Are you excited for the Halloween newsletter coming out in a few days?
>>4142952I can't wait for the rape the newsletter will bring
The first image belongs to Tenna
>>4142952Sure, but I don't know what they could possibly include other than the merch. I can't see anything beyond a collab or another cutscene with the Mikes, if that.
>>4142959The main thing is a development status update that tells us how close Chapter 6 is to being in the localization + console testing phase. If it's already at that point, then it's entirely possible we could see a release date trailer in the winter Nintendo Direct. If not, it's more than likely yet another summer Direct reveal.
>>4142952>Chapter 1's eighth anniversary is this Halloween.Any chance of some bonus tangent for the occasion or just a standard development update?
>>4142963He'll probably acknowledge that once upon a time he said he wouldn't spend more than seven years on developing Deltarune, what changed, and be wowed at the passage of time, and then tell us to WAIT just a little more.
>>4142966Yeah, that sounds about right. I'm still pissed we don't have HD versions of the unused songs from the Chapter 1 stream's intro.
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4142961Another thing I think we're all waiting on is whether development on Chapter 7 will have started this year like Toby said it might've before Chapter 5 released. With Chapter 7B development already well underway, it's likely, but who knows.
>>4142975It feels like I'm forgetting something important...
I like how the dark worlds reveal that Kris is a secret shit poster/weaboo
>>4142975Now stop looking through that Shadow Crystal
>>4142981He's a self hating weeb which is hilarious
>>4142975Autism.
>>4142987he started it
>>4142975HOLY BASED
>>4142979if your forgetting it, it wasnt important
>>4142952How many of you are LGBT?Reply to this post if LGBT.
>>4142975…and then Kris woke up.
anons FEAR the power of suselle lmao
>>4142975Noelle just looks insane here.
>>4142998>the power of suselleThe power of bad writing?
>>4143002the power of canon
>Krisellegpt and CoL jerk off session
>>4143001showing her true colors
>>4143003the power of grooming
Suselle this, Suselle that, the ship I'm genuinely concerned about is Kralsei! If it becomes canon, two characters who have no romantic chemistry will have their character development grind to a screeching halt for the sake of another grating, unskippable romance. Now that's the ship I'm praying doesn't happen.
Petition: we should stop calling him CoL and start calling him The Raped. That's a more accurate name.
>>4143009it already has a mod
>>4143009Kris will die before getting with anyone.
>>4143009Ralsei will be sealed before getting with anyone.
>>4142952Newsletter will likely be fandom-raping nontent, but I have no doubt that there will be some nuggets in it to make crack theories with, especially if he includes a weird tagline like "Sorry to keep you waiting!" prominently. Overall sounds like a fun time.
the weird route really opened the floodgates for rape spam
>>4143018The evolution of>Kris is the rapist>Dess is the rapist>NOELLE IS THE RAPIST - We are now herewas interesting if nothing else.
>>4143004Are you seriously defending suselleslop? And I'm asking you once again to stop being so obsessed with me.
why did you make another thread?
What are the odds that Toby brings back Krusie?Would anybody even be happy for it?
>>4143033they are, because they support it
>>4142975>>4143001
>>4143035It ain't happening nigga
>>4143033>>4143036Now we have two schizos circlejerking each other.
>>4143040but what if...it did
>>4143035Susie is already tainted by her ch5 behavior. There is no going back.
there was a thread here>>4142049
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>>4143047Kill yourself
>>4143034>>4143047OP here, I didn't see that thread when making this one. Usually new threads are linked at the end of the last one and that one wasn't. Sorry.
>>4143048Didn't read, saw the words "the Knight" and "yurislop" in proximity of each other and got excited
A lot of people play Deltarune just to jerk off.
>>4143053Did you even see gachafags?
>>4143048What does non fidalgo darkner mean?
>>4143048>Non FidalgoExplain
>>4143053Like Toby. he jerks off to the idea of getting railed by a gorilla in a tutuitll be good practice for when he gets to Guantanamo Bay and Bubba tears him a new asshole.
>>4143053Can confirm. I came to Susie in the monster minigame.
>>4143036I don't think anyone here is so braindead as to unironically support Suselle (bad writing). People are just baiting. >>4143042Explain what makes me a schizo? Maybe you're schizo because, for some reason, I've been living in your head rent-free.
>>4143053I would find it quite difficult to select and time my attack and dodge bullets in battle with one hand personally, so that's quite impressive
now that kris is confirmed white, there's only one thing left for toby to do that will cause the mass exodus of troons and esl's
>>4143055>>4143056>Non Fidalgo Darkner: Basically, I'll mark this square if in this chapter we're still getting quirky darkners taking a fair amount of time in the next adventure. I'm all in for a new important darkner if they're actually a character with more than one gimmick, is important for whatever will be the isolated story of chapter 6.
>>4143035Too late, you have to break Suselle and deal with the traitor plotline for it to happen. Too much for 2 chapters.
>>4143063So in layman's terms, the square means "no serious darkners" or "only goofy new darkners" in Chapter 6?
>>4143066>break Suselleain't going to happen chief
The actual real missing Kris brother, not Togore, Chris
Double the cunny!
Doe kiss a kwisp
>>4143078
>>4143081They were right white Kris really does look ugly.
>>4143082Black. Duh
>>4143083no, he looks cute
>>4143062My beautiful white tomboy GF
>>4143082Same shade as Toriel's.
>>4143085She looks ugly.
>>4143082Green.
>>4143083It just makes Kris look even more like Chara.
>>4143089Post hands.
>>4142975>Haven't checked the threads for a while>See this on my feed9/11 for tranniggers.We can't stop WINNING, right?
>>4143092So this is what Toby meant when he said about the big reveal in ch6, ch1 Chara is Kris era is back!
>>4143094Suselle is about to rape you. Fear the newsletter, chuddie.
The big reveal is that the Side B Soul became sentient.
>>4143096Go fuck yourselfIt doesn't matter anyway no one will remember suselle
>>4143096>Suselle is about to rape youYou promise?
I should rape Susie and Noelle
>>4143100The Knight...
>>4143096The Prophecy is about to shatter that shit harder than the stone gerson
>>4143096What happens if we DON'T get a Halloween newsletter, and NOBODY gets ANYTHING?
>>4143103Then Deltarune will continue to be tomorrow. I don't think I completely understand the question.
We will get more ARGs It will hint to Side b or aborted 5it WILL be cool and interestingYOU WILL GET EXCITED
>>4143105no i will not there's nothing to be excited for until 7b
>>4143105Side B ARG where the prize is a tease to the Asgore fight in 7B.
>>4143103Everybody gets raped, just a different kind of rape.
>>4143096People instead of focusing on the obvious white bread, white tall wide chud Kris is something rare and really funny
>>4143109Its also more proof that you're supposed to feel bad for Kris since he's the uncomfortable third wheel but people aren't ready for that yet
>>4143109artworks are non-canon so it's okaymy fap fuel is still female and aqua kris is still valid
>>4143105We will get the third route We will get ERAM revealWe will be able to craft the swordSeam will purify the crystalsThe eggroom will give us a huge lore revealThe big reveal Toby said it's gonna be awesomeHOPERUNE
>>4143111>you're supposed to feel bad for Kris since he's the uncomfortable third wheel...There was another interpretation possible of the Festival?
>>4143113I want all of this except the first one.
>>4143113We will NOT be able to craft the sword because it would be subversive o algo
>>4143111>Ignoring that you can third wheel Susie>And that she has a scene where she goes on about how she's insecure because she thinks you and Noelle still have a thing going on
>>4143114Yeah despise the doomposting here, people have noticed what happened, outside of here, you will see the reverse of the kriselle guy that erases Susie and insist there's nothing wrong
>>4143101>the knight supports it though
We already have a third route but people are just incapable of seeing it apparently. You have the normal route, the shadow crystal route, and the weird route. The normal route and the shadow crystal route get lumped together but they are different, just like how neutral and pacifist in Undertale are different, even when sparing everything on both.Any hypothetical twisted route would not be a third route, but a fourth route.
>>4143114I've seen people doompost that everything about Suselle is supposed to be seen as positive despite it literally being mandated by fate (Aborted 5) and the constant little details that Kris fucking hates being this third wheel at the BARE minimum if outright jealous or depressed.There's more autistic foreshadowing like the Rules throuple thing but that's another tangent.
>>4143121There's probably another route if you only get the Eggs.Or maybe we should stop calling them routes and just say they are slightly different variations of Side A.
>>4143118doesnt make this go awayi dont really want to watch this and act like its normal
>>4143125>i dont really want to watch this and act like its normalWhy do you type like that
>>4143125there he is, my hero
>>4143121>>4143121Shadow crystal plotline is kinda strange because i don't think Toby has the balls to make them obligatory when the Knight exists, casuals won't be able to beat them, unless it just a small variant, which would be a dissapointment and CoL would win
>>4143129People had years to learn the Knight's patterns, and they previously had to defeat Undying and Sans. They'll be fine.
>>4143129casuals have the shadow mantle for that reason
>>4143130>had to
>>4143129If I had to guess, the shadow crystals won't change the ending, but the way it happens will be differentLike in normal Side A: you just instantly lose to ERAM or the Angel before the tragic sacrifice happens. But with the shadow crystal you get a proper 1 hour extended fighting sequence that ends in a close but not close enough defeat.Could also be a sequence change where you get into the bunker early if the ch3 photos = bunker codes is true with the extra mysterious 4th photo
>>4143133Did I stutter?
>>4143137sure did, bitchdidnt know the genocide route was mandatory
>Proceeds to stall for another 2 years with no sign of anything actually turning out in your favor
>>4143105>YOU WILL GET EXCITEDFor more suselleslop?
>>4143140>your favor>implying finishing the game will be good for you
>>4143138If you didn't beat Sans, you didn't beat the game.
>>4143142Why not?
>>4143145Why would it be? The story is telegraphing itself as a tragedy.
>>4143146True love (read: Suselle) will save the world.
>>4143147So 'true love' is just a girl looking for a big sister substitute?
>>4143094>on my feedTwitter tourists are literally admitting to being twitter tourists. Go back.
>>4143150she's looking for someone to rub clams
>>4143048>disappoints>boringSTOP USING SUBJECTIVE QUALIFIERS.
>>4143113I hate the twisted route.
>>4143126CoL is autistic.
>>4143158Everyone here is.
>>4143150Wasn't that the message in one of Toby's animes?
>>4143147Bad writing won't save the world.
>>4143160maybe
>>4143164Yes it will. Prophecy is going to be unrecognizable by the end of it.
>>4143147>True love (read: Suselle) will save the world.Post that tumblr dykeshit comic.
>>4143170Why did they remove Aqua's ribbon and Kris' ahoge..?
>>4143147>true love>main song that plays during their big romantic scene is prefaced with 'i guess'lol
>>4143173It's their first romance, of course they're unsure. It's leagues above what Noelle would think about Kris.
>>4143174ok
>>4143174Stop baiting
>>4143146waiting real life years for nothing isnt a tragedy, its a scam where you have stabbed your player in the back and punished them for doing anythingi could pull out dragon quest 7 right now and get a better experienceyour "just because one character said you should try and do something it doesn't mean you should try to do it" doesn't work, and that game does what it advertised itself as
>>4143175>I lwike you twoo...Kindergarten-level writing LMAO
>>4143175>"Not in a million years would we have won.">literally thought 'I think they still deserve to win' earlierTo this day I can't decide if Noelle is a two-faced bitch or so deep within depersonalization she's having contradictory thoughts.
>>4143180that's not contradictory she wanted them to win, but knew it was all but impossible
>>4143179Written for kindergarteners, after all.
>>4143183>Susellefags are kindergarteners>Krisellefags are delusionals>Krusiefags were shot three times behind the shedKralseifags... You're our only hope.
>>4143185The Kralseifags and the... uhh... Kressfags will beat each other to death, leaving the Krerdlyfags as the sole smart geniuses left. A fitting end.
>>4143182>wantedShe still wants that, suselletroon.
>>4143178>"nothing" (read: chapters 1-5) has happened yet so nothing will ever happen
>>4143170Kris is almost the size of a little girl. Grim.
pictured here is a homosexual gorilla in a tutu grooming one of the main characters
>>4143191it's almost as if...no... it can't be...
>>4143171The CANON comic.https://lynxgriffin.tumblr.com/post/823588475271086080/make-or-break-yourself-ive-had-this-thought-in
>>4143187is noelle ntr'ing susie but unironically?
>>4143194I unironically think that's pretty much how it will all end... It's so fucking over...
>>4143188you and the rest of the freaks in this thread acknowledge that the game is stalling, why bother when you know the game is stalling
>>4143194Maybe it IS a good thing the fans aren't writing Deltarune.
>>4143186Fitting indeedThey did nothing and still won
>>4143197I'll never understand why convince you'd yourself of the worse end possible and torture yourself with it ad eternam.It's so over. For you.
>>4143200>Maybe it IS a good thing the fans aren't writing DeltaruneHow is Toby different from the fans? He literally has lesbian and NTR fetishes. He can't stop pushing his fetish into the main plot and has made lots of references to NTR/cuck-related things.>>4143202Chapter 5 really blackpilled me. Chapters 6 and 7 are going to be a total suselleslop. Toby won't be able to go against his fetishes.
>>4143202I think it's just a psychological defense mechanism. This anon's probably been disappointed countless times, so his way of coping with everyday life is to always expect the worst so he doesn't get hurt even more.
>>4143207I trust Toby to write a better resolution to the weird route than that comic. I'm holding out hope Chapter 5 was just a miss, but he's still got the writing chops he showed in every other previous chapter and game.
>>4143209>Anon was raped countless times, so now he's just doing prostitution with fat old men ???
>>4143212The world is a strange and spooky place. There are people out there that genuinely love to get cucked.
>>4143212ITS THAT GODDAMN TOBY! FOX!!!HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!! HE CAN'T!!!!!!!!
>>4143211>every other previous chapter and gamethis was the chapter beforei hated itDragon Quest 7 didn't punish me for the collecting the things the game told me to collect. And it wasn't because of a technical limitation.
>>4143212>Have low expectations = doing prostitution with fat old menI honestly don't understand how your brain works.
>>4143219The dark sanctuaries were kino, a little bit of Tom & Jerry slapstick before that cinema is fine.
>>4143221the dark sanctuaries didnt matter because they were the exact opposite direction and nothing was actually accomplished from actually going in there
>>4143217Anon x Toby is the real flagship of the game.
he loves her.
>>4143121Shadow Crystal Route is only ignored because it's a route that'll ONLY diverge at the ass end of Chapter 7, when the Pure Crystal's purpose that isn't the Evil Rape Sword finally gets to be employed, most likely using the Pure Crystal to purge Knight and/or its corruption since it's the Dream Crystal being weaponized against Broken Dream Warrior.
>>4143185Kralseiffags want Ralsei to troon out and then xe and Kris go out in a murder-suicide, if the Kralsei Chapter 5 mod is any evidence.
>>4143230>go out in a murder-suicideWhy would anyone->troon out I see.
>>4143183Deltarune is unironically a game for children so it makes sense.
>>4143233i wouldnt show homosexuality to children
>>4143230Real Kralseifags just like uwufagslop
>>4143236So trannies waiting to troon out, because every uwufag troons out eventually? Yeah, that tracks.
>>4143233I love letting my children play a game in which the MC and his doe commit suicide.
speaking of children playing deltarune, i've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of people arguing about the knight are children, esl's, and secondaries the arguments i'm seeing elsewhere are laughably bad and often twist, contort, or use clear exaggerations as actual factwe still have people claiming that asgore is 10'20" because of the song despite being a) not a real measurement, and b) if that were the case, everyone would be unreasonably hugekris alone would be something absurd like 6'8", never mind susie and noelle being over 8' tallit's nonsensical at that point
>>4143240Better yet - the child will learn about male-female friendship through the Weird Route. Wait until he understands the parallel between it and sex.
>>4143243>kris alone would be something absurd like 6'8"There are people who actually believe this because they can't accept Kris might be a manlet so they assume every single monsters is freakishly so that Kris is still tall, he just looks tiny by comparison.
>>4143194See if it was the Vessel there Side B would have won.
>>4143245while still serviceable, i do with someone had made an updated chart for the later chapters
For me it's Kris cunny.
>>4143245Kris is probably very average for a teen dude, it's just that monsters are weirdos, and ultimately that helps play into a core aspect of his character, the fact he's so fundamentally alienated from his family, friends and neighbors because he's not of their cloth.
>>4143243>kris alone would be something absurd like 6'8", never mind susie and noelle being over 8' tall>Kris isn't small its just that monsters are so unnaturally tall that they make humans look like dwarves
>>4143250this would also make frisk and chara pretty big themselves despite being described as children
>>4143240better than this
>>4143253This image is wrong because Noelle would be the violent one.
>>4143240That's a FemKris artist.
>>4143252All that art of them /ss/ing people despite being children makes sense now.
>>4143256and?
>>4143248For me it's the cunny of Kris’s two halves, Frisk and Chara.
>>4143260You misgendered her you evil fucking CHUD.
>>4143266i would never misgender my daughternot even if under threat from deranged troons
>>4143274That post called HER a "his" you EVIL LIAR.
>>4143280you assumed that i posted the image but it turns out there are three people in this thread
>>4143281It's all me, you're part of *me, too.
all 3 people in this thread have been raped
There you go, guys. Better quality version for you guys to enjoy.
>>4143330I wanna shoot Susie in the back of the headFor someone who knows how to clean up a bloodstain, she sure is stupid enough to fall for that
>>4143330ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm sweetie? you're raping me!! Kris isn't white!!!!I wanted to check the obvious but people kinda exaggerate how bean size Kris is, like xe is a manlet but come on, and Noelle is cheating with her antlers, one true thing is that Susie is WIDE as fuck, and maybe that's why it makes Kris look small
>>4143209if mewposting is already this good, imagine what it could have been if maddie didn't spend her whole screen time inside her cucksheds
>>4143339Fixed
i have nothing to say anymore
prepare your anus because this halloween newsletter will RAPE you no matter what it says including the lack of said newsletter
>>4143346Toby will finally remember to update the UTDR page on bluesky with its own meaningless typo for Deltarune Chapter 1's 8th anniversary, and then fandom psychosis will insist this is ICE-E Chapter 6 boss foreshadowing.
>>4143342This image just makes me think Pink megacucked Toriel by actually getting fucked by Asgore, since taking out his pent up anger allows him to perform some real sex.
>>4143348Toriel's not getting cucked though, Asgore is the only cock in Hometown she doesn't want.She WILL be furious that he still managed to get some though, because she was certain that he'd never score again because of how badly he fumbled such a "perfect lady" as herself.
>>4143343But blue skin is fine thoughever, Aqua is really hot, i even would say thanks to Blue having a darker blue tone is actually more chud kris proof
>>4143349Toriel raped us hours
>>4143348we're the cucks because we got cucked out of absolute ludo because tobert is afraid of giving the spotlight to non party member lightners that aren't birds
>>4143352I'm pretty sure Berdlyfags also got ultra raped with the ultra small screentime they got in the festival, unless you mean another bird which no idea
>>4143353Don't get me wrong, I was absolutely raped by being cockblocked out of hanging out with him, but at least he got his time to shine in chapter 2.Toriel, Undyne, Gerson (arguably), Asgore and Maddie all got flumbed and the window for that sort of stuff is over.
>>4143354Maybe you should have complained the first time instead of openly asking for less and less
>>4143355I have no clue what you're talking about
>>4143354Pink can still be somewhat relevant since she will be the first reclutable shadow crystal boss and even could be part of the FRIEND stuff, 7B too with that pink singing cat unless she gets oneshot lmao
>>4143357>irritable ghost stays being a shut in and larping as a catgirl on a school closetoh come fucking on, let the characters show some maturity for onceshe should stay on the shop to water the flowers
It’s crazy how a single Chapter almost completely destroyed my faith in the dog
>>4143359I still can't wrap my head around how chapter 5 of all things was the one which split the wider fanbase.I had already checked out of the main story as early as chapter 2 but still held hope for some other things, then chapters 3 and 4 got me into a meltdown and finally chapter 5 was just a mediocre silver lining after all this.I guess I'm really out of tune with the rest of the fandom.
>>4143360Because ch5 pulled the stunts that ch4 did againThe fact that he did it again, and he could just do it again for ch6
>>4143363What stunts?Chapter 4 (and 3) did push the story forward and had a more sensical tonal build up, despite everything.
>>4143364The shit with the shelter codes that I hate, that literally killed any interest i could have had in the story.I liked chapter 3, I hated 4.
>>4143364Kris is supposed to OBEY ME and the story is supposed to be about ME THE PLAYER SAVING THE WORLD like EVERY OTHER JRPG!!!!
>>4143367Bait or retardation
>>4143359>>4143360ch5 was the make or break chapter, the prior 7 years had all been building up to it and the festival, and both of them left a lot to be desired the only real worthwhile things about ch5 were the weird route and aqua
>>4143379Exactly.We got cockteased with the festival and the flowers and Asgore knowing shit we don’t for fucking years.
>>4143352>>4143379The festival was never supposed to be this grandiose event, the WAIT and fandom psychosis simply made it seem bigger than it actually was, because having to WAIT so long meant that everyone got unrealistic expectations for it.
>>4143383then why would toby tease it so extensively in ch2? and then again in ch4?
>>4143385Because Deltarune's not being written with the intention of being a game you wait over 10 years to play from start to finish, it's being written as a game you'll start and finish over the span of a weekend.It only feels like "extensive teasing" because you're experiencing it during the years of WAIT, and because you're not yet allowed to continue the game until that chapter is ready for you to play, it builds up expectations that the reason for the WAIT is because the festival is actually this insanely big moment in the game, when it was never going to be, and the whole point was always to show that the Light World's boring as hell, supporting Susie's delusional spiral of wanting to live in the Dark Worlds so she can go on larger-than-life adventures forever, because the alternative sucks dick.
>>4143386it clearly is though, as toby made multiple tongue in cheek references to how long it was taking way back in ch2the game is absolutely being written with the intention that it's taking an absurdly long time to come out
>>4143388Only from meta characters like his literal self-insert, his OTHER literal self-insert, his OTHER OTHER literal self-insert, and Sans, who's literally only here to troll the player.
>>4143386>Deltarune's not being written with the intention of being a game you wait over 10 years to play from start to finishYeah! That's why over 50% of chapter 5 (of 7) was nostalgiaslop for a chapter you'd have played not long ago if you started now!
>>4143403You’re not supposed to point that out.
>>4143404Sure, I'll keep the larp about Toby being le genius auteur.Nah, Deltarune is just a gigantic pile of course changes by this point. Each new chapter makes the game feel increasingly more incoherent both in story and gameplay.Undertale didn't suffer with this problem because, surprise, it was released only in two chunks and the first one is fairly simple.
>>4143403It's nostalgia for Undertale players, who get one more quirk chungus adventure before it all turns into lesbian melodrama and conspiracy shit, players who get to see the closest thing to canon fallen humans, and it's also nostalgia for Susie, who desperately wants to cling onto the lighthearted adventures forever mindset even though the inevitable of Kris being outed as a FUCKING TRAITOR draws nearer and nearer.
>>4143421>but no nostalgia for jevil/spamtonfucking unfair>nostalgia for Susienostalgia for wednesday on the sunday?
>>4143424Yeah, it was already established in Chapter 2 that Susie felt like it'd been ages since they had their Card Kingdom adventure, and that was only over the span of a single evening, night and morning.Thus, it's not wild to think that Card Kingdom being a few days ago would feel like eternity for her, especially while the "only one way" to save both worlds and Kris's suspect behavior are both at the back of her mind to create yearning for when it was all so simple.
analysing how toby evolved creatively across the years, i've come to the conclusion hotland is more deltarune-esque than some portions of deltarune, and chapter 2 is more undertale-esque than some portions of undertale
kriselle kino fresh from the xitter
>>4143428
>>4143433will the dess-ign be another banger or will it rape everyone?
>>4143435all in on nerd dess
>>4143436haha nerd ass
>>4143435human dess that also happens to be chara under another name would absolutely mindrape everyone in multiple waysimagine the awe and the seethe
>>4143403Actually this was to set up the idea of 5, 6 and 7 being parallels to previous chapters, with these chapters ultimately ending in a subversion of its mirror. See chapter 5 ending with you being forced to fight Omega Flowery (whom parallels Ralsei) and having Asgore (whom parallels King) spare you.
>>4143439RUN
It's fun how there's both discourse about Male and Female Kris on Twitter.
>>4143434Anon, don't stick your dick in crazy.
>>4143444wait what. why are they throwing a tantrum over femKris now of all times?
>>4143444
>>4143446they're throwing tantrums about everything latelythey're becoming us but even faggier
>>4143447>>4143446They're arguing about how a 3D artist is literally a pedophile for giving Kris an ass this big.
>>4143444>>4143446some fags are even sperging out how femkris is 'accepted' in the community while mkris is not i have never once seen this to be the case, unless he's talking about troonkris, in which it's still mkris
>>4143449basically "my penis got hard to kris deltarune so now its your problem", what a bunch of whiny losers those twitter deltarune fans are, they cant leave something be without making multiple bitchy posts about it
>>4143450I don't get it either because the majority has always portrayed Kris as a masculine while you had to beg to even find something that acknowledged she was a girl.
They/them btw.
>>4143453Looks more like Chara tbdesu
Legitimate question that is currently breaking my brain here,how fucking old is Noelle in undertale?The way Asgore is reminiscing about Rudy makes me think Noelle was born before Rudy started to out-age Asgore.And,Why is Dess paired up with Asriel in Deltarune when Asriel apparently never met the Holidays in Undertale? The only counterpart to Dess in Undertale would be Frisk or (You)/Chara.
>>4143460asriel would've been long dead by the time of the ut holiday family from what i can tellas for why they're close in deltarune, probably because she fit in with the other roughly teen aged characters in it remember, ut asriel never knew burgerpants, catty, or brattybut in dr he was friends with all of them
>>4143464The main thing messing with my brain is why Asgore mentions Rudy growing old AFTER mentioning Noelle. It's as though that whole scene with Rudy, the fruitcake and Noelle happened long before Rudy got so old that he died.Maybe it's just a writing quirk and this was a recent event, but it leaves lolibaba Noelle on the table which is something that continues to melt my brain.
>>4143465well, we do know that toby's writing can be pretty dodgy, especially after years of larping as if he's a nip eslremember that asgore's lines about rudy's daughters is the sole reason why people think dess is a human for whatever reason, because he specifies that the younger one has antlers there's also some characters in dr having deteriorating speech, like jockington and susie, for no discernible reason
>>4143211The excuse for the bad writing in chapter 5 was because it was a "filler episode", even though we know for a fact chapter 3 was literally supposed to be a filler episode, a fact which Ralsei explicitly points out.Nuh uh, I don't believe that for a second. Chapter 5 wasn't filler. Toby specifically wanted to slam-fuck us with Suselle-slop as hard as he possibly could. It was meant for pointing directly at (You) and laughing.And also kicking Kris as hard as possible while he's already down. She's. They're. Fuck. I feel for Kris deeply, and I suspect that's the other point.
>>4143467ch5 is a filler episode because nothing happens in it that wasn't already done in ch3hell, the ending of ch5 is the exact same as ch3: the knight shows up, gets into a fight, wins, and then fucks off with a cop while the heroes are unable to do anything about it toby seems to struggle with longform storytelling, he refuses to naturally progress the story and instead seems intent on backloading everything until the 11th hour
>>4143466Toby forgot to proofread because of the producer's deadline I guess.Or whatever, Susie is being puppeteered by the prophecy to become a cookie-cutter anime harem hero. Who fucking knows. Lolibaba UT Noelle and human Dess. Given Gerson mentions monsters and humans would have relationships before the barrier bullshit, who knows. Carol not appearing or being mentioned at all in Undertale besides being "alive and married to Rudy" is fucking weird.
>>4143470This is all to say: I'm not fucking excited for chapter 6 and hope that for everyone's sake we temper our expectations.
>>4143472i expect the ONE THING to be the knight reveal, i honestly don't know what else it could be based on his wording i think people are too up their own ass with dess knight and auraposting with rudy knightnobody seems to give enough of a shit to also consider that carol and noelle are also candidates, and make more sense than dess and rudy do
>>4143474Depending on who Knight is, identity alone could tell us what happened on THAT DAY and what Kris and Knight hope to accomplish as a result, and Toby refuses to elaborate on THAT DAY before the Chapter 7 Lederdump, so it can't actually be Knight identity unless it's a literal nothingburger to know who they are.If it's Dess Knight in any capacity, then we know THAT DAY involved her getting raped by the dark and being corrupted into Knight, so that immediately means Dess is a psycho who WANTS to cause The Roaring, but can't until the prophecy has all of its criteria is fulfilled, and is forcing Kris to go along with it by exploiting his guilt.If it's any Holiday Knights or Asriel Knight, then we know Dess got raped by the dark and became lost, and now Knight is exploiting Kris's guilt to force him to help them find Dess by any means necessary.If the clarification is Knight identity, it outright HAS to be "Knight has no identity" or someone completely unrelated to the plot like Papyrus or Alphys, that way nothing about THAT DAY has to be shared aside from "damn, this character actually came to Hometown way earlier?" which opens yet another mystery for endless speculation and theorybait, just how Toby likes it.
>>4143330Kris has the exact same body type as Susie, so Susie is a MAN.
>>4143491Susie is a monster, not a human
>>4143491If Susie was a boy half of the Suselle haters wouldn't exist.Or maybe they would double since people would say Sam is cucking Kris even more or something.
>>4143499It would double for sure, it's one thing getting cucked by a girl, getting cucked by a man is even worse.
>>4143499If Susie were a man, it would be an even more hardcore NTR.
>>4143499Male Susie would create a ton of NTR/raceplay contentThe wars of Sam's Big Dino Cock fucking doe pussy the sissy human can't touch, or thr other way around relentless cucking Sam content because of his oblivious natureMaybe it's for the best Susie isn't a guy, this fandom sounds actually a lot worse
>>4143343Kris if they looked even more like Chara.
>>4143360Probably because you aren't some type of shipper or insane theorist, 5 broke these types of fans.
>>4143501Maybe people would self insert with Male Susie instead of Kris?
>>4143438>Implying Toby would ever give any information about his precious choco without being hidden over five layers of indirect parallelismNot happening.
>>4143507Nah, I sympathize with Kris.
>>4143440What if 6 and 7 don't mirror previous chapters at all?
>>4143507Most people are just feeling fucking awful for Kris rather than doing any self-inserting.
>>4143507The 1st tenet of HMOFAfags is to never self insert as the furry, they would just make Kris cucking male Susie content
>>4143449>>4143450This fandom has always whined about the sexualization of the humans since the dawn of time, surprised it's finally happening to Kris since most of the bitching is about people making them into a blatant dude.
>>4143456The only difference between Kris and Chara in fanart is how masculine or feminine they're draw, so when Kris is draw as a girl those differences basically cease to exist.
>>4143460>>4143465Asgore says Noelle is around Frisk's age. Undertale's timeline is far different than Deltarune's, Asriel didn't know any of his Deltarune classmates in Undertale and you have stuff like Monster Kid being younger than Snowdrake in Undertale while they're at the same age in Deltarune.
>>4143474The ONE THING is just explaining what happened that day above all.
>>4143499Susie being a girl is the only reason people liked her before 5. Male Susie would be hated by HMOFAfags.
>>4143507Despite being furries HMOFAfags try to pretend they aren't, they would never sympathize with the furry to self-insert as him. Just look at how Ralsei is treated.
>>4143523He's treated as basically girl-lite?
>>4143514>>4143523>MUH HMOFAfagsObsessed.
>>4143021What's next, FORGOTTENMAN is therapist?!
>>4143513And he had the nerve to force suselle
>>4143343It's so ugly I can't take it why did they make Noelle white instead of black with dreadlocks?
>>4143526Yep, he's treated as another Kris's waifu or he doesn't exist at all.
>>4143546 so pretty son
Kris putting his penis in Noelle
>>4143566How do you put a vagina inside someone?
>>4143568Alloderm
>>4143544it was deliberateKris is playing us like a fiddle, waking up just so that we can't skip the lake scene
>>4143520ONE THING I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard I try
>>4143575So what that was horrible don't make me watch I cannot promote itCan not
>>4143330
tl;dr of chapter 5
>It took more than 30 minutes for the /v/ jannies to nuke the Kris huge penis threadAmazing
>>4143591A thread with Kris in the OP also went completely under their radar and got nuked 50 posts after it had already hit bump limit. #nooticing.
>>4143534Not obsessed.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/750637610
>>4143579>so what if one of the characters is doing this for a reason I don't want to watch it so no story should be allowed to have any character do this
>>4143602yeah, i dont want this to happen again and again and againI get in trouble if I get caught promoting things I usually don't support.
>>4143615Perhaps stop insisting the games you play are for children before you know their content.
>>4143617>>4143125This was written for children. Specifically, to groom them.
>>4143620You could just say "this game is not for children" and move on. That's what age ratings are meant to be for.And besides, whether it's appropriate for children is irrelevant to whether a character can do a certain thing and what their motives are.
>>4143624Cool. M.
>>4143625... ok? I don't see a problem with this. A little overkill for a game that's barely shown blood, but it's not like any of the target audience is cut off.
>>4143625Deltarune is only for epic and mature gamers, not idiot babies.
>>4143626If you promote homosexuality, that is the only rating you deserve. When I was a kid, that big fat M was enough to make sure my parents wouldn't let me get anything I wasn't supposed to. If you have good parents, they'll do the same thing and stop you from getting groomed by faggots.
Can they stop the roaring?
>>4143632>here before they show up in chapter 7 and the whole game was meaningless
>>4143630And Deltarune isn't meant for kids anyway so I don't have any objection to this. I think doing it over homosexuality is mental illness, but I don't think this cuts off the target audience.
>>4143632No because I'm not in the team
>>4143641buttsex is mental illness, thats chimp behavior right there, and i will never call it normal
>>4143649>anything that isn't straight missionary sex with the lights off for the sole purpose of recreation is UNCLEAN
>>4143652Yes.
>>4143656Beastiality is a sin in the bible too, CoL
>>4143659Hmofa is not bestiality
>>4143660Human x non human is.
>>4143663Human x doll?
>>4143668Mew Mew is a human girl in lore, so no.
oh dont mind me, just enjoying a technical limitation
I love this fanart. Sprite accurate Noelle that isn't chopped
>Halloween newsletter SOON. POSSIBLY.https://toby.fangamer.com/dog/
>>4143681What?
>>4143681Holy dolphin porn, Batman!
>>4143681
>>4143681Doesn't mean anything, it's presumably just to provide a legitimate source for wikipedia so it can maintain Toby's Yoko Taro "I don't want anyone to see my face" LARP.
>>4143686>travis mulchAny relation to Sandy Loam?
>>4143686This is just Toby wanting to censor his face even more.
For those curious the deltarune piano collection is out on youtube now, Look at my little ramb nigger he's so freeNewsletter maybe soon.
>>4143696The USED UP bitches.
>>4143701Coming to another jrpg near you, a scathing critique on why the things you like about jrpgs are actually just technical limitations and why you should be lame and gay instead
FRIEND is in the Vs Susie art btw.
>>4143330https://youtu.be/J22Ob9fkC1I
>>4143705Got a picture?
>>4143170And Orange's head is 3x larger than her body.Almost like being a pixel games with compact sprites limits how small you can make characters without losing their visual identity.Here's two 10 year olds hanging out with an old man. Can you tell from their size which is which?
>>4143705Post proof faggit. More proof that my Susie = princess dragon from 74 is TRUE and CANON
>>4143709Yes, the old man is the ball on the far right.
>>4143701Noelle has some spooky devil wings there. Cool.
>>4143708>>4143710
>>4143715This susie will never come back btw
>>4143715>Two yellow eyes>Susie (who's pink) covering oen of the eyes.Damn, that's sick.>>4143716We nearly got that in Chapter 4 when she snapped at Ralsei for not telling her shit.
>>4143716She'll come back in Chapter 6 when she can no longer deny that Kris is up to no good (for all of 3 seconds)
>>4143710How so? It could just mean that Susie is in danger, just like Ralsei thinks.
>>4143717Then she lilted over after seeing ralsei cry a bitch about something the game was too far up its own ass about to let me seeBecause the writers are cowards
>>4143720>why can the characters have opinions on it if I can't see what they're having opinions about at all times
>>4143709>And Orange's head is 3x larger than her body.And that's bad, how?
I'm sick of the Susie gameThis is the future you cucks support and I'm treated as the crazy one for saying I don't want this happening again while saying games were always meant to be this way
>>4143718They'll talk it out and resolve it offscreen during the time gap between chapter 6's end and chapter 7's start, that way we don't have a really retarded scene of Susie basically talking to a wall, and so that Kris doesn't have to tell her that (You) exist, because Kris can just know when the chapter's about to end and exploit that time gap the same way he exploited the knowledge that chapter 3 was about to end so he could enter the shelter dark world and conspire with Knight without worrying about (You) being privy to it.
>>4143681For a man, Toby sure has some really dainty hands.
>>4143724Why can't I have an opinion on things then
>>4143727>conspire with Knight without worrying about (You) being privy to itWhy does that matter the game can just me from doing anything on a fucking whim
>>4143731You can.>but I want all the information before I form an opinionNot an option anywhere, this is just the first time you've noticed it.
>>4143734Why not, every other game i play I know everything about before I even touchWorrying about spoilers is for retards
>>4143736Congratulations, you've done more damage to your own experience with all games than any one game could hope to.>but I need to know everything before I startToo bad you started an incomplete game. Seems like you violated your principles. Why did you do that?
>>4143726Stop crying so much faggot. Susie is going to die.
>>4143736Ah, so the problem finally unfolds. You're mad that the unfinished game is still unfinished. You KNEW the unfinished game would be unfinished, and yet you still chose to invest your time, energy and effort into caring about it, KNOWING that it's unfinished, KNOWING that you would not be able to simply just "know everything" before you began playing it.
>>4143738I didn't mean to post that pic. Oh well.
>>4143726>This is the future you cucks supportWdym? I literally shit on Suselle every day. Nobody in this thread likes it unironically.
>>4143739>the problem finally unfolds.>the final tragedy unveils.TOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEERT
>>4143734>publicity stunt in ch4>game says nothing, distracts me with that the entire dark world and stops me from having fun>prophecy is hidden out of spite>game says nothing, distracts me every time the game brings it up and stops me from having fun>ch5 punishes me for walking left with a dark fountain made to waste the customer's time while shrinking Susie's brain to the size of a raisin to justify it>game says nothing, distracts me for the entire dark world, stops me from having fun That's 3 times now>>4143737I damaged my own experience? Why, because I don't want to be subverted by people like you halfway through because you hid half your game?>>4143738Let her die faster, she's too stupid to live.>>4143739Move. Faster. You have a millionaire's budget, use it to move faster and stop wasting time. Ch5 was the last straw, you have to move now, this is shit.
>>4143743You don't even like Deltarune. Why do you care to see how the story goes? You've already decided in your mind how it will play out, and you refuse to accept alternatives.
>>4143743>stops me from having fun>out of spite>punishes meA victimhood to rival Spamton's.
>>4143719Probably but I do think its interesting how toby is associating FRIEND with Susie, we already have plently of links on Noelle's side with cat petterz and the ARGs so maybe the rest of the game will flesh out Susie's.What it means, who the fuck knows.
>>4143743>"I look up everything about every game I play before I play it because otherwise I can't tell if it's subversive">somehow wound up playing Undertale>SOMEHOW wound up playing Deltarune after that>"how is this my fault???????"
>>4143747Somehow? This is what you clogged up the market with, blame yourself first for supporting it.
>>4143747He didn't mind Undertale's subversions because the game still allowed him to kill anyone he didn't like and didn't force him to enable a lesbian relationship. He was perfectly content with the Anarchy Neutral Ending where no one is happy and monster kind will surely seek great vengeance after the bastard child who slaughtered many monsters came and went, and none of those remaining monsters are fit for taking up the throne to instill order in the kingdom of monsters.
Okay wiseguy, tell me the best 3 Dragon Quest games I should play
>>4143753Dragon quest is a mediocre series and is only hyped by the japanese because they have the most bland taste of all time
>>4143747No one said anything about what ch4 was like. No one at all, all the information was hidden.
>>4143754With how Japan is disrespecting Toriyama by demolishing Bird Studios, it's only a matter of time before they beg Toby to become the new head of Dragon Quest so he can give it that subversive magic and make the series popular with kids, especially given all the Japanese boomers are slowly dying out and becoming a nonviable market because of it.
>>4143752CoL likes King Papyrus.
>>4143746Susie’s chair is also FRIEND, too.
>>4143744I want it to be over and done with.
>>4143765But it's already over and done with because you've decided how the story will end for yourself. Misery cuck porn in normal route and a 7B that's just a black screen to "punish" the player for wanting to make their choices matter, you refuse to accept alternatives. So just throw your hands up and leave, the game is over for you.
>>4143767You said it not meYou and a thousand other people because you hate yourselves and actively strive for less and less
Can you guys appreciate the cool new art or you're gonna keep talking about how toby fox raped you?
>>4143769why does the pink flower look like a jigsawry
>>4143769Fix your game. Chapter 5 was miserable, I hated every second of it, and you have the nerve to demand I call it normal.
>>4143769That deer has pink and yellow eyes btw.
>>4143769all this is telling me that her room in queens mansion is a manifestation of her yearning for her sister to come back making it more likely that she made the ch2 fountain and not dess
>>4143769Where are you getting them, by the way? I'm trying to listen to the new collection, but they all have the same thumbnails (and Toby hasn't made a playlist yet).
>>4143769Every single piece of art is additional rape though
>>4143773>spoilerAll Lightners rooms are manifestations of their browsing history through Queen's distorted lenses.'sides, that wouldn't explain why Noelle attacked everyone at the start of Cyber World.
>>4143777That's Queen. If it was Noelle, those plugboys would be frozen.
>>4143778Point taken.First argument remains.
>>4143777>>4143778what about the smiling outlets in the basement? something that noelle only mentions in her blog (and thus not on the library laptop)
>>4143775They are being extracted from the Materia page directly but I'm reposting from twotter
>>4143782>top right KrisWtf Kris was supposed to be an alpha dude in this
>>4143781>her blogThus in her internet history.
>>4143782Link to this site? Also does it have the Undertale images as well?
>>4143781>>4143773Are you trying this NoelleKnight cope again?
>>4143784but the only place in the dark world that takes the interests of the lightners into account are their rooms in the mansionthe basement seemingly isn't somewhere they were supposed to go and has to be 'hacked' so one can enter it
>>4143786https://materia.store/collections/deltarune-piano-collections-volume-2/products/deltarune-piano-collections-volume-2-digital-sheet-music-bookYeah there is also a page for Undertale's book
>>4143781Noelle told Dess about ICE-E winking at her from the box and she believed her, she might've told her about the outlets too.
>>4143787Anything to avoid the dreaded Dess Knight.
>>4143787noelle knight has more solid ground that dess knight >b-but-your 'candidate' doesn't even have a spoken line of dialogue in gameeven big G himself has more than thatpathetic
>>4143791NTA, and I like theoryknitting about the Knight as much as the next guy, but I wonder how someone who's playing blind think about this whole discourse.
>>4143339
>>4143793They'd naturally think it's either Dess or Carol.
>>4143793>the adventure began in the school closet>the same closet Alphys told them to come insideAlphys knight, obviously
>>4143793Papyrus has been strangely absent...
>>4143793Making the roaring knight some teenage girl would be really dumbMaking it a woman at all would be really dumb
>>4143796Not even Dess, you have to be fandombrained to know what's implied to be going on with her beyond "she's probably missing and/or dead."
>>4143789Wait do I need to buy this in order to see all the images?
Most of my theories at this point are just something I think would be cool and make sense in the game, but not really required. Dessknight is the exception. If Dessknight is confirmed, I'm going to be so fucking annoying about it. If it's true in a very similar way to what I envisioned, I'll be ECSTATIC.You can join me in the victory lap, or you can suck my dick. The choice is yours.
Why can't December just stay deadThe game will just force you to play pacicuck again if it's her
>>4143772I think you are drunk
>>41437874chan is a Noelle Knight land.
>>4143806There's an equal chance "reviving" Dess requires doing weird in the same way you had to do geno to actually see and hear Chara.
>>4143807Pay attention to the black one in the wall.
>>4143806It'll force you to play pacicuck if Knight is ANYONE except a literal unthinking embodiment of destruction who literally can't understand the concept of mercy.
>>4143801That's what I thought when Ch3 released, Tenna kept talking about the Holiday family, made me play the Dess song, then the Holiday-shaped Knight appeared behind the lock made to restrain Dess.I briefly wondered if it was Noelle, but she didn't look like someone able to juggle the two personas, and Knight's behavior didn't change after Snowgrave.THEN I thought it was maybe Carol with her black katana and her reference to (YOU), but minutes later the Knight is aura-farming like a teenager.Which is all to say Rudy is the Knight.
>>4143815Carol mogs Rudy in the aura-farming like a teenager department, come back when Rudy is making the temperature go down just by appearing and using katanas to cut fruitcake and briefcases.
>>4143810Chara is the narrator and the Knight is the phone voice so we hear both of them outside of evil routes.
>>4143815I'm betting the Knight is a Flowey based on Dess.
>>4143818>Chara is the narratorOnly confirmed in select dialogues in genocide.>Knight is the phone voiceUnconfirmed.
>>4143821Why just Dess? Ralsei has Asriel's appearance, but Toriel's mannerisms. The Roaring Knight might be copying from two or three persons.
>>4143806The game is going to force you to play pacifist no matter what. Have your tantrum about it somewhere else.
>>4143812And you defend it, why do you do that>>4143825Why not here? You're the ones that need to hear it because you consistently support it
>>4143823Flowery being an amalgam of basically everyone from Asgore's life is a foreshadow of this, especially when him and Knight share a lot of mannerisms and posture.Knight probably isn't directly Dess, but if there's any stock to be made on how UNUSED says they feel like they're just a "collection of memory" at this point, Knight could very well be an amalgam of broken dreams and memories from all of Hometown, conflicting perspectives of who Dess was, what she was like, twisted through the lens of the harbinger of The Roaring.
>>4143823Am I the only one who finds it strange that Kris's knife hasn't been shown at all in the Dark World? We know every dumb piece of stuff you have in your pockets becomes an item or a sentient Darkner. What if the Knight is Kris's knife, and the reason it looks like a deer is because that knife took Dess's life? The Knight theme is also called Black Knife. I'm not saying Kris killed Dess necessarily, for all we know Dess could have taken her own life with that knife and Kris just took it.
>>4143829Kris' knife is a secret weapon outside of the inventory Kris refuses to use that can one shot anything like how the Knight said fuck you to Flowery's fake stats
>>4143829Doesn't Aqua confirm the knife doesn't turn into anything and that Kris is just keeping it from us?
>>4143829I assume it would change Kris' class to his real, overpowered one. Obviously a no-go for his information retention plan.
>>4143831>>4143832>>4143833Yeah. Never mind what I posted. The Knight HAS to be a Lightner anyways, cause someone in the real world is still kidnapping people.
>>4143834I'm sure Noelle can pull an unwilling Asgore to the Shelter. Trust.
>>4143822We live in a headcanon world so it's canon.
If Diao ta run looked like this I would play it
>>4143831So all the stats are fake
>>4143829Aqua mentions Kris's knife in her CHECK.
>>4143834>>4143835If we assume Knight is just a normal Lightner, then literally no one can do it except The Warrior, everyone else in Hometown is too weak to carry Asgore's fat ass."Knight is Knight" or Abnormal Dess are the only reasonable candidates.
>>4143838No wonder Kris got scared when HERO_SWORD approached.
>>4143838If Kris and the fun gang see the world with the verisimilitude of real life, and we see them as 16 bit sprites, I think it's possible that mantle actually does look like this to Kris, or maybe like a low poly minigame
>>4143842>"Knight is Knight" or Abnormal Dess are the only reasonable candidates.I spent so long defending Rudy and Noelle, it can't end like this bros
>>4143845It can still be both of them if you assume the knight transformation still applies in the lightworld gives them IRL superpowers.Would maybe explain why the knight can open fountains in public spaces without getting caught if they can shapeshift in the lightworld.
>>4143845>Noelle is a schizo, trust>Rudy bypass the nurse three times a day, trustIt was never going to pan out.
>>4143846If that were the case, Knight wouldn't have summoned a Titan in response to Susie calling out that the Knight's being a Dark World-lurking coward who can be beaten in the Light World, basically confirming Susie's beliefs.It's something with freakish supernatural strength and mobility, but it loses all of its other powers that make it nigh-unstoppable. And since there's no ordinary Lightners aside from The Warrior who fit the bill, then that once more affirms that our only real options that matter to the narrative are Identityless Knight and Abnormal Dess.
>>4143849The Knight's first reaction to Susie's claim is laughing hard. The Titan could just as easily be a show of light world strength, since only Lightners can make fountains.
>>4143834>The Knight HAS to be a Lightner anywaysSpamton wanted to steal Kris' soul and everyone collectively decided to forget that
>>4143851Because the writers forgot that and made the fucker another blorbo that you can't attack
>>4143853You can attack Spamton you absolute retard
>>4143769Cool tennis ball
>>4143829You guys need to stop writing good shit that I want to happen I thought we agreed to lower our collective expectations
>>4143859No, that was just one of CoL's schizo delusions since "higher expectations" = "it plays out like dragon quest" to him
>>4143864I'm not your boyfriend, CoL, dude. Isn't he the one who is always depressed and waiting for the worst all the time?
>>4143727Kris and me? Oh yeah we made up
>>4143864>>4143868I'm pretty sure CoL wants people to have higher expectations otherwise we are accepting what Toby does or whatever.
>>4143686I wonder how much of history you could rewrite if one side were given free reign over Wikipedia pages while the other would be forbidden the access
>>4143499I don't think male Susie would have a single supporter after Ch5. Anyone who even tried to give any of the same sympathy would be infinitely derided as a cuck.
>>4143097Just like in my Underteilu...
Underuteiru
>>4143845Carol is said to be the one who beat up the dog thievies and she was extremely fast AND merciless. Outside of Undyne she's probably one of the strongest in Hometown.
>>4143097>>4143885Yep, Vessel is Frisk in the role of Chara so the big twist is that the soul we play as is just their soul and not a third guy.
>>4143887Girl has anorexia in real life and wouldn't be able to lift a fly but since it's Faggy Fox's game all girls are STRONG, POWERFUL, and INDEPENT. They can all supplex literal boulders.
>>4143887was it confirmed to be carol? or was it asgore as those descriptors had been used for him in undertaleah vagueposting, what insight you don't say
>>4143896Could be Carol, or Asgore, or the Knight, or even Noelle or fucking Friend. I've seen speculation that it's them for all of those.
>>4143896I mean, they were trying to get into Holiday Manor and they got speedblitzed by someone who made them prefer being caught by Undyne than stay there.Asgore is not that fast in Deltarune.
>>4143900we don't know if asgore is or isn't that fast because he got nabbed before he was able to do anything the vaguepost king is vague is every way, including his fighting prowess
>>4143170With aqua's ribbon on, and if Kris was bald, she's actually taller.
>>4143828>the conspiracy is to create a new Dess out of everyones memories.this actually would be a cool play on Dess Knight.I would not be upset by this as opposed to regular DessKnight
Welcome back, grouptale. https://youtu.be/7FSjY_auPMA
>>4143905kris my midge daughter...
>>4143886Enter
>>4143908>Flower fagfestI sleep>Kris, Vessel and NoelleWhaa? Take my money
What if Second Soul theory is correct, but not in the way we thoughtKris in the normal route has just about every death flag attached to him and is repeatedly referred to as a corpse/zombie by Susie so it seems almost guaranteed that Kris will die by the end of the NR.But what if on the WR he's able to take the SOUL that's growing in Noelle and continue living?
>>4143908Vessel solo mode so we can play 7B early.
If Carol isn’t DMC3 Vergil-tier strong we’re legally allowed to break Toby’s ankles with Lancers
>>4143927I'm making a Vessel, Ralsei, Orange team so I can be the one to sow discord between them at all times
>>4143922>SOUL that's growing in NoelleLet it go, buddy.
Been missing the threads for 3 weeks.What's new on the menu, deltaCHADS?
>>4143922>>4143936it's actually a noelle growing inside of (you)
>>4143941A newsletter tomorrow, maybe. Also the piano collection volume 2 came out.
>>4143864Because Dragon Quest is the better game. After hearing scum like you say that Dragon Quest is an epic hero's journey because of a technical limitation, I'm never gonna let up. Dragon Quest keeps innovating and innovating. The fuck has Deltarune ever done for video games besides groom kids?
>>4143941krisellechads are being genitally mutilated atm, but nothing else
>>4143966Susellegods are winning as usual, I trust?
>>4143908This party system? Inspired by Dragon Quest.
>>4143966That's because Kriselle attracts all the thread schizos.
>>4143966>>4143970I can see tranniggers haven't given up yet
>SusellegodsGo back to work Robert
Can't wait for Susie's backstory to be that she grew up with a mom addict on crack and the cops came at her house often and since then she has understood the meaning of systemic racism by the establishment which is why she was wary of Noelle at first but the moral of the story is that not all rich people are bad, hell some of them are gay, even.
>>4144003Toby OWNS you, CoL
>>4144007This but in the flashback where this is shown there's going to be a split second animation of mysteryman being beaten to death by the cops and he's implied to be her dad
>>4144009Goomba fallacy
>>4143927https://youtu.be/XN9Ya1adXVk
>>4144002Still crying after the festival lmaoIt's okay, your hero will eat the seeds soon enough
>>4144012He's the only one who calls Toby that here.
>>4144016I only said Robert because it’s funnier then just saying TobyShould I have said Robert Fucks instead so I wouldn’t be confused for him or what
>>4144020You should've acted less RAPED.
>>4144023Why does hating Suselle make you angryI didn’t even advocate for any other ships I just think it’s dogshit
The virgin Kris>dude he's literally Chara Genocide! He has a freaking KNIFE and made his girlfriend roll some monsters up into snowballs!The CHAD Clover>Who should my final boss be today? Should I kill: the monster king and destabilize all of monster society while taking away their only lifeline to the surface, a grieving widow who recently lost her child, my best friend who has SAVEd my life constantly while asking nothing in return, or my foster mother who forgives almost anything I do?
>MUH HMOFA>susellegodsLook at that guy.
>>4144036Cute fanfic! Not canon tho.
>>4143966>krisellechads are being genitally mutilated atmEveryone are being genitally mutilated atm. Suselle is now part of the main plot. This means the overall quality of the writing will decline. You'll see dialogues like this >>414312 throughout the entire chapter.
>>4144063You'll see dialogues like this >>4143125 throughout the entire chapter*
>>4144036>>4144054Really good and organic posts today that totally aren't low quality bait and shitposting
>>4144054>Indian guySo, is this map real?
>>4144066This but every post in every thread before and after this was posted
>>4144027Truthfully I don't care about Suselle, it's just easy schizo bait.
>>4144070What's all the red doing there
>>4144072Go back to your general.
>>4144070No, Canada supports suselle
>>4144076It's a fake map, sadly.
>>4144079canada supports kriselle, chudly toby is an american, so by default usa is suselle's strongest soldier
>>4144082Pathetic amerifats
Brief me on the mission.
>>4144073>schizo baitStop shitting up this thread, retard.
>>4144086You first, schizo.
>>4144085There is not and never was one. You're here to experiment and see what you like (and leave if you don't), not to achieve a goal that was preordained.
>>4144079>>4144082I did a real research right now and France was the Suselle stronghold. Kriselle's was Argentina. Krusie was Sweeden's but take that with a grain of salt as it might be mixed up with a real world from there.
>>4144093Quick correction but Kriselle's stronghold is Greece and Krusie's is Belgium
>>4144085CoL's ultimate goal of sealing the fountains, stop the Roaring, kill the Knight.
>>4144093>Suselle strongholdLMAO it sounds so funny and absurd.
>>4143701>>4143715>ch1 friend and wingsThe fuck, yeah they are just official fanarts basically but still
https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn26/
>>4144109I can't believe Toby slept through the entire newsletter.
Can anyone explain why Toby is obsessed with lesbianism and cuckoldry?
>>4144036One of them was doomed by canon.The other is Clover.
>>4144116Yuri and NTR are popular in Japan, 'nuff said.
>>4144116he's a blue state american
>>4144116It's the natural state of things
>>4144117Clover is just a random Chapter 1 miniboss, she can't compare to Kris.
>>4144093How about I take all your claims with a grain of salt
HMMMM I WONDER WHO THE KNIGHT COULD POSSIBLY BE
>>4144127Noelle
>>4144127anon be reasonableit's not like there's any other official art that links the knight to the king of snowgra-
>>4144117Clover is so doomed that the game over music is literally his theme song kek
>>4144138is that not also true for kris?
>>4144127
>>4144127Yes, a new character, sentient titans, like when ralsei talks about them and we see two slim titans
>>4144139faint glow is a remix of darkness falls, which is the closest thing we have to a proper gaster song that isn't extra short or a sound effect
>>4144125You can check it out yourself. Although I think Kriselle and Krusie are a bit inaccurate because they sound like words in the language of the contries they won.
>>4144138Clover uses the regular Rude Buster theme in her fight.
>>4144116He's the self-proclaimed King of ERO Games. Those are full of lesbians and NTR, so naturally he became unironic fans of those things.
>>4144116One day someone will compile a Shelby qrd and everything about Toby's fetishes will be revealed right then and there.
>>4144135godDAMN kris is a skinny piece of meat
To think we might be hours away from some brutal rape. I cannot wait.
>>4144166and i will be the one doing the raping
>>4144166the worst possibility is going by the entire day without a single acknowledgement about anythingwhich has already happened this year on june 4th
>>4144179what's the relevance of june 4th?
>>4144179And last year, too. Toby hasn't cared at all about Deltarune's anniversary recently.
>>41441823&4 release
>>41441823+4 release date, specifically the first anniversary.>>4144183I don't think he ever acknowledged the UT demo release date, but that is a very different context.
>>4144179Who cares
>>4144209the 10 thread residents here
IMAGE_FRIEND_POOPInstead of bitting, this one shits on you
>>4144214where?
>>4144214>If Deltarune was made by Edmund McMillen
>>4144098>sealing the fountains, stop the Roaring, kill the Knight.Based
>>4144185He acknowledged October 31st a couple times beforehand.
>>4144221notably not in the last year
>>4144224Yeah, but he also skipped the anniversary for the paid release too.
>>4144216just an edit from ch1 susie vs lancer with that new art
But like, how could a newsletter possibly make the chapter 6 situation worse? Besides a delay announcement of course.We already know it's gonna be a nothingburger anyway.
>>4144217Ed would make a great Underrune game tbdesu
>>4144232he could make an offhanded comment about something people are schizoing out over and make discussion even worse than it already is
>>4144232Toby reveals he hasn't made any significant progress on 6 or he comments about the fandom again.
>>4144232Listen to your inner doomfag. Entropy is winning, and everything new is just a downgrade of what once was.You'll never get home, you'll never get her back, and you'll never enjoy Deltarune again.Also all future Dragon Quest games will suck.
>>4144234Good god I hope he doesWe'll only return to normal discussions by reach the bottom of the lake
>>4144234>>4144246He'll remark how he was really inspired by this one "very passionate soul" in a "very special place" and we'll find out the 7B development progress was another subversive ruse to fuck with player expectations, 7B really IS just a black screen of nothing, and it'll all be CoL's fault for deluding himself into thinking that's what it'll be.
>>4144248Toby is on a crusade of his own, opening dark founts within our hearts...guys what if toby is the knight
>>4144243i ain't the crusader
>>4144253>loud_rumbling_bass_drone_that_plays_when_something_ominous_is_on_screen.wav
7b will be yet another round of MANTLE and I'll be raped by this revelation
>>4144253We need someone to oppose his quest of darkness. Maybe a Templar of Radiance? Wait, we can find a better name for that HERO...
>>4144253Toby is our ''mysterious someone'' giving us shadow crystals
>>4144271That would explain why some people went crazy over Mike.
>>4144272[2000 character rant about how toby obeys some made up rules about foreshadowing that are only barely true if you squint in Undertale, and Mike should've been the chapter boss according to the made up rules]
>>4144273aw you still remember me
>>4144273>I missed itWhy am I only there for lukewarm schizos...
>>4144248Imagine if Toby actually mentions CoL in any significant way...
>>4144276hey, I just have nothing to say about that subject anymore
>what if the newsletter sucked?This fucking sub
Only my deltarune is appropriate for children
>>4144286Zip your pants back up you weirdo
>what if pink sucked me?
What if my Deltarune sucked children?
>>4144284>sub
>>4144253I am fairly certain that I didn't give my consent to that. One could even say that it is kinda rapey.
>what if the image limit sucked?
What if I sucked Kris?
>i think hometown SUCKS
>WHAT IF THAT [trash heap] SUCKED MY ?
>But What If This Dojo Thing Sucked Haha
>What if Deltarune induced collective psychosis across various former fans?
>>4144289>*SCCHHLURRRRRRPPPP* Ahh no more anon, I sucked him all up!Thanks I hate it
>>4144232The easiest way would be with a Ralsei sprite featuring 3 very specific colors
>>4144302This is nothing compared to what they went through.
>>4144305who
>>4144305Kris, duh
>>4144304my schadenfreude for /v/ after tranny ralsei would be almost as much as it has been after suselle
>>4144308I would literally kill myself if this happened to me, holy shit
what if flowery was based on rudy? new age theory i know
>>4144302"If"?
CoL character in Deltarune chapter 6
Wait. I understand the concept of balance between the worlds and all, but Dark has the Roaring Knight and the Titans. What's the advantage of the Light side?
>>4144348* ME
>>4144343You've seen Battat on a shelf, get ready for autistic racist Battat on a shelf
>>4144348A lightswitch
>>4144353>autistic racistRalsei?
>>4144353Do tell
>>4144355He's neither.
>>4144355Ralsei is only transphobic.
>>4144355>Ralsei>not racistSecondary.
White Kris mod
>>4144375Probably less divisive than the gendered Kris mod.
>>4144375doesn't make a difference to me because the simpsons conditioned me to see yellow skin as white
>>4144383Same.
>>4144214are we getting a new edition in the deltarune: poop series??the first one was kino
>>4144415Sex with this Kris in specific.
>>4143838it took me all day to figure out what that black shadow was behind white cloak isit's her wings
god, this anniversary has barely begun and I already feel raped
>>4144438You WANT to be raped. Just admit it.
CoL will be the only winner
>>4144442Fucking who?
>>4144439YES TOBY, I WANT THIS!I WANT DELTARUNE TO SUCK!I WANT WIDESPREAD HATRED AND VITRIOL!I NEED TO SEE EVERYTHING BURNING DOWN!I NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO FEEL WHAT I'VE ALREADY FELT!
>>4144444Local lolcow.
And today we shall toast... to these last 8 chaotic years.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gQP8HSwACAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV94KZd74qQ
>>4144449Meta Weird Route...
>>4144476Favorite soundtrack from each chapter?>World Revolving>My Castle Town>TV Time>Dark Sanctuary>Quiet Glade
>>4144476It was miserable
>>4144487Mikeschizo...
>>4144013Kino.
>>4144479How is World Revolving anybody's favorite
>>4144479>your listholy basedanyway>THE WORLD REVOLVING>NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A>It's TV Time>A Dark Zone (I listen to Catswing more often but it doesn't deserve to be on the fucking chapter 4 OST)>ch5_weird_monologue_deep
>>4144495not me for once
Anniversaries are fake and gay
>>4144502shit tasteTWR is still the best song in the entire franchise
>>4144509jehovah's witnesses like you can be disfellowshipped if they play games like deltarune, you should know
>>4144513jaro-who?
There will never be another chance for a bishop character
>>4142972Me when my favorite artists leave Twitter
>>4144515I agree col but we've spent the whole past year discussing this
Flowery is the bi-shop he likes both men and women (Ralsei)
>>4144515You will never have a chance to go back and preserve your principles.It was you who chose to play a game whose future was uncertain from a creator whose history you refused to look at straight.You had all the information you needed to avoid these years of suffering, and you chose to pretend you didn't, just because nobody spelled it out to you in walkthrough format.
Anons dropping mad rhymes on col as if he won't just be spouting the same arguments he does every day right after
>>4144524Have you ever looked at anything straight
>>4144479honestly, samealthough i would pick happy town over quiet gladehonourable mention to paradise, paradise as well
>>4144524>from a creator whose history you refused to look at straightNevermind the fact that straight is the last word I'd use to qualify Toby, his history only tells me how much better the game could have been. Imagine if Kris talked and we got gems like "eat shit faggots" and "go back to n****ville Susie" in the last act.
>>4144529i fully believe kris will speak at the end, based on the old concept art
Kris will say "I love you" to the Soul before the game ends in Side A.
>>4144534>I love youThat's too much decency from Toby Fox and his cronies
>>4144524>It was you who chose to play a game whose future was uncertain from a creator whose history you refused to look at straight.Not COL but damn I feel like a retard for this.I got into Undertale through the Earthbound side of the early fandom and my entire mindset around it was shaped by that. I only had a vague idea of what Homestuck or the Halloween Hack were about, much less for his blogposts and interviews.Even chapter 2 showed signs of what was to come but I didn't have the wisdom to notice it without hindsight.
You guys are only pretending to believe a newsletter will drop today right?
>>4144529>straight is the last word I'd use to qualify TobyYuri is a red-blooded straight man's fetish.
>>4144537I have said from the very beginning there is a chance Toby won't say a single word.Though we did already get the new piano album and artwork, so who knows.
>>4144540Until it happens to your daughter and your bloodline is killed by you for supporting it
>>4144536To be fair to you you couldn't have expected Toby would hand over the game for his team to ghostwrite. I know I couldn't at least, not to that level.
>>4144537>What if the absence of a newsletter fucking sucked?
>>4144540some men are into lesbians because they approach it like a pimp forcing his sluts to put on a show for himselfother men are into lesbians because they like femdom and this is an overly complicated form of denial and humiliation to themplease learn the difference
>>4144543I'm 68% sure he wrote nearly or all of the BS in chapter 5, ghostwriter is just a cope.
>>4144542Why are you letting other people have sex with your daughter?
Kris if she was real
>>4144541I'm not that old in the waiting room here but I don't think newsletters have been as frequent as every two months. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
>>4144545Toby fox and this fanbase are the latter
>>4144550wtfdeltarune in real?
>>4144554Probably
>>4144551Anyone is welcome in the WAITING room, luv.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL6Z8v5IDxE>I'd love to be proven wrong though.Late chapter 2 era had an insufferable amount of sneak peaks and updates from Toby. The silence that came after is really jarring, even if healthier in the grand scheme of things.
>>4144546That might be true. Maybe Toby "pacifist" "actually for this game violence is okay" Fox just got radicalized after all.
>>4144568I said 68% because all the inappropriately recycled songs and guest songs made from unfinished demos makes me suspect he is actually checking out of making the game by this point. But who knows the real reason.
>>4144545>these are the two ways I like yuri, there are no other reasons to like itWhat kind of autism is this
>>4144546the whole reason why there is a ghostwriter cope to begin with is due to the crazy whiplash in quality throughout the chapter the most obvious is comparing the weird route to the normal onei really do wonder how the whole game will look when it's finished, i've already seen some people cope by saying 'oh it'll flow really well when it's done!' but i don't believe thateven as a baseline toby in 2018 was not the toby as in 2021, never mind in 2023/ 24 when the bulk of ch5 would've been written
>>4144572This is what makes me suspect drama with his team as well. I mean it's obvious to anyone who's ever successfully managed a team that handling a bunch of randos through visio from Japan is not a good idea. Also going from one man straight to ten men is not organic.
>>4144574It's called basic psychology.
>>4144575>the most obvious is comparing the weird route to the normal oneThere is something to be said how the Susie there feels more like the one we used to know than current Susie. In a cosmic sort of irony, it kinda made me like her a bit again.>i really do wonder how the whole game will look when it's finishedI gave another chance and played 1 through 4 before 5 came out to see if the game made more sense if played continuously (I made sure to at least end a chapter and start the next in a single session). That just made deltarune feel even more disjointed and directionless, what a shitty experience.>>4144576I believe he probably treats his workers very well, but who knows how those fags act. I do also think producer-sama has sped up development, but I'm suspicious if he is responsible for the lack of polish in certain aspects (think of the dojo as an example).
>>4144578Autism? I guess.
>>41445811-2 feel like a completely different game to 3-4, although both sets have their charms to them that the other lacks (although castletown being a nothingburger in 4 sucks ass)meanwhile here come 5 and it's almost a completely different game from how characters act to the visual style
>>4144586Every single chapter feels like a different game, from the gameplay, the tone, the character's personalities, and the overall plot.I don't mean that every UT area was the exact same, but there was a common ground across everything there that just isn't in DR.>both sets have their charmsdon't see it but who I am to argue with tastes
>>4144593I agree with anonFor me it's:>1 - great alone>2 - weird is great, normal is mediocre>3,4 - great even back to back>5 - back to mediocre, and weird this time is only 5 min
>>41445931-2 have the feel of a more chill modern fantasy adventurei would argue they're the closest toby has gotten to the earthbound vibe, moreso with ch1 but it's still present in ch23&4 are completely different though, i agreethey've very moody compared to 1&2, and while yes there are still a lot of jokes and lighthearted moments, those two really do try and have their serious moments and attempt to bring about a darker atmosphere at times, particularly with mantle and the latter half of ch4's dark worldsit's also why ch5 is so jarring, it completely flips the tone to a quasi ch2 state without having any of the charm, so it feels really disjointed as for character progression across the board, i can believe ch 2, 3, and 4 susie is the same character, but ch1 susie and ch5 susie feel like they're from completely different gamesralsei is similar, although i would say his ch2 characterization is the weirdest of the lot, followed by 5the most consistent character is noelle, probably because she's fairly limited outside of ch2 and how tied she is with the weird route and the sweepstakes, which is where the bulk of her actual character is hidden
>>4144596alright:>1 - Amazing by itself, great after UT but absolutely fails to set up the real game>2 - Retarded but very fun, following it as a template would've made for a fine game>3 - absolutely rancid, the fact there are good spots only makes it hurt more>4 - gets more and more dull to further you get into it>5 - mediocre silver lining that deep down still has the same contempt from 3 and 4
>>4144600it does not get more rancid than this
>>4144600Agreed with 4 being dull after the first playthrough but what is it about 3 you dislike so much. I have to admit, I wasn't the most hyped for a TV chapter and character, so it went beyond my expectations.
>>4144601Wait for chapter 6 to just stop having a battle system because battling is mean
>>4144601I beg to differ>* I mean, the last game was wicked fun, but...>* Get the feeling this'll keep going, until it gets old.>* Okay, then here's an idea.>* Don't play it.
>>4144606susie will grab and throw away the fight button because flowery told her about the menu and was inspired by seth grabbing and throwing away your mercy progress and she'll forbid you from using any offensive spells by ripping them out too
I just had an idea that would have made the Pink fight good. Instead of her taking 0 dmg, have her have infinite hp, with heal if you do too much dmg, like Titan. And, wait for it. Attacks reduce the amounts of bombs she throws at you. So when you attack you are penalized because acting is the only way to end the fight. But, doing that helps modulating the difficulty of rng bomb patterns. So no need for the easy modo hard modo patch bullshit. Who is with me?
>>4144609Huh? Rewarding the player for using the fight button? No way, not in the pacicuck game, not anymore.
>>4144611Asriel RAPED you.
>>4144606It cannot be worse than this. My time spent in a filler dark world that the game knows is a filler dark world, a full year spent waiting to make actual progress after the stunt in Noelle's house ended up a complete waste of my time, is a 'lol susie progressed the game for you by accident and you get punished for even trying buy my merch"This is the guy that's allowed to make decisions on what I'm allowed to have in games according to thousands of his bootlickers, the guy telling me a man marrying a woman is a technical limitation.Hang him. Just hang him, he's a traitor.
>>4144608All subsequent fights are ace attorney bullshit where you have to prove darkners innocence – it wasn't Rouxls Kaard's fault he pleasured Miss Mizzle, she deserved it since her outfit was too revealing – and Susie and Ralsei make it a point to remind you how good of a couple Yellow and Blue every time you press the Justice button
>>4144602>what is it about 3 you dislike so muchtl;dr: (eat shit faggots) Chapter 3 was a self deconstruction of the entire series up to that point and it's smacked right into the first half of the story.long version: I can understand subtext, and the entire ethos behind Chapter 3 is being a mean spirited dunk on the mindset most of the fandom had up to that point. Almost every single thing there is carefully designed to piss off a certain very huge/vocal portion of the fandom from the ch2 era.Most of the foreshadowing and the teasers for it were extremely misleading or straight up lies. So many in-universe rules get broken or ignored, almost always for the sake of making things lamer.The story is about adventures even faker than the ones before or after, all for the sake of a trite "escapism bad" aesop that makes 5 seem ridiculous.It superficially follows the style UT and 1+2 had for the sake of tearing it all down, only for 4 to straight up ditch that style, and then for 5 to bring it back, half assed and in the most awkward spot possible.The normal gameplay, a one of a kind system that other games are NOT going to fully replicate, is extremely bogged down for the sake of bland gimmicks with no substance.
HOLY SHIT THERE IS A PAPYRUS IN MY SCREEN
>>4144612No, I RAPED Asriel
>>4144617>Almost every single thing there is carefully designed to piss off a certain very huge/vocal portion of the fandom from the ch2 era.I wasn't here during the ch3 wait phase but I want to believe you. Is there anything more than the obvious Mike room of chapter 4? Or are you just a schizo?
>>4144613>the guy telling me a man marrying a woman is a technical limitation.Never forget about homeostasis, God's order, nature healing itself, whatever way you want to call it. This guy isn't going to have kids and gaming in a few years will fix itself.
These threads are getting emptier, yet emptier.
Newsletter will trap us in the wait chamberNewsletter will give us despairNewsletter will rape us all
>>4144627It's been a while since I played it so I won't remember everything, but here is a list:>Remember the CRIMINAL gameshow host? Here is he doing a Fortnite dance and being very flamboyant!>Oh yes, he is an asshole to his employees but that's an extremely small part of what you see compared to how King and Queen being tyrants was a major part of their chapters.>Liked Berdly and Noelle in ch2? Let's have Toriel do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING after 3 years of that teaser and Undyne will just show up in the last minute to be a jobber!>Remember all those amazing locations from the previous dark worlds? Well, stare at a fucking NES Zelda clone for hours (the most interesting tileset was scrapped) then stare at a bunch of abstract shit for a bit.>You expected this chapter to be about television? HA.>You expected this chapter to be about Toriel's house? I'll tease you about other locations existing, but you'll never get to see them. HA.>Almost no new unique NPCs! Possibly even less than some Undertale areas!>Not a single shopkeeper screen here either.>Less enemies and bosses than a chapter made by like 3 people back in 2018! There isn't even a real midboss here!>What you get instead of all that is dice! DICE DICE DICE EVERYWHERE ALL THE FUCKING TIME.>And also a ton of this Zelda clone that has nothing to do with the basic systems and was never advertised anywhere!>Ramb and the Weather Couple don't get voice bits or talk sprites, despite the later being extremely confusing to read due to that.>Wanted more schizo bosses? Well fuck you, the guy saying suspicious bullshit dies without a fight, and you get two potential final bosses early instead. And you gotta play that shit well to get access to the mantle and have a chance against the Knight, no matter how many times you need to start all over again.>Tenna's leitmotif EVERYWHERE! Even in MANTLE for whatever reasion. And nothing else new!And have in mind 4 and 5 being the way they are make this even worse.
>>4144640>and was never advertised anywhere!https://deltarune.com/lancer/
>>4144640Don't forget>Ooohhh, Ralsei's gonna drop another big lore bomb on us that clarifies the nature of things!? Sure, you probably already knew Darkners were just objects brought to life by Dark Fountains, but- oh shit, OH SHIT, ARE WE GONNA FIND OUT IF HE'S KRIS'S HEADBAND OR NOT!?!?! lol fuck you, he gets interrupted and then Susie doesn't ask about it ever again! enjoy waiting until Chapter 7 to learn THAT information, faggot!
>>4144641I concede it had SOMETHING though this, but otherwise it was three years of GANGSTERS! SUSIEZILLA! (canceled) COWBOYS!It was reasonable to expect it to be a spoof on the medium like how it had been previously, instead of abstract references to television as an object and a flavor text from under Asriel's bed that was just one thing among many others.Also just remembered another thing:>Wanna see what the cactus looks like as a darkners? Well FUCK YOU LMAO.>And How to Draw Dragons isn't here at all lol.
>>4144642At the very least it isn't like 5. 3 revealed a lot about the setting even if it was cryptic as fuck.
>>4144643>>And How to Draw Dragons isn't here at all lol.And we'll have the narrator lampshade this in Chapter 4's opening! Surely no one will be mad because it can be interpreted as Krusie shipbait! Hah, the sorry bastards don't even know what's coming in Chapter 5...
>>4144643>And How to Draw Dragons isn't here at all lolSusie has been there since chapter 1 bro
>>4144645Chapter 5 has also two remarks against people expecting leitmotif consistency and two remarks against secret boss fans. Don't know why these got on Toby's nerves so hard.
>>4144623It's easy to forget how embarrassing Undertale looks compared to Deltarune
>>4144647It takes an impressive amount of ego to get mad at people for incorrectly interpreting something when they only have limited and incomplete information to go off of, all while you have fully complete information that's been autistically stewing in your brain and notes since 2012.
>>4144648Fuck you Undertale's style is sovl
The last time we got a newsletter on halloween was in 2023. That day, the newsletter arrive at 07:10 UTC. It is currently halloween and it's 10:35. I can feel myself getting raped in real time.
>>4144652I think there are 4 hours left until Halloween day ends in Japan
>>4144640>>4144642Holy raped.
>>4144647"How dare you extrapolate from established patterns, given the consistent lack of information about anything lore significant! 20 more Mike rugpulls for you, now keep gobbling up my shitty merch like the disgusting perverted scum you are"
>>4144652>That dayWhat a HORRIBLE day to have a curse...
https://youtu.be/oCnK4rO5YQ0I want Susie's dad to rape me.
Big shots just a freedom for worlds revolving around the penumbra phantasm 's device 7b
>>4144660Noelle holiday thorn ring ferris wheel snowgrave berdly noelle kris ice shock northernlight
Noelle is the angel
>>4144662No I am.
https://youtu.be/r4VHiYqZxkoThe beginning made me realize From now on and Flashback could be combined seamlessly, maybe for 7B battle theme
>>4144665That'd be cool, it'd be nice if we could return to a different battle theme instead of another Rude Buster remix. The video is making me excited for Chapter 6 again, it's unlikely we're getting a non-Knight dark world or normal enemies in a different style, but by god if it doesn't look interesting.
>>4144665You're getting Pepper Steak for 7B and you're gonna LIKE IT.
>>4144667If the story is going to be serious then it's probably going to be at Noelle's house as people are expecting. With the guitar darkner and everything. I doubt we can expect many battles after 5 it really wouldn't make sense but if we do then it might be if we get isolated with Noelle again in aborted and From now on combined with Flashback might be the aborted weird route battle theme.
>>4144668I mean yeah I would like it, but um... last time Toby did a remix all by himself we got the horrid collab with ZUN on UN Owen and Necrofantasia and... those guys really need sound engineers...
So we're not getting a newsletter today huh
>>4144673We're getting a livestream
This is cool af, would be nice to see an interesting take like this on a Noelle dark worldUnfortunately this is deltarune where the game isn't allowed to be fun, so chapter 6 won't have a dark world because it would "subvert" and deconstruct the traditional tropes of games not being dogshit
>>4144675
>>4144675Will you ever stop acting so raped?
>>4144675>schizophrenic makes up an entirely fictional scenario in their head then gets mad at itWhy does this happen so often in these threads?
>>4144684People want to be raped and gaped.
>>4144675>chapter 6 won't have a dark worldNah I there will be one but it'll be the SJELTER though
>>4144695Sjelter was and always will be a final Chapter-tier Dark World.
>>4144253Crusader of Dog
>>4144284>subGo back to preddit
>>4144305Shut the FUCK up, Asgore.
>>4144697Holiday manor feel too final too unless 80% of it goes unused in chapter 6 due to how vast it is
>>4144702He means "sub" as in "submissive" because we're all waiting for Toby to ruin our dirty, quivering little expectations with his big, strong newsletter.
>>4144383If yellow skin is already white than what is Chara?
>>4144706Asian, duh
>>4144479>World Revolving>BIG SHOT>It's TV Time>Dark Sanctuary >Flower Man
>>4144705I already told you to go back.
Field of hopes and dreamsBig shitIt's tv timeGuardian kind of Flower castleSunset of seven suns piano version had something the in-game version didn't honestly. Also the beta mew mee track was catchy asl I loved the instrumentation on it, it was so hecking reddit retro
>>4144517Me when Soseji nuked all her accounts
>>4144710>Big shitPoppet...
>>4144543>ghostwriters cope
"there will be no charismatic, funny, enjoyable darkner main villains in ch6 + expect little merch"Carol is gonna be the main villain of the ch6 dark worlds not some quirk chungus darkner because she's a psychopathic girl boss who WOULD beat three teenagers to deathAlthough if Krismas is working with Carol, I don't see her killing them, so maybe Kris betrays Carol mid way through the dark world? Or the caller on the phone is someone else and Carol showing up immediately after is le ebic subversive red herring?Much to consider
>>4144715>Although if Krismas is working with Carol, I don't see her killing them, so maybe Kris betrays Carol mid way through the dark world?Knight already showed how they treat co-conspirators : still beaten down, but less than others.
>>4144648Shut the fuck up, Undertale is kino and soulful.
>>4144662Correct.
>>4144715The fact that Carol sees nothing wrong with Noelle during the weird route makes me think she actually isn't in on the plan and the whole "I'll be right there" text from the phone in chapter 4 is a red herring meant to make you think it's Carol but it's actually someone elese.
>>4144716I guess, but then losing to Carol wouldn't be a game over state right, unless Carol and Kris are seriously trying to end the world? Maybe she just roughs them up like flowery but let's them live and imprisons them and they escape or something, though now that would make her look kinda incompetent imo. Or she's obsessed with dominance and tries beating Aussie and Raleigh down until they give up to break their spirits which is where the possibility for retries comes from
>>4144695>>4144697>>41447046's Dark World is the Hospital, obviously.
>>4144648>"Ugh, dad, don't walk too close to me, you're embarrassing!"Stop being spoiled.
>>4144720I can see the second option being a possibility, it's the same thing Susie and Lancer did in their fight
>>4144720what if carol overswung?
>>4144720In Reverse Undertale Chapter 6 is the RUINS, so the main boss will be like Toriel who can't kill you purposely.
Deltarune has yet to make me feel like walking through new home with the monsters narrating asriels ludokino backstory as you move to fight king asgore, or watching someone do that one YouTube because I haven't played Undertale
>>4144727Duh. We haven't reach the New Home narrative equivalent yet.
Some Russian retarded used AIslop to try to predict Chapter 6.https://arannes.github.io/deltarune-chapter6-claude-theory/
>>4144732I don't know Russian and can't understand anything, still better than 90% of theories
>>4144735You can use google translate, that's what I'm doing. It thinks 6's Dark World will be the shelter.
>>4144635>CoL going on his usual meltdowns>humanfag eating up half the file limit with image-only posts that nobody replies to>single-digit number of anons who stumble in here after a /v/ thread gets nukeda perfect recipe for a miserable thread
>>4144635Until we're back where we belong.
>>4144738I don't reply to him but I appreciate that guy posting all the new Kris art as I don't need to check xitter myself.
>>4144662Why does this hack fraud put all the juicy bits of the story outside his game in shitty ARGs, random concept art and music videos with his japanese waifu?
>>4144635It's only natural, there's no news, we are limited to a shitty thread with terrible neighbors and we got schizos like CoL and Kriselletard ruining most conversations. Things will get better when we can finally return to /v/.
Gaster deniers: "dude, NO WAY Toby would put secret bosses in his game. What about the casual players, or people who play the game blindfolded, deaf and limbless? It's just not like him to gate story content behind secret routes. If it can't be discovered by a casual player within 5 seconds of opening the game, it can't have any place in any route whatsoever, even the ones explicitly designed to be secret Easter eggs."
>>4144744>when we can finally return to /v/We will get a 12 hour grace period on release day and that's a generous estimate.
>>4144747Probably a few days extra, actually.
>>4144748Jannies were deleting Ch 5 threads a few hours after it came out. And they probably only survived that long because Abib wasn't awake yet or something.
>>4144749Chapter 5 threads lasted for a few days, and there were the two weeks that we had between the direct and the game's release, too.
No newsletter lol
>30 minutes left of the 31st in Japanit's over
who ISN'T the knight as this point
>>4144755According to that picture the Vessel could still be the Knight.
Still no newsletter lol
>>4144762Toby is busy. He's jerking off to NTR.
WELL,SPRING CHANGED TO SUMMER, AND SUMMER CHANGED TO COLD,AND SURE ENOUGH,I AM THE NEWSLETTER MANWILL YOU RAPE ME, TOO?
>>4144766I'm Toby?!
>>4144767Get raped like your prophet
>>4144762My OP... completely BTFO'D. I was RAPED.
>>4144751>Chapter 5 threads lasted for a few daysThey absolutely did not and I don't know why you feel the need to lie about something that's so demonstrably false.
Sex with my wife Muffet
>>4144781Maybe my memory is faulty because I remember they lasting 3 days, I mean it took me a full day to play the chapter and there were still threads when I came back.
>>4144783
>>> ch6 Mike room"WHAT, YOU THOUGHT THERED BE A NEWSLETTER? HA HA HA HA HA! DUMBASS""dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass"
Well we got raped alright, though by lack of a newsletter rather than as result of it.
>>4144791>get a newsletter>WE'RE BEING RAPED!>don't get a newsletter>WE'RE BEING RAPED!By this point we're not better than a hentai heroine.
>>4144737>Claude thinks the best course for Deltarune is making chapter 6 the shelterAHAHAHAH>>4144785/v/ threads lasted half a day at most and I mean at European hours
If he's not gonna release a newsletter today then he should hold off on releasing any newsletters until the chapter has only bugfixing, porting and translation left, no point in releasing any newsletter before that, if he's not gonna post a newsletter now where a bunch of merch just got released fairly recently why would he do it later on
>>4144791Which one is Kris?
>>4144721Boy that will be the most filler chapter in the game yet Toby probably doesn't want to acknowledge Berdy being snowgraved at all so I don't really believe it'll happen there
>>4144810that's why the weird route skips 6 completely, clever
Another /v/ thread down.
>>4144812Imagine the backlash and outrage if 6 is pure filler I just can't see it happening even the suselletards would riot
>>4144791I wish I was raped by the girls you posted and not a fat and old dog.
>>4144799Claude thinks 6 will be the shelter, Noelle will give Susie the code because she secretly knew Dark Worlds were real, Alvin will give us the Deltarune code so we can enter it. Then the chapter is about saving Asgore and Undyne (with Noelle freeing Undyne from the ice) and Asgore will finally actually tell us what happened THAT DAY. The chapter ends with Kris causing the Roaring and Asriel returning.
>>4144810>Toby probably doesn't want to acknowledge Berdy being snowgraved at all so I don't really believe it'll happen thereHe can just pull a How To Draw Dragons with him.
>>4144816>Krisellefags in a nutshell: What if the game sucked?!
>>4144819Berdly has already appeared on screen and not just in flavor text, so he cannot.
HE has actually returned.https://youtu.be/RTe2KAVJZQY
>>4144814Only a newsletter can let us escape.
>>4144823based
>>4144823Reminder that there are over ten thousand shays infecting the deltarune fandom, all militant leftists who would kill you if you don't enable their delusionsThe community should have purged this ideology when he got outed, they all think like him, his only mistake was getting caught
>>4144832they're getting raped as wellthe troons are pissy over kris being depicted as white in official art, and the chud secondaries over that one feminine appearing fighting game animation
>>4144836>that one feminine appearing fighting game animationWhat
>>4144836They get raped regularly by ANY depiction of Kris that isn't his scuffed ingame sprite with generic text blips for a voice, there was that time they had a meltie over an animation meme, a staple of internet fandom, all because it wasn't re-dubbed with an "androgynous enough" voice to replace Brian Griffin's despite that usually going against the whole spirit of animation memes.
>>4144837it's basically a default neutral animation of kris in a 3d fighting game style with (apparently) feminine hips and thighs for whatever reason, the esl's got pissy that kris being feminine is suddenly accepted after people sperged out at kris on the vinyl cover, mistakenly believing that the issue was that kris looked masculine and not that kris was definitively portrayed as white instead of a mystery meat mutt like the past couple years
>>4144832We are ShayyyWe carry the DMs
>>4144844>I was prescribed SpyroHow dreadful.
>>4144846Also, I found this while looking for that image.
>>4144846>THE FORBIDDEN IMAGE>BEGAN WITH SPYRO
>>4144837>>4143447
>>4144848>>4144846post full
>>4144844Lmao he's still grooming kids I can't believe it.
>>4144854i'm glad he feels comfortable enough to do it openly
I want to complain so much about the lack of a newsletter, which means the rape is working.
If you even think about how you dislike something Toby did you automatically become the raped™
>>4144860He didn't tuck me in...
Can't imagine giving your decision making powers to transexuals
>>4144844What did it say? It 404'd.
>>4144872It's some fag blogging about his tranny journey and shayy, known pedophile groomer who loves seeing people troon out, being supportive over it.It's also the only comment he directly replied to.
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>>4144872I guess janny is also a groomer. https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/4142952/#q4144844
>>4144876These new boards are weird. One time, I got a warning for calling someone a nigger on /vm/.
>>4144858Guest writer here. Please understand, if Tobers has to make a newsletter, our low budget rpgmaker game will be delayed by another decade. Newsletters take a lot of time and effort to be written and Robert is busy rawdogging a pile of dirt on top on Mt Fuji (Mountain dirt, Japan!) while our current dev team is receiving HIV therapy this week. This is why the newsletter had to be delayed indefinitely. Hope this helps!
Literally nobody cares about this troonshit that came out a decade ago. Why are you using AI to generate thousands of fake posts pretending to discuss it?/vrpg/s traffic is now 2/3ds fake llm generated posts ”discussing” this garbage.Stop already.
>>4144879Cool, thanks for the update!Do you know if Camellia finally replaced Toby Fox as the composer for the rest of the game?It'd be a shame if the game didn't deliver on the only aspect where the game never missed.
>>4144881We only have one llm in this thread and his name is Krisellegpt.
>>4144879You're all faggots
>>4144881chapter 5, which released june of this year, had /v/ on it's knees for two weeks straight until it was soft banned from the board for (no reason given)and that was with only a single thread allowed on the board
>>4144881
>>4144885But we aren't the ones on HIV therapy
>>4144888Toby Fox shouldn't have let homosexuality into his games
>>4144881>I don't like it so I refuse to believe anyone doesRetard. Tell the mods to let us back on /v/ and we can talk.
>>4144783based
>>4144889I know you hate homosexuality, tranny. Doesn't make you less of a degenerate.
>>4144881We know, janny, you really want the mods to fully ban Deltarune off of all boards except /vg/ (because killing off the general would poke the hornet's nest and create a meltie of schizos you aren't ready to damage control). You can just say it out loud, it's OK.
>>4144894Your equally faggy, troon Your just men with fetishes
Where's the newsletter you dumb mutt
>>4144881I will also reply to this bait post.
>>4144901
>>4144898>My just menYellow and Blue my beloved
>>4144901There won't be one, Toby is still canonically "sleeping".He'll "wake up" in the Summer of 2027 just in time for the Nintendo Direct so he can bring the Chapter 6 release date trailer.
>>4144907>Nintendo partnershipDon't Japan laws on LGBT apply to media released over there?
>>4144908Why do you think the only LGBT thing that's outright confirmed is the existence of lesbians, something Japan has always had a soft spot for because girls kissing girls is not only hot, but also supports their NTR fetish (because there is no man involved, and he is likely off to the side sitting in the cuck chair rubbing his micropenis)?Remember, anything else is fandom hallucinations. There is no concrete proof any characters in Deltarune are nonbinary or trannies.
>>4144908nips have their own flavour of fagshit that they seem to generally 'accept' and can be seen in media with relatively little upsetit's different from the judeo-american lgbt though, but on the surface a larper like toby might confuse the two and push outright troonism thinking he's in good company
>>4144839>>4144852What the fuck i'm still confused lmao, our doomposting looks less deranger than wathever the fuck is going on there
>>4144913That's the thing I'm unsure of. Unlike homosexuality where cultural differences persist it seems like the trans shit is pushed by our world governances, and that includes Asia, see Bridget in GG for instance. Maybe Toby is NWO's agent for LGBT promotion in Japan?
>>4144915i know it's easy to forget, but you must understand that the absolute peak of deltarune discussion is here on 4chan and everywhere else is downstream of usso if it's bad here, just know that it's absolutely horrendous everywhere else
>>4144916maybe, as it's factual that all the pride events in japan are funded by groups like blackrock, isreal, who, etc with zero actually japanese companies or groups pushing for it
>>4144920And we know Robert is pro-Israel, seeing as how he donated to BLM, which is just a front for gathering money to fund Islamic Terrorism.
>>4144920I also heard that they were big flops, like under 2,000 attendances lol
A good theory video is out.https://youtu.be/elkeWGfcAiE
>>4144922none of them were actually japanese either jej
>>4144908Nintendo also loves gay shit.
>>4144923Is that Halfbread? I'll watch this one, one of the few youtube theorists I respect.
>>4144925Miyamoto doesn't
>>4144915The fandom has always sperged out over the sexualization of the humans, that's all there is to it.
>>4144929Which, of course, is retroactive shame for 2016 Undertale fandom, because now there's all a whole bunch of "ick" over the fact that fangirls self-inserted as Frisk, made Frisk into a big-tiddy adult, and then shipped her with Sans, bonus points if Frisk knew Sans from childhood which gives the whole thing groomer vibes.
>>4144925*nintendo of america loves gay shit not the same thing
>>4144931Just like how troons nowadays push for super feminine Kris because certain fans made Kris into a straight gigachad when shipping Krusie and Kriselle, nu-age fans push for hyper masculine Frisk to fight that oooohhhh sooooooo horrible era, which is why all of them push for dumb shit like Flowery!Frisk.
>>4144923This is needlessly complicated. Just say the statue is a depthner, like the Titan, born out of Susie's fear. There, 13 minutes saved.
>You held the crystal up to your eye.>For some strange reason, for just a brief moment...>You thought you saw the newsletter.>...but, it must've just been your imagination.
>>4144931>fangirls>girls
>>4144947I'm talking about 2016 fandom. So yes, girls. There were a LOT of teen girls who fell in love with Sans Undertale, declared him her husbando, and then got into fights with other girls who did the same thing. It was a whole thing.
>>4144947Women (real) are the ones who like Sans.
>>4144945Nah, it's cool. I came in with the same opinion, but the darkner and reflection analysis was fun. I never realized the study could be the glass case and I like the reflection argument.
>>4144923I can see Toby copying this and putting the ideas in the gamePeople are insane if they think he knows what the statue is himself
>>4144950It might be cool, but the game is already complex enough that I would prefer the writing to go for simplicity rather than aura
https://youtu.be/gsosm7ftzB0So, verdict on this video? Was this Toby's dream?
>>4144966Its some cringe the amazing grooming circus shite
>>4144966Its interesting but not what Toby has in mind. Yandere Noelle will be a aborted 5 thing... probably...
>>4144966Noelle and Kris get used up so it's good even if too meta.
>>4144970
>>4144959Toby doesn't watch theory videos though
>>4144975
>>4144977
>>4144978
>>4144980
>>4144980They look like the Joker
>>4144981
>>4144983
>>4144966People are getting too hung up on the sprite sheet idea. It was kind of novel at first but there's nothing thematically interesting about it. It always boils down to >kris and noelle walk around a void with sprites in it (don't ask about how they got here)>noelle says "waow we are in a video game isn't that cuh-raaaazy?">and then friend jumps out BOOGITY BOOGITY BOO!
>>4144985
>>4144985Dude this is cute and all but we're in a 300 image limit thread you know
>>4144988
>>4144987To be fair I do think the game will go all in on the meta shit, just not in that wayLike it keeps hammering home that DELTARUNE is HIS creation. Hmmm wonder what that means?
>>4144990SPARTA
>>4144990
>>4144995
>>4144997End
>>4144907THE DOG WILL SLEEP FOR THE OTHER 100 YEARS>>4144998What is art? What is a being? What is it to be nothing at all? An inanimate object, is it?The interactions one has develop their character. The things that are done develop their person. The people they love develop their psyche.In the end, to leave the mark is to give it life. Regardless of your interpretation, to imagine and love this clay thing, to want to mold it, to want to shape it to how it should be,It is still giving it life.You are not a bad person for wanting it to live.And if you are afraid it will not be what it wishes to be, and originally was,It is still clay.
>1 (one) clarification>short>no WRThanks a lot Toby, I’m really excited for the next chapter
>>4145000...Is Noelle going to fuck hero_sword?
>>4144985I do this to Kris.>>4144987I hated the spritesheetslop way before anyone else but now that there's a version where the duo gets USED UP suddenly everyone else starts hating it. I see how it is.
>>4145002It's her onahole
>>4145002Would you blame her?If you pulled your favorite character directly out of your favorite video game and were able to hold it in your hands, wouldn't you?
>>4144966One of the cringiest shits Ive ever seenThanks
>>4145011How is this any cringier than the actual game?
>>4144966>>4145011>BRO WE ARE INSIDE A VIDEOGAME ASHDOHASIODASODHNFUDPHSFAFAAt least when SoE did it it was funnyI really hope the ending is not anything like that
>>4145012Pretty bad art and mischaracterization of Noelle.
>>4145003Alas a big chunk of people who play Side B are into it because of Kriselle.
>>4145016Who's more mislead, the Krisellefags or the people who just want Noelle to be happy?
>>4145017Krisellefags because Noelle will probably get to be happy in the best ending for Side A.
>>4145017Krisellefags, because at least Noelle has a chance of reaching psychotic happiness in 7B before she's killed, and obviously in Golden Ending she'll be happy as can be but genuinely because suddenly all of her problems are magically fix and/or she's allowed to heal now because the narrative no longer needs her to be suffering to fuel Kris's own motivations.
>>4144884Obsessed
>>4145017Krisellefags because Krisellefags are incapable of imagining any scenario where Noelle is happy that doesn't involve Kriselle.
What do we think of Spookydood's long awaited Rudyknight video? I think he's trying to make the theory sound like it sucks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HwWT0UQj0
>>4145019>>4145021>happiness So, is it okay to be mind raped by the prophecy? Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. Noelle doesn't want this relationship in WR when she realized what was happening.
>>4145021Noelle's problems:>No Dess>Dead dad>Bitch mom>Girlfriend is a loser>Best friend is sushi, cold fishIf maybe 3 of the 5 can be fixed in the golden ending, that'd be great and the mislead noelle-happinessfaggots will be eating crow for choosing the weird route.>>4145024The weird route is unfortunate because it reveals Noelle would never be able to be happy regardless of what we, Kris, or Susie does. In the main route, she's asleep, but at least it's a "good dream". Until, you know, dead dad. She's probably going to wake up in the main route regardless of if the weird route was played.I'm in the camp that this fucking idiot can be enlightened somewhere else than the weird or normal route>>4145028to put it the same way as a certain skeleton,>yeah, you're the type of person that can NEVER be happy
>>4145028The prophecy isn't a mind control device. It's metanarrative that acknowledges that the story is set in stone because it's a videogame with a story, and a story must have key parts that play out in order to function as a story.
>>4145032OK, what we're talking about is how Noelle would react to finding out that her relationship with Susie, which she pursued in part because Susie was a new variable who could finally give her the confidence to stand up for herself and change things around, is preordained by a restrictive prophecy. Noelle as of now doesn't know that a metanarrative exists because she isn't (that) meta aware. Try to keep up.
>>4145001>no shadow crystals>no eggs>no quirky memorable darkners>no smilesI wanna believe there will be SOMETHING that will justify chapter 6 being a solo release, but let's not forget he thought there was nothing wrong with>oh Kris... that horrible day...
Do people seriously think Side A will have a happy ending? The game keeps banging your head with the idea that shit is doomed, its why Ralsei is so emotionally all over the place because he knows vaguely what will happen.The knight fight for example is so devastating because he sees the potential for things to change get snuffed out right in front of his eyes.
>>4145042Yeah the entire point of the shadow crystals and Eggs is to have a better ending.Whatever ending Side A has is definitely going to be better than the SUPER HELL CHANT SOUL BECOMES SENTIENT AND KILLS EVERYONE Route.
>>4145031I can't be happy when I'm being brainwashed, sorry. And Noelle clearly didn't like it either, since she was seething throughout the entire lake scene in the aborted WR. So, when she's free from the prophecy's influence, Noelle doesn't actually want Suselle. Suselle = rape.
>>4145042Side B is ALSO misery porn, it's just "slightly better" if we take the Cage Comparisons as fact. The whole point is that you're following one of two predetermined paths, and that you'll need to do both before Gaster realizes that you can't possibly create a new future like this, so he tweaks HIS DELTARUNE just a little to open up a truly unknown path for you, in hopes that something off-track, with someone of your expertise, can successfully create a new future.
>>4145042Back in the day I thought the ending was just going to be some Space Odyssey-esque trippy nonsense, but now I think it will be one gigantic humiliation ritual for people expecting another "Everyone is in the surface and living happily ever after".
>>4145042They're expecting the normal route (with shadow crystal/egg variables) to have a happy ending because of true pacifist, and because most people hate the idea of the manipulation and murder route (even if a partial third route exists) being the only way to give these characters a happy ending.
>>4145039>Dreaming, sleeping>Toby's fever dream happened around 16 years back.>Touhou Concealed the Conclusion, a fangame about the main character dreaming the entire world into existence came out 13 years ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zphrWpK3fuc>Noelle is wearing white in the dark worldspoopy
>>4145047>if we take the Cage Comparisons as factThat coming from a fuck ass pippins shouldn't make us suspicious about what "a bit better" really means?
>Deltarune will pull an Everhood and you actually HAVE to genocides everyone to free them from the rigid hell of Deltarune, and that's the only way they can be happy
>>4145049Really embarassing that Toby, now approaching 35 years old, would make an edgier game as an adult than as a young adult of 23.
The simple fact is, Toby is not subversive enough to make the weird route actually end up having a good ending.
>>4145055embarrassingly based
>>4145053At least Everhood (like 5 or 6 hours long) didn't bore me with badly done comedy and even sloppier romance
>>4145057go back to /vg/ where you belong
>>4145063we will have our tl;dr, eat shit faggots-runeand everyone will fucking clap
>>4145047My personal guess is that its going to be something like>Susie causes dark world third impact and is the creator of the timeloop After the final tragedy. If she can't unfuck the situation then having her hero moment be repeated for all eternity would be the next best solution.>>4145050I just don't see it, the shadow crystals have a purpose of course but it being a GOLDEN-style ending like in UT pacifist goes against the game's themes and invalidates the point of Side B. Not saying a third route is impossible, just that it won't be>EVERYONE IS HAPPY CONGRATS UOOOH TRUE PACIFIST!!!The path inbetween that gerson yaps about being possible because you kill a kid and then stop for example would fit. You didn't go too far, but you still did something horrible as a compromise.
>>4145068It wouldn't invalidate side B, it would just paint it in the same light as the genocide route of UT. It would stink, but it would still be a possibility if Toby wants his magnum opus to just be stinky.Secondarily, Spamton says "You went too far". So far, Spamton has been a better schizoprophet than Gerson. Gerson is a hopefag ala Komaeda from danganronpa, just wanting everything to end up in the best possible scenario for heroics and story rather than the "best possible ending".
>>4145051CtC is from 2006, don't take Flandre's upload dates for granted.
>>4145058Man these threads are rancid, but pretending Everhood didn't objectively suck dick is a new low.
>>4145070>20 years ago>This places it almost squarely on high school Toby's fever dream era
>>41450731 is good. I never played 2 and from what I heard of it I don't intend to.
>>4145019>Noelle will be happy in normal routeThis cope gets worse and worse with every chapter that comes out and has finally reached such a nuclear level of meltdown that I can only imagine anyone who says this in full seriousness is made entirely of cope at this point.
>>4145074Speaking of Touhou, I read an Eram and Friend theory earlier and I got the following idea: Friend is Chen, Eram is Ran, Gaster is Yukari.
>>4145070>>4145074It's important to note that CtC got an English fan translation in mid-2012, meaning Toby wouldn't have been filtered by a lack of fluent understanding of the language.
>>4145069>So far, Spamton has been a better schizoprophet than GersonIt's funny. Everything Gerson said about chapter 5 was wrong in some way. And he barely said anything more about the future of the story. Even what he said about "irony" was instantly proven wrong. We also have MANTLE being very weird and seemingly contradictory to the actual Weird Route. And Pink only retreaded or reinforced things we had already known for a long time.Meanwhile almost everything Spamton said is relevant despite how insane he sounds. We keep finding more Spamton applicability every time we return to him. And Jevil is being shown to be a true knower since the "hell roars bubbles from the depths" thing. Even fucking Battat is showing himself to be a knower with how he referenced FRIEND lore BEFORE Pink did.
>>4145079Forgot pic
>>4145068The Path in-between Is the Forgotten Man.
>>4145080Toby wasn't fluent not even in 2018. He was just a normal weeb before that.
>>4145083>deltarune is overtly trying to build up nowhere as an important thing>twisted fags think gerson was talking about themlmao
>>4145080I've read in Toby interviews that he bought Touhou 7 from browsing Japanese web and finding ZUN's website himself and not at all from finding free illegal downloads from English fan websited and since the man is admired for his honesty I take him at his word.
>>4145040Still betting on either the sjellter or a Seam fight>>4145042It's going to end the same way mother 3 ended won't it with the roaring then a non ending where "everyone's is doing fine now" in a black screen. That or ntred out of an ending or time loop via Susie
>>4145012It's bad because Kris and Noelle die now despite this being mad by the guy that started the trend.
>>4145015>bad artIt's just the sprites from the game
>>4145091I don't understand the seethe. There even was the long promised Kriselle scene. It's honestly more than what I expect from Toby.
>>4145092did i fucking stutter?
>>4145016Alas all these people are misled as weird isn't the Kriselle route.>>4145017All thread schizos are Krisellefags, so them.
>>4145092Exactly. Ten people worked on those and they still look like shit.
>>4144921Shut the actual fuck up
>>4145095I can say Kriselle plays a big role in the Route, but they're not the "protagonist" of it.
>>4145080HUH
>>4145081>Even what he said about "irony" was instantly proven wrong. We also have MANTLE being very weird and seemingly contradictory to the actual Weird RouteHonestly I don't even believe board 3 is related to the weird route due to board 1 not relating to it at all
>>4145027I hate him since the woodyshit so I don't care.
>>4145103Everything Yuyuko is saying here is reflected in the weird route.
>>4145103Guess there's one more game to add to the long list of games that inspired Tony
>>4145103>>4145106>Ash-Veil Lane was once again proven correct about Deltarune
>>4145042Deltarune is too hopecore for a despair ending.
>>4145108Who?
>>4145050>because most people hate the idea of the manipulation and murder route (even if a partial third route exists) being the only way to give these characters a happy ending.Toby is part of this group himself lol
>>4145103Fucking Japanese doujin creators man, ruining my Dragon Quest games since 2006.
>>4145104MANTLE might be on a "the fandom completely misunderstood what it was about" tier like old secret boss predictions.Mantle 1 was mainly about the past, about Kris getting lost in the forest, for example.The normal Legend of Tenna meanwhile has several actual references to the weird route like the dialogue about roses or the shell thing or references about crossing the lake.
>>4145081>And he barely said anything more about the future of the story.Gerson basically said the story was never finished, that the author was consumed by his own story and that the youth needs to finish the work, which is accurate to Gaster and us.
>>4145109Is it, though? That's not the vibe I have been getting for the last 3 chapters.
>>4145007>If you pulled your favorite character directly out of your favorite video game and were able to hold it in your hands, wouldn't you?Noelle's favorite is Susie.
>>4145117>the youth Imagine giving away your story to zoomer trannies, how cucked must Toby feel to even do that
>>4145109Hope is important BUT if the super immutable unchanging prophecy told through time and space that can't ever ever change actually changes it needs to be through very epically special conditions and not just breaking the 4th wall through the power of hopes and dreams and determination alone. Otherwise the game would weaken its premises
>>4145093As a true spritesheet hater I actually thought it was the best version of it. A short prelude to the actual meat of 7B that ends off Kris and Noelle in a good albeit tragic note.
>>4145114>kris really wants to home town massacre everyoneBoy guess he really is an anti kriselle 7B fag
>>4145120HERO_AXE is for the TREEMAN
>>4145103Isn't this just Link's Awakening?
>>4145126The Undertale anniversary lumberjack?
>>4145127yes pretty much
>>4145110It's a series of Deltarune videos from 2024, an alternate take on the game using what was there in the Chapter 1-2 era.It has similar themes of "all of this is just an illusion made up by the mind of the protagonist", and also notably featured an episode where Kris walks into the lake as reality falls apart and he's consumed by darkness, very close to what ACTUALLY happened in Weird Route Chapter 5.
>>4145123Friendship will save the day, who cares.
>>4145119The chapters literally nobody died and your hope blew away all the darkness?
>>4145127*Super Mario Bros USA
>>4145110>>4145130It was not an alternate take. It was an ARG using Deltarune which got a sequel about aliens recently.
>>4145127>You can never defeat us!!! Let's rumble!Shit Eram will be the final boss
>>4145135took you long enough?
>>4145131Friendship failed to save the day in Chapter 5. Flowery had the power of friendship and couldn't win. One the whole points of the chapter is believing in yourself is important independently of changing fate or not.
>>4145095>All thread schizos are KrisellefagsProbably 90% of the people here are krisellefags.
>>4145135ERAM and the SWORD_ROUTE is pretty much a 1:1 on Link's awakening.
>>4145133*The Wizard of Oz
I gotta say, starting as a rescapee in the middle of the sea finding an island is way more badass than starting as a kid going to school with your mom
>>4145137Flowery and his friends weren't the protagonists. We have Susie.
>>4145137Flowery had friendship, but he didn't have DETERMINATION, nor did he have the favor of the narrative.We have DETERMINATION, but it wasn't enough to beat Knight either, because we lacked friendship and the narrative's favor.The only way to beat Knight is to have friendship, DETERMINATION, and narrative bias.
I'm the Vessel and I remember youre Hometown Massacres.
>>4145138>4chan can't help themselves when it comes to childhood friend stories>>4145146Joke's on you, I made you bald!
>>4145138>everyone invested in a ship denied by canon itselfch5 shadow crystal was yours lmao
>>4145145So there no point in trying and time is the only factor that mattersThats not an adventure
>>4145147chilhood friends never win.
>>4145143I wanna shoot Susie, she is a traitor and a retard who's brain just keeps shrinking
>>4145151In SFB they do
>>4145150By this logic, your precious Dragon Quest is guilty of this too, because not being able to immediately storm the final boss's lair to kill him means the game is wasting your time for no reason other than to spite you.
>>4145147>Bald faceless human that kills peopleDude you made Slenderman.
7b will be a better ending for Kris since they'll live even in a miserable state compared to killing himself in ending of chapter 6
>>4145154Dq has the dignity to release on time, complete, to make it possible le to get it all done in a single sittingAnd didn't directly acknowledge that it was stalling
>>4145138former krisellefag hereI gave up on the ship since the new chapters showed me how much both are little shitsnow I just ship random side characters instead
>>4145153This isn't SFB. >b-but the parral-Is Noelle trying to speedrun the plot as the world cannibalizes itself?Is Kris happier when his childhood friend is more implicated in the scenario?Do you think it'll still be lovey dovey if they kill the Dragon?
>>4145160>on timelolYou can't be serious with this
>>4145163Deltarune is stalling.
>>4145122>>4145117>The youth will inherit the storyWe do have the fangame thread at least
>>4145160>dignity to release on timeNo such thing happening with Dragon Quest 12.>completeNo such thing when a definitive edition with new content will release not too long after, just like 11.>possible to get it all done in a single sittingHasn't been possible in many games unless you literally do not stop playing for days on end, not even for bathroom or sleep breaks.>didn't acknowledge it was stallingIt did in DQ5 when Hero and Wife were turned to stone and you were forced to sit there and watch years pass, helpless and cucked and raped.
>>4145138Doesn't change my point.
>>4145137Undying had friendship in genocide and still lost, friendship is not strong in this series versus determination.
>>4145165Sex with all of them, now.also since you are from the fangames thread aren't you concerned about the pace you are spamming images at
>>4145167You're a schizo who's obsessed with schizos.
>>4145147Making it bald just turns it into an ugly bastard, fool.
>>4145162>Canonically Noelle may actually get off on killing her friends>Then we get to kill SusieAnon I don't think Noelle will be able to keep herself coherent enough for a T-rating after that
>>4145165>The thread that is even more raped than usLol, lmao even.
I'm just confused by ships.If it was just Suselle, I'd ignore it and focus on the Dark Worlds adventures (that's what I signed for) but the world keep throwing bones towards Krisellefags, juuuuust enough to keep them in limbo.Why? Now instead of yet another boring and unremarkable lesbian relationship, we get a love triangle where someone WILL lose (and then the couple will shatter thanks to the Prophecy).Toby was all about "I hope you can be friends with everyone" but then he makes sure someone gets hurt. I don't get it at all.
>>4145166All the stops you pull out when I bring up that chapter 4 was a waste of time and you could stand outside noelles house for a few minutes and nothing would actually change
>>4145171>concernsNot really since the deltarune main threads have a higher turnover.That, and it encourages someone to take the ceremonial Janny-hopping plunge on /v/
>>4145159>they'll live*you were used up
>>4145175Rape builds character
>>4145178I will not use the other shitty threads, be warned. We should devise a plan for if we get a global site ban.
>>4145176Toby loves shipbaiting to encourage fan content, even though nowadays fan content is verboten unless it's canon-compliant Tobycore or "Kriselle but oh my god look at how EVIL and TWISTED you are for making this HAPPEN, PLAYER".
>>4145171>spoilerBuddy they're the main shitposters here, why would they care?>>4141716>>4141723
>>4145179Yea they were in chapter 5 like how Noelle was in chapter 4
>>4145165I like those furfag designs. Their names are generic as fuck though
>>4145176>I don't get it at all.Toby has an NTR fetish
>>4145176It becomes clearer if you look at this as "Deltarune: the money scheme", rather than "Deltarune: the game".
>>4145187Cool he doesn't have to share
>>4145172Okay, GPT
>>4145186>>4145165IT'S HALLOW'S EVE!WHERE'S THE EVE HALLOWS ART?!
>>4145182Or "what if [character] was trans"
>>4145189He still hasn't answered the question of why he starting selling merch for a demo, not even two weeks after that demo came out.
>>4145189Deltarune has to be the fucking worst money scheme ever to set arbitrary "NO MERCH OF 3/4s OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS" rules
>>4145197>Skip
>>4145176You know there are reasons to like these characters other than shipping right
>>4145203There really isn't because everything is being kept behind vagueposting and "do not open until Chapter 7", and both Noelle and Ralsei have shown us we don't ACTUALLY know these characters to like them, we only like their facades and fractions of a whole picture.At any given moment, anyone could be outed with some mindblowing reveal that recontextualizes their entire character, and it WILL happen.
>>4145199That too, is part of the money scheme.Have a shitty Pippins plushie instead.
>>4145203What are the reasons to like Susie?
>>4145162Also you don't name Noelle.Also also she's not aware of the Player nor is she in love with them.
>>4145206>I get to dunk the pippin in green dye and soak it in milkYes
>>4145203I do like them. This is why the whole setup feels unfair for everyone involved.
I wish I could name the 4 main characters
>>4145209There's a reason they made it anal plug shaped instead of hexagonal
>>4145203Shiptards don't even like Deltarune, bro.
>>4145210I don't Susie is an obnoxious stupid bitch
>>4145211Is your memory so bad you forgot them already?
>>4145211Susie, Susie, Susie and her dad Gaster.
>>4145211KristineSusannaRalsexNaelle
>>4145211#NotMyFriskIssueAsrielSiscon
>>4145216Hand on Dragon Quest, you lose the offending hand.
>>4145211Noelle, Noelle's hoho ho, Noelle's [side-chick], The Ghost of Christmas Past
had a weird dream with toby fox in it.he didn't rape me, the weirdest part of it all...
>>4145213True! True Deltarune fans support Suselle!
>>4145211StarwalkerMERoulx KardRape
>>4145205Noelle's self in the Normal route and through every moment until the lake scene isn't a lie. She likes Susie. She's a flawed but nice person dealing with issues and she's funny and awkward all the same and doesn't hate everyone around herYou're taking Noelle's psychotic breakdown at face value and discrediting every piece of information previously given to you
>>4145211BattatJonglerPlueyMike
>>4145211nubertstarwalkeraquamike
>>4145226I'm not saying she secretly hates everyone, I am saying a lot of what we see from Noelle is just a social mask, or she's actively dissociating in a given moment while her body runs on the autopilot it learned how to use to survive those social situations.
>>4145227I like how there's 3 mikes and maybe a 4th, photorealistic mic that you have to walk to the right off the side of the level to reveal it as a photorealistic version of what it represents...wait
>>4145222Were you the one raping him in revenge?
>>4145230would yuo a photorealistic noelle
>>4145230The 3 Mikes and hyperrealistic Mike are a reference to the fun gang and the Soul.
>>4145229There is no reason to discredit our journey with these characters just because we don't know everything about them, we know a lot.
>>4145230I remember a meme that was about Kris going to the lake and a black realistic deer coming out of it.It was from before chapter 5, can't find it anymore.
>>4145211CharaAsrielSuzyNoelle
>>4145235Teenage parent Kris...
If Toby really cared about the Spamton foreshadowing bit not being interpreted correctly all he could have done was patch that dialogue out of the game or replace it with "Tenna..." or something.Just like he did in Chapter 4 with the rose or in Chapter 5 with the sad aborted Noelle sprite. But no, we had to have a Umineko rage bit.
>>4145224>Anyone who shittalks shiptards is a SuselletardProving my point.
>>4145238How would Hometown reacts if Noelle was pregnant with Kris' child?
>>4145234>our journey
>>4145231no!!!!!!!!!!!we just hung out and made really corny jokesi think i told him to eat more soups made with bones and stuff for his wrist health. 'a diet of fish and eggs is fine for protein but fish and egg's don't have arms' was my logic.
>>4145242
>>4145242They would be happy they can finally reverse their demographic crisis
>>4145244And then you asked him if he needed help jerking off, correct?
>>4145242>Toriel drinking late at night, wondering where she failed as a parent >Asgore trying to give tips to Kris >Carol checking one box in her conspiracy board.>Susie alternating between playing the cool aunt persona early and fearing being left out>Ralsei not caring because Prophecy will abort it or something
Another thread gone.
>Deltarune threads still being deleted on /v/ because no newsletter It's over...
>>4145246I wonder if Tobert ever considered that or if he's too much of a faggot to understand
while you wait for the potential newsletter I'll be playing a better game (survey program original release) to celebrate this day
>>4145242I'm wondering if motherhood would fix Noelle's psyche.
>>4145246>>4145253>hometown youth gets gayer and gayer with every new generationthat's something huh
>>4145254Based, it all went downhill after chapter 2.
>>4145255Noelle would kill the baby instantly and decorate herself with its organs
>>4145255Either way Kris has no serious contenders at school so he can just ditch Noelle for Susie if it turns bad
>>4145255Holding what amounts to being a blank slate in your arms while having someone to talk to about your insecurities tends to help with existential psychological issues, yes
He won.
>>4145248no!!!!!!!!my boyfriend would get jealous if i cheated on him in a dream
>>4145261He was filled with a certain power...
>>4145262You're from /vg/ arent you.I can smell the /vg/ cumwhore energy you project through my screen.
>>4145258Only WR Noelle is psychotic. Normal Noelle is just a bit sheltered and miss her sister during downtime.
>>4145250>anon forgot rudymany such cases
>>4145266He died and Kris inherited the money and knight armor
little detail but there is something curious about monster kid and snowdraketheir chapter 4 shared glass bit is a pseudo-romantic thing, like a shipping baitmeanwhile they're completely absent in the festivalit's another thing that convinces me of the 4-5 swap
>>4145266He's gonna be dead before he ever learns about it, but we all know he'd be immensely proud and relieved.
>>4145264i never mentioned cum or jerking off, that is 100% on you. if you're smelling cum maybe you should consider checking your upper lip your dumb gorrila retard nigger, hope this helps.
>>4145266He'd crack jokes about how Kris cracked Noelle.
>there are foids in this threadYuck.
>>4145265Normal Noelle would eat a baby chick for the protein like an actual deer if there was one right in front of her. She would murder that defenseless baby as soon as she held its squishy, weak little grotesque hybrid body in her arms
>>4145238How would Hometown reacts if Kris was pregnant with Noelle' child?
>there is rape in this threadraped
>>4145272It's a fag schizo from /vg/ who constantly talks about hooking up with other anons
>>4145275Everyone is confused about the mechanics involved.Ralsei thinks it's a sign of the Roaring.
>>4145268Carol was investigating their disappearance, anon.They were kidnapped into the shelter after they decided to come back.
>>4145272That's what happens when your protagonist is a foid.
>>4145261At what cost thoughEvery day I look at /v/ it becomes deader and deader, at this rate it'll be a graveyard in a year or twoAlmost like punishing on-topic video games and promoting twitter screencap culture war shit is just good for bot farm and nothing else.
>>4145281Good. Let this be the end of the autism pot.
>>4145279that's not what I'm talking aboout
>>4145283Occam's razer says it's more feasible than an alternate reality swap
>>4145284dude that's still not what I'm talking aboutI'm talking about huge development rewrites that left awkward artifacts in the final productit's a doylist analysis not a watsonian one
>>4145242sans would crack a pun and give advice, catti would try to murder kris, rudy and carol congratulate kris
HOLY SHIT THE SURVEY PROGRAM (2018) WAS FORESHADOWING THE NAME OF THE HIT SONG FROM NOW ON (BATTLE 2) FROM THE HIT ALBUM DELTARUNE CHAPTER 3+4 SOUNDTRACK (2025)
>>4145290little town hero also did thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZREsjB5xoA
>>4145294Of course. Of course he stole that, too. What a fucking hack.
>>4145295anon he composed all of little town hero, he's a hack because he damn near 1:1 reused that song
>>4145298DON'T TRY TO SABOTAGE MY HATE BONER FOR TOBY I'M SO CLOSE
>>4145242How did a girl impregnate another one?
>>4145298My bad, that's still hackish but it's not ripping off a random rpg tier.Jesus, he's had these tracks in the works for 6 years. Maybe Chapter 5 is a result of him starting to get tired.
>>4145300Surely you have proof to back up that claim?(Hehe...another 100 free posts...)
>>4145300Soul magic.
>>4145277You don't even know your schizos, schizo.
>>4145300beautiful sapphic magic
>>4145279They're irrelevant and will appear in 6 like nothing happened.
Imagine being a well-respected member of the gaming sphere only to have to humiliate yourself in having to remix a song some kid made for a hack where he trolled people by calling them faggots and later reused for a game that sold more copies that you did with all your games your entire careerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtTCbUhNv84
>>4145308Humiliate?
>>4145307Green Pippins, of course, will have a new scathing fandom critique along the lines of "WHAT!? I can't go to the bathroom for FIVE MINUTES without someone thinking I was just... just taken away for no apparent reason!?!"
>>4145300Like this.
>>4145307They'll come back with Snowdrake pregnant just to throw a bone at Kriselle pregnancy people. Turns out they spent the whole festival making out.
>>4145300noelle is actually a twink called noel(s)he's about 10 inches, very respectable
>>4145310funny how THIS is something we can safely anticipate for chapter 6 instead of another shadow crystal or dark world location or that sort of stuff
>>4145314To be fair, we know the shadow crystal hunt is "over". All that remains is fusing them and the consequences.
>>4145314ch5 showed it's had too much with the contempt for the fanbase now we know we are guaranteed insults and zero sincerity
Pokémon music if it was made by Toby Fox:https://youtu.be/UX5zm1QpE0w
Yes. More negativity... More darkness within your hearts...!
Deltaruined
>>4145317>Pokémon music if it was made by Toby Fox:>not posting the theme made by Toby Fox???
>>4145300The vessel's true purpose is to inseminate both of them.
>>4145319Your eyes can't hide it, Anon. Without doom... the shitposting grows dull.
deltarune music if it was made by toby foxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxz6vpfmkcE
>>4145315Yeah, but because of how hard everything is being backloaded into Chapter 7, people genuinely doubt we'll get the Shadow Crystal payoff until then, because nothing's stopping Toby from making Disappointment Town find a way to contrive a reason that Seam can't give us our reward in Chapter 6 so that EVERYTHING in it is a disappointment now.
>>4145327watch out noelle be the one who fucks up castle town lmao
>>4145312Toby will NOT add M!Preg to his game this time
hmm
>>4145327Meh. I don't see the point in doomfagging.
>>4145331My dog tilts its head when it talks to me I can't believe my dog is the Knight
>>4145333wtf anon's dog is the knight?
>>4145331Noelle Knight is the only way Noelle can be used up but still be relevant.
>>4145332Because dooming is the best way to temper your expectations. By expecting the worst, you can't be disappointed when it actually happens, and if something better happens, you get to be pleasantly surprised.
>>4145335How about she just gets used up about halfway through 7B?
>>4145335I would argue the entity known as "Noelle" getting tired of being Noelle is another form of being used up.
>>4145336So your solution is to perpetually lives in the doomed timeline where everything went wrong AND ahead of time?Couldn't be me.I can be pleasantly surprised without being CoL.
>>4145338For the last fucking time stop treating the psychotic break of Noelle as her real self.
>>4145340*manic episode, not a psychotic breakit's a pretty big difference
>>4145340When that "psychotic break" has her explain that her normal behavior is a mask and she's always really felt like this but been unable to act on it, I'm inclined to believe that's the truth.
>>4145340The girl screeching about doing something crazy and thriving off of casting Snowgrave is not the true Noelle, I agree.The Noelle who's allowed to drop her smile, express genuine emotions beyond "corny nice girl" or manic bouts of megalomania, the Noelle who isn't wearing a mask, who isn't constantly dissociating from the years of unresolved and currently accumulating trauma she's endured in her life, yeah, that's the real Noelle.
>>4145340It recontextualized most of her behavior in a way that fits, including her inner contradictions.
>>4145345>The Noelle who's allowed to drop her smile, express genuine emotions beyond "corny nice girl" or manic bouts of megalomania, the Noelle who isn't wearing a mask, who isn't constantly dissociating from the years of unresolved and currently accumulating trauma she's endured in her life, yeah, that's the real Noelle.Reminder she does all that in Normal Route in a way healthier way than with Kris.
If Noelle is with Susie, or thinking about Susie, she is fake NoelleIf Noelle is with Kris, or thinking about Kris, she is real Noelle
>>4145347But she's still miserable because she feels trapped. Her life's on constant autopilot outside of very few bouts of new and novel experiences because she's been living in the same shithole town with the same shitty mother and the same predictable people, and once Rudy dies she's going to become unhealthily over-reliant on Susie to cope with the one big change she DOESN'T want to happen.
>>4145349Krisellefags final cope
>>4145350>and once Rudy dies she's going to become--Irrelevant. The Roaring is upon them.
>>4145340What, do you really want us to ignore "She finally smiled"?Noelle has been broken inside for a long time now. The lake, the drowning, Susie getting her feet wet, all of it is a pretty blunt metaphor for exploring the depths of what's broken with Noelle.To push it aside is to just treat her like a hollow character, same as the rest of the NPCs. That was her "purpose", but like a certain other angel, she doesn't want that purpose. She hates her very nature.Yes, it's difficult to come to terms with that, it may even be better never to explore it in the first place which is probably why Susie is carrying Noelle above the water, and why this is implied to be the "good route".Ignoring it will have consequences, but I don't know if Toby has the balls to let those consequences "in".
>>4145352The Roaring that will be averted, per what the prophecy told us, because the prophecy is the metanarrative reassuring us that, yes, the worlds will be saved, there's going to be misery but it's not going to be hopeless doom and gloom where everyone dies and gets raped forever.
>>4145344>character who's known to be an unreliable narrator having a breakdown means they are telling the objective truth and I should agree with what she says without question
>>4145357People are so desperate for confirmation about literally anything that they'll take ANY monologue at face value if it's not wrapped up in vaguepost, which is why you have an unironic subsect of people who believe Dess simply ran away from home or moved out when she became old enough for college.
>>4145357>character who's obviously putting up a front talks about the front>BUT SHE SOUNDS CRAZY GOTTA DISMISS EVERYTHING SHE SAYS
What's obviously going to happen is that Rudy's condition will be worsened, this will lead Noelle to create a dark world, Rudy will be there and there will be confrontation between her and the gang. Rudy with his last strength will eventually intervene, and will tell Noelle that they're her friends, that they shouldn't fight, and that she's strong and has proven herself that she can take control of her own life. Rudy will also tell Noelle that she needs to get railed by the homeless purple lizard right before passing away.I want to disembowel Toby Fox.
>>4145357>Unreliable narrator>When it's pretty obvious all evidence for this is specifically when she's with Susie.Heheheh HEH
>>4145356The Prophecy said that everything will go to shit first, THEN the we'll appear and restore the balance.
>>4145351This is the people that try to convince you that they aren't Susellefags people
>>4145363Ah no, that was a lie Ralsei concocted. The heroes appear before the final tragedy.
>>4145363Yeah, but saving the worlds implies there will be something worth saving. It's more than likely it'll be an "everything gets magically undone" or "it ends before it really starts" scenario, because otherwise it would take mere minutes for a gaggle of Titans to level Hometown and kill everyone. There wouldn't be anything worth sainvg then.
>>4145362>"I don't remember. I was a kid.">constantly thinks about her childhood with Dess and Kris, sharing with the latter if possibleI wonder why she seems to lie exclusively to Susie.
>>4145338Noelle being used up happens after the maze which is the lake skip, retard-kun
>>4145365Rals would never lie to us, bro. Nor would Kris!
>>4145365Not quite.>BUT LO, ON HOPES AND DREAMS THEY SEND. THREE HEROES AT THE WORLD'S END.Should the "if fountains freed" branch of the prophecy go down the fountains freed path, The Roaring starts, everything gets FUCKED, and only THEN when it's World's End (in the "world is ending" sense) will Three Heroes appear to seal the fountains, banish ANGEL's HEAVEN, and perform the Only One Way to save both worlds.
He could at least make a bluesky post.
>>4145349/v/...
>>4145081a fucking reminder the glitch Spamton is referring to here has still not been patched out
>>4145349Well, yeah? How else would you explain what happens to her in Chapter 4 WR? Suselle is literally part of the prophecy. WR helps Noelle open her eyes and free herself a little from the shackles of the prophecy. Toby should have made it so that the aborted WR in Chapter 4 led somewhere, because Noelle became herself without undergoing such a radical change as in the Chapter 5 WR. That's the perfect middle ground.
>>4145377There's so many things that haven't been patched out that the easier explanation is that Toby's team is incompetent.
>>4145377toby gave it a pass because it can be used as a speedrun strat or something
>>4145369She wants to live that lie at least, to stay in dreamland away from the reality of her situation.And also engage with paradoxical sister incest yurislop to repair the fuckhuge Dess-sized hole in her heart.
>>4145357Weird Route Noelle supports my headcanon Toby will pull a Mike with Suselle so everything she says is true.
>>4145377This isn't a reference but just a joke, and I think it was patched, too.
Noelle is evil and laughs at fat girls and loves killing nerds and will abandon her parents to go for a swim
>>4145380>>4145379The last patches were specifically mentioning "ironing out the rest of the glitches, we're gunna focus the rest of our energy on chapter 6". Which makes me wonder why.Chapter 2 has references to if the player glitches themselves out of bounds even. The music trio here are confused since Noelle isn't with Kris when she gets kidnapped by the Queen in her car.>>4145383No, the door glitch is still easy to do even now.The glitch to softlock yourself however in the car area I had to really try hard to repeat.
>>4145385Noelle is that weird kind of time traveller that went through so many loops her priority is no longer "prevent my dad from dying" but "get the human pussy and drown with them in the lake"
>>4145386The idea for glitching out here and going out of bounds was to go back and seperately get stronger with Kris by smacking things with the sword.Unfortunately, nothing happens and it's a legit softlock.
>>4145386>sell you bagels>say shit like moyzeljust now realizing the only characters i hate in this game are jews
>>4145365so ch1-6 were worthless
>>4145386I feel like that's just the default dialogue if you return there with Susie and Ralsei, no? I doubt glitches will actually be important.
I hate how they patched the double deal maker glitch at least I got 2 for the price of full price before it got removed
>>4145391If you didn't realize that by the time Ralsei and Flowery started arguing over game mechanics, then I'm sorry you're awake now.
>>4145391what, you believed toby when he said that some things matter more than the ending?how naive, the last half hour is the only part of the game that's actually going to matter
>>4145386>were specifically mentioning "ironing out the rest of the glitches, we're gunna focus the rest of our energy on chapter 6".Yes, and guess what? There's still a bunch of bugs in the game even after that pass. The team being incompetent is the simplest explanation here.
>>4145392Nope, they aren't even present there if you go with Susie and Ralsei, plus they still play the "Jingle Bells" after the dialog with Noelle kidnapped.They say,"Let's cheer up".Secondarily,The whole of the weird route in chapter 5 is Noelle MAKING YOU PERFORM A GLITCH THROUGH THE FUCKING BOUNDS OF THE WORLD, my main man.
>>4145395The only thing that matters is getting Shadow Crystals, but you aren't allowed to know how or why, or if they'll even get you a better ending or if they'll simply enable an even bigger misery porn ending.Eggs? Misery porn lore.All Recruits? Misery porn by making them all sacrifice and kill themselves while they aren't yet turned to stone during The Roaring, just for it to not even matter.7B? Misery porn route.Twisted Sword? Misery porn item.It's ALL misery porn.
>>4142952Sooooooooo............... where is the newsletter, OP???
>>4145400>Identifying Deer, by Kris Dreemurr>"Yes, it's a deer."
>>4145400There isn't one. Toby is still sleeping in this year, like how he didn't do shit to celebrate Undertale's 11th anniversary beyond a quirky typo. He also missed the window entirely because it's no longer Chapter 1's anniversary in Japan.
>>4145394>>4145395Hang this traitor. Anyone who says that an epic heroes journey in a fantasy world is a technical limitation came with bad intentions from the start.>>4142511
No Halloween newsletter, no summer newsletter, no chapter 6, deltarune is canceled guys. It finally happened, now I can go outside without being raped for 5 seconds, what joy
>>4145404It's not about the game, it's about the reindeer achieving gnosis.
>>4145377Isn't this just aborted weird route dialogue after you get the ring but don't freeze the chicken? Or is that a lore patch like Mew mew
Nothing > suselleslop newsletter
>>4145409It is, you specifically have to abort Weird Route after getting the Thorn Ring, then beat Spamton with fighting.
>>4145406>* (It's a sink.)>* (It would be ridiculous if you got raped and there was nowhere to wash your ass.)>* (You ran water over your ass, and dried it.)>* (Between your cheeks, a faint white crease glittered stubbornly.)>* (... You can never unrape it all away.)
>>4145409This is, yes. The fact Spamton mentions that you should buy two after you smack his shit is suspicious, and as we know,Everything Spamton ever says needs to be remembered as prophecy.But even so, if you do the glitch and talk to him with two rings, nothing changes.
>>4145413reminder we still don't know how he got the thorn ring
>>4145400OP here, Toby Fox personally raped and defeated me.
>>4145416Toby is Yujiro Hanma confirmed
>>4145398I meant actual glitches aren't important, Toby's games are held on duct tape.
toby fox is currently fucking a japanese aqua cosplayer while you got NOTHING today
>>4145413Yes that what i mean, is that dialogue in the original ch2 demo no patched?I know Toby patched the Spamton charge bugIt is weird that he has two
>>4145419I literally have grindr installed and could fuck anyone if I wanted to but this world is soulless and so is meeting normalfags to get a quick fuck, I do perfectly fine in isolation
>>4145419Toby would only fuck a cosplay of his sweet little chocolat
>>4145423fags will never understand what it is to be a straight man
Dragon Quest is better
>>4145426I may not understand but I see you suffering just as much as I am. Worse you guys are the most oppressed by the system in place by design, yet mass propaganda says it's the contrary and that you're the most priviledged.
>>4145433Canon
>>4145436dude you can very easily get a guy to fuck you or to be fucked by you any time you want if you live in a citythe most I can get is suffering through trying to land a chick then spending a long time in a relationship until she feels like having sex, or paying premium for some crack whore
>>4145438In case you guys didn't notice, Noelle is literally holding and kissing Kris's dead body.
>>4145441He's just sleeping, bro. She's waking him up.
>>4145441A kiss will wake him up.
>>4145439Immediate sex feels empty and you get a high chance of contacting AIDS. It's not the magic solution to your problems that you think it is.
>>4145444Real relationships aren't a cute romantic fanfic either, so how am I supposed to satiate my sex drive besides beating my meat?>It's not the magic solution to your problems that you think it is.Yeah, that would be winning the lottery.
>>4145446Personally I just eat eat eat until I feel full.Lottery is a scam I wouldn't recommend it, and money doesn't solve your inner problems.
>>4145444dont fuck a guy, chance of aids immediately goes down
>>4145406>no summer newsletterhuh?
Japs leaked the ending of Chapter 7.https://youtu.be/RKKyeY_0lnk
BOO
>>4145455>you just break the game
New Knight fangame is out.https://youtu.be/NcyKK1PxZHo
>>4145458Being together and blushing, that's the only thing suselle fanart ever depicts
To be honest it is surprising that he has not said anything at all, his last post on bluesky was almost a month ago. He really has nothing to say?
>>4145460>Suselle Knight fightI think I'm gonna puke
>>4145462Meanwhile Kriselle art is the most depressing shit possible or just reminiscing on when Kris and Noelle were happy kids and not suicidal yet.
>>4145464i think he shit his pants with the reception to ch5 and getting bullied for the emergency cope patch, along with the dismal summer newsletter for as raped as we are, i think this is the first time since he 'got big' where he's gotten any amount of negative reception in serious quantities he's probably spooked
>>4145464The fact that people were somewhat critical of chapter 5 probably spook him out.
>>4145464spook
>>4145468goodhe should be spookedthere are gonna be spooks after him for the rest of his life, the ones he created himself
STOP TALKING ABOUT SPOOKY STUFF
>>4145473but anon, it's halloween!you're supposed to be spooky
FUCK THE JANNY
>>4145467>the most depressing shit in question
>>4145477ohh anon...that horrible kriselle...ohh...the writing... ooh the kriselle writing...it's too much...i can't take it...
>>4145480What is this? A .jpg for ants?! It needs to be at least 3 times as big!
>>4145481>>4145480It's a very distant picture
>>4145464don't agree with what the other replies are saying since it feels kinda ridiculous to imagine a man like him would get scared over some criticism. if he was, he would've gotten spooked over CH3 being shat on by plenty of people (although you can argue that maybe he'd expected it, considering how the blogpost about it's development was like)
>>4145464The real answer is that he just doesn't have much to offer because he's too busy backloading LITERALLY everything into Chapter 7, the hype cycle included, and he doesn't really regard Chapter 1's anniversary with as much reverence as Undertale's either.
>>4145483ch3's reception was balanced out by ch4'sit was also nowhere near as divisive as ch5's
>>4145483>man like himJust because he said he doesn't care about other people's opinions doesn't mean he was telling the truth. He cucked out when Yiik flopped.We may be the raped but Toby is the spooked
>>4145481ok hows this for big
>>4145489Why is a black snake coming out of Kris's vagina?
>>4145492thats draculahappy halloweenus
>>4145487>Just because he said he doesn't care about other people's opinions doesn't mean he was telling the truth.I don't deny that he does, because those who don't are more of an outlier than anything else. Just disagree that he's gotten spooked over it>>4145489ik i should be focusing on his cock but why is he so gray. makes him look less white and more like a pale corpse
>>4145494>a pale corpseI mean, isn't that exactly what Kris is?
>>4145492Go dilate somewhere else troon
>>4145495No? Kris is very much alive. They have emotions and can still eat, so their body is still functioning.
>>4145499sorry chuddythis is a femkris website 100% born-a-girl femkris to be exact
>>4145502Then why is Kris dressed like a knight
>>4145499>you are a troon if you like tomboysThe world is crazy
link but white
>>4145509>link but whiteso link then
>>4145509but link is white
>>4145507why was jeanne? kris has a task to fulfill, and if i'm being honest, wearing only greaves, gauntlets, and a chestpiece over a leotard is hardly what i would call proper knightly attire
I wonder if I'll ever be able to enjoy Tenna. TV was already replaced when I was a kid, and I didn't play Link's Oracles of Seasons either. Rest of the game is banger though.
Kris
Deltarune yesterday
Christmas for sure, right?
>>4145543lol, lmao even
>>4145543
>>4145483>he would've gotten spooked over CH3 being shat on by plenty of peopleSpeaking as someone who got raped into oblivion by chapter 3, I'm pretty sure the mainstream reaction was very much positive at the time.Chapter 5 on the other hand pissed off the people who liked 3+4, so he is reaching a point no one will be happy with the game.
Well, I've done it. Survey Program completed, single door in the library, ugly Noelle and no shadow crystal in sight.I wish I could love what came after as much as I did for it.
>>4145572But then you'd cry less and I'd be less erect?
>>4145572And now a few thoughts about some things I noticed:>* (The hardboiled egg emanates a feeling of pity towards you.)>* Hey, you two didn't mess with my hideout, did ya?>* I wonder if "hideout" might be overselling it a bit?>* Nah, I took a nap in there so it's basically my house now.Well, I guess some things REALLY were planned out from the start.>* We are the three Former Kings!>* We beg you, free us!>* Once, all four of us ruled together, but when the Knight arrived, everything changed...And I guess some things REALLY were retcons.
>>4145572Oh well, it's been some crazy 8 years since then.I'm not gonna touch the game for the rest of the year now.
>>4145575>Well, I guess some things REALLY were planned out from the start.No they weren't. Toby caved to the ghost writers and got high on fame and betrayed and rape me specifically;
>>4145575it really is amazing how many people just accepted the retcon that only jevil ever saw the knight in card kingdomking was 100% supposed to have gotten orders directly from the knight in survey_program/ ch1, but toby changed his mind about that for whatever reason in ch4i assume it's because that would give away the plot when the knight comes to castle town in ch6 and king recognizes them
>>4145579My issue isn't that people accepted the retcon, is that people DENY the retcon happened despite the Knight personally entering there and putting King in charge being the most obvious interpretation from all the dialogue there or details like the thrashed throne room.I bet some of those people are reading this thread right now!
A funny detail I've noticed is that no one ever calls the chapters by their canon names. It's either the number or the dark world location.
>>4145579Having the villains take orders from a big bad is a technical limitation, haven't you heard? That's why he changed it.
>>4145584The fandom likes its own names and headcanons and versions of characters than anything actually canon
>>4145211>Frisk from UT but we're too scared to call this a proper sequel so just pretend he's someone else K?>Dykosaur 2: Now with bisexual support! Prank your obviously attracted male friend in this cool way!>cardboard cut out of your brother>fucking useless
>>4145584because the chapter names are either clunky or too generic to be proper names'the beginning''a cyber's world''late night''prophecy''festival day'they're titles of chapters in a generic novel, with the exception of ch2's, which is probably what toby was going for but that doesn't stop them from being lametoby fancies himself too much as a classic nipponese dev, methinks
>>4145575>>4145579Vague enough that they weren't really hard retcons.>>4145580>but my personal interpretation!Oh so it's about your ego, huh?
>>4145584>>4145597Doesn't help you have the big fat fucking >CHAPTER Xon your screen below the logo when ever you launch it instead of the actual title
>>4145579King didn't need any motive other than suddenly being able to act on his own after being the unfavored one for however many years he experienced in the unused classroom. Involving the Knight in anything other than creating the dark world is overcomplicating the plot.
>>4145598>vaguethere's that word again!that's all deltarune ever is and all toby intends it to be, he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants because the story is so vague that anything and everything both has and hasn't happened until he says so, which won't be until the end of ch7 if we're lucky it's schrodinger's cat with an idiot plot
Crazy how chapter 2 still hasn't been topped
>>4145602Or perhaps he intended the obvious reading to be wrong in a calculated way that isn't a personal attack on the player.
>>4145602>4! there's that number again!Well the conversation was about 2+2, so yeah.
guess what guys>* Oh my!>* The Great Door is opened?!>* No wonder Lancer was able to come through...yet another mystery that has not been touched upon for a long time!
>>4145603as a chapter 1 fag, it saddens me how not a single other chapter after 2 attempted to reach the same scope and heights, and now it won't ever happen again
>>4145604if the plot is supposed to be a mystery, he's doing a shit job about it because of all the vagueposting all of the characters know shit we don't and refuse to elaborate on then when they should for the sole purpose of obfuscating the player
>>4145611Is it impossible that you're not supposed to be able to guess where it's going not because it's "a mystery" but because there are some mysterious elements?
>>4145612Them the least you can do is tell me something of value and treat me like you'll die if I don't save your world.
>>4145612i would accept the mystery if deltarune was supposed to be a mystery gamei don't get upset at danganronpa for leaving the big twist until the end, because it's upfront about being a mystery and, most importantly, you learn shit WITH the protagonist instead of them learning/ doing things without the player being privy to it (barring one exception that was resolved within the same chapter)meanwhile with deltarune, it was marketed as an adventure but ever since ch2 it acts like all the dark worlds are just shit that's in the way of the actual plot, which is whatever the fuck kris is up to, who is actively using them to stall i don't mind that kris is hostile towards (you), i just hate how lazy toby is when it comes to revealing plot details by having every other character learn what's happening just off screen from what (you) can see and never elaborate on them
>>4145613That doesn't sound like it improves the story at all.
>>4145614>it was marketed as an adventureBeing an "adventure" does not have any bearing on any of your complaints.>but I don't feel like I'm on an adventure unless the fantasy world in front of me is the chief concern of every character in the partyToo bad, that isn't an objective part of "adventure" as a genre.>we don't know ANYTHING the game is keeping us COMPLETELY IN THE DARKyou know this isn't true
>>4145604>isn't a personal attack on the player.Hey now... Them's fightin' words...
>>4145615Is this the part where you say an epic fantasy adventure is a technical limitation?>>4145614I do mind that shite. I was patient and ch4 and ch5 did not reward my patience, instead they wasted my time and punished me for even trying, with no actual solution to solve the glaring problems.
>>4145608>bigger than 1>new playable character>secret evil snowgrave routeSurely things can only go up from here
>>4145619>every chapter after has some combination of "guest lightner does jack shit", pitiful amount of bosses, pitiful amount of new characters and/or pitiful amount of new areas>said new character spent the next 3 chapters not being playable>said new route spent the next 3 chapters being only cutscenes and small changes, and skips several dark worldsThing don't need to keep going up, they just needed to go horizontal.
>>4145622True but it's like gambling, you're shown a quick high then given just not enough to make you believe keeping going is worth it.
>>4145623man I just want this shit to be overI just need closure before I move on
>>4145626>I just need closure before I move onwhat will you do if there's a third game
>>4145627Call for his arrest.
>>4145629Then you are mentally ill and your desires are not worth catering to.
>>4145630Toby Fox is mentally ill, he's a cuck.
>>4145618If "epic fantasy adventure" means "seven dungeons and then you confront the bad guy" then yeah, that was in fact a technical limitation.
>>4145629valid crashout tbdesu
>>4145627If it is like from UT to DR where the connections are very vague and non-essential to understand the story, I'll pirate it out of curiosity when it comes and never get too invested like I got for DR.If for some good damn reason said third game is essential to understanding DR then I'll crash out and ragequit.
>>4145632Such a technical limitation that Bug Fables used it in 2019.Such a technical limitation that the remakes of the Erdrick Trilogy doubled down on this last year.You're a liar.You are lying because you're a subversive who openly wants to destroy my things.
More lines that got me surprised by replaying the survey program, from goulden sam:>* (Are you enjoying the show?)>* (Show's over! Everybody go home!)So there is a possibility the whole thing is even faker than it already is. Maybe the whole thing was like a play and Susie has no clue what is really going on.
The third game will have the Soul as the main villain.
>>4145639>the Soul as the main villainAgain?
>>4145641It's the only thing you're allowed to make anymore, or you get cancelled for not being enough of a subversive parasite.
>>4145641Genocide and Side B still have the Soul as the protagonist though, Unrelated will have it as the main antagonist.
>>4145644>adventure gets warped to such a.degree that battles don't even happen anymore and the main plot is just abandoned Interesting protagonistYou made the shadow crystals worthless after making one of them unavoidable on weird route you talentless hack
>>4145637i don't think fallout new vegas is a /vrpg/ game, anonare you lost
>>4145637WTF don't post yourself and us and the entire fandom sister!
>>4145648This is what I find interesting, yes.>shadow crystals can't mean anything because there is one route where your interaction with them isn't perfectly standardizedWrong. Just like Toby doesn't give a shit that you can miss Rudy.
>>4145652why bother making one shadow crystal mandatory if you cant get them all and do the thing the shadow crystals are supposed to doi know whylazy lazy lazy
>>4145655What's funny is the door glitch still lets you grab the shadow crystal even if you're doing the weird route.Thombertos Faux probably won't remember to fix it and someone'll end up having a mindbroken Noelle able to snowgrave a schizo boss that really isn't meant to be killed in one hit.
This is more valuable than anything ch5 wanted me to promote.
>>4145606It's fair to assume it's the physical door between the closet and the storage room.The real weird thing is how Ralsei, a darkner, is able to close it. Is the game lying to us about who Ralsei is?
>>4145655Because the shadow crystals can do different things in different routes.>NO EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE PERFECTLY STANDARDIZED NOOOOO
>>4145655To hint that you're DEFINITELY going the wrong way if you want the perfect "go in-between" outcome.Toby's just doing what he did with True Pacifist but more elaborate. First you'll go down normal route and get the misery porn ending, even with the Shadow Crystals, and then you'll go down Weird Route. Surprise, that's ALSO misery porn, and both paths were already predetermined since they were in the game from the very start, so you didn't make a new future in EITHER of them.Daddy Gaster chimes in, realizes he needs to hold your hand, and then lets you go "in-between" via some new flags that suddenly cause certain characters to point you in the right way, like how Flowey manipulated things to nudge you towards True Lab so he could use your time dicking around in there to get Papyrus to call EVERYONE to the Throne Room to stop the big climatic battle between Frisk and Asgore, thereby allowing him to steal all the souls, become Asriel, yadda yadda.
>>4145662it should be standardized
>>4145664so, the incompetent subversive writers pulling things out of their asses again?
>>4145665No, it shouldn't, because what they do was already dependent on the route and changing it last minute would be a cop out.
>>4145667Yes but this time he works with ZUN, Game Freak, HAL and Nintendo. And you how is your game doing?
>>4145659your priorities and values are objectively correct
>>4145668You mean the routes we are not even sure exist since the main alternative one skipped one chapter and a half?
>>4145659Those are lesbians and bisexuals tho
>>4145674They're children in funny costumes, anon. That adult shit don't matter until they're angsty teens.
>>4145334His dog's name?Tony
>>4145211TrashyOrbNubertBattat
>>4145674Kris is gonna become soulsexual once I'm done with them.
>>4145675That's not what Alphys told them in kindergarten the other day
>>4145686but anon,Toriel teaches kindergarten
>>4145687DR is based on America where school is essentially kindergarten until college
>>4145687I bet she comes drunk to class
>>4145694>I bet she comesNot when I fuck her
>>4145543At this point I believe we'll get a newsletter when the game is done outside of post-production. Toby doesn't give a shit about announcing merch anymore, and he also seems unwilling to give any teasers about chapter 6, so the most he could do with a development update is "Yeah we're about X% done with the game", which can be done better in a bluesky post than a newsletter. So yeah, you'll get a newsletter whenever that happen, and you best be ready to wait until summer to actually get chapter 6.
>>4145705>The bracelet colorsI'm so tired. When will this end?
>>4145705>what if the update schedule sucked
>>4145708You are obsessed
>>4145710We're way past the point of what if, it's objective reality
Roaring Knight has Kris's soul
>>4145464Yes, he doesn't have anything to say. Just like with 5 he considers anything on 6 as spoilers so he can't reveal shit to us.
>>4145489Weird fake Kris with a weird parasite in their pants.
>>4145507Same reason Dess and Undyne are.
>>4145575The Knight locked away the kings in the real world.
>>4145579>>4145580The Knight just did that in the Light World like he did the other stuff in Cyber World. King just didn't see them right. Even stuff like Paper Trail had King not know who the Knight was back then.
>>4145596If Kris was Frisk he would be cute and funny like her but he isn't. Fail.
>>4145606Knight did it before opening the Dark World.
>>4145727Kris is the Patience Soul that's why they are a jobber.
>>4145664That's too much work for Toby, it's not happening.
>>4145713Kris would be 6 feet under long before the events of deltarune if that were true since the knight at least existed during the incident/there was a black shard found during the investigation
>>4145732The twisted sword will lead to an alternate version of 7a where Kris doesn't kill them self at the end of 6 due to the blade's trance effect
>>4145735>twisted route cope
>>4145735Doesn't it lower the trance thus making them more likely to kill themselves?
>>4145734>Kris would [headcanon]Oh really? You must know something about the worldbuilding that we don't.
>>4145739That's trance blade since the thorn ring uses a ring for the trance symbol>>4145740The seeds are already planted for him to do that
>>4145742The "seeds are planted" for a lot of things, you fucking moron. That's what most of the discussion centers around, all the things that can potentially happen and how it might shape events that already happened.
Kris died when Edea impaled him with ice spikes, the rest of the game has been a fever dream.
The normal route TRAUMATIZED me
>>4145750They should be traumatized by how badly this scene is written, not by some stupid nonsense like this.
>>4145750If you listen to my heartbeat you're literally raping me.
>>4145750Wtf /v/ is on reddit as well?
>>4145748>EdeaWHO is that?
>>4145760My OC
>>4145760>anon never played Final Fantasy 8You are not a real gamer. 9 is better btw.
>>4145738I mean I wouldn't call it the twisted route. I'd imagine it be the same as 7a but you're playing as Kris instead of the vessel
Guys, is the weird route problematic media? Erm... Not hecking cool, Toby! They should all sit in a circle and read feminist literature instead, time to bring out the good old "durag johnson" clip and 3000 page Google docs
>>4145776The final boss of 7B will be Dworkin
>>4145777Who's Dworkin?
>>4145779Dwork on these nuts
>>4145779>anon has never read Andrea DworkinYou are not a real feminist. Simone de Beauvoir is better btw.
>>4145527Amazing how a leftist can desecrate something huh
>>4145785That's a hot Kris i don't get what you mean.
>>4145789You think they're hot for some reprobate reason like wanting someone who's insecure even if they're ugly.
>>4145789There's nothing hot about acne and cut marks. Kris is a cute bishounen autist who hides their pretty eyes under their bangs.
https://youtu.be/QCAuRSvlOagSong that plays after killing everyone in Hometown.
>>4145800The vessel sure is having a good time
>>4145800Thanks for showing me this channel.https://youtu.be/ULkstt8RBbg
>>4145705After the dog was so secretive about Chapter 5 for it to be so light on plot reveals, I'm expecting Chapter 6 to not even get a real trailer, he can't afford to show anything at ALL
>>4145805If it barely gets a trailer and it's still disappointing that would be very impressive
>>4145805I don't think he was "secretive" so much as he doesn't ever want previews to steal the thunder of the main chapter so he tries to avoid substantial ones. A lot of previews of stuff that isn't substantial gets you chapter 3 whose pre-release buildup was some of the greatest collective psychosis the fandom ever experienced. I think he wanted to avoid doing that a second time, hence sparse previews.
>>4145800>afterYou mean WHILE killing everyone. You can hear the police sirens and people screaming in the background.
>>4145808Releasing only the Pink shop theme because every other piece of the OST was spoilery was kinda exaggerating
Someone added an Asgore fight to Chapter 5.https://youtu.be/oB_ToPzwYo4
YIIK devs on Toby Fox
>>4145814That made me think there would be more Undertale motifs in 5 but nope. The flowers don't reference their Undertale themes and we barely get your best friend in Flower Man.
>>4145750This is the Tumblr woman who was raped by Flowery isn't it?
>>4145814>>4145818We joke about us being raped, but Toby might also be raped by our reaction to every minuscule bit of foreshadowing he did during chapter 2. His fault but he felt raped enough to put us in the game. The faggot actually fears us, too.
>>4145821Foreshadowing? The fandom was reacting mostly to their own imagination, not to something actually part of ch2.
>>4145817I feel bad for YIIK devs because they felt so criticized and memed about that their whole new second game revolves around how memes and criticism or the "sin of comparison" as they call it are bad.Whereas no, comparison is often healthy actually. It's really just the herd mentality that piled on this game because it was the trendy video game react channel thing to react to that's bad in this case. Most of those people were teenagers and went on to reacting to other trends, forgetting that this game even existed. That's not worthy of being called criticism.
>>4145811>Police sirenaThe Player after Napstablook finally becomes serious.
>>4145822You cannot be saying "all AU are okay" one stream and then dunk one specific AU where Mike is a cowboy in your game because "this one is not". That's hypocrisy.
Who got raped the hardest when Chapter 3+4 came out? Mikefags or KrisKnightfags?
>>4145824The fact is that YIIK was written kinda like dogshit. I understand the "why" to an extent, but that "why" is still firmly the dev's fucking fault: getting your script VA'd is going to finalize shit, if you haven't done a final editing pass then you're responsible for all the story details you now HAVE to work around.Also throwing a fit about how games aren't art because nobody "got" your game as an immediate response to criticism is never going to reflect well.
>>4145826Toby didn't dunk on some random AU. He dunked on the fact that he, who goes out of his way not to look for speculative fan content, still had a pretty complete idea of the fandom's object of speculation. Because what was effectively a meme spawned by the speculative side of fan content absorbed the entire fandom.
>>4145830Mikefags and it's not even close.To this day people will still dance around pretending that no dialogue is trustworthy because a character being mentioned by name wasn't a magic spell to summon them to relevance.
>>4145808>>4145821Given the newsletter where he mentioned people being worried about the pacing, and where he admitted that he thought some things would be interpreted differently, I think it makes sense that he doesn't want to release too many teasers so that people don't end up getting the wrong idea about what the chapter will be, which will make them mad when it ends up not being that.
I feel like the newsletter would also show more of 7B.Hopefully it's something like a theme or a sprite.
>>4145837Are you fucking stupid? No, it wouldn't, at most you'd get an update on the development progress bars. If there is something Toby is gonna keep completely secret, it's 7B.
>>4145838But it would be so awesome, it would be so cool...
>>4145821I think it's just that 3 wasn't spoilery enough for him so he felt more inclined to share stuff from it versus the more "spoiler" chapters like 5, 6 and 7. There wasn't much Chapter 4 teasers, either.
>>4145826Sans AUs are fancontent the japs engage with so it's okay, only western fancontent is the one Toby hates.
I hope Toby doesn't scroll 4chan because gasters gonna send me to mega hell for the shit I've been saying here, like that deltarune is bad, or that it raped me and other such things not related to current social issues
>>4145844It's okay you can shatter Gaster in 7B before he sends you to super mega hell.
>>4145844Gaster can't recognize you by your posts if Toby doesn't give you anywhere to input text.
>>4145844I propose to call this religion of yours Gasterism
>>4145832It's sad honestly that it seems that the most interesting artists are also the worst at taking responsibilities. Like if I am a responsible adult does it make me less likely to be good at something? Is that how it works? Oh well at least I'd never have to deal with the stress of being well-known.
Does anyone remember in which newsletter that one small red tree sprite was first shown off?
>>4145878This one? Sep 2025
Trve and honest 7B leaks.
news...................letter...........?
>>4145883I like the cracked chapter select screen ideaEverything else looks fake and cringe
>>4145883>your ORIGINAL soulHoly dogshit
>>4145885the dog ate it
I really hope 7B is not edgy in any way to btfo all these trash theories
>>4145883"Dess, you actually changed!""Off-model Monster kid, you actually changed!""NormalNPC, you actually changed!""Ficus licker, you actually changed!""scared_donut_npc, you actually changed!""Wing Dings Gaster, you actually changed!""Pile of Asriels dust, you actually changed!"
>>4145890You're getting genoKINO and you're gonna LIKE IT.
>>4145883Why aren't they being USED UP?
>>4145890The lake scene is literally the edgiest thing in the game with the edgiest music
>>4145890I hope 7B is just Kris and Noelle going in a picnic in the otherside because doing it in hometown was boring! and then get used up in the end with Noelle saying thank you
>>4145764>9 is better...at doing 8's laundry.
>>4145822>The fandom was reacting mostly to their own imaginationThe more things change...
>>4145834>>4145835It's time mikefags admit they are cringe and that they absolutely deserved the mockery instead of acting like eternal victims everywhere they go
>>4145837>>4145839This is always how it starts.>I feel like x should happen. Not because it will or it should, but because I'm autistic and I want it to.>X didn't happen? Seriously Toby? After dropping so many of what I personally considered to be hints? After all that time I spent assuming? What the fuck, this is why everybody hates your game now. Because you don't make our specific headcanons come true.
>>4145885It was never going to happen.
>>4145909No I just think it would be cool if it happened.Just like it would be cool if the Side B Soul was the entity behind THAT DAY.
How do you fight a Gerson statue in chapter 4 if his study in the light world doesn't have a statue?
>>4145911>it would be coolI don't think it would.
>>4145821>my friend said "what's the opposite of I miss Tenna">oh no that actually didn't mean anythinghe fears us like we fear him
>>4145901Deltarune theorist...
>>4145896>This is what HMOFAtards want
>>4145835>>4145906I'll be chilling and saying "told ya" when the final chapters take a nose dive and everyone else has a meltdown
>>4145911>Side B SoulIt's probably the same soul trying a different method cause Side A ended up lacking in some aspect.
>>4145914That was about Flowery. Toby's friend simply didn't like him.
>>4145912The statues are the reflections of Gerson's light world hammer/photo in the walls of the glass case or something
>>4145912What is a winglade (NPC)'s form in the light world? Is it different from the one Kris can use as a weapon? Probably not.So I raise the possibility that statue Gerson WAS the Darkner of the snow globe, colored by Susie's new knowledge that he was actually dead the whole time.
>>4145918I like to keep them separate where one is Jesus and the other is Satan.
>>4145919And that was also about not letting another "criminal gameshow host called mike" situation happen
>>4145906>they absolutely deserved the mockery>Gets a cool unique mini-section and mini-boss with its own never seen before mechanicsThis fandom has psychosis, any other author would just tell you to fuck off instead of putting you down lightly or even making your theories technically canon in side content.Like what else do you want him to do, give you a handjob?
>>4145909I can't believe people who buy entertainment want their entertainment to entertain them
>>4145925Just keep the costume as the actual Mike design and put an end to itPut mike with this design in ch3
>>4145925Mikefags still lived on through Miketwt.
>>4145922aren't you both
>>4145933I like to roleplay as if they were different people.
>>4145912You don't fight it, Susie specifically forbids you.
>>4145918Side B happened first which is why Kris learned to hate and distrust you.
>>4145925I honestly wish the Mike trio didn't exist and Mike was just an off-screen gag. Plus even in 5 Toby still gives fuel to Mike.
>>4145925>Gets a pathetically easy extra boss in a castle town cuckshed>Even more shitty gimmicks that will never return to the game instead of expanding the core mechanics of the normal battles>All of this in the huge ass chapter that had less boss battles than the chapter made without a team 7 years before>Calling you an idiot in front of everyone for enjoying the game the wrong way>Could have just added a minor "Mike" character to appease that side of the fandom or even just stayed completely quiet and left the backstage Mike as he was
>>4145925>Like what else do you want him to do, give you a handjob?A headpat would be nice...
Mikefags in charge of not acting like eternal victims: >>4145941
>>4145935Once a virus, always a virus.
>>4145943I'll laugh when it's your turn to be shafted by the game
This Deltarune of ours surely is turning into a digital circus of sort.
>>4145945Turns out the deltatroons truly do strive for less and lessYou are the future of gaming and you're killing it
>>4145941Just admit you have a victim complex mate, stop acting like toby fucked your mom>All of this in the huge ass chapter that had less boss battles than the chapter made without a team 7 years beforeWRONG! 4 has 3 boss battles if you don't count the mike fight, chapter 1 has 2Of course the mikefag doesn't actually play the game
>>4145946Word of advice, monitor what your kid watches, you never know when he's getting groomed in the other room
How are we feeling, fellow Gaster followers?https://youtu.be/zK3z2gyHCuI
>>4145950HAHAAHAHA>Chapter 1>Lancer>K. Round 1>Clover>Lancer and Susie>Lancer (Vs Susie)>K. Round 2>Jevil>King>Chapter 4>Jackenstein>Miss Mizzle>Hammer of Justice>Sound of Justice>Spawn>Titan
>>4145948it's already dead
>>4145883>implying the full game would release in 2027Who are you, Santa?
>>4145957None of those are boss fights ignoring Jevil and KingLike cmon man there's no way you're seriously calling Susie vs Lancer a boss fight when its a scripted cutscene.Can you try playing the video game instead of watching it through youtube? Thanks
>>4145945I already was which is why I keep playing mostly because I enjoy the gameplay and music and have a passing interest in how the story will end.
>>4145956I'm not watching an hour long theory video. What's it say? Is it about Angel Gaster?
>>4145958Then it's your faultStop castration children
>>4145963>scripted cutscenecoff coff Omega Flowey coff coff Asriel coff coff
>>4145967Asriel always sucked
>>4145950>stop acting like toby fucked your momHe did though did you forget the jitterbug?
>>4145969good we can agree on something at last
>>4145967At least you can die on those.
>>4145965Yes but you used AI to know that didn't you?
Did you know you don't even have to attack Flowery during the last sequence? Pacicuckery is here to stay
>>4145976Nope, I could just tell from the title and the prophecy about the banished angel meeting with its desire.
There is no prophecy if you can just jump into a lake and forget about dealing with the knight completely
>>4145979Idk it's the first time I hear about it. Might not be very interesting but to me it was refreshing.
>>4145978Duh. He doesn't want to hurt you. If you don't get it by then, you're retarded.
>>4145975A death that means absolutely nothing because it keeps your progress through the fight.Flowery having absolutely nothing to do with Flowey didn't piss me off as much as it should because UTY had already given me a "Omega Flowey battle but for real" take already.
>>4145981I'm sure the simulation will course-correct. We know it can.
>>4145978Big shocker, Toby expects the majority of his audience to not have their flesh melt off at the prospect of using mechanics that have been there since Undertale.>but I didn't spare in Undertale!Sounds like a you problem.
>>4145981Something something black deer in Mantle 3
>>4145964>Rape victim shaming other rape victimsEverytime
>>4145986Yeah he expects me to spare and also for me to suck his dick like you do but guess what I won't
>>4145986I don't want to see this in the future, you made one of the weapons completely useless
>>4145982I mean, I've heard of Angel Gaster but this is the first time in a while I see someone trying to make an actual theory around it than just noticing connections and symbolism. From what I can see. Still not watching it, I have a vendetta against theory videos longer than 20-30 minutes because at that point they're probably just rehashing or repeating evidence to draw it out or cover absolutely all their bases when it's unnecessary.
>>4145983Time doesn't flow unless you play the game don't you blame that on me
>>4145963I mean, outside of Clover they all have their own battle themes.
>>4145989>it's sucking Toby's dick to ever spare an enemyK. Round?
>>4145991You can skip around at the 55th minute mark if you want, he has a summary.It's actually nice that this person bothered to have proper video structure for once and it's not just told as schizo ramblings.
Mad Dummy still flies in the face of all that nonsense about monster souls being made of hope and compassion and the faggot making the decisions doubled down on it.
>>4145984>UTYfag is too dumb to notice Flowery's and Flowey's similarities
>>4146001Stop thinking so hard and just dedicate yourself to lewding the pink catgirl
>>4146002>muh UTY We don't need them to be retarded.
>>4145987Reminder that it gets ONESHOTTED like a BITCH.
>>4146003Twitter told me the pink catgirl was for the gray catgirl and anything else is lesbian erasure (again) and you self inserting ((again)).
>>4146008So they are not even denying that trannyism is agp?
>>4146002I was talking about the battles there.All the "Omega" teasing with the flowers only for the actual guy to use an orange soul mode and bamboo
>>4146001Toby doesn't believe in sin so for him Maddie's soul weighs the same as Monster Kid's. Also explains why he thinks the only binary choice is spare them all or kill them all.
>>4146017Knight is Kris and Noelle child from the future
>>4145998That is nice. Props for that and not making it 6 hours long either.I hadn't considered the common Player Angel desire idea (wanting to see the story's ending) in the context of this theory, that was actually a wow moment for me. Everything else is basically accepted as canon/fanon, like Gaster finding the Deltarune world, writing the prophecy and the forgotten man being Deltarune Gaster. It's a shame he hasn't realized the creation Gaster fell into is probably the dark world/fountain and I believe the vessel will be inhabited by us or Eram, not Gaster, but overall it's a fine theory.
>>4146019That's way better than some teen girl boss I don't care about
>>4146004Literally everyone who mentions it or posts a picture of it is a raped retard in these threads
>>4146008Mew4Mew is the flower version of Charisk
>>4146025I want to be raped by Clover.
>>4146025Col, Mikefag and more aren't on the fangame grind and are still our strongest soldiers
>>4146022Nah, it would be lame as fuck, though it would be hilarious if the pure crystal ends up showing you the future and Noelle and Kris are together with six children running around them. Imagine Noelle reaction and confusion.
>>4146016Oh then he's a retard and not worth listening toDon't give your decision making powers to homosexuals
>>4146012We never had an actual base Flowey fight in canon, but I think Flowery purposely tries to fight as a human rather than a flower, which is why he uses punches and all.
>>4146033>six childrenThe human souls...
>>4146032The two you mentioned are UTYtards, you just proved my point.
>>4146039...I-I kneel. My crossposting skills are lacking...
>>4146021Something he mentions are the parallels between Gaster and Flowey and I wonder if the physical form Gaster takes couldn't just be Ralsei. Maybe Ralsei is the Vessel. But something that doesn't sit right with me is Ralsei being confined to dark world. Are we being misled with this? How was Ralsei able to close the door to the storage room? What was that thing with the statue he broke? Was he just pretending to heal Flowery because he knew Susie would do it herself to fool the player? He's a liar and wouldn't have any interest in healing Flowery anyway.
>>4146033>What... Kris and me together? And with kids, too... but... we're both girls. How did we...???
>>4146033Kriselle is endgame
>>4146033>Suselle just getting started>magic crystal shows that one of them ends with the third wheelNoelle, Susie and Kris would be uncomfortable with that.
>>4146043>The retard I was arguing with was also oneLol
>>4146045Ralsei might be a vessel, but just in the sense he's the dark world manifestation of the device or something. So of course Gaster could speak through him.Its also highly possible he can speak through or act via his incarnations like Rules who is the least obvious gaster self insert ever.
>>4145988Mikefags have it coming.
>>4146049>"Fahahah... Kris, what's the meaning of this?...">[autistic cooing and celebrating during a 5 minute monologue]You know how two-faced Noelle is.
>>4146046Soul magic.
I still believe in Krusielle. Starwalker showed me the way.
>>4146045Oh, like both Gaster and Flowey taking over the twitter accounts to introduce their respective games before release? I don't see enough people talking about that, good he noticed. I doubt Ralsei is the vessel or Gaster's form, though. Ralsei doesn't acknowledge any of the vessel's attributes for one, even if he knows the player's name.He seems to be more powerful than a Darkner due to the door thing and Flowery calling him an impossibility, but it'd be really stupid if he could just go to the light world this whole time while waxing poetic about how he can't go to the festival. Pretending to heal Flowery would also ruin the emotion of that scene for what sounds like a joke. He probably broke the statue because it was putting Kris and Susie in danger and it would be faster than convincing Susie to be fine with it while they're getting pelted by bullets in darkness, plus it wasn't a sentient/important darkner since the Gerson's dust case itself is fine.
>>4146055You're also a raped retard like them, no room to speak.
>>4146061That's just Kris constantly feeling like a third wheel and Susie and Noelle never being sure if they actually like each other or if Kris is just the glue. Better for Kris to find happiness elsewhere and for Susie and Noelle to figure it out on their own without dragging Kris along like a damn dog.
>>4146006Because it's Noelle and she willingly lets herself be killed by us.
>>4146067>Better for Kris to find happiness elsewhere and for Susie and Noelle to figure it out on their own without dragging Kris along like a damn dogBut what if he does, and they realize Kris really was the glue, but once they track him down Kris doesn't need them anymore?
>>4146069It's for the best.
>>4146069Serves them right. They can let Kris live their life and hopefully Susie and Noelle find other people too.
>>4146031Cap'n...
>>4146069Kris has his own life to live.
>>4145895mike..........
>>4146064I see but I think Toby deliberately kept a lot of symbolism the same between both games. Ralsei might be a shapeshifter and this game's Flowey, and like the flower he's after the souls of everyone or whatever it is that darkners possess that makes them worth having in Castle Town. Chapter 5 is supposed to make you feel like he might become a twist villain. I don't think Ralsei's named after Asriel and is shown to be related to Flowery for nothing. The angel's dream you must banish is Gaster's survey program, the game. Asriel was also called an angel. Both are satanic, or "lightbringer" figures. And Ralsei is the only character in the whole game who cares about the satanic prophecy. Ralsei might or might not be related to the vessel but he's for sure related to Gaster.
>>4146037Going from souls to flowers to weird hybrid freaks is a hell of a journey.
>>4146045>How was Ralsei able to close the door to the storage room?By closing the great door like the Knight does it in 4.
Say, how much of hometown do you think is aware of Kris' little adventures?
>>4146100Less than 1%
>>4146100It's all just an opIdiot plots are the future
god fucking dammitwhen will fennekin fox make a video on chapter 5?I need an epic shitting on it that isn't from a fucking faggotis there any other chuddy youtube who already did a video making fun of it?
>>4146112Howard Blast (The first video has too much shitposting so go for the newest one)
>>4146008>>4146011>um but twitter raped me so even though most porn of mew is her getting dicked, I'm going to seek out the few specific tweets that I can rape myself withThis fucking fanbase, man.
>>4146037If Torielcan birth a human, so can Noelle.>inb4 but she le adopted him (no proof) b-because it only makes sense that way (in a whimsical game where the worldbuilding is completely arbitrary)
>>4146112>I need an epic shitting on it that isn't from a fucking faggotthat’s most video essays done when it comes to CH5 criticism, what are you on about man is making up fake faggots lmao
>>4146065But enough about your projection
>>4146112Your fagtuber is a retard, anon.
>>4146112>>4146115>>4146122>ecelebs..........ugh.........please.......validate.........my opinions......!Do zoomoids really
>>4146123You already said you got shafted by the game.
>>4146115>chapters 3+4 glazerugh.
>>4146127Yeah the last panel reveal and then 5 feeling like filler was meh but the game is still fun. You guys take it way too seriously.
>>4146122most I've encountered are by the type of people who think blue wasn't dark enough in that fuck ass shirt or believe in troon ralsei theory
>>4146112When is CoL making his deltarune video
The whatted?
>>4146133He would never because he probably sounds like the biggest sperg who ever sperged, and video editing would probably give him a heart attack with how he acts like his life is literally on the line when a videogame surprises him.
>>4146117We're like Noelle. Dreading yet seeking it.
>>4146131Says the faggot purposefully baiting people.
>>4146133>>4146135CoL is a let's player, there's playthroughs of the game in his channel.
>>4146126i don’t watch em, i just see the thumbnails and assume that’s the kind of videos they are
>>4146137We're like Noelle. Raped yet coming back for more.
>>4146142>>4146137How long we're the ones doing it...?
>>4146137>>4146142>We're like Noelle.Am I a rapist then?
>>4145844>I hope Toby doesn't scroll 4chanhe used to
>>4146143we'll be the ones doing the raping once the game is over
>>4146142No, Noelle is a rapist. Kris is the raped. We're Kris.
>>4146147I mean we know this from the rose change, someone in his circle 100% told him about the rape memes and got him to change itMaybe it was Hussie. The idea of Hussie lurking on vee would be funny.
>>4145844god I hope toby browses these threadsit would be so fucking funny if he ever does the pathetic move of acknowledging criticism within the game lmao
>>4146117Okay you're right, but also they did complain about Pink and Kris so toby indirectly made her kiss Kris harder
>>4146139Again with the projection, kek.
were less than a year away from another nothingburger from mikedonalds
>>4146171Perfect. I yearn for fanbase humiliation rituals.
>>4146135he wouldnt make a deltarune video because he said he cant promote the gay ships
>>4146175Just talking about something means you support it?Wow, CoL must be the biggest Suselle supporter of them all!
>>4146177i dont think he even wants to talk about it there
>>4146175And of course everyone knows you can only play a game if it gives you a route where you don't see the author's opinions you disagree with and thus don't want to promote.
>>4146150I wonder what Hussie thought of the Noelle=Hussie expy schizoposting.
>>4146172I want the heart of every Knightfag breaking once the reveal is the worst fucking possible thing lmao
>>4146183It'll just be dessknight and 99% of the fans will act like it was a total and decisive raping anyway
>>4146181What can you do when the normal gameplay route has unskippable content with that stuffOnce upon a time people didn't shove the gays into your face like that like it was normal.I cannot read out that dialogue, it is against my principles to read it.
>>4146184nah that would be boringI want the knight to be an empty husk that was no one in particular
>>4146184Dessknight will have everyone here crying
>>4146188>Kris was hiding its identity for literally no reason other than to troll the player into thinking it was someone important, because somehow he knew the player would spend years and years of autistic obsession over who Knight could be, just like how he somehow knew when Chapter 3 would end so he could safely enter the shelter and conspire with Knight without the player being present for it
>>4146187Ignore the game and move on?>but it's the sequel to something where I could tell it wanted me to do the "degenerate" option and I could just say no!Too bad! Deltarune isn't doing the same thing because that wasn't an intentional part of Undertale.
>>4146191No. He has to stay here so I can keep cumming.
>>4146191buts its the sequel to something i could beat in a day and move on with my life without needing to openly support faggotry to an audience of people who are predominantly straight
>>4146193You can do that with Deltarune too. Just wait for it to be done and judge whether your morals will be "harmed" (lmao) by its story.>nuh uh i already played Deltarune and that is your problemWrong.
>>4146190my god I would cum
>>4146195on kris?
what are the current weak spots for raping?>knight>dess>that horrible day>suselle (in both ways)>pure crystal>twisted sword>aborted weird route
>>4146197that too
>>4146198newsletterlmao
>>4146198The Ending, Toby already warned that it's going to be something not everyone will enjoy.
>>4146194or you could stop being a faggot
>>4146198Mike Trio, Toby is utterly obsessed with them and they're his perfect outlet to vent about the fandom.
>>4146201oddly enough, I think many fans are already bracing for impact around thatit won't be an "out of nowhere" situation like mike or kris knight or the vagueposting king
>>4146190It would be infinitely funnier if Kris thoguh the knight was actually Dess only to be wrong
>>4146211>Knight tricks Kris into thinking it's Corrupted Dess>final boss fight against Knight is reheated King nachos where they try to spare Knight after it feigns forfeit, then nearly kills everyone>Ralsei is reminded that he and Susie lost their way from the lesson they should've kept to heart after King pulled the exact same goddamn thing and everyone kills themselves out of shame for how utterly retarded they were
>>4146213>he and Susie lost their way from the lesson they should've kept to heart after KingThey didn't, though, otherwise they wouldn't have immediately fought the knight or the titan. The lesson they were supposed to learn there wasn't "don't show mercy" or "listen to the party leader", it was "exercise your own judgement".
>>4146221Yeah, because Titan is a literal mindless being who can't understand the concept of mercy, and Knight was a reflex of self-defense because its motives and intentions are unknown.Flowery also didn't yet bruise Susie's ego about whether or not she's a "real hero" and lead to them forcing pacicuckoldry.
>>4146165>projecting his projection
>>4146222She forced pacifism in the fight over the flower king dark world in general because winning that conflict by violence would implicitly mean she couldn't win it through reason, and thus that she wasn't the hero.This won't apply to every random Darkner just because it allowed her to defy your orders once.
>>4146221>otherwise they wouldn't have immediately fought the knight or the titanWow a brainless being and someone who won't even speak to us. Such complex characters, and we learnt so much from fighting the King.
Susie and Ralsei disobeying my orders is good because it will make the 7B slaughter more satisfying.
>>4146225I mean, yeah, chapter 1 Ralsei would likely try to spare the Knight and chapter 1 Susie probably wouldn't have stopped spamming basic attacks long enough to actually help against the Titan.
Why is there so much LGBTQ propaganda in Deltarune when it's a game for kids?
>>4146229It's not a game for kids and the gay shit isn't an attempt to propagandize anyway.
>>4146229Are you for real? Do you have any idea what kind of world we live in now?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OKCiXmBofc
>>4146229I'm in charge of the LGBTQ propaganda hi.
>>4146229Because that's just what's in children's media nowadays.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4vHegf3WPU
>>4146224>She forced pacifism in the fight over the flower king dark world in general because winning that conflict by violence would implicitly mean she couldn't win it through reason, and thus that she wasn't the hero.Not that anon, but I have a bit of an issue with that reasoning. First off I want to mention that I do think this line of thought does fit Susie and my issue doesn't lie there, nor do I think this reasoning is a writing mistake, I think it makes sense, my issue is with the reasoning happens with the reasoning in general. To be specific, the issue is with the claim that using violence to beat Flowery would imply that the fun gang as a whole aren't heroes. The way I see it, "Hero" is simply a role established by the prophecy, those who take that role are the heroes. Now, the prophecy does no specify that is he heroes are pacifists, or kind, it simply establishes certain goals that the heroes will accomplish, what methods are used to accomplish those goals are for the most part irrelevant. The prophecy establishes that the heroes meet the Flower Man, but how they deal with the Flower Man is not specified, they could cut him down, and everything would still be the same, they wouldn't have broken their role as heroes of the prophecy.
>>4146229>>4146233>>4146237The world really went to shit after 2010, isn't it? I pity the kids that were born after the LGBT plague and now think that shit is normal. FemKris is canon btw.
>>4146137>>4146142Noelle is not the raped and never was.
>>4146229can ask the same about undertale desuand the answer is toby is a troon in disguise trying to groom our kids
is pink really going to leave her little sister to wither away for the sake of larping as a catgirl on a school closet?
>>4146147>some of them are really cancerous I wonder if he thinks we all are cancerous now
>>4146251The consequences of the internet turning mainstream in the mid-2000's has been utterly disastrous on allowing weirdos to make contact with each other instead of being perpetually isolated for being weird until they either learned to be normal or killed themselves.
>>4146258he probably despises every single one of us by this point
>>4146260He's despised us ever since poopy joe.
>>4146259Nah, back then everyone simply ignored those kinds of people, and they in exchange kept it to themselves and didn't try to enforce their ways on the whole world like an annoying Jehovah's Witness. I blame politics. They ruined EVERYTHING. Even video games. I hear it all the time, people calling games 'woke,' 'leftist,' or 'for incels.' Literally nobody gave a shit back then. Games were just fucking games. Men were muscular, grabbed girls' butts, and nobody cared.
>>4146175He already a let's play of it.
>>4146198Suselle and the ending (and 7B)
>>4146235Toby...
>>4146262Yeah, but because they were able to unite online, that meant those in power saw a new demographic of extremely useful idiots to turn into their new eunuchs, starting nothingbruger movements for nothingburger problems.
>>4146231>It's not a game for kidsHalf of the Deltarune fandom is literally a bunch of retarded kids who are being brainwashed by this LGBTQ propaganda. It's fucking disgusting. If we didn't live in a clown world, Toby would have been punished for this bullshit a long time ago.>gay shit isn't an attempt to propagandizeLMAO, I don't believe it. Toby knew what he was doing, especially after he finished Underale.
>>4146190Actually that's a good point. How does Kris know when the chapter is over? Does the soul go to sleep between chapters?
The newsletter will offer even more FemKris hints. We will win. Trust the plan.
>>4146272it's november anon
>>4146271Either he's on ascended levels of meta bullshit, or he's in cahoots with Gaster, who gave him the heads-up about what chapters even are, which is why the WoodSword2 references that it's "arbitrarily stronger because it's from a later chapter."
>>4146272It's over.
>>4146273>No Nut November >FemKris revealToby, you diabolical......
>>4146272>We will w-ACK!!! FemKrissisters...
>>4146280Hmm, there's something missing here?
>>4146282No. Everything is as it should be.
>>4146280The krisellefag is reduced to editing official Suselle artwork to fit his deranged fantasies. How pathetic.
>>4146280MaleKris is a sissy faggot boy because Lancer pronounces him the wife of the relationship between him and LancerCookie.
Why are some fans so against the idea of the Knight being a woman?
>>4146289Because none of the female characters are interesting enough to make it work except Noelle, and none of them can conceive Noelle Knight because of their own preconceived notions about her as a character, even though Weird Route JUST deconstructed Noelle's character massively and forced us to reevaluate every single one of her moments in the game with her Weird Route monologue in mind.
>>4146280I was searching for any Kris from this artist that might look like a girl, but they all look like boys. I guess this artist just likes their Kris as a boy.
>>4146285>Actually improving something = patheticLet me explain. I acknowledge that the official content is suselleslop. However, Suselle is also poorly written garbage, which is a fact. So removing Suselle from any official or fan content automatically improves said content. What I'm doing is a noble cause.
I'm so fucking scared of what tobasco will do to these next year
>>4146293You're going to get another Rouxls Kaard Throuple joke where he tries to break them up so he can simply insert himself into their relationship and THEN reunite them so he can have both of them for himself, and you're going to like it.
>>4146291is there a gallery for everything?
>>4146290It's insane how hard people cling to the idea of NR Noelle being completely disconnected from WR Noelle.
>>4146294I mean that's not as bad what I had in mind>stop vaguepostingI'm mainly talking about more gendershit
>>4146297its going to be to the extent of what was done with her and mettaton in UT and regardless of what troons say it won't stop me from wanting to plow maddy's ghost pussy and knocking her up
>>4146293>I'm so fucking scared of what tobacco will do to these next yearIt's in their DNA.
>>4146289because i cannot take it seriously anymore, it would not be a force to be feared
>>4146296It's the anti-Suselle cope desperately trying to hold on to the idea 100% of what Noelle said was true so it means Noelle doesn't love Susie
>>4146286And he wants to be festival queen. And he's so fruity Susie isn't comfortable with him assuming a male role.
>>4146289The knight looks male. This means that he is male, just like Kris.
>>4146300The characters and narrative are already in a state of not taking Knight seriously to the point the narrator is making fun of its own flavor text from the Knight fight in a literal meme fight against the Trashy Trio.
>>4146296>toby comes back 10 years later to say his little chocolat who wanted to massacre an entire village of humans wasn't actually badWR will never be the real noelle
Wait, CoL is the NoelleKnighter? Jesus Christ.
>>4146305Except no one is saying Noelle is Literally Satan. Toby backpedaled on Chara because he realized he was demonizing a literal 12 year old who's also heavily implied to be an abuse victim, and with how increasingly woke things were getting, he needed to course correct before someone called him out on it and the other snowflakes smelled blood in the waters.
>>4146306CoL believes in Kriselle Knight
>>4146305I thought his point wasn't that Chara wasn't bad but rather that Asriel loved her all the same
>>4146300The way it behaves and the things it does in the story remain exactly the same.>but when women do that stuff it's just lame because... because it is, ok?!
>>4146304thats...really badwhy should anyone give a shit anymore and treat this woke retard with any respectif we weren't living in woke clown world, he be taken out back and shot in the head for treason
>>4146311Because stories taking themselves 100% seriously at all times only became the norm because we had the most repressed generation of all time and then they went through the world wars. We have spent a century recovering from the stick that got shoved up humanity's collective ass.
>>4146313Yup. Even precious Dragon Quest is full of humor and not taking itself seriously because Japan desperately wanted to reprieve itself after WW2 ended, and a humor-filled take on the Western Fantasy Setting wound up being exactly what the japs needed.
The Knight is obviously a woman because it has an absurdly slim waist only a woman could have
The Knight is obviously a microphone because it has an absurdly loud noise only a microphone could have
The Knight is definitely the main antagonist!.
>>4146315Papyrus has one like that.Logically Sans probably does too but I don't want to see him in a crop top to prove it.
The Knight is definitely gonna rape the already raped asses of all theorists!
Bro, look at those shoulders. That is 100% a man.
>>4146320The jawline too, remember the visor is actually a mouth, as foreshadowed by the Darkner whose nose is actually his eyes.
>>4146320No, she's just got shoulder pads.
>>4146320Those are called pauldrons.
>>4146313I should shove a stick up your ass and see if it comes out the other end. Squeal, you socialist pig.
Actually, this might be why Carol looks like a man. So she matches the knight's proportions.
they're calling it the most raped fandom of all time
>>4146280Kriselleschizo...
I hate Deltarune and yet I cannot stop thinking about it, it's horrible.
>>4146329Obsessed
>>4146327It's because of that rose. You know how /v/ is.
>>4146306CoL is a Rudy Knighter because he doesn't want a woman to be the Knight. Seriously.
>>4146330You and half the thread lol
>>4146330And I'll laugh at your seething ass forever.
>>4146330>>4146334I can't take this piece of junk of my headwhy can't I shove any better game in that spot on my brain?
Could the Knight beat Springtrap in a hand to hand fight?
>>4146336You're obsessed~
>>4146337Yeah, but Springtrap will always come back. Flowery told me.
>>4146336Because you were RAPED.Now you'll never be able to forget or let go of THAT HORRIBLE DAY, just like Kris.
>>4146336Autism. Retardation.
>>4146325Go cry about the Hays Code not being around anymore somewhere else, puritan.
>>4146330It feels like a joke but it really isn't, I absolutely despise most of the game after chapter 5, I know I will hate most of the game outside of the weird route, but I cannot stop thinking about it, I cannot stop posting here. At times it feels like some sort of self harm, I'm not enjoying it but I compulsively engage with it anyway.I will thank Toby for one thing, this whole RPG deconstruction thing is not for me, I did enjoy Undertale, but Deltarune has shown me that it was only an exception to the rule, and I generally don't enjoy this concept, and I am glad I know this now.
>>4146289Sexism unironically despite this being a woke series
>>4146349To be fair chuds are very good at ignoring all the woke elements of Undertale and Deltarune, as shown by these games' popularity here.
>>4146305Both Asgore and especially Undyne wanted to massacre humans and they weren't pure evil, either. Chara is just a nuanced character.
>>4146343Why its your fault
>>4146307The Chara that calls themself a demon is as soulless as Flowey, nothing in the stream was a retcon.
>>4146331New LLM catchphrase dropped.
>>4146357>the white knight was just chat gpt all alongdang it
>>4146357Dude, I don't even post here as often as I used to. Stop being so obsessed with me. It's fucking weird. You keep talking about schizos, but you act like one yourself.
>>4146355Pre-Death Chara. People assumed Chara was ALWAYS pure evil from the start due to the "Chara wasn't the greatest person" line, hence the original "Chara manipulates/possesses Frisk into doing genocides before Frisk gets a single EXP" depictions from the early fandom days.
Play Zelda instead
>>4146374Is that guy who spergs out about the idea of Link with anyone other than Zelda still around?
>>4146377Yep, he is.
>>4146374toby you're NOT tricking me into playing more mantlefuck off
>>4146377>is [known schizo] still around?The answer is ALWAYS yes. The only reason a schizo will NOT be around is if someone finds out that schizo literally died, and even then depending on the schizo's success levels at derailing or hijacking threads, imitators will take up his mantle.
When is Muffet gonna show up anyway shes my favorite character
>>4146398>Anon said, writing with one hand
>>4146400Toby was writing suselle with one hand
>>4146398Oh Anon... that catgirl... what she did to the spider... oh the horror...
>>4146407how was he writing krusielle
>>4146414Refer to the trouple in ch3
>>4146407idk man, even the horniest braindead nigga can write better shit than that
>>4146414With help
>>4146414>SuselleOne hand, fapping on NTR and yuri.>KrusielleRecalls how he was third wheeling in the past and then implement it in the game.>KriselleProbably in a study with Temmie on speaker talking about her day while he's petting a fluffy cat.>Kriselle (Side B)???
>>4146364I made literally a single post directly replying to your Susie schizophrenia. The rest was other anons.
>>4146371That was never the case, it's just people looking for a villain not knowing Toby's writing is more nuanced than that.
>>4146420i dunno, groomers are usually pretty horny
>>4146428>>Kriselle (Side B)post-nut clarity with temmie
>>4146398Never, a reference is all you're getting.
>>4146429>Susie schizophreniaDoes not liking Susie make you schizophrenic?
>>4146436Editing Susie in particular out of images is pretty schizophrenic, but honestly you chilled out a bit, this is mostly just lightly teasing from me.
>>4146434Why, shes my wife
This thread is HILARIOUS lmaohttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/83647631/#83648566
>>4146459>doeThe lake is something and actually cool, the sad one was for sus, nothing but despair
>>4146459The Krisellefags got fed the most this chapter. I wonder how Krusiefags lived through the release...
>>4146459You support cuck content and are a dangerous subversive literally here to destroy us, shut the fuck up
>>4146468Lived through? Krusiefags legit got taken out back and shot like dog.
>>4146467I laugh at susfags after I had to endure an entire church worth of susiewank
>>4146473Then another dark world full of it while seeing her brain shrink by the minute
>>4146469Ummm I'm sure the data centers are gonna destroy us before some cartoon furry lesbians in a videogame will
>>4146475Ch5 was Prophecywank
>>4146478>knight is there for a decade and does nothingThere is no prophecy If there was a prophecy the Roaring Knight would have only appeared when the game started
>>4146483Or the characters don't know everything about the prophecy and its rules.
>>4146483>If there was a prophecy the Roaring Knight would have only appeared when the game startedIt's virtually what happens though.
>>4146477I support data centers, you don't, because the idea that pretentious woke artists might be out of jobs scares you. It hurts that you can't tell me how to think anymoreI catch your groomy shit near my kid, I will hurt you
>>4146483That's what Ralsei thinks is how it's supposed to go. We never saw anything in the Sanctuaries that Knight is ONLY supposed to appear when the three heroes come together.But that logistically makes no sense, doesn't it? The three heroes won't ever come together if there's never a Knight which makes with Blackened Knife to create Dark Fountains, when one of them is fundamentally separated from the others in deepest dark.
>>4146475>>4146478Flower World genuinely wasn't another Susie wank dark world, people only get that impression because of the festival's suselle wank.The closed eyes scenes and similar where the most plain, while the Ralsei ones had actual things happening or being revealed. It was Ralsei wank + quirky side character wank this time.
>>4146489It's a-okay, because we have a traitor making darkness geysers.
>>4146492But Kris would never be a traitor if there was never a Knight guilt tripping him based on a promise, he would've just killed himself after Asriel left for college, and then we'd truly not have a game period.
>>4146485There are no rulesIf the game decides to skip a chapter boss for some generic Titan it can do that and get praised for itIf the game decides to make one of the chapter bosses pacifist only it can do that and also get praised for itIf the game decides the one goal the game gives you is a wild goose chance only done to waste real life time, it can do that and ruin the entire genre and get praised for it.
>>4146497>There are no ruleswronge
>>4146500You're right, there's one.Never let the player figure out what happens next because keeping the story as secret as possible matters above all else.
>>4146502You support it though
>>4146496he wouldn't make his mother cry
>>4146502thou forgot the othereth
I listen to the soundtrack sometimes and I genuinely think Link but Blue would have been a better fit for this ost that what I gotBut no one makes that kind of game anymore, because of you
Toriel
>>4146504He's certain that she'd move on, just like she happily moved on from Asgore after the divorce to become the Hometown Bike, given that one of Kris's "broken dreams" is seeing her holding another child.
>>4146483It's so fucking cool and awesome and aura and everything when Toby made OPTIONAL that the Knight came before the fun gang
>chapter 6>no shadow crystal boss, no egg, no weird route, no starwalker>people search up every single inch of the chapter for secret content>try all sorts of combinations of recruits and aborted weird route scenarios>datamine everything>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvupweIpPchow would you react?
>>4146509With Kris, always
>>4146510That's rough.Okay but he wouldn't make Noelle cry!
>>4146509K and it's not even close
>>4146509K. Asgore would make a good conversation partner, and I'm sure Rudy knows the timing for supplementary quips.
>>4146512>no shadow crystal boss, no egg, no weird route, no starwalkerAnon-san, ch5 made it clear that this was their last time, even the moss was the last oneWhat's left is the payoff and how raped we will feel if the reward isn't worth it
>>4146526toby has the golden chance to hide something no one was expecting, and he has the chance to fuck it up by doing nothing
currently leaning into castle town cliffs or the other unused classroom as the dark world for chapter 6coming to terms in advance I'll not see a holiday related dark world (mansion/town hall/hospital) in advance
>>4146531>Toby MUST be lying to me otherwise I'll be raped!We're reaching new ways of getting off.
>>4146486It added the conspiracy shit I never asked for
>>4146487>I catch your groomy shit near my kid, I will hurt youYou will never reproduce I have nothing to worry about
>>4144923Halfbread was the only theorist I genuinely respected for how much effort he put into combing the game for hints and patterns.The tragedy is that it was a completely wrong approach to how the story is being told.
>>4146531The most possible ultra secret would be the twisted / third route, yes it's a popular theory nowadays but it would be an actual shock if anything simiilar happens, but also people prefer to be raped than entertain that idea
>>4146541finding hidden shit has always been a staple of UTDR since the 2013 demo, giving up on that now would be disappointing (but not out of character to be fair)
>>4146537I think there's good odds we could return to Kris' house dark world. Tenna made it a TV world when it was originally a place of the same dark dusty cliffs we see in the beginning of the dark worlds, and Nowhere is still in there. Maybe this is what the "you'll be surprised at what was missing" was all about....That, and the possibility the last shelter code is with Toriel
>>4146542...I wonder what the game would be without the conspiracy.No Kris making fountains means no Ch3 and Ch5 is at best radically different.No Metal Deer Solid in Ch4.Susie remains her Scarlet Forest /Dark Castle Prison self.What else changes?
>>4146553So betterI hated that sequence in ch4 with a passion, my comments on that are infamous
>>4146549>two codes left>one is with carol>the other is unknownwill 6 rush to get both or will he stretch that plotline into 7?
>>4146543You admit you ruined my stuff
>>4146557What the fuck did I do to you? I never made a game in my life.
>>4146555Not like it matters, the game punishes you for even trying to deal with thatAnd of course this whole thread supports it because you're malicious
>>4146548One thing that is weird and very specific is how ch5 made so many side content end like Starwalker, and these were Kris specific things, surely Tobert is preparing something and not rape us with nothingAlmost feels like something will happen to Kris
>>4146555Probably get them all in 6. I suspect Chapter 7's entire set up is that it doesn't exist yet. Going from Side B's insert disk screen and Gerson saying the rest of the story was never written
>>4146561>surely Tobert is preparing something and not rape us with nothingLet me tell you a story about a naive fan who get excited once the 3+4 OST leaked and he saw the song title "Mike, the BOARD please!"...
Gen zoomers when their indie media has non-provlematic kid-appropriate horror and secrvt lore and le hecking existential dread and a purple polygon shaped character with sexy eyesThat's why deltarune will always be a masterpiece, its not afraid to deal with mature topics like sexual assault through Toby raping the player
>>4146567Oot remake alone will blow your freak show out of the water
It's the raped and gaped hours alright
>>4146573robert "radiation" fox RAPES my ass while jingling WINGDING keys in front of my face
>>4146570Mario Titans will mog it
Can Mario defeat the Knight?
chapter 6 release date predictions NOW>early on the year>another gay sweltering summer for the third time in a row>inexplicable late 2027 release>2028 doomGODS
>>4146583Only if his QPU is aligned
>>4146565Kek, i remember when i saw breath and black knife, i wasn't a kris knight guy, but those fucking names were edgy and cool as fuck
>>4146561you couldn'tfindyour hand
>>4146592I tried to avoid looking at much, I remember I was confused at all the boards but immediately getting what "hammer of justice" was
I wanna shoot Susie in the back of the head, doubt much would change up there with a bullet or two between that stupid dykes eyes, her brain shrinks by the minute to ruin everything.
>>4146610I need Susie to survive and kiss Noelle onscreen after defeating Gaster McProphecy.I don't care about the ship but anons crying make me diamond
>>4146280anon you know official art isn't canon and is for shitposting only
>>4146613I want them to kiss passionately after ditching Kris and calling him a horrible person after they find out what he was doingI want every fag here to feel that kind of pain
>>4146618>Maybe....Kris was the shittiest person.Your reaction?
>>4146621>"god I can't wait to browse /v/ after this"
>>4146621>immediately alt tab to 4chan, dick in hand
gonna be real, I check out so hard out of kris shipping after 3-4 when I got to the lake scene I was only thinking "holy shit it's the arg thing" instead of focusing on the cucking there
>>4146613>>4146618So much for there not being actual suselle shills in this threadYou actively strive for worseWhy can't you just keep your homo shit to yourselves instead of forcing it onto everyone else
>>4146636>suselle shillsI don't like suselleI hate all these teenagerswhat I want is revenge against the fags here
>>4146631You're playing it wrong.I did the same though...
>>4146639You're the fag, you want faggotry in everything
>>4146618>ditchingI know people only focuses on the shipping aspect, but Susie mental health kinda depends on Kris, i would even argue she is ignoring that Kris opened the fountain
>>4146643she is already replacing him with noelle anyway
>>4146644Not really. Remember, her very first action during the Festival is to recruit Kris for the date. Then she default to all of his choices.
>>4146643It's ok Robert kinda forgot about that tooFor 3 chapters he kinda forgotThis is the future you actively support and you call me crazy for telling you what will happen if you defend it
>>4146631Yeah it was amazing but we won't know what the fuck happened until we get to 7b, so not much to talk about it compared to drama slop
Does CoL actually think Dragon Quest and Zelda are under attack if Deltarune succeeds?
>>4146653Yes, he's completely delusional. He's of the sincere belief UTDR are responsible for the way Final Fantasy 7 Remake turned out, because he genuinely thinks the reason Aerith's death is subverted is because "she realized she's in hit game Final Fantasy 7 and used that knowledge to not die."
>>4146644>>4146650If Kris vs Susie literally only last 2 minutes and they go back being friends like nothing, then i will understand why you feel raped, but right now we just have to wait until something cool or raped happens with that plot
>>4146628>>4146625Wouldn't the rest of the fandom have a much bigger reaction considering how much of dindu nuffin Kris is in their eyes?
>>4146657Is that not what the game was?
>>4146659I don't fucking care about them. You're all I need.
>>4146658I have done my waiting. After the publicity stunt in Noelles house in chapter 4. I had to wait a full year for the chance to actually do something about that.And nothing was done, the hack writers just did that again.I was not rewarded for waiting.
>>4146662You didn't wait until the game was done for game-ending solutions, that's part of the problem.
>>4146664Walking left to the place the game told me to go twice should be an endgame thing.It's retarded, might as well not mention it at all
>>4146660As far as I'm aware, no. The only characters with an awareness of how shit is "supposed to go" are the time ghost guys, everything going off the rails is just some pretty standard "defying fate" stuff.
>>4146666Resolving the conflict with Kris ends the game. Demanding to "do something" about the premise of the game, before the ending, is asking to be able to end the game early.
>Ah Kris, you procured the last crystal, truly an amazing feat, now give it give it!>now please>Come back tomorrow, i have a surprise that surely will be very, very interesting!The only thing that will make the entire fandom, not just here, feel raped
>>4146659That's actually a good point.After 3-4 many Kris and Ralsei defenders got full of shit and went "Of course they weren't evil! How could you think that!" with their respective pity scenes. But I don't think things will be this simple.Not about being evil, but I'm convinced both will appear much more morally gray when we finally get to know their real intentions.
>>4146669i'd feel very I TOLD YOU if this shit actually happens lol
>>4146669imagine if this gets paired with 6 not having a single extra boss
>>4146659Kinda, they hate kris slash theory and the eram dialogue
>>4146670Toby has time and again robbed people of the evil they want his games to be about condemning. Flowey isn't evil, the player isn't evil even when doing genocide, Chara isn't evil, King isn't evil. So I think you might be spot on. Kris and Ralsei aren't meant to be judged about whether they're "evil", but about the merit of their specific goals and actions.
>>4146670And fandom, as we know, literally can't comprehend grey areas or moral ambiguity. They're going to seethe that Kris isn't an uwu cinnamon roll who's being exploited by Knight against his will, that he really IS at fault for THAT DAY in some capacity and that his guilt is founded on some degree of truth.
>>4146667>seven seconds until the endFuck that shit.They're lucky I'm not the biggest fan of final fantasy 7 and don't care enough.But this shite can target what I actually love, that concerns me.>>4146668End the game early, I dont care. Back in my day, games were released as finished products. I'm fucking exhausted, ch4 and chapter 5 felt like a waste of my time, the exact opposite of the adventure I wanted from this game.I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.And to hear the freaks in this thread say it was a good thing that nothing was actually accomplished for multiple real-life years makes me angrier than anything else. You're evil if you warp and subvert my entertainment and demand I call it normal, and I don't want to see this shite in the next game I play. It is your fault more than any hack writer, because you support it.
>>4146679Did you mean to reply to me? I don't see what this has to do with my post other than mentioning FF7
>>4146672Toby only mentioning the boss of the chapter fills me with dread
>>4146679>BUT I WANT MY CONCLUSION NOWWWWWWWChapter 7. It'll happen whenever it's done, not when you get "tired" of waiting. Your tiredness is irrelevant.
>>4146683Then MOVE. Move like you'll be shot if you don't. Put something that's actually valuable in the other chapters if you intend me to do anything but skip straight to the last one
>>4144926>>4146545Imagine praising a guy who uses AI to voice his videosJust speak into a fucking microphone ffs. Don't care how good his theory is, I ain't watching that slop
>>4146684You can't rush creativity.>but I want value!!!!Your definition of value is not shared by the developers or playerbase.
>>4146685>AI to voiceIT'S TTS YOU NEWFAGa most sacred tradition of youtube after notepad tutorials with royalty free music
>>4146685Bait or retarded, call it now.
>>4146690With most of the schizos we have, it could be genuine retardation.
>>4146687The writers are clearly not rushing at allThey have no intent on letting me make actual progress at all. I hate it, change it, make sure I never see this shit again.
>>4146692Your definition of "actual progress" requires we go back like three chapters and redo them at this point, so yeah, of course Toby isn't going to validate that.
>>4146682I joke about it but I'm just not ready for 6 to be a complete nothing burger like what it seems to be so far.It's already bad enough he keeps finding excuses (or not even that) to dodge shit that is actually meaningful to play like more bosses.
>>4146695>shit that is actually meaningful to play like more bosses>this part of the game is Real Content and the rest isn't
>>4146694Why not, chapter 4 and 5 were miserable. I hated playing them and the tiniest cutscene and dialogue changes would fix the problem.
>>4146696yes toby, if I'm feeling like playing a platformer I'll totally pick up chapter 5 and not mario or sonic or hollow knight or
>>4146697Then you didn't hate playing them, you hate a few bits of the writing.>but that makes me hate the gameplay!Sounds like mental illness. Inability to compartmentalize, all-or-nothing thinking. Sort of like how you correlate straightness to how many dungeons are in a game and whether you're allowed to "really" beat them.
>>4145978In fact the game actually tracks if you tried to attack him or not so if you did, your save is bricked
>>4146337Springtrap can't die except by fire so the Knight's screwed unless it calls for help
I got the Hd2d remakes of Dragon Quest 1-3 when they came out To a big shock to this thread, they actually had all their content packed in on release, instead of making some excuse to why you need to wait a year or five to maybe get one of the items to make the rainbow bridge.>>4146700The writing made playing them miserable, because I knew the whole time I was going in the wrong direction and I could not ignore it. There is no adventure as a result.
>go to pizzeria that is well known for selling pizza>ask for a burger>don't get a burger because it's a pizzeria>WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!? THE OWNER OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT HE NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED FOR SUBVERTING BURGERS!!! WHY THE FUCK CAN'T I GET A BURGER FROM THE PIZZERIA!!! IM ENTITLED TO BEING SERVED BURGERS!!! AAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS PIZZERIA IS LITERALLY RAPING MEEEEEE!!!!
>>4146706>comparing already finished games to an ongoing game>the writing makes everything miserable (because I refuse to compartmentalize)Mental illness, yep yep.
ERAM will appear and save ch6 making it worth it and SHE will be amazing and fun, it's gonna be so awesome and hype moments and aura vros
>>4146711Should have finished your game from the start, would have prevented it from aging like milk with each releaseDid you know that the ralsei plush is 36 dollars now instead of 32 like the game says
>>4146715>all games should be what I want, no games should be anything elseYEP YEP
>>4146715>$4 extra dollars for a product that is noticeably smaller than the early releaseslynch this hack
>>4146711What do you mean compartmentalize?
MEW MEW AQUAnow that I have your attention,>>4146714chapter 6 will just be a repeat of chapter 4 but>no first sanctuary equivalent, just the bore of the 2nd and 3rd sanctuaries>even less new darkners that aren't generic toads>laser focused into main 4 party member drama>zero extra content
>>4146710Until the guys making burgers listen to the pizzeria across the street and take out what I liked about burgers to begin with to spit on their customers
>>4146710>go to pizzeria that is well known for selling pizza>ask for their classic pepperoni pizza with extra cheese>there is no cheese at all>there are barely any pepperoni slices>it's full of anchovies they didn't advertise>the dough was charred>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T GET THE GENIUS VISION OF THIS PIZZA>YOU'RE JUST MAD YOU DIDN'T GET THE PIZZA THAT YOU IMAGINED>YOU'RE A SECONDARY WHO CAN'T READ AND GOT RAPED
>>4146733It'll also be reheated Chapter 2 nachos with Noelle's character arc where she needs to learn to stand up to her homophobic bitch mother after practicing on her quirk chungus homosupportive not-mother.
>>4146738>[Toby Fox] is well known for selling [games where nothing is any different from what the genre standard was in 1990]
>>4146742>>[Toby Fox] is well known for selling [[a game that repeated a predictable formula 4 out of 5 times and did the same in the first 2 chapters of the next game]]
>>4146741And in the end, Carol will apologize and tell Noelle what happened THAT DAY but just before revealing anything important, the Knight kidnaps her
>>4146744The best parts of Undertale were the ones that weren't perfectly matched to the formula, and Deltarune was already by that point about defying fate, and was expressing it through defiance of formula. Susie kinda beats you over the head with it.
>>4146747And only NOW will Susie treat Knight like a serious threat again because it directly affects her due to directly affecting Noelle's mental state, and Susie can't have her precious heartbeat girl having an insanity spiral over the fact that she's probably feeling like this is her punishment for wanting change, so the world answered her desire by killing her dad and taking away her mom, making sure she has NO family left whatsoever.
>>4146748>The best parts of Undertale were the ones that weren't perfectly matched to the formulasuch as
>>4146742The genre standard was murdered by him never to be revived, don't you dare try and pretend otherwise
>>4146750True lab, Omega Flowey, Hotland hitting you with two main areas followed by New Home being mostly an extended cutscene.
>>4146752I also feel like I should explicitly mention genocide as a formula break with good effect, even though it seems preposterous that anyone would play dumb about that.
>>4146738This is a dogshit analogy given that i have no clue what thing you're even complaining about. Chapter 5 is... bad? How? This analogy sure as hell isn't analogizing it.
>>4146752>True lab, Omega Flowey, You're actually telling me you spent 90% of the game thinking "this sucks" until the very final bits blew your socks away?>Hotland hitting you with two main areasWow, expanding the formula with new elements sure is the exact same thing as ignoring the formula or outright mocking it.>New Home being mostly an extended cutscene.Wow, so amazing all that important backstory about the royals was dumped right before the end instead of being spread out across the game.
>>4146744Is that what you want? Repeating a predictable formula, forever?
>>4146753>first area you max out your kills, creepy music starts playing and you kill the main boss with one hit>second area several cutscenes are different, you max out your kills, creepy music starts playing and you kill the main boss with one hit>third area several cutscenes are different, you max out your kills, creepy music starts playing and OOOOHH the boss is actually super strong>fourth area several cutscenes are different, you max out your kills, creepy music starts playing and OOOOHH the boss is actually super str- no wait you kill it with one hit again
>>4146756Yeah, if I like the free sample I'll buy the whole thing expecting more of what I enjoyed about the free sample.>forever?I'd eventually get bored, and when that happens I'd just go look for something else to play.
>>4146756Yes your job is to produce entertainment, not propaganda against the traditional jrpg
>>4146755>dumped right before the end instead of being spread out across the game.le loredumps are badplotdesign despite that the reason new home resonates with anyone at all is because it's a loredump.
>>4146755No, I spent 90% of the game enjoying it but feeling it was a little rigid, and those moments (at more like the 70% and 90% marks) reassured me that it wasn't stiff out of a lack of writing confidence but as an intentional choice.>expanding the formula with new elementsWhen it's immediately followed by taking away from what would've otherwise been the next instance of that formula, it looks like it was done for pacing and not because Toby wanted the formula to progress to having two areas per "zone" from now on.>Wow, so amazing all that important backstory about the royals was dumped right before the endIn a game where you're almost certainly going to play more than once, yeah, I think this is fine, it again seemed quite intentional.
>>4146759>propaganda against the traditional jrpgWe're back to "NOT SELLING BURGERS AT THE PIZZERIA IS RAPING ME" again.
>>4146760I never really liked the Dreemurr side of the story that much. I just didn't complain about it like I do for Deltarune crap because Undertale succeded in giving me other things to care about.
>>4146761>no you don't get, it's supposed to be shit
>>4146757Genocide bypassing the majority of the game, faking you out with a sudden hard boss, then faking you out when it looks like that's going to happen again, then faking you out AGAIN with the otherwise unfightable sans, does in fact look like you're spiraling away from the formulaic elements of Undertale.
>>4146767I'm still pissed about not getting Mettaton NEO and Omega Asgore.I would have enjoyed geno MORE if it had been more formulaic and predictable.
>>4146765Like what? Worrying about making sure the best outcome in your opinion "happens" in your save file?
>>4146769I wouldn't have. More geno fights would be nice but putting one or two more big fights into genocide would kind of destroy what little pacing the game still has by that point.
>>4146769>I don't give a SHIT about the narrative i want more hype moments and aura!!!This is the kind of person who complains about chapter 5 being character-focused.
>>4146770>Like what?"Damn, can't wait to see who the next funny guys will be!""Damn, can't wait for another soul mode!""Damn, can't wait to see the new enemies in this area!""Damn, can't wait to see the next boss battle!""Damn, can't wait to listen to more new songs!""Damn, can't wait to talk to the next shopkeeper!""Damn, can't wait to learn more about the lore of this world!"and so on
>>4146760It helps that the Dreemurr tragedy wasn't mandatory to understand the story, it was just extra flavor for Asgore and Toriel to give you an idea of how they ended up where they are in the present beyond an understanding of "humans bad, kill 'em, disagreement, separation." that comes from assuming there was a grudge still being held from the war.And the whole "Undertale didn't take a decade of your life to be complete while actively trickling out its story" thing, but that's more on the lesser side.
>>4146773yeah, focused on the characters acting like retards who pretend nothing happened on the previous dayand by characters I don't only mean the main party>complains about chapter 5it was my favorite among the new ones, still mediocre
>>4146775>I like the characters and the world and the shopkeepers and the gameplay but I would NEVER EVER engage with the plotWow, that sounds sad.
>>4146779The plot is actively stalling.>>4146764If no one sells burgers after the pizzeria shows up, I'm blaming the pizzeria.
>>4146781Then it sounds like the problem is that burgers went stale for the majority, and the majority, who decide what stays in vogue and what goes due to carrying the largest vocal and spending presence, wanted something new.
>>4146779>the plotwhich was>frisk wants to get out of this hole>monsters want to get out of this hole and need frisk's soul>entire plot is about monster government employees hunting down frisk (doing it poorly most of the time) and frisk defeating them through whatever means>also some random fucks trying to kill you for bullshit reasons
>>4146782I could always blame you for taking my burgers away, because you actively support them being taken away.
>>4146785And if you liked>learning more about the lore of this world!Then you'd perhaps be interested in the events that led to the monsters being one human soul away from escaping the barrier or wanting to go to war with humanity in the first place. Instead you stayed laser focused on the wellbeing of Your Guy and making sure Your Guy got to win.
>>4146786You can. But ultimately, because burgers failed to innovate to stay fresh and interesting and keep customers coming back for more, the majority grew tired of them, and wanted something new, so they started preferring pizzas while they left burgers in the dust.
>>4146787>Instead you stayed laser focused on the wellbeing of Your Guy and making sure Your Guy got to win.It's a video game.
>>4146787I'd be interested, too bad that part was really convoluted and too saccharine for my taste.
>>4146787The intro already spelled it out, there was a war, humans won, banished monsters with a spell, monsters are clearly still upset about that and wish to see the sun again, and get revenge on humanity for being banished.You don't get to actually learn anything about the humans who fell before you, just items that presumably belonged to them before their grim ends, so it's just "I want my character to succeed so he doesn't end up like them" fuel.
>>4146789That means people who like burgers are fucked for the crime of liking burgers You have no business telling them not to complain when you're the reason they have nothing
>>4146790No anon, you don't get it! Naughty dog makes the superios games that are real art!It's a genius move to follow up on pipis mansion and solo Spamton NEO with 3 entire chapters worth of nothing but cutscenes for the weird route!
>>4146794I would never get a game from naughty dog
>>4146793It's not a crime though? It's just that you're old-fashioned, and refuse to get with the times, even though barely anyone is making burgers anymore because they're such a niche thing, and those who do try to make them usually suck at it unless it's one of the old cooks who still knows somewhat how to do it, but has degraded in the ability to do so due to the consequences of being old.
>>4146790And? How does that affect your ability to process the story?>well, if I have a Guy, then the only things that matter are things that effect my GuyNo?>>4146791Fair enough.>>4146792You get to learn what traits they had where you have determination, you can put together basic information about their demeanor based on the bullets and soul mode associated with their color. "I want my Guy to win" is a ridiculous way to engage with a story.
>>4146790>>4146791>>4146792>only engaging with the games at the most banal levelDo anons really?
>>4146796You would never ask these new fans of pizza who trampled all over my burgers to concede anythingWhy am I the one that needs to concede everything and force my own tastes to change or worse, demand I call it normal
>>4146801You are dependent upon the whims of what people want to create and people who once liked to eat burgers largely went on to make pizza anyway.
>>4146801>burgers? no thanks, i prefer pizza>AAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH YOU ARE LITERALLY FUCKING KILLING ME AND MY BURGERS I HATE YOU
>>4146800go read a book you pretentious piece of shitdon't act like you're in an ivory tower for take the game with adventure time tier writing seriously
>>4146804>you don't ignore 90% of the media you choose to engage with?>ew, you're pretentious>go read a book
>>4146804>adventure timeNah, Undertale doesn't detract away from Frisk's story to go follow some random glup shitto who was a nameless NPC from the Ruins.It's closer to Steven Universe, where things can ONLY happen when the protagonist is there to be a part of them, unless it relates to what's happening with the villain(s) in situations unrelated to confronting the hero.
>>4146803But you did, and you celebrated that fact, you gloat about that openly whenever I say I want a new burger and I can't find one because they got replaced by people who hate them
>>4146804I don't think you should be arguing about a games narrative when you specifically said that you don't care about the narratives of games.
>>414680690% of UT was the set pieces you find along the way, not le goat drama that was mostly shoved at the end
>>4146810But you don't understand, he likes some small part of the game and that means the rest of it has to contort to fit.
>>4146808This is because every day you walk into the pizzeria to shit and piss all over the floor because you didn't get served a burger. Perhaps you should stop doing this.
>>4146810I care about game narratives being enjoyable rompsI also care about game narratives not being pretentious crap that brings everything else about said game down
>>4146807oh, and susie is steven in this case because kris clearly is doing shit behind the scenes that (you) and her are not privy to hell, in some cases it's even worse than su when toby pulls shit like the final tragedy being just precisely off screen so everyone except for (you) knows what it is and thus never speaks about it
>>4146811The set pieces have more relevance than being funny diversions. The ones that are just funny diversions are generally kinda slogs.
>>4146815>games are supposed to be FUN, any feeling that isn't FUN is out of place, story isn't FUN
>>4146814Your benefactor said he only sold pizza because he's tired of burgers, so tired that he had to ruin it for everyone else. Thats a threat.
>>4146819If I pay, the game is required as fun as I want it to be, or the money will stop
>>4146821He didn't say that second part nor does it naturally follow from the first.
>>4146821He didn't deliberately ruin it for everyone else. Everyone else decided pizzas were awesome and that burgers were outdated.Your ire towards the provider is solely because he elicited a majority response that's in significant favor of the new novelty over the old standard, because guess what, people don't like feeling old, they see their grandparents enjoying burgers and feel old when THEY eat burgers.
>>4146824Return my burgers or I have nothing to enjoy
>>4146825You still have them. They're just in much smaller stock because only a minority enjoy them nowadays. And if you're in a dry spell when it comes to looking for people who are still making burgers, then you still have your classic recipes you can revisit and make for yourself, much like how you still have your classic JRPGs you can revisit and play again.
>>4146825You see, the world doesn't revolve around you.
>>4146818muffet mogs the other mid bosses>>4146819if your game isn't going to be FUN at least advertise it as such>mfw not a single traditional secret boss after spamton
>>4146827>but I didn't enjoy playing those old JRPGs, I enjoyed thinking the devs were making them special just for me, if they aren't still making just as many things special just for me then they want me DEAD
>>4146828I beg to differ
>>4146829A game doesn't cease to be FUN by containing a plot with things to do other than increase your fun. It's just generally meant for people who have fun engaging with a plot too, and not JUST with the gameplay and with being pandered to.
>>4146828The world shouldn't revolve around the pizza guy either
>>4146836It doesn't, though? The pizza guy just got lucky and hit a niche no one else hit before with his product, and then that niche became bigger and bigger until it inspired different kinds of pizza, just like how the original burger's critical success inspired different kinds of burgers.Of course, the pizza still owes itself to the burger in this scenario, because the pizza is comprised of remixed ingredients from the burger, with a scant few substitutes like using dough instead of bread, because the pizza man wanted to do something different with most of his favorite ingredients.
>>4146833>mfw not a single traditional secret boss after spamton because themes and such or whatever
>>4146838They literally worship that fuck and would kill you if you don't support what he's doing
>>4146840Only in first world America from privileged teenagers who've never known hardship in their lives beyond the drama they themselves fabricate, and they see a pasty fuck like themselves and believe they too can make it big one day.You look to the rest of the world and most people are normal about him, and plenty of fuckers hate him, like the hispanics and brazillians.
I miss the schizotheorists...
>>4146839>traditional secret bossThere were fucking TWOYou're complaining that your baby isn't actually larger than the observable universe based on how much he grew in his first month
>>4146827Wonderful. If you ask me about pizza, I'll say the same thing, which is to torch it if you see it. I will never lie and pretend it is normal. And you cannot do anything when I reject it completely.
>>4146845And you'll be regarded as crazy for that, especially since you hang around outside the pizza shop waiting for people to talk positively about pizza so you can butt in and rant about how it's NOT NORMAL and the guy who popularized it needs to be BEHEADED
>>4146843What are you talking about? We've been talking about how the game WILL suck for months?
>>4146849>THEORY!? That's not a theory, that's just...>You think just because something RAPES you...>THAT makes it correct!?
>>4146669Even if you can get the pure crystal, the actual payoff of all this won't come until 7, it's impossible for it to be any other way.
>>4146851>You think just because something RAPES you...>THAT makes it correct!?Doomers were the most accurate when it comes to chapter 5 predictions, so yes.
>>4146855Thus, the pattern won't hold, and chapter 6 will actually be good
>>4146843Theres a new 4 hour schizo theory video about how everything Toby ever did in his life is related to nuclear bombs somehow, and that proves the roaring will be caused by Susiezilla
>>4146775I like how chapter 5 basically made fun of this cheerful anticipation with mew mew.>"Wow! I hope there's a new boss we've not seen before with cool music!"
>>4146856We got three images left so basically I'm going to say,"Toby will subvert all our expectations and make chapter 6 into a flashback and that's all."
>>4146858I rolled my eyes and chuckled.Some people threw their chairs in a fit of rage, cursing at Toby and the heavens.
>>4146653Zelda has already been desacralized and is becoming shit and DQ will follow the moment Horii steps down anyway
>>4146860The summary of chapter 5:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S4Ss5bK-ws
>>4146862Nah, it had everything I wanted.
>>4146858>>4146860It made me want to flay Ralsei alive. Honestly I'm not sure what Toby's planning here, I know the obligatory sad Ralsei moment where he sacrifices himself or some shit is coming, but it's gonna have zero emotional impact for me, at best I will be glad he's gone. I guess Toby didn't mean for the player to hate Ralsei, but if that's the case, why did he make him such a piece of shit? I guess the game wasn't made for people like me.
>>4146863You liked basically playing a parody of chapter 1?Eh, I can dig it
>>4146864>still playing and engaging with it despite the rageIt was made for you, don't worry.
>>4146865Yeah? To be fair I don't know how he could do the avoidant denial nostalgia Dark World without retracing his steps, although I was expecting New Home at its prime.It was fun to see the trio embark on Ch1+ and the parrallels.
>>4146866I'm just not sure if Toby's plan was for me to end up hating every single main character. I guess it can serve as good motivation for doing the weird route.
>>4146869>I guess it can serve as good motivation for doing the weird route.All according to keikaku.Now go drown yourself.
>>4146864Ralsei is the villain, that's it.The one thing Chapter 1 fags will be vindicated on.
>>4146868For me, the lake scene painted everything in a sickly sort of green that highlighted Susie's selfishness and Kris's intense torture.It was fun, undeniably. I connected more with Ralsei over his bitchitudes, and how he just wanted Flowery to stop dragging things out. By the time I got to the end I just couldn't believe how little was actually happening. It was bothering me how little Flowery interacted 1-on-1 with Kris when he should have fuckloads of things to say to him.And then there's the weird route. Even if I don't play it, I know the truth. Noelle will never be happy.All around a bad time, but given Toby said,>I'm glad the chapter resonated so strongly with everyone!I think the bad time was intentional.
>>4146872oh right and ringing tends to resonate.pretty sure toby was using wordplay
>>4146872>Noelle will never be happy.She will, it just won't involve Kris
>>4146872> highlighted Susie's selfishness and Kris's intense torture>I think the bad time was intentional.Yeah.I mean, it's fun to doom and gloom, but the guy wrote "Kris is forced to third wheel the whole date before laying face down on a table right before a new vision appears in the shadow crystal" by accident. >It was bothering me how little Flowery interacted 1-on-1 with Kris when he should have fuckloads of things to say to him.It's about trustworthiness I think?He knows Kris is playing double (triple?) trucies, so he's doing the "I'm not mad, just disappointed" big brother routine while he actually encourages the others two.
>>4146877It won't involve Susie either, I swear it on the Angel.
>>4146877Sure, but if it's not with Kris then we'd be offscreen and never know about it anyway.
>>4146871>Ralsei is the villain, that's it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGcn91OHOPAHe's probably the last main Boss. His room is at the far end of the Chapter Boss floor.
>>4146293Maddie will not join Mew in Castle Town because she will be busy taking care of the flowers.
>>4146884No one will be able to protect Pink from NTR...
>>4146885Pink will be too sad that Maddie won't join that she will spend all the time in Castle Town crying.Rouxls will try to flirt with her and he will be kicked into orbit.
You people do realize that if the theory about Ralsei being a titan is correct, he directly lied about what they are? It means killing them really is murder.
>>4146892>he directly lied about what they are? It means killing them really is murder.Then is it ever a good thing for everyone that actually played the game and went through the mandatory encounter on all routes that you don't kill the Titan, isn't it you fucking faggot.
>>4146892>Titan was still forming when we defeated it>lesser incarnations are called "SPAWNS">Deltarune is a woke gameAbortions don't count as murder, and Darkners don't count as people, so...
>>4146893>the mandatory encounter on all routes that you don't kill the TitanThe one that ends with dropping the equivalent of an antimatter nuke inside its belly?
>>4146895Sealing and banishing isn't killing.Congratulations on eating the bait you retard.
>>4146896Thanks!
I understand it's pointless, but there is nothing that sickens me so deeply as much as people that don't actually play videogames.Even if it's entirely my own fault that I expose myself to them.
>>4146892It probably depends if a Titan can truly become sentient on it's own rather than through external interference.
>>4146900>Even if it's entirely my own fault that I expose myself to them.Without you I wouldn't get my schadenfreude fix so it's okay.
>>4146892Ralsei is literally an impossibility per Flowery's own words, implying Titans that aren't touched by the hand of God to become the new Lonely Prince literally can't ever become sapient enough to comprehend the concept of mercy and choose compassion.
Even more trve and honest 7B leaks.
mpreg ralsei through ralseispawn
>>4146907Ralsei can shapeshift so he can actually have a vagina, making it not mpreg.
>>4146908You cannot shapeshift away your penis.
>>4146910To be fair I'm not sure Ralsei even has a dick. Sexual traits aren't needed to be a boy if no one check.
>>4146910If you're a shapeshifter you can.
>>4146864>I lost ALL SYMPATHY for Ralsei after he BROKE MY IMMERSION by pointing out the diagetic existence of BATTLE THEMES.You people are just making shit up to get mad at. That or all of you are schizophrenics with BPD.
>>4146920>you peopledon't be so racist. we are all denizens of the internets
>>4146459God, I love seeing HMOFAfags be humiliated and raped.
>>4146509H
>>4146561Kris will become the next Knight while we switch to the Vessel.
>>4146659Kris becoming the next Knight will rape them anyways.
The Legend of Zelda is also a very subversive franchise. If you think about it, the title says it's Zelda's legend, but the main character is Link. Quite the tricky subversion.
>>4146669Absolutely no secret boss or payoff to it would be the ultimate rape but I genuinely don't know what part of the ruins could a secret boss mirror
>>4146685Toby himself uses text-to-speech
>>4146714>>4146733Sex with both Aqua and Dark Aqua
>>4146939Sex with both Dark World loli Kris and Evil loli Kris*
>Chapter 6 ending vs the Knight>the Knight is kneeling, wheezing and glitching out in front of the heroes>suddenly...>999999999 red circular vertical slash kills the Knight>"....Greetings."Your reaction?
>>4146787Of course I would care more about what happens to my wife.
>>4146942Actually laugh if anything remotely close of the Knight getting beaten happens, like jobbing to the wall
>>4146942>The (You) self insert from undertale who knows Asriel but not Kris appears outta nowhere>Everyone confused>Me too>So I fall asleep
>>4146843We're literally all Battat though.
>>4146948>>4146843I'm still here and I claim the title of biggest fucking schizo with real-world implications of the end of the world coinciding with deltarune releases
>>4146859>three images leftAnon, there's 52 images left.
>>4146950Why do you have to say "Anon" in the beginning of a phrase that's so annoying shut the fuck up
>>4146951Anon, are you okay anon? Anon calm downAnon
>>4146953SHUT UP *fight* *slash* *fight* *slash* *fight* *slash*
>>4146906Why aren't they being used up?
>>4146942Clap and furiously masturbate.
>>4146947>The (You) self insert from undertaleThere's no character like that in Undertale though.
>>4146958I gotta level with ya',(You) are the fallen child. You named him, it's (You). It's just (You).
>>4146951Nonny~
>>4146959Chara explicitly says she isn't you when you finish genocide.
Chapter 7b will be a disappointing nothing Burger that permanently locks you out of the super ultra deluxe golden ending, and the entire fandom will rape you for complaining about it because "why are you expecting a reward for doing bad things lol?" Because they're delusional and cant distinguish fiction from reality
>>4146973It will be a something burger but you're completely right about the rest.
>>4146973>permanently locks you out of the super ultra deluxe golden endingNo such thing
>>4146714Eram is going to be a sick ass dragon Dracula looking thing though and will actually be echidnaAlso sjelter chapter 6
>>4146843I have one>knight is a being of pure darkness with dess' soul larping as her to rug pull both Kris (who thinks it's actually a fucked yo form of dess) and the audience(dessknight fags who they're "correct" and want their dommy goth mommy knight)>they kidnapped asgore and undyne to turn them into more knights like the 3 titans during the ralsei roaring explanation in chapter 6
>>4146981>Kris is Toby's self insert. Got cucked, has a brother who did game dev stuff, plays piano, Kris losing his hand being a parallel to Toby's hand issues, and Ralsei and Rals >All those Toby will kill himself theories are technically right, but it'll be his self insert instead. He'll kill himself at the end of chapter 6 due to the utter humiliation ritual the last 2 chapters were with the seeds>And so the world was covered in darkness
White people when you take away their mad mew mew yams
>>4146843i couldnt piece my last theory together well outside of pattern spotting so i kinda stopped giving a shit and just come here to write some form of "toby fox raped me"
>>4146973I'll rape you for complaining because why the fuck would you not consider the possibility after genocide route ending? You'd have to be a special kind of retarded to not see this entirely predictable possibility.
https://youtu.be/_i38axKfJMs
>>4146989Black people when you take away their Blue yams.
>>4146997Genocide at least had iconic hype moments and aura, fucking deltarunes gonna be some underwhelming B's, I can smell it
>>4147006You will get hype moments and aura through the hometown massacre, trust
>>4146973>bad thingsNoelle wanted it. I wanted it. Fuck Side A.
Man, what a funny guy, with unique sense of humor, that's why I play deltarune. Classic toby
>>4147008Me with Frisk and Deltarune!Frisk
>>4147021Am I autistic or something? Cause I can't detect any joke here, just Toby answering a simple question.
>>4147021Sometimes, you need to let your inhibitions go quiet. I for one consider Spongebob a sexual deviant and offender.
>>4147021Cheez-its are great.
>>4147032It's like the opposite of bathos (silly topic taking a random swerve into biblical gravitas) which is unexpected and funny
>>4146998It's pretty lame how the fandom latched on to the idea of "what if Kris and Noelle actually commited suicide" scenario for the WR and keep writing these scenarios where the characters are grieving, not that it's wrong but it's this same dead end scenarios that cannot be elaborated beyond the basic idea. It makes for some very unimaginative fanfics that go nowhere.
>>4147040They don't want to even dare imagine that the weird route might lead somewhere. They need to treat it as a dead end because if it isn't then that challenges the supremacy of being nice to everyone.
>>4147041I don't think that's the issue it's moreso this fandom has no creativity or the little creativity it has is being squandered by the fear of their vision getting mocked when the canon game is releasedWe have just a handful of lame scenarios the fans thought of>Kris and Noelle commited suicide, game over>Hometown Massacre Genocide 2 electric boogaloo Kriselle edition>Meat factory spritesheet whoooaaa we're in a game this is crazyLike come on is this the best we can do?
>>4147044No, a refusal to make anything positive happen in the weird route is absolutely part of the problem. They don't even want to imagine that what it reveals will have relevance to the rest of the game. They want to make it genocide 2: yes, what it reveals is canon and helps you understand the characters, but you're NOT supposed to play it.Never mind that the idea you weren't supposed to play genocide is already wrong.
>>4147040Some people just want to write angst, that's all. Plus depending on when 7B takes place the characters might genuinely believe this for awhile.
>>4146618
>>4147044>>Hometown Massacre Genocide 2 electric boogaloo Kriselle editionI like this but with Kriselle dying and we doing it with the Vessel.
>>4146844>fucking TWOreheated undertale nachos
>>4147046I feel like Kris will make it in the end of 7B. Sure he'll heavily fucked up but it'll probably be a better ending for him than in 7A
>>4147046I do think the WR should be a tradeoff where some good things happen and some bad things happen. Maybe Susie is deleted from the game or something, maybe Kris is deleted, etc, the consequences can be positive to some but negative to others moreso in a gray way. It doesn't help that the frame of reference we have is Genocide where literally everything explodes and everyone dies in the end so people have a very ingrained notion the secret creepy route can't possibly have anything good in it.The idea playing Geno makes you le evil is stupid but it's almost inevitable in a fandom with this many children and people who are so bad at understanding a meta narrative
>>4146844you're celebrating that your baby was born with mental retardation because it subverted your expectations
>>4147057I didn't expect more secret bosses to be more Spamton/Jevil so no, I'd say my expectations weren't subverted at all.
>>4147051>you were used up
>>4147062>gerson telling him it'll work out in the end
>>4147062>you were used up>you>YOU>not KrisIt's going to be fun to see Kris laughing while the SOUL is punished for being naughty
>>4146865>parody of chapter 1?>>4146868>Ch1+ and the parrallels.Where the FUCK do you guys see "card kingdom" in chapter 5 besides the recycled assets?Almost everything in the actual plot line and characters draws much more from 2 and 3.
>>4146884>the best possible scenario for herplease don't give me hope
>>4146858>haha FUCK YOU for wanting another Jevil>now excuse me, I have to give even more yaoi bait to my dear fujos
>>4147077We got a new secret boss with unique music. You're upset because it wasn't a crazy guy who hinted cryptically about the direction of the game.
>>4147068>Spamton directly contradicting Gerson.>>4147073Kris looks away when that line shows up so no, he even knows it's about him.
>>4147079>new secret boss I know both fuckers there since 2015.>with unique musicAnd in this situation this IS a problem because he couldn't bother referencing the UT switch trailer music, Dummy or Mad Mew Mew in the songs.At least Gerson had the grace of appropriately using Undyne's stuff.>You're upset because it wasn't a crazy guy who hinted cryptically about the direction of the game.Yes that's the whole fucking point, it's the forth fucking time the game rubbed in my face it was never going to do the thing I liked from the demo ever again.
>>4147085>it's not a brand new character DESIGN do it doesn't matter that it is a new characterLmao.>the music doesn't reference the right things so it isn't a secret bossLmao.>YES I SPECIFICALLY DID WANT FOUR CRYPTIC CRAZY GUYSLMAO.
>>4147048Posting this image as a counter to detox.
>>4147092Okay, Susie is not THAT fat
>>4147088It's nota fuckingnew characterit's the same mad dummy and the same mew mew from 2015, doing the same gimmick fusion from 2018
>>4147044As if the niggers here can come up with anything better. Best I've seen from these threads is weird route somehow unlocking NG+ and you realize how retarded that is if you spend just a few seconds thinking about it.
>>4147095Mad Mew Mew did not exist as a character until the Switch release of 2018. Mew Mew was only an in-lore character. You did not know them in 2015.
>>4147085Technically it does right before the first vocal part so it's so fucking faint that it doesn't matterhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68yrxYtGLtw
>>4147035My wife so cute...
>>4147094She would be if Ralsei didn't cut her off from his cauldron after just one cake in Chapter 2.
>>4147100I was force fed extensive information about her by Alphys for years up to now. She was not a novelty in the slightest (specially considering how she barely says anything, Pink was mostly the ghost talking.)The last completely unprecedented character was likely Ramb and that was in the first half of the game, the window for that sort of stuff is officially over now.
>>4147095>I NEED A NEW CHARACTER DESIGN OR IT ISN'T A NEW CHARACTERYou know Papyrus is going to be a new character when we meet him too, right? He won't just be a walking bundle of Undertale references. You know that, right?... oh god, are people holding out for Papyrus because they think he'll be the straightforward Undertale pandering they've been waiting for?
>>4147044I don't even think board 3 is meant to be a continuation of board 2 due to board 1 existing not really making sense for the weird route
>>4147103Hopes and Dreams called, they want their Barely Audible Leitmotif back
>>4147048>>4147092Both of those are shit.
>>4147108I've been blueballed about this for nearly a decade so far
>>4147040Watch the other videos on that channel. The double suicide is just what the townsfolk think happened. It's more meat factory bullshit.
>>4147111>t. Berdly
>>4147073>>4147082Wouldn't the soul "get used up" too if Kris was
>>4147108If Papyrus is a new character it's bad because we already know Papyrus so he's not noveldyIf Papyrus is full of Undertale pandering it's bad because that's recycling content and not new and interestingIf Papyrus doesn't appear it's bad because the fandom was blue balled
>>4147085Mad Mew Mew is actually in Cutie Mew Mew Magic, just very subtly, but 5 in general really refused to add Undertale motifs to almost anyone.
>>4147117yes you nailed itpapyrus is already fucked because of a pointless decade long blue balling + over reliance on reheated undertale nachos since chapter 4
>>4147113>spoilerWhat's "bullshit" about the meat factory anon? Mad that 7B might "waste time" on meta stuff when it could focus more on offering hype moments and aura?
>>4147119Or alternativelyPapyrus is fine because he was never supposed to be an EPIC UNDERTALE REFERENCE DISPENSER or a brand new totally novel character design.
>>4147108Right, that's why he's the Forgotten Man
>>4147120I just don't find this flavor of meta interesting. Although this series may be a bit more interesting since it's one of those off-map areas with static NPC models instead of the spritesheet.
>>4147113That looks more Kriselle Knight to me.>>4147115No because the SOUL isn't Kris.
>>4147123anonall those old fanmade takes were chasing the high of "bringing back characters you love for a second hurrah while also introducing a huge new cast of characters"this way you got>"toriel and one of the cops actually doing things + crazy new secret boss who is a microphone/radio/cat/cowboy/whatever">"bishop darkner rulling over the church + catti and jockington are also there">"asgore getting a chance to be cool + whatever his plants turn into"and look what we got>every guest lightner was wasted in some way, even the ones with more narrative importance than berdly>dark worlds barely introduce new characters nowthis + the blueballing will make papyrus will leave a sour taste no matter who he is or what he does
>>4147120Meat factory is hype moments and aura disguised as meta stuffIt means nothing and provides no real meta commentary it's just characters looking shocked and going insane
>>4147129Doesn't really look like the Knight.https://youtu.be/P62p-ipAVKI
susellesisters...
>>4147120I don't want meta shit. I want an actual game in the game
So, what exactly does real, impactful meta commentary look like? I'm curious since there seems to be lots of disagreements about it in this thread.
>>4147127That's fair, but I think you could be making assumptions about the intent of this "type" of meta. The meat factory is probably not going to be entirely taken up by an extended mental breakdown for Kris and Noelle where they learn just how much their reality isn't. Obviously that'll be part of it, but the amount of times the plot has drawn importance to specifically how something "looks" distinct from what it actually is, right down to the mechanics of dark worlds, makes the sprite sheet fucking LOADED with potential interactions.>Can you make a dark world there? Are the sprites treated as distinct objects, or as real instances of the things they represent?>What does copying a sprite and making a goner of it actually look like?>What happens when the sprites are modified? Can the characters notice? Do they feel it?
>>4147137doesn't exist because it's just intelectual masturbation by definition
>>4147130>"bringing back characters you love for a second hurrah while also introducing a huge new cast of characters"I mostly saw "here's my OC interacting with the Undertale cast... and the main characters of Deltarune, I guess". It just looked like people taking the chance to inject more official Toby flavor into what was effectively more Undertale AUs rather than actively trying to make Deltarune content.
>>4147129Look at it again the game screen cuts to static after the "you were used up" line. It's different compared to Noelle getting used up. It reminds me of the insert 7b sequence. Also the first board ends with the tv turning off without static
>>4147143"Deltarune content" at that point meant"lightners get lost in the dark world while some new darkner is introduced to pester them"
>>4147138I would just rather it be an actual place. And the flavor of meta I like is Undertale's "game mechanic is actually diegetic". I'd want Deltarune to go in the direction of "this world is rigid and manufactured, like a video game", but not the full "it's all a game, lmao". Order of the Sinking Star definitely put me into a mood for something like this.
>>4147145Maybe the "was used up" is more metaphorical for the weird route compared to the s rank room. It sort of lines up with what happened in 4 and 5 if it meant no more options.
>>4147151It will be an actual place. It'll be built on top of, or next to, or otherwise have a large portion of its foot area dedicated to the sprite sheet. But the idea that nothing exists out there but thoughtless game constructs with no literal form is just plain shortsighted. Did Kris copy the Seven Flying Aces through sheer force of will, or with a photocopier? Something likely has to exist out there for Gaster to operate through. It won't be as much of a coherent "place" as the light world or any dark world, but I seriously doubt it'll be free floating assets with nothing else as connective tissue.
>>4147134>Suselle and Kriselle are on the same tier Kek
>>4147143That's based
>>4147145>the game screen cuts to static after the "you were used up" line.Because board 2 ended, similar to what happens when you get the ice key. That's the only difference.
people have no yet realized rudy knight is just the current iteration of "evil ralsei"
>>4147157You meant Krusie
>>4147137Good meta commentary to me is when the story of the game makes interesting insights about the experience of playing the game and what does it matter to you, the player. It doesn't need to be a moral message about how there's a good or bad way of playingIn Undertale, I like it establishes the player's ability to save and load with infinite attempts as the invincible power of player Determination to overcome everything, then it lets you the player also destroy the world you saved with that same power just because you can and wants to extract more out of that experience, even if it means to destroy itMGS2 is an aggressive-ish example by commenting on how the player's expectations are manipulated in the same way the story is about Raiden engaging in a simulation neither of you had any choice inFor a lighter example, Dark Souls 1 uses the mechanic of dying repeatedly and hollowing as stand ins for players giving up on the game, and continuing to play is the power of perseverance for the sake of enjoyment through a world you're drip fed inconclusive information that seems meaningless
>>4147163Yes, I'm a blind retard.
>>4146973>permanently locks you out of the super ultra deluxe golden endingReminder that Toby is still seething 11 years later about the fact that you can just delete the genocide file from your save folder to completely erase the consequences of genocide.If the current save architecture is anything to go by, it will be as easy as changing one (1) line to erase the consequences of weird route.
>>4147008
>>4147137I think it's best to establish a scale.Some meta amounts to commenting on how other games already are. Maybe you'll get an opinion on whether those games are good. This is dogshit, the lowest tier of meta, and what most people think of when they hear the word. It's an author going after other authors to sate their ego.Some meta tries to call attention to the direction games are moving from a developmental perspective. This can be okay, but often degrades into the dev bitching about their boss or the expectations of their fans, blaming everyone but themself for where gaming as a whole is going.I think good meta approaches the thing it's being meta about in an almost scientific manner, and focuses heavily on helping the one who engages with it understand what they like or dislike about the medium.
>>4147161Better than making the Roaring Knight some woman
>>4147170>reminder that Toby takes the way you play his game super duper seriously you guys! Don't do genocide! Don't be evil!
>>4147175He does though, the weird route has nothing, and his cult want it to be nothing
Hometown Massacre is where FwugRadiation will come back and make everything edgy. If you gave the Vessel the voice gift it will mock it's victims with the voice of their loved ones btw.
>>4147173The story is already about a teenage girl. Crying that the antagonist might also be a teenage girl because you can't take teenage girls seriously is inane.>but the story is objectively bad because of le Susie too
>>4147180The story is about Kris
>>4147178>the weird route doesn't offer me one new boss and multiple new areas per chapter so it's nothing and Toby actually doesn't want it in the gameLMAO
>>4147181>the story is already about a teenage girlYeah, Kris.
>>4147181Yeah and Kris is a teenage girl.
>>4147161Cope and seethe DessKnigger. Just like evil ralsei, your theory is nothing but vibes with no actual logic or in-game evidence.Enjoy getting BTFO'd this Christmas.
>>4147181And Susie.
>>4147187Fuck Susie I hate this character
>>4147186>BUT IF DESS IS THE KNIGHT SHE'S RIGHT THERE HOW CAN SHE BE LOSTShe can't just take the helmet off and go home. It isn't just "looking weird". She has suffered a similar kind of damage to Flowey.>BUT THAT ISN'T DESS!!!!!Ok retard nigger, this is what I've meant by "DessKnight" since the first day I started arguing it, you continuing to play dumb still doesn't change shit
>>4147187Fuck Susie.I love her.
>>4147187And Dess, and also Noelle... and Asgore... and Asriel... and Ralsei
>>4147188She was already one of two main characters back in chapter one. Sorry you thought "Susie joined the party for real" meant she'd step back and be a perfectly normal RPG party member (staring glassy eyed at the world while the protagonist is the only real person present)
>>4147183Yeah he is actively skimping out purely out of spite
It's funny that Rudyknighters operate in the exact same wave lenght as Walter White fans, they want him to be the secret Heisenberg of the game who did it all for his family while rudyknightfags hold an immense amount of contempt for the family he's supposedly doing it all for (they all fucking hate Dess)
>>4147192I did think she would take orders and I had no reason to believe otherwise at the time, if she doesn't like it she can leave
>>4147193If he didn't want to include the weird route he could just have not included it.The weird route is the one that's shaping up to actually be his fever dream ending.
>>4147195Real talk though Rudy even if he's the Knight is at least morally better than Walter White.
>>4147189>She has suffered a similar kind of damage to Flowey.>Source: trust me broWhy are DessKniggers ALWAYS like this? Even fucking NoelleKnighters are willing to provide in-game stuff as evidence, with Dess it's always fanfiction.>I-IT'S HEAVILY IMPLIED BECAUSE MUH SONG ABOUT BATSReminder that the word "Dess" being in the game isn't evidence for her being the knight.
>>4147197The fever dream wasn't in ch1 or 3 then, barely in 4 or 5 eitherThere is nothing here, and you continue to defend it
>>4147199>NoelleKnighters are willing to provide in-game stuffSomeone post the special Noelle sneaking outfit that lets her shapeshift in the dark world.
>>4147200Yep! It wasn't! The fever dream was about the ENDING of a game. Of course he didn't actually dream up an entire game start to finish, he saw the ending and random details about the game backfilled. He was trying to make the game have only one route, but realized that the ending he saw only made sense as an aversion of another.
>>4147203So he's been wasting time for almost a decade
>>4147183>one new bossAka the same exact Spamton fight but with slightly altered dialogue>multiple new areas per chapterLike?>CH2 simply does the genocide thing and just let's you skip half of the chapter>CH3 is unchanged>CH4 is a single changed cutscene>CH5 is a mere 20 minutes of dick teasing after years of hyping it up>CH6 gets skipped altogether7B will have to be the greatest thing ever written by man to make up for all the let downs of weird route so far.
>>4147207This is like saying the genocide route is mostly a letdown other than Undyne and Sans.
>>4147208The genocide route let you kill monsters in every area, and affected the story of every area
>>4147171Why does Chara and Deltarune!Chara hate me?
>>4147209But killing the same enemies isn't new, nor is getting new scenes in the same locations, otherwise the weird route would have a fine amount of new content.
>>4147211It's new to me, the gameplay felt new instead of literally the exact same thing for years
>>4147205An ending without a story isn't a story nor an ending, stop thinking like a baby who wants to skip an entire story to its last pages
>>4147192In dragon quest 2 HD 2d remake(camr out last year) all of the party members talk, but they still all support the protagonist's quest because he's their family and they love him. No excuse for the rotten shit I hate.
>>4147208Honestly, it kinda is. Ignoring replays, even back in 2015 I had only started the genocide route because I heard that it had extremely challenging bosses, and after the cakewalk that was pacifist, I was looking forward to them.7B could potentially be very interesting story wise, but to me the thing that will determine if it's good or not is if's gonna have a good boss and song.
>>4147212>killing instead of sparing felt new>none of the WR scenes felt newMentally ill behavior
>>4147159Board 1 ends a bit differently though. It doesn't end with static then the tv turning off, it only ends with the tv turning off
>>4147216Huh, sounds like the party members have to have incredibly flat personalities and goals, and do almost nothing themselves, in order to achieve this unflinching unilateral support of the protagonist.
>>4147215Stop thinking like a plebbit cock sucker and understand that a 7 chapter story starting to develop its plot only 6 chapters in isn't good writing. Perhaps if you stopped praising Toby for shitting in your mouth he would actually get moving with developing the fucking game instead of jerking off his japanese idols in great Nihon.
>>4147215Says the one that thinks you shouldn't be allowed to collect items to progress the game. That bile has been spewing from your lips for over a year. You came with malicious intent.
>>4147181It's about us and Gaster.
>>4147222Collecting items does not and never has progressed the story. The flags attached to the events you get those items in do.
>>4147220Who caresIt's my entertainment, don't take it away.
>>4147224There's no need to directly call it out, it ruins the entertainment, it is no longer an adventure when you do that.
>Well done.>You found my secret hiding place.>But there's nothing here...>...is there?>YOU GOT THE SHELTER KEY>Oh, you found that, too!>Perfect, just perfect...>Thanks for all your hard work, Kris!YOU WERE USED UP.
>>4147221The 7 chapter story has been developing its plot since chapter 1. You're asking for it to be resolved before chapter 7 and claiming that nothing counts as development.
>>4147226It didn't ruin my adventure when I first found out about it it, because the adventure is what's happening in the story and the game is only showing me the story. What happens is what the game is trying to show and not what literally occurs on my screen.
>>4147228Resolve something, instead of making 3 areas in a row nothing more than a waste of the player's time.
>>4147219I assume the static is just mini Kris being erased
>>4147226Skill issue
SpookyDude released a RudyKnight video. He made the same point I did, that if the knight identity is a proper mystery following mystery rules, the answer has to be Rudy.
>>4147231Things are being resolved, you just want specific things to be resolved that aren't.
>>4147221He's 100% only doing it because mr. Toby "I don't read theories but mocked all the popular ones in-game" Fox is too afraid that people would guess his game's story 3 years before it was even finished lmao.Can't go and use chapter 5 to develop the fucking story, have a shitty filler chapter right after CH4.>>4147228Read any mystery novel and tell me if it starts resolving its mysteries throughout the story or if it forces the resolution of everything in the final chapter.People who never read a book and only played Deltarune as their story driven vidya really don't understand that this is just outright bad writing.
>>4147236I'm sorry, there's no worse fate than that guy agreeing with you. If I were in your shoes I would have considered killing myself.
>>4147237Yeah I do, I'm sick and tired of this shit, move faster, use the millions you stole from retarded teenagers and finish the game faster
>>4147236Deltarune isn't Scooby Doo. Finding the culprit isn't a win condition to save the world. Even if we found out who the Knight is, Kris is still doing their bidding.
>>4147232Could be but the same time could referencing the insert 7b screen since it's an old crt screen
>>4147242Apparently there is no win condition to save the world, because the game isn't interested in even letting you try
>>4147239Actually play Deltarune and tell me that none of its mysteries are being developed or revealed at all and 100% of information is being saved for chapter 7.
>>4147208Genocide route WAS a let down>no Mettation NEO>no Omega AsgoreBut it also had the only two actual challenges in the entire game.Meanwhile the only reason to play weird route so far is for a slightly harder Spamton NEO. All this despite the fact this game is several times larger and already offers said challenge through the secret bosses.
>>4146903If Ralsei is a titan, he had exactly one (1) sample of how titans are like: himself. Declaring himself an exception when he's literally the only ception is silly.
>>4147236>if the knight identity is a proper mystery following mystery rules....Mike...............
>>4147241>BUT WHY CAN'T WE JUST GO KILL THE KNIGHT AND END THE STORY AT CHAPTER 3?????Because the conflict is "Kris is working against you to enact something to do with the prophecy" and not "stop the knight".
>>4147241Then leave and watch the rest of the game on youtube, nobody is forcing you to be here, are you some kind of retarded masochist?
>>4147229Then let me be the protagonist in the storyLet me be part of the fairy tale, entertain me instead of going out of your way to take it awayThat's evil
>>4147246Bro we don't even know what villains are trying to achieve.
>>4147074>Where the FUCK do you guys see "card kingdom" in chapter 5 besides the recycled assets?People are talking about the Field of Hopes and Dreams 2.
>>4147247Or if you wanna do the alternate route that skips major portions of the game and has a dramatically different story. Maybe that could be interesting too. Perhaps.>no, I want more hard boss and nothing elseDamn, that's sad.
>>4147250That guy is real though.
>>4147252That doesn't make it move faster>>4147251I hate thusI do not want this to be the future, and you are actively making it happenYou cannot beat the player over and over again with no sign of it letting up and demands they like that, demand they call it normal even.Fuck you, this shit is evil
>>4147247It's also how you avoid Suselle.
>>4147253Let you do something no other game actually did? How?>no, I was part of the fairy taleYou felt like you were part of the fairy tale. Now Undertale and Deltarune have allowed you to notice that this is something games have to put effort into doing rather than being the default state of fantasy adventure games that people only avert out of spite for you/the genre.
I'm sorry but there's no excuse for the game telling us NOTHING about That Day™ in chapter 5. It vagueposted so bad it ruined all the character drama. At the very least it should have confirmed whether or not it was related to Dess. It's comical that it didn't.
>>4147260Stop replying to The Raped. They don't wanna listen, they don't wanna reason, they just want to whine about a game they don't like over and over and over and over
>>4147258Toby is very effective against autists I see
>>4147246Ok so we have>The Knight's identity>Carol's involvement >Kris's motivation for working with Carol>Whatever happened years ago>Why Noelle is so strong when she's supposedly not in the prophecy>"The girl">The final panel of the prophecy>Gaster>NormalNPC>ERAM>Friend>The shadow crystals>What's in the bunker>What's after the lake>Eggman>Seam>The twisted sword>Mike>Probably many other things I'm forgettingOf these, how many got resolved, let alone hinted at something?
>>4147242Scooby Doo Deltarune would be cool honestly. Dark World of the week format has a lot of potential and you could still have the overarching That Day/Gaster Stuff mystery. I hope Deltarune's overarching mysteries comes close to the way Mystery Inc handled theirs, because Toby writing the mysteries worse than a kid's show is an actual possibility.
>>4147258>I hate the main conflict of the gameWeird that you keep choosing to play it. Are you a masochist?>no, you demand I play it and call it normalNobody did this.
>>4147264>MikeOh, it's a mikefag nevermind
>>4147261Eh, we'll get the full story during the New Home walk.They can hide and vaguepost all they want, it's just a matter of time. In the meantime I'll continue to explore the sandbox.
>>4147260Why can't I feel like it then? Why do you get to take it away out of spite and somehow keep your hands afterwards>>4147266This is what they make and put on every shelf now, becauae of you.
>>4147255That "Field of Hopes and Dreams 2" also has barely anything in common with the first one, besides the reused assets.
>>4147264>the knight is working with Carol>noelle isn't in the prophecy it's all just Susie and always was>the girl is some weird floating mystery>gaster, normalNPC, ERAM and friend are all completely distinct entities whose motives don't relate to one another and all of whom we should be making continuous progress on>mikeFandom psychosis.
>>4147267>Ignores the rest of the listOh ok so you are just a fag that thinks that acting retarded is funny because "just trolling lol"Kill yourself.
>>4147270>anon missed all the thematic mirrorsNoelle would be proud of your avoidance tactics.
>>4147269>Why can't I feel like it then?Because you're playing games meant not to feel like it. Play games meant to feel like it.>all RPGs are meant to make me feel like I'm the one on the fantasy adventureNo.
>>4147201sorry chuddy, asgore in ch5 (and arguably since ch2 when costume changes were introduced) confirmed that it's possible for one to change outfits in the dark world
>>4147262Make better games and the whining will stop immediately.Or get hanged when people start to crack down hard on this.
>>4147261That's because you need to play Chapter 6 on your Weird Route save file to really know what happened.
>>4147275I'm talking about the claim that the knight can morph into a bird and a ball because Noelle is in a baggy outfit whose silhouette changes in real time. Not just that Noelle has a dark world outfit already.
>>4147267>Gets rug pulled by Toby because he thought it would've been funny>"PLEASE DADDY, HARDER"Toby could remove the Knight from the story and you would be jumping to defend his ass by saying that he was never even that relevant to the story and wanting to know his identity is stupid.
>>4147274>all RPGs are meant to make me feel like I'm the one on the fantasy adventureThe ones I play areThat is the main source of my entertainment.You're the reason games don't feel like that anymore, because of your anti-player policy
>>4147279The narrative literally doesn't give a shit about Knight right now. It's MOCKING Knight as if it were a character who doesn't matter.And it doesn't, it's a literal plot device who exists to propel Kris, just like how Dess is a literal plot device who existed to propel Kris, Noelle, Asgore and Carol (based on what we currently know for certain).
>>4147272Don't say something retarded in the middle of your reasonable points or I'll think you're retarded and throw away the rest of what you said.Just sit down and stop whining how you want all answers in front of you right now>>4147279Yup, Raped™ mikefag
>>4147277>Expecting the dog to make ext*a content outside of the one advertised publiclyKEK
>>4147279>character being mentioned by name before they appear isn't a binding contract that they be the most important thing ever when they do show up>UGH I GOT RUGPULLEDI expected Mike to be a silent barely acknowledged stagehand.
>>4147273>main guy gets introduced the same way as tenna>none of the spooky build up from cliffs and empty town>overly reliant on romantic baiting that only started from chapter 2>dark world doesn't feel lived in
>>4147278ralsei in the very same chapter the knight first appears in says that things become more indistinct in the dark and can appear to change shape
>>4147289We're not talking about the whole Dark World but specifically the Garden/Field. Surely you noticed the returning puzzles at the very least?
>>4147289Almost like that's the point, that it's cheap nostalgia that tries and fails to recapture the "whee, adventure!!!!!" feel from Chapter 1, to emphasize that such a part of the game is OVER and shit's going to get real and story-heavy from now on, especially with all the Suselle bullshit that's invariably going to become a main facet of the story, because Ralsei can't do too much until Chapter 7 and Kris is still being a selectively mute enigma who we can't even see the dialogue for anyway because Muh MOTHER Logic.
>>4147291Lightners' outfits aren't based on looks at all, first of all. Nothing Susie or Kris was wearing translates to their dark world outfits, to say nothing of Berdly and Noelle and Asgore.Secondly, he says that while explaining Darkners and how they come about as a dark world forms. Nothing implies that the way something looks in the dark continuously matters, only that snap impression of what its shadow looks like as the dark world forms.
>>4147283I only added Mike because he came to mind, if he doesn't get resolved I won't particularly mind unlike the rest of the things I mentioned.>Just sit down and stop whining how you want all answers in front of you right nowSorry anon, but I've been riding this boat for over 8 years now, I think it's reasonable for me to be a little annoyed that I get 5 new questions per chapter while not getting any mystery properly developed.>Yup, Raped™ mikefagDo I seriously have to specify that the other reply is not me or can you figure it out by yourself?
>>4147294Nothings getting real, having a dark world made to stall for time isn't realThe game can just do that infinitely and get praised for it by you, because you have no standards.
People are going to be so mad when Deltarune ends without Gaster making an appearance. I'm baffled so many people think he will.
>>4147294>such a part of the game is OVER>shit's going to get real NOW>FROM NOW ON>NEXT CHAPTER>JUST WAIT™
>>4147299Following up on this, I believe Gaster is a net negative to the game's lore. After following an LPer (Em) play through Undertale, her theories were much more interesting before she learned about Gaster. Now she's yet another schizo who thinks Gaster is the answer to every question.
>>4147297There's nothing to do but sit down and wait for the story to be revealed. You can complain about plot points not being addressed when it's over. Right now you're just being whiny and impatient like there's nothing else in the world for you to do but wait for Deltarune instead of playing another out of the thousands of games out there.>Do I seriously have to specify that the other reply is not me or can you figure it out by yourself?Can you figure out it wasn't for you? You're not that special you know
>>4147299We'll get plenty of dialogue, but yeah, he's not physically appearing or the mystique he's built for over a decade suddenly dies.
Gaster is real and you're gonna kill him.
>>4147302Sat down for 5 years. Times up. Finish the job, or get pulled out of your mansion and executed.
I'm glad that we aren't the only ones feeling raped and spreading doom
>>4147299I'll be disappointed but ultimately fine with that since it means I can keep drawing him as a dragon.
>>4147301That's the problem when you introduce a literal Creator God to an incomplete narrative who actively participates and intervenes in the narrative. The Goner Car Traffic Jam, while a gag, has done damning numbers on Deltarune in its entirety since God can just do shit and program everyone to not notice when ANYTHING out of the ordinary happens.
>>4147306Toby's tweet confirmed Noelle x Susie antics in castle town, though. It does happen.
>>4147305I'm sure you will you faggot
>>4147306Spreading doom?Don't give me that shit, you support it and actively strive for less and less every year. Like every woke freak, you have no standards because you don't believe that anything is sacred.
>>4147306toby has shown his hand despite playing so close to his chest people have finally clocked on to him always subverting expectations he set up, often to the detriment of the story so now instead of thinking something interesting will happen, we all know that it'll be gay and lame
>>4147306LOLHonestly at this point I'm fully expecting CH6 to not feature Noelle for some reason or another. Especially after how much it was teased in both CH4 and CH5.
>>4147310I dont want to do it, I want the japanese government to do it. It's their job to deal with that fucker.
>>4147306Good. The more it spreads, the more weaker people are filtered. We'll get our game back in no time.
>>4147313It'll happen. Chapter 4 implied Carol being relevant, only for her to not show up AT ALL in Chapter 5, meaning Susie faced zero consequence for lashing out against authority.Noelle simply won't show up, period, that way Toby doesn't have to write actual consequences for "aborted" Weird Route and backload it into Chapter 7.>>4147309You don't know if Queen's Acceptance is for Chapter 6. It could very well be for the Chapter 7 Epilogue Victory Lap.
>>4147313Does Noelle have to be featured in Chapter 6? She can have 7B all to herself.
>>4147312>"Haha you thought the thing I heavily implied was gonna happen? Well too bad! You got played!">"Haha you thought the thing I heavily implied was gonna happen? Well too bad! You got played!">"Haha you thought the thing I heavily implied was gonna happen? Well too bad! You got played!">"W-why are people suddenly not giving a fuck anymore and criticizing my pacing...? S-SHUT UP UNTIL YOU FINISH THE GAME AND DON'T YOU HECKIN DARE CALLING ME A BAD WRITER!"Genuinely why does he believe that "subverting expectations" just to piss off his fans is some kind of impressive game director strategy?
>>4147313The only reason i can see Noelle being important, but only briefly appearing is to prevent writing an entire different scenario for aborted WR Noelle
>>4147318Because he's a leftist who's only here to destroy.
>>4147317Anon her dad is in the hospital, this is her only chance before the big ch7 finale to do something else
>>4147318>Bad writing is when thing I wanted to happen doesn't happen
>>4147318Because it worked for his precious MOTHER 3 and OFF, so he thinks he can do the same thing.
>>4147279we're living in the rian johnson era of artistry anonmediocrity is to be celebratedit's gonna be a while until the tide changes
>>4147322So what. What if the story of chapter 6 isn't about her dad in the hospital
>>4147313The items descriptions with her basically prove she's gonna be part of Chapter 6 though.
>>4147318'subverting expections' (contempt for the medium) has been very deeply embedded in western media since 2008ish, although it's peak was somewhere around 2015 - 2021toby was a teenager at that time and was very malleable, as seen by his grooming by hussiein hindsight, it should've been obvious he would do something like this
>>4147322>>4147326Rudy could spend his dying words finally talking about THAT DAY, we can't have any details about THAT DAY until Chapter 7.
>>4147325And you support it.
I support Toby raping people.
This thread is too Raped, I'll come back when people who like Deltarune are here
>>4147306The fandom is loosing their grip on reality in a way only we didhttps://x.com/wonder3mporium/status/2116685775387697534>the deltarune switch-up once it's finished is gonna be catastrophichttps://x.com/goofyrabbitt/status/2116897871043907918>- one month after chapter 7 releases a video titled “deltarune was always bad” drops>- gets 8 million views >- is incredibly inaccurate about the games problems>- everyone takes the video as fact for a solid 7 years before people realise how wrong the video ishttps://x.com/pendejoshi/status/2116710018212876323>the masses are not ready for how themes and such-y that ending is gonna beThe fags are already gearing up to defend whatever bullshit the ending will be lmao
>>4147328nah, he has been this way since his halloween hack blogpost
>>4147333They're comparing it to what happened with Umineko, Toby literally doesn't have a single original bone in his body that even his controversy plagiarizes other controversies LMAO
>>4147332Pretty sure most of them left after Toby raped them 2 days ago by not releasing the newsletter.
>>4147320I agree. If we take what Toby says as the truth and Deltarune has only one single ending, then SOMETHING will make Noelle snap and go evil or just full crazy like in Chapter 5 WR. Now, Kris obviously has some sort of plan, and we know that Kris's intention is to protect Noelle above all else, so we'll see.
Imagine being Toby, looking at how the "one last smile, one last look at the sun before it never rises again" chapter is the one that made everyone loose their minds and start arguing forever.
>>4147335i meant to clarify that toby was a teenager when subverting expectations was starting to take off in the laste '00s, but yeah he was already brainrotted by halloween hackpeople still cope that deltarune isn't just a big budget halloween hack still, toby probably shit his pants when people instantly clocked that dr was a quasi sequel to undertale, much like hh to eb
>>4147339It's entirely because of the Vaguepost King combined with the newsletter making it abundantly clear we're not actually learning anything important until Chapter 7, with additional fuel to the fire with the Emergency FRIEND Lore Patch which, while it did provide clarity and give reason to be hype, also completely destroyed the fandom hallucination version of FRIEND as Giga Meta Satan 5000.
>>4147340>that dr was a quasi sequel to undertaleHe literally advertised it as a parallel story to Undertale
>>4147336https://x.com/MinModulation/status/2117131969959981230>Umineko's ending was seriously reviled on launch, and never reached the heights of popularity and ubiquity as his first VN Higurashi. Only years afterwards, when people played it detatched from the fandom cycle, did it become so highly acclaimed and appreciated as it is today.There is something infuriating about how when I get into a legacy long running franchise with controversial sequels, my reaction is always "the grognards are right" most of the time.The old fags are ALWAYS the ones with the better opinions, the newfags who like the controversial entries always have to jump across a million hoops to defend their crap.Always "you're mad you didn't get what you imagined" or "you're mad you didn't get the same thing over and over" as if that wasn't the whole point of a franchise with sequels.Of course I want the same thing, if I didn't want I'd just go look somewhere else.
>>4147342parallel doesn't mean sequelthat's the final rugpull, it's not parallel at all(you)'ve just been gaslit into believing it was
>>4147306>Noelle doesn't want to come to Castle Town because Rudy died.
>>4147341>fanmade chapter patternfag theorists buckbroken by 3+4>deep lore main story and most shippers buckbroken by 5now all that remains is to piss off the remaining shippers and the themes and such fags to create a story that doesn't please a single soul on earth besides the creator who already made a bunch of concessions
I unironically think Deltarune's ending won't be so controversial.
>>4147345>noelle didn't even go to school on the monday because of that>looking around for noelle is how they find the next dark world
>>4147293Yes but those are only superficial callbacks. In terms of plot structure and themes it's got way more in common with chapter 3.
>Make the chapters before the paid release fun, interesting and featuring an alternate path with cool themes>Get the $$$>Make the rest of the chapters uninspired low effort thrash knowing that you already got the moneyYou can't help but applaude him.
>>4147347there is a possibility it will be like TADCunfulfilling but also really boring and toothless
>>4147340It's one thing that does worry me that the fever dream ending he had back in 2012 was something awesome for its time, but he'll only be able to reveal it in 2028 or so when meta concepts in videogames have become tropey and overdone ironically partial to his own influence.
>>4147349YEAHthat's what these fags don't getchapter 4 is the only one that somewhat replicates what chapter 1 was deep down (the other side to that being chapter 2)
Why didn't you listen to her, Anon?
the sneaking motif was in raise up your bat the whole time>https://x.com/_gurusandhu_/status/2025242668473765922mikebros there might still be a chance
>>4147350I pirated the game and still liked 3+4, I'll do like a half-clap in acknowledgment
>>4147352there's a very high chance that will be the casemaybe that's why he pivoted so hard from the 2016 concept, he realized that his og idea was stale by then and desperately tried to pivot everything before that so people wouldn't immediately guess what it will be
>>4147354I'm a darkner
>>4147354I don't know what NPC you're talking about.
>>41473503&4 at least had some kino moments and good music ch5 has nothing outside of the 30 minute weird route
>>4147354I did, then a fly hit me in the eye. Never again.
>>4147355Mike is probably a darkner in Dess's room.Or he's a cattenheimer guy.
>>4147354The atmosphere in Pink's shop was nice, music and all, it's a shame I don't really care for her or the chapter that much.
>>4147361That didn't fly so good
>>4147362>mike is three microphones used by asriel, dess and kris>realistic mike is only one of them
>>4147363the occasional genuine melancholy in chapter 5 is one of the few great things I have to say about it
>>4147355>Mike will definitely be in Chapter 6!
I think 7A is going to suck donkey dickBut 7B will be fucking awesome to the point it will balance 7A like how previous WR didNo matter how much i doompost, i'm really looking for 7B
>>4147339I don't smile when being forced to look at cuck shit.I cannot recommend this to anyone.
>>4147370tell me what you desire out of 7b
>>4147318That isn't what he's doing, though.
>>4147343Funny, my kneejerk reaction is usually the opposite unless the "new" is like 2010 or later. Actual homogenization for the sake of a broader audience has happened to basically every property at this point, the people who stay focused on how Morrowind has fewer skills than Daggerfall and not how Skyrim puts you in charge of every fucking guild after like four quests for them are retards.
>>4147340My cope is that HH wasn't about player bashing and thus DR won't be as well. UT wasn't "player evil because you kill enemy", that's the retarded teenager take on it, why would DR be that?
>>4147354is this a look outside reference?
>>4147372Outside of the people waiting massacre or kriselle or meat factory, i want more insane dialogue like the lake or the couch and kul 4th wall moments like when the rain stopped, this is why i kinda hate ''Kris and Noelle just died lol'' because the route is more character driven focused, just killing people would be lame, unless the vessel get these cool moments instead then it's okayIn terms for a setting, something like the ice palace would be nice, Glacier is one of the best atmospheric osthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8PUFYuSS-o7B has so much potential that even doomposting can't ruin my expectations, unless something in ch6 happens that spoils something shitty for it
>>4147376>The Sunset of Eight Suns
>>4147375Halloween Hack was never player bashing, it was about the futility of player choice. You either play the game or you don't, and no matter how you play the game, you'll reach the same conclusion if the game only has one possible outcome.And in Halloween Hack's case, it's that the only conclusion is to kill Andonuts. It's just that killing Andonuts after doing Magicant has more substance and a real epilogue, whereas killing him as soon as you enter his lab is inherently dissatisfactory because you missed the meta element where the whole crux of the hack is founded on an niche use case for dialogue prompts where you press B instead of selecting an option, which normally just gives the same result as selecting "No" or "Cancel" or something of that sort.
>>4147386Many people seem to take it as player bashing. Is that not why the bit about how the player is supposed to feel cheated gets reposted? Because they think it means the hack is just lazily trying to get one over on the player at all costs?
>>4147387Only if you don't take into account what peepee.exe has to say about Varik, which is that his existence is an anomaly that caused the Phase Distorter to send Ness and friends to the wrong timeline, leading Andonuts in the HH timeline to believe he sent four children, his own son included, on a sacrificial march to save the universe.It reframes what could be malice as the player picking up Varik's slack and doing what needed to be done for an inherently broken world to make it less miserable.
>>4147386The solution to that is to just fire the pretentious leftists making the games and make things that players would actually want.The reason that players complain about set outcomes is because the homosexuals who were given decision-making powers made conclusions that players don't want.
>>4147389The things I actually want are stories like Undertale and Deltarune.
>>4147389That's why Toby used both Gerson in Deltarune and the 10th anniversary to encourage fanworks if you want your special snowflake perfect version of something.
>>4147390Then you're equally guilty. You clogged up thr market with nothing but contempt for the classics.
>>4146714ERAM will let us go.ERAM will give us hope. ERAM will save us all...
They couldn't have given her a fucking shave? The last thing I remember, most trans women actually want to PASS, not look like a bearded man with long hair
>>4147391Until you have a tranny at your door because you don't like suselle or you called kris a dude.
>>4147395Flamethrower all of those things
>>4147395Why are you looking at this?
>>4147395What does this have to do with Deltarune?
>>4147395>Suggested for youLel
>>4147396Except you don't have to publicly announce your special snowflake perfect version, especially if you're making contentious changes that will turn you into a pariah. That's not required. Some stories are best enjoyed exclusively by their author, a secret for just the author that no one else has to know about.
>>4147394Save me evil loli Kris, save me...
>>4147395Sex with she/her Alex YIIK
>>4147395Uhhh Deltarune?
>>4147323Good writing is when the moral for why the thing that was expected to happen doesn't happen is universal
>>4147403Why didn't Toby fox do that
>>4147408Tobys non-binary representation is 10 times better than this because he draws them like actual people instead of these ugly ass Steven universe looking creatures or fucking bearded ladies
>>4147413Then you'd just complain that Undertale ruined your JRPGs, and you'd wish Toby just kept Undertale to himself.Then you'd complain about Halloween Hack, and wish Toby just kept that to himself.
>>4147414You cant represent what doesnt exist
>>4147414There's no confirmed nonbinary characters in Deltarune though, automatically assuming use of they/them = nonbinary is actually incredibly chuddy of you because it implies ONLY nonbinary people use they/them pronouns.
>>4147414>bearded ladiesEven if he did that, it'd be a cool female dwarf monster
>>4147309what tweet
>>4147394I will forgive every Toby sin if ERAM is a qt and bratty
>>4147421This one.https://bsky.app/profile/tobyfox.undertale.com/post/3mx6d2uoyxs2h
>>4147423means nothing
>>4147427Yeah, but he's successfully hallucinated that this is for Chapter 6, even though it could just as easily be for Chapter 7, because he's CERTAIN that THIS TIME, FOR SURE, that the cliffhanger will be played straight and Noelle will DEFINITELY come to Castle Town and stop giving a shit about her dying father.
>>4147423That is not a tweet but a bluesky. Please correct yourself I am offended by your comment.
>>4147423Actually this is a joke for Ralsei's transition reveal
>>4147395HOLY FUCK 7A ENDING LEAKED
>>4147415I don't care about some rom hack, no one openly worshipped it
>>4147432They did though, it's part of why Toby even has a following that worshipped him for Undertale. The other part was Homestuck fans who enjoyed his musical contributions and wanted to see what he could do with his own video game.
Halloween Hack? More like it's Halloween and Toby is a hack. Heh.
Why do people wanna argue Hometown is a simulation when Sans is there? I doubt Gaster invented a "going-into-games" machine
>>4147440Chapter 3 already offers an answer to this, it's characters outside the simulation controlling designated avatars.
>>4147442Are you arguing Sans is in reality a hyper realistic skeleton?
>>4147442but Noelle...
>>4147446Aren't we all? You, too, are a skeleton beneath all that fat and delicious meat.
>>4147407>alex shiik
>>4147452No I'm in reality an AI.
>>4147423that could easily be a meme about susie and princess ralseiand femkris
>>4147440Because Sans is actually from the incoming third game after Deltarune where he definitively originated from and used going-into-games machine in the form of this house
>>4147395Ironically enough, you could actually make some very safe bets on which set of pronouns each one of those people would ask for
>>4147236Sorry bro but your story just lost, this is the retarded behind Woodyshit.
>>4147456>get canon ralsusie>but would have to deal with canon tranny RalseiCan't decide whether the tradeoff would be worth it or not.
>>4147309>>4147423>>4147430>>4147456Guys? Aren't you forgetting something important? Chapter 6 will be more serious and dark than the previous ones, or at least that's what Toby said. I really doubt we're going to have tranny Ralsei or any more gay shit. If femKris is revealed it will be in a flashback with Kris using girls' clothes or something, and no one will point it out since it would be normal for a little girl to wear girl clothes.
>>4147236>that if the knight identity is a proper mystery following mystery ruleIt isn't. Deltarune's world runs more on symbolism than on logic.The Knight is Dess because it uses a bat, which is a symbol associated with Dess, and that's really all there is to say on the matter.
>>4147244The only explanation I have for that CRT screen is simulation theory unironically. I can't think of anything else that could explain that visual.
>>4147461Chapter 6 being more serious doesn't mean it cannot have 15 minutes of gag humor in Castle Town before the plot kicks in
>>4147461ch4 was a very serious chapter by toby's standards and half the chapter was goofy shit like cucking noelle and jackenstein
>>4147259Partially, there's still Suselle scenes, just off-screen
>>4147460as long as the 12 inches remain uncut i can accept ralsei being a pretty princess
>>4147267To be fair it is an open plot point that is teased even in 5.
>>4147299At this point I think it's likely we will never know how he looks like exactly, even if I'm a mystery man believer.
>>4147306I can't interpret the Queen dialogue as anything but more Suselle bait so it's probably happening, the rugpull is that Castle Town is the only Dark World in 6.
>>4147461I unironically want Little Kris acting like a spoiled and bratty princess.
>>4147317>She can have 7B all to herself.SHE WAS USED UP
>>4147332Since /v/ threads are still banned you have to go to /utg/ for that, sadly.
>>4147463it's just analog horror pandering
>>4147475paperbag princess kris...
>>4147333I knew since day one Deltarune's ending would be controversial simply because of the WAIT. The first tweet is right, every long running series ends up hated.
>>4147482#needthat
>>4147483I can think of kirby as an example of the opposite
>>4147473The problem is wr Noelle, the only way for the castle town section to not be that different because i think Toby is fucking lazy, is for Noelle to intenionally ignoring that Kris lied about darkworlds not being real, and she literally said that casting snowgrave felt goodLiterally my only counter argument is that Toby is so fucking lazy to make a different castle town section lol
>>4147355Unless Mike is FRIEND it's too late for him to be relevant.
>>4147394Sex with Dark Aqua and Aqua.
>>4147440Sans and Papyrus are from Nowhere/Mancountry
>>4147461The only area without jokes is New Home, we could still have some jokes in 6 before the serious moments.
>>4147394No matter what happens, Demon Chara will always find a way to exist
>>4147487Noelle will simply just forget all that happened, after all NOTHING CHANGED.
>>4147495>The only area without jokes is New Home>most of the pacifist ending>some funny lines from the genocide ending
i hope chapter six has some juicy mewkers
>>4147497This is my theory too, the Noelle post-aborted WR, particularly the one post-aborted chapter 5 WR, has basically fully put on the mask by the time you get to chapter 6. A Noelle is just a Noelle, and Noelle will play the role of Noelle. At best you'll get a scene that highlights this but it won't change any of Noelle's actions in chapter 6. They will be the same regardless of the WR having been started and aborted, or never having started.
>>4147499I meant neutral route new home
>>4147500bigfatcat tats
I just hope if chapter 6 is a flashback chapter we can finally get canon dess to draw
>>4147506I don't because she will be ugly.
>>4147497>>4147501That doesn't make sense. Pay attention for once. Susie tells Kris that Noelle was absent-minded and strange while Kris was fake-sleeping. Noelle didn't forget anything.
>>4147505>fat cat tatsor>itty bitty kitty titties?
>>4147507does that seriously matter to fanartists
>>4147508She didn't forget but by the end of it she has come to the realization that a Noelle is just a Noelle, and what you will see in 6 will be Noelle being Noelle, nothing more.
>>4147509For once, flat isn't justice
>>4147506I just want a canon dessign because I trust Toby/Temmie to make the b+w blue eyes combo (implied by the black monster/deer in mantle) look good with whatever's in her wardrobe
>>4147510No but we will see a sharp decrease in fan designs which I wouldn't enjoy.
>>4147512Noelle's dad is fucking DYING. She is not going to be in the mood to keep pretending. Again, pay attention and THINK.
>>4147518You're the one who isn't thinking, but whatever, I'm not gonna keep arguing over this with you, keep believing that Noelle in 6 is totally going psycho if you've aborted the weird route, it will be fun to read your posts crying about it here when it doesn't happen.
>>4147519Damn, you are dumb. I agree, let's stop.
>>4147518Anon, she literally slipped back into her usual role right after nearly drowning herself.
>>4147501weird anons and twisted anons aren't ready for noelle to be the greatest CHUDDHA of all time
>>4147501i kind of wonder if she'd still have the thorn ring at that point
>>4147508By forgetting I meant she's just going to repress everything.
hnnngh... ghost mewers...
>>4147524Weird anons are the ones who are gonna kill her though.
>>4147530weird anons will hop on the aborted boat because they will get absolutely nothing during next release
>>4147533Not me, I'm playing primarily for the weird route, and I don't believe in aborted weird route, I don't even have a savefile ready for it, and I don't plan on making one.
>>4147536well have fun watching your favorite tuber
>>4147306Wait theres a new nitter up?
>>4147538Nah I'll just play through the normal route, then come here to read the endless posts of people complaining about aborted wr not having any significant changes.
>>4147525She lost it in the water, and Sans is the one who retrieved it thanks to the breadcrumbs10 years of development people, please understand
>>4147541good thing i bought two...
>>4147541that's not how the breadcrumbs workthey're for getting back, not going somewhere
>>4147394ERAM and FRIENDlings are definitively anime girls! as Pink foreshadows Toby going full weeb and consume vtubers kek
>>4147538im watching my favorite luber weresdrim, he helps me sleep
>>4147544Its been years and Toby forgot about the glitch, he only remembers it conceptually
>>4147539xitter cf has been working ever since xcancel went down.
>>4147540You can't call yourself a fan of the game if you don't even bother to 100% it
>>4147552You got the ch4 climbing trophy, right?
>>4147552Yeah no, sorry, I'm not playing through the entirety of chapter 5 just to get, at most, a small dialogue difference in a scene in 6. I didn't go through every single neutral ending variation in Undertale either, if this makes me a fake fan in your eyes, then I guess I'm a fake fan.
>>4147555I'm just wondering what is it you are expecting from Normal Route. I went Weird after the disappointment that was chapter 5 and it's the only thing that temporarily fixed my distaste for the game.
>>4147508She'll just memoryhole it, the same way she memoryholed what happened on THAT DAY that she simply thinks Dess went missing and can be found by searching for her online.
>>4147557speaking ofwhat do you think toby meant by having pills on the table next to her bed in the computer room dark world?
>>4147558To imply she needed medication so she'd stop having nonstop episodes, seeing as how prior to whatever mellowed her out she was literally unable to function if she heard "December" out of context, which would undoubtedly be absolute hell for a girl living in a family that treats Christmas like a second religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh5vXb0TDcY>''radiation'' bomb susieHoly fucking kek, i will not watch this, 4 hours, but absolute gem thumbnail
>>4147556Not much, mainly more info on the mysteries of the game. I don't think there's much that interests me beyond that when it comes to the normal route, but that's enough to keep me playing. And the weird route is meant to be played after the normal route anyway.
>>4147559hahathat might drive someone pretty insane wouldn't itmaybe i should've left it in...
>>4147562There's no reason to play normal routeNothing that happens in the normal route matters since you just jump in a lake anyway
>>4147561i am reminded of that early meme of kris strapped to the nuke while suselle is happening
>>4147566You just see the game in a different way than I do. It feels important enough to me that I am inclined to go through the normal route in full, nothing more.
>>4147544Yeah, it's how we're returning with the Vessel.
>>4147572the point of chapter 5 was to be pointless, and you didn't get the point!
>>4147574And it can't open doors or talk
>>4147579Because those options never existed and Kris was only giving you the pretext, not hiding something that innately exists.
>>4147583Then there's nothing special about the vessel at allWhat's the pointThat's justification for it to not even be able to walk or do anytbing
>>4147585That's just the question, isn't it?Games are rules. Remove the rules and there's no more game. So why do so many people still want "freedom"?
The Vessel should be allowed to have a time machine.
>>4147561I like how this whole thing relies on the idea Toby is translating a game for the Japanese that is about nuclear destruction kek.Irradiated water is also fun, like could you imagine if this really is the plot after Toby said this is a comedy not a tragedy?
>>4147594The devs just lied
>>4147593Dark Souls let me have my own characters and it still had rules.Deltarune makes more and excuses on why it needs to give its player less and less
>>4147593Stfu Kisage X your movie sucks
>>4147594That's the power of SAVING.
>>4147585I thought gonermaker was just a joke in a sense that you have a generic character creator before being forced to play as Kris anyways. I found it pretty funny in ch1.
>>4147613Well now it's been 8 years and this is no longer shocking, make it stop
More theoryslop is out.https://youtu.be/8lm-_qMI6Ik
>>4147605Dark Souls places some pretty firm bounds on who your character can be. You can't go outside those bounds otherwise you're no longer playing Dark Souls.
>>4147594This stuff is the Teru Teru Bozu that protects you from irradiated rain I was told
>>4147616Make what stop? The joke that was done in chapter one and hasn't been done since?
>>4147622At least the game doesn't force you into the wrong direction when telling you to go somewhere and do something out of sheer spite
>>4147631Dark Souls does many things that players have said were spiteful. That's one of the main selling points they pivoted into for like the following fifteen years.
>>4147634Those selling points were wrong, the game is nowhere near as brutal as one might think, they should read the explanation menu more
>>4147635Dude, fromsoft themselves leaned into it. The ship already sailed. Also, Dark Souls is very much not a game compatible with playing as a straightforward fantasy hero. Your options are to mercy kill the fantasy world or push along its rotting corpse, aren't they?
>>4147629Stop forcing me in the wrong direction and shoving me into another dark fountain where nothing gets accomplished and punish me with multiple years of waiting after the fact only for it to happen again.
>>4147640Reminder that there is nothing preventing this from happening again in chapter 6, it already happened twice
heyguess whatmichael........................................................
>>4147645not my nametry again
>>4147640Whatever you want to accomplish isn't the plot of the game, so it isn't going to happen. Sorry.
>>4147646alrightsuselle it the otp
>>4147646It is though. Even the narrator insists on referring to Mike as "Michael".
>>4147620>Derivisely refers to asgore's speech as asgore vagueposting>Starts double cuck theory with december falling in love with another person even though Asriel was still in love with herAnd this isn't a 4chan shitposter?
>>4147647Then don't bring up the shelter at all if it isn't the plot of the game
https://youtu.be/bGDD6BkPlhITricky Stealy Tony strikes again.
>>4147648Quantum physics doesn't reveals that what we call reality at its foundation operates on possibilities, not absolute certainties. Therefore you dumb and me smart and if I say Suselle is not OTP then I am right.
>>4147656It's part of the plot. But so is chapter 5's dark world, in side A anyway.
>>4147662Wait, that doesn't make sense. I'm drunk, sorry abou that.
>>4147656This is like getting mad about Dragon Quest bringing up the Dragon Lord's Castle even though you can't visit it until the game says you're allowed to.
>>4147666Or getting mad about Undertale mentioning Asgore without letting you go and confront him until the end of a (neutral) run.
>>4147655Wait, there's sudden cuckshit? Lmao I didn't finish watching it.
>>4147666Sun stone doesn't have to be gotten until the end of the game, don't give me thatAt least the game doesn't make me wait multiple years after being forced to go in a completely different direction that accomplishes nothing after being told to get the 3 items to make the rainbow bridge and have its fans say youre entitled for wanting to get to the dragonlords castle with the items that form the rainbow bridge
>>4147667Undertake came out a finished gane, with asgore already in it, you aren't subverted into going the wrong direction after being told the bareier is in the kings castle
>>4147670Then stop caring about Deltarune. Stop perceiving it until it's a finished game. Your problem is exclusively the fact that you're an impatient baby who doesn't understand what an incomplete product is and feel entitled to instant gratification despite the fact the gratification makes zero sense to take place any sooner than Chapter 7 in the context of when Deltarune is a finished game.
The goner maker is not a joke, you will be going back to it in 7B. How else will you get the Vessel?
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>>4147673What makes you think you are getting the vessel?
>>4147670If a game talked about how I was going to get into an obvious final dungeon and then held off on letting the protagonists achieve that for awhile I would assume they'd get through it in time for the final dungeon. And I have never once been wrong. Why is Deltarune different?>>4147671What are you claiming is equivalent to this possibility in Deltarune? Susie says she needs the shelter codes, moments before Kris reveals that he doesn't, and you assume what this is building up to is a straightforward quest for a three part combination to a lock, and not dealing with the actual goal that scene established, figuring out what Kris is up to so you can decide whether to help or stop it?
>>4147672I'm not gonna pretend CoL isn't insane, and the way he presents his gripes with the (mostly imagined)flaws of the game isn't completely nonsensical, but I don't think being disappointed that the game still isn't finished after all these years is irrational.
Deltarune is just a black screen you buy for 25$ but you just imagine what's happening in the game, raping yourself with expectations included
>>4147676Susie says she needs the shelter codes, moments before Kris reveals that he doesn't, and you assume what this is building up to is a straightforward quest for a three part combination to a lock, and not dealing with the actual goal that scene established, figuring out what Kris is up to so you can decide whether to help or stop it?>where is this deciding? All I have seen is 5 years where I just sit and watch and get flamed for saying it sucks
>>4147673That's just CoL cope. I ignore his posts.
>>4147676>If a game talked about how I was going to get into an obvious final dungeon and then held off on letting the protagonists achieve that for awhile I would assume they'd get through it in time for the final dungeonI don't, because the game gives no signs of letting up on the bs that I hate after multiple real life years where my patience was not rewarded
>>4147675All part of Spamton's deal. To become a big shot, one must acquire the workout ready body.
>>4147677It's one thing to complain about the game still being unfinished, but he's essentially crying about the fact he can't beat the final boss and complete the game BEFORE the final chapter.
>>4147685Ditch the chapter structure and release the full game isntead
>>4147679>raping yourselfWe're stepping up our game, huh?
>>4147685I know, the way CoL talks about it is insane and doesn't make any sense.
>>4147685Chrono Trigger did that
>>4147688You know what's insane? Presenting a quest to open the final dungeon, only to punish me for thinking that ever mattered and subject me to yet another year of waiting.That makes me very upset.
>>4147680>where is thisIN THE FUCKING GAMETHE SHELTER DOOR OPENS FOR KRIS MOMENTS AFTER SUSIE TALKS ABOUT NEEDING THE CODESHOLY SHIT
>>4147691>You know what's insane? Presenting a quest and then not letting me finish it immediatelyNo, that's called playing an unfinished game.>but I'm being punishedIf everybody else goes through the same thing it is not a punishment it's just the content of the game.
I still think the delta rune code is either the code on the fire extinguisher at the church, or one kept by Toriel in her room, for some reason.
>>4147691>I AM IN WORLD SEVEN OF SUPER MARIO BROS AND THE PRINCESS IS IN YET ANOTHER CASTLE!!!! GRRRRR!!!
>>4147692erm, that didn't happen chuddy if it did we would've seen what happened after that but we didn't so it doesn't
>"No... that's not the way we're gonna beat you!"yknow, when i first heard this line, it reminded me of those moments where the heroes would go "noo we cant kill the heckin bad guy because we would be le worse than le bad guy" or explain with bullshit about why they wont simply kill the bad guy, it has a similarly offputting vibe, and while its not the worst scene in the entire game by any means it did make me flinch from cringe a bit there desu
>>4147695He's not mad that the game is stringing him along, he's mad the game is stringing him along while being unfinished. He wants his gratification and he wants it NOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, and he CAN'T stop obsessing over Deltarune to focus on other complete games in the meantime because he's been autistically invested in Deltarune since 2018.
>>4147695If I was punished with a year of waiting after this, I'd be very upset
>>4147699Fair enough.
>>4147699Your own fault for playing an unfinished game.
>>4147698>and he CAN'T stop obsessing over Deltarune to focus on other complete games in the meantime because he's been autistically invested in Deltarune since 2018.he just like me frI don't stalk vtubers though, unlike col
>>4147697It's just an extension of the argument over whose fountain "deserves" to stay open. Susie thinks winning with violence would be essentially admitting they don't have any particular reason theirs should stay and are just throwing their weight around. Far different from the "if you kill the guy who just gassed hundreds of civilians you're just as bad as him" line most people complain about in comics.
>>4147694Ralsei has the Delta Rune code.
>>4147705He probably has every single code
>>4147704>Susie thinks winning with violence would be essentially admitting they don't have any particular reason theirs should stay and are just throwing their weight aroundI mean Flowery being too weak to defend his fountain, assuming a scenario where you'd beat him with violence, is enough to win the argument, though I suppose Susie doesn't really agree with the whole, I'm stronger therefore I'm right, while for me, in this particular case I do think it is correct logic.
>>4147698Almost like I play games for my own gratification and not to make some pretentious writer happy
>>4147463Noelle is playing herself (shiggity). How did she get there? You'll know in due time.
>>4147706He specifically has the Delta Rune code because one the three grand photos is the red horned headband buried underground.
>>4147707>in this particular case I do think it is correct logic.I'm not sure I see how? Was the argument over who is strong enough to save the world? No, because who's going to save the world is already decided. Proving you're stronger doesn't prove your preferred dark fountain deserves to exist.
>>4147712>Proving you're stronger doesn't prove your preferred dark fountain deserves to exist.How does it not? At the end of the day, the two dark fountains cannot coexist, one must prevail over the other, there is no argument left but strength, the one who is stronger will prevail, and the one who is defeated will have their dark fountain closed.I don't know, it makes perfect sense to me.
>>4147709Nobody is playing games just to make their writers happy. They are interested in the stories you write off as "pretentious".
>>4147714I'm not. Entertain me or you failed at selling entertainment
>>4147713Utility? One dark fountain can only support the lives of the flowers (and Ralsei) and the other can support any Darkner. It seems to me the more useful fountain has a case for its own existence independent of anyone's strength.
>>4147715I'm entertained and the changes you propose would generally make the game less entertaining to me so I hope he doesn't.
>>4147692So why bother going to the church to look for clues in the next chapter Why bother walking to noelles house eitherI'd that's the way I'm supposed to thin I end up not giving a shit about any of it
>>4147716I personally don't see it, it seems a much weaker argument than strength. What does it matter how many darkners one fountain can support, if those who try to defend that fountain lack the strength to do so? I suppose bringing up that one fountain is more versatile than the other might convince the other party, but that is only if both parties can see the value of that utility in the same way, which might not necessarily be the case.
>>4147720Susie is unaware Kris has an in at the shelter, and Kris doesn't want to tell her. The struggle at Noelle's house is Kris trying to keep you from blowing the lid on this. Knowing the code only has power because you could force Kris to say it if you officially know it, not because the player knowing the code is required for anyone to get into the shelter.
>>4147719Because your a leftist who wants to change my stuff and you get a kick out of ruining what I love.
>>4147723So why should I gave a shit thenAs far as I'm concerned I feel like I was punished for even trying, and the hour of gameplay there was a waste of my time, where nothing was accomplished
>>4147721Strength is not an argument. It's a way to resolve things without arguing at all. Being stronger doesn't make your preferences any better than someone weak. It makes you better able to enforce your preferences, it doesn't make you right. Utilities are objective, even if you disagree on how useful one of them may be.
>>4147725For the same reason you give a shit about any game's events, you're engaged with the plot. If you're not engaged, the story isn't for you.>but it's a fantasy RPG so it's supposed to be for meNo.
>>4147728A fantasy rpg should be for me, or I have no fantasy rpg to enjoyI don't want to be lectured about how I'm entitled for wanting to go on a quest to open the final dungeon
>>4147726I guess I simply fail to see the value in views that cannot be enforced. I don't think we're gonna reach an agreement beyond this.
>>4147731In my eye, the point of arguments is to resolve things that can't be enforced, like "my fountain has more of a reason to exist". Strength exists separate from it and is mostly useful if someone behaves counter to the position they arrive at by arguing, you can't correct feelings with strength alone. But fair enough.
>>4147729>all games should be for me or I don't have any games to enjoy
>>4147620I don't get why people overthink asgore going "it really is a different color", it could just be him noticing his hair changed in the dark world compared to the light world, not that the dark world he was in at first had a different color scheme
>>4147733>because the alternative is no games for me to enjoy
>>4147735>if I don't have ALL games then I have NO gamesOk, you have no games, you have never had any games, glad to clear it up
>>4147740When I hear about people subverting something as simple as a quest to open a final dungeon,telling me I'm entitled for ever liking it while actively trying to ruin the concept for the future, I get concerned.Now imagine if you will that those people get decision making powersThat meansThat dragon quest 1 is bad, that Dragon quest 3 is bad, that Dragon Quest 8 is bad, that Dragon Quest 11 is bad. That Zelda a link to the past is bad. That ocarina of time is bad, that links awakening is bad that majoras mask is bad, that wind water is bad, that twilight princess is bad that skyward sword is bad, that final fantasy is bad, that dark souls is bad, that paper mario is bad, that earthbound is bad, the list goes on and on and on on things that would not exist if the sinversives get their way. They're the ones who believe in subverting everything, all or nothing.
>>4147744>When I hear about people subverting something as simple as a quest to open a final dungeon,telling me I'm entitled for ever liking it while actively trying to ruin the concept for the futureWhere? These people are certainly not the ones making Deltarune.
Why is Kris like this?
>>4147752>sex between Lightners in the Dark WorldWhat's actually happening?
>>4147750No? That's what happened starting with chapter 4, continuing into chapter 5, with no sign of letting up.
>>4147753I don’t think there’s a rule that forbids having sex in the dark world, is there?
>>4147754At no point does Deltarune call you entitled.
>>4147752He isn't. This never happened nor will happen.
>>4147752>he
>>4147768You are right. Kris would never eat moss from the floor right after fucking Noelle.
>>4147755No, but everything happening in a Dark World is supposed to be a distortion of the Lightners' roleplay.
>>4147772it would happen during
>>4147713The point is Susie doesn't want to prove to Flowery they're the bad guys, as Flowery accused her of, so she doesn't want to beat the shit out of him to win. They fought Flowery until the point Kris was pushing him back then Asgore showed up and made Flowery give up.
>>4147712FIGHTing would prove that you're willing to stand by your dream and defend it better than the other party, that's why flowery gets mad when you let him hit you at the end instead of hitting him, it proves that you dont care enough to truly defend your dream
>>4147766Here, here and here>>4146668>>4147224>>4147251>>4147583>>4147676>>4147698>>4147723>>4147728>>4147733All of this. Every single post here is calling me entitled because I don't like how the game presented me with a task to open then final dungeon only to not give me any means to do that, for multiple real life years
>>4147805None of those posts call you entitled. None of those posts are Deltarune either.
>>4147794except who cares about what this flower thinks when he wants to shove asgore deep into super escapism and started to refuse to save kris' life because we chose to protect asgore instead of letting him rot forever? the pot calls the kettle black, thus, there is nothing to prove to such a vile darkner, and if anything, he and his friends should be allowed to see that we're willing to defend our dream and save the world no matter what because it's the right thing to do!
>>4147805>>4147807hi i'm deltarune, you are entitled
>>4147811HOLY SHIT DELTARUNE
>>4147807They influence what is put in the game, and in other games One game can get a way with this, there is nothing stopping any game after to do that same, and that kills my entertainment instantly.
>>4147810Okay but you can do that without tearing him in half and killing him like how the Knight did
>>4147824Why not, he's evil and he should die
>>4147827Do you think the player is evil in Undertale under the argument you fight to protect yourself?
>>4147830NoBut keeping the dark world forever would kill him and his master both
>>4147811MY DELTARUNEXHE IS NOT WAITING ANYMORE
>>4147832Not forever, but he has the right to fight to keep himself alive even if for just a little longer
>>4147835I don't care. He's a leader of a foreign nation that obstructed the heroes from doing their job, if he doesn't like that he's dying, he should have let them do the job and find asgore and work out how to deal with the killer on the loose
Kris pulled the thorn ring out of noelles finger, only for the game to go straight back to suselle shiteIdiots
I want to impregnate undyne my fish wife
>>4147852she will lays her eggs and then you can cum over them
You learn to appreciate the things you took for granted when subversive parasites take them away and everyone cheers.
>>4147860yeah col I kinda think the same but you don't have anything new to add to this subject anymore
what will be the thing whose fandom understanding will be flipped upside down after 6?I bet we don't know a tenth about what is really going with with Carol as a character and her role in the story
>>4147863Probably something to do with Susie, it's the only reveal that won't tie into telling us something about THAT DAY that the game is able to pull off without vagueposting.The whole game's been fucking with our perception of Kris, Chapter 4 fucked with our perception of Ralsei, Chapter 5 completely fucked with our perception of Noelle, now it's Susie's turn so Chapter 7 can be primarily centered on the culmination of finally showing us the raw, unfiltered truth of Kris Dreemurr and why he's doing what he's doing.
>>4147863almost certainly dess knight possibly also the final tragedy, in which people have decided it's the most boring shit imaginable like susie having to kill noelle or some dumb shit like that
>>4147865>another susie chaptersighat least we will know what the fuck is going on with her home life that the story has spent 70% of it's run time avoiding addressing in a non vague manner
>>4147865>susie actually has the most basic white bread family imaginable outside of moving a lot and she's just a stupid cunt to everyone for kicks
>>4147868Expel her anyway. She doesn't do homework, comes to school looking like shit,and eats school supplies.
>>4147863Kris's gender.
>everyone was perfectly fine with undertale having signs, bookshelves and NPC dialogue teaching you about the story and the mechanics of this fictional world in an straight forward and simple manner>everyone gets upset if I say deltarune should have done the same instead of everything we learn being vibes about a character's emotional state delivered through vague statements and dialogue that gets cut off and then never brought up againactual brain damage
I wasn't paying attention, what happened to kick off this thread?Or it this just the speed of regular deltarune threads without jannies?
>>4147871that's just toby borrowing the writing style from mother 3, it worked well for undertale but it sucks ass in a non-hot way for deltarune
>>4147871We do learn about the story, but most of our time is spent in wonderlands that were created five minutes ago (except Castle Town, but Ralsei is a chronic liar).Flowery told you about the mechanics, don't worry about it.
>>4147871>flavour text works well in a game that was much shorter and released as a finished product>the same kind of text does not work in a game with extremely staggered episodic releases at 3X the lengthtoby will out himself as one of those writers who cannot do long form stories to save his lifea one hit wonder for short stories
>>4147879But MOTHER 3 was nowhere near as badly done as this.
>>4145883you can always tell a fake deltarune leak by how much it uses theory slop/bait for it's evidence.cool af menu tho.
>>4147863ralsei evilcarol goodsusie is a bad friend
>>4147871Undertale being incredibly simple and game-like in its writing was part of the gimmick.Deltarune being LESS like that is part of the gimmick.I think Toby is overcorrecting a bit but the intent is pretty clear and it doesn't come across as directly worse because of that.
>>4147827>he's evil and he should dieJust like you've said about every other character you've demanded to be able to kill, how curious
>>4147882yeah, that's because toby is just copying it without thinking of what made it great
>>4147824he survived, actually, cutting him in half is hardly a big deal, plus, the lightners have suffered worse and were attacked more often but no one's moralfagging the darkners about it
>>4147835and we have the right to fight back to save the world too
>>4147890Mind, he actually spares Papyrus because he's the only monster in Undertale who doesn't attempt to kill him, yet even though Flowery ALSO doesn't kill the heroes, he's deemed a bastard who must perish.The WAIT is singlehandedly creating double standards.
reminder that no matter how bad the wait or the rape gets, femkris will be there for (you)
>>4147899I have to say that East asian artists sometimes portray Kris as the most beautiful woman in the world and I really really like that.
>>4147900would be a reveal most kino at the very endthe goblin creature known as kris dreemurr was actually the prettiest princess of them all
>>4147895His "fight" will never be lethal.Your "fight" should never be lethal in turn.
>>4147905He's also a meta fucker who knows that, quite literally, nothing is at risk because so long as the player cannot progress, neither will time. Him and the other flowers will be everlasting, a moment stretched out perpetually. The Knight will not arrive. The day will never proceed. The flowers will never wilt.This is why he wants to fight for the flowers' dreams, even if it seems foolish from the perspective of "you're going to die anyway, you retards."
>>4147902Maybe it's because we're playing as Kris and she sees herself as something ugly and not worth saving, then when we get into the Vessel their sprites jump so high in quality that it's unreal.
Reminder that after you win Knight fight, Kris always ends up at 1 HP after you regain control, despite the seemingly peaceful "get down" that Knight conveys onscreen.Either Kris is a self-harm glutton, or Knight's a vile bastard and the sudden cut to offscreen was to hide how brutally Kris got whooped for letting that fight even get that risky in the first place.This basically INSTANTLY discredits Carol, Rudy and Asriel, because all of them love Kris too much to physically abuse him like that, nor do I think they would just stand there and let Kris stab himself to 1 HP.Either Knight has no identity, or it's Abnormal Dess, who sees all of this as a funny nostalgic throwback.
>>4147909what about the doe of asking why you can't even say stop anymore?
>>4147909I'm sure Carol would do that.
>>4147911Genuinely possible as well, for all we know she's nursing a vicious grudge against Kris for basically ruining her life that twisted her perception into a fucked up love-hate, because we genuinely do not have a real read on who Noelle is anymore after WR5 beyond "desperate to break her monotony and free herself."
>>4147912Nah. Kris is literally the only person she's warm towards in the present day. She neglects Rudy and lets him get fucked up, she neglects Noelle to the point that Kris had to learn how to break into the Holiday Manor to get her into her own home, and given that Carol said he's welcome anytime, she genuinely doesn't mind the repeat breaking and entering because she's just THAT fond of him.
>>4147913i get the feeling that the two of them resent each other in some fashion but it's muddled with so many happy memories of what life was like prior that they can't really express how they feel about the otheri also get the vibe of them being co-dependant but forced apart, likely a trauma bond of some kind, possibly dating even earlier than THAT DAY
>>4147914>He's welcomeAs (You) Know.
>>4147916How Dess reprimanded Kris definitely played an inspirational part in how Noelle eventually decided to get back at Kris whenever she couldn't hide behind her big sister, and as we know Kris is one of two people Noelle has no problem saying "no" to, the other being Rudy.
>>4147909>AsrielAnon, you know exactly how sadistic that guy can be when he wants to.
>>4147920Yeah, when he's lived an unfathomable amount of time as a soulless flower that can't feel anything except sick sadistic pleasure from being a bastard, especially a soulless flower that's systematically memorized literally every single variable he can possibly gather out of the entire unknowably vast population of the Underground that isn't gatekept by Sans intervening.
susie is the villain
Reminder to vote for Kris as Queen of /v/
>>4147928I wonder if I can they can enter both votes.
>>4147932Probably?
>>4147772Post Kris fucking Noelle or even interacting with her without us or as a consequence of our actions.
>>4147863The reason the Knight is kidnapping people.
>>4147899I want the rape, but thankfully I can get that from geno Frisk and Chara.
>>4147932All the humans or other gender neutral characters can enter both votes, Kris entered King last year. However we all know Aqua and Noelle are sweeping.
>>4147556>I went Weird after the disappointment that was chapter 5 and it's the only thing that temporarily fixed my distaste for the game.Same. After the shitshow that was the chapter and its sad excuse of a shadow crystal boss I really wanted the weird route (which had been super gassed for almost 5 years btw) to do it justice. I was honestly super invested into it and was ready for 3 hours of pure kino, unfortunately that would've been too good for Toby and so he decided to blueball me.>>4147697This too, I finally wanted to get back at that smug faggot but noooooo>That is NOT how we are gonna beat you!Genuinely fuck off Toby, it's like he tried doing everything in his power to make it as unenjoyable as possible.
>>4147882Mother 3 sucks ass. Boring ass game I spend most of the time having no idea what I'm doing with even less context than Deltarune. It has Toby fox's humor but actually lame and full of annoying anime gags. Boring gameplay with repetitive encounter and stupid characters.
Quick reminder to keep your expectations for chapter 6 extremely low.>Noelle doesn't actually come to castle town>"That day" isn't tackled at all, again>The knight's identity isn't revealed>Stuff happens that causes (You) to not be able to meet with Seam and finally conclude the shadow crystals quest>No new mentions of the eggs or eggman>Friend is either a single appearance again or skipped completely>ERAM doesn't appear>Completely lacking a superboss to offer the player an actual challenge>Things from previous chapters like the final prophecy will be yet again treated like they never happenedAnd for the more delusional anons>Absolutely zero (0) hidden or extra weird/aborted route content
>>4147960Raped by Chapter 5 award.
>>4147962What are your expectations for Chapter 6, anon?
Chapter 6 will have twisted kinoI believe in Toby
>>4147960>what if the game sucked?!daring today aren't we
>>4147967>What if the game was like chapter 5?
>Anons in the CH2 era and ESPECIALLY the 3+4 era were convinced that Chapter 5 was going to be the peak of the gameKEK
>>4147969>jjba part 7 must be bad because jjba part 6 sucks Don't judge a man for the sins of his father
>>4147966Its going to be short and boring and have one "duh" revelation in it
>>4147971Being far with folks that got raped with 5, Toby fucking dared to mention he can't post ch5 ost because it would be ''''spoiler'''', saying something like that would make anyone cream their panties with expectations, even if you love 5, you have to admit that was the most rapist move ever
People still saying "Noelle won't come to castletown or be relevant" and "Seam won't give you the ShadowCrystal" while also giving no evidence for either of these statements is proof this thread has a pathological need for the game to be bad.Also most complaints about chapter 5 in this thread are CoL-tier.
>>4147959Make Noelle a member of the Midnight Crew!
>>4147960>Noelle doesn't actually come to castle townPossible>"That day" isn't tackled at all, againUnlikely but it is possible that it will tackled in a vague way that doesn't actually give you that much information, basically a less vague version of what happens in 5, but still vague enough that you don't get the full picture>The knight's identity isn't revealedPossible but I don't think it's unlikely that you'll get more hints, or at least get something that disqualifies some of the current candidates>Stuff happens that causes (You) to not be able to meet with Seam and finally conclude the shadow crystals questUnlikley but what I do think is likely is that even if you do get to meet Seam, you won't be able to craft the pure crystal yet, or if you can, you won't actually be able to do anything with it yet.>No new mentions of the eggs or eggmanUnlikely>Friend is either a single appearance again or skipped completely50/50>ERAM doesn't appearLikely>Completely lacking a superboss to offer the player an actual challenge50/50 but if there is a superboss it might be Seam>Things from previous chapters like the final prophecy will be yet again treated like they never happenedLikely>Absolutely zero (0) hidden or extra weird/aborted route content100% happening
>>4147969A consistent theme among speculation about future chapters is that everyone thinks every chapter is going to be the exact as the last one.See:>In chapter 2 we're gonna explore more of Card Kingdom and see more enemies based on playing cards and other games! (assuming you weren't one of the fags who thought chapter 2 was just going to be Chara Genociding everyone)>In chapter 3 we're gonna explore a giant city with two guest lightners, and there will be a WEIRD ROUTE where you get the first guest lightner to kill the second guest lightner! And there'll be an EPIC SCHIZO BOSS too!!!>In chapter 5 we're gonna The 7 Aces Of MANCOUNTRY Light World Tree Egg 11 Years Deltarune Gaster Prophecy Trauma Kris Vessel The Vessel Forgotten Man Goner Gaster Copies Are Monochrome.>In chapter 6 we're gonna...
>>4147984>Chapter 5 had nothing>People now predict Chapter 6 will be a nothing chapter as well>Everyone's expectations have been set to the floor, making any and all plot moving forward will blow everyone's mindsSasuga, Toby-sama
>>4147959Undertale/Deltarune?
>>4147987Likely origin of the Roaring Knight's design
The Side B Soul if it was real.
Using the last image slot to say the Twisted Sword WILL have its own route in chapter 6 and it WILL be kino.
>>4147991I laughed at the people who thought 5 would be a dating sim where you choose which girl you want to go to the festival with when it finally came out, and I will laugh at twisted route believers when 6 comes out.
>>4147992That one was hilarious. Maybe someday I need to go back in the archives and see what cope they were using to believe in something like that.
>>4147980I gave reasons in the threadNoelle coming to castle town would mean writing a completely different reaction for the dark world with aborted, Noelle would need to ignore that snowgrave was real, and she literally tells you she liked casting it, thanks to the rape i think Toby is too lazy to make something like just like how the festival WR was skippedWith Seam i think it would be just too fucking funny, but once again, Toby might not want to advance the shadow crystal plot too much because he wants to leave it for 7All my problems in a nutshell is that i think Toby is too fucking lazy to make multiple scenarios kek
>>4147995>Noelle would need to ignore that snowgrave was realShe could do this though
>>4147997Yeah sure, would be boring because i think that's the lazy option but it's possible, but also she probably still think that the darkworlds were fake so she abandoned her hope to cast snowgrave again, unless she enters in one again and confirms it was real, that unused ferris wheel scene she shows interest in them
>>4147993Rpgmaker game with de facto infinite funds 10 years in the making, o algo. Silly anons thought they'd get to make a single choice in the NR that actually branches the game out.
>>4147992The fucking game dares to asks you multiple times ''who are you taking to the festival'', people feeling raped for pressing ''button that does nothing'' was given, and even if you say le choices don't matter, changing a bit wouldn't hurt anyone
I love the rapeEspecially the don'tRAPE DON'TRAPE DON'T
>>4147993It was just HMOFAfags being delusional as always.
>>4148001The theory of Striped "Hometown Butcher" Bird parroting the last thing spoken to him is some shit. Who else did he put on the cutting board?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz-JFY24EPI
Move>>4148005>>4148005>>4148005
>>4148003I still won in the end with my underwater rotten wet doessy THO
>>4148007Delusional as always.
>>4148004>Who else did he put on the cutting board?Unnamed off-screen book NPC in ch1 that the bird was blocking your pathNormal npc in ch2 parrots about ''i love reading'' if i remember
>>4148010What delusion unless you are one of those retards that think 7b will be a black screen
>>4148018I think he's referring to the USED UP part.
>>4148021Yeah but my fan artists like goomy told me that they will die in a romantic way and surely they won't lie to me
>>4147355Did you not pick up on that immediately? This is not a recent development.
