>almost as successful as Rimworld based on the number of steam reviews (Overwhelmingly Positive (122,724))>never saw anyone talk about it here or on /v/ unless it is brought up in a Rimworld or DF shit-flinging threadWhat gives ?
I have way too many hours in this. I do not appreciate the recent trend of DLC spam, however.
The game is alright, it has a very anti 4chins aesthetic which causes it to have a tendency to slide.
it's boring
>>2098768It's an okay game but it has maybe half the content of rimworld. You have limited control and customisation of dupes and there is now combat. That's without even considering how many mods RW has.
>>2098768I bought it cause it looked fun and it wasn't fun, so I don't talk about itI have better things to do with my time than be negative about a sunk cost
>>2098768It's a logistics autism game far more comparable to Factorio than Rimworld in design, even if it's technically /vst/ it's not what the typical /vst/goer will play and talk about.
>>2098768You want to talk about it or you want to talk about not talking about it?
>>2099081Kind of both. I want to know if is worth investing my autism energy in it.
>>2099086I think it's neat but it's very much an engineering game more so than a conventional colony builder. Your duplicants are retards and that is one of the things you need to engineer your base around. If that sounds like your preferred flavor of autism it's worth a shot.I personally suck ass at it and keep ending up soft-stuck with my duplicants spending more time running betweeen jobs than actually getting work done, but I'm having fun.
>>2099069Yeah, that's been my impression, I also think being only in 2D is holding back building of the large machines.Also some stuff like heat are a pain in the ass because there's no good way to radiate excess heat into space and I felt like I had to resort to cheesy exploits to remove it to keep running my base.
>>2099086There are game concepts that are not logical that you have to look up, such as SPOM and heat-deletion via steam turbines. It dedinitely filtered me.
>>2099098>heat-deletion via steam turbinesI hate that shit because it feels like an exploit but you are not provided normal tools to manage it.
>>2099086For what it's worth I do really love the game. Needs a certain mindset to play, that's for sure. As in figure out how shit works, setup a system, realize it's crap and you can do better, repeat. Very factorio-lite like in that regard.
>>2099099Sure you are nig. Both renewable hippie shit and high tech ones at that.
>>2099098having to look up troll physics shit on a wiki is something that really has turned me of so far.
>>2099097Heat is mostly manageable if you use those plants from the icy biomes, it's not immediately obvious but they cool air by a flat amount so it scales with the gas used - you get a lot more out of them with hydrogen. Outright dumping water/steam into the void is also fairly effective because of the high heat capacity if you have some to spare from guysers. I'm playing on the default easy-mode world and haven't gotten to the fancy endgame stuff though so maybe it becomes more unmanageable at that stage.
>>2098768It's more like an engineering game than a colony manager.
>>2099107The biggest problem with heat is your machines melting before you reliably get steel+ online. Wheezeworts can't cope with that past early-mid if you scale up but a good cooling loop will. Especially if you incorporate one of those cold geysers and related. Turbines are there if you want to use every part of the bison or if you're strapped for space.
>>2099069this>start playing>get basic oxygen and food shit set up>the game is now about pipes and wrangling hostile gases and I haven't even scratched 1% of the content>give up and quit>devs still release new content every week to this day
>>2098768I am a bit of /vst/ considering my games played but ONI didn't hook me in yet for various reasons.Art design is definitely one of them even though I love other Klei games (Mark of the Ninja, Don't starve, invisible inc.)Lack of objective and strange non earth setting is the case is another issue.>>2099186This yeah. The little dudes being retarded doesn't exactly help.
>>2098768I was going to say"Because no-one plays it!" but steamdb says otherwise.Probably because the colonists are brown, have lesbian hair, are called Mohammed, and there are no anime mods with sexualised minors. 4chan hates that kind of game.>>2099050This.>>2099069Incomparable to Factorio in my opinion.Factorio is a relaxing progression.ONI is spinning plates.Rimworld is watching a slow progress bar to unlock one item whilst waiting for a social fight to give your pyromaniac cataracts. And every pet has lost its tail whilst suffering no other injury.>>2099086>autism energyIt's not a very rewarding game. The fanbase is the "gitgud" kind of toxic. The developer nerfs fun. Most sessions are 1 hour of planning, 8 hours of staring, 5 minutes of discovering a fatal flaw you couldn't have foreseen without 9000 hours of experience killing your colony, and 2 minutes of realising the sun is coming up.In other words it's a bunch of arbitrary physics puzzles with no solutions to the puzzles whilst your friend says that, no really, you're supposed to use a thimble of water to create an airlock or that doors delete gas and thereby solve the heat death of the universe (and it's not the heat death you're thinking of).I was very tired with how you deal with extreme temperatures so much yet machine and material heat tolerances are very low. And any failed "experiments" basically create the equivalent of a nuclear blast zone except it's not radiation but a superheated chamber that's now holding your entire supply of advanced metal hostage and half of that heat is in the metal. I've never made it past steel + plastic, not because my colony fails but because I was fatigued by how miserable the game is.>>2099099I really don't like how heavy duty and fussy steam turbines are.I just want to make my base 25C and I feel like being an architect for plumbing IRL would be easier. Central heating/cooling isn't reliant on petroleum in the pipes.
>>2099098>>2099099Steam turbines also "delete" heat in real life, the energy lost becomes the electricity that is produced. Except the efficiency depends on the temperature difference rather than being fixed at 90%. But there's plenty of other physics weirdness in the game. Dupes' O2 input is many times higher than their CO2 output. Gases do not mix. Hydrogen generator "burns" hydrogen using no oxidizer. The diesel generator's exhaust comes out at the temperature of the generator. Lots of tiny heat deletion exploits you can use instead of the turbine+aquatuner loop.
>>2099479>it's a bunch of arbitrary physics puzzles with no solutionsYeah they intentionally make things impossible to solve perfectly, which is more annoying than fun. And at the same time there's very little challenge once you stabilize the colony.If someone wants easy mode just stop printing dupes and getting skills, that's it. I'd say the bare minimum is one digger, one cook with optionally first level agriculture, and two or three scientists. This few people you barely need to do anything except maintain oxygen levels, you get enough food from foraging wild plants and from animals dying of old age. Forget plumbed toilets or other useless shit and focus everything on research. Rush automation wires and smart battery before even setting up coal/wood power, just using hamster wheels. Then you can limit the generator's output to what you need, which saves you weeks of co2 and heat accumulation. Then dig towards space so you can vent CO2 and skip the whole air scrubber loop. Might find some cold stone up top as well, or in biomes along the way. Carry it to your minifarm, if you even have one and heat becomes an issue. Then work towards solar panels, harvesting radiation for research from space, wheezeworts or the crashed satellite prop.
>>2099530>just start lowtech on hamster wheelsI agree>then get solar panelsHaha, aren't you missing a few steps like setting up an industry brick and the entire rest of the game? R- right?
>>2099530I'm sorry brother but your easy mode without further elaboration ain't worth shit. Each of those things has a whole bunch of moving parts you didn't mention.Also>digging up to vent co2
>>2099549The easy mode part was just the first sentence. Rest is showing how 90% of the game cam be safely skipped.>>2099541indu what now? You need 250 refined metal for the battery+wire which you can get using the rock crusher. Same for another 300 or so for the radiation research lab. Glass smelter is made out of rock and you can let it dump onto the floor, it's only 8 production cycles for the first panel so you can run it one at a time on a large battery.Research skill accelerates learning all attributes, so the thing about hamster wheels is they not only give you power but also train all your guys in athletics and machinery. That is walking speed and shortening rock crusher and glass furnace production cycles to save power.
>>2099555Alright. Not sure why'd you want to stop skilling those with passions with how easy it is to tart up the place and morale with decorations and rooms but fine. Also not using bad doops to create infinite oxygen. But why'd you want to skip it? It's an antfarm, you're supposed to look at the cringy little fuckers doing their thing.
>>2099557I just like to do the ant farm thing properly first time around, rather than rebuilding once I get better tech. And also with infinite power.
>>2099107They buffed ice makers a while ago and they are pretty viable low tech (high superpower) cooling solution.
>>2099730it's heat transfer, not coolingbut early game that's all you need, long as the ice maker doesn't melt
>>2099733Ice maker deletes heat.
>>2099808that was the buff then I guess
>fags complain about ascii>play fucking shit that looks like thisgrim
>>2098768Only a small number of autists have the patience for this game... I've yet to finish the expansion though, I can't warm up to the teleporting between asteroids thing and splitting my crew.
>>2100208Same. it was designed for micromanagement, but the DLC wants you to run a bunch of colonies at once in realtime.Honestly it's not that great, instead of adding new stuff it just splits the resources you previously had access to on one planet into several different ones. So one place has oil for plastic, another has gold and pufts for oxylite, same for uranium, insulation, thermium, supercoolant, etc.Also the game's basically solved by the time you've stabilized your colony, completing the story objectives is just a matter of time with no challenge involved.
>>2099808How?If it's input temperature deletion then I thought they "fixed" most things that did that ages ago and applied the lost energy to the machine?
>>2100229nta but no, they just "unfixed" most of the output temperatures, making them match temps of input materials. Electrolyzer for example is fixed at 75 minimum but goes higher if you feed it hot water. Water sieve always matches input temps now, etc. According to wiki the ice crusher deletes about 80% of the heat and the rest is added to the building, and this was actually buffed in 2024 to delete more than before.Still plenty of other ways to delete heat if you need to, or just dump it into a colder biome and leave the problem for later.
>>2098768I wanted a colony sim in space but it filtered me
Is heat really an issue? I remember playing this years ago and I had a huge area of extremely cold rock above my colony. I don't remember how cold exactly, but it liquified carbon dioxide in the air if I didn't insulate the walls of the corridors I built. Suffice to say, getting rid of excess heat wasn't an issue. Did I just get lucky with my map generation?
>>2100265Depends on how you play and how ham you go with your industry. If you use animals and plants and don't scale up that's perfectly fine but if you go heavy industry as in rows of steel and glass smelters you'll turn one of those ice planets in waterworld larp in five minutes or less.
>>2100265Depends on your map, not all of them have cold biomes. And eventually you'll heat those up as well, mostly though steel smelting and machine waste heat. And there's no way to access geyser resources without effective heat deletion.
>>2100267Ah, that makes sense. I tend to go with green alternatives given the option in these kinds of games. I remember going heavy on animal husbandry and having solar panels lining the roof of my base. Plus I only had about 10 dupes or whatever they're called.
>>2098768i dont like the aesthetic. thats it
>>2100279To be fair there's rarely any rush or lose condition in this you didn't cause yourself so there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, the devs probably prefer that approach.
>>2100292That and it also self-balances. If you start losing people it delays all the threats; o2 depletion, co2 accumulation, food and water, even heat generation goes down as you get fewer guys to run machines and the heat has more time to spread out into the surrounding rock.
>>2098768It looks like a game made for normie redditors, I always ignored it and am surprised you can find some autism inside
>>2100379It's like they can't decide if they want to be le quirky funny or a serious physics-based colony game. And it clashes the whole time. You get probably the best heat transfer simulation in any colony game, and then you get floating cows that you milk for natural gas.
>>2100397I want a autism game where you have to actually micro an industrial process. Like you have to mix up some gasses and liquids on a giant a vat at the right temp and pressure to get a reaction going so that shit doesnt explode and kill your workes in a moon of Jupiter or some shit.I want to actually make a steel foundry in outer space where I have to place all the moving parts and manage the input/output of resources , and clean up the waste, without turning the entire space station into an air fryer.And no, Factorio doesnt cure the itch
>>2100431Stationeers is probably closest there. Managing fuel/coolant lines into the furnace so that it maintains the correct temperature and pressure for the alloy. Making sure your airlocks or HVAC don't get condensation that'd rupture the pipes. Figuring out fractional distillation to save on filters, etc.
>>2100397I actually like that vibe. Deep enough so you can sink your teeth in but not taking itself too serious so I can relax and shear geckos for glass. Reminds me of startopia or lemmings in that.
>>2100462Is that the new DLC? I thought they only had reed fiber or plastic. Glass is kinda cheap though, just sand and power. Sand is just rocks and power.
>>2100229The amount of heat deleted from water is more than the amount of heat produced by the machine.https://oxygennotincluded.wiki.gg/wiki/Ice_Maker
this is a nice thread. there should be more threads like this.
>>2101914i wish the game was better so the thread could be worse
>>2098768Ah shit, here we go again...What’s your go to starting dupe skills, Anons?
>>2103222Doesn't matter really, just have 3 interests and a negative trait that isn't farting, snoring, needing light for sleep. Those are bad because it means the one dupe with those needs extra room and care to function normally.The rest is fine.Having just 1 interest is bad over the long run because interest gives free morale to dampen the moral cost for leveling skills. And on the long run generalists are better than single skill dupes.
>>2103222Dig, supply and build on all three.
>>2103222gotta have dig and research. Third probably construct. Beyond that just minimizing bad traits.
>>2100478>Glass is kinda cheap though,Glass is one of the worst product because it not only produces a massive amount of waste heat it also spawns in liquid form which it needs to turn solid and then needs time to cool down still radiating waste heat.
the more i play this game the more i hate it
>>2104108why are you playing it then?
Every time I think about playing again, I remember this bullshit.
>>2104143i was told it was good. then i was told that it's better now. in both cases i should have been more sceptical.
>>2104158You mean the completely optional autism you don't have to do?>not even posting the good example
>>2104250>exploit becomes essential gameplay
>>2103222whatever the game gives me, they won't last long anyway.>>2104256There's nothing essential about it unless you're going full in on postgame minmaxing autism.
I've just turned on the game again and noticed the menu where I can disable some shit completelyshould I try a cheat settings run with hunger and other shit disabled to see whether I can "get" the game or not>t. filtered by pipes and gases
>>2104256>exploit becomes essential gameplayI completed "Home Sweet Home" ending on standard Survival mode without using of such any glitch exploits which I only found out later. This on a Magma Asteroid after 725 Cycles with 12 Dupes and nobody dying. I did save scum like a few times I don't remember it all but it is completely doable. This is not even closely as hard as so many here seem to claim it is.
Cyle 7, construction of The Great Facility is proceeding well. Unfortunately, we did not receive an Operator Dupe from care package delivery but we now have a cook that can pickle Schwab Special for sustenance when our muckroot stores are depleted.
>>2104474good stuff!
>>2104474Cycle 27, finally graced by the printing pod with an operator duplicant. It will be a while yet before mechatronics. I had to rearrange the bathroom as dupes were grabbing germy polluted dirt and running out without washing hands sometimes. Also working on a hatch ranch to cut down the reliance on dirt for mealwood.
>>2098768the artstyle is utterly repulsive. its like looking at scat porn, i dont want to see that
Remember when people thought mealwood deleted gases?
what happened to oni assistant and other calculator sites. how can i work out how many plants and critters to farm to feed my dupes now aiiieee...
>>2105173I know how you feel but don't rush mechatronics it won't make a difference until you have plenty of power and refined metals.Personally I prefer to go for hydroponics early to cut the demanding workload needed to manually watering every single farm tile. Dupes have enough essential work at the early game as it is.>puts research next to the printer to farm the free lightHeeell yeeeah! I also sometimes put Bristle Berry farms next to the printer just to min-max that tiny bit of permanent free light for a little food variety although it is kind of a waste.
I want to like the game but I kinda hate it. I feel like they should have made it more of an open-ended sandbox but ruined it by making it too game-y. The arbitrary decisions about what machines do input/output via pumps and what do it via just dumping is very annoying and you end up having to do all these funky designs for a SPOM where only some of them actually work. Rules for stuff like water chlorination are totally random (it works in tanks but not pipes?). A bunch of stuff feels like its missing such as radiators in space.I've been playing Ostranauts and that fits the vibe of doing power/hvac management in space a lot better. You can make an actual functional airlock as well.
>>2105697>A bunch of stuff feels like its missing such as radiators in space.Not sure if you mean this or something else. https://oxygennotincluded.wiki.gg/wiki/Conduction_Panel>You can make an actual functional airlock as well.What do you mean by this? How are airlocks in ONI "not functional" unlike in that other game?
>>2105333>not making your own spreadsheetsNever gonna make it>>2105711I assume he means radiating heat into space as a heat-removal mechanism.
>>2103222Digger, researcher, farmer/rancher
>>2103388Snoring is a non-issue because you can play around with schedules and cot placement.
>>2105717>>I assume he means radiating heat into space as a heat-removal mechanism.If this is true, then this is a little difficult since the game is designed with heat exchange between matter space is supposed to be vacuum thus isn't any matter to heat exchange with while in real life heat does radiates away in space.However managing heat is supposed to be one of the core challenges of the game from making oxygen to to food to everything else so I think this is deliberately "not included." I mean if you could just use sealed pen space exposed chambers to permanently solve the heat problem that would make everything way waaay easier.
>>2105711>How are airlocks in ONI "not functional" unlike in that other game?Airlocks are not 100% airtight.
>>2105711Ostranauts has canisters and pumps that can be put into a reverse mode. So to go from an atmosphere to a vacuum, you step inside the airlock, reverse the pump so that it draws air into the canister until vacuum, then open the air. You use the pump in normal mode to go back into atmosphere.
i tried to build a water lock in ONI. when it was time for a trial run i realized it would take several cycles for the pump to drain the 3x3 lock after each use.
>>2106041I do believe you're doing it wrong
>>2106144i'm sure there's some retarded trick you can use to get around the fact that the pump is comically slow
>>2106144>>2106148to be clear it was an actual water lock / floodable airlock, i wanted to enter a large basin under a geyser, not a gas trap
homosexual artwork. dropped
>>2106195the heuristic works
>>2104250>>2104158If the Sopping Wet debuff would be more punishing then these stupid exploits would be less useful. Granted you can still avoid the debuff entirely by making a gape and having your dupe need to jump over the gap. Which somehow prevents them to become wet even if they are passing through liquid.
>>2106032Thank you, for an ONI version of that, on paper it sounds like using an air pump and a gas reservoir with a valve that flips between input and output sections of the reservoir on the demand turning the pump on when vacuum is needed and off when atmosphere is needed.>>2106008>Airlocks are not 100% airtight.Airlock doors block 100% liquid and gas flow.
>>2106149Alright buddy, now you got me interested. What did you try to accomplish? Got a picture? did you use the regular or the tiny ass chinisium plastic pump?
>>2105173Cycle 52, cleaned out CO2 from base as it was building up too much and filtered CO2 and chlorine to separate tanks. Trying to capture cool salt slush geyser to get unlimited water supply. Didn't ranch yet since I have plenty of dirt and hatches eat way too much.
>>2106377>Airlock doors block 100% liquid and gas flow.Was this changed? The last time I played (a year before spaced out), I swear it wasn't the case.
>>2106454regular. oni pumps are just very slow, as anyone trying to empty a reservoir has learned.
>>2098768I don't play it because it pisses me the fuck offit spirales my autism and perfectionism too much so I refuse to play it and talk about it
Which starting planet you guys like the most?
>>2106702i like drilling uranus
>>2106732uranus is gas planet
>>2106702Haven't played in awhile but I remember the blasted planed and the shitty little asteroids being pretty fun.>>2106559I only asked because I basically never use liquid locks.
>>2107165>I only asked because I basically never use liquid locks.same, the only time i use liquid locks is when building a vacuum sealed chamber before closing it off and dismantling the liquid lock. I've built functioning airlocks before, using the plastic pump on each end of the air lock doors that would basically pump back out any gases that entered through either door back to the other side of the door. it just costs more power etc so most people prefer to cheese with liquid locks. you dont have to use liquid locks if you dont like them.
>>2107252Oh, I know. The only time I seriously used them was to filter out the liquid co2 and I've been playing the game on and off almost since it launched.>vacuumFellow suit enjoyer?
>>2106702>Which starting planet you guys like the most?Depends on how much I like to suffer really.
>>2104474Here is mine on cycle 15Ignore the 0 kcal and substandard amount of O2
>>2108565You want pointers or you all good?
>>2108570they are fine, they are just breathing too muchbut I'm open ideas
>>2108582*open to
>>2108582Also never too early to have statues or tables
>>2108592>tablesmassage tables* one of those prepped and ready to go can be a lifesaver when someone is close to breaking
>>2108592Some of those tba or just band-aid like deodorizing the peat power plant since I sidetracked the tech to persue some other stuff. Or the park, which I've never got to use before but since that spot checked the boxes I decided to plop it down.The coal plant is better for starting, I agree since it doesnt produce poop water, but the issue is that there is no coal on this starting area unless I'm missing somethingI actually never thought about spreading the toilet shifts so that I dont have to build lots of toilets
>>2098768Rimworld is shilled and DF is oldfag. I've played all three and I can't touch Rimworld when I have both ONI and DF as alternatives, or if I'm feeling adventurous I'll peruse the shop for alternatives.
>>2108602Micro autism = ONIMacro autism = Songs of SyxSandbox and watching shit burn = DFGamey and watching shit burn = Rimworld
Dup 1, Dup 2, Dup 3 or... CRABDecisions, Decisions
>>2099091>I personally suck ass at it and keep ending up soft-stuck with my duplicants spending more time running betweeen jobs than actually getting work doneYou can't let it get to you. Any growing colony is going to hit >40% walk time, especially as they get faster at doing the tasks themselves the only thing they can do is run about from job to job. The soft time-limits of running out of resources are so far off in the distance that the loss of efficiency don't really matter. Dupes don't really matter. Unless you crank calorie requirements way up so things are impractical and tedious, there's not really any kind of actual threat to a colony. Even the consequences of Dupe death aren't that significant. Players are usually the cause of their own problems in ONI
>>2099111big tip: don't dig anything out until you absolutely have reason to. Natural tiles have more mass than the dug out product, so they absorb all your early game slow-building heat excessively well, then you dig it out when it starts to get uncomfortably hot and you cut that heat in half then store it somewhere else.
>>2104256>exploitthe whole game is extremely unrealistic. You just have to treat everything as a mechanic. I don't know how people define this as an exploit anymore than filling in a space completely with blocks and then deconstructing it back out as a very inexpensive way to create a vacuum. elements don't mix, fluid flow isn't real, even phase changes are wrong. The whole game exists on a 2d plane. No reason to get panties in a twist over liquid airlocks.
>>2107252>I've built functioning airlocks before, using the plastic pump on each end of the air lock doors that would basically pump back out any gases that entered through either door back to the other side of the door. it just costs more power etcDoesn't that overheat thanks to the vacuum?
>>2108565nice! a lot more organic than my commie cave. i dont have the last 2 dlc, just doing a warmup play before thinking of getting them. i havent played in a year or so. trying to remember whats what. i should have upgraded to toilets and coal generators way sooner, saves so much dupe time. this cool slush setup worked out pretty well, i can get 1-1 refined metal conversion and warmed up water to room temperature. I also forgot to leave some natural tile rooms to plant crops in, i got a pip from care package so i'm rushing glass blower to make natural tiles. prefer not to use copper door trick.
>>2108609Evolutionary speaking the answer is always CRAB.
It appears that all of you are constructing colonies too vertical. Your instinct is to build in a way that you get a clear overview because you are looking at a side view, so you build vertical. But in practical terms, your colony is much, much faster to traverse if it is a long hallway that uses hatches and ladders to access rooms. This also tends to make colony expansion, repurposing, and rerouting much easier.
>>2108613>I personally suck ass at it and keep ending up soft-stuck with my duplicants spending more time running betweeen jobs than actually getting work doneThis is completely normal don't worry about it! Unless you want to keep remodeling your base every time something big happens in a specific location then you simply cannot avoid this from happening.If you are really are bothered by this and cannot improve traffic speed or afford automating things, you can try to create separate smaller living rooms for the specific dupes that is closer to their work, however then they won't see their friends and might be left out from using the rec room.
>>2108624I think under "exploit" he means some way of using game mechanics that the devs might not have directly intended because they provided an obvious tool specifically for it, even if that tool imperfect, and likely by design. But the devs do not remove these other methods of using the game mechanics to your advantage because that makes players feel smart and thus happy about themselves which is the point of the game.
Had a petroleum boiler at one point... not sure if that's the right name for it. Spent a lot of work to concentrate heat to bring oil up to temperature to convert it to petroleum with 100% conversion efficiency, then recycled the heat into power with the steam turbines.It was neat but kinda frustrating at the same time, having things not always working how I would expect, pipes bursting and dealing with the difficult cleanup, etc.I really wish there was more cause to build such contraptions as you play though. I get bored when it gets finnicky and it's all self-driven challenges. If the physics were a little more real it might hold my interest better. Or if it was like dwarf fortress and I had good reason to weaponize crazy ideas against unspeakable FUN.Dwarf Fortress could certainly use a degree of the ONI engineering. Fluids pumped through pipes, ventilation, etc.
Fuck, is there any way to design a room pattern before actually placing all the stuff, like a blueprint mode that some other games in this genre have?I trying to figure some diferent paterns for a Ovagro vine greenhouse but having to eyeball things is so annoying. Yeah, know there is the sandbox mode but having to quit the current game to that is kind of a hassle
>>2109367Anyways, here are the two greenhouse patterns I managed to come up with:The left one is more space efficient with more vines total, and will reach its max potential faster.The right is more efficient (assuming that the water consumption doesnt scale with the amount of vines), since the vines have just the right amount of space to grow to their max size according to the wiki, and only two main plants to suck up water. Also it get to have a better coverage of the butterfly things that boost growth (3 to 48 vs 2 to 63).
>>2108843>If the physics were a little more real it might hold my interest betterONI manages to hit that middle ground where it's both too gamey and too simulationist at the same time
>>2108795NTA, but yeah, that's what I'd call it. It feels like you are not supposed to be doing it but it's been there the whole time so it can't be an oversight. It still feels wrong I'm very much a scrub who doesn't like to hyperoptimize the game, especially when it's a single player sandbox game so there's not even much of a goal or win condition other than build a cool base so I have a hard time enjoying the game.>>2109438I feel like that is also a problem. The interpretation of physics is a bit too specific for common sense to work and also too complex for videogame conventions.
>>2098768It's simpleThis website is irrelevant to the rest of society and new generations.
>>2108843Game seems too easy on even hardest setting. Watching a tuber play with every difficulty turned up to max. Ignores food poison germs and food poisoning, ignores beds, you relieve stress sleeping on dirt anyway, ignores polluted air, ignores stress, they reset to 60% shortly after stressing out, the list goes on. none of the downsides of negative effects are impactful enough to actually care even on hardest difficulty. It is essentially just a sandbox to chill and build. Which is fine but not everyone’s cup of tea. I guess that particular playthrough could be classified as dupe torture simulator.
>>2109492yep. yep yep yep. That's my feeling about it too. I really wish it had more chaos.
>>2109492Agree, after you get a surplus food production the only danger comes from shit like your dups trapping themselves and suffucating while your were on 3x time speed.The first time I played I was expecting shit like explosive decompression, toxic vapours, aliens ripping your dups face, cave ins, radiation. But nope. Even putting everything on hard once you get a farm going it basicaly makes no difference between playing on any other lower difficulty.
>>2109492It's best to treat it like a factory game imo, the 'danger' isn't the risk of the colony dying, it's the risk of everything becoming slow as shit and progression crawling to a halt while you try not to tear your hair out.I'd definitely like some more danger even if it was just to make dupes more expendable rather than being an outright run-ender, but that's clearly not the direction the game wants to take at this stage.
Shithole swamp...Home...
>>2109496>I was expecting shit like explosive decompression, toxic vapours, aliens ripping your dups faceThis is a family friendly rated game, if it wasn't obvious from the silly cartoonish art style. You seriously expected such gruesome things to happen?
>>2109674Damn bro that's a lot of piss.
>>2109674swamp planet is comfy
>>2108618speaking of nonsense physics
Do the "accept every dupe" challenge if you want chaos. Every time new dupes become available, you have to take one.
>>2109705what if it's black though
>>2109710>>2109705I used to always make a pit for the useless ones. Great and cheap source of O2.
>>2109492>germsthey were nerfed at some point, I got confused when I remembered slimelung being debilitating and food poisoning being a death spiral due to dupes pissing everywhere or somethingthe doctor's bay seems even more pointless than before, especially since zombie spores are terminal I think?>stressif you don't train your dupes up, yeah, it's a non-issue, but rocket pilots need a lot of trainingbut the real difficulty is long term stability and the fact that doing any progression kills you>get industry: overheat>automate: overheat>move off algae oxygen: overheat>go to oil town: overheat + that one fossil sourgass overpressure instant death>dig out anything: dupes take 5 years to sweep>expand at all: dupes take 5 years to commute>upgrade food: supporting jobs take 5 years to doI mean, did your tuber make plastic? Steel? Ceramic? Glass? Solar? Go to space? Create a bristle berry farm? Sleetwheet farm? A ranch? A guppy farm? Unbox a volcano? Set up hydrogen power? Set up a steam turbine that isn't drip cooled, isn't on an industrial brick, and is aqua-tuner fed, not volcano or core fed? Did he get to the endgame materials?How many cycles was he playing for?Vanilla or DLC? Did he set up nuclear power?>>2109705doesn't that just kill your run?
>>2108565Cycle 30Improved some stuff, more band-aids systems, and I am very pissed at the amount time it took to build those two greenhouses
>>2109732it's not as easy to overheat as you make it sound. a single cold biome pocket can keep a colony very cool for a long time with just some simple cooling loops. really hot industry can just be isolated from the rest of the colony.
>>2109705then you just kill them off. it's worse than dwarf fortress on how replaceable dupes are.
>>2109988>more band-aid systemsthat's the name of the game. in fact, thinking about it that way is a mistake. very little homeostasis to pursue
>>2109732He was doing a full achievement run so he only built and researched what he needed. He has all the expansions and playing on the new dino asteroid. I think cycle 2 or 3 he already sent a dupe through the teleporter and started working on foundations to get oil and make blastshots later as he needs to shoot down demolior before cycle 100. He got locavore achievement around cycle 50 or so, now working on carnivore. Most recent video he was up to cycle 62, about to start producing blastshots. Also he is not taking anything from supply drops except for items he needs for achievements that cannot be obtainable via regular play. Absolute masochist.
>>2098768got caught in trying to optimize shit so i don't destroy resources looptook the fun out of the game
>>2113312that's the whole game
>>2098768It's a brutal time sink.You're meant to play it like a normal person, but if you're on the spectrum you will agonize over every decision and build.Not sure it's a strategy game though, so I'm not surprised no one talks about it here.
>>2099097You can ignore heat as long as you insulate any farm that has crops that need to be sub 30c. Your dupes can handle 40c and it takes a long time to get that hot in the core base.By that point you do the steam turbine - aquatuner thing. Cools the entire base if you loop the liquids around it, not hard to set up, provides energy. You don't even need a video to learn how to set it up, a screenshot is enough.Or you do what I do nowadays and get a cheat mod building that just cools everything around it no questions asked.
Bought this game the other day and looks like I unknowingly started my first run with the Spaced out dlc on. Should I restart with just base game?
>>2104084High temperatures but relatively little heat. If you really need to, you can produce it in vacuum topside and use it while it's still 1500C hot. The solar panel will be built at standard room temp.>>2103222Dig and tech because they're necessary and the conveyor skill takes forever to learn. Then research, because it makes stats level faster and most of what the other skills do is just stat boosts.
>>2113312Yeah pretty muchand looking back I probably spent more time on the wiki than actually playing, reminds me of cultivation simulator
>>2113533AFAIK the space out start only changes the size of the map and number of asteroids so that it is easier to engage with the space travel content, and you have to because the starting map is smaller and the resources are spread out in more asteroids.So, it is up to you.
>>2113609It forces you to play multiple smaller bases at the same time, instead of a single big one. Which is not ideal.But it at least makes getting all the resources more interesting than just sending out a rocket and waiting for it to come back. Cause you gotta figure out how to settle each asteroid, with at least a temporary base.
>>2113533You can change the map without disabling dlcs and all the content they bring
>>2113344Then why isn't anon having fun?
Tried it while waiting for the Rimworld expansion but I stopped playing because there I didn’t feel like there was any goal or threat to progress towards. Okay I’m producing oxygen and food for my people, what now? Oh, and all the screenshots make the game look like min-maxing hell, so that also took away the appeal as I’m not the autistic engineering type.
>>2113980>Okay I’m producing oxygen and food for my people, what now? Expand to outrun increasing heat from cooking everyone and the gradually increasing pressure crushing everyone
>>2113980Joke's on you, the game is quite casual.
>>2113983>gradually increasing pressure crushing everyone? Since when?Max gas pressure just gives them popped ear drums.
>>2113987Food can't grow and the main issue is all your breathable oxygen is pushed into the ceilingOxygen machines also can't work when overpressured
>>2114017Your airlocks? Livestock? Fishery?>>Oxygen machinesAnon...
>>2114017All true, but I've never run into an overpressure issue. You can always dig down to store the carbon dioxide and by the time you can't anymore, you can vent it into space.The game gives you enough tools to deal with carbon dioxide buildup even early on.In fact, just dig down to an oil biome and let the slicks eat it.
>>2114037>dig down to store carbon dioxidenta but I think even this is making a mountain out of an ant hill. gas reservoirs are cheap and will hold tons of carbon dioxide, so just stick a pump at a low point and with the basic gas pipe element sensor and shutoff with an atmo pressure sensor connected to the pump so it barely runs, and the CO2 just never builds up. I think 1 single gas reservoir can hold like 70 cycles of 12 duplicant's of CO2.
>>2114067What you going to do when it's full then? Cover the map with em lmao
>>2114093just attach another cheapo gas reservoir
>>2114100Or even better don't be a monkey and either vent it or atomize it
>>2114102no. the whole point is how simple pressure management actually is
>>2113533I did the no spaced out DLC version first but spaced out I'm finding is more fun since you can travel in space, interact with objects and land on different asteroids. Space flight is fairly abstract in the base game and the rocket designer was stupid complex i had to use a calculator which seems to be no longer available. Rocket design is simpler with DLC. Also, this is my personal preference, but I enjoyed the game more when I finally found some guides that didn't keep throwing super sweaty SPOM setups with 20 air pumps and shit. I find using basic setups more fun and more than adequate. You don't need the overkill SPOMs that every youtuber creams their pants over. pic related is what I use for example. nice and easy to setup. Once you remember the ratios and maths for cooler setups then the rest is just casually slapping shit together and helping out suffocating dupes.
>>2114112Even that is overkill for most bases, just release both gases into your base and put a pump on the ceiling to remove hydrogen.
>>2114208doesnt the 70degree oxygen overheat your base eventually or your blossoms? or do you just worry about cooling the blossoms and not worry about anything else? I might have to try this out but I'm just too used to storing everything in containers and then cooling before release :)
>>2114732It's not a lot of heat, and mostly stays around the device and seeps into the surrounding walls. Eventually it'll start to spread and you'll need to dump the heat somewhere else or start deleting it, but that goes for every machine.If you insulate the blossom farm, its temperature will match that of the input water. Water has a ton of heat capacity and here's no way to insulate farm tiles.
>play the game again>cycle 40+>everything stable>radbolt bullshit>lose the will to progress
>>2115994>radbolt bullshiti just jerry-rigged some contraption with 3 bolt gens and it seemed like plenty. sure a dupe would piss hot for a few days after refueling, but so what?it seemed like a very involved system that you could basically just ignore
>>2115994I just do something like this. Just need a lucky Pip supply drop and get seeds from icy biome.
>>2114748Thanks anon, i tried this. It works, kinda. The air flow is a bit crappy because of the hydrogen pushing stuff around but it gets the job done eventually. I love it when you don't need to overcomplicate things more than you need to.
Do any of the newer DLCs offer something cool? Bionic one seems kind of interesting.
>>2098768I wish there was a more hard scifi version. And no noob traps.
>>2103388Farting is the only absolute no-no, as you need to suit them up every time to work in vacuum as they contaminate it otherwise.
I want to boot up an old save to try and see if you only need one steam turbine to keep a living area + industry zone a 20C liveable coolness, and to find out if it's easy to use an ice machine to unfuck a steam turbine when my setup inevitably gets too hotBut my RSI says no and I don't know how to unfuck my hand
>>2119155Unfuck yourself
>>2119155you the other hand and use hotkeys,
Heat and CO2 is not my problem... right?
>>2120087You're welcome.
>>2120092I don't followAre you deleting gases?
>>2098768It's a shitty modern take on Wiggles/Diggles. Like really shitty. It's just carried by the core concept.
>>2120094That's left, right is for direction or compression, adjusted for purpose.
>>2120098Oh. Well that's nice that it's that easy to do.Not too interested though, hoping to figure out how to throw it into space because I hear that's the only permanent solution.I'm glad resources aren't finite.
>>2120115Bear in mind no power, no work, no digging, no super advanced tech or materials required. Super small footprint as well. Also works on fluids (and any heat they may carry)
>move material errand>90% done>no-one doing the last 10%>check errand status>unreachable>cancel errand>reissue>immediately doneKlei?
Canister emptiers feel great. It's like I have portable power.Got a steam turbine base cooling setup started... just need to figure out how to do a heat exchanger properly. I wish you didn't need so much room for everything. I just want it to be easy.
this senile old shit peed on his suit 3 times now and still refuses to clean his own damn toiletdemented retard has been alone on the oily swamp for almost a hundred cycles
>>2103222>>2098768this game would be more popular if it didn't have pickle rick meets funk pop aesthetic paired with diversity quota skin color/hairwhat a way to shoot yourself in the foot
>>2120788>chuds filtered by niggers>snowflakes filtered by production chains and fluid mechanics>people that stay actually play the gameSay what you want but it's brilliant.
>>2120211canisters are the best way to do a lot of things. small chlorine pockets for germ scrubbing, oxygen to suits, portable power, and more. if only the game had the challenge or interest to match its tools
>>2120788>123k reviews>27k player peak (release)>22k peak free weekend (doubled the number of players at the time, i.e. 11k regulars)>2m-7m owners estimatedI think it's popular. I also hate the aesthetics and would like dupes to not be named Mohammed, have danger hair and be 50% chinese or black, as I'd like some escapism from real life.I have no idea how it's popular. Maybe there re ~10k autists who really love it, because it's pseudoscience, addictive like a skinnerbox, and the dupes have expressions an autist can read, like anime.>>2120838>production chains and fluid mechanicsNot really either of those in the game. I think snowflakes would be filtered by "Wait I need to put TWO toilets down?" and "Wait I shouldn't just accept ALL dupes?" and "Wait resources are FINITE?" and then if they get any further "I'm dying to 30C heat! HELP!"I asked myself recently if the only solution to heat really is the steam turbine. I tried the icy fan. The ice inside melted and did more work cooling the area than the fan did.I sort of wish that there was a mini steam turbine you unlocked early and that the coal plant was intended to be a water boiler. Though I don't know if that would actually give you an earlier option for dealing with heat as the HVAC is seemingly pathetic, though maybe a chain of them of equal power wastage to the water one might be "good".
>>2121713Much of the popularity originally came from the Don't Starve fanbase, which also fit the artstyle better.>if the only solution to heat really is the steam turbineHigh-volume, you can pre-heat gases or fluid and vent them into space. Plenty of small-scale options too, wheezewort farms, thermo nullifier machine, ice makers. And if you don't care about abusing mechanics, cool your petroleum generators as low as you can, like -150c. They output polluted water and co2 at the temperature of the generator.
>>2120788I'd like a more serious, gritty colony-factory builder, but ONI has it's own charm. Don't take it too seriously.
>>2121747I always preferred using co2 to cool my base. At least spams, living or farming areas. Easy to remove, easy to setup, easy to handle since heavy and it's not like there's any shortage of the bloody thing.Related ain't fully operational but it already dropped the ambient temperature from 70 to 30ish on average. And it'll only get better with a offsite (proper) generator area.
>>2121905I try to avoid those gas coolers since they're like 4x worse than the aquatuner in terms of power used per heat transferred (depending on gas/fluid used). And power generation produces heat too.
>>2121919Oh for sure. But I'm playing on cranked up oassise and starting surrounded with 7 volcanoes and natural temperature of sand around me being 62-78c limits my options for the moment. This is simply a ghetto stopgap solution for early game and low maintenance for not critical areas midgame.
>set up proper power supply>refined cables have a 2k limit>transformers are either 1k or 4kugh, I hate how 2k is a really big limiter
>>2122122You for real?
I hear really good things about the gameplay and want to play it, but I just can't get past the aesthetic. I hate it, it repulses me
Not starting with an operator is actually agonizing.I want to use the automation stuff, but won't be able to build them until cycle 100 at this rate.Between that and the rancher, I don't know how to get the carnivore achievement when my dupes are all retarded mush eaters.
>>2122428From what I remember of doing it pre-dlc, carnivore required a dedicated playthrough. The trick was to rush to the surface then start ranching shove voles, they give like 16kg meat. Also needed enough dupes to even eat that much food in time.
Can someone spoonfeed me on bionic duplicants?
>>2122480no need for foodbuilt-in oxygen tank they refill like once a day, either by consuming bottled oxygen or focused "breathing" which is slowneed batteries, single-use ones made from metal ore initially (very expensive long-term), rechargable from refined metal laterneed gear balm or oil from either slime or petroleumneed different toilets, waste can be recycled into gear balm with high efficiencydon't level attributes over time, instead you craft plug-in upgrades for them giving the effect of a skill plus some attribute bonus, like say mechatronics and +3 machineryA full bionic colony will want generators instead of farms, doesn't need a breathable atmosphere, and needs a shitload of power. Each dupe will be able to do a lot more skill-locked labor but their raw attribute ceiling is low, so in the lategame they walk and work much slower than regular ones.
>>2122496How important is lubing them up, early on especially? How viable are they for replacing the standard niggerbuilder? What are some jobs and examples you'd use them for over regulars? Just how shitload of power are we talking here?
>>2122514You get a supply of lube early and can recycle their waste, so it's not a big deal. But the debuff is big, like -50% movespeed and mood drain. The biggest advantage is they can work in slimelung, spore clouds and unbreathable gases as if wearing a suit, because they only breathe once a day. And you can easily get the digging unlocks plus construction boosts on one dupe without high morale requirements. Power drain is like 240W so half a hamster wheel at all times, or 200kg metal ore per day if using non-rechargeable batteries.Check out the wiki too, it's usually pretty detailed.
>>2122129Yeah it's like how vents and pipes can only move so much stuff.I don't like having to place 2 transformers per cable and I don't like how few things can be powered per cable, especially if you have a rec room item (+1k), enough fridges to actually store your food (+720 unless on power save mode) and then industrial work like oxygen generation needs so many pumps you hit the limit so fast you wonder if building a local power plant would be easier.
>>2122428>skinWhy do I need to connect to Klei servers to use their, I imagine as-bad-as-DST, unlock system?>>2122514>How viable are they for replacing the standard niggerbuilder?I didn't expect H-1B to stand for Hi I'd like 1 Bionic.
>>2122122There's a mod for adjustable transformers. In fact most of the annoyance in the game seem intentional and can be removed with mods. Airlocks, piped output, queue for sinks, noDrop, etc. If you go too far you'll realize the game is in fact boring without all the obnoxious shit.
>cheat the challenge away>ugh the game is boring
>>2122591>nordic man saying yesWhat I mean is most of the challenge comes from these little annoyances, and from the game begin designed in such a way as to have very few "clean" solutions to problems. Rather than any kind of long-term goal or threat.
>>2122591Why is any of that challenging?You can already actually cheat things like airlocks by just using game mechanics that klei doesn't want to fuck with because their simulation might break.It would be nice if the dupes said "Hey I'm covered in germs, I should go clean up!" and the "challenge" is that if you only have one sink they take forever to get back to doing their job.
>if you get rid of the challenge, the game is boring
Why do ONI fans take it personally when someone points out a flaw with the game?Just look at>the official forums>the steam reviews>this threadIt happens everywhere. You can find it by simply asking google how to solve a problem in the game and finding an old forum post that talked about it. I've seen players offended when someone says drip cooling is dumb and that they'd like a real method to deal with certain problems.
>>2122676Isn't that just fans everywhere? I saw the same thing with Stationeers, Factorio, Against he Storm, etc. Even valid criticism gets its share of "no fuck you the game is perfect". To be expected when people don't have irl things to care deeply about they turn to fandoms.
>>2122679I find this game to be exceptionally toxic. A lot of fan-atics for other things don't go out of their way to scrap with someone.
>samefaglel
>>2122496Useful little fuckers but>needs a shitload of powerYou didn't exaggerate on calling it a shitload. JHC, eight of them drain more than my current smelting setup, almost by a factor of 2 at that.
Wow I just picked the game up and was enjoying it, but then I read the criticisms in this thread and became completely demoralized.
>>2122981I feel like that goes for pretty much any game, except for maybe /egg/ stuffbetter to enjoy it first, them come rant about the bad parts
>>2122676Because with engineering games specifically there's a thin line, often a blurry, subjective line between a genuine problem with the game, and a problem to be solved within the game. If someone approaches the game purely as a series of problems to be solved the only genuine issues are broken bits that prohibit solving the existing problems. When people come in saying X is broken what they hear is you want to invalidate my experience by removing problems I have already solved.
>>2122996I don't know about you but I loved gleba
Is there something I need to do to make checkpoints not... screwy?I don't have this problem with my main base's mask checkpoint. Never have.Essentially dupes seem to be skipping the "Take your fucking mask off" sign and then walk past the exosuit sign because they have an "exosuit" on.
>>2123491Might be because all the mask holders are full?
>>2123496Clearance: VacancyIt's fine in that pic, I'll take another pic if it happens again.
>Clearance isn't vacancy>the button on the machine describes what it will swap to and the behaviour of what it will swap to, not what it is>hover over the building to see what mode it's set toughguhguhguhughghhhhh
>>2123502Well at least you figured it out. Reminds me of Stationeers, can never tell if the oxygen in my suit is turned on until the guy starts to suffocate.
>>2104474>alternating toilets and sinksOh thank God finally someone understands m->>2105173REEEEEEEE YOU MASSIVE FAGGOT YOU ARE WASTING VALUABLE DUPLICANT WALKING TIME FUCKING CLOSE THE GAME AND NEVER OPEN IT AGAIN>>2105564Yeah there's no reason to have duplicants manually delivering liquids to plants. Except for gasgrass.>>2106041Neat idea. You could make it faster by using different liquids, which might be able to clear out faster than dupes can cross it particularly if you used mini pumps.
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.>>2106520Cooling is the real value of slush.>>2108599>spreading the toilet shiftsYou can kind of get away with not having toilet shifts at all / just 1 toilet. 2 dupes need to pee, one wins, the other just has to hold it... and then next cycle his pee requirement is offset.>>2108609The crab is a trap for people who don't clean out the printing pod.>>2108696>pumps in vacuum overheatingThey don't produce heat if they're doing nothing. If they're doing something, there's heat exchange media. Maybe it'd be a problem if you have an unreasonably large area to vacuum that would take forever. In such a case you should spam pumps.>>2108789Huh.
>God forbid I talk to people about a video-game on a video-game board in a thread dedicated specifically to that video-game>>2108843Boiling massive blobs of crude is slow & wasteful. You want to stream small packets across a heat exchanger with only a single packet getting boiled at a time.>>2113987Popped ear-drums are absurdly stressful.>>2114112Bad news, champ: mechanical filters count as sweaty.>>2119155Having a variety of postures is good for RSI I am thinking.
>>2120211Yeah the new drains / fillers are great stuff. I never liked long runs.>>2122122Just use 2 small transformers, or use a big one and don't put too much load on.>>2122540The cosmetic stuff is... mostly free. You'd think they were going to put in multiplayer or something. Klei's goal here is to goose active playercount. There's a mod that unlocks it all, someone'll post it.
>>2108789I'm building vertically because I need access to both space and oil. It's why most people do it, if I were to guess. Just have a 3-wide elevator shaft with a fire pole, transport tube and a ladder for very short trips. At least as fast as walking on metal tiles.
>>2108789>easy gas management>easy temp management>easy power spine>easy bus>easy scaleup>enough room to fix happy little accidents>>too vertical
ONI / Oxygen Not Included based mods & resources>forced diversity removalhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/427130146/#427136576>Cosmetics unlockerhttps://files.catbox.moe/4yr3kb.zipI have this saved as ONI_Cosmetic_Unlocker.zip. I have not tried it in some time, so it may no longer load.I was unable to locate the origin of that file. In searching, I found this, which I have not used:https://reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/1fvezvw/so_i_made_a_mod_to_unlock_all_blueprints_but/https://github.com/nuzkito/unlock-all-blueprints/
>>2125506>REEEEEEEE YOU MASSIVE FAGGOT I apologise sir, I have abandoned that inefficient game and started again. Please find attachment to your liking.>>2108789I'm trying to keep more horizontal in this new start, trying to keep to 2 or 3 levels at most and spread out my base. So far, I'm enjoying it.
>>2125947>attachment
>>2125947Ah-ha, yes, much better. ALLTHOUGHEVERSOBEIT I like to put my super computers next to the pitcher pump, this is not so serious a matter.
Mod Tier ListKlei-Tier (these used to be mods):>Wire cutters>CustomTemperatureOverlay>Build-over-plantsS Tier:>Show Building Ranges>Old Liquid Resevoir>Suppress Notifications>Bigger Camera Zoom Out>Weeb Pacu>True TilesA Tier:>Amorbus (currently broken)>Reverse Bridges (should require dupe labor)>Extra Moulding Skins>Starmap Queue>System Clock>Deconstruct Only Building>Deselect New Materials>Better Info Cards>Fast Pod NotificationB Tier:>Threshold Walls>Mass Move Tool>Skills Retainer>Falling Sand>Partitioned Storage>Drywall Hides Pipes>Replace Floors>Build Straight Up>Rotate Everything>Floatation>EntombTempshiftPlate>Settings Change Tool>Drag Area More Visible>Soggy Carpets>StairsC Tier:>Better Rebuilding (crashes)>MaterialColor>Notepad>Faster Bunker Door>Cook With Heat
>>2125969straight to the water reservoir.
>>2126575Why yes, I piped my excess water, after sieving, from the lavatories into my water reservoir. How could you tell?
An opportunity presents itself. A sort of... sleeping sickness.
I wish this game was a little bit more vicious in difficulty and real-life complex on its physics so as to actually challenge my gigabrain, or if failing that at least more FUN! at producing stories.
>>2125947there are improvements but I will not critique; I will anticipate your updates of progress
Sneaky vacuum.
this poor guy is alone in the second map and is at 89% stress. always wet, huffing nasty air and eating swamp shit. and then he's going to dig infested slime after his breakdown.
>>2127702Anon... I..I'm sorry. Frankie will join the 41 percent.
>>2128393it's stupidly difficult for a dupe to die to horrible conditions unless you cook them, starve them, or suffocate them.
>>2128598>it is stupidly difficult to die>unless you dieWHOA
>>2128598There used to be a mod...diseases something? Made untreated slimelung and zombie spores lethal, and added frostbite damage.
>>2128701>zombie spores lethal, and added frostbite damageAren't both of those in already?
>ask internet how to solve electricity problems (trying to run multiple aquatuners intermittently) without resorting to multiple petrol gens because they run too hot>find recent forum thread about petrol gens>"Hey can we change it so that the ethanol in the generator doesn't get heated up and turned into gas? It's really ruining the sauna brick solution"Maybe Klei needs to add more engineering complexity so that these pseuds have to interact with game mechanics like keeping the workplace a liveable temperature.
>>2128780Oh yeah, used to be just -10 all stats for 18 cycles and then it went away. And frostbite was apparently added to vanilla with the cold planet DLC.
>>2128814Brother, zombie spores were always lethal if untreated. What they changed is making the cure require advanced tech.
>>2128820I'm just reading off the wiki history, never actually let anyone get infected.
>>2128790if you power cycle trick you cut the power cost of almost anything to 1/3rd, although I've had no problems just running a huge power plant and dealing with the heat
>>2128790I already mentioned a petroleum generator trick, hopefully hasn't been fixed yet. They output a lot of pwater and co2 but those come out at the temperature of the generator itself, not a temp you'd expect out of combustion. So if you cryo-cool the generator it'll produce a bunch of ice you can use as a heat sink.And then solar of course. It's supposed to be the endgame, but it's pretty easy to rush out a few panels once you get the research done.
>>2127702>>2128598Anon... F-Frankie... could not take the stress anymore. The smells emanating from xe/xir/xem neo-vagina combined with the oily biome polluted air smells, Frankie decided to end xe/xir/xem's life.
>Are you looking for a Jawbo?>Yeah bro>Sorry bro, I don't have a Jawbo for you bro.>Little bro's lookin' for a Jawbo
>Ice-E fans are giant tempshift plates.I never really used them before now and had no idea they did this.The effect is a 2x5 centered around the POI, so the rotate-everything mod can also flip its AoE.They seem to still temp-shift when disabled or floating, so it can't be used as a toggleable tempshift plate.
>>2126820Here to forward the holy cause of virulent racism is an update on the "African Sleeping Sickness" build, which is an improvement on the usual dream-matrix thing. In addition to the maximum aptitude buff, it should produce 308 kg of amber per cycle, which could be boiled into 184 kg of water / cycle. If I am mathing properly you need 52 plants to supply a full O2 pipe. But it would only require 3 blood-bags.Each duplicant can be stung twice per cycle, which causes sneeziness. Dupes only sneeze when awake, which is good for them because it causes the "dead tired: snoring friend" debuff... which they still get because their awake time is only 1 block long, so someone's going to be awake peeing & sneezing. Their misery is irrelevant.I wanted to use Flydos but they don't seem to like pathing through open doors, which is strange. Also open pools of water tend to break them. Either they path through & get stuck, or they run out of charge over water and, idk explode or something. The gnits might also have door troubles. It might be better to have the eggs sit in a separate pool to make the adults fly through a gauntlet of luras to get food, or perhaps have separate "bait" critters that sit on opposite ends with doors that open and close.The Lumb is wild; but I don't know if he's willing to reproduce given the circumstances.I tried a grub-grub, but it did not rub. Somewhat surprising since mimikas work on them. Ambivalent about adding them because then you must wonder why bother with the gnits.It would be good to get licey luras, then I wouldn't have to feed the the gnit bait.>An adult gnits weighs 5 kilograms
>>2133367
>>2133367>open sewage pitwhy do people do this? Why not use Liquid Reservoirs?
>petrolToo hot. Too much CO2.>hydrogen/nat gasClean. Easy. Not enough of either gas.>volcano tamingWow... I'm getting maybe 5watts spare after the aquatuner has cooled it down and I'm sitting on 24,000kg and counting of igneous rock that will be 200-300C on excavation.Maybe I should just have hamster wheels now that my dupes have very little going on in their lives.I've never done solar before but I'm guessing that too is just another aquatuner hog?
>>2098768only seen it discussed on /indie/. Def doubt it competes with Rimworld on numbers.
>>2141460>I've never done solar before but I'm guessing that too is just another aquatuner hog?Are you playing with or without the space DLC enabled? Solar varies from literal free energy to dante must die mode depending on how many asteroids you have to deal with.
>>2141460You get natural gas from refining oil as well and if petrol's too hot than you really need to up your temp management game.
>>2141510Without. I don't want to buy any of the DLCs because they just look like busywork.I can make steel for bunker doors if that's not an issue?Never been to space before.>>2141513Temp management is basically where all my electricity is going. Heat maker? Aquatuner -> Turbine. Base? Aquatuner -> Turbine. Oxygen? Same thing!I have some inefficiencies but I don't see what I'm doing wrong in general when I'm using the systems the game gave me. I'm not sure if I'm just spinning plates and to play I'm actually supposed to find the heat deletion cheats that haven't been fixed via heat transferring to products or the building.Currently on cycle 1700.
>>2141993If you're not messing around with trying to set up some infinite heat deletion loop then one aquatuners should really be all you need to cool your entire base even with petrol generators. Just dump the heat into water and then dump the subsequent superheated steam into space when it nears the aquatuner's overheat temperature. With a steel one you can effectively process about 800KDTU/kg of water even using the output from a cool steam guyser or similar. People complain about heat deletion cheats but the game is perfectly playable without them, you get plenty of water to work with unless you're playing one of the hardmode maps or got absolutely fucked by RNG.
>>2098768It's neat but I regret having bought it.
>>2142049I'm trying not to be a bitch in complaining but I have a steam turbine for every aquatuner so a chimney isn't needed because I'm recovering *some* electricity as far as I have been led to believe.I could even do a base tour to show off how low energy and labour unintensive it at least seems to be. Even with frivolous luxuries like a single carbon skimmer, environmental suits for visits to the mantle, a couple of pixel packs to tell me how empty some tanks are, bristle blossoms, automated valves and gas pumps instead of exposing my base to the 60C water splitting + hydrogen.I just feel like I'm being frugal and I'm not seeing the benefits other than dupes don't have to run on hamster wheels if I'm happy with brownouts. I did recently push up to 12 dupes so now my oxygen needs are hurting me.
>go looking online to try and explain why things just don't seem to be working okay>ceaseless talk of supercoolant>before supercoolant people are actually recommending using water... who cares, they're weird>"The aquatuner always reduces temp by 14C" uhuh, whatever, why is no-one talking about my question>"The aquatuner always uses the same power no matter the SHC of the coolant" what? SHC?>SHC is heat capacity per gram>check wiki>petrol is tied lastI think I see where I was having a problem and why no-one else on the internet was having issues cooling their petrol engines, except for how they'd industrial box them. I would nuke my colony if I didn't consider how many hours it took to get to this point.That is very disappointing that Klei put in a mechanic where there's thermal capacity per gram but the temperature machines run on absolute values that defy physics.Or am I, the wikis and the entirety of the internet wrong about this? This has to be wrong, right? Even without asking if petroleum AND oil's better thermal conductivity would make it cost less per energy, it should have an equivalent electrical cost as any other material, right???Is this why everyone swears off thermo regulators as a useless garbage noob trap?
>>2142251>That is very disappointing that Klei put in a mechanic where there's thermal capacity per gram but the temperature machines run on absolute values that defy physics.Frankly the temperature machines are one of the few cases where I don't mind it because even if it changes the electricity efficiency it still mostly conserves heat, it's just the difference between how fast you dump heat from the pipes to the area around the aquatuner. It's all the NON-temperature machines and mechanics that run on weird absolute values that defy physics that bug me.
>>2142267>it still mostly conserves heatOh yeah, it does in the actual interaction, until you ask where the electricity is coming from.I was even seeing players saying supercoolant + tune up is a perpetual motion machine and were justifying it "Because costs metal" when Klei is ruthless elsewhere and the same people justify it.>It's all the NON-temperature machines and mechanics that run on weird absolute values that defy physics that bug me.Do tell
>>2142251So you had all the information in front of you but just didn't want to believe it?Look, ONI just never tries to match real world physics. The aquatuner costs the same amount of power to run and always lowers its liquid by 14C, that's just ONI physics just like ONI physics only allows one element per tile. So you play the ONI physics game and abandon applying real world physics. Run your cooling loops with polluted water like everyone else until you get super coolant.
>>2142643>Oh yeah, it does in the actual interaction, until you ask where the electricity is coming from.I mean yeah but the difference in power cost is pretty trivial compared to the sheer amount of heat being removed. Since there's no baseline for the power cost you can argue that water or even supercoolant is the "true" electricity cost of the machine and other fluids are wasted power rather than those being free power.>do tellMost machines have a mismatch between the heat capacity of the inputs and outputs which can be used to delete heatSome like electrolyzers output at a fixed temperature so heating up the water to near-boiling first can delete a ton of heatSteam turbines simply such up so much heat you can outright turn the temperature output of a fucking volcano into nothing with oneSome phase transitions have different heat capacities between phases so you can delete a ton of heat by evaporating a fluid or similar.That's just of the top of my head, I'm sure there's more that I don't know about because I'm a stubborn autist and prefer to avoid doing any of that because I think it's lame.
>>2142792>So you had all the information in front of you but just didn't want to believe it?Find out why something's not working as expected. Discover the game is wrong. Fanboy: Enraged.>Look, ONI just never tries to match real world physics.Say that to the electrolyzer's splitting temperature. If the game isn't scientific then it needs to stop using IRL numbers.Genuinely if Klei can make the refinery apply a set amount of energy to its input, Klei can make the aquatuner move a set amount of energy from its input to its body. That would resolve the other problem of how it doesn't even care how much mass it's processing, whether it's 1g or 10kg, it will still cost 1800w and change the temperature by 14. And this is a core feature of the game. What a terribly coded game. Klei should feel bad.
>>2098768ONI:>revolves around automation, the further you go the less focus on your dupes.>ridiculous esoteric exploits like "in order to preserve food, you can supercool it and store it in a vacuum sealed by FLUID>a micromanaging game that wants you to manage multiple colonies.>skill learning is piss easy, so you value individual dupes less.>the only time a dupe could really die aside from you trying to kill one is if the colony is in a downward spiral anyways.rimworld:>direct focus is on your colonists and how they interact with the colony. the best you get for automation is a bunch of specialized robots that need to charge and still need workbenches, even then they are tied to a pawn>solutions to problems are actually equal to the problem, no five step ritual to get rid of unwanted items or keep food fresh>outright tells you "yeah its a bad idea to try and manage multiple colonies", but still lets you do so anyways.>skill learning takes a very long time and multiple things are locked behind having high skill pawns, you value each one individually and want to protect them.>and then pawns can die at any given moment due to a multitude of things, progress is driven by wanting to keep pawns happy and safe.>encouraged to avoid the rare gay pawn because they will actively drive down the mood of everyone due to flirting with all the straight pawns
>>2144548nothing about rimworld is funit's a terribly inept game pushed to forced success by marketing only.
>>2144620what marketing? i only ever see it through word of mouth.
>>2144622the creator of rimworld is THE king of video game shilling. he sells each of one his farts as a premium product as he is a self-anointed savior of video games. you couldn't find better. You can even buy his book!
>>2144624ok but WHERE'S THE FUCKING SHILLING FOR RIMWORLD?unless you're going to say "everyone talking about the game i dont like is a shill!" in that case save us both the time and dont even bother replying.
>>2144625>WHERE'S THE FUCKING SHILLING FOR RIMWORLDall this bullshit, shill>>2144548
I'd love a game like Oxygen Not Included with lots of emergent setups except where they're actually intentional and not just unpatched exploits left by the bafflingly incompetent developers.Songs of Syx is also objectively superior to Rimworld in every single way, the only difference being the scale of management (colony of sinlges to tens of pawns vs colony of hundreds to thousands of pawns)
