Discuss the magnificent performance of Soulkey, who has won his fourth ASL in a row earlier today. Given that the meta is much more brutal now than it was in the KeSPA era, with less emphasis on economy and more on aggression, this is definitely the most impressive Zerg performance of all time.Old thread: >>2000273
thanks for fucking spoiling it for me dude
>>2048397Spoiler: there's a fifth one on the way!
>>2048326buddy, he plays zerg lol. maybe if he won as an actually challenging race rather than the most OP race at prolevel then i'd agree. also i imagine mapmakers will still make all maps zerg favored next season.
Best played like a B rank protoss all series and Soulkey still could barely win. I think the day a protoss player with more than 80 IQ is born the other races will never win again
>>2049033Alternatively: P is so overpowered that all P players can be autistic brutes and still be competitive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvX2NwIJ6AU
Potential common sense balance changes to bring Z on par with the other two races: 1. More hive upgrades. Something like hydra armor and lurker range.2. Addressing the production issue. Something like lair and hive tech give one extra larva per hatchery. 3. At least one building advantage. Something like enemy units cannot use abilities and spells on creep.
first disingenuous balance posting, now spoiler posting. Please get help OP, whatever mental illness you have, it's treatable
Kneel.
>suggesting even more buffs for the most OP race in broodwar and starcraft 2zergniggers really need to get their terminal skill issue treated
>>2049213zerg's "barracks" will still cost 500 minerals though
Orange Cloud is OP
>>2050265>literally ZDS
>>2049207Artless is up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuA-zF5D0No
>>2049492>>2049990>mfw terrannies will 41% when flash gets soulkeyed in the groups
>>2050265>>2050296Soulkey Won with a Mutalisk Timing Attack but our Fact-Checkers Previously Scanned and Found a Hydralisk Den in His Main-a-Lago. This is the 43rd Build Order Lie that He has Made in this Series so Far.
>>2050265>>2050296>>2051478Bonjwa at Flip-Flopping. Soulkey Threatened to Bust with No Fewer than Fifteen Hydralisks. He Didn't. Here's What You Should Know. (Subscriptions to Aiur Today ensure quicker forge rebuilds)
>>2050265>>2050296>>2051478>>2051979All Zergs Agree on Hatchery Before Pool—except Soulkey. Marines and Zealots Are Angry.
still havent watched the finale since it was spoiled. i hear the games are good, but knowing the final result ruins it all.
>>2053249if best had won i'd watch all of it but soulkey again is uninteresting
>>2053249>>2053268was hype watching it go to game 7shame you guys missed out by getting spoiled
does it feel bad that Best lost? he was one game away.
>>2053249>>2053268>>2053275>>2053546>the ABSOLUTE state of tossers
>>2053689i play terran though.
>>2053689i don't even play the game though.
>>2053546I didn't expect him to actually get close honestly, soulkey seemed invincible this whole season but made a bunch of mistakes, and he looked beatable against snow too. Feels like the best protosses are finally catching up to him and it's a matter of time before he happens to lose a match.Terran on the other hand is done for lol
>>2053546Protoss losing always feels good
>>2053838Flash will win next season
>>2054239nah, all the maps will be anti-terran maps for some reason rather than anti-zerg.
>>2054242Maps in general are already anti-Zerg since P and T can wall and Z cannot. A normalization of maps would entail things like: naturals that cannot be walled, naturals that are further away from the main so T and P cannot defend two bases with one wall, naturals with neutral creep at the choke so Z can wall, more destructible doodads all over the map that permanently close paths to punish T and P staying on two bases forever, etc.
>>2054353kek. i like how you dont even try to hide it.
i hate all of the naturals having no space to do anything so mutalisks can rape workers
death valley is the only zerg map this season and it's the designated joke map>muh metropolisbad for zerg because of short rush distance
>>2054615Saying soulkey won because of maps is wild. Yeah man, the greatest player in the world, maybe of all time, he only won because of the map pool bro trust me. It's only four times in a row with four different map pools, it's just map bias.Afreeca prompts an AI song with "break the wall" as the season's theme and bro thinks they wanted to rig it so soulkey wins
>only zerg map>every map lets mutas kill workers for free>every map gives free places to park your overlords so you dont have to really scout>ur gayhuh
>>2054615It was picked by Snow and Best.
>>2054428>>2054646What does this mean? How would any map prevent this? Can you draw it in paint?
>>2054821this map forces zerg to spawn in the bottom right corner of the map in an island base. there is a death zone preventing the zerg from leaving their base for 5 minutes. zerg gets 1 mineral patch with no gas.
>>2054823After seeing that Best fumble on Death Valley (pre-brain timing attack from Soulkey?), yeah...this is par for the course.
Can someone shop a group of marines with the troonjak face (hanging or otherwise), with "oooh yeah" and "that's the stuff" erratically pasted a dozen times all over them, and a couple of medics with this tradwifejak face, with their energy values almost depleted, implying that they cannot cast restoration, i.e. cannot restore the marines' genitals? Thank you. Optional: assorted Zerg units in the background with the grinning neowojak face with the trimmed beard.
>>2055094no
>>2055094what the hell is wrong with you
>>2055094Here you go.
This thread is fucking awful, you people should be ashamed of yourselves besmirching the reputation of a good game with faggotry like this.
>>2054817Best thought he could ape his way to victory with lol2gate and was throughly bamboozled. I don't remember what Snow did on that map t b h
>>2054817They both thought "surely I will win because my planning is superior", not realizing a map where 3 supply of zerg units can turn your main into an island base is, in fact, a zerg map
>>2055641Terrannies should be ashamed of themselves for besmirching the game by playing Terran.
How did this map make it in? I've been literally shaking all season. Does Korea have no sensitivity consultants to make sure broodwar is a safe and inclusive space for bipocs such as myself?
>>2055641Blame the resident /vst/ schizo.
>>2056370as the resident national socialist that is not what you think it is
>>2056370as the resident national zionist this is exactly what you think it is
>>2056370High tier nazi sorcerer here. What low tier grunts don't know is that the swastika is actually a celestial body always displayed in the night sky, by the stars rotating around polaris, the pole star. Because it's only visible from the northern hemisphere, this grants superior northern races our hyperborean magic aura. Koreans actually have the same aryan ancestors so their genetic blood memory drove them to craft this map in the celestial swastika's mystic image. Hope this helps.
Shouldn't ghosts be a counter to mutas since they are designated small?
>>2056700I'm sure you're kidding but it's understated how fucking shit ghosts areGhosts require you to build six tech buildings before you can produce a single one, and they don't even start with cloakImagine if zerg could only build their defiler mound after building an ultralisk cavern first, and then the defiler mound required a special upgrade to produce defilers, and they also had to research dark swarm. And the defiler had a zergling's stats, instead of 80 health and 1 base armor
>>2056700no because ghosts deal concussive damage and mutas are medium sized. So they deal 25% damage on top of being very gas expensive
>>2054239I'm no expert, but Soulkey really dictates the game so much, I'm not sure if Flash can do anything
>>2056734Mutas are small, but it doesn't matter anyway. concussive is purely worse than normal damage, it doesn't deal more damage to small units, it's just a nerf vs everything elseGhosts could deal quadruple damage to mutas and they still wouldn't be a counter, because 5 mutas can arrive at your base in 6 minutes while your ghosts aren't even made yet
>>2056700Too expensive/too much tech needed. You need science facility for ghosts, which already gives you a better counter, (vessel). By the time you could produce enough ghosts to matter, mutas are already a non-issue.For what it's worth, micro training maps have teached me mass ghosts do kinda wreck mutas.
>>2056700Mutas die to marines and are hard countered by one unit (not unit type, literally one vessel) in the early game.
>>2057572Mutas haven't been hard countered by irradiate for ages. Zergs are too good at microing and splitting, making vessels before valkyries may as well be considered greed now. If you see a terran base under attack and the only thing that can save them is coming from their blinking starport, and it's not a valkyrie, they're done forhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljkHcQTVXVEssak deals a shitload of damage in this game, gets four vessels with full energy vs. spire tech only, then dies. Attacks a muta-based army with the unit that's supposed to counter mutas and gets destroyed.
>>2057755There was one irradiate on the mutas and they weren't stacked. He wasted the energy irradiating a scourge (???) and casting matrix. Soma still didn't engage with the mutas afterward.
>>2057878>and they weren't stacked.That's basically the point. It used to be that if you landed one or two irradiates the stack of mutas melted. Now they just don't, they either unstack them or instasplit the irradiated muta and it's fine. Of course he fumbled the attempted kill move anyway but it shows why the old irradiate tactic feels more like a "gotcha" move nowadays. If those were valkyries instead of vessels he'd have simply wiped the mutas, still would've lost for other reasons but yeah. I'm not saying vessels are bad of course, you always prefer to have as many as you can use in the long term, it just no longer feels like they're the anti-muta unit. As micro naturally improves over time, Terrans got better with valkyries and zergs got better against vessels simultaneously.
you guys are retarded
>>2059296thank you
>>2058523The vessel cries out in pain as it irradiates you.
>>2057755>making vessels before valkyries may as well be considered greed nowterrankeks are absolutely delusional
why does starcraft attract the most schizos of all rts games?
>>2060193>20 years of i maek marine>oh my reddit d00d i'm gettin the super duper nerd chillerinos in my prostatino at this pipest playerinooos LOLZZZZZZZZZZ >zergchad wins FOUR asls in a row when the game is at its hardest >w-w-w-w-why does starcraft attract the most schizos of all rts games?
>>2060193>terranschizophrenics, psychotics, bipolars>zergturbo autists and incels>protossdudebros and chads
>>2061739Terrannies: bpd, narcissists, borderlines (i.e. trannies)Zergs: schizoids (so-called psychotics in psychoanalysis)Protoss: autists, extremely dim normies
bump
it's ogre
*comes up from the depths*heh time to get my ass banned on a blue board
toot is this the end
fuck him, bro
well we're gonna need a new homethis aint gonna work
friday the thirteenth strikes again...
none of you nigs added me offsite how am i gonna get the new board
does this mean the sites not coming back....
he just dumped us off at a time when not many were online with no warning, without a chance to set up our new home first
what the fuck is wrong with toot
reminder that i created a backup board and posted the link on 162 many timesknew that toot gave up given that he wouldnt bother fixing the delay on replies
the creator becomes our destroyer.... how ironic....
>>2066468post the sauce!!!
ok im in the new site i found the bookmark
guess were posting on the ziicord
okay guess im leaving forever and taking my good posts since no one wants to invite me
ww3 started and toot just drops us like a hot potato
>>2066468i dont remember the link man
someone post the link im done with toot being a crying pissy cunt all the time
lol scv2 is way better without the nolinkers bozos. IQ really increased
the site is back up btw i think toot was joking around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKWm_xb5IMo>soulkey must be stopped>the maps arent even that anti-zerghuh
>>2069724See: >>2054353
>>2070122bro, your sunken colony?
>>2070122>"zergs can't wall" he says, transforming his 1 supply hydralisks and 0 supply larvae into units with 10 armor to form instant walls like age of empires buildings
play a season on only the maps BW shipped with. all of them.
>>2060191bugfixed valks are just that busted
>>2070318in all sorts of competitive games there's stuff like this where the best of the best do it, but the rest of us don't
>>2070318>can only do this 10 minutes in>at that point your opponent already has storm>doesn't work vs terran anyway because maps have fuckhuge ramps now and marines just walk past the eggsMeanwhile terran full walls with his first 3 buildings and is 100% safe while also fucking you with bunkers and vultures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEyTy2y-FF8Terrannies will NEVER be ok if Flash returns and loses to Soulkey in the ASL. Granted, this is a shitty online format with minimal stakes so not representative of either player's skills.
i only post in this thread now so that the lonely zerg whiner can have a friend
>>2074414jesus christ this guy's voice is awful
i hate reavers so much its unreal
i love reavers so much its unreal
>>2075207PROTOSS = BUGSDRAGOON = BUGREAVER = BUGCORSAIR = BUGCARRIER = BUG
Common sense balance changes, nothing major (adding/removing units):T:1. Medics cannot heal units while either of them is receiving damage.2. Spider mine damage reduced by 50%.3. Irradiate damage reduced by 50%.4. Bunker cost increased to 250 minerals.5. Turret cost increased to 100 minerals.6. Repair must now be researched. Requires machine shop.7. Command center cannot be lifted.P:1. Zealot hp and shields reduced to 50/75.2. Dragoon range now implicit, shields increased to 100.3. Psi storm range reduced to 8.4. Scarab path finding fixed, duds fixed.T and P:1. Cloaked units are no longer invincible and can be manually killed.Z:1. Hydralisk damage changed to normal.2. Lurker burrow time reduced by 50%.3. New hive tech upgrades like adrenal glands: hydralisk movement speed upgrade, to a speed of about 6, and lurker range upgrade, to a range of 8.4. Enemy attacks can now miss burrowed units, as if they were attacking uphill.5. A sweeping 50-50 change to the greater spire, guardians, devourers: all costs and build times reduced by 50%, all hp, speed, damage, and rate of fire increased by 50%.6. Ultralisks gain splash damage.7. Lair makes all hatcheries produce 4 larva, and hive 5 larva.8. Maximum creep spread of all buildings doubled.9. Creep reduces enemy spell effectiveness by 50%.10. All building hp increased by 50%.
man this guy doesnt give up lol. you killed the thread long ago with your retardation but i guess you must continue
This game doesn't get more fun the better you get at it, it's just more and more busywork you're forced to deal with. Without autistic Koreans game would have unironically died decades ago.
>>2078137Soulkey won. Terrannies lost. Tossers lost.
>>2078153someone needs to design an RTS that's as fun to play as brood war is to watch. I have some ideas, like a unit AI with "simulated micro" where units deplete a global mana resource every time they do something intelligent on their own and units in focus are prioritized. also replace the minimap with a much larger "schematic view" which is interactive and allows various functions, with less space reserved for the high-detail sprite or 3d gameplay view.also the economy could work completely differently with no harvester units (workers could still make buildings though), the main way to gain value is by whittling down your opponents army and econ mechanics are just a way to reinforce or evolve to a different comp with relatively little scaling up. remember, chess starts with a full board of pieces and ends with just a few, there's no reason RTS has to commit to being the total opposite.
>>2078153As you get better at spinning plates you have to spin more plates, this means there's diminishing returns on micro because your attention/screen can only be in one place at a time. If you remove that aspect then those same autistic Koreans suddenly level up 500% as they can now dedicate their massive APM purely to unit control, and the game would be even less fun for you
>>2078294I assure you it would not.
they should have updated the building sprites to show when they're building/upgradingfuck zerg
>>2078137unironically stopped posting in these threads due to this one dumb fucking schizo nigger. If I was a janny I'd ban that faggot forever and keep banning him every time he came back. We unironically need to start gatekeeping this board.
>>2078749that would be a change that could maybe make zerg like .15% less good, i doubt seeing an evo chamber pulsating would terribly affect things
>>2079225it's more about consistency than actual balance
>>2078860See: >>2078183
Average Terranny: https://www.twitch.tv/artosis/clip/CarefulSavoryEagleAMPEnergyCherry-IhGOpicZbDcpPrMz?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
>>2079555grim
>>2079555I can't believe he didn't get banned after dropping a hard R like that
Has there ever been an infest command center game in pro play? Asking as someone who is almost done with the campaign and that's about all the starcraft I know. Also what should I watch to know if watching competitive brood ward might actually appeal to me, I watch some other esports, mostly league, so I'm kind of interested to see if I want actually get into brood war.
>>2080090It's rare at pro level but it has happened. Usually when zerg is playing vs mech terran you get queens anyway, so might as well infest. There was also one famous game back in the day were Zero used it vs a protoss player in a map that had a neutral CC you could infest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo>what should I watch to know if watching competitive brood ward might actually appeal to meCheck out ASL, that's the biggest current league. Last season just wrapped up a couple of weeks ago. There's also KCM race wars and Ultimate Battle going on more frequently, plus daily proleagues but that might be harder to get into if you don't understand Korean. You can check out old Kespa era (pre-SC2) games if you don't mind potato quality. And also the old Pimpest Plays compilations if you want a taste of early 2000's Starcraft.
>>2080090also https://www.youtube.com/@ArtosisCastsArtosis uploads a cast of pro players pretty well every day, sometimes from tournaments/showmatches, sometimes just ladder games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ttdGT9_wxQTERRANNY ARE YOU OK?
>>2083405This is old news though? We've known that he won't play unless his wrist heals for like a year now
>>2083529>24 hours ago>oh my reddit flasherino is retvrning AAAAA mom get the camera I CAN'T WAIT 2 SEE HMI BONJWHOOPING SOULKEY IN AN EPIIIIIIIC SHOWDOWN LIEK BATMAN VS IRONMAN LOOOOLZZZ D00D PUT *clam emoji* TEH *clam emoji* PIMPEST *clam emoji* PLAYS *clam emoji* RIGHT *clam emoji* IN *clam emoji* MY *clam emoji* PROSTATE1111>now>th-th-th-this is o-old news th-though?
>>2083701uh oh tossnigger melty...
>>2080090Jesus Christ, those were the "pro players?" I COULD FUCKING BEAT THEM.
>>2083405>promises he'll come back laternothingburger
do you guys think there's any way soulkey loses this ASL? he never has to fight any zergs due to group selection and these maps arent even that bad for zerg overall.
>>2083816he had two 4-3s last time so yeah, he could lose. he's great at surprising people on new maps though, if they want him to lose it should be all old maps.
>>2083816The lack of ZvZ is partly down to luck. Soma just so happened to take his military service, Effort just so happened to retire, Queen just so happened to shit the bed several times, Larva hasn't come back yet if ever. Soulkey's run has happened during a time when the zerg race is missing some of its best players. Hero is the only serious zerg challenger and he narrowly beat him 4-3 in the finals a few seasons ago. fewer strong zergs = lower odds of zerg in ro8/ro4/finals, regardless of what he does in the group selection.
>>2083816Soulkey isn't exactly unbeatable, vs Snow and vs Best were both very close series and this season's maps are looking good for Protoss. Terrans have been looking pretty shit lately without Flash. Personally, I'm interested in seeing how Soma and Effort will do, considering they just came back.
>he bumpedwhy... you shouldve let it die...
Basedence vessels will never recover.
>>2078099Fantastic.
>>2078099Please tell us more! We are in need of your superior intellect.
>>2097861why reply to your own posts to bump your own thread? you've already killed all discussion of starcraft, is that not enough lol?
starcraft needs a popular vtuber to stay alive
>>2097861I have given the matter some consideration, and will sketch some SC3 ideas.
>>2069724Low eco maps are pure shit for zerg whatcha talking about, everything about zerg is needing to expand due to needing gas, hatcheries for units and how much it costs to get to the good zerg units.I really really really hope they don't do anything retarded for the next ASL. Protoss and Terran just needs to gitgud
>>2100346zerg is the most OP race and has been since releasethere's a reason why everyone got anti-zerg units in brood war
>>2100875Zerg received the biggest nerfs with larva change and SP price increase and then everyone got anti-muta tech, medics, crazy strong units and meanwhile Zerg got useless units like devos
>>2100877>t.
>>2100877>got useless units>lurkers>anti muta tech>valkyrie come much later than mutas, do half damage to them, and are crazy expensiveo I am laffin
>>2100974Science vessels got huge buffs which is why SK Terran became meta
>>2100974Lurkers die to marines, even in large numbers. 125 gas vs. NO gas. Impossible to trade cost-effectively.
>>2100894>needing a t3 unit constantly casting a 0 damage spell just you don't die to t1 terranny units>this means zerg is.....OVERpowered XD
>>2100974>valkyrie come much later than mutas, do half damage to them, and are crazy expensive>3 valkyries (375 gas) can kill 12 mutas (1200 gas)Terranny math.
>>2101143>>2101146>>2101149why make 3 different posts
>>2101155Why maek marine?
>>2101143Just how bad is this? Well:12 lurkers = 1500 gas1500 gas = 60 (SIXTY) medicsTherefore, 12 dead lurkers, a common sight in ZvT, would have to kill 60 medics worth of m&m control groups, let's make it 2 medics per group, so 30 (THIRTY) groups, JUST TO BREAK EVEN. Abysmal.
>>21015741 defiler costs 150 gas and solos 200 supply of medics and marines lol
>>2101810technically the defiler doesn't solo them because plague can't kill units
>>2101810Defilers die almost immediately to irradiate. Its average lifespan is on par with t1 units. This is why you don't see more than two defilers on screen at the same time (compare with vessels, 12 or more on screen at the same time, or templars, 5 or 6).
>>2101574>no repliesGrim.
ASL when
>>21065512025-08-15. 1 day after the dawn of war definitive edition comes out.
>>2106622>8-15uh oh
why would a guy call himself a queen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QzpTTfFGjM>i make marine>i click marine>park units in front of base>reinforcements get killed>STILL almost win>i drop marine >terrannies can just afford to spam dropships while losing >STILL almost win>make...battlecruisers??>finally lose>all on TWO bases Explain.
>almost win>but he loses>totally means terran is OP since he lostyeah makes a lot of sense you fucking retarded nigger. go 41% yourself, faggot.
>>2109661>almost win>but he loses>totally means terran is OPCorrect.
>>2109661>>2109693To get an idea: consider KeSPA Protoss vs. ASL Protoss. Putting them side by side makes it clear that the former is an overachievement (I'm using the word pejoratively), the win rate is grotesquely inflated by the racial imbalance (up to and including a dedicated anti-Z unit and a dedicated anti-Z game mechanic), and the latter is simply the imbalance, arduously no doubt, overcome, and the proof that Tossers never knew what they were doing (even your Artosis mentions this), and still don't. The same thing has happened, to a lesser degree, with Terran.
>considerim not consdering anything you write
>>2110241Try not to dilate too much if Flash returns (he won't) and loses 0-4.
>>2109870post a video showing this comparison
'tosis casting asl qualifiers tomorrow...
>>2110652I was referring to the tournament win rate. Tossers have only won three ASLs.
protossbros, what the fuck is happening? this was supposed to be our season.....
So ensnare does not work on goliaths and tanks because...it just doesn't ok!
uh oh zerg tranny melty...
Season 20 spoilers!
is this the sc2 general?
>>2111599no, and i recommend you make a different general because we have a really bad schizo in this one that is probably the only one bumping the thread when it's about to die.
the other thread hit the bump limit and got archived and now sc2 is finally over so I think I will post here
>>2111634please don't bump this schizo zergfag's abortion of a thread for the love of god. you'd get better discussion out of a fresh bake.
>>2083405>cucking out confirmed OH NO NO NO NO NO
sc2sisters???
>>2112013Damn that's sad, nobody deserves to lose their child.lungs didn't make
le brud wor faec>>2112013Poor guy, I feel for him.
Why are terrannies ENTITLED to a worker with 50% more hp?Why are terrannies ENTITLED to an autocast unit?Why are terrannies ENTITLED to implicit repair? Why are terrannies ENTITLED to flying buildings? Why are terrannies ENTITLED to mines? Why are terrannies ENTITLED to maphack?
>>2112013>wife named Dotlolo
>>2112098>Why are terrannies ENTITLED to implicit repair?Zerg buildings are the only ones with implicit repair.Terran buildings require explicit instructions to repair and will burn down, something that Zerg and Protoss buildings do not do.
>>2112101Totally, sister! One hp every three seconds is like soooo much better than four scvs keeping a bunker alive forever for free.
>>2112098highest skill requirement to play
MARIO FUCKED LUIGI AND HE DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
>>2112119just kill the scvs 5head
holy killer vs barracks game one was fucking cinema
nadabros...
what did he mean by this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVdNL-Clrqo&t=1826s
>>2112098>maphack>which is a spell that requires two buildings then the comststion itself to get access>meanwhile his supply units get free detection right out the gate, fly, and get free spots on every map to park and be untouchabletry to make your bait more believable next time, zergschizo
>>2112569>80k peakoof, that's bad
>>211257330% more than last year
>>2112493>meanwhile his supply units get free detection right out the gate, fly, and get free spots on every map to park and be untouchable>meanwhile his supply units>supply units>unitsYes, units. Zerg detection requires units to be there to detect. Hacksat does not. Both vision and detection WITHOUT a unit being there, by the way. Terrannies are just entitled to that. Thank you for your attention on this matter.
why are the bwbabbs legitimately insane....
>>2112098Also, reminder that the terranny entitlement to build everything everywhere was so disgusting that they actually made THE MAJORITY of map terrain unbuildable for all. I believe this was done by the tournament people since Blizzard wouldn't touch terrannies.
https://old.reddit.com/r/broodwar/comments/1missw2/3_best_units_in_the_game/Artosis is wrong. The best units in the game are all T units. Here are just the most overpowered aspects of all T units. Mind you, there are MANY more for each unit, as well as many synergies and redundancies that make each unit even more overpowered.1. Scv: 50% more hp than other workers. Can implicitly repair all buildings and each other forever (if you're not mining you're dead anyway). Absurd.2. Marines: the only anti-air unit that costs no gas. Absurd.3. Firebat: cheapest source of splash damage in the game, a t1 splash damage unit, etc. Absurd.4. Medic: autocast heals marines. Absurd and gay.5. Ghost: caster that cloaks. Absurd.6. Vulture: no commentary needed. Absurd.7. Goliath: longest anti-air range in the game by far for 50 gas, same cost and supply as dragoon. Absurd.8. Siege tank: longest range in the game for 100 gas, same cost as a reaver, CHEAPER than a lurker. Is also the only unit in the game that can shoot while moving. Absurd. 9. Wraith: massive air to air damage and cloak, same cost a a mutalisk. Absurd.10. Valkyrie: massive air to air splash damage and range. Absurd. 11. Science vessel: no commentary needed. Absurd.12. Dropship: T should not have dropships. Absurd.13. Battlecruiser: arguably not overpowered in a vacuum. Still, given all the other disgusting units, just the fact that it exists at all is offensive. Absurd.
we should buff the scout
>>2113440i agree :)
they really should nerf zerg. too bad all the trannies, yuros, and faggots love the mutilated bug race, so it will never be nerfed
would you?
>>2113515no
mihusisters...
UHHHH TERRAN/ZERGBROS????I THOUGHT PROTOSS WAS OP???????????
anti toss maps
bwos.... im still not gay
>>2113462
Why are Zerg so hated? Real answers only
zerg is op
>>2113869That's not a real answer, and it doesn't seem reasonable to me. The different races all have their strengths that forces certain play.
defilers, mutas, and zerglings are better units than both other races combined though
>>2113863>real answers onlyThat depends, are we talking BW zerg or SC2 dindu nuffin zerg? BW zerg are just annoying to play against because of the aggro and creep letting them respond quickly to attacks. SC2 zerg have been routinely the most overpowered race throughout the games life span because blizzard is retarded and doesnt know how to do balance anymore. also the resident zerg schizo shitter that cannot comprehend that every race has strengths and weaknesses makes any zerg discussion pointless with is braindead takes.
>>2113874I was thinking specifically bw zerg
>>2113888a lot of it is due to how great defilers, mutas, lurkers, and lings are along with the nydus canal.
>>2113971Zerglings and lurkers die to marines (see: >>2101574), and needing to spam t3 spells (which are terrible and cannot kill anything) just to stay alive against marines (a t1 unit) means Z is UNDERpowered. Also, the average number of casts of one defiler is actually LOWER than that of a vessel or templar.
>>2113562Protoss players are mongoloids.
>>2114105marines die to lurkers and zerglings and need a tier3 unit (which are terrible and can't get infinite mana) just to stay alive against zerglings (a t1 unit) means Z is OVERpowered. also, the average number of casts of one vessel is actually LOWER than that of a defiler or a queen.
>>2114133?
>>2114140?
>>2113440I agree.
Isn't it curious how people never mention Flash's last two ASLs? In ASL 9 he got eliminated by Zero, who then beat Light in the final (possibly the single best Z tournament run before Soulkey). Which must have mind-broken him since he played random in ASL 10 and got eliminated by Soma. Bonjwomp womp.
>>2114253Flash didn't have a 100% win rate even at his peak, little zoomie.Also getting 3rd place as Random is a hell of an achievement.
>>2114288I mean people never mention how his last two ASLs went. Eliminated by a Zerg, then playing random and eliminated by another Zerg. Very sad.
>>2114253wonder how much match fixing went undiscovered
We are traveling to philly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjnY9f1jmrwThe virgin ultralisk vs. the Chad hydralisk. All redditors, gay9ners, teamliquidcrappers, etc. who claimed that hydras don't work against T: you should just smile aaaaaand BLOOOOOOOOOW MEEEEEE!
i think the question is more what zerg unit doesn't work against T. zerg is pretty OP if you havent noticed.
since there are a ton of zergs in the ro24, is there a chance that soulkey might actually have to play a matchup where he isn't the only one playing the OP race or will all these retards play like shit?
>>2114904>terranny map makers and troonament runners about to 41%>decide to commence mrt (map replacement therapy) and make maps as anti-z as possible (something very hard to do since general map design is already anti-z)>yaaaass these maps pass sister1>lesser zs get eliminated >soulkey wins another oneHmm...
>>2114904>D>zed>zed>zed>zedyou can't make this shit up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTLsKooKdE
>>2114904we better get some hive games out of group D
AHEM!
did you stole that from reddit again?
who is reddit
women owe me sex
>>>/v/717629058
>>2115769
twitch.tv/artosis
>>2115926>open stream>pajeet on camera>close stream
saaaaaaaaaaaaar
>>2115926did artosis instantly lose all his matches?
>doesn't even have a liquipedia pagedead game
>>2115926whats starcon?
>>2115969the biggest philadelphia bw lan
>>2115971is soulkey there
>>2115991He just lost to Machine 4 pool
DIE BY THE BLADE OF THE ONE YOU HATE
>stryker forgot to upgrade armor on ultralisks>shartosis still losing somehowI love foreign starcraft
>>2116043can't wait for artosis to not cast any of these matches on his casting channel out of shame of his awful performance
At least he didn't lose to the 4 interceptors guy
>>2115971You were supposed to say "starcon deez nuts"
>>2113402>still no repliesThanks you for your attention on this matter. Let's take each unit and list, or at least try to list, all of their overpowered features. SCV:1. 50% more hp than other workers. The reason given is the terranny building mechanic, i.e. terrannies are simply entitled to both cheesing and defending against cheese. Workers are SUPPOSED to die when you're caught attempting a bunker rush, proxy stuff, etc., and they're supposed to die when you fail to hold a rush. Should Z drones cost 50% less since they turn into buildings? Should P buildings build 50% faster since the worker leaves the building immediately? NO. Perhaps the single MOST shameless terranny feature.2. Implicit repair. Considering 1, why would the terranny worker ALSO have an implicit ability?3. Can repair each other for free forever. Considering 1 and 2, why would the terranny workers ALSO be able to repair each other?4. Can repair buildings for free forever. Considering 1, 2, and 3, why would terranny workers ALSO be able to repair buildings, which can also implicitly fly forever? 5. Can repair all mechanical units for free forever. Considering 1, 2, 3, and 4, why would terranny workers ALSO be able to repair mechanical units?6. Repair rate increases with SCV count. Considering 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, why would terranny workers ALSO be able to repair even faster?7. Can also be healed by medics. Considering 2, why would terranny workers ALSO be healed?Common retarded points:Objection: It has range and speed issues making it less effective in worker vs. worker fights. Answer: Considering all of the above, why SHOULD the terranny worker ALSO be good at worker vs. worker fights? A minor part of the game, and one that, again, is only relevant when it comes to cheesing and being cheesed which, as demonstrated above, is not an issue for terrannies, quite the contrary, in fact.Conclusion: The SCV is extremely overpowered.
repair costs minerals
>zergnigger doesnt know repair costs minerals>ayo i git free hp comin back so terran mus 2holy shit, nigger doesnt even play the game
>>2116754>>2116774If you are not mining you are dead. The cost is insignificant regardless. Repair is functionally free. Look at all the dragoon bust attempts that terrannies have held with just ONE bunker that they mass repair, for 25 years. Is there any difference between those games, as far as the subsequent terranny push, economy, tech, etc. and the games wherein terrannies did not have to repair anything ? No. Is there an economic disadvantage incurred by terrannies when they repair turrets against mutas? No. When they repair tanks in the mid game? No. When they repair their second command center after lifting it off, also for free, and holding off an otherwise killer rush? No. When they repair their first couple of vessels and valkyries? No. When they repair everything in those hour-long terranny vs. terranny games? No.
>>2113402>>2116741Marine: 1. The first terranny unit is not only ranged, but anti-air as well. 2. Range of 5. Same as Hydralisk and just 1 short of Dragoon.3. Costs just 50 minerals, same price as a worker.4. Fastest build time of all three first units.5. Is the only anti-air unit in the game that costs no gas.6. Production building costs the same as P Gateway.7. It has an ability that further increases its dps. 8. Just four of them can be put in a bunker to make the single highest dps static defense building. This is further exacerbated by the SCV points 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6. 9. Can be autohealed by medics. Common retarded points: Objection: You have to click Barracks and press the Marine hotkey a lot.Answer: Switch to Fortnite. Conclusion:The Marine is extremely overpowered.
>40 hp, less than the zealot or 2 lings (50 minerals for 2 35hp units by the way) which will kill it every time>4 range, needs 150/150 upgrade for 5 range, same as hydra>lower dps than hydra, needs 10hp stim to get higher dps for 12.6 whole seconds>loses hard to higher tech units, needs high numbers just to not get insta-raped by mutas which it supposedly counters>only really strong when in very high numbers, still has trouble taking down high armor targets like ultras>marine op guis!!1 it's t1 that can shoot up for only minerals that makes it op!!!!!kill yourself zergnigger (you) don't play the game
>>2116959Demonstrably false. SK Terranny is arguably the most successful single build, against Z, naturally. Moreover, Z cannot cost-effectively trade against Marines since they cost no gas.
can we just agree the probe is the most OP unit in the game
>>2117395The scout is better than the devourer
>>2117395this but ironically
when als start
soon
>>2117460the 14th or 15th?
we are watching stormgate
>balancewhining by directly comparing SC1/2 units >in 2025
>>2113402>>2116741>>2116926Firebat:1. Cheapest source of splash damage in the game by far. Costs 100 gas less than a Lurker, 275 gas less than an Archon, 75 gas less than a Mutalisk, 75 gas less than a Corsair, 75 gas less than a Reaver, 75 gas less than a Siege Tank, 100 gas less than a Valkyrie. 2. Can also be put in bunkers. This is further exacerbated by the SCV points 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, and by Marine point 8.3. Has an ability that further increases its dps. This is further exacerbated by Marine point 7.4. Can be autohealed by medics. Common retarded points:Objection: Firebats are almost never seen outside of TvZ SK Terranny builds, therefore they are not overpowered.Answer: Just because there are other much more overpowered Terranny units does not mean that the Firebat is not also overpowered. Conclusion:The Firebat is somewhat overpowered.
Reminder: Soulkey is the best Zerg of all time. The only reason why Jaedong was considered the best is that he lost to Flash a lot so redditors, gay9ers, teamliquidshitters hype him up in order to hype Flash up all the more. If, for example, Bisu had won as many OSLs as Flash, they would have hyped up Savior as the best for the same reason. As previously stated, the game is much HARDER now, both mechanically and in terms of knowledge and refinement of builds. If you look at 2012 games and compare them to the ASL 19 games, the former look SHOCKINGLY bad, i.e. sloppy control, idle units, bad builds, bad unit compositions, a ton of dead air, etc. Even Tossers are MUCH better today, compare Snow's games to Bisu's just when it comes to storms: higher storm number, more simultaneous storms, much higher storm accuracy and better timing, much higher templar survival rate, etc. Now consider how badly Tossers are doing in the ASL, that should give you an idea of how much better everyone else is. In fact, you can look at Jaedon's own ASL achievements, i.e. none, and compare them to Soulkey's. Terranny fans are a lot like TDS boomers, even their language (look at reddit and teamliquidshit) is identical with the one used in yankee one man shows (Colbert, Leibowitz, etc.). Thank you for your attention on this matter.
aislop wot
Shartkey isn't even as good as Soma
>>2117679pretty sure it's a single schizo, arguing with himself for a couple months now
>>2117976Low tier bait. In fact, Flash is not as good as Soma. Source: Flash is ducking Soulkey, while Soma is not. Sad.
>>2118106SPEAKING OF! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhewOR_gRXYARE YOU OK TERRANNY?
>>2117460august 18th
sucks that blizzard wrote themselves into a corner with their shitty WoW-tier story and we'll never get a starcraft 3 as a result.
>>2113402>>2116741>>2116926>>2117730Medic:1. Can autoheal all biological units (and SCVs XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD). The ONLY unit in the game that has autocast. Absolutely shameless.2. Heals TWO hp per ONE energy. Absolutely shameless.3. Costs just 25 gas (come to think of it, this is a hefty price for a Terranny unit) and 1 supply. Absolutely shameless.Common retarded points:Objections: If Medics were not shamelessly overpowered then Terrannies would have to make units other than Marines against Z. Answer: Indeed.Conclusion: The Medic is disgustingly, shamelessly, grotesquely overpowered and all games won with the SK Terranny build should be retroactively declared null.
saars this group will be the mostest cinema for real on brahmin
>>2118567this but unironically
>>2118567Hydras with very fast 1/1 are the future of ZvZ. Soulkey will do it.
>>2118109this one doesn't count
>>>/v/718007169
zombie grub is one of the ugliest women ive ever seen its actually ridiculous
said no one ever
>>2119034get out of the thread pizza face grub
I look better than her
>>2119041holy based
are any of the starcon games good? it's 8h long, but i may watch it all
Post classic starcraft matcheshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kli_-ucFgZY
youtube.com/CombatEXvsDestiny
>>2119165https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvX2NwIJ6AU&t=13940s
>st*rc*stew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8TwnsmwXYSoma vs. Flash. Wherein Flash gets hydra busted.
so when will there be maps that actually nerf zerg instead of these supposed 'bad for zerg' maps?
>>2119855never because zerg is the dedicated gookclick race, same issue as in zergcraft 2
>>2119855Maps already are anti-Zerg. See: >>2054353. Maybe they'll release a second batch of anti-Zerg units in the next expansion? Hang in there.
>>2113402>>2116741>>2116926>>2117730>>2118554Ghost:1. A caster that can cloak and attack. Note: cloaking is pseudo-invincibility. 2. Has the single highest damage spell in the game.3. Lockdown is retarded and the strongest spell of its kind.4. All for 75 gas and 1 supply, naturally. Common retarded points:Objection: Ghosts are only seen in Terranny on Terranny violence.Answer: True. However, that does not mean that they are not overpowered. Conclusion:The Ghost is somewhat overpowered.
overlord>free detection, no upgrade required>free scouting because it flies, every map has spots to park overlords for easy spotting>gets an upgrade for transport, other races need a t3 buildingzergling>50 minerals and 1 supply for 2 35 hp units, compared to just 40 for a marine>30 combined dps, up to 40 with adrenaline glands, more than a stim marine stim or a zealot>faster than all other ground units so its impossible to escape surrounds, especially with metabolic boosthydralisk>t1 unit that for 25 extra minerals and 25 gas gets double the hp of a marine and the DPS of a goliath without janky missiles>turns into a 10 armor wall on command, resulting lurker is roughly the same cost as a siege tank but has no minimum range and better splash application>lurker burrows faster than a siege tank deploys and burrowing makes it impossible to kill unless you have detectors, ramps guarded by lurkers are impossible to attack>despite being a splash attack it deals no friendly firemutalisk>single best harass unit>all maps are designed to allow mutas to get free kills on workers>single stack is enough to kill turrets and rape expos with ease>resulted in terran and protoss getting the valkyrie and corsair due to how oppressive mutas aredefiler>dark swarm cheese dust negates all incoming ranged damage for easy zergling surrounds, lurkers are unaffected though because lol lmao>gets the consume ability so you can directly turn minerals into energy and spam all the spells you want>gets an upgrade for even more energy because why not>plague affects all units and buildings, terran buildings are the only ones that die due to catching fire, all units hit now effectively have a timed life>less tech requirement and more hp than a ghostultralisk>200/200 for a 400hp battering ram with 6 armor>the one unit that completely shuts down terran bioas you can see by this list, zerg is exceptionally op and should be nerfed to oblivion and removed from the sequal.
>>2120111Very strange points. Let's just take the first two. Overlords are a liability since they do too many things and both T and P have dedicated anti-Zerg flying units. Zerglings scale terribly even in the mid game and are just a suicide unit after the early game (they would be totally useless if T and P did not feel ENTITLED to skip static defense).
>>2120111all of this is balanced by everything coming from larva
>>2120137>both T and P have dedicated anti-Zerg flying unitTo be fair, those were added in Brood War because mutalisks were completely broken. Zerg also got a dedicated anti-Zerg flying unit in BW, it's the Devourer. (it didn't work as planned)
>>2120188The devourer is in plentiful use in those rare island maps. Which is new several years ago in the big tournaments.You don't need a counter for mirror matches. The devourer was meant to be the zerg anti-battlecruiser/valkyrie/corsair unit. It did a decent job at that role, but that just meant it sucked because it even if it managed to win the air battle it couldn't do anything afterwards. Units like the devourer need to do really well at their job to be worth it since they are pure counter units.
Trivia:Soulkey beat Flash in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpAUDEiJMLQ
Island maps are universally terrible
>>2119926annyeonghaseyo dude
>>2120080Vulture:1. 75 minerals for the fastest unit in the game.2. 75 minerals for Spider Mines. Each Vulture spawns with three FREE Mines (free repair, free flying buildings, free healing...starting to see a pattern here) that do 125 (???) splash damage, equal to an UPGRADED Scarab (?!?!?!), and it does not even require the Vulture to be there, or to even be alive (vision and detection with no units, splash damage with no units...the list goes on). Mines are also invisible. 3. Since the Mines do not replenish, Terrannies are REWARDED for throwing Vultures away. Absolutely disgusting. Common retarded points:Objections: None. Conclusion: The Vulture is extremely overpowered.
new tosis just dropped lads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxxKnyVR0g
We love Stormgate!
>>2121282
Hydra-lurker with +1 armor making marines run and apezerging the Terranny base (defilers were out but did not partake in the final attack): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzKyTWzHw74
The future of starcraft: brood war is v-tubers playing the ladder with hard core sex-coded avatars.
when is the artosis vtuber arc
what are we watching tonight?
dooby3d and maid mint
STORKSHARPBisuTYMiniSomaEffOrtCalmParalyzeJaedongTruehero
If you are C rank or below, only build zealots in Protoss versus Zerg. Trust me on this.
sharp-storkspeed-jyjmini-somacalm-effortmong-jaedonghero-royal
>>2121389might watch the old pure pwnage web series the first episode holds up well he talks about rts stuff
been watching the 2016 gsl season 2 and its great hearing tastosis actually have funny banter again and seeing tankivacs is actually kinda coolit was pre kespa collapse too and proleague and SSL were going ontruly better times compared to this dead internet theory shit we have going on now
>tankivacs>coolkill yourself terranny
>>2121456its refreshing zergs have the invincible nydus worm but they haven't figured out they can abuse it somehow everything toss has is cancer as always
of course, it's always the other races
>sc2
the jews did this
the jews made me do itit wasn't my fault
>>2121474sleep tight little anime :3
>>2121302>butt plug vibrator set up so your man on the inside (kek) can tell you what your opponent's build isgooncraft can't cum soon enough, but only if it's a bunch of cute korean women vtubers and not western 'vtubers' (male)
New to multiplayer and am playing protoss. Which Korean do I watch to get better?
>>2121712Artosis.
Soulkey enjoying some pre-ASL Terranny appetizer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3WeImhaLb4
As he pushed into the Zerg's mainMarine a-move total no brainPenetrated by the sunkensHe felt his testes cold and shrunkenSo he scrambled for the mech switchLurkers out now better hide bitchSo he cowered in the bunkerZerg on four gasGetting drunker Terranny, are you okay?So, Terranny, are you okay?Are you okay, Terranny?Terranny, are you okay?So, Terranny, are you okay?Are you okay, Terranny?Terranny, are you okay?So, Terranny, are you okay?Are you okay, Terranny?Terranny, are you okay?So, Terranny, are you okay?Are you okay, Terranny?Terranny, are you okay?Will you tell us where's your third base?There's a switch in the metaThen he struck you - hydra-lurker, TerrannyHe plowed into your tank line Bio-mech now died to the spineThen you loaded up the dropshipsYour last effortBut you ate shit
sooooooooooooooooo when will zerg be forced to actually play on difficult maps? doesn't look like they will this ASL, but maybe next one?
Less than 24 hours until ASL 20. Soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3dLS_QgWxM
>>2121835I guess I should also include a Terranny and Tosser soundtrack. Here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_S0qCeA-pchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3z54SZsLsA
Tasteless said that every ASL is going to use aislop songs now
>>2121848having a custom song called "break the wall" for the tournament theme of someone finally beating Soulkey "the iron wall" is kino however.The random licensed music might as well have been slop anyway.
are we a Die By The Blade thread or a Blind And Frozen thread?
>>2121848damn soop is so based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhWJPz-MyQit's up
>korean commentator said "terranny"
>bunker vs vulture>flying buildings vs anti-air units that cost no gasThe ABSOLUTE state of TvT...
>MUH DEFILER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE>first zerg game of the asl>he doesn't even make a hive>wins
>>2120570been watching tasteless for like 15 years and never once got the impression he understood a word of korean unless it was "soju" or something like "bipimbak"...."daebak"
>sacrifice 5 vessels just to be gay and annoyingIs THIS the genius of Terrannies?
>>2122615DEFILERS MADE: 0GAMES LOST: 0ZERGCHADS RISE UP!
slowly making my way through the starcon games, and they're actually pretty entertaining to watch.
It's over...
>>2122647>STILL no replies
>tfw blizzard warned us about hydra-lurker >tfw the pros could have just read the strategy guide and the kespa terranny dominance could have been avoided
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMdf2_Sc6zkiot's up
did they seriously copy even the maps?
>>2123080hope they're paying him big bux to do this
>>2122742https://youtu.be/Chz_DXVc2JY?feature=shared&t=615fug thought he was casting with tasteless for a second but its just some other bearded and bloated guy
>>2123183>8 hoursnah sorry tosis I ain't watching that shit
The Savior match fixing scandal. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? >whole thing began with a thread of teamliquidshit (seriously)>no evidence is linked or even mention on wikipedia or liquipedia or anywhere (just essays repeating phrases "it was found out", "the prosecution determined", etc.)>none of the players who beat savior (bisu, etc.) had their titles revoked or at least the match declared a no contest Nothing but a hoax, probably orchestrated by buttmad Terrannies. Prove me wrong. You can't.
https://www.newsis.com/ar_detail/view.html?ar_id=NISX20100514_0005195780>The Seoul Central District Prosecutors’ Office, Advanced Crime Investigation Division 2 (headed by Chief Prosecutor Wi Jae-cheon), announced on the 16th that it had uncovered a total of 16 individuals involved in manipulating the results of StarCraft tournaments. This included 11 current and former professional gamers such as the well-known pro gamer Mr. Ma, who took part in match-fixing, three brokers who orchestrated it, and two individuals who used the rigged information to place bets on illegal gambling sites.
>>2123694Yes, this is an essay. No evidence provided.
When I started reading that greentext I thought it would be about Tasteless'.. huh... cute and funny... endeavours
https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/055/0000182447
>>2123738>According to the prosecutor's office, this match was rigged. Big if true.
Soulkey straight up using Flash as a fleshlight now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AIlG49ilWU
Another day, another instance of hydra-lurker walking Terrannies down to their bases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azq6qW2uViQ
Wherein Soulkey apes the ape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mApGVNxKIq4
he will never be a banjo
it's over, everyone will switch to DoW4 now
zerg nerf when?
>>2123694>>2123738netizens must've flipped
It was never proven that Savior fixed matches himself, only that he served as a middleman and convinced other players to do it
Google Play ASL 20 It's uphttps://youtu.be/n052PiW0LKA
my wife and I
upgrade complete
>>2124822Why do they always post these 48 hours later? Bum City.
>>2125196because artosis doesn't want to wake up at 6am to cast
>>2125272>IT'S JUST 6 AM>IT JUST IS>TIME DID NOTHING>IT JUST SAT THERE
>zergoids and terrancucks always chimping out>tosschads just chillingWhy is this?
im a little surprised that sharp made it out of group A. he just didn't play very well in the winner's match or the last match of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziYH2CjFTco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3p0CVv5-Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3p0CVv5-Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3p0CVv5-A
>>2125863tomorrow i will watch it. right now, im masturbating
new stargirl doesn't know the game that well :/hope maternity leave wasn't a permanent exit for the other one
>maternity
>>2125978It's ok girls should be dumb
>>2120824Goliath:1. Longest ground to air range in the game for just 100/50 and 2 supply, CHEAPER than a Dragoon. Does not even require a machine shop to build. Why? 2. Ground attack does very high damage and is normal damage at that, range equal to Dragoon and Lurker.3. Smaller size ensures devastating dps in high numbers. 125 life.4. Literally a unit WITHOUT DISADVANTAGES.Common retarded points:Objections: Terrannies need it because they would otherwise die to MUH CARRIERS.Answer: Would Terrannies therefore agree to increase Hydralisk range to 9, to match psi storm range? Why are Terrannies the only race that gets these "needs" met by tailor-made units? They "need" more worker hp, they "need" flying buildings, they "need" repair, they "need" bunkers, they "need" autoheal, they "need" mines, they "need" to outrange all ground units, they "need" to outrange all air units, they "need" irradiate, they "need" emp, they "need" matrix, etc., etc., etc. Conclusion: The Goliath is extremely overpowered.
>>2126159have sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az7kTThwjYU>AAAAAAAAA I'M BOOSTIIIIIIIIIING!!!! - hero 2025
I miss nyoken casting asl
I miss gyuri
sorry lil bro she's just raising my kids now
>>2126467nyoken+scan were great
>mini killing all of saber's overlordsKEK
please... stop building valkyries... theyre so fucking shit and these retards can control them since mutas/scourge are OP.
>knockout is supposed to be anti 3hatch hydra>turns out to be massive lurker contain mapkek
why the hell is a zerg spamming ultras vs spidermines+tanks lol. what a retard.
then ssak walks around aimlessly in the middle of the map with all his tanks while losing all his eco lmao. what a fucking retard.
Seriously, what were they thinking when they designed this unit?
>>2126924hehe. wiggle.
>>2126159Siege Tank:1. Longest ground to ground range in the game. Longest range in the game. 2. Requires only factory and machine shop. Completely absurd.3. Is very fast in tank mode, does massive damage in tank mode, can also shoot while moving, the only unit to do so. 4. All for 100 gas and 2 (TWO!) supply. Cheaper than a Lurker. Can be massed on two bases. Utterly shameless.Common retarded points:Objection: Terrannies NEED victory-affirming units.Answer: You will never be a bonjwa.Conclusion: The Siege Tank is extremely overpowered.
>>2120111>(Lurker) despite being a splash attack it deals no friendly fireand>(Defiler) gets the consume ability so you can directly turn minerals into energy and spam all the spells you wantThese are complete and total bullshit. There is no reason for Lurker spines to not hit friendly units (same for Scarabs), and as for Consume, the energy gained should be relative to the hp of the unit consumed, so it should be something like 15 for a ling and 100 for an ultra.
Will Tasteless ever SHUT THE FUCK UP about countering Queens with EMP? Does he know that Science Vessels are much slower than Queens and that the emp missile can also be dodged?It's so obvious that the real counter is finding the queen cluster and lanching a nuke on them just as they're about the 150 energy
>>2126945i wish tasteless would bring up ghosts and lockdown as the true counter to protoss air units.
>>2126938Alright. Lurkers get 11 range in exchange for friendly fire. Plague now kills units and dark swarm is now like defensive matrix in exchange for NO consume at all. Deal?
>>2126958>11Sorry. Make that 12!
>>2124889disgusting knees. bring back my girl now
>>2126958why should lurkers get more range when they already siege quicker than a tank, go invisible when they siege, and have no minimum range? surely you're not arguing in bad faith haha.
>>2127087Assume those are also exchanged for 12 range. Yes or no?
>>2126976fagI fapped twice already to her
>>2127147do lurkers still get the whole line of their spines doing damage or just a single point like a tank?
The discussion is fucking retarded. Lurkers are hyper focused on their thing being a static blocker that deals a lot of damage Siege tanks are vulnerable but powerful, but are easier to get and can shoot and scoot. Two different units. Both with trade offs. Neither is unfair.
>>2127357Line with no splash or single point with splash.
>>2126945Tasteless is right. Terrans are just low APM losers so they hate hearing the truth.>>2124894DAMN she's hot
>>2127362do lurkers still get their hp regen
>>2127409Yes. A whole 1 hp ever 3 seconds.
>>2127361I disagree
>>2127443>>2127409LURKERS get MEDICS built-in for FREE!??
>>2126945>>2126948i wish tasteless took his job seriously and actually studied the pro scene strats
>>2127637he wouldnt be tasteless if he did that
BRING*CLAP*HER*CLAP*BACK*CLAP*
>>2127606Zerg hp regeneration is irrelevant.
>>2127799haha. you're such a jokester
>>2127701for me it was Sojung's jungs
>>2126935>siege tank can shoot while movingno it doesn't you fucking zergnigger retard. I am once again asking you to actually play the fucking game, siege tanks get countered by any air unit with a ground attack and dark swarm.>>2127361current lurkers are better as a defensive tool, siege tanks are better at pushing the line forward. why it's so hard for some, like the resident /vst/ schizo zergnigger, to understand that both have their use cases remains a mystery.
>>2128377WMAF porn
every time
I love how flash wins a lot, everyone scrutinizes him, TESAGI everywhere, ASL nerfs maps to the ground to make him lose, so bad that he ends up playing random. Meanwhile SK wins 4 ASLs in a row, zergs still dominating everywhere and in KCM, no complaints in sight. You can't explain that
>>2128466>Make anti Zerg maps>The maps somehow end up Zerg favoured
>>2127701New hotness is better, every season I wonder how long they are going to keep that old gargoyle. They need to give her a promotion to some turn key job and give us a new really cute one.
>>2126945The emp counter isnt real, just split your queens up and it will never work. The only reason they clump the queens is lazyness if Terran ever started emping they would just split the queens up
>>2128362I distinctly remember tanks shooting while moving during the KeSPA days. Vivid memory of tanks moving past a lurker and their turrets turned toward it and shot as they went by. Must be a Mandela.
>>2128542https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_PPdjD6mg
>>2128466You cannot make maps any more pro-Terranny. You cannot make maps any more anti-Zerg. Thank you for your attention on this matter.
>>2128542How do you make a map unfavorable to Zerg anyway?>>2128556They stop abruptly, shoot, and then continue to move. It gives the impression that they are merely slowing down.
>>2128556they have to stop to shootstutter step but for tanks
When dragoons die they say "scooby doooooo".
inbound
I want them to play only on Roaring Currents for the rest of the season
I want to hatefuck her
We are watching the final day of the Chicago BW Lan https://www.twitch.tv/platesports
>>2128581>How do you make a map unfavorable to Zerg anyway?Maps with clear lanes, lots of chokepoints and tight spaces, so that they can't leverage their weaker units, and a Terran/Protoss can easily split a map just by sitting some units in two places. Having space behind the mineral field and vespene geyser so that you can build defenses and move units to counter mutalisk harrasment of mining workers. And the ultimate nerf: island-style maps.
>>2128937>so that you can build defensesTerrannies and Tossers feel entitled to skip static defense.
>>2128581less overlord spots, no highground behind natural minerals for free damage on workers by letting mutas shoot from, none of that assimilator bullshit
>>2128937>lots of chokepoints and tight spaces, so that they can't leverage their weaker units, and a Terran/Protoss can easily split a map just by sitting some units in two placesBroodling iq. Terrannies and Tossers rely on open spaces for tank and mine lines or mass dragoon shuffling faggotry, they also rely on open spaces for rotating mindless a-moves between Z's second, third, and fourth. See: >>2109637. Having tight spaces everywhere would mean that marines and tanks can't retreat from hydra-lurker in time, queens have an easier time killing tanks (far fewer opportunities for goliath concaves), hydras have an easier time killing vessels, templars getting stuck in the back of the pride parade, half the dragoons being unable to shoot, etc.
Does anyone recall that game Hyuk played in the late 2000s (?) wherein he went hydra-defiler and won against a Terranny?
these posts are retarded>>2128885woo plate gang
>>2118109An older one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOOkpVHnCLgOH NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
>>2129640https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbFvhkS8ZRw>make no defilers against mech>just ape down the goliaths and tanks with hydra-muta>winAt this rate, Terrannies will become the new Tossers.
kill yourself
>>2129745Tactics limitations from being locked in to making all those Goliaths. Need to spread them around which means Zerg can take advantageous engages. Can't go valks either, or build out siege tanks until goliaths die
Kys
>>2129758>>2129781The ultimate weapon? More like the ultimate cuckold.
IT'S UPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXifP1XPOgQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXifP1XPOgQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXifP1XPOgQ
alright i made it to group b maybe she's not that bad
what went wrong?
>>2130298>THAT MUST MEAN HE'S BETTER THAN ME RIGHT?!
>>2129969Don't know why I watched the whole thing. Arty really lucked out finding his mario erotica niche.
>wait 4 days for group D on yt>it's all ZvZ
>>2130684they should honestly have triggers embedded in the maps that change the balance when it's ZvZ.let's just make the jump already
For the round of 16 we have: SEVEN Zergs, FIVE Terrannies, and FOUR Tossers.
zerg nerf when
Physiognomybros, where is Soulkey from?
Larva is pretty Jomony.
Zed vee Zed is the most kino matchup
>>2130298All of those accomplishments and Arty still makes more cash just from mario erotica donations
>>2130298why does he look like that shitty meme of vance?
so how does the zerg nigger explain zerg not being OP when theyre the most represented in ASL with the lowest skilled players?
terran players are just underskilled and dropping the ball. its a product of the streamer era, they're too lax at actually adapting and improving. as long as they can drag game time out long enough to pretend it was close and then john out excuses afterwards they can keep an audience. zergs never had that option, it requires a killer's instinct to stay competitive, so they've pushed themselves harder.
>>2131826The longer the game goes on, the more Zerg Chads overcome T and P imbalance. Simple as. It's getting to the point where Terrannies are starting to look like Tossers did at the end of the KeSPA era when hydra busting was standardized, i.e. years of abusing anti-Z units and mechanics finally coming to a due end. Tossers still haven't come up with anything after "the Bisu build", i.e. designated anti-Z unit 1+designated anti-Z unit 2. Terranies, likewise, seem incapable of moving past the SK Terranny build being hard countered by hydra-lurker-defiler. In both cases, I suspect, it's less an issue of skill and more an issue of entitlement, i.e. "I deserve to abuse the designated anti-Z "builds" and if I have to come up with something else I might as well quit".
>>2131826Zerg has the highest skill ceiling and biggest micro-macro load on the player. Makes sense that we're finally getting players that can optimize the race to this extent
>>2128395based dvdes 856 bro
>>2131826zerg is the dedicated gookclick race for gooks, of course they're going to be over represented and catered towards.
>>2131884but what do terran players actually need do to win against zerg? it seems like an increasingly impossible matchup
How do protoss breed
check SOOP esports EN
how are any of these maps supposed to be bad for zerg if there are more zergs than other races in this tournament? weird how they never get rid of all those free damage spots for mutas or the overlord pillars even though that'd actually nerf zerg.must just be a coincidence.
>>2128744Lmao
>>2132444Balance whine and get two more anti-Z units in the next patch?
>group Fwhatthefuck
>>2132738Food poisoning maybe?
>>2132738F stands for fixing.
Soulkey releasing his inner ape against Snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh-4cK69-o
https://youtu.be/1b846LRlb1s?feature=shared&t=4894wonder what the "what are we watching tonight" poster is watching tonight...
Wake up, faggots. Round of 16 is set. Predictions: A: Soulkey, RushB: Best, Zero C: Snow, SharpD: Light, Larva
>>2048488When he wins his fifth in a row, they'll definite pull a hoax to try to take him down, like they did to Savior.
hope all you scvees are holding upits weird how often I go a few days without checking this thread and suddenly get a feeling and see that someone just postedtoo autistic to activate the thread watcher ~_~
>>2134972soulkey effort, bts queen, jd snow, larva soma.these maps didnt nerf zerg and even buffed them in some situations.
>>2137208You have ZDS. Effort and Jaedong would struggle against Artosis nowadays.
