Is after the end worth playing? If so which version? Also CK2 thread
>>2108622 (checked)AtE is mostly good in concept but it started to get some major problems near the end of its development lifetime due to a tranny dev adding traits for modern mental disorders and a muslim dev making some cringe-oc donutsteal self-insert who basically takes over California by event.I recommend using the deposed submod made by one of the anons here. It reverses most of the cringe:https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposed
>>2108622>If so which version?Fan Fork if you're a wokescold. Deposed if you're a chud.
>>2108656>>2108637Okay so there's deposed, fan fork and the anniversary edition? (excluding the asian/european ones)
>>2108668i think anniversary edition is the latest version of the fan fork
>>2108668Well deposed is a submod of the fan fork
anyone know the current state of the CK3 mod? I know the muslim dev fell out of favor so his OC has a tiny rump state with no events, so that's good at least
>>2108622CoomerKings for cumskinned jizzbrains
I'm trying after the end but honestly I expected more unique events and mechanics
>>2108622I played a lot of it back in the day. Got kind of burned out, but it's understandable, after so many hours. I would return to it if they updated WTWSMS mod tho.
>>2110369some regions have more new stuff going on than others. also some of the new stuff is straight up garbage, like aforementioned muslim in socal
>>2110963https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/wtwsms-2025-interim-release.1853928/
>>2114629Yeah, seen it, Nice.
>>2108622answer: yes, it's worth playing. use the latest version on the forum (second to last page on the thread for After the End Fan Fork) with the deposed submod here: https://github.com/DeposedAnon/After-the-End-Deposedi like to use it with the Better Looking Garbs mod with the AtE compatibility patch, as well as my own personal set of fixes for graphics issues with some americanist portraits and some units
>>2108637Adding Islam would be fine if they at least did something interesting with it. Some new post-Event movement emerging or adding Nation of Islam, since that's an actual large Islamic group specific to America, which does have believes that would fit the setting. But they instead added generic non-denominational Islam, Twelver Shia and a group based on Shriners who are just Masons who dress up as Egyptians, not actual muslims. Which is overall still more than Jews who's believes were apparently totally unaffected by the apocalypse.
>>2118330progressing
>>2120000how's Barron doing?
>>2114629Are Christian council events and dynamic rise of Muhammad in the mod? Or was that never finished?
>>2120310he likes "cuddling" with men, which seems about right
>>2120380it has a game rule for dynamic islam but says it's in beta
>>2120695continuing
>>2108622Interesting characters in the Charlemagne and Old Gods starting date?
>>2126735Many, you can't throw a stone without hitting some obscure ancient dynasty. Last heir of Frisia, Folcwalding count surrounded by the Franks and Persian Hephalite count in India (Hunas dynasty) come to mindhttps://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Interesting_characters_guide
bros do you have any ideas on submods for hip to play with>>2121274marry ur daughter to the black king
>>2108622>If so which version?Crusader Finns
>>2127961kino
>>2128519kek
So how are your campaigns going?I am currently conquering india as a gay retard
>>2135378I really need to get back to Chud campaign, have had little time to play in months
>>2135443go south for those huge khazar milkers
>>2135443I always forget how the custom empire acquisition works with nomads. You could become the empire of Chud.
>>2108622There's alot of fag and feminist crap i don't like existing in AtE. I removed the addition of the bisexual trait though via its events.>>2108622Does it remove the feminist nonsense in Canada?
>>2135378Just finished (part 1)
>>2141902a (part 2)
>>2141908DoD (part 3)
>>2108622in taberna quando sumusnon curamus quid sit humus
>>2135443AN ETHNIC SLUR
>>2141653Slavs, balts and finno-ugric peoples are tribal in most start dates
>>2108622does anyone know the requirements to settle as feudal in ck2+? I made a custom nestorian nomad so I could conquer transoxiana and make a nice christian kingdom in central asia, I conquered the land but my only option is to settle as tribal. I personally own all the holdingsis it a minimum tech requirement? I started iron century so its like 950ish and tech is minimal
>>2145268I looked through the decision files and I guess they removed settle as feudal directly, you have to settle as tribal and then "reform" to feudal by spending tons of prestige to increase tribe authority since you already meet the other requirements by settling in a feudal countyyou also lose the manpower > event troop conversion so you have to conquer the land and hold it long enough for the negative modifiers to go away so you start with troops
>>2141902>>2141908>>2141911How do you manage to get Civil Wars to be this devastating dragon-wise? Is it a matter of RNG?
I tried to form Switzerland but became emperor insteadThis was the first time I started as a count and ended up emperor
>>2145815is this part of your master plan or were you elected out of nowhere?
>>2145795I use the Dragon's Peace mod. The dragon re-work portion of the mod increases dragon injuries and death during duels and ensures that the dragon duel loser's rider is guaranteed to die or be crippled if their dragon dies. https://agotcitadel.boards.net/thread/4597/agot-dragons-peace-3-2025
>>2145815Now do the right thing and destroy the >HRE
>>2146015I paid no attention at the HRE succession at allMy character was diplomacymaxxing which lead to him being chancellor of three different emperors, so the other dukes thought he was a cool guy or something
>>2146015crashing this holy roman empire, with no survivors!
hello?
>>2152289Good morning Sir
>>2152303hello
Still can't forget my first campaign when I found out after one of my characters died and the oldest son inherited that neither my new ruler nor any of his siblings were actual children of my previous character and thus, not actual members of the dynasty, as the real father of them all was the mom's 50 year old uncle, who was her tutor and had been fucking her from day one since she arrived in my court as a fresh 16 year old and I was immediately told she was pregnant
>>2152542personally would have stopped the campaign right there unless I could marry a true member of the dynasty. The bloodline must remain unbroken
Play WTWSMS.
>>2153344pls
I like HIP but my wealth being split between all children sure is ass
Typical (1)
Targaryen (2)
Shenanigans (3)
now that i upgraded my pc i prefer ck3 over ck2
>>2108622I'm trying to play as a Cristo Rey but the coronation event is borked and all my vassals keep getting pissed at me even though the tacopope loves me and I've wasted 400 goldNow the questions are: did I get epic trolled by Deposed or is this a legit bug in the main AtE, and can it be fixed or should I pivot to Sagrado Corazon
>>2163940YER MONEY OR YER LIFE>>2164054I would bet on ATE, they did really shit job with the final update
>cucked by a WetermenI'll kill them both later.>>2163940While some things can be fixed by mods (e.g; global gavelkind, faggotry, women becoming mayors and being eligible for immersion breaking events), other important things such as the garbage warfare system cannot be fixed without a dev redesign. And somehow, paradox was able to make an AI so braindead that it suicides into bankruptcy and realm dissolvement very quickly and can't even use basic mechanics such as MAA stationing properly. CK3 is a mess.
>>2164140i don't really care about the warsthere are so many blobs but it's more fun to playi feel like there're more features than ck2 with ck3 mods at this pointalso ck2's ui objectively looks worse when ur pc is good enough for ck3
>>2163940I've done zero (0) research but CK3 looks ugly and I get the impression they haven't added much besides making your character turning into a immortal syphillitic magician the norm rather than the exception.
>>2163940All paradox games are fucking dogshit. My fucking ck3 Matilda of Tuscany game got fucking ruined because the dogshit game said I didn't occupy my war goal and it gave me -180 ticking warscore. I literally occupied every province in my claim and then some, without the HRE army showing up. This was about 8 hours into the run after I usurped Italy. This game is fucking dogshit. this was my day off fucking ruined. a 2 billion dollar company cannot fix basic fucking bugs like not recognizing your occupation. Every paradox game sucks ass. Don't get me wrong I am not a dumbass ck2 fan who is going to complain about 'woke', all these games are fucking broken, they just churn them out and require you to spend 100 dollars for the complete game including DLCs. if /vst/ had any sense they would complain about the broken ass spaghetti code in these games instead of women mayors. This is a 2 billion dollar company that charge shundreds of dollars for a game, yet cannot even fix basic fucking issues like your occupation not counting. While third worlders make mods better than the base game for free.
One down. Jaime's sword didn't save him vs Valyrian steel.>>2164589>i don't really care about the warsThen you don't care about the game. An empty sandbox where the AI crumbles all around you due to an inability to handle basic in-game systems is a hollow and pointless experience.
>>2164608>they just churn them out and require you to spend 100 dollars for the complete game including DLCs"buy base game on -75% sale and then pirate all dlc" chads ww@but yeah the games are only playable with heavy modding and regular console commands/save editing because they're so fucking broken
>>2164063surprise surprise, you're right main AtE is the culpritI found someone on r*ddit who had the same issue and had the decency to post what he did to fix it, so I'll go the hard route and attempt to keep the holy order as well since I barely started the campaign and losing the small quirk that sets the religion apart forever would blow harder than just bricking my save
just stole the holy prepuceepicjust epic
>>2164608>I literally occupied every province in my claim and then some, without the HRE army showing up. Why would they surrender if you hadn't even beaten them in battle yet?
Despite an annoying bug with the dragonkeeper title being duplicated with noculture scrubs, the Dragon Rework mod has became mandatory for me due to its regulation of the dragon population via less eggs and more lethal dragon duels. In another long 200 year save (Aegon VI), the population went out of control with 150 dragons and not much in the way of deadly Targaryen civil wars.
>>2165702(2)
I was hoping for her to demand a trial by combat, but her grand nephew had to butt in. Luckily she had a stillborn.
Do people play multipayer still? I’ve never got a chance to play multiplayer CK2 and would like to try it out
>>2166012I do with a friend, it desyncs once in a while but it's playable if you're patient
I tried ck3 after a long time and wow the events have so much text in them, I feel like the same event in ck2 would be 50% or 60% the size of a ck3 one
>>2166841I wouldn't mind if it was well written or immersive but it's simply poor. For example, they frequently switch between first and third person so there's no narrative consistency. They're also anachronistic, with 12th century medieval nobility speaking like tumblrtards.
How do you get wives as an adventurer? Only way I know is rescue a fair subject.
>>2166841Yeah i just stopped reading. I just click on the buttons after seeing the modifiers as if they're eu4 events
>>2166895>>2167253Also, ck2's soundtrack moggs
>>2108637>a muslim dev making some cringe-oc donutsteal self-insert who basically takes over California by event.An OC who is literally descended from HIM mind you. I'm pretty sure that Shia dev got kicked off the dev team for being homophobic
>>2164604There is no magic/supernatural stuff in vanilla CK3 (but it's heavily carried by mods that do have it) but the game heavily focuses more on being the sims medieval rather than a political/history simulation, they leaned heavily into 50 billion joke events
>>2118676>Which is overall still more than Jews who's believes were apparently totally unaffected by the apocalypse.Those got added because the lead dev at the time was a Jewish tranny that wanted "representation"
>>2167467ok which song packs am i supposed to disable because anything that sounds like the base game ost is heavenly but then i get 3 songs in a row where its>shitty techno remix>metal cover>soft rock ballad with a womeme on the mic
the forgotten realm mod is bretty good
>>2167899I'm pretty sure it's the only total conversion mod that still gets updates
>>2167768just look them up, should be obvious. the techno one is called "house lords" iirc
>>2168202If you call making new cuck events and adding static PNGs updates, then yeah sure it's getting updates.Only a fifth of the religions don't force you to be okay with your wife sleeping with other dudes. Why must every mod team be infested with weird sex people?
>>2167899Is that the dnd one? I thought it was shit. Everything is the same from one corner of the map to the other, same buildings, same units, it's just vanilla ck2 with a fantasy coat of paint
>>2168523>Forgotten Realmsentirely lore accurate to be 100% horny weirdo freakshit
>>2168968Yeah the fuckhead adventurers sure. But I'm sure a dragon is 100% cool with his consort being railed on the side. He's gonna bond over it with his buddy the centaur khan whos also getting cucked.
I'm wondering if it's worth it to resign from your liege's council and take the prestige loss in order to avoid staying in their court when their capital is in the middle of an epidemic.
>>2168523>Why must every mod team be infested with weird sex people?trans folx are the most dedicated coders
>>2118676I don't mind Orientalism because it follows the same formula a lot of the new religions in the former US do where someone took a look at something relatively random in the post-apocalypse (1001 Arabian Nights, Aladdin, and Shriner aesthetics) and decided that would be their new religion. Yeah, they're silly, but so are the Occultists and Norse Larpers.I think the twelver Shia was made for the aforementioned OC donutsteal and idk much about the generic Islam. Is that the one they use down in Suriname at game start?
>>2169786>I think the twelver Shia was made for the aforementioned OC donutstealIt is, but it has an interesting heresy that's basically Chinese influenced Islam, you know something that actually represents how religions changed. The deposted mod keeps this heresy around even >Is that the one they use down in Suriname at game start?Yes, there's also Muslim rulers around Chicago and in New York
>>2168991This just sounds like average seduction scheme shenanigans to me
>>2126735Off the top of my head>Charlemagne and his brother>King of Lombardy>King of Asturias>King of Sweden (who's son is Ragnar Lothbrok)>Literally anybody in the British thunderdome>Khan of Bulgaria >Zunists in Afghanistan
>>2108622so which version of After the End should i get?please op and friends help me out...the versiom with the most stuff and less bugs please, idc tranny dev or not
>>2171774Get the fan fork & the deposed submod for the fan forkYou can get the fan fork from either the steam page for it or https://github.com/9Kbits/ateffFor deposed consult >>2108637You can use the newest snapshot for deposed that is there, and I highly recommend doing so, because the last update deposedanon did involved making the major rivers of the east navigable (and eligible to make merchant republics on), which is pretty cool imo.
>>2171774None it's shit
>>2166012There's tons of discord servers that do ck2 multiplayer
>>2108622I'm surprised anybody plays anything but HIP with SWMH, it's literally what the game should have been from the start.
>>2172753I also use HIP trade routes + more HIP cultural names
>>2172753Only CBT enjoyers enjoy HIP albeit
>>2172463>>2172507Been playing in mexico as the actual christians (christo rey) but for some reason i can click on the crown decision but it will never finish the event and give me the trait
>>2108622literal garbage completely surpassed by ck3
>>2172753Any required DLC for those to work?
>>2173727...is what a retard would say
>>2108622ATE Deposed has scientologists in it lol
>>2174199Old mod used to have if, i remember this chairman shit
Current state of the Suomi Empire in the 5th year of the reign of the Boy-Emperor Paivio Tsuudit. The Emperor has had a thankfully uneventful half-decade on the throne since the death of his father, Emperor Veli II, against a Vilnian peasant revolt (the leader of whom was burnt at the stake in a vain attempt at vengeance).Paivio's rule has been administered by a pair of less-than-competent regents who lack the talent needed to properly administrate both the royal demesne and the Emperor's vassals, though not catastrophically so. Many across the realm dream of the day Paivio reaches the age of majority, particularly due to concerns over the Latin West, which appears primed to call a crusade at some point within the coming years. The inefficiencies caused by Paivio's regents can be abided at the moment, but if the warriors of the cross strike east, the consequences of such mismanagement may become the Suomi's stumbling block.1/6
>>2174384Beyond the threat of crusades, the biggest catholic thorn in the side of Paivio's court remains the Teutonic Order, still standing mighty in Eastern Sweden. After the Danish loss of Iceland to the Suomi king of Norway, Hochmeister Adalbert constitutes the only real obstacle to the Emperor's supremacy over Scandinavia. Titanic as its armies appear for a Holy Order though, Paivio's generals know the Order has little means of replacing the vast majority of these men (i.e. they're mostly the remains of the event spawn troops from the Order's creation). One good war would be all that is needed to crush this crusader horde and neuter the Order as a threat. But it will be a bloody war nonetheless, and all agree it is one that should not begin until Paivio controls the realm in his own right.2/6
>>2174391Meanwhile, in the heretical isles of Britannia, the tide once again appears to be turning in the favor of the insular Cathar kingdoms. Crusader France, formerly all but lord of Ireland, lost its grip upon the southern two thirds of the Island, which has subsequently fractured into petty statelets led by women. In the face of this, the Cathar Kingdom of Brythonaid (Wales) has taken the opportunity to reclaim its own lost lands in Leinster, marking the first heretic advance in the Emerald isle in a century.Secular France has had its own tribulations, losing the duchy of Wessex to a heretical revolt. While these developments have certainly killed the momentum of catholic reconquest, the Cathars may not necessarily have the strength to take advantage of this lapse, as the fractured kingdom of Sasana (England) languishes in multiple civil wars. The future of the isles appears to be once again at a crossroads.
>>2174401Catholicism is threatened on the continent, as well. Islamic conquests in Aquitaine threaten the heart of Christendom, while the Holy Roman Empire remains under the yoke of its Latin counterpart in Constantinople. However, Holy Roman holdouts in Iberia still cling to existence, however, and the Knights of Sardinia stand defiant against the tide of Mohammedans in their Algerian realm. That said, the Islamic presence in Francia seems poised to be the target of the next catholic crusade, or so the court in Novgorod hopes.(4/6)
>>2174410Threatened as it is in the west, Christianity also faces Islam in the east. Here though, the followers of Christ stand triumphant. The Crusader kingdom of Egypt continues to reconsolidate after the last crusade restored its power, and the Latin Empire can count Islam's second strongest empire, that of Kanem Bornu, among his tributaries. The true nucleus of eastern christian power, however, lies in the monolithic Despotate of Trebizond. While it is currently fighting a fearsome Jihad from the Shia states that oppose it, the Despot Kallinikos appears more than ready to fight the infidels off (so long as he can stabilize his finances).
>>2174413East of Suomi, the Mongol Empire still lies under the control of the Western Protectorate, while India and Tibet have consolidated under powerful empires of their own.Time will tell how the next few years go for the Suomi's fortunes, which may indeed hinge upon how its enemies to the west proceed.6/6
>>2174416Pure kino playthrough keep us updated king
>>2174416Kino
>>2174416That shit looks scary, wouldn't want to border that
Do I not have a DLC because I dont get why some portraits for women look so weird in a few mods. Like, it looks straight up unnatural.
>turn "context sensitive music" on>Our Kingdom Will Fall immediately starts playing
>>2145815109 years later and the HRE has become the undisputed master of EuropeBritannia is also ruled by the Kaiser's brother
also Denmark got taken over by mercenaries
>>2164608>the dogshit game said I didn't occupy my war goal and it gave me -180 ticking warscoreI bet you that one of your claims was occupied by a revolt (why else would the HRE army not show up yet?) and you were simply too retarded to notice.
I remember the first time I got done in by the ticking war scoreIt's how every CK2 player starts to take it seriously
>>2175439It's actually weaker than you'd think. The Mongols crashed and burned HARD not even a generation after Genghis Khan, they only have like 21k men at the moment.>>2174522>>2174855One thing I should also note is that my previous emperor, Veli II, was also a devil-worshipping follower of Chernobog, and the peasant leader who killed him did so when the man was not only on the verge of reaching the top rank in the society, but also was about to create a demonspawn via the unholy impregnation mission. So in truth that Peasant is kind of a hero, but he also killed my current character's father, so to the stake he went.
Life as a god-king is pretty comfy down in greater hungary. I even got a mail-order bride from china.The only problem is that most of my kin on the steppe abandoned tengrism and desecrated the holy sites with depressing alacrity, so MA is permanently shit.
>>2176524That's hilarious, I wonder if they'll convert it to the Bulgarian culture. Wonder what happened to the previous dynasty>>2177003What a legend, the peasant should've had a dynasty :(
>>2174416Alright time for the next updateThe young Suomi Emperor Paivio has had a rather successful reign over the past 8 years (5 since his regency ended). Suomi's borders have expanded some, its enemies have remained locked in combat with each other or otherwise been cowed, the Great Harbor of Inkeri started by Veli II has finally finished construction, and Paivio can now call himself a father to a young boy, named after his grandfather. Moreover, events in other branches of the Tsuudit family have opened the possibility for a union sought by the Suomi Emperors for at least 4 generations, linking the blood of their rulers to that of the legendary Genghis Khan.At 21, Paivio hopefully has a long reign ahead of him, and it looks particularly bright indeed.1/7
>>2178128The Scandinavian front has seen a great deal of fighting over the 1330s. First, Paivio's vassal king of Sweden, Havu, attempted to take the island of Oland from the vestigial kingdom of Aquitaine, ousting it from the north in the process. Unfortunately for Havu's ambitions, the legions of the Teutonic Order were all too happy to come to the aid of their brothers in Christ, and smashed the Swedish Army, while Aquitaine's own fortunes rapidly swung in a positive direction (as will be detailed later).While the Swedes went home in disgrace (or in a corpse cart), Emperor Paivio, having now taken control of the Suomi in his own right, decided that the time was right to finally cut the Warrior Monks in Eastern Sweden down to size. Declaring a conquest of the Aland Islands, a series of titanic clashes began between the Knights and Paivio's own Suomenusko warriors.The Order's mighty armies ran wild over northern Sweden at first, until the Suomi armies crossed the Baltic via Aland (conquering it in the process) and landed in Uppland. Mighty battles, first beginning in Vestermanland, saw the Teutonic army crippled in the field, and Paivio saw fit to draw the slaughter out as long as possible while his secondary armies liberated Suomi territories which had fallen in their absence, ultimately leading to a decisive victory for the pagans.Paivio's own retinues were savaged by the end of the war, nearly cut down to half their size. Losses for the Teutons, meanwhile, were far more catastrophic, with nearly 2/3rds of their veteran zealots annihilated (i.e. I killed most of their event troops). While a truce now holds between Paivio and the Knights, and they do remain a formidable force in Scandinavia, the war has undoubtedly put them onto a terminal decline.2/7
>>2178142In Britannia, the loss of momentum which struck the Catholic powers in the isles has only accelerated. Crusader France, once the pre-eminent catholic power in the area, has totally lost its English possessions, which have broken into a series of petty counts much like their counterparts in Ireland had at the opening of the decade. That island, meanwhile, has instead seen a wave of reconsolidation, as the ascendant Cathar Kingdom of Brythonaid (Wales) has strong-armed most of Ireland into his domain. King Aeddan II has also made gains in Britain, forcing the French out of Cornwall and vassalizing the short-lived duchy of Wessex. England, too, has stabilized, with its civil war ending in favor of the conquering queen Cwenburg. The catholic statelets of England have managed to fend off more opportunistic attacks by the heretics via coalition warfare, but time will tell how long that lasts, particularly as France seeks to place the counts and dukes under its own suzerainty.3/7
>>2178151Emperor Paivio's court breathed a sigh of relief when the catholic crusade ultimately was declared for Aquitaine, where Holy Roman vassal dukes had already retaken a bit of land along the southern coast. The Crusade was a resounding success, restoring most of Aquitainian King Landulf's realm which had not been taken by the Emperor, and making his title once again a de facto one.What remains of Crusader France on the continent continues to be chipped away by French and Roman dukes, while the HRE has found itself free from Latin overlordship, and thus has reached a pinnacle of terrifying strength even surpassing that of the Suomi.Not everything has been rosy for Catholics in the west, however, as the Knights of Sardinia found themselves soundly beaten by the Muslims in North Africa, losing their foothold there, while an attempt by the king of Sicily to take Tunis also came to naught.4/7
>>2178158The Christian East remains relatively stable. Egypt is locked in an embargo war with the republic of Ragusa, while the income of the Latin Empire (whom I forgot to mention before had actually converted to iconoclasty several generations ago) has finally stabilized. Trebizond has had no such financial luck, however, and while the Despotate basks in the glow of victory over the Jihadis, it now has become mired in fighting off an invasion of Oghuz by the Mongols, to the detriment of its treasury.One interesting development is the invasion of Muslim Armenia by a mercenary band of African Pagans. While Kanem Bornu has found itself free from control by the Latin Emperor, it seems to be having trouble with this meddlesome band so far from its imperial core.5/7
>>2178162In the east, the Mongols have embarked upon their first major invasion in quite some time, though their armies are nowhere near the size they once had been under Genghis. Only time will tell if they can manage to pull it off this time.To the south, the Pali Empire of India appears to be suffering from some fracturing, as several smaller states have broken out from its borders in recent years.6/7
>>2178163One major development for the House of Tsuudit is more of a minor one. 4 or 5 generations ago, the heir to the Mongol Empire, grandson of Genghis Khan himself, accepted a matrilineal marriage with a Suomi Princess, to the shock of the eastern world. For decades since, the Emperors of the Suomi have been attempting to integrate the Great Khan's bloodline into that of the ruling branch of the Tsuudit line. A near success was reached in the time of Paivo's grandfather, emperor Henri, yet was undone by his own lusts causing the firstborn son (and heir to the empire) to be born from his norse concubine instead of his Khan-blooded cousin-wife.Two generations later, Paivio's cousin Olavi, a grandson of that incestuous union, has now had himself a daughter hardly a year younger than Paivio's own son Veli. The stars seem to have aligned to give Paivio this second chance to succeed where his grandfather failed. He has taken the young girl under his own tutelage to ensure that she grows up to be a fitting bride for the future Veli III.7/7
>>2178168Fug, I made a bit of a shitty opening sentence in that last part. Anyway, as a bonus pic, I found this hilariously-named character engaged in some plot to kill his brother.His family crest even has some stags to include the cuck horns lmao.
>>2167469They did boot him out, but rather than get rid of his shitty self inserts, their solution was to make a random Mormon invader that would fuck up Socal and destroy him assuming someone hadn't already, while inadvertently fucking over anyone trying to play a mormon in deseret.
>>2178346Deposed at least changes the Mormon to be the California specific zealot christian religion (forgot the name), as originally intended. Of course Deposed also gets rid of the muslim OC entirely anyway... I actually didn't know that the invasion was added just as a way to fuck over the OC, makes sense though
>>2178908Oh so THAT'S where that fucker comes from.Me and a friend have been playing deposed as Jefferson and Socal respectively, and holy fuck that guy is way overtuned for the early game. 14k men at a point when even the emperor can hardly wield 6-7k just ridiculous. He needs to be pushed out to at least 50 years after game start or have his invasion dialed down to maybe 8k men. It should be just small enough that a big and prosperous Californian Kingdom should be able to fight him off, but big enough to trash a small or unlucky one. As it is, me and my friend only one by fighting him together and getting the emperor on our side.On that note, I hope DeposedAnon is doing okay.
>>2175887Yeah, their quality is a bit of a mess.
>>2179403What's funny is that socal is one of the spots where the consumerist prophet can spawn too, socal just can't catch a break
This is kino
>>2108622agot rules
Good starts in after the end?
>>2184164If you start as Duke of Olympia, you can land Chloe Price on the day one, then switch to her with the console or in the save loading menu, invite Maxine Caulfield, seduce her quickly and get lesbian married before the end of the month. Good enough for you?
>>2184300Best start to invade and make them both my concubines?
>>2108622After the end is so outdated that it isn't. The trannyfork isn't.
trying out a slow but hard start, the only visogothic count in the area during the viking age. went on a suicide mission to save my county from being decimated by the muslims.the holy war ended after 12k troops went to my suicide mission troops and destroyed them, saving my only county from being taken.
going very diplomatic by marrying my kids everywhere. also got the niall bloodline going through with a matrilineal marriage with one of my kids.
>>2185011other kid is married through a favour to the daughter to my liege so he doesn't try anything funny with me. the last kid? most likely going to be a priest. The Ummayads will fall.
>>2184164Start as any Americanist (religion) and restore America
>>2185012Any mods you are using?
Tried going for a Sakya Trizin/Samrat Chakravartin run but I think I'm gonna have to restart in the 1200s. There's a continent spanning hugbox that completely rolled me when I tried to break it up.I could wait to get max level walls in 80 years and fight it with my levies but at this point I think I'd run down the clock.Fuck
>>2187088You could use China to shatter them
>>2187098Without cheesing it to inherit them, I don't think I'll make pace for conquering all of india since I'm staying Buddhist.It feels kind of cheap to do, but maybe I just go bon reformation->holy wars and only convert to Buddhist at the end. It's kind of brainless though
Whats the highest Coefficiency of Inbreeding y'all have been able to accrue in your dynasty? Esfandiar III here has a strong 34.7%, gunning for Daenerys Targaryen's 37.5%I wonder what the highest COI achievable is.
>>2188073I LOVE LANDING FAMILY MEMBERS, FEW THINGS MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN TO WATCH MY KINSMEN PROSPER (ignore the insane half brother who has been in house arrest for 20 years because he caught his dad fucking his sister-wife and tried to kill his sister-wife so his dad used the excuse of "you are insane"(he is) to have him padded roomed.) (Also ignore the cousin who is my rival. I unbetrothed my oldest son and daughter for half a second to try out a chinese marriage, this fucking cousin used a favor to force me to marry my daughter to his son. He is currently pissed because I killed his son so my kids could properly marriage. He did this to himself, his son had a sister, they coulda married but NO, he HAD to have his lord's daughter... sad really.)
>>2108622No, the ai is barely functional in vanilla, it’s nothing but raping passive enemies till you get bored of it
>>2187104I tried to get the Samrat Chakravartin while staying buddhist because my starting guy historically wanted to get rid of hindu invaders and keep his people buddhist but I ran out of time too. Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.It also didn't help that some karluk asshole was born the child of destiny and conquered almost all of northern India
Look who I found in Chicago
>>2188212>Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.You still get to declare holy wars unlike Jains, and all Indian religions get to subjugate a king of their culture group once per lifetime>>2188212>It also didn't help that some karluk asshole was born the child of destiny and conquered almost all of northern IndiaMurder, marriage, expanding within them as a vassal, getting China to dismantle them are all ways of dealing with that
>>2188089This reminds me to disable cadet houses next time I play HIP, painting the dynasty map and having everyone in my realm belonging to my dynasty is very important to me
>>2186258Best start for that?
>>2188912The duke of South Jersey makes for a chill early game, you can eat up your immediate neighbors and New York pretty easily, then go for Hudsonia and unite the north east.Starting in Virginia means that you'll have the HCC up your ass from day one.The count of Rushmore can also be fun, but only if you turn off horse lords, there's barely any holy sites in your area though, so if the other Americanists get eaten up your moral authority will be shit.
>>2178128Absoluite kino>>2178162>One interesting development is the invasion of Muslim Armenia by a mercenary band of African Pagans.oh mein gott its just lik-
>>2188912Walt Disney in Florida
>>2188912There's not many Americanists and 4 of their holy sites are in the northeast, so it's best to start there. The ruler of Connecticut and the Falcone patrician in New York both start with bloodlines, the latter can make a fuckton of money because republic. You can get elected as your head of faith if you win a campaign for it (have to be 35 or older), and can declare crusades (the AI president's first one is typically for Pennsylvania). You also get access to a warrior lodge, satanists, and Shia assassins as societies, it's a very strong religion
>chinaman and negress couple>aryan kid
>>2108622had to come back after the ck3 dlc. doomed game appealing to obnoxious faggots instead of people interested in actual crusader kings
>>2189819The Chinabux are too appealing for Paradox
>>2188912>>2189760Connecticut guy can inherit a weak claim on the duchy of New York from his mom
I micromanage marriages to prevent racemixing in my realm
>>2184164Use the ruler designer on any independent feudal duke, and make them the consumerist religion, then proceed to wage jihad
>>2190141post chin
>>2190141chuds are such snowflakes
What are the differences between all of the After the End versions?
>post chin>chuds are such snowflakes
>>2190274Some of them are before the end
Has anyone tried doing aladin staying Taoist?I sort of want to make a gold road empire of ethnic chinese people in africa making bank in mali
>>2108622>Is after the end worth playing?NoLast time that mod was anywhere fun, it was 2017.Last time that mod was playable, it was 2019.At this point, it's just self-indulgent bloat for the sake of bloat.
I HAVE A QUESTIONI see that Crusader Kings 2 got its last patch in 2021. Knowing how Johan is the reincarnation of the Whore of Babylon, I need to know if this latest version is THE version to play? Or did they fuck something up in the patches somewhere (either through incompetence or more likely so people would move on to CK3)? Is there a version you guys rollback to to play this game? Same goes for the DLCs: Aside from the Aztecs and meme regions, are there any gamebreaking expansions to disable?
>>2191656Horse lords should probably be disabled if you go for an achievement that requires land held by nomads, they're a pain in the ass to fight and it's an even bigger pain in the ass to keep their land.
>>2191656The last expansion was basically a love letter to the game, and clearly the devs knew when they were making it that basically as soon as it was out of the door that CK3 was going to release.The final version is the definitive version.As for the expansions, there really aren't any memes. I think having the aztecs active actually improves the game, but even if you don't want it there's game rule configuration that allows them to not spawn. They're all worth having and none of the regions are all that memey. If you're paying for them then as a top priority I'd say holy fury, way of life, the reaper's due and legacy of rome are must haves. The old gods, sons of abraham, jade dragon and horse lords are next and everything else is as wanted (with rajas of india in dead last)>>2191704Horse lords makes the game better, and they don't tend to blob outside of the steppes unlike in CK3If you want to meme the achievements then do you actually enjoy the game? Hard is fun
Are there still people out there who play ck2 in mp? I know the netcode kind of sucks but I just can't stand ck3.
>>2189797classic cuckold kings model experience
I hate that AI ignores supply limit. Is there anything I can do about that?
>>2195956I never noticed. What do you mean exactly?
>>2190789>Has anyone tried doing aladin staying Taoist?No it's a shit religion
>>2193709There are tons of discord servers dedicated to ck2 multiplayer
>>2191656Play the latest version. In the game's rule settings disable the Aztec/Sunset Invasion, secret societies (devil worshipers and heretics) and if it's not to your liking, shattered retreat, though if you don't want to play with shattered retreat then I highly recommend downloading a mod that restores the old casualty values or you'll spend an eternity pingponging armies. Reducing diplomatic range is also a good idea.
>>2195956They don't? Only some event troops ignore supplies, I think the Mongols most notably
>>2191656the latest version is kino. disable defensive pacts in the rules>>2195956>>2196336the event invaders ignore attrition that's it (so mongols, aztecs, and the turkish conquerors)
>>2196055In the 769 start West Francia will attack Saxony and park like 5k troops in a county where there is only 2k supply limit and just lets half his army get chunked by the supply limit instead of splitting the army
>>2196823I don't think the AI ever split levy armies, they want to merge them and once they have they try to doomstack everything.
You guys have no interest in moving on to Crusader Kings 3?
>>2196844I got it with the intention of porting a mod right away but I lost all interest when I noticed the boot time difference from launcher to game was like 10 seconds (CK2) to 3 minutes (CK3), it just seems so horrendously bloated in comparison
>>2196844I tried it. Didn't like it.>>2196540Chinks as well.
Do you like tributaries?
>>2196823That start is scuffed as fuck, AI Charlemagne will never form an empire title or get crowned, his AI relies on trying to form the HRE, whose formation event crowns you, except it doesn't get rid of the opinion penalty for being uncrowned
>>2195956>I hate that AI ignores supply limit.They don't. Only event units do, both for the AI and the player.
If I knew how to mod I'd create one that makes you invulnerable to raiding for a while if you successfully crushed a raiding party. I was nearly quitting the game after conquering nearly all of India and having to deal with incessant raiding, sometimes multiple raiders at the same time.I don't like disabling raiders because I know it cripples pagans and tribals, but the way it works is so extremely annoying and anti-fun. And they come from very far away sometimes. I'm in India and some motherfucker from Arabia is raiding my realm, is this even historically accurate?Bam, ck2 is now a 10/10 game.
>>2197257I like it because Christianity just completely implodes between the saracens / Vikings seizing all the holy lands and you see all sorts of weird heresies. Then crusades unlock and it eventually bounces back, but it’s neat playing the last Christian kingdom in Wales.
>>2108622Geheimnisnacht is kinda buggy but I'd say worth a shot
>>2196303you're a shit religion
>>2196303The only good religions are conquest religions, which is boring.
>mod I loved never got updated I can't play CK2 without it
>>2199179update it yourself then dick
>>2199310Not him but why would any normal person know how to do that?
>>2200054You think modding is fucking magic or something?
>>2200077I certainly wouldn't even know where to begin with it.
>>2199310>>2200077Shut up, fag.
>>2199310I tried but there were too many files and I didn't know what to change...
>>2200310What errors do you get when you try to load it up?
>>2200316The game loads up but crashes when I start a game. The error.log has ~20,000 lines of errors, a large amount of them are:[triggerimplementation.cpp:17910]: Script Assert! assert: "false && "CIsGovernmentPotentialTrigger has wrong Scope"", type: "none", location: " file: common/governments/tribal_governments.txt line: 49"
>>2200107Retard
>>2200323Have you tried going to tribal_governments.txt line 49?
>>2200346Yes there isn't even a file for it
>>2200358It's from the base game files:>NOT = { is_government_potential = order_government }Looks like there's a messed up tribal government with a bad trigger
>>2108622>start game as premade italian count>about 15 years after game start get chess with death event>die>adult son inherits>about 5 years later get chess with death event again>die>his toddler son inherits>spend years doing literally nothing waiting for him to grow up>finally he turns 15>A YEAR LATER GET CHESS WITH DEATH EVENT AGAIN>DIE>ALT+F4wasn't this shit supposed to be low chance?
>>2200667post elo right now
Has anyone ever fixed the nomad save corruption in AGOT?
>>2200667>chess with death eventNever seen this.Also you should probably get better at chess.
>>2200363>>2200323>>2200346vanilla scripts are notoriously poorly written, causing the error.log to be spammed with various non-fatal errors.I've never gotten any use out of the error.log in 7 years of moddingIf the game crashes while it is still loading (before the title screen) then it might be possible to troubleshoot the issue.If the game crashes during gameplay then the mod is probably a lost cause>>2200667>playing with supernatural eventsit's basically absurd events pt.2
>>2202544I think supernatural events are disabled in the default settings
>>2202718Ah, I see.I never play with supernatural events.
>>2188212>Buddhism is good, just not suitable for conquest.Nah its not that bad, only thing you need is to abuse Eastern Subjugation CB and Jade Dragon CBs with great conquests.I united the entire subcontinent in my Indo-Norse legacy run, I stayed Norse and Buddhist.When you play longer and see large empire, its all about settling claimants and push their claim for large kingdoms.Buddhism is one of the best religion in game and that Ashoka bloodline when you get it is the best bloodline in the game. Better than Alexander's just for the religious liberation CB so you can roleplay a sort of Buddhist crusade.
>Moral authority finally improving after 50 years of non-stop sack, conquest and heresiesNow its payback
>>2205657And who are you, Italian crusader?
>>2205860Yeah Im the empire of Italia on ironman, started out in Orvietto and I let the AI handle things against pagans and muslims but Charlemagne got excomunicated, one of my characters were responsible for kicking out the Karling king of Italy and 50 years of papal wars.One of my characters managed to get Italy, steal Romagna from the Pope (it was the papal states before that), taking back half of Germany from the pagans.While I tried hard to help the shit christian rulers, who wanted to crusade Byzantium (and failed) instead of the Umayyads. Since that fiasco, the Catholic moral authority had been at 0 for about 40 years.Im literally the only guy keeping this sorry state of christendom together.Right now, Im trying to kill the Sultan of France so my vassal can inherit France, while Im going to declare a holy war on Lower Lorraine and Picardie.I also cant get rid of the content trait from my character, and I really need that Alexander Bloodline just to clean things up on the map.My next goals are to become HRE when I finally get that bloodline, unite west and east and form the Roman Empire then get to borders and just have fun at this point. I was thinking about leaving the Roman Empire eventually and forming Outremer with a crusader state but I doubt I'll have enough time.
>>2197348git gud
>>2197348Just settle an adventurer, and you wont have to deal with raiding.Or to permanently deal with raiders, make them convert to your religion, place claimants of your religion on the raiding throne if the ruler didnt ask for mass conversion.
>>2205657>>2206076Havent been playing as much as I want, but finally there is a crusade for France. I hope I'll manage to get rid of content, looking up joining the Monks and stealing an atrifact will help me rid of it, then I can get the Alexander Bloodline.Next plan is to place Catholic and independant ruler in Scandinavia, Saxony and England. Tired of that raiding, forming the Roman empire can wait and the HRE will be my thing for now.
>>2187088I once almost did the Samrat Chakravartin run, had nearly all of India conquered starting as the Pala in bengal. I even got the fucking immortality event and succeeded. Right after that the Chinese remembered I forgot to disable their kingdom level conquest CB and proceeded to take all of bangladesh from me. I gave up right after that. Wouldn't do it again, India sucks to play in.
Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats? My first real campaign was just after old gods release, I played as Songhai and eventually conquered the entire world. There was a lot of shenanigans involved, constant raiding to try to kidnap karling princesses and get kingdom claims, half of my early empire being in Russia because diplo range wasn't a thing and all pagans could marry, massive civil wars when some dumb child inherited the throne.
>>2210982>Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats?The free stats aren't too bad, except maybe stewardship. Being able to get every single character to like 25 stewardship with a maxed education is pretty nuts
>>2210989That reminds me about one time I was playing Egyptian Emperor with incest. Every child, male and female, got stewardship education. By the third generation, my domain limit was 17, I was holding entire Nile Delta and Lower Egypt directly.
>>2210982>Remember when ck2 wasn't bloated to hell with free stats?Only Steawardship and Diplo are really important. Even then, I prefer having Martial, Intrigue or Learning education rather Stewardship. From a RP standpoint, it doesnt fit in my vision of a powerful Warrior King, Priest king or a cunning one. While Diplo is a really cool when you are RPing, I tend to not abuse of it. If I have to play a duke tier title or a vassal, I make room for a Stewardship education. Its actually the best education if you wish to play tall.What really matters are character traits, your councilors and vassals traits. Pic related had insane stats, was in a warrior lodge and enough learning to use Hermetic artifacts, yet he was killed by his ambitious children and powerful vassals who wished for an Elective succession.
>>2211001>+4 from centralization>+4 from emperor>+2 from max council lawUnless you somehow were at 47 stewardship, what am I missing? When you get up to >12 you can do some crazy stuff. Monuments/trade posts and the capital county/duchy bonus let you stack ridiculous income and troop counts from a single holding.It's why I like monastic feudal so much. Temples are norrmally a lot worse than castles, but when you've got an extra 550 levies in 6 holdings from great walls (and the great work also gives you an extra building slot anyway even if you're under) before multipliers you totally dominate any upstart vassals in troop count. I'm sure chinese imperial is similarly strong too.
>>2211046+3 from steward-groomed sister wife. I think, it was long time ago.
>>2205657>>2206076>>2210945This nigger, I will anti-pope his ass.Only issue, princely elective fucks me over. Everyone like my heir but they vote a powerful vassal to be the next emperor.I managed to put my wife on the throne of Byzantium, I only need for her to kick the bucket for one my son to inherit the empire.
>>2211060praise azura mazda
Bene Gesserit-maxxing
>>2211179The irish 9 hostages bloodline that always goes extinct is also pretty good if you can get it
>>2211122Fuck crusades, I dont need the pope, for some reason I have to wait for 50 years to pass the Free Investiture law. So no Anti-Pope and I had my son ready for it, d'oh well. I still have the Reichskrone and the Iron Crown.>>2211262Its a cool bloodline, there are still some around but I doubt it will be useful since I intend to be a Catholic Roman Emperor so its a semi-RP playthrough, I happen to be collect bloodlines by mistake believe it or not. Three bloodlines are from my dynasty and I had the Karling one because I usurped Germany from one of them (they ceased to exist too, the last one became Muslim and he died in Jihad), the other saint one was by accident since the guy became a saint when I was trying to take duchies from his descendant and Dulo is only because I love the idea of sending my sons to be Mercs around the world and they come back as seasoned warriors or diplomats.
>>2196540>>2191716>>2196331>>2191704Cheers lads
>>2211179>Umayyad blob in franceMan I hate vanilla.
>>2211323Just be a better christian lmao?
>>2211300Abbasids imploded in decadence, their empire streched from North India to Morocco. I think I'll invade North Africa, I begin to have similar borders to the Western Roman Empire. Kinda bummed out desu, I was looking foward to fight 200k worth of levies. Italian commanders are just sweeping and clutching hard battles, my own ruler by his mere presence break the morale of pagans with his saintly bloodline and Great Helm for +150% damage against other religions.So far this Rome restoration is more fun than the Hellenic Rome I tried to do, which was very boring to do while I was a secret hellenic trying to convert everyone to pray Zeus.The further I am playing, the further I realise that forming the Roman culture seems out of place, even in a Roman Restoration. Italians and Greeks are clear culture divide from West and East, I dont see the possibility of unifying culture in Middle Age setting. Even with the Roman Empire back in place, it so bizarre. I will still try to do the Roman culture as a Renaissance thing and for the Stoic Intelligencia but still.>>2211323Fighting the Muslim is the bread and butter of a Christian playthrough. I am actually glad the Umayyad blobbed hard, its really the AI that fails to do something.The Christian kingdoms kept on fighting each other. The pope is also a wimp too, this nigger wants to launch a crusade and fails miserably to garner support (I emptied my coffers for the crusade). I had to take it back myself by killing every single Muslim members for the throne of France. For some reason, half of Christendom hates me because I assassinate Muslims.I am fighting more heretics and revolts, rather than fighting the actual enemy.>>2211335Unironically.
>>2211408ITS THE SECOND TIME THE POPE KEKS ME
>>2212019You've gotta vassalize him dude
>>2211323One thing I don’t miss from CK2 lmao, The Umayyad superblobs nearly every time I wanna play an older date
>need a court physician>"my 19-learning son is surely the man for this">two weeks later shoves a live fish down my throat to cure a minor cold and kills me
>>2212019Those are some ugly fucking borders you have
>>2211335I usually play in the ERE and by he time I get done with the Abbasids the rest of Europe is already fucked. Only positive is the holy wars making it easier to finish the reconquest. Oh and the problem is the AI not being able to fight back against the muslims, retard.
>>2212248
>>2178168As the year 1350 opens, Paivio's rule has now settled into quite a comfortable state. Unlike the previous decade, the 1340s were primarily concerned with internal conflict across the Suomi rather than external wars. In particular, the emperor spent much of his time waging a war with his vassal king Karle of Volga Bulgaria, who had under his liege's nose usurped the Tsuudit family's ancestral duchy of Veps. A protracted war in the Empire's eastern reaches rectified this injustice, though initially frustrated by the deadly eastern winters. For the difficulty involved, Paivio exacted further punishment upon his vassal king by taking two of Volga Bulgaria's princesses as his concubines.This has raised some concerns that Paivio may be given to some of the excesses that have plagued the Tsuudit line, but a merciful streak of prisoner releases after both this and the follow-up war to clean up the succession of Veps has hopefully assuaged those concerns.(1/5)
>>2219359The winds in Britannia are now fully blowing in the direction of the Cathar heretics. Brythonaiad has nearly consolidated all of Ireland under its rule, while the resurgent Kingdom of England has begun to gain momentum and devour the petty catholic Kingdoms of Britain's southern reaches. It would seem that soon enough the only remaining catholic presence in the Isles will be the narrow coastal strip held by the Kingdom of France. The French king has heavily invested himself into this redoubt, placing his capital in Kent itself. Should Cwenburg be able to force the Papists out of this last stronghold and out of their holy site, the victory of heresy on the islands may well be total.(2/5)
>>2219382Such a victory may be possible if the English are able to seize upon the current weakness of the French crown, riven as it is by a civil war. On the Pyrenean frontier, meanwhile, the Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Aquitaine struggle to hold the line against a new wave of Islamic holy war. The HRE has managed to unyoke itself from the grip of the Latin Empire (more on that later), but it still faces multiple wars and a manpower base that still has yet to recover from prior conflicts, improving the chances of the Muslims in this endeavor.(3/5)
>>2219395The Eastern Mediterranean has seen a great deal of activity in some parts, particularly in the north. The Latin Empire lost its grip over the HRE in the middle of the decade, and the newly-independent catholics immediately turned the tables on their former suzerains by pressing a claim upon the entire empire. The success of this war has once again brought Constantinople into Catholic hands, though a pretender is currently disputing the matter with a great host currently besieging the Hellespont area.This does presently make the restoration of the Byzantine Empire an unlikely prospect for Despot Kallinikos of Trebizond, but he has found other avenues of expansion in the meantime. The Caliphate of Kanem Bornu ended up losing Armenia to a rebellious pagan mercenary band early in the decade, and the Iconoclasts were happy to clean up the mess. Unfortunately, the Despot still face renewed holy war both from Muslims and Hindus from the east.(4/5)
>>2219413Looking even further eastwards, the Chinese Western Protectorate appears to have lost much of its sway over the asian kings, and Tibet has fallen into a massive civil war. Pala still reigns over most of the subcontinent, and could use the infighting to the north as an excuse to expand that reign.(5/5)
>>2219413>TrebizondWhat the fuckWhat did you do
>>2219429They ended up being one of two major Orthodox(technically Iconoclast) successor states of Byzantium after the 4th Crusade destroyed the empire. The other state was the short-lived empire of Abkhazia which promptly disintegrated and was destroyed by Muslims. Trebizond inherited the vast majority of the empire and have been pretty solid ever since.
>>2219359looking positively demolished at 31, damn
>>2219781The man's been getting drained by his wife for 15 years and his Shimaidon concubines for the last 7 or 8 or so, it's a miracle he hasn't died of dehydration. Plus he's been Emperor since he was 8, that'll age a man.Hopefully Prince Veli will turn out to be more photogenic though.
Here I was minding my own business in an irrelevant corner of the HRE yet somehow I ended up a Umayyad fucking sheikh because of inheritance shenanigans
>>2215393Yeah I know, might the ugliest borders I have ever played so far.Its only a matter of time for me to fix that shit, if I play my cards right. I can get get Byzantium, get all the duchies to form the Rome too but I need to get an Anti-Pope first.
>>2215393>>2223462Forgot the screen
Man I love battlefeild duels, finally the Pope managed to target a crusade on Saxony which I won and gave to an Umayyad christian who had loads of title including all the Francia titles and Hispania (he has bedouin culture, french graphics and pretty okay stats shame that he didnt get a crusading bloodline since he was the original benefactor for Austrasia but the Pope that I vassalized decided otherwise).I think I'll steal that Sayyid bloodline too for the lols but I am already doing a semi-RP run and it doesnt fit the narrative of an Italian dynasty reviving the Western Roman Empire through the HRE and later unite the West and East.My character went from misguided warrior to brilliant strategist (not in the pic), even with all the coalitions of Muslims against him, he has everything to crush any army even two times larger than him thanks to artifacts, bloodlines, personality as well as leadership traits. I discovered that Direct Leader + Flanker are suprisingly effective, depending on the situation. I just need to switch allied commanders to defend or attack.Only issue for now, the Byzantine doesnt have succession crisis or civil wars for succession, and I cant press my weak claim otherwise. I keep on sowing dissent and assassinating Basileus after Basileus, yet its stable. I only need their Empire, the duchy of Antioch and Jerusalem and I can form the Roman Empire.
Did anyone try playing in India? Does it actually have any content
>>2232575Suprisingly a lot of content for Jeets, also the more I played there the more I found myself having fun then it hit me. Buddhism didnt had any heresies and my only problems were either Mongol invaders, Muslims or China being expansionist and playing around them.My fav playthrough was actually playing India in my Indo-Norse achievement. Starting out as a Norse and from here convert to the local religion and keep your raiding, varangian trait culture. It will make for an exotic and fun game. Once you form India, convert have enough provinces to either Hindu or Buddhism (avoid Jain, not that fun but mechanically the best if you want to play tall), few will oppose you in India and these few things are fun to interact with.You'll have only things to worry about like the Mongols knocking at your door, the Abassid blob streching from the Maghreb to your borders and China. All would be sizeable challenge and you will have a superior as well as the large problem of a multi-ethnic and religious land. You will be drowned in instability, and civil wars that will keep you busy.If you manage to still be up, you can also form the Ashoka bloodline. Its Alexander's bloodline for Indians but with one more thing, allows you to do religious war CBs. So you are basically doing crusader states for your Buddhist friends. You dont control the realm you attack but you create loads of Buddhist kingdoms, which is very fun to do.Alternatively, you can play as the last Hunas, known as the White Huns who destroyed the Golden Age of India. They got a special achivement and they are quite fun to revive.
>>2232878Your detailed reply is much appreciated anon, cheers
>>2225564I love how organically my knights are, anyone takes time to change their dynasty names and coat of arms? I intend to give them lands once I conquer the Byzie.I will have ugly borders in the years to come, a plague ravaged Hispania and the Umayyad I place as Viceroy of Saxony is next in line. I think I can turn this an advantage, and release both the him and the king of France from my vasselage thus reducing my threat level.After that, when the Byzantine, will go in a civil war, I will press my claim. So far nothing so I think I'll take Tunis, Antioch and Jerusalem from the Muslims.Still no Alexander bloodline yet, so I guess that reunite Roman borders will wait. Still unsure to go with the Roman culture, Italians and Greek being the bulk of my nations fits better but then again a Roman culture that unite both seems fine in a way.
How rare is the Child of Destiny event? Is it completely random?In like 150 hours of CK2 I saw a Child of Destiny once.
>>2238618yearly_child_of_destiny_chance = { 9999 = 0 1 = HF.199 }once every ten thousand years. this is easily one of the rarest things in the game
>>2223477>he started in charlemagne
>>2223477>Umayyad superblob>Absolutely disgusting HRE, Nordic and Britannic border gore>Slavic superstate to the northAverage CK2 pre 1066 start date experience. Legit, not seeing unstoppable Umayyad blobs 99% of the time was actually refreshing as fuck in CK3...
>>2236631I am always giving the land I won through holy wars to the best knights of my realmI once gave a small part of Tunis to one of them and 100 years later one of his descendants conquered a good part of Africa from the fractured muslims
>>2238646So, the Child of Destiny only appears once every 10000 years and it can be a completely random character on the map?That would make the odds of a player having a baby born as the CoD extremely, extremely low without some form of manipulation. Orders of magnitude lower than getting a shiny pokemon. Only a few people who played CK2 have had the chance to play as the Child of Destiny if that is the case.
>>2239511>>2239636Yeah, my borders are fucked up. I know, but I managed to reduce the border gore a little, I only conceded some counties to Southeren France and took the Saxony Viceroy from himp so the Catholic Umayyad doesnt snatch me half of Germany. I have kind of destroyed the Muslim threat in the short term but I will have to assassinate and duel a lot more Umayyad so that only the Christian ones survive and are next in line to the throne of Hispania. Next objective would be to also get the Sayyid bloodline so I can better control the local muslims in France and Spain along with the Augustus and Born in Purple titles I will invetably get when these Greek homos will finally do a succession war, fucking weak claim I got.I have now the Alexander Bloodline so before getting the Byz throne, I plan to invade Egypt to get both Jerusalem and Alexandria. The border gore will be fixed, its only a matter of time. The HRE acts more like a Western Roman empire, right now, and thanks to the bloodlines I carefully crafted and selected, even the Orthodox greeks like me.Few fun things happening>Gave Saxony to a Saxon kid I adopted in crusade>Turned out to be a very decent military leader>Conquers the pagans in the name of baby jeez>Second son and best heir returned back from his mercenary trip>Rich af, learned a lot of military education>Became a lunatic and fat too>No one wants him on the HRE throne so I am forced to bribe or excomunicate the electors and candidateI also just learned that being an adventurer is apparently bad for the elections, its really a bummer because I love the Huns/Ashina bloodline where you can ask your sons to prove themselves as mercenary and the adventurer traits as well as events that make him a good military leader happens.
Can you restore Rome with any title as long as you're christian or is the Byzantine Emperor the only one that can do it?
>>2241537Pretty sure to restore the Roman Empire you need the Byzie title, have the yellow duchys in your pic under your control, be Christian or Hellenic and thats it. Culture dont matter, you get more flavor if you go Italian or Greek.
>>2239636Does the 936 start suck too?
>>2241971Not that anon but 936 is great.The Ummayad Empire, now newly restored as the Caliphate of Córdoba is strong but not overpowered enough to overrun France unless they get really lucky. Abbasids are very powerful but not unstoppable specially if you have Holy Fury.The european borders as we are used to already started to take shape by 936, there's plenty of interesting characters and it isn't long until Crusades and Jihads begin.Pre-1066 it's easily the best start date.
>>2241971Nah 936 is a very good start, imo the best balance between pagans and abrahimic religions, you also have fun events for certain characters, excellent historical bloodline and a very balanced map and frontiers from Europe to the middle east.>England is stable but there are still Norse vikings roaming around like Erik Bloodaxe roaming and ready to prepare invasion especially if he gets the Norwegian throne>Scandinavia is mostly ruled by christians but the population is stuck in the old ways>King Otto of Germany got special events, alongside his brother too. You form the HRE like in real life or split the realm with a lot more kingdoms and even restablish the kingdom of Saxony.>France is facing an incoming succession war but the King (who is the last Karling) got multiple claims, but you can also play the Capet Vassal and sweep in to use the boy king's claim to your advantage>The "Haesteinn" of this start can both be Erik Bloodaxe but also Imran Shahin of Khouzistan. Both rulers start with event troops and free reign to go anywhere, both can form republics if they wish it too and choose the eligion of their liking, from any flavour of christianity and islam to Zunism or Eastern religion, like Haesteinn. Imran has the advantage to have always a first born son to have the strong trait and he is the only playable ruler in the game with the Peasant Leader trait alongside Ivaylo of Bulgaria.>Ivaylo of Bulgaria isnt in 936 but he is based and a fun start in 1279, in real life he has defeated in battle both Mongols and Byzantine.>No Abassid blob, its the chaos in the middle east and a big war and opportunity rising for anyone willing to take it, be it ambitious muslim warlords or cunning Byzantine generals.>Just the Umayyad are around but the fragmented Spanish realm can quickly unite with a lucky AI or player.>If historical invaders are enabled, Seljuk will spawn alongside Ghaznavids so more chaos around India and the middle eastImo, the balance
>>2241971It's the most balanced start if anything
>>2240717the chance of players getting a child of destiny is higher, especially if both parents have high stats and the baby is strong, attractive, and a genius (all 3 are separate and add up), but if you have an ambition bloodline your chance gets lowered by 80%>once every 10000 yearsnot literally, its just that theres a 1/10000 chance of it appearing every year
>>2241971>936 startWhich one has this? Doesn't sound familiar but I haven't played either of them in a while.
>>2243860It was added in a free patch I think, sometime around the release of Holy Fury
>>2243142What are the odds for the Alexander/Ashoka Bloodine event chain?You need to be an Emperor already, which honestly sucks and kinda defeats the point of getting the bloodline
For me, it's 1081. Bonus points to 1204 as well, it's an underrated start date
>>2244533Yeah, I really should try a late start sometime. Feels like I'm missing out on some good content & context present there
>>2244336Emperor title and not be content, have 15k prestige for both iirc.For Alexander, you need your capital in Europe or the Middle-East best to have lots of money and high learning or diplo stats and choose always the option that costs the most.For Ashoka, you want your capital in the Indian sub-continent, you also need a lot virtue like being charitable, diligent and some others to convince the high priests that you are indeed the reincarnation of the great king Ashoka.>kinda defeats the point of getting the bloodlineI disagree, the bloodline is more about legitimacy and claiming your dynasty the right to conquer the known world because of the infamous Alexander/Ashoka. Wouldnt make sense for a duchy or a king with a little domain to claim to be this when the man is fairly weak.
>>2244671It should be king level minimum, ambitious, no bad traits (lazy, coward, etc) + large domain size, the other requirements could stay the same.
>>2110369Try:1) Empire of California campaign2) New York campaign as either the wayne family or the Rothschild family3) Pirate campaign (recommend the count title under the muslim guy in Flordia; if you do a single island pirate, please just cheat at the start so you're not wasting time grinding on raids -- and I recommend Tortuga as it has Jack Sparrow). Pirate republics can be done in Colombia and New Orleans (the latter only by converting secretly at the holy site, though) 4) If you're looking for more vanilla campaigns, there's lots of good Catholic/Norse/Aztec characters6) If you're into RP campaigns, California and HCC sub-vassals can't be beat and have some family flavor. The duchy of Chicago is a nice RP Catholic run since you are constantly pressured by heathens and Christians alike. 7) Check out the Castel family in Quebec at some point, which has various holdings.8) Play Portlandia at some point9) Tag switch to the Consumerists after they succeed if you like the kingdom they rise up in. If you don't like it, you can save-scum till you get one you like. Keep this pro-tip in mind in the rare event they spawn on-top of you. 10) Rust Cultist is decent and has a little flavor, but I don't have any great characters to recommend there. Let me know if you want more, just try to specify what kind of runs you're into. Also some mods are break with AtE due to Ruinii Imperii event, such as the Rise to Power mod. You can solve this just by commenting out the event with #s so it can't fire.
>>2244671It makes sense and all, but once you get Empire level you can press Kingdoms and just start gobbling up the planet. You'll conquer as much as you want, bloodline or no.
>>2239636Man what are you even complaining about? Umayyad blob into a weakened Aquitaine is realistic enough. It literally almost happened already in the history. If the Umayyads were stable and the Christians divided, why not? The annoying part is that it triggers the era of Crusades in the middle of the Dark Ages
>>2245739>Tag switch to the Consumerists after they succeed if you like the kingdom they rise up inYou can also BE the Consumerist prophet (basically Muhammad but he worships money) if you make any independent feudal ruler a Consumerist in the ruler designer
>>2244533>For me, it's 1081Too bad Alexios's artifacts are bugged in that start
>>2243860one of the last ck2 updates added it as a start
>>2245758a very underrated start in this bookmark (probably for a good reason lol) is this russian island that irl has like 100 people living on it, but the guy on it always starts as a high martial strong chad and on an old save i turned this island into a 7 holding merchant republic
>>2245767This is entirely fan-fiction on Paradox's part right? Because who knows what lived on some half-arctic buttfuck island in the middle of literal nowhere in nine-hundred something ADAlso post screens plox
>>2245008A king with a large domain is just a king with not enough prestige to form an Empire.>>2245741Depends on the religion, and Jade Dragon Great Conquest requires you specific requierements for you to fill in.To press claims of others, you need a lot of work around like having the claimant come to your court or have the chance to press a weak claim in a timely manner.Alexander/Ashola doesnt need that, and you can just land your sons and daughters so they can conquer in your name too and you just sit, relax and watch how your empire expand on its own.
>>2245767Nenet phenotype according to CK2 vs. Nenets IRL. Man am I glad I bought all those facepacks.
>>2245767Isolated islands are the best kind of stuff to play especially in Merchant Republics, I tend to only play ones that are one county duchies like Goatland, Mann, Socatra or really small kingdoms like Sri Lanka.
>>2245848>This is entirely fan-fiction on Paradox's part right?Pretty much. Look how poorly documented early Scandinavian history is, and those are the people that actually interacted with Christian Europeans, let alone a bumfuck Arctic island
>>2245767Welp I found my next run. Probably going to be a snoozefest.
>>2245848Bruh lolIf it's real, there is a wikipedia button linking it for you. For the initial 1066-1453 release, they hired a team of historians to make sure everything came out perfectly. It was such a laborious affair that they basically stopped doing day-by-day starts afterwards, including in later DLCs. Remember that it wasn't just date too. The map used to end at the limits of the original CK1 map, so halfway through Persia.Basically everything outside of that core era/region (Europe) is made up. No clue if Rajas of India's accuracy though. >>2245937mfw my game about the Dark Era is based on shoddy history
>>2246026It still amazes me that Paradox actually put in the effort to recreate 1066-1453 year by year. They should publish a historical atlas while they are at it, most of the work is done already and it would be a shame if all this information gets buried along with CK2...
>>2246026That noc doesn't have a wikipage though. He is one of the made up ones.
>>2246026>>2246061CK2 free starts is the one thing that keeps me coming back, there is some unique gems. Later dates also got more tech so you do get more raids from the sea from Berbers for exemple.One of the cool start I like to do is 1279 as Ivaylo of Bulgaria the peasant leader who beat the Mongols and Byzantine in battle.Shame there is no Syriac Christians in any dates, but you can always play the Mongol Nestorians or Socatra.
>tfw never got a cool nickname like The Conqueror, The Hammer or The Lionheart
>>2246713>Expand your realm in all directions undefeated in battle>Managed to even capture a foreign ruler in your most bloody war>Establish your dynasty for centuries to come>Centralize the laws and bend the nobles to you and your next heirs>Known as "the Lame" anyway
I really, really hope that one day paradox reworks their bad boy points system into something more functionalCoalitions suck, have always sucked, and will always suck. If you could actually break the back of a coalition and if the AI actually coordinated properly it would be improved immeasurably
>>2247224Just disable them in the game options lfmao
>>2245937>he doesn't know about Hyperborea
>>2247355Something like them should clearly exist, it's just the implementation that fails
Is it possible to get the Sayyid trait into your male descendants?
>>2247535Yes, but you have to go via another faith to force a matrelineal marriage with a sayyid
>not disabling matrilineal marriagesscrubs
>>2247554>you have to go via another faith to force a matrelineal marriage with a sayyidSo, I need to get a female relative of my dynasty married matrilinealy to a male sayyid, wait for them to produce a male son and then get that son in my succession line somehow?
>>2247610Yes, basically
>>2247224I think Im in the minority when I say I like the defensive pacts, there is so many ways to deal with it and in the mean time you can always plot your next move.Wha I like to do is set up other realms succession towards one of my heirs through marirage, assassinate, excomunicate, etc...If I really have to conquer big chunks of map, putting realms in NAP is a good solution.From guarding their heirs, marriage, and more so they cant declare war.Then at some point, Im so big and powerful I literally dont care about the threat level.
>>2247864Being able to win wars is fine, I just hate the fly swatting
>>2247873I dont mind, there are ways to minimize and it makes kinda sense in a way like whe I was the duke in North Germany expanding in Scandinavia to root out pagans so they formed a defensive pact against me but also not really in a way because these relams were decentralized and communication was shit, yet I like the balance around managing and expanding your realm that these defensive pacts bring into the table.I remember one time I was fucked over because of a defensive pact.The Pope asked me to depose some an excomunicated king to get his coronation, and while I was still in a large defensive pact because of my previous ruler. The Pope joined in this war against me, a war he asked me to do in the first place.
>>2246683I think there's an Assyrian Christian count somewhere in upper Iraq under the Ilkhanate in the 1260s start in HIP. Can't remember if it's in vanilla or not.
>>2247912>The Pope asked me to depose some an excomunicated king to get his coronation, and while I was still in a large defensive pact because of my previous ruler. The Pope joined in this war against me, a war he asked me to do in the first place.That sounds like a stupid and broken mechanic
>>2248810It is, but the idea of defensive pact isnt bad on paper. Imo, it should work this way>Christian ruler deus vults his way in Central Germany>Defensive pact of all pagan rulers but only them>Pagan rulers should accept or not to join in a war against the the Christian ruler>They only accept if their opinion is good (Opinion >= 20)>Always accept if Zealous>Defensive pact shouldnt carry over other religionThat last thing is the big problem in that mechanic, just because I made Slavs stop praying trees, Muslims and Christians shouldnt think of me as a threat.However, expanding too fast should make my neighbours more cautious of me, in the sense that it inccur a negative opinion. De jure opinion is already in game, but it should be used against me for the AI to ask the pope to excomunicate me. Not far away rulers like Spain or Engalnd being involved in a defensive pact when multiple borders seperate from me and them, also the Pope can have unique events where he will ignore my large expansion on the one condition I install an Arch-Bishop appointed by him.Its a shame that Paradox didnt looked into it more and just dropped that in CK3.
>>2248843Yeah that definitely makes more sense. Now mod it in!
>>2248843I don't like defensive pacts because they hinder AIs and I like having rivals
Does the AI check your rank and prestige to see if you're worthy of marrying their daughter?
>>2249813a little but the "political concerns" malus is way bigger. but yeah if youre like a count or duke, unless you have a fuckton of dynastic prestige, good luck marrying a byzantine daughter
>>2246683>>2248809just make a custom ruler or convert as an existing onmongol christians (especially the messalian heresy) are gemmy though
>>2249813Yeah but it's basically irrelevant in vanilla
Is the faerun mod any good?
>>2249878It's vanilla ck2 with 0 flavor and a fantasy map
>>2249817>a little but the "political concerns" malus is way biggerWhat affects it? The in-game tooltips don't seem to explain some of this stuff at all so you have to go by intuition.
>>2249878I hate faerun as a setting, there's zero flavor, I don't know who anyone is. Play Warhammer Geheimnisnatcht instead>>2249924Pretty much if you rub shoulders with them in some way geopolitically
>>2249821>just make a custom rulerI think I will desu but I like to start as a semi-historical character.>mongol christiansYeah they are Uyghurs for most of them and there is the Ilkhanate in the 1200' too, while I like them I discovered recently that among the Altaic/horde culture only the Jurchen can form a Chinese Imperialism style of governement. I want to try that out as an Eastern Christian. I already got my fair share of Catholics/Orthodox, Muslim and Indian religions. Sadly no Jurchen start in any date afaik.>messalianMeh, they are only a meme religion with the incest stuff. They allow women commanders/rulers and stuff so it can be OP.>>2249924If a foreign ruler can use a personal CB on you.You can always buy favor and force a marriage pact + NAP; I like to see it as a sort of dowry.
Some CK3 cucks are mad that we still play CK2.
>>2247610Yeah it's the exact same process as getting bloodlines into your family
The more I play this game the more I dislike the pope
>>2252233make sure to thoroughly wash my feet if you want your excommunication lifted chud
If you play vanilla and have a shit PC, this runs way faster https://github.com/ck2plus/CleanSlate
>>2252256Not so fast.
>>2253738What is this, sort of a community patch?
>>2253882It's basically the closest we have to a ck2 engine overhaul
>>2253807>769 HREIm currently doing my own HRE -> Roman Empire but are you a Karling or a Capet?That HRE coat of arms never suited a Karling but I always try to get that one as a Capet in early starts otherwise I like to break the HRE and form a strong FranciaOut of all the coat of arms available to create the HRE, I think Empire of Italia, Asturias or Lithuania for that knight. I also like Burgundy with the lion + chi rho too.I dont know if anyone managed to see the HRE formed as the Pope, their coat of arms is cool too.>Balkanized UmayyadLucky you, only happens when I play as a Muslim.
You think I can bump my damage even more?
>>2254326>but are you a Karling or a Capet?I started as a count of Chartres, and tried to get the duchy of Blois, and then I got absorbed into the duchy of Anjou. I then Became the Duke of Anjou and by this time the HRE was formed not by my doing and I was an elector voted for myself and bribed two other electors
>>2254326>Balkanized UmayyadI made sure to attach my army with high level commanders every chance I got to weaken them to that point even as a single county count.
>>2254379The best damage modifier is cruel and aggressive leader. You crush armies with those traits.
>>2254546Anything pursuit related like the hunter trait, that's when you kill the most people in battle.
>>2254379Also write a book and smith a personal weapon.
>>2254546If I had a very agressive type of commander, I would put cruel, wroth and agressive leader but they all give shit tactics like reckless charge tactic.In my exeperience, you get more out patient, brave and inspiring leader. I got unlucky with some leadership traits but central leader with flanker are very good combo to crush the central line and just flank the rest.>>2254592I actually have on Feudal Warfare but Im really close to be Roman Emperor and change my governement. So I guess I'll have to re-write it or if this character gets Roman Emperor maybe it will change the requrement?I have the Champion armor boosts my morale damage, the War Crown that boost religious damage on top of two bloodlines that boost religious damage.I just keep the sword of the first king of my dynasty and of Romagna (which gave me the idea to restablish Rome as an Italian), I may have to change it but so far no crusade on Jerusalem so no Lance of Longinus, I guess I'll have to take the Zwheihander or the handgun instead.
>>2254626imperial government still counts as a feudal monarchy iirc
>>2254626>I would put cruel, wroth and agressive leaderAnd brave and patient if you can. As important as it is to get good traits you should avoid some too. Avoid slothful and craven
>>2254626>I would put cruel, wroth and agressive leader but they all give shit tactics like reckless charge tactic.>In my exeperience, you get more out patient, brave and inspiring leader.cruel and aggressive leader along with cavalry leader destroy armies when in pursuit phase.
>>2249878Good>Dozens of races and plenty of unique classes >Good variety of societies >Deity system>Custom adventure system>Many different artefacts>Descriptions for some culture>Some nice unique goalsOnly problem? Half of these are either unfinshed or very shallow. Many deites are just a stat bonus, although a few have multiple unique mechanics. Most races are also just a stat block, with a few exception like elves and dwarves. Map feels too big - I don't really need a chunk od China, three Arabias, two Indias, and two Tibets, if they play exactly the same as any other place on the map. The mod is pretty (literally) gay, although less so than a few years ago. Now it's more cucklod-y, with every bastards autolegitimized and polyamory avalible for everyone.Overall, wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle. Can be fun at times, but Elder Kings, Warhammer and even unfinshed Warcraft mod are better due to the narrower scope.Captch: MAPRP, how fitting
What settings do you use for interactions with China?I turn invasions and tributary wars OFF and keep interactions restricted to the eastern border of the map. I know it makes the game easier and they can shake things up a lot but China invading that far west feels too ahistorical for my autism.
>>2255357Tributary wars are fine imo, otherwise I agree
>>2255507Yeah, thinking about it I should've left tributary wars on and maybe adventurers
>>2255357I keep "Default" and "Within Range," it makes for some interesting situations and emergent gameplay in some cases.>China invading that far west feels too ahistorical for my autism.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_TalasWell it has some historical precedant, the Abbasids did met in battle some chinese expeditionary forces at Transoxania.Sure the game has some uncanny stuff but nothing out of the ordinary when the AI goes wild.
>>2255357I normally set it to no major invasions, but then 1 game had literally everything east of the hre as a chinese tributary and I immediately turned those off tooif there was an option where china could only make nomads tributaries, and had the tributary go free on succession, I would use that
>>2256130I think Only Adventurers is a good compromise. They're very powerful and dangerous enough to cause big changes in the eastern part of the map and they're chinese.
>>2255357I just have the major invasions turned off, otherwise the western protectorate will own half the map
>>2255357I turn everything onIn 1000 hours of gameplay, I've only ever actually seen a successful expansionist china once, and they never left tibet
>>2246026>If it's real, there is a wikipedia button linking it for you.Not quite, there are legendary and semi legendary people in the game. And I think there are legendary and possibly real ones that have no wiki page links, if I remember it right.
>>2258342>real ones that have no wiki page linksYes. An wikipedia page has nothing to do with whether or not someone existed. Plenty of people recorded or referenced in contemporary documents and primary sources have no wikipedia pages simply because existing by itself doesn't warrant one.Many samurai recorded in documents from the Warring States Era in Japan have no wikipedia pages, even if they are mentioned in someone else's page.Lots of historical people, probably the vast majority, are known only because their names, with absolutely nothing else about them, show up in some document.
These mods made CK2 the perfect experience>Cadet Dyansties + Cadet Dynasty Tool https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1231359991https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1125535530>Chivalry and Knighthoodhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3204262989>Medieval Trade Routeshttps://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=1812286001>Holy Order mods (I dont add the Catholic ones for balance)https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=2821149734Other small mods that enhance the game? No HIP or CK2+
>>2261578>no trade routes in europethey're already modeled by merchant republics, which are defacto a europe exclusive mechanic
>>2261879me building a tradepost on my capital as a feudal ruler doesnt counterbalance venice building 500 billion trade posts everywhere
>>2261905Except you benefit from trade posts existing in your land from an increased tax base. It doesn't need a counterbalance because even if they're not your vassals it's still in your interest to be on good terms with themSilk road and gold road trade posts shape the geography and politics in a way that's interesting and unique to those regions on the map. Spamming a load of trade roads randomly in europe warps the balance and incentives in different parts of the world and flattens it substantially compared to vanilla.How does it make the game interesting for the map to have more trade provinces than non-trade provinces?
Here's another Ummayad gigablob for the pile.All I wanted to do was form the norman culture but it can't even appear before 950, so I'm stuck on this doomed continent for another two decades. So basically, are Great Wall wonders any good?
>>2262811IMO the great wall is the single best monument in the game, particularly if you play centralized around a single 6 slot county and use a government type that allows you to hold temples/cities
Strong urge to invade Italy and destroy this fucking bullshit called "papal states".
>>2264878That's an excommunication, chud.
>>2261879I prefer adding European trade routes, makes the Christian kingdoms capable to sustain the pagans and Muslims. Its also much more comfy to play tall in Britain and France too.The Muslim Sultanates get even stronger in Africa and dont simply fall easily.It just allow for more gameplay and emergent moment.>>2262337Silk Roads are much better than the European trade route, you still dont get to trade with China. It just make your vassal much tougher to manage and organic rivals, from Spain, Africa, and a tall Britannia. In vanilla, apart from blobing and painting the map, you dont have a lot of reason to conquer a lot of lands.>>2263137I prefer the Great Fortress just for making Zwheis, but the Great Walls are great to rush for that max level fort in early start dates.
>>2264886Dont care
>>2265438>ZwheisI mean, sure, but there's quite a few ways to get decent weapons. and they do nothing if you aren't in europeIf you focus on the +levy bonuses you get 600*5/6/7 levies between the holdings before any other multipliers, which is absolutely crazy. On its own it's a huge swing in faction stability and vassal loyalty. You can also completely cheese sieges by just not raising levies from your capital holding where I've genuinely seen holdings which require 10k+ armies just to siege them in the endgame (with at minimum +25% siege defence and +1.25 fort level from the fortress and those features).The grand fortress is in second place... with 100 heavy infantry. It's not objectively superior, but it's extremely hard for me to imagine another great work I'd ever want in my capital except for larp, maybe besides the great harbour if you just want a fuck ton of money or the grand library if you're playing wide and stacking stats.The worst thing about it is just how high the tech requirements are compared to everything else. Even if you're rushing it as an empire, it's still going to take a hundred years to hit construction and keeps level 4 in your capital in 769
>>2265496Zwheis are perfect for the high martial dudes you get through the White Knigh bloodline or Karling, sure its only Europeans who get to weild it but ni my exeprience, coupling that with a steady of good commanders from an Amphitheatre or one of the bloodlines mentionned get you far.I didnt consider the levy bonus, so you do make a good point.
>>2265438>It just allow for more gameplay and emergent moment.Fair enough. Normally when I play in the region I convert to a catholic heresy like fraticelli and focus on international affairs and the balance of power. I usually create a vassal merchant republic of my dynasty somewhere in the kingdom and that then forms the basis for international economic influence.>In vanilla, apart from blobing and painting the map, you dont have a lot of reason to conquer a lot of landsWell, you do lol. The moral authority pushes you towards controlling holy sites, de jure land pushes you towards controlling and maintaining the natural boundaries of your kingdom and dynastic prestige encourages you to position your dynasty on foreign thrones, on top of the general benefit of larger realms being more resistant to outside influence.I personally find that to be enough, in western europe at least. India is terrible but it's been that way ever since it was added
>>2265506>Well, you do lolNot necessarly, CK2 core design philosophy is all about vassal management. You can blob and expand wide but you will have to deal with nobles wanting more lands from you, faction demanding more power or new laws, etc... You dont necessarly need to control all holy sites or de-jure land but it is easier that you do.Once you know how to deal with them or to balance your power between vassal and liege, you have stability.Alternatively, you can help other nobles or sit dynasty members on other thrones, thus setting up better diplomacy and religious authorithy on holy sites. They deal with nobles, they deal with wars, you can help them through religious wars too thus increasing opinion and setting up strategic marriage for you to deal with claimants, invaders or stand united against a common enemy.Its another style of playing that I found more engaging than just expanding and painting the map, but thats just how I like to play. It is fun to play and paint too, but it really depends on your goals and how you set up your character from the get go.
>>2265524fair enough, agreed on all counts
whats the quickest way to get control of those two cities when you start as venice?
>>2265524>CK2 core design philosophy is all about vassal managementI struggle to contain my urge to always centralize power and rule like an absolute monarch
>>2265836Its also an objective and has some historical truth in it. In game to get there, unless you cheese with the Byzantine Empire, you have to deal with the entire realm trying to fight for their right.Historically, the Capet build their entire realm and dynasty by centralizing and keeping vassals in check while giving them enough space to breathe and be manageable.Their power was so strong that at some point they were the one to put an Anti-Pope in Rome, borrow from both the Jews and Templars just to kick them out.Even when the mainline died out, a Cadet dynasty took over and they centralized even further and eventually they had the entire nobility in check.
>>2265858You can just about achieve it in the lategame with viceroyalties, but even then turning an empire into a system of viceroys is disruptive and takes at least a generation unless you want to fight a load of civil wars
>>2265942It super satisfying to turn a large realm into a system of viceroys. However, I like to put a spin where I keep my vassal happy in a way where they think they have power when they have none. My favorite place to do that is in Birtannia.>Only raise taxes on nobles so they can have large armies and keep very good opinion of me>Full power to the council and primogeniture>Keep De Jure Kingdoms in Britannia to specific dynasties>Individually raise their kids into either content, just and trusting vassals>Set them up with either cousins or a lowborn child so they dont get strategic marriage or strong claim>Put the Kings on the council, usually as Steward, Chancelor and Advisor>Remaining Kings is either too weak or too loyal to do anything about not being on the council>Have Alexander bloodline at this point>Give Viceroys on the continent to my kids>They conquer on their own while I reap the gains>Intrigue focus and spy on my kids to find reason to imprison them or excomunicate them>Set up the continent with ambitious and zealous vassals with de jure claims on all side>Divide and conquer>If one vassal gets too powerful, he is on the council or excomunicated anyway>Or demand him to have gavelkind and kill him
>>2265858I've tried playing the "intened way" once, having to manage vassals and obeying council authority, but all it takes is the council to vote against what I want one time and I already want to murder all of them.
>>2266140you just have to pack the court with #yourguys then fire them for better ones when needed
>>2266140>I've tried playing the "intened way"You did play the intended way, managing your vassals is hard and the goal of most players is to make thing easier.You can outsmart your vassal by playing the legal way, prosecute their crimes, owe them favors to you and or keep them weak by implementing harsh laws and taxes without incurring a tyranny CB.Or you can embrace your role of despot, kill, revoke, put sycophants in position of power, ignore the warnings of religious leaders and even put them in their place the same way you swept the nobility.Might makes right until your actions build up and you are accused of tranny, be excomunicated and ambitious uncles and brothers make their own move in the chaos.After all that, if you are lucky of course, you are a lowly count and the son of that despot. You climb the ladder and claim what is rightfully yours and die in your own poop because of a dysentry outbreak in the region.Still I doubt there is an intended way to play CK2.
>>2190272>snowflakesGot mindraped by Ben Shapiro in 2016 award
Has anyone ever seen either Harold Godwinson or Hardrada win in 1066?
>>2270711in my experience Hardrada wins most of the time ever since HF came out.Basically if Harold defends the south then he and William fuck each other up, William wins and becomes king of england but Hardrada's war (and sieges) are not invalidated so he barrels southward with a mostly intact army and 50+ siege warscore right from the get-go.I've never seen Harold win on his own, and I don't know how to go about winning as him other than expelling the jews, hiring mercenaries and getting lucky.
>>2270747Cool. I played about 4 games (all DLC except aztecs) starting from 1066 and William won England in all of them.
>>2270747>ve never seen Harold win on his own, and I don't know how to go about winning as him other than expelling the jews, hiring mercenaries and getting lucky.Marry off your family for alliances, notably to the king of France to cancel the war with William, then let the Norse attrition themselves to death while you pick off isolated stacksLike the other guy said, Norway wins the war most of the time and William spends the rest of his life languishing in a Norse dungeon
