Why did Microsoft fumble AoM so hard?
>>2114440what do you mean?
>>2114462retold was a huge mess
>>2114440That game really did not need a remaster. Ran perfectly fine and aged well. Only thing it "needed" was more people playing mp again but i dont touch these games for mp.
>>2114440star wars galactic battlegrounds:DE when?
>>2114624>Only thing it "needed" was more people playing mp againchinese needed a rework for sure. idk if i like the one they got, though.
>>2114638Oh right forgot about chinaslop. Never liked it and never touched the dlcs
>>2114560Was fine when I played it
>>2114624>That game really did not need a remasterOk bro
>>2114655it looked fine to me
>>2114656Bro's nose is one pixel
>>2114560Retold is doing fine
>>2114631Never. At this point it would be easier for them to make AoE5 with a futuristic theme.
>>2114655>leftsoul>rightsoullessJust proving the point, assistance on using these uber-detailed and realistic graphics is what sucks all the fun from modern games
>>2114712You are a nostalgic afraid of change Fun isn’t inversely proportional to polygon count
>>2114560Retold is fine, way better than EE anyway. EE ran like shit, china was shit and nu-units for OG factions were shit.
>>2114440>>2114560the remaster did literally everything right, short of sucking your dickyou're being ridiculous, this isnt /v/
>>2114716I am nostalgic, and I welcome change.But the obsession with realistic, detailed graphics is making everything worse, because every game looks like a shitty CW series. The best games in recent years are the ones with actually unique aesthetics, it is literally why Elden Ring is so popular or Hades.
There wasn't much to fumble, the original game was poor because it only had 4 factions. It should've been like AOE2 and added many more functions. No I don't give a fuck about asymmetry or balance, multiplayerniggers can tongue my balls.
>>2114842However, those four each had three major gods to choose from so that's a total of twelve civs, and with all the combinations of minor god choices it comes to an even bigger number.
>Elden ring>unique aestheticsbrother it's just Demon's Souls
Retold is just AoE2, made redundant by the existence of AoE2.
>>2115067god powers and free units on age up make aom revolve completely around timing attacks, unlike aoe2
>>2114560For all its flaws it's doing fine.Sure I miss the lack of blood and corpses staying for much longer, but many things the original game and Extended had were reworked or polished by Retold.Waiting for the Japanese.
>>2115136the mediocre, completely pointless, deprecated aoe2hd from 2013 has more players than retold
>>2115073sounds like it's inferior with weird imbalanced abilities and crutches.
>>2115153that's what I said
how hard is it to mod retold? been thinking about making a small project and might as well
>>2114689>Bro'sZoom zoom>>2114716And you're a retard who doesn't understand basic artistic concepts. Expressionism would probably give you an aneurysm.
>>2114874God pick doesn’t change what the faction is. The entire appeal is the theming and aesthetic, same as with aoe2.
>>2114440I’m mixed on the new graphics, don’t like the reusable god powers, and hate the new voice acting.
>>2115460>10% faster wood gatheringsuch strong theming
>>2114728Voice acting and artwork are worse in the remaster but the rest isn’t too bad >>2114842AoM has four factions, AoE has one faction with a couple minor tweaks here and there to dress up as multiple factions
>>2114655but they also decided to give everyone annoying accents instead of using the original voice acting which was perfect.
>>2115460If major (or minor) gods don't count than AoE2 has 1 faction.
>>2114440They fuck the age series every time 2 gets worse every fucking update
>>2114440>managed to sell the same game 3 times
>>2114656Arkantos has a separate model for cinematics.
>daily challenge for a garbage reward in a dead-on-arrival game mode.Who comes up with this shit?
>>2115999I mean, if the alternative is for it to not be available anywhere for sale, I can live with the endless rerelease cycle
I complained about no AQ in ranked last time but it works fine in quick match. I take the complaint back.
>>2116661They've made weird choices regarding the autoqueue. It has some advantages that were never there before like queueing up research (or even age up) as soon as you have resources, but the way it worked in original game was a repeat queue meaning you could get a mixed comp out of one building. Now you can only do it in even amounts (or whatever gets resources first), admittedly a minor thing but weird they felt the need to change that.And that's assuming military autoqueue is on, which it is by default for the "casual" game modes, but not in ranked. For some reason, despite the fact repeat queue has been the way AoM was played the whole time they decided to try to appeal to compfags coming from AoE2 or other games and both players have to agree for it to be on. There's a checkbox for it I think, but it's off by default.
>>2114938Elden Ring gothic high fantasy overly ornamented look isn't anything like Demon's Souls' simpler and more medieval look
>>2114689So is yours
>>2115481>>2115619>>2115624Fun fact: There is a mod that allows you to change the voice acting. It's all separate files too, for example, I changed only the cyclops's voice back to the original, because his new VA was the most grating.
>>2114440THE FUCKING REMASTER HAS NO OPTION FOR THE ORIGINAL MUSIC I CANT FUCKING LISTEN TO THE REMADE SOUNDTRACK ITS ALL WRONG AND DISCORDANT AND FEELS LIKE FUCKING SANDPAPER IN MY EARS GIVE ME THE ORIGINAL MUSIC RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2118002Pretty sure there is a mod
so now that retold failed can they keep updating AoE3?>but its le bad!its the best game in the series and where they steal ideas for AoE2 and AoE4
>>2119199they axed the support anon. It's over. I lament it too.
>>2116536Nah, the alternative is them not being jewish fucks and letting GoG sell and fix up the minor compatibility issues of the original game.That goes against their business model, though. They are forcing the community to move and eat their shit each time. Having the OG game be available and in working state goes hard against that goal.
>>2119199We'll know for sure if it failed if they drop AOM support after they release the Japanese and they aren't contractually obligated to continue
>>2119199>so now that retold failedIt didnt
>>2114560it aight
>>2119287But all of them are on GoG and play as well as they did before.
>>2123240No they aren't.
>>2119199AoE3 was already ruined by definitive edition.
>>2119199AoE3 failed before Retold released. The only AoE game anyone really wants to play is AoE2.
Kinda wish they just ported all the models and shit from 3 into AoM just for funI want to make/play Not!Rise of Legends mods
>>2114560fear and lies stink strong on this one
Really other than the voices for the campaign (the Norse ones are better than the OG's btw) what would be the issue with Retold? It runs better, god power rework is great, re-balancing myth units to make the shit ones worth something. It's all an improvement
>>2124856Some of the art is also questionable and I don't really like the new chinks either. That one is more of a personal preference I suppose, I think they are okay, I just don't like their playstyle.They changed how autoqueue works to pander to AoE2fags but it's also better in some ways to you win some you lose some.Overall I'd say it's an improvement and especially over EE that ran like shit.
>>2124856Apart from the new voices and art being shit I don’t like the retold balance changes, new units/techs etc. I preferred the original+fan patch balances. It plays like a different game which may have been the point (“Retold”) but I prefer the original
>>2123270alright, i'll bite. What did AoE3 DE "ruin"? Let me guess, you're still whining about the injuns? The message on game start?
>>2124856I agree. I'm getting a bit tired of it after a year of play, guess it's time to retire it for a bit until the DLC drop.
>>2124983I say this as a wokescold, but I feel like the Lakota campaign has less bite to it.In the original version, Chayton was party to his own people’s genocide. In the DE version, he just… Kills a bunch of bandits? And gets sad about it?
>>2118002just mute it and play the ost in the backgroundt. doesn't ever listen to the music from the game he's playing
>>2124856Nothing people are just shitting on it because it's cool now for some reason.
I swear, if we don't get the Aztects I'm going to choke a bitch
today I will remind them
>>2126345Isn't the Gaia one particularly egregious?
>>2126368yes, but at the time we didn't have Gaia's portrait
>>2126384Kek it's so shit
>>2126345>>2126384what kind of Jewishness is to sell the original art in a fucking nostalgia remake anyway?
all of the AOM hate has always come from fishes in their small ponds who can't cut it in AOM's fiercely competitive multiplayer
>>2126368Didn't they turn her into groot?
>>2119199Anon they won't even support AOE2 properly and it's the most popular title. World's Edge all have brain parasites.
>>2124856Yes but have you considered that new thing le bad and old thing le good?
>>2127956>they won't even support AOE2 properly???it's a very well supported game
>>2126384>>2126345it's literally nothing
Should I buy it though? before the sale ends.
>>2129414do you like golden-era RTS? then yes. Looking for a competitive ladder? then yes. Looking for a co-op experience? It's there but I don't think it's good, so no.
>>2129422I see, well I did play it when I was young and loved it then, but truthfully, if I wanted to play the campaign I'd just play the og, you say the multiplayer element is doing well?
>>2129426multiplayer is doing very well.
>>2129333If you have the fucking nerve to charge money for them, it's not "nothing"
>>2126345>A FUCKING FLOWER
Retold development fired their 'artists' and hired new ones 4 months before launch for a reason
>>2130867>hired new onesIf you don’t think the portraits are AI generated then I’ve got an Eiffel Tower to sell ya.
>>2131123the beta ones? yes. The legacy ones? upscaled, yes. but the final batch of original ones are not
30 days wait is too long saars
>>2134781Soon
>>2114655Graphics whore.
>>2129332>RoR>V&V>3KAoe2:de got ruined with dogshit dlc that broke the theming. All they needed to do was release more factions and campaigns in the medieval era, it was a perfect formula, and the cunts at WE and FE abandoned it. Fuck knows why they’re so workshy when they have 100+ employees.
Athenian League games where they have different skill brackets for players to compete has made some absolutely amazing games to watch.Damn good RTS
Campaigns good in this game? I have no interest in online.
>>2140833Basically the main selling point, its campaign is probably the best in the Age series with only the new Chronicles one being a possible contender
>>2140868Sweet, will pick it up then.
Japanese cheevos are upChampion units in the Classical era sounds interesting
>>2141040I hope the nip DLC does well enough to warrant another DLC, this time with something hopefully interesting as the new civ.>inn4 we get korean dlc
>>2141103game is already on life support
>>2141103I know everybody on reddit wants an Aztec DLC but a Mesopotamian one would be far superior and I'd die happy with that
It's easy to come up with new pantheons that could be added to Age of Mythology.It's hard to come up with new methods of favor generation to make them unique.
>>2138350>RoRThe game has had civs themed around late antiquity since day one (Franks, Celts, Huns, Goths), so RoR adding late antiquity Rome to the base game doesn't break anything.Of those DLCs the only really contentious one in terms of theming is 3K (V&V is just pointless since it adds basically nothing) because the 3K civs play like they belong to a different game entirely. It's like they saw the positive reception to Chronicles and assumed for whatever reason that people wanted Chronicles civs in the base game.All they have to do is take 3K out of the base game and move it to Chronicles and the game will be fine.
>>2142211The problem with RoR isn't the Romans civ, it's that it was just another AOE remake sold as AOE2 DLC.V&V was absolute dogwater, it has the lowest reviews by far.
>>2142193the Hindu pantheon would fit in the game great with how many gods there areYou generate favor by allocating streetshitters to the sacred street where they shit and wipe with their hand. You could train units in street food stands where they smear shit into the food to make it holy.You could also have an interesting mechanic where too much favor (shit on the street) would create some sort of a global debuff as the capital is overflowing with human feces
>>2142295>another AOE remake sold as AOE2 DLCWell AoE1DE was pretty underwhelming. At least RoR lets you play AoE1 with some better mechanics, which is what anyone who still cares about 1 would have wanted besides outright remaking it with 2's design. You could argue that it makes DE obsolete, though.>V&VI agree it was really bad, but it didn't do as much damage as 3K.
call me when they fix the dogshit pathfindingi don't care if the 3D assets now have hundreds of polys each, the fact it was advertised as a distinct rework was the perfect opportunity to do what SC II did with Starcraft 1, but they threw their chance into the fucking garbage for no reason
>>2142708There's nothing wrong with the pathing. Stop blaming the game when you suck
>>2142176Aoe3tard seething
>>2142211>Franks>Themed around late antiquity>Huns>Day one
>>2142698>it makes DE obsoleteYes it does, having new techs, QWER, shift-clicking, global tech/train icons, formations, civ music, voiced campaigns, everything is already better than DE by a mile. I do miss the og campaigns though, I bet those take a lot more work to port than they should.
>>2142698I agree 3K was the worst, it’s the dlc that made me give up on the game completely, but RoR and V&V were a sign of the shit that was to come. The dlcs should only ever have been new civs and campaigns, a formula that was perfect from The Forgotten to Dynasties of India. They threw away guaranteed success and the legacy of the most beloved title in the genre because they are greedy, lazy sacks of shit.
>>2143510Let's be honest, the AoE1 campaigns are completely outdated and aren't worth porting
>>2143672are you able to articulate what made 3K so irredeemably catastrophic from a functional perspective beyond the inclusion of heroes in multi?
>>2142785>There's nothing wrong with the pathing.bald faced lies?on 4chan?
>>2143510Yeah, but at least the new campaigns are really good.>>2143672R&R is basically a separate game, so I still don't see what you mean. Do you think it ate away space for potentially more civs?
>>2138350indeed they had the perfect formula laid out for them. Everyone wanted more traditional civs +campaigns. First they fuck it up with v&v by not giving us proper campaigns and recycling free scenarios and then they promise new civs with a chink DLC, everyone was happy until it turned out to be 3k BULLSHIT and no actual campaigns of real civs. I dont even know how it is possible to fuck this up TWICE when theres not a single aoe2 community that asked for fictional civs and heroes and all that bs.
>>2144450Your AI reaction image is worse than the original in ever way.
>>2114440Retold is doing just fine however
>>2114560Whatever you say, you sweaty e-sport boring rush guy.
>>2144516woah!!! The Jeetmaster has expanded into other games!!!! praised be the cow dung, by the juggernaut!!!!
>>2144806Why you are like this, anon?
>>2144499DONT CARE
>>2144516Damn this looks fucking awful. I wish EE still had a multiplayer scene though.
>>2143745The theming was the single biggest draw to AOE2 for me and 3K burned that down and pissed on it. Previous DLCs not only expanded the medieval vibe but gave interesting stories about various ethnicities - often less talked about ones like the Cumans or Georgians. 3K is not medieval, has silly magic powers, is about han civil war factions instead of ethnicities, and is based on the oversaturated chinkslop that is Romance of the Three Kingdoms instead of anything interesting - it sacrificed the genuinely interesting potential of the Tanguts, Tibetans, and Bai along with medieval chinese campaigns featuring them as well as the Khitans, Jurchens, and the Chinese themselves. I don't know what you mean by functional but if you mean gameplayslop instead of all the artistry of the game then I don't care.>>2144049It shows that they went for gimmick shit and abused AOE2's draw power to have it sell instead of sticking exclusively to DLCs that actually fit AOE2. RoR would've been fine as an update to AOE:DE or a standalone title, but attaching it to AOE2 was scummy.>>2144450>communityThis is another worthwhile point. There have been dozens of fan suggestions and designs for additional civs. It's not like FE were short on ideas and HAD to go back to the ancient period.
>>2145484>abused AOE2's draw powerTalk about suffering from success. They may as well add whatever they feel like at this point, like post-medieval stuff or even sci-fi, creating some sort of modular megagame.
>>2145623Watch them add in that Star Wars game at some point
>>2147816Could it happen? On one hand anons say they'd probably not get the license, but then again crossoverslop is a very popular way of handling IPs now. If Fortnite could get it, why not AoE2?Alternatively, they could make a perfect clone of SW:BG with all the copyrighted stuff removed but would players still be into it without SW brand power? Personally, I liked the mechanics so I wouldn't mind.
>>2147872Apparently they asked and couldn't get the license. Think how much Disney have mishandled SW, they don't want to bring back EU material.
Because AoM is hilariously unbalanced in a way that AoE2 isn't, that meant it was a lot harder for people to want to play it competitively.
>>2145484>gameplayslopThis "slop" term has become meaningless
>>2145484>but if you mean gameplayslop instead of all the artistry of the game then I don't care.I'm sorry to tell you this anon but since you just outed yourself as being in the same camp that, by Blizz's own official metrics, played the SC2 campaign once and never touched the game again, you're never healthy for the game long-term.Guess what? AoE3 put a lot of work into making each faction unique and different and people forget this but everyone wanted 3D models back then so the game's use of them was wanted. But none of that mattered long-term because people didn't like the deck system and thought it ruined the game.
>>2147995>I never played it competitively so I just make shit up
but really, how do I make mods for this?
>>2148583is google broken?
>>2148004>you're never healthy for the game long-termCampaign players buy the game just the same as multiplayer fans do. Indeed multiplayer players are only a drain because they require server costs and labour costs for ongoing balancing. So unless multiplayer players are paying a subscription fee (which has never happened) they are worse for long-term health.
>>2148004For me the deck system was ok but the mini treasure explorer bullshit was so fucking annoying.
>>2148750Yeah the decks are alright, but I always thought the explorer hero shit wasn't very interesting
