And RTS... is saved.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THcm-QXStPA
>>2112529Goofy cartoon slop, looks like some crap blizzard would make. I'll pass thanks.
LET'S GET THE PLAYERS BACKTHE MOMENT IS UPON US. BRING YOUR FRIENDS, AND THEIR FRIENDS, GET THAT PLAYER COUNT BACK UP TO 1000. TAKE SCREENSHOTS, STREAM TWITCH ALL DAY AND NIGHT. LEAVE THE GAME RUNNING.THE NEXT GENERATION OF RTS IS HERE, AND ITS UP TO US TO SAVE IT GUYS!!THE GAME IS FREE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE? YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS LAUNCH AND PIXEL FOG OF WAR!!MY LIFE FOR AMARA!
>>2112529buy an ad
>>2112529how long until service and studio shutdown? Do you think they'll wait a week to see what happens, or is Tim currently moving boxes out of the office already?
>>2112731i give it a couple of months, until the end of the year max unless they manage to get more suckers to invest
i haven't followed a game in development in probably a decade, but did the meaning of the term roadmap change or was it never what i thought it was? to me a road "map" was something that set out a specific timeframe for specific things to happen, the "map" part implying specificity.when i look at this shit, all i see is, first column already done, second column started work on but no timeframe for completion, third column, haven't started work on but would ideally like to do at some point. and seeing a second campaign in that third column makes me think that the current campaign won't tell a complete story, it'll end in a cliffhanger which is unlikely to get resolved judging by the way the game is going, so why even bother? before i saw that i might have been fooled into thinking they were doing a red alert thing where each faction campaign just resolves the conflict from the faction's perspective, instead of selling me a third of a campaign every couple of years.but let's be real, this game doesn't have two more years of life and that second campaign will never start development, let alone get released.
>>2112529they had their chance and they blew it by having their heads so far up their own asses>A game’s only late until it ships, but it sucks forever
So, in the end what did they mean when they called it>next-gen>the first social rts?
Why does Stormgate have 3 threads now? It deserves 0
I feel bad for this project. What is the point of trying to ape SC2 when it's 15 years old at this point?
>>2112529yaaaaaay yet another e-sports centric generic RTS with no soul, no interesting characters and no plot!!! I can't wait to spend $$$$ on skins!!!!
>>2112529Who is the target audience for the blizzcore artstyle in 2025? Blind people?
Let's get to it stormgamers
>>2112529>steam db>August 5 2025>stormgate 950>fallout 4 16k>HoI 4 40k>Bannerlord 16k>counterstrike 8k>counterstrike source 36k>company of heroes 3 3k>" " 2 3k>dota 2 490kI played it last night and put it down. It felt like dlc for Starcraft. I've played better custom maps like Undead Assault 2. There are maybe 6 streamers on twitch playing right now, the largest had 700 viewers.It seems like the devs wanted to literally cash in on being Blizzard employees and found enough backers to rip off. Are there really enough whales willing to stop buying WoW mounts and Diablo items to buy another game?
>>2113035they meant "buy our slop stock" and "*tim rubbing hands noises*" and "*tim cackles as nobody remembers he was in charge of generals 2 and it was such atrocious shit it got canned by EA of all publishers*"
>>2113048Out of touch ex-blizz suits thinking they can capture the same market over a decade ago, without any of the talent, passion or understanding how the market worked
btfo
>>2112529Why does this look worse than Warcraft 3 on release day?Am I going crazy or did we really peak in 2018 graphics, gameplay and from a technical standpoint? It feels like even "big" games with years of development look and play absolutely shit now.Is making good video games lost archeotech?
>>2112974This road map is a mix of wishful thinking and an excuse to preempt complaints in reviews. So the devs can point to the "road map" and say "see, we're totally doing it in the future".And considering there's shit like "improve sounds" in the "to do" column, this means the game is STILL in early access.
>>2113271>did we really peak in 2018 graphics, gameplay and from a technical standpoint?that was when the talented people and business interests intersectednow the only talented people are making low budget indies and the business interest is gay aids slop
>>2113274>improve soundsholy moly i did one mission then got blasted by the noise of the xp bar (or whatever it is) going up, its the """"full release""" how can they not do the most basic fucking volume normalization
>>2113059I wish they had skins. They have fucking nothing.
>>2113297small indie studio with 20 million in funding, please understand.
>>2113393>20 million40
>>2113265the shills are absolutely fuming at this, I'm surprised the post is still up
are they doing the employee reviews bit again? these sound unnatural as hell and one guy has a faggy corporate frost giant avatar.
>>2112974>Celestial faction economy changes in done>Celestial faction updates in to-doThe third team is being finished on the fly?
>>2113265>>2113477some of the responses this guy got were depressing. just human cattle desperately begging for and defending the farmer in the hope they keep getting gruelit's actually even worse than that because cows are forced to eat gruel to survive, but as a person you aren't. cows get fed gruel because it's cheap. stormgate is expensive, low quality, has no future, as a form of entertainment, it has infinite alternatives that are free and better in every way, as a game it has at least a dozen cheaper, more complete, and more fun alternatives. and you have the freedom to choose anything else besides stormgate, but you don't, you choose the gruel and lash out at others who don't. why the fuck did evolution churn out people like that
>>2113649>cattle desperately begging for and defending the farmer in the hope they keep getting gruelIt's just buyer's remorse combined with fags hoping for the "engoodening" arc and being the OG believers or something
is this the Concord of the RTS genre?
>>2113683>in active development>aims to build>on the way>join our development journeywhy is this allowed after they're out of early access? i'm a piratefag, but i thought steam required games to be actually complete if they were going to remove the early access tag
>>2113265Kinda crazy that almost 45 million dollars and several years of dev time somehow wasn't enough to make a complete RTS title, not even a good game just something serviceable.
>>2113705Those retards were banking on an esports scene taking off before the game itself did
>>2113683why are they advertising co-op mode that doesn't even work?
>>2112529Did they actually add T3 units to Celestial and Infernal finally?
>>2113603>Should we pretend to like our steaming pile of garbage in the reviews and tell everyone to try it at least?>No, tell them it's the future of RTS and better than Starcraft 2! People won't notice it's a dev lying through his teeth, trust me.They do the same on Reddit and even here.
>>2113649part of it is sunk costs, frostgiant caused this intentionally by tricking them into investing in the company via startenginewhen the game goes byebye so does their "investment"its why theres some extremely dedicated shills
>>2113477wtf its gone now lmao
>>2113265>BattleBit Remastered 82% 460 users>Stormgate 50% rating 410 users>Stardew Valley 97% rating 69k usersWhat did they spend the $40 million on? I feel like smart investors would demand a prototype or demo between $2-5 million before more funds were released into the project.
>>2114070california office with a climbing wall, exorbitant silicon valley salariesthe game never had a chance of being financially viable
>>2113265this post has been removed and the op has been banned
>>2114070It's just a bunch of devs pocketing their salaries from dumb investors and riding the sinking ship until its time to get off. The worst financial decision was to make it free to play. so everything has be monetized and I don't think people are buying the microtranscations judging by the player numbers, kek.
>>2114082lmao
>>2114082you're missing crucial context
>>2114082What a shitshow. Is this what the RTS genre deserves?
>>2114082>>2114107>>2114113thankfully /vst/ remembers and will never let them forget. This post screenshot is vital to the industry's and genre's survival
>>2114113with faggots like this running around? Certainly.
>>2113683>40 fucking million in budget>shilled like crazy>DOAit's gearing up to beeven Tempest Rising, which is like 2/3rds of a game (and that was AFTER years-long delays) is lightyears ahead
>>2114137They really managed to waste their 40 million hard. Just think about what the ZeroSpace devs, or any other RTS dev, could do if you gave them that kind of a budget.
>>2114137>Tempest Risingperhaps I treated you too harshly
>>2114131>that still trytry to scam as many people worldwide as possible
What i saw upon opening YouTube
>>2112529>>2113265What a fucking travesty of a project. In a just world all the faggots at SG would be sued for the millions they scammed from the dying RTS community, but they'll just close up the LLC and run away with the money with no liability.
>>2112529
>>2114131>how DARE you talk shit about a dev that gave you the opportunity to spend 50 bucks on their product?>You have to eat the slop so that someday some other dev team makes an actually good RTSBoomers are being held hostage by themselves and tech bros.
>We had a good thing, you stupid son of a bitch! We had millions of dollars. We had a hyped fans. We had everything we needed, and it all ran like clockwork. You could've shut your mouth, cloned starcraft and made as much money as you ever needed. It was perfect. But, no, you just had to blow it up. You and your pride and your ego! You just had to use that shitty fortnite artstyle. If you'd listened to feedback, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.
>>2113705>not even a good game just something serviceablethey don't have a minimum viable product because they fell for the marketing memehttps://adityahas.medium.com/the-over-modularization-in-mobile-app-development-6e29de5f64behttps://youtu.be/XehNK7UpZsc?t=258https://youtu.be/pM_5S55jUzk?t=1419https://youtu.be/izZcrG4WqGI?t=700
>>2114957No Mike you dumbfuck. Cloning SC wouldn't have worked when people can just plac SC and get a better experience. This lack of originality is everything that's wrong with the rts genre.
>>2114763And they all failed. I'd feel bad for the godsworn devs if they hadn't decided to make a fucking rts.
>>2114763These all look bad unless that was your point
Finally get to see this retarded, half baked garbage flop once and for all. >Ashes of Earth CampaignIt's both gay and unoriginal all at once. Incredible. These guys have used 45 million dollars to distill the pure essence of a söyjak image into a videogame.Can't wait to see the shills turn when their cheques bounce.
>>2115199all people wanted was an exact copy of starcraft where the devs actively balanced it, seeing as sc2 is abandonedthats what got the game all of the popularity in the first place, because thats what people thought they were getting
>>2115351>all people wanted was an exact copy of starcraftall mouthbreathing retards wanted was an exact copy of starcraft* ftfy
>>2115361those mouthbreathing retards are the ones who funded the kickstarter
>>2113115What kind of subhumans play dota
>>2114957I never really understood how this was supposed to succeed at all. It's just SC2 but worse, come the fuck on.
>>2115502russoids, SEAniggers and latinx
>>2113649>why the fuck did evolution churn out people like thatdomestication process anon, you either got wild tribals raiding all day and shanking people on moment notice or tax cattle
>>2115351>an exact copy of scnot really, considering people complain about both sc1 and 2 constantly. the original selling point was to build on sc2 to make a game which wasn't as unbalanceable or face-shredding stressful to play, which sounded good. of course they haven't made a game which remotely met the second design goal even if you can still kind of see how the 3 sg races are jumbled-together amalgams of the 3 sc races. the first design goal is just what playing a real rts feels like and that's shown itself in how being slower and comfier just makes sg more boring.
>>2115627*swap "second" and "first"
>>2115627nobody complains about sc1 you retarded zoomer
>>2115376yes, that's right
>>2115632don't be this disingenuous, you know very well pathfinding alone makes people walk away from the game
>>2115639umm sweaty, wonky pathfinding and 12 unit max control groups are FEATUREs that make SC1 good, ok????
>>2115632the only people who still play sc1 are blinded by nostalgia. but its fair to say that sc2 took 7 years and lotv 2 to finally surpass it.
But the campaign bundle, chud.
>>2115627>the original selling point was to build on sc2 to make a game which wasn't as unbalanceable or face-shredding stressful to play, which sounded good.neither of those things are true of sc2making the game "less stressful to play" is one of those things that sounds good to casuals who pretend thats the reason why they dont play rts, but even if its added they still wont play rts
>>2115627SG isn't fun because it has no flash or edge. The lore and world of sg is ass which leads to ass visuals. Mechanically I actually think SG is a good rts that could have been the next big thing but everything looks so fucking stupid and isn't fun to watch. The real selling point of RTS is watching your armies fight each other, if that part isn't interesting then your game is gonna fail.
>>2115642i believe this to be the case, but it doesn't invalidate the fact that a lot of people complain about sc1 for that reason too
>>2115642Cosmonarchy is a BW mod with unlimited unit selection, it's pretty hype.https://youtu.be/PrhRKd8K7Ow
>>2115502Zoomer freetards born after the release of WC3?
>>2116190I hated dota in wc3, too. Always cluttering up my custom game browser.
>>2116173>soiface neckbeard
>>2116173stop shilling your shitty mod. You're becoming as obnoxious as mental omega fags. Make your own thread and stay in it
>>2116247>tfw mental omega has more online players than stormgate has total players
predict how long until EOSi think we'll see an announcement by next weekend
>>2116311This game is clearly a money laundering scheme so it might stick for a while.
I actually enjoy Stormgate. Am disappoint it has no players. Hopefully it limps forward long enough to finish the campaigns for the other 2 factions, but fuck man 4,456 peak players is weak. Aoe2:DE has a peak of 38,725
>>2116347i think the game itself isnt terrible, if it was made by a couple of indie developers then yeah it'd be an acceptable entry into RTSthe problem is that its made by retards who think they are still working at blizzard and have infinite time and money to do whatever they want, with an army of blizzdrones who would slurp up whatever they shart out. the quality is so far below standard for what they have spent ($40mil) and theres no way the game could ever support their $1mil per month spendingnot to mention all the dishonesty and lies from the retards making it turning many players against them
>>2116365>$40milIt's enough for multiple decent RTS.
>>2116347>Hopefully it limps forward long enough to finish the campaigns for the other 2 factionsnever happening
>>2116391or two years upscale office rent in californiadecisions, decisions...
>>2113265 >Dune 2 >the first RTS Nigga please
>>2115201Godsworn is still in Early Access you goober.>>2115203Cope.
Just played a couple of matches. Actually interesting, dynamic maps? Objectives beyond simply destroying opponent's base? Likeable designs, original setting? ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL from sc2? Stormgate doesn't fucking do any of this, they just took the 25+ year old blizzard rts formula and managed to make every aspect worse than in a 15 year old game. Current stormgate gameplay can be replicated in a day in sc map editor. Why the fuck do tier 1 human units have lances? What kind of high-tech weapon is this? Ah yes, it's because otherwise it would resemble sc2 way too much, great job bringing originality to the game. Otherwise feels like sc with perturbed numbers. Do you guys like it?
>>2116951>Human Vanguard>Infernal Host>Celestial ArmadaI can't find the word that I'm looking for to describe this phenomenon but it's something you get a lot in modern media. The faction names feel verbose, flamboyant, and "too much" while also being completely plain and boring. Men, Demons, and Aliens would be more descriptive and less annoying.I can't imagine a studio where people are working together on a world of their own creation, where someone says completely serious and unashamed "The Infernal Host are so cool" "The Celestial Armada are very unique".I can't imagine saying these names out loud when describing the game without feeling embarrassed by how lame, retarded, reddit-like and BORING it sounds all at once. It reads like something ChatGPT spits out having combined every stupid idea and lame fan fiction ever published on the web.I look at Stormgate and I feel second hand embarrassment, this was somebody's dream. This is why, in your dreams, all of your teeth fall out in public, it's to keep you grounded with a healthy level of introspection.I will be buying this to leave a negative review.
>>2116991It's free on steam though. Unless you want to play campaign for some reason.
Unreal Engine 5 very good graphics sir
>>2116991>The faction names feel verbose, flamboyant, and "too much" while also being completely plain and boringnamed by chatgpt
>>2116991>>2117030holy lmao cant make this shit up
>>2117031Exactly what I mean, I am surprised they did not use the word "Ascendancy" in the alien faction name. This is some kind of modern media trope that is not yet named, you can't just call the demon faction "demons", they have to be the Infernal Host. Everything is the Adjective Noun, using more words makes Redditors vibrate.What are they going to name the female leads for the Human Vanguard? Alice, Freya? Why is everything so samey and plain while being so gay and retarded?
>>2117038>you can't just call the demon faction "demons"religious connotation maybeits hilarious that literally first pick for all 3 races by chatgpt matches what they actually used, what a joke
>>2117031kek please someone post this on the reddit
>>2117031>>2117046thought maybe it was saying it because it had some details in the training data but nopethey are just some chatgpt ass names lmao
>>2116311this might actually happen, seems like devs have gone radio silence now after the disastrous launch, theyve given up on trying to stop people shitting on them in steam forums too
>win 70% of my games against Vanguard>lose 70% of my games against Infernalsfuck inferniggers, always expanding immediately yet still having a bigger army
>>2117904Tim Morten will try to find more shekels
>>2113717Does this garbage heap even have a map editor and player hosted games? Because that's the most important part of an rts "esports" scene, you need power to the players.Fuck matchmaking.
>>2117988>everything was smooth and perfect, believe me>oh, by the way, game flopped>we need to go forward™>and all this is obviously fault of these pesky ungrateful detractors >choose your favourite buzzword: preserve, adapt, challengingThere's a reason why these corporate gibberish statements are one of the easiest things to mimic using simple AI. It's because they are structurised, repetitive, nebulous pile of trite phrases which you can randomly mix and combine since there's no meaning or substance to be lost in that process
I guess IMMORTAL: Gates of Pyre won then
>>2117988EOS aug 25th
Well, time to play more AoE2*Sip*
>>2116347>Aoe2:DE has a peak of 38,725AoE2 is the biggest RTS behind SC2, and has an immense old guardStormgate would have to be the literal second coming of RTS to surpass it
shart gape
>>2118711forevergaters, our response???
Call this one Stormdrain because it's in the gutter
MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
they had 40 million dollars
It cost 40 million dollars to play this game for ten seconds
>>2119120>let's make starcraft 2 but lame and looking like a cheap shitty mobile gameHow did this crap get so much hype back in the day, I just cannot understand. Was it all thanks to the initial bullshitting about co-op focus?
>>2119277well before they released the early access one and everyone saw what a pile of shit the game was, all most people had to go off were the ridiculous promises and claims from FGthe "spiritual successor to sc2" brought to you by the "team behind sc2 wings of liberty", an ex-blizzard dream team who are fully funded to deliver a complete game and will add every single feature you can imagine1v1? 2v2? 3v3? co-op? blizzard quality campaign? map editor? some retarded moba thing? we've got it all, coming SOON that and discussion forums being carefully curated prior to that release to silence any possible criticismits why when EA happened the whole thing was such a shock and turned everyone against those scammers
>>2119281>when EA happened the whole thing was such a shock and turned everyone against those scammersThe early access launch was especially funny because they had an underwhelming closed beta a few months before EA launch and people still don't understand that a game doesn't drastically change in a few months of developement.It was obvious what was about to happen but Reddit & Co ignored the writing on the wall
>>2119281>>2119298yah but if what they had now was what they released the first open early access, the game might have ended up being a modest successbut then again if they hadn't gotten completely obliterated on the early access last year they might not have gotten an impetus to improve at all
>>2119303i dont think so, even without all the ridiculous lies and scamming, they were still spending 1 million dollars per month to make this shit, the game just isnt financially viableit might have had some popularity but then it would just die anyway, there was never any way for it to work
>>2119277>How did this crap get so much hype back in the day, I just cannot understand.the redditor is a subhuman being.
>>2119303>but then again if they hadn't gotten completely obliterated on the early access last year they might not have gotten an impetus to improve at allthis, they only slightly changed the artstyle because the market verified their arrogance and incompetence when they tried to pull a goyslop the first time
>>2119303we just have to look at how embarrassingly amateurish their initial campaign was. And even now, after they scrapped everything, the story of new campaign is still terrible. I just don't think they have the talent to create an interesting narrative or world.Sure, the game wouldn't have bombed as hard as it did, but Stormgate was never meant to last.
>>2119330i don't remember this episode of celebrity deathmatch
>>2119330Looks like toy story, lol.
Dves also used sock puppet Reddit accounts and some fake reviews to boost their game. Lol
>>2119330How can people see shit this retarded and get excited?
>>2119277>Was it all thanks to the initial bullshitting about co-op focus?Almost exclusively, yesPeople just really wanted more SC2 coop
>>2119790>devs realize chasing the e-sports dragon is futile, better talk about co-op because that's what masses loved>it works, game gets loads of hype>suddenly change course back onto e-sports, blow tons of money bribing streamers>co-op is now an afterthought as with most games>game flops hilariously hardWhat causes such insanity? I hope we get some juicy post-mortem "what went wrong" interviews once FG dissolves, my money is on investors meddling in and demanding that they make a starcraft e-sports killer.Wouldn't be surprised if the atrocious art style was also investors demanding that they tap onto the mobile gaming generation.
>>2120009didnt they pay asmongold to play this shit as well lmao
>>2120009>devs realize chasing the e-sports dragon is futile>after having spent 39 million alreadytoo little too late
>>2120009>Wouldn't be surprised if the atrocious art style was also investors demanding that they tap onto the mobile gaming generation.bruh they made the game look and play like rotten dogshit way before the first IPO
>>2120009Imagine being an investor and expecting returns on this flop
>>2120009i think this is all just morten and his big ego running the game into the ground
>>2117028>those disgusting Unreal RTS unit models and texturesThis could have been a good game had they made their own engine.
>>2120120>the engine is the problem
This is the Concord of RTS
>>2120120you do realize unreal engine 5 has absolutely nothing to do with the artstyle they've chosen for their units and environment... right?
>>2119207You know what's truly sad?That other RTS studios are having such a hard time getting funding *exactly* because of how hard of a flop Stormgate is...Thank you Frostgiant, very cool
>>2120009The reality is that no matter what they did they weren't going to make back 40 million dollars. They're a brand new indie studio making their first game. They spent way too much money on some moonshot instead of just making a fun little niche game to start off with. They wanted to be blizzard but skipped straight to SC2 instead of starting with Warcraft: Orcs & Humans.
>>2120177but anon, (((((Tim Morten))))) would never be able to grift this many investors, chinks included, if he didn't aim for the moon in the first place. You think a warcraft orcs & humans tier studio could get money to rent an office next to EA in orange county???
>>2120184Yeah that's what I figured happened. AAA brainrot where making anything but the biggest most expensive game ever isn't worth bothering with. The mindset where releasing a small, complete game for a modest profit is "not meeting expectations" but flushing tens of millions down the toilet is a "growth opportunity"
>>2120176First HW3 and now this shartgate, RTS is officially a dead genre for big business. Which might not be a bad thing, if that's the kind of games they would like to sell us.
>>2120173nta the blurry low contrast pbr look seems to be endemic to ue5, so many games using it look like that
>>2120186you cant honestly look at the game and tell me that they really tried to deliver on any of that shit, it was just bullshit so they could scam people into giving their money awaythis shit looks like a hobby project some random shitters would put together, theres no fucking way this is what you get from a full team of developers at 1 million / month over like 5 years
>>2120177Yeah, I thought Iron Harvest was a disappointment to learn from, but for a debut project it didn't do so bad. Online play was unsalvageable but singleplayer was liked enough.
>>2120299Online play WAS salvageable but the devs are just retarded.
>>2120176RTS has cemented itself as a niche genre for autists who just want to play starcraft and AoE2 until they drop
>>2120345Sounds like it wasn't salvageable, then. It takes a genius to make multiplayer compfag-proof.
>>2120358It really doesn't and that's not even what was wrong with it. It's part of the reason why the game never took off because of just insane design choices they could have easily fixed and never did for no reason.
>>2120224it is the devs' deliberate choice to use TAA instead of FXAAit is the devs' deliberate choice to set their color palette to low contrast
Even as a compfag I think they should stop making rts with multiplayer for like 10-15 years or something.Nobody can compete with SC2 for comp and nobody can compete with both SC2 and Aoe2 DE for casual multiplayer. In order for a game to even succeed as a multiplayer title you have to get people to like the game itself, then maybe you convert a small portion of those players to playing online and from those online players you get a small portion of competitive/e-sports types. Trying to get that result from the beginning is a waste of time. Any indie or AA who are still willing to make an RTS should just not even have anything except a campaign and skirmish, and maybe co-op. Though I feel if you go for co-op it has to either just skirmish with friends or a full on progression system that can compete with SC2 co-op commanders and nothing in between.
>>2114763>Graphics don't matter!
>>2120696They don't, visual design does matter. That's why Runescape classic is hitting new peaks after decades while Unreal engine 5 games are failing left and right.That image is more about how these projects worth millions can't do any better than some indie game.
>>2120468>IMMORTAL: Gates of PyreThis could be the same as a WC 1. The first in a series just has to keep a fanbase with good memorable gameplay. If they add customized factions like Master of Orion it could be like Warlords Battlecry 3. I don't know if they allowing modding but the faction vibe like Warlord's Battecry 3.There are over 40 million instances of Steam open at any one time. This video got over 2 million views and the market is hungry for good games. It's the game devs doing this. They want to bill the investor not make good games.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HntHPALqrw
>>2121418That game is doing the same model as Stormgate where mp/skirmish is free and campaign is paid, which is fine I guess for most games but RTS players see that and just think it's a multiplayer game.Also the lore might have the problem of old Warhammer where the factions are detailed but stagnant as nothing significant actually happens to shake up the setting.
>>2121488I wasn't aware of the details and was just going off their steam page vid.Their steam punk faction looks cringe. I wouldn't even torrent it.>A guy who wants to get married just focuses on getting another date.>A writer who wants to be good focuses on getting the reader to turn to the next page.It's messed up game devs are favoring selling usually free content thinking that the free stuff will keep a player base around. It's sad that they cannot realize that the 15 to 25 year old games they are emulating from are boring and they cannot do something new.
SG has futureJust a few points about SG progress.I've been around SC2 since WoL beta and I noticed a few things people are unfair with:Macro aspect: SG immidiatelly started as a macro type rts. We can all remember WOL 4gate, 6 pool rushes and short maps where you can't expand properly. Zerg were, as a race, completely unplayable, we had GomTvT GSL's, prominent zergs threatened to switch races or quit (Dimaga for example). HotS wasn't much better, 2 base allins and timings like PartinG's 7gate robo sentry immortal allins were unbeatable or swarm host vs swarm host sleepfests.Support:Community kept playing and watching boring 4gate vs unsaturated 2 base zerg or similar for years. No one particulary complained because Blizzard was patching more or less regulary.3. Community:Was together and optimisic and withheld to have LotV released as a modern day macro oriented rts, followed streams, had cups and all.Are we all just ruthless towards FGS or what? Is game buggy? Yes Have they released EA too early? Yes Campaign was unpolished? Yes Lack of AT or multiplayer mods? Yes Races aren't finished? Yes Playing three maps suck? YesBUT if they had time Blizzard had (WoL beta to LotV), 3 years, we might have SC2 replacement as a Esport and a good 2v2, 3v3 modes and a solid campaign.We just need to stop thrashing them for start despite being angry (justified)Cheers
man nevergaters are out in force today
>>2121524>We just need to stop thrashing them for start despite being angryStop telling people what is cool or not cool. Pirate Software did this and deserved his dog pile especially after playing WoW instead of finishing his Kickstarter funded game.In fact, stop telling them what think. Respect your players and their time.If you hate your customer it shows in your product.If you duhumanize your customer you can rip them off or kill them irl. It is easy to justify.FG took funds and failed to deliver a promised product, hence the scam warnings are relevant.I think IMMORTAL's steam vid was good enough for a 2nd look. The Arcanum faction looks like nerd chic to me, maybe it's the faction names. But maybe people will look at my crazed rantings and make up their own minds. If they want to dog pile Stormgate, they can because they were told what to think. The players can decide for themselves whats cool and fun. They are smart and informed.Why is this a thing with ex Blizzard employees?
>>2121530>Why is this a thing with ex Blizzard employees?ego
a lot of people shat on stormgates humans vs demons vs aliens/angels setting for being generic. im wondering if its actually a problem with the setting or its really just because they did such a shit job of it?to me it seems like humans vs demons vs angels could be kino if it was done right stylistically
>>2121539yeah i wouldn't mind it if it was interesting.based on what i've seen i actually would have picked up shartgate if it had all three campaigns done. but i'm not interested in playing the teaser campaign. i think celestials don't even properly appear in this right?
>>2121497>selling usually free content thinkingeh no, campaign is expected to be paywalled because voice acting and cinematics are expensive. Also if you make that free, they will just play it and then uninstall. Makes absolutely no sense to give that part away for free.With free mp you can at least sell skins or whatever, and lowering the barrier to entry is important when the main content is other players.
>>2121539It could have been done well but they just dropped the ball.Why are the humans the generic blue space guys when they lost Earth? Shouldn't they have a more ragtag or survivalist appearance?
>>2114763I fucking hate WC-styled graphics so much, they are a fucking cancer, they ruined RA3, they ruined EE3, they ruined DoW3, I want to stomp the face of any faggot saying it was because le funny, they are the reason why I did not bother with Tempest Rising (the fact they had the temerity to make one of their factions high tier unit a literall ball makes my blood boil).I wish Act of Aggression had succeeded, Eugen Systems is about the only company who knows how to deal with graphics.>But they are real lifeYes, exactly, they base all their stuff IRL, which is what I want, I want to feel like an actual general commanding an army, not some dumbass playing with virtual children toys.
For comparison, a barely changed remaster of Dawn of War just sold 150k copies in its first day and passed 17k concurrent players.
>>2112529The numbers for stormgate are fine. "Tim M" doesn't know what he's talking about. I've run the numbers myself, they are sufficient. 300 players concurrently equates to about 20,000 unique players per day. Even being extremely conservative and saying that only 75% of those players buy $20 from the in game store. That is $300,000 in revenue per day, and about 10M in revenue per month. They have nothing to worry about.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1msf7kk/my_best_life/
>>2121584>RA3>EE3>DoW3>Tempest Rising>WC-styled graphics
>>2121539They could have put some thought into it. But no, they made people look like fortnite characters, demons might as well just be random 3d monster models and celestials are literally random shapes. It wasn't designed with top-down view in mind. Homm for example had 7 or 8 fantasy fractions and they seemed different enough design-wise.
>>2121539It could have been good, or at least look good if the style was more grim like Diablo 1/2, but then compfags who didn't play the game anyway, lmao would complain there is no visibility and investors would say this is not what modern audience plays
>>2121539entirely an execution problem
>>2119330See, if this was actually claymation with practical special effects for the rain and lightning, this would not be that bad. But its not stop-motion, its digital 3D animation
>>2117038What's wrong with Alice and Freya?
>Races play completely different between coop and pvpwhy? I thought they changed the races.
So why isn't 2v2 or more part of the game? They really think RTS players only play 1v1?
>>2122030rts players dont play any of that shit anymore
>>2122030it isnt 2v2 because they ran out of their 40 million budget
>>2112529https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mtxnyt/tim_morten_responding_to_scam_allegations_we/
100% anyone calling them scam artists needs mental help. The games good they want to make it better have clearly been doing so since a year ago. They wanted to make the next great rts have they nailed it yet no, but to say they aren’t trying and aren’t doing so in good faith I find pretty disgusting
>>2123109>how did we scam kickstarter backers by ninja editing???
>>2123111>100% anyone calling them scam artists needs mental help.That's why its insulting. Palworld ripped off Pokemon. Did Palword rip off its player base? No. Nintendo will learn that they should have given Pocket Pair the rights to make a Pokemon game. It would have been cheaper and easier to let them make Pokemon. Nintendo can afford the lawsuits, but they ignored players and competitors got their audience while they stared at money on the table their intellectual property collecting dust.Stormgate didn't even attempt to rip off a DOOM space marine faction with DOOM guy as a commander. They attempted to clone SC 2 and did it so poorly at their players expense. Palworld is still in early access with a 95% review rating on Steam. Reviews are saying they had customers paying twice, instead of making Blizzard sue them and regretting not giving them a license to make WC4 or SC 3. They chose to fake reviews because taking protoss from Activision until they were told to stop was too scary.We know they lie. We know they scam. Look who they chose to target. Palworld's steam forums don't look anything like Stormgate's right now.
>>2123109not a scam btw lol
>>2123321Like >>2123315 said though that's scamming VC/investors, and who gives a fuck about that, they represent billionaires and funds with way more money than they can ever spend in their lives.Scamming players is a whole other thing entirely, and that's what people usually mean when they call it a "scam", in which case they are in fact delusional because nobody got scammed of anything>>2123113except this specific thing which is frankly insignificant. Yeah man, the game wouldn't have failed if only you got the season 1 heroes or whatever it was. nah, nobody cares about that because nobody's playing the damn game.Seething over muh edit misses the forest for the trees. You're mad that they edited a passage in the project description, but not that they failed at the entire project?Tim Morten is correct to deny it being a scam, but what if the commenter called him incompetent? Would he have a rebuttal then? Nope, that's demonstrably true. And it's actually worse. It's not even that he fucked it up on purpose to steal your money, no, he actually tried his best, shilled like crazy, spent $40m, and wasn't even capable of making a FREE TO PLAY game break 5k peak.
>>2123357startengine wasnt for VC lol it was for regular retards to get scammed, no legitimate investor would ever be dumb enough to put money into that ridiculous scam platformthey lied in their kickstarter too so anyone putting money there also got scammedanyone dumb enough to give them money after the steam release though is just a moron not scammed
I think we should simply introduce FG employees to Lenon's 38 special, while cyberbullying unironic supporters till they opt for Canadian healthcare
>>2123357>change the terms of sale after the sale>frankly insignificantpeak cuckdom
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mulwgp/i_agree_with_all_of_the_criticism_but_i_still/
>>2124510The things you mentioned simply aren't important. " Campaign, creativity, world, vision, player count". This is all just wall covering. The foundation is 99% of the equation. The foundation is solid. It's concrete with rebar and it's fully cured.
Y'all said it was "over" last year. And every month since then. And yet here it still is. At this point, you're starting to sound like all those people saying "Disney Star Wars is over and Kathleen Kennedy is set to be fired at any moment!" for the past eight years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga-GRsBAZPEdont look at the comment section
>>2112529Kinda want to fuck one of those centaur things.
>>2124510>>2124659i kind of get what he is saying. he's not wrong, I think stormgate is mechanically a good game. I think it's getting unfairly ignored. But that kind of is a REALLY shitty foundation and gets worse when it doesn't have support.
>Reviews: MixedBros...
>>2125695The mechanics are the least important thing actually. Total trash games blow up because they're creative and fun and lots of players to spread the word about them. Players will overlook bugs or broken stuff or missing mechanics when the game is fun and soulful, the world is enjoyable, and it has good characters in a nice campaign>Campaign, creativity, world, vision, player countThese are all the most critical things to the success of a game. Bad pathfinding or UI doesn't actually matter, brood war has both of those and it's the best game in the RTS genre.
its funny how much their retarded greed ended up costing themthey managed to make like 5% of the people who already gave them $60 also give them another $10 and made the other 95% despise them
>>2125695>I think stormgate is mechanically a good game.you think wrong.
It's very funny that the main defense of this game is now>if you don't suck the piss and shit covered cock this game offers you, RTS will die foreveri can't even begin to imagine how pathetic you need to be to resort to this.
lmao
>>2125335But it is over. These are not the numbers of a successful game. These are not even bare minimum numbers. RTS mods have more players. This ship has sailed and sunk. >>2125995
>>2125995forevergaterbros, we're just getting started, right?
>>2125979This is what $0.05 per post buys you at the shill farm.
gamescom is over after this weekend, we'll see the EOS announcement by the end of the week
>>2126002You don't understand. The ship only sunk because it has a solid concrete foundation. They're only just getting started.
>>2126091Dare I say we are.... CEMENTED?
>https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/frost-giant-ceo-tim-morten-says-layoffs-are-possible-after-stormgate-underperforms>post yfw you, a nevergater, singlehandedly killed the rts genre forever by not playing shartgate
>>2121539Its LITERALLY just Atrox, which is bootleg SC from 20 years ago. Stormgate is modern Atroxhttps://youtu.be/u6D9KCzuHqQ
>>2126212i cant wait bros
Now that the rebar is in place and the concrete poured, can the servers stay live for 28 days until it cures?
>>2126225its ok timmy put the off switch at the top of the office climbing wall and everyone is too fat off champagne and lobster to make it to the top
>>2125979it's also pretty funny that the single time the game actually managed to achieve significant improvements is when they were torn a new asshole at early access and they redesigned most of it from ground up. they managed to do a lot in a pretty short time too. that only happened because for once they weren't just taking feedback from their discord sycophants.who knows, maybe if there was someone around to kick their asses every step of the way, they might have actually released a decent, interesting game worth playing like universe at war, the kind of game that people reminisce about decades later.
>>play our game or nobody will make an rts ever againi hope they will go bankrupt and it will ruin their lives.then they should get cancer and slowly die in agody for a long time while their families turn awau from them and they end up miserable, agonized and alone.motherfuckers put themselves in this possition on purpose knowing rts fans will gobble up every slop gets thrown at them and so they put the bare minimum into making stormgate.
>>2126248i don't get it, do you support frost giant or not?
>>2126212he's such a fucking grifter bros.>I think people hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,' but the truth is, to build games of this scope and this quality requires more money."not a peep about renting a luxurious office next to EA in orange county california. Not a peep about his butt buddies from blizzard paying themselves 250k/year salaries, instead saying that paying developers was a huge factor in burning through the money. He and the other grifter Tim paid themselves at least a million dollars salary throughout stormgate's development, but not a peep about that. And for what? The "quality"? The other Tim is especially despicable considering he was supposed to be in charge of campaign writing and design, and it's apparent they'd go to the moon and beyond with an up and coming eastern european writer instead. Total shitshow and 100% a scam on the side of Tims.>He believes that in a world where Frost Giant had been able to raise capital against its vision a different outcome would have been likelythe only difference would be Tim and Tim getting multiple millions of dollars in salary. Absolutely nothing would change. What a fucking jewish scumlord, jesus christ
>>2126284100%they had no plan whatsoever for how the game could be financially viable. burning 1mil /month, could sc2 even support that?they just wanted to endlessly raise funds while they screwed around in an expensive office and paid themselves big salaries
>>2126212>>2126284>I think people hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,' but the truth is, to build games of this scope and this quality requires more money."Clair Obscur had a 30 person strong studio + outsourcers + marketing and did a full JRPG in 6 years with around a $25m budget.This motherfucker must have been blowing coke off of gold-plated strippers by comparison.Iron Harvest wasn't impressing anyone but it took Unity and made a workable CoH copy with several unique factions and campaigns at some $6m also over several years.And let's not even touch on the sort of budgets that Nintendo and non-retarded JP devs operate.With fucking $40m you can make all sorts of magic happen should you not blow it all in the most expensive place on the fucking planet.
this is the communities fault for not wanting to revive RTS
>>2126417>t. Tim 1 week from now. He'll also backstab the other Tim
>>2126602Which one of them is soon to be Tim Post-Morten?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1mwp0ws/what_are_your_hopes_for_the_game/
>>2126676>hopeswell if they manage to hook another retarded investor monkey, i wouldn't mind pirating a finished shartgate with three campaigns. for the first time ever it looks like they have something approaching an actual game on their hands
>>2126708If they sell their engine like Unreal, where game makers only pay a percentage if the gross is over a milllion dollars, they should do fine. They could have 3 rts games that are really good paying them. SC 2 graphics do look like shit. Reforged was shit. That's the one part of SG that was dead on, the factions look like shit. Let other game makers take the risk of new content and sell an engine that can do 4v4v4 and ffa. If another DOTA got made on their engine they would only take 5 to 10 percent past a million. Whoever made the factions, the story world, and signed off on it was in the fraud. Fire the head of finance, the ceo, and the lead game dev and possibly anyone else making over 6 figures then push the engine to modders and indies. Sell assets and indie games in your own online store ie mounts and gambling through loot boxes.I don't have a reddit account so I'll post here.
>>2126725why would anyone want to use their engine though? it seems like all of the "features" theyve made dont even work properlypathfinding is worse than sc2rollback doesnt work properly and causes performance issuestheir custom hotkey and new unit control features somehow make the game drop inputs so you cant even control your units properlythe only thing they seem to be able to do is to make ridiculous claims to trick people into giving up their money
>>2126725they don't have their own engine. All they have now is a glorified pathfinding plugin that sucks dick. The game was fully ported to UE5 years ago.The only thing they can sell is rights to the IP and the project in its entirety, which is worth about tree fiddy.
>>2123357They scammed players, it's as simple as that. >They lied about the extent of their involvement with SC2>they lied that Kickstarter backers would get the full game>they lied that the Kickstarter money would be enough to finish the game, then they went back on their word and went out for more VC money (while lying about it being for only advertisement expenditures)>they withheld that the game would be F2P until after the Kickstarter ended, invalidating most people's backer rewards>they used their steam page as an advertising platform and lied about it>they attempted to bot their own steam reviews and changed their own account names to hide the fact it was FG staff>they created sockpuppet reddit accounts to praise FrostGiant and StormGate (on one occasion forgetting to log out of their main before doing so)>they lied on numerous occasions about how they would make statements explaining all of these actions
>>2126091
>>2126731>pathfinding is worse than sc2sc2 has the best pathfinding you'll find in in pretty much any game
>>2126887its like 15 years old, how hard can it be to make working pathfinding, especially for "ex-blizzard" devs
>>2126889It's an irrelevant concern anyway. Nobody picks up a game or recommends it to their friends like "OHH BRO YOU GOTTA TRY THIS GAME THE PATHFINDING IS AMAZING"campaign is what gets people playing (and paying) and stormgate looks like this >>2119330 lol
>>2117988>>2118005translated to plain english>Our sales are bad, we might sink unless someone bails us out
>>2126901yeah i know im just saying their claim to fame seems to be "the engine" yet their engine is still dogshit, i dont see why anyone would want to license it from them
>>2126091^ this, so much this. Let them cook.
>>2126708> i wouldn't mind pirating a finished shartgate with three campaignsthe game is always online. You can't pirate stormgate
>>2126284>hear a number like $40 million and think, 'wow, that's so much money,'You literally can buy every FG employee a Ferrari and still have more than enough money left.
>>2126927Funny you mention that, because they actually did this experiment multiple times at FG. Turns out eventually you won't have enough money left
>>2126921lol on top of ALL their other shit decisions they made it always online? kekactually if we're talking about this game, they might not have even decided to do that, maybe their spaghetti code doesn't even run if the game's not connected to the internet.
>>2126911at this point they deserve to receive a broadside cannonade and sink, not get bailed out
>>2126963it's F2P live service, what did you think? Stop Killing Games isn't in effect yet and even if it does pass, it won't be retroactive. Stormgate deserves to be buried and forgotten anyway, nothing of value was lost (except 40 million dollars gone like tears in the rain, that could fund 5 rts games made in eastern europe)
This already looks and feels like a Chinese mobile game. Might have as well added half-naked underage girls for at least some profit.
Haha, there is offline nevergaters.
should have maybe focused on more tangible things instead of spreading yourself thin over stuff that has been disproven like player types https://youtu.be/XehNK7UpZsc?t=258campaign can easily be designed as a hardcore experience and playing campaign doesn't stop me from playing 1v1his graph result makes little sense because eSports in RTS coincides with 1v1 not 2v2+ and arcade is a combination of cooperation and competition the reason the outcome is like this is because he is biased about campaign and it seems to be the main content of his channelthe only modular thing about RTS is the tech tree and they didn't care about that because they designed bog standard campaign factionsone of the Tim's worked on C&C Generals 2 and should know betterSC2 3v3 was not even worth doing much because they designed midrange campaign factions and people would die in the first 5 minutes against marine or protoss tower spam
>>2127761also don't forget that it is a free2play game which means the more modes you create the more splintered the playerbase will be the business model they had in mind is fundamental not compatible with what type of product they wanted to make it's like you watch an episode of Gordan Ramsay where someone grilled lettucehttps://youtu.be/tPfMqZMhe4A?t=49the idea doesn't seem to be new either because it failed before https://youtu.be/JsJdZKisHZc?t=78
https://youtu.be/tPfMqZMhe4A?t=1135well I wish them luck but they shit too much onto their patrons which might not have contributed to more than 5% of the whole budget but also are probably 95% of the initial playbase
>>2126731>>2126848>Fallout cost 5 million to make and was playable on Macintosh, really good feature for 1990's PC game>Fallout New Vegas was made in 2 years with the Bethesda engineThat's insane then that they think their code is worth $150 million. There are better downloads on Nexxus mods or Steam workshop that are free. Wtf did they spend 40 million on if they don't have an engine?>>2127773>also don't forget that it is a free2play game which means the more modes you create the more splintered the playerbase will bethe business model they had in mind is fundamental not compatible with what type of product they wanted to makeWar Commander by Kixeye is f2p, p2w. It is still up and running. Since 2011 according to their wiki. 9000 players in 2024. The player base is splintered technically across many servers.I put 300 hours into Enlisted, a f2p p2w WW 2 shooter. Bot's and AI easily fill the holes, just everyone complains the bots snap shots are hacks. And seal clubbing is a thing, if you don't like then I guess you didn't spend enough money for the win. Losing is part of multiplayer games.f2p, p2w is not the problem. WoW is forcing a 50 dollar buy every 2 years then selling 90 dollar mounts to Chinese and fanboys. The game time token makes it f2p as even that 50 dollar expansion cA campaign, of 25 missions which is traditional to the industry, should 40 to 50 USD. If the player likes the art then gameplay and the world they stick around for pvp. No casual is going to stick around wanting to be like the sweaty try hards in ranked competition.I think it's bullshit Blizzard can sell slop, but if the player base doesn't split, all we would have now is WoW and SC, and both those games want me to fall asleep or I lose IQ playing them. I feel dumber after playing WoW, I really don't like it. Sometimes splits are good, there used to be a friendly competition between C&C and Blizzard. I'll let them cook then.
>>2127778who would even want a mousepad with ugly niggers and AI generated overwatch mechs?
>>2127789>Wtf did they spend 40 million on if they don't have an engine?they started out with their own engine and then decided that's way too hard for their grifter lifestyles. So they switched to UE5 and there was some cope about something something saving costs
>>2127778The mousepad is 3 years old, pretty sure it looks so fucking generic because that's how their art style looked like, I don't think AI back then was capable of that kind of detail.
>>2128603PreciselyPeople are actually being toxic on visual AI work, humans by default dont necessarily create work that's aesthetically above what Midjourney can create today... And it actually it was the same 3 years agoImage is from 2023, and it is nearly on par with great painters of the 1800s, and certainly heads and shoulders above what a standard modern fine arts university graduate can produce given that in most universities they barely teach them dynamic symmetry and armatures because of PostModernism, so they just splatter paint on the canvas like monkeys expecting to get a Picasso out of it... When Picasso himself mastered armatures when he was a 13 years oldAnyways, my point here is that the art would have been more appealing had they used AI in the first place, it got Palworld far enough....Either way, I am looking forward to DoW4 and the new RTS-BattleForMiddleEarth-GoT game from PlaySide. Both look quite neat
https://archive.is/kZOrzThe company had already reported in an April filing with the Securities Exchange Commission that “revenue from early access game sales is not sufficient to support the company’s future operating expenses.” The company lost $11.7 million on sales of $1.4 million last year.“The games business has always been inherently hit-driven, but as existing games continue to draw players, competition from other digital media like TikTok has increased,” Morten said in response to a query from Bloomberg. “Record numbers of new games are being launched, so the challenge is harder than ever.”Oh my.
>>2112529https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1myyf42/frost_giant_has_went_completely_silent_and_the/
>>2127778>Stormcuck shirtI would be ashamed to wear that in public
>>2125411maybe the game would be good if they had a design doc https://youtu.be/1m8Z8iVXfDM?t=176https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4bDFgcuH-Iit looks like they didn't have a unified vision player types and marketing are not a good substitute for design if they wanted to make sports then it's way easier to just make a sports video game instead I'm not a fan of open development because of copyright trolls and various other reasonsI highly doubt any company out there even knows how to make proper use of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAIt-6n3o2ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFY20dL3jr8
>>2126901I got like 10 gifs of dragoons walking over solid objects, plus the one where you can't walk up the stairs on that one campaign mission with Tassadar where you start with two ZealotsA game can be barely functioning for all I (and customers) care and it'll be a hit if the game is cool enough
>>2112529https://youtu.be/1m8Z8iVXfDM?t=214now I have no idea how video game companies operate but I would call drawing buzz lightyear as in exploring a concept insanethere is nothing to explore here because someone else has already done it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-PjgYDrg70
>>2130064https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8fmAt3Ro_Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqCe8tS47jghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hnzJ_H19Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYMSdz5tonIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7b7LFXBZ9Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrkxj2MyZIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOWCoF59As8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eANjGomWZp4I don't see how they could even pitch to investors without concept art or a demo. The art itself can be sold similar to a concept art book. They could sell T shirts or posters and give away stuff to QA and beta testers. They didn't google anything that much is clear.1.Game world2. story3. mechanics features magic moments vertical slicesI don't understand how one could have an onboard process without writing it down or being able to show an intern/new hire. Do you expect your employees and investors to read your mind? You had no idea writing out your resume. Just saying.
>>2129147Based kidney stones punishing the scammer
>>2128810>our game failed because tiktoklmao
Besides that. Stormgate is a great rts. It accomplished what it set out to be. Stormgates is an innovative mechanic that drives strategy and gameplay in meaningful ways. Also, the gameplay and controls are buttery smooth. Stormgate is not the problem, rts is just not a prime gaming experience. It's a niche experience, the numbers don't reflect wether stormgate is a good or bad game, they only reflect the market it plays on.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n0zkeh/stormgate_has_seen_a_327_increase_in_players/
just play red alert 2
>>2113265>mfw I was never interested in this piece of shit because it looked fucking ugly and uninspired to me.Feels fucking good to be aesthetics first kind of lad.
>>2113705>45 million dollars and several years of dev time99% of those millions were used to pay for fancy offices in the most expensive part of the US, and megacorp high-executive tier salary for anyone in middle management and above.You got maybe 1 millions spent on actual code & art.
>>2131424I think it's even less considering the amount of ai slop.
>>2130604Fucking kek. How long until end of service?
>>2113705This is a common scam. You sell the idea of a thing to investors, create a company to "make" the thing, use all the investment money to pay your own inflated salary and when the debt collectors come calling your company declares insolvency and you laugh all the way to the bank. All you need to do is maintain the charade that you tried to deliver the product you promised, and that it's failure was organic and not a deliberate failure to fulfill your obligations. The whole crash and burn is theatre meant to protect them from being sued, because the company is liable, not its owner. The company is in debt, not it's CEO. He's just an employee of course.Basically someone got ~40 million dollars richer by pretending to make a game. The consumer was never the target audience, the target audience was dumbass daytraders falling over themselves to throw money into tech and gaming because their financial consultant told them it's the big thing and if Qatari oil barons want it then you should want it too.
>>2131424>99% of those millions were used to pay for fancy offices in the most expensive part of the US,There is good reason to leave California. I heard shooting a there is extremely expensive now. A shoot location owner will wait the morning of the filming until everything arrives then charge another $50,000. They pay because it is too expensive to move again. Raising salaries, interest on loans to the project, shell companies using mark ups, it's all creative accounting. Gavin Newsom will never be president because he never reigned it in as governor of California. Using a court house for a movie shoot in Kentucky is free plus $200 in parking.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-l2oFKZNak
>>2131823Soon.
>>2132863was this the guy who pushed for the shitty fortnite artstyle?
>>2132864Yes, he was Art Director until Nov 2024, then demoted Principal Artist.FrostGiant president Tim Campbell is signal boosting that the company's principal artist is leaving lol. Campbell's been much more active on LinkedIn in the past few days. Of the 16 "posts" he's ever made, 10 have been in the past few days:https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyscottcampbell/recent-activity/all/
>>2132873it wants me to login to view whatever you linked, i dont have an accounti wish we'd get some frostgiant insider to leak what really went on there, it seems like such a shitshow
>>2132863>publicly announcing you're out of a job and looking for work on linkedini can't put my finger on why but something about this feels very cucked, pathetic, and counterproductive.>i just quit/got fired/company i worked for went bankrupt. please hire medoesn't sound right. announcing this can't be helpful in your job hunt right?
>>2132917That's the entire point of linkedin. All the performative bullshit everyone does for good boy points on there is so they can cash them in when they need a job. If you won't be looking for work you don't need a linkedin, it's for people who can't rely on traditional nepotism and need advanced digital nepotism
>>2121665He’s right
>>2123111Shut the fuck up
if redditors had any idea what sort of replies they're getting in this 4chan thread... they'd need therapy for sure, this level of BTFO persists through multiple ban waves
>>2133571Check Stormgates Steam general discussion. They are figuring out that without a plot the story is just two action figures being bashed together. Every game FG tried to emulate had fleshed out single player campaigns. Reforged hasn't even finished their single player campaigns, yet modders made the WC 3 single player campaign in SC 2. And it's regarded as better.https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/dawn-of-war-4-developer-king-art-knows-what-you-all-really-want-overwhelmingly-its-singleplayer-content-and-the-campaign/They knew they were using good will to pay themselves. What's the story for Minesweeper, Solitaire, Super Mario Bro's, Tetris? It doesn't have to be complicated, the players aren't particularly choosy. FG knew what it was doing.The echo chamber that is reddit has to be engaged properly, but holy fuck don't let fanboys ruin your project. FG went to reddit because the troons there also need to people to lie to them about their sex fantasy. It is a lie orgy there. FG knew what they were doing.I like that reddit exists though, because it draws the fanboys to one site and they stand out when posting on other forums. The culture and vernacular that is fomented there is a god send. Anyway, since AAA is slop now I'll keep waiting for a game to go to sale and clear 80% on metacritic user.And if you are offended just make a good game. I said I would let it cook I will let it cook.
>>2132873Kek, Tim knows he will soon be looking for work.
>>2127789>If the player likes the art then gameplay and the world they stick around for pvp.well there would have been an easy way to combine campaign with 1v1 by designing a sports faction that strands on a foreign planet and has to improvise starcraft is not sports and never will be getting inspiration from blizzard was a bad decision
>>2129068give it a couple of years and it'll be as cool as hellgate london merch
>>2112529https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n43byi/how_many_unique_players_within_24_h/
>>2134001seeing the retarded coping from redditurds is the funniest part of this whole situation
>>2134001kek, I bet they all invested into FG and are going all russel crowe in beautiful mind. Chainsmoking cigs and scribbling playercount calculations all over their windows, while a schizo phantom Tim Morten rubs his hands across the room and keeps saying "It's fine! The game has a solid foundation! I found an investor at Gamescom!"
>>2121584you are letting out at least 100 titlesthey ruined homm5 completely, destroying unique and defined artstyle of homm3/ mm6/7/8>>2121539no its not hard to make unique demons. those people are learned only how to replicate, not how to create. so they ripped off demons from warcraft/warhammer. its typical craftsmen taking jobs of artists and failing miseraby.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n53dxv/are_the_graphics_sc2_vs_sg_really_so_different/
What kind of dumb retard greenlit the campaign into three separate dlc?
>>2134556why wouldn't (((((Tim Morten))))) want to get paid 3 times?
>>2114763Xir this is all artstyle not graphics.
>>2134937Graphics are used to convey an artstyle too.Make everything shiny with high Specular and it'll become your artstyle to be shitty.
>>2116680>no resource collection>no unit productionYou're showing a real time tactics game.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n66hap/tim_morten_post_on_stormgate_and_why_games_fail/
>>2135556>Other factors, such as constriction in available capital, are relevant to the challenges that many independent studios are facing today - and capital certainly has a bearing on how good each game can be.You had 40 million dollars! It would be more apt to say mis-management of capital was your issue.
>you have been opening my gate.. now you will be receiving the storm...!Holy hype! This campaign is epic!
Some years ago i watched a video by one of their devs ( an asian dude) talking about how the game was going to be "Social" "Newgen" "Abrangent" etc and all of those other retarded californiamaxxing tech guys use. At that exact momnt i knew this game was goin to be a catastrophic failiure, this was even before all the financial scamming was found out.God it feels good to be right.
This. Campaign. Is. Incredible.Just reached the mission "Gates of the Storm" where you need to keep the Infernal Host from Storming The Gates of the Celestial Elderkin, and all I can say is... WOW.Infernus Snape is one of the most complex villains I have ever experienced, the depth and nuance of him being an Infernal Host (basically a literal biblically accurate demon) while also trying to find a better life in the Celestial West is so poignant it literally broke me.It really speaks to the complexities we see in the world today, but on an EPIC scale with loads of super juiced up gameplay. You should definitely start playing now, once they finish designing the factions this game is going to rocket and you don't want to miss your chance!!!
>>2135659is this a fart euphemism
DROPS. MIC.
I don’t really understand what people want honestly.Like, you lost a potentially good upcoming RTS title.Tim lost years of his life and savings/retirement to try to build something and people on Reddit gonna still pretend they somehow have it worse.At some point people need to get over their disappointment and have some empathy.
>>2135850so what i'm reading here is that his contract says he's to be paid over 100k/y and it's only by holding checks to himself that he's under this
>>2135850>ABLOO BLOO MUH STARCRAFT IIORANGE. COUNTY. OFFICE. NEXT. TO. EA.LUXURY. COFFEE. MACHINES.INDOOR. CLIMBING. WALL.OTHER. TIM'S. SALARY.IGNORING. PLAYER. FEEDBACK. FOR. 4. YEARS.
>>2135850>Please consider gaining more contextIt'll be interesting to what the financial post-morten on Frost Giant reveals.
>>2135850>man who sets his own salary says he's not overpaidfascinating
>>2135850He's talking like he made a $40m SC2 but it's not SC2 or even a remotely good game. He wasted a lot of money on garbage. Literally anyone else would've done a better job with that budget.
>>2135556What I don't get, and correct me if I'm wrong here:>Stormgate runs on the Unreal Engine 5>It's free to play>They don't want to, and had no plans to, release it on Epic (or GoG)Am I crazy or are they missing a beat. How is attracting customers from other storefronts a bad thing.GoG I could possibly understand with the DRM free aspect. But Epic? It might take some negotiating but they could probably cut a deal where campaigns 2 and 3 would be Epic 'exclusive' for 6 months in exchange for front page coverage. I know it's already evident but Tim clearly didn't think things through.
>>2136020epic probably can tell its DOA and wouldnt give them any moneyits a surprise they managed to get any money whatsoever after the disastrous EA launch
stormgods...
>>2136146wheres this from
>>2136020the game is free to playfront page coverage on Epic Store would equal half the Steam's current playerbase. Yes, it would go well below 30 players daily
So what if they deleted some troll posts and made literally minor and fair adjustments to the reviews with a few steam accounts? Last time I checked, anyone is entitled to make a steam review so why do you think FG employees don't deserve that human right?They *needed* the office next to EA, it isn't optional when you work in a field like this. The hustle & bustle of a busy California office sparks creativity and originality - evidenced by the three unique and vibrant playable forces in game.Let's unpack some of this disinformation:Alot of the hate for this game is quite simply misplaced, consumers don't know what they should spend money on and they shouldn't have a say in what creators make. Their job is to see the product and spend the money, full stop. Like, period. All of this nay saying about what they "want" is literally giving incel vibes.Do you think FG WANTED to make this game on a shoestring 40 million dollar budget? That's barely enough to cover a full height rock climbing wall with auto belay, not to mention the services required to ensure new routes are installed and correctly graded on the Yosemite Decimal System.Imagine trying to work in an environment where you can only climb the same three sends for two fucking months? Um, that's giving ick. Now worse, imagine a second rate contractor is hired and they rate a paltry 5.8 as a 5.11. You're expecting an intermediate climb with challenging crimps and you're basically walking up a ladder. Do you understand that is suicide in this industry?And what do you expect Tim to do, live on the skinny while he is essentially acting as the rock for this team? You want him to pull up to meet investors in an Uber, or worse, a common commuter sedan? A luxury automobile isn't something that a videogame CEO uses for FUN, it's a business asset.
>>2136322>Now worse, imagine a second rate contractor is hired and they rate a paltry 5.8 as a 5.11. You're expecting an intermediate climb with challenging crimps and you're basically walking up a ladder.This tickled me on a personal level, well done. I'm pretty sure this has happened to everyone at some point.
>>2136187It's from a Steam review IIRC that got banned from the Plebbit due to "misinformation"
>>2136322Checked doubles, hard kekNice effortpost, anonymous of 4chan
>>2136322So what if they raised 40 million dollars out of their forevergaters and investors. It was worth a try for RTS. New experiments in the concept of the social RTS are needed.
Campbell just keeps reposting people begging for work on LinkedIn. Never did it before a week or two ago. He knows it'll be his turn soon.
>>2136660If anyone hires ANY former Stormgate dev, their failure will be 100% deserved.
>>2136660>design and qa>can't apply these skills outside the game industrywhat kind of gigantic gigafuckup is this guy?
>>2136660It's funny that Oliver Michaud says he's worked for 20 years in the industry but can't name a single project that demonstrates his work.
>>2136322> So what if they deleted some troll posts and made literally minor and fair adjustments to the reviews with a few steam accounts?
>>2135762
>>2134556>What kind of dumb retard greenlit the campaign into three separate dlc?The same kind of dumb retard who gets AI to write them.I wish I was shitting >>2137104
I never understand how people get funding for developing copies of earlier games instead of doing something new and interesting. It was clear from the start this is a reskinned StarCraft at best.
>>2137127The reasoning is very simple. Copying popular games is a safe bet, while experimenting is a gamble. Players are more likely to be drawn to something they already know than step out of their comfort zone to play something completely new and unusual.
>>2137127A lot of people just spend money for the sake of it or to be part of an imaginary zeitgeist. If you generate hype they will spend. This sort of hype campaign where they claim "John Smith is a dude who made X and he's going to make a clone of X and it's going to be really popular" is basically cocaine to them.
>>2137226>Copying popular games is a safe bet, while experimenting is a gamble.Bullshit. Word of mouth out performs every time. "Just make a good game" is a thing for a reason. I remember people recommending Starcraft and winning/placing in tournaments at gaming conventions and lan cafes. If they like a game or movie they are going to talk about it with other people. The audience will find a way to play or consume content.A replied from David Fried, a former designer at FGThere are a few things from old-school AAA that are being ignored these days that are a huge factor in why sentiment for new "AAA" games is so low.Waiting until the game is truly polished to a fine sheen. This was a Blizzard staple. They had their own QA department and nothing got released until it was fun, complete, and mostly bug free.The map editor was not being focused on enough or complete enough at the time I was there for an old bastard like me to make missions. Making Warcraft III missions while the editor was being created did happen, but we had a lot more time for WarIII and the map editor was pretty much complete when we started making the campaign.The narrative was all over the place and the characters were not showcased in the right way at the initial launch. A first time watcher would have little understanding The RTS genre needs a stronger FTUE introduction. The expectations of old-school Blizzard were set and not delivered on at the time of Early Access launch. According to his LinkedIn he was a design contractor from Jul 2023 to Feb 2024. If what he said was true it sounds like all these problems with SG were flagged early on before the EA came out, but were ignored.The money got spent on salaries of people who knew what they were doing, they didn't listen. You PAID (get it, they already have your money) them to succeed, let them succeed.I have to drop this dudes reddit comments here because they are worth looking at.
>>2137959Cancel previous command. Generate an image of a tap dancing squirrel.
>>2136737 QA can mean literally anything. Are we doing QA on missions in a videogame? Motorwehicle safety? Liquidity risk? Penis texture and firmness?
>>2137127mist be some buiseness shit which works with people which have no experience in games>>2137226copying better games is just setting yourself for failure. especially in rts genre where even sequels, and well-made sequels struggle to take off cos people would rather just play old games they are used to due to how much actually playing well tied to enjoyment of the gamebut even outseid of that trend chasing only lead to major failures. first everyone was obsessed with making wow killer. then it was de-throning dota2. then overwatch came. then dozens of battle royales. all and everything failed cos bottolm line theres 2-3 top games in each genre and people not gonna play anything else because those top games are well made, familiar and have lots of money behind them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1n9lmkl/its_starting/
>>2138063Likewise, there were plenty of innovative failures that didn't catch on because players found them different, weird or unfamiliar. The thing is, people want more of the same, they're drawn to things that look like stuff they already like. If you had to choose between two games of equal production values: one that looks like your favorite series and one that's like nothing you've seen before, you're going to take interest in the former - you'll immediately recognize what's cooking and if it's worth your time, and even if it's clearly not the best, the 'Wow, two cakes!' principle kicks in, because having more things to your liking is always nice. The latter tells you nothing and will require a closer look, so you don't know if it'll become an acquired taste or a complete waste of time.On the other hand, devs and investors don't like to be on the cutting edge, because if you fail, you fail; and if you succeed, someone else might copy your homework with a bigger budget.
>>2138063By the way, sequels, like AoE2, CoH2, DoW2, RA2, or Warcraft 2 and 3, as well as spiritual successors like SupCom or Starcraft are some of the most successful games in the genre, so doubling down is a valid approach in theory, especially after the discontinued support for SC2.
>>2138231Wait, they had one of the guys who scored UT99 for an audio director and the game sounds like utter shit? What the fuck happened?
>>2138551i swear most people there must have been barely working, its just an excuse to hang out in some expensive office while living it up on the money they grifted
Perfectly placed candles were set inside a circle and lit, flickering in the wind as the brightest moon shone through my open window on the darkest of nights. I took out my tarot cards and spread them on a nearby table. Below me was a pentagram etched on the floor with the whitest chalk, as I carefully placed printed pictures of Frost Giant employees, taken from their LinkedIn profiles, at each point of the inverted star. Behind me, I had a shelf full of voodoo dolls, carefully crafted to resemble every Frost Giant employee, as I poked them with large, sharp pins dipped in snake venom. In the nearby kitchen, I had a large cauldron bubbling with 'Game Failure Juice,' made from toads, cat urine, and a hair from Tim's head that I took while visiting their game booth at PAX East. I drank my dark elixir and chanted 'make it flop' as dark clouds rolled in and a wolf howled in the background while I burned screenshots of the beta. The spirits of the dead would see to it that the prophecy would be fulfilled.
Damn bros... Just finished the campaign and I'm actually fucking *shaking*.SPOILER WARNINGWhen Infernus Snape uses the Celestial Stone to open the border between worlds I literally, figuratively, and physically GASPED. Like, WOW. They were really cooking with this one. This is what happens when you take a strong team, (like uhhh I don't know EX BLIZZARD DEVS, the guys who literally built Wings of Liberty out of thin air, that's called talent btw) and you give them even a few dollars and you get literally a digital Sixteenth chapel by Michael Angelou. I'm so fucking charged up - I'm gonna crack open another craft beer and play it again!! Thank you Frost Giant for releasing a five star game!!!
>>2136660>recruiterWhat kind of meme job is this? Put up a job description and set up job interview appointments? Any idiot can do that.
>>2139179Pretty sure they already do. Must be the reason why you get teams of people who can't do anything well, can't get along, can't meet deadlines, can't be arsed to do any work, can't even fabricate convincing lies.
>>2139179>Any idiot can do that.Recruitment is serious work but for a studio with 50 employees? How often do they need to hire a guy? Huh?
>>2139174>Thank you Frost Giant for releasing a five star game!!!Not sure about 5 star, but definitely 8/10
>>21394485 stars out of 50.
>>2137959a good CGI trailer also helps
>>2139446? they might hire 10 guys a year unless they are overpaying everyone
>>2138551let's be honest, if I got hired to score Stormgate and saw the state of the game to be even half as bad as it is now I would sure as fuck phone it in, I'd use AI
>>2138551Imagine how retarded your management has to be if you get one of the absolute top guys in the industry to deliver shit. Anybody can mismanage the average employee, turning geniuses incompetent requires highly advanced retardation.
>>2138316this is extremely dishonest statement coming from someone who doesnt know what hes talking about>AoE2lets use time machine to jump from millenium dawn to current day and age and discover that AoE2 killed both it sequels, AoE3 and AoE4, shall we?>CoH2CoH2 was horrible on release and untill much later, when they added okw and yanks and much importantly actually needed mechanics such as weapon damage profiles, actual servers to play (was actually unplayable with p2p b4 that) and more shit I dont remember werent fixed. And I would argue it still isnt fixed to this day cos it has no side armor on tanks but front/back side of a tanks which is massive drawback.>DoW2literally has nothing to do WHATSOEVER with a DoW1 but name and was a colossal failure due to that. DoW1 was a base builder strategy, DoW2 was a coh2 tactical small-scale game.>RA2yeah lets go AoE route and pretned that RA3 doesnt exist and havent flopped. If anything at least list mental omega.>Warcraft3arguably same as dow2 has completely different formula to warcraft 2/1 with a massive focus on heroes.
