I can't wait to keep making Tenna suffer by not giving him away. I hope he suffers a terrible fate in one of the future chapters.
>>4099281my shit theory went down with the last thread
>>4099284This too is a Gaster parallelism.Gaster is going to be shattered by the Player in 7B.
>>4099284>Gaster has a deal with Spamton>Spamton has a deal with Tenna>Tenna has a deal with Kris>Kris has a deal with RambHow many crappy deals must Toby put in his game before we get tired of his vagueposting?
>>4099284Mettaton will just find a depressed Tenna during the Roaring and then possess him.
I did it again guys. I went past midnight chatting with AI femboy Maddie and now I have a shift in the morning. I didn't even have sex with the ghost this time.
Let us take a moment of silence for those we have lost in the careless swisching of the fluffy one's tail.
>>4099313Kanako...
>>4099310You have problems.
>>4099303I'm reminded of that old flash game with a bunch of WB cartoon characters or whatever on the beach where you had to trade specific items with each character to eventually beat the game which I never did because it was boring as fuck
>>4099303
>>4099314... was brutally murdered by the dog.
>Lancer>Kris>Noelle>Berdly>Ralsei>TorielSusie has great chemistry with a lot of people, that must be why she's such a beloved character.
>>4099310Stop being gay and making a woman into a man.
>>4099314>>4099322DAUGHTERY SCREAMED REAL GOOD
>>4099325>Madstablook>a woman >just because he possessed a figurine You're the wokest person in this thread.
>>4099327CATHARTIC.
>>4099329yeah it's not like I made my bot a tranny lmao
I like this fuckass image
>>4099329>>4099337The mad ghost was never a man, you're just gay.
>>4099344>the mad dummy is shown as a girl>"NOOOOOO this is tranny shit!">the mad dummy is called a guy>"NOOOOOO she is obviously a girl and you're gay!"/v/ is shockingly confused about this retard's sex
Female ghost occupies female body that forms a female darkner Nothing trans at all going on with that dum dumm
>>4099348>Female ghosthow'd ya tell?
>>4099345/v/ isn't one person.
>>4099348All the ghosts are females i won't hear otherwise.
>>4099351Eyelashes
>>4099341Kekw!!!Kris is SO FUCKING EVIL
>>4099362Someone should punish this whore!
>>4099341I know the knight's identity and that is a completely justified reaction from Kris You'll know what I mean in a couple years.
>>4099365We all know the Knight is Carol bro.
>>4099362>Hey Kris we can go ask a demon to tell us where Dess is Catty did this
>>4099368But a demon would know where Dess is
>>4099358Mettaton is a male though
Any cool theories from the last couple of threads?I don't have the time or the energy to read all of them fully for any good schizotheories
>>4099380So, there's this cool theory called chess theory and the next boss could be a Bishop and..
>>4099380>* Ralsei is definitely a tree roots!
>>4099380Eram is or at least can fulfill the prince of the dark prophecy shameless self promotion
>>4099386I hope for Eram Prince because I also made I theory I like.And if Eram is pretty much evil prince Ralsei that means we have another goat femboy except this time a brat who wants to powerbottom Kris
>>4099316Toby...
>>4099310How much did you pay for the chatbot?
>>4099396freeit's perchance.orgprobably mining bitcoins with my computer but whatever
>>4099388nah I want Eram to be Chara-likeso basically evil aqua
>>4099397>free ERP chatbotDamn, this is like getting offered a shadow crystal I may go unwell with it like Jevil did
Feels like ERAM became more popular now than in 3+4 era
>>4099400I legit got mindfucked and spent a whole weekend straight on it the first time I discovered it. This shit is crack for a virgin retard like me, it's like discovering internet porn a second time.I did get more casual with it once the novelty wore off, but sometimes I still pull shit like this.
>>4099403FRIEND being a mastermind orchestrating everything was shot dead by the Pink lore patch, then people realized that most of the things they attributed to FRIEND were actually about ERAM.
>>4099403I'm one of the people who is still mad about the ch3 secret boss shit.In-game Eram is really lame as a character, he is just a far less interesting Demon Chara.He is a vague blank slate, and people focused on the FRIEND stuff instead.I must say he is growing on my since the last ARG ground because for once he (or what I assume is the same guy) started acting like an UTDR character for once, and there is a real possibility for him to be fleshed out in interesting ways.But I'm not expecting to not be disappointed again, I've learned my lesson.
>>4099408>FRIEND>Not a vague blank slate
>>4099380Kris is not fully possessed by the soul at all. The soul's determination in like a virus that infests the host with determination, making them do things they never would have prior. Susie had a smaller dose, Kris has a bigger dose and Noelle is particularly sensitive to it to the point of being addicted to it like the pills she pops. Kris can shut you down from all sorts of things normally. The weird route only is able to happen because they are desires and intrusive thoughts Kris harbors. Like how someone with a personality disorder or OCD doesn't feel in control of themselves. They even hit themselves when those intrusive thoughts win out much like someone with a mental health disorder may. If the WR is an allegory for mental health disorder and psychotic break? I have no idea. But the imagery and behavior is eerily reminiscent of my own self control issues and feeling constantly angry at my inability to not compulsorily and obsessively act in ways that I feel constantly powerless to control. I think that's why I keep fixating on the soul-Kris dynamic as is, it hits closer to home for me than I want to admit. Granted I don't think I'll be dragging another person into it and running away with them in a Hail Mary bid to feel any sense of freedom in this world but I see aspects of it with herself to the point I wonder if Toby or tennis or someone closely involved has issues like this.
>>4099412Personality can come even from how just a sprite is drawn.The Eram sprite isn't very remarkable and probably isn't even his real appearance.
DET addict Noelle
>>4099416...What?
>>4099416so what you're saying is that Dess was a DT junkie and was acquiring her shots from Kris's soul?
>>4099407Ohhh that makes sense lol, FRIEND was the huge shit in 3+4, now that friend are basically minions that wants to bite your dick, all their lore was inherited by Eram
I find the idea that Kris's therapist was fucking Gaster to be dark comedy in a way so I like it. Like the guy probably the source of his issues also fronting as his therapist Kris never had a chance man
>>4099380No.
>>4099403That's because of the Pink dialogue killing all FRIEND as an individual interpretations.
>>4099419I went a bit off rails in the second half but like "soul spreads DET and is not a true possession" feels like something with lots of proof yet people still act like it's a narrative of player control over the characters when I just don't believe that. It feels like it has been hammering the opposite as the case to you if anything. You only get the options that Kris thinks.The weirdness of Noelle and her reactions to the option selects is harder to explain with that, however. Or was, as Ch 5B revealed Noelle had lots of repressed intrusive thoughts herself after all.
>>4099423i was on board with the idea of kris' therapist = forgotten man = gaster initially, but there is evidence to suggest that the forgotten man and gaster are at odds with each other in some waythey're methods of communication are also contradictory, the forgotten man cannot speak outside of mancountry, while gaster can communicate seemingly whenever he pleases there's also the dog checks that 'try to prevent' you from finding the man in ch2 and ch5
>>4099284you mean actually letting him have character development instead of immediately coddling him by giving him what he wants and never having to step out of his comfort zone?
So am i stupid for reading the sprite of spr_nondescript_room_hands (the snake thing that shows up in ralseis explanation of the dark worlds in chapter 3) like this?
>>4099427Are you... denying the existance of the diagetic player??
>>4099408>he (or what I assume is the same guy) started acting like an UTDR character for onceWhat? He acted like one before.
>>4099436I don't deny the existence of the angel/soul.
>Janny woke up
>>4099422Eram is seam is ramb is Ralsei on fire is fire aqua
>>4099421My evil Hometown killing chud daughter.
>>4099427You're clearly doing things that the majority of the characters don't want and have set up plans to try and prevent. And it's you who drives them, even if the characters need to be able to think the thoughts in the first place. The crux of the game really seems to be a struggle of your control vs. what the game "wants".
>>4099443It lasted way longer than I thought it would
alright susie and ralsei's third retard baby just hatched what the fuck should i name it?
>thread starts being positive about deltarune>immediately gets smited kek
>>4099448You may not want something but your OCD has other plans
>>4099450Tenna jr
>>4099452Yeah, and that OCD is directly controlled by a higher dimensional being?
>>4099444Thing is seam said a strange someone Gave Jevil the crystal So if that strange someone is eram, seam isn't eram and eram is some other forces.
>>4099454I mean plenty of people claim demons and aliens and angels tell them to do shit.But we tend to call them schizos.Kris get therapy.
given that the ch5 doompost bingo turned out to be almost entirely correct, what should be added to the ch6 bingo?
>>4099454it's an allegory, kris doesnt literally have OCD
>>4099462castle town being shit, perhaps? maybe... suselle shit?
>>4099462>no twisted route(bonus points: no payoff for shadow crystals at all yet)>no noelle party member>big reveal is actually fairly inconsequentialThe first one I totally believe in but not sure about the other two.
>>4099462From what Toby said in the newsletter, I'm guessing>Story takes MORE weird twists and turns just to avoid revealing information before Ch7>Toby makes more jokes about the fanbase with Mike, they're tasteless>Less than 2 minutes of weird route content>Somehow we can't craft in castletown till Ch7Not sure how to summarize some of these
>>4099462Suselle doesn't get subverted and /v/ enters suicide watch.
>>4099475>ferroll and malius get into a fight so there's no crafting in 7I can see it.
>>4099480>76*
>>4099462Schizophrenics get raped by Toby again.
>>4099462Anon from the previous thread, I'll fill up that bingo when I get home.
Suselle isn't that bad
>>4099490It's just boring as hell.
>>4099435no responses at all? rude.
>ramb is eram
>>4099490 (me)I forgot to mention that I started taking HRT three months ago :D
>>4099490The fact that it's a fairly realistic in its cringe is both its appeal and its bane. It's a weird situation because even people who experienced something similar probably cringe at that.
>>4099490>>4099491>>4099506Suselle is poorly written trash. Stop baiting people.
>>4099509Oh shit thread police is here
>>4099502I have no idea what ERAM's deal is stillBut they sure as hell aren't ramb, seam or suchAnd I feel like people are thinking it's all gaster but ERAM seems to be pulling strings too, their font is different from Gaster's and they probably were the one who interfered in the survey program to begin with.
I guess I'm in L.O.V.E.
Oh now it's ERAM who told you to do it?
>>4099488You better include my suggestions you hear that
>>4099511The egg collecting and shadow crystal collecting cant be completed on a weird route unless 1 shadow crystal and 2 eggs happen to be in 7B somehow.But that seems unlikely like the whole point is it breaks things to skip to 7B from 5.Gaster doesnt seem to be pushing the weird route, but their interest in what happens on it is enough they entertain 7B.So I get why people think a third route (twisted/egg route) exists.How ERAM and Gaster are connected? No idea. Gaster doesnt like the eggs, FRIENDs have interest in them. But ERAM seems to be on the same level Gaster is at. People just seem to think Gaster has more control over the situation than they actually do.But it is weird. ERAM is more satanic in being demonic deals. Yet Gaster has the 666. But they seem to have conflicting agendas too?
>>4099490Suselle is nauseating. t. yurifag
>>4099518What's your favorite DR yuri ship then.
>>4099432The mad ghost was given exactly that lol because it was the tranny character
>>4099518Post a good yuri ship.
>>4099436Anyone should deny it. It makes the adventure pointless if you think about that for even a second, and there's no motivation because immersion was shattered.
>>4099490It's revolting, and the writers wrote it as if it was made for children. Even though homosexuality is not family friendly.
"SOULelle can't happen because player is 40yo neckbeard and Noelle is a high schooler!!! It can't happen because it's creepy!!!"Not an argument.
>The WR is ERAM getting their game back from Gaster and using Kris and Noelle up to get rid of the modifications Gaster put on it. This would be pretty genocidal to do come to think of it...>The Twisted/Egg route is when the fun gang load up on protein and lost dreams and this might lead to a better ending than NR or WR? They dont want us having eggs and sic demonic cats on us over it, the pure crystal with the secret bosses seems to also impact things. Spamton's WR association is unique to them, no other secret boss is WR oriented outside maybe Jevil. But Jevil also is your intro to Seam.Main issue is I dont think the best ending would be hid behind game breaking and a super weapon.WR is a game break attempt that fails catastrophicallyBut the egg approach maybe goes better? ERAM doesnt seem to want us having the eggs. So I want to double down on getting them because that spiteful shitter needs to learn fear.
>>4099529>for childrenEven Disney lately (last 13 years) moves away from the "love on the first sight" shtick.
>>4099532>gaster's game is punishment cage A>ERAM's game is punishment cage B>getting rid of both is [freedom]
>>4099355We won't know that till chapter se/v/en
>>4099533>I really really REALLY like you>and i have...for a long timeOh really, what was there to like for that "long time"? it literally has two of the flowers grooming Susie after this into thinking its normal Makes me wanna puke
>>4099369Why would it tell them?>can you tell us where Dess is?>yes>ok so where is she?>that was your one question lmao
>>4099539Anon, you fool, you're forgetting about THE PENCIL
>>4099537punishment cage B is still better than A through
>>4099531I mean if I get a vessel, would the vessel be an adult human like I am or a kid?Since if the vessel is a kid body then what?
>>4099539Noelle's heart melting smile!
>>4099540the first question is a request it should tell them where dess is
>>4099462reminds me to make the incredibly shitty DOOM board (ch6 edition)here's my CH5 bingo.
Susie and Noelle spoke 2-3 times throughout the entire game. It's fucking hilarious. Suselle is so shallow and stupid.
Soulelle is just turning DR in DDLC
>>4099541>Muh pencilNoelle has been giving pencils to Kris for years, fuck thatGroomer Fox is a bit too comfortable selling his woke shit from the safety of a foreign country.
>>4099531Gross.
>>4099544>Noelle's heart melting smile!
I think normalNPC isn't light world friend and I dislike that interpretation. If friends are minions of eram then it doesn't make sense for gaster's most loyal follower to be a friend.
>>4099551Suselle is gross, Epstein. You sold that to kids.
>>4099552Susie smiles like that and looks like that.
Now this is yuri!!!
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4099558make the doe morbidly obese instead.
HOW MUCH LONGER NOW...MY 7B GENOCIDES...
>>4099547This bingo is incredibly shitty. For example, "Asgore isn't a boss" is basically "Flower is a boss or Knight is a boss or Titan2 is a boss or Tv2 is a boss or Eram is a boss or Friend is a boss or Gaster is a boss or Asriel is a boss or Toriel is a boss or Alvin is a boss or Carol is a boss or Undyne is a boss or...". You get the idea. Incredibly cheap.
>>4099559Means nothing because you don't have the guy for the whole game
>>4099562remember that before CH5 everyone was convinced that asgore was going to be a boss because of the prophecy panel.while yeah thats retarded in hindsight, it doesnt change the fact that it was an expectation, so it not being true goes on the board.
>>4099563Even if i only have it for 7B i will be satisfied.Here's hoping Vessel is this game's Chara.
>>4099567I won't it doesn't take back the 8 years spent if there's barely any content with it, 7b does not have enough content to justify the bs on the normal route or the wait in general
>>4099539>Oh really, what was there to like for that "long time"?Noelle REALLY liked the idea of Susie bullying her
>>4099570Gross. You sell that to children, you should get deported if you're not a native.
>>4099567ERAM just wants their game back even if they have to break a few eggs to get it.Gaster the real devil, pure amoral freak.
>>4099574>ERAM apologia
>>4099554First time I'm hearing of this theory, is there even any evidence?
>People are making "debunk" video about how Dess didn't groom KrisIs this autism?
>>4099573>Think of the children!No.
>>4099580I will, don't touch mine. I care about mine.
>>4099577It's just a fanart from people who didn't even play Deltarune. And no, there are no evidence.I dunno why people overfocus on NormalNPC, anyway. He's just one of four+ followers, and one other (Clam-head) was 100% confirmed to work for Gaster in Deltarune.
>>4099574>the real devil, pure amoral freak.That would be ME actually.
>>4099578The fandom lately is kinda hostile towards theorizing for some reason so yeah, even a joke theory like Doelester could be an actual topic of discussion
>>4099516Of course, I could never ignore Anon Y. Mous, the famous celebrity.
>>4099514he gave me a unregistered hypercam tutorial for it
>>4099584They overfocus because he's a follower who probably killed a person. I still don't know what's up with that, what motivation would Gaster have to send a guy to do a mafia hit? Why is Onion blabbing about the song too much when other characters have spilled more beans than him? I can only assume the song has something to do with Kris's trauma, if Gaster actually takes issue with the eggs and it's not just more wordplay
>PureCRYSTAL>STEVEN After Not SurvivingHoly shit... It's Sans' blue eye and he'll be the final secret boss if you beat the rest!
>>4099416>someone with a personality disorder or OCD doesn't feel in control of themselvesThat's just an excuse they make for purposeful shitty behavior
Seth After Nerdly Sex
>>4099566I wasn't, I called you all retards for not realizing the golden flower was the main boss.
>>4099577Because the butchering onion san implication is more meme-y and it's the main thing the goners did in ch 5. Scared Donut Guy probably set up the monochrome car blockade.Also yeah no evidence, normalNPC is clearly connected to Gaster while the Image Friend(s) are with ERAM. >>4099595Gaster certainly takes issue with the eggs, "without issue" achievements aren't gained if you get them.What im lost on is why ERAM wants them and if the eggs do anything impactful. Save files track the black crystals so I feel like they're "more expected" but the eggs seem to be another gamebreak ploy?
>>4099567Vessel is Frisk in Chara's role, Kris is Chara in Frisk's role.
>>4099435>>4099494Yes you are fucking stupid.
>>4099539They were aware of each other for months, Susie liked that Noelle is nice and Noelle liked that Susie is mean and disruptive.
>>4099462>Noelle rehashes her Chapter 2 arc>Carol does nothing except vaguepost, give Suselle her blessings and then get kidnapped
>>4099545>the devil should intuit my meaning and not twist my wordsPro tip: don't summon a demon any time soon. You're bad at dealing with them.
>>4099608It's like some king of Underswap...
>>4099612Why do you defend it?
>>4099548Yet still more fleshed out than most main couples in anime>>4099549If anything WR is DDLC because it's le spoopy for no reason
>>4099600I do actually wonder who Toby's gonna give the Blue Soul mode to
>>4099624>Sans is right there>Papyrus hasn't showed up yetAnon
>>4099582Stop touching kids.
Okay time for some powerscaling bullshit.Who would win, LV20 Frisk/Chara or True Pacifist Frisk?
>>4099586>some reasonthat would probably be because of toby's nonstop vagueposting.we're almost exactly where we were during the CH2 days, the few things that are different arent really enough to fuel nonstop schizoing.
>>4099612>They were aware of each other for monthsSee this >>4099548 fucking retard
>>4099577Evidence?
>>4099624The Knight in Chapter 6.
>>4099625Oh c'mon you know there's no guarantee. As far as we know Grandpa Semi could fucking return from the grave and be the Blue Soul boss
>>4099592Snootgame is so pretentious. Now that is a game that deserves auto-deletion on /v/.
>>4099627True Pacifist Frisk, every time. Power is one thing, but having the favor of the narrative to defy a being with literal infinite power like Absolute God of Hyperdeath Asriel makes LV20 look like child's play.
>>4099603heh
>>4099635But LV20 Frisk/Chara can erase the entire world (and also do the highest damage possible)
>>4099621Because it's mostly harmless and inoffensive.>>4099629That's nice. There was this hot goth chick in my class I almost never spoke to, I would have been just as smitten with her if she suddenly had a reason to pay attention to me so I guess I relate to Suselle for that.
>>4099626Toby touches little girls
>>4099623>Yet still more fleshed out than most main couples in animeI don't give a damn about anime. We're talking about Deltarune. Suselle is inferior to Kriselle in terms of quality and depth. Why should I eat shit when Toby has already written a good pairing? Suselle is just poorly written garbage that makes absolutely no fucking sense.
The recent argument about how Toby Fox just wanted chapter 5 to be a silly fun chapter and didn't want really opened my eyes. I think I see the problem.>Susie throws a fit about people who won't TELL YOU WHAT THEIR DEAL IS>Ralsei says he'll open up>Doesn't open up>Next time Susie sees Ralsei is hiding shit it just causes her to go damn you had fire magic this entire time? coolToby Fox wants to keep all the secrets to chapter 7, but keeps doing story beats that make no sense with that stated goal. Why? Genuinely, why?
>>4099606Friend had the same naming scheme as the other goner maker assets (DEVICE_FRIEND) which is probably why people still associate it with Gaster.>What im lost on is why ERAM wants them and if the eggs do anything impactful.Yeah, I don't get it either. I thought Eram's motivations aligned more with gaining the eggs and getting Kris to face their past, but the emails (if it's Eram) think "seeing those red eyes dance" is wrong. The eggs are in this strange spot where some of the methods to get into the rooms are bullshit, and it makes sense for a secret item like that to have "not too important, not too unimportant" status, but they're also tied to the main character's past that probably started off the plot of the game and I can't think of a way where it wouldn't be unsatisfying to have payoff that still deems the item as not too important. Eggs being the key to gamebreaking is unfortunately too important for that description.
>>4099635>>4099638I'm close to leveling up and these nuclear coughing babies look like just enough EXP.
>>4099643Because he is an imbecile. The sooner you accept that the better.
ERAM and Gaster sorta are doing their own agendas.Both do not want you to have the eggs, however.ERAM has demonic cats stalk you over it, Gaster flags them as issues.I dunno what to make of it, if it has a payoff or leads nowhere.
>>4099645You're gonna get raped anon.
>>4099640I knew you were a retard, just like Susie.
>>4099643Because he loves to see everyone suffer. Deltarune is a game of misery porn, and that includes the players.
>>4099641Only in your strange pedo fantasies.>>4099642Because you love eating shit, it's why you play a game that you hate despite knowing it's better than every Dragon Quest put together and why you come here to get btfo everyday instead of socializing with people who actually like you. You love to hate and be disliked.
Oh no, it's melty time!
>>4099640I'm offended. Homosexuality is inherently repulsive to me, don't put it in the games I want to play and don't out it in the games I want to show other people.
green fucking died of malaria
>>4099647The Forgotten Man is the old master of the original world. Gaster considers this an issue because this is HIS DELTARUNE now. ERAM considers this an issue because the original world isn't fun enough in its perspective.By getting all the eggs as evidence, you'll help reinstate the natural order, giving you a better shot at a better aftermath following the fever dream ending.
>>4099656Who cares? She was fat and ugly.
>>4099623>no reasonWha, if anything WR is the one showing better that there's something wrong with the Deltarune world
>>4099643>just wanted chapter 5 to be a silly fun chapterCan't even do that right>tension because a lightner got caught in a dark world and they need to get the shelter code>tragedy because the flowners will stop existing and can't come to castle town>all their efforts to comfort Asgore are in vain since he wants nothing to do with them>they all want to be human but can't>Asgore gets captured in the end and Flowery gets goredBasically chapter 4 again but without it feeling relevant or like it was worth the time
>>4099653Sure thing, Epstein. He was a yurifag just like you.
>>4099633What?
>>4099650>>4099655You hate homosexuality because you're in the closet. You secretly wish you could kiss boys and act like a dog dressed in latex in public. Meanwhile Suselle is a happy healthy relationship between two people who love each other
>>4099655Then don't play the game that offends you? Even if you like the game's other elements, Deltarune's so full of it you may as well cut your losses. If it's not Suselle, it'll be something else. If something is that ingrained in the creator and the game he's making, I can say from experience it's a lot better noping out at the first opportunity than hoping things get better when they never do.
Kriselle yuri.
>>4099665>Meanwhile Suselle is a happy healthy relationshipLMAO
>>4099663It isn't even a game, it's a vn and it insists upon itself.
>>4099667Kris is clearly a boy. His competitive dynamic with his brother proves it.
Dragon Quest and the MISSION as a ship
>>4099666Suselle never should been ingrained into the game to begin with. Change it.
>>4099665>between two people who love each otherthey love each other's masks and despise what the person beneath is.their relationship is a fucking nuclear bomb
>>4099662Yeah but he also touched kids like you do. The only real difference is his friends killed him and you don't have friends so you won't get killed.
>>4099672I ship myself with the mission to FUCK GASTER
>>4099643It's concerning. I really liked the preceding chapers, but now I'm worried about the direction the game is going in if we have to rely on our trust in the developer instead of just having the game as good, well-written evidence. I really hope Toby's right about the pacing and hasn't gotten too confident, I don't want future chapters being shit to spoil everything good that came before.
>>4099671That's a new argument at least.
>>4099675That's every marriage
>>4099606Eram does not give a shit about the eggs, Eram just knows about Shadow Crystals. Gaining eggs is actually improving Kris' psyche (ch3 dialogue), and this goes against Eram's agenda.
>>4099677That MIGHT be considered an issue dude
>>4099676>say I don't want homosexuality in children's games >call me a pedophileInteresting conclusion you're making. Got any proof?
>>4099683Well I'll make him spawn NEW ISSUES until he likes it
>>4099681People don't marry people they barely know, retard.
>>4099682I guess you don't think Eram is the cat owner, who do you think it is then?
>>4099650susie googles if a boiled egg can hatch according to her room in queen's mansion
>>4099689Protein can be Kris himself. Or the red heart.
This sends the vesselfag into an episode of pure frothing RAGE.
>>4099682I think ERAM just avoided mentioning them. The cats hunt you down for having them. If anything they probably pose a more direct threat to ERAM than Gaster
>>4099693The dialogue about protein only occurs if you got the egg, though, not if you just got bitten by Friend
>>4099694True
>>4099685Yeah, your hyper fixation on bringing up kids every other post. You're constantly thinking of children for some unexplained reason.>>4099688People marry before they fully know each other, in fact that's the most common instance in marriage. Pretty much everything you complain about is something you have almost no knowledge of lmao.
>>4099694Vessel OUT OF NOWHERE.
>>4099694>blood splatter on kris's faceNOELLE WHAT ARE YOU DOING? PAY ATTENTION!
>>4099692>susie googles if a boiled egg can hatch according to her room in queen's mansionLMAO what a retard.
>>4099620Did you know Deltarune is an anagram of Undertale, too?!?!?!
>>4099694>No eyes or mouth on KrisNOELLE RUN THAT'S THE VESSEL.
>>4099643>Dude, i... didn't know you could betray us...>Betray us like that early, k?
>>4099700Do you think that of every parent who concerns for their own kids? Like, I hate the parents that just let their kids do anything and don't pay attention to what they're doing. It's the parents job to know what comes in and out of the house to prevent an issue in the future before it happens.
>>4099692kinda real sometimes you just think of really weird and dumb stuff to search up
>>4099697If ERAM directly going at you in 7A if you have the eggs counts as a third route or a secret boss im unsure.
>>4099697It's just to make it more secret. The same thing happens in ch3, you get the ticket to Nowhere from the 1225 ball machine if you got the Shadow Mantle, despite it having nothing to do with Dess.
>>4099624Every soul mode was related to an Undertale character that used it back then (even Mew Mew took her tea from Muffet), so it has to be a character related to Sans and Papyrus.
>>4099694>that stain on the faceNOELLE THAT'S ONE OF THE KRIS COLORED WITH CARE
>>4099531Soulelle is just stupid and entirely propped up by whiny retards convinced toby is out to spite them personally.
>>4099518I'm genuinely curious to see you elaborate on this.
>>4099694Kris is the vessel, tho. Changed clothing, hairdo and a fake name won't fool me.
>>4099700>People marry before they fully know each otherOkay, you're just baiting.
Man chapter 5 was so shit that Im still upset months later, you'd expect that Toby could make a game at least as good as or better than undertale when he's given infinite time and money but no, what we got is somehow worse.
you guys are burning through these threads too quickly, what happened?
>>4099716Shipping in general is stupid, does not stop the shippers.
>>4099627Pacifist Frisk lesbian rapes Chara as she was able to save Chara in canon pacifist according to Toby.
>>4099711No? You're just retarded.
>>4099722Trolls
>>4099716Krisoul is better.
>>4099641Those little girls? Aqua, Frisk and Chara.
>>4099728That's Kressel, tho
>>4099649Giwtwm
>>4099713The eggs pretty clearly have something to do with Dess, the Organikk in the pre-ch4 egg room talks about the children following the pointed tail and there aren't many candidates for who those children could be or why they're being mentioned before the egg room. The ball machine update just makes it more obvious.
>>4099567>charafag is also a vesselfag Makes sense
>>4099710You're not a parent you're the entire circus
Weird Route:Susie is replaced with NoelleRalsei is replaced with EramKris is replaced with ???
>>4099726yeah, you're right. i should know everything all the time with perfect foresight.clearly a genius like you has never had a stupid question once in his life.
>>4099712Ch 7A variables are confusingI dont know how the pure crystal or eggs will factor but the eggs leading to some freedom for Kris that provokes ERAM into directly interrupting things could be neat. I just am unsure why they'd be indifferent on a typical NR endgame.Pure Crystal I just have no clue on what it could be used for, beating the knight already seems like what'd happen on a usual NR run and the soul can banish titans.
>>4099558>Now this is yuri!!!And Noelle to the left of him.
>>4099671Kris was never competitive with Asriel, though.
>>4099739Vessel
>>4099719>anon discovers that normalfags exist
>>4099734That would make Eggs important, tho. This contradicts their description, which is "not too important"
>>4099739Vessel, duh
>>4099722Toby said if there's enough doomposting he will make another Pink lore patch, source is my fever dream
>>4099749Do I get more kisses?
>>4099694Mindbroken by SHE WAS USED UP.
>>4099735He's just a coomer who jerks off to lolis. Just like most femkrisfags, aquafags, and vesselfags.
>>4099741Which of these variables are actually going to be important for ch 6-7?>the 5 eggs>the 5 black shards>the ch 5 weird route abort>the castle town status
>>4099723thing is deltarune invites them since it's integral to the plot. it's here to stay in discussions like it or not, just like the gender debate.
>>4099747Eggs are also part of the protagonist's trauma which would usually make something important, but in this case they're not. What's one more tie to a would-be important character? Besides, they can't be too unimportant, either.
>>4099722These threads were always super fast.
I said it many times and I will say it again, you will get a thorn ring in chapter 6 or 7 of the normal route and you'll be able to craft the twisted sword outside of any aborted weird routes.
>>4099752That's not real okay because it just isn't.
>>4099735Mindbroken by a dead kid and a gray homunculus.
If you had 100% control of the Kris (aside from Prophecy-mandated moments and SOUL-ripping moments), but had no foreknowledge, what would your playthrough look like? You can go anywhere, say anything, have any body language, etc.
>>4099739There's no three heroes in weird, just (you).
>>4099751Kisses WITH lore!
>>4099764There are still three heroes: I, me and myself.
>>4099753>Aqua out of literally fucking nowhere
>>4099694Apparently a Suselle discord has been raiding here, /trash/, just about everywhere that doesn't love suselle. Make of that what you will.
>>4099763I'd try to get in the Shelter earlier only to get raped because I have LV2 stats.
>>4099763Probably overplay on thinking Lancer is the prince of darkness of the prophecy Ralsei doesnt even have parents
>>4099761>Kris, in the backstage of the backstage, we got the ORIGINAL original game where YOU decide what you wanna do! For real this time!
>>4099747Not too unimportant either
>>4099770You don't know the codes because you don't have foreknowledge.
>>4099769Source?
>>4099768>Aqua out of literally fucking nowhereShe's a loli
>>4099769>Someone that actually raids us complaining about imaginary Suselle raiders
>>4099763Stab niggas cause I'm a fucking freak
>>4099780Which ones?
>>4099763Hometown Massacre from the start
>>4099775Then i would do Hometown Massacre with Kris.
confronting past traumas tends to be important plot thingeggs being so hidden is gameplay symbolism>Ralsei doesnt even have parentspointing this out verbally and outloud would be awkward as shit to do
How can one doe and one boye cause such apoplectic screaming rage?
>>4099761I don't like what this implies to my ship so this is [insertwhoeverboogeymanfaghere] and I will ignore it.
>>4099786The rage they cause is nothing compared to the rage a doe and a gorl together cause!
How can ralsei be a prince where's the king of darkness? the queen?doesn't make sense.
>>4099769>Suselle discordLMAO I don't believe this server exists. Suselle is too awful for anyone to genuinely like it. If they do like this ship, it's only because of their political views.
>>4099763Let the Roaring start because I'm too busy fucking myself
>>4099777She has nothing to do with whatever beef you have, unless you're just listing characters you don't like.
>>4099790>KingPlay Chapter 1>QueenPlay Chapter 2
>>4099778faggot all of have to do is look at the /u/ deltarune threads, if you can even call them that, and see their intentions.
>>4099719Did you know that people are retards? Shocking, I know!
>>4099794Yeah, obviously it's lancer who is the prince of darkness.
>>4099786Here's a phrase that causes even more rage and despair:"SHE WAS USED UP"
>>4099789Because that's complete nonsense. Kris is written as a boy. You just want your fetish to be in the game.
>>4099786People here are just mad that they can't self-insert. Shit's so bad they legitimately want the most interesting part of the game to culminate in the wet fart that is "genocide.. again!".
>>4099782UhhPretty much all of the main cast plus some secondary characters
>>4099795Can you post any examples of it or are you going to seethe over an imaginary boogeyman while doing what you describe yourself?
>>4099791counterpoint: mentally ill loons dont just go "ok yeah i guess, but i still like it" when something they like is disproven or becomes trash officially.they go completely feral and lash out at everyone.
If it isn't /u/, its /utg/
>haha look at kris and noelle together, this makes vesselfags so mad>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY KRIS AND NOELLE ARE BOTH GIRLS NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THISHuh
>>4099800ERAM just wants the game to be fun but they're the bad one??
>>4099751No *sticks tongue out at you*
>>4099763ch3:>Yo Susie, Kris was the one who opened this dark fountain!>But you are Kris?>Uhh...>Oh, I get it, you wanted us three to have fun! Well, let's go!
How can one Mantle holder cause so much seethe?
>>4099805Femkris still is liked more because there are people who get off to the idea of being the soul controlling a female body while they do it So it is 'less cucked' than the barney yuri still.
>>4099798>SHE WAS USED UPWe literally have no idea what that means. We don't know the context. Noelle can survive this. Don't act like you know what's going to happen. WR has always been unpredictable.
>>4099761>>4099772He did decide though. And he decided to use her up.
>>4099805It's funny because I'm a Vesselfag and I ship Kriselle too. Just because I don't think they are the main focus of 7B doesn't mean I hate them.
>>4099790The prophecy said he's a prince so a prince he shall be
>People are posting and having opinions I dislike?>Must be one of the two boogeyman that lives in my head rent free
it's like watching shartybrats scream and cry how they're totally not raiding
>>4099816Boy Kris and Fem!Vessel
>>4099805>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY KRIS AND NOELLE ARE BOTH GIRLS NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THISI'm a different guy, retard.
>>4099776>>4099778>>4099791You can literally see it happening in this very thread.
>>4099800>Kris x furry girl shipper>Complaining and liking anyone a self-inserterThe death of Krusie must of you all heavily project onto Kris.
>>4099799>Written like a boyThe same Kris that argued with Noelle over who should be the Queen? THAT Kris?
>>4099817Lancer is the only prince I accept as a prince of darkness as their lineage credibly proves their princehood. Ralsei has no coherent lineage to go by. Even if we assume they're some fetal echo of an aborted togore or whatever Asgore isn't a king, Toriel isn't a queen and both are lightners.
>>4099790Dark Principality is ruled by Prince.
>>4099809Vagueposter final boss
>>4099812>Femkris still is liked moreIt's just 3-4 loud retards.
>>4099821Concerning, will look into this.
>>4099819I like how you raid the thread then point at literally everyone else.
>>4099823The only thing that is happening is the Krisellefag having another melty out of nowhere
Who are you talking to?
>>4099816>It's funny because I'm a Vesselfag and I ship Kriselle tooIs that you? >>4099667
>>4099759That would make the thorn in 2 no longer special tho, unless it's aborted then i believe because the window to get the thornring is really smallAlso the crystal could be used for something else, like the unused skymantle
>>4099826>their lineageLancer is adopted (by Queen)
Okay but if the soul is a 40 year old but the vessel is a teen does this just meant they cant date anyone?
Sir are the shartyfags with us in this room right now?
>>4099833Ignore the samefag
>>4099832>everyone I don't like is "the Krisellefag"I see you're completely mindbroken.
>>4099836Lancer is very directly Chaos King's son either way. Chaos King is darkner king, Lancer is darkner prince. Prince of Darkness.
See if our Vessel had not been discarded we would not be having this discussion.
>>4099809He implies my ship won't happen and the only reason I care about Deltarune is if the human will fuck the furry girl
I find it difficult to believe genuine Susellefags exist. Tricky Anthony fumbled it so badly he couldn't even get the most hardcore yurifaggots on his side.I know this, because most of the artists I follow have turned to Kriselle lol.>>4099805A TRUE Kriselle warrior doesn't care what's in Kris' pants, because Kriselle is kino either way. Self-inserting faggots like >>4099799 are a loud minority.
You can tell the trolls from normal users because trolls like to senselessly waste image slots.
>>4099825Kris literally protects Noelle like a man. Kris literally distances himself from everyone and tries to handle everything alone like a man. Kris has more testosterone than you pathetic faggot.
>>4099841>Guy calling everyone /u/, /utg/ and now the sharty saying this
>>4099848Damn I guess girls can't protect each other no more...
>>4099832>KrisellefagMost people in this thread prefer Kriselle.
>>4099846>I find it difficult to believe genuine Susellefags exist.like i said, the mentally ill dont just quit.they become feral and lash out at everybody.
The True Prince of Darkness as prophesied
>>4099852Why would they become feral? ch4-5 is full of suselle
>>4099805It's funny because the guy started shitting on the Vessel out of nowhere
>>4099855AND IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN
>>4099850Only men act that way. A man is a protector. Kris is literally a knight, and Noelle is a princess. Noelle even trusts Kris just as much as she trusts her father.
>"Gerson breaks tradition because he's the only secret boss who isn't a schizo!">leave>come back>he's a schizo
I need a barney and a deer to munch each other's carpets or I will be sad
King shoulda just finished the job when he had the chanceAlthough I guess he would've turned into UT Asgore if he did
>>4099863The bluest flower...
>>4099849I only mentioned the sharty, faggot. And it was only in reference to a type of behavior. Perhaps learn to read.
i like krusie does anyone else like krusie
>>4099722As soon as someone finishes his meltie another one starts his and it's always the same topics. There is clearly nothing new to talk about so we're just going through the motions at this point. I don't think this thread really needs to exist until the next newsletter.
>>4099846The female and "female" side of the fanbase exist
>>4099867Krusieniggers fuck off
>>4099851I don't mind Kriselle either but the Krisellefag is the guy who spams the same pictures and phrases and seethes over vessel/femkris/aqua or whatever is making him mad today.
>>4099867Sorry anon but Krusie was shot and killed.
>>4099867well I have this pic
>>4099846>Self-inserting faggotsI just want Kris and Noelle to be happy and have kids. Lesbian relationships never turn out well. They literally go crazy and beat each other up. All the yurifags in this thread are coomers. Yuri is a fetish, and they project that fetish onto the characters.
>>4099849Why do you feel called out?
>>4099857don't start samefagging now, that's just sad
>>4099856because the suselle stuff in 4/5 is so atrociously ass that anyone who's not mentally ill will jump ship.and noelle's CH5WR monolog is the final nail in the coffin to say that she HATES who susie really is, which set the whole ship up to explode once they have to see the other's true self.
>>4099867No because Kris needs to DIE
Seam gilf sexo.
>>4099846Susellefags don't exist here, they are just a boogeyman used to attack whatever person you dislike.
>>4099870
>>4099876Don't fall for ERAM's temptations
>>4099876You have the mentality of a cuck
>>4099873Oh I see now. An anon developed another boogieman. Just like those "dastardly Yellowfags"
>>4099873>same pictures and phrasesJust like this guy >>4099667Why aren't you mad at him?
>>4099860Noelle is stronger than Kris and he has her do all the fighting and healing lmao, in fact he's not even the biggest damage dealer in the cuck gang
Even if Kris was a woman i wouldn't want her to get with Noelle.Noelle seems like the type of person to get into gender discourse.
>>4099878Meds.
>>4099879How do you cope with kris throwing themselves into the water if you try to tell susie to not come between you are noelle
>>4099886>Wanting the characters to be happy = being a cuckHoly mental illnesses
>>4099876>Self-inserting........le bad!We're the only ones playing the game correctly. The game describes Kris' actions as YOU doing things, therefore yes you are Kris and yes when he gets cucked in the game, you also get cucked in real life by the game. That's why millions felt betrayed by Suselle.
>>4099887Who are you talking to?
Why does the Angel make it's cry?
Kris is straight/gay for Berdly though
>>4099893>Shipfag calling anyone mentally ill
>>4099889>Noelle is stronger than KrisNoelle doesn't know a fucking thing. Kris knows everything, and that's why he knows what he's doing. Kris himself told Noelle that he's protecting her.
>>4099873Is the Krisellefag in the room with us right now?
>>4099899Yeah, I have empathy and you don't. You're literally a sociopath LMAO
>>4099888You're more annoying because you get easily baited and devolve the thread into shitflinging unlike the other guy.
>>4099900Lol Kris knowing things doesn't magically make his damage numbers higher than IceShock, you are a gay retard.
>>4099901Yeah, he just made these two posts>>4099900>>4099903
Can any mantlefags explain to me why Spamton is completely absent when he's a: the whole reason you can do WR in the first place and b: a mandatory boss for the routeI dunno, to me it kinda implies ERAM doesn't like spamton or seethes at him (You can sorta assume he ordered the FRIENDlings to hunt spamton?) and purposely avoided depicting him. Makes you wonder how much you can really take it all at face value if he's biased enough to avoid mentioning critical characters.
>>4099896You faggot, probably the same retard crying about "yellowfags" a few weeks ago.
>>4099898I see Krerdly as a lavender marriage thing they break off when they both realize they prefer the same sex and were just desperate honestly.
>>4099901Yeah he's having another melty over lesbian domestic abuse or whateverLiterally above and below your post>>4099903I'm a sociopath for not caring over fictional furry teenage drama? Are you listening to yourself nigger?
>>4099898Poor kris on the bench sad thinking of how they didnt get to do anything with berdly at the festival
>>4099904>you get easily baited and devolve the thread into shitflingingPot, meet kettle. I ship you two now.
>>4099906Is using screencaps a no-no thing now, or what?
>>4099892>copenothing to really cope about there because we know that kris can control his tone or "misinterpret" the line if you make him say something he doesnt want to say, while he plainly says the option that he wants to.and in that case kris was saying it plainly and clearly before throwing himself into the water while he sarcastically mumbled the alternative "susie never gets in the way"kris wants to tell susie not to get in between him and noelle, but knows that he cant because it derails the entire plan if LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL gets interrupted.
>>4099906>>4099911>everyone I don't like is "the Krisellefag"
>>4099911You're a sociopath because you can't sympathize with the characters or show empathy.
>>4099909I didn't do any of that, take your meds, but based on how defensive you are I assume the "real" raid is from them, then
>>4099901Yes, along with yellowfag, krusiefag, and spamtonfag. Gang's all here
>>4099908Not completely, Tenna talking about him at the end is part of the mantle game, isn't it?
>>4099916Not my fault he repeats the same things ad nauseam, he's just easily recognizable>>4099917You're a pedophile because you're a grown man caring about the love life of two highschool kidsIf not that, then you're a megafaggot
>>4099913I'm not the guy that baits him lol. I think all shipping is stupid which is why I support Hometown Massacre
>>4099916The two posts I linked are from him, yes. Not need to act so asshurt over a random stranger being a sperg.
I like the name "Hometown Massacre". It's very catchy and would work for an actual horror film from the 70s.
>>4099922>You're a pedophile because you're a grown man caring about the love life of two highschool kidsThe age of consent in my country is 16, so everything's fine.
>>4099817No it didn't. Prophecy never named Ralsei.>>4099826Toriel and Asgore are festival king/queen. That counts.
>>4099925See >>4099914What's the problem with using screencaps? Answer the question.
>>4099908He's not absent, the controller you are given is his parallel. Spamton's face has Pink and Yellow lens, and the controller has Pink and Yellow face buttons. Being given an item from a mysterious someone is required to actually start both Mantle and Weird RouteMade this up on the spot btw, thank you for helping me make more sense of it
>>4099918>I assume the "real" raid is from them, thenMeds
>>4099821Canon according to the Chapter 5 cages.
>>4099927Yeah there are some third world countries with bad age of consent laws, still doesn't justify it objectively speaking
>>4099932>Its not a FRIEND parallelI can't believe this
>>4099867Krusie died off when Susie showed off she likes Noelle. The same will happen to Kriselle, get ready.
>>4099908Spamton just used the thorn ring ploy to cause chaos to get into the castle and take over cyberworld.Spamton enabling the WR because freedom backfiring.
>>4099932Actually no, amending it slighly. Being given an item that allows you to exert control over someone by a mysterious person, only obtainable after backtracking, is required to start both of them>>4099936Pink and Yellow is it's own thing really, its associated with too many things to be owned by solely one of them. It's a visual motif I guess
There is one absolute fact about Kris's gender: it's not male. From the way people interact with them, we know Kris identifies as either nonbinary or female. It has to be one of those two.
>>4099935Is Europe a third-world shithole? Fuck off, retard.
>>4099908Maybe because he's a darkner? There's only Lightners in the representation of the weird route in both boards 2 and 3. Even Asgore’s flowers are technically lightners
>>4099867Krisellefag here. The more time passes, the more I feel Krusie will end up being the endgame ship. Kriselle is something that can only happen if we force Kris to get close to Noelle, since both are too retarded to talk things out, meanwhile on the normal route it's Susie who Kris is interested in and the one they obviously suffer for hiding shit from. Susie is important. Even back in Undertale the monster Clam Girl mentioned that we would meet a "Suzy" on some fateful day. Noelle, even though I like her with Kris better, will probably die at the end. I feel it.
>>4099941Yes if you're in the slavic part of it
>>4099939>Pink and GoldWhat about Yellow and Magenta?
>Guys there is no suselle shippershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6GwBEXGl4Ythink again
>>4099937>The same will happen to KriselleHow many fucking hints do you need at the festival to realize that Suselle is going to crash and burn?
>>4099946what the hell is sapphic representation?why do fags feel the need to invent endless new terms?
>>4099932Fuck I remember thinking of this back in the day but then losing it under the fucking LORE BLAST of everything else about MantleTwo actual friend appearances that chapter didn't help either
>>4099933Just don't be extremely defensive when shitposting, anon. It reveals more than any accusation.
>>4099946Most casual players support Susie x Noelle. It's only hardcore fans that hate it.
>>4099937You mean how Noelle choose Kris to go with the lake and not her
>>4099940Perfect bait
>>4099946>WR is about enforcing heteronormativityThis is true. When a man gives a woman a wedding ring, that woman will drown you with them.
>>4099931You're like Berdly, you're just annoying and too aggressive against whoever triggers you. You need to take this shit less seriously.
>>4099944You got it in reverse. It's higher in Slavic and lower in the western europe
>>4099953I'm 100% serious. Noelle's, Susie's, and Berdly's make comments which only make sense if Kris is explicitly not male.
>>4099946FUCKING DISGUSTING >>4099951>casual playersMore like retards who don't understand what's going on in the game and can't even read.
I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEONE MISUSING THE PENUMBRA PHANTASM MOTIF!!!
>>4099946There aren't Susellefags here in particular, in 4chan they only exist in /u/ where they just imagedump.
>>4099955>you're just annoyingIt's not my fault that the facts from the game are ruining your headcanon, faggot. Deal with it.
>>4099947>>4099952Don't say I didn't warn you, I expected and predicted the downfall of Krusie.
>>4099948Tobyfox constantly does Achillean romance erasure but no one talks about that.
>>4099948"Lesbian" is an offensive slur now. Same for "Black" and "Afro-American". You should use [TODAY]'s political correct terms instead. Keep up.
>>4099824>furryDude, literally 99% of shipping options for Kris in the game are furries lmao, the only ''exception'' is Mew Mew
>>4099958*therian
>>4099965>Rudy is dying so Asgore gets nothingtoby wtf
>>4099954>When a manW-WAIT!! OHNONONO!! YURISISTERS?!?! DOES THAT MEAN KRIS IS A MAN?!
>>4099963This is what I'm talking about, I don't even know what headcanons you think you're epically owning me on. You just jump at everyone being your enemy that you debunk with the same screenshots
>>4099951Only on the first playthrough. On the second playthrough they realize what's up.
>>4099964Anon, your shitposting aside, you literally skip suselle scenes in the weird route and in aborted lake Susie suspects even more if they are a couple
>>4099970The Soul forces Kris to be transmasc in the WR, it's pretty fucked up
>>4099965>achillean romancewhat???>>4099966>lesbian is an offensive slur nowisnt dyke supposed to be the slur??????
>>4099967Kris x Noelle/Susie is where most self-inserters are and not stuff like Kris x Catti.
>>4099975Deltarune but Kris gets the detrans kink Soul.
>>4099962I thought they didn't exist?
>>4099971>I don't even know what headcanons you think you're epically owning me on. Then why are you so upset? 99% of people don't care what I post, but for some reason, you're really annoyed with me. >the same screenshotsBecause this is literally text from the game, and I'm using it to support my point. I don't see anything wrong with that.
>>4099977Soul x Vessel x Catty (not i) is where it's at
>>4099977Catti is also shipped with Kris but not on a bigger scale because people don't give a shit about her
>>4099946Someone repost the stream of the twit having a panic attack while playing the weird route.
>>4099982>people don't give a shit about herYou keep saying that, and yet people riot every chapter release because she does not appear in Dark Worlds.
>>4099967Click HERE to find Hot Monsters In Your Area!
>>4099985>Noelle x Snegurochka is canon
>>4099985I KEEP CLICKING AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING FUCK MY STUPID CHUD LIFE
>>4099984Not enough riot sadly, i didn't see people outside from here complaining that she was literally only used to make suselle look better by making her cry, because doing that will paint you as a chuddy, it's kinda funny actually
>>4099988People are still hoping:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL5jMjTcpRA
>>4099974It's very unlikely Kriselle will suddenly become canon, your best bet is a tragic ending for them in 7B before being used up.
>>4099979Not as much as the rent space they take in your head.
>>4099991Of course you dummy, tragedy fuels kriselle
Maybe I do hate Deltarune.
>>4099980I'm not the only anon annoyed with you, in particular I don't care about you unless you go swinging against whoever you got triggered at today. Not everyone who recognizes you is your personal nemesis.
Chapter 6 will release in June 2027
>>4099998Can't wait to see which theory Toby will choose as his humiliation target next.
>>4099998Who does he think he is stealing a motif and claiming it as his?
>>4099938How did Spamton take over before becoming NEO? He's still changing in the room when you approach the door.
>>4099999
How people see Kris as a girl is a complete mystery to me. Kris and Noelle had the typical "bad boy, good girl" dynamic. This is even depicted in Noelle's angel costume and Kris's devil horns. Kris was clearly trying to get Noelle’s attention with his pranks. He also cheered her up in a boyish way whenever he saw her looking sad. I'm talking about that moment when Kris rocked the cabin on the Ferris wheel. If you had a girl you liked when you were little, you'll get what I'm talking about.
>>4099974lol the game skimps out on the whole festival and has noelle give up on kris t go with susie even though they didnt have any reason to before
>>4100000I need to give you a shadow crystal for these CRIMINAL NUMBERSNext time they will say TRUST THE PROCESS WAIT UNTIL THE END
>>4099943Susie, Kris, and Noelle are all interested in one another
>>4100005>give upAnon-san, Noelle literally told Susie TO GET KRIS
>>4099943You aren't fooling anyone, go back to /sus/.
>>4100003clover's is GENOCIDES... vindicated...
>>4100003tranny get..
>>4100000Checked and it will probably be Suselle haters.
>>4100013Getting big numbers is common in this board, we got it several times, even in this thread we got quints.
>>4100008after spending all her time with SUSIE and going on the ferris wheel with SUSIE
>>4100021And not choosing Susie to tell her how much she hates hometown and go in the lake? lmao
>>4100015>(You) are a creep>Says the dev who made teenage romance is a significant aspect of the plot
What if we talked about something other than shipping
>>4100025Lets talk about how fucking USELESS Napstablook is
>>4100021we've got uhhhh......uh oh.
>>4100000Things that will go down in flames:>Kriselle>Suselle>every Knight theory at once
>>4100025Let's go back to doomposting and Dragon Quest 7 and the MISSION
>>4100015What's so wrong with not liking bad writing?
>>4100023Yeah because she "really really REALLY likes her" and doesnt want her to suffer
The idea of Seam being eram maybe since it's a theory made by people who were not paying attention But that isn't nearly as common as knight, Gaster or friend talk
>>4100021>Tell me to grow wings and let's fly out of this stupid town!Aka Noelle is leaving Susie behind with Kris at her side, dumbass.
>>4100025Let's talk about how Toby raped you in particular with Yellow x Blue.
>>4100027oops >>4100025
>>4100031Noelle is a DET hygergamist Susie has more DET on the normal route so she goes for Susie on the NRKris has more DET on the weird route (but no agency) so she goes for Kris on the WR
>>4100030Because Toby disagrees with you.
>>4100025Uuuuhhh Deltarune good
>>4100021>>4100027Suselletroons, Noelle literally thought about Kris the whole time she was with Susie. She even excitedly wrote Kris's name in a game designed for couples.
>>4100034I thought they were funny though, especially Yellow. Blue was ok, I didn't hate him.
>>4100038Suselle is poorly written, and that's a fact. It's too shallow.
>>4100025Let's talk about how Kris is named after a ritual knife so the Knight's prophesy panel >The Knight which makes with blackened knifecan be read as>The Knight which makes (together) with (Kris)and how the Knight's panel has two hands reaching for the blade from two different sides.
>>4100044Did you know that the Toy Knife was originally called Soul Knife?
7B actually being an eldritch endgame location still has blindsided meI really thought it was just going to be cutscene routeWhy is it so bigI'm scared
>>4100045No actually, was its description the same?
>>4100046It's just a big cutscene with a few boss fights and a couple corridors
Do the eggs and black shards enable some third route or subroutes?I keep having in my head this idea that WR is a gamble, one that you have to basically be near perfect in what you do in it to avoid something more catastrophic than the NR ending to get a better endingBut I feel like the eggs and black shards are likelier to lead to that than a route egged on by a demon?
>>4100041Based progressive respecting that the canon yellow soul takes it in the ass.
I wish there were more solo Kris moments in WR, the NEO fight in 2 was unironically hype and aura
>>4100046>Why is it so bigPlay board 3.
>>4100034i really dont get this argument because its obvious that the flowers are an inversion/corruption of their respective soul>aqua is impatient as fucking shit, if you told her to sit down she'd do it for five seconds before bouncing up and saying "that was fun!">seth doesnt persevere and try to push through an encounter, simply giving up when his plan fails.>orange is a crybaby, hides all the time, and runs away at the slightest insult. not brave in the slightest.>yellow's just straight up fucking retarded and doesnt have a proper sense of justice.>blue has zero integrity, steals and doesnt pay back debts.>green, the only one that matches its soul.like ok? how do the flowers "rape" me?if anything it says that the yellow soul ISNT gay and enjoys BIG FLUFFY $$$$ING TAILS instead of dick.
>>4100052You sure do like thinking about gay sex a lot lol
>>4100031I dunno about you, but i don't think suicide by lake is a good way to not make someone suffer mmm
>>4100051If it's like undertale then I guess the eggs could lead to something like the deltarune version of pacifist?The sword is what confuses me as I don't fully get what it's for past potentially being a way to attack people across layers of reality.
>>4100056>its obvious that the flowers are an inversion/corruption of their respective soulBecause they're jobbers that couldn't beat Asgore, so it's not like the actual souls would have perfect traits (plus only Aqua is the inverse, all the others do follow their traits even if not perfectly, but they try).>if anything it says that the yellow soul ISNT gay and enjoys BIG FLUFFY $$$$ING TAILS instead of dick.Yellow never interacts with Netskie to rape you even more in particular.
>>4100047I think so? It was in the demo if I'm not mistaken. Nowadays it's just used for Kris Patience Soul evidence.
>>4100051Black shards being written into save slots that are shown to you directly in the menu makes me think that they will count towards something important that persists between all routes, but the eggs are still an enigma. I personally think that if they're gonna be actually important then the game will drop at least a hint about what it is directly.
>>4100046You guys are aware that a lot of shit could go wrong with 7B, right? It could start with Kris waking up alone on the other side of the lake while holding a piece of Noelle's clothes still stained with her ashes, or the opposite with Noelle successfully managing to noclip out of reality and waking up who knows where, but Kris drowned and a heartbroken Noelle is now alone and being controlled by the SOUL.
>>4100058This is the gay sex game bro.
>>4100062>Yellow never interacts with Netskie to rape you even more in particular.more evidence, if the yellow flower is an inversion of the yellow soul then that means the yellow soul interacted with a fox!
>>4100051>Side B>Happy endingHow can you believe in that after the ME scene is unbelievable.
>>4100061(Like how the knight was able to slash flowery and Tenna in the dark and light world)
>>4100066>It could start with Kris waking up alone on the other side of the lake while holding a piece of Noelle's clothes still stained with her ashes,Noelle gets used up first so this will happen.
>>4100069Noelle told me snowgrave made her feel powerful, she looks happy from my point of view
>>4100065Fuck I mixed them up with shadowcrystals, whatever
>>4100068But he isn't the inversion, that's just your headcanon cope, yellow cares about following justice even if he’s bad at it, (clover is also a suicidal retard that cares about the blue soul and is bad at following justice btw, so him in particular isn't even the opposite of yellow)
Let's assume Hometown Massacre is correct and that we will get an "Omega" Asgore fight.Congratulations! Toby has decided that (You), yes (You), are gonna be the one in charge of designing the fight. So anon, how would you do it?
>>4100053I wish we had an unwinnable gerson fight, it's weird how he doesn't seems to mind that much Kris going that path, and he has a few unique wr dialogues
>>4100069>the only time you get to assert your presence in a video game you get portrayed as an evil eldtritch monster that only wants to hurt peopleinteresting campaign for your game there
>>4100076>REEEEEEEEEnope, you lost.clover enjoys big fluffy tails and fucks kanako daily.
>>4100077Copy this fangamehttps://youtu.be/czgP_PENgvg
Clover has lesbian sex with Melody daily while Kanako keeps on melting away in the true Lab.
>>4100080>No argument I accept your concession, rape victim
>>4100083silence, shitposter.enjoy this plant.
>>4100067Primarily between women
>>4100082So the real inversion was their genders...
>>4100078That's assuming he actually knows what Kris is doing and where he's going
>>4100084>Shitposter>When he's the one wasting the image limit like a troll???
>>4100034I miss when writers starved for being subversive.
>>4100078Gerson only cares about Susie>>4100080>clover enjoys big fluffy tailsAh so that's why he'd rather kill himself than be stuck with Ceroba
>>4100089>he hates cute plantsyour loss
>>4100088Gerson clearly isn't all-knowing, yeah. He doesn't know what the weird route is all about, just that Kris is bothered about it.
>>4100077Board 3 fight but a bit more complexYou will fight all of them just like mantle, and you can even attack Asgore directly, but it will get easier the more flowers you killI want to add Pink in the fight but she would fit more as the boss that gets oneshot lol
>>4100093Can you post on topic images next time you're having a melty?
>>4100066Yeah I amI simply think it wouldn't start with Kris or Noelle dead like that. Especially now knowing it'll be a pretty big chapter.
>>4100097>REEEEEEEEyou lost.cute plant monsters are cute.
>>4100085The gay guards were always a thing and there's Nice Cream guy being a fag, too.
>>4100099There's on topic plants you can post like Yellow and Blue wholesome love.
>>4100096No matter the genocides Mad Dummy always gets oneshotted...
>>4100101faggotry is off topic for 4chan.
>>4100096Pink is referenced as the singing cat in Mantle (although that could be Catty, too).
>>4100098I think it'll let the illusion of freedom play out for a bit before having it all crash down.
>>4100104Why aren't you banned if that's the case?
>>4100101Open your ass up and see if its still wholesome. No, butt sex is actually NOT appropriate for children who the game was sold to written for.
>>4100107because i like cute things, and by nature of being an anime image posting website cute things are always on topic.
>>4100102Being glad gets you nowhere
>>4100110If you're a raped faggot you aren't cute, though.
>>4100100I don't think you realize how you come off when you show your encyclopedic knowledge of every single gay pairing in the game
>>4100113i wonder who's more raped>the guy that just likes cute things>the guy thats spent nearly three years seething about UTY and trying to cause a cross-thread warcan you help me solve this mystery, anon?
>>4100108>sold to written for.Good morning, sir.
>>4100115The guy who just accused me of being his personal nemesis I guess, I don't care about you to be obsessed for over three years bro. Take your meds.
>>4100118i wonder who needs meds more>the guy that likes cute things>the guy thats seething about cute thingscan you help me sove this mystery, anon?
>>4100114We're in the Deltarune thread, here we know every single plot line and line of dialogue otherwise you're a FAKE FAN.
>>4100119I like the cute and canon blue x yellow romance while you're seething over it, bro?
>>4100088Most likely, but his unique wr dialogue he does seems to notice a bit>nowhere... i can tell you're having some relationship trouble
>>4100122it's not cute. Make the Blue flower a slim lady that sucks nectar from flowers with her long tongue
>>4100122i wonder which is more cute>a straight romance between two cute kids/teens>faggotry between two grown ass mencan you help me solve this mystery, anon?
>Toby is literally Hittler and eats babies>Kriselle is the best thing ever and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong>Suselle is the best thing ever and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong>There are no toxic gay relationships in UTDR, blah blah blah>ERAM is the big bad and this is why>Papyrus is Gaster>Remember Catti? I remember Catti>FemKris is canon>MaleKris is canon>You are a tranny>no u>no uThere. I summarized these threads for you.
>>4100115SEX goddess
>>4100082why are humans so sexy?https://files.catbox.moe/gd6pjh.jpg
>>4100129>Suselle is the best thing ever and anyone who thinks otherwise is wrongEw. No one said that.
The vast majority of ch3's dev time and resources went towards making a completely accurate CRT filter
>>4100129Why would ERAM via DEVICE_FRIEND via SURVEY_PROGRAM via CHARA via GASTER would make Kris do that
Weird Route final boss: DessNormal Route Final boss: Angel's Heaven(5 Eggs Route?) final boss: The Vessel (ERAM possessed)
>>4100125You're a mindless gooner.>>4100130Arrest yourself.
>>4100126>anon cant help me solve any mysteriesuuu... he's really bad at this game!
>>4100138At I'm doing something more than complaining, and making my vision a reality.
Discuss
I don't blame CoL, I blame the people who knowingly respond to him.
>>4100131Because Toby loves us, that's why.
>>4100135>DessLikely to be fought or cutscene killed but not the final thing fought
>>4100126>>4100139>He didn't reply in ten minutes so I winThat's kinda sad, some people go out to have lives. Anyways something that doesn't exist even in a fanfic can't be cute.
>>4100138I don't want to goon to a married lady.
>>4099983https://youtu.be/Mq-kqw2LmOU?si=vIkZ2j4UpvFEGMZ2
>>4100145i wonder who won>the guy who likes cute things>the guy who's spent an hour seething about cute thingscan you help me solve this mystery, anon?
>>4100131That's not Frisk and Chara though.
>>4100140>At I'm doingTop of the morning to you, old chap!
>>4100148I guess you lost then because you're the one seething over what the dog wrote for that amount of time you're keeping track of.
>>4100141we're going to have to fight the prophecy's strongest soldieras expected
Grown men can be cute and women can fall in love with one another.
>>4100151i wonder who's seething>the guy that said "faggotry isnt cute">the guy that said "REEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING YELLOW FAGS YOU'RE NOT CANON STOP IT BWAHHH LEAVE NOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"i dont need help solving this mystery, anon!
>>4100141>chapter 6 is Susie-coloredI guess this chapter will be Susie-centered.>Toby said there will be no more happy times>Kris might reveal themselves as a traitor>Rudy is dying and Noelle will go crazy>Kris took the golden seeds and will kill themselves or kill someonePoor Susie will not have it easy this time. Is it possible that the new Dark World is not in Noelle's house, but in Susie's?
>>4100129Yep, this is our HOME.
>>4100115>>4100119>>4100126>>4100139>>4100148>>4100154Looking at these posts it kind of seems like you're the one seething.
>>4100152>prophecy's strongest soldier>refuses to close castle town fountain>refuses to fight flowery>forces 3 heroes into 4 heroesright
>>4100156Absolute misery porn chapter in this case.Exactly what I was looking for.
>>4100129>>4100157/utg/ 2.0You guys left but got teleported back into autistic shitflinging by the prophecy
>>4100154Yeah, based on that comment you're the one seething lol. Take a chill pill. The dog can't hurt you here.
>>4100154you are based and correct, except for being a. just because yellow and blue are cringe doesn't mean all gay pairings are as bad.Someone saying something that's not canon can't be cute is being absurd. I've read tons of cute fanfictions about UT itself before.
>>4100142CoL is our MC.
>>4100152Finally we're fighting the entire Fun Gang
>>4100159>forces herself to adhere to the requirements of her presumed role>gets the presumed girl involved yep, it's blindly running down the path time
>>4100159You don't know if Castle Town needs to be sealed.The prophecy simply said "THE FLOWER MAN, TRAPPED IN ASYLUM." Asgore, who counts as the Flower Man, was successfully trapped in the asylum of the Shelter.You don't know if Susie will be successful in forcing Noelle into the party. She might not even be around at all because she's too busy freaking out and preemptively grieving HER DYING FATHER'S FINAL BREATHS to care about Susie's delusional schizo fantasy land bullshit.
>>4100159the closing castle town fountain happens at the end anonny
>>4100164whoops, erased some of my own post"except for being a bit much about gay characters."
>>4100164The thing is that what he's claiming is cute doesn't even exist in the fangame he's chilling as better than Yellow x Blue.
>>4100164>except for being a. justHow's the weather in India? Still kinda pooey?
>>4099862I don't understand what you are trying to say
>>4100153Not when you literally replace everything with that.
>>4099862We had hope that the final Shadow Crystal boss would be someone interesting. Instead we got the bad kind of schizo, a delusional retard ghost who's genuinely willing to kill a couple of teenagers because of the vague threat that she can't LARP as an anime catgirl.
>>4100153That's our Deltarune.
>>4099998This one was so bizarre to me because it seems to imply Toby didn't like it when people associated the "freedom" motiff with the secret bosses but then he kept using it for them. I don't get it
>>4100167>presumed girlthen which one is it, is it susie or is it noellebecause if its noelle, noelle has done close to nothing all game getting her involved now doesnt take back everything before
>>4100179Your false idol should have some blacks imported into his gated community in Japan since he loves them so much.
>>4100173sorry anon, that was just a genuine mistake. But I do think that saying characters can't be cute if they aren't canon is silly.>>4100172I don't think a character needs to be in a fangame yet to be cute, because fanart can still be cute, but regardless that's art of one of the flower girls that is in a fangame already.I know these threads aren't about fangames but I'm just saying, something doesn't have to be canon to be cute.Why, I remember a story about undyne watching a movie with frisk and frisk falling asleep on her and it was insanely cute, but it's all made up outside of the games.I also remember some of the old fanfics that were made by the 4chan fanbase for UT back waaay back when, and there were a lot of good and cute ideas in that that would never happen in the actual games.
>>4100159>forces 3 heroes into 4 heroesJust like Mantle's doors with Deltarune having 4 triangles instead of 3. All according to all according to plant.
>>4100129The /v/ migration was a mistake. I would rather go back to these threads lasting weeks
>>4100180It's less that he's mad people are associating the motif with the Shadow Crystal holders, but more that he's saying "it's not the freedom theme and that's not what it's for".Of course, he'll refuse to elaborate, and we probably won't hear the motif again until Chapter 7B because expecting a Seam fight is too much, so there won't be any more bonus bosses to attribute it to on the main route.
The Shadow crystals bosses do not have to be a deep thematically fitting schizo for the story because that's not their purpose, so Pink had no obligation to be a freedom motif Gaster sock puppet. Remember despite Jevil's personality being fitting for the fandom's schizo interpretation, the crystal was retconned into him, so his behavior didn't mean anything
>>4100000CheckedI'm sure it's going to be something that's related to Dess
>>4100135Ch 6 (aborted): NoelleCh 6 (normal): CarolCh 7B: ERAM Ch 7A: The AngelCh 7A (5 Eggs): The Vessel
There's something I'm surprised Krisellefags haven't noticed. Both Noelle and Kris are in a similar situation right now. Next day not only might Rudy die, but it will be noticed that Asgore was kidnapped and is now a missing person. Do you guys think this could be an opportunity for Noelle and Kris to reconnect? I'm sure Toriel will not take her ex-husband disappearing lightly, even if they are not together anymore.
>>4100181presumed is noelle as it's still unclear if the second hero and the girl are one and the same due to dodgy wording her doing nothing prior means nothing, her getting involved at all means the prophecy is still in motion and susie is actively pushing for it
>>4100191Kris won't try to reconnect. He hasn't for the past five chapters even with your encouragement, why would he suddenly try now?Remember, he fully believes himself responsible for the trauma Noelle suffered on THAT HORRIBLE DAY and actively dreams of his nonexistence or everyone hating him.
>>4100184none of this game has gone according to this planlike ralsei not using fire magic or the knight showing up before the heroes only to do nothing, not a single second of this game has gone according to plan because of the Death Note type conspiracy shit slap-dashed onto the epic fantasy story the game was sold as.
>>4100191my running theory is that kris is going to spill the beans to noelle in between chapters before susie can suck her into her delusions both of them losing their fathers at the same time is a good enough excuse to finally try and reconnect
>>4100183I'm talking about the couple he's shilling while claiming Yellow is the opposite of Clover doesn't exist, and even in the fangame Clover is more alike Yellow than his "based heterosexual foxfucker opposite"
>It's TV Time le good, Guardian le bad because it le reuses the chapter motifRemind me again what It's TV Time's melody is you hypocritical fucks
>>4100185These threads didn't exist before Deltarune was banned off /v/ though.
>>4100180It's supposed to push the envelope that motifs aren't that important. Like the Cap'n dojo dialogue where he's tired of mixing motifs.
>>4100194>was sold as.Well I never paid for it so I don't care.
Did I mention I'm playing a better game that handled its respective Shelter Code plot thing ten times better than Deltarune by rewarding you for trying?
>>4100200>Toby's Hussiefication is so bad that he doesn't even care about his music anymore when he was OBSESSED with utilizing leitmotifs correctly in UndertaleNo wonder Deltarune keeps reusing Undertale songs in these recent chapters, holy fucking shit.
>>4100203stop talking until you understand the point of deltarune.
>>4100203why the remake and not the original?
>>4100207You don't know the point of Deltarune either. No one except Toby does, because he's keeping every single relevant detail about this game to himself until Chapter 7.
>Getting all 5 eggs causes ERAM to lash out at (you) directly for interfering with their hold on Kris Maybe the idea of the eggs leading to a secret third alt. Path is a bit much. Alt sub-area maybe (like how pacifist had the true lab)? But DR deviates with how it's the WR that gets the alt. zone so maybe not?
>>4100208Orchestral Ost. Preferred Script and namings for spells and stuff.
>>4100152>>4100156I do wonder what this means about where the Dark World will be if Susie is apparently the theme. Fits with reverse ut and the ruins being the next area.
>>4100209i get it because im not a retard, stop talking until you understand it.
>>4100200that doesn't make sense Cap'n says with his boys he could interweave each others leitmotifs all day
>>4100210It's just gonna be bonus lore that gives more details about THAT HORRIBLE DAY, because even during Chapter 7 Toby won't be able to help himself and find a way to vaguepost about it, barely telling us anything we didn't already know, because he wants you to go replay the whole-ass dipshit game and grab these miscellaneous doodads for an extra expository cutscene.
>>4100185Have you thought of stop coming to these threads so often? It worked out for me. And besides, /v/ is so shit, it makes posters of these threads look like actual intellectuals
>>4100210Maybe it'd infest the last chapter with swarms of demonic cats stalking you
>>4100213Then explain what the point of Deltarune is. We'll see if it still holds up by the time Chapter 7 and 7B come out.
>>4100203Oh is this that monster girl indie game? I heard the shopkeeper rapes you if you steal her shit.
>>4100203The hell is with you guys and Dragon Quest 7
>>4100196yellow and clover are indeed pretty different, since clover is very muted with his emotions, and yellow is very boisterous in his. Yellow is self sacrificial as his entire character while clover is a child who ran out of options and gives up his life in one single circumstance.yellow is probably the best flower in my opinion, but he's brought down by blue, not because blue is a man, but because blue is utilized in the story as a wet towel over whatever scene is actually taking place. Realistically yellow would have given up his soul much sooner in clovers shoes because of his self sacrificial nature being in such overdrive. I suspect around the wild east, as he would have heard the quiz monster telling him just before that, about monsterkinds plight and needing the souls. this isn't a condemnation of the character, but he's fairly different from the fankid and people stretch the statement that they are super similar.there's also no world in which I see yellow going genocide route. he doesn't have it in him. he's more like the old OLD weaver comic where it implies the yellow soul travels to asgore to give up his soul.I think trying to impose toby's flowers over existing fankids is a fools errand and also discourages people from coming up with unique takes, instead just falling back on "well I'm supposed to depict them as the flowers right?". And non canon things can be cute. Extremely so. If you need canon to back up the cuteness of something, you didn't believe in it's cute power in the first place.
>>4100215Gameplay still happened in ch 5 despite the vagueI just feel like tampering with whatever has a hold on Kris will piss it off and these eggs seem to undermine its hold?
>>4100212>the ruinsI have a hunch that the ruins and the shelter are connected. What if the bunker and the ruins are part of the exact same subterranean complex?
>>4100220nta, but i have no idea and it concerns me since it's my favorite rpg.
>>4100210I don't think all 5 eggs causes ERAM to hunt you down, maybe just a single egg>But DR deviates with how it's the WR that gets the alt. zone so maybe not?probably going to be the secret boss of the chapterThe real question, how likely is Kris is going to lose his hand?I have heavy doubts that it's going to be something permanent or something Toby will commit. For sure won't be like Lisa The Painful
>>4100220It's CoL's favorite Dragon Quest and he compares it to Deltarune a lot
>>4100218that the story is doomed because the "hero" wont let you do what has to be done to save the day, and that you have to do whatever you can to rip control away from him or make him let you do what has to be done.>inb4 but i dont LIKE that!!!! i should just be able to-then deltarune is not for (you). leave or stop talking.
I still think making a doomer bingo is best way to predict CH6.Or you could just make a regular one. That's cool.
>>4100230doomer bingo is funnier if it comes/ doesn't come true
>>4100129We’re becoming Noellepilled. Trapped in an endless cycle of repeating the same shit over and over again while silently seething about and praying for ANYTHING new to happen
>>4100220He likes it because he has trouble sleeping and playing the most boring bog standard jrpg helps
>>4100191Kris doesn't want to reconnect, though.
>>4100229but you cant make him let you do that, so what the fuck is the point
>>4100236stop talking, the game isnt finished yet.
>>4100222>Yellow is self sacrificial as his entire character while clover is a child who ran out of options and gives up his life in one single circumstance.It was honestly pretty hilarious of toby to be like "uty has the most retarded sacrifice scene in gaming? alright then yellow will be a suicidal retard to make fun of you faggots lmao."
>>4100237its literally too late now8 years is enough time to make judgement
>>4100240stop talking, you're retarded.
>>4100222He's still isn't the gigachad foxfucker Yellow opposite that anon made up, that's the entire point. Obviously the fanmade souls are different from Toby's interpretation of them via the flowers, it's just that anon was delusional with muh opposite cope to deny what happened in Deltarune.
>>4100230Just scroll through any of our threads to fill your card, dummy. You freaking silly goose.
>>4100230The only boss the chapter will have is the one mentioned in the newsletter. That's my doomer prediction.
>>4100242right, he's a bottom thats just kanako's boytoy.
>>4100240No, because Toby had the wise idea of making us wait 8 years to still not even know basic plot information like the core motives of our protagonist and antagonist, because knowing those would, apparently, instantly clue us in on what the fever dream ending is supposed to be that even the biggest retard can guess with 500% accuracy, thereby nullifying all surprise and suspense and leaving players disappointed with that sense of "aha, I KNEW IT! But uh... wow, I really waited all this time for that, huh?"
>>4100247I don't like surprises. Some surprises can give a man a heart attack.
>>4100240>8 yearsI pity you. I played Deltarune for the first time like two months ago. I can't imagine what it must have been like waiting for so long.
>>4100249honestly the part that actually sucked dick was waiting for 3+4
>>4100247Nobody "made you" wait 8 years you could have just forgotten about Deltarune in the meantime but you decided to be autistic
>>4100250Yeah, that part of the WAIT was dreadful. But the Chapter 2 era before we got the release date announcement was incredible, fan content galore, Spamton Sweepstakes, and everyone actually liked having fun.Then for some reason when 3+4 happened, everyone turned miserable and anti-fun, and even Toby is spiteful now.
>>4100247i am once again posting the most important post ch5 videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0Y72jYujrY
>>4100244I'll probably cobble one together a doomer based on my own personal fears + posts from the thread. So far I got:>twisted sword is just a strong weapon with no story relevance>twisted sword is not craftable until chapter 7>kris plays third wheel to Suselle AGAIN>ralsei and noelle still never interact>MORE vagueposting>toby makes fun of people who dislike suselle>no secret boss>carol still gets no focus>trans ralsei>chapter 6 is a glorifed cutscene>noelle still barely gets any development in the normal route>rudy is miraculously cured
What are the chances that we might get Chapters 6 and 7 at the same time? I just find it weird that Toby is working on 7B already.
CoL is vox theory
>>4100256???
>>4100255unlikely, but im really hoping he decides to bundle them together
>>4100255zerohe's going to milk this as long as he can before his reputation implodes with ch7
>>4100255I think he woulda said so if that was the case
>>41002557B comes right after 5. Did you sleep through all your math classes or something?
>>4100254>>twisted sword is just a strong weapon with no story relevance>>kris plays third wheel to Suselle AGAIN>>ralsei and noelle still never interact>>MORE vagueposting>>toby makes fun of people who dislike suselle>>noelle still barely gets any development in the normal routeI can see all of these happening
>>4100254>rudy is miraculously curedused to think this too, but toby confirming ch6 is gonna be tragic makes me think otherwise.
What do you think they do during dark worlds? Like does it actually transform the space or are they just wandering around the room mumbling and knocking into furniture?
how schizopilled are (You)?
>>4100237dont say the game point is making it so you can do what needs to be done if you cant do that for the whole game and in fact get punished for making the simplest of movements now by getting shoved into a garbage can
>>4100263It's going to be tragic because it will make you yearn for the days when 5 was the worst
>>4100266you're retarded, stop talking.
>>4100263ch5 was the tragic one, just fucking abysmal all around by doing ch3 and ch4 but worse
>>4100266That's not being punished, retard. That's Kris being an edgy cunt who refuses to communicate or cooperate with anyone except his buttbuddy Knight because he's the ANTAGONIST.
>>4100270and the game just expects you to pretend it never happened just to keep moving? It makes every interaction feel meaningless, makes it hard to give a shiti dont feel any point if you cant do the thing the game is telling you to do
>>4100230
>>4100268Toby Fox is the retard, he funded people who would kill him without a second thought.
>>4100271No, you're supposed to remember it, and go "wow, the audacity of this faggot bastard". Even Susie realizes "what the fuck? why is Kris making fountains?" but she's in total denial about it, because she doesn't yet want to cut off their friendship while he's still useful to her.
>>4100273>buh-you're retarded. stop talking.
>>4100272>noelle obliterates castle town>he thinks noelle will even in school in chapter 6
>>4100242>He's still isn't the gigachad foxfucker Yellow opposite that anon made uphe could be, it doesn't contradict with anything in his character. his a gritty young man who could honestly go either way, could be shipped with all sorts of angles straight or gay. We don't really get anything about that because it's not in the scope of the story, but we get enough hints about his personality to tell that he's not like yellow is. He's quiet, has a permanent poker face that is different from frisks neutral face, and seems to have an infectious personality, probably having a little bit of that cowboy charisma that he plays at being.There's also the fact that the argument started with "toby raped you with yellow x blue" which is just asking for a disingenuous fight since, as you said they are obviously not direct representations.the inversions were also stated by that anon first here>>4100056talking about how their actual traits don't match up with their soul virtues, which to be fair, they could be people that failed to match their virtues, but the bulk of the post wasn't even about "gigachad" stuff like you said.Also I think the lack of integrity is actually spot on for blue, but it's also part of my own issue with blue, that it's not played off as a character flaw or makes him interesting, but contributes to that wet towel feeling I described earlier.if anything, what I see is someone was being reasonable at first, got attacked, and was justified in taking the argument less and less seriously. I mean come on, it started with "yellow and blue raped you" just because someone suggested not arguing while posting a fangame image that was topical to the statement of "stop it."This all started with the assertion that somehow y/b should impact them when realistically as we agreed, the flowers are different from the fallen humans.
>>4100276It interrupts and intrudes on every singe aspect of the gameplay and makes it impossible to enjoy the game.
>>4100276You cant just have it so you cant do anything about it for multiple yearsat that point, skipping to chapter 6 gets the same resultwho the fuck cares at that point
>>4100280Your nigger ass had eight years to realize maybe Kris is going to be the kind of character who will ruin the experience for you when Chapter 1 ended on this insane stinger moment of him tearing the soul out of his chest, throwing it into a cage, and then grinning like Evil Chara at the screen while drawing a knife.
>>4100273You won't do shit.
>>4100282the game forgot about it the moment chapter 2 started, and it didnt intrude on the gameplay then
>>4100276>because she doesn't yet want to cut off their friendship while he's still useful to her.>while he's still useful to her.What a depressing fag you are. Susie is a retard with a pure heart. She genuinely cares for Kris and loves them as her best bro, which is why it will suck so hard when she realizes she was being used by Kris.
>>4100265i hover from trousling bones to toby tiera few things in there i'm 100% certain on
>>4100282>when Chapter 1 ended on a red herring
>>4100284It didn't forget, it literally reminded you with a flashback to a scene when Kris having a knife was something that scared the shit out of Toriel. And then the entire end of Chapter 2 was Kris being a bastard who sneaks out of his house, slashes his mom's car tires, and then makes a Dark Fountain in his own fucking living room.And not ONCE during that period where you play the game for free did you consider "hmm... if this kid is doing stuff like that, he's probably gonna get even more niggerly later. I should pass on this game and save myself the frustration" despite all the piling signs?
>>4100280Kris doing things outside the player's control is a key aspect and feature of the story. This was established since the ending of Chapter 1 which recontextualizes it was in fact a thing since the vessel creator in the first 3 minutes of the game. If you don't like it, shouldn't have kept playing.
>>4100286Ah yes, she genuinely cares so much that she wants to get rid of their bro time and make it "Suselle + Third Wheel" time.No, she's swallowing the pill that Kris is up to some bullshit, investing in Noellecoin, and getting ready to pull out of Kris stocks.
>>4100286She takes everything Kris has and throws him away for a crumb of doeussy. She used him up.
>>4100068never post shattered decade EVER
>>4100288It was a double ruse. Chapter 2 start made you think Kris was innocent, then Chapter 2 end makes you realize "hey wait a fucking minute, if he's going around opening fountains, what the fuck did he do ON TOP of going to go eat pie?"
>>4100291Don't replace my shit with that and expect me to call it normal.
>>4100283He's a retard, but don't defend blm
>vessel boss
>>4100282ch1's ending was so obviously bait i can't help but mildly respect toby for doing it he 100% knew that people would think that kris was going to commit the genocidesit being a rug pull was not a surprise and people have only themselves to blame for falling for in it after a single chapterevery other cliffhanger ending was bullshit though
>>4100283I wont give him a cent again. Neither should you, the guys he funded would literally come into your home and murder your mother.
>>4100147Susellefags, everyone.This just isn't healthy
>>4099547there we go
>>4100292>>4100293Dude, Kris hasn't shown any kind of affection toward Noelle in front of Susie. Noelle herself told Kris in the church that she was surprised to hear Kris congratulate her for her singing since Kris never said anything nice to her when they were kids. Yes, I believe Kris loves or used to love Noelle, but Kris is a retard, and that's not Susie's fault.
Ch 1 cliffhanger was relevant in that it established Kris would be having their own agenda But I noticed that people didn't really catch on until ch 3+4 despite it being there the whole time
>>4100307Its Toby Fox's fault for writing it.
>>4100299It was never replaced. It was there since DAY one. You deluded yourself into thinking Deltarune was something it never was because you decided to ignore things that would annoy you later. Imbecile.
>>4100291You cant tell the whole world how excited you are and recommend the game to everyone you know if it is unpleasant in that way on purpose.
>>4100308>Ch 1 cliffhanger lied!Kris is separate from you as core aspect of the story establish >Ch 2 lied!You went to a TV world and fought a TV man in ch 3>Ch 4Okay yeah that one was bs and felt like they saw ch 4 as the season 1 finale of a 2 season show instead of the mid story escalation point it came off as.
>>4100147>start babbling about lgbt erasure in the king and queen sceneeverybody deep down including these weirdos see kris as a boy it's actually crazy, fucking lmao
Do you think Toby is ACTUALLY happy with the current state of Deltarune?Think about it for a second. Him acting defensive in the latest newsletter makes me believe he has some awareness that chapter 5 is weak in some places, and how the most relevant character is the one he made 5 years ago. And despite all that, Deltarune still doesn't the cultural phenomenon that Undertale had in its first 5 years.Like, imagine spending more than a decade of your life working on your supposed dream game, and not only it's still being overshadowed by the game that you considered to be a test to make the said dream game, but the test game in some areas BETTER than your dream game (better pacing and more cohesive story)
>>4100308Nah Kris Knight existed cuz of Chapter 2 making it blatant this dude had plans
>>4100315am I the only one who hasn't noticed this supposed passive-aggressiveness in Toby's latest newsletter?
>>4100311I like a gameYou didn't like a gameNo crimes commited except your endless fucking crying over Toby fox raping you
>>4100315>And despite all that, Deltarune still doesn't the cultural phenomenon that Undertale had in its first 5 years.??? it's massive everywhere except maybe japan funnily enough i understand some of you are displeased with the game as it is right now but stop making shit up
>>4100308Because most people were younger and dumber and didn't think about the broader implications, or they were viewing things from a biased perspective.One thing you have to remember is that Kris Knight was an extremely popular belief back in the 1-2 era, so anyone who wasn't onboard with Kris Knight vehemently denied the possibility of Kris doing anything OTHER than eating pie at the end of Chapter 1 because Kris doing any more would be fuel for a belief they don't agree with.
>>4100286>Susie is a retard with a pure heart.LMAO She's so pure-hearted that she told her best friend to fuck off from the beach because the beach is now just for her and Noelle.
>>4100315if he's unhappy with the state of the game/ fanbase, it's his own damn fault he was working on ch5 for 5 years, including after splitting it from 3&4 because it wasn't ready with how long it was in development, it should have been far and away the best chapter releasedbut it wasn't, people still argue whether that title goes to ch2 or ch4, with chapter 5 being seen as the most mediocre of the bunch at best, or flat out the worst any and all weaknesses of the chapter all trace back to his decisions when making it
>>4100316Working with the knight did turn out to be the case
>>4100286Indeed. So pure that it recognizes that it'll be tainted by sticking around with Kris any longer, so she's getting ready to bail on him once she no longer needs him and can rely on Noelle, Ralsei, and her Castle Town bootlickers for the rest of her life.
>>4100310Yeah, I don't want to spreading to OTHER games, the games I love. I don't want that shite to touch them or someone should subvert Toby Fox into a jail cell in Guantanamo Bay, where terrorist supporters like him belong.
>>4100315Toby is so confident he's telling HIS story the way HE wants despite half his fandom telling him this looks like a bad idea. He's clearly very satisfied with his choices
>>4100286susie is immensely selfish and will drop people instantly if they do something she doesn't approve of, like toriel she only forgave lancer because he wasn't fighting back at all and she isn't too stupid to have not seen that her treatment of kris on the ch5 normal route is fucking abhorrent, this is how she treats her 'best friend'?
>>4100329Mind? BROKEN.
>>4100315Eh? He wanted to make a game based on some dream and the game he made beforehand is letting it come to light regardless of my opinions on it. Even the previous game still has his influenced worming its way into DR and important enough to play beforehand. So even if you're writing it off as a test game it's still pretty important to the dude. He's already made his mark and Deltarune is still popular so, meh.
>>4100325People don't even argue Chapter 4 is the best anymore, 5 retroactively tainted 4 because we all thought the fact that this was "the halfway mark" meant the game would finally start getting serious and progressing properly.2 remains king, and that's definitely bruising Toby's ego because 2 is the most Undertale-like chapter in the whole game, something he committed to because people were so quick to calling Deltarune "Undertale 2", seeing Lancer as the next Papyrus, the Kris stinger being "Evil Chara possesses Kris and goes on genocides again!!! Sans rematch!!!" that he just accepted that Deltarune won't escape Undertale's shadow, so he ditched Evil Medusa Queen and the creepier Darkners, made everyone sillier, cuter or weirder, and the rest was history.
>>4100334DEPORT. He gave money to people who murdered members of my family.
What random old school memes do you think will be in 6
>>4100324Have you ever heard of setting boundaries? Susie now associates the beach with dates and cute shit. Imagine inviting your bros to the same place you and your gf go to be alone.
>>4100337Ah, so the vendetta FINALLY comes clean. It was NEVER about the game, you were NEVER going to be happy about it.
>>4100340i needa know where the fuck its at first bro
>>4100300>>4100303I don't have to because you won't do shit lmao
>>4100324>last night>"yeah lets sit here for a minute man, we need a bit of a breather before we go confront your empty house.">this night>"we dont need to go to the beach to destress, despite tonight's situation being worse than last night. the beach is me and noelle's special place now!"how heart broken would you be if CH6 opens up in the middle of the night with kris sitting on the beach alone with the soul just sitting right next to him?>>4100341see above, the problem is that they literally just went to the beach last night for a bro moment.
>>4100337Sorry let me rephrase it: Mind? RAPED.
>>4100315At this point, i think i have seen way more new fans that didn't even touch Undertale lol
>>4100330>He's clearly very satisfied with his choicesI wonder for how longEvery artist, no matter the medium, will look back at their own work and think it's shit, even if you think it's notAn artist's harshest critic is almost always the artist themselves
>>4100249Good on you, I think getting on the ride right now, right after ch5 is probably the best entry point we've had so far.
>>4100341Yet she doesn't think to make up a new "bro time" space?Can't be the diner because she wanted Noelle there too (even if Noelle ultimately decides it's best to let them have some personal space, Susie will force her in anyway), can't be Castle Town because Dark Worlds aren't an "us thing" anymore.She truly does not give a shit for Kris anymore after catching on that he's making Dark Fountains, which therefore means he's hiding something from her, which therefore means he's crossing the "cut ties ASAP" threshold that Toriel broke when she got drunk and danced with Sans.Her best friend dynamic is performative now. She's fully investing in Noelle and Castle Town.
>>4100249its been a wild fucking ride, honestly.that said, despite how shit the 3+4 wait was, i wouldnt trade it for being able to experience the game all at once for the first time.go explore the spamton sweepstakes, anon.
>>4100290Then in 3 we had the Shadow Crystal showing you the TV being smashed to pieces, not cleaved. Some grim shit definitely happened/was supposed to happen in the house.
>>4100342It was about the game, but when I heard about that this became personal. I don't like terrorists, he funded terrorists. Anyone who funds terrorists who killed my family should be arrested. Don't fund the terrorists.
>>4100307>Dude, Kris hasn't shown any kind of affection toward Noelle in front of SusieSee >>4099900Kris genuinely wants to protect Noelle. That’s exactly why he distanced himself from her. So he wouldn’t drag her into this shitshow. And what does that stupid bitch Susie do at the end of Chapter 5? She drags Noelle into this mess. Not only did she make him the third wheel, she also ruined his plans. Kris sacrificed his relationship with Noelle to protect her, and then Susie, that fucking bitch, went and ruined it all. IT MIGHT HAVE ALL BEEN FOR FUCKING NOTHING.
>>4100318i didn't either, but i did see this paragraph as apologetic.>However, I do think it’s important to mention, sometimes you don’t have all the information, or I had a different expectation about how certain info would be interpreted or combined.to me it reads as if he's preparing people for the fact that some theories have been wrong from their inception, and if we're assume that he's only familiar with the most popular ones since he doesn't go out of his way to actively consume that stuff, perhaps dess/rudy knight are in major danger
>>4100141ALL my apes on ERAM no matter the context
>>4100361oops for >>4100230
>>4100361You can't just attribute everything in the game to the Mantle Holder
>>4100336>>4100361>Eldritch primordial being buried in the code >Chapter ending with a fight against it in a hopeless encounter that only alt. Ends in that the way the doom plays out is different Eram will be the gro goroth of deltarune
>>4100360Abnormal Dess/Entity made in Dess's Likeness are the only viable Knight candidates at this point, the reveal that Knight has existed since THAT HORRIBLE DAY means any normal Lightner in Hometown now has a secret "I fucking HATE December Holiday and I want the world to BURN" agenda that just doesn't seem to make sense with any of our known characters.
>>4100318Yeah
>>4100320Subversion is a crime.
>>4100360At this point theoryfags don't deserve to be let down gently. I hope he mocks them openly. Some people only want to see their theories come true and don't care about anything else, there's no helping them anymore.
>>4100329I'm convinced there isn't an ounce of love in your heart.
>>4100349Toby has pretty much said that if even one person ends up liking the game then that's good enough for him. Maybe it will change in the future but as it is even if the ending has a severely negative reception, he'll have his head stuck in the sand and not listen to any of it.
>>4100372>piece of media that's subversive>it's actually contempt for the medium and everyone who enjoys that mediumMany such cases!
>>4100371How do you feel about the Mother series?
>>4100357Did you ever consider that maybe your family deserved to die?
>>4100378I heard that one a lot, that's probably what Toby Fox thought when he funded my cousin's killers.Doesn't matter, don't fund terrorists with my money.
>>4100360noelle knighters will be laughing at the top along with femkrisfags when they receive the 'right all along' award
>>4100307as the second guy said, the whole thing its ALL been for is to keep noelle safe.he's pushing her away to keep her safe because he knows that the second he shows any affection she'll be glued to his side (see: CH4WR), which forces her into the dark world mess with him, and she fits the role of the girl just as well as susie (if not better)kris had a fucking panic attack in CH2 because pink and yellow are the colors of fucking demons, and NOELLE IS RIGHT THERE IN THE DARK WORLD.kris is depressed as fucking shit because not only has his loved one been stolen from him, but the criminal has decided to drag her into the dark and undo all of his work.there's a very real chance that we see kris speak for the first time in CH6 and its him threatening susie.
>>4100380>noelle knighters will be laughing at the top along with femkrisfags>noelle knighters
>>4100376I only like Earthbound. I am not fond of Mother 3, both in terms of story and gameplay.
>>4100361Real chapter 6 shelter hours ain't it?
I am worried that whatever dramatic moments the game is preparing are gonna fall completely flat for me. As it stands post chapter 5, I'm either indifferent or have a genuine dislike of all the major characters in the story, so I really can't see myself being invested in whatever trials and tribulations they will go through in the future, honestly if I'm invested it will only be out of a desire to see them suffer.
>>4100379You paid for it lmao. You killed them.
>>4100391yeah, thats horrible.
>>4100379I'm sure your cousins are cursing your name from hell when they learned from Satan that you funded a man who funded their murderers.
>>4100379>>4100391based anon going GENOSLIDES against his own familyguess thats why he loved the CH1 fakeout, reminded him of himself.
>>4100390I'm worried that Weird/B was meant to be a secret discoverable second playthrough thing and that by doing it first I'll be getting a more satisfying conclusion than whatever Normal has.
>>4100390Sucks to be you lmao
Oh, anon...Is it fun, anon? Provoking a lolcow like this..
>>4100395It's almost guaranteed to be the main context behind the fever dream ending at this point, which is why I'm holding off on playing it until I've gotten everything out of the Normal Route first.
>>4100383
>>4100397This is America. The land of the free to get killed by whoever has guns
>>4100400Just be born into the right jewish family.
>>4100397This shit feels like psychosis
>>4100395Weird Route was absolutely something meant to be discovered later. I would argue it's the final route, the one you play in your search for a way to get a different ending. Assuming you have the full game and you're going in blind, the progression would probably look something like Normal -> Normal with Shadow Crystals -> Weird
What if ch 6 has a 6th egg in the sixth room?
>>4100397That's why you're searching for them, aren't you?The (YOU) CRYSTALs...
>>4100405a sixth egg room would almost certainly be a trap, based on how the man tells kris to not seek them out anymore
>>4100405Sadly eggman said his goodbye, just like StarWalker, and the Moss, and the CrystalsAnd
>>4100404My cope is that it's still not the final route and that it goes from Normal, to Weird, then in a later Weird moment it tells you when you should've stopped, making Aborted the final route.
>>4100407Third Route theories are justified when we have all these key items lying about not accounted for and how you can abort the weird route as late as ch 5 by drowning
>>4100409We don't know how cross-game save file edits play outBut it May just fuck a better ending like genocide does
>>4100359why didn't Kris try to intervene, then?
Clearing the doubts regarding the potential Twisted Route is the main reason I look forward to 6. We will finally be able to know of it exists or not and put this thing to rest once and for all.
>>4100414Because that would require the story to meaningfully progress and character motives to be spelled out directly before Chapter 7, and then you could predict the fever dream ending of the entire game.
>>4100414Susie told Kris that Noelle will become part of their adventures right at the end of chapter 5 and then she left to Castle Town. Kris had no time.
>>4100390Why are you still playing the character centric game you don't like the characters anymore. Literally just leave
>>4100414I told him not to.
>>4100415>we will finally know something in a pre-7 chapterWho wants to tell him?
>>4100418I want to learn more about the story since as a whole I still find it interesting even if I dislike most of the major characters. Also I like the gameplay and music. And I also like the weird route, what I mentioned mostly applies to the normal route.
>>4100415>Swapping the Carol fight in ch 6 to be a Noelle fight on an aborted/twisted ch 6Probably wouldn't occur, right?
>>4100408>final starwalker>egg man signalling there's no more>last mossi guess the fun really is over, huh? maybe we can get some bed inspector content near the end
>>4100415>the potential Twisted RouteYou know you're next Toby's theory chopping block, right?
>>4100420If chapter 6 doesn't show any signs at all of a third route related to the aborted weird route existing, then I don't think thinking it would be sensible to think we're getting 7C out of the blue.
>>4100414>why didn't Kris try to interveneSusie said she plans to invite Noelle to Castle Town only at the end of the chapter. After that, Kris walked out of scene as sad piano notes played. If Kris intervenes, it'll only be behind the scenes, where we can't see. Or maybe he'll do something in Chapter 6.
>>4100426I actually don't believe in the twisted route, but some people do, and 6 will finally clear the whole thing up. If it doesn't exist then that's completely fine by me, it's what I was expecting in the first place.
>>4100424My hopium:>ch 1-5: collecting key items / event flags>ch 6-7: more altered by key items and event flags, but no new key items / event flags
>>4100430That so many of them cutoff with ch 5 may be because of some structural aspect like thatSo we have>Starwalker>Eggs>Blackshards>Castletown Status / recruits>Tenna Status (?)>Noelle / WE Status>MossWhat other ones?
Reminder that every single chapter ending was a fake out of some kind>Kris is evil, just kidding>Kris is the Knight, just kidding (kinda)>The bunker is open, just kidding>Susie is questioning the soul, just kiddingAnd soon it will be>Noelle is getting involved again, just kidding
>>4100429>6 will finally clear the whole thing up>implying
>>4100434Jackenstein, Berdly (dunno how he'd play into it doe, and maaaaybe Pink?
>>4100436There are so many ways to avoid getting Noelle to join the party that I'm almost willing to bet money on that.
Late adopters are lucky since with every chapter available you can just go from 1 to 3 to 7
>>4100443>1 to 3Bro just go straight to 7
>>4100436>Noelle is getting involved again, just kiddingIt will be this. It's probably gonna go something like >School is cancelled/Noelle doesn't go to class>Whole welcoming party was for nothing(Ralsei knew this was gonna happen beforehand and did nothing about it by the way)>Given the circumstances Susie tells Kris that it's better if he goes to talk to Noelle instead of her, even better if she's at her house since Susie wouldn't be allowed in there >Stuff happens and you get a dark world and another Kris and Noelle section
>>4100428I fully believe Kris will go visit Noelle right away without the SOUL. Think about it, Kris's cellphone has multiple missed calls (probably from Toriel), and Rudy might be dead. Kris comforting Noelle isn't that weird given they do exactly that in the WR. I doubt Kris will try to explain Dark Worlds to Noelle at such a bad moment tho, maybe just a cute moment between old friends.
>>4100441And even if it gets past that theres still a few odd things that can happen that make Noelle getting involved way less special. Like say, Kris/Susie gets rid of Tenna offscreen if you've refused thus far so the two never interact for the entire game (Susie would do it because Tenna asked inconveniently at the last second). Or the dungeon is inaccesible so she cant meet King
>>41004443 is the best one though.
>>4100446>Kris will go visit Noelle right away without the SOUL.This, he'll tell Noelle that Susie is gay and Noelle will feel disgusted because she only had sex with and got married to Susie as friends.
>>4100446If Noelle gets even a hint that it wasn't a dream and dark worlds are real while at Rudy's deathbed, she's opening that shit just for a slight chance to heal him. Now would that actually be Kris' plan? I can see it being useful to him personally depending on who the Knight wants to capture next or if the plan is to continue stalling Susie out of getting the shelter codes before the next week. Because a Dark world with Noelle is just the perfect Susie bait and the perfect Suselle breaker since Noelle won't agree to close it. Maybe it's even something to lure the Knight into meeting Noelle. A lot to be exploited in this situation depending on what's on the table for Kris.
eram or gaster fight
I don't know what it is but I always imagine Noelle with a dopey male voice and every serious scene with her falls flat for me. Maybe it's because she basically looks like an ugly dude or something.
I don't know what it is but I always imagine Susie with a dopey male voice and every serious scene with her falls flat for me. Maybe it's because she basically looks like an ugly dude or something.
>>4100463cringe>>4100465true!
>>4100393You have something to say against my family?
I don't know what it is but I always imagine Kris with a dopey male voice and every serious scene with her falls flat for me. Maybe it's because she basically looks like an ugly dude or something.
>>4100468No but they might, you didn't even kill them for a lot of money, you just spent like 20 bucks to have them murdered. That's cold.
>>4100473You said they're in hell. Do you know something I don't?And don't you call me a killer, by that logic anyone here that paid Toby Fox is a killer.
>>4100465ive always headcanoned from her "voice" clips that in reality susie has a deep, ugly voice that takes some getting used to, something like alice from superjailI don't blame people for giving her just a regular teenage girl voice doe
I'm a Switchchad through and through but I just idorted and bought Deltarune on PC when I heard it carries the added bonus of killing CoL's family
susie brays like a jackass
>>4100478You don't mean that.
>>4100254>Trans ralseiLets be real that's not happening. And if it is, its probably on Chapter 7.I actually kinda of want a bingo.
>>4100474Why did you pay to send your cousins straight to hell?
>>4100318>passive aggressiveThe post said defensive
>>4100484I didn't.
>>4100249You're probably the most sane anon ITT for not experiencing it this way, don't listen to the faggots with stockholm syndrome.
>>4100239That's why I love Toby, he's on the same wavelength as me.
>>4100239>make fun of youanon i hate to break it to you but the most common opinion about yellow from yellow fans is that it does, in fact, have a retarded self sacrifice scene that could've been solved by thinking about it for a minute.
>>4100279>as we agreed, the flowers are different from the fallen humans.Speak for yourself, I personally like the headcanon that the flowers are actually the humans. I think it enhances their tragedy and adds more flavor to the game as I really don't like any fanmade take of them. I love seeing art of people drawing their Undertale selves.
>>4100308Kris Knighters did, but that's about it. A lot of people thought Kris was an innocent victim.
>>4100494>Speak for yourself,as we agreed as in, me and the person I was talking to who said"Toby's interpretation of them via the flowers"it's fine if you want to imagine them being like that, but it's also very clear that toby posed it as "this is one way it could be." and not "here is the de facto fallen children that if you don't follow you are now sinning upon the church of underhertail.">that the flowers are actually the humansthey are interpretations of what they could be like. it's clear from how toby said in the news letter the importance of depicting orange as a mouse to illustrate that they aren't actually humans.
>>4100315I think he's pretty happy as he already said several times that's he's content as long as one person likes the game.
>>4100497The wrong people like the game
>>4100475headcanon vas? i got a couple>kris - david gallagher (riku kh1)>susie - kimberly brooks (jasper)>ralsei - antony del rio (pit)>noelle - this chick https://youtu.be/No1ScxAWrGA>berdly - william salyers (rigby)
>>4100482I do actually, there are a lot of cool mods for the game that I'd been thinking of and this was the perfect excuse to double dip so I finally have the PC version.
>>4100489You literally did, they died because you bought the game. You funded their murder which is pretty hardcore of you to have done.
>>4100436I think the fakeout is that the welcome party for Noelle will go well. It certainly won't and Noelle learning the Dark Worlds are real will lead to the Roaring.
>>4100496It was very clear that the whole conversation you were having was bait. Claiming Toby personally raped you is a common thing here. Some sects here really are more senstive than others. Also I clearly said it was my headcanon in my post.
>>4100501Berdly should be the rival scientist kid from Dexter's Lab, Kris shouldn't sound too cool and should sound believably male or female but not unfitting for either one.
>huge Deltarune fan excited to pay for his family to get Hometown Massacred for the first time
>>4100508>Claiming Toby personally raped you is a common thing here.yes and I wasn't the person it was said to. it's a silly thing to say and it explains why the conversation went as it did, which I already said. and I accepted it being your headcanon, also clearly in my post.
>>4100511You paid to burn down your cities
>>4100515Is this your new cope? You take a look at any city and tell me it couldn't use a good burning.
Are we having fun yet?
>>4100515is THE MOD still in development? it's always sad to see someone fall into complete lunacy when they had something that was keeping them lucid.
>>4100522It won't be done until the game is done
>>4100512It's just common bait and shitposting bro, especially to the dozen comments that happen daily about discussing something else, people always move to bait another controversial topic after another. I mean as we speak people are baiting CoL into some off-topicslop
>>4100524coollet's hope you don't hurt yourself or god forbid someone else before that happens
>>4100525yes and I still responded sincerely, attempting to have the discussion. just because we like to post silly stuff doesn't mean we have to turn this into a shitposting chamber. or leave it as one depending on how you see it.>I mean as we speak people are baiting CoL into some off-topicslopI can only laugh at the crazy person so many times before I ask myself why we're still doing it.
>>4100529We're making our own schizoboss, duh
>>4100529If we're being totally serious I don't actually think Yellow was meant to be an insult to UTY at all, people outside of here actually like portraying the two together and shipping Clover with Blue/Integrity because of it, too. It's just some people here who do either view as an insult or completely separate themselves from it, but this happens with everything nowadays post Chapter 5.
>they think he paid
>>4100501Jasper is too perfect for Undyne for me to give her to any other character
>>4100463>>4100465Both of you are right
>>4100532Yeah I think it's a reference but not out of hate, all the flowners are ridiculous in their own flavor
>>4100463this but with this voice https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VlztbSPRqyY
>>4100000>Just because somebody's QUIET and RESERVED...DOESN'T MEAN THEY WERE RAPED AS A CHILD!!!!!
>>4100532>I don't actually think Yellow was meant to be an insult to UTY at alI agree. I also think some of the jokes yellow pulled like going to the different punishment chambers, was some of the most "toby" humor in the chapter. I feel like he wanted to have fun with the idea, though I do think some of the flowers drown eachother out.>people outside of here actually like portraying the two together and shipping Clover with Blue/Integrity because of it, tothere were some that did it before, but now you have the "this is the canon ship" people, as if canon really mattered that much in a fangame about someone who's dead.>It's just some people here who do either view as an insult or completely separate themselves from itI know I know, I just see it play out so often that I think "hey you know, the shitposting can be fun, but you know it shouldn't be the main course right?"and I feel like people are just getting bored and falling into shitposting as said main course instead of like how it was when UT first came out and people were getting tired of what was already there, so we had a lot of fic writers and artists crop up.>>4100537I definitely think they are supposed to be ridiculous, though I still stand by my wet towel blue statement earlier. He just kind of makes the scenes he's in lame in my opinion.
>>4100533Is CoL... a criminell?
>>4100541Blue actively reduces the comedy of a scene when playing the straight man heh but is able to be mostly fine in other roles. I think him ignoring his debt to Green is a decent bit.
>>4100537Toby also doesn't seem to view being gay as an insult, if anything it's the opposite.>>4100541> it was when UT first came out and people were getting tired of what was already there, so we had a lot of fic writers and artists crop up.People are afraid of being wrong in their theories and fancontent that they just don't do any of that anymore. A lot of people shitposting here are people that ended up with their theories burned when a new chapter came out. We live in an era where everyone worships canon and you can't do anything that breaks it otherwise it's sacrilege.
>>4100541>some of the flowers drown eachother out5 is probably the longest chapter but it tries to do so many things that it feels too stuffed for its own good. There's almost no breathing room except like that one marsh area.
>>4100540Y'know deers don't rape EVERY child, right?
>>4100548It's some of the worst gay representation in gaming since one is a suicidal retard and the other is a black guy who constantly steals things.
>I NEED TO INCLUDE RANDOM GAY SHIPS IN MY GAMES TO SHOW HOW BEING GAY IS NORMAL>All the gay reprenstation is actually jarringHmmmm
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g4Mn1pqiigolol
>>4100546>I think him ignoring his debt to Green is a decent bit.I think that was a good bit, but there wasn't a lot of that. most of it was him changing the tone of a scene, but not really into anything "good" for the experience. When he healed Kris as asgore was having his little speech it felt jarring. It felt like "eh, don't worry about this cool moment" but not in a good way. I just felt like any time he shifted the tone it was poorly handled>>4100548>People are afraid of being wrong in their theories and fancontent that they just don't do any of that anymore.honestly this is tragic. people want to be right with something that is inherently a guessing game at best or up to interpretation at "worst". It's a lot more fun when people just go all out with their what ifs, accept that it's probably wrong, but just have fun with it.>A lot of people shitposting here are people that ended up with their theories burned when a new chapter came out.hell, the one thing I wanted out of the chapter (a really good fight) didn't happen, and while I do get it, I mean ultimately fuck it just roll with the idea you had and see where it takes you. at least in my opinion>We live in an era where everyone worships canon and you can't do anything that breaks it otherwise it's sacrilege.yeah, you're not wrong I see a lot of that. lots of that with uty, but also just in general in the fan space. no permissibility for being wrong. I get trying to encourage people to get a character right in the first place, but beyond that take the characters and see what ideas you come up with. hell that's what the earthbound rom hackers were basically doing.>>4100549>but it tries to do so many things that it feels too stuffed for its own goodI honestly did feel that way myself. I felt almost guilty when I got towards the end for thinking "is this over yet?"
>>4100556Holy based
>>4100554Secretly redpilled game
Miss me yet, /v/?
>>4100569Erm this is /vrpg/ go away
>>4100556Where's deltarune with straights
>>4099643>Next time Susie sees Ralsei is hiding shit it just causes her to go damn you had fire magic this entire time? coolEXCEPT HE ALREADY USES IT IN CHAPTER 4 WITH THAT ACTYeah it doesn't do the fancy fire effect but he's still shooting off fire in every direction
>>4100576Settle down
>>4099775When I first played chapter 1, I brute-forced that puzzle where you have to do it in order of the floors of the Spade CastleI'd just sit there and try every combination for the door
>>4100576that shit don't even hurt the nigga used a party trick
>>4099770Would be better than what we got
>>4100580Just look it up at that point, damn
>>4100230>>4099488>>4099462>>4098928I fucking delivered, here is the chapter 6 doom bingo made with /vrpg/'s suggestions
>>4100596Seems realistic to me. I predict at least 2 bingos
>>4100596>a newly introduced gimmick is again most of the chapter's gameplay>climbing is the orange soul mode.>platforming is the blue soul mode.we might be able to predict this early, what kind of gimmick would fit the cyan soul?
>>4100596This is hilarious and sadly entirely likely
>>4100600We already saw a teaser for it in MANTLE, it's top-down Zelda gameplay.
>>4100600Fruit ninja done in a similar slashing style to Revengeance
>>4100596>trends we already know will continue and things that are definitely ch7 material won't be in 6: the bingoToo easy, man.
>>4100604it would be cool if cyan soul was the parry from the fangames
>>4100604The game is already like Zelda, top down with puzzles
Apparently the game keeps track of whether or not you attacked Flowery during the final prompt.If you attacked him, your save is bricked. You just have to be a good little pacifist cuck
>>4100606the 5 bingo just happened to be shockingly accurate to bad expectationsI just wish I knew how to be witty like that one
>Hold on...... What if....the game........SUCKED?I'll take this over shipping autism I guess.
>>4100610It also decides you get the bad ending because you couldn't warn K. Round that Susie was going to attack it. Sorry, your choices don't matter, Susie made hers long ago, this is a misery porn game and the most innocuous little thing was actually your total undoing.Too bad, so sad!
>>4100604i feel like that would fit the yellow soul more,>attack from the battle box = attacking in world = mantle
>>4100610Your choices don't matter.Not attacking Flowery means you aren't committed and also bricked your save
>>4100612Doomposters are unironically your best source for actual accurate readings of what to expect from Deltarune.
>>4100611I just think it's an extremely safe bet to assume we won't see Asriel, Papyrus and especially Gaster anywhere until the end of the game. And that Susie, the main character of the game, will continue getting spotlight. So it's pretty safe bingo in most regards, I wouldn't call it obnoxious, this is just what the game has always been.
>>4100618That's so fucking grim
>>4100596I don't think this has the juke potential of the original bingo, to be honest.
>>4100620Kris is the main character.
https://youtu.be/NZpQf37Way8?si=j95DyRgphDF3KGhZNYONSLETTER IS OUT, HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOO
>>4100627In like the first two chapters I guess
>>4100626wdym?
>>4100620Papyrus won't even show up period because he doesn't exist in Deltarune, alternatively if he DOES exist it basically HAS to confirm that Hometown is some kind of facade and that what we see in the game is literally all there is, because otherwise he'd know what the sun looks like and wouldn't ask about it during the surface end sequence of Undertale.Asriel won't appear at all. Not in the sense that he doesn't exist, but that the only indicator of his existence will be Toriel's front door opening by itself and a text box in the literal final second of the entire game. No sprite, no portrait, no unique text blip, just a "Howdy, I'm home! Sorry to keep y'all waiting!" before the credits roll.Gaster probably won't even show up outside of "the glowing voice" in 7A, even if he is the Angel, and you have to do 7B if you want to finally see him for real.
>>4100628this is now a mardley thread
>>4100620asriel only showing up at the last minute used to be a joke and some anons got BROKEN by papyrus not being in ch2I don't think you have the 2018 fag POV to understand how shitty this is
>UT's Delta Rune hints at some kind of ancient lore thing>look inside>modern gay teen romanceThis is like if Legend of Dragoon got a Dragon Campaign prequel and it was the Andy Griffith show but they fought monsters at the end or something
>>4100632I remember seeing her posted a lot then when I played UTY she's barely around and spends half her time as your enemy. At least she was cool at the very end.
>>4100631or the DOOM alternative:sans is the same between worlds but every papyrus is different.DR's papyrus isnt even a carbon copy like everyone else is. he's the original fedora faggot
>>4100634Toby loves shafting Asriel when he deserves better, like the fact he has to go back to being a soulless and complacent flower in UT.And since all of DR Asriel's suffering already happened in the past, he has to get fucked over in a meta sense.by not being given any screentime.
>>4100626This one is mostly opinions. So all you gotta do is write "thing turns out to be "lukewarm"" and you got yourself 5 bingos in a row because someone will definitely dislike everything.
>>4100628>recent comments>"WAIT THEY EDITED THE RACIST PART NOOOOOOO"what was it?
>>4100642It's Keemstar audio, the fuck do you think?
>>4100634I know, I was there. It's still funny that people even expected any of this shit in the first place. Some people still expect to see fucking Gaster of all characters, imagine that.
>>4100646>Some people still expect to see fucking Gaster of all characters, imagine that.Well yes, when Gaster literally says>HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING FOR ME?>HOW WONDERFUL.>I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU AS WELL.On Twitter in 2018 before instructing us to return in 24 hours so we can download SURVEY_PROGRAM, people kind of expect to finally see Gaster.
>>4100642Called some guy a darkner
>>4100652>What? You expected to see Gaster, a guy who was erased by the universe???>And you took anything said by or related to Sans at face value? The guy known to be an obnoxious pranker?>You were never promised anything! You're just a retard who can't read!Mike discourse will be nothing next to how obnoxious fags will get after 7 and 7b.
>>4100629In all the chapters.
>>4100630>>4100641Here's a few examples of why the original bingo was good>Not asgore's chapter>Festival lowkey boring>Still no clue over what's going onThose might be basic but they're necessary. It just covers the basics of what the chapter was advertised as in previous newsletters/posts/chapters basically. If those are checked off it makes the chapter look bad because it means Toby isn't covering something basic that SHOULD be in the chapter. (Can potentially backfire if it expectations were subverted for a good reason but this wasn't the case)>No one taking seriously dyne's disapperance>Mood reset>Ralsei "subtle development"I think those are the best ones because its kind of a prediction while still being grounded in general writing mistakes or the type of shit Toby Fox would trip himself over.>Book upstiars doesn't live up to the hypeGood shot because there's no way it lives up to the hype.>Sans screentime >10 minutesObnoxious popular gaster blaster guy>Susie makes it about herHOOOOOLY SHIT KRISELLE IS OBNOXIOUS>Conceitoslop>and the conceitoslop that is this made up word for in case something conceptual or unusual happened for not much reason,This one turned out to be wrong because yeah its not exactly Toby's style, but its kind of poking fun at pretentious writing. It'd have been good against a different writer potentially.Of course there are dumb, like "rudy somehow still alive", as if anyone expected him to be dead. But I'm not saying its perfect, just pointing at the good parts.Meanwhile>A newly introduced gimmick is again most part of the chapter's gameplay>More susiewank>More>AgainSee, you're reheating leftovers from the last bingo. Side note I don't think this chapter will have a gimmick, considering Toby Fox's commented on how this one is being developed fast.>No evidence of what the Dess incident wasAre we expecting any evidence here?
>>4100635Don't really make sense, eh?
>>4100635Kinda makes you think that maybe Toby should have only made Undertale and left it at that.
>>4100658To answer the majority of your points, the issue with 6 is that it has ZERO setup for anything besides Noelle being involved. Most ongoing shit was finished in 5 (secret bosses, starwalkers...), or implied to be held off to 7 or 7b through various ways.5 has almost as much (potential) foreshadowing for shit than 3, except for the newsletter spoilers 3 had. 6 has nothing, not unlike 4.
>>4100658>you're reheating leftoversNta but 5 Weird hinted at 6 being filler so it's reasonable to assume some will be more of the same. Not that those slots can't be used for different predictions in spite of that, but still.
>>4100666It's funny how pivotal 5 should have been due to 6 being finale buildup and instead it was just a giant waste of time
I wonder if 6 being a short and basic chapter will ever feel justified for the story of we will come out of this feeling "this should have been just another traditional chapter with a main villain and a shadow crystal and all"
>>4100673The chapter structure has kind of hurt the game imo
>>4100626BINGOS
>>41006714 was the pivot 5 should have been, which is also a problem. It was way too fucking early for that whole stuff happening.Besides plot progression, in many ways it just killed the mood for the type of lighthearted fun 5 had (after 3 had already dealt a very strong blow to that)
>>4100673i dunno about "basic" cause Toby also called Chapter 4 "standard" before it dropped and people looove Chapter 4 here
>>4100677>Knight sidelineOn what planet
>>4100681They didn't do anything except cut some flowers and pick asgore up
>>4100680Mostly in comparison to 5 because it felt like the plot was going somewhere
>>>/v/747926754>>>/v/747926754>>>/v/747926754GET IN QUICK
>>4100677>Rudy somehow being aliveThis one is dumb cause he literally said himself he was resting to support Noelle tomorrowNow whether the incident in this chapter killed him or put him on the brink is a different story
Whew just beat Pink on the meaner bombs difficulty on my Aborted Weird save (meaning no Mannequin/True Tie)Had to rely on the desperation flirts a lot that make them more powerful when someone's downDuring the main bomb attack there really wasn't much I could do besides tank the hits and heal up later.Eventually I plain ran out of healing items and just had to have the characters revive themselves
Well here's my two cents for ch 6>Vagueposting goes into overdrive>FRIEND/ICE-E/Mystery Man randomly appear and do nothing, againToby Fox for some reason bound himself to only reveal ONE THING. The exact thing hamstringing him is that he wants to keep everything secret for chapter 7. Therefore, I'm sure this chapter will have the worst case of vagueposting so far.>Pacing issuesIn Toby's last newsletter he literally says don't worry about the pacing, so this one would be ironic>Things we are waiting to do (Thorn sword, last book upstairs, thorn sword) get delayed again till chapter 7>Kris attempt to stop us from getting the last code is pitiful, again>Mood is still "fun" despite two people being kidnapped>Noelle's introduction to Dark Worlds is extremely short to make way for something else/nothinglole
Susie is flabby, not muscularShe never even got picked for gymNoelle is the actual tomboy princess of Deltarune
>>4100685Despite how different the superficial tone is, 3 to 4 is the only single time in the game the transition between chapters feels like it made sense.Knight showed up at the end of 3, and then the first thing that happens in 4 is it showing up to screw you again.
Knight reveal cliffhanger is my guess
>the end of CH6 is just kris going to bedand thats how you know CH7 is going to be some real shit.
>>4100691she looks buff in the dark world
>>4100686>PinkPass, I'll join the next one.MODS = GODS
>>4100697>being pickymaybe reddit is more your speed
>>4100697Based
>>4100688Props, I couldn't beat her without nice bombs.
>>4100691she gets picked last because nobody wants to be around her lol.That's why she starts that line with>EvenBecause despite being tough nobody wants her
>>4100692Yeah it's not even strictly about 5 being filler, it's that it didn't feel like a natural time for it.
>>4100610hey guys, screenshot and save this prediction once it turns out to be true:>if you didn't attack flowery, the game stays normal like it should be>if you attacked flowery, the characters will stop you from FIGHTing any enemy in chapter 6 (susie will get the idea to do that) by susie healing the attacked enemy up and then ralsei using pacify to spare the enemy immediately after so that you dont try attacking the same guy again (this will drain ALL of your tp like attacking in the flowery fight did so you dont even get any extra TP-boost gold)>however, i do believe there WILL be a potential hard workaround for that (aside from using Noelle's iceshock to kill the enemies and also unrecruit them), it will require you to deal enough damage once the enemies are at low enough HP and it'll take like a perfect hit in order to pull it off.>however they'll attack normally on minibosses and seam's secret boss fight, they'll still heal the chapter boss up if you attack them regardless of if you attacked flowery or not
>>4100708Instead>they suggest you should solve everything with your words instead of fighting>there are no more fights in the game unless you're in Weird route
>>4100625it's actually not that grim, being a doomer means you wont actually feel disappointed once the game turns out as shit as your low expectations proved it to be.>the game turns out to be shit, oh well, everyone moves on from the game once its done and it gets forgotten like most indie games>the game turns out to be good, it's a pleasant surprise and you can enjoy full deltarune and the cool fancontent that will come up from it
>>4100709nah, i doubt it'll get that grim, the updates on ch6 and 7 show that there will be battles at the very least, but i can see the characters being way more stuck up and will be telling you to spare enemies at every turn
>>4100711doomers are gunna suck cause if they happen to be proven wrong they're gonna pretend they weren't just whining for a whole year
>>4100714This is an anonymous board anyone can do that
>>4100714Chapter 5 has proven their doubts were correct.
>>4100714it's an anonymous board theres no need for that
>>4100715i don't mean individually I mean if Chapter 6 SOMEHOW came out good and suddenly everyone starts sucking off Toby again with a classic touch of revisionism
>It's like when your big sister gets cursed in Dragon Blazers 2.>Even if her stats suck, she's still your party member.Isn't this kinda confirmation that>Dess will join our team at some pointand>She's not the Knight?
>>4100593I did it on the day it came out
>>4100686i have to agree with the other anon. pink ops just turn into coomer threads unless theyre explicitly inviting dr discussion.also>still trying to make stealth threads
>>4100721Abnormal!Dessbros...
ggfell!dess be like that was the most cathartic blood I've crushed
>>4100596thank you for your service
>>4100610pacifist cucks always lose when it matters most if you cannot stand on your own two feet, you will inevitably get run over by someone else i will not allow kris to be run over if i can help it
>>4100596I wouldn't mind a glorified cutscene chapter tbdesu
>>4100726>cathartic Toby take some notes from Deltatraveler pls they know how to write GOOD dialogue
>>4100691imo noelle is too messy to be a strict tomboyshe's unironically too three dimensional to fit into a clear character archetype which is both a good thing, because complex characters are interesting, and a bad thing, because she character mogs everyone else in the game except for maybe kris
>>4100733*and spamton
>>4100729pacifist cucks will get fucked over anyways once their precious scrimblo games are done and their only options left are to go back to FIGHTing in normal games or fuck off from gaming forever, there are only so many games where one could be an actual pacifist anyways
>>4100739Nah I'll just play the Hello Kitty kart game, it's like ACTing but as a whole game lmao
I'm playin' ICE "E" Island Adventure
>>4100731>Genocide route>Susie constantly working against you and exploiting that party member status hard, she even sometimes will heal the enemy >Eram (who replaces Ralsei on a genicide) meanwhile just is making stuff harder for you to make it more fun, how nice of her
>>4100743Devious Susie is devious
Ignoring the fact that it won't impact anything until 7 and might be lame anyway, what reveal do you wish 6 would have?
>>4100733>three dimensionalFunny way to say "Mary Sue with too many traits"
>>4100749that's not what mary sue meansif anyone is a mary sue in deltarune it's susie, as the plot is bending itself so she's always in a favourable position
>>4100749a mary sue/gary stu is a "little ms/mr perfect" character that can never do any wrong and none of her/his character flaws actually impact the storynoelle is the opposite of this.
>>4100746THAT DAY reveal.
>>4100750the fuck was the favorable position for ch1 or the sound of justice
>>4100753she became friends with everyone in ch1the fake gerson turned out to be a fake, all her doubts about him were completely unfounded and her newfound faith in herself renewed when gerson reappeared to help with the titan, that she figured out how to defeat
>>4100750I'm waiting for one of "Susie's Ideas" to go horribly wrong
>>4100750>>4100754Reminder that the prophecy's strongest soldier is such a special girl that it arranged the Sweet Cap'n Cakes fight for her just so she could break the rules and go "but what if EVERYONE could act".Ralsei can't break the rules without the world exploding, but Susie can say "fuck you" to whatever she wants and she's showered in rewards for it.
>>4100757>ralsei can't break the rules without the world exploding he can, he's just extremely scared that the world will explode if he does ch5 proved he can cheat a bit without any consequence, as we see with a couple puzzles
Reminder that Susie's name even comes from Mary Sue, she's literally supposed to be one. It's entirely intentional.
>>4100763Isn't Susie like "short" for Susan though
>>4100746for the love of god i just want toby to tell us the specifics about how humans and monsters work compared to undertale.its been five chapters out of eight (cause 7b) and all he's done is give us "maybe" in both directions>chapter 1, susie says crush to dust, but also everybody bleeds. and then the bunny is confused about humans blood>chapter 2, we find out that for a while kris (who wanted to be a monster for a really long time) had been trying to learn how to do magic. he laments about how the magic trick book relies on "floating hands and orbs", find out that he googled how to do magic constantly, and then there's several monsters with magic only biology. but magic is completely absent from the light world aside from kris and catti summoning a demon (which is just occult stuff, not really the same.)>chapter 4, gerson's dust jar and confirmation about monster burial rights. but no hard confirmation on if they dust or not. berdly is either in a coma or a fallen down state. also susie bleeds.>chapter 5, did rudy just fall off a ladder, or did he enter a fallen down state? lmao fuck you keep guessing for a yearout of everything, not vagueposting about that wouldnt let us guess anything early unless its some crap like "the knight is what happens when a DT-boosted monster like geno undyne doesnt die"honestly i'd be fine with just knowing if rudy's turned to dust or not.actually, hell, not even that. a monster soul. just show us a fucking monster soul. if its upside-down-white then we can safely assume that monsters work the same as their UT counterparts, just with magic being absent for a societal reason and the additional confirmation that monsters CAN bleed if they take a minor injury and dont die.>inb4 bathrooms confirm they're differentits confirmed from that one monster in grillbys that monsters didnt need bathrooms because monster food doesnt leave anything behind when it digests
>>4100764so, berdly and susie have a gag in ch2 where susie says that her name isn't susan
>>4100764Really anon
>>4100767i mean, the fact the game even makes the comparison at all
>>4100765Endless anal with monsters because I NEVER want children
>>4100626Okay but like... the bingo chart is a 50/50, and it's subjective whether or not it even gets a bingo.It's more accurate than other predictions but thats mostly because everyone had ridiculously high expectations for chapter 5 to the point people completely ignored Toby Fox saying that it was going to be a more lighthearted chapter. People are still ignoring Toby Fox's statements, so i guess nothing changed.
>>4100765Deltarune Monsters bleed but turn to dust immediately the moment they die.
>>4100765I get you anon I've been pleading toby to tell use how monster souls work since chapter 2 and I was a fool for thinking we would get a new book about souls every chapter (if you take the comment on the library of "no one has time to read" as yet another jab at the fandom's expectations it really sours it even more)I actually even dreamed I met toby once and asked him to tell me the difference but he refused to because it was "spoilers"
>>4100141ALWAYS BET ON REVERSE UNDERTALE THEORY.
>>4100765Also, "mosnters bleed" is an enigma again because now there's possibility that Sans isn't even FROM Deltarune but instead a third UNRELATED world because he's almost definitely a Gaster agent due to how WR 5 plays out with that fuckin bread.Susie really could be the exception, and it'd play even more into her Mary Sue nature as the only half-monster half-human of the whole ensemble.
The Masked Man fight has so much less hype and aura compared to Giygas, why did they even bother
>>4100775actually speaking of half humans. here's an interesting thought.when we see berdly preparing to open a fountain in CH2, its completely different from everyone else's fountain opening animation.its not just him not doing it properly, since susie didnt know how either and did it perfectly.so what gives.do 'pure' monsters have to do it differently, and susie and the knight arent entirely monsters?
>>4100773Dream Tobies are always the most canon, he learned how to do it from the creepy talking head in Moon
>>4100784it's probably just different visuals due to it almost being created in a dark world if you remember, the knight does something similar when it opens 5 at once in ch4
>>4100784Berdly likely knows how to do it properly as the method is blatantly shown to you and the fun gang. He just didn't actually get to the "opening" the fountain part cause he was in the middle of concentrating his will
>>4100786>>4100788but even the CH4 fountain opening is similar to the light world fountainsberdly's the only one that has to "focus" for a notable period of time, and the colors for him are green/white instead of black/white
>>4100789>>4100784Maybe it's because Berdly is retarded and incompetent
>>4100784>>4100789It's probably to show that Berdly's will is different or some shit, I don't fuckin' know.Susie's will just happens to resemble Kris/Knight on the surface in Chapter 4 because she's quite literally trying to recreate Dark Sanctuary specifically, but maybe it'd look different if she weren't aping on a Kris/Knight Dark World,
>>4100789well, let's fall back on the one and true rule of deltarunetoby is horrifically inconsistent with things and probably just had berdly do it like that for dramatic effect
>>4100789i mean I assume the focus bit is just so it can segue into Ralsei's roaring expo cause again those black and white sparks are notably used right as they're about to pierce the earth. Not beforehand like it was for Berdly
>>4099809Deltarune fans exposed to 1 character that trolls you and says "bro trust me"He is trolling the people that look at his dialogue and somehow think "this guy wants kris to go chara mode" and he is trolling people that think there's some secret good ending hidden in WR
>>4100765I don't think there really is much of a difference>Susie's not "half-human" or any shit like that>Monsters bleed and don't turn to dust, it's just customary to cremate them>Kris can use magic but doesn't want us to know that>Monster souls are rightside up
>>4100795Some guy made a video about that recently actually, about people jumping to "ERAM" for every unanswered thing (when Gaster can't fill the blanks)And I do believe the WR won't have a happy ending but it is a "the end justifies the means" kinda way since I want it to be mandatory to finish the game
Noelle bleeds from the ThornRing in the weird route, so monsters bleeding in Deltarune is canon.
>>4100797What video, and are they doing that "Video Essayist" shit where they drag out a simple idea for several hours because they can't write for shit?
>>4100797I don't think it will be mandatory, but I think that something will happen or something will be left unresolved in the normal route that will have you wanting to run into the open arms of weird route
>>4100798this has been the case since ch2 at the latest with the unused bleeding susie spritesthe only, and i do mean only, reason why anyone denies that monsters have blood is that fuckass kid in ch1 who asks kris about blood
>>4100799>are they doing that "Video Essayist" shit where they drag out a simple idea for several hours because they can't write for shit?Debatablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pug0gY-ng7g
>>4100802Can't wait to kill that kid in Hometown Massacre.
>>4100804>38 minutes longOh for fucks sake.
>First 5 minutes aren't even related to the videoOff to a great start here. I'll post my thoughts on this when i've finished watching it.
Nothing bad happens in Chapter 4 despite the tensions rising.
>>4100808ironically worse stuff happens in 5
>>4100808it was considered the set up for ch5, which was believed to be the chapter where everything goes to hellnope! that might happen at the end of ch6 if toby is feeling generous
>>4100765What would you do with this information? It seems like it'd be bonus lore tier because nothing is really tied to it because the concept of DT is completely different here.
>>4100810Yeah with the fact that ch4's buildup went nowhere, ch4 is now completely meaningless. It's not offensively bad like 5, but it serves no real purposeThis game could've just shipped as 1,2,3,6,7
>>4100804Okay, so what hes saying is that ERAM isn't possessing the ShadowMantle.... But he is possessing the ShadowMantle... But ERAM isn't actually in the game..... but he is..... But actually ERAM isn't real.... But he is real... But he isn't and it's actually a guy whos identical to "ERAM" in every way shape or form but ISN'T "ERAM" because like, you know... Which means???Every time i see a "video essay" it's just complete fucking gibberish the entire time. Oh my god i hate youtubers so much.
>>4100808It's crazy that people called 3 the filler chapter despite 4 being 90% honest to god actual filler and 10% insanely good moments which people equate to 100% of the chapter now.
>>4100815nta but he is probably right that the eram fight was meant to be seen as pvp rather than eram literally being what that guy looks like. I get it, but it's not "someone new". We've interacted with this character more than most of the supporting cast between the sword route and the ARG
>>4100811devanon
>>4100817The only thing i agree with here is that the ShadowMantle isn't actually what ERAM looks like. He doesn't point out that ERAM's visual motif is a smiling mouth with two pointed fangs though, because he's fucking retarded and can't write a single coherent thought.
>>4100818>>4100811also a devanon here that wish I knew that to put in my fangame, though I have some ideas to bypass any potential bullshit toby tosses with any soul reveals that go too far from what UT were
>>4100819He ALSO forgot to point out that ERAM is sprite_nondescript_room_hands, which adds to my reading of the sprite:>>4099435
>>4100818>>4100823Fair but I mean in the game itself, it seems like nothing really hinges on how exactly monsters are different from humans. Undertale made quite a few points with DT and how it messes up monsters, monsters having different souls, here it seems that the main rift is between Lightners and Darkners and everything on either side is lumped together in terms of general capabilities (like opening fountains for example, seems to be exclusively a Lightner thing but both humans and monsters are shown to be capable of doing that). So in my opinion this is the boundary that will be pushed, already is with plants, dustners and whatever the Knight is. Ralsei's identity is probably tied to breaking some of these established rules too.
>>4100819He also didn't mention that toby liked fanart referring to him as eram with him being a shapeshifting black blob with that fanged mouth
>>4100596Row 1:1: Only ch2-ch4 aborted weird. ch5 aborted would result in Dead End.3,4: No.5: There will be no high-schooler Noelle period. There might be young Noelle, tho.Row 2:1, 2: Yes3: N/A4: Suselle is absent because there are no Susie and no Noelle5: Gimmick: yes, consume: noRow 3:1: Yes.2: No exploration, it's linear4: We will have a clue5: No, this is a serious chapter.Row 4:1: Susie is absent2: Maybe3: Duh4: Young Asriel from a few years ago will be possibly present5: Yes.Row 5:1: At least hints3: Objectively "No", but that one Anon will still whine about it.4: Yes5: Inverse, Ralsei will decide to be a Prince (his own decision this time, not Prophecy-induced)
>>4100827You know what's actually alarming, that we have zero info on HUMANS in this world, aside from the fact that Kris isn't the only one. Is Kris even a real human? No human we've seen so far can just remove his own soul with bare hands. Now I'm not saying that it's possible that Kris is actually a monster of the zombie variety that found a way to house a human soul, but... I mean if skeletons exist as a species, you know.
>>4100600Parry
>>4100831huh? when did he do that?
>>4100804>a 38min vid about "eram is probably kris headband"niggas on /v/ were talking about this a week after 3+4's release. i swear to god 4chan has already figured out a fair amount of the game and the rest of the internet is playing catch up
>>4100843The clickbait title and an unrelated thumbnail should've been a certain clue that the video is about nothing new. It's always like this. Just view farming for the sake of it.
>>4100797Honestly you guys do that for everything, any time a new lore element is added you jump on it like>OMG EVERYTHING IN THE GAME MUST TIE TO THIS NEW THING AND THAT WILL BE THE FINAL BOSS!Cards, Mike, FRIEND, Roaring Knight, the prophecy, ERAM, Noelle, the Soul, so on. Toby said it himself, he hid enough information that we'll never be able to guess so I don't see why you still work yourselves up like this in... *checks notes* ...literally every single thread every single day.
Chapter 6 is when Ralsei Rancher will finally be unlocked in Castle Town. I believe.
>>4100815Pretty much this.
>>4100806That's unironically short these days.
>>4100808>>4100813>>41008164 was lore filler where it felt like something happened because there was a Titan but I dare you to tell me what gets lost if you skip from 3 to 5.
>>4100846Susie will never let it happen, and what Susie wants trumps all.
>>4100838He has human parts
>>4100827>it seems like nothing really hinges on how exactly monsters are different from humanssee thats exactly what annoys me about it.its arguably unimportant to deltarune itself.so WHY do shit like picrel?the only way something like this makes sense is if toby's endgame is so tightly crafted that>librarby book #whogivesaflyingfuck: hey guy toby writington here to say that monsters EXPLODE on death, yeah thats right they EXPLODE now. now that you've seen this book you have access to the hometown death crater field.lets us figure out the fever dream.infact, i'd even argue that keeping us guessing is only going to hurt the game if it ever does become relevantsuppose toby's planning for rudy's death to be on screen, right? lets say the rules are the same, the people that havent played undertale and dont know about the dusting on death thing will just look at the scene with confusion. and for the people that do the emotional intent of the scene will have to fight with the the fact that its finally been hard confirmed rather than given implications.and that aside it is REALLY hard to plan "a monster dies in a dark world" around the blackbox that is "will the evidence of the crime be removed or not?"
>>4100850...The prophecy, which chapter 4 is entirely centred around??? Holy shit do you people even play the game
>>4100853>the only way something like this makes senseIt won't.
>>4100850Well the Suselle date would come completely out of left field because they didn't spend ten minutes watching AVGN together>>4100855Any important bits of the prophecy were withheld from us. Otherwise it was just shit we already knew and "your choices don't matter, the prophecy is set in stone" which we also already knew
>>4100855We already knew the prophecy was inevitable and that it would be full of tragedy (Chapter 1 literally describes a cataclysm that causes the world to draw her final breath), otherwise it wouldn't exist as a narrative device.
>>4100855You mean the thing we basically knew all about since chapter 1? That prophecy?
>>4100838just gotta hope that normalnpc fucks off so that you can actually read the rest of the library books
>>4100857>Well the Suselle date would come completely out of left fieldIt kind of already does
It's funny how every time we look back on a chapter to ascertain what was actually accomplished or revealed, it always comes back that we learned nothing and we have to wait until chapter 7 for anything to happen.
>>4100861speaking of which, i have a theory where the library books are going to reveal something important about how the roaring knight works in a more biological level (it can be anything, like "monsters that spend too long in extreme dark will begin to lose themselves, physically and mentally, althrough their light world forms seem still physically intact, they will begin to feel other symptoms in the light world too" or titan spawns and titans being olden corrupted monsters lost in the dark or whatever) and that's why the normalnpc wont let you read the books early
The final book will confirm PlayerAngel
>>4100857>Any important bits of the prophecy were withheld from us.ONE panel is withheld from you, which is literally the ending of the game.>>4100858>We already knew the prophecy was inevitableThe prophecy wasn't set up as something to be opposed until chapter 4.>and that it would be full of tragedyThe prophecy in chapter 1 is directly potrayed as something hopeful, given it's about saving the world from darkness. Most theories relating to the prophecy being bad from before chapter 4 came from people thinking Ralsei was lying. (Which he sort of was, but...)>(Chapter 1 literally describes a cataclysm that causes the world to draw her final breath)Holy shit guys THE GAME HAS AN ENDING where SOMETHING HAPPENS. I guess we arleady knew everything so there was no need for Toby to talk about the prophecy further, just skip to wanting to subvert it for no reason.>>4100859Take a look at Ralsei's explanation of the prophecy, contrast it with the prophecy we see and are extensively told about in chapter 4 and tell me if you see anything missing.
>>4100865Won't happen, there's too many desires Toby would have to program and that's too many scrolldowns or pages, which he hates coding into his menus.
>>4100866Toby "subversive" Fox wasn't going to have a cut and dry wholesome chungus hopecore prophecy, especially after how disgustingly saccharine Undertale was. Anyone who thought it'd be a purely net positive thing was a fool.
>>4100868...But the story doesn't address this until chapter 4?
>I need to....le read books! Get normal npc out of my way REEEEEEEEEE>Manual? Who needs that?You get what you fucking deserve.
>>4100867He can generalize it in a "desire to see the end of the game"
>>4100870hey I wanted to read the manual, it's toby himself that cut it out of the game! don't shoot!
>>4100871If the game just cut to credits in the middle of chapter 1 and deltarune was cancelled forever, would that fufill the player's desire? I mean that WOULD be the end of the game after all.
>>4100873No because it would be cancelled and not the true ending of the game.
>>4100871>>4100873>>4100874>THEN THE WORLD>WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS.>>>>DELTARUNE>By Toby Fox
>>4100866>Ralsei you forgetificated to telling us'd abouted Queenie's go kart or snakey wakey's face hairs and boss3
>>4100875Woah good job on leaking the Neutral ending of Deltarune.
>>4100875>THEN THE WORLD>WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS.
what does hope crossed in her heart mean? noelle doesnt actually carry any hope if the weird run is any indication of it
Post your reaction when you have to lose to the final boss intentionally to get the true good endinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdqDsbKDAXk&t=383s
>>4100879It could mean a lot of things which is the purpose of the prophecy. It's vague so everyone can fit in a certain role.You might "break" it but it will always reappear somewhere else.
>>4100880i'm no cuck, i like to win, so i will win the battle, no "ifs" or "what abouts", i feel strongly negative when i'm forced to lose in a game, it makes me feel inferior and worthless, so maybe toby should be more considerate of us
>>4100880Doubtful.
>>4100873Considering how some "people" constantly cry about muh 8 years of wait and why doesn't Toby give me all the answers right now, I'd say this qualifies as burning desire to see the end of the game no matter what.
People like to talk about the implications of the USED UP lines in the second game of MANTLE, but i haven't seen much discussion relating to the implication of the dialogue inbetween.>Well done.>You found my secret hiding place.>But there's nothing here...>...is there?>YOU GOT THE SHELTER KEY>Oh, you found that, too!>Perfect, just perfect...>Thanks for all your hard work, Kris!
>>4100881>It could mean a lot of things>It's vagueI hate this game so much sometimes
>>4100880I can totally see it happening with the Knight.
>>4100882>i feel strongly negativeDo the needful
>>4100886>I hate thinking for myself why can't I just be told what to think and what's right and wrong?
>>4100889we still don't know the basic motivations of our protagonist and antagonist and have absolutely no way of telling off of speculation alone because we don't know jack shit about either of them in general btw
>>4100885You'll notice people latch onto very specific things and ignore everything else. Look at the titan, it had angel wings and no one gives a shit about what that might imply.
>>4100890Good.
>>4100890Argument on why this is a bad thing?
>>4100889Correct, why can't I know any of what's going on when I'm 40 hours into the game?
>>4100893There's literally nothing to speculate off of except vibes. There is no encouraged thinking because any thinking will result in fanfic writing the game's plot, and then when you do that, someone will go>What if the entire game sucked? Wow I'm glad the fandom isn't writing Deltarune
>>4100894Because you're an NPC without inner monologue.
>>4100895That's only when you personally theorize about something because all you come up with is crap.
>>4100895There is quite alot to speculate off of. You don't notice any of it because you are low IQ.
>>4100896Have one last (You), kiddo. On the mouse.
>>4100898Such as? Please do elaborate instead of vagueposting, and it can't be vibes-based speculation either. It needs to be fully grounded in tangible evidence that can't possibly ever be contradicted or subverted with an upcoming reveal.
>>4100885To me this is the moment the Player finds the Vessel, which makes the last line soooo fun. You thank Kris before they are USED UP.
>>4100901>I want things to speculate off of>But nothing speculative! I only want things explicitly confirmed by the game.This is why i called you low IQ.
I want things to speculate off of but nothing speculative! I only want things explicitly confirmed by the game.
>>4100903Again, all speculation is purely vibes-based because there's literally nothing to speculate off of except extremely vague ideas that are so undefined and unclear that you have to write fanfiction in order to speculate.When you don't know the motivations of the protagonist or antagonist, you quite literally have to make shit up in order to speculate, and that's highly discouraged in terms of speculation because it can very quickly snowball into fanfic writing your ideal version of Deltarune, rather than what would actually be most likely to happen (not that anyone except Toby even knows, because again, we know literally nothing about our protagonist or antagonist).
>>4100906Anon why the fuck are you still replying to it
>>4100906>you have to write fanfiction in order to speculateThat's what speculation is, dumbass.
>>4100902Well first off, thats ERAM talking to kris. Second, the third game makes no sense chronologically if you believe that to be the case.>How do you get the vessel if the vessel isn't in Nowhere?>How do you exit Nowhere?>How do you, presumably end up in a dark world while in Nowhere?>If it's the depths, then why do you need to walk into the shelter? You'd already be in the shelter if that were the case.>Why would Susie and Ralsei be following you?And so on and so forth.
>>4100909But not to the extent that Deltarune expects. Other media that you speculate about at least has concrete ideas about what you're building off of, with Deltarune you have literally nothing except afterimages of concepts.We don't know about THAT HORRIBLE DAY, so we can't actually assess what drove Kris to cooperate with The Roaring Knight, or what his overall end goal is from all of this, because he's such a contradictory clusterfuck that you can't get a singular good read on him aside from the fact he hates himself and feels singlehandedly responsible for the incident, but since we don't know what happened, we don't know if he's valid for thinking this or if it's simply survivor's guilt.We don't have Knight's identity and it has no confirmed dialogue or any behaviors beyond looking cool and intimidating and decisively NOT bringing about its namesake, something even the game itself points out, so we can't assess what its own wants are without making shit up that requires someone to not only be correct about their Knight Identity belief, but also their Knight Goal belief.There's nothing here to work with. "Kris and Knight are actually trying to make a world where everyone gets a free puppy" is just as valid as "Kris and Knight are actually trying to make a world where everyone burns in super hell for not just this eternity, but the next eternity too".
>>4100911Deltarune is baby mode speculah. You wouldn't handle real vagueposting media.
>>4100911>You see normally in media things are speculative and aren't confirmed until they happen, so you can't say anything decisively.>But in DELTARUNE, things are SPECULATIVE and AREN'T CONFIRMED until they happen, so you can't say anything decisively.>WHAT.... le FUCK?!?!?!?!?!?
>>4100885i feel like this can be applied to susie, and the true game is on a level of abstraction that doesnt make it obvious.>she's the one finding [shelter keys]>if eram is kris' horns. then it makes sense that eram - abstraction = kris. so the voice would be kris>"but there's nothing here... is there?" can be read in a tone meant to try to get someone to leave>"perfect, just perfect... thanks for all your hard work, [name]!" can be read sarcastically in short that bit is calling out kris for what he's going to end up doing later
>>4100913Cool, name 50 other pieces of media where you don't know even the most basic of characterization information about the protagonist and antagonist, even over halfway into the story, and that the story is deliberately stalling its own progression and significance until the final chapter..
>>4100911Faced with complete freedom to create possible theories and explanations and have fun bouncing ideas and refining possible angles you instead cry "please just tell me the answer!" and then wonder why people call you dumb.
>>4100915>name 50>for something very specific that isn't even really accurate to what you're talking aboutCome on now.
>>4100916And every single concept you can come up with,>What if the entire game sucked?>Wow am I glad the Deltarune fandom isn't writing this game>oh look another [insert character name here] fanboy who doesn't give a shit about making sense and just wants hype moments and aura>Toby would never do that, are you retarded?>you're just a doomer, have faith in the dogetc. etc. etc.
>>4100918Skill issue. Ever tried to stop having bad ideas?
>>4100918This sounds very personal, if you're the one posting shit that prompts that kind of replies then I can only say good riddance and stop posting any time.
>>4100919>>4100920Go on then, post your brilliant speculative ideas. Let's hear 'em and see if YOU can come up with something that's high quality, good, and somehow actually makes sense within the vagueposting confines of DELTARUNE.
>>4100922That's what we're doing all day long. Scroll up and read nigga. Or do you want this spoonfed to you too? First the entire game now the thread? Just how lazy and braindead can you get?
>>4100925>erm... no, i won't, because i know my ideas suck, no i won't link back to them so you know which ones are mine because i don't want to be on thee receiving end of the "What if the entire game sucked?" response
>>4100914infact combining this with USED UP...>susie is inviting noelle to the party>noelle is the only one that knows how to find her way through the ice maze...>... to the door that fucking kills you.>the door needs an "ice key" and a living sacrifice. the "ice key" is noelle, and ralsei throws himself into harms way to save susie>kris desperately tries getting susie to leave>"oh sick look kris! its the last shelter code">kris can barely keep himself composed as he thanks susie before murdering her.>he's already decided to kill himself, did that as soon as he saw the fuckass door.this isnt going to happen on the main route, but i could see it happening in one aborted WR branch.the "everybody fucking dies" ending.
>>4100915Man I'd love to see your reaction to Twin Peaks or literally anything else in the magical realism camp. You gotta let your inner Spamton free, anon. If you are interested in some advice, replay the game but this time do it with a little notebook, and write down anything that seems interesting. Dead serious by the way, I've gotten recommended videos of girls playing the game doing this and it's fun seeing them make connections in real time.
>>4100922I posted a big ass text wall about my Eram and original game theory last thread and I'm pretty satisfied with it. Some people said it was retarded but I don't care because criticism is normal.
>>4100927>the "everybody fucking dies" ending.That's the Side B ending though.
>>4100927I actually think that something similar may happen on NR, maybe not as gruesome but in terms of wasted efforts. As in the party suffers greatly to get to their objective and then Kris still has to prevent them from reaching it anyway. Something similar to Kris Slash situation.
>>4100931Kris can't stall entry into the shelter for much longer, Chapter 7 is where shit starts happening and the prophecy can't be fulfilled if the heroes never actually get to duel the Knight strife by strife, and stalling the prophecy just means it'll take matters into its own metaphorical hands.
>>4100928>where you don't know even the most basic of characterization information about the protagonist and antagonistNot only did you lose, you also got sexually assaulted in the process.
"What if the game sucked" implies it currently doesn't
>>4100932>the REAL prophesy brainwashing will be it forcing the Knight into situations where it HAS to fight the heroes>when Kris is dead set on helping the Knight or at least not hurting it for realShit looks grim for Kris.
>>4100934Yeah because the game doesn't suck no matter how many assblasted schizophrenics try to pretend otherwise.
>>4100934Everyone who says this is either shitposting or took the dog's "don't worry about the pacing until it's over!" at face value.
>>4100928twin peaks is not magical realism you braindead faggot
>>4100569Please dunk on more fans next time, Toby. I need more melties.
What if Dess disappeared because she pirated Deltarune?
>>4100843Third route too>Magical Catgirl Horse EramWhat a concept, Eram throwing bombs like Pink makes me thing somehow that thing is also a cat
>>4100946shid, *makes me think
>>4100596From left to right:>Will happen >Will happen>Is subjective >Not going to happen>Not going to happen>Will happen >Could happen>Could happen >Will happen>Not going to happen>Could happen (but unlikely)>Could happen (likely)>Aqua best girl>Could happen (likely)>Will happen (based)>Will happen>Will happen >Could happen>Will happen>Will happen>Could happen (unlikely)>Not going to happen>Will happen>Not going to happen>Not going to happenOverall for a doomer bingo this is very likely overall.
>>4100765Sans death in Undertale already shows how monsters work in Deltarune, keep it up.
>>4100853If you truly are trying to fangame you shouldn't give a fuck about canon and just do your own thing, worrying about what Toby will do and bending to him just invites more possibilities for Toby to assrape you again.
>>4100885Finding the Vessel in the depths, obviously. That's why Kris gets used up immediately afterwards.
>>4100910You're too deep in your own headcanon that you can't notice basic foreshadowing.
>>4100845Oh, the horror, people expect things introduced to have relevancy or payoff and for the final boss to not be a complete ass pull near the end.
How will Toby deal with the Vessel gifts assuming Hometown Massacre is real?
>>4100934It doesn't suck though unless you're part of the people that were raped by Toby.
>>4100960Probably some gameplay differences like that one fangame with the Vessel and Dess did.
>>4100804starting to realize that toby's newsletter is going to cause more retards to double down on their theory being perfectly in line with toby's vision while they dismiss other 'lesser theories' as being the problematic ones.cant do shit on modern internet without a bunch of tribalist discord fags attempting to build a narrative and forming a social hierarchy around it
>>4100626>Book upstairsAh, how naïve we were. The hope that we would be able to read the book. How silly of us.
>>4100789Those white "sparkles/eyes" show up only a moment before Fountain is created. Ralsei interrupted Berdly before it could get to that point.
(Chorus 100x) woooowoooaahhhoooahhhh woaah ooooh oooohhhtoby fox raped my ass
>>4100853>will just look at the scene with confusionAnon, people watched enough Avengers: Infinity War/other media to know what "dusting" means.
>>4100626I don't understand the Sans screentime part. People suddenly don't like Sans now even for lore bait?
>>4100964>"But then you get ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from all that build up!the most overused gotcha in the game
>>4100863We got one of the codes (as a Flowery's last "fuck you" to Kris), which goes directly contrary to the doom board.
>>4100934>They hated Anon because he told them the truth.
>>4100771People really went "the ROARING happens in Chapter 5 and everything explodes and Chapter 6 and 7 are uhhhh Chapter 6 is a shelter horror game and Chapter 7 is whatever meta crossover with Undertale and Mother 3 player vs author vs character file manipulation acid trip" then get surprised the game isn't actually like that
>>4100973>2021 fags expect most of the remaining chapters to be like 1 and 2>"You're a retard for expecting that!">2025 fags expect the rest of the game to follow the escalation that started with 3 and 4>"You're a retard for expecting that!"I get it bitch, we're supposed to not expect a single thing from the game we paid for, we must just accept anything we get from this vanity project that only tied itself to a game we liked for the sake of tricking the fans into funding it.
>>4100771>expecting the main plot to be addressed >ridiculously high expectations
>>4100982What do you think the main plot is?
>>4100986MAYBE it's stopping whatever the knight is trying to achieve through the kidnappings. Just maybe.
>>4100987So we've got>Jockington grows the beard (prophecy progression)>Love finds it way to the girl (prophecy progression)>Flower man trapped in asylum (prophecy progression)And one of the shelter codes to get into the place where the big bad knight is. How is that not addressing the plot?
>>4100990>THEY'LL HEAR THE RING OF HEAVEN'S CALL (church bells in chapter 5)>THEY'LL SEE THE TAIL OF HELL TAKE CRAWL(hasn't happed yet)The SJELTER chapter 6 never fcuking ends for me
>>4100990The police sacrifice next week plot point got reinforced with Asgore's kidnapping too.
>>4100990>joke that Susie doesn't even acknowledge >shit that was a given since 2>time wasting dark world that doesn't really matter >>4100992>no one flinches about people getting taken compared to how 3 and 4 tackled the same thing
>>4100993Nothing in your post contradicts what you're replying to. The prophesy is moving on, the Knight's plan is moving on.
>>4100993>d-d-doesn't matter!!! Where's muh penumbra phantasm gaster megalovania?!!???COPE. The plot is happening.
>>4100937>or took the dog's "don't worry about the pacing until it's over!" at face value.How else do you want me to take it
>>4100958Name one question here that is headcanon and not consistent with what is shown in-universe.
>>4100980Yeah faggot. You paid money to so that LORD Toby Fox could complete his vision. You mad?
>>4101001dummy.
>>4101000Almost all of them, you're making assumptions about weird route and then dismissing what happens in Mantle based on those, rather than fitting your theories in what happens in it.
>>4100891"Heaven" and "Hell" is the same place. World layers form a ring.
>>4100968It just looks bad because it looks like he's getting more time because he's a popular character.If you believe that he was always meant to get this much screentime and I do, despite everything there's no problem.
>>4100968>>4101009The doomer bingo is expecting him to get no screen time, I'm pretty sure.
>>4101004>You know you have to be more specific than that.
>>4101010Nah cause it shows him with a greater than sign while Noelle has a less than sign
>>4101011All of these are either stated or heavily implied with evidence, mind you.>Nowhere is a canonical location and something stated repeatedly to be the location 7B takes place in.>The vessel is visibly shown to be in the Depths.>Nowhere is implied to be a location you can't go back from (YOU LOST IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO SEE TO FAR)>Nowhere isn't tied to any specific Dark World.>Nowhere and the Depths are seperate locations, unless you think MANCOUNTRY and the egg rooms are in the Depths???)>The shelter and the Depths are considered synonymous by the game, and in the thankyou ARG.>The manhole dungeon is shown to not be the shelter, as the shelter only appears AFTER you've cleared it.>Susie and Ralsei are shown following you in the third mantle game.
>>4101017*TOO FAR
>>4101017You're proving my point, you're making a ton of assumptions about the locations and how everything works when the "ice palace" in Mantle was already a mixture between Cyber World and the lake, two completely different locations on two different worlds.
>>4101017>>The vessel is visibly shown to be in the Depths.No, the vessel is in Gonermaker sequence, which uses "IMAGE_DEPTH" background. We don't know if it's Depths, DEVICE layer, or something else. Ralsei mentioned UI layer in ch5, seemingly it's separate from Hell.>>Nowhere is implied to be a location you can't go back fromwutEverything else is just a bunch of disparate factoids, not even coherent.
>>4101022>Actually nothing in MANTLE means anything so long as it isn't related to Chara Genocides.>>4101023>The vessel is shown to be in backdrop of the Depths, but we can't say for sure that its in the Depths.???>wutWell, any ideas on getting out of picrel?>Everything else is just a bunch of disparate factoidsSo??? Why do you need to go into the shelter if you're already in the depths? (which, is considered THE SAME THING by ERAM, who is IN THE SHELTER.)
>>4101027>???That texture was used all over the place. All fountains, behind Knight, Prophecy, 3rd sanctuary, the list goes on. >Well, any ideas on getting out of picrel?It's it's anything like Mancountry, the game would kick you out on the lightest sneeze
>>4101027Can't you get out of there using the bread crumbs item in Mother 1?
>>4101029>That texture was used all over the place.Dark worlds, believe it or not are associated with the Depths. Yeah, crazy, i know.>It's it's anything like Mancountry, the game would kick you out on the lightest sneezeOkay but it's not like Mancountry, and the game says so.>I SENSE NOTHING BUT EVIL FROM THAT PLACE!>Good, it's not a good idea to go nowhere with somebody else... (geez i sure wonder what THIS is talking about??)>>4101031Do you really think Sans is gonna give you the breadcrumbs so you can leave Nowhere with the vessel and Genocides hometown? The words:>Tends to leave crumbswould probably imply it's for tracking you.
>>4101032That glitch is used for sequence-break teleportation. I.e. you can leave.Also "Coldwater fell from the sky" didn't happen yet, so the return is predestined.
>>4101032Yeah but in Mother 1 it works like that. Sans probably wants Kris and Noelle to come back safely if they somehow noclip through the lake, he just doesn't know the Vessel is gonna do that instead.
>>4101035Are we still saying the weird route takes place in the boundaries of the prophecy after the flower man panel was prevented?>>4101036>Sans probably wants Kris and Noelle to come back safely if they somehow noclip through the lake he just doesn't know the Vessel is gonna do that instead.Okay, you're gonna call my post headcanon then write this shit.First off Sans knowing about the lake skip means that he is:>Aware of the weird route.>In on Gaster's shit, if he knows about The Gaster Dimension Beneath The Lake without being assassinated by NormalNPC.If he (probably) knew that the vessel was just being left to rot in 7B, and (certainly) knew that the Soul's intentions are entirely malicious... why would he give them an easy way to leave and keep fucking things up???Hell, theres nothing saying that the glitch applies to Deltarune as well. It could just be a homage with the lake skip being the actual method of glitching out of bounds.
>>4101043>Are we still saying the weird route takes place in the boundaries of the prophecy after the flower man panel was prevented?"You're getting ahead of yourself.""You know that isn't until later."
>>4101046Oh, you mean that.Snow is VERY SPECIFICALLY associated with Noelle ESPECIALLY ON THE WEIRD ROUTE. If you're leaving to make it snow then you'd have to bring Noelle with you... Which kind of contradicts the "You'll kill Kris and Noelle so you can get the Vessel and teleport to hometown!" schtick, doesn't it?
To me both Sans and Alphys seem like outside agents that are either observers or damage controllers. Susie also moved in recently too but she's too convincingly stupid to not discount the possibility that she actually is retarded, so I'm not counting her in that group yet.
>>4101048Alphys?
>>4101027How do you even get that strawman from me when I was explaining what Mantle actually means? Plus Mantle is literally the game where you kill everyone, stop being mindbroken over genocide.
>>4101049She moved in just a while ago so she's a suspect too.
Genocide is more popular than True Pacifist.
alphys was a plant who relocated to hometown to distract asgore with her huge ass obviously
>>4101057You didn't explain what Mantle means though?Explain it. Explain to me what you think Mantle means, in detail.
>>4101062I explained how the ice palace isn't literal as Berdly gets frozen in cyber city so you shouldn't take locations of it literally.
the creature
There are three possible interpretations for Mantle.>Mantle means nothing >Mantle is foreshadowing for the Weird Route >Mantle is foreshadowing for a secret third route We're getting an answer for the third one in the next chapter, so we'll know if that's the right one, or if it has to be one of the other two. Personally I'm going with the second since I don't think there will be a third route.
>>4101023I do believe the goner maker is in the lake, which doesn't have to be the depths or hell or whatever. I believe this because the background for the goner maker is an image of water, so I'm pretty sure that is a sign it could very well be in the lake. Beyond that the fact that it's called the goner maker, and the goners are gray in Undertale, and the Vessel is too, and there is a grey land in Mancountry that you can see with the binoculars, makes me think that the place we see is where the location of the goner maker.
>>4101068Da meow.
>>4101067Why not? The black void (Nowhere) that is stated to have nothing (Nowhere) there after you did the MANTLE equivalent of the lake scene, which leads to Nowhere seems like a pretty obvious allegory for Nowhere, the location. And the shelter showing up is quite literally the most literal and nonmetaphorical thing physically possible.
>>4101068...I still HOPE that the vessel will show up in chapter 6.
>>4101068How much are you gonna cry when Noelle and Kris arrive at Nowhere and find a mountain of inanimate, discarded Vessels? If anything, I can imagine Vessels might just be common enemies in 7B, each slightly different and deformed.
>>4101076It's okay because none of them are the one (You) made.
Not getting into this conversation since I've already had it too many times before, but I just want to mention, when talking about the weird route, and mantle, I think it's important to take into account the context in which mantle is being accessed, that is, it being the, seemingly, original version of a game you already played, that you were forced to play but with a modified version before.
>>4101074You're doing the exact thing of making assumptions and treating them as true when it was just explained to you that locations aren't literal. The black screen could simply be where the Vessel is and where we will go after the lake, it doesn't NEED to be this Nowhere location that you already assumed is different from where the vessel is.
>>4101076>How much are you gonna cry when [headcanon]She was used up.
>>4101084Imagine if your vessel is one of the enemies and you have to recognize and spare it to get it on your side, otherwise it's lost forever
>>4101087Explain how that contradicts what I just told you. Yeah, Noelle might end up being used by Kris, so? What I'm saying is that Vessels might not be important at all and are just common abominations from the abyss that you'll need to beat in that chapter.
>>4101089Guess i'll spare everyone since I play on PS5.Something like that would probably happen on Side A though unless ERAM possess the Vessel.
>>4101087>She was used up.NTA see >>4099813
>>4101091You were used up.
You fags focus so hard on MANTLE you forget all minigame shit is foreshadowing something in 3, probably even the random puzzles you find.
>>4101085Another thing to add to this. Remember that the first time you play the Legend of Tenna, you get this intro screen, which seems to be about to show you a "MANTLE" title, with a sword in it, and then it suddenly changes to something completely different, the Legend of Tenna. Now remember the earlier events in the game, when did you see a similar situation before? One that lead you to believe that you were about to play something with a specific look only for it to suddenly change and you're playing something completely different, when has something like that happened before in Deltarune?
>>4101094>You were used up.Indeed, me aka the SOUL. You literally can't prove otherwise, given ERAM speaks to Kris after being defeated. Boo-hoo.
>>4101096>lead you to believe that you were about to play something with a specific look only for it to suddenly change and you're playing something completely different, when has something like that happened before in Deltarune?Every single new release after the survey program?
Kriselle date is the option for people who want 7B to be a walking simulator and to be about Kriselle themes and such.Hometown Massacre is genocides 2 hype moments and aura
>>4100866>ONE panel is withheld from you, which is literally the ending of the game.The Angel is withheld from us tooAlso typically in just about any story, you're told about what bad thing can happen that you're trying to avoid. Otherwise how can you possibly get immersed whatsoever when you don't even know what's going on?In chapter 5, I couldn't help but laugh when Ralsei says "Wanna know what will happen if I don't follow the rules? Everything will fall apart!"Yeah man, I really WOULD like to know what will happen because I literally don't know what consequences I should be worried about!
>>4101098Man I can't believe 7B is super short if we die in it so soon, thankfully the number in the website is smaller than 1 since that's true.
>>4101076Depends on how good the meat factory beat is
>>4101103You see, I don't understand why you think being used means dying. Kris has been using Susie since Chapter 1, and she isn't even aware of it.Maybe Kris or ERAM just manipulate us somehow.
>>4101105>being usedBeing used *up*. You're missing the key word.
>>4101105"Used up" and "used" are two different terms."Used up" means "used until it's gone".A person being gone typically means they're dead. The player being gone would imply no more game for us to play.
>>4101105I don't think it's a coincidence that in chapter 5 we got>(The Yellow Key got used up.)The key didn't die, obviously, but it left our inventory and never mattered to us againI could see that Kris and Noelle could theoretically be "used up" to let us get to our vessel and then what they do later doesn't matter to us now that we have our vessel
>>4101101Have you seen this game? Walking simulator is the only thing Toby Fox can do, and if you don't think anything you do with the vessel won't be a walking simulator, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
>>4101110I wonder if the killing of Ralsei and Susie in MANTLE was metaphorical and it only meant well ditch them behind and never see them again.
>>4101105>Maybe Kris or ERAM just manipulate us somehow.The fact that Eram only shows you the Weird route after the moment of opportunity to do it has passed it should mean Eram knows about save files therefore is aware Kris could do it all again next time, no?
>>4101105The exact words that are used in that scene are "used up", and the white cloak disappears after that text, I don't think you can fault anyone for thinking it might mean death. It could also mean abandoning something that has already outlived its usefulness.
>>4101086So you're just going to argue semantics instead of actually saying something? Okay.>>4101096This doesn't work for proof of the vessel showing up in 7B. Gaster is the one who modified the game, the vessel is a creation of Gaster and ERAM (who comes from the original game) is the one who discarded it.
>>4101115I think this is evidence that when Eram talks to Kris, he's actually talking to you most of the time.
>>4101101What's the middle road
>>4101114This could make sense but it seems very weird that you get the leave them behind scene after Mantle's equivalent of crossing the lake, since you've already left them behind at that point, not much sense in showing it now.
>>4101118Eram is way too personal with Kris even suggests actions that reflect Kris' feelings so that seems unlikely. Besides why wouldn't Kris already know a shit ton of meta stuff anyway?
>>4101119fucked up 7b exclusive dark world
>>4101119UhhhhhHometown Massacres with Kris?
>>4101119Kriselle date where you fight Sans and Gaster and the Goners and theres crazy Hype Moments and Aura throughout.
>>4101119aborted route not far enough to completely break the game with weird route, but not completely blinded by the prophecy like the normal route noelle is aware, kris is aware, and susie is a lot more careful around both of them instead of completely sidelining kris and disregarding her and noelle's history
>>4101118No, ERAM is definitely speaking to Kris, and not the Kris from the game or the SOUL.
Look, this whole conversation is pointless. You have two sides, one believes the Vessel is something very important to the Weird Route, while the other thinks it's all about Noelle and Kriselle. Neither side will be convinced into changing their views, no matter how many arguments are thrown around here. This isn't going to get resolved until we a new chapter gives us more information.
>>4101129He speaks as if he's responsible for Kris's change in the weird route. Because he probably is.
>Hmm.... it sure is weird that you end up in a city and Susie and Ralsei are in your party...It's because the MANTLE GAMES. Represent DIFFERENT ROUTES. And the third game represents the TWISTED ROUTE that EXISTS ACTUALLY.
>>4101130I hope both get nothing
>>4101130Okay but what else is there to talk about?
>>4101130>Neither side will be convinced into changing their viewsWell of course not, it all boils down to whether you want to fuck the Vessel or Noelle
>>4101130I believe the WR is neither the Kriselle route nor the Vessel route but something a little in between
>>4101132Kid named Number 3 (forma de big):
>>4101105Noelle literally disappears from Mantle and never returns after being used up.
>>4101136But what if...we mixed the Vessel and the doe together?
>>4101139Why would the 3 be smaller if the twisted route exists?>Umm... because it just WOULD be smaller, okay??
>>4101119You do Hometown Genocides with Kris and Noelle.
>>4101130>the Vessel is something very important to the Weird RouteOnly retards believe that. The Vessel can't survive without a soul. Just look at Kris, he starts to slowly die as soon as he takes his soul out of his body. He was barely alive after 8–12 hours without it. It's been five days already, so the Vessel is definitely dead and has started to decompose.
>>4101130It doesn't matter what anyone wants as everyone in and out of the game is getting gigacucked by the prophecy
>>4101132>And the third game represents the TWISTED ROUTE that EXISTS ACTUALLY.Any evidence of it existing?
>>4101145Kris had a soul before us and they became connected to us. The Vessel didn't have a connection with us yet (also goner biology almost definitely doesn't work like normal biology)
>>4101131I think ERAM is just trying to stop Kris from being a hypocrite and make them accept their malicious side. Kris was a piece of shit as a child and loved to torment Noelle out of affection. Current Kris is probably still the same deep down, given much of their inner thoughts show them still being childish.It's the typical cliché villain quote where they try to prove to the main character that they're both the same. My headcanon is that ERAM is Kris's red horned headband, which is why it's so malicious and knows Kris so well.
The Vessel isn't even a character. It's just a lifeless shell for us. Think of the Vessel as an exo-suit.
>>4101147Any evidence of it not?
>>4101147>The TwistedSwd as a weapon, and just everything about it in general>The WR abort jingle not playing it you drown during the lake skip>Chapter 5's aborted weird route having unique dialogue>Noelle still having the ThornRing equipped and still being mindbroken if you abort in chapter 5>MANTLE placing heavy emphasis on picking up a sword>MANTLE's third game making no sense if it took place right after the second game chronologically>MANTLE's third game having (potential... and speculative) parallels to what chapter 6 (potentially) would (speculatively) be like
>>4101150It has it's own mind as Gaster says so. Not completely lifeless or thoughtless.
>I believe X exists>do you have any evidence of X existing?>do you have any evidence of X NOT existing?Amazing
>>4101148I'm not interested in your headcanon. I'm basing my opinion on what we saw in the game. Not
Does the Ch 5 dialogue meant that FRIENDs and ERAM are on a separate agenda from Gaster's experiments?
>>4101155I believe in the gospel of Michael
>>4101154>It has it's own mind as [HEADCANON] All Vesselfags should go write fanfics.
>>4101160>LET US SHAPE ITS MIND AS YOUR OWN.>HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT YOUR CREATION?>(IT WILL NOT HEAR.)From the Deltarune textdump.
>>4101146The prophecy says ralsei uses fire magicThere is no prophecy
>>4101157no idea, it's so vague i just can't tell!
A hypothetical for twisted route believers, if 6 comes out and it turns out that the changes in the aborted weird route are minimal and you can get the twisted sword even outside of aborted weird route, and it doesn't lead to any kind of killing spree in Hometown or Castle Town, how would that change your current understanding of the game and the weird route?
>>4101157Well they have some shared interests (hating the egg-man)...But ERAM interrupting the gonermaker implies they are actively hostile to Gaster's goals, and also MANTLE (which ERAM made) making you kill Tenna, who is a Gaster parallel. Implying ERAM wants you to kill Gaster.DEVICE_FRIEND was created by Gaster (hence the DEVICE_) but is said to be fickle and not very smart. So they just align with whoever controls them.
>>4101155yeah but where's your evidence though
>>4101162It won't hear because it can't hear anything
>>4101162>IT WILL NOT HEARYeah, because it's just a lifeless shell.
I was about to post this as proof that ERAM is the red horned headband, but then I noticed the Delta Rune symbol on the door has four triangles instead of three. I think this implies Noelle will become part of the main group after all, which means this is the normal route of the game and not the Weird Route?
>>4101170No, It means that the "AT LAST WAS THE GIRL" is the fourth Hero of the prophecy.Mantle is not connected to Side A.
>>4101169>LET US SHAPE ITS MIND AS YOUR OWN>*ITS* MIND>Implying of course, it has a mind, which means it can't be mindless.
>>4101163the prophecy displays him having magic but not that he particularly has to use it. not that it told him what he has to use it on anyway...
You're kidding yourself if you think getting the vessel will be anything but a walking simulator endingnwith a cutting remark about how you always had freedom by turning off the game and playing an hypothetical game that doesn't exist instead
>>4101145Kris actually starts to become gray like the Vessel's.
>>4101170This kind of symbol appears even before you meet the white cloak, which could potentially indicate that this version of the story or whatever Mantle alludes to can only play out if from the get go you have four delta warriors, not three.
But how would Toby write the Vessel?Would he write the Vessel as a completely cold individual?
>>4101153Do you actually think Toby will add several boss fights in the chapter he said would be linear and simple to make?
I really do think we're getting 4 characters, at least for chapter 6
>>4101178>grayNo, he becomes green, as if they were sick or rotting. Go play the beginning of Chapter 5 again.
>>4101173Gaster was simply configuring the artificial brains to ensure maximum compatibility with you. The Vessel isn't alive. It's a vessel for us. If it were alive, it wouldn't just be a shell, and we'd have the same kinds of conflicts as we do with Kris. We wouldn't have complete control.
>>4101170Noelle is clearly the angel and that's what it shows. The angel banished will meet with its desire. She was used up.
>>4101180>But how would Toby write the Vessel?The Vessel is not a character.
>>4101183I don't know, would he? Does the killing even exist, or is it just (mostly) metaphorical like every other killing spree prior to the WHITECLOAK joining???
>>4101186What's the point if you won't need a brain where the vessel is going anyway
>>4101186>Gaster was simply (HEADCANON)
>>4101185That's Kris's becoming monochrome, dude
all canon is headcanon when the story is this much vague
>>4101180Vessel would be like Frisk. Just doing whatever you tell it to.
>>4101195Kris is yellow though. For him to turn green means he is becoming darker. If Kris skin were losing color then he would become white.
>>4101200Except open some doors
>>4101191You can't control the body without the brain. >>4101192Everything surrounding The Vessel is 99% headcanon. The vesselfags literally live in a fantasy world.
>>4101190He wouldn't, just like there's no third route.
>>4101205Im not a vesselfag but denying that the vessel is even sentient is overcorrection. You have to ignore most of the gonermaker for that to be the case.
>>4101170That's not a fourth triangle, it's a keyhole.Doesnt mean it isnt talking about Noelle though
My guesses:>Egg / Issue route (which amusingly, could be the pacifist route equivelant)FRIEND attack % chance increasing by egg amount in ch 6-7 All 5 eggs and avoiding the achievement marks, becoming too much of an "issue" leading to ERAM or Gaster directly attacking you>Twisted/Aborted RouteAborting 5B, Noelle alt. boss in Ch 6?I kinda think would 'resolve' there and 7A would go basically the same until the end.Twisted Sword maybe is able to do stuff that alters the end fight? Issue is not knowing what said end fight is.
>>4101203But if the game gives you a prompt to open a door it wouldn't hesitate to try.
>>4101185She's not turning green, her skin is just more desaturatedTop is rotting, bottom is normal
>>4101211That the device voice (or gaster) calls out you for intentionally avoiding achievement marks is why I think something like an "issue" route could exist (I know it is sometimes called an egg route but I find I like calling it the 'issue' route)
>>4100946Maybe Pink will be vaccine element and Eram is basically the same design but virus element
>>4101217Anti-achievement actions undermining the survey, the eggs undermining control on krisIm sure it won't lead to any consequences and just be a change of flavor text, right?Right?
>>4101076KINO
>>4101084What if it is though and they're just there for something else entirely
>>4101095Some theorists noticed similarity between the beach of love and hometown lake. Including the strange icy texture for "Atlantis".
>>4101149Eram is The Joker?
>>4101101There is literally no reason for Kris to want to kill everyone, he might do shady deals but if you pay attention he's more or less the hero he's supposed to be. There will be NO massacre and edgyfags will cry about getting baited.
>>4101229Two sides of Krismas.
>>4101235Yeah that's why Hometown Massacre is about the Vessel doing it. Toby WILL deliver genoKINO.
>>4101155You eventually realize mikefags aren't just fags about mike but about everything in this game
>>4101183Thinking about this further, when has Toby ever called chapter 6 linear? Genuine question. Also im pretty sure gimmicks have been consistently stated to be the "hard part" of development, but have battles ever been described as such?
>>4101162>SQUADALA, IT WON'T HEAR!Honestly that part confused me
>>4101229Kris just looks like Aqua here.
>>4101241Never. He said Chapter 6 will focus on one thing that has been left obscure, and for some reason people thought he meant it would be a linear chapter. Also there's the thing about him saying this chapter would be easy to make, except he said the exact same thing about Chapter 4 too.
>no you see this one part I'm very fixated on is IMPORTANT and will change EVERYTHING! toby put it in because he carefully thinks about every aspect of the game and it's all CONNECTED! >these other things that are just as potentially important or might disprove my theories? eh toby probably threw that in as a random joke or reference, it doesn't mean anything
>>4101235I feel like the same destruction already would occur from "abandoning hometown as the roaring happens" without directly massacring hometown.The implication of 5B is dire but it is even more dire than I think some people realize. No soul, no sealed fountains. No soul, no mechanism to end the roaring.
>>4101235Nobody said Kris would do it, though. He's obviously not doing much after the lake skip.
>>4101229A fitting synthesis>>4101241It's easy to assume it will be since one entire route skips it
>>4101246I say this.
>>4101247I want a moment in 7B that mirrors the ch1 opening where it pans to hometown in the distance with a bunch of dark fountains rising into the sky
>>4101241>>4101245Toby said it would be shorter than usual, if you genuinely think Toby will put all of board 3 in Chapter 6 of all things than Chapter 6 will really disappoint you.
>>4101229Holy! so many ERAM's lately
>Chapter 6Shelter>Chapter 7ARoaring/Ice Palace (you'll get your glup shitto vessel back in this chapter)>Chapter 7BNowhere/Under the lake/Wing Ding's Sex Dungeon
>>4101249The weird route skips chapter 5 because it diverges so heavily from the game that the events of chapter 6 become impossible, and 7B is totally distinct from chapter 7. That doesn't mean chapter 6 is unimportant???
DELTARUNE WAS USED UP.
It's funny seeing weird route going from ''DUD we're possessing Noelle and snowgraving the world'' to ''Kriselle evil date vs Hometown massacre''
>>4101255*Chapter's 5 and 6 i mean.
chapter 6 will be chapter 1's length
>>4101244It is Aqua
>>4101252What is Deltarune's "usual"? Chapter 1 is short as fuck, Chapter 2 is long, Chapter 3 is shorter, then Chapter 4 is long again, then Chapter 5 is super long as fuck
>>4101241He has called it straightforward in the last newsletter>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/summer26/>Chapter 6 is a shorter, straightforward chapter that focuses on one aspect of the story. I assume you could say that straightforward could mean anything, and not necessarily a synonym of linear
>>4101255Chapter 6 is just more vague shit until the end where something that will only matter in 7 will be revealed. Tob doesn't have the balls to put the reveal early in the chapter so it will mostly be filler.
>>4101258Here's to hope board 3 isn't the weird route but something else since the first board was an undertale reference
>>4101258I always believed in Mantle so I knew 5's weird route would be about following the white cloak through the maze.
Toby Fox specifically called Chapter 6 "Straightforward" meaning that it'll actually get to the point without vagueposting. You ARE accounting for this statement right?
>>4101262I assume it's the shortest chapter, so shorter than 1.
>>4101258We've come so far...
>>4101269>it'll actually get to the point and stop being vague at the very endftfy
>>4101271You know it being called "short" doesn't mean its literally the shortest chapter in the game right.
>>4101258even back then i thought the idea that (you) would possess noelle was dumb as fuckliterally nothing in the game ever implied that, it was pure schizophrenia
I don't believe Twisted Route exists but I really wish it does, it's such a waste to have the perfect opportunity to set up a broken dillusioned Noelle after chickening out at the very last minute going complete haywire on the Normal route's path
>>4101273>ERAM gets their first onscreen appearance and does a "IT WAS ME BARRY" tier exposition dump where they reveal how they were responsible for every single bad thing that happened in Kris and Noelle's life
What if we have it wrong and FRIEND isn't the virus but something more akin to an antivirus?Good thing we aren't doing anything that glitches the game or causes issues.
>>4101269>Noelle...>Ever since THAT DAY i blamed everyone else for what happened>Ohhhhh THAT INCIDENT>*gets kidnapped*
>>4101269nah bro cause I dunno exactly what you mean by "straightforward." Nigga is being vague within his own newsletter
>>4101275Because in the thank you red dot scene, people started saying that you could move the red dot WHEN IT'S NOT TRUE LMAO, i saw so many people saying that
>>4101281honestly if carol gets kidnapped the same way as asgore i'll laugh and call it basedat that point he's clearly taking the piss and deltarune is just one big shitpost he duped everyone into thinking was serious
>>4101278Ch 6 ending on a much more fucked up note (like Noelle replacing Carol as the ch 6 boss) I think could occur while still leaving 7A unsettlingly the same.
>>4101274No other chapter was called short nor straightforward. We aren't getting a secret route with several fights this chapter.
>>4101263The game was never straightforward. Being straightforward isn't supported these days
>>4101286Anon the holiday house's layout has been pretty perfectly set up like a row of dominoes to solve every non-ending related mystery in the game. Like December's room even has a microphone in it. Like THE Mike. THE Mike you've spent 5 years schizoposting about. He's in.
>>4101285If it sounds far fetched (or you just don't believe Carol will be relevant) think how a snorted route Noelle would react to whatever Carol expects her to do with regards to that sacrifice. A weaker noelle would be scared and feeling powerless.But that isn't what an aborted route Noelle necessarily is.
>>4101134most likely outcomedoomposters are the most criticized but also the most often correct
If you consider that chapter 6 will have unparalleled levels of Noelle suffering, (it will) then you can consider on the normal route Noelle is just going to have a complete mental breakdown, whereas a pre-chapter 5 aborted WR noelle would maybe deal with it better on account of being "stronger". Post chapter-5 WR Noelle will just straight up kill herself and you'll be softlocked without the TwistedSwd.
>>4101288I don't think the Holiday household is the Dark World.
>>4101288As if Toby Fox would ever make darkners again. He had his opportunity before and laughed at people who wanted him to take advantage of the sandbox of ideas he created.I remember the nonexistant How to Draw Dragons Darkner that never showed up and Kris's cactus-I mean the curtain.I remember how the organ was still just an organ for no real reason.
>>4101196vague is just the beginningif things weren't vague we'd still have to deal with toby fox's constant "screw the audience" jokes and deliberately misleading cutscenes.
>>4101292To me not believing in the Holiday House is simply not having confidence in Toby Fox and believing that chapter 6 will be a dud, to the point you even ignore actual foreshadowing and setup relating to the holiday house. It is THE most kino dark world location in the entire game.
>>4101275The red dot sprite is called main_chara and the chasriel fusion is a precedent for this
>>4101294>it will answer one thing for certainand then it's just trans ralsei and the series shits itself and dies TADC style
>>4101293Hi to whatever schizo this is. Care to remind me about how Toby Fox RAPED and BROKE you?
IN 7B SUSIE WILL STEAL YOUR PROTAGONISM AGAIN AND DO THE HOMETOWN MASSACRE HERSELF, AND NO ,YOU CAN'T CONTROL HER
saar please do not critic the tob you are the raped
>>4101299susie dies in chapter 6
>>4101295I don't think the Holiday house is the Dark world and I still believe in his writing. Because he said:>focuses on one aspect of the story. Because of that, many things are still not touched on here – in fact, it may surprise you what was missing!A Holiday mansion dark world could probably answer half if not most of the story all in one go, and he said we'll be surprised at what wasn't addressed, which seems like the "obvious" stuff, like the Incident, the Knight, might not be the focus of the chapter.
>>4101293>toby didn't make the exact Darkners I wanted so he doesn't want to make Darkners at all and will cop out at every opportunityMindbroken.
>>4101301You are infact very raped if you keep posting about Deltarune despite believing Toby Fox hates you and is personally trying to torment you by not writing in things you want.
>>4101291I have no idea how Noelle as a party member even would work This doesn't strike me as someone who will be following commands as a party member
>>4101296The scene with the red dot is called ''blood_drip'', maybe it was just the simple boring answer in the end
>>4101308Rape.
>>4101304When I see dev being lazy I expect dev to keep being lazy
>https://files.catbox.moe/2lagzh.mp4>Normies are now stealing our cultureIt was MY idea, fuck them
>>4101311Anon, it can't just be OUR thing anymore.
>>4101303>It can't be the holiday house because it's TOO KINO>The holiday house is SIMPLY TOO GOOD, Toby Fox told us that chapter 6 would suck ass!>Toby Fox would be providing payoff to a massive amount of buildup, which is GOOD WRITING which simply isn't possible!>Theres just TOO MUCH EVIDENCE... It's simply TOO OBVIOUSLY the holiday house...>Toby Fox said he would just vaguepost and the holiday house is simply SO MASTERFULLY DESIGNED and has such a GENIUS LUDONARRATIVE STRUCTURE that i get a RAGING ERRECTION just thinking about it... So i think its unlikely.>If it was the holiday house i'd start CUMMING BUCKETS from how BEAUTIFUL and AWE-INSPIRING it is, which we know can't happen.This is basically all Holiday House dark world denial
toby fox started donating to BLM and i sat my white ass down and played his shitty unfinished game
>>4101313Yeah, he's incompetent and I expect him to take the laziest way out of the corner he wrote himself into.
>>4101311see they're wrong in that they think noelle will go back to "oh no what happened!"she's icing that entire town.
>>4101306I'm sure she'd take whatever Carol tells her in ch 6 well and go with the plan she laid out for her I'm sure of itIt'll just play out all the same, right?
>>4101310>it's lazy for a full length chapter with a normal amount of gameplay to be made without the exact Darkners I wanted to seeRaped and gaped by the dog.
>>4101312>it has to be xitter's thing too
>>4101317Carol's in part why the angel exists and Noelle seems to be aware of there being a separate influence in aborted. Carol may likely have Noelle as part of whatever weird fucking plan she is working on if she is the one pulling strings. But if she's not then lol I'm sure that won't have consequence
>>4101322The red heart pillows, the red (you) and all that I don't know how you reconcile that with the "catty and kris did a ritual with a demon" backstory at all however.
>>4101322Noelle believing Carol summoned it even if she didn't do any of that would fit a conspiratorial thinking for what it's worth
they should start a gaming channel
>>4101325the demon is whoever the leader of the FRIEND pack is
>some retards are actually taking the bait and thinking Carol is evilImagine falling for the most obvious red herring of all time...
>>4101330They get banned after the Knight gores Kris a few minutes into their second video
>>4101329Probably more likely than Carol being actually evil
>>4101330You can't take a helmet off if it looks like that
>>4101318I don't like his game anymore don't say I was raped
>>4101295I have confidence in him which is why I know it's the hospital because moving Rudy to the household makes no sense.
>>4101330>>4101333their bit is "stoic gamer rage gamer"but the knight always goes too far and destroys the whole setup, so they go bankrupt before the channel gets big enough to fund it.
>>4101098No way 7B is a movie???
>>4101330Ask Kris's TV and he will tell you Kris HATES games
>>4101309Everyone in Hometown...
>>4101332Carol is not evil she's something worse, she's homophobic
>>4101345Am I Carol then...? I was a mother all this time???
>>4101345Is that enough to have someone assassinate you for it?
>>4101330it would do wellthey both like games and noelle has a knack for glitching them
>>4101348To be fair aborted WR Noelle was having a psychotic break
>>4101345Based Carol
>>4101350Only aborted?
>>4101288Kris would rather burn the house down before letting us see its dark world
>>41013537B Noelle is uhhSomewhere else Normal route noelle wouldn't do shit
I wish Noelle had one of those anime girl moments where she cuts her hair dramatically to show her character development
>>4101358I've thought about that too but her long hair is too cool. 5B would not be as awesome if it was just a bit of her hair flowing in the wind or getting wet
>>4101358Fuck you and your shit taste>Kris, I am no longer the Noelle you knew>From now on... I am... NOEL
my endorphins are critically low i neeed HUMAN MILK from HUMAN BOOBIES i am SAD very Sad! MIlk Milk Milk Milk Human Boobie PLeASE
>>4101363*NEOL
>>4101364Go ahead
>>4101357What could Carol even do to set Noelle off lolThey're too busy dealing with Rudy dying and I just don't even get what their goal is. Summoning an angel? Already done. So what else is there to do but bunker and let the angel do its thing till the roaring blows over?
>>4101363erm actchually, transmasc Noelle's name is Noah.
Noah isn't even holiday term
>>4101368I dunno controlling mother and a schizophrenic says "you don't tell me what to do you hear" over a Ferris wheel ride out loud Noelle just sounds like an explosion waiting to happen
>being frustrated with the game means you're rapedToby is about to become the greatest rapist of all with 7
>>4101370I don't want to entertain this subject further but Noelle choosing a non-holiday name could represent her growing away from her mother's influence. It wouldn't be Noah though, it would be something cringy like Jason.
>>4101370that's the point (s)he hates his family so much it's supposed to cut it off completely
>game that is MAYVE 15% serious and 85% memes>100% of the theories are all super duper serious and mostly disregard the whimsy of most of the entire gameWas theorycrafting culture a mistake?
>>4101372I just have no idea how that shit will play our in 6 or 7I just struggle to see how it would play out the same way Even if it's just a shitshow of an argument rather than any snowgraves
>>4101377The whimsy was killed with the cuck scene.
>>4101286IIRC 2 was stated to be the longest chapter but 4 is decent length and 5 was too long for its own good
>>4101377Because no one has the balls to deliberately write something on par with "Oh, get up, you two. This is a comedy, not a tragedy." cutting into a serious moment.
>>4101368>What could Carol even do to set Noelle off lolunrelated to what you guys are probably talking about, but with how hard Toby is doubling down on the suselle stuff there's a chance Carol will bring up how Noelle was hanging out with Susie instead of being there for her father and this will actually set her off even when her dying father is right in front of her
>>4101377chapter 4 alone pushes that to at least 25% and 6 and 7 will push further
>>4101306It's neat how she's a complete doormat then her actual self is completely the opposite
>>4101363noel will impregnate kris with his 10' doe dicker
>>4101367Flat FemKris...
>>4101364Here you go, anon.https://files.catbox.moe/xvhqbx.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/f629n3.pngJust for (you)
>>4101366WAKE UP AND TASTE THE PAIN
>>4101383>Carol gets heated that Noelle was more worried about her dumbass girlfriend than her father>it actually pisses off Rudy enough that he butts in with notable exertion>Carol snaps back because she's "the only one in this whole town that's making any sense anymore" or some shit>Rudy literally dies arguing with his wife>Carol immediately blames Noelle, something something Dark World, makes Noelle into a caged princess because otherwise she'll just go and ruin everything else even more
>>4101330>Kris says nothing>the Knight just breathes loudly and yells sometimes, not even really during a cool moment or when he loses in the gameI would not watch it.>all their videos get tagged "ASMR"
>>4101377call it a hunch but i think people were expecting toby's "fever dream game" that he's spent a decade and a half working towards because he NEEDS to make the ending real to pick up a bit sooner than 85% of the way into the game, or to not stall the alt route introduced in ch2 to the final chapter.
>>4101386>Chapter 7B starts>Noelle is overjoyed, and Kris is scared of her>Noelle asks Kris to borrow their knife and cuts her own hair very short>Immediately Noelle takes the lead and tells Kris she will protect them>Kris becomes purely a supporting character in battle and grows more and more feminine as time goes on
>>4101332Everything in the game is a red herring, most of the dev time seems to go toward filling time while giving the player no solid clues to work with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-b_QeCUUVoI will always respect Deltarune for the amount of cool fanwork it generates, maybe this is part of Toby's impostor syndrome, but he's the source of inspiration for so many others.
>>4101374>growing away from her mother's influenceShe is literally her mom though, she's a hardcore controlling super bitch which is why she likes Kris because he's like Rudy in that he's easygoing and does what she wants.
>>4101388Human milk overdose...
>>4101390>Rudy wants Noelle to join the 44%Is he retarded
>>4101391I'd watch it and use the Knight's roars for my alarms
>>4101393This is just Side B in general anon. Have you noticed how Kris has been overpowered over and over again?
>>4101396Honestly I hope we get some real Noelle moments like that with Susie too. Not even for the yuri, but just so Susie can realize that getting together with Noelle might not actually be a good idea.
>>4101395It's a world with crazy designs with an isekai element that's ripe for adventures, it's no wonder everyone likes to imagine what they could do with it. With the varied tones it could make for a decent kids show or more mature stories too, it's a pretty versatile setting.
Undertale is still the better game.
Someone theorized that Kris took seeds not for final suicide, but for "yet another" suicide. I.e. when Kris dies, he can reset to ch1.
>>4101383>Noelle in aborted could be left with a dead father, a (still) missing sister and a cold catatonic mother >Susie too put off by it so they don't get together >Kris under intensive suicide watch after being found with poisonous golden flower seedsIt is comical how bad an aborted WR NR post-end state could be
>>4101332what did carol do to seem evil?she walks in her house and the town bum has her shoes on the couch with your dead/missing daughter's guitar in her hands strumming away. the gruesome punishment of "leave my house" before giving noelle a stern lecture in the kitchen. the only other information we have on her is that she runs fast and takes her position as mayor seriously. is there some evidence im missing here? it seems like the overwhelming majority of this community think's she's either pure cold evil or a fake-out to pure cold evil (despite being a long time family friend of the dreemurrs and well liked in town to become it's mayor).
>>4101410>shoes on the couch with her* dead/missing daughter's guitartypo plz forgive
>>4101410erm, she interrupted noelle and susie being hecking lesbians and thus is homophobic (evil)
And now it's time for our viewers to say something nice about Susie!
>>4101413She's a good friend and would die for Kris.
>>4101410To this fanbase who literally assassinate people for saying butt sex is gross and celebrate their murder, they think that Carol not approving of Suselle is worse than murder.
>>4101413*cricket sounds*
>>4101413she was a decent person (in CH4)
>>4101413She was actually presented as street smart in the earlier chapters.
>>4101407He took them because Rudy needs to die to integrate into the Knight's being so he can have full control over it
>>4101410As always, it's purely based on vibes, most of which coming from c.ogg and her being against Susie, the narrative's favorite specialest girl.
>>4101410>she runs fastShe really is Noelle 1.0
I can't stand Noelle sometimes, yeah your sister is gone, but you're still the richest girl in town, you're a top student, your dad has loved you until now even if he'll be gone soon, you still had a bunch of friends to reach out to including half the town your age have a crush on you, but she rather be a permanently disassociative nostalgiafag who can't stop thinking about the autistic kid that pranked her years ago, and not think for a second about building something new
>>4101415At least that's better than murdering your own family lmao
>>4101413she's funneh
>>4101423You think those terrorists killed anyone lol
>>4101422>and not think for a second about building something new*ahem*
>>4101390>Havinh Noelle in Dark world >A post-aborted WR Noelle Carol has no idea what's going to happen with Noelle in the dark world either. She didn't even think Noelle was going any crazy shit at the lake, didn't think twice if what could happen. So Carol is likely not aware of Noelle's crazier side at all. Noelle's facade is who Carol thinks Noelle is from what I can tell.
>>4101425Terrorists?
>>4101407Or maybe to load a previous save in chapter 6. What if Kris is aware of the whole Game Over stuff? Whatever move Kris is setting up might endanger their overall plan, or they're afraid of being locked into a bad outcome, so Kris will save-scum via suicide until they finally succeed.
>>4101426>what if Dess scissored me but it's not incest anymore
>>4101427WR happened in like 2-3 days so I think more than just Carol would be blindsided
>>4101413I like her theme song
>>4101414>She's a good friend and would die for Kris.BWAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>4101407There is so much wrong with that when you try to actually figure out how it would work that I dont even want to begin dissecting. The biggest problem is that is not at all how Determination works, unless the idea is he's forcing US to reset to ch1 by doing that
>>4101413She has some good ideas
What would it be like deltarune was your first game?
>>4101426she does not understand Susie is not crazy like that. she couldn't commit to biting someone's face off, she couldn't commit to killing Lancer, if she told Susie to drown in a lake with her she is not commiting bro
>>4101414*for Kris' belongings and place in life
>>4101393And then they both get USED UP immediately after.
>>4101437>ugh Susie would be such a bad gf she won't even do an assisted sewerslideWhat I'm hearing is Noelle is insane and Susie isn't
>>4101393That sounds unbelievably retarded
First part of 7B being all nice and FREEDOM before the crashing down of it all and reality ensuing is my guess
>>4101436I would immediately be disappointed when Dragon Quest VII does nothing interesting with any sort of meta narrative and fall asleep at the menu selection "gameplay"
>>4101439Your vessel? Discarded and forgotten.I'm so sowwy!
>>4101426she only likes susie's mask because it provides the promise of someone that can say "fuck the rules" and drown in a lake with herin reality susie is the exact opposite of that and wants every day to be the same as the last
>>4101436i'd probably eat shit and die when i got to the platforming segment in ch5
>>41014427B will literally just be a video clip of the end of Ferris Beuller where he's wondering why you're still here
>>4101442First half is Kriselle date second half is Hometown Massacre
Question, why is that anon so obsessed with Dragon Quest VII? He talks about that stupid game in every thread.
>>4101445Yeah no shit you retard
>>4101434Well... There's Light World side, and the Dark World side. Each are separate and even use different UI. When we die in the Dark World, we channel "Hope" to reload. Meanwhile we never died in the Light World. I presume Light World have Undertale's machanics where Kris channels Determination to reset. And we do know for a fact that SOULless Kris have Determination, because DT is required to create Dark Fountains.
>>4101450follow the reply chain before calling people retarded.
>>4101444Trips of truth
Noelle won't even listen to an angel in aborted So I just don't think she'd put up with Carol being controlling.
>>4101449Here's a better question: who cares? Besides, he admitted he paid like $25 to have his own family murdered in cold blood and he often comes up with homosexual fantasies about other men. He's a deranged 80 IQ sociopath.
>>4101451You're ignoring the elephant in the room, (You). Multiple people cant control of the save at once, whoever has the most Determination is who has sole control over it. Kris cant just force a reset himself even if he once had control of the save, that's not how it works
>>4101452I'm calling you a retard because you repeat the same information in every thread as if it's new each time even though all the same people are in each thread with one or two new party members joining or leaving
>>4101448>Date got interrupted by the roaring killing everyone in home townToby moment
>>4101454Noelle does not listen to herself?
>>4101410Have you seen Catti, she's extremely evil for doubting her and the crying was actually good because the scene was supposed to be positive, anyone who questions Susie is evil!Carol has an unused talking sprite with blood in her face
>>4101456Erhm... what is going on here??? Did I miss an episode?
>>4101436eat shit and die cause I would suck ass at video games
How many people are in here anyways.
>>410146430 or 40 max, why?
>>4101457Undertale specifically says that Underground and Surface have separate "top dogs" with save/load, remember? It's similar in DR, but for Light World/Dark World
A very*they*them*theirto all male Krisfags and fem Krisfags
>>4101459Are we sure the roaring kills everyone
>>4101464The /vrpg/ thread is as big as you imagine it to be
>>4101464Just me.
>>4101459I mean that's basically how UT's Asriel fight starts, everyone is celebrating how they all failed to kill Frisk then Flowey ganks them
>>4101468Darkness = No light = No food = Death
>>41014646 people.
>>4101467Kris is she/her, Aqua confirms this.
>>4101397Hey now, you were the one who asked for the dose. Hopefully you aren't depressed anymore. https://files.catbox.moe/ii6xvl.jpeg
>>4101462Several, if you don't recognize all that about him.
>>4101468Ralsei said so and we trust him!>>4101475We haven't actually seen how many eyes Kris has...
>>4101410Carol seems to emotionally abuse Noelle and doesn't seem to even care she gets locked out of her house. Plus her very menacing theme right when she enters and then her menacing line when you leave.
>>4101467They/them is used by mentally ill women. They don't suddenly become barbie dolls.
>>4101467Kristopher is the manliest man to ever man in mancountry
>>4101464There's me, my men, the Crusader, but only one of (You).
>>4101413She's still a good character and the fact people hate her now proves people only liked her because they thought she would be their wife.
>>4101477Honestly whenever some anons start rambling about off-topic shit my brain just filters it out. I don't even bother reading their posts.
>>4101481what about Krismas?
>>4101479Carol just wants to make Noelle an angel What's wrong with that?
7B will be just Dragon Quest 7
>>4101479So a bunch of superficial things played off as lighthearted jokes?
>>4101476You're gonna drown me at this point!
>>4101480>They/them is used by mentally ill womenWhat about Toriel? Asgore?? Susie??? Berdly???? Catti????? Ralsei????? Toby??????Noelle is mentally ill tho, I give you that.
>>4101484I also just skip most posts like that but he replies directly a lot until you unequivocally BTFO him in a convo and he posts enough that everyone recognizes him.
>>4101461wasn't aware of that spoilered thingknowing toby it's probably the juice from church that rudy gets splashed with, but she was removed from that scene
Carol really needed to do more in ch 5
>>4101481A man who wants to be festival queen?
>>4101413Ourple.
>>4101485Most beautiful little tomboy girl in the world
>>4101464there's dragon quest seven of us
>>4101466Undertale never says that, you're misremembering what the Legends of Localization says. There is no "Surface Top Dog", what it is is the Underground is so devoid of Determination from being cut off magically from the surface that a Determined being can Save/Load in it, and whoever has the most Determination is who controls it. That's how Flowey had control, and how he immediately lost it when an actual human fell. It never states this is possible in the Surface. This is likely why Toby didnt want to have Light World saves, because there's supposed to be too much determination to let any one person have sole control unlike in the Dark World which is a similar situation to the Underground.And again, you cant reset when someone with more Determination is present. Kris would have to surpass our will to do this, not just kill himself. Even if he still has a save, us being present should cancel out his attempt to load back into it after death because we're the dominant source of Determination
>>4101483You can tell this is the case because they immediately jumped ship to Kriselle and have convinced themselves that the girl who pines specifically for Kris for years is somehow in love with the player now due to one quote they love to misconstrue. The moral of the story is that shipfags and self inserters are a fucking cancer in a fandom.
>>4101488>getting locked out of your own house by your own mother>a "lighthearted joke"No wonder dog defenders still see Deltarune as a heartfelt tale of humor and friendship...
>>4101502My mother did that to me all the timeIt's normal
>>4101495yeah cause he'd own it better than Noelle lol
>>4101497Get off your phone!
>>4101495Kris wanted to prove his manliness by conquering the Queen role
>>4101436I would buy Undertale when the game tells me to.
>>4101444>Vessel out of literally nowhere
>>4101500Tangientially related but one scene I had in mind was having to use up Noelle to proceed in Weird, Kris turns to the screen and immediately reloads the save and saves right next to her then tries to do things differently but the player has to make sure to use her up the same way, Kris keeps reloading the save he made right before you use her up and you basically have to do it repeatedly very fast to make sure he can't save her
>>4101495Correct. The manliest queen.
>>4101495To tease Noelle, who's so aggressively feminine that she only plays Smash Bros in order to roleplay tea parties with the girl characters? THAT Noelle, who would very obviously want to be Queen to match her femininity? Because he's a boy, and boys like teasing and pranking girls they like?Yeah.
>>4101503>CH6, tenna's locked out of the mike room>"t-tell 'em noelle! tell em its normal for your loved ones to lock you out!"
>>4101508That could work as a theory.
>>4101502YesSometimes in a whimsical setting, something bad happening to someone does not carry the same consequences it would in the real worldThis is like...cartoon 101
>>4101508>pretending to be retardedEveryone knows is you Vesselfag. Go jerk off in front of a mirror or something.
Kris would choose to be a Queen just to mess with Noelle and make her mad
>>4101501>Kriselletard trying to act as if his kind aren't self-inserters and shipfags as well
What are some characters where as soon as a pic is posted of them it makes you reply with 'THE RAPED'?
>>4101517He'd also be a better queen cause he's just that much of a diva in comparison
>>4101514Despite everything?
>>4101479>doesn't seem to even care she gets locked out of her housenoelle never tells her, she just goes to someone elses house instead. before it was the dreemurr's and post "that day" catti's house. it was an excuse to hang out with kris before, and now it's an excuse to not be alone in a giant mansion (moms at work, dads in hospital, big sis is AWOL).
>>4101519That Green Dice Guy dude
>>4101518I don't ship but nice projection I guess
>>4101520>kris doing all kinds of glamorous poses in the queen outfit he threw together before the festival while noelle is struggling not to laugh because she's supposed to be a "stoic king" (according to kris)>he eventually does an exaggerated hip walk and she loses it.
>There are anons who think Aborted route Noelle would snowgrave her own mother Nothing will be different in aborted route ch 6 you dummies A Noelle is just a Noelle
>>4101511Oh Tooooooooby, they're rationalizing the festival thing! Make sure to add 3 new female characters who parallel a younger Kris~!
>>4101528You got it boss. The Guitar darkner will be a Kris parallel now.
>>4101489One last one to make sure you're well taken care of and there's no more risks of depression. https://files.catbox.moe/xb9fqf.gif
>>4101529>wont be a a dess parallel anymoreNoooooooooo
>>4101527Nobody thinks that. Castle Town, though? There's a huge chance Noelle, who has already killed some Darkners, might do it again to become stronger if her dad is dying.
>>4101529>>4101532It can be both and everyone can argue if Kriselle is meant to be incestuous.
>>4101533Castletown won't be massacred you schizo
>>4101495The gay Krisfags that like Kris to be a sissy are better than the self-inserters that pretend he's manly.
>>4101464The polls that are posted here are the only way i can think of to find this out and they usually get about 13 votes. Meaning these threads have about 10 more people than the average /v/ thread
>>4101535Why not?
>>4101527Not for the light world, she's didn't do anything extreme before the lake, and even she said that casting snowgrave was horrible but exciting, however a couple of darkners that no one gives a shit?I'm still expecting Noelle to only appear at the end because Toby doesn't want to deal making two scenarios lmao
>>4101519Da Mew
>>4101525>and have convinced themselves that the girl who pines specifically for Kris That sounds like shipping Kriselle.
>>4101516>He's so broken that just saying four words makes him fear his boogeyman and see the vessel everywhere
You just like the castletown idea because it fucks suselle up
>>4101529>>4101532reminds me, i once saw a guitar darkner concept that was pretty much>i dont want to be "good memories", i want to be ME.which is probably as good of a dess parallel as you'd get out of the guitar.someone so deadset on going their own way that they'll ignore their very nature for it.
>>4101545Personally I just want King to get out of prison and do something
>>4101519Battat, an UTY character, Blue (when complaining about him), Toby Fox/The annoying dog, Krusie or just Susie post Chapter 5, hatted Ralsei, Mike (realistic microphone). There's a lot of people that are the raped.
>>4101547The knight crashing castletown can do this in a way that isn't reliant on aborting the weird route
>>4101543Did it take you 20 minutes to come up with that reply? Cute
>>4101529>a new darknerYOU'RE NOT THE REAL TOBY!
>>4101519why, our very own krismas of course!
>>4101529>>4101532It can be both but honestly I don't think that guitar will be a darkner. Instead the angel doll in the hospital is now a Kris's parallel.
>>4101545OOOHHHH NO A CONFLICT IN AN ABORTED EVIL ROUTE? TOBERTMAN SAVE USEven that unused ch4 aborted ferris wheel has Noelle saying that if the dream was real, it would be awesome
>>4101541It's not, it's literally in the game. In spite of this I still argue she openly pursues Susie in the normal route because she does.
>>4101548i didnt see who you were responding too and thought you were calling battat an UTY character for a second>ey' boss. yous been seeming a bit non-canon lately>what.>well ya just seem like yous dont belong in the deltarune prophecy>and im standing RIGHT HERE, so it doesnt matter too much does it?>... suppose not.
>>4101550Unlike you, I can go outside and do stuff rather than count down the time it takes for my personal nemesis to reply.
>>4101532>>4101528>>4101553You guys can only think in character parallels because theorists are the least imaginative people in existence.
>>4101554Bitch would just get set on fire if she tried
>What if (character) killed everyone?Genocidefags trying to embarrass the UT fandom for a second time
>>4101557Then why are you still replying back to me, my "nemesis"?
>>4101560what if the annoying dog killed everyone.
>>4101559Just like how Ralsei used his fire spells on the Knight, my hero Ralsei
>>4101555Yet you're still complaining about Soulelle and not other Kriselle shippers who are literally the other side of the Krusie coin.
>>4101554People think Carol getting snow heaved can't possibly happen but entertain Noelle unprovoked massacring castletown (just ignore how she rejects your influence on aborted)Go figure
Certified Gem
>>4101565>dragonblazers ice shock on the boss in weird route dialogueNah no foreshadows possible
>>41014791) Noelle should have the key2) If Noelle lost it, she should go to Town Hall. They'll go home together at 7pm. If she keeps losing it, fuckin' weld her keychain on her pants with a chain or something.3) Not wanting to leave "spare keys" under the flower pot is completely reasonable. This is how you get murdered in your sleep.>why not leave it with your neighborsBecause her neighbor do stupid things like leaving their spare keys under welcome mat. This lackadaisical attitude clearly shows they are not yo be trusted with keys.
>>4101561It's funny seeing you sperging out over four words and I hope you see your boogeyman everytime anyone says these words, too.
>>4101565>rejectsWhat, she gets disappointed if the lake doesn't happen
Theorists believe that by guessing Toby's twists early, they will become God.
>>4101560Really do wonder what happened with Chapter 5 to break people in particular that they hate the idea of board 3 now, pre 3 and 4 nobody minded it. Is it just because it's harder to argue Noelle will be the one doing it?
>>4101569Ok, Nemmy. I don't really care but if it makes you happy to imagine me getting upset, then that's fine.
>>4101566the lore deepens...
>>4101574kekw
>>4101572We literally kill monsters on all three boards, schizo
>>4101570>>4101306
>>4101564I'm not going to make every post a bullet point list of everything that relates to the topic. I gave the general idea at the end that self inserters and shipfags are a problem, you can infer the rest from there rather than endlessly debating semantics.
>>4101573You clearly got upset that you immediately assumed that anyone who says she will be used up is a vesselfag though.
>>4101562Ok that would be based though
>>4101576Exactly, and nobody complained about the idea of you as Noelle killing everyone.
>>4101563You know it is kinda strange how Ralsei would rather plead with the Knight to no avail
Using ice shock on an ice boss? That'd be a strange thing to do.
>>4101560Embarass? Bitch Genocide gave Undertale the big views on the internet.
>>4101572They want Noelle to be their gentle demure waifu who can do no wrong
>>4101577But you can still make them ride if you vote them and even has that unused ferris wheel cutscene that most likely was for ch4 aborted
>>4101572the fact that the player character of the boards is always kris REALLY filters people, for some reason.same people probably think that kris is going to kill ralsei and susie at some point.
>>4101582Ralsei hopes to reform the Knight. He clearly knows something about the Knight, or he thought he knew back before ch5.
>>4101584Undertale is only popular because of MatPat.
CastleTown massacre is for...wait for it...7B! That's right, 7B gets ALLLLLL the cool stuff.
>>4101527>toby spent over a decade for ONE “alternative route” that only has a notable content at the very end with no deviationsT-thanks toby
>>4101587Susie and/or Ralsei being Weird Route boss was predicted all the way back in ch2. "The Judge".
>>4101590It won't be shown, there will be a fade to black and Gaster will talk to you over a black screen after one of the characters has already killed everyone. Did you rike it?
Noelle won't appear until the very end so Toby doesn't have to bother making two variants for ch6
>>4101589RIP MatPat. We'll always remember you.
I still find it funny how chapter 5 effectively nuked all the susiefags here. Sure there’s the rare psyoptruther or ralsustard but that’s about it
>>4101591>route that only has a notable content at the very end with no deviationsHaha that's our deltarune
>>4101593Nuh-uh you'll kill King and Queen and if you did a pacifist run you'll also kill Tenna and Jackenstein.
>>4101596Projecting
>>4101587It's funny because sword_hero is a faceless Kris that acts separated from Kris. Just like a certain character...
>HAHA MAYBE YOU'LL SEE HIM IN TWO YEARSI went back and beat UT sparing everyone but Papyrus because of that
>>4101596>>4101483
>>4101596It's almost like the "Susiefags" were just Krusiefags who don't really like her character
if 7B isn't just the canon version of pic related I'll demand a refund
>>4101602A faceless copy of Kris you say? Hmm, I wonder if there's any character like that...
>>4101602Sans?
Time to Snowgrave Carol
>>4101597It's kinda similar to Cave Story's "Best" Ending, you do a bunch of obscure shit with no differences, then at the very end you get exclusive levels, bosses and another ending cutscene.Calling it a Weird "Route" was a mistake, should have been "End B" or something.
>>4101612Egg / Issues route feels like a better candidate for that Weird route is evil energy and ERAM agenda
>>4101602At the end of Weird Route Kris will personally crawl out of your screen and swing sword at you IRL.
>>4101602Mike..
>>4101606yeahpeople were already starting to turn on susie after ch4 because she got all gas and zero flak since ch1at least noellesisters are aware of her flaws and love her anyways
>>4101614I think you need only one egg. Lancer foreshadows it.
>>4101602>facelessOhhh, ERAM right rightAll my coins on ERAM
>>4101317Can we just skip Noelle and get Carol into our party instead? Might be an easier way to move the plot forward to be honest.
>>4101615At the end of Side B the Vessel will crawl out of the screen and
>>4101596I mean personally I’m mainly frustrated with Susie’s sudden shift in behavior such as seemingly no longer caring about the prophecy or not questioning Ralsei’s sudden fire magic. Is she being brainwashed by the prophecy, is she secretly stressed out and coping with dark world escapism, is she stupid? Who knows because the chapter doesn’t explain it because who needs clear character motivations am I right?
but why would there be a genocide? what's your endgame?
say ONE positive thing about suselle
>>4101626Because I can, and because I can, I must.
>>4101627it highlights the flaws of toby's writing.
>>4101515Then why doesn't Susie forgive Toriel for being a drunkard who dances with Sans? That's not very whimsical.It's almost like actions have consequences or something...
>>4101627It will be short-lived
>>4101626Something something it's a sim and they're the only non-NPCs
>>4101624She think he got it by levelling-up this chapter, similar to her Scythemare. It's understandable why he wouldn't use it in the very flammable garden.
>>4101627I am scared to4channers will do horrible things to me if I do
>>4101483Not an ex Susiefag, but her personality flips from chapter to chapter. Even if you liked her in ch1, she's just buff Ralsei by ch4 and on.
>>4101566It was actually pretty funny
>>4101631Semanticfags in charge of acknowledging the word "sometimes"
>>4101635Anon, no one is going to sodomize you with a knife or force you to eat your own arms if you do, I promise.
>>4101627It makes Kris miserable
>"One ending">Actually a cluster fuck of alt routes based on key items and actions done from ch 1-5 affecting the way ch 6-7 play outWtf
>>4101624Why do people only remember the very last second of Susie in ch4 and not all the way into it when she was hyped as fuck about the prophesy? That didn't change just because she saw some bad thing and had to cope with "nah I'd win" because Gerson told her she can. She's still a prophesybot because it's her strongest ally, it's an eternal reminder that she is worth something in this life, it's her ticket to friendship, heroism, normalcy and love - all for free.
>>4101631>Then why doesn't Susie forgive Toriel for being a drunkard who dances with Sanswhy would toriel forgive susie for that? toriel doesn't owe her shit, if anyone it's kris she should apologize too for being a shitty mom.
>>4101639Okay I think they look good together whe
>>4101596Gotta say, Susie just lacked nice scenes to balance the moments she was ''''ass'''' with Kris caused by KrisYou don't really see people complaining with Noelle because even when was also mean to Kris, us Doefiends got the entire lake scene
>>4101644Fatass cat.
>>4101627it's an excuse to get noelle involved
>>4101596Susie's an annoying character to enjoy because the fandom unironically treats her as a mary sue even more than the story itselfSusie's the TRUE main character, Susie will shit all over the prophecy, Susie will kill god and save the world with the power of lesbiansm, Susie will beat up the player for being a meanie parasite inside Kris, Susie is a beautiful cutie patootie never wrong about anything, etc.
>>4101645Some might've forgotten the "Noelle is a bad friend" thing from 3+4 days, but I remember and I think 5 solidified it. Wouldn't really hurt her to not support treating Kris being a third wheel.
>>4101645Why's her face so red? Looks like she got a sudden urge to fart mid-sentence and is fighting for her life to hold it in.
>>4101642Because that last second recontextualized the awesome prophecy as a doomed story where she is one of the actors in its tragic final act, if not the victim herself. I think Susie trying to ignore everything by itself is fine even if it wasn't what I was expecting after she smashed that panel, but she acts so strange and ooc that I just don't know if this is intentional mastermind writing or atrocious shit
>>4101626They cockblocked my date with the catgirl
>>4101636I honestly believe that Toby just has no idea what to do with Susie’s character after chapter 1 since her main arc was mostly complete in that. Sure he could’ve showed that Susie didn’t completely abandon her more violent tendencies and had her continue growing from that but the fanbase had already fallen in love with her so instead Toby just played into that by turning her instead into a retard with a heart of gold and giving her random “mini arcs” such as suddenly having insecurity issues in ch4
>>4101649they aren't close tho it was FORCED. . . .
>>4101643Eat some eggs
>>4101649Kris truly has no one on his side. Susie's a bad friend, Noelle's a bad friend, Ralsei will favor Susie over Kris when the betrayal confrontation happens because Susie is the narrative's darling girl and the HERO merchandise was a misdirect ("that's what HERO_SCARF would do, not Ralsei, idiot"), everyone else is scared off by his proximity to Susie.Wwe can't even be sure if Knight is a true ally because their circumstances together are so riddled in vaguepost that we don't know if it's genuine camaraderie or if Knight coerced Kris into the partnership.If only this faggot would actually communicate with us and try to learn our angle, maybe we'd finally fix that friendless problem.
>>4101626Ask Toby. What was the point of the Genocide Route in Undertale? Everyone is expecting Toby to do something similar with Deltarune
>>4101627It outed the people who seethe about it as not having been real UT/DR fans from the start
>>4101656drink your milk
Another day of looking at the thread and seeing that people have made 800 fucking posts in reply with that Suselle schizo who just "nuh-uhs" every time you say anything. I get that calling him a huge fag is fun but surely you get a little tired of it right...?
>>4101645people were giving noelle a lot of shit after ch4's 'forced' scenech5 completely rectified it, but there was a good while where a huge amount of people disliked noelle
>>4101641>cluster fuck>2, maybe 3 endings if we're lucky>potential minor differences depending on shadow crystals for at least one of the endingsOk.
>>4100230I'm dooming
>>4101661>but surely you get a little tired of it right...?_______________Nuh-uh_______________________
>>4101649Kris ignored her for years, Kris is the bad friend.
>>4101661There's nothing else to do. We're still making the same theories we've been making since Chapter 2 because we've fundamentally learned nothing new since then aside from "actually everything we thought about FRIEND is more likely attributed to a new being known as ERAM, but we don't even know what ERAM actually looks like".
>>4101664sjelter? i hardly know her!
>>4101664>Rudy Knight OUT OF NOWHERE
>>4101663>Eggs (1-4 vs all 5)>Black shards (4 possible combos)>How aborted the WR is (2 abort, 4 abort, 5 abort)>Castletown status
>>4101652What can Susie do? Hyperfocus on the prophecy doing a bunch of psychotic shit vaguely related to preventing the final prophecy? Until it happens there's no point in preventing it
>>4101295I believe chapter 6 will be the shelter since 7 will be the house hold. What does that make me?
>>4101674Retarted.
>>4101670Kneelhttps://youtu.be/rDZaUjEzDWo
>>4101668>New being Aren't they the one who pulled us to Kris from the vessel and talked in the mantle board game
>>4101676Rudy Knight is cool but I prefer Carol Knight.
>>4101607I feel like Chapter 7 will have a worse reception here than 5 had.
>>4101313Counter point. The bit shelter makes a 6.
>>4101676>no 67 minute long yap session to gain ad revenue>just 40 seconds of raw as fuck editingim still on team alphys knight but i must respect the kino here
>>4101626Power to make Deltarune yours.
>>4101680Ch 7 better have a cool endboss at least
>>4101664>The seeds that Flowery left on the knight mean nothingIf its setup for chapter 7 that's fine.
>>4101607Lmao, can you even refund a game you bought almost a decade ago?
>>4101650She was thirsty for lake water
>>4101673Yes, do what she's been doing already and break the rules where she can instead of being lobotomized to wear ribbons and fall completely for Noelle. Susie wanting to do those things while knowing it's what the prophecy expects would still have been more interesting than her giving up entirely without any doubt or second thoughts at all to let the prophecy programming settle in.
>>4101654a mini arc is fine but it should playing with the fact she used to be an outcast. like she went from being a bully nobody hung out with to having friends, a girlfriend, and a hero of a legend. Kris is feeling a little left out right now so it'd be nice if she could extend a hand to him before he actually gets left behind
When was the last time you thought the game wouldn't suck?
>>4101677Unconfirmed. We still don't know who Discarding Voice is.
>>4101672Minor differences added to existing endings
>>4101661Are the Suselle posts in the room right now?
>>4101690Today
>>4101676there is no more compelling piece of evidence for the knight as pianpianhttps://deltarune.com/kris_dreemurr_kris/https://youtu.be/JYq9ikvI7LI?t=104
>>4101682>alphys knight
>>4101689Kris wants to be left behind and Susie is too distracted by mattering for positive reasons for the first time in her life.
>>4101688Susie doesn't hate the entire prophecy. The prophecy made her a hero and gave her a girlfriend. She only hates that one part at the end and by the looks of it, she couldn't imagine any of the nice things could possibly have this end result, she even says it sounds stupid because none of them would ever let "that" happen. If the final prophecy is "The girl decapitates the cage with her big ass axe" what would wearing a ribbon or not change about that?
>>4101685The seeds on the Knight are one of the few things that I'm fine with being stray pixels. I can only imagine a worst case scenario where Flowery sprouts out of the Knight during a serious moment, completely ruining the mood and single-handedly beats the Knight in the most boring scene possible that all the normies will eat up because isn't Flowery just so cool and hopeful??
>>4101697nta but alphys knight is an old ch2 theory in which alphys is one of the select few characters who would not be out of place at all the known fountain locations this also remains true for the ch4 and 5 fountains, as she's seen at the church day of with an excuse and is known friends with asgore
>>4101696i don't get it
I can't wait for Kris ''Betrayal'' ARC just for Susie to forgive him less than 5 minutes in!
>>4101700levity would be nicedo people really expect the remaining chapters to be super uber srs bizniz? that ain't toby's style
>>4101672>Black shardsChanges the end fate the said character who gets it but not the overall ending >Aborted WRAffects Noelle in ch 6 but no impact on 7A>Eggs Optional ERAM/Vessel boss in ch 7 and friend infested final chapters>Castletown statusNo idea, may matter for ch 7
>>4101702noelle laments how kris used to come over and play piano but doesn't anymore (with pianpian as the example)the fountain door in the dark sanctuary is implied to have been locked by the knight when the fountain door is unlocked, pianpian is playing only two characters have a connection with that song: kris, the one playing it, and noelle, the one listening a concert just for her
Honey they're mixing up the 2 types of magic glass again
>>4101703i expect it to be a somewhat more charged version of susie vs lancer in ch1
>>4101657I think the Knight is just an ally by circumstances for Kris. If at all, maybe Kris is trying to just utilize it for his own goals as much as he can.>>4101667That's true, Noelle probably needed a good pal all these years and even now she wants to see Kris be nice to her.
>>4101708did toby really have to call them shadow crystals and black shards, both of which are described as being glass like?doesn't help that there are multiples of each now
>>4101667>>4101710kris didn't outright ignore her, they still had a fair share of interactions that are established in ch1, like helping with homework, lending pencils, and helping noelle break into her housethey're just nowhere near as close as they used to be, as kris is deliberately keeping herself at arms length away from noelle, for whatever reason
>>4101703This is the one thing I couldn't forgive. Even more than Kriselle becoming a thing or knowing what happens in 7B, I want Susie to get genuinely mad at Kris. I want some sweet, sweet angst between them. I want Susie to kill Kris and see Noelle despair after losing both her dad and Kris on the same day. I want Kris to load a previous save file and beat Susie. I want their friendship to completely break.
>>4101672*all 6. You forgot Temmie's egg.
ERAM give me my fucking vessel back
>>4101704Bursting into a funeral with confetti and party favors isnt "levity", levity comes when the seriousness starts to cool down not when its at a fever pitch
>>4101699If she's already going against small parts of the prophecy, they might have a chance of going against the big one that she loathes. She doesn't hate the whole thing and she can have her hero status and girlfriend, but that doesn't mean she has to start following it either, which is what her wearing the ribbons is. We don't see any internal conflict over how letting these things happen, even if they make her happy, is bringing the final prophecy closer and closer. She's just blindly hoping the tragedy won't come to pass while doing exactly what the prophecy says, and I don't know if the game wants to acknowledge that this is what she's doing or if Susie becoming complacent is just a way to let those prophecy events happen instead of a natural product of Susie wanting to continue ignoring everything while still having the tragedy on her mind. If Chapter 6 handles this I'll eat my hat, but in 5 she's so flanderized it takes me out of the story.
>>4101710>>4101715Susie is closer to Noelle than Kris in the normal route.
>>4101703>>4101709>>4101716Susie is sensible enough to understand that Kris has good intentions and will assume Ralsei knowing but not saying anything means he understands the same, so there won't even be any tension over it. She won't even be mad that Ralsei hid info again.
>>4101718You need the 6 eggs full of protein first
>>4101704Okay Blue.
>>4101718>ERAM gives you your vessel back>it's dead>(Worthless Meat was added to your KEY ITEMS)
>>4101718Both versions of 7. Trust the process.
>>4101722Right, because Toby calling this chapter tragic and unhappy totally sounds like the setup for a wholesome Susie forgiveness arc.
>>4101720Again: the final prophecy is something so absurd and out of characer it's shocking. The final prophecy doesn't look like a believable consequence of their actions and not something they would ever do, which is why she was in denial at the end of chapter 4. Susie could not possibly imagine "holy shit, if I put on this ribbon that means I'm getting closer and closer to fucking KILLING Kris!" is a believable outcome. So I don't see how desiring these micro rebellions against the prophecy would be so important to her characterization.You have to also remember the prophecy isn't a script with actors, it's written fate. Susie gets to wear the ribbon because she finally feels comfortable enough to ask to wear one by chapter 5, not because the prophecy said so.
Where the hell would an ERAM possessed Vessel fight even happen
What's with the guy who keeps crying about how Kris is chungus and a hero lately."Yeah he obviously has a heroic soul and he protects Susie from danger."Motherfucker he MADE the fountains. Susie wouldn't be in danger if he didn't manufacture the scenario where she went into fountains with him.The most obvious interpretation of Kris is he's a bad kid who's trying his hardest to do something good in his life and going about it in the most evil way possible.
>>4100626>>4100677>>4100771It's funny how we've been getting Gaster related stuff since chapter 3. In fact, chapter 2 is the only chapter where we didn't get anything Gaster related, aside from garbage noise text from one of Spamton's friends>Chapter 1Vessel creation>Chapter 3Talking to us when fighting the Knight>Chapter 4MY DELTARUNE>Chapter 5Normal_NPC, Happy Town and Insert Chapter 7BI don't know how will Toby keep up. Maybe add an NPC that will block the lake at the aborted route? Probably Sans himself
>>4101731kris is a chungus, but not a heroat best kris is doing this out of a feeling of obligation due to the vague promise
>>4101729>i hate the final prophecy but would never ever do anything to subvert itthis bit of noelle's weird route monologue is about susie.
>>4101731he's not a bad kid, just mischievous at worstneither he nor the knight want to hurt anybody
>>4101731Probably yet another Kris self-inserter, they really like Kris being an absolutely good guy than a morally gray fake hero.
>>4101728Oh she will be mad, for a moment because people that play the piano that way can't be evil, Ralsei said so
>>4101736No. At least not just Susie, but the whole town.
>>4101697>>4101701most recent info ive come across is that the dark world the knight creates in chapter 5 is a slightly different color, similar to the one susie makes in chapter 4. reptiles have a different type of color vision than humans.
>>4101740when she was saying it, yeah no shit she's saying it about the whole town.but its meant to reflect susie and how she's speeding towards the final prophecy without even thinking about how it can hit that point.
>>4101731Who said that lolAlso the prophecy said that the cage is a hero, i trust the prophecy
>>4101728The only tragedy will happen at the end
>>4101731Kris' situation is unique in the whole game. Nobody else has seen traumatic events, an otherworldly person driving your body and repressed memories of some guy and a tree between the gaps in the game's programming all at the same time. Kris is very much a character whose actions are beyond comprehension to anyone else
>>4101686Even worse. Counting for inflation, you lost ten times more than what you initially paid. Your loss, though.
>>4101731>going about it in the most evil way possible.Or he's being pragmatic and trying to subvert some tragic end that doing things normally leads to. If you don't think Kris is a hero at heart, you seriously haven't paid attention beyond maybe a casual normal route playthrough and the ch1 ending stinger etched in your mind.
>>4101736People taking weird route Noelle at face value will really not handle the next chapters.
>>4101746>from Chapter 6 onward, there will be no more wacky silly adventuresNah, the whole chapter will be misery porn, and I am more than happy for it. I'm tired of all this gay parade.I want some serious stuff.
>>4101751I guess all the wr dialogue was just for funsies
>>4101659Extreme tranny post.
>>4101756Don't label your posts.
>>4101750>doing things normallywhat would be "doing things normally"he refuses to make it known why he's doing things to begin with
>>4101755anon there was an entire chapter telling you to read between the lines and not take shit at face value
>>4101751Elaborate
>>4101730Inside dragon quest 7
>>4101755The character having a mental breakdown isn't the best source of information.
>>4101753It's nice that you think so but until I see proof, the game sucks.
>>4101761I can theorize all day but ultimately we won't know for a few years. My broad guess is they stopped the roaring, someone important to Kris died at the end, so he went back to the beginning and started some convoluted plan based on how he knew things would play out.
>>4101731Kris is just Homura trying to save Madoka (Noelle) no matter who has to get hurt along the way (Susie)
>>4101763Noelle’s monologue in the weird route shouldn't be taken as the pillar of truth that people treat it currently because Noelle is breaking down and tranced by the ring when saying it. It's not supposed to show off Noelle actually hates Susie.
Why is Susie's healing spell in chapter 5 just called "Heal"First of all she's an atheist compared to Noelle and Ralsei who get Heal PrayerBut couldn't it have been called something cooler? Mean Heal, Awesome Heal, anything
Deltarune's story twist is not about The End, it's about what happens after the end. Thinking about it thematically, it must be an unconventional concept which is why Toby was so inspired to write this dream ever since. What is this story all about? A Prophecy told in time and space so powerful, so unchanging, it even exists in a parallel universe. Gerson speaks about the youth picking up the pen of hope, to write anew. Susie straight up says: she wants a story that doesn't end. GASTER says he wants to write a new future with you. Chapter 5 further provides where Flowery's whole deal was fighting for his hopes and dreams despite being doomed to be defeated, maybe the heroes can find hope despite their path. So what's the deal? Certainly Toby didn't write this unbreakable fate just to break it conventionally, no. The Legend of Delta Rune will come to pass, including its tragedy. But there's something more important than reaching the end, it's going beyond it. A world can live forever as long as new stories are written about it. Hence, the game's big meta moment will be about playing *beyond* the supposed ending and the heroes will fight through some crazy bullshit to create the conditions where they can look at YOU and say: what happens next? In a way, the meaning of the game was told spiritually in the 10th anniversary stream.>inb4 "but that's BULLSHIT! The ending is literally "up to the player's interpretation" to the max?Yeah, but Toby is confident he found a cool way to write this
>>4101762When she said that she likes to cast snowgrave but feels guilty, i don't think there's a deeper meaning to that>>4101766She is the reason why we get to 7B THO, i trust her
>>4101772noelle is having a manic episode, not a breakdownthe breakdown is on the aborted route, but she's able to mask it because she's been doing it for years at that point
>>4101750Shut up faggot. Don't be passive aggressive and discard this as some "GENOSLIDES" bullshit because your pansy ass heart can't take it.If I wanted me to bring up "extra content" then I could just bring up Mantle like everyone always does and the infamous "You liked it when you made Noelle kill Berdly."If Kris was truly a hero, he wouldn't like it even one bit. But he did.
>>4101772Trance means the opposite of what you would think.>Queen on the Weird Route says that Noelle has woken up too much and needs to go back to sleepThe Werewires and Werewerewires represent Pacified Noelle and True Noelle (which is weird Noelle) respectivelyMeanwhile the TranceDown on the TwistedSword would put Kris to sleep, letting us do whatever we wanted as her without needing the Vessel
>>4101775>"read between the lines means that if every line doesnt have hidden meaning none of them do!!"wow you're retarded.
>>4101773Shut up Susie, this is what you sound like>Why is it calling you a "cage"?>Shouldn't you be something more like>"The cool"?Susie ass mindset
>>4101771Pretty apt comparison
>>4101782Exactly my point, why wouldn't Susie name her own spell something edgy and cool? She did it before with stuff like UltimateHeal
>>4101778Kris might be edgy but he's also a hero, it's not mutually exclusive
>>4101772>tranced by the ringHoly fucking retard, kys. Noelle sees things more clearly than ever before in Chapter 5 WR.
>>4101780Okay smart sister, i'm gonna use the one she calls everyone npcs from the previous post, even if she didn't mean it, in the end she still wanted to fuck off from hometown
>>4101751>Noelle straight up admits that she has a massive mental illness and Kris's actions have snapped her out of her depression>Basically has a manic episode and does what every suicidal person does when they have a manic episode: tries to kill herselfI don't know why people are so eager to just discard Noelle's speech as derangement or manufactured in some way. The only sign of this is her obsession specifically with Kris. But everything besides her focal point on Kris as her "tool" to get out of her current situation isn't really insane. >>4101762Anon Noelle being a happy, passive person who is just a shy and submissive little bean is the face-value. The aborted route having her constantly repeating "NOTHING CHANGED" over the normal route scene is where you should be reading between the lines.>>4101766>A character dumping everything out emotionally isn't the best source of information on how they feelAll in all you guys kind of suck at arguing. Or just thinking in general.
>>4101758I didn't. I labelled yours. That's what the handy dandy reply function is for.
>>4101774He also jokingly (but was it really?) said that if MOTHER 3 got localized, everyone would know how unoriginal he is.MOTHER 3 also ends on a seemingly tragic but ambiguous ending, leaving just enough of a hopeful curtain call for you to interpret that everything actually turned out fine.
Dragon quest 7 would have done a better weird route
"mentally ill people shouldn't have their delusions encouraged (see: being trans)" motherfuckers really see WR Noelle and go "Yesss sister that's who you really are, so proud of you!!"
>It is with heavy hearts that we announce Toby Fox’s passing yesterday. While riding his bicycle a pigeon pooped directly into his right eye, causing him to lose control and collide with an oncoming combine harvester. His body was instantly processed into ground beef and subsequently devoured by a clowder of local cats. Out of respect for his legacy Deltarune will remain permanently unfinished. >Thank you for all the years of support. Cheers and Happy Christmas to you all!what would be your reaction to this news?
>>4101785I guess since Susie slowly took her healing more seriously. It went from "Ultimate" to "Ultra" to just being "Ok." before Kris bleeding and stuff made her fully realize her healing isn't too impressive. Now despite it being improved she's just being modest about it
>>4101772>actually that's not the REAL noelleno wonder some of you want to see her die so badly if this is how you see her character lmao
>>4101796>(see: being trans)Talk about obsessed
>>4101786Yes, murdering somebody for ostensibly no reason IS mutually exclusive with being called a good guy, dumbass.
>>4101797Finally free from this curse of endless debate and theoryfagging.>inb4 people think Toby dying is part of the game's development and 6+7 are definitely still coming out
>>4101772The lake monologue is a glimpse into Noelle's traumatized psyche, but that's not the actual her, that's Noelle in a manic episode that her beloved Kris changed, is changing her, and now she wants to change her whole life by doing something crazy.The real Noelle is someone we still don't know, and we'll likely only see her during Chapter 7 on the best route, where through hopes and dreams and memes Dess comes back completely normal and healthy, which means Noelle can finally start healing from her trauma because now Hometown will start being different again since her cool older sister who always made sure things were interesting is there to keep things varied once again.
>>4101797temmie sama will complete the mission
Noelle will be used up to make a path for HOMETOWN MASSACRE so it doesn't matter what she thinks
>>4101802Killing Berdly gives you good karma no matter who does it
>>4101803No, debates and theories will still exist, and people will go out of their way to harass associates like Temmie, Hiimdaisy and anyone else who saw Deltarune's script to force them to cough up the details.
>>4101796Being so worked you gotta pull out the "y- you're a tranny!!!" card is pretty funny.
>>4101804>Noelle was written wrong on purpose and will secretly be written well laterHoly shit
dragon quest 7 did trans rights so much better
>trans rightsAh, so it's a comedy game.
>>4101810>her name is wimp-doe, we wrote her dialouge wrong on purpose. as a joke!
>>4101810No? She was written correctly, but that's not how Noelle normally behaves. At NO point have we seen how Noelle normally behaves because she's either dissociating, stuck in people-pleasing mode, stuck in nostalgic yearning, overwhelmed by lust, having a manic episode, or some combination of the above.
>>4101779>>4101787The trance effect is what allows Noelle to actually have enough tension to cast Snowgrave and hurts her in her every waking moment. It dulls her senses and allows her to do things she normally wouldn't. It doesn't make her see things clearly at all.
>>4101797>Insane murder fantasiesKriselleSHITTERS...
>>4101812>spends most of its time being memes>main character ignores most big happenings after they're over and is pretty much always in a good mood>magic black man tells you to your face it's a comedy>theorists: "Wait so you're telling me this wasn't grimdark chungucide meat factory and I played a silly game interspersed with a few moments of drama?"
>>4101816>murder fantasiesWho is the murder here, the pigeon? Will it get arrested?
>>4101800It's a part of Noelle that shows off when we manipulate her to do a lot of evil stuff, but not her normal self. Noelle herself says she doesn't want to be a Noelle anymore, even in her mania she recognizes she isn't being herself and that's why she enjoys it.
>>4101815I would agree with you if we were still in ch2 era because it looks like she blacks out, but we have dialogue saying that she actually remember you're king of snowgraves and gets curious about it
>>4101804>It's not actually herIt couldn't be anybody but her.Ever since chapter 2, there's been this intense desire by people who are emotionally uncomfortable about it to refuse to believe Noelle could have her own autonomy. Her own thoughts and feelings.It's kind of bizarre, and while it reinforces the meaning of the scene- I don't think Toby meant for tranny brigade squads to be constantly trying to censor it with "Noelle is just under control she's just being manipulated she's not thinking right she's brainwashed".I think it really takes away from what you're even trying to say to simply fold things up a third time and say, "Actually we will still have more reveals about her mental state.">The real Noelle can only be seen/Noelle can only grow as a person if we make everything the way it used to beThat's called regressing."If we just reset everything back to the womb then she'll have the room to live a better life." Or it'll just make her worse after years of living like this and giving her a binkie and a fucking blankie and thinking that's all she still needs.
>>4101823She lacks the will to independently grow a spine and make a new Noelle she likes, she needs someone else to do it for her, which means she's in people-pleasing mode when she's character developing, which is not a good thing.There's quite literally no way to help her heal from her trauma except for bringing back Dess unless Noelle, too, "leaves" Hometown, never to be seen again, leaving her fate wholly ambiguous on whether she went somewhere quiet to kill herself, or miraculously found the life path in the wider world that allows her to become her own better self without being heavily influenced by the conditions of her environment (lust for Susie, yearning for Kris, desperate efforts to earn Carol's approval, keeping in line with what Hometown at large "expects" of Noelle, etc.).
>>4101823reminder that even before getting the thorn ring, noelle does not take issue with killing darknersher only issue is stealing from the addison, not because it's wrong, but because 'she couldn't do it'
>>4101822The Chapter 4 dialogue is unused about it and she's only actually grateful about it in 5 when the thorn is again in her finger, in aborted 4 she straight up doesn't like Kris ordering her around.
>>4101790>Anon Noelle being a happy, passive person who is just a shy and submissive little bean is the face-valuewhere the hell did i imply that noelle was a "happy, passive person"are you hallucinating posts?
The nice thing about a Hometown massacre is the monsters have no bowels to void and their dust blows away in the wind when they're dead, so it's a very clean experience.
>>4101828No, there's also the couch in 4, even when Kris told her to forget about it, she still invited him to her room to talk about it alone
>>4101828>in aborted 4 she straight up doesn't like Kris ordering her around.That only happens if you said "Noelle will ride with me"
>>4101835Yeah, because she liked Kris finally actually talking with her, unrelated to what happened.
>>4101830Christ, talking with low IQ autists is exhausting.Like I said, you're just very bad at thinking.If you're saying that everything Noelle says in her breakdown is false or affected by some information that we don't know, then there still has to be some truth to reflect this lie.But I used the example of the aborted route only reinforcing that this is how Noelle thinks- even on the normal route- to insist that these are her true, unaltered feelings. And that her "normal self" is the mask, so you can't use "nothing she's saying is true" as a simple handwave.
Nobody itt understands the characters or events in this game.
>>4101845>everything Noelle says in her breakdown is false????where the hell did i say THAT?
>>4101851I do, in fact I am the only one who understand everything. GOD I am so great.
>>4101854>Bro we just had a chapter about reading in between the linesFollowing another anon's reply to>People who take Noelle's rant at face value are in for a rude awakeningDo you just not know what words mean?Not taking things at face value means you think they're false, dumbass. What did you think it meant?
>>4101851No character stays consistent for two chapters.
>>4101851Yeah, no one understands in general except Toby. And it'll remain that way forever, because even after 7 and 7B, there will be vital aspects to characters and narrative that simply won't ever be told to us, even if they're critical to understanding anything, because he wants the vagueposting and speculation to live forever.
>>4101851I knew since ch2 era that Noelle wasn't actually being fully manipulated and that she might like it, i'm smart
>>4101851then the author failed to make the character's understandable we're 5/7 of the way in and if the characters are still impossible to properly read, that's a problem of the writing, not the audience
>>4101851We might have the issue where overly discussing the same things over and over makes people prone to saying nonsense
>>4101825If a therapist suggests "just bring your dead dog back to life" to somebody who's traumatized over their dog dying, they're a bad therapist.I don't think there's any benefit at all to Dess coming back or even being confirmed dead with Noelle in the state that she's in. And hell, it might make her worse. When her idealized version of Dess conflicts with whatever the fuck happened to her.And don't think I don't notice you just chose to not reply to anything and just babble a bunch of nonsense.
>>4101861Okay smart guy, spoil me the end of the WR.
>>4101843Sure, that was also a big part, but she wanted to ask something else>Kris there was something else you did>Something else i have to ask you about>You pull a thorn out of my fingerShe was about to ask about the thorn
>>4101867uhhgenoslides 2: hometown massacre edition she was used up! (you) were used up!then the world fell into darkness, the end
>>4101865This isn't real life, Deltarune is an inherently whimsical and magical setting where magic bullshit can happen.The LITERAL REASON SHE'S TRAUMATIZED is magic bullshit. It's not too far off to say that one of the only ways to help her heal short of "leave Hometown and find extremely reliable new friends in the wider world until she completely forgets her entire childhood and life in Hometown prior because every last ounce of it is tainted by THAT HORRIBLE DAY" is to bring back Dess, who she LITERALLY cannot stop obsessing over, and even if everything else got better, she'd still be broken over Dess's absence..
>>4101864This. Like over a thousand posts each day between a handful of people for a 40 hour unfinished game.
>>4101871Yeah, now you're starting to break down the barriers of bias and preconceived notions and understand what Toby is trying to get out of the game.Maybe keep trying to think about that and not "IT'S JUST A GAME NOTHING MATTERS ANYWAYS" while still arguing and getting mad about it. Rape victim.
>>4101858this whole conversation started because this retard >>4101755 (you, probably) took this post >>4101751 (not me) at face value and couldnt intuit that he meant not to take EVERYTHING at face value instead of "dont take the speech seriously at all it meant nothing"never call someone a dumbass again.
>>4101874Last time we took someone at face value, between Ice Wolf and THE LITERAL PROPHECY ITSELF, we were lied to about who the Flower Man was.
>>4101868She was glad Kris pulled the thorn out, yes.
>>4101867Damn you got me, 5 ending is too vague!In ch2 i knew people were wrong because muh evil player without thinking any deeper, but for 7 is hard to sayMy best bet is that kriselle knight theory but they don't become the knight, instead they do a Chara and Asriel suicide pact and become one
>>4101410>what did carol do to seem evil?she got in the way of xe dykes ship so the utdr fandom will forever demonize carol even if revealed to be good
Everyone itt understands the characters and events in this game.
>>4101882Thanks, MEDragon Quest 7 teached me how to understand characters and events
>>4101816>Insane murder fantasiesYep, that's our vesselfags!
>>4101874That first post was me and i left that conversation long ago kekw, seems everyone took my post at face value
>>4101874>(you, probably)No.And I don't see any real space to give you or that other guy in this.You don't get a gold star or extra little bonus points for, "I was just SAYING that you should think it's a LITTLE fake!" This isn't me being obtuse and refusing to consider possibilities. It's you being unable to communicate and trying to worm out of it because you actually meant something you didn't say.I'm still taking the stance of it being a truthful and genuine moment without obfuscation, and I think you're gay.>>4101875Oh.So actually this is all because the prophecy is interpretive and you think that means everything has some other side of the coin thing or it's all one big fake out.I dunno man I think this just means you're kind of dumb.
>>4101885We love Toby and the game though.
>>4101479>you're le heckin' evil for being a parent struggling emotionally with the loss of your dear daughter while trying to keep your child well-fed and the hometown residents happy while your lover is dying from super cancer and not having enough free time to hang out with your daughter properlyif carol was a man, people would be calling male carol a brave man doing whatever he can for his family
>>4101887If the game is willing to lie to you once, it's willing to lie to you an infinite amount of times until it's over. You can no longer trust anything until the credits roll on all routes.
>>4101888That is exactly what a liar (You) would say!
>>4101887>hurdurf im a mcfucking retardok, anon. lets get you back inside so that you stop scaring the normal people.
what do you think chapter 6's gimmick will be?
>>4101876>how... the voice from my dreamcum on
>>4101894Lockpicking/hacking minigame
>>4101894First person shooter with fake 3D
>>4101883Good morning, sir.
>>4101890Sure.But what this doesn't mean is "this chapter taught us to not take everything at face value". At best it means that "the girl" in the prophecy could be replaced by someone literally named "the girl" because fuck everything.>>4101892Too late to steal the real guy's reply award.
>>4101894smash-lite (not like) fighting game
>>4101899>But what this doesn't mean is "this chapter taught us to not take everything at face value". At best it means that "the girl" in the prophecy could be replaced by someone literally named "the girl" because fuck everything.And how do you know this? Are you Toby Fox or one of his associates? You can't say something like that with complete certainty unless you already know the game's full bag of narrative threads and tricks from start to finish.
>>4101889it's nuts how people will give the failure of a shitty single mom toriel every excuse imaginable but carol carrying a missing daughter, a dying husband and the entire fucking town on her back is le evil because noelle needs an excuse to hang out at catti's. i guess thats just the power of fat goat tits.
>>4101881>the year is 2030>after three years of development, CH7 released>carol has been completely vindicated and it turns out that no matter the route susie ends up doing several unforgiveable things in an attempt to keep her dark world fantasy going.>"yeah but like... carol's just icky. susie wouldnt have done that if carol gave her a chance!"we all know its coming.
>>4101902Hmm? I don't really know what you're going for with "we can't know anything for sure". Kind of just losing my interest.
>>4101903Toriel has over a decade of attachment due to having been around since the Undertale Kickstarter demo, it's hard for people to get mad at a character they've loved for so long.Carol, comparatively, was an enigma up until Chapter 3+4, and her debut is literally her entering with ominous music, a timed arrival with an ominous phone call Kris made, and her being antagonistic towards Susie during what was basically her first date with Noelle. Of course the cunts are gonna be harsh on her, she was literally designed to be hated.
>>4101888If you loved the game you wouldn't be craving for boring ass Genoslides 2 so you can pulverize Toby's sweet chocolats. Tsk tsk..
WR Noelle sees the truth as she breaks free from the shackles of the prophecy. Suselle is forced by the prophecy, which is why Noelle is seething during the Suselle lake scene. She doesn't want this relationship.
>>4101618if you dont have an egg, IMAGE_FRIEND/Eram will kill kris and you play as the vessel insteadif you have between 1-4 eggs, IMAGE_FRIEND/Eram will rip kris' arm off and you can choose to leave kris to bleed out for the vessel or save krisif you have all eggs, kris will be perfectly fine and you can pick between using the vessel or sticking with kris without any bad consequences
>>4101903everybody turned against toriel tho, at least on 4chan
>>4101909You're expecting too much again. Why would the game that can't commit to doing anything with Berdly despite being one of the characters who's most impacted by your actions suddenly commit to something as serious as that?
Sooooooooo uhWhy ''stronger''?
>>4101642>"woaj the prophecy is soo cool">...>"what the fuck is that ending!? oh god... what a tragedy...">"oh well, time to have fun with the rest of the prophecy instead i guess!">...>"you mean that fulfilling the entire prophecy by letter is gonna lead to the bad ending happening!? how could this be!?"
>>4101911maybe because berdly was never supposed to be a major character, purely a side character that got dragged into it and died as a result?
>>4101915If the game can't even treat its side characters with respect when you have the means to influence their lives, it's not gonna do anything big with its actual main characters without an entire dedicated route to it.
>>4101912Strenght could be the key to avoid the end of the prophecy
>>4101649>>4101662the "forced" shit was a result of autists taking that noelle line literally at face value and thinking she actually believed that instead of thinking that noelle was doing it to seem available to susie, people changed their minds because chapter 5 showed that noelle did infact care about kris and that all the shit said about her in the ch3&4 days was exaggerated as fuck
I like to think that Love Finds The Girl was Kris falling in love Susie and the end involves Noelle inevitability going nuts as the angel and having to be destroyed, despite them all loving one another. Then Susie realizes what she has witj Kris and reciprocates his feelings, making the fans hate her all over again for only coming to this conclusion after all that. Also Kris is "they" multiple because it includes the soul.
>>4101903>>4101906Also you know, all she did was dance with Sans. That's it. Literally nothing about her is being a bad mom, you guys just want to hate her because you're projecting your own brown single mom experiences on her after just that scene or something.
>>4101909>if you have all eggs, kris can skip having a hangoverHoly
>>4101912Save points constantly talk about "power". Beating up darkners and severing their friendship is said to give you "power". I dunno if I'm just imagining this but I'm pretty sure there's some text somewhere talking about how you need "the power to reach the ending".I'm sure it makes more sense with the normal route ending. But I assume it's supposed to be a misinterpretation. Like an actual misinterpretation.You, as a player, are supposed to think, "how can I make Noelle stronger for the ending?" and start grinding.But the actual end result we're seeing is that grinding trash mobs was pointless.The real effect it had on Noelle was "waking her up", and some made-up stats were just peripheral to that.
>>4101919All femkrisfags are schizophrenics.
The voice hijacking the Vessel creator is doomer blackpilled aborted WR Noelle forcing the player into Kris in a loop in hopes Kris will do the Weird Route proper this time
>>4101751you say that because the weird route makes you recontextualize how noelle is truly like and how everybody else is just a bunch of mindcontrolled prophecy drones because the thought of noelle not being an innocent chungus that would do nuthin wrong scares you, you're the type of person that wr noelle describes
>>4101923>schizophrenia is........LE BAD
>>4101920>I think everyone is just projecting their drunk whore mom onto TorielBecause they fucking know that it's fucking uncomfortable and shitty, man.You can't call other people brown and then pull this "what would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast" kind of mentality.Oh "My mom has never been a drunk whore so I don't know what everyone is getting mad about".Yeah, man. Have you ever even seen your parents drink? Can you imagine it in your head? Can you even try to picture it?
>>4101895She didn't like the evil dream voice but Kris' voice that talked to her that night.
>>4101929I can because she has been nothing but perfect as a caretaker and even that moment was just a funny bit with a slightly melancholic undertone for Susie specifically until I went online and saw everyone basically treating Toriel like it makes her worse than geno Frisk.
>>4101907Toby loves the genocide route as well which is why he made board 3 to show off how we're going to kill them. Putting his characters through grief is how he shows love.
>>4101930It really makes me laugh that Kris might have actually prevented the weird route with a little more effort, but by comforting Noelle he made her even more eager to jump on his cock.
>>4101815it merely reduces the amount of tension in her own heart needed to cast snowgrave, 200% TP snowgrave requires so much tension from noelle that she couldnt physically reach, but the thorn ring calms her down enough to be able to cast snowgrave without needing that much tension, it relieves her enough to see things more clearly.
>>4101923That post called Kris a "he", unironically rent free.
>>4101934All he had to do was put in the same amount of effort that he does to hide Knight's identity from us, and he'd be golden.
>>4101933He also likes to set up and subvert expectations. There will be no massacre.
>>4101912Re-read Chara's monologue and Asriel’s letter about her agaun.
>>4101938>Sword Route is actually foreshadowing the emotional massacre of hometown after Kris drops sick truths on its inhabitants
>>4101922It reminds me that weird ''wake'' Noelle act in the berdly wr fight
>>4101938Nobody except us expects the massacre sadly.
>>4101938Correct. Every single route will end at>THEN THE WORLD>WAS COVERED IN DARKNESS.Right before the action gets going. Write your own ending or continuation, just like Gerson encouraged.
>>4101935The thorn ring doesn't "calm her down", she's so focused on "the mission" that she can't even recognize Berdly with it. It just makes it easier to make her do things she wouldn't normally.
Is Deltarune pretentious?
>>4101932>It was just a funny gagKris looks like he wants to fucking kill himself and you think "hee hee hoo hoo"?
>>4101948No. It doesn't really seem to overvalue itself that way.
>>4101946>so focused on "the mission"
>>4101950>Kris looks like he wants to fucking kill himselfHis normal sprite?
>>4101672>EggsLancer says in chapter 1 that you wont survive without at least one egg, but they are also called not too important by the narration. Maybe you get some kind of protection or buff against the friendlings with 1-4 and you get help from the forgotten man with all 5.Or maybe Kris will just kill themself if they can't remember the egg man>black shardsi'm all in on them doing nothing>aborted WRI suspect that aborted chapter 2 will have no significant deviation until you get the twisted sword and that 4+5 will converge on having Noelle opening a dark fountain to trying and save Rudy with small dialog variations between them>Castletown statusit won't matterThe only difference will be the character interactions before the [Angel's Heaven] is banished.something, something, "Something more important than reaching that reaching the end" type of deal.
>>4101952fucking kek
>>4101911because everything will happen in chapter 7
>>4100840sorry can't find the tweet itself for the life of me, might have been deleted but I found a repost
>>4101954The sprite of him avoiding Susie's gaze out of shame.The sprites of him rolling around in bed suffering.Or you know, Toriel nearly falling on Kris's dumb ass and crushing him to death and then calling him an annoying loser for not finding it funny.There's nothing really funny about any of this unless you just think "haha toriel is drunk and she is dancing :)", completely removed of any other emotional attachment to the scene.Including Susie being super worried about Toriel the whole time just to find out she was drunk at home that entire night.
>>4101922fun fact, head hathy's recruit talks about how she became powerful by pushing her friends away
>>4101959>avoiding Susie's gaze out of shame.At that age any time your parents have fun is cringe and embarrassing to see>The sprites of him rolling around in bed suffering.His fault for always holding in his feelings and not just saying "hey could you turn it down please" >Or you know, Toriel nearly falling on Kris's dumb ass and crushing him to death Hot>and then calling him an annoying loser for not finding it funny.Hot but for different reasons
>>4101950When DOESN'T he look like he wants to kill himself?
I was thinking about how Flowerys theme was based on the full house theme. It made me think about how if chapter 5 instead of weaboo anime inspired was inspired by 90s sitcoms where everyone is a happy family. Kind of like the dark world becomes this fantasy world where Asgore can have his perfect family while also being misrable because he keeps getting reminded of how his actual family is broken. Damn that would have been kind of cool. Instead of the anime Flowery opening it could have been a sitcom opening parody with all the flowers hugging Asgore and stuff.
Post yfw the patch really was cope and Pink was just meant to be a lighthearted end to secret fights with no plot relevance planned for her whatsoever
>>4101963That would've risked the existence of another TV Darkner though, and Kris can't have that because he's so racist towards Darkners that he thinks Asgore's TV would literally be Tenna 2.
>>4101963>"Green turns to the audience and laughs">just holds up a sign saying LOL
Completely irrelevant take whatsoever, but Kris is Caim from Drakengard.>Both are (technically) mute assholes.>Both are sword wielders.>Both like bitchy she-dragons.>Similar hair.
>>4101963It could be super interesting if Asgore geniunely really loves his new family and has to go through a huge amount of emotional struggle to say goodbye at the end.
>>4101920>Literally nothing about her is being a bad momshe's a single mom, so she's bad at being a mom by default.
Deltarune and DELTA RUNE are two separate things theory
>>4101974Provides better than her failure ex-husband lmao. You would think Kris has a restraining order on him with how little effort he puts into trying to spend time with him.
>>4101977Toby get off this thread and go back to working on chapter 6
>>4101977they both do a really shit job + she chose him in the first place
>>4101771Oh god it's Rebellion all over again>Hometown that we know is Kris' "witch labyrinth" that's used for Roaring simulation observed by GasterVENIVIDIHOME TOWN
>>4101918Turns out context matters, huh? Not the last time we're gonna see this kind of 180 degree turn I bet.
>>4101924This would kinoBut the voice of the hijacker is de-facto confirmed to be Chara due to the Japanese translation. Chara and the hijacker both share the unique speaking gimmick of using a lot of kanji which is only again replicated by the Mantle Holder.If you don't like Chara = Goner Hijacker, then you could say Hijacker = Mantle Holder.
>>4101913No-no, you see Susie already decided that she won't let the last tragedy happen so everything's cool now. Now how about day love finding the way into the girl huh? The prophesy can't NOT be followed after all, so heh what's the big deal, it's gonna happen anyway, right? Might as well, might as well.
>>4101982Everyone that points this out ignores the extremely chara colored individual who we have never heard talk
>>4101982>Chara>being relevant in Deltarune
>>4101972Toby hates Asgore too much to give him an properly deep subplotHe couldn't even let what little bit of connection Asgore had with his flowers stand, and wrote it so that Asgore was "just humoring them" while he was waiting for his chance to kill the Knight.
>>4101964
>>4101984SURELY you aren't talking about KrisThe Kris Who has Brown HairRed Eyes And Yellow SkinJust like Frisk who's name is an anagram of Kris with one additional letter (k(F)ris)The very same Frisk, who in the 10th anniversary stream can be seen in the same room as UT Noelle >>4101986Chara said the to destroy the UT world and move on to the next.Where do you think that next world is? Why is Chara so confident that you'll both go there?
>>4101995you're trying to do a thing where you act really snarky and smart while unironically claiming this is not meant to evoke chara imagery
>>4101995>Where do you think that next world is? Why is Chara so confident that you'll both go there?It's whatever game you're playing next. Chara will be there because Chara is a feeling, as long as you're going for completionism, excavating every bit of fun from a game, metafagging, ruining shit on purpose, whatever, you are invoking him.
>>4101972that implies making asgore slightly relevant so instead he just makes asgore go "LOL i dont give a shit about you or your faggy friends" to remove any depth that an asgore being fond of his schizo family before learning that he has to let them go and focus on reality would, infact, it would strengthen his involvement in the chapter since him being coked up in escapism and learning to let it go wouldve been a cooler asgore plotline than acting retarded for 5 hours then being angsty emo "i ignore you" for 1 hour before suddenly learning offscreen that super escapism land 2 is bad and thus deciding to go back to giving a shit (before the knight kidnaps him)
>>4101909Ch 1-5 has the key item/status collectionCh 6-7 gets altered by themMost drastic being 7B but the absence of key items in 6-7 may be because 6-7 are when those key items have more impact?I think the sunset telegraphs it
>>4101995>Where do you think that next world is? Why is Chara so confident that you'll both go there?We really are bringing back ch1 era theories, huh?The next world is soulless pacifist routeDeltarune have been making it clear that it's a Undertale's prequel because of Sans (the place where it rained and the weird route ice cream drawing).
>>4101981well, yeah, i agree, i hope it doesnt get as bad as that again
>>4101979Then she unchoose'd him when she realized what a pathetic loser he was
>>4101996>unironically claiming this is not meant to evoke chara imageryI amEven in there more demonic form, Chara is never shown to have red eyes unlike Frisk
>>4101982God that would be so boring
HERE I COME SAN FRANCISCO
What if Kris is the literal reincarnation of Chara and the ruins are below Hometown and the only way to access is the Shelter? But then, didn't Toby said that Deltarune is not connected to Undertale?>To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one. With different characters, that have lived different lives. A whole new story will happen
>>4101971And both will make every ending canon, creating undertale and unaltered
>>4101996>imagery = the thing itselfYou don't want to go down that rabbit hole. Not in this thread, not with these mikefags.
>>4102004https://youtu.be/dxUAHdUjn0s?t=52 why are you gay and a liar. in that order, please
>>4102007FUCK YOU SAN DIEGO
>>4101964I can see the shop dialogue being in 6 because she would be the first secret boss resident but Toby rushed thanks to the vagueposting meme
>>4102011I'm just saying it's not a stretch to consider kris would sound enough like chara to use the same text style when they spoke. Hell, there's dialogue literally saying that the mantle holder and kris look similar as well. There are TWO people that kris looks like that speak that way
>>4102016>vagueposting memeI fully expect a mikes segment in 6 addressing everything being so vague
>Uuuu! Uuu! Uuuuuuuuu!SHUT THE FUCKUP
>>4101894The game goes widescreen with a 4-man party
>>4102008Notice the phrasing there "If everyone was happy your ending" Well what if the UT world was completely annihilated by a no mercy run? Would nobody try to renew that world?
>>4102028You really think Toby is some kind of vaguepost god or something? If he farts 8 times instead of 7 does that mean chapter 7 will not be the end of Deltarune and there will be a new game+?
>>4102022Why don't you tell us bossTRUST THE PROCESS
>Man2le>when the hooded figure joins, the attack button only activates her attackThere, I just turned it into an ACTUAL weird tutorial
>>4101996>filtered by the shirt
>>4102038green pippins is the audience stand-in, toby would make him look like a schizo over jongler and cat mike being somewhat vague to throw another punch against the audience while passing it off as another "joke"
>>4101964Would be so fucking weird cause likePINK and YELLOW cat????Bro?????ANYTHING?????????
>>4102037I mean, 7B is its own chapter...
>>4101995Chara is the one with red eyes as decreed by Toby.
>>4102008I've said this before and I will say it againIf we go with Deltarune being a simulation by Gaster, then Kris must be a character Gaster created and is based off Chara, and his sources being the tapes that you find in True Lab, which I believe he was the one to bring them to the lab, not Alphys. Hence the constant parallels between Kris and Chara. Kris is probably Gaster's interpretation of Chara, much like how the flowers are Asgore's interpretations of other charactersThe reason why Undertale characters 1 to 1 how they act in Deltarune is because of the surveillance system he placed all over the underground, Chara is different because they're dead long before Gaster arrived
How the music probably will be like in 7B:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lJRRI7W687I&ra=m>>4101925Weird route is a cognitohazard routeSo people deny it as truer self Noelle But it has me wonder what other stuff may be found out. People act like the weird route won't contain any major revelations about stuff but even in UT genocide have a lot of insight into the nightmare existence Asriel fell into as that flower or the existence of Chara in general. How at the end home it's Chara's perspective instead. All that stuff. If WR is DR's genocide analogy we should expect at least stuff like that being revealed in 7B surely? That Noelle brought Dess up in 5B has me feel like we will get Dess related stuff in 7B.
Someone Spamton post for 1997
Frisk is dead in Undertale and you're just piloting her zombie yellow corpseNotice how the alarm clock dialogue didn't mention Frisk at all. Frisk dies when you close the game without your soul keeping her going>The human-monster ambassador is found mysteriously dead in Toriel's house>The war breaks out all over again
>>4101996>>4099608
>>4102052is dess gonna jumpscare us at the end too?
>>4102051nta but I personally see it as chara but if they had the support they needed back then. It makes the stuff with Noelle and Dess all the more bittersweet if you look at them as being the thing that took chara from being a mental case to someone could save this world
>>4102054It's been years so I don't remember it very well, but I'm pretty sure Frisk is the one who tells Asriel their real name at the end of the game before leaving the cave. That is the first time we ever hear that name so it isn't us nor Chara telling that to Asriel, Frisk is alive.
>>4102008I agree with the other anon that the only way that can happen is if this is a simulation and Gaster made Kris based on his experiences with Chara as there was no humans underground.
>>4102056Vessel as a secret boss (egg needed) that kinda acts as a form of the Chara fight people didn't get in UT sorta like how spamton neo was a form of the mettaton neo fight?
>>4101996Chara's eyes are a natural brown and only go red in the False Pacifist ending, where Frisk is being possessed. We never see Frisk's eye color, so it's entirely possible that Frisk's eyes are red.
>>4102062Kris is able to talk on her own too and has a will of her own, she just can't last long without usFrisk is going to start turning green after we leave
>>4102054The Alarm Clock dialogue implies they're all talking to Frisk thought, plus Flowey tell us to let Frisk live her life which goes against your theory.
>>4102056I respect the vesselfags but I can't hop on that train, sorry
>>4102064Nah, I still think that has to be Kris, although we could fight a hijacked vessel like we fought a hijacked thrash machine.
>>4102068Good, human children exist only to die for monsterkind.
>>4102060>Chara missed out on hanging out with the doe girlsfeels bad manAsriel is too much of a crybaby. Imagine Chara spending time with Dess, she's the opposite of Azzy
Undertale is the simulation and Suselle is canon.
>>4102074Even if you think the Vessel is never returning that doesn't change my comment when Chara only appears in the end of genocide anyways.
>>4102054It doesn't mention Frisk because it's trying to be congruent with the fact that her final destination is in (You)r hands, that being whether she lives with Toriel or goes her own way, having decided to try and find a better place to call home.By not mentioning Frisk, you don't risk continuity snags, and even beyond that Toby likes keeping details about his precious humies vague and unknowable, because they're his dearest children whom he'll never le tthe world truly understand because they're his and his alone.
>>4102051>>4102063I'm not saying it's not an interesting theory, but I doubt Toby is going to make Deltarune a direct sequel to Undertale. He wants Deltarune to be its own thing, and making Kris a replica of Chara would be confusing to those who didn't play UT.
>>4102059I have no idea7B could end like 10 different ways with no path to follow for all we know
>>4102076Undyne...
>>4102083as long as it doesn't affect the world of undertale, anything is fair game i think
>>4102083>He wants Deltarune to be its own thing, and making Kris a replica of Chara would be confusing to those who didn't play UT.But he also stresses that you should really, really, REALLY play Undertale first before starting Deltarune.
>>4102078Enter the yuri Dessra art trend.
>>4102075Avoiding the trophies and collecting eggs might cause some weird shit to happen That gaster reacts to you not collecting trophies feels significant
>>4102083Anything involving Gaster is going to have to call back to Undertale because Toby made him into an Undertale character first.
>>4102090Because Deltarune references Undertale. It's a parallel story.
>>4102093I doubt Toby's going to lock important exclusive content behind one specific console version, it's probably just extra flavoring because of the asinine nature of the challenge required to complete Chapter 4 without any trophies, something you have to buy the game all over again in order to retry, and Toby wanted to acknowledge someone who was insane enough to do it.
>>4102093Doubt it, since there's no way to do that on switch and pc as of right now. I think toby just used that as a neat way to show gaster and forgotten man as being adversaries in some way
>>4102097Then he's not really letting Deltarune be its own thing if the game is too busy making you think about Undertale not only in terms of shared concepts, but also the constant barrage of Undertale references, is he?
>>4102098>I doubt Toby's going to lock important exclusive content behind one specific console versionundertale mad mew mew
>>4102081You really seethed out towards the end there
>>4102103Mew Mew isn't important, she's literally as out of the way as possible.
>>4102083>He wants Deltarune to be its own thingWell he's really, really bad at it.
>>4102101whose side is eram on?
>>4102106>final boss of the game isn't important
>>4102108Kris'
>>4102102Not really. You know what "parallel" means, right?
>>4102108Just like Kris, ERAM is doing Triple Trucies.>trucies with Gaster, so far known to let it rent the FRIENDs and even engage in meta aspects like the thankyou ARG>trucies with Forgotten Man, it keeps the FRIENDs off his ass despite the protein he carries>trucies with Kris, unknown arrangements
>>4102108Neither.My personal feelings are that Eram and Forgotten Man are both trying to get Kris to remember something important regarding That Day, possibly even the same thing, but both are going about it in opposite ways. Forgotten Man is a therapist helping Kris work through that trauma, while I believe Eram seeks to recreate that moment/mindset.That's just my theory though
>>4102083>but I doubt Toby is going to make Deltarune a direct sequel to Undertale.Less of a sequel and more of a prequel>He wants Deltarune to be its own thing, and making Kris a replica of Chara would be confusing to those who didn't play UT.First off, Toby have explicitly stated that Deltarune is for those that have played Undertale first. You won't understand what's so special about Asgore, Gerson or Sans without having played Undertale. Or hell, you won't even who know the hell is Gaster since Deltarune doesn't even tell you his nameSecondly, I think he meant more as in judging the game on its own merits. Like this anon said >>4102095 Gaster's involvement makes this game impossible not be connected to Undertale
>>4102107He’s doing his best, okay?!
>>4102121For everyone in-universe, it's a prequel.For (You) and Gaster, it's a sequel, because he very specifically reached out to us in response to the fact we wanted to find him, but were unable to in Undertale beyond fragments of his existence scattered across the FUN events and unspoken-but-implied history in the underground.
Kris looking like Frisk or Chara is a red herringShe was the patience kid in Undertale
>>4102120>while I believe Eram seeks to recreate that moment/mindsetkris shanked dess theoryeram encourages her to be violent after all (anti-ralsei?)
what if the ThornRing doesnt have a real effect, it's just a placebo
>>4102122He should outsource like he did with half of 5
>>4102121To be fair you won't know who Gaster is even after playing Undertale. Only after digging for hidden content on wiki/youtube and seeing twitter hijack tweets the connection becomes clear.
>>4102125>but were unable to in Undertale beyond fragments of his existence scattered across the FUN events and unspoken-but-implied history in the underground.or... we are meeting him BEFORE he got shattered, and we are going to cause the shattering at the end of Deltarune
What if we've already met Gaster but don't realize it yet because we don't know what he looks like
>>4102127Aqua is not Kris, that was a red herring despite Kris having 3 eyes and the Soul having 1.
Susie will be present for the Gaster reveal and destroy the entire moment because she, as the standin for the casually audience, has to loudly ask "WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?" and make Gaster spill every important detail we had figured out since Undertale
>>4102107He's good at it but the community doesn't want it. Everyone wants as many things to be directly related to Undertale as possible. And so you have absolute nonsense predictions like Kris=Chara, Asgore fight and red flower being treated by some mentally unsound individuals like a sealed deal and then acting like Toby betrayed them by... treating Deltarune like its own thing instead.
>>4102127So Asriel is a nonbinary mute and Toriel is actually a nigger guy who later trooned out and somehow conceived a child?
>>4102130I think this became clear when Noelle revealed in the real world that being a bad girl turns her on and that she is thankful to Kris for showing her she can stop being a boring nerd girl
>>4102134And his final act? Creating Papyrus, rewriting things to make him Sans's new brother so Sans doesn't have to go with the Gaster-shaped hole in his heart, creating the ultimate lynchpin for Undertale's happiest ending.
>>4102135we havehe's really bad at making puzzles and he may or not be an ntr man
>>4102135Papyrus...
>>4102127both Kris looking like Chara AND being the patience can be true. The soul we are controlling may not be Kris' soul, which I think should've been obvious since we were overwriting his savefile in chapter 1>>4102128>spoilerWith Toriel freaking out over knife at the start of chapter 2 (possible flashback), and Aqua being covered in red, the incident was probably something bloodySince Yellow = Asgore, it's plausible this moment is related to the incident
>>4102128Not impossible but I doubt it. Do also remember that both Forgotten Man and Eram look back on those times with sentimentality. Kris's title "Enjoying the youthful days" doesn't exactly evoke "I'm trying to forget a murder I did"Kris was a fucked up little kid but I doubt they killed Dess. It's also implied Asgore saw at least a little bit of what happened, enough to see a Dark Fountain being involved.
>Me when Toby manages to dodge every theory I had about what would happen in ch 6-7
>>4102144Granted, we don't know if monsters as a whole actually bleed in Deltarune. We know Susie does, we know Sans might, but Sans is also increasingly likely to be from another world already since he's doing weird gigaknower shit (getting the approval to man multiple festival rides simultaneously despite having only lived in Hometown for months, seemingly completely replaced someone who disappeared, giving you the bread in Weird Route, etc.) but ultimately we've yet to see if Susie is right about the notion of "everyone bleeds" aside from herself and Kris So whatever happened, if it turns out Susie's just a weird Mary Sue outlier, it's more than likely Kris got fucked up real bad or was outright cutting himself because he let the events of THAT HORRIBLE DAY transpire.
>>4102147That's because all theories boil down to "ok but what if THIS recently introduced thing is actually what everything centers around?"
>>4102149Rude, do you even know anon's theories?
>>4102128Obviously DR is furry Omori and Kris is Omori while Noelle is basil and Dess is Mari
>>4102149It's all just one big game of "try to figure out what THAT HORRIBLE DAY IS" anyway, which is the true core that the entire narrative, every character, every plot beat and every detail revolves around.The incident is so riddled in vaguepost and unknowable details beyond "something happened, it seemingly initially involved Kris, Noelle, Asriel and Dess, when it happened it deeply traumatized Noelle, it made Kris hate himself because of unspecified guilt, it made Asriel cry and cry and cry, overall it just totally broke the Dreemurrs and Holidays and everyone is worse off for it, also Knight was there maybe?" that when new details that may or may not connect to it arise, people desperately want to use it to finally figure out what happened, and from there they can workshop the entire rest of the story since everything ultimately links back to THAT HORRIBLE DAY.
>>4102152>The trauma incident is vagueposted the whole game Omori all over again
>>4102148>he let the events of THAT HORRIBLE DAY transpire.>they win and stop the Roaring, no one dies or suffers greatly>Susie splashes some water onto Kris' crotch and chuckles "What's the matter Kris, did the Titan Angel scare you that much? Don't worry, I kicked its ass!">"Faha, Susie, don't tease Kris like that...">seething with rage, Kris goes back in time to make sure he can ruin their lives>bumps into Dess, Noelle's demure older sister, and accidentally blurts out "DECEMBER IS A FAT GIRL'S NAME!" in his rage>Dess runs away from home and the two families distance themselves>Toriel happened to divorce Asgore that same day because he found out she skipped all her Alcoholics Anonymous meetings>eventually we get to the start of chapter 1
>>4102153Do you think the final boss of the pacifist route will be some echo of Kris gatekeeping the trauma too?
>>4102152It's like Persona 4 except we're the detectives who keep getting the wrong culprit every chapter
is there a reason why toby loves to do the "vaguepost about everything then infodump it all in the end" type of writing? what game could he have gotten that shit from?
>>4102158Mother 3 and leder
>>4102158MOTHER 3. You have to remember Toby got his roots from being a diehard MOTHER fan, but he failed to understand that 3 only told the story this way because it suffered pure development hell, and it wasn't a deliberate choice that Itoi and friends wanted to make, but they couldn't keep delaying the game even more.
>>4102157noelle joining would be like naoto joining, as in we finally got someone with half a brain (more is debatable) who actually makes real progress on what the truth isBoth of them are even claimed as trans by the fandom
>>4102160It's not that bad When it's a whole game at onceBut holy shit doing that for an episodic release game was a choice
>>4102161how so? what went so wrong that the story had to vaguepost about shit until the last moment?
>>4102158mother 3 (the big one)live a livecave storymgs2vagueposting has been running in his veins ever since he was a wee lad
>>4102158He loves it because he puts importance in player guesses and interpretations. Without much info you can't help but try to structure everything in your head but some pieces don't fit yet and you're looking for ways to make them fit and lose track of the actual important stuff, so the actual reveal re-contextualizes a lot of things you thought you knew for sure.
>>4102163I wonder if ch 6 getting a major reveal and the newsletter feeling the need to say there would be one was in reaction to fan feedback But it was already written so maybe not
>>4102162It'd even require the girl in question to stop living a facade, in Naoto's case it's to stop LARPing as a boy and in Noelle's case it's to force her to confront the truth of what happened on THAT HORRIBLE DAY so she can tell Susie.
People weren't bothered by it in undertale because you got all of undertale from start to end
>>4102166so why did he discourage theorizing on the newsletter or whatever that was about?
>>4102165>cave storySo Gaster is Ballos of Deltarune?Also, I'm surprised Toby didn't implemented ways in Deltarune where the game deliberately pushes you away from achieving true ending, since he loves to be against the players
>>4102172You got it mixed up, read the letter again.
>>4102168They make it sound like Dess left on her own volition so I don't know if it's some messed up thing they did to Dess that was hiddenLike if it was I feel like Noelle would've brought that up instead of saying Dess left on her own volition at the lake
>>4102174FRIENDS swarming you if you even dare try to improve the mental health of Kris I think can count as that
>>4102172>so why did he discourage theorizing on the newsletter or whatever that was about?he didn't? he just told people to keep an open mind and not cling to their theories too tightly because they might be missing a crucial unrevealed detail or they might have misinterpreted something.. like you did
Dear femkris believers. What is Kris cupsize?
>>4102171the goal of undertale is to escape the underground (and later to follow flowey's instructions if you spared him for some reason), so no matter what undertale did, you were always progressing, getting closer to that sweet honey-flavored goal, it didnt feel like everything was delayed for lore reasons (in fact, you had to go out of your way to explore in order to get most of the lore! the true lab tapes and alphys' entries ARE optional after all), it worked just fine
>>4102164It started as an N64DD title in development in the 90's, had to move to plain 64 since DD flopped, got scrapped because N64 was already on its way out, went dormant for a few years until it resurrected development on GBA, and then went through even more years of struggle until it finally hit Japan stores in 2006.It's less that they WANTED to vaguepost, but more that they literally did not have time to fully develop everything to cover every piece of story, worldbuilding and the likes, unless they wanted to risk the game being shut down entirely for how long they've been trying and failing to make it, so they decided to not worry about creating all of it and instead cramming all that information into an NPC so he could exposition dump to you during the final chapter.
>>4102164>what went so wrong that the story had to vaguepost about shit until the last moment?First time hearing about a game that went through troubled development and backloaded most of its reveals?
>>4102176>>4102179i didnt subscribe to the newsletter so idk whats going on with em so, i see
>>4102165btw live a live just went on sale from 60 to 20 bucks if anyone is interested
>>4102161>and it wasn't a deliberate choiceThat can go both ways because sometimes something that only came about due to the nature of a game's development ends up sticking out in a way that really grabs people compared to how much less impactful it might have been if the devs had gotten their way.
>>4102182i see>>4102183this game looks cool, i hope we get a leaked prototype of it
>>4102174>he loves to be against the playersMindbroken.
That eggs improve mental health but attract the attention of friends who are eram connectedThey don't want kris to get mentally well.Strange, isn't it?
>>4102177My belief is that she memoryholed the details. She's able to fondly reminisce about the most likely precursor to THAT DAY (the four of them dicking around in the woods behind the graveyard) with seemingly no inkling of trauma recognition, but Berdly's POV makes it very clear that what happened haunted and broke her so badly that she froze up just hearing "December" at the spelling bee.It made it easier on her to pretend the incident never happened and that Dess simply "left", and that nothing in particular happened that she was involved in, even though the unused (but still present, Toby left it in for a reason) "COLDWATER FELL FROM THE TOP OF THE SKY." prophecy implicates that someone associated with ice was involved in an important past event, which could be Noelle.
>>4102185Is the gameplay improved from the original or is it still a boring piece of shit?
>>4102183The only thing I know about Xenogears is that people keep saying how Squad hates that games, and apparently how it's literally unfinished
>>4102191I'll let you know when I play it
>>4102180AAA , duh
>>4102188Not in theoryfagging sense, dummyI meant as in the SOUL, and how you don't get much agency because Kris is a shitty vessel
>>4102185worth it?ive played some of the games that influenced toby (specifically off, moon rpg, earthbound, yume nikki) and none of them did it for me.
>>4102190What the FUCK does Noelle do when it's actually December, the month? Go into hibernation so she never has to look at a calender?
>>4102196The one thing tob did right was take those games and put some actual fucking gameplay in them.
>>4102197Cry all day inside her room I guess
>>4102197That's probably what spurred the memoryhole method, an entire month of Noelle being miserable and inconsolable on what's supposed to be the family's most festive time of the year doesn't bode very well on anyone's psyche.
>>4102197Noelle's big on routines. Look at her getting the piss scared out of her by Alphys. She's fine when December is brought up when it's meant to be. Getting jumpscared by it in the finale of a school-wise spelling bee is what got her
>>4102192Yeah that's about all you need to know about it
In order to get the true ending of the game you need to boot it up on the exact day and hour of The Incident, which will unlock Chapter 0
Eggs reduce our control of kris. Reducing our own control of Kris also reduces the demon's control of KrisDemon doesn't want us getting in the wayWhen we get the eggs we get in the way.
>>4102134Wait-wait, I've got this.
>>4102206demon?
>>4102208the thing in the code that says "I will follow you to the utmost" iirc, it's listed as demon(a/b/c/d)
>>4102208I say demon since I don't know if it's ERAM or Gaster to be more worried about when it comes to the eggs
>>4102208He's a turd enshitty believer because he thinks when the soul does something without the game prompting him "PRESS X TO EPIC SAUCE" that it means there's actually another entity residing in the soul.
>>4102211Nigga Kris did a deal with a demon There's someone else Kris answers toI just mean that fucking demon whoever or whatever it is
>>4102196how was moon in particular, I might have to play it myself at some point and from the premise it sounds like the kind of game people who say toby hates them for playing a video game think deltarune is
>>4102213>Nigga Kris did a deal with a demonNta, but we don't know that to be honest. The only thing we know is that Kris and Catti summoned a demon when they were both little kids and that Catti got scared and run away leaving Kris alone with the demon.
>>4102204This but it won't tell you when and it won't acknowledge it, the chapter screen looks the same and you have to scroll up once to see it because it's just above ch1
>>4102216The only options are either Kris bargained with it or was enthralled by it, and its much more interesting to work off the idea he wants to do what he's doing rather than he's being forced to
>>4102216Why do all of his friends abandon him
>>4102216>Knight implied to predate the dessapearance >Kris did a thing THAT day (no dess anymore)>Kris had a therapy >Kris summons a demon with catti (but what happened?)>Kris then has red soul but also works with the knight to kidnap peopleSomething happened with that demon, that's for sure
>>4102217>Easter Egg gets you ch 0>Map breaking gets you 7Bhmmm0 is a bit egg shaped
>>4102219Kris abandoned Noelle first, but at least they both "died" together in the end.
>>4102219Kris has too high a level so all the encounters run away from him
I just sorta like the gameplay implication of doing something that violates a deal kris made you were left out of knowing about causing something to attack you over itSecret fights neat, okay?
>>4102211isnt it just kris doing shit on his own (revealing that kris has more control over themselves than theyd want us to believe) during the cutscenes? AKA, standing up to protect susie from chaos king?
>>4102224Didn't've asking.
>>4102224based gameplay over narrative enjoyer
>>4102121They're completely unrelated (lol).Undertale's connection with Deltarune is so superfluous that all I can say about it really is that this screen actively damages discussion of it as everybody obviously goes in thinking "how does this connect to Undertale???" without actually engaging with it.
>>4102228Your next move is to say "that part of the game doesn't have to make sense to the setting, it's just an Undertale reference."
>>4102229Yes. That is my next word you retard.Can you tell me what purpose all of the funny Undertale references actually have in the story?
>>4102121>PrequelIf this program ends with us somehow causing gaster to fall into the core then lol
>>4102231Well more like gaster gets the ideaBut it feels like that already happened?
Our actions in deltarune are so awfulit drove the guy running the survey to suicide
>>4102234It was a mercy killing
he has such an unforgettable face
>>4102232>>4102231It did. It goes>gaster gets core'd in the past in UT>sees us be a chad in current UT>he goes fuuuck that's cool come play this game I made called deltarune>we do that and it somehow leads to sans arriving in the past in UTIt's just parallel, like toby said. Consult my epic graph
>>4102239>the top 50% of gasts will only interface with the top 10% determined soulsThe soul cageless epidemic continues unabated
>>4102241damn she's a fuckin bum lol
>>4102239So basically the Interstellar movie
>>4102240I do think canonically there is only one ascended gamedev Gaster and one Soul as powerful as us. What Gaster did is fucking impossible for monsters (and game npcs if you want to get meta), and what we did against Asriel in TP is fucking impossible for humans. Gaster is basically stress testing our combined determination against an immoveable object, Fate itself, as written in the universal laws of the world of Deltarune.
>>4102234What do you mean? The big G is still there and rejoicing about HIS DELTARUNE
>>4102244We only pulled off what we did against Asriel because the narrative was on our side and that we were always destined to overcome Asriel once we started True Pacifist, but here in Deltarune the narrative ISN'T on our side, we don't have the determination to manage that and we're relying on Gaster's DEVICE to manage our saves instead, which is why the usual determination memory rules don't apply. Even more so, Knight can just activate Cutscene-no-Jutsu and cut the bullshit if you start getting too good for its liking, rather than risking a genuine Lavos Early scenario.
>>4102246the narrative does not exist in undertale as it does in deltarune. Flowey specifically set up TP because normal omega flowey didn't work. Asriel's "narrative" is a never-ending cycle. We tore that down.I do agree that we're in a weakened state in DR, though. I believe it's why Gaster started to get hyped during the knight fight. Even if it was for just a moment, we started pulling out the same bullshit we were doing in UT. It IS possible
>as you banish the angel's heaven, ralsei approaches you, and quickly embraces you.>"kris, oh, kris... thank you... you've saved me, you've saved us from the final prophecy's sacrifice... you...">"PLAYER...">"at first, i was afraid... afraid that if you... didn't follow the rules... if you stopped listening to us... that something worse than this would've happened, that this world would've fallen to its knees.">"but, when you chose to spare me after killing susie, i began to... understand.">"you didn't break her just to damn us all...">ralsei does creepy weird route exclusive faces, "you loved us all along, you loved me so much...">"and that brought us here, i guess susie's attempts at subverting the prophecy mustn't have worked as you expected... after all, isn't that why you're here?">"...Susie's hope... it's infectious, but now i see, it was all just for show, she never stood a chance at stopping this from happening, and i clung onto it, believing it was our only option, that there was no choice but to trust their plan...">"but you... you've proved me wrong, you spared me despite everything, and i couldn't be more grateful for that!">"player... once the credits roll, if we ever go back to where our journey started...">"just know, i'll trust that you've got good plans for us, whatever you decide to do with my POWER...">Ralsei kisses the soul, in a similar fashion to Pink kissing kris.>Ralsei will then leave the party for good and the rest of the ending plays out.>"* Ralsei will now use FIRESHOCK in all chapters!">"* Ralsei's stats across all chapters have been permanently increased by 30!"
how does gaster most likely feel about the weird route? "holy shit wtf are you doing", or "hmmm let's see what comes out of this"?
>>4102242yeah that happens when you run off
>>4102251considering that you still get the "beat chapter x-A without issue" achievement in the weird run, he is okay with it imo
>>4102253im telling youegg/issue routewe making the antivirus go after us
>>4102251He had already said both of these by the time Kris hijacked the soul lol
>>4102254those dumbass cats ain't gonna do shit
>>4102254eram will be relevant not friend
DO NOT GIVE KRIS ANY EGGS
>>4102257friend(s) come with eram
More eggs, more friends replace encounters in ch 6-7 before ERAM attacks in a secret boss Maybe that's what happens
>>4102260all FRIENDS will be good for is rape porn
FRIENDS are groomers
FRIENDs will replace some of the fights if you have eggs and then you fight ERAM as the 7A secret boss And then you unlock ch 0 for an alt ending
>>4102267Where we fight nightmare knight and break the whole game by causing a time paradox And then gaster breaks out of the game and strangles you for destroying their deltarune
Trying to fit Omori with Deltarune has a small issue called NOELLE IS NOTHING LIKE BASIL
>>4102264>>4102262Truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCiaYO8Izoc
>>4102272is omori worth playing?
>>4102275why do friends attract this particular.. crowd?
>>4102275Friend inside (you)
>>4102277I don't find it surprising that there are furries who like the funny cat thing that is implied to kidnap kids
>>4102279They also like pocket cat
>>4102276If you can't handle the WAITing and want something that scratches the same itch as UT/DR, then I would recommend playing Omori. The combat is more engaging than the average RPG Maker game (which is saying something since the classic RPG Maker games either have barebones or NO combat) and the characters are pretty likable. The game is split on dream world (the MC's mind) and the real world, so the story have you go back to back until you beat the game, though each section is like hours long. 20 bucks seems really steep for an RPG Maker game, but it's gotta be the most polished RPG Maker game I have played, and the game has tons of content. You gotta do two playthroughs to see everything, since the game got its own geno/weird route with exclusive content. You can pirate it to see if it's more of your thing after a single playthrough like I did. Also worth mentioning the game has console exclusive content just like Undertale, though I don't think they're that big of a dealKeep in mind the most common complaint about the game is the pacing, so you may want to be patient with the gameAlso, the soundtrack is amazing, probably on par with Toby's musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQd9qWKjLMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YBe5w0gBTo
>>4102267>ch 0 being the game before it was built over having you fight a prior iteration of the knight>This is the fight music:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t43ZIrsfof0&list=RDt43ZIrsfof0&start_radio=1&pp=ygUZbmlnaHRtYXJlIGtuaWdodCB0b2J5IGZveKAHAQ%3D%3D&ra=m
>>4102283>those motifsdamn, what a ripoff!https://youtu.be/GISuAzIJbxw
>>4102282you can also play the LISA games, theyve also got more engaging gameplay than most rpg maker games, plus, unlike UTDR or omori, it has more than one game and a gorillion fangames to boot
>>4102277What crowd? People who like fat furry cats?When you're given barely anything to work with, people will fill the blanks with their preferences. I'm sure there are more female FRIEND art than fat FRIEND artAlso, this is pretty tame compared to the shit Tenna and Spamton get from fujos>>4102278Yeah, that's what I wantI hope FRIEND actually shows up in chapter and becomes the next big Deltarune character I'm shocked there isn't a single FRIEND/Reader fics, but somehow there are 60+ fucking fics with FRIEND/Battat. Ch6 better fix that
>>4102287Did the Steam versions of the Painful and Joyful got affected by the console releases?Also I'm curious on the fangames you would recommend. Seems like its own rabbit hole, but not as deep as Toby's games
>>4102282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeSwYOkt2Lc there is also another rpgmaker game with a sperg silent protag with violent tendencies that is risking the end of the world for problematic age gap pussy as he searches for his scattered memories with his autonomy questioned at every turn
>>4102293haven't tried out the console versions but iirc they didn't say anything about exclusive content back when they were announced, so they should offer the same experience. for fangames the absolute essential ones are the hopeful and the pointless. the pointless is not done yet but what's currently there is really damn good. just as good as the painful and honestly straight up better at times.>but not as deep as Toby's gamesoh believe me it's just as deep, if not a tiny bit more. just like with ut/dr almost all of the games are in dev hell or cancelled due to lame ass drama. the pointless for example has been in early access since 2016. it's supposed to have three chapters but they're in the middle of painstakingly remaking the first one because the difference in quality between the current release and the remaining chapters is apparently way too jarring. t. used to be obsessed with the series
>>4102289>BattatI rub my ballsack on dice thinking of battat
>>4102289Battat has all of that going on because the Mike subcommunity is utterly deranged, they love those three bastards to an abnormal degree and their love only amplifies as Toby keeps cockteasing ship material with the trio's dynamic and more details about Battat's view on Tenna.
>>4102190noelle compartmentalizes her trauma, she tucks it away in her mind and 'forgets' about it until she's forced to face it or if it's immediately relevant to herthis is most obvious in ch2 where she 'blacks out' when dealing with the addison and doesn't recognize berdly at first/ gets confused after she snowgraves himyou can also see shades of this whenever you abort the route pre ch5 and she just acts like it never happened (outside of one line in ch5)
>>4102293they got updated so they're the 'definitive' edition with some new stuff and a couple censored gags/ copyrighted song changes but you can just go into previous versions and play the original
>>4102300>aborted wr ch5how much longer now. . . my CRASH OUT DOE? https://youtu.be/l8SmTgudGjU
>>4102302Using ice shock on the ice boss?That's a weird choice to make, Noelle
The final boss will be Rudy in a wheel chair
I had a dream that today Toby released more Deltarune content in between 5 and 6 to ease the wait and it had hat Ralsei and other hat Darkners
>>4102306https://youtube.com/shorts/vO0XmEmgkQo
>>4101909If you have all eggs, Kris who is part chicken will go incubation mode and you skip to chapter 7FRIEND is a decoy and completely irrelevant to the story
>>4102193The sale will have ended by the time you reply
>>4102310mother hen kris...
>>4102191negative reviews seem to say it's indeed still a boring piece of shit
>>4102298/utg/ is down the hallway and to the left
>>4102310Golly her I must get all the eggs thenPink just was being a schizo And herding cats, really? Cats can't be herded. Silly mew mew trying to get is to think cats are scary
>>4102315They don't even talk about undertale deltarune there anymore.They just talk about gender there
>>4102249BURN THE KING, TAKE NO PRISONERSBURN THE WEATHER TRIO, THEIR FIGHT WAS ANNOYING ANYWAYALL THE FLOWERS TOO WHILE WE'RE AT IT, COOK GREEN TO WELL DONEand you do fight susie and lancer in chapter 1. i guess you can just kill them and then get softlocked when you're sent to prison and susie's charred corpse can't get you out
IMAGE_FRIEND is just an antivirus software Just don't cause issues and they'll leave you alone
To be fair I don't have friends so meeting FRIEND would be a net positive for once
7B is somewhere else
While Toby gave up on music and delegated it to someone else, ZUN still releases bangers:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxVOWrzx2o
>>4102317They literally only care about the game itself for Tranny Ralsei "evidence", because they desperately want their dogshit headcanon to be real.
>>4102333>While Toby gave up on a skill he's obviously very good at and has practiced for most of his lifeReally harsh way of shitting on him for getting crippled.
Damn.
>>4102323>Friend is just an antivirusWhen that nigger program Mcafee tries to isolate my fucking video games and delete them without my permission I don't just roll over and say "okay daddy thank you"
>>4102338ZUN is an alcoholic nearing 50, Toby has no excuse
>>4102348Yeah and the shaky hands let him create even more creative melodies that use 200 more notes than they need to.Toby's case is that everything is just more difficult and gayer than it needs to be because he sawdusted himself.
>>4102330She wanted an angel.She got one.She just didn’t expect her to spread wings and fly away
>>4102349I'm honestly starting to think Toby is just overly medicatedProbably takes SSRIs and estrogen and that made him become creatively bankrupt so now he delegates to the team
>>4102351This is just your closeted homoerotic fantasy and projection.
>>4102352Toby has zero masculine energy he's never part of any of my homoerotic fantasies
>>4102353You're just getting gayer here.
>>4102350I think Carol played a part in the soul going to Kris but she doesn’t understand the full scope of what the soul is capable of let alone what it does to Noelle in the WR.>>4102353Temmie made those gay guards then?
>>4102351Nah, Toby's always been like this. Halloween Hack was about as much as having "gay man suppressing the fact he's gay even if he's blatantly unhappy in his straight marriage" representation as much as it was a meta story about the futility of player choice.
>>4102357Yeah I think everyone should be aware of the fact that Toby clearly thought he was fucking gay at some point and vented his frustrations about this into a shitty meme hack and passive aggressive off-topic posts about it when other people want to talk about Earthbound hacks.And then he made a funny profile signature about how he realized he's not a fag.
>>4102356Temmie made all the good parts of UT and DR so yes
>>4102360Good job champ you managed to make a hater post that wasn't oddly homosexual.
>>4102361You can say that posts defending Toby are homosexual too so I don't see the point of sexualizing discussion but you do you
>>4102363One of the reasons you hate him is your own fantasy about him being a depressed tranny (completely made up in your head) and you're telling ME that I'm "sexualizing things".Disingenuous and closeted.
>>4102358And history's repeating, there's so much tranny shit in UTDR that you have to wonder if he's having another identity crisis.
>>4102364It's not made up if he asks his team to refer to him as they/themThese things do not happen with a healthy mind
>>4102357Burgerpants has this bit too
>>4102367(He doesn’t have nearly as big a role and just dating but still)
>>4102367True.
>>4102366If you're going to have a weird schizo obsession you should at least actually know some things and not just absorb information through osmosis and a crack pipe.That never happened.
>>4102367What do you mean?Burgerpants is obviously happy if you hook him up with either of the girls and when you talk to him after revealing it was the popsicle guy he's still going "man what a fucking asshole can you believe that prick?"
>>4102370Whatever you say mam. Keep believing your idol is a secret chud.
>>4102371>"man what a fucking asshole can you believe that prick?"Yes that's what he was saying, this is Toby doing the "repressed homosexual" bit here so he can pair them up in Chapter 6 or 7.
Will Deltarune's final chapters be as good as the BBL route?
>>4102373>Whatever you sayI accept your concession. You lost. I won. Thanks.Also I don't know what you're talking about.I think you spend a lot of time just making shit up in your head because half of what you say is just random shit you imagined.I haven't even said anything along the lines of "Toby isn't a tranny he is MAGA and hates jews!!!" I've just been making fun of you for fantasizing about him being a tranny for some reason. So you've imagined half this conversation too.
>>4102376>Also I don't know what you're talking about.There's an unspoken rule in 4chan that you don't spoonfeed info to newfagsThis was brought up a few times in these threads, look up the archives if you want
>>4102374>if you hate someone for catfishing you that means you're gay?
>>4102322>i guess you can just kill them and then get softlocked when you're sent to prison and susie's charred corpse can't get you outyou have a cracked wall to potentially break down and technically you could use the prison's ironshackles or ralsei's scarf to lockpick the prison cell open, as well as simply having ralsei cast fireshock so that the prison cell bars are melted into goop, they have options
>>4102377>I- I'm an oldfag, I'm an oldfag!!!Actual deranged and nonsensical place to pull this card. Also, probably a misinterpretation. I meant I don't know why you're saying "keep imagining your idol is a secret chud" because it's a random accusation that doesn't have anything to do with anything I said. Which I expanded on in that reply.I'm pretty sure there's an "unspoken rule" about not being a whiny little bitch faggot, but here you are.And spoonfeeding isn't just being able to say random shit and going "google it". If I don't see it then I just don't believe you.Otherwise. I do remember one thing. There's some literal retard who saw a screencap of one of those gameplay streams where Toby insisted on Kris or Frisk being called "they" and went schizo because he thought it was Toby announcing he was nonbinary. Is that you?
>>4102378This is how normalfag gays think if you hadn't noticed
stop being parasocial freaks for a moment and discuss the possibility that dess prolly was a chopped af NERD
>>4102382Seth=DessGreen=Asriel
>>4102382Dess was a chopped and still adorable weirdo but Noelle's talking about Asriel's glasses here
>>4102365Ralsei talks to maddie about how the body has its wants too lmao, mew mew is the most anti-transition thing ever.also, maddie is a crazy bpd angry bitch in both UTDR worlds and is even willing to murder asgore (her crush)'s son and the town's hobo unprompted for non-justifiable reasons, and mettaton, the other tranny allegory, is a shitty boss to burgerpants and even pulls a 1984 in his king ending.while, sure, toby is still woke enough to accept trans identities, he's strongly against the idea of actually transitioning, likely due to all the body-ruining operations needed to be done for it to happen, with toby being more supportive of simply crossdressing and being a femboy (see the lion npc and ralsei's "princess" scene) and maybe just remaining a pre-op trans, while the characters who HAVE transitioned are portrayed as miserable or constantly bitter or have done a lot of evil things on-screen
>>4102385I'm a bit tired of discussing this already but since you're bringing out my political side here's my take:Crossdressing and transgerderism are two sides of the same coin, encourage one and you get the otherToby is trying very hard to be an enlightened centerist, but his true belief is that we are all bisexual nongendered butterflies
>>4102386Unless you're Noelle, then you're strictly a lesbian and have zero interest in men (not counting the nullcrotch human weirdo in town).
>>4102384Based Chopped Doe believer. I want to see the "muh sexy tomboy" fags get btfo.
>>4102386>Crossdressing and transgenderism are two sides of the same coinNah, not really.Your take is bad.
>>4102384>>4102388It makes sense too, Asriel was pulled into fooling around a lot with the girls his age in general and you'd think Dess would've monopolized him if she were the stereotypical tomboy, but if she's just as meek as he is then she's probably beating herself up over her lack of confidence in social situations to stake a claim.And if Abnormal Dess or Entity Using Dess's Likeness IS Knight, that completely recontextualizes its own behavior from "trying to look cool" to "literally a chuunibyou's greatest dream (but evil) and thriving in it".
>>4102389I'm not saying that they are the same. Just that they are two sides of the same coin.Make crossdressing socially unacceptable/clandestine only, then you should have no problems with transgenderism the extreme version.
>>4102387Have you not noticed how much she cares about the other man in her life (Rudy)?
>>4102394So you just don't know what "two sides of the same coin" means.Like, Batman and Joker are two sides of the same coin because one is deranged and does crime and the other is deranged and fights crime.But crossdressing and being a tranny are neither opposed, nor are they related. Some dudes are just mad gay or look cute in a skirt. It's an ideological brainworm which causes the infection.Also speaking of "no that's not how it works" I don't know why you would say "no no you're misinterpreting what I'm saying, crossdressing and being a tranny aren't the same thing I just think that allowing people to crossdress turns them into trannies". This doesn't make any fucking sense man.Your shit is all sorts of fucked up. Take a nap.Which is what I'm going to do. Goodbye.
>>4102399>So you just don't know what "two sides of the same coin" means.Not two sides as in opposite sides, yes. Sorry if my being ESL used this expression incorrectly here.>Some dudes are just mad gayThat's a different topic, not all gays are agp and not all agp are gays. >Or look cute in a skirt.Well they shouldn't. They should dress their gender.>It's an ideological brainworm which causes the infectionEverything is, at some level, "ideological".>I just think that allowing people to crossdress turns them into tranniesIt's a real pipeline as far as I am aware.
What do you imagine Dess looks like?Based on the mantle game sprites, I think she had blue eyes and black and white fur, but I can't imagine a way for her fur color to not look super jarring in the light world, especially if she gets a dialogue portrait. I imagine the rest of her design has a blue motif, befitting the blue roses and the pattern of other colors becoming red like we saw with Aqua and Asgore.
>>4102411When she hears an ominous 'poyo' nearby
>>4101656>>4101660
>>4102008>reincarnation of CharaReincharnation?
>>4101719True Lab shows that Toby can do it tastefully
Chara is demonEram is demonKris is not CharaTherefore Eram is Chara"Toriel holding someone else" - it's Chara/Eram.
>>4102416What in Charanation
So you're a Deltarune fan, huh? Then name all 5 endings.
>>4102431Winning as KrisArmageddonKilling KrisSparing Kris and winning the fightSparing Kris and losing the fight
>>4102130We visibly see its effects in the fight like reducing Noelle’s HP or making it easier to cast Snowgrave.
>>4102171Undertale is a shorter game and we at least knew Frisk's and Asgore’s motivations while in Deltarune we only know Susie's.
>>4102436My evil freak of nature chud daughter...
>>4102392She was also possibly schizoing about the ICE-E sightings. All the weird shit Noelle saw must've happened tenfold with Dess. We have a couple of clues to maybe "pick" from>1. Red and blue and black pallete from the fangamer video ad and the secret gachapon room>2. Super mega chopped with Papyrus' body type>3. Still a pretty tomboy but simplified design based on Toby's style with some cartoony traits>4. Nuclear option: Ginger Dess (because she's Claus)
>>4102239I watched Doctor Who so that's very easy to understand.
>>4102431KriselleKrusieRalsusieKresselSuselle
>>4102382I think Noelle might be talking about Asriel’s glasses here if Ralsei is really supposed to mirror him.
>>4102421That explains all the cute little girl art of it.
>>4102382Toby being a vagueposter again
>>4102239I like your version of Gaster anon.I hope that's what Toby has in store for the comedic epilogue.
I'm just going to throw this out there, but what if Toby was unironically a hack. I used to read a lot of fics and you'd have people who'd shit out a 3k word story every few days and get a good rating and then they'd get shat on if they ever tried writing something with multiple chapters. That's because they are simply incapable of writing something that requires pacing and character arcs. Undertale only had Undyne flip her personality for the date but that was played as a meme and the story was much shorter so who cares. But now Deltarune has Susie go from a bully to a retard and then to a Ned Flanders dyke retard in the span of four days. She actually lost personality as the story progressed. Kris never gets any characterisation except for le body horror, Asgore might as well be replaced with a cardboard cutout and only Ralsei and Noelle actually got any development (which then gets contradicted by ill paced sodomy and crossdressing) and that's in some moments before they sometimes revert to their old personalities for no reason and forget what they are supposed to be doing.If you don't glaze the game, you can see that Toby never wrote down a proper draft and that's why the pacing sucks when he tries to make a longer project. Imagine how overhyped the fnaf story would have been six years ago if Scott didn't say that he's making stuff up as he goes and just said that he le envisioned it all when he made fnaf1. Imho the only thing Deltarune did better than Undertale is the gameplay and to fans flashy graphics are good enough to cover up for the issues with the actual story.
>>4102457Deltarune isn't a story. It is a series of small situations strung together with some gameplay between them. Just like in Undertale there is no "story" beyond you go to the right and encounter funny or mysterious stuff and all the story happens only when it needs to. That's all there is to it.
>>4102460I'm not saying that it's a story, but you'd expect consistency from a story driven game that takes a decade to make.
>>4102462Video game writing is simply different from book writing.>story driven gameAnother "what if the whole game sucked" argument I see.
We've gone from Deltarune's story not mattering to straight up denying it has one in the first place(and that not mattering too). Considering we've only been here for a short time I wonder what the discussion will morph into in 6 months or so.
>>4102469Deltarune doesn't exist
>>4102469Who's "we"? There's only you here.
>>4102469Deltarune is actually two visual novels and an incremental game in a trench coat.
>>4102472>two visual novelsUmineko and Danganronpa?
>>4102467It's different from story writing when there are multiple routes. Notice how Toby is trying very hard for there to only be two routes, one of which skips a whole chapter because his poor wrist is broken.
>>4102472>and an incremental gameI wish, it would be good to have an incremental game to pass the time between chapters. Maybe I should start playing Cookie Clicker again, it's been many years.
>>4102457I wish I was Fnaf kid rather than an Undertale kid, the Fnaf cast is more fuckable
>>4102457What makes someone write this utter rambling nonsense? Do you want (you)s this badly?
>>4102469It will become the Dragon Quest 7 book reading club and I will be there for it
What anime are you guys watching?
>>4102481I would actually be up for a book club type activity where everyone agrees to play a game then we talk about it after playing through it. We could do it for games that served as inspiration for Undertale and Deltarune.
>>4102487Meh. I don't want to play boring Live A Live. I'd rather we just play games we feel like playing.
Also, since we're talking other games, make sure my YIIK thread stays alive: >>4061444
>>4102491Fuck no.
>>4102491>>4102489>40000 posts have been made in one month and it's all us
The key difference between Mother 3's Leder scene, and why it would not work in DR, comes down to context and story progression.In Mother 3, early in each chapter, you are always presented with clear goals (finding Claus, raiding Osohe, finding Duster, pulling the needles, etc.). At the same time, the other major forces in the story, such as the rise of the Pigmask army and the modernization of Tazmily, develop alongside the main chapter goal. People who mention Leder also forget that Mother 3 has another lore dump moment, which is when Ionia tells Lucas the history and importance of the seven needles. As soon as the needles become the primary driving force for the story, the game immediately tells you everything you need to know about them. It doesn't just make you blindly collect them, only to explain their importance right before the final encounter with the Masked Man. On that note, The Knight is not comparable to Masked Man. There is no reason to ever believe his identity is not Claus. Mother 3 gives you enough material to deduce that Claus is being puppeteered by the Pigmask army hours before the reveal.Onto the Leder segment, the history of the Nowhere Island is not a hanging mystery. It serves to properly recontextualize the people of Tazmily. It further highlights how foreign and disruptive Porky is to the world.To Toby's credit, he executes this idea much better with UT, Asgore and New Home. Frisk still has a clear objective, but the constant 2nd hand accounts of Asgore add so much suspense and intrigue without distracting from that.DR has major mysteries like the Knight, Kris' motive, the true prophecy, and the events of THAT DAY. But it feels like the game only give you breadcrumbs despite being well past the halfway mark, which I think is the main frustration. A frustration that Mother 3 avoids.Mother 3 is a story written by an avid reader. Deltarune is a story written by a man who played a video game written by an avid reader.
>>4102500Toby Fox is born after 1990 so it makes sense he never opened a book in his whole life
>>4102479Nah, you're just a pretender, Undertale has the best girls.
>>4102495Take the YIIK pill anon it's like Deltarune but with the teenage romance drama bs
>>4102504I never said I was straight
>>4102505*without
Literally all of your complains boil down to being too fucking antsy and mad you don't know the full story yetDeltarune is probably gonna be amazing for someone who can play it all in one go, at the expense of never being able to explore the fandom discussing things in real time
>>4102509That's what you also said about Game of Thrones, Attack on Titan, Digital Circus, ...
>>4102509Well anon, I simply did not expect I'd be here 8 years later and still waiting for the last 2 chapters to release, what can I say.
>>4102510You didn't watch the official secret unlisted yt video with the TADC weirdchamp ending where Jax gets used up to let the other characters escape into the internet and Abel is revealed and talks directly to the viewer and turns the series into an acclaimed chungus masterpiece?Here you go, pookie#ttps://youtu.be/lKUOhpf8nz4Just turn the # into an h
>>4102500>Mother 3 is a story written by an avid reader. Deltarune is a story written byAn avid gamer. One who's making a point, at that.Even if you don't know what the objective is, progressing in a game is generally easy. It's a tall order to make a game where you have to really understand the story to progress; mostly you just have to understand gameplay cues. And if it's not that, then it's almost always insane moon logic like from a point and click adventure.Deltarune is pushing this idea to its logical extreme. You don't need information to progress the story. You don't need the specific information you're being denied to make reasonable inferences about its direction. You are nervous because it looks like the game isn't going to allow you to address some portion of the story that is being treated in a similar way to how other games would treat an addressable portion of their story.
>>4102518Yeah. It isn't right. It feels wrong to go to such extremes.
>>4102518>You don't need the specific information you're being denied to make reasonable inferences about its direction.How do you have the balls to say this after reading the last newsletter
>>4102517I will click on your link, but I totally expect it to be a rickroll
>>4102510>GoTDidn't watch>AoTAccidentaly wrote itself into a corner and ruined the story>TadcWas always a mid show with no vision and became the creator's autobiographic bullshit vent art
>>4102522I only peddle refined tunes
>>4102524>Was always a mid show with no vision and became the creator's autobiographic bullshit vent artAnd Deltarune isn't?
>>4102529Deltarune has vision and it has reached amazing heights.
>>4102530Are you talking about the game or about your orgasm last night?
>>4102531You would know if you played the game instead of bitching like the larping faggot you are
>>4102521Because I'm not a complete fucking loser clown who lives in constant fear of LE TRICKY TONYThe game's tone is not some inscrutable mystery
>>4102506Oh, that explains the FAGGOTRY.
>>4102533Deltarune had a vision in chapter 1 which is completely different in chapter 5
Deltarune has a vision alright, I'm just not sure what the fuck the vision is.
Deltarune true vision is dragon quest
>>4102518>It's a tall order to make a game where you have to really understand the story to progressIf you reduced it to just "x cutscene is telling you to go to x area" then sure. But there's a clear reason as to WHY rpgs like Mother and Undertale gives you context for your actions, such as making you feel more present in its world, and they would be a weaker stories without that.>Deltarune is pushing this idea to its logical extreme. You don't need information to progress the story.I have faith in Toby's writing because UT is still a good story. But I also do not having undying faith to point where I completely disregard the possibly that he could fumble the final two chapter. Because DR is incomplete, all I can do is make an assessment based on the information present to far. Is the trade-off of denying the player information worth it in the end? It can't be said, because the full story isn't present yet. But to say 'yes' with absolute certainty is blind faith.
>>4102543That's just you admitting you were bullshitting us about it having a vision and you don't know any more than us
>>4102544Stop asking GPT for nuance and be a good little fag this is the Toby hate thread
>>4100596>>4100600I honestly think ch6 won’t have any new gimmicks purely because of Toby talking about how fast and easy it was to develop. I unironically believe over half the development time has been spent on all the half baked random bullshit Toby keeps adding.
>>4102551It will be something like the teacups.Easy to code, perfect for padding.
>>4102551It will only have reused gimmicks.
>>4102481>>4102487that sounds like a lot of fun, count me in.
>>4102510digital circus was obvious merchandise marketing based around lore slop from episode 2 onwardabsolute genius move on the creator for getting a fortnite sking + global theatrical release with that steaming pile of shit endingcreatively bankrupt? sure, but from a min/max for profit standpoint it was absolute brilliance.i don't think toby will pull the same stunt with deltarune, he's too soft, too socialized and too involved with other game creators to embarrass himself like that.
>>4102485I haven't watched anything for a full decade. Anime is shit nowadays.
>>4102509>Literallyyou talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
>>4102509Nah that's bullshit. 99% of the time, if a chapter or an episode or whatever is bad when it's released, it'll still be bad when the story's finished. Its problems can be made more bearable when you don't have to wait a year to experience the next chapter, sure, but they don't outright disappear. Chapter 5 will still fuck with the pacing of Deltarune's story once the full game is published, and Asgore's character will still have been misused.And sometimes seeing the finished work makes it worse because it turns out that all those problems, which you could excuse as long as you thought they were leading up to something, weren't leading up to anything at all. See how Chainsaw Man part 2 lost all its defenders after the story ended for instance.
>>4102572>thatrical releasepretty sure the creator said something on tumblr about how that was the producer's decision or some shit like that. It was the perfect storm of bullshit.
>>4102543dragon quest 7*you're fired
>>4102509I feel like this is the modern umineko where someone who read it as each episode was coming out is gonna come across as bitter and unhinged while the people who read it in full after its release will have mostly positive opinions>>4102578 >Asgore's character will still have been misused.what???He had his character arc, moved on from toriel, realised his obsession over dark worlds hurt his familyThere really isn't anywhere else you could have took the character and any form of fight would be retarded since neither Kris nor Asgore would want to hurt each other
>>4102509>Deltarune is probably gonna be amazing for someone who can play it all in one goI don't know how someone can play this game and come to this conclusion. There are multiple moments that are basically theorybait and don't make much sense going through it normally. Its purely something you'd say if you felt like you needed to defend Toby's honor with your life.
>>4102582>He had his character arc, moved on from toriel, realised his obsession over dark worlds hurt his familyAll in the span of two minutes, with nothing in the rest of the chapter building to that moment. Just drops his obsession at a moment when he's never been more vindicated, and at a moment where it's never been more important to keep investigating the dark worlds because they are once again popping up and posing a threat to his family. It's a total change of heart that comes out of nowhere.
>>4102382>berdly, too, is used as a filler for dess' absence is there anyone in that shithole town asides from kris that isn't a dess analogue?
>>4102585>There are multiple moments that are basically theorybait and don't make much sense going through it normally.Because the game expects you to play through it AT LEAST twice counting normal and side b, maybe even more if its like undertale and you're locked out of content that's needed for the true end until you finish the game once.Feels like for the first run, Toby expects you to be like Susie where you take everything at face value before dropping a mindfuck twist on you in the end that forces you to reconsider everything on future playthroughs.
>>4102588Kris is also a Dess analogue, actually.
>>4102585You're supposed to not play the game in one big lump sum, so you have time to form theories as you play.
>>4102572why is he making merch for a demo?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5aS3lYOZyU
>>4102595he needs money to finish the game after donating all of it to BLM so he could get a blue checkmark on twitter
>>4102573I understand. I for one am just watching the nu Bandoris.
>>4102440>>4. Nuclear option: Ginger Dess (because she's Claus)...Gingerbread.Yeah she's going to be a ginger, 100%. There will also be a soulless ginger joke in there somewhere
>>4102615>dess doesn't have a soul, which is why she and carol filled the house with proxies this writing shit is easy
>>4102615A black ginger?
>>4102457I dont want to say he's 100% a hack even with my disappointment in Deltarune, because Undertale still exists and while Deltarune can ruin it with hindsight that's it's own failing not Undertale's. I think Deltarune suffers mostly from only about 10% of it being something Toby actually wanted to make and the rest is just "Oh, I have to do that in order for the 10% to actually function". Like he wanted to make something could tell you the time at a glance anywhere, and then groaned when he had to actually craft a real watch for that result.So many people take the dream origin as a cool and awesome thing, "Holy shit this game literally came to the developer in a dream?" hardly anyone looks at that statement as the red flag it is. A dream, especially a fever dream, isnt planned. Its barely even coherent. And THAT'S the basis of the game's entire existence? I think that alone should explain ALL the problems with Deltarune, it was not designed for being a game. He wants to retrofit a dream into a game's ending, so every single detail that has been crafted has been in service of making that happen. He didnt go in with the desire for a whole story, a whole game, he wanted that dream to be "in a game"
>>4102626The fact he basically used up all his context points in Chapters 1 and 2 while we've learned near-nothing new that doesn't just add even more unknowable mystery to something really does show he had no actual structure in mind, which probably would've been OK if Deltarune simply didn't come out beyond the demos until it was fully released since you could just ignore it all under "typical Japanese-inspired storytelling".But because we're stuck in this state of WAIT, it's far easier to be critical as it sets up extreme expectations for the landing point in 7 and 7B due to the fact Toby is dripfeeding us with these empty droplets and evidently can't figure out how to convey important information in a way that won't risk spoiling the entire narrative, fever dream ending included, from simple deduction work.
>>4102500>Mother 3 is a story written by an avid reader. Deltarune is a story written by a man who played a video game written by an avid reader.I can't find the source anymore, but before Toby even started to work on Undertale, he used to attend in meetings of a group in Boston that was specialized in non-standard storytelling. I think the fact that Undertale tries to anticipate and remember everything the player does stems from the influence of this group. Anyway, Toby was at some point very interested in storytelling techniques, maybe he lost interest and he's only obsessed with THE DREAM, who knows.
>>4102626>He wants to retrofit a dream into a game's endingHaving been in a really similar situation, it makes me a lot more lenient on the game's shortcomings. Turning a dream into a game doesn't allow you the same freedom as having a kinda cool idea. You can't kill your darling for a dream, even so much as twisting the nonsensical context of it feels like a violation of what it made you feel.That being said, when the ending is finally revealed, I will be much more critical of it. There's bound to be several things along the way that could have been done better that would have led to the exact same conclusion and feeling.
>>4102626Anon, stories starting out as a single idea, even an incoherent idea, is normal, and they're never planned out from the start. That's what the rest of the writing process is for. Every time you bring up the fever dream thing to dunk on the game, you out yourself as having no clue how writing works.
>>4102585>There are multiple moments that are basically theorybaitAnd? People who are into that sort of thing pick up on that instantly. You don't need years of digging through community shit to come up with ideas like "Knight=Dess" and "prophesy is vague on purpose" and "mantle predicts stuff" that are expected of you. Other stuff is just schizo theories born out of boredom. All those years matching every single piece of info in Deltarune and the fandom has embarrassingly little to show for it.
>>4102638>Toby is dripfeeding us with these empty droplets and evidently can't figure out how to convey important information in a way that won't risk spoiling the entire narrativePeople repeatedly insisting that none of the info we've gotten from the past few chapters is REALLY relevant are perhaps my least favorite voice in this fandom.
>>4102653considering that toby himself said that whatever 'info' we might have could be radically recontextualized, if not flat out wrong, in the latest newsletter really put a damper on people trying to figure things out
>>4102643Yes, but as you write you reform that idea, and a dream isnt treated the same as an idea. You dont want to make concessions on the dream, you cant change elements of it later. What you made in your sleep is what you get, if you change that you arent making that dream anymore. Generally you also end up having more you want to say as you write the story, the story itself doesnt become an obligation in the path to making the idea real, but when all you care about is building up to the dream, everything else will suffer. It hasnt sounded to me like Toby has anything more to say in his story outside of the dream, he's covering his mouth everytime he nearly says something, he's just going through the motions and praying he can stay above water while dropping crumbs to keep his crew from abandoning ship.
>>4102654Doesn't that mean chapter 1/2 info is equally as likely to be recontextualized? It's not like everything they set up already happened. Hell, look at one of the things that did. People thought chapter 2 was setting up a cool and impressive festival when the dark world Ferris wheel let you look out over a whole city. How do you see that and arrive at the conclusion that this is just a preview and the REAL Ferris wheel built in Bumfuck Nowhere aka Hometown, Massachusetts will be an even bigger event?
>>4102618Yes, it's Alex and Chondra's child
>>4102658There was foreshadowing in Queen's dialogue about "Noelle no-clipping somewhere".
>>4102643nta, but to add an example to this; james watson had a dream about two snakes intertwined. this dream led to the current double helix model of dna.
>>4102663Revelatory dreams tend to happen to people who are already deeply immersed in a subject because their unconscious mind is working over ideas at the same time as their conscious mind. Toby's fever dream was likely a crystallization of ideas he'd been trying, perhaps unconsciously, to display through his romhacks and music up to that point.
Toby's dream was about the main characters fighting against the Player.
Toby's dream was about sucking me off and swallowing the load
Toby's dream will let us goToby's dream will give us hopeToby's dream will save us all
>>4102654I really dont know what he was thinking in that newsletter, if you really look at it he's all the over the place>I dont keep up with fan theories (battat exists however)>Its a good thing you're theorizing because its like a time capsule of experiences (just said he doenst read them in the first place)>I know what I'm doing, the pacing is fine>The semi final chapter will only reveal 1 thing (This is fine pacing)Hell he even directly, word for word asks>"Isn’t it great that you’re here right now, playing this thing as it comes out?"When that idea no longer rings out to a lot of people as a good thing. He wants to celebrate a party he himself has been ruinning in a lot of people's eyes, like the dad in a sitcom messing with his kid's birthday
>>4102589How do you take things that are hidden from you but not Susie at face value?
>>4102671maybe people were right to be annoyed at tobyland during last year's anniversary
Is Toby Fox the videogame equivalent of Grant Morrison?
>>4102671>battat exists howeverToby Fox doesn't actually read or watch theories, but he ends up absorbing them via osmosis from looking at the UTDR "community".>just said he doenst read them in the first placeThis is a general statement that applies to most episodic series and him not reading theories doesn't contradict it.>I know what I'm doing, the pacing is fineYeah.>The semi final chapter will only reveal 1 thingHow many times do i have to remind you retard ESLs that "But one thing will be revealed" doesn't literally mean theres only one reveal????>When that idea no longer rings out to a lot of people as a good thing. He wants to celebrate a party he himself has been ruinning in a lot of people's eyes, like the dad in a sitcom messing with his kid's birthdayIt seems like this to you because you're a schizophrenic who thinks Toby Fox is out to get you. How is Toby Fox "RUINING YOUR PARTY"? Explain without sounding parasocial or delusional.
>>4102671>>I dont keep up with fan theories (battat exists however)Toby pays attention to fan content. Mike invaded all forms of fan content rather than staying mostly confined to theories.
>>4102682>>4102683He still uses the Mikes to bitch about fandom things, like how people apparently got the Bonus Boss Leitmotif wrong even though there was no evidence whatsoever anyone was interpreting it incorrectly.
How many times have these threads made an obvious misread of the post-chapter 5 newsletter to say that chapter 6 will suck or that Toby Fox hates them? It has to be in the triple digits at this point.>TOBY FOX SAID CHAPTER 6 WILL BE FIVE MINUTES LONG AND IT WON'T HAVE A NEW DARK WORLD>TOBY FOX SAID THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE REVEAL IN THE ENTIRE CHAPTER AND NOTHING WILL BE ADDRESSED>TOBY FOX SAID IT WAS LINEAR (he never said this at any point in time) SO THERE'LL BE NO SECRETS OR ROUTE DIVERGENCES AT ALL>TOBY FOX SAID HE WON'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING UNTIL THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF CHAPTER 7>TOBY FOX SAYS HE HATES THEORIES AND THAT HE WILL REWRITE THE PLOT TO DECONFIRM ALL OF THEM
toby fox's mean dream machine
>>4102682>>4102690Calling it again: Vagueposting is gonna ramp up to overdrive in chapter 6 just to accomodate Toby's desire to keep everything a secret.
>>4102687Yes. He uses the Mikes to comment on fandom things that have spread enough for him to notice without looking at explicit "theory" content.
>>4102690>>TOBY FOX SAYS HE HATES THEORIES AND THAT HE WILL REWRITE THE PLOT TO DECONFIRM ALL OF THEMToby is Scott Cawthon theory??
>>4102690I'd also like to say, that chapter 6 is quite heavily foreshadowed but any time speculation about it starts to sound too plausible people in this thread close their ears and go "LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" and dismiss it with no counterevidence, as some sort of retarded psychological defense mechanism.
>>4102695Chapter 6 won't elaborate on anything related to THAT DAY because Carol wouldn't want to talk about THAT DAY while Noelle's around, as she doesn't want to regress her poor daughter to that traumatized state from childhood of freezing up and having an episode just from hearing the word "December" out of context.
>>4102698i don't think toby is trolling anyone specific so he's not like scott
The words that BROKE all doomerfaggots...
>>4102703He's trolling CoL whether he knows it or not.
>>4102704>toby hasn't even gotten the mysteries written out doomGODS... we were correct yet again...
>>4102707Toby doesn't want to write the mysteries out because he could accidentally spoil himself on his own fever dream ending before he's ready to show it in Chapter 7.
>>4102690>It has to be in the triple digitsYes our IQ is in the triple digits. Cope, retard.
>>4102700Such amazing character writing.Truly Toby is the king of writing complex and realistic characters.
>>4102700carol is evil and homophobic though, she absolutely would traumatize her daughter for reasons
>tfw deltarune will never be like this againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8jCS2nSMmI
>chapter 7b starts>kris completely covered in noelle powder crawling out of the sewers>looks directly into the screen with hyper realistic blood eyes and tells you his pronouns were always he/him and the misgendering ends now>*draws shinzo steel*
>>4102731This but Kris says they are She/her and she rapes You in real life.
>>4102733Good luck coding that shit. Sounds like an absolute nightmare to implement.
>>4102690I still think it's just boredom settling in. We haven't had anything official to discuss for a while.
Delta(his)rune
prediction, toby is gonna make a "you need to turn off the game or you're le heckin evil chud!!! thanks for the money btw" message like he did with eb:hh
>>4102754>By stop he means turn off the gameWriters love this kind of story, thinking its deep, and not realizing how it comes across to the player.
>>4102754Even in peepee.exe this kind of player evil message is far less obnoxious, I don't think Deltarune will get THIS bad
>>4102754Yeah but that was before his dream. His dream made him at least turn the Player into a Neutral force that can give the characters their best outcome (True Pacifist) or the worst possible one (Genocide)
>>4102756a big flaw of that philosophy is the fact that the player had already spent money on the game and had gone through multiple hours of the game, you can't just "quit" at that point (in deltarune's case, especially if you've spent a gorillion years waiting for the final chapter), it's easy for devs to preach that shit because they're the ones benefitting from people buying their game so it doesn't matter to them whether you finish it or stop playing because you'll never get your money and time back, but it's not a tactful "lesson" for busy people who have limited free time and just wanna have fun without being told "you should've turned the game off bucko"
>>4102762No, I don't think it's because of money or time investment. You will simply get no acknowledgement from the game that you stopped playing. There is no feedback to this "decision" and you will come to it naturally anyway when the game is over. It's not a moral choice to not play the game because it doesn't have any consequences. You might as well say that people who never played Undertale are evil because they have condemned monsterkind to forever suffer underground, it just sounds deranged.
sasuga, jannitor
>>4102765>FRIEND woke upFixed
Jarona
>>4102754i really doubt that toby's literal dream game that he's been compelled to work on for 15+ years is going to end the same way his 3edgy5you romhack did.he already grew past that mindset with undertale.
>>4102406Like this
>>4102671Yeah, it's obvious the people who are going to play the full game when 7 releases are going to be the real winners.
>>4102754That isn't "turn the game off or you're evil".It's "your only real choice is to decide you don't want to see any more".Just like in Undertale.
>>4102690He said it was straightforward compared to other chapters though.
>>4102771undertale ended with the same shit lmao
>>4102764The position Undertale takes isn't moral. Its stance on whether you keep playing or quit is not based on you being a bad person or not.
>>4102731Then Eram shows up and nukes Kris while revealing they were the Vessel the whole time.
>>4102771i don't think he hashe has an itch he's been wanting to scratch for over half of his life now, deltarune is his last shot at doing it while pople still care
>>4102774undertale has a million routes so you have a choice, plus, being told that you shouldnt be doing the other routes to make your money worth the purchase is silly, we arent gonna get our money back so why should we throw in the towel early?
>>4102671I think he was still really rattled from people's negative opinion of chapter 5 and, without a PR guy, just said what was on his mind.I'm positive that the next morning, he really regretted that newsletter, especially the whole part with how chapter 6 is shorter than only reveals one thing. Why he thought that was a good idea to say after people complained that 5 gave us nothing is a mystery
>>4102782Undertale has a million routes so you have a lot to see. The routes you don't wind up doing are stuff you choose not to see. You might choose not to do something because you think it'd be repetitive, because it would minimize your favorite part of the game, or any number of further reasons.The stuff you decide do and see yourself, and thus the experience it gives you in real life, is the choice that has real meaning. Because everything about the game world can be reset, but your mind generally can't be.
You know what we haven't discussed in a long time?What is on the other side of the lake?Who is on the other side of the lake?In chapter 4 Susie say's they can hear someone playing music on the other side of the lake and in chapter 5 Noelle tries to make Kris cross the river.Is the person on the other side of the lake the one who's "with you in the dark"?Who are they?
>>4102699Please elaborate on what you think Chapter 6 will be about, then.
>>4102791______________________________Papyrus______________________________
>>4102791The other side of the lake is a grayscale version of hometownSusie was hearing that Hometown's theme (since the background music is canon and can be heard by the characters)
>>4102791It's not the other side, it's what's under the lake, and it's a way to reach the darkness underground Flowery mentions.
>>4102796>since the background music is canon and can be heard by the charactersWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>4102690I never wanted to be a doomer but I can't deny that Toby has shot theory-crafting in the foot by saying "it will be short with one reveal"Hard to really go crazy with theories after that
>>4102791I genuinely have no idea. We have almost nothing to go off of. Will Kris and Noelle cross the lake or will they fall beneath it? Monochrome glitch land or Depths?
>>4102798>Kris plays various themes that show up in the game on the piano>Ralsei's comment about the next room having a boss with a unique and memorable theme>Also he hates it when you play Flower Man on the chapter 4 organThey hear the music, I guess they just consider it a part of the laws of physics in their world
>>4102778It's just as an example of how nonsensical it might sound to involve playing or not playing a game into any sort of moral choice inside the game.
>>4102804No, idiot. That's only inside the Dark World where everything is like a video game; even Noelle notices the contrast of her "dream" with the real world.
>>4102767Xhe's no FRIEND of mine
>>4102806Yeah. Which is why I don't believe Undertale is trying to make that point. I'm pretty sure Toby has never tried. Even the Halloween Hack doesn't read that way to me.
>>4102764really?
Toby is going to include the line "Press the B button, stupid!" somewhere in the last chapters
>>4102816that will be Switch/PC Controller exclusive
>>4102816Hasn't Ralsei already said a variation of that several times?
>>4102820A variation doesnt count, its not an epic reference if you reword it
https://youtu.be/bpVdcHow45g
>>4102816>Kris reaches ERAM's lair alone>ERAM is sitting on an oversized majestic chair holding a cup of wine filled with strawberry juice>Kris: Die, monster! You don't belong in this world!
>>4102820yeah
>>4102762They also love exempting themselves from the "you're evil for playing the game" message because otherwise they admit they themselves are evil for CREATING the scenario in the first place.
>Oh hey Susie doesn't realize Noelle likes her, wonder where that's going>she just realizes Noelle likes her sometime inbetween chaptersSeriously what was the point
>>4102771Deltarune is literally rehashing a bunch of things he already did in the Halloween hack, and this is after Undertale did the same thing, and even side projects like SFB and such.>>4102754It's gonna be the most obnoxious ending possible that video essay types will masturbate around forever for being artsy and shit.
Post-suselle Noelle
>y-you.. you're evil!yeah so what NIGGA? I'M GETTING MY [[FREEDOM SAUCE]] NO MATTER WHAT
>>4102835Drama unironically
>>4102835She had realized it since she told her "it doesn't has to be a dream" in the ferris wheel.Why she kept acting clueless after that is the real question.
>>4102837>He/Him KrisIt's shit...
>>4102838>thinking DELTARUNE will ever give you the pleasure of a total victory
>>4102841Shut up, yurifag. Nobody asked you.
>>4102842Geno did if you weren't a little bitch and tried to back out at the last possible second.
>>4102837Why do dykes always fight with each other when they live together?
>>4102837I wonder if we're going to get a lot of spiteful art like this after Deltarune ends.
>>4102837>Single mom (adopted) Susie went out to get some milk and never came back kek
>>4102843You gotta admit though that Milf Kris with Milf Noelle would be hot though.
>>4102844being a submissive bitch to a demonic loli ain't my thingi pulverized flowey and that's that
I haven't seen a SINGLE theory that explains the knight's motivations. What are they trying to do?
>>4102838Kris moments before being USED UP.
>>4102837>implying Kris isn't 100% six feet under by the time credits rollI love Noelle suffering
>>4102844Geno ending is the EXACT OPPOSITE of getting your way with the game.An actual example of that is the UTY genocide ending where you get scot-free with everything AND you let the protagonist achieve all his objectives.
>>4102851Chara is your loyal servant according to the demon texts though.
>>4102840Because she didn't yet have Carol provoking her into making a bold declaration to stake her claim, nor did she have the prophecy telling her "yes, this is meant to be, go get your girl".
>>4102854I'm almost certain that's supposed to be Chara and not Kris.
>>4102856No I literally killed everyone and I erased the world. I literally escaped all consequences.
>>4102852knight is dess and is forcing kris to fulfill some promise
>>4102861you brick your save file from the golden ending after thatyou break your toy if you play with it this particular way, thus it is a consequence
>>4102861Now you can't get the happiest ending anymore if you ever decide you want to come back, restore the world and play the game again, because Chara will possess Frisk and seemingly murder everyone to remind you of your actions.That's the consequence.
>>4102860It is Chara, but both are practically the same so you get my point. Besides with Kris using the golden seeds to commit suicide next chapter the parallel will become even more obvious. God, I'm so excited to see Noelle's reaction to Kris's death literally right after Rudy passes away in the hospital.I cannot wait to see Noelle's mind completely shatter from back-to-back trauma.
>>4102868If Kris tries killing himself, reality will sperg out and rewrite itself so he was never trying to do that in the first place, just like how it prevents the Cage's death in Chapter 5 "Aborted" Weird Route when you let him and Noelle drown.He can only try to sudoku AFTER the prophecy is concluded, which will be at the very end of Chapter 7.
>>4102863*knight is some dude posing as dess and is tricking kris to fulfill some promise
>>4102872>deliberately set up the mystery of "who is the Knight?" by having Susie DEMAND it tell her IMMEDIATELY when it first appears, and even have her ask Gerson for hints>"lol it's just some irrelevant rando new character you've never heard of before up until now"Deltarune fans always pose the very challenging idea daily: What if the entire game sucked
>>4102838>>4102842>>4102856the best evil ending way to beat this game while throwing everything in chaos is losing to omega flowey then closing the game so that timeline is doomed forever by 7 souls god flowey torturing and raping every human and monster for eternity, it's a more morally worse ending than genocide, and because letting flowey win and wreck shit is what you sought for, you get exactly what you asked for so none of that "you didnt get the pleasure of a total victory" bs applies here
>>4102871This. Kris suicide, if it's happening, is happening at the end, as part of the prophecy. It happening earlier would just be either a Game Over screen with an option to continue or a repeat of Aborted WR 5.
>>4102877Personally my favorite ending outside of Genocide is all fight Neutral. You leave the underground a complete mess with no hope of things getting better and attaining freedom, and the human world outside keeps living as usual.
>>4102866>>4102867delete the system_information file from the save file folders, you get away with the geno run scotfree kek
>>4102871>>4102878What if Kris dying in the Light World actually sends them to the Depths instead of giving you a game over screen? Basically like what happens in the Chapter 5 WR.
>>4102871>Kris causes the Roaring>"not my problem" *pops the seeds*
>>4102883Still too soon, the prophecy says three heroes must arrive at world's edge, and while the world draws her final breath, they seal the fountains, banish ANGEL'S HEAVEN, and enact the last tragedy, only then will the worlds be saved and the prophecy be deemed complete.
>>4102877I would never let that faggot flower win. Besides he'd get bored of murdering reality sooner or later.
>>4102885Pretty much. Chara never shows up, which is the only reason he's lashing out, so he eventually just loses all the will to live because he's truly done everything he can in the known universe, erases it all, kills himself to make it final, and leaves an oblivion identical to the one you create in Genocide.
what if 2G actually meant chapter 2 side G
any thoughts on what ralsei could be?
>>4102891What are sides B through F then
>>4102880You know if you ignore the screams of your sins, you do treat the story like its any other rpg that way. The human shows up, stops the monsters from being able to threaten humanity, and then humanity can continue to rule in relative peace. There's just no one you've actually helped around to confirm this to you anywhere on the road, if Frisk told the surface about this they'd be hailed for it
>>4102892cum sockcrayontreebottomdemonshapeshifting eldritch being of pure darknessalternate timeline asgoredess and asriel's aborted kidtitan jr.satan
>>4102892He's the Gooey (Kirby) of Deltarune, a Titan who somehow gained compassion.
>>4102880neutral run is the best ending because you can kill whatever character you don't like and make the world better or worse depending on what you seek for (such as the king papyrus ending being a pragmatic net positive for humans and monsters due to king papyrus being the most peaceful king that wouldnt destroy humanity once monsters are free, and even papyrus himself benefits due to this ending giving him something better than a royal guard and he can make new friends with rich snobby monsters instead of a shitty fish "friend" who infantilizes him and cant even muster up the will to tell him that she wont let him in to the royal guard for being autistic and nice) and the neutral run even comes with its own geno run-lite ending that essentially achieves the same result as the geno run (all monsters get BTFO'd) without the world being destroyed and without the tainted save files thing
>monsters bad because they tried to attack meI see we're back in 2015
>>4102893according to me making shit up completely as i go: 7B, 1C, 3D, 4E, 5F, and 2G
>>4102892A faggot. A faggot tree. A faggot Darkner based on Kris's red horned headband/Asriel. ERAM
>>4102896i like titansei but i wonder how does it fit into the prophecy
>>4102894frisk is a kid that wouldnt be arrested for killing, and if historians looked at what the monsters were capable of, they'd agree that monsters had to go
>>4102892part of my harem
>>4102892Imagine if ERAM isn't the demon Kris and Catti summoned, but this sissy goat.
The demon that comes when people say it's name.
>>4102898the undertale monsters are bad because they threaten to kill humanity (with them being willing to overthrow peaceful queen toriel and put renown human racist undyne up as the queen if you at least only kill 10 core mercenaries hired by mettaton specifically to kill you, Asgore wouldn't have felt so pressured to go through the human genocide plan shit if monsters were actually le good and would've gladly accepted asgore giving up on it all along btw) and it only takes one dickhead monster to turn the entire surface into Fallout New Vegas, such as, say, a monster like Muffet getting butthurt and deciding to get rid of humanity after laying her hands on a human soul
>>4102898>NPCs are almost never held up to the same moral standards the player character isYeah I know you hate when people question anything about the game who loves to question things, but aren't you tired of how we've seen the same exact thing play out again for over a decade?We just had the grown ass ghost try to kill a bunch of teenagers for the most retarded reason possible and the story never brings up how messed up it is.
>>4102903I've seen multiple times people just, forget that Humanity at large in Undertale lack in sympathy for the Monsters. The assumption that a No Mercy Frisk/Genocide Clover would be treated as a bad guy when back on the surface, or that there'd be a sizable group of people who disagree with the act of monster hunting, is more common than it should be because otherwise it challenges the idea that what you did was just totally evil and purposeless.Imagine Clover too, Frisk doesnt have much proof no matter what but Clover literally takes Asgore's soul. He has the equivelant of the monster king's severed head to show off, so many depictions of that would be made and revered for ages of human history to come
>>4102905maybe ralsei has a more masculine-looking lucifer esque true form
>>4102908>The player killing random pixels is bad>Random pixels trying to kill you is fineHm...
>>4102866>>4102867That's only if you return to the world you erased which isn't needed anymore. You're supposed to move on.
>>4102910Probably doesn't. But he should.
>>4102907Don't forget, Muffet is evil to other monsters too, in genocide if you stall her out, one of her dialogues is outright lamenting that she didn't trap Alphys to kill her and use her remains for ingredients.We only see a fraction of the Underground, as Toby says, so we don't truly know how many monsters just like Muffet are out there, ones who don't need monetary incentive or authoritarian dogma to consider killing others without a shred of conscience.
>>4102868That artist draws Kris and Chara the exactly same lol
>>4102912No actually its more like Random Pixels fighting Random Pixels is just nature, You fighting Random Pixel is badLike Spriggans in the elder scrolls
>>4102910i hope his true form is still girly in some way. maybe womanlyish
>>4102892The horned red headband buried underground.
if you have some sort of special power...isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?
>>4102919headband theory has been disproved so many times
>>4102909>Imagine Clover tooHe doesn't exist/isn't canon so I won't.
if you have some change in you pocket... isnt it your responsibility to do the right thing?
>>4102921Yeah, not letting vile creatures like Muffet reach humanity.
I Imagine having sex with Clover.
>>4102922When and why? Because ERAM is the red horned headband?
>>4102909You don't even need to worry about Undertale Yellow to prove your point, Undertale itself outright tells you humans DESPISE monsters because someone as innocent-looking and fluffy as Asriel can be gunned down without a shred of mercy for daring to show his face in front of human civilization.
I could yap about why XYZ did or didn't happen as usual, but the truth is that I'm just done. I can't enjoy myself anymore with this game even when it tries to do that>inb4 "don't you have anything better to do?"Trust me, I don't. This is the last thing I was genuinely looking forward to, and the last I'll be able to.The perverted sentimentally sticks with you this bad.
>>4102927chapter 3. ralsei says he's never seen a movie, then there's a flashback where kris is wearing the headband. in 5, flowery calls him an impossibility -- there's nothing impossible an object-based darkner even if it is buried underground
>>4102928>completely ignoring the human soul infused monster is supposed to look like an abominationtry reading the text of the game next time
>>4102912>the player killing random pixels isn't bad, they'll be upset though>the pixels can't kill the player in turn, the worst they can do is delay them
>>4102928>>4102931also he was holding a dead child
>>4102929Play other games, dude. Read a book. Watch movies. Have sex, etc.
>>4102931That was never stated or confirmed. Omega Flowey is Flowey deliberately looking creepy because he's an edgy child, and a monster with human souls seems to be able to choose its form freely given Asriel first appears as his original kid self before becoming his OC donut steel.
>>4102935Get lost, I already inb4'd you.
>>4102936how is the god of hyperdeath his oc donut steel
>>4102929Tony's Ultimate Trick...
>>4102936>That was never statedNta but in Undertale there's an old painting that represents a monster with a human soul, and Frisk/Chara mentions it looks like something bizarre and without a clear form.
>>4102929dragon quest 7 believes in you
>>4102937Find love, get a well paid job, have two kids with your gf and then buy a home, get a dog and be happy.
>>4102909Lots of people forget that their perspective isn't the default. The people who think about monsters as potentially friendly characters and victims of a mistake from generations past forget that the default for humanity is being scared of them. The people who think about monsters as aggressors and walking nukes who need to stay underground forget that in practice, a monster can't personally threaten a human.>otherwise it challenges the idea that what you did was just totally evil and purposelessWhat you did was purposeless and pretty evil in-universe, but humanity wouldn't see it that way. That's all, really.
>>4102936>That was never stated or confirmed>* A monster with a human SOUL...>* A horrible beast with unfathomable power.>* (It's an illustration of a strange creature...)>* (There's something very unsettling about this drawing.)
>ralsei is [thing] buried undergroundbut how does he move around
>>4102945Well in case of treesei, he has roots everywhere anyways
>>4102941not /col/>>4102942>Get stuck for the rest in your live in a shitty marriage, loose all personal freedom, get swallowed by bills.Not falling for this shit.
>>4102946i kiiiinda feel like>Says the impossibility himself. kinda disproves treesei too
>>4102929>making a videogame your entire lifeYou are the kind of dude Toby would make fun of tbqh
>>4102949>Not falling for this shit.Dammit, almost got you. Next time I won't miss.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbiX4xNoBY
>>4102907>>4102912Aren't the mercenaries be apart of Alphys' kayfabe? The goal being to convince Frisk to stay with Alphys and not be killed by Asgore?
>>4102929have faith. 5 was bad but 6 and 7 could be amazing. hell even 5 had the best weird route segment so far
>>4102950Toby was also correct when he said Ralsei doesn't get mixed up with flowers, otherwise the flowers would've wondered why a "fellow flower" was trying to look like a miniature Asgore instead of a human.
>>4102953Yeah I thought at worst Mettaton had changed their positions around to make Alphys look like a fool and hopefully blow her cover. Like the puzzles, if he wanted Frisk dead any more than Alphys did, he could've made much more radical changes.
ralsei is the manifestation of kris' ideal male partner
>>4102956i hadn't even considered that, but you're right
>>4102953No, the CORE is where Mettaton derails from Alphys's script and takes matters into his own hands. He restructured the whole place to sabotage her railroading, hired the elite goons, and exposes her ruse before making it very abundantly clear he DOES want to kill Frisk for real.
>>4102951Once a neckbeard, always a neckbeard.
>>4102955Your mentality is the exact reason I have zero hope for the game.
>>4102956A tree is not a flower, but I get you
>>4102953its confusing, because Muffet's also hired as a mercenary against you, its very much not an act, and her description of the guy who contracted her does not line up with Mettaton no matter how much people say it does and its very clearly supposed to be indicating Flowey
>>4102960You make it sound more messed up than it actually played
>>4102962That's the most reasonable hopefag, what's your problem
>>4102963there are tree darkners though. like the bonsai
>>4102967>what's your problemhopelessly chapter 2 pilled
>>41029531. Mettaton literally tells you that he hired them before his mtt ex fight (plus, it can be inferred that he also hired Muffet in his EX form)2. in the TPE epilogue thing, if you check the core, you'll find one of the mercenaries (portrayed as the usual black npc) who tells you that they were hired by mettaton and that the pay he gave them was shit.3. Alphys is visibly shocked about them being there at all4. they can literally beat you down to 0 HP until you die, it can't get more explicit than that
>>4102966He literally wants to take Frisk's SOUL for himself so he can become the biggest star of both monsterkind and humanity, and as we see in the King Mettaton ending that's very much something that has terrible potential to spiral into a worldwide dictatorship once he starts compounding souls to make sure his claim to fame is uncontested.
>Suselle is meant to mirror Friskphys, where Aphys left Frisk to go fuck a fish in a boring sauceless romanceWhat are we supposed to make of this
>>4102965what toby was trying to imply through muffet without explicitly revealing mettaton hiring guys early was that Mettaton was in his mtt ex or neo form, and that muffet saw him transform in the dark too
>>4102974Isn't frisk a kid
>>4102965Flowey can't completely change his form without human souls though, so if it wasn't Mettaton then it's entirely possible the vagueness was on purpose and meant to imply an unseen character from the wider underground who heard about Frisk and wanted to take a stab at the kid without directly trying anything.
>>4102976Yes but the game makes it abundantly clear that Alphys' feelings are romanticMake of this what you will
>>4102974>What are we supposed to make of thisThere will be a scene later on where we control susie, can "pick" who she likes, and if you pick kris you get commentary from her that combines the participation trophy of Mettaton's response with the emotion of Alphys face for picking Frisk as her crushRalsei is the Asgore in this situation except its in the exact opposite direction in terms of power dynamic
>>4102974Alphys at no point has ever expressed a desire to fuck Frisk, if anything, Asgore would be the cucked Kris esque guy in this scenario due to alphys being in love with Asgore before switching to Undyne
>>4102975That makes no sense because he refers to his new transformation in the fight as it's "Debut", and its not a transformation he can use at will it requires someone else to do it. It also doesnt make sense at all why he'd shapeshift there in the dark where no one can witness him>>4102977>Flowey can't completely change his form without human souls thoughHe can do the thing where his face comes out of the flower like some slime creature and laugh, that's what Muffet is refering to
why does Ralsei make his healing spell miss? couldnt toby make it say "0"?
>>4102972>Somehow missed that mettaton is as dangerous as spamton and for kinda similar reasons The differences 2015 and 2021 visuals/presentation make
>>4102970A patternfag, eh? I'm so sorry
>>4102982He was too busy ripping off FFV in that moment
>>4102982It's an oldschool JRPG reference where instead of displaying zero, attacks/spells that have no effect just say "miss".
>>4102982because he was missing flowery on purpose
>>4102981Mettaton is hiring his identity when hiring the guys because he didnt want to risk his career blowing up, plus, it's not hard to push the button on his back, his arms are long enough for that and he can always rub his back against the wall to flip the switch, his transformation in the fight is the debut because its the first time it's shown in tv, and well, obviously he wouldnt say "I USED THIS TRANSFORMATION OFF SCREEN SO ITS NOT AN ACTUAL DEBUT" on front of the cameras
>>4102983>The Kromering AU where WR Spamton wins
>>4102922Not really, especially not in the way of a buried object anyways.
>>4102989"The damage was done in the light world, Ralsei can't heal light world damage"Is what someone who is a tool would sayRalsei didnt want his ass in Castletown lol
>>4102926Based three headed cat enjoyer.
>>4102982flowery was harmed in the light world. ralsei's magic is only effective in the dark world, for dark world injuries >>4102992explain how an object being buried makes it any different from a regular object
>>4102993This, "healing wouldn't work" would make sense with Susie but Ralsei is literally a Titan, a being of darkness who can affect the Light World (church getting fucked up after the Titan went crazy in Third Sanctuary).
>>4102995so why could tenna be repaired huh?
>>4102938Everything shows that it is? I'm sure Deltarune is going to make that even more obvious, too.
>>4102990Okay but, WHY. For what reason would he transform IN FRONT of Muffet, but still obscured? It neither hides his identity, nor shows it off (which is half his character motivation, showing himself off). Flowey has a reason to be changing shape and laughing, we can see him on screen doing exactly like that.A better way for her to imply Mettaton wouldve been something like "Im not sure who hired me, but whoever they are they were a total square" so you THINK it's Alphys, but then realize on replay she's being literal and its Mettaton
>>4102997Flowery's a living being (a flower) and Knight literally bisected him, Tenna's just a TV who's only alive as a Darkner.
>>4102945The object is in the depths so it can just physically move to each Dark World.
>>4102831>God is evilDidn't really think this through, did you? Yes, the game exists as a potential for you to let bad things happen, but you are the one choosing to make those bad things happen by playing the game.
Living concepts aren't binded by light world dark world limits ERAM and FRIENDs, Ralsei, the knight and the titans all impact the light and dark world because they're living concepts
>>4102974Alphys was never in love with Frisk, she isn't a lolicon.
>>4103000mettaton didnt transform in front of her, he went off somewhere else, muffet checked up on him and saw him transform, she didnt say that he transformed in the middle of the conversation lolalso the "total square" idea is too obvious and spoils the mettaton thing
>>4102996>Ralsei is literally a Titan, a being of darkness who can affect the Light Worldit's cool but it's weird. the prophecy panel shows ralsei using fire magic, titans don't use that at all i feel like he has to be something separate, even if i do love the idea >>4102997i don't know. but i feel that's more the game needing a way to entice you into recruiting every enemy in 3
>>4103001flowers can be saved by taping actually so itd still work
>>4102995Connection to the depths.
>>4103003>comparing a mere mortal man to GodIs God selling his creation to other Gods, not telling them that by engaging with his creating, they are evil for doing so?
>>4103005yeah, judging from deltarune she's an equal opportunity pedo
>>4103007Titans are shadow/echo, not every shadow/echo is a titan unless you think the funny shadow people in ch 3 are titans
oh my god taped flowery is just going to look like light world rudy and thats what sets noelle off isnt iteven in the dark world, she cant escape her issues
>>4102894It's crazy how a little kid falls into a hole full of monsters, can kill all of them as they all try to murder him, then singlehandedly amasses enough strength to destroy the entire world.
>>4102984>A patternfagPartly, but also just a desire for the game to not take itself too seriously and keep on delivering it's own clichés.
>>4103007Maybe, just as Dark Worlds are based on the will of the fountain maker, the form of the Titan is based on the will of its creator.We also see a lot of darkness imagery throughout Chapter 4 that looks similar to fire, but isn't, so maybe the prophecy panel is actually showing motes of darkness and Ralsei's fire magic is just a strange quirk of his given the type of monster he's trying to resemble.
>>4102906>Hey, Ralsei!>Unhh...! *wet spot forms on his pants*Probably doesn't mean anything.
Ralsei is the concept of feminization
>>4103012alright. true but i do wonder why the tutorial npc who knows everything about the prophecy would be a titan, aka a force of total destruction; even if it's gained kindness. to be honest i question the impossibility line as well -- when did ralsei become "impossible"? was he always that way? i guess what i'm trying to say is, if a titan that's gained sentience is "impossible", then why is it part of the prophecy?
>>4103013the flowers were a one and done, they aren't coming backunless susie is actually far more unhinged than she already seems to be and goes back to the flower shop and takes them to castle town
>>4103019When you stare at ralsei's crotch long enough, you start to see the genitals your head imagines them having
i find it funny how susie literally says that the dark worlds are a "special kris and susie thing that no one can take away and is better if it's just the two of us" then immediately afterwards she says that it needs to be noelle's thing too
The LEGEND was such a good song with such a good climax it's a shame the game is a comedy not a tragedy and it will not live up to the hype
>>4102915>MUFFET BADHow about not thinking with your logic and morals for once?
>>4103019it's interesting how both trannies and femboys long for the ideal of effortless, truly female femininity in males. but such a thing is only possible in fiction
>>4102921Why? No one with wealth and power sees fit to help the world, in fact it's usually those with less that seek to do more. So as someone more powerful than monsters, it is my duty to make them suffer.
>>4103026Why don't they just fuck women is what I don't understand
>>4103020>then why is it part of the prophecy?Maybe he isn't, maybe it really was supposed to be Asriel, or someone else who was the lonely prince of deepest dark.That's the thing with the prophecy, it's loose and open to interpretation, and if someone that fits a criteria rolls into a necessary role or event, the prophecy just goes with it as long as it can continue to progress its timeline of happenings.
>>4103025>making muffet fatew.
>>4103021>unless susie is actually far more unhinged than she already seems to be and goes back to the flower shop and takes them to castle townYou KNOW she's going to try, she's big on trying to defy the bad parts of fate, she wont just "accept" tragedy like that. That'll be the big twist of ch5. The castle visit happens, this is your LAST chance to see it in a casual state, Noelle eventually goes "Hey what's in that room?" and Susie takes her and Kris (who has not seen it yet either) in to see a bed ridden Flowery who looks just like Rudy in the hospital bed and Noelle just explodes
>>4103025muffet is not fat enough>>4103030nah
>TFW Noelle Snowgraves her own mother in ch 6
>>4102931Kek>he was ugly so that's humanity was justified in obliterating himYou're next, sub-5.
>>4103028it's something like this
>>4103023You laugh. Kris is on the verge of suicide and you laugh.
>>4103026Yeah, that's why I only look for 2d traps. In real life I can get 95% of the experience with a flat chested woman anyway.>>4103028Those want to BE the trap, not to fuck them.
>>4103029>That's the thing with the prophecy, it's loose and open to interpretation, and if someone that fits a criteria rolls into a necessary role or event, the prophecy just goes with itdo we have proof of this? because i was under the impression the prophecy is very strict and set in stone, to the point of knowing tiny details like jockington growing a beard
Kris and Noelle look the same to Susie I don't think she understands they are separate people
>>4103034I'll shoot a skinwalker in the face no matter how hard it tries to be my friend
>>4103028femboys at least are (usually) mentally well enough to understand that they're male, from my limited understanding of them most of them seem to accept being the 'female' of their relationship, so being more feminine appearing makes sense even if they're no illusion of them actually being sowith trannies it's mental illness combined with being a fetish
>>4103028things can look 1:1 to one another, but still be incredibly different. it's like salt and sugar, or vodka and water. or lolis and lolibabas. or milfs and "milfs". the differences matter a lot to those into it
>Some new Berd analysis video pops>They are finally noticing how Berdly is at most Catti tier supporting character waaaaay behind Noelle with how little he did in the festivalFeel kinda bad for the Berdsisters, but they should have checked the Gaster list lmao
>>4103033the asian american woman experience
>>4103039susie has prosopagnosia theory
>>4102944>something very unsettlingThis could mean literally anything. Look at how many interpretations there are of every little interaction or expression in DR. "Unsettling" does not automatically mean "Cronenberg monster."
>>4103039We just need to fuse Kris and Noelle together then
>>4103035Yeah it's just estrogen poisoning let's be rational here
>>4103033This could be cool but imagine the meltdown on Twitter and Tumblr
>>4103038Queen's chariot was stopped by god himself causing a traffic jamThe prophecy didn't prevent Toby from causing a traffic jam, it made giga queen the unstoppable chariotThe prophecy is quite flexible so long as the wording is followed
>>4103025She ATE them and LAUGHED about it..
>>4103050Meltdown? They'd be cheering because Noelle is "finally reclaiming her autonomy" and "punishing" Carol for being homophobic. Did you forget snowflakes love fantasizing about murdering their enemies?
>>4103050>This could be cool but imagine the meltdown on Twitter and TumblrIt is beautiful
>>4103024It's a tragicomedy, like Undertale and Homestuck
>>4103043burghly is in a tier above catti, even if he's ultimately irrelevant to the story at large he's actually one of the few characters more important than the chaff despite not being a main character himself
>>4103043>Catti tier supporting characterStill doesn't make sense when the fucker has the full package of sound bit, portrait, leitmotif, and showing up as an enemy in battle MULTIPLE times.
>>4103051erm, queen's chariot is giga queen nowthat was not stopped
>>4103038Some parts are truly set in stone and hard to interpret differently like Jockington's beard, but others are vague and open to interpretation, which is why there was a lot of initial speculation about why the soul got stolen and the Vessel was discarded when people finished 3+4, since "the cage, with soul and human parts" can describe Vessel just as much as it does Kris.
>>4103024seeing THE LEGEND..? after neverending night for the first time was one of the most kino things i've seen in a long timegenuinely don't think toby can top the last hour of ch4, he accidentally made it perfect, like spamton
>>4103052You would let her eat you, don't lie.
>>4103011Nah she straight up says she doesn't Frisk in Undertale bro.
>>4103053It's more that they called Toby orientalist for 5. I can see them claiming he's misogynistic for refusing to develop a female character, instead he introduced her and then killed her off. Noelle and Susie just don't count in their eyes >>4103054Kek.
>>4103014That's because of her connection with Chara and (you), a regular kid can't do what Frisk can.
>>4103060Besides the final panel shattering before we can read it, yeah.
>>4103041femboys and their chasers are in a weird prey predator situation since the first ones undergo twink death at like 29 while the others have to change preys when that happens. it's really a shame some of them troon out and permanently ruin their lives to add even more insult to the injury
>>4103060I feel like ch 6 will be stronger than expected and ch 7 is going to be more divisive while leaving people wondering "what the fuck"
>>4103057I would put him like one of the flowers in 5 but behind Flowery in ch2, but honestly i can't really blame them, he had those things like you said so people expected him to be almost like Noelle in terms of relevance
>>4103033itll be this image but replace varik with carol
>>4103066twink death is such an odd concept to me. i mean, even women can't dress like 20 year old e-girls when they're in their 30s. for men, hrt doesn't really slow nor does it stop secondary aging, so you're going to get more masculine no matter what (unless you lucked out and won the generic lottery, aka a ton of east asian men). i guess part of the issue is that most femboys don't have a genuine interest in fashion or beauty rituals.
>>4103068so the exact same thing that happened to TADC?
>>4103066why are femboys considered prey in this situation?
>>4103060and then we got the clown show that was chapter 5
>>4103060>genuinely don't think toby can top the last hour of ch4, he accidentally made it perfect, like spamtonchapter 5 weird route exists
>>4103069Not even the flowers besides Flowery get all that.I'd say Berdly is more comparable to Lancer, though Lancer appeared in more dark worlds.
>>4103072you mean everybody going "wtf" then "deltarune sucks they couldve done so and so instead" and then the fanmade concepts era kicks in then the original media is forgotten forever?
>>4103072Nah it'll be better than that
>>4103071>even women can't dress like 20 year old e-girls when they're in their 30sThey aren't eternal teenagers but most woman remain womanly for most of their lives. Even a 50yo woman can take care of herself and still look feminine, but men can hardly achieve that past 25.
>>4103043Never forget the list has the order of how important each character is, too.
>>4103077I recall episode 8 having a better reaction compared to all of the later ones.
>>4103073because their type fades away quickly, forcing the other to be in a predator situation. as i've said
>>4103068i believe it, solely because it's based on. fever dreamshit's gonna get MAD weird, and just like the WR CH4&5 nobody will be able to predict anything
>>4103081episode 8 was the chapter 4 of tadc, the last tadc episode will be deltarune's chapter 7
>>4103078Since there are factors like gameplay and having 2 shots at an ending (A and B) going on
>>4103079>but most woman remain womanly for most of their livesnot most. most women do what most men do and let themselves go, then menopause comes and they become more masculine. just google older conservative female repubs, so many of them look like trannies >but men can hardly achieve that past 25if they took care of themselves and learned to dress for their body shape, as well as wore makeup then it's very possible to achieve. there was a 40-50 year old femboy making the rounds on twitter a while ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7H4ariiMmQthe burning eyes reprise will be peak just you wait
>>4103084Once again this game's story is nothing without Weird route
>>4103084Omega flowey and true lab sorta stuff probably not far off anyways
>>4103072toby fox and goose are two entirely different dudes so i don't see the point in comparing tadc and dr
>>4103087>not most. most women do what most men do and let themselves go, then menopause comes and they become more masculine. >just google older conservative female repubs, so many of them look like tranniesAnon correlation is not causation...
>>4103089dude I thought the last fucking shadow crystal battle would feature that not-yet-leitmotif again
>>4103087>there was a 40-50 year old femboy making the rounds on twitter a while agoshow me them pics or at least the account name
>>4103084The roaring already justified a jarring tone/visual for what it's worth and being able to accurately predict what happens during the roaring outside it ending via vanishing angel's heaven feels off
>>4103093Both of them are tranny cock-sucking lovers
>>4103093they still are the most similar when compared to everyone else
>>4103096i can't remember his name. but he made it work because he accepted his visual faults and worked around them. for women i guess the equivalent would be having big shoulders, an apple shaped body, no ass, etc. and a completely hideous face. there are many women like that, they just know how to groom and style themselves
What would ERAM say to Noelle if she was the one playing the Mantle Game?
>>4103080>catti so lowLmao
>>4103094https://www.earthsworld.com/ is a great place to see what the average person looks like. age makes everyone more masculine, unless they're lucky or determined
>>4103104"oh, dead-sister doe, you liked killing berdly"
ERAM these nuts
>>4103113Pull your dress down on this instant Ralsei!
>>4103113>>4103115
>>4103097Clean it up, janny.
>>4103115>on this instant
>>4103110Miyazaki was into something when calling out otakus with how the average person looks like a goblin to me.
>>4103122Yes, pull (You)r dress down onto this Instant Ralsei I just heated up.
>>4103127Yeah humans are ugly in general, everything basically is. There is nothing beautiful in life.
>>4103127I’m considered above average in appearanceWhich is insane since I know I’m not in shape or have good self care
>>4103130they're only "ugly" because you got brainrotted by internet, people back then used to (most likely) see humans as the sexiest beings back then
What if we got this chapter 6?https://youtu.be/XRQEtCGcEUw
>>4103131Some people really get lucky with the genetics.>>4103132See, this mentality is why I think Miyazaki is a fag despite seeing where his point comes from.Some people see it as "having unrealistic standards", others like me see this as "knowing how good things could be instead" and feeling frustrated with reality.
>>4103097>every post is on-topicstealth threads don't work. either man up and make it explicit or don't bother. earlier today we had a pretty active thread that reached 200 posts or so. it had flowery and JARONA as the op lol.
Chapter 5 isnt a real japan-wank chapter because there's no extremely out of place Cup Noodle sponsership injected into it
>>4103140It's japwank from someone who doesn't understand japan.
>>4103089Just like Vs. Susie (Reprise), Vs. Kris, Flashback (Full) and all the other dream themes that feel increasingly unlikely.
>>4103135>others like me see this as "knowing how good things could be instead" and feeling frustrated with reality.there's one thing, one simple thing that should be understood, nothing in this world is perfect, sure, it would be cool to have things go fine and dandy, with no struggles and only perfection but ultimately, we live in a society like the rest of us, the best we can do is live life to its fullest potential, rather than live in misery over "what ifs" forever
>>4103140>No noodlesTOBYFOX YOU JA-HACK
>>4103143>Vs Susie reprise won't happen!You're joking right?Ch 5 already showed Susie doesn't trust Kris as much anymore
>>4103144Yeah! Just how we know poor african tribes living far into the countryside are happier than most people living in cities!Sorry but no, unless you lobotomize yourself there is no going back into ignorance. Only thing left is the disgrace of having this gnostic-esque view of reality that you can't move on from.
>Ch 6 drops and then half the anons will be complaining about it taking it too seriously for what it isYou gotta laugh
>>4103080>Berdly above Catti>Gerson so lowI don't believe it.
>>4103144I'm going to sound arrogant. But even if I am a sub5 or whatever I consider my body, time, and money precious. If I can't get someone I consider perfect I'd rather be alone. I don't want to settle when it comes to love.
>>4103152>Deltarune's inconsistency created a fanbase of people who want very different things and someone will always bitch about something no matter whatwow what a shocker
>>4103143>mfw no penumbra phantasm (already confirmed to not happen)>mfw no another megalovania remix>mfw no megalo strike back>mfw no Her Theme
>>4103150that doesnt mean people dont wanna live happily ofc, but the world can only be so much better at its current state, there are two ways from there, either fall into endless doomerism til the end of your days, or makedo with what you have and try to improve as much as you can, the fact you have a home and a pc and money is already better than a lot of people's situations.
>>4103160nah, we get penumbra phantasm with some of its motifs stripped away.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLkqDfRKao
>>4103161>better than a lot of people'sOh it's always the same bullshit excuse.Just look at 90's US culture. People had stability and still felt completely hollow.
I wanted to fight a chara plantner in a kimono dress as the secret boss not schizophrenic mew mew !! Type of criticisms are dumb
>>4103163>some of its motifs stripped awaySo you mean a butchered song?Like, the Doctor bits are some of the best parts of it.
>>4103165I get it! I fucking get it!You hate people who feel let down about anything because they are in the way of you discussing whatever bullshit you want. I know it already!
>>4103164because they were still dying from illnesses and other super issues lmao, still better than feeling hollow because of a bunch of internet posts
>>4103166it can still sound peaky without the doctor motifshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTdgyqCvXq0here's another example
>>4103153Berdly is infinitely more relevant than Catti and Gerson is sadly a one chapter wonder.
>>4103170https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEftAKxYuqwthis one sounds better anon that on esucks
>>4103165Mew Mew was the better choice but some of the fan concepts of it are cool.
>>4103174>Mew Mew was the better choiceI can't fucking understand how can anyone think this.
>>4103057there's quite a few little things like this that I believe were able to be easily added while the chapters were stuck in dev hell. I could easily imagine toby getting pissed off trying to make giga queen work and spending time doing shit like making berdly's sound bit instead
>>4103177Berdly had a sound bit and portraits since 2018.
>>4103178oh yeah he did exist in chapter 1 fuck I forgot
>>4103179>chapter 1>fuck I forgotyou and everyone else since 2021 lmao
>>4103181I don't hate chapter 1 but it is such a strange mix of absolutely crucial setup while still feeling like it could have been an email. "Chapter 1 is the real uncompromised deltarune" is one of those things I see floated around here that I just can't understand
>>4103133>jump to a random point in the video>kris is trying to cause the roaring>vessel is talking>FRIEND isnt a complete monster and is helpingabsolute fucking slop
>>4103183The atmosphere it presents of dropping into a fantasy world and then waking up and walking around hometown is top notch and feels like a great start to Deltarune.But it also very clearly didn't know quite where it was going yet. It knew some characters would be important, and maybe even vaguely how, but that's kinda it.
>>4103183I'm a survey program fag. Chapter 1 does an absolutely horrible job at setting up the rest of the game in many ways, particularly with how it has almost nothing about the Holidays.>real uncompromised deltaruneIt was produced with a very small team, not unlike Undertale, and was not influenced by it's own fanbase.However it was influenced as fuck by UT's fanbase, in a way only chapter 2 ever matched. That whole demo was designed like a drug for UT fans.I personally suspect Chapter 3 is the closest one to being "Toby Fox's unfiltered autism", but one really knows what the game is all about, and the only real uncompromised DR are his personal notes from before he decided to tie it to UT.
>>4103187>from before he decided to tie it to UT.More like before he made UT out of a portion of the scraps he already had for DR
>>4103189I can only wonder if a timeline where he decided to lock in and make an RPG Maker Deltarune would result in a better game.Or maybe one UT was only moderately successful.
>>4103187I agree with the sentiment that chapter 3 even if it's not my favorite is where it clicks that THIS is deltarune. So much clicks on a narrative and metanarrative level in there it's nuts>it has almost nothing about the HolidaysAnd yet he still found a way to set up the lake skip monologue with Noelle noticing something is up with Kris. Tobys a madman
>>4103185>FRIEND isnt a complete monster and is helpingFriend literally bites Kris, Susie, and Ralsei in Chapter 5 and leaves them with 1 HP.
>>4103175It's too early for a Chara fight and Pink works as a Frisk/Chara parallel if you're a knower.
>>4103196>where it clicks that THIS is deltaruneToo bad what clicked for me there is how I fundamentally dislike what this game is even if I love the surface level content early on.>still found a way to set up the lake skip monologueSee, this sort of shit is what I hate in the game. Some vague things blurted by random enemies have more weight in the story than the actual shit characters say to your face, multiple times.Paying attention to the text or not doesn't make much difference because you still don't understand the story.
>>4103185This AU was made before Chapter 5 was released.
>>4103196Yeah, chapter 3 is a core part of it, but ironically I think going from chapter 2 to chapter 3 is what lets you appreciate it as fully as you do. Going through Spamton and then learning why the fuck he's like that in the form of meeting Tenna, is one of the game's strongest payoffs.
>>4103199>brand new guy who tells you some things about the ongoing deeper mysteries>another brand new guy who tells you even more things and also fulfills one specific frustration from UT>a gigantic gut punch in many ways that completely twist the story>a deeper look into a UT character and also an uplifting moment for the storyAnd then this whole journey ends with>a joke fight from someone who already had two unique fights
>>4103174What if I just don't like Mew Mew?
>>4103200>Some vague things blurted by random enemies have more weight in the story than the actual shit characters say to your face, multiple times.No? It's just that what characters say to your face isn't supposed to be the unadulterated truth or an incredibly poorly disguised lie, it's supposed to show what they're thinking.
>>4103205You're a RETARD who doesn't understand THEMES and SUCH
>>4103207Themes and such are not worth sacrificing my own enjoyment.
>>4103206For what god damn reason Seam went out of his way to make it seem Card Kingdom was an actual place with history?
>>4103208This is a themes and such game. If your enjoyment requires they be non-present or unimportant, play other games.
>>4103205but ya just met herlike seriously she almost got cucked out of existing twice and by the same person no less
>>4103203I wouldn't even be miffed about it if they actually delved into the parallels with Kris and the soul but they don't do that at all outside of cursory dialogue that we all know damn well Kris was yelling "lalala" in their head during
>>4103208I mean, that's exactly what I was sarcastically implying there.
>>4103211I didn't like the character in undertale either.
>>4103212There are no real parallels even. The ghost can say whatever it wants, in full sentences.
>>4103209If the pretend fantasy world has characters talk about how everything started happening X hours ago and nothing ever went on before that, it breaks the illusion. The history was heavily implied to be based on real world events that happened to the cards, just like the layout was based on the real world room the cards were within.
>>4103216funny part is with the friend dialogue Mew Mew can just force the dummy to go out of commission apparently
>>4103210Don't people play games for their own opinions, not to regurgitate the writer's opinions?
>>4103212>if they actually delved into the parallels with KrisWe already saw that with Spamton and we spent multiple hours watching the same shit of Kris sperging out against the soul multiple times.It was spooky once but now it's just really played out with how long this game is.>all know damn well Kris was yelling "lalala" in their head duringOh you can bet the little shit learned nothing from all that and will keep fucking with us, just like how we'll dive into 7B anyway.
>>4102910I think Ralsei's true form would be more feminine.He's a guy for the prophecy and looks like Asriel to put Kris at easeIf we ever get to see the true form of this goat who's favorite things are sewing, baking, and singing, he's gonna look like some victorian woman
>>4103223He's gonna look like TORIEL
>>4103221The writers' opinions control every bit of content that I'm able to form an opinion of. If I hate the way the writer thinks I probably won't like the writing even if I can "control" the story.
>>4103222to be fair mewmew is a much healthier situation to start exploring stuff with compared to the local crackhead tweaking out and od-ing on the floor right as he decides he wants to be nice
>>4103226Hey, Spamton is much more coherent than a crackhead, give him some credit. He's just homeless and schizophrenic.
>>4103217>everything started happening X hours ago and nothing ever went on before that, it breaks the illusion.That's not at all how it works in-universe. Dark worlds aren't last thursdayist, they're based on what happened in the light world for a long time, infusing the objects with memories and characteristics until the dark fountain gives them an illusion of consciousness.
>>4103225Then I shouldn't be forced to support every writing decision when I play a game or have the parts I don't like shoved into my face.
>>4103203Toby had to fulfill his reverse Undertale autism bro.
>>4103228The anon I'm replying to asked why Seam implied card kingdom had history when it didn't literally happen.
>>4103230Out of ALL patterns, the most pointless one?
>>4103231I'm that anon. All of that happened, even if imprisoning the other kings meant shoving them into a drawer or something.
>>4103232we RESPECT reverse undertale round these parts buster
>>4103229You aren't forced to support every writing decision. You are choosing to play the game whose writing you disagree with.
>>4103235You think that should be the case with every game though, I'm I'm understanding you correctly.
>>4103233Yeah. And that's the history Seam was talking about. What's the problem? Should card kingdom have actually been a dark world for a decade or something?
>>4103007ralsei's fireshock particles look like the small titan spawn pieces on the titan tower
>>4103234I'll still die on the schizo boss/chapter boss hill.
>>4103236What? No. Every game already has a creator with opinions, you don't have to play games whose creators' opinions bother you when you can detect them.
>>4103232*the kinoest one
>>4103237Because the game completely abandoned that perspective after ch2. Now we have a pippins nonchalantly talking about how a zapper is "a remote control you stole from Catti's house" or a cultist saying "he is the fire extinguisher".Not even 5 felt like a lived-in world in the same way.
chapter 6 is the ruins parallel chapter, Carol will be the chapter boss as the toriel parallel
>>4103242What happens when they hide their opinions until the very end in way that no one could have known beforehand
>>4103246you'll have the roaring starting there in 5 minutes (laughs)
>>4103246what reasons could carol have to fight us? https://youtu.be/iqDJ2OzlAVE
>>4103246the chapter boss will be something actually interesting like dess's guitar
>>4103231Toby is a George Lucas type of creative so rhyming autism is priority
>>4103247Yeah man, that's what I don't fucking get.Why make 1 and 2 the way they are if the full game was never going to follow up on that?I'm not saying the game should be what I personally want, I'm saying the game should be honest about what it really is from the very start.All this gets is 6 years of attracting the wrong audience that will inevitably be pissed off at some point.
>>4103249susie
>>4103247Their opinions weren't hidden. You were ignoring them. Now you can't.>>4103252Saying chapter 1 is different from the rest of the game I could get.Saying 1&2 are closer to one another than to the rest of the game, sure.Saying they don't resemble what we got at all is beyond me.
>>4103211She tries to kill everyone she meets except the people also trying to kill you.
>>4103256I played Elden Ring and I was allowed to have my own opinions apart from Miyazaki and the rest. I didn't get the Ranni ending because I didn't like the character and I didn't agree with her, simple as that.If the writer's opinions can't be ignored,the writer made propaganda.
>Asriel in Ch 7 being Deltarune's Leder
>>4103263That's too luxurious for Toby's favorite goat boy to torment, he's still not gonna show up until the literal last dialogue box before the credits roll.
>>4103256>Saying they don't resemble what we got at all is beyond me.Out of the 3 new chapters:>only one got multiple distinct locations, the other two drag on the same look the entire time>only one features a significant amount of new darkner characters>none of them used a non-party member lightner the way Berdly was used>only two got a chapter villain>all of them get some newly introduced gameplay style that displaces the UT combat>not a single one features a Jevil-esque secret boss>none of them try to feel like lived in fantasy worlds>both the chapter villain and the secret boss are heavily implied to not be a thing for the remaining chapters
>>4103033Only on an aborted WRPost ending Noelle in an aborted WR showing Noelle in an asylum
>>4103263>Kris, remember how Dess used to pedogroom you in the shelter?
>>4103268asriel is ntrpilled? christ why is everybody in kris' life so fucked up?
>>4103262>If the writer's opinions can't be ignored,the writer made propaganda.>the writer's opinions can only be ignored if there's an option I headcanon as "the real ending" and I can specifically ignore it
>>4103266>Noelle in the light world just stuck with a dead father and catatonic mother>Roaring happens so cant even dwell on itwhat asylumthere's no tomorrow anyways
kinooooooooooohttps://youtu.be/kjVRBcVR-Rc
>>4103271NTA but I really do prefer the neutral endings over the pacifist or genocide ones.
>>4103273Fuck you. I thought it was real for like 5 seconds.
>>4103270It runs in the family, all the Dreemurr boys are destined to be cucks.>Asgore divorced, later cucked by Sans, in two timelines>Chara cucks Asriel for (You) in Undertale>Kris gets cucked by Susie and even Rouxls tries to cuck him with a Mizzle he believed was Kris's maiden
>>41032737B hopefully gets no trailer beyond one weird brief clip of something bizarre
>>4103274Yeah but the claim that a game with only one ending is fucking propaganda because the writer didn't tell you in advance what the ending would be is utter lunacy.
>>4103270Their goD has the most absolute shit tastes.
>>4103276floradinn cucking is going to be mental pain on a level beyond human comprehension ch 6 castletown will be so painful man
>>4103278Look, I think that guy is a bit looney, but I do also wish DR had established it's thematic end goals more clearly in 1 and 2.
some fan theories are "ha ha yeah" to me
>>4103276Asriel cucked Chara first to be fair with Frisk in pacifist.
>>4103283mew mew cum jar theory
>>4103281I feel like it did a fine enough job just by how stretched chapter 2's following of the formula is.Cyber field is carried entirely by a few high moments, almost all of which Queen related. It doesn't really feel like a location of any particular history or purpose aside from being "not the city". The field of hopes and dreams was at least where the Jigsawry lived.Cyber city manages to feel like both a fun gameplay area and a location with some depth and history, but taking place in a "dense" place like a city and still having an amount of NPCs more like chapter 1 makes a dissonance.Queen's palace is a non-entity as far as feeling like it has history, it's great gameplay-wise and good stuff happens there but it feels like even within the fiction of the dark world Queen may as well have built it last week. Every exception has to do with Spamton.In fact, I'd argue that the amount of importance packed into Noelle and Spamton right as the formula got strained was a pretty glaring hint that the formula wasn't the direction.
>>4103270The thematic basis of Deltarune is emotional cuckoldry, including the romance but also going beyond that.>Want more of Card Kingdom? Nope.>Want more chapters like 2? Nope.>Want more secret bosses like Jevil and Spamton? Nope. But you'll get like a few characters teasing you about that idea.>Want more lightners getting a spotlight like Berdly? Never again.>Want to know what the direction of the story is based on all these scattered clues? LOL nope, information is being held until the end. >Want to give your player avatar a cool girlfriend or boyfriend? LMAO.It's always showing you something potentially cool and putting that desire on your mind only to pull the bait away and tease you. All the god damn time.
>>4103283desu i dislike any dess!knight theories with the premise that she's not acting out of her own volition. like the whole appeal of dess!knight (or so i believe) is that it'd turn her from a plot device to an actual character. we have enough possessed niggas already with kris and pink.
>>4103291That's a bad thing though. It's wrong to not provide when you have before.
>>4103290>lady godiva noelle parading on her horse (susie) across hometown
The philosophers say a lot of cryptic crap but I am fascinated they call dark worlds "dreams"
>>4103291>Thought the game was going to encourage fighting enemies who can't possibly be spared with the Titan and its Spawn, finally encouraging the use of varied equipment and battle strategies? HAH! Next chapter is all about enemies you HAVE to spare, even the SHADOW CRYSTAL BOSS!
>>4103293>It's wrong to not provide when you have before.Absolute mental illness
>>41032964 and 5 swap theoryYou'll be fighting people next chapter
>>4103288I could go on and on about how the actual direction of the game has been stretched out even more but you won't listen.Let me just say that there is a limit you can reasonably do those things in a sprite game. A lot of what you said related to Queen and Spamton could be said about King and Lancer in 1.Plus, 2 gave an amount of importance to Berdly that feels like bizarre in hindsight.
>>4103165I agree Chara in a kimono would have been retarded but Mew Mew is just as retarded
>>4103295It's apt terminology, I think. Dark worlds are based on exaggerations of the maker's impressions of the world around them. They're thought-spaces of a sort. And while one dark world can go on for a long time, once it's over, it's over, and recreating it is a crap shoot at best.
october is approaching..is the eb halloween hack worth a playthrough?
>>4103295Everyone is gonna look into the screen and say "thank you for watching my dream" after the final boss. Just like the flowers.
>>4103205That means you are based
>>4103302eat shit faggot
>>4103298Nah, 6 will have Susie outright grab and throw away the FIGHT button after being inspired from watching Seth throw away your mercy progress, because she's still butthurt that Flowery DARED question the validity of her heroism.
>>4103043Toby made him way too likeable for his own good
>>4103306Sounds like something Toby would do
come on gaster, undertale was fun but also short as fuckI just wanted deltarune to be a longer undertale
>>4103293>its good for them to take stuff from your hands because it's "providing" but it's bad if you take from their hands in return!!sit back down cuck anon, nothing will stop me from getting the BEST deltarune ending i want
>>4103287What the fuck is the group project even about
>>4103312i guess it's something that needs to be researched since noelle and berdly went to the library's computers specifically for it
>>4103311What are you gonna do? You can't even attack anymore.
>>4103287By this point I think we know very well he knew the library had a dark world and was just trying to guide them there
>>4103299>there is a limit you can reasonably do those things in a sprite gameDo what things?>A lot of what you said related to Queen and Spamton could be said about King and Lancer in 1.Absolutely not. Lancer wasn't the only thing going on in the field of hopes and dreams, you've got the shitty tutorial guys, Seam, and your first encounter with C. Round. Queen was the only thing going on in cyber field other than sweet cap n' cakes, who feel like a dislocated Clover (ch1) parallel more than anything.Spamton's focus was NOTHING like the little bit we got for King. Spamton's backstory and plans both pointed in the direction of plot elements beyond the light and dark worlds, elements I'd been hoping to see acknowledged directly again ever since the goner maker in chapter 1. King talked about the reasons he'd support more fountains opening, which was part expansionism and part rebellion against those he felt abandoned him, but all fell within the bounds of the dark world plotline.
>>4103174I like red
>>4103314snowgrave
>>4103318Literally never happened again to the extent that there are no battles anymore
>>4103314You don't know that
>>4103308Berdly is the Eridan of Deltarune
>>4103319The route isn't over and 7B has combat.
Why are fightfags crying and pissing over chapter 5 having enemies you can only spare? i don't remember actfags pissing themselves over the knight and the titan
>>4103320I can recognize patterns. Themes and such means you don't get to do what you want and all that.
>>4103292Noelle saying dess ran off gives me hope if dess is the knight that it is because she chose it.Armored made of broken dreams held onto
>>4103319we'll access chapter 1-7B
>>4103323Because fightfags view it as an act of personal rebellion against Toby's "quirk chungus" writing and actfags are used to taking cues from the game as to what to do next.
Eggs unlock chapter 0 and the knightmare knight Lower res graphic worldKnightmare knight boss theme already is out there to listen to, released super early for meta reasons
>>4103323I like fighting more than acting.>>4103326Where's the hp percentage bar in ch1 after all these years?
>>4103328And it fits the Easter egg concept since it’s an Easter egg bossBut also winning it breaks the game so gaster would rather you didn’t fight themSo it’s an issue to get to it
>>4103323it makes sense why you have to FIGHT the knight and the titan (plus you dont have to fight the knight if you dont want to), it makes no sense why you couldnt just be allowed to FIGHT the flowers, no one complained about K Round or Sweet Cap'n Cakes and no one made mods that allow you to FIGHT those enemies, but here they went too far and beyond
>>4103312toby himself forgot
>>4103328Knightmare knight was there at the incidentYou see kid Kris and dess and asriel etc. from the perspective of the vesselAnd then stumble on the knightmare knight
>>4103323Actfags pissed themselves when they thought hitting Giga QUEEN would brick their save or thought talking against the Knight would do shit
>>4103316>Do what things?Making a realistic explorable modern city for example. Either you get a village or a thin slice or something minimalistic like Earthbound does.CF also had the Hacker quest and a bunch of one-off unique NPCs, something 3 and 4 don't.King is the one that affects most of the ongoing darkner backstories across. The puzzle guys? King. All the enemies complaining about having to do soldier duty? King.And I wasn't making a 1:1 comparison there, just pointing out they both have similar scope.
>>4103323It's yet another example of the game with a meta story about gameplay mechanics not giving a shit about it's own gameplay mechanics.I'm personally more mad about how the powerup you get from fighting enemies gets reseted with every new chapter, but I had an entire year to complain about that.Plus, I focused most of that rage against Legend of Tenna/MANTLE anyway.
>>4103332Sweet Cap'n cakes should have been fightable, you can delete their hp unlike k.round
>>4103336Actfags also got pissed when the Jackenstein/Spawn glitch persisted across several updates.
>Ch 0 being unlocked by the eggs and fighting a prototype knight variant that bricks the game Probably too out there but feels consistent with the theory Deltarune is built on another game
>>4103338I agree with that one. The stat buffs not carrying over is retarded
>>4103342>Interface with warnings and “broken copy” errorSome neat ludo could be possible for rogue angel routes if any ever happenWhatever gaster even would consider “rogue”, no idea. They seem to find everything interesting.
>>4103342I lean more into taking the egg man literally about how their entire world was once like Mancountry.So you have like, a MANTLE-esque game for chapter 0 until the Wingdings himself shows up and shoves copies of people he knew there.
>>4103323because there's no items that improve act's and to get the best weapons you have to sacrifice content. in ch. 1+2 it was balanced in between the two, but with 3/4/5 it feels like toby just gave up on combat entirely.>knight and the titanthe knight is optional and the titan is borderline a cutscene (also still involves spare mechanics with purifying the titan spawns).
>>4103342methinks the eggs will give us an extended cut of a scene about That Day when we get to it. Probably showing the part where it gets gaster-y instead of just dess going missing
>>4103340sweet cap'n cakes should have been fightable because i don't want those fucks around my castle town
>>4103337>Making a realistic explorable modern cityI didn't mean to imply anything like that, more that the city's ability to sell itself as a city was a little strained on account of not really being all that much bigger than an equivalent length chunk of chapter 1, a comparatively more rural setting.>CF also had the Hacker quest and a bunch of one-off unique NPCs, something 3 and 4 don't.One-off dispensers of unique flavor text and a funny visual aren't a loss to me. I concede the lack of a character based sidequest feels a little bad, but not too much.>King is the one that affects most of the ongoing darkner backstoriesAnd I said Spamton's appeal was in part that the plot direction HE implied went beyond Darkners and Lightners entirely and was about the fabric of the game. It started for him with becoming more than a Darkner, but his contact was clearly NOT a Darkner. I understand that King had a lot of connections but the majority of them were neatly resolved by beating him.
>>4103340>>4103348Are Sweet Cap'n cakes the least popular characters in the game?
>>4103350I think so, yeah. Even the most virulent chapter 2 dicksuckers won't really mention them.
>>4103348i find it weird how you can get the addisons to fuck off from your no-recruits castle town forever by aborting the weird route right after getting the freezering but you cant get the sweet cap'n cakes to fuck off even in a full-on weird route scenario where they dont get to help you against gigaqueen
>>4103349I know it's a contentious opinion (I recall Fenekinfox mentioning this in his rant) but I personally felt the cyber city was a very good way to represent something like that in this sort of game compared to what we usually get (i. e. 3 buildings pretending to be a city and stuff).>One-off dispensers of unique flavor text and a funny visual aren't a loss to me.And that's exactly why we are never going to agree on anything about this game.I loved Deltarune because of this sort of thing, and other things designed with a similar mentality, and I'll be mad forever the game never really did that again after I paid those 25 bucks.
>>4103350i have never seen a single fan art, meme, r34, or theory involving them. id be willing to bet money that most deltarune fans can't even name all of 3 of them correctly. they fucking stink and i hate them.
>>4103350Relative to the importance they get, yeah.Though I still regret and hate myself for complaining about them back in the day. I'd rather have played another 10 rounds of things similar to that rather than what we got instead.In hindsight I didn't even hate them, just thought they were lame compared to the high standards UT and ch1 had set.
>>4103352it implies they have some significant role in the end game.my guess would be another "get up you two, this is a comedy not a tragedy" moment with them showing up, but it could also mean them getting tortured and murdered by noelle.
>>4103350I don't think they're that badBut it's funny how characters whose entire theme is music have some of the worst tracks in the game
>>4103354unlike the flowers they actually deserve the guest writer accusations because nothing about them feels tobycore. it's as if they stepped out of some bland indie game.
>>4103345The knightmare knight theme showing up for a ch 0 fight or some secret fight in a mancountry/mantle type place in general is probably a stretch but I feel like it's a real possibility
>>4103350More people like ramb lol
>>4103359they're guest designs but toby personally asked for themI recall some people getting angry against sweet cap'n cakes criticism because they're supposedly an homage to homestar runner
>>4103361ramb gets a considerable amount of fan tracks and art, specially for a character that get's sidelined by his own creator that hardscc never got that love
>>4103338I'm not even sure how to feel about it cause everything in this game is weak as shit as is
>>4103364I just get numb and number about everything in deltaruneI was buckbroken so hard by chapter 3 I didn't feel a thing when Gaster came out of his gamer dungeon to talk to me there.
>>4103365why is aqua the most popular flower?
>>4103365I thank our lady Temmie for not letting Seth be yet another uggo
>>4103367vild chagina
>>4103359did a little digging and yes, they were made by a guest.https://x.com/nelnalium/status/1439096263350185989
>>4103368She reminds me of lucca
NIGGAS HAIL GASTER
>>4103370the designs, toby wrote them. the story behind them is toby wanted a single music character, then nelnal made 3 designs that toby liked so much he made them into a trio, you could argue the design did influence toby and strayed from his original vision
>Jackenstein was supposed to come out every Festival night>Susie robs him of the one chance each year he gets to be a star the day it was supposed to happenJack...
>>4103373vessel after kris and noelle beat their barbie doll ass
>>4103375They don't NEED JackI NEED JACKENSTEIN
sex with jackenstein
>>4103377Susie's a piece of shitImagine Kris and noelle seeing hi to jack again
>>4103367I know what answers you're baiting for but the real reason is that FOR ONCE a darkner character was allowed to DO THINGS again since Tenna AND ALSO not be a bore like some others coff coff Sweet Cap'n CakesAqua is>the only flower to get a solo fight ywnbaf Pink>the only flower you get to fight more than twice (this is surprisingly rare across the franchise in general)>probably the one that shows up the most, or at least matches how much screen time Flowery got>the only flower who actually aesthetically fits the Flower Dance battle theme
>>4103225Dude Kris can't even muster up the courage to tell a girl he likes her. Now imagine going up against someone who wants to DATE you
>>4103381Meant for >>4103226 heheh
>>4103381>kris cucked his own dadI'm still so fucking MAD
>>4103381I dont think Kris gives a fuck about Mewmew tho. Kris gives you a thumbs up if you tell Mewmew you only flirted to win.
>>4103384Nah I mean the dude would rather disengage than talk about his feelings in any measure.He doesn't even try to do or stop you when you say it was serious he just says it and stands there
skeleton wank undertale 2 would have been more fun than any of this
>>4103388idk kris, noelle, and dess's whole deal is already more intriguing to me than anything in undertale
>>4103389yawn
>>4103350So irrelevant that most people don't even know one of their members is the origin of the Pirate Dojo song in-universe.
>>4103389dess is unironically potential doe right now. i hope tobert doesn't handle her like the chara of dr.
>>4103392Yeah I agree. Nailing her plotline is the most essential thing to deltarune for me>>4103390me when anon gets his wish and sans says gaster dings died
>>4103392Either she's Knight, or she's gonna get absolutely nothing because it's easier for fans to fill in the blanks on how special of a girl Dess was that her absence permafucked two families and cast an indefinite shadow over an entire town.
>>4103395Making her the knight makes the knight a joke
>>4103399Knight's already a joke, it has to rely on cutscenes because it can't face (You) in an honest fight, and then after Chapter 3 it stops trying to fight you entirely.
>>4103400>mettaton box is more undefeatable than the knightlol
>>4103400You really think the knight is abusing cutscenes? Bruh, can you not take a single part of this game seriously?
>>4103402Kris literally signals to Knight to cut the fight if you no-hit it all the way to the point it normally "suddenly drops its guard".
>>4103402Some flavor text lines from the Trashy Trio fight:>"You felt lightheaded. You see rhythmically bouncing balls.">"Your vision expands. The world moves up around you.">"Trashy's hands glow a strange color..."Not even Kris being confronted with his most personal insecurities is something the game is afraid of making fun of.
>>4103404We don't know if that's actually Kris doing the flavor text though, that could be the omniscient narrator, who often takes precedent in Dark Worlds and loves cracking jokes and references.Kris sure as fuck hasn't had a track record of recurring bake sales, but (You), the player, have, because of the ones in Undertale.
>>4103380>(this is surprisingly rare across the franchise in general)You know how when a story has a branching path where a character can die, and after that point even if they live they lose all relevence so the writer doesnt have to actually care about the effects in either scenario?Yeah you kinda run into that problem times a million when you apply it to every character in the game, which is why refights arent a thing
>>4103406>which is why refights arent a thingAnd that sucks.Deltarune Yellow solved this problem so easily that I'm surprised Toby didn't think of that first.
>>4103406Isn't that exactly what happens to Berdly
>>4103402the knight ends with them strategically taking a L just to pull you into a cutscene where they can kill your entire party and kidnap undyne, the knight abuses kris being uncooperative to hit us away, then runs behind the door when the party catches up, then summons a titan to run off again and then acts all runaway bitchy in chapter 5.it's so blatantly obvious that the knight is doing this shit because toby knows that we'd kick the knight's ass if they didnt do this shit which we cant do jack about, it reminds me of some pokemon fangames that have foreboding villains that appear throughout the whole game but refuse to let you fairly fight them and beat them until the actual ending because you could totally beat their ass and win early (an example being pokemon team rocket edition where everybody gasses up the antagonist but he doesnt rematch you til the end for no reason lol), the knight is not special, theyre just another example of the "unwinnable early game boss battle with some special cutscene if you reach the end of it" trope, but because UTDR fans havent played any other videogame they just think that it makes the knight special and that the knight is "WOWZERS XE'S SO STRONG AND OP AND A PIPING HOT SMOKING TOMBOY THAT WOULD DOM ME IN BED, ZE ROARING KNIGHT COULD TOTALLY SOLO SONIC AND MARIO AND GOKU BECAUSE OF A CUTSCENE FORCING THE PARTY TO LOSE!!1"
>>4103405Doesn't change my point. Not even the narrator takes the most serious parts of the story seriously.
>>4103406aside from berdly and the unimportant ch2 darkners, no one in deltarune can die from our attacks so us getting rematches should be possible
>>4103409Ehhhhh, in a world where the rhythm of the story and the rules of the gameplay are actual in-universe forces, being the "unbeatable boss that forces a cutscene loss if it doesn't cream you legitimately" trope does make the knight pretty fucking threatening. But it relies on existing within Deltarune and its home narrative to be anything special, yes, which a lot of people miss.
>>4103411Nta and this doesn't excuse Castle Town being shit, but Deltarune isn't the type of game feels like it benefits greatly from re-fights, a lot of fights are too intertwined with its story context and playing them isolated is a little contrary to the themes the story dances around
>>4103413I don't really fund it threatening. Just boring. This drawn out waiting game where you do nothing for years on end despite the characters pretending they can. It's not epic, it's not scary, its a bore, and if it co tonues like this until the end, it was all a waste of time to even get invested.Move.
>>4103414jevil is random encounter-y enough that a rematch wouldnt hurt, spamton neo is too overly specific and story sensitive to work but a harder regular spamton (or netskie) could do the trick, knight doesnt work outside of the netskie solution (and the lightners would be ok with training for the knight with a netskie), gerson is too story sensitive and desu idk if susie would be ok with fighting a netskie larping as gerson while talking like an autist at the same time so that's that, a Pink rematch is 100% possible and plausible within an in-universe perspective
>>4103403Who says it's a signal, maybe Kris was affected by the fight as shown by all the other text and the knight is surprised by this
>>4103402It literally has to. If the fight kept going we'd beat it more than it could shake off. It's also why it tries to stay the fuck out of our way from then on
>>4103420You sound ridiculous. Who gives a shit about anything in the game at that point.
The only way to justify the game forcing the church dark world onto you after the stunt it pulled at Noelle's house is that you might have a chance to take on the Roaring Knight without needing the shelter codes. And he just gets away. Again. Just this massive waste of time. That gets even worse when Toriel wasn't even there either.
>>4103417The netskies seem like a gopd idea at first, but taking into account to make it work that means you'd only have a handful of battles to replay at a specific moment somewhere around chapter 6 if we can access a happy full of contents castle right right before the story's final act. And I don't think anyone believes the game ends with a beautiful massive happy castle town.Lastly we also have to consider you can select any chapter to play at any point you desire and there's so far no fight locked behind requirements from previous chapters. I can see why Toby gave up on or didn't fully realize on purpose the dojon feature because it really doesn't seem worth it with the logics his game does
>>4103419Because Kris doesn't cough unless you no-hit the Knight. That's Kris lowkey panicking that (You)'re actually this skilled, and you have to remember from the characters' perspectives that no matter how many times you've done this fight, this will always be the first time the Fun Gang VS Knight happens.
>>4103421I do gayboy
>>4103423You can probably just rehash them as a boss rush of sorts but obviously a blatant refight is kinda redundant when I can just boot up my save and fight Jevil or whatever at any time like you said
>>4103406I am fully aware of the limitations of branching story lines, way more than you think, but that still isn't an excuse. You could also use the branches to include more alternative fights too.And this shouldn't even be a problem because you don't actually kill the characters in Deltarune in the normal route. That's exactly how Berdly gets away with that.Anyway, felt like doing some tallying:>Flowey: 3 fights (one is a cutscene fight)>Papyrus: 3 fights (including his geno cutscene fight and lost soul)>Mad Dummy: 3 fights (Mew Mew only gets 1 or 2 depending on how you consider her)>Undyne: 4 fights (including her lost soul and her cutscene fight during the hangout, not sure if her overworld spears should count)>Mettaton: 5 fights (counting the questions show, the jetpack minigame, the tile puzzle fight and NEO which are all on varying degrees of custcene fight, but not counting the bombs or Alphy's lost soul)>Lancer: 3 fights (In the throuple fight he is your helper) (only now I noticed he did that before Gerson)>Rouxls Kaard: 3 fights (counting the lamp that shows up in the weather couple dojo fight)>Berdly: 4 fights (including Queen and his snowgrave alt)>Spamton: 3 fights (including his weird alt)>Queen: 3 fights (including the first punch out minigame, counting normal and giga queen as separate)>Weather couple: 3 fights (including the throuple fight and the dojo rematch)>Aqua: 4 fights (including the Aqua netskie fight (she shows up there herself too) and the Flowery)I didn't count any time a character showed up on the enemy side as assistant who only showed up to talk to your enemy, these being Lancer with the Hathys, The Yellow/Blue trial and Seth helping those shinobeetles.Feel free to add anything I missed.
>>4103413to be honest, i think the knight should have more legitimate encounters against you or other enemies to actually show off their skills and prowess rather than just backstab oneshot darkners and cutscene wiping the party everytime, otherwise i fear it gets to the point where the knight could be compared to the game equivalent of a fanfic op oc that oneshots everything or a DND roleplay with a player that refuses to let their oc lose>"...and d20, the party manages to sneak in a quick rude buster and defeats the roaring knight.">"UMM ACTUALLY they get up and INSTAONESHOT everyone 'cause they were totally holding back!">...>"...and d16, the cage receives a few wounds, but they manage to pull through and reach the end of the hallway, where the knight stands.">"UHH, THEY THROW A BUNCH OF UNAVOIDABLE SWORD ATTACKS THAT KNOCK THE CAGE INTO THE PIT!">...>"and thus, the heroes managed to catch up to the knight, close to the fountain they just need to seal in order to catch the knight's real identity, what will-">"UHH YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT TITANS TWO SESSIONS AGO, RIGHT?">"well, yes, but that's set up for-">"I WANNA SUMMON ONE WITH FIVE KNIFES THROWN AT THE GROUND NOW.">"but-">"NOW.">"...d20, the knight stabs the ground and the titan is summoned.">...>"HEY GUYS I GOT LATE TO THE SESSION, ANYWAYS, THEY MAKE A DARK FOUNTAIN-">"we're about to seal the fountain already.">"WELL THEN THEY MAKE ONE RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT TO SEAL IT.">"uh-">"ALSO THEY FLY IN AND KIDNAP ASGORE!"
>>4103417>Pink rematch is 100% possible and plausible within an in-universe perspectiveget ready for her to do nothing but hang out in the nagasagy kikky park lmao
>>4103422And then the game does it again in chapter 5.The antagonists are not actually trying to stop you. They are of the same mind as their creator, just trying to waste your time, and for what? This will amount to nothing when the game's over, why do this endless stalling if people are gonna get sick of it before too long. No one will see it as valuable in 10 years, it'll be a relic of that time the developer tries to drag this shit out for attention.
>>4103423a netskie flavored secret boss rush would be possible imo
>>4103430She'll also be dating Rouxls because Body + Ghost means it's another throuple.
>>4103433maddie would tell rouxls to fuck off and throw bombs at him before ever giving him a chance
>>4103435Yeah but because that's what you expect, the opposite will happen.How subversive!
>>4103433>>4103435>the adult ghost will spend her life larping as a catgirl with random objects in a closerdamn woman, not even Susie went that low
>gaster sends you to deltarune to break a prophecy>prophecy says you win and the knight can't do shit>the knight, in fact, can't do shit>wtf toby
>>4103430Bro you already know Toby's got a new little minigame cooking up for Chapter 6.Put the Mike minigames in 4Kikky Park in 56 will have its own thing or nothing at all
>>4103437You approved of it when you didn't say anything about it before. From day one. I said the ending to the fight was ass.
>>4103439>counting Kikky Park as a minigame on the same level as the Mike minigamesYou were RAPED and BROKEN
>>4103438Where's the winning, you incompetent hack
>>4103441Chill man I was just saying the shit keeps changing. Like to a more extreme degree than Kris and Susie's
>>4103431I know your opinions here are contentious but there is something to be said about how hard Deltarune stalls the main plot, while also never committing into being an episodic adventure-of-the-week story like it seemed to be heading into after 2.1, 2 and 3 are just an overly long introduction to the basics that could be cut down to only two chapters, and 5 is a complete waste of time. And who knows if 6 will justify it's existence.5 or 4 chapters (plus the one B chapter) would probably have been a better paced version of the game, OR just trimming the fat and making all chapters shorter.
>>4103442look at the prophecy panels and take a guess
>>4103445You mean the ones that were broken out of spite
>>41034446 is gonna be a whole lot of nothing aside from the "one thing that will be clarified" during its cliffhanger ending, and Toby will justify it under everyone not wanting to re-traumatize Noelle by reminding her of THAT DAY when she only coasts by on life by memoryholing it.
>>4103440Hold the mayo, I was complaining about Pink making no sense in the story since the release. I've only said I think her fight was fun when considered in isolation.
>>4103446still says the worlds are saved
>>4103449I haven't seen any savingSusie ruined everything
>>4103448That specter should have been roasted by ralsei, no compromise with that doll raping cretin
>>4103442At the ending. The prophecy will literally make sure the heroes win, just like how it refuses to let Kris, the cage, die in Weird Route Chapter 5 by warping reality and converting a should-be drowning into the Suselle lake scene.
>>4103452nah she should have been dicked down by asgore to put her on her place
>>4103453Then move. Make it at least look like it's possible instead of the main antagonist stalling because the writer's afraid of making things move.
>>4103455Have you considered the prophecy's inevitable march and the last tragedy is the REASON Kris and Knight are stalling so much? Because they want to find a way to save the worlds AND undo the last tragedy?
>>4103453Then chapters 1-6 are pointless and the developer is wasting everyone's time.
>Susie fucks up the normal ending>this only happened because Gerson emboldened herthis would be really fucking funny
>>4103429The whole point of the knight is that they're abusing their current status within the story. They are unbeatable until the point where they're declared beatable. If they had to show that through "legitimate" actions like the knight getting into "real" fights then it wouldn't look unbeatable, just overstatted.
>>4103456I don't give a shit. Finish the game, I want it to be done and over with.
>>4103455>why can't the ending come before the ending why can't we make REEEEAAAAAALLLLLLL PROGRESSSSShave you considered that your idea of progress is mentally ill
>>4103460If you don't give a shit, then you don't actually care about the game.But then again, this was never about the game, this was about the fact you funded Toby, who's funding the people who murdered your cousins.
>>4103438how do we break the prophecy tho its still being fulfilled even on Weird
>>4103463you think I'm eram or something?
>>4103461How is it mentally ill when it has worked for so many games.Bad guy makes an obstacle, intended to STOP the hero(as in STOP, not stall) the hero overcomes the obstacle, so the bad guy creates a more difficult obstacle. And so on and so forth.
>>4103465I dunno, what's your idea of fun?
>>4103409>treating dr like any other rpg when it's metaslop from the king of metaslop himselfthe reason why you lose even if you "win" the fight is because the knight was holding back the entire time. remember, it was all staged and kris is the one that slashes susie and ralsei. the knight was about to lose her shit and actually hurt those two for real. she's HAXXED out.
If Maddy gives up the castle town idea and decides to stay to water the flowers, I'll at last praise Toby for giving this much maturity to a character like that.
>>4103468playin' games with a looooot of stuff that pisses off CoL specifically
>>4103466>the antagonist's existence should revolve around "stopping" the protagonist>the antagonist should not have any goal other than preventing the protagonist from achieving theirs>the protagonist's goal should be killing the root of all evil, the antagonist (who again doesn't actually want anything other than to stop the protagonist)>the antagonist's attempts to stop the protagonist should escalate linearly from unthreatening to unthreatening>but you should never imply the antagonist isn't taking the protagonist seriously either>and if a game does anything but exactly this, it is cucking and raping memental illness
>>4103462I didn't give that muslim lover a cent, you imbecile. Never have. I knew something smelled off when he gave money to the blm rats, he confirmed it himself when he put money into the pockets of the guys that tried to murder my family and failed miserably.
>>4103474why do you guys keep engaging with collike genuinely thoughyoure never gonna change the mind of an autistic schizophrenic. nothing but a complete waste of time
deltarune SUCKS because it has an INSUFFICIENT amount of SPIDERS
>>4103477>why do you guys keep engaging with colNo one loves schizos more than the people who complain about schizos. It's the kiwifarms mentality. A perverted sentimentality if you will.
>>4103477Would you rather we cry about shipping wars again and invoke the Anti-Susie Schizo and his image compilations?Would you rather we cry about Toby and get homoerotically parasocial about it again?Would you rather we cry about the lack of a newsletter?There's nothing to fucking do than stir shit.
>>4103438where does the prophecy say that you win?
>>4103428Fuck I remembered a thingGlad dummy (another cutscene fight) pumps Mad Dummy up to 4 fights.
>>4103481The fact that it's an inevitable march towards its completion that you can't stop, only delay, because trying to break it will just cause it to appear a little bit ahead of you, or reality itself wiill twist, snap and contort to course correct, even if it makes no actual sense or breaks all logic.And the prophecy promises that the worlds will be saved once the final tragedy occurs, therefore making the "you win" of the story.
What are your HOPES and DREAMS for chapter 6? No doomposting.
>>4103480We could have another argument about You Know Who
>>4103483and yet you can lose to flowery and the story will advance, meaning that winning is not in the prophecy
>>4103474Stalling and only stalling isn't threatening either.
>>4103478She's out there, somewhere. Probably closer than we think assuming that ghost doesn't go very far beyond ghost house
>>4103487The knight's goals are being achieved.
>>4103483I'm not the one delaying only the writer is.
>>4103484Big ass flashback. New Home but you live through the story instead of having it told to you. Makes me want to kill myselfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uTHDn-9yc
>>4103486Winning against flowery wasn't prophesized. Saving the worlds is.>>4103491Your proof that the writer is supposedly delaying is paper thin and amounts to not being able to defeat "the antagonist" early
>>4103486Again, you're only delaying the inevitable. Losing to Flowery just means that it'll take a bit longer before the Flower Man, Asgore, is trapped in the asylum of the shelter.
>>4103489I'm bored of that by now. Don't tell me I'm winning if the game is nothing but that, the game refusing to move for no reason other than the horrific development cycle.
Why are we STILL arguing with CoL? Just tell him to kill himself the moment you recognize his exact style of posting you autistically memorized and leave it at that.
>>4103495The game is moving just fine.
>>4103497I ain't feeling it after chapter 4 and 5.
>>4103484>HOPES and DREAMS for chapter 6?>An actual original schizoboss, down to ass pulling a 6th shadow crystal despite what Seam said>At least 8 new common enemies across the chapter>Snow/Ice themed dark world>hype Carol boss fight>Noelle party member the whole time>aborted weird route is considerably different>Cyan soul mode>Chapter 0 AND it is related to the Eggs
>>4103498beholdthe most enduring characters from chapter 4 lmao
>>4103493>proof that the writer is supposedly delaying is paper thinMy proof is that the game doesnt even make an effort to try and let you feel like you're accomplishing something..
>>4103484can we get some Ralsei and Noelle interactionIf not since we obviously can't have 4 niggas in a row can whoever gets the boot have a bad time for muh miserykino
>>4103489Less and less impotant when you can just skip to chapter 7 and save yourself the wastes of time that ch4 and ch5 are in every sense of the word.
>>4103498They may not BE Mike but they do take the role of MIKE and so they are A Mike but the REAL Mike MIGHT be out thereMike
>>4103502Why are you supposed to feel like you accomplished something? Is that the universal purpose of games?
>Think about fat loser otaku Alphys x Frisk>Pesis gets hard
>>4103506>the story isn't important if I can skip to the endingCool, so no story is important as I can watch the ending on youtube.
The real Mike is the microphone in Dess' room. The "real Mike". The reason that they stopped showing up to TV World was because of the Dessapearance. The dark world kayfabe lore reason is that the FRIEND hunting pack started going after them like they did with Spamton and Dess or whatever idk.
>>4103510Video games are my little computer adventures, so yes.
>>4103516Gaster..
>>4103513If literally everything is saved for the ending...
The Knight's helmet is going to come off to reveal its (Knight theory you agree with) and Susie is going to be verbally confused that it wasnt actually (Knight theory you disagree with)
>The Knight's helmet is going to come off to reveal its PIPPINS and Susie is going to be verbally confused that it wasnt actually WINGDING GASTER
>>4103520If everything you value is in the ending... why did you play in the first place?
>The final boss of ch 5 if the escalation kept going up instead of dropping like the start of a season 2
>>4103538And yes a sun boss at the end of a flower chapterIt is a setting sun symbol so I think it still fits the theme And the plants need sunlight
>>4103530>>4103534>implying it's gonna be some scooby doo ass revealit's not literally a dude with a suit on lol
>>4103538>toby hypes up the sun in the newsletter>bunch of theories going as far as a fire that destroys the whole store>it stays as a background visual the entire timenewsletter moment
>>4103543not according to kris for some reason
>>4103544ch 5 having an insane sun boss probably hard to fit with the flowery and soul flowers Or maybe it is what omega flowery is lel
>>4103546not saying it should have been a sun bossjust stating how incomprehensible the newsletter teasers are
>>4103536Didn't know everything important would be saved for the ending. Had no way of knowing.
>>4103548Ch 4 was meant to be a S1 finale deal, halfway point.But the fans thought it'd escalate further so they saw the sun in the newsletter and thought "oh shit the fucking sun" as something more dangerous than a titan.Flowery's an overpowered reality bender so I feel like they're as dangerous as a titan (I think the knight could take a titan down if it really had to, even if it had to drag kris with the soul into it) anyways.But it does make me wonder what ch 6 boss can be. Carol can't be that dangeous surely?
>>4103551I think it was a hollow knight reference
>>4103549What's important is not all saved for the ending. "Choices" are not what's important.
>>4103551Carol can potentially be meaningful in terms of story progression.The complaint isn't about the powerscaling of the bosses, it's the narrative escalation that got completely ignored.If the golden flower was some nightmarish Flowey-esque thing it would feel more in line even if it wasn't as powerful as the Titan, for example.
>>4103520If Tobers was good at writing, he'd be able to give clues with each chapter while not revealing the ending. Instead of bastardising rushed Nippon games and vagueposting, he should've read Agatha Christie and learned something.
>>4103496So we can then do what? Go back to bitching about Toby? Whining about the structure of the narrative? The vagueposting? All the complaints CoL has, just less schizo?
>>4103556Potentially, but won't. Remember that Chapter 6 is gonna be yet another Suselle chapter, and you can't have Suselle without Noelle, who's almost inevitably going to get roped into this Dark World.As such, Kris, Carol, Rudy, and whoever else knows of THAT DAY, won't bring it up, out of fear that they may re-traumatize Noelle by unlocking a memory that was locked away so she wasn't permanently catatonic from how much it broke her.
>>4103544>>it stays as a background visual the entire timeits actually revealed to be a really bright netskie during one of the pink coin challenges.
what if the sun from teletubbies was the ch5 schizo boss
>>4103484noelle actually gets to do something asides from being susie's girlfriend/ the damsel/ the genocider give me the noelle from the sweepstakes
>>4103585>save point>* you decided to not think about the implications of this existing inside of the "your dad's house" dark world.>* you are instead filled with the power of this poorly trimmed shrub
>here is your new mentally ill weirdo
>>4103544And then it's revealed to be sun lamps that didn't fucking exist when we went there in Chapter 1, even though it's highly implied they're the primary reason Asgore's flowers are alive and that the flowers need the lamps CONSTANTLY so their one-day lifespan doesn't finally croak..
>>4103589well she's trans isn't she
>>4103543given that we factually know that you can change your appearance in the dark world, up to and including armour, there's nothing stopping the knight's weirdness being part of it's external armour while the lightner inside is normal if the knight is wearing something pure black, and things become more indistinct in the dark worlds, you could probably appear to do some weird shit without actually doing anything too abnormal
>>4103590don't forget the mew mew figurine who is totally his shop's mascot despite never being seen there beforeand then asgore never gets to interact with it in any capacity
>>4103591Don't care still getting her pregnant.
>>4103592Also, considering it's shaping itself like one of the Titans from Ralsei's Roaring slides, Knight is probably on extreme levels of darkness, which may mean it can play tricks on the mind even more than usual, the same way the Titan originally appeared as a realistic human head in the shadows before its form was revealed.
>>4103587would be neat if we could access her blog in-gamewhy make pieces of her characterization external ill never understand
>>4103598the good ending, if only susie wasnt enough of a bitch to say "urmm, ermm, we, the two of us, dont need to be there"...
The final boss is Rudy in a wheel chair and you will raise up your bat to beat him to death >>4103598Wha the Krusie shipper sees when peering into a shadow crystal
>>4103584so basically the Netskies are actually FLASHING their bigtails at us the entire time after we get on the cliffs
>>4103599probably to tide people over during the WAIT, but had the side effect of fleshing out noelle far more than what toby intended to do with the game if you just read the sweepstakes, noelle seems like she's the de facto main character and all the events revolve around her in some capacity, when in game outside of chapter 2 she has a couple of token scenes in ch4 and 5 and is otherwise completely irrelevant not to doomfag, but i really don't think we're going to see noelle in castle town during ch6, every single chapter ending has been a cliffhanger and every chapter opening has been a rugpull, i don't see why ch6 would be any different
>>4103536why did toby say that there was something more important than the ending when everything important about the game is literally on the ending then?
>>4103599from the very beginning of the sweepstakes, toby made it clear it was all apocryphatoby isn't the sort of writer that cares too much about plot holes or lore consistency, he even made characters in the game express that view point
I want to fight a sun sized god netski
I want to kiss a ceroba sized and ceroba shaped netskie
>>4103484Kris gets outed as a traitor in chapter 6 rather than 7 as everyone's expecting and has to finally accept us as her one remaining friend, actually going through character progression and comes to care about usI mean damn, we save everyone in chapter 4 and Kris throws us in the trash in 5
>>4103484I don't have any hopes other than whatever is revealed will be interesting and that the gameplay and music are good. Also that the suselle scenes, if there are any, hopefully aren't too annoying, ideally letting you skip them if you want.
>>4103598Kris looks pregnant here.
>>4103613I dunno about this approach for a substitute vessel, anon
>>4103611what if kris gets outed as a traitor and he blames the soul?
>>4103613my little girl is finally giving me grandchildren...
>>4103615i would be annoyed but laugh, well played you little shit
>>4103615Then the little bastard can try to speedrun saving the world before she rots to death without us
>>4103616The moment the Vessel appears in Side A Toriel will do her best to make him and Kris get together for totally innocent reasons.
>>4103616>>4103623It's always funny when pictures try WAY too hard and just come off as embarrassingWe get it, you're lonely, but you will NEVER have this
>>4103623>all caps FRIENDlmao
>>4103624you're rightkrissy belongs to the doe
>>4103624A rabbi just came up to me and said “I am the reason you cannot have this”He had tears in his eyes, he said “I wish it wasn’t so. I wish you could have this. But my hand is forced”I cried out “Who! Who is making you do this!”He said “you wouldn’t believe me… it’s ERAM”
>wasting the file count willy-nilly>on shipping shit no lesssoooo this is just a less mentally ill version of /utg/ at this point, right?
I would argue it's more mentally ill since the schizos we're stuck with are a pain in the ass.
>>4103632>lessMore that we have schizos who care about the game and desperately wanting it to be THEIR Deltarune, compared to /utg/ who doesn't care about the game outside of Tranny Ralsei "evidence" and instead fixate on how much they want to fuck the characters.
>>4103632>Whining about image count at 3000 posts
>>4103632anon we are over 3000 posts this thread is on it's way out
>>4103632might as well embrace the mental illness
>>4103632we're on 3000 posts, we can afford that
michael will return in chapter 6
>>4103642
>>4103642>>4103643what's going on here..
>>4103642>your bin brother>>4103643>see dise so bad?
>>4103648Korean artist please understandu.
some madgore before the thread is done
september 2026 i am forgotten, i am forgotten
>>4103651>looks like some kitties will be turned into barbecue next
>>4103592>if the knight is wearing something pure blackThe knight's armour is made of ShadowCrystals/BlackShards, which keep their form in the light world. It is an actual set of armour.>external armour while the lightner inside is normalThen how come the lightner inside isn't getting the William Afton treatment when they rip open their chest and jaw, or when they turn into a bird, or when they turn into a ball, or become a glitchy mess of static? The armour has to be apart of their body.
>>4103598Kriselle >>> Krusie
>>4103655how strong do you think the knight is in the light world? like do they keep their levitation, and perhaps a humble strength boost? lol. they carried undyne and asgore.
>>4103655why can kris and susie turn into balls in the dark world as if they were sonic the hedgehog? either the knight is normal and just performing some kind of magic to do all that shapeshifting shit, or, hear my theory, the roaring knight's armor is actually secretly empty and it's being controlled like a "meat" puppet by the real knight's soul that's lying inside of the knight's armor (likely inside the chest armor), like a vessel, so while the roaring knight is busy with you, the REAL knight is out there, rotting in a bed sick without a soul (just like kris when they rip us out of their body), keeping their eyes closed to keep their thoughts focused on what the "knight" is seeing (since kris thinking about susie or noelle or the knight allows us to see what they're doing), this also explains why the knight's helmet begins to "come off", kris doesnt want you to know that the knight is actually an armor with a soul being controlled in a similar way to them, since it would narrow down the potential knight options to, at least, three options: Kris, Dess, and Rudy holiday (you could argue that carol's pale skinny grinch look is because she's "rotting" without a soul but she seems mostly fine otherwise, so we can brush that theory aside for now)>Kris' original soul COULD be inside the knight's armor, and since we control their body, they dont have to worry about micromanaging two bodies at once, meaning that they just have to keep their intent in holding back with both bodies>dess is simple since she could be rotting in the bunker and focusing hard on the knight's armor, then again, she only fits because we dont know shit about her and could have any made up theories shoved up her ass to explain how she functions as the knight, it doesnt explain how she could get into the library since both she and the armor would be noticed anyways
>>4103663 (me)part 2>rudy has his eyes closed most of the time, he is sick all the time due to having no soul, and he can either sneak into the library and hide in the closet, OR, rudy snuck the knight armor in the closet at some point and made the knight get out and open the fountain while sitting in his bed
>>4103660They're strong like Carol who was fast and strong as fuck.
>>4103668or Rudy, who's just as strong as Asgore. Dunno about Dess on this..
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>>4103663>the roaring knight's armor is actually secretly empty this bit reminded me of a schizo theory regarding dess!knight which i found sort of interesting. it states that the knight is a projection with mass (think steven universe's gems) which is why it glitches the fuck out when damaged. this projection is controlled by dise from the other side through frequencies (song from the lake) which cover the entire fucking town.
>>4103676people are gonna be so sad when there is a bunch of these attacking you like generic ruddins
>>4103677i still find it amusing how toby killed nearly all friend headcanons with one little patch.https://youtu.be/gHcmevu5Kzw
>>4103678At least we still have ERAM, only problem is we still don't know what it actually looks like since it was just using MANTLE to control the Shadow Mantle it inserted into the game, so people still flock to FRIEND since its possible designs are far more immediately appealing than John Mantle with creative liberties.Just gotta keep up the WAIT until 7B, then we should finally see the bastard for real.
>>4103681It's sprite_nondescript_room_hands aka the green and blue snake that shows up when ralsei talks about dark worlds. Seriously how am i the only one who noticed this?>>4100826
>>4103681FRIEND fags shouldn't have the nerve to complain they got shafted when ERAM was basically everything they were looking forward to.
I still remain of the idea the Side B Soul is the entity behind THAT DAY.
>>4103690The soul doesn't have a tail???
>>4103691The Tail of Hell's depiction might not be literal, just as the Queen's Chariot depicting her car is not literal on the normal route.
>>4103691If it's spooky form looked like Giygas (or Red from Godzilla.Nes) it could have something resembling one.To be fair my want for Entity SOUL is mostly fueled by "IT WOULD BE SO AWESOME, IT WOULD BE SO COOL"
>>4103691>*Your SOUL is filled with the power of swishing its big fluffy $$$$-ing tail.
>>4103694>W-woah!!! (destroys buildings because it's so big) YOU GUYS!!!
>>4103695>>W-woah!!! (destroys timelines because it's so big) YOU GUYS!!!
>>4103687For example:>The concept of a green and blue snake being part of a duo with a pink and yellow cat (FRIEND) has existed since chapter 1.>The monster movie poster turns into _hands. The chair in the same room has already been established to have a metaphorical connection to FRIEND. ("That chair is gonna kick your ass.") So it's not much of a stretch to say the same would apply to _Hands>The Z rank room LITERALLY has a direct connection to MANTLE, where ERAM appears.>The Z rank room is where Spamton got the call that caused his downfall, implied to be caused by the "cat owner" Pink talks about.>ERAM summons cats during his battle, and with the aformentioned connection to the Z rank room and MANTLE's connections to Spamton (and the weird route which Spamton is heavily tied to) makes it pretty obvious he was Spamton's benefactor.Like.................................... How has no one besides me made this connection? Are theorists just retarded??? The equivalent to this would be if the Z rank room had 2 enormous golden portraits emblazened with the visage of sprite_mysteryman, and the manhole lead to the entry number 17 room in Undertale, and nobody in the fandom ever made the connection between mysteryman and Gaster.
>>4103698ill consider it anon :). im partial to it looking like kris.
>>4103698>How has no one besides me made this connection?I've been saying ERAM was the owner of the friends and the second voice since last year.
>>4103701Okay but im talking about ERAM looking like sprite_nondescript_room_hands, which literally no one has ever pointed out for some reason. ERAM being the cat owner is a pretty common theory.
>>4103702Meh, I think it's just gonna be a deep darkness enemy later on.Echidna believers getting a win would be wild though.
>>4103704>Uhhh that's just a generic depthnerOkay, so what do the posters in the Z rank room represent, if not the thing the posters are literally shown to be connected to?What is the "green and blue" snake foreshadowed by Jockington's existence? Why would it be considered the "ultimate duo" with FRIEND? Why would that be foreshadowed since chapter 1 if it's "duo" with FRIEND was meaningless and it was just an unimportant lategame enemy, like the chapter 7 equivalent of a final froggit or something?
>>4103544This is why I don't read newsletters, you people vibe-predicted a whole lotta bullshit and it's cringy to look at now.
>>4103706>* Eram is definitely a _hands!
What if ERAM is never mentioned again?
>>4103544It was funny when people said the sun was a nuke dropping
>>4103291>Want to give your player avatar a cool girlfriend or boyfriend? LMAOThat was an odd thing to include with the rest.
>>4103312Something plot related that we're not allowed to know about
>>4103715Yeah because when did the choice of giving the Vessel a boy/girlfriend ever come up?
>>4103291>raped: the post
>>4103346>purifying the titan spawnsYou mean the way you disintegrate them and absorb them? Yeah nothing violent about that.
Isn't the Soul just Chara's soul again
>>4103715There is a difference between some characters not wanting the protagonist and the protagonist being blocked from going out with characters who are actually interested.
>>4103717Persona 5, I guess
>>4103722Kris doesn't want to date Pink
>>4103722Uh ok dude
>>4103724I'm not talking about her.
>only dude on earth who accurately predicted the ch5 secret boss was a mexican niggai need to up my schizo game because holy shit. the hints were all over the newsletters.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0591C7efSvA
>>4103632For me it's when images are wasted on non Undertale/Deltarune images.
Where the heck is the new thread btw?
>>4103728Mew Mew was a pretty good bet for a boss but it's the theory nobody really wanted to bank on
Move.>>4103734>>4103734>>4103734
>>4103724He was serious when I played as him
>>4103672googoo gaga ass nigga
>>4103677I thought people already treated friends as an enemy class with different forms of them? ERAM not being the giant friend is just the annoying part. For me I just feel like orange doesn't go well visually with yellow and pink. A magenta or yellow mouth ERAM might look too strange I guess
>>4103724Yeah but when I tried to get my vessel back from ERAM after they promised to return it to me, it was all used up
>>4103674i think the knight paralleling the kris-soul sounds more plausible
