Now with all the actual leaks in the OP.https://gofile.io/d/zAJ2RV - Full DV leak repository. Proposal, charts, maps.https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Leaked build footage. Nearly finished and scrapped Italy, very unfinished Germany/US reworks and more.https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus - BiliBili leak video repository.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf - Japan rework. Now with a full proposal leak.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev still lurking, will respond to all bait.https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.>TNO:RAhttps://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA - TNO: Rises Again Git. Atlantropa TNO for current HOI4 with new content.>LEAKED BUILDSJust making sure these aren't lost again.2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuohttps://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions Endhttps://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Webhttps://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branchhttps://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides
>News>Japan proposal leaked and is put in the OP>Guangdong deletion possibly disproven>TNO devs are sperging about politics instead of devingNothing happened.
Can someone give me the QRD on the Japan proposal? Did they make it any better since the flowchart with the OTL PMs? All Euro and US content is a lost cause but at least something interesting can happen there.
what is the troon percentage of the devs?
>>2143345>TNO so dead the news section isn’t even 100 words long
>>2143368It's actually gone down significantly. Apart from their head janny I think most leads that actually stir shit and drama are radlib dudes actually.
>>2143370On one hand it seemed like an emergency bake because some faggot make a fake bake without the original baker's leaks included.On the other hand nothing happened either really since the devs went on lockdown after... Well, you know.
>>2143422It'd be insanely funny if its actually the trannies that are the ones that are super productive, and TNO just constantly churns through them.Trannies being as sensitive as they are would leave over half this toxic shit from the Mango Clique for sure
>>2143523I think it's more about schizophrenia and severe autism and letting it flourish. Pacifica was trans before working on TNO, but the people that made up the RKs, all the civil wars, the NPP and more were schizos or total autists. With a realism clique in charge you're not getting any of either so TNO has locked itself out from some of the community's best workhorses.
>>2143352The most recent flowchart matches the design doc, main difference is a few subids that make me think the flowchart is newer/more up to date than the doc.The new Japan lore is that Kishi tried to make wartime measures permanent at the end of the war and do popular mobilisation to created a real social base for the yokusankai, but the conservative establishment panicked and forced him out so workers rights and government control over the economy could be rolled back, but the big tent one party state stayed, just as an establishment patronage network mostly. There's still some ancient pre-war libs hanging about wanting to restore taisho democracy and some young corporatists who want to turn it into a proper party who are in charge at the start. The conservative rollback post-war has caused some issues, particularly in the countryside, leading to major riots that had to be put down violently and really shook the system before the start date, so dealing with it and implementing some sort of land reform is going to be important.
>>2143352>>2143565The yasuda crisis at the start of the game will bring down the initial government but your path is then determined how well you handle it. The structure of each branch is repetitive, post-yasuda you get one of three leaders, each one only rules for two years before dying or being removed at which point based on your choices under him you get one of two paths, making effectively 6 paths in total, not counting 'multiple endings' or possible failstates for each.If you handle yasuda criss well damage to the system is minimal, establishment steady hands take over with Kaya, and the choice for the player is either going with the managerial bureaucrats who want to end politicians meddling with the system under Fukuda or the conservative establishment politicians who just want to maintain the status quo.If you fuck up the yasuda crisis completely, it destroys the legitimacy of the one party system and lets the remaining libs, independents and kishi, who has been seething on the sidelines since being forced out, to have a chance at power. The two paths here are Miki who does liberal holesum small businesses and Kishi who finally gets to bring back the wartime national defence state through mass mobilisation and organised crime.The final branch is the result of the yasuda crisis being bad enough that the establishment is forced on the backfoot but not so bad that the one party state is dismantled altogether. Here Konoe takes over and is determined to see his original new order vision implemented in full this time. He has to carry out a rapid legal coup and avoid the establishment stopping him before he can freeze them out and turn japan into a real one-party state with him as dictator. He then promptly dies leaving you the choice between using the new central planning dictatorship to do crypto-communism with the state trade union taking over the economy under Asanuma or a technocracy with scientists and engineers put in charge under Matsumae.
I am a requiem-bro, but this teaser really shouldve been in the oven a bit longer.Multiple typos, and different ones for the same word at that.At release this will probably all work out but common man, if more of these happen then I'm gonna be scared that they dont actually check what was written by their team.
haven't played TNO since it basically first released and Panzer was still around. Is it still basically a VN?
>>2143581I skim through everything so not really a problem for me
>>2143565>>2143567There's some iffy stuff here and I don't think it goes far enough in quite a few places. But compared to a lot of other TNO plans, it's not bad? I could see that being fine, especially compared to some of the other farces they're working on. But since Biden came and went during its dev hell period...
>>2143588Yes but it has mini-games now as the main 'features' for each tag.
>>2143581It's just Five being an excitable sperg again.>>2143588The mod has less content since you played it. They're deleting all wars and replacing everything with minigames and events. No I'm not joking. This is real.
>>2143599Maybe, but if he is this excitable and rushes out teasers, who is to say he wont rush out the entire update aswell?
>>2143616He literally can't since he doesn't own the Steam page. His problem is that he rushes out announcements on Discord when he shouldn't. Just get someone to proofread his shit and it'll be fine. The old HV toozers didn't seem to have that problem.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheFireRisesMod/comments/1nf5jmj/current_situation/
For those that don't want to go to >reddit
>>2143704speaking of TFR would this commenter's suggestion save TNO and primarily VP?
>>2143709"save" is a strong word. It alone won't undo years of damage, but it'll make playing TNO a lot more tolerable.
>>2143709That has always been a core praise of TFR and a core criticism of TNO. TFR has lots of shit writing, WIPs and blanks, and the writing isn't always the best, but it doesn't beat me over the head with how evil everyone is. Trump is awesome, Biden & co end racism, Atomwaffen get to be maniacal schizos, and I'm not preached to or treated like a child that needs to have it explained to me that yes Dirlewanger is a meanieface and he's really icky and bad. Good direction with sloppy execution will always beat out bad direction. Would it save TNO? No but it would be a big improvement. And maybe it'd help with their rumored high burn rate among writers.
>>2143707Uh yeah that's the thing they don't want them back. They're happy that all the nahzees are gone. If only you knew how reworked things truly are.
>>2143718
Do any of yall have the vnj rework recently released from the chinese community? I have been playing through the older vnj leak and while I do like it for what it is, I want to see for myself how much progress the neudevs have made
>>2143751Not playable but there's a link to the videos with the leaks and a Chinese site as well. Maybe that's a good place to look?
>>2143342Autism ̶v̶i̶s̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶n̶o̶v̶e̶l̶ , no, choose-your-own-adventure novel mod for a bad game, for political compass horoscope retards jerking each other off in discord servers.
>>2143866>CYOAMakes sense, I remember all CYOA books I read as a kid basically just giving you a dead end if you even sneezed in the wrong direction.
>>2143751know a person who is on the team. Asked how is V&J going. Response: Shit is fucked
some requiem dev just leaked docs in teasershttps://gofile.io/d/DVlm4o
>>2144011Be real, you are more than likely the guy that leaked it From what I read in goog chat btw, the guy got essentially demoted from Lead Designer.Thats TNO Lead level of tomfuckery and is the opposite kind of leak I'd like to see honestly.Also half this shit is probably just stuff thats in-dev and being figured out if they wanna do it.
>>2144011https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1C-9KEhHGFBUFhXLimQcMKrllufNbzoiWThe original Google Drive of the guy that leaked it in the announcements in case he takes down the gofile.tl;dr a dev was demoted and ragequit apparently.
>>2144018The retard put out his own Google Drive in an announcement leak to hundreds of people???
>>2144017not really, i just downloaded the docs while they are still up and hosted them on gofilealthough i didnt read through all the docs, kardashev stuff seems interesting
>>2144021Fair nuff then, I'm in a couple servers with the guy that quit and he's been going around and leaking it everywhere so I figured he'd do it here too
>>2144021>Compares creation datesI guess that makes sense since he's obviously too fucking moronic not to reveal his own accouont.
>>2144022Wait he's just going around to a bunch of Discord servers and posting links to his Google drive? Is he trying to get banned from everywhere?
>>2144011>>2144017Per the Discord jannies "the leaks don't matter" but they are deleting anyone talking about themAt the same time, if they let it stay up and let people look at what they're doing, it'd be a way to get more people working on it, getting the mod out faster in a more complete state
>>2144027I think its a double edged swordKeeping the leaks out there opens them up to having people go "Wow look, these plans changed so much!" or "Damn, this was planned all this time ago and still hasnt been released"Taking them down meanwhile means that the devs that worked on it actually have the ability to properly tease it
>>2144027They don't matter but I can see people wanting to shut them down. I mean TNO had thousands of leaks and that's not what killed them. Old 2WRW also had some stuff leak last year and that didn't hurt the mod either, their splits were over China dev way back and the Antarctica map earlier this year. This isn't mutually exclusive with wanting to clamp down on it.
>>2144028The thing with the second part is that people will have those two same reactions regardless of things.As for "proper teasers" they still can. Not everyone is gonna wanna read through some 200 pages and commit them to memory.
>>2144011>>2144018HOLY SHIT IT'S ACTUALLY TNO'S BURGUNDY REWORK PROPOSALIT WAS REAL ALL ALONG
>>2144030I took a quick look at Requiems documents and, Burgundy aside, most of them are super short.Feels like Requiem is going the road of "Keep your Documents short and concise, noone wants to read 100 pages"
>>2144034does anyone even know if in fact any of these are confirmed, or if they were merely proposals in development?
>>2144036Most of them the latter I'd assume.Like the Burgundy thing almost guaranteed just isnt their actual plans, or atleast, I hope.
>>2144036Out of them, Neatherlands seems the most "we go with this one" and the rest are "we leaning on this but haven't tried to start gameplay implamentation"
>>2144038Kardashev is pretty close I think, no?
>>2144039Maybe? It's missing in-game GUI that'd be an obvious tell
>>2144041Maybe its just not supposed to have a GUI desu. Requiem might try to go the route without GUIs for now given half the reason they made BOTI actually stick was removing GUIs
>>2144041>>21440442WRW's nudev clique formed Minutes to Midnight. The Redux clique that are anti-GUI and axed all minigames from Omsk formed Requiem. So it's not an obvious tell. Requiem are a lot closer to KX and TFR in terms of design philosophy. Everyone else left with the old lead it seems.
Hey Jeff, you were right people were out to get you. Go fuck yourself retard
>>2144056No idea who he was but people probably weren't out to get him. It's the Internet, most people don't give a shit, you're not important, if you step away no one will care.After making a public announcement linked to all his account trying to leak documents though? Yeah, way to make your delusions real, moron. But only in the sense that you're banned from everything HOI4 related under the sun.
requiem is slowly becoming the same as tno
>>2144066Eh, not really.Their plans seem OK for the most part. It's better than TNO but desu to achieve that all you have to do is not to delete things.Drama? It seems more like random crashouts and someone doing retarded things rather than the total toxicity you see from TNO. KX had similar growing pains early on. If they can at least survive a bit longer they should get over this just like other mods have. If not, oof. At least we'll have the KF mod.
>>2144067NuTNO Italy but from Temu. NuTNO France but from Temu. America flowchart leaked proven correct. It is quite literally all shit I can't imagine defending this wikislop. Requiem devs having little mini crashouts will surely provide confidence to fans.
>>2144090> Italy & FranceAre clearly still in progress of being made> AmericaCould have changes applied, only thing proven is Byrd being starting president> WikislopThis is clearly not just OTLslop so idk what you are yapping about
>>2144090Well, since the devs are reading this thread, and I agree that there's room for improvement, why don't you provide your own suggestions for how to improve each document? Unironically, if you hate it, make your voice heard because it ain't as lost of a cause as TNO yet.
>>2144095If you look at the TNO france doc and the Requiem Doc its the same shit but Requiem is worse. They are getting rid of Muti so of course its temu. We literally have the flowchart retard stop lying. Wikislop is when you use Wikipedia as your info retard.
>>2144099For USA I would try to integrate the union forever because it has a good npp. For France why reinvent the wheel when you are doing essentially what TNO is doing. For Italy why remove Muti that's dumb. Remove Zhdanov he has no business being an ultravisionary.
>>2144105Thats funny because Requiem literally has a rule for designers that Wikipedia doesnt count as a source for Research dipshit
Most of the shit from the leaks is evidently meant to portray Requiem in a bad way, so clearly Jeff would use mainly things that arent finished or potentially arent up to date.And just because there is a Flowchart, doesnt mean its still being followed - yes Byrd is president, but besides that we *dont know yet about the rest*
>>2144113Flowchart mentions Byrd retard clearly these two things are the same and being followed
>>2144119nayrt, but on the dev server - without leaking anything, the flowchart you posted is outdated and hasnt been up to date basically since it originally got leaked
Five is such a faggot for stirring drama and removing the lead designer for no reason
>>2144157Kill yourself, Jeff
My name is five and I'm such a massive faggot that I love to suck dutch BBCs. I wish Kateryna dominated me
>>2144163Okay Jeff, go back to bed
Housewives of TNO right here
>>2143716They already made a path where you're the protagonist and it's Sablin and everyone calls his path reddit
Nothing ever happens gang can't stop winning
>>2144173What happened this time?
>>2144185>Five demotes a guy for being unstable>unstable guy proves him right when the guy pings everyone, leaks all the docs, starts BBC posting about Five on 4chan
>>2144188Thank god tno rises again is just one guy so we have a backup that will never have drama
>>2144188So they demoted him because he was already unstable? Why did they put him as lead if he was unstable?
>>2144121Me when I rework things. I am rewooooooorking.
>>2143716I bet the Nixon imperial path will be just the megalib devs trying to spoon-feed the player about how so bad it is because "muh republicans are evil and the mega lib JFK can save us" when it will be seen as the based path cause nixon can kill those mega libs. I don't these devs understand that the most praised path will be this for is schizoness rather than its "story". It's not even a "story" its a narrative.
>>2144185tl;dr a higher up is demoted and has a mental breakdown. Leaks a couple of documents but does this by announcing it on the TNOR commcord. Is subsequently banned from every single HOI4 server. Honestly nothingburger blown out of proportion by the way a sperg handled it.>>2144206If I were to hazard I guess the mod's been pretty unstable after the split. Most of their old guard split and they've had a hard time filling all the vacant slots. Most leads went to MtM while most regular stayed with TNOR. The guy that had the crashout likely just seemed alright at the start but turned out to be a schizo as time went on. Pure speculation, but it makes sense to me given the situation they were in.
>>2144225I bet you: the Nixon route will be completely based and hilarious. It'll make the DQRK MQGQ Trump route in TFR look castrated by comparison. And all of this despite it being written to be outright anti-Nixon propaganda. Mark my words: you'll all want to play the Nixon route because it'll be the best thing ever. In fact, you'll love it so much for the wrong reasons that Mango will delete it within a week, make a blog post about how you're all racists, and create a really big drama bomb.
>>2144249Please let this happen it will be so fucking funny that the nudevs realize that all the time they spent into people like Yorty and RFK will not matter due to everyone playing the schizo path that they've tried so hard to defeat and if anon you are right about mango getting rid of it and causing a drama bomb. Hopefully TNO can die with everyone realizing it was never about making it fun or telling a story. It was always about setting a narrative, a narrative no one will like.
>>2144249You can already see what imperial Nixon will be likePlay imperial Lacerda in Brazil
>>2144284Explain.
>>2144306Lacerda is a Free-Market Conservative. He has a path where he can plot a military coup against the democratically elected socialist/socdem president Goulart (worth noting he supported the Brazillian military coup in real life too, until he didn't).He fucking despises the Varguists and trade unions and wants to abolish minimum wage and independent unions, among other things (he hates the poors too). This eventually leads to nationwide strikes where he basically guns down workers in the streets. If he goes all in against the workers and they win, he enacts plan PARA-SAR where he detonates a bunch of bombs all over Rio and and then blames it on leftists, killing a lot of innocents in the process. Brazil then spirals into chaos eventually leading to the civil warTldr he's the Brazillian Nixon/Reagan who can potentially lead the country to utter ruin
>>2144320Eh I get where you're coming from but it sounds like your average day in South America. Which I guess if true would make it really fucking dumb for America and not even that funny. I hope you're wrong.
>>2144249Please God let the nudev faggots allow nixon to drop nukes on random nigs in the south
>>2144381The Haiti nuke thing gives me hope.They're so out of touch and stupid that they'd totally let Nixon nuke all the blacks in the Caribbean in his first term.Make it happen, QPQ you dumb fucking faggot.
>>2144401Mango said Goldwater and Wallace are the only '64 candidates who could nuke HaitiYes I know holding a dev by their word is like running into a brick wall over and over again but still
Which mod is the Mustard to Mango's TNO?
Ya but using the nuke auto locks your ending into the entire Caribbean going revolutionary communist (duh) and you will lose the entire sphere so. You will need to rely on Canada naval invading to get some of those islands back, not even all of them. Gold gameplay
>>2144409Why the fuck would america be relying on canada for naval assistance? Even if canada managed to keep and maintain some of the royal navy they would still be 2 decades behind on tech.
>>2144413They initially were going to have the US directly naval invade all the Caribbean if it rebelled but one user told them it would break the US sending volunteers to other proxies and they didn't realize lol so they have Canada naval invading now
>>2144407They also said that they aren't cutting Yockey. :')>>2144409>One of the greatest military powers in the world has to rely on an unplayable middling WW2 loser cut off from its home empire to reclaim the Caribbean from a few uppity communistsYou don't hate TNO devs enough.
>>2144417>They also said that they aren't cutting Yockey. :')Literally where did they say they are keeping Yockey>One of the greatest military powers in the world has to rely on an unplayable middling WW2 loser cut off from its home empire to reclaim the Caribbean from a few uppity communistsMost of the carribean is a part of the exiled British empire. Why wouldn't Canada, with US support obviously, be the one to retake its own colonies. Don't see how they couldn't win
>>21444271: They denied it for years and when they made their initial reveal him being cut and other controversial features were simply left unmentioned.2: Missing the point. America should just be able to invade on their own instead of relying on a tag that's unplayable, has no content, and never will have content. No, seriously, why the fuck do you want me to ask this unplayable AI only skeleton tag to invade an island with 3 people living on it? Why the fuck can't I just send a marine corps there? This nudev shit sucks.
>>2144427cause we have to rely on the ai dumbass
>>2144431Looking through the leaked Carribean flowchart, some content that relies on Canada will be added later as a part of the Canada update (releasing never)They'll maybe add something for the US to guarantee Canada wins, like an event or two which strengthens CanadaThere is always the possibilty that the colonies declaring independence can just be avoided entirely if you play your cards right as the US and form the WIF with minimal turmoil
>>2144438Sounds fucking awful just let me play the fucking game.
>>2143342>https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf jesus fucking christ, each time someone wants to make a rework they first have to write a 100 page novella about their country before ever starting with hoi4 coding? no fucking wonder nothing ever gets developed for this mod
I hate myself for ever working for the TNO dev team and causing/contributing the destruction of my favourite hoi4 mods by my own hand
>>2143581If they added Africa Addio to 2WRW, Five could cement himself as a god in TNO
>>2144937Join Requiem or Rises Again then, and help them preserve your favorite hoi4 mod.Talk is cheap, action is better.Just mention you are an ex TNO Dev and I reckon Requiem would be more than happy to take you on
I would be really happy if someone dôxed the TNO devs on the bald men with glasses website on /raid/
>>2144937Same. In the end everything I did for them just ended up getting reworked anyway. And neither the tag I worked on or its rework ever released. I don't know what # of reworks they're on now.>>2144938Then they'd get taken off the workshop. Honestly if they just added a win state for Huttig without any of the genocide mechanics and other banned content that'd be good enough. The worst thing about those tags is that you're not allowed to win.
>>2144940speaking of Requiem...Hey would you look at that, its an alternate history South Africa in an alternate history mod. How novel!
>>2144943Just looking at the r/TNOmod echochamber watching them cheer for the removal of the literal Hart and Seoul (gay meme created by scaresith-type trannies to mock legitimate criticism) just pains me to think that these were the same people I tried to please by working on the mod.
>>2144948I want to play as the Boer Republic in the South African War. TNO may have just been the only reason I started learning and understanding the plight of the Afrikaners under the Mandela regime.
I really hate how Antarctica has been completely shoehorned by the TNO devs to the point where no one wants anything to do with the map rework just because of how tainted it is by the TNO dev team. For me it is the only good thing the TNO devs have added and I would like to have it in 2WRW, but apparently the map is so poorly done that it is literally unplayable for any wars.
>>2144957the map rework was a neat idea but it had too many victory pointsjust about unplayable
>>2144948That pie chart makes Komi look stable.>>2144949They really have cultivated the worst fanbase ever.>Hates the actual mod as it was>Cheers when content is removed>Doesn't even play HOI4And then they wonder why no one cares about what they crap out any more.>>2144957I think if they just didn't add so much bullshit and stuck closer to the vanilla map projection no one would've complained. The Antarctica content itself is completely fine and inoffensive. No one complained about it when it was just a submod. But when it started to break all wars in Europe and Asia...
>>2144962my computer from 2015 took about 3 hours to get to 1964grim stuff
>>2144967Meanwhile Requiem is improving performance, or atleast trying their best at it.Kinda tells you enough about which of the two you should be rooting for, one is actively making the game experience worse, the other is atleast trying to improve it. And with that I dont even consider the actual content itself!
>>2144969I think the arctic islands are cool for a potential ww3 but that's about all the new map has that's good
>>2144967>>2144969Meanwhile, Rises Again probably works just fine as is because it was made on a fork that predates all the bullshit they bolted on top of TNO over the years.
>>2144976>potential for WW3You mean the thing that's an instant game over? Shame because Russians or Americans fighting Germans in Arctic environments would go hard.
>>2144980I turn off instant nuclear war in settingsI've always wanted to do a second pacific war but I never got that far into the lackluster japan content
>>2144978True, but alot of said added stuff actually is good, if not some of the best content TNO offered, ever.Guangdong remains to this day the best content I have played, same with Hart
>>2144990I never cared much for either though I'll admit that with Hart my gripes are more about what it led to rather than what it is. Really just wish we got more Russian unifiers.
There is a thread on the bald men with glasses website for doxing Mango, Kateryna and Quid
>>2144978I would be more willing to try Rises Again if it kept Guangdong and the TT economy. There is quite literally nothing wrong with that stuff.
>>2145046Goodwinson isn't a fan of the new economy but it's not cut because he dislikes it. The build he forked from is one of the last ones with Atlantropa that predates all the nudevery. He picked Atlantropa and all the old shit, I think he made the right choice since it means that we finally have a way to experience old school TNO.
>>2145050I could not care less about Atlantropa, all it was was cosmetic. Sure, its removal led to the slippery slope of nudev bullshit, but I would have picked Guangdong over Atlantropa any day of the week.
>>2145055Then you have Requiem or God forbid modern TNO. Honestly it's better that both mods go for strong, unique identities imo.
We miss you Kuzunoha and Pacifica
thread is deader than mango TNO
>>2145568Well there isn't exactly much to talk about. The TNO team went dead silent apart from damage control after the universally hated DV debacle, RA is just one autist chilling and Requiem's had one retard pull a self-doxing crashout and then released a teaser 1 day later when everyone forgot about the last part.Let's face it: TNO is a dead mod (41%) and it's gonna be some time before any of the major reduxes fills the void sadly.
>>2145581>crash out trying to make as much drama as you can because you got demoted once>embarass yourself and get banned from a bunch of discord servers by spamming leaks >people forget about your "muh epic leaks" a day laterLol what a faggot.
>>2145621Literally no one would've cared if he hadn't doxed himself or posted the Burgundy rework proposal. And that's a TNO rework! Lmao!
Does anybody have the old Gus Hall design doc to leak? Wanna see what insanity Panzer planned for him.
>>2145992Best I've got is this old meme and the foggy memory of devs talking about it and how based it'd be. He'd start murdering billionaires, shoot down private jets and just overall be really funny. If there ever was a communist leader everyone could get behind it'd be him especially in a timeline where everyone cheered on the murder of that healthcare CEO. Imagine that on a national scale and you're not far off from OG Hall.Leave it to that worthless nigger Mango to not only scrap all of it but then replace it with the infinitely worse option of not only being the most unrealistic thing ever (racist Republicans and Democrats ever agreeing to make a communist the president on a technicality), but to then also make him a worthless lame duck. Lead dev for life by the way.
how do you upload pdfs to catbox moe? I have the L-NPP file but it won't attach properly.
>>2146067Literally just select the file or drag and drop it into the upload section. If it won't attach, the file's probably corrupted or you can't operate Windows, either-or.
>>2145992>>2146074I'll just put it on gofile.https://gofile.io/d/yPinNG
>>2146162>Crippling the CIA by any means necessary>Aggressively destroying the MIC>Anarcho-Maoist America>Doxing all millionaires via an EOOh yeah having Hall just be a lame duck is way better thanks for killing this Mango.
>>2146035i miss this era of content when you could actually game the systems if you figured them out instead of everything being streamlined shit. and it doesnt even work because 3 years later tnodevs still didnt figure out that half of their behind the scenes us code is bugged and does nothing and only the loc works.
>>2144105> pro-union Goldwater, pro-socialist Goldwater Why even bother to use real people at this point?
>>2146501According to another Anon that is on the Requiem Team, that Flowchart is out of date.OP was trying to fag around with that flowchart in an attempt to stir up anti-requiem mentality (it was at the same time as the ex-design leads crashout)
>>2146507Given that they're just getting started I can imagine them just trying to shop some ideas. It's not like TNO where Vote Pig was in the works for years and we already know the MO of the realism clique.
>>2146530>Given that they're just getting started I can imagine them just trying to shop some ideas.But the problem is that all their ideas are dogshit. Who needs a decade long US rework where they change everything and remove Nixon for no apparent reason. Also they never proved themselves to be capable of producing anything in an appropriate amount of time (omsk was dogshit btw). I hope I'm wrong but it doesn't look good
>>2146162>hall rapes the MIC and subverts the CIA in order to basically do what they did irl but in reverse before totally consolidating his power and shifting america towards socialism for realsies >the new left guys release every dollar of military profit to the public and dox the rich in order to destroy ameriKKKait's so kino bros
>>2146162Tbh for being supposedly "the second worst president the US can have", Hall doesn't seem too terrible here. He does rig democracy so leftists will always win but you can say the same of many factions. Mass confiscation of the rich's assets once the state is stacked with leftists is the cherry on top. >>2146180What's odd about the US team is how "unimaginative" they are. A big part of TNO is that the world is screwed up, which is why many nations around the world are politically unstable and can go in any direction. In contrast, the US system, just, stands there despite losing European markets and war? Very unimaginative.
As an aside, I do think many of the Germany devs are essentially using this mod to play out their own fantasies. For example England and France get threatened with da nuke and invasion if they don't kowtow to Germany, but somehow Sweden devs nukes and Germany doesn't go apeshit on them? Turning England and France into fascist client states while Denmark, Sweden, Romania are le wholesome democracy that can even elect reformist socialists?!? This is obvious bias. Combined with anti-Russian sentiment (i mean who else could challenge Germany), it makes total sense that this mod attempts to portray Germany as le invincible chad. You know that saying, scratch a liberal and you find a fascist, and the liberals of this mod have created a Germany beyond many Neo Nazi's dreams.
>>2146530nayrt, but i'd rather they dream and try to do something, than just do 2 years of content, and integrate TNOs content.They kind of HAVE to do some stuff differently than main TNO, if only because otherwise there isnt an incentive to play the mod.
>>2146580I really don't think so. They're out of touch retards living in an echo chamber. I also think it's also about clique politics. Are you in the clique? Then no rules apply to the tag. Are you out of it like the France dev? Eat shit and rework because my plot armor demands it.
>>2146538They did reboot the entire team in July, so a ton of the old leads left and they set up a new structure appointing all new ones. We have to see when they deliver their new update but so far, I would say give them the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to the retards over at TNO who have gone down a shit path for years at a time now.Also, my uncle who works at Requiem did claim that Nixon would actually be a presidential candidate in 1964. >>2146591We also didn't get any proper context to anything; just a flowchart. I want to see what they're actually trying to do with this before calling it shit.
>>2146591I think their hand was forced by Vote Pig simply being terrible. I just hope that whatever update they do make actually feels more distinct from TNO itself and isn't just a coat of paint over either the old content or Vote Pig. They shouldn't be afraid to get weird. Like the Hall leaks just now? More of that please, not twenty interchangeable liberals.>>2146657The fact that they got rid of all the nudevs and their planned minigames really is the one thing that gives me hope about the future for that mod.
>>2144814Just write a book, not dev a mod
>>2145581What is the self doxing incident?
>>2146889He put the leaks on his personal Google Drive. Calling it self doxing might be a bit much but it's really stupid no matter how you look at it.
>>2146889>guy gets demoted for saying dumb shit in public>ruins his own reputation for good in public by spreading leaks in a bunch of servers and getting banned from all of themIn conclusion, Hoi4 modding retards will be retards
>>2144942>the sharty VVON , sneed VVON , nutno devs acked xhem xfels
>>2145055nah fuck off , atlantropa has content and its fenomenal if u want go talk with the tno:ra dev in kiwifarms, and help him integrate those content or some shit , but i must say i do agree with u , tno:ra could have quagdong and the TT economy integrated , but for now those 2 things are not his primary focus
>>2147456TNO:RA will likely never get the economy and that's a good thing. I like it being distinct from TNO itself. If they can bring in Guangdong that's cool, but I'm happy to see the dev focus on cut content and other stuff we can't get anywhere else.
>>2147502RA has its own appeal, and Requiem has it's own appeal.What the fuck is TNO's appeal going to be in the future?
>>2147509People who want to play CWIC without all those yucky alt history routes while also having Nazi Germany at the same time, somehow.Not gonna lie it's really fucking grim.
>>2147521This map is so hard to read, and it feels to be made with this exact intention. Why not divide it into French, British, Native, etc. Africa? They just had to make it as incomprehensible as possible.
>>2147535It would have literally been better if they had no arrows and just flags.
>>2147535Just using alternating colors would've helped instead of making it a mish-mash of cyan lines that overlap. But I don't know how much that'd help when the big issue is that you have twenty tags that are just a single island or one-province statelet.
>>2147509Shoot any lib as Nixon
>>2147662Jury's still out on that one.Yes, it is the only part of Vote Pig that has a chance to be interesting, if nothing else because it'll be comedy gold. Them letting you nuke Haiti just to be evil is a good sign in this regard. But there's always the chance that they'll make it so unbearable and preachy that it'll still suck balls. Kennedy riding in on a horse to save America from conservatism? Oof, you just know that's going to be some masturbatory shit right there.
>>2147684natsoc nixon when?
>>2147712I think they're making him Personalistic Dictatorship but since they're making Schlafly go fash anything's in the cards at this point.
>>2147684Kennedy is also going to be actively dying and hiding his decline so he's not forced to resign. It'll be Biden basically.
>>2147865or is jfk meant to be harris since it will be pretty fucking obvious that nixon will be based of trump because they hate the orange man so much.
>>2147865>The kids liked nuking Germany as Omsk so let's have them nuke Haiti>The kids liked insane Biden in TFR so let's have Kennedy die from his immune disease in slow motion (in TNO2)Thanks Mango.>>2148670Mango & Gang were major Kamala shills and advocated for her leading the party long before they started to push out Biden so that seems unlikely. But I guess there's a chance that they flipped on her after losing to Trump. By the way: self-professed hardcore leftists as well as huge Kamala Harris supporters. Try to figure that one out.
>>2148676Inject this into my fucking bloodstream. I hope all their cope ends up in this update which it will set it up to flop and it will be glorious to see.
>>2148711Mango removed Romney and replaced him with Fong out of election butthurt because the Republicans weren't evil enough so you betcha it's going to be full of coping and seething.>tfw the mod's fucking dying because of one man's butthurt over a neoliberal losing an election
>>2148716muh realism but we are gonna have an asian have the chance to win the nomination in 1972. Pure Genius!
>>2148676>I guess there's a chance that they flipped on her after losing to TrumpEttingermentum did, dunno about the rest of them
>>2148720Not as wacky as an electable black woman in 1968.
>>2148722who the hell is he?
so, since the lockdown 2 months ago there are no more news from TNO? This shit has absolutely died since the DV announcement, and they said V&J was coming this year lol
>>2149497Nope. Some damage control and that's it.https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/?f=flair_name%3A%22Dev%20Diary%22If you go to their Reddit the highlights just completely dry up after DV. The announcement and the negative feedback it got was so overwhelming that it must've breached the echochamber. It's been two months months now without anything. They aren't even sparking any drama.Not gonna lie I think the fact that EaW cut them off was a major contributing factor too. They thought they could just dictate demands and harass a former off the Internet and instead EaW told them to fuck off, banned QPQ and then they had their ties cut in a very public manner. Both that and DV were very public displays of how much influence they've lost outside of the devcord.
>>2149497My sources are saying Iberia and that's it. DV might not be out till march. Some I even heard are ready to jump ship if 2026 is a flop. If only you knew how bad things really are
>>2149506>Both that and DV were very public displays of how much influence they've lost outside of the devcord.Honestly crazy how far one of the most iconic and influential HOI 4 mods has fallen, some Icarus shit.
>>2149513They really should just jump ship, Requiem is the only real chance TNO has leftSorry Rises Again, you are cool, but without Guangdong and TT I dont see the purpose, and the long term of the mod is yet to be seen. Small scale teams tend to either last a very long time or collapse within the first year, no inbetween
>>2149613>I don't see the purposePreserves the original version and allows people to go back and play that. Guangdong is cool but you have to admit that there's a crowd out there that will prefer things like the original Goering, the simpler economy and novelties like the various cut focus trees in the Iberian wars that they introduced.Not trying to start beef between the forks quite the opposite. I think it's great that Rises Again caters more to the 2020-era TNO while Requiem tries to have the best of both old and new TNO.>CollapseUnlikely, it's an autist's passion project with a public Git. Even if he leaves it'll be easy for anyone go step in and maintain it and still have it fulfill its niche: being a time machine back to OG Panzerite TNO.
Remember, anons, there is a race going on between TNO and Requiem. Who will release their next update first? Will TNO manage to be on time and get Antartic Chile and maybe possibly the Iberia facelift out this year? Or will Requiem beat them to the punch with The Last Light, a public refutation of everything that TNO is going to do in the future by giving new content to South Africa without reworking away anything that makes it interesting alternate history?Place your bets now, gentleanons, who's going to get ther shit done first? A team with near unilimited modding resources, or a team that was rebooted half a year ago? Guess we'll see. AFAIK Antarctic Chile is confirmed for this year while Five has said that they are aiming for TLL this year. But Five has been off the mark before so we will have to see.
>>2149673No one cares, it's a dead mod and its new fan fork.
>>2149673Anon its not when it comes out but if it's good. From what I've seen Antarctic Bassist and Five are both not insufferable bastards like the VP team so they already have a good start.
>>2149673Requiem physically is incapable of loosing the war for 2 reasons:1) Even if they are slower than TNO, they have less resources at hand2) TLL will release with actual content, TNO will release with glorified skeleton content
>>2149718nayrt but I agree that Bassist isn't a bad guy. There's a reason why there's never been any drama about him here and all the shitting on Antarctica is because people aren't interested in playing there. I'm sure that whatever either and their teams release will be fine for what it is. I wouldn't extend the same kind of courtesy to Mango and QPQ. Not that I think Antarctica will rejuvenate TNO but at least it won't damage it like Yippie and DV have.
>>2149740>glorified skeleton contentSadly hard to argue with. Antarctica is just a VN and DV is set to release with nothing but skeletons. There's always the chance that the US and Germany reworks release in 2026 and have content but if you have high hopes about either then I have a bridge to sell you.
>>2149745By the time we get V&J or VP/Yippee, Requiem will probably have released the integration of TAS, and potentially more post-unification content if the leaks from that one guy are to be believed
>>2149748Even if they don't they'd still have one up on TNO by just not removing heaps of content, see DV. Let's not even get started on how the imploding corpse of TNO compares to other more established mods at this point.
>>2149756YeahI mean, I pray for Requiem to succeed, that mod + Rises Again for LEGACY content, is like the one saving grace for TNO. If Requiem fails its basically guaranteed game over for TNO, if Requiem suceeds then TNO is so back and the fandom doesnt just get left behind as that one thing that was interesting for 3 years
>>2149760Either way though TNO has lost its chance to be "the" HOI4 mod. Depending on who you ask KR/EaW are still the Kings or TFR took the crown. The nudevs really sqaundered something great all because muh politics muh realism.
>>2149762Yeah, Requiem is basically just the chance to stay up there amongst the Kings, while the Emperor title remains out of reach.Who knows, maybe all the devs from TNO waltz over to Requiem someday, and Requiem sees an explosion in content. Maybe then TNO could have another shot, but by then HOI5 is probably being discussed at Paradox
Social media buttons on left (Cool that they are paying attention to those details desu), no clue what the rest is supposed to beRequiem obviously, TNO could never
>>2149764Let's hope it lives on in some form because I love the universe and hate what the nudevs did to it.
>>2149764>HOI5I wonder what the plan is for the big total conversion mods, just a straight port over to HOI5 or sequel mods?
>>2149781Too early to tell, anyone telling you otherwise is a total liar. We don't know what it'll look like yet. If they raise the required skill set for modding we might even see mods stick it with HOI4 for longer. It's Paradox's most successful product after all.
>>2149781I can almost guarantee we will see all the major mods stick with HOI4 while having a side project for HOI5 going in the background.Why? HOI5 will release with half of HOI4s features, so it wont make sense to change to it at launch.
>>2149787>HalfThat's generous. Still, I hope HOI5 sticks with the somewhat more arcadey feel of HOI4 so that we can at least see mods like KR and other big ones make the move to 5 without jumping through a ton of hoops.
>>2149794Imagine they remove Focus Tree in 5
>>2149795First Paradox game to sell five copies on release.
>>2149795I think people would at least tolerate it if they substituted it with something like EU4's mission trees. If not, then the retards in Stockholm will fondly look back on the Imperator days as the "good times".>tfw TNO is so fucking dead the most activity it's had in days is people discussing a far more interesting unreleased game
>>2149803So who do you blame for the death of tno? Mango Corn or Lamounier. Its one of those 3. I'm leaning more on Corn. LIR killed all the momentum TNO had since SD and they have yet to recover from that. But is there anyone inside or outside TNO who could save it?
>>2149844Requiem literally exists of people exiled from tno (Rei) or people who have been rejected outright by TNO (Five). TNO literally made the 2WRW project by handing it the two people who turned it into Requiem. In another universe, TNO integrated Heldenvolk and kept Rei working on it too and 2wrw wouldve just been a submod.Those two are the ones we know of, i'm sure more others left TNO for Requiem.But these people just had to hold power and push their own retarded friend clique vision through. They caused their own undoing which is both poetic and funny.
>>2149769Looks like the social media of those countries.
>>2149764>>2149781Hoi5 realistically isn't releasing this decade. Eu4, vic2 and ck2 felt way less modern at the equivalent time of their lifespan than hoi4 feels now, as an example hoi4 is the same age now as vic2 was in 2019.
>>2149874>hoi4 is the same age now as vic2 was in 2019.
>>2143342How doe this shit leak?
trying to play as omsk in TNO requiem but it keeps crashing after a certain focus, what do
>>2149883Because Mango is a fag.>>2149929Since we've had people post screenshots of them finishing the campaign it's likely an issue on your end. I'd suggest heading over to their Discord, someone might be able to troubleshoot you through it.
>>2149929if you crash in 1963 ish, it could be because you've got both the original TNO and Requiem on at the same time. It works up to a point and then crashes.
>>2144401QuoProQuid Reddit gem:https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1n2k5to/comment/nb7myv4/In reality, Nixon ran a very moderate administration and conservative activists like Phyllis Schlafy were disappointed with the course that he had taken (creating the EPA, affirmative action expansion through both the Philadelphia Plan and guaranteed minority loans through the SBA, price and wage controls, Detenté with China, etc,) there were even talks amongst some conservatives of creating a Reagan/Wallace third-party ticket.
>>2150066>QPQ has Nixon derangement syndromeImagine my shock.
>>2150069how much do you want to bet that his mother was a druggie and got arrested during the war on drugs.
>>2149956is this one person studio?
>>2150066Correction: Reagan/Wallace was a plan that they had for 1976, not 1972, but still, the AIP's 1972 nominee (John Schmitz) served as chairman of John M. Ashbrook's 1972 attempt to challenge Nixon from the right, when he lost (as expected) he was so dissatisfied with Nixon that instead of reluctanctly endorsing him (like Ashbrook did,) he changed his party affiliation to AIP, won the AIP's 1972 primaries, and received 1.1 million votes.
>>2149860So you're telling me Requiem has 9 socmed accounts right now?
>>2149769I'd love to see more alt history's actually go into online culture like ovrhvn
>>2150408no retard, its just fancy buttons that link to the same things.
>>2150570It took be a few seconds to get it myself but it's actually pretty fun and clever. I like having various touches like that for the various nations you play like how the credit ratings appear differently if you're part of the German sphere. It's just one of those nice worldbuilding things.
