Discuss what this means. Why is Chapter 6 purple? Why is there no hammer in 3 and 5? Who will make the fountain in Chapter 6?
>>4103734No hammer = Kris made the fountainHammer = Knight made the fountainPurple Chapter 6 = Color scheme for that chapter
>>4103728A while before the release, fangamer shared some shirt featuring Mew Mew and Asgore.Since that moment I felt it might be a real possibility, though I must say I wasn't thrilled with how it actually turned out.
I'm betting everything on Kriselle.
>>4103734ALWAYS BET ON REVERSE UNDERTALE THEORY
>>4103739In hindsight the pink and grey cats in mantle teased it pretty heavily but we didn't believe.Also toby goes out of his way to include this tidbits of mew stuff like Alphys review autism that makes kris cringe.
>>4103740That's a pretty risky bet, buddy.
>>4103742Yeah but she also said shit like the symptons which never ever happened.
Susie sweep.
>>4103746Wasn't that a mew 1 thing?Might be toby doing some weird meta commentary again where even fucking mew is different from her 'original'
>>4103748nothing ever implied that, she just dislikes mew mew 1
If the Knight did make the Ch1 fountain, the Ch5 dark world is like Kris's own second sanctuary. With that in mind, one might believe that Susie is subconsciously a better composer than Kris, as The Second Sanctuary is a really good song while Garden of Hopes and Dreams makes me want to tear my ears out. From this we can conclude that Kris made Castle Town's Grand Fountain because 4rd Sanctuary is just as bad. Deltarune solved.
>>4103734Pretty sure that purple on chapter 6 is used during the eram fight no?
Will Krusie ever return?
Any objects you'd like to see turn into darkners in chapter 6? And if possible, ideas/theories on what they could be?
>>4103751>ERAM enter during chapter 6Jesus christ anon don't bait me like this
>>4103751Big if truePLEASE let them return Toby, not just their lackeys.
>>4103754I mean there is that ICE-E tube guy in the basement. And ICE-E is very deeply tied to ERAM. (Just for an example, the first piece of foreshadowinge ever relating to ERAM was from the ICE-E word search.)
>>4103755I mean ERAM was always going to be relevant, the question is just if he's going to be relegated to side b or not.I think not but he might not be beatable in the normal route, kinda similar to the knight in ch3 where you get cutscene jutsu'd
>>4103742I thought the cats were Catty and Catti before 5 lol.
>>4103754Ik not trying to bait I'm pretty sure the top color is from phase 2 and the bottom one is phase 3Clearly more evidence for Sjelter chapter 6
>>4103752No. Susie is a bad friend.
>>4103753Rudy's roses that are in a glass cage in the hospital.
>>4103753more diced20 pippins boss
PREDICT THE GIMMICK FOR CHAPTER 6TOBY HAS WENT OUT OF HIS WAY TO SAY IT DOES HAVE GIMMICKS
>>4103728there were a few people here who predicted it though they usually didn't think mad dummy would be involved
>>4103765smash bros style fighting
>>4103753I don't wanna get my hopes up like with the dragon book, but there are some items I can't see NOT being Darkners if it's taking place at the Holidays'>Non-negotiable: Dess' guitar, Angel doll, the Santas, something from Carol's room (probably the plant)>Would be cool: basement ICE-E, Noelle's cats, holiday treat catcher, the tree(s), the piano, something else from Dess' room like her bat, True Cool Trashy>Cool again but might be too much: heart pillows, bronzed snowflakes, Carol's katanas, basement boombox, Noelle's PC or TV
>>4103756>The defleated ICE-E tube guy in Carol's basement also shows up in the switch-exclusive dog shrine in UndertaleAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>4103766way back in the day (2 years ago) I used to entertain Mew Mew being the chapter 3 secret boss since she is an anime character
>>4103765Just reused gimmicks from the previous chapters.
>>4103768You should be damn aware Toby said to not expect many attention hungry darkners from now on. Expect something like the church again at best.
>>4103772I do hope toby reuses the ch5 platforming stuff, it was the most fun one by far.
>>4103773>misreading the newsletter>again
>>4103773They don't need to be too important, they can just be generic NPCs and enemies, but there is no reason for them not to show up unless Toby whips up an excuse like Tenna's contract. Dess's guitar is the only one that would be huge, and I mean H-U-G-E missed potential to not turn into a Darkner and I will really start doubting Toby if it stays an object.
Instead of Dess Guitar darkner you will get the Carol black katana darkner.
>>4103780The joke is that the katana isn't sharp and doesn't get straight to the point and she vagueposts about the Incident because she can't read the conspiracy board and all her knowledge comes from Carol's barely-comprehensible drunken ramblings at 3 AM
>>4103753i don't really believe in holiday mansion dark world
Reminder that Dess' guitar and the angel doll are the only objects in the game besides Tenna to have mandatory, prolonged scenes emphasizing their existence to the player.
>>4103784You can avoid the Angel doll in an Aborted Weird Route, instead ending up in TRASHY.
>>4103783Me too. It seems like chapter 7 material if Noelle isn't the angel
>>4103783Ok, which dark world will it be and what objects do you want to see?
>>4103768>I don't wanna get my hopes up>gets his hopes up
>>4103785Trashy is fucking dead on the aborted WR. You're just going to see a mangled corpse where Trashy would usually be and there'll be no dialogue for it. I do feel like the angel doll not being possessed is going to have very noticable changes to chapter 6 for the aborted WR though.
>>4103773The holiday household being a Dark World isn't even guaranteed either.
>>4103794It's the only location to have foreshadowing, buildup and teasers relating to it. The hospital would be smaller than card kingdom and the Sjelter is nowhere near being accessible since we're still missing two codes.
>>4103794Hospital either since he'd need to a acknowledge Berdly being iced during an aborted weird route and I don't think he wants to do that
>>4103765Beat 'em up sections reusing the platforming code culminating in a fight on the toy train
>>4103796Maybe 1 code. Susie says that the police code is "another code" so there's a chance that she knows the guitar code
>>4103796Also, the holiday house is the only place we haven't had a dark world in that also has a shelter code.
>>4103796The Dark would will be wherever Kris finds it useful to distract Susie. I think both hospital and manor are the two least probable candidates for that.
>>4103765Point and click adventure
>>4103804I will forgive Toby for Chapter 5 if this winds up being the case.
>>4103799Susie specifically said she doesn't have the code.>There was... a code, for the Shelter.>... Didn't get to write it down, but...>Damn it! We were so close to something.>... Guess we just gotta... try again tomorrow.>>4103801>The Dark would will be wherever Kris finds it useful to distract Susie.Entirely headcanon, and also nonsensical for the plot's direction given everywhere else is a literal meme location.
>>4103796We still don't have the Delta Rune code, wherever the fuck that is. Apparently the best bet we have is it's inside Kris' house (but that would make Kris pretty incompetent if they didn't know the code inside your own goddamn house)
>>4103806>Susie said she couldn't remember 4 numbers so I'll just have to believe her
>>4103796What if it ends up being Susie's home?
>>4103809Anon the codes are more than just 4 numbers. Flower King's code already proved that.
>>4103811....Why would it be Susie's apartment? Susie doesn't even want to go to her place anymore.
>>4103796>The hospital would be smaller than card kingdomWhich makes it perfect for a shorter and straight forward chapter that 6 is, good.
>>4103813Unironically my only clue is that Chapter 6 has a purple color theme. Susie is purple. It isn't conclusive proof, but I have that hunch. We know Kris's house and Noelle's, but we haven't be inside Susie apartment not once. I think it is time.
>>4103797Simple, only Rudy's room is the Dark World.
>>4103815That sounds pretty shit, actually. Also "short" relative to what?
>>4103819To all the other chapters. Also your personal opinion doesn't mean it won't happen.
>>4103773>>4103779Chapter 6 dark world is Castle Town + Unused Classroom 2. The classroom is empty which means an empty dark world based on the Cliffs dusty darkness we see in Chapters 1 and 3. The Knight raids Castle Town to grab Noelle and reopens the great door on their escape route. It's easier and faster to make because it's full of reused assets and no new darkners because the enemies are rehashed old enemies. We get to fight super schizo Seam for the pure crystal. The code is behind Alvin's drawing of Gerson.
>>4103821The third code is in Toriel's room.
>>4103753An idea I had for the guitar is that it would pretend to be Susie's sidekick and emulate her since she was the first one to play with it in years, and another darkner (maybe the treatcatcher) would try to separate them because Susie's being a bad influence on the guitar darkner and making it sound unrecognizable. (With Susie/Guitar/Treatcatcher representing Gaster/Dess/Kris)
>>4103774Most of us hated the platforming.
>>4103820>To all the other chapters.And you're basing this off of... what exactly?
>>4103825Being the only chapter Toby has ever called short.
>>4103826Didn't he call Chapter 2 small at some point? Look how that turned out
>>4103811That would be kino of the highest order unlike the mansion or hospital which would just be more Holiday wank (boring)
>>4103826That sounds like pretty retarded reasoning.
>>4103824Well I didn't so too bad for you guys. I am a Hollow Knight expert, this is piss easy for me.
>>4103827No, he always said it was the largest chapter.
>>4103827He said 2 was going to be the biggest one which is what you might be thinking of.
>suddenly Chapter 7 lasts 40 hours
>>41038357 will be the actual shortest and only clear up the immediate plot while not revealing anything for the grander world of the game
>>4103822The third code is in Kris' pants.
>>4103832Well that obviously isn't the case, so i don't think Toby Fox is reliable when it comes to claims about the size of chapters.
>>4103829This. Unless Toby says something that lines up with what I want in which case his word is unbreakable law.
>>4103836Wasn't it already confirmed that Chapters 7 and 7B are going to be long as fuck?
>>4103838It's longer than 3 which is what he was working on so I think it's safe to say 6 will not be a slog like 2, 4, and 5.
>>4103837The third code is inside Kris' vagina.
Do people who think that chapter 6's dark world takes place in the hospital believe that chapter 6 is just gonna be about Rudy dying of cancer with no plot progression at all? Literally nothing is there.
>>4103842Ah, so that's why we need Noelle to be part of group
>>4103843Realistically, we're still missing that final code sequence, which means Kris and Susie will need to go back Noelle's house. With Rudy dying and the rest of the Holidays stuck at the hospital it's the perfect chance to break in and search the place.
>>4103840They had better be
>>4103840Not really, the main reason why we call 7B big to the point it might be a completely different chapter is because of the number sizes in the ARG page
>>4103842*Kris' NEO Vagina
>>4103845>Noelle I know you dad is dying but I really need you to break me into your house to check your lost sister's guitar
>>4103847Don't you think that's what Toby is implying? He didn't make the number huge just to troll... right?
>>4103847>it might be a completely different chapterIt IS a completely different chapter. Otherwise there wouldn't be a seperate development progress bar.
>>4103843I think it will be about Noelle trying to open fountains to keep him alive, yes. They can get the two codes without being in the Dark World.
>>4103849They don't need to ask Noelle's permission. Kris used to sneak into Noelle's bedroom all the time when they were kid. This will be easy.
>>4103768You're expecting too much, Toby has even implied in newsletters that the Deltarune his fans see is very different from the one he's actually making, which to be fair should be expected after a decade of vagueposting
>>4103840It's only soft confirmed that 7 is going to include the most plot relevant information, I can definitely see not lots of things not being answered regardless
>>4103852>I think it will be about Noelle trying to open fountains to keep him aliveOkay but foreshadowing (OP's image) shows that the knight is the one who opens chapter 6's fountain. That and it also just generally seems stupid because if Noelle knows about dark worlds than that means she knows about the roaring??>>4103854It's a good thing you aren't writing deltarune because this is quite literally the most anticlimactic way of getting the codes possible.
>>4103857You don't have any imagination, do you? OBVIOUSLY something will go wrong OR Susie will catch Kris trying to get rid of the code and they'll have a fight inside Noelle's house, etc.
>>4103859>Light world battle theory>In chapter 6 of 7>In the year 2026Just wrap it up anon.
>>4103860Okay, what about this: Susie takes the guitar and runs away from Kris now that she knows they're bad news. Kris follows her to Castle Town, and stuff happens.
>>4103845>we're still missing that final code sequencewe have 1.75 of the codes, why do you think the focus will be on 0.25 instead of 1?
>>41038553 Darkners at bare minimum (one from Carol's room can be bumped down a tier to basically optional) isn't too much, is it?
>>4103863I still find it weird that we can't access Toriel's room. Maybe Toriel has part of the code inside her bedroom. Asgore and she were together at some point, and maybe he left something there.
>>4103863>.75Anon the code isn't literally 1225 you DUMB FUCK.
>>4103865It's a possibility, especially if the three parental lock codes having Toriel's face on them and toriel being the name of the variable that censors the deer sprites in the mantle game means anything
>>4103850Of course not, even if you love doomposting he wouldn't lie about the number sizes, while that still doesn't answer how long 7 will be in general, you can compare the duration of the sword route and snowgrave and multiply with the size of 7B, also he said most likely 7 will start developing at the end of the year, so 7b seems to be in the works way before 7a, which might be the strongest evidence that they are different chapters
...You all just started speedreading chapter 5 after seeing the Suselle cutscene didn't you?
0915199X is the Police code, which sounds like someone's birth date, probably Asriel's.1225XXXX should probably also be the incomplete birth date of Dess, with that same logic. So two codes are the birth dates of Hometown citizens. What should the third be?
>chapters 1-6 were just the intro>chapter 7 and onward takes min 250 hours to complete
>>4103871The police code is Undertale's release date, maybe the third is Deltarune's release date? Fitting with it being the DELTA RUNE code after all
>>4103756i spent way too much time schizo doodling on that dumb word search loli dont think i can even explain what i was going for here anymore, might give it another shot later today.
>>4103871The first date is the release date of Undertale.
>>4103873I highly doubt the code alludes to literally Undertale's release date in-universe. Sometimes characters have their birthdays given to the date of their first game released. Like Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>4103857>That and it also just generally seems stupid because if Noelle knows about dark worlds than that means she knows about the roaring??Noelle will obviously learn about it in Chapter 6 and think keeping Rudy alive is more important than anything.
>>4103876Forgot to type also. It's obviously a date for something else in-universe.
>September 15th 199X>Undertale's release dateDo you motherfuckers really?
>>4103880no, sept 15th 1997 is the date microsoft acquired webtvit's all just spamtenna/always was
>>4103880>xe doesn't know that undertale was released in 199x for the sega saturn and the 2015 is a remakebaka
Which Dess fanon design in your favorite?
>>4103886Goomy's.
>>4103886Big fan of catcow's design lately.
>>4103879Either the date of Asgore and Toriel's marriage or Asriel's birthdate.
>>4103886Would you love her if she looked like this?
>>4103886I like gum's
>>4103892That's honestly a pretty good design, I won't lie and say I wouldn't want Dess to be sexier but I think she has to look somewhat dorky to fit in with the rest of the designs, and this one is particular looks both cute and dorky, so I'd be quite happy with it.
>>4103857>this is quite literally the most anticlimactic way of getting the codes possibleCouldn't be more anticlimactic that what Toby Fox did, having them get found by accident
>>4103892>ifToby is not going to make Dess a full waifu. Dess is the cool big sis while Noelle the cute little sister.She is a tomboyish girl and this is probably what we will get: Rudy but more manly and female.
>>4103893I cannot imagine the generational aura loss for Catty and Bratty if them bullying Dess was canon
>>4103897How does a woman get manlier than Rudy?>>4103898They already kind of had one by being bitches to Pizzapants
>>4103900Mating press.
Here's your red flower schizo bro.https://youtu.be/-dtUxZu3HfY
>>4103900cute boymoding Kris on the left
>>4103904If Toby put the budget that went into the Pink fight into this then it would unironically be better than what we got>inb4 TOBY *gluck* RAPED *gluck* YOU
>>4103900THE GIRL
>>4103765The gimmick is that there will be no gimmick
>>4103866>Anon the code isn't literally 1225 you DUMB FUCK.where is the evidence it's longer than that
Kris dresses like a boy so there's less chance she'll get raped.
If the code is actually just 1225 it would cause irreparable damage to Susie's reputation, which would be pretty funny.
>>4103914How exactly?
>>4103911Protein!
>>4103914They did that themselves when they made the choice to write her as a retard.
>>4103906To be fair that fangame is just another fight against a femKris.
what’s the likelihood Noelle and Ralsei actually interact AT ALL in chapter 6? one of the main things that drew me to this game was the stupid characters yet Toby seems afraid to do anything with them until the grand finale
>>4103900THE RAPED
>>4103924And reduce screentime for s*selle and potential kriselle ansgt and even more dumb love triangle shit? no way sister, only drama now the fire mage leaves the party dragon blazers etc
>>4103927So much for the prince from the dark being one of the three heroes. They kinda forgot about that.
>>4103924The only reason they haven't interact I can think of is it's another of those things that when it happens, the entire plot will fall into place.My dream is aborted WR Noelle reverse Proceeds Ralsei into using his power.
>>4103930But they saw each other in chapter 2 and nothing happened besides Noelle thinnking Ralsei looks like Asriel.
>>4103930So Toby Fox is deliberaly holding out on doing anything interesting?
>>4103918Susie’s a retard because if she actually asked basic questions Toby’s vagueposting would immediately fall apart and he’d actually have to move the plot forward. Same reason other lightners aren’t allowed to know about the dark worlds they might question shit.
>>4103932Because nothing important was happening to be addressed
>>4103933Didn't he pretty much say in his letter that all that happy gay shit is over and that the interesting part is finally about to start? So yeah.
>>4103906Toby BROKE you.
>>4103934Can you just not write a story like that.
>>4103938So he wasted time. By his own admission he wasted time. And if suselle continues, the gay shit doesn't stop.
>>4103934Deltarune's story only works with a character like Susie, an outsider getting the first impressions into Kris and Noelle's lives and knows nothing of all the stuff happening. She's almost an isekai protagonist.
>>4103918Susie has grammar errors and misspellings as early as Chapter 1.
>>4103944Why couldn't it have someone else be that character instead of this retard.
>>4103946I thought she was doing that to make ralaei mad
>>4103944Why should Susie be the fucking protagonist and not my character.
>my character Your Vessel has been discarded though?
>>4103947Her retardation allows Kris, the evil manipulator, control Susie to continue with the plan without her knowing
>>41039538 years too long for this humiliation ritual.and getting my character at the very end of the game when where there's almost nothing to do with it does not justify that
>>4103954I don't like it.
>>4103957I like it.
I love Kris *kisses Kris on the forehead*
>>4103958Don't expect me to call it normal.
I hate Kris *kisses Kris on the forehead*
>>4103957You will be able to play dragon quest 7 with your vessel after you transfer your dr savefile, don't worry
>>4103963Dragon Quest 7 does not pull the publicity stunts that Deltarune does. It didn't go out of its way to do the exact things that would have made me angrier than anything else.
>>4103953It will return in Chapter 7.
>>4103961Nobody did.
It's assblasted schizophrenic time?
>>4103969These things are only done in the attempt to get the public to normalize them. What do you think people are saying when they call Deltarune "the perfect rpg"?
>>4103863We have all 3 codes since church code was also given
>>4103977Are those people in the room with us right now?
>>4103977I have never ever seen anyone call Deltarune "the perfect rpg"
>>4103981I did, just now
>>4103977Anon the audience surrogate thing is perfectly normal in writing. That's not the thing you should be mad about, come on... the meta ending and multiple devices shit is right there
>>4103984Susie is not an audience surrogate.
>>4103981Thank god because it's not even a rpg
do any of you think the unused content will have some relevance in a weird turnabout meta-narrative way or is it just going to remain unused forever?
>>4103985She is. She is also a self-insert because the intended audience of these games is gays.
>>4103988I'm not gay, go fuck yourself
>>4103979[citation needed]
babu
With friends like these, who needs enemies?
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>>4103994All the "friends" I ever had have been like this btw. Fucking stupid individualist society.
>>4103864I think it'd be reasonable but I'm also suspecting that darkners are truly unimportant to the plot because we're right about to hit the holiday family power hour into all the loose ends I assume chapter 7 will touch upon
>>4103994I'll behead her in Chapter 7B
>>4103994This bitch should have been expelled. I never liked her, from the moment she rejected Ralsei's call to adventure. She should have been replaced then.
>>4103996Anon, I'm sorry to say this, but... You've never had real friends. Because real friends would never do something like that.
>>4103994genuinely what the fuck was susie doing here?she's smart enough to pick up on that kris and noelle were super close in the past, but then ends on'yeah it sure is a good thing you two aren't close anymore so i can take her for myself'genuinely what the fuck is her problem? that might be the absolute worst thing you could tell your friend outside admitting to a heinous crime
>>4104006Speaking for Toby Fox at his absolute worst.Just vile.
>>4103993Cutie. It is a pity that it grows into a malevolent, friend-backstabbing, deer fucking, bloodthirsty demon of the abyss that will provoke the end of the world.
>>4104009Susie is worse
>>4104006I think it's just a combination of Toby fudging the writing and him attempting to give her flawsIt's hard to say because she barely has a backstory, it's all vague clues that might point to her being neglected, it is reasonable to expect her to act like this but it makes her much less likable
>>4104009kris has never betrayed anyone in her entire life, ever
>>4104006>genuinely what the fuck is her problemSusie acts like BVLL because Toby loves NTR. He is, after all, the King of Ero Games.
Reminder that the residents of hometown are retarded and don't care about anything that goes on, and the game still demands that you give a shit about any of them.
>>4104017If he's the king of ero games he'd let you date Noelle
>>4104009>friend-backstabbingI can't blame him for that. If I had friends like that >>4103994 I'd do the same.
>>4104019Sorry, but Toby prefers NTR to dating sims.
>>4103994Oh my GOD you fucking retards don't even play the game. This conversation is exclusive to the chapter 5 aborted weird route. "whatever's up with you two" entailed Kris and Noelle being so actively and obviously suicidal (but for different reasons) that even Susie, the retard she is was starting to get concerned for their wellbeing.
>>4104021Then he's a subversive who shouldn't be making games. I don't want this in Dq12.
>>4104006That picture is edited made by a disingenuous faggotSusie isn't saying Kris and Noelle's relationship is over now and that's a good thing, she's saying Kris and Noelle acting very strange and creepy refusing to tell her anything about the WR snowgraving thornringing is over which is a relief to her
>>4104024Kill yourself CoL.
>>4104026You first, cuck.
>>4104023>"whatever's up with you two" entailed Kris and Noelle being so actively and obviously suicidal (but for different reasons) that even Susie, the retard she is was starting to get concerned for their wellbeing.No, anon, she's talking about their relationship, too. Because Kris and Noelle were alone together and talked a bunch of times without Susie. She even asked Kris in Chapter 4, "What were you two talking about when you were alone? Why couldn't you talk in front of me?"
>>4104009There's a headcanon hidden here.
>>4104028>cuckToby Fox personally hired african-american mercenaries to kill your entire family. And yet you still play HIS DELTARUNE, talk about it and allow it to live rent free in your head 24/7...
>>4104025>That picture is edited made by a disingenuous faggot>Susie isn't saying Kris and Noelle's relationship is over now and that's a good thingShe says this after asking Kris if he likes anyone. Stop making up fucking excuses.
>>4104033Bruh, they didn't kill anyone.
>>4104032Yeah, sorry. Kris is no demon of the abyss.
>>4104017I detest those who put on an act but fail entirely to meet those standards. He is king of nothing. It is the same with those who call themselves edgy; they are not remotely edgy, save for their pathetic little jokes.
Can someone make a mod where Rudy's sprites are replaced with Rudolf Hess and upload it to gamebanana? Rudy Hess would be funny, I think.
>>4104030>she's talking about their relationship, too....No?? "whatever's up with you too" is very obviously talking about the WR from both Susie's personal perspective, and also in the metacontext of questioning whether or not the weird route is actually over.>>4104035I don't know, maybe you should stop being a fucking spaz who thinks a fictional character is out to get you?
>>4104035Good job ignoring everything I said
>>4104009they're still cute
has anyone else disliked susie from chapter 1 onwards or is it just me
Can we go back to discussing chapter 6's dark world? It was better than talking to the same schizos about the same topics for the hundredth time.
>>4104046all in on ice-e's + sewer dark world
>>4104046I think Rudy will join in and be the first DR adult to be part of the party. I also think he will look like The Batter.
>>4104037Ya missed.
>>4104050FINE fine. Kris is no malevolent and actually has good intentions.
>>4104041>>4104042Yeah, bro, Susie definitely wasn't talking about Kris and Noelle's relationship.
You're all going to look back on these years of your life as a complete embarrassment because you spent thousands of posts complaining about a game that came together at the end as a truly unique and transcendent experience.
why did asgore go to college to become a police officer, wouldn't he go through police academy instead?
>>4104003Yes I know this that's why friends is quoted.
>>4104057He majored in psychology then failed to get a job so then he became a cop
>>4104056>a truly unique and transcendent experience.
>>4104056This but the game will be dumpster trash garbage in the end
>>4104045Me! Me!
Cyclical Prophecy is realThere are two major plot points the game won't disclose: the Last Prophecy and That Day. Both have been categorized as tragedies with major consequences to all the characters involved. What happened "That Day" resulted in December becoming lost. What will happen in the Last Prophecy is something terrible implied to do with The Girl. And now we are certain there were dark worlds opened in the past. The entire point of not exposing what happened That Day and in the Last Prophecy is because they're the same thing. Dess was the previous Girl and her fate is to be lost to the dark. Susie is doomed to be struck by the same fate.
>>4104033>And yet you still play HIS DELTARUNEThat's because CoL personally sold his family out for like 20 bucks. He may as well have pulled the trigger to murder his family himself before spending tens of hours playing a game he hates. There is no one in the world more self-cucked than CoL.
>>4104061Every time you post this that one Carly Rae (I think it's hers?) song plays in my head
>>4103994>>4104055>>4104061I don't understand how people don't see how shit this is, if you look at the Kris and Noelle scenes in the festival then the Susie and Noelle scenes are pure agony from the sheer quality difference. All suselle scenes are just the same goddamn shit writing. Its just Susie talking about her heartbeat again and again while Kris and Noelle is writing is incredibly well written and subtle. I can't even do the cope that its intentionally poorly written because its just obviously wrong, if a writer they would write it in such way that foreshadows it falling apart, people need to face that Toby is just writing the worst romance to ever exist and putting it because this isn't even the first time he has done it. We had the offputting gay knights and granny troon lion but people just moved past it or cheered it because it was "gay representation" now we have people cheering Suselle too and its just two characters written by a retard talking about how their heartbeat is so goodThere's a goddamn reason Susie is saying this and the reason why is the same reason why you can only go with Noelle in the weird route. Its bad. Its somehow bad. I have no faith in Toby somehow subverting this. The only way Toby subverts this is if all those scenes were miswritten by the ghost writer and his intentions are completely different.
The Side B Soul is the entity behind THAT DAY (and It looked like Giygas)
>>4104041>>4104042So it turns out you guys are the ones who haven't played the game? Susie's defenders are just as retarded as she is.
>>4104055I don't know why people blame Susie when it's entirely on Kris and Noelle for leading her on and not talking about their relationship at all. I guess you all believe that in cases of adultery, it's all the fault of the person who got cheated on.
>>4104066>Susie is doomed to be struck by the same fate.No way Toby would do this to his precious Mary Sue
>>4104061>>4104069The only way you can hate Suselle is if you pretend it's played straight as Alphyne 2.0 and not the very clearly telegraphed subversion of classic "love at first sight" WR paints it as.
>>4104072Kris refuses to tell Susie literally anything and does not answer her questionsSomehow, it's all Susie's fault
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINEDOMEGA ASGORE
>>4104056I never complain and actually love the game outside of the shitty forced yuri. My only real genuine complaint is at the end of Chapter 5. Did Toby really think it would be a good time for Susie to talk to Kris about Noelle joining the gang? Like seriously girl?? When Kris's dad was literally just kidnapped a few minutes ago??? Not only that, but if you complain to Susie, Kris puts the SOUL in a balloon and walks her home. Dude, your dad just got kidnapped. I know you're working with the Knight, but at least pretend to be worried.
>>4104074Was going to call you a retard but then I realized half the reason I even care is because everyone outside of here thinks Suselle is amazingMaybe you're right, whatever
>>4104073She's not a Mary Sue, machine god says so.
>>4104067You still think they actually killed someone?
>>4104078The one thing I'll admit is Chapter 5's ending is some real anticlimatic bullshit after Chapter 4's fantastic closing
>>4104081Sasuga Toby for fooling the AI gods
>>4104069>I don't understand how people don't see how shit this is Most people simply don't analyze what's happening in the game or what they're reading. The information just passes through their brains without being analyzed. Most people love Suselle simply for political reasons: "OMG, THEY'RE LESBIANS! YURI!!" and that kind of garbage. They don't care how well it's written, as long as it's in the game. >if you look at the Kris and Noelle scenes in the festival then the Susie and Noelle scenes are pure agony from the sheer quality differenceTHIS. God, I love smart people like you. The world needs more smart people, not retards who don't even understand what they're reading.
>>4104078>Noelle joining the gang?This legit should have been done at the end of 4 where they only made it through because of another person joining in at the end. I don't know for sure whether they were switched or not but I can see why so many people think that 4 and 5 were modified a bit and swapped for whatever reason.
>>4104086>THIS. God, I love smart people like you. The world needs more smart people, not retards who don't even understand what they're reading.Well as a smart intelligent person I'm somehow reading this as sarcasm and not sarcasm.
>>4104082If CoL believes Toby funded terrorists that killed his cousins then by golly it is my duty to remind him who funded those freedom fighters by buying Toby's masterpiece.
>>4104046It's the hospital and the angel doll Noelle and Dess made will give us lots of lore.
>>4104068carly simon?
>>4104082He needs his boogeyman to be an aggressive masc school shooter or else he can't have night fantasies about him
Chuds: this game isn't for you.
>>4104077Do we have a disappointment bingo template for ch7? I think the free space can already be Asgore still not receiving any character development.
>>4104074>>4104076Kris can't tell Susie everything for obvious reasons. But Susie, that dumb bitch, already figured out there's something going on between those two, yet she still decides to pursue Noelle.
>>4104089But...they didn't. You actually fell for that.Dude, this guy doesn't pay for shit.
>>4104061I wonder how people will see Suselle when Deltarune ends.
>>4104097Kris is a subhuman who refuses to tell Susie to not get inbetween him and Noelle, I think your version of Kris is incorrect here
>>4104097>Kris are you and Noelle a thing>*refuses to answer*>Okay I love Noelle I'll date her>AAHHHH NOO FUCK YOU FUCK YOU SUSIE HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME (Kris never said this but you are projecting)
>>4104069the gay knights were bara kemono KINO(everything else i agree with 100%)
>>4104096You can't make one for 7 until 6 comes out.Also what is disappointing for one isn't for the other in regards to 7B (for example some people would hate Hometown Massacre being canon to 7B while others wouldn't)
>>4104103Kris obviously doesn't want Noelle to get close to them for some reason. Noelle is either the girl of the prophecy, or the Angel, or is fated to die if she gets involved, and Kris wants her far away from all that shit.
>>4104099Kek at the retard doing a neutral or shitposter playthrough of the thread. As a pacifist poster I believe everything everyone tells me.
>>4104095It's okay it's not for normalfags either.My money is all on trans Ralsei and a TADC-tier ending.I WANT Toby's career to end.
>>4104095>appealing to AI as an authoritysaar... please...
>>4104114DR will do numbers and Toby will have his team make a third game with even less player choice
>>4104110>for example some people would hate Hometown Massacre being canon to 7BHuh? People like that exist?
>>4104102>>4104103Once again, Kris wants to protect Noelle. He can't grow close to Noelle because it would put her in danger, and that's why he's distanced himself from her. He just can't fucking tell them the whole truth, he needs to keep his distance. The same goes for Susie. She needs to know as little as possible, because the whole plan depends on it.
>>4104118>huh? not everyone is an edgy 14 year old like me?
>>4104117Why don't they all get hired by Hollywood to do a movie?
>this is what toby considers foreshadowingfucking lol, all this tells me is that any amount of random throwaway bullshit might actually be important later, even gags
>>4104122Anon wanting a thing that's advertised in the game is not being edgy... I paid actual money for this
>>4104118I want Deltarune to be interesting not your school shooter fantasy simulator
>>4104123>this apple seed will grow an apple tree>WHY DON'T THE APPLES FALL AND GROW A CHEESEBURGERThe sharty isn't sending their brightest
>>4104118Yeah, they exist in this very thread.
>>4104119And all of that sucks. I signed for sealing dark fountains, not Death Note but with a mute Light Yagami
>>4104125>advertised in the gameBut it didn't advertise anything, it just gave you a spooky level in a video game's video game that might not amount to anything in the end. Or are you going to argue that 6 or 7 will feature a beach level too?
>>4104119>She needs to know as little as possible, because the whole plan depends on it.This is the only part of Deltarune that I'm worried Toby could fuck up. If it turns out in the end that everything could have been prevented if Kris had just been honest from the beginning, then I will hate Deltarune forever.
>>4104127It is already interesting, you got a Ralsei crossdressing scene. What more do you want, tranny?
Hold upJust found out what Kris's theme song would behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-daTpfB-7K4
>>4104130Show me which chapter doesn't involve sealing a dark fountain. I'll wait.
>>4104134Kris loves piano tho. If anything that will be Dess's theme
>>4104135Chapter 7B. I came from the future btw.
>>4104054I meant that he never fucked a deer, a deer RAPED him instead.
>>4104132>Kris had just been honest from the beginning, then I will hate Deltarune forever.It won't be. Chapter 5 exists to show the power of friendship can't save the day and the tragedy written in fate is bound to happen
>>4104128A video game without player choice mattering is a movie.This is what the team is doing now, by removing agency to the player.Truth is these trannies Fox included are all failed Hollywood screenwriters straight out of liberal arts.They don't care and have never cared about the medium of video games.
>>4104124DR is annoying because something seems random and you complain about it then 5 people chime in to say>NUH-UH, ACTUALLY FAGGOTY BLOOK HAD ONE LINE OF MISSABLE DIALOGUE IN SCHOOL WHERE HE SAID "I brought a rug to school lol (there is a small rolled up rug in his backpack" WHICH PERFECTLY FORESHADOWED BLISKIN PETE BETRAYING YOU AT THE RED CARPET GALA
>>4104019He's the king of modern ero games now, and modern ero games are all NTR.
>>4104139I am now a DQ7 fan...
>>4104137Sadly I think putting those lyrics (or even just the same message) on a song with a Piano would be challenging.
>>4104135It's already getting messier since the number of dark fountains keep increasing and of course like everything in this "story" we don't know why.
>>4104143>A video game without player choice mattering is a movie.So every JRPG ever
>>4104124That's literally the case, Queen worrying about Noelle noclipping in the normal route was actually Toby giggling to himself because he was specifically referring to Weird Route 5.
>>4104143Nobody:Deltarune: *is one of the most gameplay-centric games in existence*Also Deltarune: *in your path*
>>4104096We need to wait for Chapter 6 to release so we can know what will happen in 7.
>>4104134erm, that's not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olsxc-1KhwY
>>4104150Right. So. Which chapter doesn't have you sealing any dark fountains at all?
>>4104118Yes, mostly Kriselle shippers that hate all Mantle foreshadowing.
>>4104152maybe, but it also was relevant to noelle being a known game glitcher in the sweepstakes we don't actually know if they clipped under the lake, it's a fun theory but toby could easily making it be something else
>>4104158Oh, the "everything I don't like is Kriselle shippers" thing again, huh?
>>4104124I actually said this was the yellow flower and not woodyshit during the entire waiting period for 5.
>>4104151In JRPGs your choice is managing your resources when grinding so you don't get instakilled by the next boss. It's a fun system and it worked for decades because people enjoyed this mechanic. But like everything that demands effort it eventually got subverted by the woke crew who demands more politics and less difficulty so that games can be played by babies and that's where we are now. Even Toby admitted in his last newsletter that he wanted to make baby's first platformer.
>>4104159If they drowned, then the prophecy would have sperged out and forced them to the Suselle lake scene because it refuses to let The Cage and The Girl's love interests die.
>>4104161He is not wrong tho. Noelle dies or gets used up in the Mantle's game. Susie and Ralsei and lots of monsters also die.
>>4104161>Immediately feeling called out and shrieking defensively despite it saying "mostly"God, you're so easy.
>>4104164>managing your resources when grinding so you don't get instakilled by the next boss.So just like DR? Toby is still the king of JRPGs I guess.
>>4104162it was both, so you being half right and half wrong cancelled itself out
>>4104164>In JRPGs your choice is managing your resources when grinding so you don't get instakilled by the next boss. Still a movie game, the player has 0 input in the story.
>>4104171DR barely has a leveling system, so it doesn't fully qualify as a JRPG.It has consumables, and no flee option, which qualifies it for being in the same genre as Sticker Star.
>>4104178>no flee optionLook what just stopped being a JRPG.
>>4104175Okay let me tackle the RP part of JRPG then. JRPGs are supposed to have a self-insert, since the game medium allows for greater immersion than movies. What does DR do? Subvert the self-inserting part of the main character.
7B will be Kriselle date and ERAM as a silly villain!https://youtu.be/JOK7MEdsXeg?t=229
ERAM will never appear again and FRIEND will never be explained. Yes that means nothing Pink did was ever relevant.
>>41041887 will be just be a black screen with ''thanks for the 25$ dumbass''
>>41041897 will just be arcade mode where you do all 6 chapters with no story and can walk through and spare all the enemies in battles lmao
>>4104173Nope, Yellow is still not Woody despite Toby making him look like him. The actual Woody theory lost.
>>4104124yeah that's partly why i think "multiple playthroughs" will be necessary for getting the game to reach it's natural conclusion.
>>4104190I thought that was 7B
>>4104185>They just recreated board 2 but Kris nor Noelle get used up and they just meet Eram as a quirky villainWhy is every fanmade 7B take so bad?
>>41041947B is story mode with no fights
>>4104195Because they try to cope with Side B not being about Kriselle and instead being about the stinky SOUL
>>4104198>7B is story mode with no fightsWe already know there is enemies and bosses so you are wrong. Noelle and Kris are up for some battles.
>>4103734RUINS COLORS REVERSE UNDERTALE THEORY
>>4104209Toby Fox would subvert that out of spite.
>>4104195Noelle and even Kris dying at a door would just be as silly honestlyImagine jobbing to a door lmao, dragon ball would be jealous
>>4104212>Toby Fox would subvert Toby Fox out of spiteHuh?
>>4104212out of spite, due to what?
>>4104213DOOR-SAMA???
>>4103756>the first piece of foreshadowinge ever relating to ERAM was from the ICE-E word searchI don't see it can you please explain?
>>4104209>your obvious funpost isn't factual, actuallyThanks, autist.
>>4104195>>4104199Well whats YOUR idea of a good 7B take, huh?
>>4104217Themes and such about how players who attack enemies or don't want Suselle don't deserve anything.
>>4103765its going to be themed off of the cyan soul>CH4 introduced climbing, CH5 binds it to the blue soul >CH5 introduces platforming, very blatantly the blue soul. will get bound to the mode in CH6>CH6 will introduce a mode that'll reflect the cyan soul mode, and CH7 will bind it to the soul modethe only question is what the fuck a cyan soul themed gimmick could be.
>>4104221The snowman named "Nightmare" (ERAM is called nightmare in the game files) and has a smiling mouth with two pointed fangs.
>>4104222>obviousDoubt. We have some real dumbasess here.
>>4104224Luv me Hometown Massacre (not racist, just business)
>>4104225Side B is already for players who were willing to break up Suselle and attack enemies.The development progress update specifically for 7B shows combat.>toby lies!!!Ralsei lying through his teeth about the content of the Prophecy is not remotely the same as Toby himself deciding to lie to you about the content of the development his team has done.
>>4104224You find a game console like ch3 and you can play dragon quest 7
>>4104213>>4104224They could simply not include Mantle allusions if they're going to just omit the parts they don't like or imply Kris and Noelle being used up is just then getting a scratch and losing some blood.
>>4104234Member chapter 5? It ended with nothing. I played that first, and it was shit.
>>4104178Actually, Sticker Star is better in this regard. Sticker Star HAS a flee option, and its battles are equally worthless, so you dont have to sit there wasting your time on a fight that gives you nothing unlike Deltarune
>>4104228Fuck i see it
>>4104232>An exact repeat of genocide.... BUT WITH MORE HYPE MOMENTS AND AURA>>4104225>>4104236Kill yourself CoL.
>>4104238And? How does that relate to 7B?>7B will be the same as 5BExplain why you think that when we have plenty of evidence to the contrary.
>>4104209>Noelle and Kris are up for some battles.>Noelle and KrisAnon...
>>4104243Because I do not trust the writers to do anything of value anymore. It was a prank.
Where did you read being used up is literal?>They disappear after the lineDoesn't prove anything? Or it will be the same for Your Vessel which was discarded if we follow this rule.
>>4104249Kill yourself CoL.
>>4104251I don't think I will. I have better things to do.
>>4104249>uhhh it's true because they make me madSo no evidence. Kill yourself.
>>4104250vessel was indeed discarded and will not be relevant
>>4104254I remember the genocide ending of Undertale. It also ended with nothing.
>>4104253>i have better things to do...Like stalk vtubers?
>>4104263No.
>>4104263Why don't we have a (female) DR vtuber yet?
>>4104250Even if it isn't literal it being literally just Kris and Noelle would be lame as shit. Also the Vessel was indeed discarded, it doesn't mean it can't be found again.
>>4104046Still betting on SjelterIt makes Susie even more of a dick for lying for """""""""""epic""""""""""" cuck yuri
>>4104023you're retarded.susie's perspective is that kris and noelle are having private talks, and that whatever they're telling each other cant be said in front of her.she thinks this could be a problem because it might be romantic and would get in the way of her trying to claim noelle for herself.being the socially inept retard that she is, rather than decide to keep her distance she just says "hey bro are you and noelle a thing because i want to fuck her"you dont. do that. thats not a thing a friend should even ask.
>>4104237Even after being used up Kris is still alive next board, and while you can say that's the vessel replacing Kris and Noelle, ERAM still speaks Kris by name before the fight, i'm sure it's more deeper than just them dying
>>4104269>it being literally just Kris and Noelle would be lame as shit.How exactly?
Noelle is USED UP (dies) but Kris gets simply thrown away because we need them for the final boss.
>>4104293He is probably a Susiefag or a Ralsei tranny.
>>4104122I want more gameplay and hometown massacre would bring more gameplay. It's that simple
>>4104229The only dumbasses are the ones taking blatant bait or lighthearted comments seriously
>>4104293nta but i don't find Kris and Noelle that interesting
>>4104301You don't want gameplay, you want scrimblo with a gun
>>4104304Are you calling ME a dumbass, you dumbass? Know that from this moment until the day you die, we will be enemies.
>>4104308I WANT MY MEGALOVANIAS
Genocide being the popular route really mindbroke some people didn't it?
>>4104293It ate my post, I meant it would be lame if used up only meant Kris and Noelle cutting their arms for a bit of blood.
>>4104317Genocide being popular broke pacifistfagsPacifist existing broke many genocidefagsBalance in the universe
>>4104290Eram speaking to Kris by name doesn't mean anything because Kris is obviously playing the game at that moment alive. At best Mantle would be foreshadowing to future events, not happening as he plays it.
>I JUST WANT MORE OF THE SAME THING, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, FOREVER!
>>4104326I say this.
>>4104326Kys retarded dinosaur
>>4104297This. Kris leaves a corpse so fucked up Kris can still show up post Death.
>>4104326DUMBsie...
>>4104328Okay. But just know that Toby Fox will BREAK you.
>>4104317It's funny because Snowgrave is literally just genocide again but with Noelle in Chapter 2 and Mantle is just genocide in a game. Toby likes that concept.
>>4104308No i want more hard boss fights
So how does board 1 fit with the weird route?
>>4104334Toby likes giving the Player a gun and saying "Go apeshit buddy"
>>4104334Okay but the weird route is obviously not just a repeat of genocide. That trope has already been played out and nobody would care if it happened again.
>>4104337Undertale genocide route
>>4104337It's the grinding to get the ThornRing or it's the allegorical message of the Weird Route of "getting stronger by breaking bonds".
>>4104337It works perfectly well in the "MANTLE sessions represent multiple playthroughs" theory.
>>4104339Hometown massacre wouldn't be a repeat of it as much as Cyber City massacre wasn't.
>>4104341By that logic wouldn't board 3 be something else instead of the weird route part 2?
>>4104346no
>>4104342>grinding to get the ThornRingDirectly contradicted by the WhiteCloak only appearing on board 2.>it's allegorical"EVERYTHING in Mantle is foreshadowing except the first third of it, which is purely abstract and doesn't represent anything in the game."
MANTLE is extremely important to the Weird Route btw. The Weird Route website says so.
Board 1 of Mantle is THAT day.
>>4104352I mean yea it tells you a basic idea about how to do it in chapter 2
>>4104344What made the weird route a suprise was>1. People thought killing enemies was totally impossible in Deltarune>2. It had extremely specific circumstances, which took days to discover, so it was a genuine suprise.>3. It required you to use someone else as a tool for You're Genocides, which was an entirely novel take on the genocide route.None of these would apply in the context of 7B. The genocide route is known. The weird route is known. The idea of Genocidesing everyone in hometown has existed since deltarune released. Obviously, 7B is going to take an entirely new direction which is actually new and interesting.
>>4104355I don't know why that simple concept is so difficult to understand for some people
>>4104356>Obviously, 7B is going to take an entirely new direction which is actually new and interesting.I wouldn't mind this at all as long as i get fun fights
>>4104357>Ummmm..... But the three is really big, so you can't say MANTLE represents more than one thing!I feel like it is you who cannot understand simple concepts.
>>4104361I never said that please stop putting words in people's mouths
Hi I'm the Vessel and I'm here to kill everyone in your Hometown.
>>4104356Toby doesn't care about being surprising to you or what you like, he still clearly foreshadowed the idea and did a massacre in the game before. He could easily do it again, especially if it was part of his vision.
Hometown Massacre is Genocides without the grinding.
>>4104369I don't like this, only furry girls are allowed to do genocides.
>>4104369Fuck player angel
>>4104376I will not let you fuck me.
>>4104074>The only way you can hate Suselle is if you pretend it's played straight as Alphyne 2.0The thing is that I don't know. I would love for it to not be played straight, but just don't have enough faith in Toby.
>>4104326Genofags don't realize it only felt unique because neutral and pacifist were there as alternatives and to show why the characters matter enough for their loss to mean something in genocide
>>4104283>you dont. do that. thats not a thing a friend should even ask.why not?
>>4104392i want you to seriously think about why you shouldnt ask a friend>hey i want to fuck someone that may or may not be your girlfriend. are you two a thing or nah?
>>4104391Gee, if only there was another route...one where things could go on as normal...
>>4104391Thankfully the normal route exists!
>>4104336All the most complained about battles in DR were the challenging ones lmao
>>4104394oh true better just sit there silently and say nothing lol...you can be the "friend" who holds the stuffed animals they win at the fair!why wouldn't two friends be able to be honest and up front with each other about what they want? why are you reducing susie to "i want to fuck" but kris is "in a relationship"?i get the whole suselle writing thing is dog shit, but what you're saying here is kinda silly, anon.
>>4104399Yuuup.Jevil? Bullshit, hated that carousel move.The Knight? Fuuuck man too unfair, especially with that sword tunnel.Pink, HORRIBLY balanced I cannot STAND that bomb attack.
>>4104399Yup. Expect the final boss of 7B to be laughably easy because Toby doesn't wanna filter or frustrate anyone, and even if you somehow still lose, it'll nerf itself instantly and it'll be contextualized as your DETERMINATION finally being able to influence the world.
>>4104407The knights is hard but fairJevil's fun and difficultPink can go fuck himself
>>4104415Very good sweetie now go enable nicer bombs
>>4104414He didn't do that with Sans why would he do that now.
>Main route is Suselle>Weird route is Kriselle>Twisted route is KrusieYou're welcome
>>4104422The Toby of the 2010's didn't, but the Toby of the 2020's will. If 2020's Toby made Sans today, there'd be a toggle for a "not-so-bad time".
>>4104426There's no Twisted Route you dummy.Also Weird Route is VesSoul at best.
>>4104421I beat her before that patchAlso I did it without r or s actions since skipping the 3 boombox guys caused it to never unlock not even in future chapters
>>4104426That doesn't make sense. Susie would never let Kris hurt others much less kill them.
Board 1: genocideBoard 2: weirdBoard 3: twisted
>>4104432I'm gonna twist your balls.
>/vg/ is normal route>/v/ is weird route>/vrpg/ is twisted routeYou now see beyond sight
>>4104429>not even in future chaptersThat can't be real lol
>>4104429How did you skip them? Like with glitches?
>>4104429>thinking Toby would bother putting effort into thatRalsei always knowing about Jevil and his bird, and Susie always pointing out that Kris flirts with EVERY enemy, even if you've never used any flirtatious ACTs before, say hi!
>>4104442Yea bagel overflow when it existed still.
>>4104268>(female)Are you saying we have male ones instead?Also a lot of JP vtubers (the ones Toby is actually invested in) interested in the game never played past ch1, I guess they're waiting for the full release?
>>4104449More than likely, by having the full game they can marathon that shit into a dense smaller period, and thanks to their personas they can just pretend they know nothing about Deltarune even if the people behind the avatars are probably diehards who've learned an overwhelming amount due to how unavoidable spoilers are.
theory, the roaring knight's armor is actually secretly empty and it's being controlled like a "meat" puppet by the real knight's soul that's lying inside of the knight's armor (likely inside the chest armor), like a vessel, so while the roaring knight is busy with you, the REAL knight is out there, rotting in a bed sick without a soul (just like kris when they rip us out of their body), keeping their eyes closed to keep their thoughts focused on what the "knight" is seeing (since kris thinking about susie or noelle or the knight allows us to see what they're doing), this also explains why the knight's helmet begins to "come off", kris doesnt want you to know that the knight is actually an armor with a soul being controlled in a similar way to them, since it would narrow down the potential knight options to, at least, three options: Kris, Dess, and Rudy holiday (you could argue that carol's pale skinny grinch look is because she's "rotting" without a soul but she seems mostly fine otherwise, so we can brush that theory aside for now)>Kris' original soul COULD be inside the knight's armor, and since we control their body, they dont have to worry about micromanaging two bodies at once, meaning that they just have to keep their intent in holding back with both bodies>dess is simple since she could be rotting in the bunker and focusing hard on the knight's armor, then again, she only fits because we dont know shit about her and could have any made up theories shoved up her ass to explain how she functions as the knight, it doesnt explain how she could get into the library since both she and the armor would be noticed anyways>rudy has his eyes closed most of the time, he is sick all the time due to having no soul, and he can either sneak into the library and hide in the closet, OR, rudy snuck the knight armor in the closet at some point and made the knight get out and open the fountain while sitting in his bed
>>4104443I wish I was joking but I was shocked that I didn't magically get them back at chapter 3. Here's a screen shot for proof.It make the game more interesting though
>>4104415Pink is a girl.
>>4104239It has? Guess I remembered wrong.But it costs money right? I remember this game being artificial scarcity incarnate.
>>4104426>>4104432Can I get some evidence of a twisted route existing?
>>4104467>EvidenceNo, its just foreshadowed.
The cool thing about Susie is that nothing.
>>4104471>foreshadowedYou mean you're speculating off of vibes. There is no concrete confirmation Twisted Route is happening because we still can't make the Twisted Sword and see what it does.
>>4104471>NoThat's all folks!
>>4104476True>Continues posting about twisted route
I managed to beat Jevil and the pre-nerf Knight, but I was not able to beat Pink without nicer bombsTHEREFORE Pink is the hardest boss in the game
>>4104334Wow cool like 40 minutes of genocide content in a 40 hour game. We're so back.
>>4104465Fleeing in Sticker Star does the usual mario rpg thing where it throws some coins away, but you dont need coins to flee and really ANY method for fighting is going to waste coins for no reward because of the consumable stickers being your only option for attack.Technically, running away costs LESS coins than actually fighting, because you lose a pittance of coins compared to losing the value of your good stickers.
>>4104441Are you happy to pay a 10-man team? Because I sure am not
I have to confessI didn't beat Pink. I was fed up with Chapter 5 and the shitty coins you need to gather to meet her, so I planned to try later but never did since then because I found the Chapter to be mid as fuck. Also I prefer discussing the game as unfortunately she adds literally nothing, unlike all the previous schizo bosses.
>>4104337It's whatever I want it to mean since it doesn't actually fit into any specific metaphor or anything oh wait never mind I see the other replies already covered this lmao
>>4104353>hey kris remember when you went to the beach and killed everybody? and you were a good friend>>4104356>killing enemies was totally impossibleStill is since all you do is freeze them
>>4104483I see. Well, I suppose you didn't beat the game.
>>4104481Yeah yeah I still have to finish Origami King btw that game was somehow even more tedious with its battle system
>>4104483I found searching for coins to be a lot of fun, but when it comes to the actual fight I hated it and after a ton of attempts I gave up on it and waited for the inevitable nerf before trying it again and finally beating her.
>>4104482Honestly I'm just surprised it wasn't just forced back on you if anything
>>4104478*insert easy modo touhou meme*
>>4104491You'd think it'd be part of the patches, but Toby and his harem have other priorities
>>4104164>Even Toby admitted in his last newsletter that he wanted to make baby's first platformer.super mario bros 1 managed to be both baby's first platformer and also be more fun than deltarune's platformer sections
If Twisted Route doesn't exist then Mantle foreshadowing either has to be for 7B, or it doesn't mean anything at all and Toby put it there for no reason. Choose whichever option you prefer.
>>4104495Yeah, but SMB1 was made in an era where people weren't hopelessly braindead. This is 2026, where brains are genuinely decaying from overreliance on ChatGPT and the consumption of true lowest common denominator slop, I.E. media geared towards third worlders who are quickly becoming the new global majority market, and their preferred media is AI slop because they want to be modern and hip since that's what the corpos told them they should be.
>>4104483I didnt actually fight her either, the fun gang's commentary immediately soured whatever was coming next, and I was disappointed immensely by it being Mew Mew. That compounded when I learned you cant beat her with violence, and every single act was flirting with her. I naively thought Toby might still be cool and give me literally any other option, even when faced with a literal dating sim ui (after dumping my entire inventory to fill the meter without flirting) and went "Surely there's a unique method for intentionally getting the answers wrong right?"I repeatedly told her she wasnt cute, died, and never walked through that door again. I dont think Im ever going to sit down and fight her because I have things I actually want to do, the shadow crystal plot can rot now for all I care
>>4104483Average doefag.
>>4104496>Eram just wanted to fuck with Kris and the Player
>>4104496The first, obviously.
I beat Pink twice without the patch, I hated it and used all my items but I'm fine, am I the best player here?
>>4104496Well we know 7B is going to have enemies and that we're definitely either going to the Depths or Nowhere, so Twisted Route would not only be redundant, but even more demanding of Toby's poor widdle permanently damaged wrist if he had to program three routes worth of game.
>>4104498it wouldve been cool if using rude buster hurt mew mew since it's a magic attack
>>4104495That's because Mario is a work of love. Getting red coins in SM64 is fun. Getting pink coins in DR is just a matter of knowing when to laugh at the funny maymays like the fox coming from your shroom or Ralsei being stomped on and him being mad at Signery.
>>4104467TRVKE facts for Twisted and Weird rootsTwisted>ERAM says that Kris is interested in the crystals>You don't need the crystals to continue WR>You also skip eggs, only way to get the Pink dialogue about FRIEND>The only way to keep the ThornRing is aborting, so far>Gerson tells Kris to go in-between, which again the only way to keep the ThornRing>The party is scared of the Twisted SwordWeird>It's the evil route, killing is expected>USED UP works better in WR>The sword could be a fucking meme that changes one cutscene>Why the fuck Gerson would tell Kris to go in between to kill people>Why there be two different genocide routes when WR can do that
>>4104505What meme is the Netskie referencing? Cartoon sound effects?Mario has cartoon sound effects too, that means it's an insincere memefest as well.
>>4104488>>4104490>>4104498Actually, I didn't particularly care for the castle serving as the final map. I find it works "well enough" (relatively speaking) for a linear progression, but replaying it just bores me to death. I think I was also quite disappointed upon realizing we were reaching the climax and my expectations were dashed, so it didn't make me want to boot it up again.
>>4104498>Locked out of Twisted Route because he refused to tell the trans ghost she was cuteKek, that's too funny
>>4104507The truth is that the twisted sword is actually an important item for the normal route and you will be able to get a thorn ring outside of the aborted weird route, in chapter 6 or 7. The twisted route is actually the normal route with all crystals.
>>4104512I'd rather die standing than live kneeling
>>4104502No, I also beat her twice without the gay patch so I guess that make us brothers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgSBTCOmJM
>>4104508It's not that it's a direct reference but more so that it's media slop like the other guy said. Just some slop to be watched on YouTube by kids who are easily impressed by the wow factor and the cartoon antics.
>>4104519Chapter 1 OST is still unrivaled tbfh
>>4104504Forget the spoilers I want this one to be heard, Mettaton's fight solved this problem over a decade ago. If you fight Mettaton, it still gives you points that aid in pacifism because people like watching violence. Pink shouldve had a similar thing, fighting still gives Doki because "You're just being a tsundere" so you dont have to fight her....Actually, fucking WEREWEREWIRE is a better dating fight conceptually, because that has different effects for the different types of flirting the fun gang use instead of just "flirt for points"
>>4104478>>4104493We have the technology. We can make it Undertale.
>>4104502I beat her twice, too. She isn't that hard.
>>4104370>Toby doesn't care about being surprisingThen why is he saving literally all the surprises for 7>>4104436>/vg/ is normal routeExplains why it's the worst written
>>4104525>so you dont have to fight her.I meant "dont have to FLIRT with her", my wires got crossed sorry
>>4104462>girl (male)ftfy>>4104467Any proof of it not existing?
>>4104530
>>4104483>she adds literally nothingKind of like all of chapter 5
>>4104530>>4104533>"I want my represenation to be an upset, whining child"what did they mean by this
>>4104532pink is as much of a girl as mettaton is a boy
>>4104507All of the twisted route evidence can be applied to either the normal route or even 7B if we get Pink's crystal during the massacre.
>>4104530>>4104533this is what happens when you leave little girls in the presence of lustful doelesters btw
>>4104507You wouldn't a FRIEND.
>>4104514You're playing a queercore game, you're on your fucking knees lmao
>>4104530>WAAAAHHHH! I DON'T WANNA BE A BOY!>I DON'T WANNA BE A HUMAN!>I DON'T WANNA BE POSSESSED BY A FOREIGN SOUL!What a whiny little bich
>>4104520You sound like you're trying really hard not to enjoy the game, like REALLY hard.>>4104525I wish it actually said what they were saying to flirt but that would have taken effort.
>>4104539Would Seam make us the purecrystal after being evil tho, i know he doesn't give a shit about life but stillUnless, another cat purifies the crystal
Is this proper behavior between members of a newly formed party?
Do you guys believe in the hometown simulation theory? I've been thinking about what could realistically be the endings and I only see two solutions if you look at solid evidence that isn't vagueposting.Simulation theory:>Dess goes beyond the boundary and never returns>Asriel goes to "college" and isn't heard from since the beginning of the game>Alphys complains that the wifi is cut off>Only road leading outside is blocked because of the "festival">nobody leaves or enters HometownI didn't really go deep into it myself, but it would explain why people act like retards (nobody cares that Undyne disappeared).The theory could be the product of the same poor writing that is justified by blaming the prophecy for controlling the characters, but I think it makes the most reasonable conclusion. I genuinely don't see how can DR make sense if everything is real (but Kris and Noelle don't die drowning because they just don't, chud), unless if Toby decides to leave half of the questions unanswered. TADC 2.0 ending with you being a soul in a jar in the bunker would cause hilarious backlash, tho.Now, the only other thing that could be happening and that would cause Hometown's isolation is that big WD planned all the events starting with ch1 and that the Roaring Knight and Co. waited for years and made sure to cut off the town at the right moment and everything has been planned for years in advance. This +the prophecy could explain everything while not turning eram and fren into just glitches and viruses in the simulation.It's pretty late over here so it may sound like rambling, but I think that we can actually narrow DR as a whole to a few sensible endings. On the other hand, routes and chapters 6/7 on their own can be a billion things, because we never get clear clues for what they'll be.
>>4104555>I wish it actually said what they were saying to flirt but that would have taken effort.If ch1 was written like ch5, we wouldnt have the free ham sandwich day gag
Do you guys like crybaby Kris?https://youtu.be/VQFunagArAc
>>4104429>Also I did it without r or s actions since skipping the 3 boombox guys caused it to never unlock not even in future chapters
>>4104513>and you will be able to get a thorn ring outside of the aborted weird routeyou dumbasses said this about chapter 5 and now look at it, we arent getting the thorn ring in the normal route
>>4104561K wouldn't have a food JPG heal him either, he would just have green sparkles and nothing else
>>4104560Either it's prophecy magic or simulation code, we just don't know.
>>4104562>title is "Meet Noelle">the video it's a TF2 style introductionBooo
>>4104528I said surprising to him, hometown massacre is surprising to normalfags.
>>4104560I think it's either a simulation, or, although real, it has been cordoned off from reality, and probably for quite some time now.
>>4104543Concerning...
>>4104555>You sound like you're trying really hard not to enjoy the game, like REALLY hardI've made it kinda my job here now.
>>4104568We are getting one and I will laugh at all non-believers when it happens.
>>4104556Why wouldn't he? He's a shopkeeper, we can't hurt him.
>>4104569That bit is funny for all the wrong reasons now, in the demo days I took it as a jab at games making shitty excuses to force you to do what it wants. It's literally a crusty jpg of almond milk that it pulls out of nowhere, it cant have serious lore implications and most everyone agrees because its been ignored since before ch2 releasedBut now Deltarune unironically IS that kind of game, it tries forcing your hand at multiple points for retarded reasons and takes it completely serious. K Round was making fun of the exact scenario Flowery created in his fight
>>4104581>we can't hurt him.I mean, Kris can if they want. We know Seam is the stuffed toy cat under Asriel's desk.That's actually pretty weird if you think about it. Seam is still in Kris's bedroom, yet for some reason he appears in Castle Town which is inside the school closet.
>>4104580>mike is definitely a cowboy!
>>4104592Flowery is basically Lancer if he suckedStarting with how he forces you into battle cutscenes with enemies being coerced into kissing each other not even subtle with the grooming there team huh
>>4104597Seam is the stuffed toy in the toy room...
>>4104600What is this then, a dildo?
>>4104603she's referring to a drawing of Seam on the computer. That's part of the dialogue talking about what's on the computer
>>4104603It's a drawing on the desktop wallpaper you fake fan
>>4104603I don't have the context of that scene it could be tasque manager for all I know
>>4104606>>4104607Ok, ok, MAYBE I remember it wrong. Whatever.
>>4104520So Mario is insincere meme slop, because it's using cartoon sounds and features cartoon antics.
>Gaster>Eram>Friend>Forgotten man>Papyrus>Dess>Knight>Mike>The Angel>Whoever talked to Jevil and SpamtonWhat is the point of having so many shadowy mystery persons? I know some of these will turn out to be the same person under different guises, but it's still a bit much to go five whole chapters without giving any info on any one of these dudes.
>>4104611All of these could be their own characters
>>4104611Mike was already resolved
>>4104610Mario Wonder is
>>4104603What if you never met Seam tho
>>4104614No it wasn't
>>4104611>GasterHe's the ultimate reveal, have to save him for True Route Endgame>ERAMUltimate reveal for Weird Route, have to save him for 7B>FRIENDMeta Mook made by Gaster, have to save it for True Route because of those ties>Forgotten ManMeta Man with Gaster ties, have to save him for True Route Endgame>PapyrusGaster ties, have to save him for True Route Endgame>DessThe Chara of Deltarune, have to save her for Route Endgames>KnightTHAT DAY ties, have to save it for Endgame>MikeMeta ties, have to save him for True Route Endgame>AngelLiteral Endgame event, obviously needs to be saved for then>Strange SomeoneMeta ties, might be ERAM, might be Gaster, so have to save them for True Route/7B Endgame
>>4104618so that means 6 and 7 will be just one big holiday wank off?
>>4104618>saveWhy would you want to save the bad guys?
>>4104620Are you actually retarded?
>>4104611>What is the point of having so many shadowy mystery persons?To make you theorize and build hype for a decade while he finishes the game.
>>4104619Yes. Gotta save Rudy somehow
>>4104617That was Mike. It may not have been hype aura, but Deltarune is a silly game and that was the real Mike.
>>4104623Am I?
>>4104565honestly its fun since Ralsei and Susie aren't just Kris 2 and 3 for 80% of the fights
>>4104627It was not. The game straight up mocks you and tells you it will not reveal who Mike was.
>>4104597No? There's a Seam drawn in Asriel’s computer but the actual Seam is a toy in the unused classroom.
>>4104628Maybe we all are deep down
>>4104619It's the Holiday game.
>>4104616probably irrelevant since Susie should be able to pick out the stitched upcat plush in a room with a bunch of cards and checker pieces lying around. now if she knew its name there that'd be a bigger cause for concern
>>4104616Susie lives in castle town, she'd come across him on her own eventually
>>4104616Just like the flirt thing even if you never did, off-screen'd
>>4104619noelle has been assumed to be the 'real' main character since the sweepstakes there is a very good chance she suddenly becomes super important and relevant in 6 and/ or 7, even outside the weird route
>>4104619The entire appeal of the game has its foundation in the literal date of Christmas, its ALWAYS been the Holiday game
>>4104530>Dess molested Kris so hard he's permanently traumatized about having a penis
>>4104645Aksctually since ch1 because of the vessel creatorKris, Susie and Noelle have special messages only for them
Why was there a giant Christmas tree and a snowy wasteland at the end of Chapter 3's Dark World? Isn't that supposed to be Kris's house? And why does Kris say they don't mind the cold and that they prefer it that way?
>>4104654true, but noelle is hardly even a character in ch1, she has a brief appearance in the class and at the end when exploring hometown
>>4104655it's a reference to noelle's house and how it's always a little cold there, but kris never minded
>>4104655Fridge.
The Shadow Mantle & Eram are separate entities.
>>4104662shadow mantle is dess' cloth for cleaning her glasses because she's a NERD like ASRIEL eram is her deep rooted feelings and desires to groom kris
>>4104611>>4104618>forgetting about the Judy of Deltarune
>>4104665Meta ties, potential Gaster, ERAM AND Forgotten Man ties, have to save it for True Endgame Deluxe.
>>4104611>we don't have any info on any of these charactersAre we even playing the same game?
>>4104655It's the front room, the living room. The place where both the families used to sit and watch TV. Tenna has a Christmas tree up because that's how he remembers it most fondly; it's snowy because the front door is open and it's letting a draft in.
>>4104665Fanfiction character.
how long until things get bad enough we can actually discuss how we feel let down earnestly?
>>4104693I didn't feel let down by Chapter 5 so idk what you're talking about.
>>4103994>>4104055Susie deserves to get shot in the head.
I asked gemini to shit out a bunch of utdr words and did some light curating if any lurkers want to have fun. There's ~150 custom words.https://skribbl.io/?DiCINMeL
>>4104671I mean actual important shit like identity or motivations, not vagueshit theorybait like "this guy is suggested to have said X to Y and is possibly associated with Z on account of this one obscure fact"
>>4104696Did you get cucked by a dyke or something? Did you lose your childhood crush? I'm a Kriselle shipper and I still like Susie.
>>4104655remember that the dark world was originally not just TV world, it was built ontop of the original dark world with all the other darkners either brought into it or shunned away into nowhere.the original dark world was "kris's home"a part of home to kris will always include the holidays.
>>4104693if ch6 is another vagueposing chapter and the 'one thing' that was clarified is actually a nothingburger, then we can earnestly doompost
>>4104704>then we can earnestly doomposthahaha as if there isn't always going to be some "you just didn't le get it!" fag around here
The funniest ship happening is probably Berdly x Noelle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxC8hLFm-bgi wonder how sadistic ralsei would get if he went all out
>>4104003that just proves their point of Susie not being a real friend btw
>>4104701>Did you get cucked by a dyke or something? Did you lose your childhood crush?No. I'm just amazed at how fucking stupid and brazen she is at the same time. Susie doesn't deserve anything good. I wouldn't wish such friends on anyone.
>>4104630That is the real Mike, you take it as being mocked because you can't accept that you imagined epic lore when it was always just a joke.
>>4104630despite what people keep yapping, I think it really is the microphone jpeg
it's ironically funny how people used to be like "man, susie is such a fantastic character, why was she hated so much in-universe if she was actually this great?" then switched over to hating her once we started to know her more
Mike is real though. He warned Tenna that Spamton shouldn't sign the contract and then disappeared when Spamton ran away.
>>4104728Mike is FRIEND, he needed to make sure that spamton wouldn't actually get what he wanted
>>4104734But Friend is multiple cats and they are dumb. Even if Mike was A FRIEND Tenna said he cared about Spamton.
>>4104701I don't have stupid friends who can't even read or write or eat school property.
>>4104736one FRIEND for each task, MIKE was the FRIEND tasked for dealing with spamton, that, or MIKE is actually a billion FRIENDs and there was no real mike all along (with the mike trio being foreshadowing to that idea)
>>4104727I hate her, but it's unfair since almost all of the teens are shitty in some way there
>>4104738Damn bro... Sorry to hear that
>>4104738You missed out on having good friends
>>4104745You want a druggie as a friend in school? Trust me when I say you don't.
>>4104745nta, with all the annoying dickhead friends i had, i would've hated susie too
>>4104727the shitty part about that line of thinking is the reason why people dislike susie now is completely different from why the townsfolk hate herthey all hate her because she had a bad first impression that she did next to nothing to rectify, anons hate her because she showed her true colours
>>4104693Once 7 releases.
>>4104762>another 3 years from nowfuck
>>4104693Once Unaltered gets announced in 7B
>>4104751There is a difference between enjoying them as written characters and as in a "would I like to hang out with them" scenario.Susie was at her best when she was a bully antagonist who was willing to try being better.
>>4104716Susie is basically your average MAGAfag but if they were actually good people
Imagine how autistically attached people would get to the fucking boat guy in Undertale if that was episodic>dude it's totally Gaster or it might even be Asgore himself!>ok so it wasn't either one but imagine how aura and lore he probably is anyway!
>>4104751>anons hate her becausebecause she got too relevant too fast
>>4104775>but if they were actually good peopleA good person wouldn't tell their friend to fuck off from the beach just because you "feel that way". Susie is too selfish.
>>4104782Where is she saying "fuck off?"
>>4104777people think the snowman is gaster, it's not really that different of a timeline
Be honest: why do you take the lore and worldbuilding so seriously that it causes you to get into heated arguments daily?
>>4104781susie was always extremely relevant the issue is that susie has gotten nothing but gas despite acting more and more like a shit head as the game has gone one, ch2 was peak susiepeople gave it as pass with 3&4 because it wasn't directed at kris, but her (and (you)) ditching noelle to go to the diner and then telling her about how great it was to her face while she was waiting for them was pretty shitty anons had also been commenting on how she was getting nothing but gas from the game despite all thisit's only now people are angry at it because kris was on the receiving end of it, which means (you) by proxy
>>4104781That actually is an old complain from 3+4 era, nothing new, this is more how she was kiiinda ass in 5, buildup for the betrayal drama>>4104791What u mean, we really really really love this game so we discuss even the doomposting, otherwise we would just forget until 6 comes out no
>>4104782She literally doesn't want to go to the beach with Kris, and considers this place to be just for her and Noelle now. Do I need to remind you that this was their spot to talk about all the shit that happened during the day? Susie has started excluding Kris from places where they can hang out.
>>4104736The funniest part about the Friendlings being dumb is that of all people it's said by MewMew, the character that eats sand
>>4104781Ch5 really was an inferno of jealousy for some people...
>>4104799Meant for >>4104788
>>4104800mew mew is the only character that i'm willing to believe was only pretending to be retarded
>>4104781It's because she isn't going to date Kris anymore, actually.
>>4104800So? Kris likes eating Moss
>>4104791It's not the lore or the worldbuilding, is the style and vibe the game used to have.UT and 1+2 weren't perfect but they had something unique going on there. Something no other game does, and Deltarune itself refuses to go back to.I just wanted the catharsis of shitting on the game with other people because of that, but I don't even get to have that.
>Susie doesn't want to hang out at the shore makes this bitch literally SATAN All this seething at Susie because she's now dating Noelle reeks of self-insertion butthurt
>>4104806>they had something unique going on there. Something no other game does, and Deltarune itself refuses to go back to.your ASS better elaborate.
>>4104801>inferno of jealousyI still think this has something to do with Kris. We don't know to what extent Kris hated seeing Susie and Noelle together, but they were obviously not happy about it. Maybe we'll see something in the next chapter. Somehow I doubt Kris will just go to sleep at the end of Chapter 5, there are several missed calls from Toriel, and Rudy could be dead.
>>4104808Are you just going to keep making low quality shitpost after low quality shitpost?How do you even live
>>4104808>self-insertion butthurtCan't we just drop the kayfabe and acknowledge that living vicariously through the protagonist has always been one of the draws for the action-adventure genre? (I mean in terms of story, not gameplay)
>>4104808i kinda don't care cause Kris himself doesn't seem to care about chilling at the lake going off of balloon ending
>>4104805I mean of course, Kris does dumb shit too, but at least still manages to keep the plan ongoing, maybe Kris and Mew are way more similiar than we thought and she is also pretending to be retarded because she knew that information
>>4104799Where is she saying "fuck off?"
bretty good theory about the flowers foreshadowing various character's fates in the story:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArtJ44BcZao
>>4104812By not feeling cucked in real life by a video game character. Mo, out!
>>4104810Remember when we thought every chapter would have a tyrant like King and Queen and a schizoboss like Jevil and Spamton? That's the sort of stuff I mean here.I come to these games for the "Papyrus formula" and Deltarune is trying very hard to stay away from that.
Susie is just a horrible character. She's stupid, arrogant, sticks her nose where it doesn't belong, follows a prophecy, and decides she doesn't need her new best friend just because she got a "girlfriend". Also, because of her stupidity, she drags Noelle into a really dangerous situation. Kris fucking sacrificed his relationship with Noelle just to keep her as far away from all this shit as possible and protect her that way. But that STUPID BITCH Susie is trying to undermine everything Kris sacrificed by dragging Noelle right into the middle of the shitshow that’s about to go down. Fuck Susie.
>>4104817Do you take everything literally?
>>4104822>Kris fucking sacrificed his relationship with Noelle just to keep her as far away from all this shit as possible and protect her that way.ok but why doesn't he just tell her
>>4104814And Deltarune is explicitly not this kind of game and that's its best subversion. Party members in RPGs who just exist to suck off the player aren't a good tropeFact of the matter is, none of those people liked Susie, she was only ever tolerated under the pretense she was going to become one of those Persona girls who turn into tag alongs who worship the MC, but her entire deal is having far too much agency for that. Now that's been dropped they just seethe at her with no filter because Susie talking about her girlfriend and wanting things for herself is that insulting
>>4104808>It's okay to exclude your friends from that special spot where you always hung out after a tough day. That doesn't make Susie the devil, but it does make her a bad fucking friend.
>>4104824that's probably a piece of the puzzle toby has deliberately withheld because he couldn't imply it in a way that people wouldn't instantly figure out
>>4104814>that living vicariously through the protagonist has always been one of the draws for the action-adventure genreNot everybody is an escapism junkie (like Susie)But you couldn't have picked a worse game for this LMAO. Toby wants you to see these characters as real ass people.
>>4104827If Kris had a problem with that they'd say something.
>>4104824She almost noticed that Kris opened the dark fountain, telling her will just make her suspect him even more, Kris is kinda dumb with hiding stuff
>Fahaha Kris remember when you strapped me to a nuclear warhead why don't you do that anymore
>>4104824>ok but why doesn't he just tell herI suppose this might affect the plan in some way.
>>4104831kris doesnt "have a problem" because toby wrote him as a cuck protagonist>takes Susie's bullying without resistance>lets a gorillion relationship opportunities go despite them throwing themselves at kris>setting boundaries makes kris lose their shit and throw themselves at the lake as if toby considers setting boundaries between your friends to be a bad chuddy thing that kris was in the right for denyingit's all engineered to make kris the "perfect" NTR cuck protagonist ever and it forces you to play along or else you're considered evil, why else would toby make the kriselle route the "evil geno run you need to go out of your way to do" while making the cuck route the main "haha happi" path?
>>4104831He can't say anything, you retard. Just look at WR, where Kris spilled the beans to Noelle between Chapters 3 and 4. How did it turn out? Noelle became interested in Kris again, and because of that, she wanted to get close to him again, which allowed us to do what we did. Words have consequences.
>>4104852Then why is that Susie's fucking fault? Is it Susie's fault Kris is a motherfucking traitor working with the KNIGHT? And SHE'S the bad friend?
>>4104831I know this is a WR example but i think it still applies, Kris refuses to tell people shitAlso we still don't know what the fuck was this
>>4104852we didnt throw noelle into the lake, infact, she forced us to and we can choose not to comply with her
>>4104847I think Kris puts up with all this just because, for the sake of the plan, Susie needs to stay on track. And if Kris changes anything or says the wrong thing, it could really throw things off.
>>4104829i guess but whether it's actually true or not i've been on a "trust me bro" basis with this dude for a while now and i'm kind of tired of giving the dude the benefit of the doubt
>>4104847>AAAIEEEEEE LESBIAN TEENS RAPED AND KEKED ME You're only making this more embarrassing for yourself.
>>4104854>Kris is a motherfucking traitorSusie is working for the prophecy, she's a traitor. Kris is a fucking hero who sacrifices practically everything he has to change the fucking fate.
>>4104857I'm talking about Chapter 4.
