh no I'm gonna give him a heart attack if he sees me">she kisses his son insteaddid you ever feel second hand cuckoldry?
>>4095195Asriel was never showing up, that was a fandom delusion based on misinterpretation. He always was supposed to show up in the end.
>>4095213Yes.
>>4095213Rudy.
>we went from thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGf7Nr55yg>to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrkQdid5VxMwhy the fuck couldn't toby be assed to make unique credits music? it was bad enough that ch3 re used ch2's but now ch1 is using just a song from ch1 ('s piano collection but still) it genuinely feels like toby didn't give a shit, which is absurd considering the production value is at it's most evident in ch5 but the feeling is present in the entire chapter
>>4095231>it genuinely feels like toby didn't give a shitBut enough about the game as a whole after ch2
>>4095231reminder that all major area songs after ch2 just use the leitmotifs for bosses instead of having their own overworld motifs, except for the garden which is just a ch1 cover
>>4095233>>4095234didn't toby make a weird comment a while ago when he was showing off ch2 concept stuff that it was from 'when he was still working on the game'?did he just word him working on ch2 poorly or was he trying to say that he had already relegated pretty much everything to the team after that point
>>4095236It's just a reference to his wrists
>>4095231Because chapter 5 is made to be dissonant. It parallels chapter 1 more than it is a follow-up to chapter 4. It's like when Gaster talks to you about the halfway point to his Deltarune, he took over again and sent you to his interpretation of the festival, where his goons (including Susie) are slowly but surely taking over. Also, Gaster cannot make anything original: the production value increases, but he's re-hashing the same thing since Undertale: Hopes and Dreams --> Field of Hopes and Dreams --> Garden of Hopes and Dreams.In a sense, there's a continuity with the theme of the creating process, with Gerson in chapter 4 talking about how stories borrow from other stories and keep getting rewritten again and again around myths which origins are lost in time. The dissonance between chapters 4 and 5 might belong to a metanarrative that chapter 6 could build upon.
>>4095244why would gaster directly intervene in ch5 when he's been strictly hands off outside of bringing (you) in and offering to skip straight back into the knight rematch
>>4095244>the writing being weird and nonsensical is totally justified by the themes and such!from the same guy who acts like adding save points in the light world is this huge sacrifice
>>4094894He's the forgotten manReminder that Sans fills in for the roles of 3 people in festival, kinda implying SOMETHING has happened to big P that's similar to gaster.Its the only way you could tie Sans into the main plot without it being jarring as fuck if he's working with Kris to find him or something.
>>4095247Why would he talk again at the end of chapter 4, just after the Titan was defeated and Susie smashed the part of the prophecy we were most interested in knowing the content of? It's obviously a parallel to the Goner Maker sequence before chapter 1. He doesn't have to do much more, he's a scientist after all: just change one parameter before or during the experiment and watch shit happen.>>409525>from the same guy who acts like adding save points in the light world is this huge sacrificeWell, given Toby loves to couple game mechanics with storytelling so much, I understand why being inconsistent in some game mechanics without it being justified by the story would drive him nuts.
>>4095257The party members stats are functionally as fake as Flowery stats.
>>4095258no, susie's stats are realsame is also likely true for noelleonly kris and ralsei are lying and holding back
You know, what with "a certain power" now being "the power of broken dreams", it casts Kris's save points filling him with that power in a new light. Especially the fact that they're mostly in dark worlds.
>>4094758Currently I believe in the knight being an entity of pure darkness with dess' soul that was born from her trying to seal the shelter dark fountain. Mainly due to the sea shell with glass that has "it was only repeating what it knew" line from board 2 probably being a parallel to the knight since it already has a flowery reference.
>>4095260The only "real" stats are Light World stats. All other stats are just a game of pretend where higher "will" means higher power.
>>4095266What are you smoking? Save point's "power" is hope. What was obvious since ch4, and ch5 never changed that.
The Eggs are evidence. Of what? Of the original game, which is the original world. Deltarune The Game is Gaster's romhack of the original story. The Prophecy as told in the Light World's religion is mostly lost to time because it was purposely forgotten, edited, that's what it's referring. The dark world allows to see what this new version of the prophecy entails, alas, the final outcome did not change. Gaster's experimentation was all about creating a darkness so deep it can recreate an entire reality through an illusion of its own shadow. Why can Kris see the Forgotten Man and the Eggs? Because Kris is from the original world. They don't belong here, and have tried to forget / was forced to forget the man, but cannot fully. Kris was meant to be replaced by a fully playable Vessel meant for the player to control but took over the creation to achieve their own goals. The man and the eggs are only found in locations where the light and dark distinction is blurry, basically secret rooms that are glitches in the new Deltarune allowing you to see it through. The entirety of Mancountry is the biggest piece of remaining vestiges of the original game. Through the binoculars in Mancountry you can see a grey field which is directly referencing the breadcrumbs glitch in Mother 1. The point of Side B is to force Kris and Noelle to push through the simulation and back, to play the original story as it was.The game is in fact, full of retcons. Susie was made the Girl in Gaster's game, and Noelle was retconned out of the prophecy. Side B works that way to force Noelle back as The Girl. Ralsei is a new Prince of the Dark based on Asriel's files to guide the heroes to the proper outcome, because Eram (bad violent guy) was the original one. Dess was straight up removed from Gaster's version, which is why her lines are unused and lost. Kris can access remains of her existance in the gachapon.
>sword route board 2>briefly encounter eram>kris asks ramb if someone was in the game with him>exit s rank room>discover ralsei was playing a gameBig think
>>4095281Eram somehow can work as both anti-Kris and anti-Ralsei
>>4095280Do you think original world had Kris, or it had "original human" with a native red soul instead?
>>4094765The points about sewer map, Shadow Mantle room, and other Jackenstein boards are VERY compelling.Everything else is just irrelevant fluff
>>4094794>Bratty was the friend pack Owner all along
>>4095281ERAM and Ralsei are complete opposites though.
>>4094758Abnormal Dess is completely fanon wishful thinking so it might as well be removedHow is Dess even supernatural in physiology?
>>4094758What if Normal!Dess really was just 10 feet tall before becoming an Knight?
>>4095222It's more the body waiting to fuck the son and cucking the ghost interest, very specific form of cucking
>>4095280Does this imply Last Thurdayism? Cool theory but how does this explain Kris's entire childhood
>>4095298I think a running theory is that she fell down/died in the bunker, and the Roaring Knight is the darkner form of her corpse/dust. She's also speculated to be an analog to Claus/The Masked Man from Mother 3, so both of these would go hand in hand.
>>4095303Gerson already disproves that.
>>4095280OR, or better yet, Dess was the original Girl. The tragedy happened to her: The Girl is destroyed. Not just killed, but removed completely. That's why it's so dramatic and it all points to the Girl at the center of the tragedy, Kris, Ralsei are so regretful of Susie's involvement.Noelle's entire deal is to be a helpless NPC with no agency in her life. In a previous world, she lost her sister, in this world, she's fated to lose her lover Susie. The WR feeds into her desires to break free by growing strong and becoming one of the heroes, the Girl, on her own. She does not realize yet this is a doomed path.Noelle is Used Up because she becomes the Girl, who is destroyed.Let's recall what is the ending? Banishing Angel's Heaven, where the Angel meets its desire (heaven), then, banished. It's one after the other. What does Susie want? An adventure that doesn't end. To have the same fun days over and over. And she's falling to latching onto dark worlds. Who can seal fountains? The Player (the Soul), the key to control them all.The Angel is the Girl in possession of the Soul with the intention to keep the adventure going forever. That's why she must be destroyed, and the Angel, banished. >>4095284 Maybe, maybe not, but I see this as both the Girl and Soul being destroyed.The ending of the Prophecy is literally, the end of the game. To save the worlds you must end the adventure. The Roaring is the Angel's desire to keep the adventure going until darkness consumes it, or in our vision, the files become corrupted.The Knight is Dess' corrupted files with the single lost dream, that is, which became a nightmare, to continue to make fountains.
>>4095316Diegetically this means the Player siding with Susie in our desire to keep the game going. This works directly in line with Toby's themes of player and game relationship and not letting go. Therefore, Kris' plans are to find Dess, which is, whatever remains of her through the game's files, and find a way to break the prophecy's thread. Both the Normal Route and the WR so far offer optionsAnd Ralsei? Ralsei is the recreation of the Prince, this time, as a nice guy, a good person which is why he's based on Asriel, who was the previous Girl's lover. The point was to make the new Prince a kind and peaceful guide to attempt to not let the Girl-Angel from becoming strong and doing what she desires. But Ralsei fucked up, because he appeases Susie so much she's attached to the dark worlds in the same way. Eram was the original Prince. In their world he's a jackass who insists on violence and grinding like a real RPG which is how Dess' fate turned out. Eram mocks Kris' idea because he thinks Kris will fail. >>4095302In a way, yes. That Day actually is the fabricated memories of the lightners that refer to the ending of the original game. It happened, but they remember it in a different way. It's why there is knowledge dark worlds existed before the current prophecy. Notice something funny: never once we have a description of Dess' appearance. That's because her sprite doesn't exist anymore. It's gone, deleted. Her voice is lost without a body. If Noelle tried she couldn't even remember what Dess would look like.
>>4095280What if the genocide/sword route already happened and Kris, feeling regret, choose to do right this time?
>all these walls of text for something that will get a "trans jax" tier ending
>>4095318Or rather, Dess's body (sprites) aren't gone, they're corrupted. Her remains are the Knight. That's why the Knight looks glitchy when it takes damage. The Knight doesn't have her consciousness, but it has her will. It remembers Kris which is why they can communicate to a degree. What does the Knight want? To keep the adventure going. Opening fountains the same way the previous game had been all about: the Girl being a crazy gamer grinding out Exp having fun in her RPG. The Knight, as Ramb talked about opening fountains for fun, wants to have fun. But the Knight has some will left, which is why it opened Chapter 2's fountain: to show Noelle the city, a promise Dess couldn't fulfill.Then who was the Knight in the original game? Another character who was just the antagonist, or someone else who was the Girl+Angel, if the prophecy would be cyclical. But then where's that Knight? They're gone because the Knight is also destroyed in the end. Even more.... Kris takes the role of the Knight in the WR. That's why both Kris and Noelle are Used Up.>>4095321Kris is trying to do something different, the sneaky dimension hopper they are, Kris is then given the choice to do it the nice way or the Weird way that exposes what really happened back then. Kris may be so tempted by the WR, right because it brings us back to the place where Kris played this prophecy the first time.
I've had this crackpot hypothetical from a /v/ thread I can't find on the archive stuck in my head, and never made a textbox for it before /v/ jannies nuked it or something, so I'll just dump it here to get it out of my head.>Dess is the Roaring Knight, but not the main antagonist (who's someone completely different or an original character or something).>The Knight form is just her former Dark World persona when her and Asriel used to play in Dark Worlds when they were younger.>After seeing all the shit the actual antagonist has been getting up to with the kidnappings, titan summoning, and assassination attempt on Tenna, there's no other option but for the Roaring Knight to ride again.>Becomes a temporary party member to help out Kris, Susie, Noelle, and Ralsei.>Due to her previous outings in the dark worlds, she is EXTREMELY overpowered like EVE from Mother 1, and has her full strength and breadth of attacks from the Knight battle in the actual game.
>>4094863I don't believe Susie has the capacity to deceive anyone but herself. This would also mess with the suspected premise of 2 knowers leading a lamb to its slaughter. Someone has to be genuine.
>>4095323Don't be a party popper. Theories are fun.
>>4095280>Side B works that way to force Noelle back as The Girl.But you don't. She's not in ch3, does nothing in ch4, and jumps into a lake in ch5.
>>4095280>>4095316>>4095318>>4095324Okay, so theres evidence for Deltarune having a vaguely defined "Original Game" that was modified by Gaster. And that Nowhere, the Forgotten Man and potentially the Eggs and ERAM are a remnant of this "Original Game".But do you have any in-game evidence for your later statements, that isn't just fanfiction?Like, SusieAngel??? Seriously???
>>4095328Nothing in this game is genuine.
You know, there is a dearth of people wondering where Kris's original soul went, or why his "actual" soul is so rebellious
>>4095338Most of the game is genuine.
>>4095338Kill yourself CoL.
>>4095339If you were to try and interpret it without the player angle it'd be a story about a deeply repressed human who finds himself at odds with his own desires, which are manifested as the SOUL.With the player accounted for, it's hard to say. But I still think internal conflict helps explain where the original soul might be, and why this one is like that.
>>4095340They like to say "nothing is real", but I like answering them "nothing is evident".
>>4095303I think less Darkner form and more Amalgamate form
>>4095343What keeps getting me messed up is the bird cage and bloodIts clear he's used it before... but how does that make sense? Did we exist before ch1?
>>4095298>Abnormal Dess is completely fanon wishful thinking so it might as well be removedHow is it "fanon wishful thinking" to claim that Dess was altered physically??? Everything we know about the knight suggests that to be the case.>How is Dess even supernatural in physiology?"Supernatural in nature" applies to Dess because of oh, i don't know EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM?>>4095303The knight can't be a Darkner because they can exist in the light world.
>>4095346>Toriel is aware Kris has a floating heart thing
>>4095340Everyone lies you don't know what you're doing most of the time, and you get punished for trying to do anything.
>>4095346Like I said, internal conflict. Before we showed up, he was already taking his soul out on occasion when the goals it set him towards were inconvenient.
>>4095350And none of that relates to whether "the game" is genuine. Characters lying to other characters does not mean the story containing those characters isn't genuine.
>>4095339>where Kris's original soul wentAs far as we know the patience soul, if that exists literally just changed colours. Aqua implies that i guess.>or why his "actual" soul is so rebelliousYou mean.... Kris himself??? He's rebellious because he has his own interests that he doesn't want you fucking with. This is pretty directly shown by the game.
>>4095354Blocking the final prophecy from being seen while all the characters saw it does.
>>4095356How many times have we had this specific conversation with this specific schizo?
>>4095356No, it doesn't.>but I wanted that informationYou're right to want that information. The game isn't wronging you by not giving you it.
Post em.https://grids.fun/t/deltarune-mysteries-yisy4
>>4095324Then you can ask, “okay but what’s the real bad guy then?” This theory characterizes Eram as a devil-like fellow who’s responsible for influencing the original Girl into killing everything to get stronger (which is how the original prophecy ended). They are entertained by the chaos and death it brings, and even more so by the heroes’ tragic demise. Eram taunts Kris, because they know Kris did all this killing in the previous world and takes this is Kris’ true nature. And the FRIENDs? Eram is the cat’s troupe master, as Pink’s dialogue goes. Since Gaster’s new game has shuffled the cards to knock Eram out of their original Prince role, Eram’s decided they can force the Girl to fall by targeting her love: Noelle. It’s why the Friendlings were in Cat Petterz and also the supernatural stuff Noelle saw with ICE-E: she’s Eram’s target to fuck over Susie.The Friends are after eating the Eggs, and the Forgotten Man, because they have to destroy the evidence of the original world. Figuring out there was a previous world is necessary to stop Eram because that’s where they’re hiding. Eram having their true body found since that’s how we can beat them. Spamton went crazy because he discovered their world is a recreation, so the Friends were after his ass.>>4095337If it looks like fanfiction that's because it kinda is. I'm trying to write what Deltarune could be about in the most thematically cohesive way binding it all together. Angel theories are some of the most unsatisfying theories to me so I made one that fits what the Angel's Heaven could be with the tragedy and end of the prophecy.
>>4095359Fix the problem and the conversation goes away.
>>4095363
>>4095363Who is the strange someone?
>>4095365>me wanting information I don't have is an objective problem the game NEEDS to fixNo.
>>4095337>Like, SusieAngel??? Seriously???Susie's wish from the end of ch4 is very Angel-like, don't you think?
>>4095360It did if it demandsI still care about the story after that.
>>4095365You're saying this as if you said something valuable, and not an utterly retarded statement not worth replying to.
>>4095368Whoever Jevil talked to before he went crazy. Might be the Knight since it was also called "a strange knight" in an adjacent line, if I remember right.
>>4095368The "strange someone" is the guy Jevil talked to that drove him schizo.
>>4095371>the entire story being worth caring about is pinned on me having this piece of information right nowNo, it doesn't.>but I wanted it!!!Not an argument.
>>4095369Why waste the player's time at all if you don't want them to see anything of value.
>>4095373>>4095374What about the ARG voice?
>>4095355>As far as we know the patience soul, if that exists literally just changed coloursAnon, don't be retarded. SOUL teleported to Gasterspace at the beginning of ch1, when Kris was irrelevant and the Vessel was the player character.
>>4095375But I don't give a shit about the story anymore. I want this to be over with. Move. 8 years is too long for a story that wants to pull pranks.
>>4095376The final prophecy being the first and only thing of value in the entire story sounds like a very different Deltarune than mine.
>>4095381It IS the story.
>>4095359CoL is never leaving these threads.
>>4095377The voice in the email responses to the "how long did it take her to smile" series of questions. Talks about Kris's eyes in a way only ERAM has so far, but still not confirmed.
>>4095381Then I want a new deltarune. The writers rewarded the people who stuck with it with this garbage.
>>4095379>IT'S ME AUSTIN
>>4095373>>4095374>>4095385In that case, this is my diagram. I put Kris as the Mantle holder since it's now in our inventory.
>>4095380>I don't care anymore I just NEED to see the ending as soon as physically possible even if it isn't done yetSo you do care.>>4095383AVERTING the prophecy is the story.>>4095386There was never ever in a billion years going to be a Deltarune about being told this epic grand great prophecy that everyone is on board with and then acting it out with no hitches. This was not "stolen", it was never extant in the first place.
>>4095376>I came to Deltarune to complete the Mystery. Find the Her.ogg, Unmask the Knight, Read the Prophecy. That is what i care about, nothing else, and i can't even have that. I have no allies in this game who will actually explain lore the way they're supposed to.
>brokeDess groomed Kris>wokeKris weird route'd Dess because as kid he didn't knew the concept of violence as seen with Aquaomori'd
>>4095391Move faster.
>>4095395>I don't care about the ending I just need to see it sooner
>>4095201>Streams Deltarune Chapter 2 for its 5th anniversary this year.>Just like the Chapter 1 and UT 10th streams, its an edited Cartman Land version with cameos from Chapter 3-5 characters, new dialogue, and other stuff.>At the same time, he shares behind-the-scenes stuff about the Spamton Sweepstakes, something he ALSO planned to show off from the very first newsletter in Winter 2022 besides the Silence ending.>Spamton A. Spamton returns.>After the newsletter drops, a smidgen of pages (probably 1-3) are added to the Sweepstakes, now 4 years going strong, with Chapter 6 teasers.>1 week after the anniversary, he forgets he was supposed to update deltarune.com/7b/'s progress, and hastily throws out an addendum email exclusive to the Thank You survey participants.
>>4095392I hope we get to see Kris have a full on edgy laugh breakdownSeems in character.
>>4095377ARG voice is obviously ERAM
>>4095390Maybe when the game is over I might actually give a shit because I can see what happens. No more surprises and no more bullshit.>AVERTING the prophecy is the story.That's stupid. WHY SHOULD I.>There was never ever in a billion years going to be a Deltarune about being told this epic grand great prophecy that everyone is on board with and then acting it out with no hitches. This was not "stolen", it was never extant in the first place.Then this subversive cunt can keep it to himself instead of demanding people worship it. Ocarina of Time played it straight, even more so with the remake with the little tapestry feature, and it's gonna make ten times more money than what deltarune turned itself into.>>4095398I want it to be over with. I'm exhausted from all the bullshit. Bullshit that could have been prevented if I could look up the worst parts in advance instead of having them intentionally hidden by the writers for literal years.
>>4095404>I'll give a shit when it's over!So you care now.>That's stupid. WHY SHOULD I.Because the prophecy is clearly upsetting to the characters whose world you want to save. If the characters are still distressed about the state they'll be in after saving the world, there's something worth averting.>Ocarina of Time played it straight,Child Link plays into Ganondorf's hands by opening the Sacred Realm and then is put into stasis because he got to the master sword before he was meant to wield it. That isn't "playing it straight" at all.
>>4095404can you go over this like 20 more times every fucking thread for eternity i'm not sure I understand your position yet
>>4095386Why have you not killed yourself, CoL
>>4095402Kris will have a nervous laughing fit like Chara had after accidentally poisoning Asgore.
>>4095408I'm surprised he hasn't gone to the fangame thread. There are just as many retards assblasted about toby there as there are here. He probably won't be told to off himself as much.
>>4095384Not unless someone doxxes him or he doxxes himself by accident. That happened to one of the famitsu regulars and he's gone.
>>4095414If Kris doesn't poison themselves with the golden flowers, then who will be the victim? Imagine if Kris poisons Rudy in the hospital.
>>4095418>golden seedsFixed
>>4095416Already happened on /utg/.
>>4095418I don't think he's poisoning anyone, Chara only did that because she didn't knew buttercups were poisonous. Kris already knows the seeds are dangerous.
>>4095392>muh omori
>>4095422So suicide is the only possible choice? What if Noelle's despair is part of the plan?
>>4095422>he>she
>>4095424He plans to poison the water supplyEveryone "falls down", then the Knight causes the Roaring. Everyone is fine during The Roaring, and heroes can't stop it because everyone will die if the Roaring is stopped. What about the food? Kris didn't think that far ahead.
>>4095433>suddenly Deltarune becomes Final Fantasy 6 and Kris is now Kefka
>>4095432Not using they/them
What do you guys think about The Other Puppet?
Geno stream pleaseeee Toby pleaseeee
>>4095211Knighting Krisfreeing Jevil or calming his mania somewhat
>>4095250It is if it's supposed to be a lore thing but in that case he should have just reworked the scenes so you could fuck around in castle town halfway through the light world stuff
>>4095281It's so obvious that it is the least likely theory which is why no one talks about it
>>4095433if they were so deadly they could lethally poison a small towns water supply no way in hell Asgore would plant one to use for his wedding bouquet
>>4095346Le horble da
>>4095468Asgore is Hagrid for plants.
>>4095348Unless it's a darkner using a dead lightner body transformed into armor like a twisted opposite to Pink>>4095364There are no bad guys, it's a rock-paper-scissors cycle of misunderstood good guys put at odds with each other due to circumstances
>>4095367>>4095379Reminder that it's the player who cintrols Hero Sword, not just Kris.
>>4095472If you start up Deltarune you're technically at fault for everything that happens.
>>4095399>its an edited Cartman Land version with cameos from Chapter 3-5 characters, new dialogue, and other stuff.Omg ng+ confirmed??
>>4095415The fangames thread is spiritually a discord
>>4095475Have you ever watched the 6th and 10th anniversary streams?
What if Toby Fox wrote Undertale?
>>4095485Flowey's not going to be relevant. He was just there to set up the idea that monsters won't all be hugs and kisses, he's only stalking you because the game doesn't want you to forget him. But if he actually mattered, he'd confront us more instead of his grand total of two relevant appearances, which were back in the fucking Ruins, which was three chapters ago.Yes, this includes Genocide. We're not gonna see him anymore in Genocide either, because again, if he mattered, we'd see him more beyond "le ebin stalker".
>>4095487Releasing Undertale as a finished game prevents that entire retarded discussion though.
>>4095485>>4095487Fucking kek
>>4095489>bido gams need to release finished because......THEY JUST DO, OK???Dumbest nigga alive award. Nobody else was competing but I'm proud you put yourself out there.
>>4095489The hypothetical is "What if Toby Fox (Modern) made Undertale?"And that would presumably include wanting to release the game in chapters because he simply couldn't keep his dick in his pants.
>>4095487I'm not schizo enough to understand who this is strawmanningDon't think I've ever seen anyone say that ERAM will be irrelevant in my 5+ years of deltarune shitposting
>>4095493He would probably shoehorn in some retarded lesbian relationship, imagine if he did that. In Undertale.
>>4095496You mean how you literally can't get the best ending unless you allow Alphyne to happen?
>>4095495>Don't think I've ever seen anyone say that ERAM will be irrelevant in my 5+ years of deltarune shitpostingYou clearly missed when everyone was insisting ERAM was just "the Shadow Mantle given life" or "FRIEND using the Shadow Mantle as a facade".
>>4095487Mettaton is not going to be the boss of the Core you fucking retards, it's going to be Gaster. Why else would Toby hide those three gray fuckers, with one of them even saying he MADE the core to begin with?
>>4095485>Undyne vagueposts in normal for literally no reason>but she's extremely transparent about what Asgore wants to do in GenocideBros... is Genocide the canon route and the path to the best ending?
>>4095485even thats being generous honestly, the rest of it isnt said until Mettaton's cooking show with no further clues
>>4095363https://files.catbox.moe/qazcwo.png
>>4095501Still too much information, you could easily predict that they want human souls because they want something specific from a human. And with how openly antagonistic some monsters are towards you, you'll assume they want to use them to wage war on humanity.She needs to misdirect for no reason and completely contradict previously established context clues and say that with your help, THEY will be able to...
I still don't understand why people expected asgore to lore drop the one event that fucked up his kid so bad it sent him to therapyHe's a oaf sometimes but he's not THAT tactless.
>>4095497You mean how I'm not even subtle and you still manage to not understand that's what I'm joking about?
>>4095485>>4095501I read every single red "THAT" as the TF2 Medic when he says "ZHAT vas doctor-assisted homicide!"
>>4095495>>4095498ERAM is just a video game character, it doesn't mean anything or have any bearing on the lore.
>>4095510How did a video game character steal the Shadow Mantle from a completely different Dark World, before the Dark World containing the video game was made?
Opinion on the "Kris is All Three Heroes" theory?
>>4095512Gay
>>4095512Too silly.
>>4095500She's probably more open because you're actually a threat in genocide and have killed several people already
>>4095511Just don't think about it
>>4095485>THAT man>THAT dayFeels like I'm back to talking about One Piece tbdesu.
>>4095507He wouldn't have to do it directly, he could think to himself about it in parentheses
>>4095512Okay, and?
>>4095520You think the omniscient narrator, AKA Toby, would allow you to read the thoughts of someone who might reveal enough information that you could accurately predict the entire narrative of Deltarune because it's evidently the most basic and comprehensive plot in existence if you know even a single nugget of information, most importantly it completely spells out and spoils the fever dream ending?Very funny.
We've all collectively memoryholed how Undyne was this unstoppable badass on the warpath trying to kill you then turns into a wholesome chungus after the story doesn't need her to be cool anymore, so what happens to King in ch2 is actually even less egregious than her when you think about it.
>>4095495ERAM stocks are up since the Pink dialogue addition that says the Friends have someone who raises/controls/commands them and we have exactly one suspect. Beyond that the fandom was too distracted with a single demon cat bad guy
>>4095522Y-Yeah...ok...
>>4095507Come on, literally just namedrop dess ONCEI'm not telling rewrite the entire dialogue, just mention dess ONCE, not even what happened to herEven if Mew was a lore patch and also a bit vague, she dropped that friend are cats, that's was a more acceptable vagueposting
>>4095524>and we have exactly one suspect.Jockington
>>4095519Deltarune fans would not handle One Piece. Maybe this is why I don't mind the vagueposting.
>>4095524>and we have exactly one suspect.Yeah, Noelle.
>>4095509I hear the first ROHHHH of Demo's schadenfreude laugh whenever I see Berdly's distorted troll-face in the dialogue box
>>4095529Just imagine>we're 2000 episodes in and WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCKING ONE PIECE IS?!? TOBY YOU HACK
>>4095523Perhaps the watermark for being a "wholesome chungus" is higher than not being impossible to befriend.
>>4095524>and we have exactly one suspect.Yeah, Temmie
>>4095530Unironicallyhttps://deltarune.com/catpetterz/https://deltarune.com/egg/
>>4095485I look forward to seeing this posted every thread for the rest of time.really this highlights that there's some pieces of information we're probably undervaluing
>>4095532>perhaps the real events of THAT HORRIBLE DAY were the horrible friends we made along the way
>>4095531>the first ROHHHHThe best is when TF2 smexuals or Gmod videos extend that bit so he sounds like he's hollering.
>>4095536>"Is my author so out of touch...?">"No. Its the audience who are wrong."
Weird how this thread hates Kriselle when it's a healthy heterosexual relationship.
>>4095536The problem is that when Toby is deliberately setting up red herrings (Ice Wolf calling Asgore "Flower Man") you can't trust what is or isn't valuable information anymore until the game is complete.We'll all look back in retrospect and realize "oh wow, it was that obvious?" at key points and feel retarded, but that's exactly why Toby is being so cryptic and vague because otherwise you could extremely easily predict his magnum opus, and he likely expects everyone will just go "eh, called it" and not be that excited when the fever dream ending finally plays out.
Okay, but who is the best 4D chess player in all of Hometown?>Carol>Knight>Kris>Ralsei (Its not him but he belongs in the category anyways thanks to his scheming and knowing large parts of the prophency)>FRIEND>GASTER
>>4095542Kris. Fucker's playing literally everyone for fools, and if FemKris is true, she's even playing THE PROPHECY ITSELF for a fool.
>>4095539unironically yes
>>4095539Exactly. You have to step back and realize that we're arguing using limited knowledge and no context for most of the things.
Kris manipulated Asgore to not tell anything, he only allows Noelle to talk about Dess
>>4095540Man I'm Kriselle's biggest freak-flag flyer and I wouldn't ever call it healthy, they have a trauma bond on top of the childhood friendship and a loose expectation of shacking up like Asriel and Dess did.
>>4095542Kris and Gaster>CarolCan't even convince Kris to fuck Noelle>KnightCan't do shit without Kris>RalseiA crying faggot>FRIENDSome dumb cat. Literally the pet of the big bad
>>4095547Which is why Toby basically said "stop theorizing, you'll literally never get it correct" in the newsletter. You don't smugly state "I don't read or watch theories because I already know my game." unless you're reality checking your audience.
>>4095540We love yuri Kriselle here.
>>4095541Asgore was the Flower Man. So was Flowery. Don't forget that if the prophesy needs to reference a character directly by name it will.
>>4095553He's the Flower Man according to his peers, but Flowery is the real Flower Man the boss3 prophecy was talking about, else Asgore would've been the boss.
>>4095521Do you think it's true? Kris's plan is to fulfill the role of all three heroes herself so nobody else has to die.
>>4095547You have to step back and realize that's not how a good, well written story and especially mystery is done
>>4095551>I know Toby said one thing but he actually meant something I made up instead!
>>4095540What the fuck are you talking about? We love Kriselle here. You are thinking about /utg/
>>4095542Forgetting a few people>Annoying Dog>Tem>Sans>Seam>ERAM>Probably more
>>4095519>>4095532Deltarune reminds me of ongoing manga threads but instead of waiting 1 month for each chapter we wait a year
>>4095557Does>Personally, I really don’t read or watch theories. That’s because I already know what my game is.Not come off as smug arrogance to you? Especially when the Mikes exist, who are literally reactionary in their existence, because without FRIEND Mike, Woody Theory or "Mike is the TV", they wouldn't exist?
>>4095554The prophesy states that there will be a flower man locked in asylum and we have two flower men locked in asylum, one literal and one metaphorical.>muh internal image file nameAsgore is a boss monster, yes. Nobody ever said you'd fight him though. That's your own vibe prediction.
>>4095535Unless assuming Noelle is secretly the bad guy raising demons since she was a kid, they are probably after her
>>4095562>m-muh vibes!Right, I forgot we never actually fought Queen or Tenna. How foolish of me to forget the well-established pattern!
>>4095549Kriselle can be healthy. Kris and Noelle just need to overcome the circumstances.>>4095552Fuck off, Epstein.
>>4095556Deltarune is not a mystery story. Things will be revealed when the time is appropriate.>>4095561>Not come off as smug arrogance to you?No, that's you being a raped mikefag. He said what he said. Actually he said things directly opposite of what you're saying that he said.
>>4095566Sorry but Kriselle is HFOFA.
>>4095565What pattern? Nothing in the game ever hinted that Asgore is going to have a fight. You're actually schizoing out right now.
>>4095529Digimon Ghost Game was the worst offender. It constantly teased the plot. Wooo, it's gonna happen! Just you wait! Mystery!!! Newsflash: plot never happened, and ending was a joke ("it was aliens, man").
>>4095567>Deltarune is not a mystery story.Then don't have a bonus scene cockteasing the reveal of Knight's identity, only to pull it away and go "nuh-uh", encouraging your players to assume there's a mystery that needs to be solved.
>>4095542Kris is both a fucking retard for failing to protect the codes but also a geniusLike what the fuck happened in chapter 3, did Kris made a 4D chess move by preventing Toriel kidnapping by luring Undyne in so the Knight had to change target?
>>4095555I think the whole thing falls apart when you remember "Three heroes arrive at world's edge" bit, and its ultimately an unnecesary idea because the real theory its stating "Kris is trying to become the martyr for the story" which shouldnt require that. Why cant it be as simple as "ONE HERO MUST MEET THEIR END" and Kris is setting up to be that?
>>4095569>boss1 is a prophecy about Queen>boss2 is a prophecy about Tenna>boss3 is a prophecy heavily featuring Asgore and even mentions him by his given title from Ice Wolf... but it's actually about Flowery, lol!
>>4095571This thread already has the explanation why the Knight's identity isn't a mystery. Scroll up and read it again.
Why complain you're not getting an Asgore fight in Chapter 5 when you're getting a fight in 7B?
>>4095535Why did Noelle own a Mew Mew figurine
>>4095558Fixed
>>4095567The time was appropriate last summer.
>>4095574>muh filenamesAs I said, vibe prediction. Play the game instead of reading the wiki.
>>4095575Then why have a bonus scene that frames Knight's identity like its a mystery that needs to be solved? Just don't include it. Don't have Susie question Knight's identity, have everyone openly state they don't care who Knight is, only that they need to stop them because they don't know what Knight's planning and that's scarier than if it were just trying to speedrun The Roaring.
>>4095580You don't get to decide that. Go write your own Deltarune.
>>4095541Both Asgore and Flowery are the Flower Man. That's, like, the whole point of the song. Yeah, I thought it would mean an Asgore presence in the fight too, but the image of Asgore holding a literal flower should've immediately raised red flags in hindsight. Why would a flower still look exactly like a flower in the dark world? Some Darkners have a similar profile but none of them normally look exactly like their light world self. The exceptions are both obvious and not even double digits in quantity.>We'll all look back in retrospect and realize "oh wow, it was that obvious?" at key points and feel retarded, but that's exactly why Toby is being so cryptic and vagueI don't feel like this is good enough cause to completely give up on theorizing. If it'll look obvious in hindsight, there's no way it's impossible to theorize. Our odds only reduce significantly if we let the fandom fall into a sort of theory monopoly.
>>4095532That's why I quit one piece tho. It forgot about the actual hunt for the treasure
>>4095581>V-VIBE PREDICTION!!!! PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!Don't include text you literally can't see without datamining like UNUSED if you don't want datamining to be a part of how people analyze your game, retarded fucking dog.
>>4095582Scroll up nigga. We just had this exact conversation. There is nothing more to add, it's a solved topic.
>>4095507Because the entire world is at stake
I like how nothing the flowers did actually mattered.
>>4095561>Not come off as smug arrogance to you?No? He clearly pays attention to general Deltarune fan content. He noticed the Mikes because they managed to make up a significant portion of all fan content in the late post-2 era, not because he's actively paying attention to theories.
>>4095576Chapter 7B being new game plus where you get new fights AND new themes sounds too good to be trueThe only way for Asgore's fight to work at this point is playing as the vessel and causing the Hometown Massacre, would be a nice a nod to Undertale's genocide routeBut then again, this is the same game that hyped the festival since chapter 2 (last 5 years) only for it to be turned out a nothingburger, even more insignificant than the weird route lake scene
>>4095590It's almost like... in this world, no one can choose who they are, so your choices don't matter, or something. Haha.
>>4095586Yes, basing theories just on filenames is the essence of vibe predicting. You have zero evidence and all you have is a "maybe", you gamble and you lose. And you will get raped over and over again until you learn that.
>>4095564>they are probably after herMaybe. I feel like not enough people talk about Catti. This emo fat fuck apparently summoned a demon with Kris's help when they were little, and for some reason nobody in the fandom finds this suspicious.
>>4095574Everyone already guessed that you fight the flower between the King's hands in the prophecy panel. Asgore fight was always just wishful thinking, and not a real theory. Why would Asgore try to kill his own son and his classmate, anyway? That would be character assassination. Get a grip.
>>4095492Because I enjoy finished games more than this one.>>4095576Because I no longer trust Toby Fox to do anything cool with his settings and characters.
>>4095539>the customer is always correct except in matters of tasteYep.
>>4095594If text you literally cannot see without datamining is valid, then filenames are valid. You have offered no refutation towards my point about UNUSED, who is very clearly being set up to be lore-relevant, but has a story you can ONLY see through datamining.I accept your concession, good day.
>>4095595It's because the entire fandom is busy chasing irrelevant pretend world info like Knight's identity instead of paying attention to the Light world.
>>4095590Nobodies choices matterNot Gerson'sNot Flowery'sNot the Fun Gang'sNone of the other Darkners or LightnersNot even mine
>>4095577You mean this part?>Mewmewqueen'sThat's Alphys, Noelle played a mod she made, which might be the reason why Mew know the friendlings
>>4095596Like Toriel turning into a drunken whore and breaking her image in the first game?
>>4095595>not enough people talk about Cattiwut? Everyone complains every single chapter about Catti being absent from dark worlds.
>>4095596>Why would Asgore try to kill his own son and his classmate, anyway?The same reason he tried to kill a kid who reminded him of Chara in Undertale, because duty is more important than his own personal sentiments. Especially when he could've learned that Kris made the fountain, implicating him as an accomplice to THE ONE WHO CAUSED THAT HORRIBLE DAY.But oh wait, that would require the story to actually progress before Chapter 7, so never mind.
>>4095562>muh internal image file nameHe's holding Flowery who literally is the boss of 5's world. Honestly filenamefags do it to themselves, they deserve to get red herringed more than people who just play the game.
>>4095601Not even Toby's own choices matter. He tried to avert the Queen's Unstoppable Chariot, but then when Queen's car was stopped, the prophecy just redefined the unstoppable chariot as GIGA Queen.
>>4095579Autistic.
>>4095599>then filenames are validObviously not if you based your prediction on one and it meant nothing. Same as every other.> UNUSEDIt's a nothingburger right now, not worth discussing for anything other than wild unrelated speculation. The fact that you even bring it up just proves you're all in on vibe theories and will get raped and gaped by the actual game until you learn this.
>>4095595Because Toby Fox made Catti cry and expected everyone to laugh about it.
>>4095570The ending wasn't a joke because aliens, it was a joke because it went out of its way to make the alines explanation as stupid as possible and then make the antagonist a complete retard who doesn't understand how time works.
>>4095579Based
>>4095610So if UNUSED is irrelevant, why even have an ongoing narrative with them? Why include them at all? They don't matter, why waste time on this?Oh right, because Toby likes to make theorybait to distract people, because if there wasn't wild disconnected theorybait everywhere all the time, people might figure out the narrative before Chapter 7, and then he'll piss and shit himself in anger that his magnum opus was figured out before he was ready to reveal it.
>>4095605This is not a fantasy land, and he's not a warlord like he was there. This is real life. This would be murder and filicide. Kris is Chara (role-wise, not trait-wise), and even UT Asgore never tried to kill Chara, anyway.
>>4095611Catti deserves worse. All obese fucks are on my kill list.
If Toby Fox wrote FNAF>So the animatronics roam around the night, but they also used to roam the day too back then until... that day>Yeah, it was a horrible day>I don't think the establishment ever expected that sort of thing to happen, you know?>Not even I believed it has happened, but it did>but anyway, I will spare you of the story of that horrible day, don't want you have you scared for your life for the rest of the shift. would be a horrible a prank
Scott cawthon would have made a better deltarune
>>4095620This is basically fnaf already.
>>4095596>Why would Asgore try to kill his own sonHype aura and moments
>>4095576Asgore ain't gonna do squat.
>>4095621>Implying Scott isn't working with Toby on DeltaruneNeed i remind you of the froggit named "Mike" in the fnaf 2 files?
>>4095620Anon-san lmao, Scott literally refused to reveal that fucking box
Anyone else who pulled the stunts that Toby Fox did would have been crucified by now.
>>4095620There's no difference between Toby and Scott aside from the fact Scott is constantly retconning things. They both vaguepost, they both create distractions that only serve to generate theorybait so no one can actually solve the main story, and they both make antagonists and protagonists with unknowable motivations.
>>4095626Doubt it. Scott would have kept the homos out.
>>4095627Just like how Toby refused to explain the machine in Sans's backroom? Yeah, they're the same guy.
>>4095624Was it really necessary to anally impale Kris to death and show it to the whole town?
>>4095634Yeah? Asgore literally said he'd hoist the culprit's corpse and parade it around town.
>>4095632Unlikely considering he wrote William Afton.
>>4095620>"hehe wouldn't this be funny?" >it's actually not because they're too similarDamn
>>4095633If Sans for some reason doesn't fuck off to Undertale after whatever the fuck happens in Deltarune then sure, Toby a fucking hack, but for now, not only we got the don't forget drawing, he also gave you a key item for the weird route so he will be somewhat relevant there
Everybody glazing how le epic a genocide route would be even though every sign points to Kris being a genuinely good person meaning all his shady business is just to avoid an even worse fate he witnessed in his previous save file
>>4095531Are sound gifs only supposed to work for browsers with 4chan X installed?
>>4095532Egghead literally has an Asgore tier vagueposting monologue lol. 1000+ chapters in.
>>4095630I think the big difference between Scott and Toby is that Scott makes shit up along with the way, and Toby already has the (most) of the story planned, but he saves everything for the last minuteRight now, both of them seems very similar with vagueposting and theorybaiting>>4095642That's why it makes more sense to play as the vessel
>>4095640>hay...........if you keep pricking that girl's finger..........yuour'e going to haved a bad time thoughever lmao *Omegalovania starts playing*
>>4095574doubt.jpg was already in effect on a lightner suddenly being a prophecied boss after two darkners
>>4095642The Vessel would be the one doing the Genocide Route.
>>4095643userscript but yes
>>4095646Toby's making shit up as he goes along too, difference is instead of having a general core idea, Toby has a concrete ending in mind and is working backwards to get there, strung between it and the beginning he made even if the times are clearly influencing how he writes, composes, designs and overhauls.
>>4095646>>4095650So you admit you're a bad person.
>>4095639Twisted sword route ending
>>4095574Feels good being one of the main people saying that the golden flower would've been the main boss.
>>4095654
Deltarune VR mod
>>4095579Did you seriously just remove the ribbon? Holy autism.
>>4095596Sadly people who thought the gokden flower would be the boss like me where in the minority
>>4095648Sans kinda made the lake happen because he stalled Susie with the ice cream kekw almost intentional
>>4095639KINO
>Asriel comes back>looks EXACTLY like Flowery
>>4095657congratulations from going from>darkner based on object>darkner based on objectto>initially presumed to be a darkner based on an "object"
>>4095639CoLrune.
>>4095614>Why include them at all?It's bonus lore that's cool to know. Like Gaster in Undertale.
>>4095665Asriel looks like Rudy?
>>4095639You forgot to have them be like "now let's go be Dragon Quest 7 the Mission" to make it the perfect game
>>4095665>Sorry to keep you waiting
i feel stupid for not realizing until after nearly 8 years, but if we go with reverse undertale, the vessel making scene could be a parallel to the scene of meeting Chara at the end of the genocide route. so Chara = Vessel and Kris = FriskAlso works because we are playing as the character that we didn't name. We may get Undertale intro style sprites of the vessel at the end of the game
>>4095669Women store the DNA of every guy that creampies them so Toriel only gives birth to humans because that's who ran trains on her in college
>>4095666Grok explain this schizo post
>>4095668But Gaster was Deltarune foreshadowing, so his inclusion had a purpose.UNUSED either has no purpose, or is foreshadowing UNRELATED.
>>4095669something something wild college days
>>4095673>Greetings>My name is GAY
the GOOD ending
>>4095673The ending will show your vessel viciously beating and molesting your son Chara, causing him to climb the mountain
>>4095680>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Susan
>>4095669Honestly I never saw why people think Flowery is a Rudy clone in terms of looks.
>>4095680>Tall KrisIt's shit.
>>4095681>sonDaughter.There are no toxic gay relationships in UTDR, and Chasriel is an extremely unhealthy pairing.
>>4095677You can still play Deltarune without knowing anything about Gaster because his role is still unknown here. UNUSED may have a purpose but right now it's flavor text that doesn't actually affect the game in a meaningful way. It might in the future, but then it will be addressed directly, like for example you reaching that person in 7B and getting an actual explanation how they got lost in nothingness.
>>4095681*daughter*her
>>4095687>There are no toxic gay relationships in UTDRKriselle?
>>4095680I like that every Susie gooner fucking hates her long ugly snout
https://youtu.be/K8KhhVpSG54Would Tenna be a good schizo boss?
>>4095673Not quite, Kris is Chara in Frisk's role and Vessel is Frisk in Chara's role. The Vessel creation scene is mirroing the Chara scene, though, but with the fact we're being denied our Frisk of this game.
>>4095684He's supposed to look like Rudy in his younger daysThe hair style is even similar
>>4095691Kris is a boy. A very faggy boy thanks to being groomed by Dess, but a boy.
>>4095685
>>4095693He would not beat the diet Spamton allegations if he was
>>4095696I can see it a bit but I do think that's just because he's trying to be Asgore’s best friend and that's what Rudy is.
>>4095670>Dragon Blazers 7
>>4095697>A very faggy boy thanks to being groomed by DessAre you implying getting raped by a hot mentally ill girl turns you into a sissy?
>>4095705Dess is a Holiday, and Holidays are into some freaky shit. For Noelle it's sadomasochism, for Dess it's sissification.
>>4095698kek
>>4095707>Dess it's sissification.Well, that explains Asriel... and Ralsei...
>>4095703Yeah no shit
>>4095709Imagine you find your soulmate and they have your biggest fetish baked right into their personality.
>>4095704That would be an in-game reference, I was doing an in-thread reference.
>>4095707what are rudy, chester and carol into then?
>>4095712>Imagine you find your soulmateNever going to happen to anyone in this thread.
Who the fuck is Chester?
>>4095716>rudyBondage>carolTender love and care
>>4095720Marigold the giant rat owner
>>4095720A shitty meme like Togore.
>>4095719I found my soulmate. Noelle reminds me of her.
>>4095720a meme that goes along with togore, its basically just the concept of noelle and dess having a brother
What's the lore on grazing sounding like rain hitting a roof or something
>>4095724Rare femanon sighting. That mean you're 70 IQ and eat chalk?
>>4095725It's too vague so we just say it's friend hunting, well it has a small evidence and is that cat raining minigame from 4
>>4095726mean >>4095726Also Carol suspending class just for that is curious
>>4095728I'm dude. My Nole was straight.
>>4095733lmao what a fucking retard i am i'm blind >>4095731
>>4095734Not real noel then. Get lost.
>>4095507For the life of me, I can't understand this assumption that if Toby wanted the player to know more about the events of That Day, Asgore would need to recount it all to Kris.The solution was right in the game. There's a scene where Asgore drops a piece of his findings and Susie and Ralsei try to make sense of it. You can have a sideplot where Susie tries to piece together what Asgore found with her own knowledge of the Dark World while Kris wants to keep her from knowing too much (contrasting with the player likely wanting to know more themselves), with Ralsei caught in the middle.But this is the calm before the storm chapter so you can't advance the plot in any significant way fuck you
>>4095719Sorry bud, but I'm almost at the 4-year mark with my potato.
>>4095739Noelle does not love Susie, she can't even say it.
I miss when entertainers were disposable and did what they were told.
>>4095492>he's actually defending episodic releasesThe absolute state of this thread dear lord
>>4095741Regular potato or sweet potato?
>>4095742Do either of them say they love each other
>DR is post-pacifist UT>monsters decided to overtake the world and mostly wiped out humanity, only sparing the children>Monster Kid killed Frisk for letting it all happen
>>4095746Depends on the day. My potato is a bit moody.
>>4095740Stop focusing on the tragedy, this is a comedy.
>>4095753Thank you Blue for reminding me, otherwise i would have lost myself in searching for an answer that is out of reach for me.
>>4095744You dropped your son, King.
>>4095749nope lolthe mature second game by the way
>>4095753nothing more comedic than selling butt sex to children and getting away with it
>>4095751did the monsters lose all the technological advancements in the war?
>>4095761They hired Temmies to replace most of the tech industry workers
>>4095760>yurislop = buttsexHuh?
>>4095763blue grooms susie into thinking the homo shit is normal
>>4095758I thought it was just a parallel storyit wasn't really mature back then either
Remember when Susie was cool?
>>4095768I do. ch4 turned her into a retard
>>4095768No
>>4095766by fucking her in the ass?
>>4095292We have no idea what Ralsei's true personality is like
>>4095771Meant for >>4095768
>>4095721>carol*with a side of possessiveness out of fear of loss
>>4095772Man then i guess he's been faking his "I GOTTA HOLD BACK MY FIRE MAGIC" arc all the time because Eram can't be it's own character.
>>4095772he's a lot like marigold the giant rat
What if it's like in the original timeline Santa created an everlasting night by making it cloudy and snow everywhere so it could be a Christmas dark world forever and Susie helped him and Kris had to kill her so in the new timeline Kris lets Susie have Noelle so she can be happy in the real world and not rely on escapism but when they kill Santa at the end Kris BECOMES Santa...
When I wake up tomorrow there better be a newsletter in my email inbox
>>4095772We don't know what anything is, that's why theories are pointless for this game specifically.
Toby put a pipe bomb in my mailbox.
>>4095721Wouldn't it make more sense for Rudy to be into breathplay?
>>4095790>breathplayFetishes are so retarded lmao
>>4095790>still thinks Carol is the one calling KrisLmao. WR already proved you wrong. Carol calls Kris while they are alone and it is a completely normal call.
>>4095786Yup. The only thing we do know for sure is that we know nothing. Any chapter could suddenly reveal an asspull of new information that completely recontextualizes the entire game for us.For all we know, there is no actual bad guy except for (You) on the Weird Route, and Knight is simply pretending to be evil because... player subversion??????
AS YOU KNOW, I'LL BE RIGHT THERE.
>>4095795what a hack
>>4095794Mystery Nigga not calling at night on WR is honestly Kriselle Knight evidence. Why would Knight need to worry about the original plan anymore if it's clear the player is sending Kris down the path to fulfill the cycle of a new Knight's birth?
>>4095796Obvious red herring is obvious, Toby. Carol just came before the Knight.
Kris forcing Susie to force him to take her last name when they marry
Carol can't be Knight because she needs to get kidnapped immediately after giving her approving blessing to Suselle, having been thoroughly humbled about why being homophobic is wrong and evil, and that she shouldn't have been such a worrywart over her daughter because it's not that big a deal that she lost her other daughter to THAT incident.
>>4095281Let's assume that Ralsei was ERAMWhat was he trying to achieve with fighting Kris? Blocking you from getting the Shadow Mantle? If so, then that'd mean he was trying to prevent you from getting something that would've helped your fight with the Knight. I don't think that makes him on the same side of the Knight since Tenna was and he didn't consider Ralsei part of the team.This also adds up on him being aware of the Weird Route, which is already implied when he says it's a poor choice if you say you want to take Noelle on the festival, and also implied when he says he's glad Kris is okay after aborting the weird route on the lake in chapter 5.So yeah, Ralsei being ERAM is plausible especially since both uses fire magic, and it may imply he's going to be one of the last bosses of the weird route, possibly Deltarune's SansIn a way, this also this also makes Ramb inverse of Ralsei. Someone who is willing to give Kris freedom without any ulterior motives
>>4095801Epstein your dead
>player controls Hero Sword even when it exits the game>Hero Sword gets used upI don't think Kris will be the one dying in Weird
>>4095805Correct. Kris is Chara, Vessel is Frisk. What happens at the end of Genocide? Frisk gets used up.
>>4095804>picLMAO
>>4095804The funny thing is that Noelle would be happy if Susie were abusive to her.
>>4095804pre chapter 5 image, we know noelle would be the beater in the relationship
>>4095579still lesbian flag colors
>>4095802>What was he trying to achieve with fighting Kris?Did you not read the dialogue? He led Kris to an important item after letting Kris have a bunch of fun playing a game.
>>4095796That was the Knight making the Dark World earlier btw.
>>4095812>Kris stopped hanging out with Noelle because she started to pinch their butt and tits very hard for not wanting to strangle her
The flowners seem like a pointless gimmick to introduce unless it really is to set Ralsei up as a tree or forest, in which case his powers don't make much sense unless he's fire because he's fated to get burned up to rid Hometown of the forest barrier for whatever reason
>>4095775Did you not notice how in chapter 5 he keeps wanting to burn flowery and is acting sadistic?That's his real self slipping outHe's a cruel eldritch monster who's desperately trying to force himself to be nice and spare people because it may the only way out of the prophecy
>>4095636i don't recall him saying corpse
>Ralsei is the burning bush and the christcuck was rightJUST
>>4095819>spare peoplespare darkners*
>>4095819so Ralsei is Flowey 2.0CoolFunny how chapter 1 era theories have been making a resurgence as of late, fitting with chapter 5 nostalgiabaiting ch1
Ralsei's not evil...
>>4095819There should be an edit of that girl whose bf took a pic of her to show how small she is from his perspective but with Orange and Ralsei
>>4095819>susie teaches ralsei sarcasm>ralsei uses this ability to troll the dying floweryive been on team evil ralsei since chapter 2chapter 1 i had a feeling, but the post-spamton fight dialogue sealed it for me.
>>4095540/u/ raids constantly across the site
>>4095823It's unironically possible he only pushed out Chapter 2 because people were getting too close to the utmost truth, nigga was probably sweating bullets when everyone immediately predicted Hometown Genocide as a possibility.Chapter 1 fandom correctly ignored Dark Worlds outside of memes because they were just illusory pretend bullshit, correctly knew that there would be some implication of genocides, correctly knew that Sans was still a gigaknower, and correctly knew that Kris really was up to some bullshit.
>>4095819>Ralsei forgets to cover his mouth one time when he laughs>He sounds just like ERAM's laughThat would be kino of the highest order
>>4095829>correctly knew that Sans was still a gigaknowerthey only "knew" that because they were still on the "sans, sans & sans: the show" era so they were heavily biased towards sans knowing everything
still-life noelle, how did toby fuck up so hard?
>>4094850this, yet people still demand mountains of explicit evidence for any theory imaginable instead of just letting others be
>>4095830Hnnngggg
>>4095363https://files.catbox.moe/8bv4uf.PNGi'm something of a real /v/ theoriest, myself
>>4095829To be fair, all of these theories are coming back out in a completely different light.Chapter 1 era hometown genocide was "Chara followed us and now we're gonna help them genocide a new world because we gotta see what happens!" and modern hometown genocide is "we're going to either return to hometown or visit a duplicate and kill it as part of an elaborate prophecy break".
Next game should be the Mikes going on adventures in a fully decked out Castle Town that's become its own city and has some environmental variety to make it interesting to explore, the trio has to balance being failed detectives floundering their way through cases, doing obnoxious and abrupt work that Tenna forces on them, and doing Workaholics-esque hijinks, then they solve a major case by accident at the end while trying to solve some unrelated minor case.
>>4095829>nigga was probably sweating bullets when everyone immediately predicted Hometown Genocide as a possibilitydo you think toby was like "I know exactly how I'll throw them off the trail I'll make the chara clone hold up a knife and stare into the camera with a big ol' red eye" or what man
>>4095819>Anon's barely concealed sadistic twink fetish
>>4095838what? is the inconsistency you're pointing out?if that's what bothers you don't look at her walking downwards chapter 2 onwards sprite
>>4095855*is it the inconsistency
>>4095698>kris taller than ralseiit's still shit, the gote has 2" on kris at least
>>4095855it's the fact that it looks as if noelle has an antler on the back of her head
>>4095819ralsei is similar to noelle in that both of their 'niceness' does not come from a place of morality noelle is nice because she is expected to be, she's just a noelle, after allralsei is nice because he believes that it may change the prophecy, not because he thinks it better than fighting
>>4095838bigger noelle theory
>>4095859You really don't know what else to complain about, right?
Is Ralsei actually a prince? Is there a source besides him claiming to be one?
>>4095863i would argue ralsei is the only one 100% confirmed to be the role he's claimed to be due to the concept art susie looks nothing like any of the depicted heroes, and 'human' is suspiciously not named kris and hitting poses very similar to the second hero
>>4095862it's better than complainining about how "toby personally wronged me reee!!!", at least
>>4095863Dude.
>>4095863No, she is a princess lmao
>>4095864but if ralsei and susie are definitivamente the roles they're meant to be, how can human actually be the second girl if susie IS the second hero?
>>4095858Not when Ralsei is in stepstool mode
>>4095867ralsei is a prince, a princess and an enby heir, because Ralsei is genderfluid
>>4095838Toby loves his inconsistencies just look at Ralsei and his fucking horns
>>4095868If it turns out Susie is actually the girl and the whole 'Love finds its way to the Girl' means the SOUL is going to abandon Kris for Susie, meaning we will get stuck playing with Susie for the rest of the game, I will get so mad.
>>4095868susie is too dissimilar to the second heroshe is actively forcing herself to fit the requirements after learning themi'm almost certain she'll try using swords/ pens next chapter, only to be terrible with them
>>4095811
>>4095838>>4095871i wonder if toby used an older version of that noelle sprite for chapter 5, because the chapter 4 example sprite seems more polished than the one from chapter 5
>>4095873if you play as susie then that means you can fuck up her relationship with noelle
>>4095838>toby totally doesn't use ai you guys!
>>4095875This used to just be a funny pic now it's a personal attack to some people
>>4095879Stop acting like a retard, anon. Think about your mother.
>>4095829>Chapter 1 fandom correctly ignored Dark WorldsWas I that alone in being excited for more Card Kingdom stuff?
>>40958774/5 swap theory gets yet another point in its favour
>>4095879ironically if toby used AI, maybe the game would have been completed already
>>4095829There is something to be said about how Chapter 2 successfully put everyone in the wrong path for what the full game would be through the patternfagging it inspired.
>>4095882it was the other way around, chapter 1 era predicted all dark worlds to be just card kingdom 2, complete with more card based darkners
>>4095800>Kris Gaster is canonyup, it's peak
>>4095879what the fuck are you talking about
>>4095885>people figure game out>"shit they got me i gotta bait the players">establishes pattern for theorybaiting>rugpulls it all right afterwards>then completely kills the freedom motif shit with the knight and his theory-destruction mike dolls doing a joke about the motif thing
>>4095829The real truke is realizing the 2016-18 fandom was right about anything.
>>4095881>You start to think about your mother...>Then you imagine if every Soul got its own game!>DR already covers the convoluted story of the Cyan Soul, Yellow covered the...Yellow Soul, and Blue could be about gay niggers from outer space tonguing monsters anuses to win battles!
>>4095892Yellow is not canon and not approved by our beloved dog. You're being sent to the theory mines again.
>>4095894AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>4095875Kys
>>4095894toby used yellow to make uty references
>>4095829>It's unironically possible he only pushed out Chapter 2 because people were getting too close to the utmost truth>nigga was probably sweating bullets when everyone immediately predicted Hometown Genocide as a possibilityThat doesn't make sense, anon. Chapter 3 gave us the creepy mini-sword game, and that gives Genocide vibes as fuck.
>>4095886Fucking how did this end up being so common again? We saw the other three kings in the basement. Was it going to be jacks and queens exclusively for chapters 2 through 5?
>>4095906That one picture is in the extreme of not paying attention to the game, but there was a noticeable following of expecting Jevil's "Queen" to be a spade queen, like a precursor to all the Mikes and Tennas.
>>4095899(derogatory)
>>4095906To be fair back then people expected Lancer to be the real prince and that he'd be a main character
>>4095914To be fair we did get a Spade Queen "Queen" that is Lancer's mother.
>>4095919how so
>>4095923queen looking similar to king was a later change thoughoriginally she looked more like a xenomorph or medusa
>>4095923Crazy how that foreshadowing was lie 80% straight forward with the execution. This picture is from before 2 released by the way.
>>4095920well, TECHNICALLY, people predicted ralsei not being the real prince, the wrong thing was calling lancer the real prince of dark when the real prince of dark was actually ERAM
>>40959251. still looks like king/lancer a bit, green colour aside2. beta queen was also evil like king
>>4095926Kris is the Queenest Queen of them all then
>>4095933Which is quite the tricky tony twist, considering he's male,
>>4095933erm, kris is the princess in this fairy talethe ribbon and asgore confirmed it
>>4095927>calling lancer the real prince of darkdoesn't help Lancer>was called a prince by someone else>had an actual kingdom>obviously son of a king>was a darkner>pretended to join the party for a momentI miss those times.
>>4095875>p*nkittI hate this tranny's """art""" so much it's unreal
>>4095923She's everybody's mother and now it is time for her children to pair up and produce offspring.
>>4095927I've whined about how MANTLE should have been a cyber world thing before, but if Eram is really going to have this much importance, it would have helped if he was introduced like that earlier in the story (and earlier in the wait).
>>4095947>but if Eram is really going to have this much importance, it would have helped if he was introduced like that earlier in the story (and earlier in the wait).and the roaring knight's reveal being at chapter 3...?
>>4095942I don't :)
Ralsei isn't a prince, he's only pretending to be one. Asriel and Kris are the real princes.
>>4095926Turns out Toriel WAS the Queen once. Festival Queen but still. And the real Queen is heavily based on Noelle...'s mom.I still don't think anyone had an even half decent idea of what "Queen" would be like just from her name though. Same complaint I have with Mike screeching.
why was Ralsei the prince of nothing
>"dude you gotta check out Undertale Yellow, it's basically a full-fledged Undertale game that's just as good as the original!" >go to SteamCharts>zero concurrent UTY players>surely the sales must at least be decent>literally zero salesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4095950I'm not yet sure how to feel about RK in 3.It was shocking, but the battle only makes the next few chapters and specially the shadow crystal bosses look like a joke in comparisson.The Knight remaining a mystery for longer wouldn't sound as bad if the game didn't also have a whole other bunch of characters like that AND didn't kept introducing more of them. Scooby Doo identity mysteries are fun, but it wasn't really a reveal as much as it just narrowed down the candidates while the discussion remains as annoying as ever but without the fun of the random as fuck reasonable candidates we used to have.
>>4095957Because his life is a joke and he's pathetic and he should kill himself and no one read his shitty manual and nothing he does matters
>>4095960anon... undertale yellow is free.
>>4095954ywnbaw
It's been 5 chapters and the only thing we learned about Ralsie is that he's an impossibility. AKA, he breaks the rules so we can't even predict what he is.
>>4095963Worth every penny!
>>4095966But anon you REALLY don't wanna see what happens if he doesn't hold back
>>4095957ralsei is a cheap replacement of the original prince of dark, Eram has his own IMAGE_FRIEND subjects and probably owns whatever darkners were stashed away in the bunker
>>4095956>I still don't think anyone had an even half decent idea of what "Queen" would be like just from her name thoughAmazing you hate this type of speculation so hard you don't even pay attention to the thing I just showed you.All the most basic expectations around Queen were correct EXCEPT her being a computer ruler of a cyber world instead of another card person.>romantically involved with King>mother of Lancer>a major character>looks like the spadesThe biggest stretch was some people putting her on the same level as the Knight because of how Jevil talks about her, but that's it.
>>4095964Actually I can be whatever I want, Deltarune taught everybody that you can be whatever you feel like! It also taught me that DQ7 is overhyped dogshit, I don't know if that matters.
>>4095966he's breaking rules we don't even know about how inventive
>>4095966his existence is rule breaking yet he doesn't want to break the rules more cause of reasons he will not tell anyone
>>4095971>Deltarune taught everybody that you can be whatever you feel like!>"oh, you wanna roleplay as a villain?">"here, have chapter 2 weird route! buy the game for more!">...>"thanks for the money! anyways, you only get to be a villain in chapter 2 and are forced to play hero for the vast majority of the two chapters after ch2 weird run then end up skipping chapter 5 and 6!"
Ralsei inserted himself into the prophecy so toby can sell toys
>>4095971How the hell did you get past the second voice telling you nobody can choose who they are in this world
>>4095978when is toby going to stop being autistic over the lightners and start making lightner merch? we already have sans ffs give me the doe plushies
>>4095966The Vagueposting Man, trapped in a middle chapter.
>>4095979that gets subverted by ralsei telling you that your choices matter btw
>>4095979Used voiceskip to clip through the lore
>>4095978remember when ralsei was always getting mixed up with the flowers?toby didn't
>>4095971Erhm, no?>Your choices don't matter
>>4095977I think the more egregious side is how we do all those horrible things then go on to play the Tenna boards and Jackenstein as if nothing happened.
>>4095970We have proof that when that hint was given to us, it was radically less accurate than what we ended up getting in the final game. The beta designs are basically only a "queen" with the main visual connection being the presence of a dark shape on her face rather than visible eyes. All the ways in which the hint turned out more accurate than that are from Toby swerving out of the way of what he was originally foreshadowing.
>>4095982Ralsei is secretly evil
>>4095982Susie told me my choices don't matter though
>>4095960what was your angle with this?
>>4095989susie is dumb and doesn't know the plot like ralsei
>>4095987It also became less accurate in the sense that Jevil made her sound way creepier than she ended up being, which was in fact the original concept.
>>4095989susie is dumb, doesnt know the plot, and she was just saying that because she was being a bully
>>4095960Another great joke from our beloved dog!
>>4095992Original Queen sounds lame because the Queen we got in an excellent character everyone likes
>>4095984To be fair with the fucker for once, he didn't say it didn't happen himself.
>>4095984It was a reference to him being the narrative parallel to Flowey in this game and reverse undertale theory.
>>4095997Sincere opinion? I love our Queen in isolation because she is really fucking funny and I've learned to enjoy the comedic turn in 2 more over the years, but god damn it the original one was so much closer to what I was expecting after the survey program.
>>4095924He's gay and takes it in the butt.
>>4096000well, Ralsei was really the founder of the Flowery Hate Club which only had Seth as the other member
>>4095990I was listening to UTY music again and decided to tobypost
>>4096011you tobyposted wrongtoby doesn't HAHAHAHA he (laughs)
>>4096001>im gonna make a serious evil king that is a shitty father>jk im gonna subvert the threat thing and ignore the fact that he also threatened to kill his own son's friends in front of him>im gonna make a serious evil spooky-sounding queen>jk get memelord queen>im gonna make an evil CEO tv guy foreshadowed by spamton>jk he is actually good and has bpd>the game is gonna be serious and everybody's gonna be on edge and take this knight threat seriously after chapter 4>jk get meme chapter and susie doesnt give a shit about anything but getting wetstory of deltarune
So I was watching a random theory video in the background when something caught my attention (pic related)Is toby hiding important lore only in the japanese version again?
If /vee/rpg wrote Deltarune, Queen would've been King but woman, Tenna should've been called Mike and is a pink and yellow TV head edgy guy, the church dark world would have a generic priest/bishop bad guy, and the flower shop's antagonist is just Flowey again. Do you ever have good ideas?
>>4096017Damn, better luck next time then
>>4096022>generic priest/bishop bad guydid anyone come up with anything about that? I remember that Priest Goofball concept from tumblr
>>4095966Imagine if he broke the rules in a cool way
>>4096020I mean King himself was pretty ass at being evil cause Lancer himself only got punishments like showering if he swore and not being allowed to eat candy cause it'd rot his teeth
>>4096030>cool is when the rules get broken nonsensically and shit happens for no reasonWhat if the game sucked
>>4096021No, I think that's a mistranslation, it just says the same thing as english
>>4096035Spamton implies a Darkner can leave the Dark World if they have a soulI am positive somehow, someway, Ralsei has the ability to leave
>>4096030but ralsei did do the "hold hands with kris and walk through solid tiles" in that one puzzle
>>4096037Are you implying Ralsei has Kris original soul?
>>4096044No, my belief is Ralsei has Dess' soul
>>4096033well, lancer is a playing card in the light world so him getting soggy would be a big deal, so...plus, doesn't rouxls talk about how he has to feed lancer because his father won't? thus, implying that he either starves or doesn't feed his own son despite it being his duty to do so?>inb4 "but Lancer would be more worried about being starved as a punishment than getting a shower!"he isnt worried because rouxls feeds him behind his father's back lmao
>>4096047That would be weird considering Ralsei wants to suck Kris's dick/vagoo all day, every day.
>>4096050yeah it's groomer dess evidence, it's also the reason why ralsei holds back so much and keeps being pacifistic, he'd rape kris in a heartbeat if he leaned into his ingrained Dess Holiday urges
>>4096049Lancer has food holes, he doesn't need his dads to feed him
>>4096035True, if Ralsei tried showing up the whole scene would just break and reset into the Suselle lake scene because he himself is breaking the rules without a good enough loophole for the prophecy to turn a blind eye to it.
>>4096050Ralsei literally looks like Kris' older brother, Dess having a front row seat to this isn't any weirder than that
>>4096058>Kris' older brotherAsriel is adopted.
Wake me when the newsletter is up. https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn26/
>>4096050UTDR is full of incestuous tones when you go looking for them.
>>4096057people who really think that ralsei forcing the weird route back to the cuck chair scene is cool are 100% cucks themselves
>>4096062I'm not saying it's cool, I'm saying it's the most likely outcome because that's literally what happens when you try to permabreak the prophecy by letting The Cage and The Girl's love interest drown.
>>4096061I don't because I'm not a weirdo.
Hometown is directly over a coal mine that is constantly burning and the town exists to torture Noelle
>>4096063i know, i was just saying since i agreed with your post
>>4096064You don't even have to go look for them since Toby will repeatedly hit you over the head with them.
I wonder what Toby's big brother thinks about his lil bro putting poorly disguised furry incest shit on Deltarune and Undertale.
>>4096067But apparently they're only there if you go looking for them, unlike answers to the game's mysteries.
>>4096064You don't even have to look on purpose. Asriel is quite literally romantically attracted to Chara, his adopted sibling. You don't say "a world without Chara is a world without love" and not mean that in the romantic sense.
considering that kris stops attacking the soul in chapter 4 after you keep trying to get attacked to death out of spite, does kris stop because the soul's pain is getting to them, or because the prophecy is making sure to not let kris fuck the prophecy up by making them get too exhausted to keep slamming the soul?
>>4096068He's probably like>since I'm not a terminally online sex obsessed incel I don't see anything obscene about these games
>>4096056Do Darkners even need food?I mean point is King gets by via looking intimidating and original opportunity the Knight gave him cause he isn't actually evil enough to pussywhip people into shape or actually rule with an iron grip. Only a couple of niggas are in jail for random reasons some of which weren't even him and everyone else just whines about something random he did or don't actually mind whatever he, Rouxls or Lancer put into place.His son is a fuckin goofball and he still told everyone to listen to what he says OR ELSE...
>>4096071>or because the prophecy is making sure to not let kris fuck the prophecy up by making them get too exhausted to keep slamming the soul?This just sounds unnatural really.
>>4096070No, YOU don't because you're a retarded shipfag.
>>4096070>his adopted siblingI'm a incestfag but Chara is canonically Asriel's best friend and that's it. Neither he or his parents refer to Chara as part of their family.
>>4096071Pretty sure it's just because the soul is a tool and he still needs it in working condition. You guys bend over backwards to come up with the wildest theories for the simplest situations.
>>4096068>Ore no Otouto ga Konnani Kawaii Wake ga Nai
>>4095875
>>4096079Japanese version of the MYSTERY NIGGA call in the kitchen outright says Kris needs the soul to enter Dark Worlds, so even if he could somehow live without it, he'd cuck himself out of being able to go into them.
>>4096081>soulelleNot canon according to Toby.
>>4096079except that they just start doing some tired motion with the hockey stick and let you freely float towards the guitar anyways except if you do they go back to jumping you in order to prevent you from seeing the code, meaning that this could be the prophecy preventing them from fucking up the prophecy?
The game would be vastly improved with a Susie mode where she leaves the team behind and you play as her and Lancer and seal dark fountains by gathering large amounts of junk to cover the hole in each world. In one of them after the final boss there's a small hole in their pile and Kris and Ralsei show up so she throws Ralsei on the hole and leaves, not realizing that Kris has been actually sealing each fountain every time after she's gone.
>>4095882This is probably my favorite Deltarune image ever and it's a Polnareff trace.
>>4096082i still think mystery nigga in the kitchen is just one of the gay knights that talks in elipses constantly. the lizard one iirc
>>4096083Toby also invited you to come behind the curtain with him and make your own version of already-told stories. So even if it's not canon, you can make it be real in your own story.
>>4096083I'm not too concerned with what's canon.
>>4096049bro they live in a classroom where tf are they gonna get ACTUAL water from
>>4096084Or he just gets winded, sees you're fine, then goes back to trying to stop you again.
>>4096090lancer mentioned showers a lot, and besides, its the unused classroom, there could be a leak from some pipe or something
>>4096086It's funny how no one waifus Toriel anymore>>4096090From the corner where Susie does her business because she lives in a fucking closet
>>4096094>It's funny how no one waifus Toriel anymoreI do.
>>4096094no one waifus toriel because people pop in repeating the same shit about muh "toriel is a shitty mother" and muh "my parents were drunk and abusive so im gonna project my issues onto toriel" so no one says shit to avoid that drama
Holy sh*t...
>>4096100?
>>4096093nah bro Card Kingdom would've had way bigger issues if there was a leak in the classroom
well, let's hope it's something...
>>4096100??
>>4096104something about that 2nd 1 looks weird
>>4096102Toby might be connecting DR to one of the games he ripped off
>>4096104If there's more yurislop (any kind, not just suselle) Toby's reactionary war path against the "chuds" will be confirmed.That is all.
>>4096106It's a clone of the first 1.
>>4096108Renounce your heterosexuality and praise Suselle for being canon.
>>4096064You are posting here, you already are.
>>4096107Anon, it's literally the other way around. Piratefag wasn't subtle about wanting his own Undertale clone.
>>4096106it's the slight curve of the tv screen
>>4096108there wasnt any new yurislop in the 10th anniversary stream, calm down
>>4096070You don't need to go that far, there's already an incest joke in Undertale with Doggo and Doggaressa
>>4096083canon stopped mattering after the vagueposting
>>4096114not new, but he did elaborate on how he viewed it when comparing alphyne to suselle
>>4096104where the fuck did you get that from
>>4096116That one is outdated
>>4096119just updated the avatar on the official twitter account
>>4096108There was yuri and gay shit in Toby's games before he even became popular, anon.
>>4096104Anniversasy
>>4096104>more spelling mistakesmillionaire's budget btw, with a team and everything
>>4096128domt be sch a sassi popoo
>>4096112Tony stealed from Thor.
>>4096128Tamk a chlli pil
>>4096128https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiL2AjOtjZI
>>4095875punkitt is funny but too prone to "character is TRANS???" readings. the danger of I'M TRANS being part of your personality
>>4096128i think toby became an ESL after larping around japanese people for long enough, which made him start adding a gorillion spelling mistakes
>>4096128>>4096135He's clearly taking the piss out of the typos from the ARG again.
>>4096136or just the joke typos in general"librarby"
sjelter?
>>4096134I have anti-I'M TRANS fatigue.
>>4096142I have anti-anti-I'M TRANS fatigue.
>>4096136>Ralsei is literally actually Asriel but Toby misspelled his name as a joke
>>4096142i don't even give a shit about the trans part it just gets tiresome when specific people headcanon any character with mental problems or trauma as trans when it wouldn't serve any narrative or thematic purpose
>>4096140dield?
librarby
>>4096149You can't just say "librarby"
>>4096104The letter R was kicked out for a letter SThis represents how Susie will kick Ralsei out of the party
>>4096104HOLY [Cungadeiro]!!!!!!!CHAPTER 2PAMTON'S [5nd Anniversasy] COMING IN [1:30 Easter Lightner Time] HOURS!!!!!!
Picking my nose so Susie can eat what I pull out
>>4096155Spamton will NEVER be relevant again
>>4096162But he's still relevant. He keeps being proven right and accurate every single chapter.
>>4096162>* Spamton begs the audience to stop taking the furniture out of his room.
>>4096106>>4096109he's gonna tease chapter 1 side B
>>4096166>guy guys there will TOTALLY be a chapter 1 weird route!!!>it will happen just WAIT more!!!!!!!!
>>4096165>There is no audience...because they just left with all his furniture.
>no newsletter yetI'm scared
>Roaring Knight removes his helmet>"WHAT? Being a secret boss AND an idol isn't enough to pay the bills anymore!"
>>4096166has he ever acknowledged snowgrave stuff outside of the arg and patch notes?
>>4096172the WAITING never ends, luvhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieS0a41QmaY
>>4096166>What if the game was fucking cool?
>still denying Noelle Game+ in 2026>b-but muh mantlelol!
>>4096178noelle will definitely freeze the forgotten target mechanic herself!
>what if the game suckedVS>what if the game suddenly became good
>>4096182>>what if the game suddenly became goodso you're telling me chapter 6 will have another original funny schizo who will pull a sixth shadow crystal out of his ass?
>>4096178This is the only good Noelle pic in subspace
>>4096176
>>4096182The unstoppable copium versus the immovable pessimism
>>4096190FUCK YOU PIPPINS AND FUCK YOU TOBY I SHED A TEAR FOR HIM
https://poal.me/1i7pn
>>4096197whats the context
>>4096182So you can get the shelter codes yourself and the vagueposting ends?
>>4096178Why is Noelle still not an available party member in ch1 yet? Two of my friends managed to make that possible already.
>>4096198
>>4096202No one wants her except Berdly and Susie, two people with provably and notoriously shit taste
>>4096205I want Noelle my track star gamer girl gf
>>4096207She can't run from her sins
Something I realized while playing just nowIf the game were to become widescreen at some point (which does happen in Skies Forever Blue), then there would be room for four party membersHonestly I could definitely see this happening, where Ralsei goes to leave once Noelle joins and then Susie breaks the rules and lets everyone be in the party together
>>4096209>what if the game was actually awesomeI dunno anon
>>4096209An anon made a mockup for a system with 5 party members that still fit in the current screen size
>>4096209The game is called DELTARUNE, anon. The delta symbol is triangle-shaped, aka three-sided, aka three heroes.
>>4096215Yes that is definitely the rule, to only have 3 peopleBut the rules are just a suggestion
>>4096209>Susie making the thing that should have been in the game since ch2 for the sake of suselle shitFuck that
Everybody likes le funny tail maymay but nobody considers the consequences
>>4096216i dunno man, lil Raly doesn't feel the same
>>4096223maybe that's why he'll leave the party
>>4096219what consequences?
>>4096224That's ridiculous, ralseis supposed to be one of the heroes
>>4096226
>>4096229Yeah, but Dragon Blazers says the Mage who casts Fireshock leaves before the Ice Palace boss. And Dragon Blazers is based on Lord of the Hammer, which is based on the prophecy, so there's a possibility that it may correlate to an upcoming event with Ralsei.It might not even be a problem anyway, because the Ice Palace boss reflects fire magic.
>>4096232It's probably all just a coincidence.
>>4096223You don't think Susie would insist?None of her friends get to leave her.None of them.
>>4096236I left her. I'm not her friend anymore.
>>4096231uh, okay?>>4096229susie and ralsei can leave the party at times and things will still be alright through
>>4096237She doesn't even know you exist because Kris is a cunt who won't let you socialize as yourself, so you were never her friend to begin with.
>>4096209what if susie isnt the one to do it, but she's so nasty about the idea of one of her friends leaving that ralsei is the one to force widescreen just to get her to calm down.
>>4096240Nice game. Nice developer. A heartfelt tale of humor and friendship, that right?
>>4096248For the characters, yes. It never said it was a heartfelt tale of humor and friendship for you, because the game itself literally told you no one chooses who they are in this world, and that your choices don't matter.
>>4096248You love Deltarune and Toby Fox.
>>4096252I want him deported.
>>4096237bro it doesn't matter how we feel Kris calls the shots
>>4096256You want him imported into your bedroom so you can write Suselle fics together
toby "there is something more important than reaching the end *makes everything except the end irrelevant and a stalling waste of time*" cox
>>4096257Until i torch the cartridge
>>4096285Perhaps the thing you've dubbed time wasting is still the point after all.>but I hate these characters and this world I only want to save them because it's The ObjectiveThat is a mental illness, and one of the few viewpoints Undertale was also clearly and firmly against besides.
>>4096290>and one of the few viewpoints Undertale was also clearly and firmly against besides.No, Undertale wanted me to save the world too, because its characters kept nudging me towards the wholesome chungus way and complaining every time I killed someone or wasn't wholesome enough, like the fact I forgot to let the disgusting lesbians have their faggot romance which locked me out of True Lab.
>>4096178GET USED UP GET USED UP GET USED UP
Sorry to keep you waiting! Remember to be careful not to turn off CoLs in the config menu.
>>4096293Undertale wanted you to do whatever you found fun. It just thought you were fucking dumb if you got the game expecting to hate the thing it put forward most in marketing: the funny characters you can make friends with.
>>4096299It's not fun being demonized for defending myself against someone who literally wanted to kill me.
>>4096301It is because it's funny to watch people seethe when the game says "killing bad" and people like you are like "I feelcalled out"
>>4096301Only happens on your second replay plus, so only if you still go around "defending yourself" with lethal force after learning that saving and loading is canonical and thus you never experience mortal danger.
>>4096303>>4096304Don't have a fight button if you punish me for using it.Makes Asgore's fight more impactful, because now you're truly against an enemy you cannot spare, and the button appears for the very first time.
>>4096298The only thing Twitter has over this place is that i can't mute CoL.
>>4096215every triangle can fit at least four more triangles inside
>>4096290but all toby cares about is the objective we just don't know what it is yet thanks to the vagueposting
>>4096306"You" aren't "punished" for "using the fight button". The characters are upset when you kill their friends, and get more upset when you indicate that it was purely a choice by doing so after it's clearly no longer a matter of self defense.
>>4096306You should be punished for every but EXCEPT Spare. Like if you use an item, it gives it to the enemy instead because that's just how nice the main character is.
>>4096311Why's that? Why would he have given you the entire game up until now if it's literally all distractions? 100 fucking percent of the information and plot we have now is irrelevant? Hyperbolic nonsense is not an argument.
>>4096315if he truly cared, he wouldn't have regulated so much to the team and spend more time fucking around with niche nip artists than working on his so called 'dream game'he made a couple 5 second motifs and gave them to other artists to make a song out of, sometimes rehashing songs he made for other projects with a deltarune coat of paint, like 'from now on', which is just 'village clash' from little town herohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZREsjB5xoAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobVFldn6Asthe last time he actually worked on the game was with ch2, he said so himself
>>4096318>yes, 100% of the game since my favorite chapter has actually been completely worthless filler>yes, I can JUST TELL what the real Deltarune was supposed to beFaggot.
>>4096319my favourite chapter is 4, actually even with the reheated lth song
Eleven hours or Eleven years Undertale will be waiting.
>>4096298you guys are still obsessing over a random ass twitter fag that has shit opinions?
>>4096323I thought he was from YouTube.
Love how everyone makes fun of "of are what we eated" but no one can say what it should of had sayed instead
>>4096324who cares where he's from.stop acting like /vg/ freaks.
>>4096318He stopped working on the game so you could blame other devs for your problems instead
>>4096327Fave wouldn't say this
>>4096328well, i personally blame kodaka for retroactively making danganronpa shit with the 3 anime, and uchikoshi for convincing him to do it with zero time dilemma at least those have the decency to be so shit they loop around into being good though
>>4096330Fave would say this and she would tell CoL to kill himself.
>>4095674You're joking, but it's a real thing in some mammals, see embryonic diapause and superfoetation.
>>4096323>you guys are still obsessing over 1 in 8 posts in the fucking threadyeah
>>4096334The other 7 are you guys responding to her which is why she keeps posting
>>4096334maybe if you stopped giving him attention he'd go somewhere else.but no, you just CANT do that, can you?thanks for keeping a schizo contained, i suppose.
>>4096335I never thought CoL could be a woman.
>>4096314Susie and Ralsei will make you do this in Chapter 6 btw, they'll even cast Rude Buster and Fireshock on your team so help the enemy kill you better with unavoidable damage
>>4096335>>4096336I don't if I can help it. Saying to ignore it is a little pointless when it's literally 75% of the thread, though
>>4096339I thought it was 1/8, stop the fucking count
>>4096339from 1/8 to 1/4 in six minutes?damn, your boogieman must be really bad, thanks for keeping him contained here by giving him nonstop attention!
>>4096341the people replying were mentioned, so I counted that. No need for autism
>>4096318Okay this is getting ridiculous now, what do you mean Toby Fox is ripping off Toby Fox's music
>>4096345Toby Fox (past) is pure and innocent and would never trick me like Toby Fox (present) that fucking hack that I hateToby Fox (present) had better think twice before stealing from Toby Fox (past)
>>4096346Well Toby Fox (Past) did also steal Megalovania from Toby Fox (Primeval) so he's not truly innocent here either
Toby Fox (Early), Toby Fox (Mid), Toby Fox (End)
>>4094758Um, Redditapyrus-bros, our response?
>>4096349Just like Goku, Toby (Mid) is the best one.
>>4094765it all lines up, literally everything. holy fuck.
Toby Generations
The Tobylithic Era
>>4094765Well that was a waste of my fucking time, that theory must've come straight out of /x/I'm surprised he didn't go on to say how Deltarune is predictive programming for the end of times
where's that DAMN newsletter?
>>4096351anon, Toby (Mid) falls within the chapter 3-5 era stuff, Toby (Early) made Chapter 1 and 2, the good shit
>>4096306>because now you're truly against an enemy you cannot spare, and the button appears for the very first time.were you playing the undertale christian mod or something? you could always use FIGHT at any time
>>4096385In hell where it belongs.
>>4096392It's a hypothetical where you can't use the fight button period because he's crying about the game getting mad at him for killing people and if he's being "punished" for fighting, then there shouldn't be a button at all.
>>4096303>when the game says "killing bad"and yet this principle never applies to the other characters somehow>Chaos King sends multiple niggers to kill you>Queen sends possessed npcs to kill you then sends her butlers to kill you for escaping then proceeds to try to kill you once they fail>at least Tenna is blameless in the murder attempts since the fuckers only try to kill you once you're outside the miniboards, still doesnt excuse Tenna essentially kidnapping you then trying to beat you up once you get to toriel>knight is a super dickhead>titan is titan>Flowery is happily willing to save you from death, but then leaves you to bleed out on the side of the street after you refuse to let him push kris' dad into super escapism kool-aid plus he decides that it's better to throw you into jail and force you to eat moss forever than to actually give you a less shitty way out (at least you could infer that King would've wanted to go down and execute the lightners himself eventually), also his asshole flower friends have no moral qualms about beating you to death, not even Blue or Green.and considering that all you can do is way nicer than them killing you and dooming the world (beating someone's ass as they try to kill you is basically justified retaliation, i'm sure any judge would take the self-defense side any day.)
>>4096385LATER bro...
>>4096395wouldn't he be angrier if there was no fight button at all?
>>4096285the answer is that doing the twisted sword route is more important than reaching the end
>>4096401There's no Twisted Route you dummy.
>>4096401Try and keep up mate, Twisted Route doesn't exist anymore, all schizo chips are on New Game+ with True Side-B that starts in Chapter 1.
>>4096407There's no New Game plus you dummy.
>>4096410I know, that's why I said "schizo chips". I wouldn't call it schizo if I sincerely believed it was happening.
>>4096406>>4096407noo i want to get the op villain side route now waa
>>4096398It's already 5 pm in Japan...
>>4096410why has the death animation been in the game since chapter 1 despite only being able to see it without glitches in chapter 4 (and only in one encounter)?
>>4096407Twisted Route and New Game+ are real
I hope you are all ready for pacifist to give you the worst ending possible since it feeds into Susie's escapism by giving her a fully fleshed out castle town
>>4096341>1/4>75%Somebody do this dinosaur's homework for her.
>>4096422>implying All Recruits won't be the only way to stand a chance against Susie when she invariably turncoats because she doesn't want to seal Castle Town by way of LOSTing all of your recruits to get stronger
>>4096422i hope that susie snaps and starts [GETTING STRONGER] off of castle town's recruits in an attempt to prevent you from closing castle town to force the fandom to accept that she's just not a good person and has been putting up a front the entire time.
>>4096422I can't wait to kill her.
He uses the goddamn face sprites from his fight in UndertaleI don't know how anyone can defend not getting a real Asgore fight, that would've been so awesome.Seriously I remember playing this and being so excited for what was to come and it goes NOWHEREThere's subversion, and then there's plain dropping the ball>But during the Hometown massacre we'll fight him!Yeah, as the lame old Vessel, without any of the tragedy involved with a fight between father and childI really hope the Hometown Massacre happens through the TwistedSword so that we puppet Kris' body to go fight her dad
>>4096427Nah, Susie wouldn't do that to the Darkners. They're loyal, they'd never betray her, they always do what she wants, they now exist primarily to please her, and their flaws can be quickly sanded away with a quirky conversation or mini-adventure that requires no real nuance or effort, or they can just be tossed in the dungeon with King so she can fuck with them from time to time.Darkners are everything that Lightners aren't, because real life is messy, complicated, and some things can't ever be fixed, no matter how patient you are for those people or situations to get better.
>>4096429>implying asgore would fight his son when the whole point is keeping him out of dark worlds to keep him safe>implying kris wouldnt just abandon the conspiracy if he had to fight his dad.
>>4096174ARG participants got a hidden link in the newsletter to https://deltarune.com/chapter5/ page, which in turn links to https://deltarune.com/7b/ . I presume that page updates together with the Deltarune (not Undertale) newsletter.
>>4096432>Asgore finds out Kris is the culprit>Asgore reluctantly plans to reveal Kris' treachery so she can face justice>Has a one-on-one fight with Kris so Susie doesn't get to know>Asgore holds back>In a parallel to Undertale, Kris slashes the FIGHT button so you can't try to beat up her fatherThey don't have to have a fight to the death, just a showdown
>>4096417Because you're gonna kill darkners in 7B.
>>4096429Asgore would not hold back against the Vessel. He would give it his all to defeat a Beast that wants to cause nothing but pain and suffering to everyone.Meanwhile with Kris he would back (assuming ASGORE would fight his own child in the first place)
>>4096435if kris slashed his own fight button or refused to attack asgore would crumble instantly and you know it.you wouldnt GET a fight because turn 1 wouldnt even finish before the two of them are aching too hard to continue.
>>4096438He could even get ANGRIER at the fact the Vessel, this thing that in his eyes is a demon of darkness, is using a likeness akin to his own child. He'd unironically have every reason to bust out attacks that'd warrant the unused screaming face from the Undertale concept arts.
>>4096431on the contrary susie knows that she can just "get more friends" by opening a dark world, and with how much of a doormat darkners are they wont care about how many she's lost already.she's already treating her first real friend as disposable, sidelining him the second she gets noelle.if it came down to it, ms. "greediest girl alive" would gladly throw all of her current friends away just to keep her dark world fantasy going.she can always get more darkner friends, she cant get castle town back if it has to be closed.
>>4096440Not to mention that in 7B the Vessel appears right after Kris and Noelle go missing so he can definitely connect the strings together and realize you're the reason they went missing.
>>4096444I'll only believe it if she threatens Lancer's own life to try and get Kris to back off in order to full circle her conflict in Chapter 1 as well as the way her and King were meant to parallel each other, except Susie actually has the balls to go through with it.
jesus christ what amount of copium are we on that fags are unironically trying to argue Asgore would be any level of hardcore. This is like imagining someone play through genocide in Undertale and getting mad that Asgore didn't absorb the 6 human souls and go giganigga on you.
>>4096240You can never socialize as "yourself", because Deltarune is not GenAI-capable neural VR game.
>>4096449That was disappointing but Toby also gave us Sans at the same time.Toby already gave us a real NEO fight with Side B Spamton so there's a chance he will also give us a real "Omega" Asgore fight.
>>4095829>>4095882Redditpill me bout chapter 1 dicsussions.It must have been interesting to guess shit with so little to go on.
>>4096453Lightners can't absorb lightner SOULs, silly. Only Darkners can do that.
>>4096453>gave us SansI don't give a shit about sans in the slightest, which is only exascerbated by fans sucking his dick nonstop for the sole reason of being a guy who might have connection to the uboaman.
>>4096449Deltarune has been full of boss fights that satiate fandom desires.Fandom wanted a real Mettaton NEO boss fight, got Spamton NEO.Fandom wanted a real Asriel fight that isn't scripted/a Chara fight, got Knight (lots of Asriel callbacks, emphasis on knife attacks, gimmick related to kneecapping your HP in some way just like fangames)Fandom wanted to fight Gerson, got Gerson.
>>4096455Good thing the Flowers aren't exactly lightners.
>>4096454>Undertale 2>Third Entity theory>Card Kingdom is just Kris and Susie LARPing!
>>4096454Not really everyone thought Kris was gonna be a edgy faggot killing everyone or some shitIn hindsight him acting so edgy in the end is funny, stupid fucking teenager thinking he's tough
>>4096461>be a edgy faggot killing everyone or some shitKris is literally that, tho
>>4096458>"lots of Asriel callbacks">No lightning strikes>No fire attacks>No giga lasersOh, but that one attack has some star shaped bullets so I guess it's full of Asriel references. Right.>"emphasis on knife attacks"Wow, I can't believe Mad Dummy got referenced in my epic Knight fight! >kneecapping your HPBy this metric every enemy is a Chara reference if you wear no armor.Let it go man. The Asgore fight isn't happening.
>>4096460>Undertale 2Still not yet disproven.>Third EntityStill not yet disproven, in fact there's only been increasing evidence of it being true with each chapter because SOUL acts on its own without input from you or Kris, even seems to have a clear agenda for Weird Route given the actions it puppets Kris to take, and most importantly Third Entity is the only way to rationalize Kris's ability to disconnect (You) from the game at the end of Chapter 3, else he's literally retarded for not using this power at all times so he can just live his life and enact his plan without trouble (which he's canonically capable of, because you can start Chapter 7 without prior completion data, implying Kris has gotten by just fine without (You) being in the picture.).>LARPingProven correct by Ralsei's loredump about Dark Worlds.
It's very obvious your peoples 7B predictions is just "what sounds cool" rather than anything that makes sense.No, there isn't going to be a New Game+ where you replay all 7 chapters but with Noelle.No, you aren't going possess the vessel, teleport out of Nowhere and Genocide everyone in Hometown so you're strong enough to rip off the shelter doors with your bare hands.No, Asgore isn't going to absorb the 7 flowers (how does that even work???) and turn into Omega Asgore.
>>4096464>B-BUT KNIGHT DOESN'T DO THIS!!!Just ignore the fullscreen attack that's literally Hyper Goner, bro. Ignore it nice and loud.>lol knives??? mad dummy reference??????Chara is also associated with knives. Did you miss the Real Knife? Or the "Where are the knives." flavor text in Chara Red color?>DURRRRRRRRRRRRRYou fucking know what I meant, pedantic cunt. SWOON is about as gimmickshit as most fangames having Chara's attacks permanently cut off your HP.
>>4096465>Proven correct by Ralsei's loredump about Dark Worlds.Dark Worlds are basically something between a pocket subdimension and VR cyberspace. They are literally experienced with all five senses, and not someone sitting in a classroom, doing D&D session with cards and checker pieces.
>>4096466IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME.IT WOULD BE SO COOL.
>>4096466Yeah, we already saw it in Mantle 3. It'll just be a hallway simulator where Kris walks around alone and depressed, forced to kill Goner Copies of Hometown residents until he's strong enough to break open the path to ERAM's lair, except this time ERAM fights for real and even if you beat it, it just Cutscene-no-Jutsus you, thanks you for being such a gullible idiot, and taints your saves forever.
>>4096465>there's only been increasing evidence of it being true with each chapter because SOUL acts on its own without input from you or KrisThat's not Third Entity theory. Third Entity theory states that there are three characters:1) Pre-possession Kris that Noelle remembers2) Kris possessed by SOUL3) SOULless Kris controlled by third entitySo literally opposite of your theory.
>>4096467>Literally HypergonerThe watercooler is a Hyper Goner reference. Oh but I guess it's not a full screen attack! What an important distsinction that hasn't been done by other secret bosses!>Chara is also associated with knivesThe Knight doesn't use knives in its attacks.>SWOONLiterally not a gimmick. If anything it's removing Deltarune's shitty revival gimmick to turn it into an actual RPG.
>>4096468Yet the stats are all made-up, the food provides no nourishment, and Knight can simply ignore the LARP nature of it all to directly attack someone's Light World self. It's LARPing with special effects and trickery of the mind, where you're actually stronger if you DON'T fall for the fantasy which is why Kris and Ralsei (a Titan, who DOES have the ability to make the power of the dark real) are constantly holding back their powerlevels.
>>4096466I just don't like any cross-save memes like "playing le weird route" forever changes your other saves. That's uncool to me. Makes the weird route less separate, less of a break, less weird.
>>4096475>the stats are all made-upSame is true for cyberspace and dreamspace>the food provides no nourishmentSame is true for cyberspace and dreamspace>and Knight can simply ignore the LARP nature of it all to directly attack someone's Light World selfSame is true for VR (it's literally a plot point in SAO)"Supernatural immersion" is not the same as IRL LARPing.
>>4096474>B-BUT WATERCOOLER!!!!!!!Only one thing ever can reference something? Holy shit, stop the fucking presses!>TH-THOSE ARE SWORDS!!!!!!!!Its blade is known as the Black Knife, according to the Black Shard's description. The prophecy states it makes with Blackened Knife. They're giant knives, but they're knives.>SWOON isn't a gimmick!Oh, cool! Mind pointing me towards any other enemies who can SWOON your party?...No? Only Knight?
>>4096209So the size of the battle HUD is PERFECT to allow for four characters.Horizontally it literally adds up to like 1918/1920 pixelsI actually think it's gonna happen. Next chapter would make the most sense for it too
>>4096477ch6 Aborted Weird Route would Freeze your ch5 aborted wr completion data after Noelle have a fit in Castle Town and kills you. You can't load it, and if you try six more times, it shatters and becomes empty save slot.
>>4096454i wasnt in these threads for those days but i remember that every single fucking fan music track took the bait with CH1's ending and assumed kris was going to go on a murder spree (with you still controlling him, mind you.)the school stabberthe card kingdom slasherthe castle trio topplerthe susie slicerthe parent murdererfuck me they had this kid killing everybody. which is kinda hilarious in hindsight because we know now that he already wants to kill himself because we dared to make noelle stronger. poor kid would not be able to handle killing someone in the light world with his knife. though i guess they were kinda right, just with the wrong mentally unwell teen.i dont remember a single dark world concept from that era that wasnt just an extension of card world thanks to jevil's queen comment. iirc the fandom was split between the sans mania and "KRIS MURDERS EVERYONE!!!" so there wasnt really any room for unique dark world concepts to take hold.im glad that shit stopped with chapter 2. TV world/kris' house concepts, FRIEND/mike schizophrenia, and BIG SHOT remixes were far more entertaining.and thank fucking GOD tenna being a TV head played straight killed furry darkner designs for the most part. that shit was getting annoying too.and the vision crew's a bunch of FAGGOTS for throwing their CH3+4 fangame away because toby beat them to the punch.
>>4096397Because you are held to a higher standard since you know better than these characters
>>4096483The Roaring is literally gonna kill everyone. Instead of a town massacre it's a worldwide genocide, which is even worse.
>>4096483I liked some of their music but yeah vision crew are faggots
>>4096407It'll be Old Game+ as you explore the events of the previous loop
>>4096397It's quite funny that in "A Hat in Time" MC goes on a killing spree across the star system, and yet no one gives a shit about that, everyone befriends MC. Meanwhile antagonist killed a few mobs, and everyone instantly turned against her, even willing to kill themselves just to stop her.
>>4096465>Still not disprovenIt's very obviously disproven since Deltarune has been very hard confirmed to take place before Undertale.>because SOUL acts on its own without input from you or KrisEverything the SOUL does is something you were going to do, or is just done automatically.>even seems to have a clear agenda for Weird RouteThe "clear agenda" for the weird route is your agenda. Why are people acting like the motives for the weird route are still totally unknown?? You can figure that shit out even without having completed the normal route.>and most importantly Third Entity is the only way to rationalize Kris's ability to disconnect (You) from the gameAnd i can't say Gaster, the same person who connects you to the game has the ability to disconnect you? Why not?>else he's literally retarded for not using this power at all timesName one time its confirmed Kris is the one severing the connection. Name one time it has even been confirmed that Kris is aware of the DEVICE.>so he can just live his life and enact his plan without troubleKris literally cannot "enact the plan" without the Soul, which is (You).>which he's canonically capable ofNo??????>because you can start Chapter 7 without prior completion data, implying Kris has gotten by just fine without (You) being in the picture.).????????? What the fuck are you even talking about??? How does this prove that??? Do every time you create a new save without loading completion data the entirety of DELTARUNE plays out but without the Soul???>Proven correct by Ralsei's loredump about Dark Worlds.That's not what he was saying, are you illiterate??
>>4096483>which is kinda hilarious in hindsight because we know now that he already wants to kill himself because we dared to make noelle stronger.He wants to kill himself in general, he feels personally responsible for THAT HORRIBLE DAY and it seems to be his Oersted moment that drove him to cooperate with the literal harbinger of the endtimes. If he had good intentions in mind for doing this, he'd let us know, but he's keeping us in the dark, so whatever methods are going on here they're going to be utterly disastrous.By the end, his hopeful goal is that no one will shed a tear for Kris Dreemurr.
>>4096470Explain what ROOTS means in the third mantle game.
>>4096491>since Deltarune has been very hard confirmed to take place before UndertaleAnon, you are retarded. Deltarune and Undertale are not temporally connected in any way, shape and form. Sans goes from Detalrune to Undertale. Gaster/SOUL/Narrator goes from Undertale to Deltarune. There's no contradiction because timelines are separate.
>>4096429Vibe predictions will always lose.
>>4096449Asgore will find out that Kris STAYED UP LATE and ATE A WHOLE PIE and Asgore will confront Kris with his 100% strength to go SUPER HYPE OMEGA ASGORE AURA on them and try to murder them
>>4096491>very hard confirmedThis is why Toby laughs at you retards.
>>4096458>Fandom wanted to fight Asriel and fucking Gerson of all peopleSince when
>>4096494Did you forget about the punch card already? Retard.
>>4096500>punch cardSans.
>>4096498>This is why Toby (HEADCANON)
>>4096491>Deltarune is a prequel!Yes and no. Gaster invited you to Deltarune because he knows most players want to meet him, and he can use this to his benefit by getting those players to help him create a new future in HIS DELTARUNE.>Everything the SOUL does is something you were going to do, or is just done automatically.I didn't want to disconnect myself from Kris at the end of Chapter 3, I wanted to go in the Shelter with him so I could learn his motives and determine whether or not he's truly irredeemable for cooperating with the Roaring Fucking Knight, bringer of The Roaring, the literal fucking apocalypse.>The "clear agenda" for the weird route is your agenda. Why are people acting like the motives for the weird route are still totally unknown?? You can figure that shit out even without having completed the normal route.Judging by the fact no one's been able to accurately predict which way the Weird Route is going, no, the Weird Route is not the player's agenda. It's the agenda of another entity, and we're helping that entity fulfill it.>And i can't say Gaster, the same person who connects you to the game has the ability to disconnect you? Why not?Why would Gaster get in the way of my mission to help him create a new future? Wouldn't it only benefit me to get to go with Kris down to the shelter and learn of his motives? Doesn't this implicate that Kris is working with Gaster if he was hinging on Gaster pulling the plug so (You) couldn't be privy to his shelter interaction with Knight, which means we're allies with Kris but also enemies for some reason?>Kris literally cannot "enact the plan" without the Soul, which is (You).Yet he enters the shelter without me being there, because I was disconnected from the soul.>Do every time you create a new save without loading completion data the entirety of DELTARUNE plays out but without the Soul???No, I'm saying he does it without you, the player. He still has his SOUL, but it's not being piloted by (You).
>>4096499https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qdf26GpfxTo
>>4096462Kris is literally a hero which is obvious once you look past his edgy behavior. He very clearly cares about everyone and is doing shady bullshit to prevent tragedy.
>>4096499Since they saw he was secretly a total badass in Genocide, he literally says to your face that he survived the war because he relied on meta tricks like staying in his shop so you can't fight and kill him, which also carries massive worldbuilding implications for how diegetic all the mechanics of Undertale are to its world at large, not just the magical anomaly of the underground.
>>4096467>Did you miss the Real Knife? Or the "Where are the knives." flavor text in Chara Red color?Yeah because I'm not a psychopath who kills all the characters.
>>4096505>I know that he wants to cause a thing which will destroy the world, but he CARESOh, fuck off with that. Evil villains also have a loved ones and reasons for their actions, doesn't make them any less evil.
>>4096449it was a simple pattern, one that lasted longer than ch1 and 2 even, with spamton neo weird route being genocide mettaton neo fan service and gerson's fight was fan service for the people dickglazing gerson back in the undertale era, it only made sense that we'd get a super kino asgore fight in chapter 5, althrough most of the predictions were weird route based since no one couldve predicted a boring 30 minutes scene that skips two entire chapters
>>4096479>Only one thing ever can reference something? No you fucking idiot, both attacks are just meant to represent POWER because in both fights the thing you're being told is the thing you're fighting is POWERFUL, and having it visually represented by bullets converging into one point that is swelling with power is just the way Toby decided to present this. I'd concede it being a reference if The Knight became a giant floating head during its final attack, but as it is it's literally just doing an anime powering up gimmick.>Black KnifeFine, I'll concede they're knives if you want to be autistic about terminology, but I was not staring at the blade bullets and thinking it was a fucking Chara reference. Literally nobody was. Kris is a bigger Chara reference than the damn Knight.>...No? Only Knight?RPG Status Effects aren't gimmicks. You don't get poisoned in an RPG and think it's a gimmick. You don't get hit with instant death in Final Fantasy and think it's a gimmick. SWOON is not a gimmick. It's an RPG mechanic. The SOUL modes are gimmicks.I just don't understand how you can look at Spamton and Gerson, two fights with incredibly direct references, then try to lump the Knight in there with all this reaching.
I hope the Side B Soul gets HYPE MOMENTS AND AURA in 7B.
>>4096510Status effects can be a gimmick when only one single enemy employs them, because it makes that enemy unique for having attributes that no other enemy has.No other enemy employs SWOON, so SWOON is a gimmick status.
>>4096506>video game mechanics le real!That's not interesting or good writing, that's basically just a cheap joke.
>>4096505He's such a hero that he doesn't want his party or us to know why he's working with the literal prophesized bringer of the apocalypse, why he's making Dark Fountains, why he's holding back his true power which puts his friends in danger, among many, many other things. So heroic!
>>4096512This would mean nearly every enemy is a gimmick enemy since they have unique ACTs only attributed to them, or bullet mechanics only applicable to them.
>>4096508>he wants to cause a thing which will destroy the worldWe don't know that he's causing the Roaring since he seals every fountain and we don't even know if the Roaring is actually bad.
>>4096513Yet it's treated with seriousness. You can't disprove him by lunging at him and forcing a battle anyway, you LTIERALLY cannot hurt Gerson because he remains in his shop, unable to be touched beyond buying wares and talking with him..
>>4096514>hiding secrets means you're evilSusie is actually retarded and even she has more nuanced thinking
I can't go to hell, I'm all out of vacation days.
>>4096516>We don't know that he's causing the RoaringHis co-conspirator literally spawned a Titan. The world was a single hair away from a total destruction.
>>4096515Yeah? That's kind of the crux of Deltarune's design, considering it's using bullet hell for attacks instead of generic "X used Y!" attacks like in JRPGs.
>>4096517Yes because that's the joke, you can't effect him because video games
>>4096518No amount of "it was for a good reason!" is going to justify working with and assisting the literal harbinger of the apocalypse when it's discovered on unpleasant terms. If he just explained "hey yeah so me and my bud here kinda need to LARP the prophecy, it won't fuck off and will cause problems if worse people try to make it happen, so if you can just play along with us so the apocalypse doesn't actually assrape everyone that'd be very much appreciated, kthnx" then he wouldn't be setting himself up to become the biggest pariah of all time.
>>4096503>I didn't want to disconnect myself from Kris at the end of Chapter 3You're not the one disconnecting. Kris is also not the one disconnecting.>Judging by the fact no one's been able to accurately predict which way the Weird Route is going,Probably because they were missing critical context, something someone who would have played the entire normal route would not have?>Weird Route is not the player's agenda.Why not?>It's the agenda of another entity, and we're helping that entity fulfill it.This.... was already shown from ERAM's interest in the weird route. This isn't contradictory at all.>Why would Gaster get in the way of my mission to help him create a new future? Wouldn't it only benefit me to get to go with Kris down to the shelter and learn of his motives?How does it get in the way? Do you know what "create a new future" even means? What does it mean? Does it relate to you Completing The Mission?>Doesn't this implicate that Kris is working with GasterNo.>if he was hinging on Gaster pulling the plug so (You) couldn't be privy to his shelter interaction with KnightHe could have easily just pulled out his soul after the connection was severed, which would mean he isn't aware of the connection being turned on or off. And even if he was that doesn't mean he'd be aware of Gaster... or that there would be a "third entity"...>Yet he enters the shelter without me being there, because I was disconnected from the soul.He... still needs (You) for his plan.>No, I'm saying he does it without you, the player. He still has his SOUL, but it's not being piloted by (You).How do you even know that the events of Deltarune play out if you skip chapters? The seventh flying ace in castletown seems confused if you don't have any completion data which could mean the generic completion data is just Last Thursday'd into existence.
>>4096520And he gave all he had to stop it. Every problem Kris causes, he fixes to the best of his ability.
>>4096522But it's not a joke in-universe. It's a joke to you, but to him it's literally what allowed him to survive the war.
>>4096522and yet you can affect sans by moving the battle box? what are the rules, dammit!? why can we force an attack midturn but not force a fight?
>>4096523>No amount of "it was for a good reason!" is going to justify working with and assisting the literal harbinger of the apocalypseYes it is. You're forgetting that UT/DR is the most forgiving universe in all of vidya.
>>4096521Not really no, because these "gimmicks" still engage with one mode of operation that you are familiar with. The SOUL modes change how you play entirely, which is what makes them gimmicks alongside the Tenna Minigames, and the occasional minigames inside the ACT system.
>>4096527>>4096528Gerson wasn't worth the trouble.
>>4096528Because against Sans you became determined enough to defeat him (also Chara helped)
Gimmicks are fun.
>>4096529Undertale let you choose whether you forgive Asriel/Flowey or not. But in Deltarune "your choices don't matter", so even if you try to say that you don't forgive him, you will be forced to say it by someone else.
>>4096529Then why didn't Susie forgive Toriel for being a drunkard whore who dances and fucks Sans?Almost like Deltarune is a fundamentally different world where forgiveness does not come so easily, especially when Asgore is still holding a grudge towards the culprit of THAT HORRIBLE DAY many years later, and held onto it so strongly and bitterly that it caused the divorce.
Are we STILL replying to crusader of light??
>>4096534I wasn't talking about the player, I mean how almost every antagonist is forgiven by everyone. Even King would be let out of his freedom cage if he apologized.
>>4096538Nothing else to do until the next newsletter, and even that will only sustain us for a few hours at most, and may possibly accelerate the shitposting and dooming if he phrases it as poorly as the last one.
>>4096538Well yes, because he's been given a name. You've created a culture around pointing out that he's here, and to warn that you must ignore him, only to not ignore him. That's what you do by validating the existence of those you hate by naming them.
>>4096535Susie will come around.
>>4096539>Even King would be let out of his freedom cageKing is known for his lies, so everyone would automatically assume "yet another trick" if he suddenly apologizes.
>>4096543You don't know that. Susie hasn't come around for anyone else in Hometown, if anything she's grown even more closed-off and bullying to the other residents considering she can gleefully traumatize a little bunny kid and can spite Catti by holding hands with Noelle.
>>4096546>You don't know thatMr. Sans said so.
>>4096547Sans also said we'd meet his brother. It's been well over two years since he gave his estimate of "maybe tomorrow, maybe another two years", he's a lying twat.
The misspelling in the 11th anniversary profile picture is connected to ERAM who cannot spell (see Glaceir)
>>4096513>>4096522game mechanics being diegetic can be fun if you understand the balance between "ok, so its a real thing. why?" and "jesus fucking christ i get it, BIDEO GAME IF REAL!"toby actually understands how to strike that balance and use it for tense portions.for example, sans understanding that if his final attack is just infinite, then you'll never get your turn. with you responding by breaking the battle UI so that you can get a hit in on him.or asgore breaking the mercy button so that you cant spare him.or flowey staying out of your way until he can get his hands on the souls, because he knows that anything he does against (you) while you still have the power to save and load is ultimately fruitlessgerson using the shop menu to prevent a fight is part of it, its the craftiest members of the world responding to (you) by using their knowledge of game mechanics.deltarune also does this, but has also touched on the inverse of "but what if we ignored the game's rules?"
>>4096549No, ERAM can spell, it's simply mocking everyone who couldn't spell when they were responding to the ARG.
>>4096551The sjelter of dield and drakks.
>>4096546She's come around for almost everyone besides your cherrypicked examples though
>>4096554>CH-CHERRYPICKING!!!!!!She doesn't care if you grow and change as a person either, she still tells Berdly to fuck off because she still only sees him through her surface-level perspective of "uhhh... he's annoying".
>>4096556He IS annoying.
I suppose we might get a newsletter in 12-16 hours but this doesn't look good.
>>4096558Did Toby himself waddle on-screen and say "Susie's right, he IS annoying. (Laughs)" to confirm that his annoyingness is an objective fact and not just subjective opinion?
is berdly actually annoying through?
>>4096562A little bit.
>>4096560Yes but he only did it in my copy of the game after I gave it to the pope
Asgore said he feared Kris' only friend would be Asriel forever, which means Kris was never friends with Berdly or Catti.
>>4095620This isn't that nonsensical. Since the Phone Guy is talking to a new employee here, he might either not want to tell him about something nasty that happened at Freddy's in the past, or might expect his to already know about it since it must have been on the news.
>>4096566Well yeah, he closed himself off from literally everyone after THAT HORRIBLE DAY except for Asriel, who he couldn't really avoid at the time because they lived in the same house.
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED.OMEGA ASGORE.
>>4096569I don't wanna be a dessgroomfag but shutting down like that sounds like what someone with a broken sense of trust in nearly everyone around them would do
>>4096572From what we know it's less trust issues and more that because he feels so personally responsible for letting it happen, he distanced out of pure guilt.Which you can't really blame the nigga, especially when THAT DAY>permanently mindbroke Noelle into constant fits of dissociation and a memoryholing that deluded herself into thinking Dess can still be found>caused Carol to turn into a total ice cold bitch>caused Asgore to go insane with his obsessive need to solve an unsolvable case, literally getting divorced because he wouldn't just let the cold case go and spend some time with his traumatized kids to help them cope and get through the grief>which caused Toriel to relapse back into her party girl lifestyle, giving no fucks about how that further mentally scars Kris to see his prim and proper mother debase herself so whorishly>completely broke the solidarity between Dreemurrs and Holidays in general
>>4096570Ooooh that aurable hype
>>4096166Too much work, especially with Chapter 1's poor coding.
>>4096178Too much work to add Noelle to all chapters, it's not happening.
What the fuck is Object history and what does that have to do with Noelle knight theory?
>>4096321The best part of anniversaries is the deluge of fanart from nips, so I don't even mind if Toby does nothing.
>>4096458I don't think the Knight fight is a fanservice in any form, the fanservice for a Chara/Human fight will be the inevitable Kris fight with Megalo Strikes Back. You also forgot Pink.
>>4096466The last two things are foreshadowed in Mantle, it's not just because it's cool.
>>4096499There was like one fangame made by nips of a Gerson fight but it really wasn't a popular concept at all.
>>4096542He is the one who gave himself that name.
>>4096591There's not really any fanservice in Pink aside from "return of purple mode".
>>4096566Kris only cares about their onee-chan which is why they threw dirt at Dess.
>>4096598Shouldn't it be Onii-chan?
>>4096597It's a Mew Mew fight but for everyone instead of only Switch users, which was more wanted than a Gerson fight.
>>4096600Recreations of the fight already existed for years before Pink though, so the demand isn't as high as you think.
>>4096599I don't know all the weeb terms desu.
>>4096599>>4096602Onii refers to an older boy, Onee refers to an older girl.
>>4096597It's also the direct return of Madstablook but that's about it
>>4096604>tranny catgirl is more important than finally stopping the cockteasing and giving us papyrus who's been set up for the past eight fucking yearsyeah that sounds about right for modern toby
>>4096605Honestly I'm fine because I don't need DR to ruin Papyrus, the third best UT character.
I kind of wish Pink would turn ugly when she attacks like UT Mewstablook did
>>4096605The fact is, Pink would generate nowhere as much as seethe if she had simply been the jackenstein/Berdly of ch5 instead of THE final shadow crystal boss out of all possibilities.
>>4096608nah I love how they made her thick eyebrows cute this time
https://youtu.be/G6GfcKJd-60?si=ie4RzSAqELeSRZazFlowery when he streams the game
The first ever Undertale fanart.
>>4096613[citation needed]
>>4096104Another stream? Toby it would be really really really really really really really funny if you make Mad Mew drop lore again
>>4096609The amount of unique resources put into Pink's fight couldn't justify her as a mere mini boss or even optional boss unrelated to the game progression. There's the Mikes in 4 but even that for purely optional content with no story repercussions that was kind of a little hard to justify
Why do people ignore that Asgore is nonbinary?
>>4096190CAMON KRIS, SCORE SUM FAKKIN DOES!
>>4096617Nobody cares about Asgore
>>4096615Right here friendo
>>4096617Asgore and his many schizoid personalities.
>>4096616I don't think she is particularly more elaborate than Jack was, plus the purple soul stuff should have belonged to someone else.>the Mikes in 4Not justified at all, specially considering how lacking the church was with bosses.
>>4096617>*They>*THAT KING>*Will do something weird route glass sound
>>4095963It's only for free!
>>4096621Pipis.
>>4096627>*Oh Frisk, that horrible day...
>>4096595And we're just calling him that because he said so? Fantastic work, I feel like I'm in /vg/ all over again
>>4096633No one loves schizos more than schizo haters.
Is it even possible to get rid of this "what could it have been" feeling for the game?
>>4096636Not anymore.
>>4096636No.
>>4096636not after ch5toby is very lucky my special interest is 'games that have more interesting cut/ unused things than what's in the final game'i'm all in on weird route now, temmie will at least try to land this plane
>>4096636Impossible because it has existed since Chapter 1.You have multiple groups of people who have been first exposed to Deltarune at different points in time, and have imprinted their idea of what the game should be whether they're Chapter 1 fags about le mission with black Ralsei, true bully Susie and evil Chaos King, Chapter 2 fags with endless Mike schizoing, every other boss should be Spamton, Berdly and Catti main characters, Firegrave route, post Chapter 3&4 fags with Chapter 5 should be the roaring, Asgore boss fight, possess Noelle WR, Suselle never happened, etc etc. The waiting between chapters has made sure there will always be a demographic of people unsatisfied the game didn't become what they wanted it to be.
>>4096641>black Ralsei>true bully Susie and evil Chaos King>every other boss should be Spamton>Berdly and Catti main characters>Asgore boss fight>Suselle never happened
>>4096633What would you call him, then? He isn't going to go away.
>>4096648Nothing. Literally nothing. Just don't suck his dick by referring to him by his chosen name.
>>4096641And who's at fault for causing this situation?
>>4096454Chapter 1 discussions weren't that interesting.Oddly enough the whole point about Susie flipping too fast was brought up then but it didn't really matter since the game just began. The biggest argument being "Well, surely in future chapters she'll still take time to stop being edgy." Which, I guess she did in chapter 2, but not really.At some point this became someone's schizo obsession.Chess theory pretty much came out immediately with King, Kinght, and the Queen foreshadowing.I remember arguing constantly about whether or not everybody in Hometown hates Kris because every single person reacts to him like "Hey, Kris! We've never talked for years!" But it was kind of wasted effort because Toby has answered all this with "Nobody likes Kris" pretty hard.
Flowers bloom in your ASS
Holy KINO...
>>4096465I used to be a Third Entityfag back in the Chapter 2 days because we didn't know that Kris was a double agent for Team Shelter. I get that you're trying to rationalize the basis for the control the player exerts over Kris through this theory, but I do think a lot of the inconsistencies you point out are just gameplay conveniences, like being able to start at any chapter without needing prior completion data. (Which is a big step down from Undertale and how well it integrated the SAVE/LOAD mechanics into its story, but whatever. At least it makes sense as Deltarune's the first thing Toby came up with.)
>>4096668There's been a lot of good art posted yesterday and today so I don't even mind if Toby does absolutely nothing.
Why is it that Deltarune is designed in a way each chapter is its own game and you can choose to play any chapter without a previous save file? Like, for what purpose. Is it the whole point to establish getting recruits or the scenes you choose don't affect the outcome? It just seems like a strange design choice
>>4096671>Which is a big step down from Undertale and how well it integrated the SAVE/LOAD mechanics into its storyWell yeah, Undertale was a whole story about "what if this videogame-ism was more than just a videogame-ism?" while Deltarune is a narrative wherein the videogame-isms are in-universe tools, facts of life used by the characters to their own ends.
>>4096676Artifact of how the initial release was handled. Toby didn't want people who started with survey_program to be at a disadvantage to those who started with the Steam demo. The survey_program is distinct enough from the rest of Deltarune that it would need the whole "chapter clear data that gets imported to the next chapter" system no matter what and he didn't want to make that a unique experience only held by the very first players.
>>4096679I don't see what's so dreadful about requiring players to play the first 2.5 hours of the game again on steam
>>4096686That doesn't sound too bad. But being able to import your save data from the demo is better.
>>4096676Deltarune is partially designed for social media hype. Part of that is the chapter system and release schedule.
>>4096548he said 'maybe'
>>4096676Gamemaker is rocket science technology so having each chapter being their own game saves development time, also cuz of the demos, or who knows may be lore relevant>>4096686People are laaazy, i saw some people just play ch3 without any save because they didn't had their old savefile in 2 joel almost
>11th anniversary is today.>No event.>No newsletter.>No posts from either Toby's or Undertale's socials.Toby has abandoned us...
>>4096698Last anniversary one came later into the day so there is still some hope yet
>>4096698Toby BETRAYED and TRAPPED his fans in the vague chamber
>>4096698japs are sleeping now, just WAIT a bit more
>>4096549I saw some nip theory about the shelter code uses RSA encryption and anniversasy is somehow a hint to thathttps://x.com/MiDLucky_00a381/status/2099725728233422926
>>4096701I'm TIRED of WAITing! It's MY Deltarune and I want it NOW!
>>4096549Holy shit ERAM genocide route stream takeover
>>4096706what if I gave the big naturals to Eram?
>>4096676To make it so you need to put effort into doing the optional stuff like getting all the recruits. That's what's more important than reaching the end.
>>4096701The anniversary was yesterday for them. It's the 16th for them
HAHAHA imagine the poor fools who stayed up all night waiting for any news!HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4096711I stayed up all night ERPing with femboy mad mew mew
>>4096712>FemboyCringe!
>>4096708Prosneed>>4096711Y-You will see in the Deltarune anniversary!That i have no fucking idea if it's the demo or 3+4 release date
>>4096711It cannot be that serious
>>4096713futafags deserve DEATH>crying as I can't find more male Maddy pics
>>4096719I'm not a futafag I like pussy.
hopes for anniversasy:undertale hard modeDR newsletterscoop of lore fuelexpectations:image related
>>4096722Expeting anything beyond the DR newsletter is retarded
>>4096714>UT demo is may 23 (never once celebrated to my knowledge)>chapters 3 and 4 is june 4>chapter 5 is june 24>UT is september 15>chapter 2 is september 17 (I could swear it was in the 15 too)>chapter 1 is october 31let's try again in 2 days r-right guys?
>>4096721yeah and I like pussycat (male)
>>4096723okay good thing i said hope and not expectations then, anon...
>>4096722>The next newsletter is definitely coming in the Undertale anniversary!
>>4096722Hard Mode ain't happening dudeLet the dream die it's been over
>>4096728Kill yourself Battat.
>>4096722>chapter 6: the graveyard of hopes and dreams
>>4096730Jokes on you, I am already petrified inside.
>>4096729
>>4096722This year's also going to be the 5th anniversary of Chapter 2, so there's bound to be something related to that. The Spamton wank will continue and I love it.
Ohhhhhh THAT 11 AnniversaryTHAT day of the AnniversaryI remember what happened THAT AnniversaryAnons, you remember that 11 AnniversaryLet me tell you about the AnniversaryOhhhhh THAT Anniversary
>>4096732Ramb...
Look, if in likeuh8 hours, we still don't have anything, then you can start complaining and laughing and all that, but until then, hold out just a bit of hope
>>4096711I went to bed because a good sleep schedule beats everything.
>>4096744>what if the sleep schedule was good
>>4096744Can your sleep schedule beat the Knight, no mantle?
>>4096744>* Mike is definitely sleeping!
>>4096744Your sleep has shit pacing and isn't a good follow up to you passing out drunk the previous day
>Don't Forget yet you forgot something, huh tobacco?
>>4096752>male Vessel with female KrisAs it should be.
Genuine question, do you think Deltarune would benefited from having the whole "Kris was groomed by Dess to be the way they are" or something similar?I mean come on, Undertale already had Chara manipulating Asriel doing stuff he doesn't want to, and he even told Frisk at the end of the true pacifist that Chara may not be a good person after allSo the next step of Kris (who is Chara's stand-in at this point) to be one who gets manipulated. The game already had plenty of incestuous overtones (i.e. many gay scenes between Ralsei and Kris despite Ralsei looking like Kris' brother), so I don't understand how implied sexual abuse is any worseI feel like Deltarune is not taking advantages of the T rating it got and still sicking to kiddie outside of the weird route
>>4096755Fuck off.It should use the T rating to have more death and also the type of cruelty King had.
>>4096755>"I really really REALLY like you"You cant look at that and say this wasn't made for kids, unfortunately
>>4096755It could work but it would have to be a differet game, Deltarune is a children's game and it just would not fit.
>>4096755Kris is the Patience Soul not Chara.
>>4096753Sadly the cages in Chapter 5 imply the contrary.
>>4096761>Deltarune is a children's gameI think Queen & Spamton to a extent is the reason why Deltarune has a Teen rating.
>>4096755It could work but not sexually. That's too far for these games but Dess emotionally manipulating and coercing him could happen, especially if she's the Knight and the phone voice.
>>4096758Undertale is rated E and you can massacre the entire underground, meanwhile Deltarune has a higher age rating and you have yet to kill an actual person. Closest thing is Berdly but he's in a coma, and it's really strange how NOBODY gives a shit about him aside from Noelle>>4096761>>4096766Yeah, the abuse story could work, but anything sexual would be too muchMaybe keep it ambiguous and leave it to the fandom to decide how bad the abuse and manipulation between Dess and Kris wasHaving an older rebel girl spend her time and being very close to a younger kid is not a good sign
What if Honetown wasn't retarded?
>>4096768Not to mention that before the Sans battle, he says you "should be burning in hell," and bleeds red when you finally strike him.
>>4096690That's a really good Kris.
>>4096657The fans for convincing themselves their headcanons HAVE TO happen or else it's a betrayal.
Toby's vision was corrupted ever since episode 1. He clearly made King evil just to be different from Undertale. Then retconned it to be Undertale 2 immediately after.
>>4096778>Headcanon is when you expect the game to remain with a specific style it already had
>>4096674>>4096698It's honestly better when he does nothing
>>4096780what was King even doing other than trying to look cool at the top of the castle
>>4096755Kris had a crush on Dess, not the other way around.If Dess was stuck in a timeless nothingness all this time, then Dess at this point is younger than Kris.It's time for Kris to groom Dess
>>4096768We already have Dess showing lewd videos to Kris so I think that's as far as Toby will take it.
>>4096785He was a tyrant like Queen and Tenna. He just didn't hide behind quirkiness and nostalgia like the other two.
>>4096785forced all puzzle makers into army duty and put rouxls in charge of that
>>4096719Just gen with ai
>>4096755No because it would imply neurodivergence and trans identities can only come from unnatural experiences and trauma which is deeply hurtful to the queer community.
>>4096762The people who think Kris is evil either have no media literacy or have only casually played DR and think "edgy and has a knife" means Chara.
>the only motivation the knight can reasonably have is to find Dess>the only identity the knight is can reasonably have is Dess>ergo, the knight's goal is find herselfSomeone please square this circle.
>>4096782It is when>remain with a specific stylejust means whichever parts of the story you hyperfixate on and cherrypick so you can cry when something unique happens instead
>>4096792catbox the full thing
>>4096796Dess went on vacation to find herself because she's an upper class white woman
>>4096792It never worked for me unless it was super generic characters I made up on the spot
>>4096798Bruh just go on r34 and search the character's name and ai_generated. It's futa though, I only saved that as an example because the quality was passable and so people would shit on my post for recommending ai.
>>4096799Her vacation is causing the apocalypse?
>>4096794anon, they asked if the game would benefit from having dess groomer, not if the game would be worse from having it
>>4096795Kris can be Chara and not be evil because Chara wasn't evil either.
>>4096804Are you implying someone is only allowed to reply if they agree? Anyway I thought the image attached would make it obvious I was taking the piss but I forget how lost in the sauce some of you are.
>this is how Toby celebrates the 11th anniversary of UndertaleT-thanks Tobyhttps://x.com/Fangamer/status/2099906842658816430
>>4096734This goes one of two ways>Toby continues using Spamton because even after the rest of the secret bosses happened none of them were considered as good as him and he knows this>Pink vtuber streamIts a 50/50 really
>>4096785Winging it.>Got into power cause of the Knight>Hires the worst fucking puzzle maker in the kingdom>Lets his son fuck about and do whatever>Claims he wants to blanket the world in darkness despite wanting the people who could do that to fuck off completely>Using his son as leverage against the lightners >Using himself as leverage against the lightners???
>>4096806>Chara wasn't evil
>>4096808>ICE E jumpscareAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>4096809>Knight vtuber stream>he just spams his attacks at the game any time he's stuck at a part and it actually effects the game itself
>>4096810You have to remember he was motivated mostly by his grudge against lightnersPeople just over-read that part and assumed he was dark world hitler
>>4096808>Bath mat>Shower curtainToby wants his fanbase to take a fucking shower.
>>4096815His subjects disliked his policies and even his son was unjustly punished
>>4096807no, i was just thinking you misunderstood their question and thought they asked if the game would be worse from it, so i reminded you that you'd probably want to answer yes if so
>>4096762Both can be trueIt's clear the SOUL doesn't belong to Kris, and Kris has many parallels to Chara, like being adopted by the Dreemurrs, using knives, and loving chocolate. Not to mention the single striped shirt.>>4096811Chara is a lot more nuanced character than people think. It's not matter of good or evil bad. Kind of like Spamton
>>4096815hitler also had a few grudges too yknow, why does this make Chaos King any more justified? if he could, he would've killed all lightners in the deltarune world
Wash my scary
>>4096815>You have to remember he was motivated mostly by his grudge against lightnersHonestly people mainly forget about this because they don’t care about the Lightner/Darkner dichotomy at all
I have to wonder what being an actual casual fan of this game is like>wtf this seam is talking about remembering shit? I didn't see no damn clown>wtf why did gerson show up in his zombie armor at the end? did he turn good after getting defeated or something?
>>4096808>Shower curtainTRUE LAB CONFIRMED???
>>4096823Casual fans aren't braindead anon.
>>4096819In what world is Spamton not evil?
>>4096823they most likely die to the titan 50 times then go on to call the titan hard
Kris's original soul was possessed by the player and turned red. AKA, it's us. There can't be another soul around because where would it go?
>>4096819>nuanced characterBeing a sociopath for monsters and psychopath for humans isn't a "nuanced" character, Anon.
>>4096816Heh, he knows us well...
>>4096808>>4096816And they said this was just a joke
>>4096828Locked in Kris' bedside drawer
>>4096808i wish their shipping wasn't so retardedim way overdue for a new shower curtain, but im not paying 35 dollars to ship a 24 dollar sheet of plastic with undertale sprites copy pasted on it
>>4096809>>Pink vtuber streamhe would get a tranny for the voice, wouldn't he?
>>4096831way ahead of you, zenlooker.way ahead of you...
>>4096833>i wish their shipping wasn't so retardedSorry to all the /vrpg/fags reading this
>>4096833Did you try not being a spic?
>>4096826in the world where people don't read the text and forgot that spamton explicitly sold the thornring for evil and only stops you because you're about to seal "his" fountain, so they unironically believe that spamton neo was actually le heckin' hero battling (you) to stop you're genocides, this vibe can be felt on early spamton neo fanmade weird route battle themes too
Toby’s sweet little chocolate decimated a decade’s worth of forced morality wars
>>4096834Two trannies, acualy.
If he likes the Japanese so much, why is he trying to subvert their stuff?
>>4096823ok cmon you have to just not be reading for the SoJ when Ralsei outright tells Susie it's a statue
>>4096843Subversion is the sincerest form of flattery that leftism can pay to greatness.
>>4096826Maybe Spamton wasn't a good example since he assisted you in the weird route and turning Neolle the way she is, and yet in normal route, he's friends with the fun gang despite the fact he attempted to kill themNow that I think about it, doesn't really seem logical. I know Undyne tried to kill you in Undertale, but at least Frisk had a moment to bond with her thanks to Paps>>4096829I mean, wasn't there text Chara was still close to Asgore too? the buttercup flowers incident was definitely accidental, and the whole laugh could be laugh of painHell, Chara was definitely the one who played the flashback in Asriel's fight
>>4096843he likes the japanese and he hates rpgs as a whole, its not a mutually exclusive thing
>>4096846It was a laugh of indifference. It was accidental, but only because she/he didn't care about Asgore enough to poison him.
>>4096846>Your honor my defendant was smiling while he stabbed his father this means he only had good intentions
>>4096843He's improving it.
>>4096709But Castle Town is full of half baked features that fucking suck and I can just watch the other scenes on youtube
>>4096833where do you live?I live in US and the shipping costs from them like ten bucks for me. Even plus tax, it doesn't add up more than 20 bucks to the price
>>4096838i live in amerikkka, their shipping is balls wherever you are.>>4096837audible kek
>>4096843Mother (Japanese game) was just as subversive.
>>4096853america, i tried it again and it came out to ten bux. i think im just retarded lol.
>>4096819>like SpamtonThe guy who assisted you on a massacre against his own kind so he could rule over a dark world?
>>4096847Toby has played more Jrpgs than everyone in this thread
>>4096808Ok nevermind I give up there's not gonna be a newsletter.
>>4096796>>the only motivation the knight can reasonably have is to find DessI don't think that's right.
>>4096840It’s funny how people here like to act like Toby is a neurotic insecure reactionary sperg who is easily yanked by the fanbase reaction but somehow two multi-hour streams of shilling Chara don’t count for [some reason] huh
>>4096843Subversion is not done out of hate. It's done out of having thought about what you're subverting a lot.
>>4096862the charanigger would say this after he sucked off Chara nonstop for the 10th anniversary
>>4096865That's absurd. I'll suck Chara nonstop just to confirm this theory.
>>4096848No it was funny to Chara, everyone forgets the whole accident was caused by chara mixing up "Cups of Butter" with "Buttercups"
>>4096858i've played a lot of rpgs myself, actually.the point is simple, all of toby's rpg projects are about how you're le heckin evil for FIGHTing enemies or for playing the game itself, like earthbound halloween hack
>>4096808He's trying to remind people about the amalgamates before KriselleKnight gets confirmed next chapter
>>4096865I would suck off Chara too so I can please him and see his smile
>>4096869It was intentional mix-up, Chara was already planning to kill himself, it was a poison test on a test subject. There was no malice, only rationality.
i hope we get another stream purely because its the perfect chance for toby to slip up and call one of the humans a boy or girl.we all know that kris is referred to as a guy internally, even fangamer slipped up in the past.all we need is for toby to do it to finally put an end to this nonsense.
>>4096875Nothing will change.
>>4096875>Toby finally admits Kris is a girlB-b-based
>>4096875he already did so, he even did it with napstablook
>>4096808Surprised he acknowledged the true lab this blatantly.
>>4096860Name another motivation.
>>4096875You want another Aqua?
>>4096811She was Toby's sweet little chocolat, honor
>>4096819This fanbase is notoriously autistic and thus can't understand nuance, you can see that with literally every single character discourse.
>>4096871Based. It's the best one.
>>4096796>the only motivation the knight can reasonably have is to find DessBlack Shard found at the crime scene in the day of the Incident makes this unlikely.>but but but that doesn't confirm the Knight was there it's conjecture If it doesn't mean the Knight was there then it doesn't mean anything.
>>4096846>Hell, Chara was definitely the one who played the flashback in Asriel's fightToby saying you save Chara last year does confirm this, yes.
>>4096875Why do you think toby uses a TTS when we have heard his voice multiple times now? It so he can catch himself before any words leave his mouth
>>4096808Damn, I actually want some of that stuff.
>>4096872This but "she" and "her"
>>4096875You're retarded and we had two streams where Toby exclusively used they/them for all of them.
>>4096808
>>4096895>He's drinking onion sanAAAAAAAAAAAAAALEAVE HIM ALONE YOU SICK FUCK
>>4096894femkrisepsteins want the moral victory of knowing kris has a vagina in toby's mind so their cooming feels more pleasurable
>>4096894malekrisfaggots want the moral victory of knowing kris has a penis in toby's mind so their self-inserting feels more pleasurable
>>4096899Selfinserting is what you do every time your inside kris.
>>4096901But I did eat breakfast this morning.
>>4096875He'll just blame it on the voice-to-text again.
>>4096902And it was delicious. Kriselle forever.
>>4096899>so their self-inserting feels more pleasurablemKris simply makes more sense.
>>4096899Malefagger here and I don't care what Toby thinks. He wrote a boy.
>>4096761>children's gameNoelle and Kris literally committed suicide in the WR, how is that family-friendly?
>>4096910>He wrote a boyTrue
Kris being a they/themlet is my ultimate college thesis that self-inserters deliberately pick whatever choice upsets them the most whenever they engage with any story
>>4096912idk ask the esrb, they gave undertale, the game with multiple stated suicides including an on-screen one from Asgore, an E
>>4096899The fact this is the only one that got replies says a lot.
>>4096917E10+, there's a difference.
>>4096910>he wrote a boyWe're not talking about Susie.
>>4096922Kris is a boy who was groomed into being a sissy.Susie is also being groomed, by the Darkners, into being more feminine for Noelle, because she trusts her imaginary friends to know what's best for her.
>>4096865What does this even mean?
>>4096839Yeah, but also Spamton's plan to overthrow Queen and gain access to the Light World through Kris's SOUL failed miserably. He didn't take into account the doe factor.
>>4096924Susie looks and acts like a boy. According to MaleKris logic this means she's male.
>>4096922>We're not talking about SusieNah, she still behaves like a girl.
>>4096928>tomboys don't exist anymoreTroons were a mistake.
nobody would actually call susie a girl if she was they them too
>>4096929Why? Because she uses hairbrushes?
>>4096928>Susie looks a boyNo. Susie looks like a two meter tall lizard monster.>acts like a boyNope. She still acts like a girl. Susie loves to gossip, just like any girl. She’s a tomboy.
>>4096935>Susie loves to gossipSo basically all the people here obsessed with Toby and his dev team
>>4096931Noelle's the real tomboy
>>4096932>nobody would actually call susie a girl if she was they them tooWdym? She clearly has feminine facial features. Her snout is rounded.
>>4096937They're both tomboys. It's the most common dyke pairing.
>>4096933Susie is very emotionally open, is reluctantly into but positive about appearing feminine and vulnerable (dress for the festival, ribbons) and has mommy issues. If Susie was a boy she'd be a gay ass presenting boy even if he was dating Noelle
>>4096937>>4096940Toby can only write two types of women: tomboys and moms.
>>4096915Kris is a they/themmer cuz Ralsei is already the house husband and Susie took up the mantle as woman of the house
>>4096941Replace the dress with a tux and ribbons with a tophat. Would that still be feminine?
>>4096932I think her having long hair might have some people call her that, plus her name. But remove those then yeah, you're right.
>>4096910A boy would not have eyes that pretty.
>>4096945Yes, because she's still prettying herself up for Noelle's sake. A girl wanting to look as appealing as possible for her romantic interest is peak feminine behavior.
>>4096943Why can't Toby write ladies?
>>4096951Because just like all of 4chan, he has no real experience with women.
>>4096953Hey I do have experience with womenAsk your mom
>>4096951ermmm but he can
imagine overdosing on the papyrus perc
>>4096957That looks like a lady to you?
>>4096957My favorite grandma.
>>4096957im sorry anon, ive imagined burying my face in his fat fuzzy ballsack and belly far too many times to ever consider seam anything other than male
>>4096961Her more the old man who hangs out at the corner of the bar
What if you give the fifth shadow crystal to seam and he pretty much just goes "oh thanks"No pure crystal, no real reward, he just talks you up a little and says "You're definitely ready for whatever this journey has left to throw at you"He technically never promised anything he just said the crystals were worthless to us, and we're only assuming the shadow crystals will turn into the pure crystal
>>4096957I don't understand why toby made him a they/them when his name is literally seam and he doesn't act feminine at all.Why bother making non-binary characters when they're just men.
>>4096964What if we killed you.
>>4096964Actually be as mad as the shipfags were over 5.
Susie is inherently a girl which is why her character doesn't work with gender swaps or trans headcanons. She craves feeling loved by her friends, to be vulnerable enough she can enjoy silly girly and childish things like ribbons and tea parties and craves a caring mother figure to teach her feminine sensibilities. But most importantly, she's very emotionally earnest when opening up to her friends in a way a man would've taken years to accomplishBasically, if Susie was a boy you'd get the Chapter 1 Susie through the whole game until the end.
>>4096964>He technically never promised anythingThe Pure Crystal is pure assumption, but he did give us incentive to give him the crystals nonetheless, and specifically says "we" because he wants to include you in the process.>"I, however, am aware of something interesting we can do with them. Something very, very, interesting.">"No doubt you will find it quite entertaining! Hahaha!!!"
>>4096968>Basically, if Susie was a boy you'd get [actually good character development pacing that doesn't feel jarring as fuck and should've been the first sign Toby is too much of a hack fraud writer to write something longer than Undertale].And this is a bad thing because...?
>>4096964I'd keep posting Battats even harder
The pure crystal is actually the jewel in Toriel's wedding ring, which came from a meteor that landed in hometown's lake that Asgore took a chunk of for it, and was smashed to pieces after the divorce. The ThornRing is just the wedding ring itself, thats why you can fuse them. The whole thing is supposed to be symbolic of forcing two people together no matter how far apart they're supposed to be
>>4096968hey man i can handle 7 chapters of Susie jebaiting with empty threats that lead nowhere
So when are gonna see Kris break his composureMy guess is when he loses his fucking arm. You will never play piano again
>>4096968Huh, so that's why she's a girl, because a boy wouldn't be able to just shift like that Makes sense Was she on her period in chapter 1
>>4096979She already was broken in 5B so I guess next Chapter.
>>4096979It won't be when anything tragic happens to him, he quite literally wants to kill himself so very badly that some of his "broken dreams" are seeing himself not exist, seeing Toriel with a different child, seeing Susie glaring at him, etc.He'll lose his shit when he ISN'T treated like the scum of the earth antichrist and is instead shown forgiveness and understanding.
>>4096975Fuck you Robert, Kris needs a father
>>4096986There are a lot of people who want to be Kris's daddy.
>>4096907>>4096910Which is why Kris being female makes it better.
>>4096979Kris was already broken several times in the weird route. She got angry in chapter 4 and catatonically depressed in chapter 5.
>>4096928>>4096931>>4096932>>4096935>>4096929Susie acts like a guy then suddenly acts like a girl in 2. You want to talk about transitioning, Susie is the real tranny in this game. Even Madstablook still acts like himself despite hijacking an innocent darkner.
>>4096937>>4096940Noelle is openly a girl and secretly a tomboy, Susie is openly a tomboy and secretly a girl. This is what makes them such a perfect pairing.
>>4096995Nah. Susie only started acting like a girl in chapter 5. Before that she was just a jerk with a heart of gold in chapter 1, and a jock with a heart of gold in chapter 2-4.
>>4096979It will never happen. Kris is literally going to kill themselves next chapter with the golden seeds and I'm sure that's also part of a bigger plan. Kris doesn't care. The only way it could happen is if Susie and Ralsei somehow manage to outsmart them and ruin their plans, or at the moment of truth when all is revealed and Kris does their best impression of Light Yagami's evil laugh.
>>4096972It's not a bad thing. This game would've been amazing if Susie was a boy. Notice people only liked her under the pretense there was hope for Krusiefags. Now that's over.
>>4096951Bro, your Ralsei?
>>4096999>Susie finally confronts him and asks why he's working with the knight>He just laughs manically due to the cocktail of fucked emotions to the point it scares Susie and RalseiToo kino
>>4096971>specifically says "we" because he wants to include you in the process.There's nothing in that context that implies us specifically and not just him and Kris
>>4096995>MadstablookShe was histrionic in UT
>>4096999Kris will swallow the seeds and start dying after the chapter's level because some part of his plan was thwarted, since she's too stupid to think of another way Susie will open a dark world right there so the seeds become a flowner that her and Ralsei and Noelle can fight as the final boss, saving Kris from the monster growing from inside his body in the dark world.
>>4097000If Susie was a guy, self inserters would feel even more cucked by normal route.
>>4097000>This game would've been amazing if Susie was a boySuselle is a pretty bad ship, if Susie were a boy, it would be an even harsher case of NTR for Kris.
>>4097007So the game will end with a pro-abortion message?
>>4097007how are they gonna kill the seeds darkner bro? are they gonna get inside kris' stomach somehow? is ralsei gonna shove a lighter up kris' ass? your deltarune idea is unfounded
>>4096979>So when are gonna see Kris break his composureWe’ve already seen this. Kris got extremely angry when he couldn't protect Noelle.
>>4097010Yes the same way 5 was anti-trans and redpilled about blacks stealing as well as implying lesbian relationships are forced. DR is not exactly subtle with being a chud game.
>>4096999>>4097003Yep, Kris is nervously going to laugh like a sperg at some point like Chara did.
>>4096959100% would not look like that in real life
>>4097004It's a battle between Kris and Seam, that battle will purify it.
>>4097008>MUH self insertersYou're acting as if Kris has no feelings for Noelle.
>>4097011I just said, they grow out of Kris. How does it work? Same way as everything else, it just does. The worldbuilding in UTDR isn't exactly complex or fleshed out beyond how its elements relate to each other.>monsters exist and are magic because....moving on>there are some monsters that are the boss of everyone else and they're called.....boss monsters>boss monsters can't age until they have a kid because.......this twist is more tragic that way>monster greetings are like death bullets aimed at your soul because...the gameplay has to happen but I can't have monsters be evil for attacking you>it's sunny and snows underground.....don't think about it>sans will ONLY take action after you've murdered literally everyone including his brother because......you can't have a final boss a third of the way through the game
>>4097012kris was sexually frustrated here they just needed an outlet and the soul was there
>>4097012This scene lost it's edge when Kris throws SOUL in the trash in ch5 normal route.
>>4097020Kris and Noelle have feelings for each other but they both also have feelings for Susie.
>>4097015And he's absolutely going to make it sound like the Kefka laugh and everyone will clap
>>4097021>>>monster greetings are like death bullets aimed at your soul because...the gameplay has to happen but I can't have monsters be evil for attacking youThis was disproved by interaction between Napstablook & Mad Dummy. While it's true that Napstablook's tears are not an intentional attack, they hurt EVERYONE, both humans and monsters (Frisk and Mad Dummy). So they CAN'T be "greetings", unless everyone is suicidally masochistic.
>>4097015Kris already smiled in ch1 ending
>>4097026actually scratch that, you know how Toby used his connections with GameFreak so he could actually use the guitar from Pokemon BW in Flower Man?What do you think the purpose of the Final Fantasy collab will be?
>>4097026Imagine if Kris laugh sounds like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbiX4xNoBY
>>4097031>What do you think the purpose of the Final Fantasy collab will be?Final Fantasy styled battles in the hometown genocide sequence
>>4097031Get the DMC guy to do a 3D character action game mode, just like what Final Fantasy is known for!
>>4096964I would actually become a battatfag
>>4095595she ran out of the summoning in the middle of it leaving kris alone because she got scared. she tells you this in chapter 5.
>>4097028Yes, but he hasn't laughed yet.
>>4097037This, she abandoned him and never helps in any way so that's why she doesn't deserve to be part of the gang.
>>4097037I think Kris not knowing magic is a complete lie, he's in fact the only person in Hometown who can cast magic and is just pretending
>>4096964the pure crystal coded description is that it was purified by the cat
>>4097004Kris can't be there without (You) unless the mystery nigger colluding with Kris so he could enter the shelter at the end of Chapter 3 without (You) being privy to his meeting with Knight suddenly decides to disconnect you again.
Is there a single girl in this story that ISN'T a lesbian?
>>4097040Humans can't use magic.
>>4097041Yeah.Doesnt mean he's actually going to give it to you does it?
>>4097027Maddie isn't actually getting hurt though, or Undyne would be crying that you allowed her precious training dummy to get in harm's way while ignoring that Napstablook was the instigator.
>>4097046The sealing never happened in DR so Humanity logically still has magic
>>4097049You can literally hurt sounds and see it being hurt
>>4097043Yeah, Kris. She likes Berdly, a true gamer.
>>4097046Why, because that's what the game told you?
>>4097048well, it's the coded description it has when you look at it in your key items so yes, he's gonna give it to us
>>4097051*hearAlso damage is done on spirit, not on physical matter. Dummy being damaged would do jack shit to the ghost.
>>4097054Yeah because every item in the code is obtainable through normal means, the Java Cookie was one of the best items against the alley fight with Spamton remember?
Most of your theories fall apart when you realize Kris has spoken in every chapter and there's literally no reason the soul shouldn't have been able to hear him yet when Kris finally openly speaks in some later chapter it will be treated like some big deal, but really it's completely arbitrary that we haven't heard anything he's said no matter how you cope it.
>>4097041Purified by PinkAlso might be "original timeline" shenanigans like GildedRose.
>>4097052Berdly is gay coded, notice how the only females he likes are tomboy ls and he likes Kris who is a canon male.
>Gilded rose>"Original timeline"I don't have the heart to tell him.
>>4097057It's MOTHER logic, you can't see what your player character is saying so until you're disconnected from the soul and given a new one, you will never see Kris's dialogue.
>>4097056point is, you hack it into the game, the description says that, why the fuck would toby code it into the game and not plan to give it to you?
>>4097040ACTs are magic, Kris just doesn't know that yet. You literally can shoot red hearts out of your fingers to make your opponent naked, how the hell is that not magic?
>>4097060Berdly is explicitly stated to only be interested in gamer girls.
>>4097060>who is a canon male.Explain this then
>>4097062>it's completely arbitrary and only exists to be revealed laterI know.
>>4097057this:>>4097062We won't hear Kris speak until we get the vessel back.
>>4097061I mean the LORE of original timeline, not NG+.
>>4097065Obviously he's in the closet about it
>>4097069The Gilded Rose is very likely an item you're gonna get in Chapter 6. How? Unclear, probably by aborting the Weird Route.
>>4097063ask the Trefoil
>>4097057It's a big deal because Ralsei is DEVICE. DEVICE controls what we can hear (see). Us seeing Kris dialogue would be a wow moment because it would reveal Ralsei's power.
>>4097072Debug item
>>4097072doesnt noelle explicitly say something about the trefoil being unused if you try to equip it to her? i think that one's just fully scrapped (unless toby secretly plans to add it in chapter 7B)
>>4097066>Amazing artist>Also a Kris-Berdly fanEndless Torment.
>>4096999Kris will get Door-kun'd But probably not for a noble cause lemao
>>4097071>probably by aborting the Weird Route.I think the same. Noelle's quote is strange if she doesn't know about the Thorn Ring:>'Wow! Something I actually want to wear?'
>>4097043Toriel.
>>4097080i think its just sarcasm since her reactions to most stuff is her being weirded out, she liked the weird run so why wouldnt she want the thornring
>>4097081We don't know that yet. She divorced Asgore and she told me Sans is just a friend.
>>4097078Mindbroken by big titty edits, too.
>>4097043alphys, she's bi
>>4097084Lucky bird...
>>4096999I hate Death Note. It is one of the worst things I have ever seen, and I hated it even when I was a kid.
>>4097057UMM ASCKSUALLYNoelle says that after a long time, she finally heard Kris real voice in ch4 wr, this could mean that even if Kris was speaking before, Noelle never recognized it beforeKris voice reveal being a surprise is still possible
>>4097089I'm sorry to hear that, soulless no-fun anon
>>4097089>how dare a story have characters try to out-think one another rather than engaging in a noble direct duel to the death
>>4097091It wasn't fun to watch
>>4097089>>4097091first half was good, the execution of the ending sucked
>>4097084kwab
>>4097095Nah, it was great. Half of it, I guess. It went to shit after L died.
>>4097094More like Light just getting away with everything while I can't say anything and it makes all the other characters look like idiots when people get so close to dealing with him over and over and over again
>>4097090What's the difference between "deadpan, mumbly voice" and "speaker voice"? Both sounds robotic.
>>4097101One of them she can hear even when Kris is DOWNed and not opening his mouth, the other is just his normal voice
>>4097101for the former, imagine an autistic person mumbling, for the latter, imagine someone speaking through a mic
>>4097102No, she differentiates between Weird Voice and Speaker Voice.
>>4097057>>4097090kris has to abuse game mechanics to make sure we never see him speak.if we ever see him speak it'd be a moment where he has stopped caring about how much of an intrusion (you) are and is ready to to do whatever it takes to get what he really wants.
>>4097105>Video game character abusing game mechanics as if they know all about that just to spite youAre you drunk?
>>4097106
>>4097106That anon is becoming a goner, first symptoms is the talk and
>>4097090>it's completely arbitraryYes, and?
>>4097089>>4097094DR is like Death Note but instead it's L and Light completely silent because you're not allowed to know what they're thinking, then suddenly Light eats a chip for no reason.
>>4097111So equally shit. Death note should have been about L instead
>>4097106first, yes. kris is a knower about the way the world works. this has been obvious since chapter 2.he knows that if (you) are inside of him then you cant hear his true words.second,>just to spite youits not to spite you, its because he's a teenager thats not comfortable with an elder god using him as a host to interact with the world despite the fact that he'll literally die otherwise.you cant blame the kid for being reluctant to let us know about every detail of his life.
>>4097106Bro, Kris knows about save points, HP, and all that. He knows about the game mechanics.
>>4097062That sucked so much in Mother 3 but damn I could see Toby going for that just because Mother did it
>>4097115That's stupid. How does he live his life if he knows about all of that.
>>4097043TorielCarolQueenAlphysMs. CattenheimerDessCatty/BrattyMad DummyThat one bunny whose has that kid Susie keeps scaring the fuck out of2/3 of CloverElninaMizzlesDogaressa
>>4097114I'm not comfortable to seeing a game I like turn into death note right before my eyes
>>4097118How do you live your life knowing particle physics are a thing? It doesn't have to affect your day to day existence.
>>4097122I'm not using particle physics to manipulate everyone around me and cause the end if the world when I was tasked to stop the end of the world.
>>4097120>how dare characters try to outthink one another instead of nobly and straightforwardly dueling to the death
>>4097120>turn intointeraction with game mechanics has been a thing since the fucking ruins, anon. with flowey taunting you about reloading the save to spare toriel.
>>4097123You asked how he lived his life with the knowledge of the game mechanics. I told you they don't affect his everyday life. Now you're complaining about the fact that he's making use of them in what ISN'T his everyday life.His "task" isn't important to him and he isn't trying to end the world. This "ooooh never open a fountain or you're risking it!!!" position is nonsense. The knight isn't trying to cause the roaring nor is Kris.
>>4097023Eh, he didn't beat us up in ch5. I think the edge comes from the fact that he's deliberately harming himself too while kicking us.
>>4097126>reloading the ruins to spare toriel???I didn't do that.
>>4097127>The knight isn't trying to cause the roaring nor is Kris.Then this story is a joke
>>4097131>I didn't play this game for the thing it advertised>I didn't play it for the thing everyone talked about either>I played it because I wanted another RPG where I can go through every bit of content and then get to the end and win :)>Why can't Deltarune be that?
>>4097131>he's trying to talk about things like how the games interact with meta concepts without even knowing the first instance of itstop talking.
>>4097089>CoL hates Death Note
>>4097125I don't like it. I watched it and I hated it. I wanted to see Light die the moment he killed Raye.
>>4097132Anon is not completely wrong. The Knight and Kris's plan involved kidnapping people for some reason. If they wanted to cause the Roaring then they just simply need to let Susie have her wholesome adventures forever until everything turns to shit.
>>4097135stop giving the schizo a name, you're only encouraging him. just call him a retard.
>>4097089Light vs L is iconic then everything else sucks ass
>>4097134I know, but don't imply that I did it>>4097133>YOU decide their fateI got the game for that.
>>4097142i wasnt saying that YOU did it, retard. i was stating it as an example.stop talking.
>>4097142Congratulations on ignoring every other line in the trailer.Undertale is not a game about how you deserve to make lots of "choices" in a game world.
>>4097145Is it a game where it's your job to not fight any enemies or you're a bad person?
>>4097149Nope. It's more about how easy it is to ruin games for yourself by not taking them on their own terms and failing to recognize what you value in games.
>>4097139I will use the name he gave himself to call him stupid.
>>4094758>near certain that Dess is "actually in hometown"WHAT DO YOU MEAN [lostgirl.ogg]?SHE'S RIGHT [[OVER THERE]]THERE'S NOTHING TO [find her]can anyone here me?Do you really believe that Dess walked across town, under the cover of broad daylight, through a traffic jam, and that nobody noticed or commented on the return of their missing neighbor?Also having antlers should not be the lynch pin of ANY knight candidate since the knight is both a shape shifter and wearing a helmet (according to Kris)
Here's your content bro. Go home.https://x.com/UnderTale/status/2099964641975972231
>>4097151How?
>>4097119>AlphysEven if she is bisexual that's 50% lesbian.
>>4097154Anniversasy?
>>4097154Yeah no it's done, we're not getting a newsletter. Pack it up boys, maybe in October we'll get something.
>>4094923>>4094958didn't Lancer say something about "not making through your teen years without at least one egg"?And what does Papyrus have in UT - if not a singular egg?What if the reward for collecting all the eggs is a meeting with papyrus?
>>4097154>anniversasy>Scarlet Forest
>>4097154LMAO Toby is giving up.
>>4097154It's everything I ever wanted and more. Thank you Tobias
turns out, this anon was right >>4096722There was nothinghttps://x.com/tobyfox/status/2099966915506807252Not even a forgotten man reference
>>4097154>all the people posting "arent you forgetting something important?"lol
>>4097156Between Flowey and Chara, the game clearly wants to make a point about sticking with a game after it stops being fun. Whether you do it because you can't let go of the characters you like, or because you just have to see all the content.
>>4097154I know I'm on the same wave length as toby when this dumb purposeful misspelling has me giggling like a kid
>>4097106Kris literally waits for the chapter to end before he enters the shelter Dark World just so he can conspire with Knight without you being privy to it. He's aware he's in a video game.
>>4097166IT'S NOT OVER YET.
>>4097154>Toby is totally not spiteful guys trust me>The typo is a mistake it will be fixed
>>4097166saw that comingeven if it was something it probably wasn't gonna be much
>>4097170He will still not let you suck his bussy sorry bro
>>4097174Mindbroken by the dog.
Chapter 6 is coming out next June. Any earlier date is pure cope.
>>4097166>There was nothingbro, your shower merch?
>>4097178April-May isn't impossible depending on how bugfix + translations go
Nothing ever happens...
>>4097119Maddie loved Undyne in Undertale.
>>4097180Yes but it still has to be announced in a nintendo direct.It'll be long done by the time we get it
>>4097166His assistants are already making the game for him. Does he not do a fucking thing at all? Fucking lazy retarded yurifag.
>>4097183This, Toby is too much of a Nintendo cocksucker to announce the release date anywhere except Nintendo Direct.
>>4097166I'll take amalgamate-related merch as a win, I think there's actually a chance it's meant to be related to Deltarune
>>4097166Yeah, that's what I expected. The 10th anniversary was the big finale to extra Undertale content.
>>4097186>I'll take amalgamate-related merch as a winRetarded consumer
>>4097157>>4097182FINE dudes just disregard the bisexuals in the list including Elnina and Clover
I CAN'T WAIT FOR DELTARUNE TO HAVE IT'S 10TH ANNIVERSARY AND STILL NOT BE FULLY OUT
>>4097189Elnina doesn't like women I think.
>>4097185Toby broke the trend of fall releases just so Deltarune becomes part of the Switch 2 launch titlesI wonder if that's gonna mean anything in the long run since the game is both unfinished AND has no physical releases at the moment. Like, imagine 10 years from now people would look back at the launch of Switch 2, would they talk about Deltarune briefly or just mention it was part of the launch?
>>4097186I mean the knight is blatantly SOME form of amalgamate no?Its been awhile but didn't alphys steal the amalgamate idea from Gaster? So it would stand to reason he would have a more perfected stable version for his future experiments
>>4097188I'm not buying it god no, don't really need amalgam kanako to watch me showerIt just gives me hope for amalgam knight
>>4097186Never count on it, people made that mistake with "Ralsei's always getting mixed up with flowers (that doesn't happen)" and the Toriel oven mitts and they got humiliated.
ONE, NOTHING WRONG WITH METWO, NOTHING WRONG WITH METHREE, NOTHING WRONG WITH MEFOUR, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME
>humiliatedGetting a prediction wrong isn't humiliation
>>4097191yeah but considering how shakey and open the weather duo's relationship is I am not putting it out of the question that the shy Clover head is gonna get some from Elnina
>>4097197It is though
>>4097197It is when everyone suddenly turns and goes>IMAGINE BEING THIS RETARDED TO THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN LOL>GOD I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE GAMEetc. etc. etc.
>>4097194>retarded yellowfag doesn't even know there wasn't actual amalgamate merchLol!
>>4097193Gaster made an intricate amalgamate while Alphys fucked up everything This is why women don't belong in scuence
>>4097200>GOD I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT MAKING THE GAMETo be fair everyone treats each other like this even when no theories are confirmed
>>4097197if we simply make broader guesses we GOT this
>>4097195>people made that mistake with "Ralsei's always getting mixed up with flowers (that doesn't happen)"It DID happen in chapter 5, it's just that the way it word it made it sound like it's something unique for Ralsei, even though it happened with Kris and Susie too
>>4097205No, I'm talking about using that as evidence for Plantner Ralsei, which obviously isn't the case because Flowery, a plant, is calling Ralsei an impossibility, and none of the flowers recognize Ralsei as a fellow plant.
Why the misspelling thoughLike he ran with it so it must mean something
>>4097206he's probably an actual root under Hometown, hence he can exist where ever he wants without needing Kris being around
>>4097133>for the thing it advertisedYour choices mattering? Kind of shitting all over that if you only do pacifist because it's "canon."
>>4097208>lol that's funny, keep it inThat's the reason
>>4097208can't even make typos in this day and age without people believing it HAS to mean something more
ERAM TAKEOVER SAVE ME.
>>4097210>the friendly RPG where no-one has to dieThat advertising. The tagline. The one that really does appear pretty much anywhere the game is marketed.>if you only do pacifist because it's "canon."Who said that? I did both. And a few neutral routes too.
>>4097199Scientists have made all kinds of hypothesizes with the information they got at the time since written historyDo you think they got humiliated by others when their hypothesizes turned out to be wrong?>inb4 a simple "yes"
>>4097209>RootseiWhat's he gonna do, eat a carrot?
>>4097214I mean if you do it twice...
>>4097197The important part is that the people who make wrong predictions feel humiliated.
>>4097208It's some kind of cryptic foreshadowing for a major Chapter 6 Darkner, the same way "Sorry to keep you waiting!" was actually one of Flowery's phrases.
>>4097215ERAM takeover is for the halloween anniversary duh!
>>4097224No that's the Vessel takeover.
Last newsletter was 2 months ago you dinguses, there's not even new material to say
>>4097226He should just post a line from Skies Forever Blue and have people argue for the next two years who its supposed to be
Toby putting literally no work into celebrating the 11th anniversary right when the idea he's a hack writer whos not trying that hard after all is at it's peak in terms of popularity is......certainly a move
>>4097227He could talk about 7B progress.
>>4097171That doesn't even make any senseWhat make it end, you can't just take every single mechanic as literally as possible
>>4097231Only two assblasted schizophrenics here believe he's a washed up hack who personally hates them.
Toby Fox? He raped my dog in 2012
>>4097234And this response is exactly how he justified doing this I imagine, thank you for fluffing his pillow
>>4097222It's Eram because of the ARG typos.
>>4097234>Only two assblasted schizophrenics here believe he's a washed up hack who personally hates them.I believe that, too, so I guess that makes three of us. He clearly hates right-wing ideology, he's a leftist.
>>4097238Woah, and you understood that just now? A decade later?
>>4097218yes
>>4097231chapter 6 is gonna speak a lot more for his writing than some anniversary
>>4097229>Skies forever blueThat's for Ralsei.
>>4097168You insist I don't find fighting enemies on the neutral route to be fun? I do find that fun though.Shame on you, what if I didn't find being a pure pacifist to be fun?
chapter 2's five year anniversary is in two days.think we'll get anything for that?
>>4097231Suselle says it all about his writing.
>>4097243So the options are:>Kriselle (Soulelle)>Kralsei (Soulsei)>VesSoul
Explain the Ralsei princess scene without invoking the trans Ralsei theory.
>>4097243Ralsei isn't a girl, troon.
>>4097239Only recently did I realize he supports the people that celebrate the murder of right-wing figures
Has Toby ever actually acknowledged Deltarune's release date with news outside of a happy chapter 1 anniversary tweet?I feel like it's always only ever been Undertale's anniversary
>>4097248>SoulelleFuck off
>>4097245No.
>>4097250Trans girls are girls, chud.
>>4097233I don't know. But it's a serious narrative problem, because it implies Kris can just plot and scheme and do as he wishes without taking out his soul, something he has to do in every other chapter, yet it only happens this one single time so he can enter the shelter Dark World, since it's known that you need a soul to enter a Dark World.
>>4097249Ralsei is a faggot who likes crossdressing because cute boys crossdressing is an anime thing, just like Toby also crossdresses in that one picture (as a joke)
>>4097249The dress is just a reference to that one fanartFlowery calling him princess is just to demean him and piss him offHowever he actually is the princess of 74
>>4097255Not biologically, troon.
>>4097244I don't insist that. Nor does the game. I, and the game, do question why you bought an RPG whose main selling point is the option to be nice and then chose not to be nice and got confused when the fanbase was full of people who did.Did you think the option to be nice was some kind of joke? "Haha, like you'd ever spare something that brutally attacked you"?
>>4097253Hey man SFB is about the girl falling in love with the Player. Go argue with Toby not me.
>>4097260Trans girls have female (biological) brains, therefore they are biologically female.
>>4097262Yeah, which is exactly why SFB means nothing to Deltarune. Deltarune earnestly hates the player with all its heart, you aren't allowed you have anything, you don't get to choose who you are, your choices don't matter, you're railroaded into options that make Kris hate you even more and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>4097261I thought it was an option if you wanted it.
>>4097264Oh yeah man and in this world it's kill or be killed.
>>4097166Toby did this to piss me off personally
>>4097261He probably got it because he heard of the sans fight
>>4097264>Deltarune earnestly hates the player with all its heartyou're retarded.
>>4097266Enjoy the cuck scene 8 years in? How about the fountain that exists to punish you for moving 4 pixels to the left.
>>4097170I know some of you are unironic bluesky users when you post shit like this
>>4097266Deltarune is not Undertale. You could disprove Flowey's mindset instantly simply by sparing the Ruins monsters, it's not like he popped up when you were about to spare your first Froggit, killed it himself, and then cackled because your choice to use mercy was a meaningless endeavor.Even when he warned you that you'd probably run into a relentless killer, foreshadowing Undyne, you could still find a way to spare her, and even turn her into your quirk chungus best friend.
>>4097269What else would you call it?
>>4097119>>4097182Maddie will never be a woman.
>>4097270>more game is a punishment
>>4097274you being an autist thats incapable of not taking everything personally.
>>4097264>you don't get to choose who you are, your choices don't matter, you're railroaded into optionsThat's every JRPG ever with fake ass (yes/no) options if there even are options in stories you have no say in anythind and merely watch
>>4097269Kris hates me for choosing the only options I'm allowed to make. What if I didn't want to earn his ire by trying to read the guitar code and instead shitting around all day long? Narrative can't progress, everything spouts same few lines of dialogue or flavor text, I can ONLY proceed by making Kris hate me more.
>>4097208He just thinks misspellings are funny. Like over half the game is written like a text message.
>>4097265Yeah. Why do you care whether an option is there if you never want it?>more options is better gameNo.
>>4097280>>4097277
>>4097208You act as if the most common speech quirk in his games wasn't>LOL this character misspells words!Just look at Yellow, for example.
>>4097216No one HAS TO. That was the neat thing, the game let you choose which was a promise many games made and still make yet almost none implemented it as thoroughly as UT. The game's only real problem was the fans who act like you're playing wrong just because you didn't either spare everyone or kill everyone.
>>4097283Sorry for taking it personally when he literally discarded my preferred player character and forced me to hijack his retard life, and then he gets mad at me for doin the only things I'm allowed to do to progress his faggot idiot plot.
>>4097218the guy who proposed the big bang was humiliated BEFORE they confirmed it by fedora tipping scientists
>>4097279That's every GAME ever."Real choice" in games is a fucking scam and always has been.You are doing a multiple choice test on what content you want to have access to in this save file.Perfectly symmetrical alternate routes designed to prevent you from feeling like you missed out on anything are annoying fakery.
>>4097275She's not trans.
>>4097286>the narrative is a DIRECT insult to me! i am horrified!sounds like being a facebook pearl clutcher is more your speed.
>>4097238>he hates giving all your rights and money to corporations and government overreach and spy networksSuddenly I'm not feeling like being so harsh on chapter 5 anymore>>4097252Deltarune hasn't been released yet.
>>4097279At least the games I like pretend to be an adventure and dont do the things that specifically make me mad like in deltaruneWhy is so hard to just pretend unless you have it out for jrpg fans in particular?
>>4097276Chapter 3fags certainly thought so
>>4097290Don't make me an integral character to the narrative and then shit on me for doing the only things I'm allowed to do. It's that simple.
>>4097275Look man if I can let Mettaton slide I can do it with the Mad Dummy too
>>4097292Why are you talking about the game full of things that specifically makes you mad, are you some kind of masochist?
I will get the Vessel back in 7B. That's all I care about.
>>4097297Because this is what they sell and demand people love and worship
>>4097289Well he's certainly not female.
>>4097182Alphys would probably be super into a throuple with her. Don't see Undyne being into that.
>>4097208>Susie is retarded and every time she writes something it's full of misspellingsOf course! This is a sign. It means Susie will be the new protagonist and Kris will be put aside as the antagonist to be defeated. At the end Kris dies and Susie keeps the doe.
>>4097299>demandDid anyone hold you at gunpoint and yelled "you're gonna buy and play Deltarune NOW or you die!"?
>>4097285>the game let you choose which was a promise many games made and still make yet almost none implemented it as thoroughly as UT.Oh, there's the problem. I felt like no game let me choose and UT proved why. Ultimately, the options are all there no matter what, so what I control is how many of them I see and not how many are "real".Undertale doesn't do choice itself any better or worse than other games, you're still saying yes or no to content. What's unique about it is that it asks you to realize that this is what you're doing rather than letting you have your cake and eat it too by having every choice lead to carefully measured equivalent gameplay benefits.
>>4097293>"Thank you Tobasco for not making me endure MORE of this turn based bullet hell combat in Deltarune!"I can't fucking understand why ch3 fags were interested in the game in the first place.
>>4097296Mettaton never changed genders...
>>4097303When Toby's shit infected everything I saw
>>4097252One of the newsletter mentions the 5 anniversary for halloween>Halloween... is technically the 5th Anniversary of DELTARUNE.Key word is ''technically''
>>4097306going from genderless to male is technically a changebut there is no evidence the mad dummy ever went as a male
>>4097305The bullet hell is a gimmick that changes regularly. TV time was another set of regularly changing gimmicks.
>>4097294>NOOOOOO THE GAME IS A DIRECT INSULT TO ME ME MEEEE!!!!its not, you are an autist incapable of not taking things personally.
>>4097306Yeah cause he didn't have one until he felt like being a fruity ass robot
>>4097307I'm so so so sorry Toby fox raped you. Please record it next time so we can all watch and laught at you
How did the UT monsters get my phone number
>>4097314He stuck his fat jew nose where it didn't belong and touched pokemon
>>4097311It's not just an insult to me, it's an insult to every single player. Everyone gets the same experience of being treated like dogshit simply for doing the only thing the game allows you to do.It's like if you tried to go to the grocery but someone was hired to kick you in the crotch while you tried checking out, because the store actually HATES that you're giving it money and business for some reason and wants you to fuck off.
>>4097252I don't think he ever acknowledged the UT demo anniversary.>>4097308>technicallyHe better either stick to either october 31 or whatever the release date for 7+7b is. June 4 becoming the anniversary because people paid money is lame as fuck.
>>4097318you are an autist incapable of not taking things personally.
>>4097318Or... what you see on screen is not meant to directly inflict you with agony, and is not an attack on you.
>>4097304Yeah UT is pretty limited in choices but they feel like they matter because the game can acknowledge just about everything you do
>>4097310Regularly changing the same half assed zelda gameplay!
>>4097318>it's an insult to every single player. Not me.
>>4097320>>4097321Then how are you supposed to feel?
>>4097320>>4097321>>4097324Yeah, because you're all domesticated knot-licking cuck boy white knights for the bastard dog.
>>4097320Then don't expect players to give a shit about anything that hapoens to them in the game if they're not suposed to take it personally.
you guys sure feed the mission
>>4097328I came to Deltarune with a mission, feed the doomposting
Toby getting born just to spite me specifically
>>4097326The dog is fucking your ass right now with his BIC (Big Ironic Cock).You LOVE getting raped by the dog. You could leave and do something else. But you love the dog's knot so much, you keep seething about his game to come back and get fucked by his knot some more, and you'll be here seething again when Chapter 6 releases.
>>4097300The ghost was genderless and is female in Deltarune. >>4097301She accepts Alphyne like how Berdly accepted Suselle.
>>4097307This guy gets it. If you care about the decline of video games you should care about Toby and his invention of woke shit in video games. He's the one who started it all and served as a reference for all the others.
>>4097322Yeah, but the operative part is that making a "choice" in the form of killing a character is functionally the same as making a "choice" to only play the part of the game that I like in the first place. I'm opting out of the content I like less. The choices themselves are made more interesting because of the number of them, and the possibility that any of them could be referenced again though, that's true.
Hey, I'm sure the CoL faggotry is fun and all, but how has no one here considered that the Anniversasy typo and Ice-E Merch might relate to his relevance in Chapter 6?He's a literal in-universe cryptid, a Darkner based on him would be "serious" because of the trauma ties he has with Noelle, and it'd be Toby's segue into putting the Ice-E story from Noelle's blog into the game proper.
i came to deltarune with a mission to feed the doe.
>>4097330In an alternate world his mother strangles him because this is what the ideology he supports wants to allow anyway
Newbaby Deltarunefag here, who is CoL and why is he so powerful?
>>4097335Who gives a fuck Any potential foreshadowing can easily be proven as either meaning nothing or to be something else entirelyThere's no point in talking about it
>>4097335Reminder Noelle has serious repressed trauma around ice or some shit, Sans mentions she straight up freezes up and stares at the freezer like a deer in headlights hehWouldn't surprise me if she had a core part of THAT DAY but repressed everything omori style while Kris is left picking up the pieces
>>4097316Tbf to Toby Pokémon did not need his shitty midis to drop in quality
>>4097331That marrano piece of shit should be grateful Nintendo didn't neuter him yet.
>>4097338Source of the "I came to Deltarune to complete the mission" babble you might have seen copypasta'd around. Originally found on youtube, has migrated between /v/, /vg/, twitter and /vrpg/
>>4097338thread boogieman. just ignore it and call people with retarded opinions retarded.giving a schizo a name only validates the schizo.
One day AI could making game like Toby but infinite choices...
Seething about Toby's games here isn't gonna do shit, if anything he would laugh at you. The only way to stick it to Toby is to make the right-wing get into power in a future election. That's the only thing you can do that might upset him.
>>4097335Foreshadowing in Deltarune is a complete dice roll if you didn't notice that already.Don't bother too much, you will know the truth when a new release comes next year.
Why do deltatroontubers never show their face? It's not early 2000s we're in 2026 everyone and their mothers has their life recorded on Instagram and TikTok and Big Tech has violated privacy's corpse so much to the point it's not recognizable
>>4097347AI would have made a better chapter 5
>>4097340>Wouldn't surprise me if she had a core part of THAT DAY but repressed everything omori style while Kris is left picking up the piecesChapter 2's more or less spelled out the precursor to the incident and Noelle's memoryholed perspective of the aftermath this entire time.>Gosh, remember that night we explored the forest behind the graveyard?>Ha, I know we never found anything interesting back there...>I mostly remember... Crying because I was scared.>But for some reason I feel... nostalgic thinking about it.>Dess wiping away my tears with Azzy's jacket...Either it's revised memories Noelle built out of trauma that Kris doesn't care to correct, or something about the incident truly shook up Dess so badly that she actually DID run away from Hometown to get away from whatever evil is lurking, and wound up becoming a Lost Girl in the process.
>>4097315Only Papyrus has it and he dialed every number until he got Frisk's.
>>4097347Ai would get rid of the suselle shitSeeing this ages equivalent to starving actors is gonna be fun
>>4097348You guys need to vote correctly in mid-terms. For us Europeans' sake, we can't afford to lose again so soon.
>>4097355On one hand, true, on the other hand, a republican win would make Toby seethe, so it's a hard choice.
>>4097338Main character of the thread. If you see him post, please reply to him.
>>4097335I think this is looking too deeply into things, but I could see ICE-E being important because Chapter 3 implies he's connected with the depths.
>>4097351AI would make every chapter like 5.
>>4097335CH6 gimmick will be ice-E darkner mispelling stuff and ERAM getting pissed ("Sjelter"?), Toby lied when he said there won't be more wacky stuff
>>4097360Fair, then my prompts to AI would make a better chapter 5...
>>4097348But orange is already president.
>>4097335Mascot pizza places tend to have heavy nostalgic associations for two reasons: first, obviously, they're kid centered and thus a likely positive memory of a childhood experience. Second, though, they tend to get redesigns every decade or two, so the version you remember gets buried, even if the location and business live on.Ice-E's just got a redesign. It doesn't look big to us, but that redesign still probably means something if we're going into a dark world there. I think it's possible that the new branding and old branding might differ just enough that the new branding can come through as more normal Darkners, but the old branding is still attached to the traumatic associations and thus produces more serious Darkners.
>>4097357Voting correctly means voting for the party that makes Toby seethe the most
>>4097348I did that already though
>>4097335Because if i make a theory it will get an unfunny battat scene and more unfunny battat scenes is the last thing i want in this game
Can't wait to explore the pizza dark world where we uncover Carol's shady grooming gang business
>>4097362There's more to Deltarune than sex
>>4097374Tell that to Toby and his lesbians
THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE PIPESOhhhh Kris i remember those terrible pipes
>>4097370You know every deer isn't a groomer, right?
>>4097379Proofs?
You have two options>1. Every chapter took you at least 10 hours each. >2. You did not beat the game.
>>4097382There are people who didn't do that?Ew.
>>4097380Cmon who the hell is Rudy grooming and why
>>4097335>ch6 starts immediately where ch5 ended>Toriel tells Kris that Rudy passes away and they're visiting the Holidays right now>Kris runs upstairs, grabs a secret item, and heads out>dramashit, family mourning, emotional reconnections, cute moments>Kris silently slips an ICE-E plush under Noelle's bed before leavingThen later that day dark fountain happens.
>>4097366He would probably seethe over voting Democrat at this point, not enough terrorists in the party for his liking
>>4097318>It's not just an insult to me, it's an insult to every single playerHoly based
So we're in agreement that the story will end with Kris sacrificing herself to avert the final tragedy, right? It makes sense and will redeem all her evil actions up to that point.
>>4097392Kris is Christ??? Who is the Whore of Babylon, Noelle?
>>4097375I won't.
>>4097320>literally explains how he's not taking it personally>BUT YOUR TAKING IT PERSONALLYFuck off
>>4097375I did.
>>4097368Really, I don't fucking get this shit.Chapter 3 as a whole was enough to tell everyone they had the wrong mindset for Deltarune. It was enough to push people to move on. Why spend that much effort on the Mikes? And why KEEP insisting on that shit with Trashy Trio and all? And all the hundred remarks about Ralsei's hat?He say someone sappy "pwease keep imagining" thing in stream or newsletter while he keeps giving fuel to the most miserable type of people possible.All this time wasting while the game is itself is getting closer to expiration date.
Why are so many people defending Toby here? He's literally a shitty fucking writer and can't resist adding his yuri fetish to the game.
>>4097394We know it can't be you because you don't have sex
>>4097386>no school or monday morning for an entire chapter>potentially not even Susie around>all the ending set up from 5 was for 7I couldn't take it
>>4097402Because his game is unironically great despite the writing.
>>4097402because it panders to these people, as shrimple as that
>>4097402Some anon already said this but you seriously can't look at this shit and think this game wasn't made for 5-8 year olds in mind.
>>4097407I do. Groomer Fox.
>>4097400He tells everyone to keep imagining, then his fanbase shits on you for imagining because it's not canon compliant or Tobycore enough, or it's "pure fanservice wish fulfillment". What a fucking joke.
>>4097405>Because his game is unironically greatYou can't say that because we don't know how it'll turn out in the end. It might end up being one big pile of shit.
>>4097407Anon, Undertale always had 2010's Cartoon Network tier writing that just happens to get weird and edgy occasionally because of the lack of network interference. Did it take you that long to notice this?
>>4097400Realistically, Toby needed to justify one of his goons' salaries while he worked on 6 and 7 alone. He had to do it at the expense of fans because that's a way of bonding with the literal whos he hired over shared hatred of other people. The true red pill is Toby is a bad person considering how he sees his fans and a toxic manager as well.
>>4097402Suselle is going to kill this game. It's that fucking bad. Eww.
>>4097413This is supposed to be the so-called "dark masterpiece"The dykes can't even say "I love you"
>>4097405Yeah Snowgrave route is great but when I say that I'm "evil" and "a monster".
Do you guys listen to real music too or just video game music?
>>4097411And it's not like he doesn't know how fandom spaces work. He was somewhat early into widespread internet culture, he was part of fucking Homestuck, he knows how this sort of nerds are like.Did he get brain damage or is just too much of a pussy to tell people how he honestly feels about his fans?
>>4097418Normal music sucks. Game and anime music is better because it has events associated with them.
>>4097418I don't even have real friends, what makes you think I listen to real music?
>>4097402the ones defending it are yurifags who want dykes in all media, toby chose the wrong fans to pander to.>>4097405the only great thing will be susie's face before i cut her down like any other enemy.
>>4097418Whatever sounds good to my ears bro
>>4097418I have actual hearing damage. I don't really listen to music recreationally.
>>4097400Have you ever seen anyone get mocked and bullied and ostracized out of the fandom because they said they liked black Ralsei better or are you complaining about imaginary problems?
A kid as tall as Susie bit me once
>>4097418Depends on the times. I've spent the past year mostly listening to 3+4 remixes because that was the new thing for me, but I had phases of listening to more normal bands too.
>>4097418normal music sucks, it's either rap shit or the ugliest lyrical bullshit ever, who enjoys hearing a dude scream so loudly that you can't actually hear the instruments themselves? videogame music is peak, no fifty dollar concerts can compare to peak like black knife or big shot or the titan spawn theme
>>4097402the weird route is toby's fever dream.the purpose of the normal route is to contrast with it.
>>4097425Finally, we are ending racism against whites
>>4097425the guys who made the deltarune hat ralsei mods did
>>4097425How smart of you to pick the one thing that is more of an author pet peeve rather than fan discourse of what I mentioned as an example.The answer is no for THAT, but goddamn the past few months have been cruel to patternfags and traditional genocidefags. The edits I've seen on xwitter are more sardonic than the shitflinging we have here.
>>4097249ralsei looks cute in a dress, that's whythe dress stays on when he impregnates the princess (kris)
>>4097428Going outside of Toby's works, DKC's Stickerbrush Symphony is one of the best pieces of music ever made. Normalfags don't like it though, because it doesn't have vocals, I'm guessing? Their taste is shit.
>>4097386Kris is scared shitless of ICEE, honestly I want a reason why she isn't removing the giant ICEE from Noelle's basement
I don't understand how Toby managed to write Kriselle. It's literally hundreds of times better, more natural, and more thought-out than Suselle. And yet Toby wants THIS >>4097402 poorly written piece of shit to be the main focus. That's fucking retarded. I can't figure out what's going on in his yuri-damaged brain.
>>4097437see >>4097430>but-you're a retard. stop talking.
>>409724974 foreshadowing.
>>4097426That kid's tougher than Susie
>>4097336the doe will only consume krilk (kris milk)
>>4097414>justify one of his goons' salariesAnd why not just put Andy to work on actual main story content?Put him to make a a super Balthizard and a super Guei as mini bosses for the third sanctuary or something, instead of a gimmick fight shoved away in castle town.
>>4097437>Redditors will see this and rank Kriselle as basically not canonHolyFuckingShit
>>4097249A nigger can't be into crossdressing without changing his whole life around it now?
>>4097402>>4097405the better wording would be that it's good in spite of much of the writinglet's be honest here, the character writing us usually pretty good (outside of suselle) but when it comes to plot related things it's full retard with how vague it is for no in universe reason
>>4097435gosh, if i had to bring up other games' musics, i would have so much to bring up i cant name them all! i love castlevania music, chrono trigger's ost is timeless peak, lufia 2's battle theme is great, and im glad that, out of all common RPG stuff, deltarune decided to maintain the "having great music" aspect of em
>>4097418Yeah. Classical, renaissance, and baroque, as well as jazz, rock, pop.I hate modern music. Right now I'm listening to Mylène Farmer.
>>4097437Because suselle is fake and ch6 will be Kris and noelle only
>>4097437suselle is a subversion exploring how people would rather have dogshit ships be canon than actually good ships
>>4097437>i don't understand how toby managed to write krisellehe didn't, kriselle (and the weird route) is all temmie
>>4097442>And why not just put Andy to work on actual main story content?You actually want that guy to write shit that might be important later down the line?
>>4097437I think because the romance won't be the main point, it's probably written to build up to some plot thing and turned out to be interesting almost by accident.
>>4097361>ice-E darkner mispelling stuffSomehow it keeps coming back to that fucking theory that the mascot suit guy is somehow a Susie parallel.
>>4097433Next time don't mention an example you know you're wrong at.>but goddamn the past few months have been cruel to patternfags and traditional genocidefags.You know you can just make fun of bad theories like people have been fighting against tranny Ralsei too, right? Nobody's forcing you to be the victim, or are you this demoralized by teens on twitter making memes of your favorite theories?
>>4097450the fuck are you on, anon? neither of those things really resemble the rest of temmie's solo works
>>4097445>the character writing us usually pretty good (outside of suselle)The problem is that Suselle is literally woven into the main story now. I'm not going to be able to fucking stand it. The game's writing is going to hit rock bottom in Chapter 6.
>>4097445Yeah but consider this: I didn't laugh at a few of the memes so that means Toby killed my family or something>>4097449I would believe that if it wasn't almost a mirror of Alphyne which was played completely straight (heh)
>>4097451>filler minibosses like werewire or mauswheel>shit that might be importantReally?
>>4097437Ralsusie is also really good and has great potential but I'm starving over here, living off the crumbs Toby accidentally leaves in the game
>>4097402I don't care about Suselle.
>>4097445how to make your shitty game popular 101 ft. Toby Fox:>make dogshit plot>be vague about it>release it chapter by chapter>make the first chapters good with interesting character dynamics then give them away for free and ask people to buy the rest of it>wait a lot of years between releases so that autists get too attached to let go of it>go full retard on it and snowball the plot's ruin, add shitty dyke ship to ensure that people defend it forever>???>profitand that is how deltarune has managed to crawl into success
>>4097456>>4097402People really look at a story setup that was explictly said to be a tragedy and think "yeah these two characters will kiss for 6 hours on screen uninterrupted that's the plot"
>>4097456Dumbass, you really don't see anything ominous about the banner hiding the delta symbol and leaving only the angel in sight?
>>4097462>I don't care about SuselleWhat about the main story? Suselle is literally part of it now >>4097456
>>4097437He just has different taste than you, bro.
>>4097464>People really look at a story setup that was explictly said to be a tragedy and think "yeah these two characters will kiss for 6 hours on screen uninterrupted that's the plot"Kris will save the day, sacrifice himself in the end, and then Susie and Noelle will kiss each other standing over his body, like two strong women.
According to the newsletter, we are missing critical information, so theorizing is pointless. According to the game, giving us even the most basic information about the plot (like the final prophecy) will spoil the entire thing. It's kind of funny.
>>4097467>different tasteThe quality of writing has no taste.
>>4097454Oh you DUNKED on me by focusing on one thing that is more tangential than I thought when writing a post in a minute. And the other guy already gave the example of the hat mod anyway.>You know you can just make fun of bad theoriesnigger I DON'T WANT TO MAKE FUN OF THEORIES I just wanted this place to be more pleasant like how it used to beit's like we took the kris pronoun shitflinging and started applying that mentality to every single aspect of discussion of this gameI hated firegrave theory because I saw it as the biggest example of how unimaginative some people can be by replicating the exact same thing beat by beat, but I would NEVER wish for them to get a Mike tier clowning by the game, they're just people having fun with speculation in the end. I can choose to ignore them.Likewise, I disliked Toriel for way longer than most people, and when the jitterbugging happened I felt vindicated at first, but after a while I just felt bad about people who liked her (and Sans too). I gained nothing from that shit.
>>4097469That's the crypto-jew's fault.
>>4097466I still don't care about it and I laugh at how mad it makes people.
>>4097469But Toby still wants you to theorize because muh imagination or some shit
>>4097456>>4097466its obvious that CH6 is set up for suselle to fall apart>susie "i want every day to be the same" intends to dress up castle town as noelle's house and invite her over>noelle "i hate this stupid fucking town so much. its the same shit every day" will already be on edge from rudy dyinghow did we go backwards in understanding the game's setup?
>>4097467If his taste is seeing little girls kiss and showing it to kids he can go fuck himself.
>>4097462You care enough to cry about it for hours quite literally every single day without break
>>4097473>I'm a retarded contrarianWOW, YOU'RE SO FUCKING COOL, ANON!
I think Toby Fox should be killed.
>>4097456I wonder if an aborted WR Noelle will start freezing everyone in Castle Town since she still thinks darkners are enemies to be defeated like Kris taught her.
>>4097469not really any different from what was going on previously so I'll live
>>4097475>"i hate this stupid fucking town so much. its the same shit every day"I would carry CoL's children to term before aborting them if that exact dialogue is in the game
>>4097469the point of schizo theories is to have FUN.its not our fault that you took it the wrong way, and then took it personally when your theories werent right.
>>4097418I try to find something to enjoy in every genre. Helps with thinking stuff through. I enjoy finding specific songs to fit specific characters or situations
>>4097475>its obvious that CH6 is set up for suselle to fall apartSorry, but I find it hard to believe these hints, especially since Toby is a well-known yurifag, and as we all know, all yurifags are mentally ill. I desperately want to believe that Suselle will crash and burn. I really do.
>Susie x Noelle is bad on purpose!LMAO. You losers are in for a huge disappointment.
>>4097450>its all temmieDon't even have a reaction image for this, just a insane possibility to me
>>4097458suselle paralleling alphyne is just bait for the undertale fans, that's why susie and noelle are initially presented as undyne and alphys parallels (strong thickheaded mean girl and shy loser girl) only to be subverted (actually nice girl who's smarter than she lets on and has caught on to the traitor's schemes and trauma ridden schizo girl going through the motions and is only looking for a relationship to fill the void within her heart and free her from her shitty life), it's clear by now that they are more than just alphyne 2.0, plus, if reverse undertale theory is real, then it'd mean that susie and noelle will be apart once they reach the end of deltarune (aka, the starting point in undertale but reverted, where alphys and undyne weren't dating), so it should be alright in the end, dont fret
>>4097471Then go hang out in your personal Discord server where you control who gets to say what so nobody can ever hurt your feelings by calling your theories dumb.
>>4097487alphys was originally supposed to be male, and only got genderswapped because people hated him as a guy.the only other fag ship in undertale is treated as a bromance joke.
>>4097468you forgot the part where ralsei turns into a superheroine princess and they're gonna go into file 2 to free weird route noelle, beat kris & noelle, and erase file 2 after normal route noelle brags about how she got to be free while weird route noelle just got herself trapped all along!!
>>4097402>>4097437>>4097456Suselle is like a cancerous tumor. You have to get rid of it as quickly as possible, or it will spread throughout the entire game and kill it.
>>4097490>who's smarter than she lets onHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE COPE THE ABSOLUTE COPE
>>4097469I'm beginning to suspect the reason for things like>the vagueposting>weird route reduced to short cutscenes>other NPC lightners not being allowed to do much in the dark world or be there at all>new darkners being rarer and usually written off instantlyafter chapter 2is because>Susie would figure out what's going on by her own and the plot would go off rails instantly>players would guess really fast what the twists will be during the WAIT>Toby really wants it to be a shocking surprise and his bending everything to that goalWhat I'm implying is that the story of Deltarune could be CONSIDERABLY BETTER if it wasn't for the episodic releases and the focus on making the ending stand out.
>>4097483have you played the weird route yet?
>>4097483apparently we went backwards because we have secondaries here that didnt play the game.
>>4097491Yeah the reason totally isn't how most speculation gets drowned with fags saying SUSIE GASTER while the only shit that floats to the top is bland slop like deer knight theories or asgore fight in chapter 5, which didn't even happen despite being a very low hanging fruit
>>4097494I think you're the cancerous tumor around here and my opinion is more canon than yours so now you need to weird route lake yourself
>>4097475Noelle was the first one to want to make more Dark Worlds and live in them btw.
>>4097497>>4097499I didn't play the Weird route and I never did Genocide in Undertale because I actually like the characters.
>>4097499>>4097497don't be dense. he obviously meant those exact words and not just their meaning as a whole.
When I learned from the Deltarune community is that if you make the truth offensive enough, fans will never figure it out. The community will go out of it way to ignore it just because it hurts their feeling. That is the ultimate form of mystery obfuscation.
>>4097484All your theories were wrong and mine were right btw.
>>4097504because at first, they were something DIFFERENT.but if susie gets her way each one will be the exact same crap and noelle will grow tired of it fast.
>>4097502>my opinionOpinion?
>>4097507...which is why Noelle is the Knight hiding in plain sight.
>>4097507well it was true for the doelesters>"it wasn't a rape allegory!">it was>"she clearly hated it">she didn't
>>4097504Noelle says a lot of shit that she doesn't really mean
>>4097509Your tears when 6 comes out will be delicious.
>>4097507which is why the ending will be TADC tier
>>4097511Offensive =/= offensively stupid.
>>4097507then show your work to the class, mister
>>4097517
>>4097512>>"it wasn't a rape allegory!">>"she clearly hated it"both of these statements are true, we were just wrong about who they were directed to.
>>4097519wait no, it was a rape allegory.
>>4097518That's not the Noelle Knight manifesto
>>4097518you're missing the most damming evidence:the game heavily implies noelle is exclusively lesbian at various points while also implying she has some repressed feelings for kris
>>4097520Nuh uh, it was literal rape and you know it.
>>4097490>smarter than she lets onanon susie has actively grown more retarded in the last few chapters than she was beforeher being dumb was a joke in 1&2, but 4 and especially 5 show her as barely literate and struggles forming coherent sentences sometimes if it turns out susie was only pretending to be retarded for 8 years toby is actually, legitimately a hack, no bullshit
>>4097522Even more damning, Berdly is exclusively attracted to gamer girls.
Chapter 5 Susie is dumber than Temmie. Let that sink in.
>>4097522That's because Kris is non-binary, so they’re basically both a boy, a girl, and neither at the same time kinda like Christian angels.
>>4097522>>4097525there is no argument against thisnoelle is a lesbianberdly is straightboth of them are attracted to krislogically, that must mean kris is a girl
>>4097528Noelle is straight
>>4097529Cute joke
>>4097529proofs?
>>4097527There is no confirmed evidence that Kris is nonbinary. It's just Toby being gender ambiguous with his precious humies, because he doesn't like anyone but himself knowing anything about them.Chasriel is an extremely toxic relationship, and since UTDR doesn't do toxic gay relationships, it means Chara must be a girl.Which also means Frisk is a girl, because not only does Asriel confuse Frisk for Chara, Toby said in the 10th anniversary stream that the Alphys date is a "girls kissing girls" tutorial.
>>4097513aw cmon dude Noelle can't get a pass for everything she says and does. i don't care if she didn't mean to say her and Kris aren't close, she still said it and is poisoning the relationship of everyone around her by being dishonest
>>4097533>UTDR doesn't do toxic gay relationshipsSpamtenna
>>4097535isn't that more like just pissed off ex-es?
>>4097528Ralsei is the only counterargument and even that's pretty flimsy considering the fact he's also attracted to Susie.
>>4097536...anon, please enlighten me. how do you become ex-es with someone without dating them first?
>>4097535Not confirmed to be an actual romantic relationship, take off the tumblr goggles and stop huffing the Spamtenna AU fics.
>>4097537He's not attracted to SusieHe does however get flusterd and tsundere for the obnoxious anime flower man Flowery which means Ralsei is at the very least, bi>>4097539>Not confirmed to be an actual romantic relationshipNeither is Chasriel
>>4097537Ralsei not even once plainly stated his preferences. He gets flustered by Clover and doesn't seem bothered.In fact I can't recall a single moment he gets frisky with a confirmed male.
>>4097538I just understand a toxic relationship implies they must STILL be in the relationship while things are sour. Think like the weather couple arguing in their fight.Spamtenna is more like everything was going alright until Spamton got that call and ghosted Tenna without explaining a thing. Then they spent a long time seething about each other without talking at all.
>>4097540>Neither is Chasriel>"Chara, you might not believe this...">"But I decided... It wasn't worth living anymore.">"Not in a world without love.">"Not in a world without you."I dunno man. You don't say something like that and mean it purely platonically.
>>4097533>Asriel confuse Frisk for CharaOk? Some guys look feminine. Just see Ralsei.
>>4097543I said that to my best bro just yesterday tho...No homo
>>4097543And? It's not confirmed. I could post walls of text that can be read as Spamton and Tenna were gay lovers whose relationship crashed but I won't because my point is it's not confirmed.
>>4097545Royal Guard 01...
it always goes back to shipping, ain't it?
>>4097548Because shipping discourse is the only thing that isn't drowning in vagueposts.
>>4097548That and Mike
>>4097550Toby never should've greenlit the Mike trio, the deranged Mikefags won't shut the fuck up ever again because of it.
>>4097537straight femboy is pretty kinofemboy x reverse trap is a patrician pairing
>>4097529Anon...
Post...THAT.
>>4097552In tob's defense, I can't see anyone predicting mikefags completely losing their minds over a lighthearted joke. The thing is it doesn't even really matter because mikefags will still play the game anyway since they're too attached and obsessed with their theories.
>>4097544Frisk and Chara being identical twins is better in my opinion, plus girls are cute and femboys are gay.
>fan games thread gets cursed fan art and constant game updates>deltranny thread gets shipping wars and sometimes when that's over, also just more shipping wars
>>4097552>Toby never should've greenlit the Mike trioFinally we can agree on something!
>>4097555Ok...
>>4097558Blame Toby for cursing us to this fate.
>>4097558>anniversasy fags get _____________________
>>4097558Nothing new to discuss. No one wants to theorize because it's been fully discouraged. No one wants to create because the fandom will lash out at anything that isn't perfectly compliant to Toby sensibilities while existing in a paradox state of "it must be better than Deltarune but also not better than Deltarune because if it's better than Deltarrune then it will disappoint fans when Deltarune is not as good as this". We don't know anything about any characters to discuss them in-depth because an asspull reveal could completely shit on our understanding of them within these next two chapters.Shipping is genuinely all that's left, because shipping inherently relies on not giving a shit about canon and basically turning these defined characters into your psuedo-OCs so they can smack faces against each other like Barbie dolls.
>>4097557That's nice but you're thinking of their fandom versions, actual Frisk and Chara look like retarded androgynous potatoes.
>>4097532
>>4097565Do not shittalk the potatoes
>>4097566Not canon
>>4097558Dude the thing I hate the most is when shit turns into talking about what makes Toby seethe or how he's scared or how he's great and like holy fucking shit why am I supposed to care about this dude I've never fucking met him I just gave him 20 dollars for a stupid video game
>>4097568fuck your canonNoelle will tell kris she loves him
>>4097565Chara and Frisk have the same silhouette and proportions even in canon which is why they being the same gender is better.
>>4097569>I just gave him 20 dollarsafter waiting SEVEN YEARS genuinely expecting he would do the bare minimum to live up to that two of a kind game demo I loved
>>4097569Because he holds this game's story so close to his chest that he refuses to let us know basic information like the motivations of our protagonist and antagonist until the literal final chapter of the game, presumably because the story is so predictable and thin that if we knew even one of these things, we could immediately figure out what the crazy fever dream ending his delusional mind conceived is supposed to be, therefore rendering all the years of secrecy and suspense moot.
>>4097570>Noelle will tell kris she loves herFixed
>>4097573He does know someone's probably gonna dump the vagueposting when the whole game's out, right?
>>4097558Their thread is much slower than ours, you can go there to bring life to it.
>>4097574NTA but you yurifags are really something else. So obnoxious.
>>4097558It's more than shipping wars. It's>Gender and pronoun bullshit>Fags being parasocial about Toby>Avatarfags>Schizos being enabled by Schizo cocksuckers>The Avatarfags and Schizos often overlapI'm not kidding when I say we're literally just riding the line between autism and /utg/ and I'm just about ready to just go cold turkey on Deltarune threads for the sake of my sanity.
>>4097564true
>>4097579>avatarfagsWho? The nature of these threads basically makes avatarfagging impossible, only Mikefag tried to avatarfag here and he gave up.
>>4097578Yuri game though
>>4097581Charaniggers
>>4097571I respect that this is your personal opinion.
>>4097583People are barely even posting Chara images if at all, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>4097572You get a lot less for that amount than DR already gave us.>>4097577I do sometimes but I don't play fan games or mods outside of Yellow and there's nothing new to say about that either. I skipped over most of that thread's negatives to make this one look worse anyway.
>>4097579>Fags being parasocial about TobyI exclusively criticize him as an artist and make the occasional Hussie jokeI don't give a shit about his personal life besides how it might have shaped his work, like how author analysis usually goes.
>>4097586He's still hallucinating them from the /v/ days.
>>4097587Quantity is a kind of quality but not the only one. At least 50% of these new releases bore me to tears on a replay.
>>4097587>I skipped over most of that thread's negatives to make this one look worse anyway.Oh okay, you're just a shit stirring schizo, then.
>>4097589Right, the schizo that fucking hated Chara. Should've realized it.
>>4097594Why does it feels like the chapter 2 era regulars were completely different from the current ones?
How do ch2fags defend the soundtrack compared to other chapters?
>>4097597big shot still mogs every other boss song in the game, it's tv time is the only thing closewelcome to the city is also nice, i like the wr version on youtube t. ch4fag
>>40975963 and 4 seem to have changed the Deltarune landscape completely, probably because it was new content after 4 years of nothing. Everywhere the fanbase changed when it dropped, in all websites.
>>4097597Hmm, what about a soundtrack that doesn't revolve around only 2 new leitmotifs like ch345 AND doesn't has way too many proeminent orchestral or acoustic tracks for a game series with its musical identity tied to chiptune and samples like ch1?I'm a ch1 fag desu
>>4097599As much of a Spamton fag I am, I still feel BIG SHOT wasn't the best version possible of itself because of the instrumentation, even if is a top 5 song in the game. It's a problem that only got worse with tracks like GUARDIAN and Flower Man for me.
>>4097603power of spamton (real) will be the next schizo song t. oby
>>4097604I think it was the worst of both songs and I'm glad it was scrapped
>>4097602I liked what 1 was doing, there's no reason not to mix it up. But 3 and 4 are pretty annoying for being 95% one song each.
>>4097607I'm gonna give a more fair and detailed review to each after I listen to zenlooker and take a bath
Toby only bathes in the rankest lesbian bath water japan can offer
>>4097609At least he bathes
>>4097548It's the same posts all over again, down to the same wording. Someone got really bored I guess.
Kris has been holding back all this time btw
What are your theories on Titan having angel wings? Or are we dismissing that as visual flourish?
>>4097613This implies the knife is the same in the Dark World, meaning it's very likely we're getting a real knife moment.
>>4097614it was to trick people in the trailer lmao
>>4097615that was in chapter 1
>>4097614Titans appear in "many forms" so i guess being in a place that worships the angel had an ironic influence
>>4097615Or she just knows what he happens to have on him in the real world. The flowers are pretty in the know about everything.
>>4097615The knife is going to be the twisted sword. I just know it.
>>4097617I meant in the Dark World with the glowing red stuff implied in the steam trading card.
The more I engage with these threads the more I realize chapter 5 is exactly what this fanbase deserved.
>>4097511The offensive truth is the Knight is Dess.We all know that's the most likely but we don't want to think about that because that's lame as shit
>>4097627>chapter 5 is exactly what this fanbase deservedBut I liked chapter 5... the dark world was fun
I…I like Ralsei…
I love Kris.
In one hand, I don't love meta narratives and Toby's persistance on meta commentary about the nature of playing video games and how it's going to overwhelm Deltarune's storyIn another, I love how Kris provides an interesting player character vs player dynamicI guess, it's cool now, but if Toby's next project, if there is one, is yet another meta narrative I don't think I want it
>>4097629The gameplay was great as usual but I mean the story
>>4097634Oh yeah? Well I don't.
Why do so many people like the chapter 5 gameplay like this guy >>4097637It just doesn't end and is such a slog all because Toby wants to get the most bang for his buck out of this gimmick. It was cool at first I guess (even if the cliffs are so boring) but really overstays its welcome
>>4097637Eh, I am a retard who loves the whole power of friendship stuff, and I found Flowey hilariously cheesy. Yeah, Asgore was a bit dissapointing and the whole yuri part sucked, but hey, it is obvious that it will be short-lived and Toby is preparing the backstage for poor Susie and Kris to suffer so I forgive him.Unironically Undyne x Alphys was much worse imho.
>>4097642at least undyne x alphys was optional
>>4097642At least fish/lizard was funny.
Deltarune Party in Dragon Quest
>>4097641I like platformers, it's not some grand conspiracy. I also don't mind the length because as a gameplayfag I kind of like that there's so much to do.
>>4097642At least nerd and jock, uh... I don't, everybody else got to say something.
>>4097629Chapter 5 was fun, but even when I was playing the platforming segments I could only think about how Toby needed to turn Deltarune into a platformer for people to even begin praising the gameplay, because his RPG design is literally only ever praised by normies for the jokes you can find in the ACTsI love Deltarune, but it's really painful for me how it's an RPG with a fanbase that doesn't actually care for RPGs
>>4097648What's Dragon Quest? A reference to the hit franchise Dragon Blazers from Deltarune?
>>4097662What kind of opinion is this? I love the pseudo-shmup and gimmicks.
>>4097648Deltarune could have unironically been awesome as an SMT-likeIt'd hammer home the themes of Susie getting attached to the darkners by having you actually invest in recruiting party members that are canonically not real, and eventually having to part ways with them at the end of the story.
>>4097642>Undyne x Alphys was much worse imho.Hard disagree. Alphyne tried to do some cringe comedy and succeded some times. Suselle is like a RomCom that forget the Com part.
Suselle is wholesome and sweet!
>>4097642>but hey, it is obvious that it will be short-livedReally wonder how 6's reception will be everytime I read these comments.
>>4097662It was never really an RPG. Deltarune's biggest strength in terms of gameplay is diversity. So something like platforming is a pretty good shakeup for one chapter.
>>4097669Imagine a bunch of retards seething for no reason regardless of what happens, congratulations you are now correct in predicting the threads.
Who would win in a fight?
>>4097635Usually, artsy stories that want to dissect some pop culture genre do it by making a very thin facade based on said genre to cover the real thing going on and provide a little context. Skies Forever Blue might be a decent example.The annoying thing about Toby is that he goes beyond that point, where his fictional worlds and characters are just strong enough on their own that one can enjoy his stories just for that reason. But the real point of his stories still isn't that, it's the observations they make about the nature of gaming and fandom culture and such.This way, you get all the genocide wank that turned a deconstruction of completionism and the ways we interact with NPCs into a superhero story from a villain POV. Or you get me, a retard who fell in love with these worlds only to eventually realise the priority was never that, but making points I don't care about or straight up dislike.
>>4097669You're talking about the light heartedness being short lived or the yuri being short lived?
>>4097675Yeah it's basically Kingdom Hearts mixed with Rick & Morty. Genuine autism passion meets cynical superficial commentary.
>>4097672the answer is always rouxlsy
>>4097680>Genuine autism passion meets cynical superficial commentary.Look, I have to give Toby both credit and shit in both aspects.He half asses his world building as much as he has a vision for good worldbuilding. His characters are usually at best on lower amounts as well.I also think he has a better sensibility and vision at tackling some of the meta shit that anyone else I can think. Flowey's genocide monologue is hard hitting and the whole build up to that was well made, even if I don't agree with all the points and how it was handled right after that.
>>4097635I think Toby likes meta narratives so much because he has played many video games and asked many, many questions about them, so he likes when stories try to address those questions too. It's fine if you're not curious about all the topics Toby is, gaming itself seems to be a bit of a special interest of his.
>>4097683Yeah superficial probably wasn't the word for it, I was considering recent stuff more than UT and DR as a whole.
>>4097680Is Rick & Morty seriously the first deconstructive media people think of these days or is there more to this comparison than that? Because Deltarune doesn't come across "cynical" to me, just inquisitive about the supposed rules of the genres it has its feet inside.
>>4097672Annoying Dog. Even Gaster needs Toby-sama to help him railroad his poor players into going the right way.
>>4097672
>>4097690R&M was basically the west's Evangelion
How would you react if Deltarune turns out to be a simulation? Hometown is entirely simulated. The residents are sentient vessels living scripted lives built on false backstories. Toriel is trapped in a hardcoded loop, waiting for a son who was never compiled and never truly went to college. Noelle’s entire childhood was just pre-programmed data, her nostalgia for Kris is artificial, and this will make her malfunction once she realizes the truth. Only Kris, Dess and maybe Susie (the new girl in town) are actual people, but they also have false memories. Dess didn't go missing, she simply exited the system. Kris is trapped, looping the same week, and needs to stop this never-ending game to escape.
brat
>>4097505yeah well it's weird route exclusive dialogue lol, you're missing out on important characterization>>4097505btw you can play those routes and still like the characters, its not a mutually exclusive concept
I played one meta game instead of thoudands of more straightforward games and now I am mad. Why won't Toby "Radiation" Fox apologize for my feelings?
>>4097710will call toby a hack and uninstall the game
>>4097711kris my cute, wayward daughter...
>>4097710I am more or less prepared for this eventuality so it's whatever if it happens. Regardless of the story's shortcomings, the gameplay and music still hold up and the characters themselves are still decent.
>>4097543ok sigmund freud, chara and asriel are still not in love
>>4097718He could have just stated it on the steam page and saved everyone the headache
>>4097710it would make all of toby's autism about the lighters uselessthey were never real, not even within the confines of the gamewhy would i respect that? what is it trying to say? 'be nice to fictional people'? a dozen other games have done that already, probably better that toby would shart out if this were true
>>4097564>"it must be better than Deltarune but also not better than Deltarune because if it's better than Deltarrune then it will disappoint fans when Deltarune is not as good as this"too late, we have too many fangames already for that to work now
>>4097720>he should've just stated that there would be a twist ending on the Steam pageAbout that...
>>4097710I wasn't prepared for exactly this but it's still pretty close to what I was expecting, so cool. I'm happy with this. Not sure what exactly the whole point of the game would be if it were true, it would heavily depend on other aspects of how 7B and such were written.
>>4097613what happens if kris wears a royalpin to boost his own magic?
>>4097722how many of those are finished?
>>4097657so go play mario then, this should be a rpg, not warioware, people really go "i will never play any other rpg!!" when deltarune cant even be considered a rpg with how much gimmickslop it has
>>4097684>I think Toby likes meta narratives so much because he has played many video games and asked many, many questions about them, so he likes when stories try to address those questions too.he sure loves not answering shit, through~
>>4097728>this should be a rpg, not wariowareIt's been Warioware since chapter 1. The dodging doesn't have a consistent enough set of rules for pattern design for me to rate it as anything more than a constantly changing gimmick. It's fun, it's expressive, it's fundamentally not designed like a core mechanic and can only be hard on a fight by fight basis.
>>4097727many
>>4097734list some then, genuinely curious
>>4097730he's clearly scared that somebody will figure out the plot before they're supposed to and potentially 'ruin' (reveal) it before he doesno other reason makes sense, you do not write a story with the intent to vaguepost until the very end, it just doesn't work
>>4097730He's answered plenty of questions, people overplay how much he's hiding because chapter 5 in particular was vaguepost city. If he really wanted he could keep shit like the knight, the mechanics of dark worlds, etc. etc. not explicitly discussed or shown on screen. He's given us enough information to predict basic actions and what sort of responses they earn from the world. I think that's fine for where we are in the story.
>>4097720Art is supposed to make you feel something. Since you're assblasted 24/7, that means Deltarune is an amazing work of art!
>>4097728That's nice but I played Deltarune Chapter 5 and enjoyed the platforming sections. The neat thing about it is that even if I didn't, it would still have those sections.
>>4097738Don't replace Dragon Quest with it.
>>4097737Tell us what we learned from chapter 4 that we didn't already know besides sometimes dead people can be darkners as themselves or zombies.
>>4097740Dragon Quest got bent over the railing and raped longdick style by the king of JRPGs, Deltarune. No more Dragon Quest games need to come out now that Deltarune exists and replaced all of them.
>>4097741>the true prophecy>what titans actually are (and how to defeat them)>titan spawn in dark spaces (and why completely dark worlds can be dangerous)>the knight is seemingly looking for something in the dark worlds>toriel is a drunk whore (confirmed)>what happens if a different person opens a DW in the same location>ralsei had fire magic (hidden behind a random act on a normal enemy)I think toby messed up by showing the titan in 4, because now all future threats are small time compared to ithence why so many people wonder if chapters 4 and 5 were switched up at some point in development (likely when he decided to split the game into chunks), this is most apparent when susie doesn't address the previous day at allcompared to chapter 5 where all we learned was that there is something stirring under the town (kinda knew with the bunker in 3) and asgore was in a dark world before (which we could infer from the holiday manor segment on chapter 4), and that's about it
>>4097741Susie's Dark World had immediate visual and mechanical differences from the Dark Sanctuary formed by a prior dark fountain in the same location. This can be looked into from multiple angles: Was the primary issue that Susie lacked the context that the Knight and Kris seem to share, or that Susie was trying to base a Dark World on a space she just saw as a Dark World?The exact wording of many prophecy panels helps dispel and refine old theories. For instance, we now know for sure that Lancer has a specific spot in the prophecy, and he was never particularly alone, which makes it infinitesimally unlikely he's the Prince.Dustners existing and the basic rules behind them were incredibly useful information. The Sound of Justice wasn't related to actual revival of dead monsters at all, it was the result of Susie making a Dark World "to see the old man again" when she now knew he was dead.Susie bleeds.The weird route stuff.There's more I'm sure but that's what jumps at me immediately.
Deltarune hasfunnier jokesbetter musicbetter graphicsbetter gameplaybetter storyway better characters and more cultural impact than Dragon Quest.
>>4097744>>4097743I just remembered now everyone going "how the fuck is Toby going to top future chapters if we got the fucking titan in chapter 4", and in the end, turns out he just wouldn't lmao, no wonder all theories thought the Roaring would happen right now in 5 and 6 would be a post roaring world. Really explains why everyone is disappointed (except those people that literally don't remember what happened in 4 since it was "so long ago" now)Really what the fuck was Toby thinking with 5
>>4097607Let's go. (1/3)>UndertaleDerivative of so many different things it morphs into a very unique OST. I don't think every song is equal or great, there are oddities and missed opportunities here and there, but it's an amazing set and it knows how to hit hard when the game needs.Deltarune was set up and promotes itself through UT, so it will inherently set the standards for quality and stylistic expectations.>Ch1I guess too many orchestral songs isn't the best way to put it. It's just that many of the tracks feel like a more normal fantasy game, which is a bit weird coming out of UT. Still, I think the quality was kept and it holds up great against the Demo Ruins tracks for comparison. Naturally introduces a great variety of main leitmotifs for the game and also a good variety for the chapter itself, plus some nice callbacks here and there. THE WORLD REVOLVING remains my personal favorite in the franchise.One hindsight thing to note is how Susie's motif disappeared after 1, and Lost Girl is oddly absent there.>Ch2The variety of unique leitmotifs introduced here is just amazing. For the characters, areas and all. I enjoy the turn to more chiptune tracks, as it is one of the main sound identities of the series. Though I do think it lacks on the more subtle and environmental tracks, it's a very loud OST. But, compared to all others, despite the great variety, I don't think these are THE best motifs of the game, 'Queen' for instance does its job very well but it's not the type that you can put in anything. I do love BIG SHOT, but it was the beginning of the instrumentation being not ideal even if the concept and composition were amazing.Overall I think it's the best OST so far for its consistency and variety, but other chapters had higher highs.
>>4097748(2/3)>Ch3I'll make it clear that my bad experience with all the new chapters will inevitably color my perception of the OST. But oh boy, I fucking LOVE Tenna's themes. It's TV Time isn't my favorite song in the series (but it's very high up), but as "leitmotif collection" I think this is Toby's strongest work he will ever make. It's insane how much he twisted those notes into so many songs like for a hype party, an intense battle, an ominous battle, a chill background, a stylish run, a melancholic theme, TWO different zelda-esque songs and so on. And that's were my praise ends. This single leitmotif is most of what this OST had besides recycling Hip Shop and stuff. We went from every new major character in 2 having a unique motif to characters like Ramb and the weather couple getting jack shit. Ruder Buster and Vapor Buster are amazing remixes, but just that. They only replaced what should've been more original themes.The instrumentation problem also comes back in the 8 bit songs. Paradise, Paradise gets annoying really fast but sounds great as an acoustic remix, for example.>Ch4And what do we have here? Gerson using recycled UT leitmotifs and Dark Sanctuary being the only other motif, which itself is just a variation of the Gaster motif, really awful variety. At least the Prophecy motif has returned in a deserved spot, it doesn't get used enough. Like I said before, I come into this game and these OSTs with certain expectations in mind, so having almost the entire OST be Square Enix-esque songs is really weird when I look for more Nintendo-esque songs. I don't even think it's a bad attempt, the area songs are all well made but just not what I'm looking for in DR. GUARDIAN was just a remix of the new generic battle theme, once again victim of the instrumentation problem by being a very bland orchestral score and inferior to SPAWN. A DARK ZONE was the one song from this one I consider an actual stand out, Spooktune coming back like this was amazing.
>>4097745Where's your party chat, Toby?
>>4097749(3/3)Must say having the Mike themes right after these is really awkward, but I guess it fits after all the jitterbugging we saw and listened to.>Ch5Now this OST was an actual disappointment for me, even if it was my favorite new chapter. Way too many recycled cover songs and guest artists. I like Attack of the Killer Queen and that was a guest song, but come on, Toby is a musician before anything else, I come to his game for the music first. Variety still remains bad, it's mostly just Flowery and Flower Dance as the new leitmotifs, and some flowers didn't even get their own variations. Many songs like Flower Castle get grating fast, some like Running Sky are just bland, thought I do have some emotionally hitting ones like the final Forgotten Man song, which is just a slowed down cover excerpt. I guess expanding the Friends theme was nice but I don't really care for it. The few weird route songs here felt more impactful in the long run.Flower Man is once again hit with the instrumentation problem. I really do prefer to listen to covers than the original song.Cutie Mew Mew Magic is hard to judge because of the context around it. It's very fun to listen on it's own, but conceptually is almost as much of a joke song as Inappropriate Recycling was, which is ridiculous with how the secret boss themes were evolving. The leitmotif usage here is also infuriating to think about. Why use Spooktune again here when it is just barely connected to the Mad Dummy? BIG SHOT had already featured it! And it's not even the first time this happened, Mad Mew Mew was a remix of Spider Dance instead of Dummy, but that wasn't as egregious?>FutureI'm not really looking forward for the remaining Kris Piano songs to show up, I feel they're all a bit bland. Still crossing my fingers for Megalo Strike Back though.
>>4097710>SOMA again?
>>4097737We still don't know the core motivations of our protagonist or antagonist and we're already past the halfway mark.In fact, back in Chapter 1-2, we thought we had a VERY good idea of our antagonist's motivations, but then the game had to go and throw the wrench of "actually Knight's been around for literally years even though it's supposed to appear alongside the heroes, but it's been dicking all around up until now, also they aren't interested in instantly causing The Roaring lul" to make understanding any motivations impossible to fathom, because now Knight's motives inherently hinge on its identity, but the game has zero interest in questioning this identity aside from a throwaway line from Susie and a bonus scene that serves solely to piss off players.
>>4097750Right here, nigger. *chats with you*
>>4097732you can count the ACT gimmicks in 1 with a single hand.
>>40977551 had to also establish the core gameplay so of course it wouldn't be like chapter 3 right off the bat, but it gives you enough to make you expect more gameplay shakeups in the future.
>>4097751>Why use Spooktune again here when it is just barely connected to the Mad Dummy?"Barely"? Dummy! Is a Ghost Fight remix! Directly! And Mad Mew Mew's theme was a Spider Dance remix, which again is a derivative of Ghost Fight! Have you confused some part of the soundtrack? Am I going insane?? What the fuck are you talking about??
>>4097751>>4097758undertale fans should be required to watch leitmotif vids before arguing about motif connectionshttps://youtu.be/YQuDid8oPTI
>>4097753>In fact, back in Chapter 1-2, we thought we had a VERY good idea of our antagonist's motivationsDon't throw around "we" so easily, I hated that theory. If opening a lot of fountains could cause the roaring and the knight was able to open them wherever, its goal was evidently not to cause the roaring or it would've done that already. We could deduce that back in chapter 2, people just didn't WANT to.>now Knight's motives inherently hinge on its identityI don't care about getting that exact of an idea of the knight's motives. I can know what it generally intends to do: get a select set of people, probably related to the codes, into the shelter. That's enough for me. Why am I meant to want more? Because we're "far enough" in the story to know what the antagonists are up to?
>>4097758Spooktune has nothing to do with Ghost Fight's melody. It was a separate gag song used by Napstablook and then came back with Jackenstein.Dummy is a remix of Ghost fight but also introduces some unique bits, the piano solo used by BIG SHOT and the section just before that. Spider Dance took none of that and neither did Mad Mew Mew (the Ghost Fight connection is why I don't think it was as egregious, I fucked up and put an interrogation in my previous post.) nor CMMM.
>>4097762>We could deduce that back in chapter 2,We didn't have enough information in 2 to rule out the Roaring itself being the goal.I personally thought the Knight was influencing the darkner rulers like King and Queen to have them produce more fountain (only worked for Queen) and start a chain reaction of fountains opening that way.
>>4097752Jevil went mad after encountering a strange person who revealed the true nature of the world to him, making him see that everything is a game and that the everyone is trapped. I also hate the idea myself, I don't want that, but you never know what kind of bullshit Toby will throw at us.
>>4097764Spooktune was a ghost song. It was attached to two ghosts, apparently, not just Napstablook. Ghost Fight was attached to two ghosts, Muffet, then one of the ghosts a second time.A Dark Zone is primarily based on Spooktune, but still borrows parts of its instrumentation from Ghost Fight, completing the "circle" on that reference. Also, Jackenstein is both spooky and a large humanoid doll type thing, the latter of which is I think what that quote of Dummy! represents in Big Shot.Anyway, the point is, Spooktune is attached to the same set of characters as Ghost Fight, it is a "ghost sound", I found the direct quote a little bit overly... direct, compared to how Spooktune is represented outside of Napstablook himself, but there is a logical connection, it's not out of nowhere.
>>4097752>>4097767the solution to this is just to have everything before ch1 be 'real' but when (you) got involved, it became a game/ fakeeveryone's memories of the past are still valid, the emotions and actions were all 'real'although i don't know if this makes sense with what we know about the game mechanics and the schizos knowing too much
>>4097762>I don't care about getting that exact of an idea of the LTIERAL ANTAGONIST'S REASONS FOR BEING AN ANTAGONISTHoly fucking cucked. Toby really buckbroke his fans.
>>4097765The Knight can open fountains. That's one of like two things we really did know about it back then. If lots of fountains being open causes the Roaring, and the Knight wants the roaring, it's equipped. We only didn't have enough information to rule out the Roaring as its goal if you assumed the Knight was somehow limited in its ability to make fountains, which is a bigger leap than it not wanting to start the apocalypse.
>>4097771Why is it supposed to be important? What does it change about my experience? I can more accurately predict what the antagonist will do once we're finished with 99% of the game's plot and it's time for the final conflict? Why is that meant to appeal to me?
why does maddie try to kill kris and susie in chapter 5? theyre lightners bro thats like killing your neighbours
>>4097770This is closer to Device Theory than straight up simulation theory.
>>4097774She's a little loony but also her actual neighbor is his fucking dad lol
>>4097773It's almost like the game is trying to tell you Knight is an actual character, and not a literal living plot device who exists solely to make conflict happen.But apparently you don't care about that, even though it informs the big question of "why does The Roaring Knight not want to cause The Roaring?"
>>4097774mental illnessfor real this timei'm also not sure how aware she is that this is 'real'she's more clueless than berdly and noelle about what's actually going on in the dark world
>>4097775i have heard those words thrown around but i have no idea what they are
>>4097777Yeah, the Knight is an actual character. So is Kris and we don't know what exactly he wants either, we have a sense it involves us having some use in his life and then fucking off but that's it. That's enough for me too.
>>4097778maddie seems to comprehend the concept of fountains and the dark world being gone when they seal it thing quite well, she never acts like it's all a dream or fake, and no one's making her fight the lightners, at least you can argue that berdly thinks he's in a dream/videogame thing and that he has to fight the lightners since queen ordered her subjects to do so and since he wants her validation, meanwhile maddie is a grownass woman assaulting two teens and whatever ralsei is to death
>>4097780If I remember correctly the term comes from the filename of the first heart sprite you see, in the goner maker, containing "DEVICE", same format as friend's sprite being "DEVICE_FRIEND".This implies the SOUL we pilot in Deltarune to be something Gaster made.The theory goes that the SOUL is not just an avatar by which you do things in the world but a combination camera and transmitter of sorts. It "captures" the area around Hometown, all the people and monsters therein. What you're playing around in is a projection of this captured time and place by the SOUL, an interpretation of what's really there, not the "real" world of Deltarune. The Undertale flavoring is because the SOUL is made by Gaster, an Undertale character, and not necessarily because the real world of Deltarune is one of humans and monsters.
>>4097751My question is what the hell are niggas on the wiki smoking to hear Mad Mew Mew in CMMM
>>4097774Let's say Susie and Kris walked up to you and started talking. Oh and Ralsei too. And this is their chapter 5 selves, wouldn't you immediately resort to violence too?
>>4097710>You got all the characters stuck because you wanted to play a gameHoly hack
>>4097785It does sound Spider Dance-ish but not in any way I can quantify easily, and possibly not in any formal motif-based way.
>>4097787Toby really can't help himself, he was inspired too much by OFF which ALSO frames you as being in the wrong for wanting to play the game.
>>4097789>OFF which ALSO frames you as being in the wrong for wanting to play the game.OFF was overwhelmingly of the position that the world had outlived everything it was meant to do and was now rotting from the inside. The Batter was unnecessarily cruel, and he manipulated your viewpoint to an extent to ensure you wouldn't really question what was going on until it was too late to stop anything, but the game itself doesn't think you're evil just for playing.
>>4097788It's all around really odd. and the lack of Dummy/Ghost Fight is extremely ironic considering how much the fight itself really wants you to know that yes, that is 100% the training dummy ghost person. Down to the living dummy audience, the idol attack, and an interest in knives
>>4097789isn't that what the halloween hack was about the player was evil for starting the game to begin with?
>>4097789Off isn't like that. The judge gives you the chance to side with him and destroy the batter and he acknowledges that its the Batter who cause all this to happen by dragging the layer into this.
>>4097748>>4097749>>4097751I pretty much mostly agree, although I liked 5's music.
I blame this slow boring pretentious piece of shit
>>4097791>>4097797Sure, but by starting the game, you turn the world ON, which creates the wretched state of affairs, and in turn create Batter, who makes it his mission to turn the world OFF.
>>4097799See now THIS one is actually pretty pretentious.>doing normal protagonist things is directly evil, you're beating up random pets and stealing from people>what you're really supposed to do is go out and make friends with REAL people!!!I like the atmosphere in a lot of moments but come on, gag me with a spoon this shit is trite.
>>4097801No, the world was ON before your arrival, Hugo's whole story with the Zone Guardians forgetting him really happened, when you arrive the world has already degenerated beyond hope of recovery.
>>4097795It's more about the futility of player choice than the player being evil for wanting to play the game.In fact, another of Toby's works, an RPG Maker shitpost called peepee.exe, reveals Varik is something of an anomaly and his very existence caused the spacetime problems that led the Phase Distorter to send Ness and friends to an alternate timeline, leaving the Halloween Hack timeline in its miserable state, so it reframes your involvement in HH as damage control so Varik's immeasurable existential fuckup can be addressed.You can't really fix everything, but you can put Andonuts out of his misery before his madness ruins more lives, at the very least.
>>4094956I just remembered from the 11th anniversasy merchandise that the snowman is also associated with Gaster. Why does ERAM have so many gasterisms? What the fuck is up with snowmen???
>>4097805Forgot to attach picrel.
>>4097384grooming asgore since college
>>4097805The same snowman you can tear into pieces mercilessly in geno?
>>4097802I played the first half hour and understood why it flopped and stayed niche. Tob could do the exact same story but with his own gameplay and it would instantly go from a 3/10 to an 8/10.
>>4097804Classic mister fox putting important plot details outside of the game instead of in it
>>4097243If Ralsei turns to the camera and says he loves me, I going to quit the game and leave it installed on my pc without ever opening it again so he can truly feel abandoned yet againfuck I made myself chuckle imagining "I'm not gay, Ralsei."
>>4097809Scattering it into pieces just like WD
>>4097801>>4097803Can you imagine a world where everyone is represented by a thought?
janny not so tough after getting doelested
>>4097815man and I was having fun
>>4097815>>4097816Why do you guys always have it out for the moderation staff?
>>4097817>singular threads with genuine discussion get deleted>but not the 9 GTA6 threads, 7 wolverine threads, and 4 other culture war threadsgee whiz
>>4097811Just like jap devs from ancient times, sasuga.
>>4097815>>4097816There was a thread? Aw man.
>>4097821it was only about an hour old before it got nuked
>>4097821https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747777157/one guy (me) got spamton trips
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>>4097825buddy's sleeping in so he's well rested for next anniversary
>>4097799Moon was to Toby what Undertale's pacifist route was to everyone who played it. He got bit with an obscure disease and decided to immediately infect everyone else with it
>>4097826But 12 is a lot less meaningful than 11...
i hate the pacifist route shit i dont wanna play as a good guyy, why did toby have to superinfect deltarune chapter 5 with forced mercy bullshit??
>>4097830Wow that's a really interesting and thoughtful statement. Why don't you post it another hundred times you fucking low-functioning autistic troglodyte?
>>4097830play the schizo route (weird route with all possible recruits)
>>4097830Just hit the enemies and the flowers won't like you very much
>>409782912 is what u need for a dozen (of eggs)
>>4097830Could you please tell me more of your thoughts and opinions?
>>4097834im still forced to spare em through
>>4097830I'm holding my hopes up for the Geno stream to be in the 13th anniversary when 7B is released.
>>4097841at least you dont have to hang out with them later, that's a plus
>>4097842toby is a fuckin hack, he just scratches his ass after baiting players over the possibility of a 11th anniversary stream and smugly states that he simply slept in, fuck him, he lost all passion for his retarded game and just wants to milk all possible cents out of it before wrapping it up
>>4097845wait when did he say anything about doing a genocide stream I thought that was just wishful thinking
>>4097823Nice.
>>4097845>he scratches his assProof?
>>4097830Why didn't you seethe and decide "this is not the game for me" when Chapter 1 forced you to use mercy on K. Round not only once, but TWICE?
>>4097847Idk either i believe in geno stream eventually because it's not fair neutral and pacifist get cool shining toys while Geno is left to rot in the corner.I'm hoping for UT Sans to be from 7B so the geno stream happening when the last Weird Route chapter releases makes sense.
>>4097851Because hitting his body is obviously no good if he can just outheal itKnocking the crown off is a viable alterntive to get it to stop its aggression on its own
>>4097853So let's get this straight.Chapter 1 presents you with a scenario wherein you cannot defeat the enemy by attacking. You're OK with this.This repeats in Chapters 2, 3 and 4. You're still OK with this.Chapter 5 ALSO does this. But now it's suddenly a problem, and you need to piss and shit yourself in anger over it as if Toby Fox has a vendetta against (You) specifically, out of all the billions of faggots and retards in the world.
Undertale was a love letter to JRPG fans with plenty of gags and twists to keep you on your toes.Deltarune is a yearly hate letter to JRPG fans that grows limbs, slaps you on the face and then runs away giggling like a little faggot goblin, but this is done in such a captivating and enigmatic way you are left craving for the next letter, wondering how it all coalesces into the final "Fuck You"
>>4097851You need to grasp this, there's a difference between being forced to do something and a choice not being viable. You CAN make a fight where sparing is the only option without being preachy about it, K Round is one of those fights. You arent being denied your agency by a choice not being viable. Ralsei isnt healing K Round to force Susie to spare, K Round is simply too good to be fought head on like that and unable to be reasoned with (Warned) because of the control crown.Flowery is not equal to this, the only reason you cant fight him is because you are being told not to. He doesnt have a healing factor you cant outpace, nor some anti-everything shield, you just are not allowed to fight him with violence. You can keep saying these are the same scenario, you are free to plug your ears and go "LALALALALAL CANT HEAR YOU", that's your choice, but it doesnt make it not the truth. These are two different scenarios. If Flowery just couldnt take damage because he had a dome over him in the light world that was preventing him from actually getting directly hit, that'd be perfectly acceptable
>>4097854I'd honestly argue that the act only fights work best with k round and jack, where the checker doesn't want his crown off and you trick him into knocking it off or knock it off yourself, or with jack where you have to use on of your other abilities to weaken his dark maze powersOr with Rouxls kaard who can just stop you from fighting or moving at all with his cardsThe music guys fight I don't really like though because you do have the attackpower to knock them out but just...dont
hey guys the post count is the year undertale came out thats neatwait... FUCK
Nobody below this post is allowed to criticize Deltarune or tob unless you've finished any projects related to it lately.
>>4097862you mean like making a fan game, or playing one to completion
>>4097850he literally made a post in his social media saying>It's the 11th Anniversary of UNDERTALE. >After the super high-effort event of the 10th>This year I slept in.>Thank you everyone for caring so much about my game. It makes my dreams better.such blunt dry words, such a smug way of saying this shit, as if he knows that his fans will suck him off and ignore this blatant carelessness anyways, this fucking dog
Oh boy it's time for an anon that fucking hates Toby Fox to psychoanalyze Toby FoxWatch out everyone, this only happens dozens of times a thread
The geno stream is happening for the LV19th anniversary stream, trust the process
I don't know how you can interpret the final tragedy as anything other than something bad happening to Noelle considering how much Kris does to distance her from events and the fact that Susie wants to prevent it, we know she wouldn't care if it was Kris because he's just a tool to her like the soul is to him
>>4097866We will all be dead by the time that happens.
>>4097868Only adds to the immersion
>>4097863I mean like CoL lol>>4097864Doesn't say anything about ass scratching, so that was just you imagining a guy touching his own ass because you are a homosexual
>>4097867You know i would have taken you seriously if you didn't show your seething for Susie at the end.
>>4097851same as >>4097856but also, you can technically outdamage his heal so i know its not impossible per say, plus it was start of game tutorialshit so at least you could justify the yellow painting there.the sweet cap'n cakes is more offensive but then again, you got the ch2 weird route to super make up for it so it isnt that big of a deal, plus they were so forgotten that the game itself neglected them, so they got fucked over anyways.anything else is not justifiable through, chapter 5 goes so hard on this forced spare bullshit that you even get an invincible shinonbeetle encounter with healing milk bs
>>4097157i wonder why she's not into shotas
>>4097873She's a lolicon.
>>4097873...whadya mean "not"?
Weird would be cooler if the game acknowledged you started the route without playing Mantle first
>>4097875She likes to watch lolicon hentai and self-insert as a loli
>>4097852yeah I was thinking cause like it sounds awesome but I already didn't think he'd do anything crazy right after the big ol' double digit anniversary. sounds like something he'd do later..., though that's not a guarantee either.like yeah yeah>just because it sounds cool doesn't necessarily mean it's truebut at the same time, it would be pretty cool
>>4097878The game would have no way of knowing if you played on different PC/platform before, or if you used a guide.
>>4097871I was serious at first until I decided to toss that in. Either way it's just yet another unconfirmable throwaway theory for the pile.
Do you guys wanna hear my theory about how Kris and Lancer are the same person in some formThat's as vague as the games own plot, I just mean I can draw so many fucking similarities between them that they have to be intrinsicly linked in SOME way. Lancer is Kris' ideal self, Lancer has his original soul, he's just simply Kris if he was allowed to talk and not be the main character, something. I refuse to believe they dont have an important connection
>>4097852>I'm hoping for UT Sans to be from 7BUT Sans is from both A or B, specifics depends on your choice.
>>4097881It could just be a line from Eram in 3 like saying how you already seem to be doing something similar to the game in real life. Your argument is like if I said UT has no way of knowing you did Genocide on PC if you're playing the Switch version.
>>4097880It would be so awesome...It would be so cool...
>>4097886Eram already have Weird Route-exclusive line
>>4097885I think Sans being from Side B is cooler.
>>4097890If you played Side B, then Sans is from side B.
>>4097883>Lancer is Kris' ideal selfFat, ugly, and retarded?
>>4097883Aqua has more connections.
>>4097888You're right, doing one more is asking too much.
>>4097893Both have connections. And Jevil. And like half of all darkners.
Stronger than you (Vessel response)
>>4097892>>4097893>They're both blue>Cover their eyes majority of the time>Eat weird things they find in nature (Moss/Stump Salsa)>Want to be friends with Susie>Act overall mischievous and love screwing with people>Try to work with someone more evil than them and looks up to them>Dog imagery (Lancer's tongue is definitely a dog tongue)>Thanks to ch5, King could be a parallel of Asgore during the search that led to the divorce, aggressive and seemingly uncaring but still would never actually hate or want harm to come to his family>Both will likely have to fight Susie unwillingly, Lancer already has>Both have names related to knives (Lancer is a Jack card, or Jack Knife)>In ch5, Susie takes away Lancer's room to put Noelle's in, mimicing her taking the lake away from them so it can be for NoelleI could keep going, there's gotta be something up between them
>>4097896How Being In My Body BREAKS (You)
>>4097898Seth is not evil doe
>>4097900Im talking about ch1 Susie
the most optimal way to beat mew mew is by equipping AbsorbAxe on susie and have her hit Pink every now and then so that she can get some extra HP, attacking Pink doesnt affect your ability to hang out with her or anybody else, so doing this as a free heal is the most optimal way to do this fight, and you dont have to worry about having more ATK because she can't get any damage so dont bother bringing the justiceaxe in, it's unironically the best way to do this battle even in pacifist, but since players are too scared of pressing the FIGHT button, this strategy is basically unthinkable for them despite its benefits
>>4097900Seth collaborates on keeping Asgore in the false dream forever
>>4097898That's a nice theory and makes enough sense but I'm going to say it's wrong and posit that what if the game sucks instead?>end of Weird route ends horribly for everyone>Kris and Soul realize that the only way to truly solve the problem is to include Susie and Ralsei>Normal route is the actual canon route and ends in Suselle being real>Kris has to sacrifice himself in the end and always knew it would have to be this way, that's why he as much as gave everything in his life to Susie including his love interest
>>4097896>You know we made your friends all disappear>Erasing all that's left, this is why we're here>We will keep fighting, you should be dying.>That is your destination.
>>4097902>attacking Pink doesnt affect your ability to hang out with her or anybody elseSomeone did an experiment where they ubermaxxed their stats, unless it's just an automatic animation that plays when defeating an enemy you can kill Pink with an overwhelming attack stat and it says LOST although the cutscene plays normally afterwards despite some visual glitches.
>>4097902Everyone forgot about Absorb axe.
>>4097902To be fair if Im doing 0 damage, naturally I assume I will drain 0 HP. Its not a pacifism thing exclusively
>>4097907probably because people don't pick it up due to being all like "eww, a weapon that requires me to f*ght my recruits for HP? no way! ill just sell it to afford the D$10000 donation to get the goldwidow!"
>>4097908damage doesn't actually change how much HP susie's attack gives her, she still gets 29ish or so HP from attacking Pink regardless
>>4097909I say this.
>>4097907I blame the old man cause the FUCK you mean 2hp
>>4097909Who the fuck doesn't keep at least 1 of each weapon/armor/item?
If Gerson looked through the Shadow Crystal would he become like the Sound of Justice?
>>4097915It will turn out that everything Gerson is teaching was actually wrong just to survert the old character teaching trope
>>4097741>>4097743>>4097747Chapter 5 retroactively ruins chapter 44 didn't answer a lot but I gave that a pass as I thought "this chapter is the beginning of the end, who knows what crazy consequences will come of all this"The fact that none of that foreshadowing mattered (because 4 and 5 were switched in development), 4 ends up feeling like you could've removed it entirely and nothing would have changed
He's still going at it with that theory?
>>4097925All of 5 happened because of 4's character developmentNot our fault you fell for Susie's LARP when she's the prophecy's greatest soldier
>>4097928all 5 needed was one (1) singular scene of susie showing she was worried about the prophecy and coping hard to stay positive, but nah, it feels like 4 didn't happen at alleven alvin just brushes off the church being destroyed as if it was nothing, and that is the one time anything is acknowledged
>>4097929The ending scene of 4 is literally just that you dumb fucking speedreader
>>4097930it isn't presented with the urgency it requires, the ending of 5 is just mixed signals all over the placetoby vagueposted too much
>>4097774This honestly bothers me, Maddie likely watched Kris grow up and now wants to ACTUALLY KILL HER because, what, she tries to take away her toy?I feel like it was a big missed opportunity to have the characters at least somewhat acknowledge this being the first time a lightner knows it's not a dream and still fights to the death
>>4097923Toby does not have the balls to do this, it's unironically too subversive and Gerson acts as an author avatar too, so he won't make him be wrong.
>>4097898>>4097883I think it's more that Lancer is just a character Kris made back when she and Noelle played together.>Noelle is afraid of Santa Claus>Lancer's evil laugh is him going "hohoho"I could easily see a young Kris teasing Noelle with something like that
>>4097929>>4097930>>4097931You'd think Susie'd be at least a LITTLE paranoid that Knight, someone she doesn't know the motives of, someone who actively antagonizes her, might have a vested interest in kidnapping her new girlfriend.Not once does the concern come up in Chapter 5. Probably because if she reasonably worried about Noelle getting kidnapped, she might start asking too many questions that allow character reveals and meaningful story progression to take place before Chapter 7.Fuck, she doesn't even seem to think about it when she brings up "this can't be an us thing anymore" either. She's ACTUALLY too prophecypilled to fucking care.
>>4097919People who want dark dollars to pay for items because they get hit by attacks a lot
>>4097921He would make a joke or something>>4097928Lol4's act makes more sense if Ralsei uses fire first in 5 before 4
>>4097902When MewMew's hitting for like 60 damage an attack, the AbsorbAxe is a trap, you just gotta finish the fight as fast as possibleThat's why I don't get the people who say the GreenApron is meta. How often are you really defending in these kinds of fights?Nah it's>YellowHat>BlueShoes>SethSpecsall the way
>>4097938Yeah the fact he just randomly uses it then and in chapter 5 freaks out about not wanting to use it is damning evidence they got swapped>We could've had FireShock a chapter earlierIt's so disappointing to think of what could've been.Instead it took until Chapter 5 to finally get a new spell worth using
Why would Toby even swap it assuming it's true.Because he's evil and hates you?
>>4097932Maddison is just crazy and assumed they were there to take his new body away. It's basically a rehash of Spamton NEO's motivation.
>>4097938>>4097941Considering he references Jevil even if you've never fought him, and seemingly knows what happens in the Light World during the Weird Route to be relieved that Kris didn't get taken to 7B, I can't even say that's narrative retardation on Ralsei's part.There's a chance that's him literally going full meta bastard to read the stats and recognize that Aqua's attack stat is higher than Titan's, so with a Cutscene-no-Jutsu modifier that knife shuriken was probably Knight-tier in danger but with none of the restraint Knight shows, at least in his perspective.
>>4097935Why is Kris so fucking evil?
>>4097946He's a rowdy boy, boys show affection to girls by relentlessly teasing and pranking them.
>>4097941I firmly believe that almost every problem I have with this game could have been solved by the team locking in and just making 2 through 7B before releasing the game.
>>4097943likely due to the split of the chapter releasesremember the game originally was supposed to come out in one package, then split between 3+4+5 and 6+7, and now it was 3+4 with all others coming later as they get readyfeels like toby swapped 4 and 5 then so that people didn't get 2 "fun" or "filler" chapters back to back, he said that he really wanted to avoid releasing chapter 3 by itself for that reason
>>4097948All Toby had to do was get an actual team after Chapter 1 ASAP, especially a project manager, stick with GameMaker instead of shitting around with a new engine for however long he did before ultimately going back to GameMaker anyway, and we'd probably have the full game by now.Sure, he wouldn't have nearly as many ebin high budget "HOW'D HE GET THIS GUY/STUDIO?????" meme moments, but he'd have an honest game.
>>4097943I see it like those "season premiere" climaxes in tv shows where they have a big moment then dial it down until the season finale buildup. Basically instead of going full throttle from 5 through 7B, he probably assumed 4 ended on a heavy note and that 5 was needed as a breather arc which works sometimes but in this case it just deflated all the tension to the detriment of the story.
>>4097947He's a criminal.
>>4097952>t. spamton
>>4097945Maybe but I think you thought about it more than the devs
>>4097949>>4097950Hindsight is 20/20 unfortunately, maybe this will be a good lesson for his next game.
>>4097953He's a CRIMINELL.
How does Flowery's conflict with the heroes even work in a world where chapter 5 comes before chapter 4?? Flowery's whole ordeal about subverting the prophecy and challenging the heroes makes no sense if you don't know what the prophecy is and are under the belief that "following the prophecy" just means "stopping the roaring".>B-but Chapter 4 has more HYPE MOMENTS and AURA!!!Speedreaders man.
>>4097957>if you don't know what the prophecy isChapter 1 though
>>4097936shes not prophecy pilled if she wants it to be 4 heroes
>>4097957Flowery makes no sense to be all about subverting the prophecy if hes part of the prophecy
>>4097961Ah yes, remember when Ralsei was about to explain the final tragedy of the prophecy to you, but he got interrupted by Lancer? Good times.
>>4097964when is ralsei going to explain that by the way
>>4097954That's the fear huh?Does Ralsei remember previous timelines where Kris may have used pirouette on Jevil at the right time to summon the bird or is it just an inconsistency?Is there lore behind Ralsei knowing what color flowers are in Asgore's shop despite never having been in there or is it an inconsistency?Does 11th Anniversasy mean anything or is it just a typo?My trust in the writing has been broken so I don't know
>>4097963You can be apart of the prophecy and also challenge it. The weird route already confirms this.
>>4097965All of the three heroes except (You) already knows what the last prophecy is, and Ralsei doesn't want to tell (You) anything but the bare minimum.
>>4097964Oh so 4 explains the tragedy then? I guess we really did learn something then.
>>4097965They were going to in chapter 5But then something terrible happened
>>4097971>TOBY FOX SHOULD TELL ME HOW THE GAMES ENDS RIGHT NOW
>>4097968Same time as 7.
>>4097967It's time to accept that Toby is jjust genuinely dyslexic.
>>4097968then there is no prophecy if no one is actually trying to play it outits like if there was no master sword wielding boy named link and zelda was a nobody instead of the princess descended from a living goddess and no one was there to stop ganon from taking over and keeping his power forever
>>4097975jjust?
>>4097973Why did Toby Fox tell Susie how the game ends then
>>4097957easy, it was added at a later time when chapter 4 was mostly done first and they could start working on chapter 5 afterwards, they prob had a different storyline at the time
>>4097973That's not how the game ends since Susie will avert it and it doesn't need to be a spoiler, the other panels weren't too revealing so the last one could have been a hint without giving away the full picture.
Flowery told me what happensBut I dont feel like sharing itFallen star... oh it fell...Ive said too much, good bye
>>4097970Fuck that.
>>4097978Oh, i was arguing with this specific schizo? Kill yourself.
>>4097983>"TO SAVE THE WORLDS, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY">WORLDSworlds
>>4097983Where the fuck is the balance in that.
>>4097986none, the super roaring happens
>>4097985Yeah, light and dark.
>>4097980>That's not how the game ends since (HEADCANON)
>>4097982
>>4097987Shouldn't it be called the silencing if it's the opposite of the Roaring.
>>4097662We're only on /vrpg/ because we're banned from /v/, but UT/DR are truly games that are anti-(J)RPG at heart. Which make them both RPG games with hints of bullet hell and platforming, and also the worst at you would expect RPGs to be. I was intrigued by the demo of Undertale from the get-go because it looked like the kind of game for people tired by the repetitiveness of JRPGs, which is totally what Toby felt when he was making the game: https://meloshantani.wordpress.com/2013/05/25/toby-foxs-undertale-dev-2-dev-interview-1>Why did you want to make the Undertale in the first place?>Toby: I love JRPGs but I am very, very tired of “traditional” ones.
>>4097989You're in the headcanon thread, bub.
>>4097992>hints of
>>4097979>Actually, the central conflict between Flowery and Ralsei didn't exist.???
woa
>>4097997ERAM and Ralsei are similar in the way ERAM and Gaster are similar. They have clear parallels between eachother but they aren't the same person.
>>4097990Marigold did this
>>4097991Should be called the snoring because this vagueposting is putting me to sleep
Do people in this thread even know what vagueposting means.
>>4097995the central conflict wouldve been something else, anon
>>4098001Then why do you stay up all night posting about it?
>>4098005We're clearly past the point where you ran out of arguments, and you'll just start making shit up from here on. So i'll end it here.
>>4098006because i'm asleepand you're in my dreams
>>4098004Vagueposting is when the game isn't done yet.
>>4098008Good, then I can steal your watch
Ohhhhhh Kris and SusieThat TERRIBLE darkness beneath the town
>>4097710>How would you react if Deltarune turns out to be a simulation? Hometown is entirely simulated.This question about Last Thursdayism is coming back again and again, it's quite an interesting one but we may never get an answer for it in the game.I like to think of Hometown of a photograph, a clone of a real town in New England that would have been raptured, isolated from the real world to Deltarune's Light World and its inhabitants turned into monsters (except Kris, who's not a human in the real world, but a vessel or a concept for a video game character). Remember the camera in chapter 3's second board game and how things captured by the camera would turn into something else on picture. It's kinda similar to what would have happened to real world's Hometown.>Toriel is trapped in a hardcoded loop, waiting for a son who was never compiled and never truly went to college.My theory is convenient, because it means the memories of characters in the Light World have a connection to the real world, but don't make sense inside Deltarune's world. If Asriel truly stayed in college when Hometown was raptured, then he doesn't exist in Deltarune, and yet Toriel is still expecting him because her memories of the real world are still there.
>>4098004well, it's quite obvious what vagueposting is, right? it's... well, does it even need to be said? it's obvious that it doesnt require an explanation! not that you would want to know anyways... oh, the horrors! the origins of the word vagueposting are so horrifying! so world-changing! the mysteries among such tragedies, it's truly a shame that THAT had to happen! and yet, despite the deltarune fans' adamance against why that day's events shalln't be mentioned, it's for the best, that they don't know why tobias refuses to clarify, it's such a tragedy...!
Post your favorite "with lyrics" UTDR song.
>>4098014Of course it'shttps://youtu.be/8FcVuETJos0But this is a good second placehttps://youtu.be/tyiCQyJIsKUI can't stop hearing the damn lyrics whenever I play this game
>>4098011This isn't even vagueposting since it confirms the existence of the Depths. Did you want Flowery to say something like:>Susie...... Kris.... watch out for the DEPTHS ROOTS SHELTER HELL WORLD'S EDGE BENEATH THE EARTH..... >...for... W.D. GASTER IMAGE_FRIEND ERAM GONER 11 MONOCHROME VESSEL DESSKNIGHT lives there...... and they'll->*dies*
>>4098016Oh shoot not TV time, I meant this onehttps://youtu.be/UyUlIqeyAgs
Oh Vessel...those terrible adventures...
>>4098014this flower man with (more) lyrics coverhttps://youtu.be/-SAqLFjrPq4 old versionhttps://youtu.be/2ZSn1GgDIIY new version
>>4098014Not my favorite, but for whatever reason this meme version has gotten stuck in my headhttps://youtu.be/W17i54FKZCY?t=10
Thought's on Dess' guitar as a darkner in chapter 6?
>>4097613People will see this and still deny Kris Slash in Chapter 3
>>4098017>we flowers can feel what other can't>something terrible happening under the townI wanted to know the ''something''
>>4098022Fun adventures are over, Anon. You need to stop thinking in terms of quirky darkners.
>>4098012It'll be like Logan's Run with Hometown being the only safe place surrounded by a genocided hellscape
>>4097929But Susie is fucking coping hard with how much she's trying to be "the girl" who's supposed to be in love.
>>4098025>expecting the darkners in december's room being anything except extremely depressing to look at
>>4098014https://youtu.be/_II-sx-Qi3E?si=WhKw6NYb-YoKOjVC
>>4098022It'd be funny to have a callback to the sweepstakes where Susie asks the guitar for the code and DessGuitar just opens her mouth and "1225" is written inside
>>4098027Is she? Because everything is purely happening as a result of having asked Noelle out yesterday before she ever saw the prophecy
>>4098023Kris got one arm, Knight got the other. Knight attacked to get him out of the way, Kris was just pissed off and fed up with Tenna who he hates more than anything. Complete coincidence that they did it at the same time.
>>4098027She doesn't have to try, the prophecy even took Noelle away from you and gave her to The Girl in your Kriselle route.
>>4098017I'm not the whiner Anon that's been whining for months in those threads (the guy is annoying), but it IS vagueposting, Jevil literally said the same thing all the back in Chapter 1:* YOU'RE FAST, FAST, STRONG, STRONG.* BUT THERE ARE YET FASTER, YET STRONGER.* THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD.* SOON, THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS...* LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT?
>>4097745>and more cultural impact than Dragon Quest.toby fox has more influence in japanese culture than toriyama?
>>4098035She is, now Susie doesn't have to doubt herself and wonder if she's in love or if Noelle is in love. It is decided that they're in love so that's what Susie leans into. After all the prophesy can't be wrong.
>>4098024Sorry now the game is over and you'll never know.
>>4098036>'the family is finally back together' is what sealed tenna's fatemakes sense, honestly
>>4098039>toriyamaWho? Anyways, yes.
>>4098026>the only safe place surrounded by a genocided hellscape*cough cough* 7B/73
If there was no chance anyone else would find out about it and you got to stay straight after, would you have sex with Ralsei?
>>4098037Kriselle Route?
>>4098045I'll ask him to shapeshift into a woman.
>>4098043that's a wild take, anon. by the numbers it's also completely retarded lol
>>4098044>73/74 theory...Why would the weird route take place before the normal route???
>>4098049And yet I'm completely right roflmao
>>4098051yeah the retarded do live in delusion, im aware. have fun with that lol.
In retrospect I suppose it was always a silly idea, but I really thought we would get a newsletter.
Which one?
>>4098053always hopemaxx, anon
>>4098054I like both, hard to choose. I feel like right would be a bit more gentle when molesting Kris though.
>>4098053We got some twitter posts, it was more than we got for the 3+4 first anniversary
>>4097710Depends on the execution but after 5 I do think that it's likely it's a Gaster simulation where he made the world using Undertale stuff which is why Hometown has everyone from the underground in it.
>>4098059man humans just too op
I do believe in the simulation theory but I do feel like it's also somehow at odds with Toby's autism regarding lightners as >>4097721 says. There might simply be another explanation for it though, who knows.
>>4097823That was a very fast thread for literally no news.
>>4097784Device sounds likelier than it all being simulationAnd Noelle's NPC rant being kinda a red herringI kinda hate the idea of "noelle sees she is sprites in meat factory and freaks out" like it would even phase someone who already had their psychotic break at that point beyond "knew it" type reaction or such. It being that it is a device and the deltarune is 'real' and there are consequences from breaking the prophecy that corrupt stuff is my hope personally even if it is just something like how chara kills everyone if you do pacifist after genocide... but I dunno what they are going for with it honestly. Eggs seem to already break the device 'issues' wise.A bunch of stuff that'll probably only make sense in hindsight.>>4097791OFF influence has me wondering if 7B will have purified world type of feel to it, especially with the grey goner town foreshadow. Or 5B having "happy town" as a sound track name which I have no idea how someone can say gaster isnt relevant when they literally name a track the same thing as something heavily gaster connected in undertale.
>>4098050It doesn't, both routes occur in parallel. But WR allows you to overcorrect what NR was leading you towards (a "new" outcome) and relive the events of a previous playthrough, albeit in another temporality.
>>4097876The fact she canonically doesn't like Frisk proves she isn't a shota.
>>4098065I think it's extremely likely that a good chunk of 7B is gonna take place in some goner area, yeah. What I am not sure on is if it will take place entirely in that area, I personally don't think so.
>>4098065But like the whole theology of hometown's religion is hard determinism encoded so it feels like having this be something internalized and believed by light worlders has me feel like the twist being "it is a simulation" not land as it seems everyone kinda already thinks they're NPCs on a predetermined simulation path?Like it is a repressed agency theme more than a "theyre just NPCs and dont know it" theme between ralsei's arc, asgore and noelle changing soul colors and the conflict saying "you cant change who you are" in a way basically daring the player to try to prove it wrong.So hard simulation just doesnt feel right to me I guess. Doesnt rule it out it just doesnt sit right to me.
>>4097774Is there one setup in her fight that isn't convoluted as fuck? She herself starts rambling about her "feline web" and whatever.
>>4097943The only "proof" a swap has is the fact that in Undertale, Alphys says that in Chapter 4 of Mew Mew Kissy Cutie everyone goes to the beach to eat ice cream, which only happens in Chapter 5 of Deltarune.
>>4097785Wishful thinking like trying to find Lost Girl or freedom motif in Black Knife>>4097794It's not like they also don't ignore the whole "Asgore and the ghost might have an interest in each other" thing the chapter itself set up in the light world>and an interest in knivesSigh, and to think this whole thing could have been flower Chara/Frisk instead.
>>4098014https://youtu.be/4WQyBHdcTdY
>>4098022Not happening, the Dark World will be in the hospital.
>>4098066>and relive the events of a previous playthrough, albeit in another temporality.And you're basing this off of... what exactly?
>>4098074Proof? All foreshadowing points so far points to a dark world in Noelle's house.
>>4098072She is flower Frisk/Chara though, just not as obvious as the others, that's why she explicitly mirrors you and Kris, too.
>>4097865tobasco was clearly molested in the basement
>>4098076ch 6 sounds like it'll be too short for that.Ill be annoyed if the crystal payoff somehow isnt in it. Hoping it has the secret 'all 5 crystals' boss people expect and any cliff hanging is after the pure crystal is got and only getting to use it in the last chapte.r
>>4098080>Ill be annoyed if the crystal payoff somehow isnt in it. It's not gonna be in it. At best you'll be able to get it but not be able to use it until 7. The Shadow Crystal quest is the ultimate secret of the normal route, you are not getting the full payoff before 7.
>>4098080SHORT RELATIVE TO WHAT MOTHERFUCKER.
>>4098076Not really, all the foreshadowing implies it will be about Rudy and I don't see they moving him out of the hospital.
>>4098060I'm hoping it confirms UT as the sim.
>>4098022>* The Knight is definitely a dusty guitar!
>>4098084Surely its not too hard to envision a scenario where Rudy gets sent to Carol's home?>Everything important... she always...>... keeps locked down at home.
>>4098070That's just a reference to her using Muffet's tea
>>4098045I'd take advantage of this as long as he is the doormat faggot from 2 to 4 and not the whiny bitch from 5
>>4098082Relative to what?Undertale?Ch 1?Ralsei's cock? What?
>>40980825
>>4098077she is a random midboss from ut
Maybe all the darkners are fragments of Gaster and dark worlding in general allows him to return as aspects of himself in darkners, bringing everyone to castle town being his plan to gather them all and reform himself
>>4098091Yeah, you can't really definitively say how "short" it is, especially saying its so short that it would have a smaller dark world than chapter 1.>>4098092Which... was stupidly long... So that doesn't really mean much...
>>4098093>midbossIsn't she postgame? So she's kind of like the true final boss which makes sense since even Asriel wasn't invincible.
Ch 6 probably still likely would have a boss and a secret boss (the dapper of the 5 crystals) along with whatever it is Toby said will be clarified (maybe knight identity reveal cliffhanger, but people thought 5 would have that too lel)
>>4098099I'm not saying I wasn't looking forward for a Seam battle, buts it's not the same appeal as having to dig up shit to get to Jevil and Spamton and meeting them for the first time.
>>4098075Mantle (the "Original Game"), Skies Forever Blue, unused Noelle's equipment text, Side B save slots, text for using Shadow Crystals, the Forgotten Man and his eggs...
>>4098104>unused Noelle's equipment textThat's for Chapter 6
Predict the final dark world of either route.
>>4098099Chapter 6 will be a giant microphone secret boss after a fetch quest with the trio. Did you rike it?
>>4098104>Mantle (the "Original Game")Which isn't a previous playthrough, and if anything would represent future playthroughs from the perspective of a blind player.>Skies Forever BlueThe Itoki hana collabs aren't 1-1 with what happens in the game.>unused Noelle's equipment textGEEZ I SURE WONDER WHY THAT EXISTS? MAYBE BECAUSE SHE'S CONFIRMED TO BE A PARTY MEMBER FOR CHAPTER 6???>Side B save slotsThis exists for 7B exclusively, and we can pretty decisively conclude theres not a 1B-6B from the sweepstakes update.>the Forgotten Man and his eggs...The Forgotten Man is directly associated with THAT HORRIBLE DAY, which was not in a previous playthrough, or any playthrough for the matter.>text for using Shadow CrystalsThis doesn't imply anything actually playable, only something that could have existed.
>>4098085Gaster came from Undertale so that's unlikely.
>>4098111>which was not in a previous playthroughTechnically it was in Kris' playthrough
>>4098108Shelter dark world for both.
>>4098111>SHE'S CONFIRMED TO BE A PARTY MEMBER FOR CHAPTER 6When was that confirmed?
>>4098093She can be both.
>>4098115Hello Retard. Did You Play Chapter Five.
>>4098112DR has taught me the less likely and more disappointing a prospect is, the more likely it is to happen in the game.
>>4098117Kris will spirit her away to ensure she stays far from the action. He probably went to tell her to hide in any shower since that's the last place Susie would look.
>>4098117Susie planning to invite Noelle isn't confirmation she'll be a party member. Not even a confirmation that she'll be there at all.
>>4098119>>4098120>Actually Noelle has no importance to the Noelle-centric chapter where Noelle is invited into the Fun Gang, and she won't do anything.Now i get most of you are doomerfaggots arguing in bad faith but can we be serious here.
>>4098121No, I want to keep doomposting in bad faith. Let me have this.
>>4098121I asked you for a confirmation, not your headcanon.>Noelle-centric chapter>Noelle is invited into the Fun GangWhere is that stated?
>>4098121Doomposters were the most right about 5 therefore it is safe to say their predictions will be the most accurate for 6.
>>4098125I've been just staring at this post completely dumbfounded for several minutes. Even in the context of this post being bait im totally baffled. What?
>>4098131Did you learn nothing about patternfagging for the last 4 chapters?
You can take Hometown Massacre from my cold dead hands.
Well?
>>4098138Yes.
>>4098138How did we get here?(This is not my beautiful house/wife)
>>4098133the only pattern is doom
I like Swap AUs.
>>4098143They basically don't exist for Deltarune.
>>4098145We have Soulswap, the other Puppet and one Swap Au that has it's name as the anagram of Underswap.
>>4098148What the heck is Soulswap?
>>4098149Kris and Noelle Swap.
>>4098132>vibe theorist FLABBERGHASTED at a simple request to post proof to his claims
Can monsters even handle the soul
>>4098151hello flowey, how's your lack of soul going?
>>4098152Yeah.
there has to be a way to make loading threads this big, not such a pain in the ass
>>4098017That's just Ramb's style of vagueposting. Actually elaborating is better than what we got.
>>4094821whats this
what if gerson wasn't a dustner but was just the gerson we had in undertale's darkner form?
>>4098165Our phones and computers weren't build for this.
>>4097968>apart ofSusie ITT.
>>4098014Only this AI cover of Flower Man. It used to be on YouTube, but it was removed, so I asked the creator for a copy.https://files.catbox.moe/tf88a1.MP3
>You can't even say stop like you used toIs he stupid? How do you write this and not expect Dess groomer theory?
>>4098174I don't think he's mad about the sexual themes when he went out of his way to fill the WR to the brim of them
>>4098174Even based on Chapter 4's ending being about Kris's promise means Tony knows there's an element of grooming here, just not sexual
>>4098151This is a post so masterfully retarded, with so many layers of retardation i don't even know where to begin.>Something explicitly said by a character, then shown being organized all in great detail doesn't count as proof of statement>Calling me a vibe theorist when 5 replies back i was arguing with someone genuinely arguing there would be a NewGame+ that took place before the events of DELTARUNE, where noelle would be a main party member and Snowgrave everyone based off of a non canonical music video with loose conceptual parallels to the weird route>Making a statement by a chapter that is repeatedly reinforced by the game with actual on screen events, foreshadowing and a consistent pattern set by the last three chapters is "vibe theorizing" with no proof>But also, dismissing onscreen statements based on nothing but vibes doesn't count as vibe theorizing.This doesn't even scratch the surface regarding to the sheer retardation insinuated by this post, let alone what i cannot pick up on. Genuine masterwork. I don't think i will ever see a statement so confidently retarded for quite a while, which is to say the next 30 minutes given the state of these threads.
I missed posts for 2 days.What are the new theories?
>>4098182>onscreen statementsPost at least one statement that CONFIRMS - not implies or gives off vibes - that Noelle WILL be joining the party in chapter 6. You have to learn one way or another that "it's logical to assume" and "it's confirmed" are two different things, might as well start right now. This is why all your theories are always wrong.
>>4098183https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvupweIpPc
>>4098182If we follow your logic, Asgore should have been the Chapter 5 boss based on the information from Chapter 4. Same thing, the Knight is then Dess. Since you state it with such certainty.
>>4098184https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JfnD2L73LI&t=69s
>>4098183There aren't any new theories, just the usual CoL stuff.
>>4098187It's the opposite actually.
>Theres literally nothing saying the smiling TV at the end of chapter 2 is going to be important. It's just a red herring that doesn't mean anything.>No, you can't come to an obvious conclusion. It needs explicit proof.>What? The Spamton Sweepstakes ARG has proof of it being important? And theres been repeated foreshadowing that the TV is an important character?>That uhh.... doesn't mean anything.>I was wrong about Chapter 1's ending meaning being that Kris got possessed by Chara, therefore all foreshadowing MUST be wrong!!
>>4098188This is not confirmation my guy. This is Susie saying shit. This is called an assumption. Don't mix them up next time buddy.
>>4098121I get it, I get it. If Susie can get bit by the "I don't care about anything else" bug, then surely Noelle can be too, and she'd much rather have wholesome chungus lesbian fun times instead of staying at the hospital so she can be there with her beloved father in what are most assuredly his final dying moments.
>>4098192Is it not an assumption to be saying Susie is lying for no reason?
>>4098191Chapter 5 spat in the face of the Ralsei of Chapter 1 who, after King, learned that kindness won't always be viable and may in fact even be detrimental.
>>4098191>Mike is gonna be so important guys, Spamton and the ARG says so! Probably the most important lore piece we have right now.>It's gonna be all mafia themed and Tenna is gonna be a mafia boss, you heard Spamton calling Mike a criminal and there's a screen in arg where you shoot mafia guys! It's obivous!>Yeah of course Kris is the Knight, you SAW him make the fountain dude. What do you mean it's not confirmed, it's right there and it's very logical too!
>>4098191People said the TV was going to be Satan incarnated, which wasn't true at all.
>>4098195It's not an assumption to be saying that Susie doesn't know if Noelle will play ball at all. She assumes that Noelle will immediately agree or that she'll even have a chance to invite her. That is why it's logical to assume that Noelle will be a party member, but it's not confirmed that she will be. And an assumption can't be used as evidence in an argument. That is the difference.
>>4098198>Can't wait for Toriel to FIREGRAVE everything! This chapter's geno route is gonna be so lit!
I never understood how people thought Tenna would be outright terrifying, I never read the spamton sweepstakes things but I thought the goofy fuckoff grin I saw at the when of chapter 2 implied that at the very very worst he would act like some smug edgy vivziepop character
>>4098200Since foreshadowing, basic reasoning and onscreen statements count as meaningless, and you shouldn't say something unless it has a 100% chance of happening....Then speculating anything about Deltarune is pointless. Your post included since it is also an assumption.I suggest maybe you kill yourself at the nearest convenience instead of continuing to post in this thread.>>4098198>>4098201None of these are equivalent to denying something stated and shown by the game explicitly. Instead i suggest you are still assmad, over a year later, that your prior assumptions for Deltarune were wrong. And you've decided to vent your frustrations by lashing out at anonymous posters on a vietnamese spearfishing forum.
>>4098204Because they thought Mike = TV due to being highly presumptuous of dialogue without fully understanding what's being conveyed, and Spamton said "THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL!!" immediately after "...Mike..." and he also kept referencing the TV character contemptuously in general, so OBVIOUSLY we need to take this schizo man at face value and assume that the TV is going to be scary and "seriously" evil because we just had King get retconned to have been bluffing and "under the Fountain's influence" and Queen was too goofy.
>>4096584Object history seems to mean that the objects themselves remember stuff that happens to them, which is what characterizes them when they become darkners. The reason it's important to Noelle Knight is because there are a shit ton of darkners that are hyper specific to Noelle's and Kris' playdates when they were kids, when the dark worlds should have references to lots of Hometown residents if the memory thing is true. This might mean that what characterizes darkners is actually the person making the fountain, kind of like them programming them in advance with their personality and knowledge the same way you would NPCs in a video game.
>>4098191There were people like this after 2 came out, but they weren't fully wrong when Mike was indeed a joke
>>4097447Even without Weird route, Kriselle fanart is the best.
I had a nightmare last night that Papyrus was the Knight and now I'm feeling paranoid. What if it's true? What if Papyrus is the Forgotten Man? What if Papyrus is Gaster?
>>4098211He's still not really a pure joke even if the Mike Trio exists, he could be a genuine hint towards what's up with Dess.The game is so riddled in vaguepost and uncertainty and metafuckery that it's a viable belief that Dess never actually existed, and that she's just a collection of memory across Hometown's residents, because the Light World, being another layer of fantasy and fiction to us and Gaster, means it could have the same Last Thursdayism rules as Dark Worlds where it can fully fabricate history and context for Darkners as if they'd been existing for months or years in that state, even though they only just gained sentience and started existing as Darkners in that very moment, and that Mike is a parallel to this.Which is especially the case because both Pippins and Asgore go mad trying to figure out what the fuck happened to their respected missing person of interest, even down to making conspiracy boards for it.
>>4098214>What if Papyrus is GasterNow you're getting it>Knight Gaster>Forgotten ManAlso Gaster
>>4098205>onscreen statementsAll we have is Susie's statement that she wants to involve Noelle. This is not the proof that Noelle will 100% join the party in chapter 6. There is no explicit statement that it will happen and I can come up with half a dozen possible scenarios that could prevent Noelle from joining. Are you telling me that you can't? None at all? No, of course you know this perfectly well. And yet you don't care about what's true and what's not, all you want is to be right, and you will continue posting anything but direct proof that is asked of you, because it doesn't exist. And that's why you'll always be wrong.
>>4098180I do find it interesting how deltarune threads get deleted but NTR threads on /v/ stay up
>>4098204It was just taking Spamton’s dialogue literally plus people thinking 3 would have a mafia theme and he would be a crime boss.
>>4098204I loved the evil TV host murderbot schtick Mettaton had and was disappointed when it was all in-universe pretend. I thought I'd finally get that for real with chapter 3 with all the gangster and ominous teasing.
>>4098218>you will continue posting anything but direct proof that is asked of youProviding more evidence won't do anything, as you have already made up your mind to dismiss anything that is shown to you. If i showed more subtle foreshadowing you would ignore that aswell.>I can come up with half a dozen possible scenariosNotice how you're saying "scenarios" and not "screenshots showing evidence suggesting that this could be the case"? Post evidence faggot. You talk about evidence but you don't have any evidence for anything. Why can't i simply dismiss everything you say based off your own logic?
>>4098226People wouldn't be quick to dismiss anything stated if Toby didn't literally lie about who the Flower Man was. You break people's ability to trust the game, you break their ability to theorize or speculate because anything could be revealed to be completely incorrect.
>>4098204Taking Spamton as literally as possible and reading jazz as being specifically associated with gangsters was the main basis of that "theory".
The MAD thing about Pink is that, in isolation, it is one of the most fun fights in the entire game, but with context is one of the most baffling and nonsensical ones.
the next code should be 3112
>>4098227Oh i see, this is just some faggots routine where they post about how toby raped them. Great.
>>4098228>one of the songs he spoiled early was a sneaky jazz song>the gangster looking enemy was heavily promoted in the teasers>once again he released another sleazy jazz song and a variation of it in his bsky shitposts (alongside a spooktune cover)>random enemies being crooks for the chapter boss was a recurring thing in 1 and 2
>>4098226I don't need subtle foreshadowing, I need something that directly confirms that Noelle will be in the party. All you can produce is a "maybe".>You talk about evidence but you don't have any evidence for anything. Because I'm not claiming anything as a fact. You are. Your claim is that the hidden Noelle equip texts are there because IT IS CONFIRMED that she will be a party member in chapter 6. Not "it is likely" that she will be. Not that "we can assume" that she will be. Which would be reasonable. No, you're saying that it is confirmed. And this needs something more than just assumptions, but we don't have that.
>>4098231How am I meant to trust any text or scenario in the game if it can be subverted in a future chapter? Why speculate when we're now objectively working with unreliable material? If he can use Ice Wolf to lie about who the Flower Man is, what else is he lying about that hasn't yet been revealed to be a lie?
>>4098233>doing this over symanticsKill yourself.
>>4098235*Semantics, whatever.
>>4098235I'm doing you a favor. You'll never learn how to stop getting raped by Toby if you always assume your vibe theories are 100% correct because of shit like "subtle foreshadowing".
>>4098214Papyrus being the Forgotten Man has a lot of evidence for it though.
>>4098234>Why speculateBecause it's fun.
>>4098227Asgore being the Flower Man never made sense when Queen wasn't literally her car and Tenna wasn't a literal screen. You fell for a red herring. Also don't trust a irrelevant npc like Ice Wolf.
>>4098242So if he's willing to use red herrings to misdirect people, then nothing is reliable or trustworthy because anything could be revealed to have been a red herring all along.
>>4098237I don't care if my theories are wrong. Faggot.And on the topic of semantics, thats not what a "vibe theory" means you RETARD.
>>4098237All theories are vibe theories because Toby could reveal something that was seemingly well-established fact for the past 5 chapters is actually completely wrong and it was a misdirect this whole time.
>>4098243Yes, navigating this minefield and trying to figure out what could be real and what's a misdirection is the best part of it and it's what keeps this fandom churning constantly.
>>4098242Should we trust Jack's boards?Should we trust the ribbick flavor text?Should we trust the kissing Sam cages?Should we trust punishment cage B pippins?Should we trust Shuttah?Should we trust all the church cultists and philosophers?Should we trust Lancer talking about the Egg?
>>4098243>then nothing is reliable or trustworthy because anything could be revealed to have been a red herring all along.Correct.
>>4098246Sounds more like Toby is having fun watching us flounder and suffer while he smugly sits upon his throne with such statements as>Personally, I really don’t read or watch theories. That’s because I already know what my game is.While simultaneously making it clear he does read and watch theories because the Mike Trio exist and are written specifically to dunk on people who were wrong about their theories.
>>4098244If you didn't care you'd simply admit that we have no factual evidence and we would've moved on. Seeing how you argue I don't believe that you actually don't care.>>4098245True, this is why claiming that something that isn't backed by actual facts we see in the game is "confirmed" is stupid.
>>4098250There are no facts though. With how many reveals are being backloaded into Chapter 7, you don't know anything about anyone or any elements of the story.Even the supposedly immutable prophecy could be a lie too. Nothing is confirmed until the game is fully over, and even that runs risk of being unwound by whatever lore reveals come from the third game that tie back to Undertale and Deltarune.
>>4098249Fan content. He watches fan content. Back during chapter 2, enough of the fan content was Mike-based that Toby became aware of the theories without trying to learn about theories. That is what the Mikes were commenting on.
>>4098249>flounder and sufferAre we though? I don't think I'm suffering too much. It's cool to imagine things but in the end we have to accept that the answer to everything is we just don't know for sure, so every theory and prediction is a resounding maybe until the game is over. The only people who are suffering are the ones who take their theories extremely seriously as if they're betting real money on them.
>>4097990this is what he is wearing moments before unleashing the 12 inches on kris and susie btw
Despite everything, I still enjoy the way UT foreshadowed things and how that made its world feel connected and living. Just wish DR had kept doing the same.
>>4098256UT's foreshadowing was in the same place as Deltarune's, you just have the benefit of looking back on it in full.
>>4098254>so every theory and prediction is a resounding maybe until the game is over....Until UNRELATED, which will invariably uproot our entire understanding of some characters, just as DELTARUNE is uprooting our understanding of Sans, Gaster and maybe Papyrus.
So we're starting up this shit again. Awesome. I sure love discussing the same 4 topics in a loop forever.You need actual reasoning to suggest that something is a red herring. You can't just say that everything said in the game is meaningless, and leave it at that with no further argumentation.
>ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN>DARK DARKER YET DARKER>THE DARKNESS KEEPS GROWING>THE SHADOWS CUTTING DEEPER>PHOTON READINGS NEGATIVE>THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT>SEEMS>VERY>VERY>INTERESTING>...>WHAT DO YOU TWO THINK?Deltarune is just an experiment.
>>4098254What is the point in hyping up a potential super Asgore fight AGAIN and then have it never happen AGAIN?I'm not even saying the game owed me that fight or whatever, but it could have just put a flower in that prophecy and not try to trick anyone.Not usually mentioned, but all Gerson's chapters were generally accurate to what happened EXCEPT for the one that was upcoming.How many times does this shit need to keep happening until you admit t it's annoying as fuck?
>>4098252In general yes, I agree that nothing could truly be taken as a fact. We know some things that in short term that can be accepted as facts because everyone in the game accepts it as a fact. For example, that the prophesy is absolute and can't be changed. Can we possibly imagine that being a lie? Of course. But we don't have a proof yet. So for now we are forced to accept that Deltarune's world operate on the basis of prophesy always being true and real. We can then use that as basis for other assumptions and theories, while keeping in mind that the prophesy is vague as shit and parts of it are lost and it can be a fake one and so on. But in order to agree upon something for now we have to accept it as a fact. That's how I see it. Big cosmic facts that are unknown for now vs. short term facts we can agree on for now.
>>4098247Yes.Yes.Yes.Yes but only in reference to Vessel and not Weird Route MaybeNot really No
>>4098260So what do you want to discuss instead?
>>4098257Remember when Undyne was actually a spineless weakling, MTT meant nothing and the security cameras were never addressed it n the game? Remember when Flowey revealed he was actually Togore the whole time and Asriel had just died?
>>4098262>hyping up a potential super Asgore fight AGAINThis never happened. The game never hinted at a fight at all.
>>4098262>but it could have just put a flower in that prophecyAsgore was literally holding it.
>>4098247No x7You can't trust anything. Not until the game's over. But don't trust anything about Gaster or the skeletons even after the game is over because then UNALTERED could come along and say "all your theories are wrong goodbye" about them.
>>4098152ch5 has the soft implication that monster souls either work very similar to human ones in dr, if there's even a difference anymore
>>4098267You will keep playing dumb forever here because the other anons are too pussies to pile up on you for your bullshit
>>4098268And Ice Wolf called Asgore the Flower Man. So the flower was there because Asgore is titled the Flower Man, and it would be strange if the Flower Man did not have a flower.
>>4098269I know this is a joke post but this is uironically my mindset.
>>4098262It's gonna happen in 7B though.
I trust Lancer with my life
>>4098271Are you that retard that thought that a file name = fight? You got told last time and you're getting told again.
>>4098274>* Mike will definitely be in 7B!
>>4098265I'd LIKE to discuss the chapter 6 but every time i bring it up people just find a way to loop it back to the same 4 topics. Watch, someone's gonna do it right now.
>>4098274You don't know that. Hometown Massacre could just be a glorified cutscene because Vessel/ERAM/Gaster/Chara/etc. could pull another "since when were YOU the one in control?" and then go on a oneshot spree without your input or any fun gameplay or battles, and all the battles for 7B are just against generic Darker Than Darkners and Titan Spawn.
>>4098276worked out for tenna and queen
>>4098256it's less egregious when it's all presented in a completed package, not with multiple year long gaps between each instalment
>>4098278I'd love to talk about it AS LONG as it isn't laser focused on the shithead teen protagonists
>>4098276>boss1 is about Queen, featuring her car>boss2 is about Tenna, featuring his screen>boss3 is about "The Flower Man", heavily featuring Asgore himself, who was previously called Flower Man by Ice Wolf>"DURRRR YOU'RE RETARDED, OF COURSE THE FLOWER MAN WAS ACTUALLY THE FLOWER HE WAS HOLDING, THIS WAS VERY OBVIOUSLY FORESHADOWED, YOU JUST FELL FOR A BLATANT RED HERRING"
>>4098258kris is a boxers or bust kind of girlmaybe she'll wear the fancy stuff on a special occasion
>>4098281Nope.Forget Mike, "Bluest Flower" didn't even try to wrap around that by having the flowers acknowledge being watered with holy water.
>>4098274What, you trust some dinky old video game?What's next, Mew Mew 2 cause there were two pink cats?
>>4098283Watch out this same faggot come here in 2029 to say "OF COURSE GASTER WASN'T A THING! YOU'RE A RETARD WHO CAN'T READ!!!!!"
>>4098285anon i was talking about ut's pacing, not deltarune
>>4098266And all of these would be equivalent to what within Deltarune? "Mike wasn't a gangster criminal TV"? "The Roaring wasn't anyone's actual objective"? These are things people complain about being "faked out" on that I never fell for in the first place because the game didn't fucking imply them.
>>4098283>>boss1 is about Queen, featuring her carSays nothing about fighting her. And you don't fight the car.>>boss2 is about Tenna, featuring his screenSays nothing about fighting Tenna. And you don't fight the screen.>>boss3 is about "The Flower Man", heavily featuring Asgore himselfSays noting about fighting Asgore. And you don't fight him.Where is the "hype up" again?
>>4098274Anon hometown massacre isn't happening. It's not something that makes logical sense at all.>>4098282I don't get it, aren't all the chapters centred around the shithead teen protagonists?
>>4098289Then you probably replied to the wrong post there.
>>4098292>boss1, relating to a character you fought>boss2, relating to a character you fought>boss3...?And before you pull the "filenames mean nothing" card, please, PLEASE, P L E A S E remember datamining is literally encouraged, because there's an entire side story revolving around the UNUSED character unfolding chapter-by-chapter that you can only read by datamining, as well as secrets you can only find by datamining, like the muted guitar sound.
>>4098293They hardly did anything in 2 with the side characters constantly shoving themselves in the spotlight, to great results.
>>4098295>boss3, relating to a character you foughtAsgore and Flowery are both the Flower Man. Both of them are trapped observing the world from tight constraints. Both of them are sources of inspiration for the other flowers. Flowery is in the prophecy panel.
>>4098279I doubt that, Mantle says otherwise.
>>4098296Well if Noelle and the rest of the Holidays count as side characters then you're probably getting your wish here.
>>4098296>uhhhh actually chapter 2 wasn't about the protagonistsSpamton was only so good because he connected with Kris, if the main characters were a complete afterthought like you're implying chapter 2 made them he wouldn't have landed half as well and you know it.
>>4098299You don't know what Mantle actually means. Please don't be a presumptuous ass about things that have yet to pass or you'll end up being a part of the next Mike Trio humiliation ritual because Toby "I don't read or watch theories" Fox will find it especially funny about how wrong you are.
>>4098302If you don't infect like a third of all fan content with your "theory" you won't get a Mike moment.
>>4098300>Noelle and CarolOh, so it'll be melodrama over Carol being the stereotypical homophobic bitch mom who doesn't approve of Noelle's relationship with Susie, which needs to be the centerpiece of the conflict because she was totally absent from Chapter 5, I.E. not wacky fun like Chapter 2.
>>4098300Noelle had about as much screen time as Berdly there and she was at her worst fucking possible when Susie was the subject.>>4098301Absolute shit taste. I'd play an entire game about Spamton regardless of Kris being around.
>>4098299I'm still under the belief that 7B is represented by the second game and the third game is the twisted route. The starting area of the third game doesn't have any continuity with the second game at all, and the area game 3 takes place in has alot of features that could come from the Holiday manor dark world.
>yeah man you aren't supposed to take the prophecy panels literally>what? no the prophecy panel for the second hero is clearly susie, it can't be noelle, where are the antlers, the shape doesn't match
>>4098295>boss3...?Depicts Flowery, a character you fought.>UNUSED characterBonus lore for flavor. Meanwhile a filename is not something you just add to the game for datamining reasons. It has a practical and internal meaning. Are you gonna bring up krisisnotsafe next or something?>that you can only read by dataminingYou can see the prophesy panel with your eyes without datamining.
>>4098303There were that many crying about how they missed Hat Ralsei? Because he not only took a potshot in Chapter 4, but multiple times again in Chapter 5, even down to literally using Ralsei as a mouthpiece to go>"Oh, the RALSEI NEEDS A HAT thing again, huh!?"
>>4098307Wake me up when the Twisted Route stops stealing from the Weird Route.
>>4098307The good thing about chapter 6 is that it will finally reveal if the twisted route is real or not and we can finally stop having this conversation.
>>4098121The only reason why i don't think Noelle will be a party member for 6 is because i think they are lazy to make two scenarios for NR Noelle and Aborted WR that wants to cast sneedgrave Noelle, why make different scenes when you can just not show Noelle at all lmaoFor 7 sure, it's the big chapter
>>4098312>Deltarune>actually revealing anything before Chapter 7The existence of the Twisted Route is not the "one thing" that Toby will clarify, he wouldn't put that out in the open in a newsletter.
>>4098310Yes.
>yada yada predictability makes a story badevery day I feel more like making turtle soup out of that tolkien wannabe
>>4098295>>4098298as stated before and earlier in the thread, toby actively wanted players to assume that the next boss would be asgore thanks to ice wolf calling him 'the flower man' earlier in the chapterpeople can try and cope or say whatever they think about how it was actually supposed to be interpreted, but the fact of the matter is that toby deliberately tried to misdirect people with that panel specifically
>>4098316Gerson BROKE you.
>>4098313This, she'll just get caught by Carol's Darkner goons who have the mission of "protect and preserve Noelle at all costs" and we won't see her until we reach the boss, then she'll have her melodrama moment with Carol, Carol will realize she was wrong for getting in the way of TWUE WUV, and then Carol gets kidnapped right after giving Suselle her blessing and approval.
>>4098305I feel like the conflict with Carol is going to end up secondary, or atleast secondary to what people actually care about relative to the inevitable loredump about THAT DAY and Mike and the Forgotten Man and the PurifiedCrystal and ROOTS and the DEPTHS and etc.Theres also the possibility Carol isn't the final boss at all and the endgame location is the basement, something i've theorized about.>>4098314You've been BTFO'd on this... how many times now?
>>4098315>pisses me off by making the cute catgirl kiss the player character instead of his fatherunbelievable
>>4098316>doubt and irony are poison to a story >toby prosneeds to make ch5 full of doubt and ironywhat did he mean by this?
>>4098314I mean if in chapter 6 you don't get the twisted sword, or you get it but you can't genocide hometown, then I would assume people wouldn't start saying it would somehow happen in 7.
>>4098320Chapter 6 isn't Chapter 7, it isn't yet time to care about the actual main narrative. Chapter 5 cared more about Suselle, so Chapter 6 will also primarily care about Suselle, and Carol is Suselle's #1 enemy.
Carol is the Knight.
>>4098319This, Carol will just be chapter 6's Asgore, perhaps with less vagueposting if we're lucky.
>>4098310He noticed how many fanworks still had hatsei yes.
>>4098318That subversive can go fuck himself.
>>4098317Misdirections are fine. Insisting that Toby personally changed the plan because you fell for a misdirect isn't.
>>4098325Then Kris gets cucked out of his own conflict as it becomes "Noelle's homophobic bitch mom would literally rather cause the apocalypse and kill everyone than allow Susie to date her daughter".
>>4098322It means he lied. He can literally just lie now.
>>4098324Yet somehow did nothing to stop the cucky lake sceneThis story doesn't make sense anymore
>>4098331wtf what a hack
>>4098324>it isn't yet time to care about the actual main narrative.To quote the newsletter you love to doompost about:>I’m sure everybody is eager for DELTARUNE to start directly tackling the main mysteries of the game. Me too!It is, literally stated by the author to be "the time" to care about the actual main narrative.>so Chapter 6 will also primarily care about SuselleWhy would it be the MAIN focus?On the topic of Suselle. It's an actual element of the plot to be addressed. You can call this hopium but i'm still under the belief it will be in a pretty rough state by chapter 6.
>>4098333sorry mate the ancients who wrote the prophecy are degenerates who like homosexuality, matters more than anything else
You know, /utg/ doesn't have assblasted schizophrenics like we do that pretend Toby personally hates them.
>>4098336Dont sell it to kids then. Don't write it like you're selling it to kids
>>4098337Go back to /utg/ then
>>4098278FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS, HUH???
>>4098311You skip ch5 crystal and that brat Eram mentions Kris being interested in them, it has to lead onto something unless you get the 5 crystal in 7
>>4098337You can just go back if you want to ERP about railing Trans Man Spamton's literal man pussy while Tenna jacks off in the cuck chair, y'know.
>>4098341I mean, there's a chance we get them in the depths.Or when we go back to Flower Kingdom.
>>4098342And miss my favorite schizophrenics whine about Toby raping them? No way.
>>4098335>>I’m sure everybody is eager for DELTARUNE to start directly tackling the main mysteries of the game. Me too!He could be joking. Just like how he joked about how he definitely doesn't read or watch theories, yet the Mike Trio exist, who are direct responses to theories.He also said to "not worry about the pacing until the end", which implies the story will not get its shit together until the tail end of Chapter 6, meaning the bulk of Chapter 6 will be fixated on Suselle relationship drama so the dynamic can have actual conflict and friction, as Chapter 7 will need to focus on the main story at hand, including FINALLY telling the player basic information like the motivations of our protagonist and antagonist, the last tragedy, who the Angel is, what happened on THAT HORRIBLE DAY, what happened to Dess, etc. etc. etc. that there simply won't be time for relationship bullshit even if Chapter 7 ends up being the longest chapter in the game just like MOTHER 3.
>>4098344Why would there be a fifth shadow crystal in Nowhere, (Which ISN'T THE DEPTHS BY-THE-BY) and why would you then be able to teleport back into Hometown somehow, walk into Seam's shop and get him to make the PureCrystal?
>tfw i unironically believe in femkris at this point i started theorizing about it with anons last year, mostly because it was a neat idea and pissed off the selfinserters but now i legitimately can only see kris as a girl, every little bit of flavour text we learn about kris only strengthens my feelings on the matter
>>4098347Because anything can happen. You don't know what's going to unfold in Chapter 7B, and no one's been able to accurately predict the trajectory of the Weird Route as a whole.
>>4098348This is how we get you. Chapter 6 will have another FemKris truthnuke btw.
>>4098346Hi, Toby Fox here. I brutally raped this guy at an Undertale convention in the sweltering summer of '16, and told him that no one would believe him.Since then, i've been gangstalking him and have been writing subtle clues and hints in my games to remind him that i hate him personally. You're welcome.
Weird Route is the ultimate in the sense that it's meant to be played after the Normal Route, and specifically the Normal Route after getting all the shadow crystals. That's why you can completely ignore the shadow crystals and the eggs, because they don't serve any purpose where you're going.
>>4098351i mean i've been on this train since june 2025 but actual belief didn't start until later
>>4098350>Well uhh.... *starts making shit up*So how hometown massacre not just fan fiction?
>>4098352who is the rapedthe cycle of hussie must always have an heir
>>4098353I don't see any motivation to do either because of how the normal route is goingWeird route only
>>4098356lol i forgot to remove the name>>4098353The weird route is the "means to an end" which is why i believe that there's more than one route. If you kill everyone for no reason, then there's not really any point to that is there?
>>4098356Mantle is the lord and savior of Hometown Massacre.
>>4098353This precisely is why I don't believe in the twisted route because it would be extremely weird for the weird route's final message to be "yeah so do all that shit again but this time stop at chapter 2 aftert you get the ring or at chapter 5 and let Noelle and Kris drown", and I don't believe for a second ANYONE would naturally do the twisted route first. You'd notice the weird route existed, went through it through it's natural conclusion, and only then you would start thinking "ok but what if I stopped it midway".
>>4098360Explain the connection to ROOTS in the third mantle game.
>>4098356Toby... where is my newsletter, you hack?
>>4098362Roots because the final boss of Mantle takes Place in the Shelter which leads underground.
>>4098353i think the ch5 aborted/ drowned route might be more important than we suspect you can have all the crystals on that route, and noelle is mostly aware of the situation despite still on the locked course maybe her and kris don't literally break their way out of the game, but simply being aware that the have some great power could radically change things from the normal route
NOTHING CHANGED.BECAUSE A NOELLEIS JUST A NOELLE.
>>4098346>he definitely doesn't read or watch theories, yet the Mike Trio exist>>4098253
>>4098272It was a flower that was in Jackenstein boss maze.
>>4098372Where's the Titan or TV in the boss maze?
>>4098365But... the manhole dungeon takes place before you enter the shelter. So you're basically saying it doesn't mean anything at all, which is a bit strange since the ROOTS have been foreshadowed since chapter 2.
>>4098299I don't like what it means so I will pretend it doesn't mean anything
>>4098348Same here. Noelle was into girls even before Dess's disappearance, and Kris is Noelle's first crush. Noelle, the lesbo, likes Kris. Kris is The Girl from the prophecy wielding the sword with the heart symbol in her chest.
So why is Ralsei so feminine? What is the thematic purpose of him wanting to be a princess?
>>4098376The Manhole dungeon is also entered by going through a manhole which leads underground, hence the name roots (who are underground).
>>4098380Shipbait, theorybait AND headcanonbait all at once, to distract people from speculating about shit that actually matters, like the fact Ralsei is more than likely the Gooey (Kirby) of Titans.
>>4098380does he want to be a princess? iirc his wording is more that he wants to try new things and that he'll be one if it makes kris (you) happy
Regardless if you think it's the weird route of the twisted route, Mantle 3 makes no sense unless you involve time shenanigans, the events shown cannot happen in post chapter 3 Hometown, you are missing Asgore and Undyne.
>>4098387Asgore can simply not be kidnapped since Kris never made the fountain.
>>4098387Yeah, that's why my theory is that it's a copy of Hometown. It's one QPU over and stuffed with Goners.
>>4098344Even if we get it, since we are now evil, we would need to go back in castle town and force Seam and the fusion guy to make the sword, actually that would be coolAnother thing is that you can skip the crystals and continue the WR, this is one of the reasons why the theory existsHowever i 99% believe that we will need to fight Flowery because the prophecy needs to happen no matter whatAt worst, the sword is a meme and only changes one cutscene lmao
The player's in-universe motives for the weird route are pretty easily deductible.>You want to change the rules of the DEVICE.>You can't change the rules of the DEVICE while inside the DEVICE.>Therefore, you must go outside the DEVICE.This probably means 7B will permanently change the game and unlock things normally inaccessible. (represented by the metaphorical SHELTER KEY in MANTLE.) Which makes additional routes possible. I don't see why it would be left with you stuck on an objectively worse ending than the normal route... other than to reheat the nachos of the genocide route.
>>4098388Who says Knight doesn't just go through with the plan and kidnap Asgore anyway? The Flower Man still needs to be trapped in asylum so the prophecy doesn't sperg out.
>>4098380I unironically believe Ralsei is both Kris fursona and their imaginary friend. Kris wanted to look like their family as little and thought about Ralsei. It would explain how Ralsei is everywhere too.Ralsei is Kris imaginary friend.
>>4098388You're still missing Undyne, unless you think the fish that takes several hits to kill in the room with the lizards doesn't mean anything.
>>4098356Toby would not say this after making board 3. Also extremely ironic you say this while shilling the fanfic twisted route.
>>4098375Titan is bishop, Knight represents Chapter 3 as they are the real final battle of it.
>>4098394this, too, is related to femkris theory kris imagined the ideal child of what her family would've wanted over her, and came up with ralsei
>>4098392And here we go again with he NG+ cope
>>4098393There is no prophecy if Susie can just say four heroes and ralsei agrees and andnralsei not suing his fire magic without anyone caring
>>4098381Hometown isn't underground though, and theres no reason for everyone in Hometown to start living in the sewers.
>>4098391we probably don't neeeeeed to fight Flowery since at the end of the day all the prophecy asks for is A Flower Man trapped in asylum. However thats fulfilled
>>4098393Because they need the soul for their plan.
>>4098387Simulacrum of Hometown in the depths full of fucked up darkness-infused Goners, AKA the Meat Factory.Tenna and ERAM both mod the Original Game to depict Light World areas, so the imagery of Dark World Kris represented by HERO_SWORD standing in a Light World area isn't just for the novelty of a mindfuck.
>>4098395If the Knight abandons it's plan there's a chance they let Undyne go. This one is pure speculation though.
>>4098399NG plus, as in minor alterations that make a C and D route possible and not NG+ as an entire redo of chapters 1-7 with Noelle as a permanent party member or whatever....Or maybe, Side B isn't even necessary and it just makes the bonus routes easier. (or tells you how to do them.) Like how the ShadowMantle isn't needed to beat the knight. IDK.
>>4098401It's not literally underground, but the Light World is a layer beneath the layer Gaster exists on, which is beneath the layer of real life.
>>4098348>>4098351>>4098378Holy retarded femkriscoomers.
>>4098408DELTARUNE WAS ROOTS ALL ALONG??!
We keep talking about the same things over and over. I think it's time to step away from theories until 6 releases.
>>4098408>Um, ROOTS doesn't mean anything you guys! It's all one big metaphor!!!And i'm the one ignoring MANTLE's foreshadowing? Also the ROOTS are literally an established concept, not relating to whatever gibberish you just typed out.
>>4098412You're right, let's go back to shipping discourse, otherwise we have literally nothing to talk about and these threads shrivel up and die.
>>4098412What else do we have.People seething about Toby?Gender wars over Kris?Ship discourse?
>>4098414>and these threads shrivel up and die.Maybe that is a good idea.
>>4098415>People seething about Toby?>Gender wars over Kris?These are theory discussion too.
>>4098412>I think it's time to step away from theories until 6 releases.I think it's time to kill every yurifag in this thread to improve the quality of the thread.
wait what connection does mantle even have with roots
>>4098385It's been made very clear he's happier when dressing as a princess. He wants to be a girl.
>>4098421Bit roots is the name for the song playing during Mantle 3 before you go into the Shelter.
>>4098421The sewer dungeon in Board 3 plays the Roots theme.Roots is inherently important to the narrative of DELTARUNE because it's literally in the prophecy.
>>4098421Queen's basement song was called "digital roots"Mantle area resembling Queen's basement's song was called "bit roots"Both are "below" the main dark world
>>4098410Let's pretend they are right and Kris is revealed to have been a hot tomboy girl all along, what would you do? Remember, just pretend.
>>4098421Carol's basement is the ROOTS. You craft the TwistedSwd on Chapter 6. The third mantle game represents the third route.>But how does Asgore relate to thatUh... I don't know. Maybe ERAM just starts creating shadow copies of people in the basement??? It's not like the dungeon actually lines up with hometown anyways.
>>4098428I'd brace myself for the predictable tragedy that Kris will offer herself up as The Girl who must die to save both worlds, because she's grown too attached to Susie to let her get killed like that, and obviously thinks Susie is a better lover for Noelle than someone like herself, who caused THAT HORRIBLE DAY and ruined everything for everyone.
>>4098423Ralsei has literally no insecurities relating to his gender identity at all, nor has he ever been implied to. He CANONICALLY wants to be a horse more than he wants to be a girl.
>>4098423he's happy that (you) gave him the option over immediately shooting him down
>>4098431I guess we can dismiss FemKris as headcanon since any insertion of it into the plot ends up being really fucking stupid.
>>4098423It's not just being a girl, Ralsei likes being non-prince things in general because he wants to explore his sense of self, and being something different is a way he expresses that.
I'm so certain that the Twisted Route won't be a thing that I won't even make an aborted weird route in preparation for 6. And no, this isn't me just trying to justify my laziness.
>>4098428>what would you do?Drop the game because EVERYTHING has become gay now. I can't take it anymore. Also, that wouldn't make any sense, since Kris doesn't have any visible signs that he's a girl, on the contrary, he looks like a boy.
>>4098434It's headcanon, but it's based entirely on all the current material we have.>all things that implicate FemKris>all assumptions about the final tragedy that currently feel "safe" to make based on how Kris acts about Noelle getting involved in Dark Worlds after Cyber World, which was very clearly made for her benefit, Ralsei praying for Susie specifically, among other things>all things that implicate Kris being exceedingly self-loathing and suicidal due to overwhelming guilt from THAT HORRIBLE DAY
>>4098429Running with the idea of shadow clones, i assume they'd be route specific. Maybe ERAM creates them to help you level up, as like a bargain.>You want HYPE MOMENTS and AURA and EPIC GENOCIDES?>Well, just follow my instructions: craft the TwistedSwd, kill your allies, kill your enemies, kill Gaster and let me take the DEVICE.>Then you'll have all the fun you could ever want!If ERAM actually said something like this i'd start kneeling from the sheer basedness.
>>4098387Everyone is moving underground once the Roaring happens. Board 3 is the sewer of Hometown.
>>4098441
>>4098442The roaring doesn't happen in the third mantle game. The walk to the bunker literally shows you in the light world. Also the ROOTS would be even further submerged in darkness if Flowery is to be trusted so doing that for safety makes no sense.
>>4098442Pure headcanon, we don't even know if The Roaring will actually happen and last long enough for this to take place because Toby "subversion" Fox refuses to be predictable.Remember that the prophecy says IF fountains freed, not WHEN.
>>4098444Argument?
>>4098441What if the entire game was based
>>4098412Let's talk about gameplay. Discuss your favorite bullet pattern.
>>4098448Eram has never been shown to be able to create "clones" of other characters. Even if they created them you wouldn't get any EXP from it since they're copies and fake.
>>4098444The entire game already sucks because it's more concerned with lesbian bullshit over basic story information like the motivations of the protagonist and antagonist.
>>4098450The Knight is really good, though the diagonal screen split attack is bullshit, and I was never good enough to dodge the swords that track you before shooting consistently, especially the variant where there's a barrier you can't touch without getting hurt.
>>4098450The knight has pretty good patterns besides the harder variant of the sword attack (not the sword tunnels) that i fucking hate.
>>4098445>The roaring doesn't happen in the third mantle game. The walk to the bunker literally shows you in the light world.That doesn't mean much. Like, the door of the shelter might be the entrance to the Dark World were ERAM is chilling.
>>4098456Dess raped this
>>4098429>Board 3 being about the weird route is le bad and fanfiction >Anyways here's my actual fanfiction explaining everything
I don't get the hate for Geno people seem to have nowadays.
>>4098450Jevil's carousel is the closest Deltarune's ever gotten to true bullet hell in terms of "bullets that have hitboxes that aren't the entire sprite" that subsequently invites the fun of understanding both those hitboxes as well as your own.
>>4098458And Noelle...And Carol...Not Rudy tho. He is a good guy.
>>4098436It's just the potential route anyways that takes things from every other route.
>>4098451ERAM can summon things (does creating the characters in MANTLE count as summoning?) even in his weakest form. We also kind of don't know any of ERAM's "feats" since he's never showed up for real at any point in time.
>>4098462it's just typical leftist purity spiralling
>>4098445Everything past reaching max level and breaking the trees isn't part of 7B foreshadowing anymore, otherwise we would kill Tenna again.
>>4098466ERAM can summon the cats, but for Mantle they just hijacked the original game Ramb set up for Kris.
>>4098469Tenna is shown to have many Gaster parallels throughout chapter 3, so it probably represents killing Gaster.
>>4098450CHAOS BOMB is still the GOAT
>>4098462Contrarianism because it was the most popular route back in the day
>>4098450CHAOS BOMB was prepared for YOU.Or Bomberman with Pink.I just find hectic attacks like those fun
>>4098462kneejerk reaction after years of skeleton wank and chara wank
>>4098462Collective shame for how the Undertale fandom was so obsessed with Sans and Genocide that literally nothing except Sans, Chara and sometimes Gaster (as a powerup for Sans) mattered to them and the entire game was effectively just background for the Sans fight.
>>4098132I think the point is that very obvious things have been set up to happen in the past but didn't, so it's still not 100% certain that Noelle would join since something could cause her to leave after arriving in Castle Town or she could start attacking people or maybe she doesn't even make it there since the person who wants her away from dark worlds is in charge of bringing her.
>>4098475No it's just a kneejerk reaction to the moralfagging during the Undertale days. Even now, people are seeing fags try to sincerely talk about the weird route only to have it plastered with constant reminders from said people that they DON'T CONDONE IT AT ALL and IT'S REALLY ICKY AND GROSS EWWWW just to get a word in edge-wise and not get dogpiled by a pack of children saying you're literally hitler for finding some amount of enjoyment from it.
>>4098191I could make a post like this but for why Asgore will definitely be a fight in 5 and we all know how that went
>>4098205>speculating anything about Deltarune is pointlessToby said so himself.
>>4098191Tenna turned out to look nothing like that smile. It was retconned.
>>4098466Another thing i'd like to add is ERAM is shown to be capable of reality warping to a pretty insane scale>Can hijack the DEVICE by intercepting the gonermaker>Can teleport the soul into MANTLE>Can damage the soul inside of MANTLE>Can summon FRIEND, something that was created by Gaster (does this count as hijacking?)>Has more determination than the soul since they can ignore your SAVE>Really just everything that happens in MANTLE after you beat ERAM.>Can talk to the player outside of the game, something only Gaster can also doIt wouldn't be totally impossible for ERAM to use their reality warping to just start creating clones of existing characters. We could even add this to the ERAM-Gaster parallels if it happened since Gaster can do this too.
>>4098487>>Has more determination than the soul since they can ignore your SAVEThat's a hell of an assumption. Where are you getting this and why couldn't it just be a Flowey situation where you still hold the most Determination but he's close so he remembers?
>>4098059I've always thought it like fire emblem, they never even got to the part where they lost because everytime a unit fell someone restarted the entire war
>>4098487>>Can hijack the DEVICE by intercepting the gonermaker>>Can summon FRIEND, something that was created by Gaster (does this count as hijacking?)>>Has more determination than the soul since they can ignore your SAVE>>Can talk to the player outside of the game, something only Gaster can also doThis is all headcanon. Don't add your headcanon to actual confirmed feats.
>>4098488You could say that, but that doesn't really disregard how much bullshit ERAM is capable of while still technically being on a lower plane of existence than even the dark world.>>4098486I wouldn't call it a "retcon" since Toby made Tenna's design before chapter 1 even released.
>>4098207>so OBVIOUSLY we need to take this schizo man at face valueHaven't we agreed that more of what he's said has come true over time? The biggest schizos in the game have always been the most reliable.
>>4098493Toby is the biggest schizo of all, but he lies directly to your face.
>>4098477>>4098479Overcorrection always kills this fandom and ruins things even further. Every single thing the new fandom is worse than the old one.
>>4098491Maybe if i was "powerscaling" or whatever the fuck i'd give a shit but these are all reasonable guesses made while talking about something extremely speculative with not much confidence. So you can fuck off.
>>4098219Only one NTR thread allowed up at a time, wait your turn.
ERAM is Kris's original soul locked inside the shelter
>>4098499eram is dess grooming kris from beyond the grave
>>4098497Chapter 5's boss is definitely Asgore!Weird Route is definitely so we can possess Noelle!Kris is definitely possessed by Chara!
>>4098499And... why would Kris' original soul be foreshadowed since Undertale? Was it really THAT important?
>>4098493Yes. None of it has come true directly. Berdly isn't a chicken, Noelle isn't Kris's side chick. You have to interpret the hell out of what he says to map it to the actual events of the game, most of the time.
>>4098259You guys would rather make up a completely fabricated game just to say Deltarune sucks than let the whole game come out so you can judge it as a full product lmao
>>4098503Wow thanks maybe next time actually say something you Faggot?
>>4098504>foreshadowed since UndertaleHuh? Are you implying ERAM is Gaster??? I don't remember any mention of a fire demon in UT
>>4098506Undetale was retroactively raped by Deltarune ruining the characters, their Deltarune shittiness bled into Udnertale canon through the Alarm Clock App, which is meant to be the canon continuation and show how the characters are living their lives on the surface.
>>4098508ERAM is definitely a Gaster-tier entity!
>>4098337Toby.........! You made me do this you subversive fuck..............!
Whenever anybody brings up Gaster I want to murder them.
>>4098514DOUBLE D GASTER IN DELTARUNE
>>4098380It's as simple as switching the masculinity and femininity between Susie and Ralsei, although the latter has been used for horny bait more than probably any other character right down to him using his feet as evidence of him being cute in a scene that I can't imagine existing if devs weren't aware of how much Ralsei porn there is
>>4098514he literally built it all from an empty room
>>4098337I see you prefer the period blood schizo and the army of ralseifag ERPing then.
>>4098387Can't it just mean everyone takes shelter in the shelter during the roaring or something then you go and kill them all?
ACTUALLY, What is the end goal for the twisted route? put aside if it exists or notThe two most popular interpretation for the Weird route is Hometown massacre and Kriselle evil dateWhere is the ''Twisted route'' leading?The only GLUE we know so far is that the sword has ''trance''
>>4098479>the entire game was effectively just background for the Sans fight.Its a real possiblity that this is actually the intention with Deltarune, that Normal Route is effectively just background for the Weird Route and Toby's fever dream to exist off of
>>4098506He could have released it as a full product and solved the problem himselfLike a good game does.
>>4098411>>4098413ROOTS actually means ROUTES
>>4098486There is like a single Tenna sprite that uses that smile, I have no idea where it was used
>>4098514Yeah when Susie asked about the Gaster sound i wanted to annihilate her
>>4098487>>4098492>>4098497>>4098499ERAM is just a random boss fight in a video game that means nothing.
>>4098530ERAM is my Flowey (I'm gonna kill her at the end of Side B)
>>4098526Wolverine released as a full product, therefore full releases are actually bad
>>4098534>whataboutismHow's Yandere Sim going? That's not a finished game either but it must be kino supremo, right?
>>4098535It has more cultural impact so yes. In fact both Yandere Sim and Deltarune are more important to gaming as a whole than Dragon Quest 7 is.
>>4098534>WolverineMore like Basedverine LMAO
Sunset of the Seven Suns > Showdown
>>4098530This is the real answer. The final boss will be an amalgamate of all Deltarune fans and Kris will beat them to death for about an hour, then the Annoying Dog will appear and piss on the corpse.
>>4098539>BasedverineTrue. Very based!
>>4098539>>4098545S o y verineFilters won't stop me.
>>4098530why does a video game thingy know about my snowgraves
If you wanna be a /v/ refugee fine, but leave the /v/ in /v/ and talk about some fucking deltarune
>>4098548Because it was made in the dark world made by Kris, who knows about your snowgraves because you used him to execute them, and he's feeling extra guilty about them since it feels like THAT HORRIBLE DAY all over again.
>>4098550Shouldn't Ramb and even Tenna also know about you're king of snowgraves THO Unless Eram is Kris guilt manifestation darkner or some shit
>>4098549I wanna fuck pink and her ghost
>>4098229I've been saying this from the start. It's a great secret boss fight, but it's a horrible last schitzo boss fight.
>>4098554Ramb feigns ignorance, just like Asgore at the end of Genocide.Tenna knows, but he was told to keep his lips sealed about it, just like how he was told to keep his lips sealed about Kris being the one to strike the deal and to pin it all on Knight.
Gee I wonder who did the THANK YOU arg.
>>4098068Obviously it wouldnt, there's also the meat factory (whatever it may be) and potentially wherever the fallen star is.The former might still be a side A feature. Im just going by "we only learned flowey's full backstory on the genocide route" for the fallen star being directly encountered on side B and it leading to finding out upsetting stuff about what happened to Dess and the extent to which the world is built atop another.
>>4098559>ramb >eram(b)ramb will show up in 7B!
>>>>>>>>>rambirrelevant
>>4098563what about romb?
>>4098564will be relevant
>>4098450I like that one encounter with Seth where she stacks 3 Shis in a way that's really hard to dodge until you spare one. I actually died there because I tried to spare them all at once.
>>4098503I didn't believe in any of these btw.
>>4098529Wasn't she talking about Lancer here?
>>4098450Jevil's last 2 attacks are undefeatedThe knight is alright I guess, my favorite is the box slice attack, and I would have liked to see the unused attacks in the fight but Toby's manchild fanbase would get filtered too hardGerson's hammer fall attack was ok, the yellow hammers were difficult for me in particularFlowery doesn't have anything notable but I did struggle a bit in Aqua's fight
>>4098572Nope, you can either use Lancer to escape or the phone and Susie will say that, so far that's the only interaction the garbage noise has
>>4098572Yeahhttps://youtu.be/xcjFfIocUyw?si=YpBKkWEkq-rmCeFl
I just wish that toby realized that these cliffhangers fucking suck and I'm getting tired of Susie being genuinely retarded.
>>4098580Sorry, he can't let anyone figure out the ebin ending to his game before he's ready to show it, so he has to keep everything as vague as possible and everyone as cryptic or retarded as possible in order to keep people guessing until he finally spells everything out in Chapter 7.
>>4098538I love dq7. Keep its name out of your mouth.
Undertale was the same thingThis is just the way Toby writes
>>4098584That's blatant cope undertale was completely and didn't have the problems deltarun6has as a story.
>>4098584I knew the core motivations of the protagonist and antagonist(s) from the demo alone.Human wants to leave, Asgore wants human's soul, Flowey wants to rule the world.I still don't know what Kris or Knight want, nor Gaster, ERAM, Ralsei, Susie, Noelle, etc.
>>4094833toby responabilities of working on ONE GAME for over a decade. he doesn't do the art, he doesn't do the code, he's outsourced a lot of the coding, genuinely what the fuck could be so important that toby couldn't be asked to write for one chapter and instead left it as fucking filler?
>>4098578Damn really, i swear you get that first dialogue after using the phone but it was so long
>>4098585Because its shorterBut its the same writing style, everything gets revealed near the very end with a few cutscenes, the rest were cute character moments that barely matter though they are fun and stay consistent despite being pointless to the whole storyAnd people loved it, so you get more of it>Human wants to leave, Asgore wants human's soul, Flowey wants to rule the world.Literally all wrong
>>4095328that already went out the window when susie started knowing more about the prophecy then we do causing her motives to feel incoherent. before she acted as an anchor to kris and ralsei's vagueposting bullshit now their all vagueposting
>>4098590Yeah but it was a completed game and didn't take over a fucking decade to be half finished and it didn't have a giant shitload of questions that get more and more glaring as you play the game.
>>4098590>Literally all wrongFrisk is only interested in breaking the barrier and saving monsterkind if you lead her down that path, by default she just wants to leave the underground.Asgore, whether he likes it or not, NEEDS the human's soul because he wants to preserve the morale of his people, who are just a cunt hair away from freedom and yearn to see the sun again, and he doesn't want to let them down even if it pains him. It's only because Frisk reminds him so much of Chara, a reminder of his greatest failure as a father and king, that he can't bring himself to accept Frisk's mercy and kills himself.Flowey might be doing all of this in hopes that Chara will come back, but he still wants to rule the world and torture everyone for all eternity in the process for the sake of his "game" because he learned that mindset from Chara, assuming that's the kind of twisted, fucked up fun Chara would like to have if she did come back..
>>4098380toby saw all the people who wanted to fuck asriel so he designed ralsei just for them with the added bonus of also making him a further thematic counterweight to susie. now idk the troons working for toby have jerked him off enough to make him think having ralsei cut his dick off would be even remotely well received by most of the fanbase
>>4098597>herIm not even going to bother reading with your bs past that
reminder that the "princess ralsei" scene is completely cockblocked if you encountered starwalker beforehand
>>4098229>>4098558I agree. She's my 3rd favorite secret boss in terms of gameplay but my absolute least favorite in terms of everything else
>>4098594The game will be like 50-60 hours at most, as far as RPGs go it would solve its plot points faster than most.
>>4098599Alphys date is a "girls kissing girls" tutorial. Frisk can't help with that tutorial unless she's a girl.Asriel mistakes Frisk for Chara. Asriel is also heavily implied to be in love with Chara ("Not in a world without love. Not in a world without [Chara]."). There are no toxic gay couples in UTDR, so Chara must be a girl too.
>>4098603You need to kill yourself back to bluesky
>>4098589I think it's just a time based thing and the drawn out phone stuff just fills in that time
Ralsei is better when he's black
>>4098462people are embarrassed over how the fanbase use to treat genocide as undertale's "real" plot with sans as effectively the main character and now their losing their shit because deltarune might ACTUALLY be that with the weird route and noelle
>>4098310Ralsei does need a hat by the way
>>4098604Bluesky would ban me instantly for "promoting problematic views" like because they refuse to see Frisk, Chara and Kris as anything but nonbinary. What are you insinuating, retard?
>>4098310god imagine the absolute shitshow that would spawn if toby made a scene devoted to mocking people who don't like suselle?
>>4098462>>4098607No way the modern fandom hates genocide now, but everything is so fucking gay so i believe you people
>>4098611It's gonna happen, it'll be a combo package where he lumps both the Suselle haters and the "dojo is wasted potential" critics into the same crowd. He probably KNEW Suselle would garner this kind of response, which is why ever since Chapter 4 it's been the "love dojo".Of course, the Mike Trio will be there too.
>>4097556I understand why Mikefags existed but i never got how far they went with it.The observation was "Jevil mentioned the Queen so Mike is probably going to be chapter 3's main boss" but for some ungodly reason what Mikefags got was "Mike is the true mastermind behind everything and the most important character in the game"
>>4098558>>4098601I think she was alright but lore patch made her so much better, she just needed more schizo moments like body taking over to talk with you in the shop
>>4098603frisk also doesn't kiss alphys and instead just LARPS as undyne so it also doesn't work as a "girls kissing girls" tutorial and that front either. but nah toby definitely revealed frisk's gender through an esoteric joke while also being to much of a pussy to say literally anything beforehand and frisk not actually being non-binary
>>4098600based and original pilled
>>4098380ralsei is fine with being a prince, the way he talks about wanting to be a princess sounds more like he's genderfluid than being an actual trans mtf>"i was a prince but i havent tried being a princess yet!" or something like that
>>4098615I found her bad but not offensively so. I just don't find her cool nor funny
>>4098616Frisk was never nonbinary, that's revisionism the fandom made up as a part of their old shame overcorrections alongside "Chara is a dindu", no longer glazing Genocide & Sans, and other such things, with the whole "HUMANS ARE NONBINARY, CHUD" thing being spearheaded by Shayy, a literal groomer with a pronoun control fetish.Frisk and Chara were kept gender ambiguous and androgynous for the sake of self-inserting, to help sell the twists of "you were never playing as [insert name here]" and "Frisk is her own character, too."
>>4098612they don't its just a small but extremely loud subsection thats sick of it. sans and chara are still super popular, geno boss fights still make up a good chunk of the fan content sphere and for deltarune the WR lake scene completely mogs suselles "big" moment. the masses yearn for toby to actually get dark with challanging boss fights
>>4098622the fanbase at large gets really upset when you point out shayy's impact yet they seem to have zero issue still parroting his talking points almost a year after he got ousted
Jigsaw Joe and his fellow fightfags will get the dojo back
>>4098602Yeah when it's completely finished but that doesn't matter currently because WE'RE PLAYING IT IN BATCHES RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>4098590The only thing wrong there is that Flowey wants to rule the world, when he wanted to destroy it. And that was true until the Asriel fight where he says he would rather play with Chara forever now.
>>4098599>Triggered over pronounsReddit is down the hall and to the left
>>4098604He would be killed there for gendering Frisk.
>>4098618That honestly sounds like cope. I watched the Trans Ralsei theory vids and they make good points. Ralsei is repeatedly shown to be happier when presenting as feminine.
>>4098612It's just contrarians jealous that it's super popular.
>>4098584we at least knew basic shit like frisk's motivation or why asgore killed the prior children before the end of the game. meanwhile with deltarune something has basic as "why the fuck is kris doing any of this shit" or "what the hell is a police scarifie" is considered too important for us we mortals to have a basic grasp on
>>4098622>>4098625frisk is the only character one can say for certain that they arent non binary in canon, chara and kris lived with the dreemurrs so its obvious that the characters know they'd be called a they/them (as for kris girl theory, it will shatter the fandom apart once it's confirmed), frisk is just a random nigga in the underground who nobody knows the pronouns or name of and frisk cant correct them because nobody asks them about it so the monsters just say "they/them" out of politeness and to avoid assuming shit, the only thing that the frisk name reveal reveals is that frisk's name is actually frisk, not that frisk is actually a they/them
>>4098604nah bluesky is full of troons who'd shit themselves over for daring to misgender a fictional child. tumblr's the femfrisk nutshack get your slander right
>>4098616It's a tutorial bro, it's not the real deal. It's training so Alphys does it with Undyne.
>>4098625One of the main mods of r/deltarune that enforced the Kris is non-binary thing is also a tranny groomer too.
>>4098639ok so how does it prove frisk has a pussy if its not actually girls kissing girls?
>>4098635They aren't nonbinary because that's not the Toby way, he doesn't even treat nonbinary as a real gender in his games.The Seth gender crisis scene doesn't even raise nonbinary as an option, only boy, girl, and joke options like "cowboy" and "chef", because actually acknowledging nonbinary as an option would actually segue into a very good and organic way to confirm Kris is nonbinary by having someone go "oh, so you wanna do neither, like Kris?", which in turn would mean Toby would have to give up a precious nugget of information about his beloved humie, even if it'd finally lay to rest nearly a full decade of misinformation about Kris as a character.But since that didn't happen, clearly Kris isn't nonbinary.
>>4098638Tumblr doesn't like it either nowadays, that was just the casuals that left the fandom years ago.
>>4098641i'm pretty sure they also chimp out if someone DARES criticize transei as a theory even making an exception to their retard "no misgender characters" just to allow transei
>>4098607>With the Weird Route and the SoulFTFY
>>4098641knife found in the kitchen
>>4098638That was 2016 tumblr when everyone used Frisk as a self-insert for their Sans fangirling, that era is long gone because everyone just does internet persona X Sans now, and they too were bitten with the old shame bug for drawing Frisk and Chara as girls with big tits.Japan's basically the only side of the fandom that still embraces Fem Humans without issue, because they weren't infected by the groomer agenda.
>>4098632>Ralsei is repeatedly shown to be happier when presenting as feminine.because ralsei's a femboy? gender expression is different from gender identity, you can be a boy while presenting yourself femininely, plus, its not cope when the princess dialogue sounds less like "YAYY I WANNA BE A TRANNY" and more like "but i can be your princess, kris! if you want me to be!" and "well i've been a prince for a while but i haven't been a princess yet. i suppose the only difference is how you present yourself... but it's fun to try new things, isn't it...?", and ralsei doesn't oppose nor feel strongly if you tell him to not be a princess, it's clear that this is more of a genderfluid thing where he is whatever he wants to be
>>4098642You need to be a girl to participate in the tutorial of it, duh.
>>4098643hm, i guess so, what confuses me is why do the characters call Green a girl before treating Green as non-binary
>>4098650but its not actually girls kissing girls so why would frisk need to be a girl for it
>>4098583Sorry I'll try not to mention that boring as fuck game. Dragon Quest 7, I mean.
>>4098651That was Ralsei thinking Orange was the chef and not Green.
>>4098651They don't, that's a misreading of dialogue referring to Orange.
>>4098652For the same reason you need to waste the image limit. It's not training if you don't do with the real deal.
>>4098627Why does it matter? Once the game is finished the time you wasted here won't matter to anyone.
>>4098603>There are no toxic gay couples in UTDRwhat about spamton and tenna? the fandom considers these two be couples, more specifically, toxic gay couples
>>4098657Then I hope I get my 10 years back if it suddenly "doesn't matter" anymore so I can gaslight myself into pretending Deltarune only just came out on that day after such a long, surreal wait since Chapter 1 surprised us all way back in 2018.
>>4098653I played it today, and I got more pleasure from it than I could ever get from deltarune.
>>4098645>ralsei being a troon is so shit that even redditors hated unless forced to tolerate itgod that would be so fucking funny
>>4098658Not a canon couple though. If Toby confirmed it, that'd mean he'd be under fire for saying "gays are incapable of healthy and loving relationships" because media illiterate retards think depicting something = advocating something.
>>4098661fuck yeah, anon. get those shards.
>"A friend found one of my business cards from 13 years ago"
>>4098666
>>4098665Make your jokes. The gameplay loop of getting fragments that can come in handy as far as 4 islands later just from thorough exploration of islands past and present is one of the coolest things I've seen.
>>4098666>>4098667>13 years agoSo 2014?Did Toby stop going by Radiation after releasing Undertale demo?
>>4098659You should be more responsible with your [rapidly shrinking life]. Of course it won't matter, the fact that the game is released slowly doesn't even contradict the fact that by RPG standards it's pretty average in length. If anything it feels too short for the amount of stuff it's digging through. If you play it as a whole ass game there's barely enough time to process things, so much so that Toby needed to make sure players are following the plot with pretty obvious shit being explained plainly in your face.
>>4098664ironic seeing how much this fanbase LOVES the toxic shit especially with faggots. hell suselle might actually be kind of popular if toby just embraced the "noelle wants the shit beat out of her while susie's horrified of the idea" angle instead of them just being hecking wholesome lesbians
>>4098664I'm preeeety sure that's the reason people like that pairing, kinda like how people like wr kriselle
>>4098671>>4098672Yeah, but it's OK when fans do it because it's just silly self-indulgent media for weirdos.When the actual source material does it, it's a problem, because now someone with clout and reach is advocating for such things to a broader demographic.Likely the same reason the rose got replaced with the snowflake-like fracture, if people had enough time to sit on it and realize "wait, is the scene implying rape?" then Toby would get blown the fuck up.
>>4098645apparently, female to male transei is banned in the transei subreddit which is really funny
>>4098666Number 15 Sephiroth in deltarune when toby
>ice palace maze>you can only navigate it with the white cloak>if you go without the white cloak, you get stuck there forever due to a bug, unless you "go every direction and then up">firemancer is supposed to leave the party (likely to make room for the white cloak so that you can get through the maze)normal route: ralsei leaves for CH6 to make room for noelle.aborted weird route: noelle gets ticked off and doesnt join, but ralsei still left to make room. kris and susie get stuck in the ice maze until you find the door.side B: we pulled the white cloak out of the game, ralsei and susie enter the ice maze and ralsei has to break the rules to get her out. which puts them in the same place that kris and noelle are.
>>4098674lolremember kids, there's nothing troons hate more than a biological woman
>>4098674"female" troons really don't like FTM troons or anyone else in the alphabet mafia getting attention of them. i've also seen these people bitch about how ralsei being a trans man is "really stupid" and is mainly pushed by people projecting which is REALLY fucking funny to hear from that of all groups
>>4098680femkris will spark the troon civil war that ultimately destroys the ideology forever
>>4098681nah they'll just cope about how toby's still based for making all the major characters dykes (if kris inexplicably ends up with berdly their just hc berdly as a troon). "enby" are still lower on the "social latter" than trans women so unless toby REALLY goes out of his way to shit on them he's in the clear
>>4098658They only became toxic after they divorced otherwise it was lovey dovey.
The discourse is gonna happen when Krisoul or VesSoul are made canon.Is it incest to fuck your grey creation?
>>4098678>>ice palace maze>>you can only navigate it with the white cloakThis was the lakeskip buddy
>>4098690Ew. Why can't the vessel be my son instead of my girlfriend
>>4098690No but it's problematic because it's a minor or whatever.
>>4098690At most it could be self-cest because they look similiar and maybe the goner is a copy of Kris, i doubt incest
>>4098694You will get your Gaster mandated Goner gf.
>>4098690>soulnot a character>vesselnot a character
>>4098690who said we were fucking
>>4098678cant susie break the rules again to shove 4 party members into the battle? she did it for being able to ACT, yet not for party member slots?
>>4098436I'm so certain that Aborted Ch. 4 weird will be a thing that I am making a save file in preparation for 6
>>4098690toby doesn't have the balls to make (YOU) fuck kris
>>4098673I agree but Kris and Noelle relationship in wr is kinda fucked up but people like it more than normal route kriselle, the rose situation is a bit weird because he also reinforced the Pink kisses
Gun to your head give a good reason for everything being so vague other than it being explained in later chapters and it being Toby's vision.
>>4098666toby believes in papyrus superiority
>>4098671>>4098672>>4098673it doesn't matter if most of the fanbase is full of either freaks or just don't care about toby always being 100% pc. what matters is what the handful of turbo faggots toby surrounds himself think and if there's the CHANCE he might cause a controversy. that or toby knows this fanbase doesn't care and people here are just being doomers
>>4098587>he doesn't do the codeHe confirmed the exact opposite in a newsletter.
>>4098721You will have to make hard choices and being uninformed of their true consequences is what's gonna make them hard. Not about the ending but about the cost of it. For this to work you can't know how things actually are before the last act.
>>4098590>everything gets revealed near the very endStop lying like a retard. Everyone's basic goals (except for genocide stuff) is made clear in the demo. By Waterfall, almost everything in regards to Asgore's plan and the mechanics behind it are laid out, his conflicted character is heavily impliyed, Toriel is also implied to be the queen, and so on. Only Asriel, Chara, the Amalgamate stuff and the SOUL mechanics are backloaded.
>>4098730kris working for the knight is established in later chapters, disingenuous anon
YES I venture through the DEPTHS and I will find HER
>>4098731And he is working for it because...?>le promisevaguepost and we don't even know who the phone voice really is
>>4098721The characters are keeping information from you and your quest to acquire it in time to make an educated decision when it really matters is the game.
>>4098704susie CAN break the rules, but this is because she's retarded and doesnt get them in the first place even when meta mechanics are explained to her.for example everyone else sees spikes as an obstacle that have to be solved to progress.susie just thinks "there's space between the spikes, i can just walk through them!"or with acts, others understand that they're supposed to be spellcasters while humans ACT (or lead partner actssusie just thinks "i can dance on my own! watch!!!"upping party member count is probably something that she wont be able to do on her own unless its her forcing her way into a party of kris, noelle, and ralsei.additionally, the rules exist for a reason. everyone seems to operate on a basis of "if you follow the rules we will too"flowery is what happens when someone breaks the rules. its fine while you're against people still operating within them, but once you hit someone willing to break them as well, you just die.if susie breaks the rule about party member limits then that means the enemies could as well, if everyone's just ignoring rules now then nothing's stopping 20 enemies from flooding one encounter and filling the bullet box with so much crap that attacks become impossible to dodge.ralsei would probably put a stop to "so why dont we just increase the limit to four?" specifically to prevent that from happening.
>>4098732yess anon, you will find her rotting body in the bunker dark world and she will beg you to put her out of her misery as she crawls towards you because NormalNPC broke her legs so that she wouldn't run, then you turn around and see gaster, the knight and eram staring at you.
>>4098721The entire plot and story would fall apart if Susie got a little bit of information about what is really going on too early.Only reason Berdly was allowed to be that much relevant in a dark world as a lightner side character is because he is clueless and too much of a ditz to know anything important.
>>4098738>The entire plot and story would fall apart if Susie got a little bit of information about what is really going on too earlyi love steven universe
>>4098138>We'll actually have to live with people saying Suselle of all things is a great well written ship>Its the fucking gay knights from Undertale or tranny lion and its still just as bad and jarring but this time instead of being something you just get past and ignore its a part of the main story and chapter 6 is going to be all about it
>>4098740susie after not surviving
>>4098738Incredible storytelling to have Ralsei say he'll be honest from now on in Chapter 4, making you think that maybe now we'll get some real exposition and lore outside of the forced Flashback (Excerpt) scenes, but then Susie just stops asking real questions or questions are only asked for the sake of gags.
>>4098721Kris is intentionally hiding information and also manipulating people to shut upwhy? who knows lmao
>>4098741>after much of 2, 4 and 5 were very much about it as well
>>4098744Ooohhh Anon... that horrible day Anon... everything ties back to that horrible day... the one where IT happened... the one that traumatized Noelle, broke Kris, made Asriel cry and cry and cry, and led to Dess becoming a Lost Girl... oooohhhhh... we can't get into anymore detail because that would spoil the entire story before Chapter 7 Anon... oooohhhhhh...
So this is what Sans would look like if he were human. Any thoughts?
>>4098743I have no god damn clue about how the story could possibly justify Ralsei still keeping shit from Susie after all thatNotably including knowing Kris is making fountains AND feeling unsure about it, but still playing along for some reason
>>4098736is it really retardation when you're smart enough to plow through the problems? plus, breaking the party members limit rule would just mean "oh shit i can bring in a 4th guy to the battle" for the enemies, it would just be 4 enemies in a battle, modders have already managed to code in 100 enemies on one single battle so upping the limit to four enemies shouldnt be too hard, i think, is there a reason why even titan spawns follow the rules? why dont they swarm the party with a lot of spawns?
>>4098745the key here is nobody gave a shit about suselle after ch2 and especially after ch4now people only have to care because it seems to be the main canon shipplease ignore that people are far more invested in kris and noelle's visit to the lake over susie and noelle's
>>4098736No, Flowery got fucked because Knight has no regard for Darkner or Plantner life, they don't matter to it, only Lightners seemingly need to live hence why it's kidnapping instead of assassinating people.Even if he played fair and honest, he'd still get mogged, because Knight's not gonna let someone cocky like that who knows things live to tell them beyond what little he informed.
>>4098749susie didn't ask :)so ralsei doesn't need to answer it's idiot plot 101
>>4098744asking why is pointless cause if he wanted us to know why we would've known why already but knowing why is bad so you can't know why therefore he stops you from knowing why but that leads to you not knowing why he's hiding it
>>4098749She already knows the thing he was worried about the most. What else should he say to her, sit down and talk about Gaster's pizza party unprompted? There's good odds Ralsei doesn't actually know anything about The Incident, Dess, and he doesn't know who the Knight is. He doesn't know what's up with Kris either and it's never been confirmed he actually knows about the player.
>>4098728But i wasnt allowed to make choices you disingenuous piece of shit.I was punished for literally moving left and right.
>>4098754Well there definitely is an idiot plot here, but I'm sure he'd lie on her face about this anyway.
Hold up>Supposedly, Spamton stops talking before giving out important information because Kris threatens him>But you can't actually hurt people in the shop screen?
>>4098746Ohhhh the roots... ohhhhh the childrens.... oooohhh the pointed tail
genuinely what the fuck is the point of catti?
>>4098748>Any thoughts?Disgusting
>>4098661Based insomniac putting himself to sleep with Yawn and Rest Snoreven
>>4098759(you) can't but kris might be able to
>>4098749There is no justification. Toby Fox made a shit story to sell propaganda.
>>4098762minor characters for hometown gags and to give a bit of flavor for kris and noelle's backgrounds
>>4098762Half to vaguepost about a summoning incident that might not even mean anything, half to get KEKED and you can do nothing to salvage the situation except for never interacting with her, ever, after Chapter 2, and not interacting with the bowl in Chapter 5 so she doesn't have to watch Susie and Noelle hold hands.
>>4098762Fat gag character like that persona 4 chick that breaks Yosuke's bike
>>4098667>WUZ
>>4098762Vaguepost and comic relief. The scene were she gets upset to the point of running away crying was meant to be funny, you feeling bad for her was completely unintentional.
>>4098694Because a shipper only deals in romantic pairings
>>4098772That wasn't funny, it was just meanStupid yuri cucks
>>4098759If Mew can hold Kris hand, then maybe only (you) have limitations there, also who knows if Spamton just had another schizo moment there and nothing more
>>4098772No, it's not meant to be funny, it's meant to show that Susie's losing herself and not even caring about Lightners that aren't Kris and Noelle because she's near-fully given up on the Light World after watching Drunken Whore Bitch Toriel last night.
>>4098721Drums up discourse over a longer period of time, leading to more sales. This thing is one Kriselle scene away from being a WEG.
>>4098759It's probably just a very minor meta thing from UT he forgot about or didn't care enough to do again.Though I must remark how weird the shop screens are with how the party members seem to not exist during them.
>>4098749its gonna be an elseif chain of "well you didnt ask me about it before (because the dev conveniently didnt have you question it) so..." with each infodump done in a row
>>4098777I'd light my cartridge on fire before I talked about this game to normal peopleHe made a spiteful propaganda piece and sold it to children, the fuck would I want anyone to buy it
>>4098759kris can do stuff but you cant, easy
>>4098750>is it really retardation when you're smart enough to plow through the problemsyes, because once you hit an obstacle you cant walk through (see: the closed door immediately after the spikes) you get stonewalled until you do it properly.> breaking the party members limit rule would just mean "oh shit i can bring in a 4th guy to the battle" for the enemies, it would just be 4 enemies in a battlethe problem is that three is the explicitly defined limit. breaking that at all means that enemies will as well. and unlike (you) they have infinite friends to drag into battle.>>4098753and the battle between them went the way it did because he ignored the battle system's rules.>first action was sparing the floradinn>second action was using a spell that cost more than 100TP (it was presumably prism rush)>but he also did this with fake TP>and his stats were cheated anywaysby that point the battle was just a cutscene, which the knight responded to by breaking the rules similarly.take your fight against the knight for example. its supposed to be a scripted loss, so the knight could've just swooned everyone without a fight and been done with it. but the knight still did a battle because thats just what you're supposed to do.
>>4098778that's because the characters wait outside while kris is buying shit, this is why the party members dont comment when (you) talk to the shopkeeper, they're still standing around but they arent close enough to kris to make out all the details (which is why pink still calls out susie and ralsei's ears in that one talk convo)
>>4098762provides optional vague warnings about what happened to kris's old SOUL aswell as the doomed nature of suselle. according to susellefags her job is to be a seething femcel who kills herself after realizing she'll never be a better lesbian than susie
The Legend of Tenna kind of reminds me of old school Zelda games.
>>4098780You have to shill it because if you don't you won't be able to complain about it to your friends and have them understand what you're talking about. You...do have friends, don't you?
The Monster Movie minigame kind of reminds me of Godzilla
Seriously though, its not possible that every human in Undertale/Deltarune has a detachable soul thing. It has to be a side effect of Frisk dying and getting Chara's soul, and Kris doing something. Have we seen a single regular human so far?
>>4098784The Spamton shop explicitly makes it so that they all entering together is the norm.Ramb is the weirdest one because he has no shopkeeper screen and Susie is right besides them as Ramb drops some lore bombs she never acknowledges.
>>4098787I told them it ruined everything I liked about the first game
>>4098789>Frisk dying and getting Chara's soulNever happened.
>>4098789many of them in fact!
>>4098789We'll never know because Toby doesn't like showing us humans outside of the main characters, it's just one of those mysteries we have to hold onto forever, and you've proven as such by swallowing up a Woody Theory-tier headcanon founded on a joke Toby made about Apple Girlington over a decade ago, which apparently means Frisk is literally a zombie and presumably no one on the surface questions this when Frisk returns from the underground.
>>4098782>yes, because once you hit an obstacle you cant walk through (see: the closed door immediately after the spikes) you get stonewalled until you do it properly.the solution was to destroy the door but susie was interrumpted before she could think of using rude buster to get through>>4098782not if ralsei says that the new limit is 4 fuckers, plus, if the enemies brought in infinite people then ralsei would just bring in the castle town recruits and itd become a gag "battle">>4098782>but the knight still did a battle because thats just what you're supposed to do.btw, then why didnt we get a kris vs knight solo rematch after climbing up the touhou hallway in chapter 4?
>>4098772All that scene did was show everyone involved sucks dick>Catti being antagonistic out of jealousy>Susie escalating the issue to piss her off further (even admitting she got carried away)>Noelle literally doing fucking nothing to comfort her friend or calm down her girlfriend>Kris being Kris is just being a bitch as per usual >Ralsei cause fuck him like damn I get you guys are teens but can you just TRY talk it out
>>4098796Talking things out might reveal information about THAT HORRIBLE DAY or Kris's motives before Chapter 7, no can do.
What's conceitoslop
>>4098797Who gives a shitPeople are just gonna mod the vagueposting out of the game by that time
>>4098748Fake news. Albino Gojo Sans from 2016 mogs.
>>4098799>rudy somehow still aliveWhat fucking idiot made this that thought Rudy was supposed to look like he was dying between chapters 4 and 5? Legitimately what?
>>4098790yeah, they enter but they dont listen in on the conversations, ramb's thing is not a real shop since he doesnt sell shit, there are seemingly two rules that make a shop into a shop in the deltarune world:>a shopkeeper is there>the shop sells shitin chapter 3 you see a shop that doesn't sell stuff (ramb) so he only talksin chapter 3-5 you see a lot of things that sell shit but dont actually have shopkeepers (vending machines, gerson's shop since he doesnt stand behind the counter, the flowery vending machine, green's shop seems to be more about seeing shit in a restaurant menu esque book, getting em and then paying up, than actually being a regular shop, so i would say it's more of a café than a real shop)
>>4098799taken from a reddit post about this very image>and the conceitoslop that is this made up word for in case something conceptual or unusual happened for no much reason,
>>4098790Even Seam talks about the three of them sometimes even if he is only directly talking to Kris, Pink and Ramb shops are weird because they must not be paying attention to Kris somehow
>>4098789Frisk doesn't have a detachable soul and Chara's soul was long gone. Kris is just weird for lore reasons we don't know.
>>4098800That'd require rewriting and major restructuring of the entire game since anywhere between End of Chapter 6 and Chapter 7 at large is banking massively on a fallout between Kris and Susie when he's revealed a traitor in a way she can't denial her way through.
>>4098791Are these FRIENDs in the room with you right now?
>>4098803kinda lame green wasn't allowed a shopkeeper screen to wrap up her gimmickI generally have no damn clue why tobasco got so stingy with shopkeeper screens after 1+2 had 5 of themA single shopkeeper screen across 3 entire chapters? Really?
>>4098799Almost all of this was right wtf.
>>4098759>>4098778>>4098790>>4098803Um maybe they just look around the shop while Kris is at the counter? It's not like they have to follow him everywhere
>>4098799this shit is proof doomposters are always closer to the truth at this rate
>>4098809small indie developerplease understand
>>4098799if this was made before ch5 came out, it's uncanny how on the money most of these points are
>>4098799>Its not asgore's chapter>Festival boring>Sans screentime>Book upstairs>No one taking undyne's disappearance seriously>Flowrs fumbled>Knigt sideline>Lukewarm egg room>Dess remains a background character (Discounting this one because why should she show up now)>Mood reset (HOW)>Still no clue what's going on>Kris still acting mysterious>Rudy somehow still alive (Discounting this one too)>SUSIE MAKES IT ABOUT HER (THIS MAKES FOR A BINGO ON RIGHTMOST SIDE)>LACK OF ANIMATION FOR IMPORTANT STUFF>CODES FORGOTTENWHAT? HOW? REALLY?
>>4098799>one of the only ones that wasn't accurate was Zero ClimbingGrim.
>>4098799from top left to bottom right, left to right order:>true>true>true>technically true?>true but only because we didnt get to read shitbingo on first row, probably, second row time>true>this is subjective>true>ehh, subjective, it's always been pretty simple>truedepending on what you believe, second bingo, third row time>true>false, suselle exists>free space>true>trueno bingo here unfortunately, 4th row>true>subjective cus it depends on what it meant>subjective, we dont know yet>false>idkno bingo, 5th row>true>what?>ehh, subjective?>false>i forgotno bingoits funny how most of this doomerism turned out to be true
>>4098811I mean sure, Pink talked with Kris alone while they were looking for something else, that makes a lot of sense, is just that we don't have their reactions for anything
>>4098807I dont care. Toby Fox can go fuck himself, and so can his writing.
>>4098799really sad how half of this was spot on and the other half can be argued forwe should make one for chapter 6 (confirmed disappointments like no weird route need not apply)
>>4098815I would say the flowers weren't fumbled at all and the codes were kinda important.
>>4098821>I would say the flowers weren't fumbled at allsubjective but you have shit taste for it
>>4098818Why would they react? They barely care about the plot anymore. Although in their defense, would you talk to Pink after she tried to kill you for literally no reason?
>>4098799>mood reset>Sus makes it about herKekw!
given how queen is seemingly all the mother characters in one, does this not technically count as minor femkris evidence?
>>4098821>the flowers weren't fumblednone of them will leave much of a long lasting impression like Tenna, even less compared to earlier side characters like Spamton or Lancer, and they are unlikely to ever show up again in the story>the codes were kinda importantjust barely after the whole dark world was done, don't recall susie bringing up them as often as she did in 4
>>4098822All of them except Blue were good.
>>4098825it's a carol reference
>Ralsei quieres memes predicted his fire powers
>>4098823Susie did invite her to castle town and Ralsei didn't complain, also i mean more in general, we don't really have them reacting to stuff in shops, or not? because Susie recognized Seam in Asriel pc
>>4098829Doesn't he have fireballs swirling around him even in the prophecy he tells you? If not that, then the fact that he looks exactly, dead on like a member of the Dreemurr family gives plenty of ground to make that guess.
>>4098825>does this not technically count as minor femkris evidenceFemkrisfags can twist any random fucking word to fit their schizophrenic theory. Stop stretching every word like your loose faggot asshole.
>>4098820>it's not asgore's chapteri would say that is true because he was greatly sidelined and the chapter was about flowery instead>gimmick secret boss (not rpg) this one's tough to say but i lean towards it being wrong>flowers fumbled absolutely true, the only flowers everyone agrees are good are aqua, flowery, and maybe sethmost generous estimates are 3/7, which means as a whole they're fumbled>lukewarm eggroomabsolutely true, reused room, non-unique song that doesn't even have the motif, the only thing it has going for it is the man's text when you have all the eggs and check again>bad things happen when you are meanflowers don't want to hang out is a consequence for fighting, this is true>rudy alive and not the knight we learned fuck all about the knight outside of it being able to sync up with kris' timing, technically true afwk>conceitoslopno idea what this means>susie makes it all about herabsolutely true, some of the flowers were bending over backwards to appease her>codes forgottentrue, getting the badge code was not the intention when entering the dark world and it's only revealed to have been there at all at the end of the chapter, because susie needs a reward >late 2026mid 2026, ehh
>>4098833susie doesn't have a mother noelle and kris grew up together and are seen fondly by the other's mother carol is arguably the queen of hometown, and kris is royalty too thanks to asgore and toriel being festival king and queen for years so kris and noelle could be considered the town princess' who's parents dream is to see them married to each other
>>4098603I love femFrisk a lot, but that same date also involved Frisk pretending to be someone else. Frisk doesnt need to be a girl for it to work, regardless of your choice Frisk is acting like either Alphys or Undyne
>>4098833Mindbroken.
>>4098837Obnoxious faggot. Kill yourself.
>>4098834>>bad things happen when you are meanit did say ONLY if you were mean and no amount of niceness saves Flowery so eh
>>4098834>the chapter was about flowery insteadnot even he had that much screen time, seth and aqua really stole the show there>i lean towards it being wrongI put yellow because the purple soul is quite gimmicky, but at the same time the pink fight valued turn strategizing in a way we haven't seen since jevil>lukewarm eggroomI see were you are coming from, we didn't learn anything, but I personally liked it in terms of vibes and the subtle characterization it did for the forgotten man>>bad things happen when you are meanyou forgot the ONLY, and that's barely questionable because the knight fucks up everything no matter what you do>technically true afwkthat one was the worst take on the bingo, nothing implied rudy would die at 5>no idea what this meansapparently it's like "weird concept that comes out of nowhere and isn't well used">absolutely trueI don't think it was as hard as it was during 4, Ralsei was the one getting the real scenes this time>mid 2026, ehhtechnically first half, toby was for once ahead of schedule just barely by one week
>>4098838Yep, mindbroken.
>>4098799man I wish Susie made it more about her.like, NO Susie, I do not CARE what Noelle would think about the flowers, she is not here.
>>4098835Carol wants grandchildren.
To be fair if toby ever does a gender reveal for kris, it becomes way more likely the answer is female. If it was male that wouldnt be subversive so he just wouldnt bother with a reveal
>>40987995 bingos!
>>4098843noelle will have to use her 10" doe dick on kris then
Kris is written as a boy. I'm sorry, femkrisfags, but you've been jerking off to a boy this whole time.
>>4098834suselle happens regardless of how nice you are so bad things only happening when youre mean is wrong, if anything, itd be right if it was "good things only happen when you are mean" due to the weird route being peak and not hanging out with the flowers are good things
>>4098846>femkrisfag>braindead coomerLike clockwork
>>4098847Is you the player written as a boy or a girl
>>4098830They were just being nice, even King got to come to town.
>>4098829Its fucking Ralsei. Most people with eyes knew he was going to cast fire eventually, because that's what all goats in this series do
>>4098820the book one is kinda iffy cause technically yeah it doesn't live up to the hype by not seeing it but at the same time we don't even get to enter the library so it does still kinda begs the question
>>4098825She's obviously talking about Susie and Noelle what are you talking about
>>4098845Does it actually take MORE than 10 minutes to talk to Sans?
>>4098850>claims that their parents want kris and noelle to have children>gets a response about noelle being the one with a dick>heh, dumb coomerare mkrisfags the most sensitive lot in the fanbase?
>>4098524Instead of betraying the gang at the edge of the world, the Twisted Sword snaps Kris out of his obsession with the Knight and allows him to break the promise. The sword makes it easier to destroy the Roaring Knight, with potentially unintended consequences. I think that's the outcome that Gaster is most interested in, since the RK looked at odds with his experiment, so it could be a very dreadful prospect.
>>4098832Toriel and Asgore are never seen using fire though?
Reminder: Suselle is literally rape because it is forced upon Noelle by the prophecy.
>>4098833>Deltarune theoryfags can twist any random fucking word to fit their schizophrenic theory.Huh
>>4098857>gets a response about noelle being the one with a dickAll futafags are mentally ill coomers, and that's a fact.
>>4098820If you wanna get technical, top right isnt a mark because it doesnt account for us being unable to see the books at all, so it hasnt lived up to anything yetBut I'd say the codes being forgotten counts, literally none of the journey in ch5 has focus on the codes, Susie had to be told about it offscreen and its only brought up when there's 2 minutes of the chapter remaining. Its a hastily written footnote
>>4098827>>4098834What do people have against Blue? I thought he was funny, especially with Yellow.
>>4098856it is if you arent a speed reader
>>4098855universal mother theory stuff, carol and toriel could arguably be seen as queens of hometown for different reasonskris and noelle are heavily implied to have been crushing on each other when they were kids and have deep rooted lingering feelings susie and noelle are just surface level
>>4098795>kris vs knight solo rematchWhy would Kris fight his comrade?
>>4098853Ralsei isn't Asriel.
>>4098855>She's obviously talking about Susie and Noelle what are you talking aboutYou're talking to femkrisfag. He's literally an animal. Don't pay any attention to him.
>>4098869What, because Kris told you he wasnt?
>>4098865he's pretentious, and all of his comedy is unironically too subtle to really pick up on unless you're paying really close attention how many people notice that he's a thief who steals from all the other flowers and then 'gifts' them back?
>>4098872>black character>is a thiefhmm. intriguing.
>>4098865its a gorilla in a tutu that sodomizes a cowboywould it have been that big of a deal to make the blue flower a lady
>>4098869But he's Asriel!
>>4098825>queen makes an incest joke>this is somehow femkris evidence I think this might be to advanced for me
>>4098562>>4098563>>4098564>>4098565>corrupted RAMzzzzz...>corrupted ROMALART!
>>4098863well not exactly cause remember she outright tells Kris that if the date goes well they could get another shot at the code.Remember until Flowery told her the only code she knew existed was the Holiday one, and like CH4 she put it to the side to try and save one of Kris's parents
>>4098877i may have gone too far in some places
What if Asriel got split and Eram is his evil half while Ralsei is his good half
>>4098879only for that another shot to never happenbecause toby fox is a spiteful piece of shithe literally did the same stunt twice
>>4098833just shut up anon. If you want people to stop memeing about femkris please stop biting the obvious bait
>>4098874Making him female doesn't automatically make him a good character.
>>4098882I mean that shot is probably coming in Chapter 6. Really the issue now is who has the Delta Rune code. They could've tried to learn something in the Dark Sanctuaries, especially from Gerson but that probably didn't cross their minds
>>4098885too late to matter after the damage has already been done and the game can literally make any excuse to do this again and again and againA good game would not do this.
>>4098884Would be slightly better.
>>4098879>she outright tells Kris that if the date goes well they could get another shot at the code.Which is forgotten and never brought up again, not even a little "Damn... we're not getting back in there today then are we?" when she finds out Noelle is gone.>until Flowery told her the only code she knew existed was the Holiday oneShe knows there's multiple, she says such in the church. She couldve had a throwaway line at some point like "Hey, Kris... your dad used to be police chief right? You think maybe..." but she didnt, because the chapter doesnt actually care about treating the codes like a real plotline
>>4098799>this was made before ch5 came outGRIM
>>4098889CoLrune WILL have the game bring up that Asgore is police chief and that they can go and ask him after the festival.
>>4098890This means statistically, the doomposters are the ones most accurately predicting the story
>>4098888Not really.
>>4098890funny how the title is "obnoxious bingo" implying that they thought none of it was gonna happen either lmao
>>4098894At least one isn't an offense on my eyes and my brain.I know what kind of voice comes out of the original Blue, and I will never do that voice and read those lines. Ever.
>>4098889susie didn't know asgore was police chief, she refuses to enter the cop shop in ch2if she did know, she would've asked asgore about it in ch4 when she saw himthat would ruin the plot, so toby made it so she didn't know until he decided it was time for her to get the code
>>4098892I hope he does actually finish it, I'll play it day 1 if he does. I played Deltatraveler, he CANT do it worse, and if he does that in of itself is impressive enough to warrant the playthrough anyway
>everyone I don't like is CoL
>>4098865he’s BORING. All the flowers besides flowery are one note so Blue’s not going to be winning anyone over with his nuances and outside the Mr. Butterfly gag hes not funny since all the obvious jokes you could make with him would probably be too offensive for this fanbase. He’s just “the wise black gay man” which is boring he feels like a tumblr oc
>>4098889>She knows there's multiplesorry I meant more along the lines of it's the only she knew the location of find at time of Chapter 5. >throwaway line I don't think she knew Asgore used to be the police chief prior as she because she notes that Flowery told her this alongside the location of the code.>because the chapter doesnt actually care about treating the codes like a real plotlineyeah that's kinda just been consistent with her since Chapter 4.
>>4098902its not boring, its revolting
>>4098850>Noelle being impregnated isn't coomershit somehow.
>>4098859Play Undertale.
>>4098901CoL is this guy >>4098888
>>4098898>>4098903Susie knowing wouldnt break the story or the mystery, because she doesnt want to directly confront people when searching for codes. She asks Kris to ask around in the church, and then she sneaks around in the manor instead of asking Carol. She can reasonably know Asgore was police chief and not immediately use that knowledge to try shaking him down.In fact, the oppurtunity to search the flower king's dark world could make for a better reason she doesnt deduce Kris opened the fountain. "Hey, we have to save your dad now anyway right? We can try seeing if he has a code too! I wouldve felt bad breaking in myself anyway..."
>>4098901You act like it you got put in the same bag.
>>4098799>>4098890this image is just every single negative predication condensed into one shitpost because why the hell would you assume that toby's follow up to chapter 4 would just be him going in the both most uninteresting and dogshit direction possible?
>>4098901kinda miss seeing anons accuse others of being mikefag (me)
>>4098896Not really.
>>4098905>Noelle being impregnated isn't coomershit somehowIt's only natural for a mother to want grandchildren. I posted this picture simply because Carol is smiling in it.
>>4098914Can you guess what kind of voice comes out of that gorilla's mouth?
What is the narrative theme of chapter 5?
>>4098902Everyner in Deltarune is a tumblr OC, you hate Blue specifically for personal reasons.>>4098906Different worlds, different versions of the characters.
>>4098901we should have a defined list of what makes CoL a CoL, otherwise the accusations will just boil down to>you dont think this game is flawless and perfect and arent glazing it 24/7!? you must be CoL!!overtime
>>4098910I wasn't really trying to argue that it wouldn't work for the plot, just that>Before we sealed the first Fountain... Flowery talked to me.>... and told me that Asgore used to be the police chief...>And still had his shelter code buried in Flowery's soil!seems to imply she just didn't know. I agree she could ask more questions, that goes for the Delta Rune code as well. The Dark Sanctuary and the Church pretty much owns that symbol, but alas. She just doesn't
>>4098916A nicer one than yours.>>4098905Pregnancy isn't a degenerate fetish like homosexuality.
How the fuck is the code readable? Asgore has been watering those flowers. It cant be lamenated, otherwise Kris wouldnt be able to tear it by hand
>>4098917Power of Friendship is bad and only the power of Companionship can triumph
>>4098925asgore stored the bunker code under his pillow and flowery took the code in the dark store and buried it in the spot where he gained dark world sentience
>>4098799give me your worstweirdfags need not apply lmao
>>4098925You know paper can of are dried after being the wetted, right?
>>4098928wait we should strawpoll this so we can decide what goes on what spot, most votes gets first spot and so on
>>4098931>StrawpollMy 7 proxies are ready
>>4098931make one, idk how to set it up
>>4098930can you rephrase please you just sound like "ove out hot eat the food"
>>4098928add "no twisted sword", "noelle wont join the party AGAIN.", "suselle is not subverted and is played straight" and "Trans Ralsei confirmed, Ralsei becomes bridget 2.0"
>>40989284-esque, mostly lighthearted with a slightly serious undertone and an actually serious finale. Reveal will either be an actual reveal or just another hint at one.
>>4098928>ralsei and noelle still never interact>the "big reveal" is just MORE vagueposting for the final chapter>toby makes fun of people who dislike suselle>no secret boss>carol still gets no focus>transei>chapter is a glorifed cutscene>noelle still barely gets any development in the normal routeand thats the stuff i could think off the top of my head
>>4098934It cans has less wetter after being poured water, but for wait for it first.
>>4098928>>4098931>>4098933https://strawpoll.com/3RnYXz4jQye idk how either
I can't wait for 7 to be like a short level and a few bosses and a couple hours of cutscenes where only a few major things get revealed but most everything is still up to interpretation
>>4098938The poor children!
>>4098928>>4098937dont forget castle dojo still being one singular lameshit battle
>>4098928>No/Minimal effects for drowning>Suselle continues to have no conflict>No Noelle party member>Rudy's condition is forgotten>Asgore is not acknowledged>Carol doesnt show up>Toriel says nothing>No secret boss whatsoever (You can absolutely have an extra boss unrelated to crystals)>No EGG payoff>No ERAM>More jabs at theorists>Less than 2 dojo battles>No castletown visit>No Pure Crystal/Malius is MIAYou really dont need a strawpoll for this I could keep going
>>4098939wrong, can't add options like the one from the other day
>>4098928ADD CASTLE DOJO BEING SHIT LIKE ALWAYS!! also add transei
>>4098944idk how to do one desu, can someone make one?
>>4098943Fuck it, hard mode>No dark world segment>No light world segment (obviously not on the same lines)>No tragedy reveal>No progress on getting in the bunker (including codes)>Tenna is forced out of castle town offscreen (Applicable if Noelle actually does reach it)
You start to realize tob was always like this when he didn't let the flag for true lab activate until after you beat the game
>>4098915The point you also got triggered over impregnation
>actually Alphyne is secretly anti-woke because Alphys will realize how abusive Undyne is and pine after Asgore instead, the bad writing is actually secretly goodDeltafags if they were Underfags sasuga
...Has anyone, tried considering WHAT the Pure Crystal is? I think everyone skips ahead to "What is the Twisted Sword?", what use would the Pure Crystal have without that? Its gotta be something if Seam is giving it to us because the shadow crystals are useless to us
chapter 5 really did a number on this fanbase huh
>>4098956Around 3-4 schizos who post around the clock did a number on these threads.
>>4098956as if 3+4 hadn't fucked it already
>>4098956the pill we gotta swallow is understanding Deltarune was never good
>>4098961lets just cut to the chase, ch1 fucked it with the evil kris fakeout and we've been going through all the flavors of pain this whole time
>>4098962Maybe... the truth is...Deltarune... wasn't the greatest game.
>>4098964Sans did damage too, the "it's good to see you" option made us expect way too much in terms of metafuckery and Undertale connectivity.How fitting that it all circles back to Chara and Sans.
>>4098952Kek, I don't think people would care about Alphyne that much since Frisk is harder to self-insert as and they aren't really close to the dykes like Kris is with the two girls.
>>4098967I must have some timeline fuckery in my future because I had an unexplainable feeling seeing Sans while playing survery project. I just stopped dead in my tracks and my mind flickered out. I just knew, something had happened that could not be undone at that point
>>4098954If they show other timelines then the pure version might just be the power to break fate or something gay like that
>>4098967>made us expect way too much in terms of metafuckery and Undertale connectivityUT set the bar very high, we basically expected DR to be the same thing but even more interconnected with how big the game is in comparison. Instead it's just a linear game with a convoluted plot.
>>4098969>my mind flickered outLook around, see if there are any frozen bodies near you
you think its registered with toby how disappointed people were with ch5 and that's they're getting sick of his shit unless 6 is effectively perfect
>>4098976...There's rotten chicken in my freezer right now
>>4098967people during the chapter 1 days thought the game was going to devolve into a murderfest that exists solely to wank off undertale but over time deltarune has been able to stand as its own game and now we've looped back to people expecting it to devolve into a WR murderfest that exists solely to wank off undertale
>>4098977No because he definitely doesn't obsess over fan feedback or dedicate precious hours of game dev time to making fun of fans
>>4098980hey I was in the group that expected deltarune to be just more card kingdom stuff
>>4098980To be fair ch5 was THE nostalgia wank chapter
>the old undertale fanbase's obsessing, hyping genocide as the "real" story was actually completely spot on to how deltarune is shaping up with the weird routefransfags are going to end up getting the last laugh aren't they...
>>4098964Alright I admit I was a retard back in 2024. The foreshadowing and teasing was misleading since right after chapter 1 with the chara moment and him showing the two medical themed enemies for chapter 2.And 1 is also really bad in how much of a shit job in does in showcasing how the game would actually be like.
>get to the shelter>"Dess... Where the FUCK are you?"
>>4098984It's only spot on in DR. Genocide is kino but it was really just to show how far the game was willing to let you go and to flesh out the worldbuilding.
>>4098980Blame Board 3 existing.
>>4098986>"Come back here you WHORE! I'm gonna TEAR YOU APART like how you did to my hymen!"
>>4098985>The foreshadowing and teasing was misleadingHaha...that's our Deltarune!
>>4098984FransSTACIES weren't that obsessed over genocide, Chara posessing Frisk to do genocides was PART of the angst but the real meat was the infinite resets that happened that didn't let monsters live in pacifist timeline.
>>4098964Look, some missteps aren't a sign of ineviatble doom. Ch2 wasn't what I really wanted but I expected something cool out of the game. I hated 3 and 4 but at least I expected the game to try to land the point it was seemly trying to make with those. Then after the time wasting of 5 I hoped 6 and 7 would lock in an give this a decent-ish ending.Now with 6 being confirmed as a nothingburger I have zero hopes for anything.
>>4098974its a fucking pen isnt it its going to be a penwhite pen of hopethats how it fuses with the ring to make a sword
>>4098989>the characters still refer to Kris as they/them despite this and malefags cope that "hymen" just refers to taking Kris' anal virginity
>>4098993It'll be a cyan soul that they can then put in Kris, he leaves the story to live out his life as a civilian and Susie takes the red soul to continue the story as the main hero together with Ralsei and Noelle who all fight the final battle without Kris.
>>4098994I was referring to dess there
Posting some 4098989 theories.>the quote is actually Kris saying it, there's no portrait for it but the only other person is Dess and we know she used a bat to do things to Kris while grooming them>Kris would see Dess as a whore because she chose Asriel and never even saw Kris as a romantic interest despite grooming them>despite Kris yelling that, Susie doesn't really register the conversation happening and decides to go play with some nearby darkners
UT had some anthro designs that translated well in fan art but DR is straight up a furry melodrama game
>>4098762Sex appeal since she has the hottest body
>>4098999everybody kept drswing the undertale characters off-model, just look at undyne fanart vs her undertale design
>>4098792>Frisk dyingFrisk is "zombie yellow" for a reason
>>4099009Yeah so he isn't an identifiable race.
>cat wants to be pet then suddenly scratches you for petting it and then again when you pull awayPink's behavior makes more sense if you think of her in actual cat terms. Just fucking evil and vile pest animals.
>>4098998why do people joke/"joke" dess is the groomer and not carol
Proverbs 5:18 - 19"May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth.A loving doe, a graceful deer— may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be intoxicated with her love."
>>4099014Cats get overstimulated.Sometimes they're just little shits, but it's usually cute.
>>4099022>huge 2 inch long 1 millimeter deep visceral gashes across your hand>cute
>>4099023You can tell when it's going to be that bad and back off beforehand.
>>4098994Obsessed
>>4099002One i never got was people giving the goat monsters dog snouts
>>4099021LORE?!?!
>>4099029Furries draw everything as a humanoid dog, from dragons to sharks
>>4098928The Knight is revealed as being just some random darkner
>>4099030I believe. The track star doe wife coming to us will be inevitable
>>4099019Not every politician is a diddler
>>4099025I take the blows and do it my way. Bastards getting picked up and pet whether they want it or not.
>>4099037I firmly believe the Knight had no business to take care of at Kris' house and Kris only called it over because he knew things would look bad if he killed Tenna himself
>>4099041What so he just SWOONs everyone unconscious and drags Undyne's body to the shelter himself
>>4099019Carol Holiday is too close to being an allegory to politicians for people to feel comfortable making groomer jokes about her
>>4099046>too close to being an allegory to politiciansExcept for the fact that she's competent and not corrupt
>>4099014>anon doesn't understand cat cues and gets scratched for not knowing that some cats dont like being pet in certain spotsevergreen, if you can't handle a simple critter like that, you wouldn't survive being with FRIEND or Pink
Carol RAPED and KILLED my possessions.
>>4099047Yeah, but you're not gonna see anyone give her any slack because that's allowing "propaganda" to influence you, same reason the retards are angry about Undyne, Captain of the Medieval Cops in Undertale who will gleefully kill a child because of her dogma, being a Modern Day Cop in Deltarune who does literally nothing aside from bench pressing a car which is somehow her best way to damage control a traffic jam.
>>4098925presumably it was easily accessible, it was probably either tucked underneath the pot (which would have to be solid all the way through), or some other hydrophobic, water resistant paper
>>4099047>Except for the fact that she's competent and not corruptnot really.>carol sucks as a mother and neglects her own daughter despite caring about losing her other daughter>despite being rich, she would rather place Rudy in a dogshit hospital with only two rooms and only one receptionist as (likely) the only nurse in the place than to take her husband out of town to a better hospital with better treatment options>only decently smart person in the town while all the citizens are morons, which is why she's still voted as the mayor>even then, there's a non-zero chance that she would use her knight conspiracy members to silently deal with any potential actual competition anyways.>also sketchy allegiance to knight conspiracyhow is she competent?
>>4099052I mean, while gleefully killing that child she will also repeatedly suplex boulders. I don't think bench pressing a car during a traffic jam is an unusually bad display of problem solving.
>>4098977he knew when he made the emergency lore patch and the cope newsletter which had him going 'please trust me, i know what i'm doing (ch6 is also going to be disappointing though lol)'
>>4099055>>despite being rich, she would rather place Rudy in a dogshit hospital with only two rooms and only one receptionist as (likely) the only nurse in the place than to take her husband out of town to a better hospital with better treatment optionsUnironic evidence towards theories that lean into the idea of "there's nothing beyond Hometown" right here, by the way.
>>4099052why do people treat ye olden medieval royalty knights and cops differently despite the former serving the same purpose as the latter? and its not like they arent demonized either considering the amount of evil kingdom stories.Undyne realistically should get shit for working both jobs but apparently undertale being a pacishit game for drooling morons groomed by the cuck morals of this game makes her exempt from any nuanced exploration on why it might be a net positive to FIGHT undyne?
>>4099019because we know nothing about dessit primarily spawned from the idea that dess was a cool tomboy big sister and kris inserters wanted to fuck who they believed was the cooler noellethen shotafags got involved, then it turned into doelester by shitposters
>>4099062>from the idea that dess was a cool tomboy big sistershe's also why the fandom likes to glaze the roaring knight so much, i've seen too many people claim that the knight would be able to defeat characters like sonic for some reason
>>4099048The cat needs to understand my cues like not being a violent nog just because I want to rub its belly or scratch the base of its tail, how about that how about the freeloading piece of shit endures some affection without fucking ripping me to shreds for literally no reason
>>4099054>hydrophobicAs a pail of water fan, I find such paper highly problematic
>>4099067because cats are not as intelligent as humans and thus require special care like any other pet? you wouldn't like it if some random guy kept touching your ass or rubbing his hands all over you despite what you try to communicate to them, either
>>4099069at least it isn't made out of crummy pokemon creatures
>>4099014Sometimes they just get really excited when you put themMy cat will bite you hard if you pet him and if you try to pull away he'll try to pull you arm back so he can bite some more. It's horrible, but I also hate never giving him attention eitherAnother cat of mine will just nibble you nonstop, but it doesn't hurt
>>4099068How did Asriel or Asgore never fuck this
>>4099014my sister's cat is like that lolsometimes he's just grab your hand/ foot and start biting and kicking the shit out of it he's only playing though, as he'll give you a couple warning/ apology licks he also is very cuddly when not in play mode
>>4099063>she's also why the fandom likes to glaze the roaring knight so muchit's a cool ass monster, anon
>>4099076I guess they were satisfied with Dess and Toriel...
>>4099076tori only loved psuedo incest, not actual incest
>>4099076I think Asgore would kill himself after
Why didn't asgore fuck chara and create an army of hybrids
>>4099089he already had peak toriel and is too good of a father to fuck his son's gf
>>4099080so is the titan but no one glazes him as hard
the titan and the titan spawn are chrono trigger references
>>4099096Remember when we thought the eggs were just gonna be a chrono trigger reference?
>>4099094yeah cuz its theme and fight sucked major ass. AAA cinematic type shit. it had no aurahttps://youtu.be/CO9G29oli38
>>4099094the titan is just kinda there very little build up and it's theme doesn't stand out very much compared to the prior two chapter bosses doesn't help that it has zero personality, something that even the knight has over it
>>4099097you mean the eggs being like the chrono trigger egg which is used to revive the protagonist while still being allowed to reorganize who gets to be the leader instead of crono? like, reviving kris or susie or the vessel?
>>4099094Titan is all presentation and plot armor, but statistically weak as fuck, to the point Ralsei panics more over Aqua's knife shuriken because Aqua's attack stat is higher than Titan's.
>>4099106doesn't green have a higher internal attack stat than the knight?i get it's because of incremental difficulty progression, but that doesn't make it any less funny
>>4099102I believe the titan is one of Toby's worst boss fights ever, it goes against so much of what makes his fights and monsters unique. The fact you cant spare it is fine, but it goes so far as to be a generic RPG monster that has no capacity for speech or personality that existly solely to be slain by the protagonist. The fight itself is so easy if you're keeping up with side stuff that you can miss out on its strongest attacks because of how much damage youre doing. It's an unironic hopeless battle where there's no way to actually win until the game hands you it. And it has so little lasting impact that it's actually insane to remember "Oh yeah that was the boss fight right before the nostalgia wank and suselle double down chapter" despite literally being the biggest properly foreshadowed threat in this story thus far. I have no fucking clue what he was thinking with it, and especially putting it where he did
>>4099094I'm just mad the fight was easy as hell. Like I get it, mandatory boss we can't make it too hard but that shit was too magnificent to be that easy
>>4099104Deltarune would never let you pick a leader
>>40991104&5 swap theory unironically makes a lot of weird decisions made with 4 and 5 make far more sense why does ch4 move towards progressing the plot? because it was supposed to happen after 5why does nothing move an inch until the end of 5? because it was supposed to take place after 3swap around the light world scenes and a couple lines here and there, boom, suddenly the games jank pacing is a little more tolerable
People in this thread will call theories with actual evidence baseless, then proceed to write literal fanfiction like 4&5 swap theory and noellegame+
>>4099110Toby realized he didn't make a proper Chapter 4 boss but also couldn't sic Knight on you again so soon, so he panicked and pulled the Titan card early.
>>4099118>noellegame+the ps achievements MINDBROKE you
>>4099121The playstation achievements don't prove the existence of there being 6 additional B-side chapters.
>>4099119imo gerson could've worked well as a chapter boss in a sort of 'prove to me you've learned and are strong enough for what lies ahead' type situation
>>4099118yeahlets get back to theories with actual in game evidence, like femkris and noelle knight
>>4099127Anon noelleknight has been REPEATEDLY btfo'd as a theory. You're just writing more fanfiction.
>>4099122Maybe, maybe not. What they do suggest is that the WR as we know it is not Side B, considering you can still get the #-A cheevos while doing the route.
>>4099127if you're not a rudy knighter in this day and age i truly dunno wtf youre smokingyou're just setting yourself up for disappointment https://youtu.be/rDZaUjEzDWo
>>4099129>The weird route is repeatedly referred to as Side B in the game files>The final chapter of the weird route is called Chapter 7 Side B>The spamton sweepstakes update adding an enormous 7B at the bottom of the weird route foreshadowing page>But the weird route isn't Side B you guys!!
Look at The Chart, anons. Don't tell me you already forgot about The Chart?
>>4099118Noellegame+ would make sense if Chapter 6 didn't exist
>>4099128what btfo's it please elaborate
>>4099130>rudy knight man broke his own ass and got hospitalized, againrudy lost all theoretical hype and aura in ch5, and since that's entirely what rudy knight was running on, the theory is now debunked
>>4099134We discussed this in the last thread... But look at The Chart. Just look at The Chart anon. Take a good look at it. You'll notice NoelleKnight scores in the negatives.
>>4099110>The fight itself is so easy if you're keeping up with side stuff that you can miss out on its strongest attacks because of how much damage youre doingWhen my sister played for the first time, she couldn't beat the Knight or Gerson and she told me how awesome the Titan fight was since she couldn't tear it apart with the BlackShard.Also, Gerson never shows up at the end to help you out if you don't beat him. Instead the last you really see of him was in the 1st sanctuary and he and Susie never speak again which honestly sounds more impactful.The BlackShard and ShadowMantle are gonna make things a balancing nightmare when the endgame will probably mainly be us fighting dark type enemies.
>>4099137>Also, Gerson never shows up at the end to help you out if you don't beat him. Lying for no reason.
>>4099131>The final chapter of the weird route is called Chapter 7 Side B>The spamton sweepstakes update adding an enormous 7B at the bottom of the weird route foreshadowing page>But the weird route isn't Side B you guys!!You already proved my own point for me. We're crossing over to Chapter 7 Side B, meaning we've been on Side A this whole time. Once we're at 7B, we'll reset to 1B>but muh codeIt just means it's the path to get to Side B
>>4099131>But the weird route isn't Side B you guys!!Yeah because it's on Side A. Why would the achievements make a distinction between the two? Why can you still get them when you're on the WR? Toby is a complete autist for even the most minuscule details so you can't brush this aside.
Never ask a Noellegame+ believer what USED UP means.
As someone who saw her in fan art first I was surprised to learn that Carol is butt ugly in the actual game
>>4099139>meaning we've been on Side A this whole time.We've been on "Side A" by technicality, since there are off ramps for the weird route until you've proceeded to the bottom of the lake.>Once we're at 7B, we'll reset to 1BEntirely baseless claim. Also notice how the WR foreshadowing page has no 1B?>It just means it's the path to get to Side B"the path to get to Side B" meaning.... being marked as being on Side B?
>>4099142Her overworld sprites is pretty iffy but people seem to like her portrait fine enough
Why wasn't Happy Town slowed down like in the teaser? Usually slowed down tracks were used for Genocide...
>>4099141never ask as USED UP poster what (YOU) were used up means
>>4099142Her talking sprite looks alright. The Grinch influence is not as noticeable.
>>4099146It means Kris was USED UP.
>>4099143>Entirely baseless claim. Also notice how the WR foreshadowing page has no 1B?Ah good point, Toby would have absolutely just put on his website "By the way you're getting a full new game+"
How does one Mantle holder make people seethe so much?
>>4099151>arguing on what "toby fox would do"Don't tell me you seriously think Toby is developing two games at the same time without bringing it up to anyone.
>>4099153You're also saying that isn't just 7B, which implies he's developing an entirely unique giga chapter that is totally distinct from the normal route AND what is basically a wholly new game with a brand new plot. Be serious here.
>>4099153You're the one arguing on what Toby Fox would doThis is the man keeping basic plot points hidden to save it all as a surprise, no shit he's not gonna just announce new game+ out of nowhere
NG+ to the extent of a full alternate Side-B won't happen because that'd actually be interesting and satisfying to explain why current Side-B is full of cutscenes and only one chapter is going to be brand new. You don't even need to argue any logistics beyond that, Deltarune is a game that lives to disappoint at every possibility and validate doomposters every single time.
You know there are no Chapter 5 achievements, right?
>>40991577B is gonna make up for it and it will have so many boss fights and aura you will say STOP IT'S TOO MUCH AURA.
>>4099155Why would he not say that theres a new game+? He seemed pretty eager to confirm that 7B was an entirely new chapter, that it takes place in an entirely new location, that it has entirely unique cutscenes, entirely unique boss fights and even foreshadowed it ingame via MANTLE. Which actually confirms quite alot about 7B's direction, so???
>>4099157we don't even know what the fuck the ending Toby is trying to work towards like it's less about what sounds the coolest and more of just wondering what is it all for at this point
>>4099160no anon you don't understand it's not good enough it'll NEVER be good enough i NEED to be able to play the full game again but with noelle instead of susie because i fucking HATE susie she's a BITCH she's a WHORE i want to KILL HER in CHAPTER 1B for crimes she NEVER COMMITTED IN THIS FILE
Here's my 7B bosses predictions>Noelle boss fight where she gets used up in the dark world beneath the lake>"Omega" ASGORE fight >CastleTown boss rush (if you did a pacifist run you'll fight Tenna and Jackenstein too)>ERAM fight (Megalo Strike Back)>Fun Gang/Three Heroes final boss fight (Megalovania)
>>4099070I'd put up with it if I never had to work a day in my life and slept 18 hours a day
>>4099077I could probably beat your cat in a fight
>>4099167my cat is 18 years old and has a very busy schedule of sleeping and getting pet don't be fooled, she's very spry for her age and medical record, she's healthier now than she was 5 years ago
I still think scary adventures in the Gaster Dimension with Noelle would be considerably more fun and interesting than genocide 2. Add the skelebros in there too and thats like 90% of genocides appeal covered.
>>4099170And I think Genocides 2 is more interesting and fun than Kriselle evil date.
>>4099110I liked it.
>>4099171How exactly. What new ground does Genocides 2 cover that the first one didn't.
>>4099131Side B will just be doing the final level again but with a different boss and ending, calling it now.
>>4099171Why is it always shipping with you assholes? Most of us just want to see these two characters keep being developed.
>>4099148You control Hero Sword and Hero Sword is who gets used up.>>4099158That's because nothing in that chapter is an achievement, the plot takes a break for 10 hours.
>>4099173Even cooler boss fights, a theme of making only your choices matter, less grinding probably. I think it would be very cool and awesome to play.
>>4099158Not surprising, since it achieved nothing
>>4099174Putting expectations THIS low so I'm not disappointed
>>4099177>Ummmmm.... Well i'll get to fight OMEGA ASGORE while MEGALOVANIA plays.Why not just play a fangame at that point?
>>4099173you genocides twice as hard while remembering your first genocide
When the final Chapter releases are you gonna play 7A or 7B first? I'll play 7B first.
How embarassing is it for Toby that the dialogue for chapter 5 was ghostwritten and the two best songs of the chapter are Camellia's? Isn't he ashamed?
>>4099180Why play a fangame when Toby will give me the real deal?
>>4099168 I could at least get a few good hits in
>>4099183No cause he literally told Camellia to arrange/write them lol
Side B will be the whole game backwards then both UT routes backwards then a Friskhara Omega Angel fight at the end then a remake of EB Halloween and an entire game of the original Homestuck playing as the Fun Gang
>>4099181>You can never complete the game the same after your first genocide runI think there is something more to this genocide = first time analogy. Especially in how Toby used the deflowering motif in weird route also.
>>4099183better question, how do you think he feels about that gender crap scene getting in with the flowers?i find it really hard to believe that he actually wanted it considering how he treated the subject from UT-CH4.the human being a [they/them] was purely just a thing that exists, it was never an ordeal like that scene was.it has to be a>oh look, we already made this scene!>you wouldnt betray us and deny its inclusion... right?
>>4099187It's TRVE...
>>4099184What does "the real deal" even mean here? You're certainly not interested in Toby as a writer if this is the best you can think up for 7B.
>>4099189Okay um, I'm not sure your ultra cope is worth replying to, get a grip man>>4099186The prototypes were released later so he could have altered them for all we know
>>4099192>ultra copedude toby's a spineless cuck thats scared of pissing anyone off.he wouldnt add in the scene on his own, but he's also incapable of putting his foot down and saying no.
Oh so it's Toby headcanon hour now?
>>4099115It only seems this way because we only remember 10 good minutes of chapter 4.
Reminder that Sans remembers You're Weirds and that the Skelebros WILL be showing up on 7B.
>>4099194troll's remorse is a real thing, toby's scared as shit of some tranny throwing a fit and digging up all his old shit.
>>4099189I think it's interesting how Blue is still a he/him while Seth and Green are a they/them out of nowhere. I'm sure the team probably had a role to play in this scene, but in the end Toby wanted to pretend to be le enlightened centrist.
>>4099193I know he is but the trans lion is in UT and he had not a team back then
>>4099197Yeah they will show up to FLEE to Undertale.
>>4099192Fair but i don't really see why Toby would suddenly get cold feet about music of all things when he can throw the same motif into like 40 songs and people still like it so I'll take his word for it
>>4099202back then, crossdressing was a joke
>>4099183If he really wanted to be embarrassed he'd bring MasterSwordRemix on for a few songs to mog the fuck out of himself
>>4099197They won't know you did it in another file because that's too much work to program
>>4099194I know my headcanon of the chapter being ghostwritten can't be proven, but it really felt like I was reading someone else's writing the whole way through. And I don't say that to absolve Toby of his responsibility, on the contrary. He is still at fault for all the shit that's in his game. To tell you when I got this impression exactly, it was when the game started introducing Flowery and Flowery was obviously voiced by Toby. It was as if the game was telling me a subtle "don't worry, I'm still the one writing this", while what I was reading did not match anything that was in the game before.
>>4099206MSR is as his name implies a LoZ fan and as we know Toby will do everything he can to scrap The Legend of Deltarune and give us Attack on Titan instead
>>4099204>let me throw in Lost Girl in there once more, composing is too hard>Oh, Lost Girl? It was never about Dess! What, did you second guess when you didn't have all the information yet?Sasuga Toby Foxu
>>4099211Lost Girl obviously refers to Kris.
>>4099211Dess's theme is find her.ogg, just like the Soul's theme is me.ogg
>>4099217Actually find her refers to Kris's soul
I'm really enjoying the recent rise of Vessel cooming.
if noelle was actually creaming herself at the weird run, why did she act normally on chapter 4 at noelle's house, and apparently normal when kris visited her off-screen?
>>4099225Because Kris comforted her or something.
>>4099225>why did she act normally on chapter 4 at noelle's houseshe had her blinds closed. she fully intended to get some human dick.
>>4099225She was still dormant between 2 and 4, Kris wanted to make her think it really was a dream but once she established direct contact with you it was undeniable that the power she so enjoyed was real.
Tory Fox's DarkHeart.
>>4099210>I want Noelle to stay single for 10 chapters!
>>4099240Cuckshit
>>4099236I don't like the thought of an anthro gf that's bigger than me.
>>4099240Normal Route ending btw
>>4099244Kris 2 seconds after brutally stabbing you and realizing they're about to get a stern talking to and sent to their room without dessert
>>4099157"NG+" is you going back to an earlier chapter in 7B and derailing it, leading to you entering the shelter way earlier and forcing a different ending. Pretty much what is shown in Mantle basically.
>>4099248How can you be mad to a face like that?
>>4099252Damn brat...
>>4099253Needs monster correction!!!
>>4099249Mantle shows you killing your friends in some random city
>>4099256Yeah a city with a manhole too, now, is there a city with a manhole somewhere in Deltarune? Because I remember going into a manhole in Chapter 2's Cyber City.
>>4099257>is there a city with a manhole somewhere in Deltarune?On the other side of the lake
The weird route has to represent a repressed desire, I get surprised people push back on that theme being a part oft. Kris can stop us from learning who the knight is and rip us out to go open dark fountains but can't stop us from proceeding? Yeah no there's a part of Kris who wants it and likes to just believe we made them despite at other points being able to take control of the situation to stop us from learning stuff they don't want us to learn.
>>4099260The Soul is also stronger in Side B though (see the ME section)
>>4099261I get that Kris did attempt to stop the WR but their failure to do so in any way that full soft/hard locks you out of it is still peculiar to me.
>>4099262Because unless you have a secret ability it's hard to softlock the Soul.Both Sans and Spamton tried, both were killed anyways because the Soul found a way around them.
>>4099264I guess blocking knowledge is easier than blocking commands
>>4098668>Make your jokes???dq7 is my favorite RPG anon... I was being genuine. If you're playing the playstation original version then you're in for one of the best RPG's ever created.
>>4098794>Frisk is literally a zombie and presumably no one on the surface questions this when Frisk returns from the underground.it'd be kino if this was the case and the monsters just really had no idea what the fuck humans were and thought they just had a cicada burial stage of molting they go through.
>>4099190Chapter 7 in a pre-chapters 2-6 world
>>4099225>Kris, when i cast snowgrave, i felt stronger that i have in my entire life>I know.. it's horrible to say that, but..Even with the thorn she knows it's BAAAD, but deep down is still interested, so of course she won't show anyone how much she likes it other than KrisThis is once again, another sex allegory, or doing drugs idk
>>4099203i think sans already fled from undertaleit's just the sans that lost to frisk in a genocide route. spreads ketchup on himself then "im going to grilby's" and leaves with gerson/alphys to the deltarune timeline.level 19 to 20 is a scripted event set to take place after killing mettaton, and we're never getting deltarune papyrus because he's dead.
wait we reached the image limit and I didn't even notice
New thread, move there whenever you want>>4099284
>>4099281You literally hear Sans turning into dust.
>>4099290he recorded the sound then plays it off screen
>>4099019Because Carol is ugly and Dess can be anything right now.
>>4099076They surprisingly aren't degenerates.
>>4099085The hard to swallow pill is that every cool fan idea was already done by the peak 2016 fandom but just forgotten.
>>4099089>>4099092You should be asking why Asriel didn't do it.
>>4099118Don't forget the twisted route theories.
>>4099152He KILLS my ships.
>>4099170Toby disagrees with you.
>>4099187This will happen because nips did it and Toby loves them.https://youtu.be/B3Zr0W9NsuE
>>4099290He activated the sound effect .ogg to throw you off. That's just how meta the game is.
>>4099092He never has Toriel though
My first game was spec ops the line
>>4099411I'm sorry for your loss.
>>4099165Where's Gaster?
