So apparently they are making a new one. Why is there no thread yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAPm8fIy5mghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsf2hN1rPEwyou may now call me a shill etc.
>>2126193What a dumb motherfucker. Also, you are a shill>>2123761
I'm not going to call you a shill, but I AM going to call you a drater for not even bothering to search the board for a thread.
>>2126204>>2126205>make a thread without title or mention in the body of what it is aboutyeah nah, you're a cunt
>>2126208yeah nah, you're blind
>>2126193https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNX0r1NEzAUWithin 1-10, how much copium?
>>2127469We are so back, warhammer bros
>From the same studio that gave us Iron Harvest
>>2126193>nuhammer primarisFUCKING WHY? Why can't they just ignore that dogshit lore and give us Space Marines?
>>2127763GW tells them what factions they get to play with.
>>2127763Nuhammer is straight out better than Oldhammer.Primaris are also much better than Firstborn.
>>2127779No baitin' in the thread!
>>2127763Is this your first toy commercial?
>>2126193The only thing I like the size difference between units, but on the other hand ground infantry can be barely seen compared to giant walkers and tanks. But that's about it, I have no hope for this game being good. This franchise was killed with the third game.
>>2127797IMO dow2 was less of an RTS game than dow3.Not sure why everyone says dow3 was a moba when in dow2 you literally control a hero unit and only a handful of support units. At least in 3 you control an army.
>>2127786Do you really think it is impossible that people exist who have opinions that are different from your own?
>>2126337whoever uses ghetto speak should have their teeth broken>>2127779you are entitled to your own opinion, but this is just objectively wrong
>>2127908newfag spotted
>>2127916if you're going to bait at least put in some effort
>>2127935OK, newfag spotted, lurk moar
>>2127762still better than DoW3
>>2127983You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>2126193>Nostalgia Bait: The Gamethis series peaked with the first game
>>2128271Which is why they are trying to replicate it with 4.Nothing wrong with that approach.
Who are these devs? I have never heard of them>t. loved 1, played 2, didn’t play 3
>>2128378Iron Harvest devs. It's gonna be shit.
>>2128385Doesn't have to be. At least its a dev team that knows RTS. Nothing wrong with Iron Harvest besides the technical inexperience the studio clearly had. Now it's like what, 5 years later?There's a good chance they have improved.
>>21283915 years of mobile game slop must have honed their skills, yeah.
>>2127779I genuinely don’t understand why this enrages neckbeards so much. Out of all the bullshit GW pulls and has pulled lately, the primaris really isn’t a big deal.
>>2128444Imo, the worst part of it is how it clashes tonally with the setting. Technology is stagnant and lost, humanity forgot how to produce half the shit they used to know how to make, treasured relics are irreplaceable and carefully passed down, new(er) shit is always watered down and weaker than older tech... oh shit look out here comes a bunch of amazing magical tech that puts everything to shame, I invented all of this cool new shit no one has ever seen before and everything is upgraded and shiny and new! Just seems fucking stupid to me. I don't know why GW didn't just release larger scale models of all the old shit, if that's all it was about.
>>2128447Yeah, it's this. It just doesn't feel plausible for the setting that it is. New shit just isn't how 40k works, the whole point of the setting is technological stagnation. Primaris would work in a setting like Star Wars where tech is still advancing (albeit slowly), it doesn't work in 40k.The fact that it's all done by one dude makes it worse. It could be a bit more plausible if they were like yeah, Mars' best magi have been working on this big project for ages but no, it's just one guy. Technological development at that kind of level doesn't work like that and if one dude could whip out this sort of thing you'd expect it to happen constantly.Also the new helmet designs suck.
can't wait to play this
>>2128444>Out of all the bullshit GW pulls and has pulled lately, the primaris really isn’t a big dealthey were just testing the waters with primaris, if people pressed them harder maybe we wouldn't have femstodes nowbut if we pressed them less, we might have gotten age of sigmar 2.0
eventually they will add female space marines
>>2128705Along with male battle sisters?
>>2126193https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pak97XkXdSc&t=328s&ab_channel=Gamzasorry but based boy already said it is gonna suck, chuds!
>>2128743Dude said that SpaceMarine2 would also suckOpinion discarded
>>2128786The more I play sm2 the more I'm torn>Warframe problem of melee and gunplay balanced differently>The end result manifests in melee sucking while staying back and shooting is 9/10 the better move because melee doesn't justify the speed at which your ass gets shot the fuck upIts bizarreAlso regarding guns>Only plasma, melta, and grenades have on demand stunMaking the bolters dogshit since>Sustained fire weapons rely on no stun and time on targetWhile every enemy spams evade vs sustained ranged fireLike what on earth were they thinking
>>2128786to be fair it kinda does
>>2128786But SM2 sucks.If it was any other game without 40k theme and Space Marines in it it would be completely medicore game.Gears of War 20 years earlier were far better TPS with far more mechanics.Vanquish 15 years earlier did super soldier TPS theme 10 times better than SM2.Space Marine 1 did Space Marine theme better than Space Marine 2.I do not know what braindead zoomers like SM2.
>>2128850it was shilled HARD on every single social network they use, to the point there are now warhammer lore channels on tiktok and instagram and half the "lore" is just sensationalist nonsense>DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL REASON THE EMPIRE (not imperium) HATES XENOS IS BECAUSE DURING THE GREAT CRUSADE THE ORKS NEARLY KILLED THE EMPEROR?>SO THIS IS THE CRAZIEST THING ABOUT WARHAMMER YOU KNOW HOW SPACE MARINES WEAR THEIR POWER ARMOR ALL THE TIME? WELL IF THEY GET WOUNDED THEY GET PLACED IN A MECH, HOW COOL IS THAT?!?!>I GET THAT THIS IS LIKE A DARK FUTURE BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE TO USE COGS AND CANDLES ALL THE TIME? WHERE IS THE TECH?I get brain damage just by remembering it
>>2128444kys shill
>>2128786>nooooooo you have to consume my favourite toy mediathe average 40soy fa/tg/uy everyone
>>212956140k is so mainstream now it might as well be considered normalfag media
>>2127813In 3 you control a hero unit, you have a scroll of town portal, you have a fortify spell, the map has lanes, it has towers, and you have to unlock the ability to attack the enemies Ancie- I mean HQ.It has all the moba aspects of 2, and the adds more.
>>2129735Yeah and units are too weak to hero's abilities, it's pretty much seals the deal.
dawn of war 4 prob won't let you upload your custom banners and badges in multiplayer
Have any of the ecelebs they gave the demo to done a breakdown of all the mechanics compared to 1 and 2?
>>2129881Well, there are army abilities, same shit from 2. Squads come out in full sizes, but you can replenesh them everywhere and there is a retreat button from 2.Covers are more simple, whole unit gets bonus to protection. There are bunkers you can build and units can go inside.Well, there are tech buildings and tech to research and apparently tech is free but it takes a long time to research stuff. Some examples like more armour and faster point capture.You can equip squads with different weapons as well, and there might be an option to upgrade this chosen weapon further. And you can upgrade commanders as well. Commanders also way weaker than DoW3 commanders.Requisition and Power is back, you need to capture points to get these resources and you can build additional generatiors for power points.Seems like Space Marines can build anywhere and their buildings build themselves, but they build slower more further from HQ.Necrons spread creep and Admech build in their own power field, like protoss. Orks drop buildings too but I don't know how this is different from Space Marines.There is also a unit cap of 300, all released footage barely show even 150 cap.Overall it seems like a huge mash of DoW1 and DoW2 mechanics with more leaning towards 1. Although visual design resembles DoW3 the most, but at least it's doesn't presents itself as a gookclicker.
>>2129881None, they all churned out curated dev videos.It'll be a while until devs will let Jewtubers post their own videos.It's basically DOW1 with DOW3 paintjob.
>>2129834wtf I love the 8th Cadian now
>>2129912>apparently tech is freewhats the fucking point
>>2129958Well, it's either pre-alpha thingy or it's because they want you to use some specific tech in your opening. Eceleb said it takes 3 minutes at average for stuff to research.
>No EldarIt's unironically over for Space Elves, isn't it?
If they have any sort of mod support, I'd be very surprised.That being said, no mod support, no buy.
>>2128391>At least its a dev team that knows RTShard to believe with how shit iron harvest was
>>2129834good, I don't want to see any memeshit in my games
>>2129965They will be in TW:40k and Dark HeresyAnd obviously will be here as well if game sells good enough to have dlcs
>>2130039Was there a single 40k strategy for PC past decade that doesn't have faction DLCs?
>>2130051Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 had every faction in a base game. This fucked them over since they had nothing to make dlcs out of since BFG has limited potential. Then it got only Chaos campaign dlc, but Chaos was a faction in a base game already, which was honestly a mistake and was apparently boring just like Nid and Necron base game campaigns. Imperium campaign was cool since you had few factions to make fleets out of. Ynnari campaign would be a better idea since you would get to use 3 factions (Craftworld, Corsair and Deldar) just like Imperium did, on top of having really different gameplay, but it never happened.Game was abandoned after this and they went to make that Aliens: Dark Descent RTT game
>>2130053>Game was abandoned after this and they went to make that Aliens: Dark Descent RTT gameWhich would have been perfect for some DLC but that also never came to pass.
>>2129912>there is a retreat button from 2casualization and its consequences>Necrons spread creepwhat? why?
>>2130104>Necrons spread creep>what? why?Well, I guess they wanted to represent their slow expansion style that way, forcing them to only build in places they control. Actually it's called Necron Matrix, you spread it everywhere. The more you spread, the more resources you get to build and equip units.
>>2126193Why is he doing the basedjack face?
>>2130165pretty sure he's older than the memeor most people itt>>2130132that makes more sense, got me confused for a moment I tried to imagine necrons with literal zerg/undead creep
>>2130176>literal zerg/undead creepYeah I should have been more clear.
>>2130053Every faction was in the base game because it would have been retarded to release a sequel with less content than the predecessor (which is what so many modern games try anyways).The problem was just that their publisher went through some kind of financial trouble and stabbed the devs in the back. They made a grudgepost about it a while back. They were almost forced to abandon development of the DLC and had to rush it out to avoid the window closing on them, and were forced to abandon the game immediately after because they no longer had the rights for it. There were lots of future plans for the game including DLCs and the initial release was financially successful. They just got fucked by their publisher.
>>2129881The game is basically DoW1 again with a fresh coat of paint. Just about the only thing borrowed from 2 is global abilities, which they're repurposing as a vehicle for Stratagems from tabletop.Which is honestly fine? I think DoW2 was a genuinely good game but it's the kind of ambitious design that requires a really talented dev to pull off. I wouldn't trust any modern developer to make a DoW2 2 as good as what DoW2 was. DoW1's model is much more conventional, and thus harder to fuck up.
>>2130245>DoW1's model is much more conventional, and thus harder to fuck upSomehow Relic managed that. Now it's basically studio with a single RTS and bunch of mobile games. That doesn't bode well.
>>2130254DoW3 wasn't following DoW1's model. It was following League of Legend's model.
>>2130245>ambitious designwhats ambitious about small army sizes and stripping away every mechanic you can think of
>>2130314>you control a small number of units>but the combat effectiveness of those units varies radically based on their positioning, they each have 2-4 upgrade options and 1-3 active abilities which constitute the vast majority of their combat effectiveness>these units must be split across a wide map with a dozen control points and 3 victory points that must be fought over to control simultaneously.In principle the concept is 'what if you had fewer units but had way more buttons to press to control each unit and had to multitask to manage multiple combats at different places simultaneously.'It's pretty unique in that it's designed entirely around combat micro and space control, to the extent that your economy has relatively little impact on the strength of the army you field outside of your opponent's ability to tax you over the course of a match by killing units or destroying your generators. As opposed to most RTS where your build order and macro-efficiency means one side is always hitting the field with a stronger army come first engagement. Before CoH1 and DoW2, there was nothing really like that. Their success (as well as the fact that DoW2 was given away to eastern europeans for free) spawned an entire genre of (mostly slavjank) micro-oriented RTTs.
>>2130326its the same shit in dow1 you just have more
>>2130326>but the combat effectiveness of those units varies radically based on their positioning,Lol if only DoW2 had this crap developed correctly.Earth2160 had positioning with front armour and back armour on tanks getting different damages and where you could equip these with different armour against different weapons.And it was full RTS.DoW2 on the other hand was watered down DoW1 where the whole positioning bullshit was really crap. It would have worked better if it was RTT with single units and with real cover mechanics like in RTT games. But Relic did not know what they wanted to do with DoW2. To make it RTS, RTT, RPG or top-down twinstick shooter.
>>2127763Its the same shit
>>2128724No nigger.Same way girl guides are still all female but boy scouts allow both boys and girls.
>>2128786It did suck.First game was mediocre as fuck too. I think people just forgot.
>>2130535Because one is a WW1 holdover meant to condition children into military service and the other is church baking class?
>>2130541No. Because one was for boys and the other was for girls
>>2128456>The fact that it's all done by one dude makes it worseIt would have been so much more thematic of Belisarius Cawl to have uncovered, even more or less single-handedly, a pristine manufactorum full of Archeotech buried deep under some planet and spent thousands of years adapting that.That way we GW could still have got their new models to sell in a way that was consistent with the setting.But respecting the fluff and being capable of good writing are not things that GW does, really.
Can we preorder already?
>>2128786SM2 is woke trash.
>>2131736don't you dareif you preorder I'm coming over to your house to molest you
>>2131748
>>2131890This guy preorders
>>2131890I am going to kill you.
>>2131890Kek. Cucked
>>2131890lol
Is it possible to play the game in Offline Mode on Steam?Not asking in general, if you have the game installed, try it if it works for you.
>>2132748are you high?
>>2131890CEASE
>>2130559The primaris should have had some sort of drawback, space marine geneseed are already prone to instability even with the Emperor and every big genious working on it, Cawl work should definitely have some drawback. The burning alive is good start though.>>2131890This action does not have my consent
>>2132777Nopehttps://app.bugsplat.com/browse/crashInfo.php?vendor=hopper&version=2.1.0.38%20(CL%204199009)&id=99999999&row=31829I got linked to this when the game crashed for me as soon as I started it in Steam/Offline. I don't know if this is based on previous report or they immediately AI generated it based on my report though.Unless you were amazed at the the fact that Steam has an Offline mode.
>>2132748>>2132805another win for GOG chads
>>2132841I wouldn't get the VETERAN discount on GOG though!!!
>>2132805>>2132748how are you playing a game that has not been released yet?
>>2132931Bro? Everyone in this thread is playing Dawn of War DE except you
>>21261934th time's the charm
>>2132962You are just trolling right? You are not actually this retarded right?
>>2132995Are you trolling? Literally nobody knows what you're on about, schizo
>>2132962>Bro? Everyone in this thread is playing Dawn of War DE except youAre there /vst/ lobbies or game nights or something?I'd love to get some matches going.
>>2133437lol
Can you rebind camera controls in DE?I'm not using the fucking arrow keys.
>>2134268you can't rebind hotkeys at all. It's one of its greatest flaws
>>2134272By the Emperor...
>>2128743>nitpicking over lore shit of a trailer, because mechanicus kills a necrondoes he do that with dow1 intro too?
>>2128799Once you get the hammer melee was the best way to kill everything up to the final bossI don't know what you are on about
>>2134268>>2134272yes you can
just won a 2 hour FFA by attrition via free slugga boyz and using my infinite resources to place settlements and waagh banners in every inch of the map, feels good
>>2134603We always played dow1 with gridkeys back in the day. Now I’m used to wasd camera controls like everyone else. What do…
if u use wasd for camera, u gimp yourself.
>>2128743>omg is he le hecking not using real military tacticsOf all the franchises he makes this complaint about he chooses 40k. The setting where everyone is an evil retard for no reason and lore consistency doesn't exist.
>>2134793The dow1 intro is a pithy illustration of the settings feel.>lord commander, we’ve lost our heavy support, our fortified position is about to be overran. What do?>fuck it, we counter-charge… uphill. For da Emp’rah!Based.
I never put Flamers on any units. It just gets them killed and the suppossed "morale" damage it does is pointless.Why have flamers at all when I can have two squads of plasma guns, one heavy bolter and one missile?
>>2134980Flamers are cheaper and it's first upgrade you can get. Problem is they are also not very good. Or good at all. The only time I remember flamers being good is Possed Squad, gives them "ranged" attack option and wargear for Chaos Lord in Soulstorm campaign. Heavy flamer might be good. But by the point you get them it's a waste.
>>2134980Flamers can be good in a niche build for 1v1 multiplayer. In an even fight, breaking enemy morale tanks their damage output, forcing them to flee or die. I don’t generally use them but they’re not useless.
>>2134980>the suppossed "morale" damage it does is pointless.holy fucking clueless
>>2134625based waaagh enjoyerone of the most fun matches I ever played went exactly like that too
It looks nice but C&C-style RTS. Booooooooooooooooooooooooring.
>>2128743Good thing you timestamped it at the retarded nitpick, thus allowing me to pin him as a complete idiot without wasting any time.
>>2128444Because it's blatant "buy the new shit, we are phasing out the shit you already bought".Which already is a tough pill to swallow in cheap hobbies, and a really tough one for a hobby that cost thousand of bucks and untold hours of painting.
>>2135857doesnt play anything like cnc
>>2135857did you ever play C&C to make that claim? Because you either didn't, or you're having a stroke
>>2135988>>2135995Correct me if I'm wrong but it's a small closed map, you build buildings which produce units and you are trying to kill enemy bases. How is this not the classic RTS formula? There might be some extra fluff but the core gameplay looks very similar and that begs the question: Why bother. This stuff was already seen at the turn of the millenium.
>>2136019Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still. What's the point apart from the WH40k skin? What's the novelty?
>>2136021>Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still"But still"? First DoW game and later Company of Heroes were the most serious attempts in 00s to move away from C&C/WarCraft RTS formula of 90s. It's like you were to compare a modern first person shooter to Quake, and when eyebrows were raised replied "or I guess Call of Duty is closer whatever". Rather inconsiderate of you.>What's the point apart from the WH40k skin? What's the novelty?Should there absolutely be novelty? First game was released 21 years ago, second one 16 years ago (third one doesn't count), and they are still well liked and well remembered, despite their flaws. I think that's reason enough. Or literally any game should be novel or otherwise it has no raison d'être?
>>2136019>How is this not the classic RTS formula?you don't collect resources, you capture points on the map which generate requisiton points and defend them to keep the generation goingyou don't produce units, you produce unit squads which can be replenished in the fieldthis is not the classic RTS formula, it's a blend of tactics and strategy. Very different gameplay from C&C in practice>Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still.C&C is nothing like company of heroes, you're comparing apples to oranges
>>2136038>the most serious attempts in 00s to move away from C&C/WarCraft RTS formula of 90sSure but they are essentially still the same.>Or literally any game should be novel or otherwise it has no raison d'être?Yes, This is the issue. I already played CoH to death so a reskin is is pointless from my perspective.
>>2134980Broken morale halves the ranged damage a unit does, and doubles the melee damage they take.Early on, scouts with sniper rifles can break enemies for assault marines to kill.Of course, this strategy doesn’t work against high morale units, and once the enemy can outmuscle the assault marines or kill the scouts, you should have already transitioned into a better unit like a dreadnought or Grey Knights.
How do I deal with IG grenade spam as Tau?Obviously Fire Warriors autolose and the commander only tickles them.Tried spamming Kroot to get in close, they just die. Same with Vespids.Can't reach T2 for devilfish before getting run down.Is the answer just "lose"?
>>2136224vehicles, turrets, upgraded listening points
>>2136235>vehiclesI lose before I can reach T2 + build a vehicle bay + build a vehicle, and even then my choices do not beat 3+ full squads of grenades>turretsTau has no defensive structures>upgraded listening pointsOutranged by grenades, pushing = deathSo you're saying the only option is lose?
>>2136224what? don't fire warriors just mow down guardsmen with zero effort?also might want to try that commander snare ability, bait them first then freeze and kill themand use your commander to harass him early, every LP delayed is one grenade squad less
>>2136242>what? don't fire warriors just mow down guardsmen with zero effort?They're made of paper mache and grenades ragdoll them all around. Usually one dies on the first grenade volley alone, before they even finish setting up to fire.And remember, this is during the first five minutes of the game, so I can count the number of fire warrior models I have on one hand. They spawn in groups of three, cost 210 to build and 70 to reinforce vs 160+20 for a Guard. The numbers don't add up.>also might want to try that commander snare ability, bait them first then freeze and kill themThey can still fire while in snare, and even then, it's a christmasland scenario where I need to hope 2+ squads of grenadiers all walk into a trap while my guys are still alive.>and use your commander to harass him early, every LP delayed is one grenade squad lessThis is post-harass. By this point in the game I've usually killed either a generator or LP with my vespids. So, the solution is to hope my opponent is fully retarded? I'm asking how to beat competent opponents.
>>2136248oof, this must be soulstorm because tau were a lot scarier in dcmaybe you just weren't aggressive enough with your commander? do you give him a flamer and keep his squads broken? iirc he should be immune to grenade knockdown so the only thing that can actually threaten him early game is the command squadand mind your positioning, if you know he has grenades don't lump your fws together and keep them in cover as much as possibleI don't know how experienced you are, so I'm throwing basic advice aroundif you can, share a replay or two so people can pick your games apart and figure out what you need
>>2136242grenade guardsmen were always really good at early-mid game, there is not a whole lot you can do other than tie them up in melee or out-tech them.if you can rush for the skyray barrage you can delete 4 squads. Early game tau can be really weak if the opponent knows to keep pushing you, you gotta find the opportunity to get resource advantage somehowdesu i dont really know myself, would a shield drone work? Maybe stealth suit schenanigans?>>2136235tau listening posts are terrible and they got no turrets
So I play DoW:DE since release and I got my hands on Iron Harvest yesterday for 5$.And I do not see why are people shitting themselves that DoW4 will be bad because Iron Harvest is bad.Iron Harvest's most problematic thing is fucked up cover system (which will not be the same in DoW4) and barebones base building like in CoH2.The rest of the gameplay is OK and will fit DoW theme nicely if they do proper basebuilding and squad reinforcing.Only thing I would say should really go is UI with all regiments seen at bottom. It is completely unnecessary and stupid when you have too many regiments.
>>2136870>t. played the game for 15 minutes and only vs easy AIthe game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the map
>>2136907And DoW4 will have mines?
>>2136907>>2136918PS. Iron Harvest is based on Scythe in which you also avoid combat for most game and just capture resources.
>>2136918no, but it will have devs who don't understand the genre or what makes it good
Speaking of mines, does anyone use Mine Fields in DoW 1? I swear I've seen no-one but me build them.
>>2137088they are very situational but having a bunch of infantry like guardsmen or orks run into them is very satisfying
>>2137088I use sometimes when I have too much resources and map has a chokepoint where enemy will surely wander into them.>>2137036ah apparently you are just contrarian retard seething at everything just to seethe. Surely the main problem for you will be population cap and camera zoom like all total annihilation retards who shit over every single RTS forums with their shitty demands for game to be next total annihilation.
>>2137116>Surely the main problem for you will be population cap and camera zoomno you dumb fucking nigger, I already explained why iron harvest is bad and why therefore the devs don't understand the genre. Shut the fuck up and go back where you came from
>>2137136yeah you explained iron harves is bad because it is bad and you do not like it. There was completelu no objective argument against iron harvest.While the only thing against iron harvest is cover mechanics and stupid AI. The rest of the game works fine. Only retards like you think otherwise. If IH was bad they wouldn't get DoW4.
>>2137146Iron harvest was bad because it was a pointless CoH clone. DaW4 will be bad because it will be a pointless CoH clone. Maybe they should use their game studio for creating something new instead.
>>2137146No, it really didn't.Damage models were wonky and inconsistent, art direction was poor, story was absolutely terrible.
>>2137146please explain how did you arrive at>yeah you explained iron harves is bad because it is bad and you do not like it.from this:>the game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the mapyou must be the dumbest, niggerest monkey in all of reddit
>>2137088I played an FFA recently where a guards player spent the entirity of his time in the match building up a massive minefield in front of his base and turtling behind it. in the end it didnt save him from destruction but when i first tried to go after him moving over the mines fucked up my army and he backted it up with grenades and basilisks so the option was to get artilleried or die goin thru the minesof course it was futile cause he only had the cap points in his base but mines can be good if youre persistent i guessi think most people dont bother is cause the game encourages going on offense
>>2137213>>2137231none of this is objective opinion about why the game is bad. It is your subjective opinion that you did not like the gameplay or artstyle it does not address any objective issues with the game.And calling any DoW game a CoH clone as a problem, while in fact DoW since number 1 is CoH - this clearly shows how stupid you are. Why are you even in this thread if you are not interested in the series? Are you masochist? Or just profoundly retarded?
>>2137477>none of this is objective opinion about why the game is bad.
>Play campaign remastered>Hard AI>It can't play the game on even a basic level, doesn't tech up properly, complete pushover.
>>2137529Oh you are from reddit, that explains your illiteracy. What are your pronouns while at it I do not want to offend xir further?>the game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the mapIt is not a flaw and not a fundamental. It is just a gameplay you do not like.Fundamental flaw would be if you had to win game by controling points but it would be easier to just kill enemy. Or if you still had to take points after eliminating every enemy on the map.And avoiding combat + capturing mines is exactly how Scythe boardgame, which inspired Iron Harvest, is played despite having armies, mechs and zeppelins on board. So again it is not a flaw, and definitely not fundamental. It is purposefully made gameplay that you do not like. And you can not like this gameplay. Yet it is not flawed fundamentally. You have to learn what some words mean before you jump into discussion with grown ups.
>>2137622>It is not a flaw and not a fundamental. It is just a gameplay you do not like.
>>2137669thank you for sharing with us your photo but YWNBAW.
Just played DE or DoW1 Multiplayer for the first time since I was a kid.I won 5 outta 5 as IG, man this game feels pretty good despite the age.
>>2137088I should try to use them next time I play. I do think part of the problem is that how useful they'd be is entirely army dependent (both you and your enemy). If I remembered they existed, they'd probably work best against Sisters or Chaos when playing Guard since the enemy is less likely to be expecting an infiltrated unit and detectors would be slightly less common. If I remember right mines also don't work against infiltrated units because the mines are "attacking" the enemy.>>2137213There's also the fact that many of the mech units were unresponsive as hell because half the time they were stuck in some kind of animation that left you unsure if the unit was ever going to act. It was a CoH clone that learned none of the lessons from CoH 1 or 2. I think the most damning anecdote I could give about the game is that the arrival of a T-70 in CoH2 feels more impactful than a mech showing up in IH.
>>2137766How does the DE handle having all the games in one? Can you pick "vanilla dow1" ruleset, and "WA ruleset", and so on, or is it all just smeared into Soulstorm?
>>2137853As far as I can tell, its all the campaigns, but skirmish and MP is Sovlstorm
>>2137853Campaigns are unchanged, skirmish is Soulstorm only, haven't touched the MP, but I would assume it's the same as skirmish.
>>2137862>>2137881That’s disappointing. I didn’t care for DC and never played Soulstorm, that might kill the DE for me.
>>2137891If you won't serve on the frontline, you will serve on the fireing line!*KABLAM*
>>2137766had a legit games were better back in my day moment with the rerelease. I can't get over how fucking great this game is and how nothing like it is made in current year. it felt so surreal going into a multiplayer lobby for an rts as the host tells someone "ready up loser"
Okay.... lost 5 games in a row, and it felt like I couldn't do anything.Uh... what am I supposed to do vs Sisters or SM as IG? They just run me down.
>>2138542footjobs
>>2138542im a random picker with one strategy per army but i would say if ur not getting grenades asap get them. also if you find yourself being pushed back utilize your bunkers. IG are an army with decent defense and if you move your guys into an infantry post or other building you save so much req you would have spent reinforcing. i think conceptually IG gameplay simulates WW1 where you push forward while building your front line bases behind the push to fall back to. their turrets early game are also some of the best and can buy you some time until vehicles
The Imps took Gorgutz starting province and I cannot for the life of me outfight them. They have such insane numbers and even if I play as Space Marines I can't break through them. I'm playing on Normal too.
>>2139090STORM 'EM!
>Spend forever waiting for enough Requisition to maximise a horde of Stealthsuits>The Baneblade melts in secondsFuckin' worth it.
>>2138542Grenade spam and sentinel spam scares me as an SM
How do you counter early game Grenade Launcher? It fucking shreds even SMI guess early SM should have more Assault Marines + Commander?
>>2139561tying them up in melee is your best bet. hard part is theyre guard so theyll probably have more squads so you gotta commit to melee.
>>2139561I got cooked by this SM player who started double assault marines then just flew into my base and decapped my points before I even could access GLs
>>2139906If SM can get two assault squads fly to your base and decap them (so he needs to destroy listening post - right?) before you can get GLs then you are clearly not playing the game correctly.
>>2139920I've only played for two days. But my idea was to build listening posts on the points outside my base, which usually is a good idea vs Tactical blob.
>no guard on launchcomplete not buy for me, I refuse to pay extra for the best faction
>>2139923it wasnt on launch for 1 or 2 either
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>>2139922So the guy who has to build barracks + tech building can get two full suqads of assualt marines and go through whole map to you.While in the same time you cannot get barracks + tech building to get equip your guardsmen (which you do not need to train again like SM has to) with grenade launchers?And you build listening posts everywhere and upgrade them if you can as they increase your income. Plus after building listening post you get ~50% requisition back instantly. You have to build listening posts everywhere you can. Unless you want to starve yourself.
>>2139954No, he had just 2 squads of 5man Assault marines, and he refused to fight my 3 fully squaded Guardsmen, he just decapped and ran away until he was tier 2 and I was still in Tier 1.I fought him the very next game and then he tried to decap my base points with scouts, but I fought them off and wiped them. That game was alot closer, It was a back and forward until I wiped his force commander and a squad of tacticals. I got my mech depot up and got 2x Hellhounds and 3 Chimeras up, but he then counterattacked with Grey Knights who then just tanked 3 squads of guardsmen, all my mech without taking a loss then rocket launcher tac's wiped my mechanized units.I don't really understand how to deal with power armored factions, they just bleed me dry on requisition, If I go grenade launchers I will get out tech'd, If I rush tech I get ran over by flamer squads or melee squads.
>>2130326>slavjank micro-orientated RTTs>I know of Men of War, but what else?
Im not very impressed, its also made by the Iron Harvest guys
I really think DoW 4 will bomb for a few reasons.First and foremost, Nu-Hammer is shit, looks like shit and plays like shit.Secondly, I guarantee they won't have any real mod support to speak of, probably coded in such a way to minimize what the user can change.Third, the studio behind it just isn't talented at all. Iron Harvest was their only other title that wasn't mobile slop and it was mixed at best.Really, they couldn't find ANY other RTS devs? Eugene too busy being French and retarded? Relic too busy going under?
>>2141323>he wants relic anywhere near another RTS
>>2127779>>2127763Can someone explain why the Primaris hate? Aren't they basically just taller and less prone to mutations smurf marines?
>>2141548Bigger Batman
>>2141548
Damn I've played Iron Harvest lately and it is a completely medicore game with campaign that bored me to death (didn't even finish it) due to how horribly boring and bland the gameplay is.And looking at gameplay pieces they posted online and youtubers playing it it looks like DOW4 will be just reskin of IH which is reskin of COH2. Which looks bad.
>Ork AI just shits out 3 squads of Sluggas before I could capture my first Req point, and this is me building a Scout first before any additional ServitorWhat? I mean I managed to push them back with rushing Force Commander, but at this point they already killed at least 1 model of my Scouts or 1 Servitor
Good SM options against Chaos Defiler spam + Grenade Launchers?
>>2143737landspeeder tempests w/ krak maybe? throw in some assault marines to take care of the nadesIf too much to approach you might actually build a whirlwind
>>2143737dreadnoughts
>>2143737Push hard in T1 when it's just cultists. Try to pick off heretics early, especially if they are already weak from forced labor. Assault marines can be helpful either tying up cultists, bashing LP/gens or hunting heretics. Chaos has to sacrifice quite a few resources to tech up and get out the machine pit, give them as little breathing room as possible before that happens.
Most straight forward faction with units that doesn't require setup time or planting themselves, fewer active abilities and more passives?
>>2147212necrons
is it already too late to play definitive edition?
>>2149461Prob for multiplayer yea. The player numbers dropped significantly.
>>2141323Mod support has zero to do with DoW1s success most people who rmemeber fondly didn't even know it had mods. Mods became important later.And Nu-hammer is more popular than old hammer ever was. So that's fucking stupid point too.
wegh
>>2149751
So IG's is pretty much just Guardsmen + Command Squad as backbone? The Karskin having limit of 1 squad is really weird, considering they have the same weapons as Guardsmen?
>>2149644>Mod support has zero to do with DoW1s successEverything to do with DoW 1's remasters Success thoughever>And Nu-hammer is more popular than old hammer ever was.Warhammers success is largely in spite of actions from GW, not because.
>>2149751>Fury, Industrial Production & Spaceport are the easiest maps ever regardless of the enemy's reinforcement level>Enhanced Manpower & Bulwark are standard skirmishes>Forward Base is downright fuckimpossible if it's held by OrksRelic pls
>>2150240I imagine the only reason Enhance Manpower and Bulwark didn't get cut completely is that it would have meant redoing the map graphic
>>2145475If bitch Scouts can survive drop pods, Eldar can too, to be honest.
>>2141323>Nu-Hammer is shit, looks like shit and plays like shit.Space Marine 2 was successful
>>2149534It's got twice as many people than coh3 right now and you can get coh games in like 5 minutes.
>>2127763I mean we knew this already anon, Space Marine 2 was also shitmaris. That's just the way of things now, there might be a mod eventually. >>2139090I remember something like this happening when I last played Dark Crusade, except it was the guard taking the Necrons starter. 8 billion grenade launchers from 2 minutes into the game and even with max honor guard I couldn't break through. Must be some sort of weird oversight/bug, they probably should have made it so no faction ever successfully takes a headquarters.
