I know this is really an AoE2 thread, but please be kind to the others Previous: >>2110042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF0S7ChwS6k
>>2123320It's about damn time they ported in sexismWomen literally make less moneyHAHAHA
everyday i hope for handcannoneers to be buffed. everyday i am disappointed.
I sometimes unironically listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=2XjGRBRxZLo&I just think it's neat and uplifting
>>2123386What exactly is the point of using spoiler text on a hyperlink
>>2123390It's specifically to annoy (you)Nothing else
for me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvZTW10rAi0
i prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhHfiAy0bWk
>>2123320Imagine the memes if we had black vills and this happened
>>2123320>>2123326Not gonna lie I would like a civ whose women are better at farming and men are better at mining.
>>2123423>All my beginning citizenry were male. No wonder thou wert victorious! I shalt abdicate.
>>2123407Can't believe it was 6 years ago
>>2123432Maybe their TC can have different hotkeys for queuing male and female vils.
>>2123423There was some T90 Low Elo Legend that used to have this small landing pad where every TC would deliver villsAnd then he would manually assign each one to gender-appropriate tasks
>>212342310 years old me practiced for that
>>2123446And and he still was like 800elo with perfect symmetrical building and all apm wasted on microing on separating vills.
>>2123423Would be kino
WHENISREDBULL WOLOLO
>>2123543tomorrow at the earliest i'd guess
>>2121681everyone thinks their specific unique people needs to be added, but that's why AoK were family groups that fit various circumstances. >Vlachs are neededagree>Swiss aren't neededcould be represented with a Suebi blanket for other Alpine Germanics like Bavarians, Austrians, or even the Lombards. Fine being Goths/Teutons>South Slavic ... sorely missedSclaveni, yes, to avoid any specific Balkan preference>Permian/Finish ... sorely missedNot really, they're infantry barbars. Use Goths>Spanish can get Aragonese, Occitan, and Basque friendsAt best, the Aragonese who can represent all three, but it's otherwise spleetbloat that does nothing better than Spanish. Fine being Goths>Albania, Sardinia, and Venetiansutterly stupid. Albania can be Sclaveni, there were no relevant Sardinian powers and can just be lumped in, with Venetians, into Italians>BritonspleetAnglo-Saxons are Goths>OceanaOne blanket civ at best, the rest are bloat>Americas/South AmericasMississippians, Purepacha, maybe Chicimeca, and Mapuche. This isn't EU, they need actual differences >AfricaSonghai, Nubians, Swahili, Kongolese. The rest are redundant; one Central Sahel, one Jungle Africa, and one east Coast and can represent the others.>SaracenspleetNo such thing as Kurdish Empire, but something to differentiate Mesopotamian Arabs from the Egyptian Arabs would be good. Hadrhami is fine, Saracens are fine being Egyptians. I'd be for splitting Andalusians from Moors because they had their own ~750 years of unique history, but, again, bloat, mechanics, and uniqueness>Alansindifferent>Azeris, Caspians, KalajPersians>Siberian TurksTartars, irrelevant>PashtunHindustanis>>Indiaspleet 2.0>Telegu and KannadigaDravidians, who also cover the Tamils>Gond and Odiascombine into one>Assamesebloat>Kashmiri and SindhiHindustani>Tai and Chamsagree, but bloat>Indonesiaone Blanket>Xianbeipart of the Wei :3>Ryukyu and Emishibloat and too limited>no USA
>>2123563I just want to say fuck Magyars and Austrians in equal measure
WHEN are we getting civ specifc vills?????????
I know talking about US civ is a meme, but I really wouldn't mind having Mississippians in game.
Bros what the fuck have the devs done to arabia? I've been playing games where the sides of the bases can be walled with 5 houses TOTAL.Arabia doesn't feel like arabia anymore. There's too much fucking wood.
>>2123423back to bed darkelf.
>>2123611fuck off back to civ VII with your irrelevant tribals.
>>2123618I'd have them over the hundred pajeet spleets any time.
>>2123614I'm more concerned about neutral gold and stone being concentrated so close to middle that often you can monopolize them with single castle, it's arabia not gold rush.
if your civ doesn't have both a castle and a wonder that aren't made up it doesn't deserve to be a civ. we're playing age of empires here not age of dei additions.
>>2123649What about having real castles and wonders but they look pretty much the same (meso civs)?
>>2123622Ok we cut jeets and not add missiisisisopp0iopppians and call it even
>>2123636we know you hate that hera
We should have wonder victories in ranked.
>>2123705hera has worst takes in whole community but he's right once.
>hera has worst takes in whole community
What are your hopes for the AoE announcements during this Gamescoom?
>>2123556Would it kill you cunts to actually answer this question for real?
>>2123736Soon.
Thoughts?Where is your fav civ?
>>2123754reminder nobody ever gets mongols randomly
>>2123543idk it's not on the list
>>2123754chinkshit civs aren't "hidden gems" it's just that nobody bought that dogshit DLC
>>2123754unironically chinkcivs aren't that good, it's just that most people haven't bothered to learn their gimmicky techtrees so you're playing against them full blind lmfao
>>2123754"Meh" is my jam
>>2123731USA civ easy
>>2123754I'm surprised lithuanians are that high given where chinese, tatars and georgians are desu. Anyway, mongols nerf fucking when?
>>2123754>Geogorians below 47,5Good riddance
>>2123836mongols are like the crusader crossbow in TF2, op but never getting nerfed because players don't want it nerfed
>>2123754Shouldn't Berbers be way higher simply because of the Mongol playrate?
>>2123731AoE4 got a new DLC announced, featuring:>The Golden Horde (Mongols Variant)>The Macedonian Dynasty (Byzantines Variant)>Sengoku Daimyo (Japanese Variant)>The Tughlaq Dynasty (Delhi Sultanate Variant)Any thoughts on these iconic new civs?
>>2123889>macedonian dynastythe fuck? I thought aoe IV was even later time period than 2?
>>2123904It's supposed to be the medieval Macedonian dynasty (867-1056) of the Byzantine empire, unrelated to the ancient Macedonian Kingdom/Empire.
>>2123889Where are the civs? Didn't see shit in the trailer.
does aoe4 have any interesting hand cannon based strategies? what about bbcs?
Dynasties of the Easthttps://www.ageofempires.com/news/pre-order-dynasties-of-the-east-and-age-of-empires-iv-coming-to-playstation/>The Golden Horde (Mongols Variant) -- less mobile than regular Mongols, ages up at the Golden Tent, builds around Fortified Outposts (to spam units)>The Macedonian Dynasty (Byzantines Variant) -- silver resource when mining to buy specialty Varaganian mercenaries>Sengoku Daimyo (Japanese Variant) -- Yatai can gather from animals, berries, and fish without depleting, improving infantry, cavalry, and ranged from Hojo, Takeda, and Oda Estates>The Tughlaq Dynasty (Delhi Sultanate Variant) -- mobile elephant drop offs, raiding elephant, can assign governors in defensive forts>Crucible (rogue-lite challenge map)>8 maps and 6 biomes (Greek Islands, Alpine Spring, Temperate Fall, Black Sand beach)
>>2123889>>2123965https://www.ageofempires.com/games/age-of-empires-iv/dynasties-of-the-east/
>>2123923I've never heard of them, whats special about them to make them included over other civs?
>>2123978Why is there a white guy wearing the samurai gear?
>>2123982Nothing really, it's honestly just the Byzantines again
>>2123981>>2123978>4 variants>nothing newOkay it's actually over, what the fuck is this SHIT? Low effort reskins aren't DLC.
>>2123978Not particularly interest in any of this from the description alone but it's good that we're not getting any Joan of arc civ type nonsense
>>2123978fuck you scared me for a second but thankfully it's just for the game nobody gives a fuck about
>>2123986Because it's all AI slop.
>>2123754I guess they'll never buff Byz because their pick rate is high.
>>2123978How do 4fags put up with this? How are the devs so out of touch? What a complete disaster of a product that game is goddamn.
>>2124095It's not like they're weak, just predictable. I can go camels blindly you'll still sink thousand into the UU.
>>2124116What's wrong with it?
>>2124199It's a literal nothingburger? Nothing new, just tweaks to existing civs.>hehe goy we made the spearmanii 20% stronger on this "VARIANT" civ, where's the shekels at
>>2124243So 3 Kingdoms?
>>2124116>>2124243it is the EXACT same for aoe2 thoughbeit
>>2123978I don't get it honestlyLike, I understand that variants are a cool concept that allows for some diversification of strategies while also being relatively low-effort to make on the devs' part (I heard 4 has unique models and buildings for each culture so even one civ is probably a big big undertaking in terms of resources)But trying to sell a supposedly historical game with no Vikings/Spanish/Italians/Portuguese/Koreans is kinda odd honestly, I can't imagine many new players will pick up the game in the hopes of playing as the fucking Macedonian Dynasty (not even the actually cool one)I'm sure the game's flourishing, and they obviously know what they're doing, but I was looking for reasons to pick up 4 soonish and this is most definitely not a good encouragement
american civ in aoe2 when, aoe3 is dead and i just wanted some yeehaw units
>>2123978>aom: retold got a japanese update>aoe4 got a japanese updateI'm more surprised it isn't coming to aoe2, but maybe they realized it's even more of a stretch than three kingdoms.
>>2124243>>2124263KTs and HoLs were good despite being variants
>>2124262The standard for AoE2 is having 90% similar civs with a unique unit/tech and some bonuses. The standard for AoE4 on launch was 10 distinct civs, which even though they share basic unit archetypes LOOK and FEEL different.
>>2124263>Vikings>KoreansDunno about koreans but Vikings have no place in 4, unless they completely morph into medieval scandistanis by Castle/Imperial. I like that they picked civilizations which exist in a similar timeframe. It's more focused and it's not as jarring as seeing some retarded chink faction from the 3rd century AD fighting Teutonic Knights.
>>2124330shame they all look like the very early 3D models from the 2000s
>>2123978Big letdown honestly, wanted two new civs not four new variants. Shan't be purchasing.
>>2123978>>The Macedonian DynastyKomnenoi were cooler.
after releasing a dlc with just 2 variants i was kind of expecting a big dlc with at least 1-2 new civs, so this is pretty disappointing even if I like the sound of these variants + new biomes. Also no coop mode still is idiotic. How have they not realized that's a major feature that has kept even dogshit like sc2 afloat?
AoE2 has 50 civs and you guys want more? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>2123978>Makedonia finally in the gameWe winned... we winned so hard...
>Age of Empires>on Playstation
>>2124430Sometimes console players in AoEIV kick my ass
>>2124430Already happened on Age of Mythology
>>2123978that's the wrong macedonia retards
I want a real Slavs campaign. Fuck Dracula, you get two entire slavic missions that whole campaign and only one of them is any good.
>>2124430Also aoe2, are you just finding out about this slowpoke
My poor berserkers (favourite UU since AoK) have been powercrept to oblivion
>>2124484Are they really that bad? They’re better than champs, right?
>>2124484I dont agree with that, they still shred paladins and are still okay in melee against most stuff in this game, except top tier infantryThey did got the short end of the stick when it comes to all these infantry buffs but they are still very useableI tried looking for a screenie of me using Zerks but couldnt find one kek
>>2124504>>2124501There is little reason to use berserks over champs. They have a slight advantage in raiding and are convenient to make in a castle drop.
Anyone got any fun or stupid strats to play after the new patch? I've been doing siege tower infantry on arena.
>>2124546Yeah, play through every campaign again
>>2124536Wrong, regeneration goes a very long way, they are better than viking champs
>>212459240hp/m is not doing much unless the game is very slow, especially considering the champion has more health to begin with.
>>2124593It still adds up in melee fighting, only problem is archers focus fire that kills zerks without giving them a chance to regenerate
>>2124596You know what helps even more than recovering 10hp after 15 seconds, is having 10hp immediately Berserks are a raiding unit, not completely obsolete but niche
Anarchy got researched via trigger, but I can't build huskarls. Why not?
>>2124484they don't even counter the units they are supposed to counter, unfortunately they are like a bottom 5 unique unit, even flaming camels are better.
>>2124604I have used them in combat and they are not at all niche, they are good against cavalry and overall good in melee fightingAnd no, if you have surviving zerks or battle lasts for long you will eventually gain more value on regen alone than spending more resources rebuilding champions
>>2124612>they are good against cavalry and overall good in melee fightingYeah they are goodAnd Champions are better
>>2124614>And Champions are betterWrong.
>>2124610>they don't even counter the units they are supposed to counterAlso wrong
>>2123978>Variant>Variant>Variant>Variantwtf are they actually selling skins now instead of full civilizations and people are buying it for $20 a DLC?do 4fags really??
>>2124378okay we can remove some african and indian civs and add more whites.
>>2124465What would you do? Lose to the mongols then lose to the tatars?
>>2124484they are pretty good this patch, viper said fast castle berserker push was good.
>>2124609I think you need to capture the next town for huskarls.
>>2124623Two towns latter, about to head to Athens, still no huskarls. I don't think perfusion is working either.
>>2123317>tfw Onagers are approaching
>>2124609Bro you should be able to build huskarls immediately
Took Athens, got it's castle, now anarchy. Did they make owning a castle somewhere a requirement for those techs to work at some point?
>>2124199the fantasy of age of empires is playing as great period-accurate empires and civilizations and duking it out on epic battlefields while guiding them through th centuries, similar to the civ games but more specific and localizedyou know, "what if the holy roman and chinese empires went to all out war!" and "what if the ottoman and british empires fought over aztec gold!" kind of stuff4 is still starved of civ variety and there's dozens of cool big powerful medieval empires they could add, and all they keep doing are these fucking "variants" which are just some random specific dynasties or one-off leaders of already existing civs, it's beyond boring, misses the entire point of the franchise, and is very obviously a shitty cost-cutting measure because they want to minimize the amount of new assets they need to produceit's exactly as shitty as the 3 kingdoms for 2, but the difference is 4 players actually gobble it up without complaint
>>2123904AoE IV took the direction of recycling civs with outright fantasy 'what if' versions sometime ago, because it turns out that trying to go differentiating everyone, while still trying to cover many of the same bases the original AoE II already had - is a fuckton more work than just simply reusing the same tech tree skeleton with different sprites.
man you niggers are fucking salty. are you guys forgetting>ottomans>malians>byzantines>japanese>knights templar (theyre a unique civ, deal with it)>zoo chinks legacy?sure JD was just absolute shit and OTD is questionable as to how different it is from its base civ. but byz and mongols alone are distinct enough that if they can add more variety to base gameplay it can really feel different considering what they've shown they can do with knight templar. byzantinesare literally one of the only factions in the entire fucking franchise that has a unique RESOURCE ffs. they gave chink slop so we can get the real slc, stay mad niggers
>>2124670you must be 18 years old to post here.
>>2124670underage
>>2124671>>2124675prove me wrong niggers
>>2124681go back to /v/
>>2124698>>2124710>no proofyou loseyou leave
>>2124644>great period-accurate empires and civilizationsah yes, all the "period-accurate" empires and civilizations like the 'celts', 'franks', 'persians', 'saracens', and 'turks' that fill the aoe2 roster meet what you're describing perfectly.
I don't think the new DLC civs in AoE IV are bad. Sure they're technically just variants but they're each more unique than a AoE II civ. Nu indians have 4 extra types of elephants which is really cool because that's the main reason you picked indians and they also dropped the "you get upgrades for free but they are slow unless you buy scholars" gimmick with a more normal system that gives you faster but more expensive upgrades.Nu byz have a twist on mercenaries so instead of recruiting longbows and stuff they have their own unique types, which is pretty cool and at the same time them getting silver from mines means that you as their opponent can try to stop them getting silver instead of olive oil being generated from farms that they could put at the back of their base.No idea about mongols or japs because I don't play them.I will not buy the DLC because there's already so many other civs that I could learn to play but I think it's a net positive for the game.
>>2124771all of those civilizations developed major medieval kingdoms or empires, some of them multiple in different stages of the medieval period
>>2124644I wrote a 2000 words reply disagreeing with this entire post, then hit CTRL+Right Arrow to set the finishing period and 4chan X navigated to the next page on the board, deleting everything I wrote. REEEEEEEE--!!TL;DR version:AoE4 variants are the best addition, actuallyvariants allow you to play more of your favourite civs but with different gameplayvariants actually expensive to make, too (Templars)variants open up many more cool factions (Hanseatic League, Livonian Order, Golden Horde, Mughals)base fantasy is historical armies duking it out, not wacky civ combos (see any trailers and campaigns)entire AoE franchise actually ahistorical as fuck (>>2124771)
>>2124938didn't realize microsoft marketing team posted on this board
>>2124944God forbid people have different opinions.I'm also pretty sure Microsoft wouldn't call its own franchise "ahistorical as fuck".
>>2124938Brevity is the soul of wit, anon.Or I say it:brvt = wt
>The Hunting Dog in Sherwood Forest takes 15 damage from Villagers and 50 or 80 or somefuck from SpearmenI have no idea how to use this thing.
>>2124095byz are one of the best civs, they are just hard to play
>>2124949the joke is microsoft hires jeets.
>>2125225>only 50% WR at highest elo
>>2124292If they gave a Japanese update to AOE2, then people would once again have no reason to play the other AOE/M titles.
>>2124938>variants actually expensive to make, too (Templars)could you expand on this, not trying to argue I'm genuinely curious.
>>2125408if they would fix aoe3 I wouldn't have to struggle with hand cannons in 2
>>2123978stop with the fucking variaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANTS
>>2125443The Knights Templar™ license is very expensive to use.
>>2125404I don't care. Hera consistently loses against them. That's all that matters.
>>2124622>viper saidViper's washed. What does Hera say?
holy fuck revert arabia to how it used to be, right now FC is basically the meta in anything below 2000 eloit's way too fucking easy to wall now
>>2125565how is arabia different
>>2125592there's more wood
>>2125548>washed>invited to current chinee tournamentyeah ok bud
>>2125659>invitedSo he couldn't qualify? lel
Anyone played the new maps? Dingos looks fun.
>>2124536They move faster, that's enough reason on its own not even considering the regen.
>>2125660Hera was also invited, your move.
>>2125751They wanted to give other people a chance to qualify.
>>2125763That is why they invited the best players, yes.
>>2125666>4 games on Sherwood>4 easy lossesThis map's fucky, there's def more food than regular Arabia but woodlines are non-existent so if you're not playing a Scout/CA civ you're basically fokken doneAlso I'm not sure if you should send the wolferino forward min 1 or what his best use case even isBut I definitely enjoy this new rotation of maps, makes me wish every season came with 1/2 meme maps
>>2125970This, I keep my ban on Arabia Arena Black Forest and only play more interesting maps.
I am once again asking for black desert ideas. Any offense that stops the boom? Basically stuck either running Cumans on a closed map for the early rams; or pushing him to start the dark age wall very close to his base, so he can't make a second wall behind it.
>>2126005Italians or Malay might work better. You get rams a bit later but at least you have castle age for your other units.
>>2126005Italian or Turk fast imp, you'll have bombards and hand cannons knocking down his base by 19-20 minutes game time when he's just getting into the swing of an FC boom and has nothing to defend with
Now if only my fast imp wasn't actually a slow imp
never played the original but still got age of mythology because it was discounted (I don't have the chinaman dlcs)what am I in for?
>>2126406are you following the spreadsheet?
>>2126432It fun
>>2124430>Face Xbox player>Use only one hand>Face playstation player>Use no handsNow this is a fair battle
>no new civs>4 variants of existing civsWelp guess aoe4 is trully fucked
>>2126551No loss.
Man, you know what I want in AoE2? Something like the War Room from Advance Wars. A bunch of difficult single-player scenarios you can tackle with whatever civ you want.
>>2126581how would that mode be any different to the 'Historical Battles' already in-game?and do you think players should still have to earn in-game currency to buy those maps off Hachi?
>>2126643>can tackle with whatever civ you want.That part. Historical battles are all made with your civ in mind. I want scenarios with triggers and pre-made enemies and the like without that. Maybe made with a sort of civ in mind, but even then it’s on the player to pick it, and nothing stopping you from choosing something else.
>>2124938>AoE4 variants are the best addition, actuallytheyre exactly the same system as major gods in age of mythology
What the fuck, I thought you were joking.
>>2126729Georgians were huge Mongol simps tho, they even sent troops to help Hulegu Khan burn down Baghdad
>>2126005Alt f4 or wall your vills in the corner
>let's check how aoe2 is doing >yup, still ruined.
>>2127360are people seriously luring fucking chicken
>>2127360I'm expecting devs to say the unbuilt wall thing is working as intented because they want to raise the skill ceiling in early game.
>>2127407>raise the skill ceiling>TCs can freely kill boar nowlmao
>>2123754How do you even play romans? You just spam scorpions?
>>2123889What is the point of AoE4 tho?
>>2123754>MongolsWill never be nerfed btw. Ever.
>>2123889>>The Macedonian Dynasty (Byzantines Variant)>>2123904Going for the Macedonians feels like such a weird pick to me. I saw a rumor going around it was originally supposed to be its own Viking civ but idk how true it is. Apparently Byzantines in AoE IV already have Varangians units as well? I feel like going with the Komnenoi or Palaiologos dynasties would've been more interesting. The Komnenoi having more of a siege (John Komnenos) and Latin mercenary focus (Manuel Komnenos) and Alexios also made extensive use of various nomadic tribes from the Baltics and Anatolia and their dynasty is the last time you see the Varangians. With the Palaiologos you could also start having some Ottoman influence (fuck you Kantakouzenos), Serbian, the Catalan Company, Venetian/Genoese influence was also huge towards the end. Varangians are gone by this time. The empire couldn't afford them after 1204. >>2123982The Macedonian dynasty was the last time you really see the Eastern Roman Empire expanding and reclaiming territories. You see some revival during the Komnenian Restoration but outside of Justinian's conquests early on this is the peak of the empire. Basil II (nicked named the Bulgarslayer), John Tzimiskes, Nikephoros Phokas (made the Saracens piss themselves with fear. They called him "The Pale Death of the Saracens") are probably the most standout names militarily.
>>2127360>>2127381>>2127410None of this hunt tech feels good.
>>2126581>A bunch of difficult single-player scenarios you can tackle with whatever civ you want.Yeah it's called skirmish vs AI
>>2127360uhm, ayktually, you can push chickens now so funnels are obsolete.
>>2127536you put legos in siege rams and bulldoze
>>2127536Imagine Sicilians without Donjon, like that. You've got a couple high armor infantry up front and the rest is scorp-heavy siege. Add something to deal with mangos/bbc/monk.
wasn't the whole point of chickens that you couldn't herd them like deer? when will they just admit that no one likes dark age minigames and remove this mechanic from the game?
>>2127658>no one likes dark age minigames>t. Redbull
>>2127658They got rid of animal laming and tc shots spoiling meat, baby steps. Many pros have said it's not even that efficient to funnel chickens on most map types and it's better to just send 2 vills to eat them one-by-one.
>>2126581Something like the Generals Challenge from C&C Generals Zero Hour could work as well, exemplifying the strengths and weaknesses of civs. Though it would be a bit dry since that was mostly 1v1s unless you add in smaller opponents for flavor (ie cutting off Spanish trade). Stronghold missions in DoW1 DC/SS also come to mind, and the RA2 mod Mental Omega also had a handful of army-specific challenges that let you take any army you want aside from the opponent's exact own.Seeing >>2123563 makes me think a Risk or Dark Crusade-style game mode for AoE II could probably be fun too, though at that point I'd prefer some more co-op stuff.
TOTALTRUSHERDEATH
You are reading that in TF2's Soldier voice
>>2127776how does that even work on arena, you can't get through the wall
>>2127784>you can't get through the wallYou absolutely can, and quite easily I must addVillagers have a huge attack bonus vs towers, walls and gates, and the extra garrisoned tower arrows also has some bonus damage vs buildingsBusting inside your enemy's base in arena is more common than you'd think
>>2127796Oh okay. And I guess fucking up your eco is okay in team games where someone else can captalize on it. Sounds suicidal in 1v1, he's gonna have more villagers in the fight as well as more res.
>>2127360Not viable on any map that isn't Arena, but that's already a meme map so who cares, they could add randomly spawning UFOs that kidnap vills and I still wouldn't careEven there, your build order is much tighter since you're effectively 50 wood down so some people choose not to do it>>2127557If Mangudai came out today, people would shartiss their pants 24/7 on Reddit and we'd have daily self-immolations in front of of Microsoft officesYoutubers would make bank by putting out AI-genned "LE BROKEN UNIT" videos every hour>>2127807Trush can easily win games in 1v1s too if the other guy's unlucky and only has forward golds, and by the time he clears it you ideally have full map control for relics
>>2127809>Youtubers would make bank by putting out AI-genned "LE BROKEN UNIT" videos every hourThey'd be right.
>>2127809>UFOs that randomly spawn and kidnap vilsMICROSOFT. HIRE THIS MAN
When are we getting Macedonia as a civ?
I haven't played this game since the early 2000s and I want to go back (I was a kid so I was very bad at the game). Which civs can you recommend me that are flexible enough for me to learn? I don't want to develop bad habits
>>2127878Probably MagyarsThey have no eco bonus so you don't become over reliant on it, and have a fairly straightforward gameplan that applies to tons of other civs; people will often recommend Saracens/Byz for similar reasons, but frankly their very open tech tree can be a double-edged sword since you're not really funneled into any specific strat and that can be overwhelming during an actual match. The real redpill here is that the best civ to play is the one you like the most, developing bad habits is secondary to your enjoyment of the game since I doubt you'll be playing in S-tier tournos within the next couple of months; just avoid Chinese/Malay/Khmer/Gurjaras/Huns since they're a bit whacky (or don't: I have a friend who has 1700 games on Chinese and barely 10 on any other civ, and I'd say he enjoys the game plenty)
>>2127840Byzantines (the Greeks) are already in the game
>>2127914Not the same thoughever.
>>2127914Makedonia has existed as an independent and non-greek state since antiquity until the late medieval period.
We could be out there, getting Austria and Poland and Danes for Age of Empires 3.I hate this timeline.
>>2128016Macedonians are Greek. Unless you mean the slav squatters.
>>2128045Macedonians weren't Greek. Philip II and Alexander III conquered Greece.
You know what would make Dark Age interesting? Every civ starting out with 5 villagers and some houses already.Chinese then get to start with some more idk how many to make it balanced.
>>2128056They have the same origin and culture as every other Greek people of the time like Athenians or Spartans. They speak a Greek language. They didn't conquer "Greece" because Greece wasn't a thing until Byzantine and modern nationalism. They simply conquered the other Greek city states and kingdoms, of which Macedon was just one of. Macedonians are Greek the same way Mercians and Wessexians are English, i.e. they are the same group of people who have later been gathered under one national umbrella. If Macedonians aren't Greek then neither are any of the other Greek tribes.
>>2128065Different language, different pantheon, different army. There's nothing "greek" about Macedonia. If anything, greeks are aping the culture and language of their conquerors and pretending it's their own.
>>2128116Wrong
>>2128134not an argument :)
>>2127914>Byzantines (the Greeks)Byzantines are Romans. Who were originally Greeks.
>>2128159even if you insist on calling it the Roman empire, the majority of citizens were still ethnically and culturally Greek and not Latin ("Roman")
You know what would make Dark Age interesting? Every civ starting out with having to do those sex minigames from God of War to boost villager production, but we get to hear the female villagers moan in their native tongue.
>>2128165>insistThat's what it was, yes.
>>2123754Surprised Georgians are so low. Even when I know it's Monaspa I go full halb monk and still lose. Not to mention they're impossible to raid because of the churches.
>>21278402 monthsTRVST THE PLΛN
Are there any civ matchups that are truly and undeniably one-sided, given:>equal mechanical and macro skill>no aggression in feudal>equal fast Castle into 3 TC boom>unraidable ecos>fighting from late CA into mid Imp with realistic resourcesMaya vs Goths/Inca ?
>>2128326I think Hindustanis vs Mayans is a pretty huge stomp iirc.
They should make a separate mode in aoe2 to include aoe3's timeframe and drop the numbering system already. That way we have the ultimate aoe game.
>>2128330Oh yea pretty trueThe more I look at it the more I realise Mayans are kinda fucked in a lot of situations, being an archer-focused meso is really cursed compared to monks + siege + infantry (Azt) and being a pure counter civ (Inca)
>>2128337Meso civs are just shit in general now unless they somehow boom into eagle spam. Incas are probably the best general one and Aztecs are still ok if you're good at micro I guess. Mayans have their eco but I feel like it only takes them so far now.
>>2128330No aggression in Feudal Mayans means a lot of fucking archers. Hindustanis can't outproduce them with just castles.
>>2128060Empire Wars already exists and nobody plays that mode.
>>2127840I have good news anon.
I've always found it really telling how, despite 4chan hosting some of the biggest contrarians I've ever seen, I've never ever ever seen anyone defending or even pretending to defend AoE1
the original Age of Empires is a very fun game, one of the titans of the genre that codified many of the tropes that are still common in RTS to this day
>>2128619I like it tho :(It's more simple mechanically, making it a more relaxed game than 2. Also the idea of ages fits the first game better.>Stone Age (Paleolithic)>Tool Age (Neolithic)>Bronze Age>Iron Age
>>2128326Can you elaborate more that goth vs inca matchup? Don't think I've ever seen slingers shooting at huskarls, but if hand cannoneers work this should as well. But goths have actual hand cannoneers, decent CA and they both have siege. Might just come down to bombard cannons vs redemption monks.
>>2128330Ghulam are about equal with eagles power and cost-wise, and lose out with the mayan unique tech. Rest depends on the supporting army.
>>2128674I meant Maya vs Goth and Maya vs IncaThe first is self-explanatory, the second feels very one sided if Maya can't get enough Feudal damage done>>2128677Ghulams have bonus damage vs Eagles, and Hindus have some of the best HC in the game
>>2128686oh, I thought the anti-eagle bonus was exclusive to militia linethen yeah that sucks
>>2128693I checked, it's there but only a +2 bonus instead of the usual +8. They're still probably even with eldorado so it would come down to the units in the back.
>>2128619I like AoE1 better because of the extreme aggression. No TC arrows makes early rushing surprisingly fun to execute. I also enjoy the retarded power gaps between units. A Centurion one shots a villager when fully upgraded.
>>2128619AoE1 is excellent tho
I just can't beat Korean extreme AI no matter what. No matter how many counter units I make, the absurd number of those horses with an archer inside a box is too much for anyone to handle. I had all the relics, I had way better economy, it was all for nothing because that unit is just plain OP.
>>2128976It counts as CA. When I play them the biggest issue is skirmishers, halbs if they get close, onagers in large numbers, and a couple UUs. camel archer, huskarl, ghulam, genoese crossbowman.Also, it's an expensive unit with little dps. Just a meatshield to cover arbs and siege.
Why does this keep happening to me every now and then? My ally still has his market untouched by the way, and these units have not gotten damaged at all.
>Play multiplayer>Enemy surrenders at first sight of MAA>Enemy surrenders at first sight of MAA>Enemy surrenders at first sight of MAA>Enemy surrenders after MAA kills one villagerI wish people weren't that afraid to lose a game and just play a little longer.
>>2128740>>2128677My tests in CA weren't especially close, the +2 bonus damage is just too impactful for how squishy warriors arePost-Imp was a bit more interesting: out of the 25 battles I let the AI play out, Ghulams won 11 and Eagles won 14, with picrel being the most decisive result. I eventually switched to a single-line formation, thinking the double lines ever so slightly favourited Ghulams, but noticed no differences: sometimes the Eagles would just clump up of their own accord and get slaughtered, other times they'd take 1v1s and winAdding proper backline support (10 HC/10 Plumes) heavily favoured Ghulams once again since a couple of them could mop up Plumes in an instant, which the Eagles could not do; on top of that, this method of testing does not take into consideration how impactful Shatagni would be in an actual game
>>2129012>"wow this dude is a tryhard, I better surrender to avoid wasting my time"That's probably what they think
I just can't bring myself to do MAA rushes, it's so retarded in my mind to be honest. Why waste food and gold in a shit unit that gets easily killed 1v1 against a villager with loom? Might as well send a few villagers lmao
>>2128626>more relaxed gameNigga it's even faster paced than AoE II
>>2128805>A Centurion one shots a villager when fully upgradedjust as it would happen IRL? see >>2129061 villagers should not be able to win a 1v1 against a bear, or a swordman
>>2128997are you sure? if their market died and they rebuilt it at the same spot, how would you know?
>>2129101>are you sure?I'm 100% sure. It was a 2v2, Me + AI vs 2 AI. The map was that black forest variant that has one choke point in the middle with tons of relics. I walled and tower'd + castle the middle point early so literally not a single enemy unit was nowhere near our base the entire game, not even the enemy scout. The AI never deletes buildings.
>>2129023>training soldiers in a war game is tryharding
>>2128997>>2129104You should submit a bug report.
>>2129061>open M@A>manage to be mildly annoying with them>enemy trains 1 (one, uno) skirm>M@A are effectively dead already
>open tournament vod>archer blob
>>2129238Three MAA can ignore one arches for like two minutes, idling his woodline or gold. That's all you should be aiming for, only noobs lose vils to MAA. Just slow down his eco long enough to recoup the cost. Bonus if you forced a non-archer civ to make the range, maybe even fletching.
They really need to start taking 1v1 Elo into account in team game matchmaking. Me and my mates (around 1200 in both modes) very regularly get matched against people with hundreds of points higher Elo in 1v1 (while they for some reason have similar team Elo to us) and predictably get utterly crushed with not a single chance of making it a fair fight. How's a group of 1200s supposed to compete with a 1600 and a couple of 1400s? Like half the games we get are just stomps.
>>2129238Good luck with that against Bulgarian MAA.
>>2129319No they don't, team games and 1v1 games are completely different and require different skills.
>>2129061You gotta fight vills in small numbers or use them to cause idle time like with scouts, they move faster than vills assuming they aren't playing berbers or have handcart.>>2129238It's going to take a single skirm ages to micro down 1 maa
Any tips for starting improving against the AI?
>>21294291. Never stop making villagers until you're at like 852. Never let your resources float, if you have too much of something, just spend it and reorganize the villagers. Use the Market if pressured.3. Make army and upgrade it, focus on what your civ does best and think about what you can do to counter the counters to your best units.
>>2129429This is how you can easily beat the extreme AI with literally any civ:Get to feudal age as soon as possible, so around 20 villagers. In feudal, create 4 archers as soon as possible. When you get the 4 archers, move the villagers who are in gold to stone. Now move the 4 archers + 4 or 5 villagers to the AI base and build a tower near one of their resources. The AI is programmed to stop you from buildinf anything in its base by any means so it will instantly move all of its villagers to attack your builders. Use your archers to protect your builders (The AI is also programmed to make the villagers run away when attacked by archers) so the AI will stay in a confused state trying to both attack you while running away. You will get to kill many villagers while taking no damage from this. Once the tower is build, make another one near other resource. Repeat. Just make sure the archers don't get killed by the enemy TC. By this point the AI will be completely tamed. Now you can easily move to castle age to destroy him with siege, or just keep spamming archers in feudal.
>>2129012>why do people surrender when faced with a sweatlord rush strat???It's a mystery
>>2129434I just tried it and works insanely well. Winning like this doesn't make me feel good though...
>>2129429going against to top ai you need to learn to rush them, since the ai will scale better than you since it isn't limited by apm, So early damage can really even the odds.
>>2129478>>2129434this is fucking ridiculous lmao. I can't believe I was struggling against this dumb AI
Anons I'm an OG AoE2 player and I wanna play the newest versions. But I don't wanna get a Microsoft account or use Steam. Am I SOL?
>>2129458Should I wait until my opponent gets every forge upgrade and then unleash at me 60 frank paladins?
>>2129499If you want to buy it, yes. If you're willing to pirate, no.
>>2129518I am absolutely willing. Should I check out the uh...bay...?
>>2129505It's Mangudai these days.
>>2129523I don't need to spoonfeed you, do your own research. That said, you obviously will be limited to single player.
>>2129505No you should stop wasting time playing video games and learn english instead.
>>2129527Single player is fine. I'd at least appreciate some guidance as opposed to slogging around Google for hours.
>>2129532Anon, googling Age of Empires 2 DE torrent should take you minutes at worst.
>>2129523enjoy your bitcoin miners and other spyware
>>2129533Cheerio.
>>2129530Better to know two languages than one
>>2129458>Nooo don't train soldiers
>>2129505Yes so I can watch my Gurjara camels shred them to piecesIt's the one thing this fucking civ has going for it nowadays
>>2129418ah yes. making vils, making army, and making castles is different. i understand.
>>2129458You don't get great comebacks if you don't first suffer a setback.
>>2129760Some people never recover from setbacks at all.
>>2129769yeah, those people are called quitters and whiners.
LIFE OR DEATH questionTo my fellow Steam offline mode chads - is it just me or did you also stopped getting cheevo unlocks in offline mode? Before the China DLC, you got cheevo pop ups when you completed them even in offline mode, and then they would "upload" to steamcommunity the next time you went online. But ever since the China DLC... no cheevos popping. Won at least 5 games with all the new chinese civs, no pop ups ever. Even did some old achievements for historical battles (Lepanto, Bapheus, etc) - no pop ups.Is it... over? No more? Never again? I have exactly 222.0 hours in Age of Empires 2 on Steam, so I am playing offline only.
>>2129012It's more of a low elo thing, once you go up in elo people won't just roll over and die when you rush them. That being said I've had people at 16xx elo resign because they didn't want to play against the strat I was going for.
is AoE 1 not available to buy on steam? I was kinda feeling like playing it again for a while.
>>2129523>Be old fag>Doesn't know how to pirate in this day and ageAnon...
>>2129902just get RoR it's objectively better
>>2129495>>2129478>>2129434This works great but it's a coinflip in arabia. I made a few changes to make it bullet proof in any map. Instead of making 4 archers, make 4 skirms instead and get the armor upgrade instead of the attack one if you are tight on res. This will make it possible to survive if the AI has a lot of archers to defend, and will also free the villagers who would've been in gold and use them to build a second tower at the same time. Important note is that the AI wont know how to react only if you build at least one tower near the TC but not in its fire range. This destroys the AI economy. If the AI somehow gets to castle age, make some melee units because the AI will make rams to fuck up the towers, but other than that it doesnt make good use of castle age tech to counter you. Put your units in stand ground if you dont want them to walk into the TC range like retards. Garrison the villagersin the towers to get more arrows and heal them, thats why you should bring 5 villagers per tower you plan to build. If you do the 2 towers I said in the beginning, make sure they are in range of eachother but not too close to defend from melee attacks.
>>2129948instead of learning how to cheese the ai why don't you just learn how to play the game normally? shouldn't anyone that's like 1000 be able to beat it with a normal build?
>>2129429Make vills nonstop, make army and use it, don't forget to get eco techs and blacksmith upgrades. Spend your resources quickly.
>>2129902https://store.steampowered.com/app/1017900/Age_of_Empires_Definitive_Edition/
>>2129976To be completely fair, I'm 1.4k and I still can't beat extreme AII just get terribly annoyed at all the little retarded micro shit it does and end up overcommiting and diving just to punish it for being a smug little bitch, and consequently loseNothing worse than watching a skirm survive for 2 minutes against 10 of my own skirms because the AI is making him spaz out all over the place like he's fucking Neo
>>2130050have you tried this strat >>2129948 ?Does it work? I wanna try it when my shift is over
>>2130111No I'm too busy M@Aing fools on Graveyard (it's totally not Arabia but sp00ky)
>>2129902Pirate the original and use UPatch, or just play Return of Rome.
>>2129991Yeah that's basically the Starcraft idea. Make as much money as you can and immediately spend it all, without queueing units.
Is there some way to get an "idle TC" indicator, the same way you have "idle villagers"? I noticed going through my replays, even in the games I win I'm always 20-30 vils behind.Found some mods online but guessing such are not allowed in matchmade games.
>>2129976The extreme AI is an absolute beast in the late game anybody would get trouble beating. I dare you to beat it without rushing it in the early game in arabia. Let it become an economy beast that will spam units non stop at you and micro all fights at the same time.
>>2130175and fill half the map with production buildings, so even if you win a fight there's a hundred more waiting
>>2130175>>2130187What you are describing is the 30 or 40 minutes peace treaty challenge. That's the time it takes the extreme AI to become unstoppable in arabia when it doesn't get rushed. Even Hera failed it on stream like a year ago an had to give the AI a trash civ while picking a counter civ himself to pull it off. Rushing the extreme AI is basically cheesing it.
>>2130145The global queue is about the closest you'll get outside of diligence. It's a nice enough feature that I wish was present in more RTS.
>>2130273Or just do it like C&C does
>>2123317https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3xhquYn7Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3xhquYn7Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS3xhquYn7Q
>>2123317i hate the new dlcs, made a mod that added the tech tree to the control panel when the game came out in 2020. units were identical to the conquerors expansion except steppe lancers and vietnamese imperial skr, but since then they added so much bloat in the form of every civ having a unique normal unit and then unique imperial scouts for poles and then unique catapult for chinese and more bloat that made it not only a deformity of a once classic game but also a nightmare to maintain the mod with the distinct unit icons per civ>50 civsDO WE REALLY NEED 50+ civs???. NO, those jews only care about money selling dlcs, the game would still sell well without the dlcs but they need to justify some retards working on that scummy studio, I HATE FORGOTTEN EMPIRES
>>2130175He's saying if you learn bad habits that only work vs the AI's specific weakness you'll be at a disadvantage if you ever play against humans.
>>2130527I don't plan on playing against humans anytime soon tho
The individual Age4 music tracks aren't that great but the themes they assembled outside of them are pretty fantastichttps://youtu.be/PSRFcOuPxn4https://youtu.be/thoxhvza5ishttps://youtu.be/nOj4Stzu-owhttps://youtu.be/agSJC8zoo58https://youtu.be/FLRdrDbu83A
>>2130464Sir, that's not a Hera video or a SotL video. Please don't advertise your content creation here sir.
>>2130561Absolutely not. Uninspired bullshit. Incomparable to any actual AoE soundtrack.
>>2128326Celt>>2128270s have no answer to Mongols mangudai. Shu have no answer to high pierce armor units so they hard to goths.
These are the civ matchups for MongolsSay something nice about them
>>2130796Hindustanis I get, but what's so special about Shu? It's not like the white feather guard is any better against hussars than spearmen are and they die to mangudai the same.
18 JURCHEN SCOUTS IN MY WOODLINE AT ARABIA RANCHBIG HARD FORGED SWORDS WANTING TO BE SUCKEDSCOUTS IN MY WOODLINE AT ARABIA RANCHMY ENTIRE ECO ON ITS KNEES WANTING TO SUCK COCKHOT SCOUTS WITH BLOODLINES, THEIR SWORDS FORGED HARDORGY IN MY BERRIES AT ARABIA RANCHBIG HARD FORGED SWORDS RAMMING VILL BUTTSARABIA REALLY ROCKS
>>2130857https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woLbYqqXUsUThere are horses in my economy!
>>2130803Isn't it just war chariot ruhsing?
>>2130796More reasonable WR range than I expected.
>>2123446I know exactly who you are talking about but I don't remember the player's name
>>2123754Burgundians, my beloved
>>2123446darkelf
>>2130946Love how he pronounces Viper
>>2130946>>2131285Is he Spanish? Turkish?
>>2131288SpanishAlso he spoke out against SKG because he's a gachafag afraid gachaslop devs will just region lock Europe out of their games.
>>2131327>Also he spoke out against SKG because he's a gachafag afraid gachaslop devs will just region lock Europe out of their games.Another poor person who clearly didn't read SKG won't affect current games and it'd only affect new games
>you've singlehandedly decimated the rebellius Scottish army, obliterated the entire town of Berwick and stole some fancy pebble, effectively buckbreaking the Scot for the next 6 centuries>but it's FUNDAMENTAL you destroy that one archery range you missed along the way, can't win the mission otherwise broSurely with modern triggers and scripts, this kinda stuff can be avoided? Campaign is fine if a bit too easy, but some of these objectives are just very AoK-esque>>2131327Did he finally get tilted off the planet and FLUSHED AoE forever? I remember he got to 1.1k at some point, but nowadays he's gone back to those obscure MMOs he was obsessed with ages ago
Oh, fuck off, yeah right.
>>2129806Guess nobody else is autistic enough to use offline mode.......... so sad....
>>2131455Anon, I am sorry to tell you................. works on my machine
>>2131474How???
>>2131474Do you have the Microsoft/Xbox account popup when you earn your achievement? Maybe it stopped working for me when I disabled it.
>>2131370I think the AoK simplicity fits for a campaign tied to the tutorial. Nothing wrong with good ol' build-and-destroy either, and the Crusades missions was really good.
What makes AoE2 the absolute king of RTS?Nothing matches it the combined package of single player and multiplayerBut I will admit that blizzard RTS is the king of custom maps
>>2131539>what makes aoe2 a kingbeing that its full name was originally Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings, i think you have your answer.
There is no fucking way Thoros is a 1-sword difficulty campaign. I don't think I buy Tamar being 3 either. Did they mix the two up?
>>2131550man does anyone even pay attention to the swords
>>2131553your mom do
I wish my mom was into swords!
why does my faggot friend have to keep picking 3 chinkdom civs in our 1v1s? i dont wanna read their fucking techtrees and gimmicks, I DO NOT CAREi wish they would stop adding civs
>>2131576Bro it's not that hard
>>2131578I DONT CARE I DIDNT ASK FOR MORE CIVS, I DO NOT WANT MORE CIVS, I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO KEEP UPAND EVEN IF I DID READ THEM I WOULD FORGET WHICH CIV IS WHICH SINCE THEY ARE RETARDEDLY CALLED "wu shu chu Lu yu" HOW THE FUCK SHOULD I REMEMBER?
>>2131553In passing. I usually play them in order of difficulty.
>>2131579Ok geriatric calm down, maybe Play by Email is more your speed
>>2131596>calling someone geriatric>on an AoE dedicated thread
>>2131576It's not a big dealCalm down
Anyone up to team up against the extreme AI? We did it the other day in arena, but now I'm felling on doing it on Arabia.I'll post the code in about 5 mins.
>>2131603aoe2de://0/415586750415586750Just for fun match btw
>>2131598You can be a childhood aoe fan and still be 30People who complain about being unable to keep up with new civs are actual geriatrics
>>2131607I just don't wannaAnd the game doesn't need more bloating. It's got almost 40 civs added to it. It's time to stop.>b-but if we don't keep adding civs it will die!!!!relying on new content to retain attention is for shit games, AoE's not shit
>>2131576skill issue
>>2131610Go play AoE HD thenOr ask your friend really nicely to play Franks so you can keep things in AoK days
>>2131603>>2131605gg bro
How the fuck
>>2131642Moshi Moshi skill issue desu
I'm legitimately really looking forward to playing through all the AoE2 campaigns all over againWell...excluding V&V
>>2131642Research siege onagers before engaging the mongolsThen throw your entire army at them, let your army die, while back at your base you build siege onagers, halbs, skirms and a few monksKill as many mongols as you can before your base crumblesThen spam hussars until the mongol dies
Aw man, you actually have to visit Vinland in this new version to win? That's so disappointing. At least give me an achievement or something.>>2131647>Then throw your entire army at them, let your army dieHell no.
>>2131676Oh my Christ the Viking scenarios in V&V are such immense time wastes
>>2131680I like them. Finehair felt very good, Ironside was okay, Not Vinlandsaga is a fun little puzzle. Ragnar's the big boy, and I'm kinda mixed on it. I loved the original, but while some parts are better, other parts are worse. Haven't come close to finishing it yet, though.
This guy walks up to your TC with his 25 identical twins and slaps its assHow do your respond without sounding mad
>>2131762AWOESHIPETTI TENKE KOMELO
>>2131810TO?MARGARET?ICH VIER!POGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO POGOOOOOOOOOOO
>>2131815CONDON
>>2131817GOMENE WOIZA IKE OOOA!O!
>>2131818Swasti?
English should be split into english and house of lancasters and the house of lancaster should have longbows but better
How come no one is playing Rise of Rome? >basic bitch “get a win as X civ” almost all under 2%I understand the main game is more polished and varied, but do so many people really not give a single shit about Antiquity enough to try it out even once?
>>2131940if the next DLC isn't the Heptarchy I'm sending assassins after Cysion
>>2131940what an idea, anon
>>2131497You are very correct HOWEVERI am tremendously annoyed that in the very first mission they didn't give a charge attack to Edward who clearly has a big fucking lance but gave it to the other dude who uses a scout cav modelInexcusable
>>2123446>And then he would manually assign each one to gender-appropriate tasksI can see collecting berries as a gender appropiate task for the female villagers, but other than that wouldn't everything else be male focus?
>>2132003hoes can plow the fields
>>2132003Farming is something the whole family would take part in, so assigning women to it isn't inappropriate.
>>2132003What if I like my women to have a bit of muscle in them?
>>2131940They should split Britons into Lancaster, York and Tudor, all three civs should have exactly same tech and unit tree
Viking Arbalesters that high?what the fuck was spirit of the law thinking???
I tried to finish the Kurikara mission but I fell asleep
>>2132161u no rike make samurai?
>>2132038plenty of men do, a lot more common than you think
>>2132206Fucking faggot.
>>2123317they need to stop adding unnecesary civs, the game was already good, they really arent necessary and bloat to shit the overall experience
>>2132243what i mean is that in the past we had what? 14 civs??? all clear and distinct, now you have some literally who african on the same level of the mighty bizantines or franks, the original conception of the game went to shit with the bs bloat. we only wanted a remake of the engine NOT berbers or what the fuck is a jurchen??
>>2132244DISGUSTING, those literally who steppe giga niggers are on the same level of the persians or byzantines according to the trannyfaggots of forgotten empires
>>2132246they would supplant the Liao, anon, forming the Jin DynastyThe Jurchen would also be the later basis for the Manchu Qing dynasty as well
>>2132244ah yes, the "celts", "teutons" and "franks" which encompass people from half a continent and 700 years of time. Very distinct and organized.
>>2132243Yeah I hate it when my game has more optional content grrr, I exclusively play the original CDs so I can manually re-seed my farms and only play AoK and Conquerors campaigns
>>2132244>>2132246
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>>2132280>optionalit isnt optional, if you play mp you are playing against bs civs that casually are released unbalanced and always have the highest win rate first months after release, they even made franks kind of lame after so many reworks
>>2132147yeah i dont get it. most units in the list are just better than generic arbs, but he puts a unit that has moderate downsides and moderate upsides at #5.
>>2132389>>optional3 highest win rates are suspiciously all on the last 2 dlc released..... they sell pay to win civs while making the old classic ones irrelevant. developers are faggots
>>2132392a random player will have 10% more chance to win playing with the lastest unbalanced civs than with an absolute classic of aoe2 like the franks, amazing dev team. deforming a classic for cheap bucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcz0TPUpsaU>honorable mention>a bonus that DOESNT EVEN EXISTwhat the fuck is SOTL smoking these days?
>>2132392>ahhh these civs have a 2-4% higher winrate my balance is FUCKEDit's literally nothingall civs have peaks and troughs
>>2132410Find me any game with a choice of 50+ options that has a significantly tighter winrate distribution
>>2132414steel division 2
>>2132415Lmao
>>2132414thats the problem, they keep adding new civs creating a never ending balance problem (and justifying their job) instead of finishing balancing the existing civs and just maintaining it, if you check the classic civs are a lot more balanced. we dont need 50 civs, its a simple game from the late 90s, with the classic ones you have more than enough variety, they could release new games if they are a real development studio but they are scammers that need to milk the old cow instead of creating something original (they tried and failed)i insist, developers are faggots that are ruining a classic game for cheap bucks because they are worth shit
>>2132417I only play SP so I literally don't give a shit lol
I’m down with new civs, but only up to a point, and I think we’ve passed that. Especially with how they clearly feel like they need to keep pushing the envelope and making new civs more and more exotic. The Indians elephant gimmick worked, Armenian and Georgian churches and carts worked, but this Chinese stuff is just too much. Heroes, half a dozen regional units, toms of weird-ass mechanics, we’re straying too far from AoK. It feels like they could bring back that “raider” mechanic from the beta and have cavalry kidnap villagers in the next DLC, and that’s not a good feeling to have.
>>2132147>Uuuh, you see Viking arbalester is better against targets with high pierce armor and
>>2132397you have double-digit IQ.
>>2132147They get an extra attack which is rare. Attack is the next best stat after range and RoF if you would pay attention. Most arbalesters are extremely similar as you would understand if you watched the video.
>>2132472yeah i'll make a top 10 best videogames in the world and make the honorable mention a game that doesnt exist lol.
Misread the win conditions for the last Ismail mission and got fucking jumpscared by the victory screen. Ottomans got cut off in the middle of their speech about how he's gonna fuck shit up.Pretty good campaign, probably the best in this DLC.
>>2132476please do keep showing how profoundly retarded you are.
>>2132502i will. i hope you look forward to it in the future :)
>>2131676Wait is this a new version of Vinlandsaga?
>>2132514Yeah. It's one of the V&V scenarios. Was originally on the HD workshop as Valhalla's Edge.
>Chronicles tech trees still erroneously have Supplies listed>Text on the Achaemenid unique tech listings erroneously refers to the older versionsHow the hell do you overlook these?
>>2132579oh no what a travesty of a bug
>>2132392they all got nerfed in the last patch and the website hasn't updated the win rates post patch
>>2132359>When it transitions 21 seconds in
>>2132359>edgy avatar, Japanese as favourite civ, maths nerd>looks like a gigachad, never involved in any drama whatsoever, was a professor, even composes his own music for shits-n-gigglesBased SotL, the one e-celeb I can harbor no ill will towards
>>2132309I unironically wish he'd do a video investigating all the different horse breeds used by the various mounted units in the game
What makes a good campaign level?I feel like there's too many missions in AoEII that are basically just about building up until you're unbeatable and then steamrolling the whole enemy.
>>2130796I main Burmese and Mongols are one of my worst matchups. What am I missing?>+1-3 attack on infantryhelps MAA rush, later useless as they die to CA>cheap monk techsdie to CA or hussar spam>elephant armorbad against anyone who has access to even unupgraded pikemen (eg. not Turks)>Arambaibetter raw numbers but inaccurate and with 2 less range>siegeyeah...
>>2132859Ohh nvm I read the chart wrong. Yeah makes sense.
>>2132859Your main civ doesn't have a team bonus.
>>2132888Neither do Koreans, now that they nerfed mangos.
>haven't followed aoe4 for quite a while now>check the news>new dlc announced (coming out the same day as the fucking eu5, what could go wrong?)>it only features the fucking variant civsso they are just trying to kill this game off now, right?
>>2133017But they all look good?
>>2132397Hell would break loose if civ was introduced with that non-existant bonus
>>2133017I don't play 4 so I couldn't tell you what they think about it but judging by the comments on the trailer they're not liking it much that said it might not be representative as there's a couple of guys asking for AoE3 dlc in every single one of their comment sections and I'm pretty sure nobody played that trash even after it went F2P
>>2132744You're telling me an RTS is full of missions about growing in strength to defeat an enemy? That's preposterous
I've played through the campaigns of every "Age of" game except for AoE3I just really didn't like something about it
>>2132204I killed all the Taira army leaders but they didn't surrender.I destroyed every building in Kyoto, Kyoto resigned, I still didn't win.
>>2133081At its most basic and simplified, AoE is about a balance between improving your economy or making units.Campaign missions that allow you to stay in your base for 40 minutes, or force you to stay in your base for 40 minutes lest you trigger a scripted attack you're not ready for, are boring
>>2133066I think the gut reaction everyone had was "who cares about variant civs" but the community is coming around to them as they've actually read what they do.For example the india variant that gets rid of the scholars gimmick and gives you more elephants in return looks really fun.People are forgetting that the templars and lancasters DLC set a precedent for variant civs being interesting instead of being silly shit like "France but with Joan of Arc who fires a gun at people" or "China but Shaolin monks"
>>2133099>that allow you toThe game is as hard as you choose to make it. Force yourself to spend only 20 minutes in the base thenThe game "allows you to" play on easy or even use cheats
>>2133107I get what you mean but I prefer campaign missions that ask something challenging of me. Sure I can start attacking enemy castles and armies while I'm still in feudal but that's not going to be challenging in a way I would find fun.
>>2132744>>2133099Wonders, relics, time limits. Side objectives to get you out on the map before you’re ready to attack. Really thick defenses and strong enemies that mean you might get pushed back and have to regroup. You might be thinking that the enemy needs to be more aggressive. That’s usually not a good idea. I’ve played custom campaigns where the AI is as aggressive as it “should” be given it’s starting conditions, and holy fuck is it not fun. If your single player scenario feels like you need to cheese it or apply multiplayer tactics, you’ve done something very wrong.That said, to each their own. Maybe you’d like that sort of thing. I will say, however, if turtling up until you have an unstoppable deathball is boring to you, then why are you doing it? It’s single player. There’s no meta, there’s nobody judging you, play how you want.
>>2133138Look at it this way; objectively speaking, the best way to defeat 90% of the campaign super fortresses is to castle drop them. 10-20 vils, put it within range of a tower or something, they stream their entire army into it, you siege down their empty base and win. It’s easy, effective, and really fucking boring and obviously not how the game’s meant to be played. You can either demand every scenario be engineered to disallow this specific tactic that nobody likes, or just say to your self “that’s fucking lame and I’m not going to do it” and proceed to actually play the game and have fun.I do sympathize with wanting a challenge, mind you. I’m just not sure there’s a way to really guarantee it without making things aggressively unfun.
>>2133144>or just say to your self “that’s fucking lame and I’m not going to do it” and proceed to actually play the game and have fun.This is the correct choice in every game.
>>2133144Just so we're clear I'm not demanding anything I'm just reflecting on what makes a mission fun or boring
>>2133148Why is goku so mean
>>2133178I getcha.
>>2133181He gave the guy the perfect hot sauceThat's nice, no?
>>2133148KekAccurate
>yeah bro I love Age of Empires 2, the storylines are incredible!>boar luring? you mean like with scent attractants or with feeding stations? I don't understand hunting bro, I just play video games.>pushing deer? don't be mean, why are you assaulting those poor herbivores?>wait, there are hotkeys besides Attack-Move?>I just noticed an elephant takes up the same space as a single spearman, isn't that silly?>wololo!>micromanagement? I don't do that, I don't want my soldiers to feel like I'm always looking over their shoulder while they do their jobs>barracks? useless, those can't even build our special unit!>pocket player? oh you must be talking about age of empires mobile, them cellphones do indeed fit inside your pocket!>booming? yeah I love gunpowder too! Jan Žižka is my hero :salute emoji:
>>2133289>pocket player? oh you must be talking about age of empires mobile, them cellphones do indeed fit inside your pocket!I remember back in the early 2000s years before the iphone existed my cousin had a pocket computer with a touch screen that ran windows and could play age of empires for like 20 minutes before it ran out of batteries. I thought it was the coolest shit and couldn't wait for the technology to get better. how did the reality end up being so gay and stupid?
>>2133309but the tech DID get better, the steam deck is good
how do I get better at aoe2? I suck ass against normal difficulty skirmish AI and keep getting fucked in the campaigns on normal difficulty as well. is it a simple matter of continuing to bash my head into the wall until I git gud, or is there some secret zen technique that will unlock the ability to beat the AI easily?
>>2133342do you have gold on all the Art of War challenges?
>>2133148incoherent
>>2133357Legitimate question: are you not familiar with the terms SP and MP
>>2133342beat the William Wallace campaignwatch thishttps://youtu.be/ZSv2TR8h0sMand when you're playing the game always you have to remember to always be building villagers and never let them go idle and have a lot of them, at least half your population capthat should get you familiar with the basic mechanics and should be enough to get you to normal campaign level, after that I dunno complete those art of war challenges and keep playing
Armenian infantry does not care for pansy ass castles
>>2133289>>wololo!Reminder that this is an AOE1 line, not an AOE2 one.
>>2133377Wololo is a voice command taunt in AoE2, so its inclusion is entirely validRepent
>>2133377Wololo is also in 2, it would only have been wrong if it was "ERECTUS!" that's not in 2
>>2133377/30retard
>>2133380>>2133388While correct, let's not pretend that's the reason it's popular.
>>2132744Stuff like Tamerlane or Jadwiga, where you must overcome limitations and your strategy needs to be more elaborate than "just TC boom and spam units down a corridor", which was the case in 90% of AoK campaigns.Building an economy can be fun, but the "do these side objectives and you get X resources every few minutes" can also be enjoyable, removes the temptation to just sit back and boom; it's especially funny since when I was a kid I absolutely HATED the escort missions where you're just given some huge initial army (like Barbarossa 5) but nowadays I can appreciate them since they can be really interesting if done well.But I think a the main issue just boils down to the AI being a pain in the cock to fight against: I don't care if you use triggers or diplomacy or whatever, but shit like pic related turns a mission from "Wow this is interesting, I wonder how I'll tackle it" to "Eh gotta cheese it with towers, what a shame">11th century southern Italy, Robert Guiscard has to carve himself a small barony by exploiting the feuds between nearby warring factions>whole map is fully static, nobody actually does anything>as soon as you get a TC, Saracens begin trickling galleys and transports in your general directions>the pirates that supposedly "threaten all of Italy" will just make a beeline for your buildings no matter what>Saracens, Normans, Longobards and Byzantines will all happily fight alongside each other just to fuck with the playerYay I am truly immersed nowIt's like Dos Pilas, where you're supposed to be taking part in a much greater conflict but instead everyone is allied with everyone and nobody does anything except for raiding you
>>2133416>"Eh gotta cheese it with towers, what a shame"skill issue
>>2133371Wow rude
>>2133481It's normal behavior in hindu culture
>>2130796To be fair less than +6% winrate vs the weakest civ in the game just means they're very well balanced.
>>2133518You are brown
What civs do white people play?
>>2133884dravidans
>>2133884Celts and Armenians
>>2133884All of them, because if there's one thing white people love more than any other ethnicity it's dabbling in every culture on Earth
>>2133884all of them, usually just leaving it on randomthe FAVSTIAN SPIRIT compels the white man to always try new things and explore new tactics and gameplay, to understand game mechanics and engage with them on a creative levelonly servile races have the natural instinct of obediently following instructions from above, defaulting to a single safe and predictable civ and a 'build order' that doesn't require them to think or understand the game (a difficult task for lower IQ less creative races)
>>2133884bohemians
>>2133884Bulgarians.
>>2133342Idk how to help you, I was able to beat the hard AI with like less than 20 hours in the game with 0 RTS experience. Maybe you are playing the game with your brain on auto-pilot?
What the fuck are Gurjaras? What are they supposed to do? All their units suck, all their bonuses are side-grades.I don’t even want to play their campaign. This civ is just ass.
>>2133986It's a cavalry civ just make cavalry you motherfucker
>>2133351never did the art of war challenges>>2133363I'll check it out, thanks anon>>2133969I've beat all of the SC2 campaigns on hard as well as the hard skirmish AI so it's not like I have zero RTS experience, but I admit that SC2 is a much easier game than AoE2DE. It may be as simple as doing what the other anons suggested along with just playing more.
>>2133986It's "Counter units: the civ"
>>2134012>never did the art of war challengeswell, do themget gold on everything and that will prove you can do the basics
>>2133993Uh, they don't get knights?
>>2134028They're not byzantines. They wish.
>>2134092Wrong, Gurjaras are a bigger counter civ than Byzantines areFor reference, FU Gurjara Heavy Camels easily defeat FU Byzantine Elite Cataphract, 2500 gold 2500 food on each side, 41 camels vs 33 catas, and Chakrams fuck up both halbs and skirms; only differences is that Byz can turtle, Gurjaras cant
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>>2134100Why would byz make catas against gurjaras? They can just go arbs and rape.
>>2134125>Why would byz make catas against gurjaras?Catas can be used against most camels, except Gurjaras, is not uncommon to see>They can just go arbs and rape.Gurjaras will simply go protoss cavalry to rape your arbs, and chakrams can rape any supporting halbs and if they get meatshielded can still kill many arbsGurjaras are a better counter-civ than Byzantines. This is a fact.
>>2134028>>2134100Yeah, they're always been a counter civ by design, just in a different manner than Byzantines. But instead of trash, the emphasis is on gold counter units with camels and Indian Tron and Master Chief LARPers, the caveat is that nothing can be fully upgraded.
>>2134133What hard-counters Gurjaras?Infantry early game before they get Chakrams, then halbs and siege?
>>2134135I mean, in practice Gurjaras aren't anywhere as strong anymore and they're at the bottom if you're tierfagging. They do have a higher winrate against some cavalry civs, but seemingly lose often against infantry ones, yet interestingly Ethiopians are their worst matchup and they're an archer civ. Whether that's Royal Heirs and/or faster firing archers doing the legwork, I wouldn't know.Anyway, 2 of 3 key units being cavalry is one thing, also forcing engagements they can't take comfortably is another, since in practice somebody can't always expect to feasibly maintain a decent amount of every gold unit, even if two of them take the same techs. Denied gold is probably going to sting just as much as it does for Turks.
>>2134142>Whether that's Royal Heirs and/or faster firing archers doing the legwork, I wouldn't know.It's probably both, also Ethios do have SOs, BBCs and halbs, which destroys Gurjaras
>>2133416>to take control of Sicily, you must complete these secondary objectives to eventually assassinate the emirs deep inside their fortified cities>or you can just watch the emirs kill themselves on any random fortification in your baseYe I think something's fucked here>>2133443Didn't even build a single tower this time, it came with the turf>>2134142>Denied gold is probably going to sting just as much as it does for Turks.It does much more, at least Turks are guaranteed to get some value out of a small number of jannies/CA due to their nature as ranged units (and jannies needing no upgrades)Chakrams/camels can't touch xbows and are very situational, while shrivamshas just feel horrible in small numbers
so...Chronicles 2 when?
I would be happy buying new campaigns for the next 10 years with as many factions as they want while MP players scream and gnash their teeth at the balancing issues of 100 civs
>>2134646Glad the Hippeus was reworked into something that plays into the usage of Polemarchs better.
>>2134661samejust do better than 3 kingdoms slop tho.
>>2134669>the Hippeus was reworkedwhen?I haven't touched any Chronicles civ since completing the campaign
>>2134688Latest update changed a lot about the Battle for Greece civs. Apart from Hoplite changes, Spartans are the least changed other than a unique tech being fixed and another shuffling out the infantry bonus damage reduction for a higher cap on Hoplite armor stacking, but the Hippeus now gains increased aura buff effects from a Polemarch, so they'll attack much faster and also either move or regenerate quicker than other infantry.
>>2134691>increased auraFr? No cap?
>>2134691that's pretty coolI really liked sending out blobs of regenerating infantry as them
>>2134705I like to take the movement speed, but regeneration differentiates more and makes sense if you have to bunker down or don't have to move long distances. In any case it gives Hippeus a bit more niche as a bulky or bodyguard unit.>>2134692They be cooking
Bro who tf even plays as Portugal lmao
>>2134716me
>>2134716me.
>>2134734
>>2134716i do on water maps
a Burgundian boat killed my transport ship in Jeanne D'Arc 1 so I've ragequit the game and I have no further desire to play the campaigns again
>>2134782lol
>>2134782English hands typed this postreal aoe2 fans don't give up they beat her campaign and shed a single manly tear at the ending
>>2134790Psssh.
>>2134716t. Alberto Barbosa
>>2134816nós éramos reis e o caralho
nobody has ever completed every campaign in AoE II: DE in one go without any restarts
>>2133358SP = superpenisMP = multiple penises
>>213471620% gold discount is 20% gold discount
Anyone playing AoM retold?
>>2134790controversial opinion but I would have held her hands lewdly
>>2134965I haven't seen it mentioned in the thread for a while.
I like AoE4.
>>2135075Me too!
>>2134782Skill issue
>>2135053>>>/d/sicko
>>2134965I'd rather play AoM EE without the chinamen DLC instead.
Okay, but what civs should be added to AoEIV? Keeping with established norms, they should have existed between 900 - 1500 AD. Variants included.
>>2135286>Variants included.>>2127576
Are trebs inmune to bomber towers? I was playing against the extreme AI and it had a treb in range of 4 bomber towers of mine, I kept shooting at it but got 0 damage and it managed to destroy my castle unscattered.
>>2135456Sir it's called "bombard"
>>2135462I'm sorry brother, I'm ESL.My question still stands though, what happened there?
>>2135286bohemians with hand cannons
>>2135463Sir it has 150 piece armour
>>2135476NTA but Bombard Towers have 200 attack. They should at the very least be dealing 50 damage per cannonball to an unpacked Trebuchet.
>>2135456Trebs have fairly high pierce armor, of which BBTs deal. Those towers used to do melee damage back in AoK, which made counterplay complete AIDS without BBCs as even rams would be flattened.
>>2135551they have 120 attack
>>2135552I still have a strong mental image of a cannonball hitting a capped ram right on top of it and it going SPLAT like a Looney Tunes cartoon
>>2135551Sir you are hallucinating
Bumbard cannons!
Thoughts on Flemish Militia rushing? My 1400 mate says it's stupid good, much cheaper and faster to pump out compared to MAA and beats both MAA and Scouts and hits archer players before they can make any substantial army, and supposedly scales into Castle Age too.
>>2135286Spain, Poland, Bohemia (might be a HRE variant), Mesoamericans (choose one)
>>2135700I think its good, Auto upgrades on age up are nice too. not a long term unit, but when food is hard to come by and gold is plentiful its got a good window.
i am playing aoe3 campaign, i am about to destroy some cherokees.
