>>2126193
What a dumb motherfucker. Also, you are a shill
>>2123761

I'm not going to call you a shill, but I AM going to call you a drater for not even bothering to search the board for a thread.

>>2126204
>>2126205
>make a thread without title or mention in the body of what it is about
yeah nah, you're a cunt

>>2126208
yeah nah, you're blind

>>2126193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNX0r1NEzAU
Within 1-10, how much copium?

>>2127469
We are so back, warhammer bros

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>From the same studio that gave us Iron Harvest

>>2126193
>nuhammer primaris
FUCKING WHY? Why can't they just ignore that dogshit lore and give us Space Marines?

>>2127763
GW tells them what factions they get to play with.

>>2127763
Nuhammer is straight out better than Oldhammer.
Primaris are also much better than Firstborn.

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>>2127779
No baitin' in the thread!

>>2127763
Is this your first toy commercial?

>>2126193
The only thing I like the size difference between units, but on the other hand ground infantry can be barely seen compared to giant walkers and tanks. But that's about it, I have no hope for this game being good. This franchise was killed with the third game.

>>2127797
IMO dow2 was less of an RTS game than dow3.
Not sure why everyone says dow3 was a moba when in dow2 you literally control a hero unit and only a handful of support units. At least in 3 you control an army.

>>2127786
Do you really think it is impossible that people exist who have opinions that are different from your own?

>>2126337
whoever uses ghetto speak should have their teeth broken
>>2127779
you are entitled to your own opinion, but this is just objectively wrong

>>2127908
newfag spotted

>>2127916
if you're going to bait at least put in some effort

>>2127935
OK, newfag spotted, lurk moar

>>2127762
still better than DoW3

>>2127983
You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>2126193
>Nostalgia Bait: The Game
this series peaked with the first game

>>2128271
Which is why they are trying to replicate it with 4.
Nothing wrong with that approach.

Who are these devs? I have never heard of them
>t. loved 1, played 2, didn’t play 3

>>2128378
Iron Harvest devs. It's gonna be shit.

>>2128385
Doesn't have to be. At least its a dev team that knows RTS. Nothing wrong with Iron Harvest besides the technical inexperience the studio clearly had. Now it's like what, 5 years later?
There's a good chance they have improved.

>>2128391
5 years of mobile game slop must have honed their skills, yeah.

>>2127779
I genuinely don’t understand why this enrages neckbeards so much. Out of all the bullshit GW pulls and has pulled lately, the primaris really isn’t a big deal.

>>2128444
Imo, the worst part of it is how it clashes tonally with the setting. Technology is stagnant and lost, humanity forgot how to produce half the shit they used to know how to make, treasured relics are irreplaceable and carefully passed down, new(er) shit is always watered down and weaker than older tech... oh shit look out here comes a bunch of amazing magical tech that puts everything to shame, I invented all of this cool new shit no one has ever seen before and everything is upgraded and shiny and new! Just seems fucking stupid to me. I don't know why GW didn't just release larger scale models of all the old shit, if that's all it was about.

>>2128447
Yeah, it's this. It just doesn't feel plausible for the setting that it is. New shit just isn't how 40k works, the whole point of the setting is technological stagnation. Primaris would work in a setting like Star Wars where tech is still advancing (albeit slowly), it doesn't work in 40k.

The fact that it's all done by one dude makes it worse. It could be a bit more plausible if they were like yeah, Mars' best magi have been working on this big project for ages but no, it's just one guy. Technological development at that kind of level doesn't work like that and if one dude could whip out this sort of thing you'd expect it to happen constantly.

Also the new helmet designs suck.

can't wait to play this

>>2128444
>Out of all the bullshit GW pulls and has pulled lately, the primaris really isn’t a big deal
they were just testing the waters with primaris, if people pressed them harder maybe we wouldn't have femstodes now
but if we pressed them less, we might have gotten age of sigmar 2.0

eventually they will add female space marines

>>2128705
Along with male battle sisters?

>>2126193
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pak97XkXdSc&t=328s&ab_channel=Gamza
sorry but based boy already said it is gonna suck, chuds!

>>2128743
Dude said that SpaceMarine2 would also suck

Opinion discarded

>>2128786
The more I play sm2 the more I'm torn
>Warframe problem of melee and gunplay balanced differently
>The end result manifests in melee sucking while staying back and shooting is 9/10 the better move because melee doesn't justify the speed at which your ass gets shot the fuck up
Its bizarre
Also regarding guns
>Only plasma, melta, and grenades have on demand stun
Making the bolters dogshit since
>Sustained fire weapons rely on no stun and time on target
While every enemy spams evade vs sustained ranged fire
Like what on earth were they thinking

>>2128786
to be fair it kinda does

>>2128786
But SM2 sucks.
If it was any other game without 40k theme and Space Marines in it it would be completely medicore game.
Gears of War 20 years earlier were far better TPS with far more mechanics.
Vanquish 15 years earlier did super soldier TPS theme 10 times better than SM2.
Space Marine 1 did Space Marine theme better than Space Marine 2.
I do not know what braindead zoomers like SM2.

>>2128850
it was shilled HARD on every single social network they use, to the point there are now warhammer lore channels on tiktok and instagram
and half the "lore" is just sensationalist nonsense
>DID YOU KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL REASON THE EMPIRE (not imperium) HATES XENOS IS BECAUSE DURING THE GREAT CRUSADE THE ORKS NEARLY KILLED THE EMPEROR?
>SO THIS IS THE CRAZIEST THING ABOUT WARHAMMER YOU KNOW HOW SPACE MARINES WEAR THEIR POWER ARMOR ALL THE TIME? WELL IF THEY GET WOUNDED THEY GET PLACED IN A MECH, HOW COOL IS THAT?!?!
>I GET THAT THIS IS LIKE A DARK FUTURE BUT WHY DO THEY HAVE TO USE COGS AND CANDLES ALL THE TIME? WHERE IS THE TECH?
I get brain damage just by remembering it

>>2128444
kys shill

>>2128786
>nooooooo you have to consume my favourite toy media
the average 40soy fa/tg/uy everyone

>>2129561
40k is so mainstream now it might as well be considered normalfag media

>>2127813
In 3 you control a hero unit, you have a scroll of town portal, you have a fortify spell, the map has lanes, it has towers, and you have to unlock the ability to attack the enemies Ancie- I mean HQ.
It has all the moba aspects of 2, and the adds more.

>>2129735
Yeah and units are too weak to hero's abilities, it's pretty much seals the deal.

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dawn of war 4 prob won't let you upload your custom banners and badges in multiplayer

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Have any of the ecelebs they gave the demo to done a breakdown of all the mechanics compared to 1 and 2?

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>>2129881
Well, there are army abilities, same shit from 2. Squads come out in full sizes, but you can replenesh them everywhere and there is a retreat button from 2.
Covers are more simple, whole unit gets bonus to protection.
There are bunkers you can build and units can go inside.
Well, there are tech buildings and tech to research and apparently tech is free but it takes a long time to research stuff. Some examples like more armour and faster point capture.
You can equip squads with different weapons as well, and there might be an option to upgrade this chosen weapon further. And you can upgrade commanders as well. Commanders also way weaker than DoW3 commanders.
Requisition and Power is back, you need to capture points to get these resources and you can build additional generatiors for power points.
Seems like Space Marines can build anywhere and their buildings build themselves, but they build slower more further from HQ.
Necrons spread creep and Admech build in their own power field, like protoss. Orks drop buildings too but I don't know how this is different from Space Marines.
There is also a unit cap of 300, all released footage barely show even 150 cap.
Overall it seems like a huge mash of DoW1 and DoW2 mechanics with more leaning towards 1. Although visual design resembles DoW3 the most, but at least it's doesn't presents itself as a gookclicker.

>>2129881
None, they all churned out curated dev videos.

It'll be a while until devs will let Jewtubers post their own videos.

It's basically DOW1 with DOW3 paintjob.

>>2129834
wtf I love the 8th Cadian now

>>2129912
>apparently tech is free
whats the fucking point

>>2129958
Well, it's either pre-alpha thingy or it's because they want you to use some specific tech in your opening. Eceleb said it takes 3 minutes at average for stuff to research.

>No Eldar
It's unironically over for Space Elves, isn't it?

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If they have any sort of mod support, I'd be very surprised.
That being said, no mod support, no buy.

>>2128391
>At least its a dev team that knows RTS
hard to believe with how shit iron harvest was

>>2129834
good, I don't want to see any memeshit in my games

>>2129965
They will be in TW:40k and Dark Heresy
And obviously will be here as well if game sells good enough to have dlcs

>>2130039
Was there a single 40k strategy for PC past decade that doesn't have faction DLCs?

>>2130051
Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 had every faction in a base game. This fucked them over since they had nothing to make dlcs out of since BFG has limited potential. Then it got only Chaos campaign dlc, but Chaos was a faction in a base game already, which was honestly a mistake and was apparently boring just like Nid and Necron base game campaigns. Imperium campaign was cool since you had few factions to make fleets out of. Ynnari campaign would be a better idea since you would get to use 3 factions (Craftworld, Corsair and Deldar) just like Imperium did, on top of having really different gameplay, but it never happened.

Game was abandoned after this and they went to make that Aliens: Dark Descent RTT game

>>2130053
>Game was abandoned after this and they went to make that Aliens: Dark Descent RTT game
Which would have been perfect for some DLC but that also never came to pass.

>>2129912
>there is a retreat button from 2
casualization and its consequences
>Necrons spread creep
what? why?

>>2130104
>Necrons spread creep
>what? why?
Well, I guess they wanted to represent their slow expansion style that way, forcing them to only build in places they control. Actually it's called Necron Matrix, you spread it everywhere. The more you spread, the more resources you get to build and equip units.

>>2126193
Why is he doing the basedjack face?

>>2130165
pretty sure he's older than the meme
or most people itt
>>2130132
that makes more sense, got me confused for a moment
I tried to imagine necrons with literal zerg/undead creep

>>2130176
>literal zerg/undead creep
Yeah I should have been more clear.

>>2130053
Every faction was in the base game because it would have been retarded to release a sequel with less content than the predecessor (which is what so many modern games try anyways).

The problem was just that their publisher went through some kind of financial trouble and stabbed the devs in the back. They made a grudgepost about it a while back. They were almost forced to abandon development of the DLC and had to rush it out to avoid the window closing on them, and were forced to abandon the game immediately after because they no longer had the rights for it.

There were lots of future plans for the game including DLCs and the initial release was financially successful. They just got fucked by their publisher.

>>2129881
The game is basically DoW1 again with a fresh coat of paint. Just about the only thing borrowed from 2 is global abilities, which they're repurposing as a vehicle for Stratagems from tabletop.

Which is honestly fine? I think DoW2 was a genuinely good game but it's the kind of ambitious design that requires a really talented dev to pull off. I wouldn't trust any modern developer to make a DoW2 2 as good as what DoW2 was. DoW1's model is much more conventional, and thus harder to fuck up.

>>2130245
>DoW1's model is much more conventional, and thus harder to fuck up
Somehow Relic managed that. Now it's basically studio with a single RTS and bunch of mobile games. That doesn't bode well.

>>2130254
DoW3 wasn't following DoW1's model. It was following League of Legend's model.

>>2130245
>ambitious design
whats ambitious about small army sizes and stripping away every mechanic you can think of

>>2130314
>you control a small number of units
>but the combat effectiveness of those units varies radically based on their positioning, they each have 2-4 upgrade options and 1-3 active abilities which constitute the vast majority of their combat effectiveness
>these units must be split across a wide map with a dozen control points and 3 victory points that must be fought over to control simultaneously.
In principle the concept is 'what if you had fewer units but had way more buttons to press to control each unit and had to multitask to manage multiple combats at different places simultaneously.'

It's pretty unique in that it's designed entirely around combat micro and space control, to the extent that your economy has relatively little impact on the strength of the army you field outside of your opponent's ability to tax you over the course of a match by killing units or destroying your generators. As opposed to most RTS where your build order and macro-efficiency means one side is always hitting the field with a stronger army come first engagement. Before CoH1 and DoW2, there was nothing really like that. Their success (as well as the fact that DoW2 was given away to eastern europeans for free) spawned an entire genre of (mostly slavjank) micro-oriented RTTs.

>>2130326
its the same shit in dow1 you just have more

>>2130326
>but the combat effectiveness of those units varies radically based on their positioning,
Lol if only DoW2 had this crap developed correctly.
Earth2160 had positioning with front armour and back armour on tanks getting different damages and where you could equip these with different armour against different weapons.
And it was full RTS.
DoW2 on the other hand was watered down DoW1 where the whole positioning bullshit was really crap. It would have worked better if it was RTT with single units and with real cover mechanics like in RTT games. But Relic did not know what they wanted to do with DoW2. To make it RTS, RTT, RPG or top-down twinstick shooter.

>>2127763
Its the same shit

>>2128724
No nigger.
Same way girl guides are still all female but boy scouts allow both boys and girls.

>>2128786
It did suck.
First game was mediocre as fuck too. I think people just forgot.

>>2130535
Because one is a WW1 holdover meant to condition children into military service and the other is church baking class?

>>2130541
No. Because one was for boys and the other was for girls

>>2128456
>The fact that it's all done by one dude makes it worse
It would have been so much more thematic of Belisarius Cawl to have uncovered, even more or less single-handedly, a pristine manufactorum full of Archeotech buried deep under some planet and spent thousands of years adapting that.
That way we GW could still have got their new models to sell in a way that was consistent with the setting.
But respecting the fluff and being capable of good writing are not things that GW does, really.

Can we preorder already?

>>2128786
SM2 is woke trash.

>>2131736
don't you dare
if you preorder I'm coming over to your house to molest you

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>>2131748

>>2131890
This guy preorders

>>2131890
I am going to kill you.

>>2131890
Kek. Cucked

>>2131890
lol

Is it possible to play the game in Offline Mode on Steam?

Not asking in general, if you have the game installed, try it if it works for you.

>>2132748
are you high?

>>2131890
CEASE

>>2130559
The primaris should have had some sort of drawback, space marine geneseed are already prone to instability even with the Emperor and every big genious working on it, Cawl work should definitely have some drawback. The burning alive is good start though.
>>2131890
This action does not have my consent

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>>2132777
Nope
https://app.bugsplat.com/browse/crashInfo.php?vendor=hopper&version=2.1.0.38%20(CL%204199009)&id=99999999&row=31829
I got linked to this when the game crashed for me as soon as I started it in Steam/Offline. I don't know if this is based on previous report or they immediately AI generated it based on my report though.

Unless you were amazed at the the fact that Steam has an Offline mode.

>>2132748
>>2132805
another win for GOG chads

>>2132841
I wouldn't get the VETERAN discount on GOG though!!!

>>2132805
>>2132748
how are you playing a game that has not been released yet?

>>2132931
Bro? Everyone in this thread is playing Dawn of War DE except you

>>2126193
4th time's the charm

>>2132962
You are just trolling right? You are not actually this retarded right?

>>2132995
Are you trolling? Literally nobody knows what you're on about, schizo

>>2132962
>Bro? Everyone in this thread is playing Dawn of War DE except you
Are there /vst/ lobbies or game nights or something?
I'd love to get some matches going.

>>2133437
lol

Can you rebind camera controls in DE?
I'm not using the fucking arrow keys.

>>2134268
you can't rebind hotkeys at all. It's one of its greatest flaws

>>2134272
By the Emperor...

>>2128743
>nitpicking over lore shit of a trailer, because mechanicus kills a necron
does he do that with dow1 intro too?

>>2128799
Once you get the hammer melee was the best way to kill everything up to the final boss
I don't know what you are on about

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>>2134268
>>2134272

yes you can

just won a 2 hour FFA by attrition via free slugga boyz and using my infinite resources to place settlements and waagh banners in every inch of the map, feels good

>>2134603
We always played dow1 with gridkeys back in the day. Now I’m used to wasd camera controls like everyone else. What do…

if u use wasd for camera, u gimp yourself.

>>2128743
>omg is he le hecking not using real military tactics
Of all the franchises he makes this complaint about he chooses 40k. The setting where everyone is an evil retard for no reason and lore consistency doesn't exist.

>>2134793
The dow1 intro is a pithy illustration of the settings feel.
>lord commander, we’ve lost our heavy support, our fortified position is about to be overran. What do?
>fuck it, we counter-charge… uphill. For da Emp’rah!
Based.

I never put Flamers on any units. It just gets them killed and the suppossed "morale" damage it does is pointless.

Why have flamers at all when I can have two squads of plasma guns, one heavy bolter and one missile?

>>2134980
Flamers are cheaper and it's first upgrade you can get. Problem is they are also not very good. Or good at all. The only time I remember flamers being good is Possed Squad, gives them "ranged" attack option and wargear for Chaos Lord in Soulstorm campaign. Heavy flamer might be good. But by the point you get them it's a waste.

>>2134980
Flamers can be good in a niche build for 1v1 multiplayer. In an even fight, breaking enemy morale tanks their damage output, forcing them to flee or die. I don’t generally use them but they’re not useless.

>>2134980
>the suppossed "morale" damage it does is pointless.
holy fucking clueless

>>2134625
based waaagh enjoyer
one of the most fun matches I ever played went exactly like that too

It looks nice but C&C-style RTS. Booooooooooooooooooooooooring.

>>2128743
Good thing you timestamped it at the retarded nitpick, thus allowing me to pin him as a complete idiot without wasting any time.

>>2128444
Because it's blatant "buy the new shit, we are phasing out the shit you already bought".
Which already is a tough pill to swallow in cheap hobbies, and a really tough one for a hobby that cost thousand of bucks and untold hours of painting.

>>2135857
doesnt play anything like cnc

>>2135857
did you ever play C&C to make that claim? Because you either didn't, or you're having a stroke

>>2135988
>>2135995
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's a small closed map, you build buildings which produce units and you are trying to kill enemy bases. How is this not the classic RTS formula? There might be some extra fluff but the core gameplay looks very similar and that begs the question: Why bother. This stuff was already seen at the turn of the millenium.

>>2136019
Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still. What's the point apart from the WH40k skin? What's the novelty?

>>2136021
>Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still
"But still"? First DoW game and later Company of Heroes were the most serious attempts in 00s to move away from C&C/WarCraft RTS formula of 90s. It's like you were to compare a modern first person shooter to Quake, and when eyebrows were raised replied "or I guess Call of Duty is closer whatever". Rather inconsiderate of you.
>What's the point apart from the WH40k skin? What's the novelty?
Should there absolutely be novelty? First game was released 21 years ago, second one 16 years ago (third one doesn't count), and they are still well liked and well remembered, despite their flaws. I think that's reason enough. Or literally any game should be novel or otherwise it has no raison d'être?

>>2136019
>How is this not the classic RTS formula?
you don't collect resources, you capture points on the map which generate requisiton points and defend them to keep the generation going
you don't produce units, you produce unit squads which can be replenished in the field
this is not the classic RTS formula, it's a blend of tactics and strategy. Very different gameplay from C&C in practice
>Or I guess Company of heroes is closer but still.
C&C is nothing like company of heroes, you're comparing apples to oranges

>>2136038
>the most serious attempts in 00s to move away from C&C/WarCraft RTS formula of 90s
Sure but they are essentially still the same.
>Or literally any game should be novel or otherwise it has no raison d'être?
Yes, This is the issue. I already played CoH to death so a reskin is is pointless from my perspective.

>>2134980
Broken morale halves the ranged damage a unit does, and doubles the melee damage they take.
Early on, scouts with sniper rifles can break enemies for assault marines to kill.
Of course, this strategy doesn’t work against high morale units, and once the enemy can outmuscle the assault marines or kill the scouts, you should have already transitioned into a better unit like a dreadnought or Grey Knights.

How do I deal with IG grenade spam as Tau?
Obviously Fire Warriors autolose and the commander only tickles them.
Tried spamming Kroot to get in close, they just die. Same with Vespids.
Can't reach T2 for devilfish before getting run down.
Is the answer just "lose"?

>>2136224
vehicles, turrets, upgraded listening points

>>2136235
>vehicles
I lose before I can reach T2 + build a vehicle bay + build a vehicle, and even then my choices do not beat 3+ full squads of grenades
>turrets
Tau has no defensive structures
>upgraded listening points
Outranged by grenades, pushing = death

So you're saying the only option is lose?

>>2136224
what? don't fire warriors just mow down guardsmen with zero effort?
also might want to try that commander snare ability, bait them first then freeze and kill them
and use your commander to harass him early, every LP delayed is one grenade squad less

>>2136242
>what? don't fire warriors just mow down guardsmen with zero effort?
They're made of paper mache and grenades ragdoll them all around. Usually one dies on the first grenade volley alone, before they even finish setting up to fire.
And remember, this is during the first five minutes of the game, so I can count the number of fire warrior models I have on one hand. They spawn in groups of three, cost 210 to build and 70 to reinforce vs 160+20 for a Guard. The numbers don't add up.
>also might want to try that commander snare ability, bait them first then freeze and kill them
They can still fire while in snare, and even then, it's a christmasland scenario where I need to hope 2+ squads of grenadiers all walk into a trap while my guys are still alive.
>and use your commander to harass him early, every LP delayed is one grenade squad less
This is post-harass. By this point in the game I've usually killed either a generator or LP with my vespids.

So, the solution is to hope my opponent is fully retarded? I'm asking how to beat competent opponents.

>>2136248
oof, this must be soulstorm because tau were a lot scarier in dc
maybe you just weren't aggressive enough with your commander? do you give him a flamer and keep his squads broken? iirc he should be immune to grenade knockdown so the only thing that can actually threaten him early game is the command squad
and mind your positioning, if you know he has grenades don't lump your fws together and keep them in cover as much as possible
I don't know how experienced you are, so I'm throwing basic advice around
if you can, share a replay or two so people can pick your games apart and figure out what you need

>>2136242
grenade guardsmen were always really good at early-mid game, there is not a whole lot you can do other than tie them up in melee or out-tech them.

if you can rush for the skyray barrage you can delete 4 squads. Early game tau can be really weak if the opponent knows to keep pushing you, you gotta find the opportunity to get resource advantage somehow

desu i dont really know myself, would a shield drone work? Maybe stealth suit schenanigans?

>>2136235
tau listening posts are terrible and they got no turrets

So I play DoW:DE since release and I got my hands on Iron Harvest yesterday for 5$.
And I do not see why are people shitting themselves that DoW4 will be bad because Iron Harvest is bad.
Iron Harvest's most problematic thing is fucked up cover system (which will not be the same in DoW4) and barebones base building like in CoH2.
The rest of the gameplay is OK and will fit DoW theme nicely if they do proper basebuilding and squad reinforcing.
Only thing I would say should really go is UI with all regiments seen at bottom. It is completely unnecessary and stupid when you have too many regiments.

>>2136870
>t. played the game for 15 minutes and only vs easy AI
the game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the map

>>2136907
And DoW4 will have mines?

>>2136907
>>2136918
PS. Iron Harvest is based on Scythe in which you also avoid combat for most game and just capture resources.

>>2136918
no, but it will have devs who don't understand the genre or what makes it good

Speaking of mines, does anyone use Mine Fields in DoW 1? I swear I've seen no-one but me build them.

>>2137088
they are very situational but having a bunch of infantry like guardsmen or orks run into them is very satisfying

>>2137088
I use sometimes when I have too much resources and map has a chokepoint where enemy will surely wander into them.

>>2137036
ah apparently you are just contrarian retard seething at everything just to seethe. Surely the main problem for you will be population cap and camera zoom like all total annihilation retards who shit over every single RTS forums with their shitty demands for game to be next total annihilation.

>>2137116
>Surely the main problem for you will be population cap and camera zoom
no you dumb fucking nigger, I already explained why iron harvest is bad and why therefore the devs don't understand the genre. Shut the fuck up and go back where you came from

>>2137136
yeah you explained iron harves is bad because it is bad and you do not like it. There was completelu no objective argument against iron harvest.
While the only thing against iron harvest is cover mechanics and stupid AI. The rest of the game works fine. Only retards like you think otherwise. If IH was bad they wouldn't get DoW4.

>>2137146
Iron harvest was bad because it was a pointless CoH clone. DaW4 will be bad because it will be a pointless CoH clone. Maybe they should use their game studio for creating something new instead.

>>2137146
No, it really didn't.
Damage models were wonky and inconsistent, art direction was poor, story was absolutely terrible.

>>2137146
please explain how did you arrive at
>yeah you explained iron harves is bad because it is bad and you do not like it.
from this:
>the game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the map
you must be the dumbest, niggerest monkey in all of reddit

>>2137088
I played an FFA recently where a guards player spent the entirity of his time in the match building up a massive minefield in front of his base and turtling behind it. in the end it didnt save him from destruction but when i first tried to go after him moving over the mines fucked up my army and he backted it up with grenades and basilisks so the option was to get artilleried or die goin thru the mines
of course it was futile cause he only had the cap points in his base but mines can be good if youre persistent i guess
i think most people dont bother is cause the game encourages going on offense

>>2137213
>>2137231
none of this is objective opinion about why the game is bad.
It is your subjective opinion that you did not like the gameplay or artstyle it does not address any objective issues with the game.
And calling any DoW game a CoH clone as a problem, while in fact DoW since number 1 is CoH - this clearly shows how stupid you are.
Why are you even in this thread if you are not interested in the series? Are you masochist? Or just profoundly retarded?

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>>2137477
>none of this is objective opinion about why the game is bad.

>Play campaign remastered
>Hard AI
>It can't play the game on even a basic level, doesn't tech up properly, complete pushover.

>>2137529
Oh you are from reddit, that explains your illiteracy. What are your pronouns while at it I do not want to offend xir further?
>the game is fundamentally flawed because it encourages you to avoid combat and capture mines while roaming the map
It is not a flaw and not a fundamental. It is just a gameplay you do not like.
Fundamental flaw would be if you had to win game by controling points but it would be easier to just kill enemy. Or if you still had to take points after eliminating every enemy on the map.
And avoiding combat + capturing mines is exactly how Scythe boardgame, which inspired Iron Harvest, is played despite having armies, mechs and zeppelins on board.
So again it is not a flaw, and definitely not fundamental. It is purposefully made gameplay that you do not like. And you can not like this gameplay. Yet it is not flawed fundamentally. You have to learn what some words mean before you jump into discussion with grown ups.

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>>2137622
>It is not a flaw and not a fundamental. It is just a gameplay you do not like.

>>2137669
thank you for sharing with us your photo but YWNBAW.

Just played DE or DoW1 Multiplayer for the first time since I was a kid.
I won 5 outta 5 as IG, man this game feels pretty good despite the age.

>>2137088
I should try to use them next time I play. I do think part of the problem is that how useful they'd be is entirely army dependent (both you and your enemy). If I remembered they existed, they'd probably work best against Sisters or Chaos when playing Guard since the enemy is less likely to be expecting an infiltrated unit and detectors would be slightly less common. If I remember right mines also don't work against infiltrated units because the mines are "attacking" the enemy.

>>2137213
There's also the fact that many of the mech units were unresponsive as hell because half the time they were stuck in some kind of animation that left you unsure if the unit was ever going to act. It was a CoH clone that learned none of the lessons from CoH 1 or 2. I think the most damning anecdote I could give about the game is that the arrival of a T-70 in CoH2 feels more impactful than a mech showing up in IH.

>>2137766
How does the DE handle having all the games in one? Can you pick "vanilla dow1" ruleset, and "WA ruleset", and so on, or is it all just smeared into Soulstorm?

>>2137853
As far as I can tell, its all the campaigns, but skirmish and MP is Sovlstorm

>>2137853
Campaigns are unchanged, skirmish is Soulstorm only, haven't touched the MP, but I would assume it's the same as skirmish.

>>2137862
>>2137881
That’s disappointing. I didn’t care for DC and never played Soulstorm, that might kill the DE for me.

>>2137891
If you won't serve on the frontline, you will serve on the fireing line!

*KABLAM*

>>2137766
had a legit games were better back in my day moment with the rerelease. I can't get over how fucking great this game is and how nothing like it is made in current year. it felt so surreal going into a multiplayer lobby for an rts as the host tells someone "ready up loser"

Okay.... lost 5 games in a row, and it felt like I couldn't do anything.
Uh... what am I supposed to do vs Sisters or SM as IG? They just run me down.

>>2138542
footjobs

>>2138542
im a random picker with one strategy per army but i would say if ur not getting grenades asap get them. also if you find yourself being pushed back utilize your bunkers. IG are an army with decent defense and if you move your guys into an infantry post or other building you save so much req you would have spent reinforcing. i think conceptually IG gameplay simulates WW1 where you push forward while building your front line bases behind the push to fall back to. their turrets early game are also some of the best and can buy you some time until vehicles

The Imps took Gorgutz starting province and I cannot for the life of me outfight them. They have such insane numbers and even if I play as Space Marines I can't break through them. I'm playing on Normal too.

>>2139090
STORM 'EM!

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>Spend forever waiting for enough Requisition to maximise a horde of Stealthsuits
>The Baneblade melts in seconds
Fuckin' worth it.

>>2138542
Grenade spam and sentinel spam scares me as an SM

How do you counter early game Grenade Launcher? It fucking shreds even SM
I guess early SM should have more Assault Marines + Commander?

>>2139561
tying them up in melee is your best bet. hard part is theyre guard so theyll probably have more squads so you gotta commit to melee.

>>2139561
I got cooked by this SM player who started double assault marines then just flew into my base and decapped my points before I even could access GLs

>>2139906
If SM can get two assault squads fly to your base and decap them (so he needs to destroy listening post - right?) before you can get GLs then you are clearly not playing the game correctly.

>>2139920
I've only played for two days. But my idea was to build listening posts on the points outside my base, which usually is a good idea vs Tactical blob.

>no guard on launch
complete not buy for me, I refuse to pay extra for the best faction

>>2139923
it wasnt on launch for 1 or 2 either

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i apologize for the grammar

>>2139922
So the guy who has to build barracks + tech building can get two full suqads of assualt marines and go through whole map to you.
While in the same time you cannot get barracks + tech building to get equip your guardsmen (which you do not need to train again like SM has to) with grenade launchers?

And you build listening posts everywhere and upgrade them if you can as they increase your income. Plus after building listening post you get ~50% requisition back instantly. You have to build listening posts everywhere you can. Unless you want to starve yourself.

>>2139954
No, he had just 2 squads of 5man Assault marines, and he refused to fight my 3 fully squaded Guardsmen, he just decapped and ran away until he was tier 2 and I was still in Tier 1.

I fought him the very next game and then he tried to decap my base points with scouts, but I fought them off and wiped them. That game was alot closer, It was a back and forward until I wiped his force commander and a squad of tacticals. I got my mech depot up and got 2x Hellhounds and 3 Chimeras up, but he then counterattacked with Grey Knights who then just tanked 3 squads of guardsmen, all my mech without taking a loss then rocket launcher tac's wiped my mechanized units.

I don't really understand how to deal with power armored factions, they just bleed me dry on requisition, If I go grenade launchers I will get out tech'd, If I rush tech I get ran over by flamer squads or melee squads.

>>2130326
>slavjank micro-orientated RTTs>
I know of Men of War, but what else?

Im not very impressed, its also made by the Iron Harvest guys

I really think DoW 4 will bomb for a few reasons.
First and foremost, Nu-Hammer is shit, looks like shit and plays like shit.
Secondly, I guarantee they won't have any real mod support to speak of, probably coded in such a way to minimize what the user can change.
Third, the studio behind it just isn't talented at all. Iron Harvest was their only other title that wasn't mobile slop and it was mixed at best.

Really, they couldn't find ANY other RTS devs? Eugene too busy being French and retarded? Relic too busy going under?

>>2141323
>he wants relic anywhere near another RTS

>>2127779
>>2127763
Can someone explain why the Primaris hate? Aren't they basically just taller and less prone to mutations smurf marines?

>>2141548
Bigger Batman

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>>2141548

Damn I've played Iron Harvest lately and it is a completely medicore game with campaign that bored me to death (didn't even finish it) due to how horribly boring and bland the gameplay is.
And looking at gameplay pieces they posted online and youtubers playing it it looks like DOW4 will be just reskin of IH which is reskin of COH2. Which looks bad.

>Ork AI just shits out 3 squads of Sluggas before I could capture my first Req point, and this is me building a Scout first before any additional Servitor
What? I mean I managed to push them back with rushing Force Commander, but at this point they already killed at least 1 model of my Scouts or 1 Servitor

Good SM options against Chaos Defiler spam + Grenade Launchers?

>>2143737
landspeeder tempests w/ krak maybe? throw in some assault marines to take care of the nades
If too much to approach you might actually build a whirlwind

>>2143737
dreadnoughts

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>>2143737
Push hard in T1 when it's just cultists. Try to pick off heretics early, especially if they are already weak from forced labor. Assault marines can be helpful either tying up cultists, bashing LP/gens or hunting heretics.
Chaos has to sacrifice quite a few resources to tech up and get out the machine pit, give them as little breathing room as possible before that happens.

Most straight forward faction with units that doesn't require setup time or planting themselves, fewer active abilities and more passives?

>>2147212
necrons

is it already too late to play definitive edition?

>>2149461
Prob for multiplayer yea. The player numbers dropped significantly.

>>2141323
Mod support has zero to do with DoW1s success most people who rmemeber fondly didn't even know it had mods. Mods became important later.
And Nu-hammer is more popular than old hammer ever was. So that's fucking stupid point too.

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wegh

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>>2149751

So IG's is pretty much just Guardsmen + Command Squad as backbone? The Karskin having limit of 1 squad is really weird, considering they have the same weapons as Guardsmen?

>>2149644
>Mod support has zero to do with DoW1s success
Everything to do with DoW 1's remasters Success thoughever
>And Nu-hammer is more popular than old hammer ever was.
Warhammers success is largely in spite of actions from GW, not because.

>>2149751
>Fury, Industrial Production & Spaceport are the easiest maps ever regardless of the enemy's reinforcement level
>Enhanced Manpower & Bulwark are standard skirmishes
>Forward Base is downright fuckimpossible if it's held by Orks
Relic pls

>>2150240
I imagine the only reason Enhance Manpower and Bulwark didn't get cut completely is that it would have meant redoing the map graphic

>>2145475
If bitch Scouts can survive drop pods, Eldar can too, to be honest.

>>2141323
>Nu-Hammer is shit, looks like shit and plays like shit.
Space Marine 2 was successful

>>2149534
It's got twice as many people than coh3 right now and you can get coh games in like 5 minutes.

>>2127763
I mean we knew this already anon, Space Marine 2 was also shitmaris. That's just the way of things now, there might be a mod eventually.

>>2139090
I remember something like this happening when I last played Dark Crusade, except it was the guard taking the Necrons starter. 8 billion grenade launchers from 2 minutes into the game and even with max honor guard I couldn't break through. Must be some sort of weird oversight/bug, they probably should have made it so no faction ever successfully takes a headquarters.

How's DoW Ultimate Apoc mod after the 2nd hotfix for DE?

>visuals are kinda wonky
>no real commitment to base building outside of a few CoH2 style rear base snippets
>effects clutter up the map really bad
Could be worse, but could be a lot better.
Better not be another compfag centric spergfest that forgets to actually build a fun RTS around it's e-sport.

>>2151299
>>no real commitment to base building outside of a few CoH2 style rear base snippets
What's "real" base building?

>>2151300
Being able to build unit production buildings outside of a small cuck corner on the map.

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>>2126193
>hands on guy talks about defending
>resource income restricted by total units in play
>no consideration for holding back units for defensive purposes
>"just deepstrike units onto the attacking enemies"
>no mention of building up fortifications
>just the same "lol keep pushing forward" playstyle that's fucked RTSs for the last decade
Ah, well that fucking sucks.

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Welp, DoW 4 is a wash.
Ah well, at least the Remaster is good.

you know you can place buildings arent your listening post right? i do it all the time.

>>2136224
Are you fucking retarded, firewarriors mulch gardesmen. just get your comander in there to spot and disrupt.

New gameplay trailer is out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3u6jlJUEVI

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>>2156746
>Necrons are only in DoW4 at launch solely because they missed out on their chance to be in DoW3

>>2156746
Marine voice work is so fucking bad holy shit

>>2156746
really excited for the synchronized mealy combat

>>2156746
I am not sure what to think of the models in the studio
The obvious first instinct is that they asked GW for some models for show to look like /ourguys/.
But I would think that if they were frauds they would not have a shelf full of greytide models.

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>>2156746
Grim, dark I might say

>>2156746
VA is shit
Graphics look too cartoony

Finally bikers in DoW. It was always a weird omission

They're using that ugly ass plastic art style the CGI internet shows use.
Had this point, the game has more red flags than the Kremlin.

>>2156886
The SM and Admech units need a harsher helmet filter

>>2156888
>It was always a weird omission
Maybe if you're retarded. Making bikes look okay when animated is hard as fuck. Tons of extra effort for a unit that's absolute shit outside of early game.

>>2156985
Don't be so hard on him, you mongol rape baby.

>>2156849
at least it's not trans flag

>>2156746
Why the fuck all gameplay I see looks like it's from some somewhat high-budget autobattler?
>squads run in perfect formation
>army units all prefer to keep big social distance between each other and I never see one outrun another or any of them blobbing up during the movement
Might even say that I've seen autobattlers with armies acting more naturally.
Also, lel. Did I see Cyrus with his radical dude hair make fountains of ork blood by bashing one with his bolter?

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genestealer cults will be the first DLC faction

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>>2156746
It looks bad. It looks like a fucking mod for DoW 3, which considering the fast dev time, it may very well be.

>>2157330
The problem here and in other modern 40k games is that the models look too clean, like they're freshly painted setpieces rather than the gritty military units they're supposed to represent.

>>2156746
Shoot the sound director in the back of the head

>>2156746
looks better than DoW3, but worse than 1

>>2156746
voice acting for the space marines is so lame. feels like some overworked walmart employee reading the lines. no passion, no zeal, nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKN-U1-bWk
>BREAK THEIR BACKS!

>>2157438
this kind of voice acting will never be topped. Period.

>>2156746
The voicelines sound like faction-based announcers. The only line that sounds like SM is at 0:20 about the Orks attacking

>>2157093
auto-battler might be suitable for a DoW game, actually. I don't like babysitting each squad, ok? I want to see carnage, and change my strategy based on what the enemy is using, not out-microing him.

>>2157093
Yeah the units move in suspiciously straight lines and it looks like one unit per tile or something.

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>>2156746
Why would they put this absolute retard design in the game?

>>2157645
Because they work closely together with Games Workshop.
It's also why they replaced the red lasgun lasers with yellow lasgun bolts

>>2157663
>>2157645
Mods will fix it
Trust the plan

>>2157645
Unfortunately >>2157663 is right. DoW-onlyies are going to have a harsh realisation what current edition 40k actually is and GW seems determined to have games be up to date portrayal while half the "fandom" is mentally stuck all the way back in 4th because they remember it being cool 20 years ago.

>>2157663
it's weird because Space Marine 2 and Rogue Trader both have red las lines

>>2157771
Both of them were released before the WarCom's article on Las Cannon bolt color. But old official arts had yellow las bolts too so, idk

>>2157758
>they remember it being cool 20 years ago.
it's still cool. Much cooler than whatever retarded slop nu-40k is.

>>2157802
trvke. i wonder why GW pretends to give a shit about 40k as a work of art by funding shittons of (not very profitable) novels and now Warhammer+, only to whimsically change the lore and art direction in ways that no one asked for.

>>2157802
I don't disagree, I also thought it was cool and I still do. I'm just saying that online you see a lot of people who like the idea of 40k more than they actually do 40k and don't play the tabletop or engage with books and shit while the setting has been a very different and probably confusing thing for a long time now.

>>2157645
looks like a bionicle-lego toy.

>>2157645
so it's basically a dreadnought that anyone can pilot without becoming a nugget?

>>2157645
Toys.

>>2157645
Lel. I think the Sisters have something similar but they are supposed to be the crazy zealots among crazy zealots.

It's so sad when you see the new 40k fans so gleefully eat nu-slop because it's all they knew.
Why do the British ruin literally everything?

>>2157842
>I'm just saying that online you see a lot of people who like the idea of 40k more than they actually do 40k and don't play the tabletop or engage with books and shit
you can just enjoy, play and engage with the older editions while completely disregarding nu-corporate content. See: Star Wars.
Which means that I probablyy won't enjoy DoW4 all that much, if it's all retarded

>>2158389
Penitent engines at least make sense in that they are supposed to be punishment of sort for the driver, even if its ridiculous to put so much effort to a punishment.or absolution.

>>2158863
I think the problem that the other Anons are pointing to is that inside the machine there is just a space marine model and that's it.
Personally, I would expect a unit called "Penitent Engine" to be much grimmer and centered around the concept of suffering and penitence; like this, it makes it seem like a baby carrier.

>>2158105
Yes, they just took out a Redemptor Dreadnaught's sarcophagus and put a seat in, but the funniest part is that it's supposed to be a stealth Dreadnaught used to support Vanguard (nu-Scouts) formations, as if replacing an almost dead guy with a regular guy as the pilot makes it that much more stealthy.

>>2158894
Grimdark stealth...

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>>2158389
Sisters have Penitent Engines which deliberately exposes the pilot to danger as punishment, and also the new Paragon Warsuit, which is their flavor of baby carrier.

>>2157819
>only to whimsically change the lore and art direction in ways that no one asked for.
The investors did ask for it. Changes mean people have to buy new stuff to replace their old stuff means profits go up and their retirement funds appreciate more.

>>2158902
>cover up everything
>leave head vulnerable for headshot because you wouldn't know its a sister otherwise

This is hollywood tier thinking from GW.

>>2158902
Wow, that looks really stupid. It honestly looks like a Wraithlord rip off.

>>2158902
>cut off or shoot off one tube
>the mech is inoperable
what the fuck were they thinking? Why are all nu-40k designs so fucking impractical and stupid?

if the game has sync kills I buy it, otherwise I don't

>>2159781
anon
DoW4 will have unique melee and sync kill animation for every unit it fights

>>2159197
>impractical and stupid
That's 40k since forever.

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>>2159808
rhinos and predators are based on real life vehicles. They make sense. Even land raiders made some sense.
This fucking thing? It's retarded. How does warfare devolve into retardation instead of evolving into efficiency? The technological progress of 40k universe is going BACKWARDS

>>2159831
Ah yes, tanks with sponsons, totally not impractical and stupid. And I wont even start with the "top heavy, stubby legs" dreadnoughs, or the totally sensible terminator armor that sure can walk or turn.

>b-but muh rhino
Probably the most sensible tank in 40k, and yet just a disgusting metal bawks!

>>2159841
>>2159831
>>2159808
>>2159197
i hate this game
>lore introduces something that's 200% retarded
>someone complains
>another guy says 200% retarded is just fine because 100% retarded stuff was already in the lore
>the conversation devolves into arguing about which is more retarded and what an acceptable level of retardation is

>>2159841
>Ah yes, tanks with sponsons, totally not impractical and stupid.
THE TECH. IS GOING. BACKWARDS.
WW2 TECH. BACK. TO WW1 TECH.
IT DOESN'T. MAKE. ANY. SENSE.

>>2159897
40k as a setting takes OLD GOOD NEW BAD to its logical extreme

>>2159898
more like OLD BAD NEW GOOD BUY PRIMARIS BIGGER BATMAN MARINES

>>2159899
Most of the new Imperium models, especially the overpriced Forgeworld ones, are explained to be ancient overpowered shit/lost technology nobody makes anymore.

>>2159897
>THE TECH. IS GOING. BACKWARDS.
No its no, they always had sponsons in 40k. They only care about the rule of cool.

>>2159907
and that's beyond retarded.
They aren't recovering armageddon blades that split planets, they're recovering Renault FTs and the universe somehow explains them to be better than M1 Abrams. And everyone just rolls with it, scrap all the Abrams tanks and deploy Renault FTs en masse because.... just do it, okay???
God I hate nu-40k with a passion. May locusts swarm games workshop corporate offices.

>>2159831
The Land Raider is literally a british WW1 tank, anon. Outdated and impractical has always been the core of the Imperium's aesthetic, both because they're in a DARK AGE OF TECHNOLOGY and because they're a vague amalgam of the Crimean War, WW1 and WW2 mixed together. And those inspirations aren't supposed to gel seamlessly, it's supposed to look like multiple different eras of technology are smashed together, because you have ancient war machines built with lost technology being kept in service via duct tape and prayer working alongside recent machines that have regressed hundreds of years technologically because that's what they can still build to scale. The slapshod nature of the imperium's equipment is part of their aesthetic, and it adds weight to things that are supposedly irreplaceable in-universe because the technology driving them has been forgotten.

>>2159924
>The Land Raider is literally a british WW1 tank, anon.
and yet nu-40k goes all-in on tanks even older than british Mk1. Explain why the tech goes backwards instead of forward. Why are the vehicle designs getting more and more retarded, more and more archaic? Instead of innovative and more efficient?

>>2160030
>tanks even older than british Mk1
Are you retarded?

How did a dude in a cave make thousands of primaris space marines. Where did these new gravtanks come from?

>>2160042
Girlyman told him to do it 10000 years ago, and he was given fresh smurfs to tinker with since the smurfs were the most populated legion by the end of the Horus Heresy.

>>2160042
What is it about Primaris Marines that make chuds seethe?

>>2160038
are you? you do realize mk1 was a finalized prototype among many other designs?

>>2160030
what part of DARK AGE OF TECHNOLOGY is it that's so confusing to you?

>>2160076
bigger batman >>2141738
Cheapens out what is special about space marines and all the lore behind them for a lame excuse to flush the model range and call them silly more trademarkable things.

>>2160030
Don't some imperial guardsman use horses and swords? You aren't supposed to take the setting that seriously.

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>>2160081
How about you finalize some social skills

>>2160105
I wouldn't even care if the rot didn't spread to every other Imperial faction as well. The Dorn tank is just the Russ BUT BEEGAR.

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>>2160114
If you think the Rough Riders' cyborg horses are silly, wait till you see the Mechanicus' cavalry like fire breathing cyborg dogs, which will undoubtedly be showcased in DoW4

>>2160114
>You aren't supposed to take the setting that seriously.
For sure, but how much is too far. If you take this logic to its extreme, anything goes.
>>2160154
Well before I thought they weren't robotic. But now I know they are robotic, it does make sense. They don't just use swords. Power swords. Cavarly can be extremely useful on a desert world or somewhere where mobility is key. Cavarly has always been useful for recon or fast moving reaction force. Maybe the imperium doesn't have enough aircraft or transports available and they use whatever. It would make sense on a backwater planet. In WW1, horses were used to great success in plugging gaps or when the allies achieved a breakthrough in the Hundred Days Offensive.

>>2158931
People were happily buying new models of the same stuff they had for years, advancing the plot was a pointless move. Introduce "true-scale" Marines and be done with it, though honestly the whole thing could have been replaced with "true-scale". We are running into a problem were Primaris were specifically scaled to be better proportioned but also actually taller than normal human bodies but new Guard models put it right where it was since the new Guard are taller than old stocky models too. Didn't need a big lore reason for bigger and stronger soldiers there, I guess.
It was probably worse before the backlash of AoS forced them to dial back, but nowadays even AoS is pretty popular with nu-/tg/.
>>2160141
What pisses me about Dorn is that the meta reasoning for it's existence is LITERALLY the same reasoning that was behind Malcador and Macharius tanks 20 years ago - we need a tank that's stronger than Russ but not as singularily expensive in points as Baneblade - and those models looked much more in-line with existing ones.
GW just forgot they existed and when everyone reminded them after they spent all the effort making the Dorn tank they just quietly added the Malcador... to 30k.
40k has been an unending nightmare of IP mismanagement for quick buck ever since 2017 and I doubt it will ever stop. Nowadays I just wish it got the same AoS treatment as Fantasy Battle did, because then I'd be able to fully ignore nu-Hammer instead of seeing it slowly corrupted.

>>2156849
Why do they have this cult flag in all video game studios now? A cool w40k poster would be a better thing to have the wall I think than irrelevant sex cults

>>2160030
>>2159918
>>2159897
embarrassing

>>2160154
>heavy flamer/power maul shock cavalry
That's fucking dope actually.
>>2160030
>Why are the vehicle designs getting more and more retarded, more and more archaic? Instead of innovative and more efficient?
Well the Transmaris marine vehicles are taking notes from real designs. The new floating land raider clearly takes inspiration from the Russian BMP-3 for example with the turret cramped with two types of cannon and autoloaders.

>>2160099
what part of GOING BACK FROM WW2 DESIGNS TO WW1 DESIGNS EVEN THOUGH TIME PROGRESSES FORWARD NOT BACKWARD is it that's so confusing to you?

>>2161499
Warhammer 40k is inspired by our world in the far future, but it's not exactly our world in the far future. It's not a realistic extrapolation of current Earth in the 41st millennium.
In-setting, the design is not WW2 or WW1, it's just a "design from age of X".

Does anybody know the exact values for the morale armor of each unit? The wiki doesn't tell you shit outside of 3 exceptions

>>2157819
>only to whimsically change the lore and art direction in ways that no one asked for.
In another news nothing changed

>>2159918
>>2160030
>Shits on elements that have been core aspects on the setting since his inception
>"God I hate nu-40k with a passion"
Why does this happend all the time? The ones that are the most vocal about how much they hate "nu-40k" are the most autistic and the biggest secondaries

>>2126193
I mixed this up with Total Warhammer for a second and got really confused.

>>2151324
>just the same "lol keep pushing forward" playstyle that's fucked RTSs for the last decade
Glad I'm not the only one bothered by this. It's like they want you to play like DotA mobs.

space mareeeens

>>2161851
>Glad I'm not the only one bothered by this. It's like they want you to play like DotA mobs.
I do really wish we'd see more defensive play in newer RTSs, half the time people shit on turtle strats it's because they don't involve pushing for more ground and can't be countered with "send generic meta unit in and micro real hard".
The reality is that turteling can be fun to play against if the game is built with it in mind, and gives more aggressive factions units to break fortifications like highly mobile SoB rhino artillery in the crucible mod forcing bunker/turret spamers to run counter battery with earth shakers.

>>2151324
>>just the same "lol keep pushing forward" playstyle that's fucked RTSs for the last decade
>>2161851
>Glad I'm not the only one bothered by this. It's like they want you to play like DotA mobs.
>>2162257
Turtle or not, the objective would still be defeating the opposing player, and it's impossible to do that with turtling.
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just not seeing how to maintain turtling without expanding for maintaining the turtling force.
Maybe introduce logistics, a bit slower game pace and random map events and deeper diplomacy than just giving money/power? I don't see how you can escape the
>"lol keep pushing forward"
without other elements other than keep shitting out fighting units

>>2161695
spergs, largely by definition, build up ideas inside their insular heads and when this idea meets reality, which is very different since the spergs are actual retards, they throw a tantrum. often literally.

>>2161695
it takes a primary to be truly retarded nigger goy cattle who sticks their head up their ass and gobbles up incoming shit while screaming "thank you for this retarded brahmin diarrhea games workshop i am your biggest dalit shitskin worshipper. Next edition please give me a space marine flintstones car that shoots sharp rocks at the enemy"

>>2162424
>it takes a primary
I assume you are a secondary then in which case, why should anybody take your opinion seriously?

>>2162403
I don't get complaints like this. If you just want to turtle, never leave your base and force your opponent to attack you like you're playing a tower defense game then you're a casual stop caring if you win or lose, complaints solved.
If you "don't want to be a dota minion" then plan your attacks don't just send waves of reinforcements across the map, compliant solved.
Really queer complaints that boil down to
>i dont want to attack my opponent
>i dont want my opponent to attack me until i am ready
Just play vs AI.

>>2160030
The imperium is a nation of retarded superstition and constant oppression. The mere notion of ‘improving’ on what’s deemed a holy and sacred machine is heretical, and something that AdMech is often only sanctioned to handle. They too are superstitious retards who view tech as holy magical wizardry, clogging up any progress of improvement with pointless rituals and rites, as well as reverence for what’s already there getting in the way of change for the better. Also change is the realm of tzeentch, so it’s avoided.

>>2162479
assume a cock in your mouth nigger

>>2163234
>Just play vs AI
>most efficient strat aganist AI in DK and SS campaign's is early rushing
Uh oh.

>>2157842
>who like the idea of 40k more than they actually do 40k and don't play the tabletop or engage with books
The only sane 40k fans.

>>2126193
1 was best

>>2166958
I'm playing 3 right now after 200hr+ in 1 and I see very few issues to be mad about. You guys should try it.

>>2166958
I prefer the 2nd somehow.

been playing a lot of soulstorm lately. I've always been a normal difficulty campaign/skirmish player in all rts just turtling until I tech up and kill the ai with my massive end game army. now I am actually learning and can defeat hard and harder ai, almost insane when I play the race I know best. feels good to go back to campaign, turn up the difficulty, and win matches in half or even a third of the time it usually takes. Rts is fun to get good at, I can't believe I missed out ask these years. really looking forward to doing some team multiplayer