new patch https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24225582/starcraft-ii-5-0-15-ptr-patch-notes
>>2148333The obs change makes no sense to meIs it because terrans refuse to build ravens?
people still play this game?
Pootos demolished
>>2148333nobody plays this dead game
>>2148822It's literally the most played RTS...
>storm is now a "zoning tool">enemy armies can just walk through it with no fear>disruptors are still garbage>colossi are even weaker against terran now that the viking is cheaperlollmao evendid chatgpt make this patch based on angry reddit threads?
>>2148844everyone is playing Warhammer DoW DE pvp now
>Psionic Storm duration increased from 2.86 to 8.58.>Psionic Storm damage reduced from 10 to 5 damage per tick.this would have been a good change in 2010. today? fucking retarded.
>Siege Tank can no longer be abducted when in siege mode.
>>2148844Its 24 hour peak is almost the same as AoE2.
>>2148902is this supposed to be a counter argument? aoe2 is the second most popular rts (not counting broodwar in KR)
Should I try SC2 out? It's free now
>>2148906>It's free nowbrother did you time travel here from like 10 years ago
>>2148906Sure, the campaign missions are fun (even though the story is retarded)
>>2148906wings of liberty is the best and most fun campaign in rts history
>>2148904this is an incredibly low bar, more people play FPS from 20 years ago.
Bring back 4 player mapsStop adding dead spaces behind mainsReplace the disruptor with a nerfed version of the reaver
>>2148844AoE2 and StarCraft 1 has more players no?
>>2148894If you are going to nerf it then make the max change first and then bring it back a little on the actual patch. It’s the same as the microbial change, if it’s not good at 50% it will never be good so they can scrap the spell and try something else.
>>2149064Have you seen a blizzard balance patch before?There's a 99.9% chance that this is the final set of changes
>>2148906Sure
>>2148894>>2148333these patch notes are fucking KEK
Blizzard finally took a look at the game. Saw Toss was 60% of ladder. Saw the tournament winrates of PvZ 63.37%, TvZ 61.40%, PvT 54.7% and dropped a nuke.
>>2148333basedfuck tossniggers
>>2149585>>2150015brown hands typed these posts
>>2149021>Replace the disruptor with a nerfed version of the reaverHow about they replace every new unit that's just a ripoff of a BW unit with the actual one while they're at it
>when 90% of the difficulty of your game is panning the tiny-ass camera around the mapsupcom solves this
>>2150020kys faggot
>>2149046Not even in the wildest of dreams.AoE2 does a paltry 24k over weekends. Brood War does not exist outside of S.Korea where it's played by a specific caste of people, normal S.Koreans have long since migrated to LoL, Overwatch and other competitive games.Starcraft 2 has been absolutely murdered by now but even its ladder pop is still more populous than all of AoE games put together. Though because MicrosoftBlizzard are corporate niggers, we're never getting the numbers on non-ladder people.
>>2150318Brood War is again the top dog in korea, with major revival of the streaming scene. Meanwhile SC2 is literally a dead game there, in non-meme way.
I want to give Starcraft 2 a try, how much content do I actually get access to without paying?
>>2151381Everything except>most of the co-op commanders>HotS, LotV, Nova campaigns>a bunch of microtransaction skinsSo PvP and custom games are fully available
>>2151422Are the other 3 campaigns good? Heard that PvP is pretty dead, but I guess it's good that at least it's free.
>>2151423WoL was the best campaign
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24227052/starcraft-ii-5-0-15-ptr-update>storm changed (no idea what the difference between duration and period is)>disruptor buffed (what the fuck is wrong with you, blizzard?)
>>2151423they're all worth playing, even if the story gets a little pants-on-head
>>2151472>(no idea what the difference between duration and period is)i'd assuming it's tick rate
>>2151500I'm sure one of them is the tick rate, but one of them should be the total duration of the spell and they're both nearly the same number
>>2151504my best guess is that it's 0.53312 secs for the first tick and then 11 ticks every 0.39956 secs for a total duration of 5 secs
did vikings really need a cost reduction?
>>2151509tanks didn't need their buff either, but we live in a terranny dominated world
>>2151509they were always 125 50 before fags nerfed em
>>2151513the question remains
>>2151472>Storm now double the size and duration with 17% less dps than liveFuck, 8/10 games are going to be PvP
sc2 is dead
>>2151509viking being 125/50 again might make it worth building a few of them as a goliath stand-in for terran mech builds instead of them being dead weight if your opponent doesn't go for an air comp. not sure why you would make them over thors still but hey I'm just a random shitter who knows. tank buff is retarded though.
>overnerf Protoss>reddit gets mad>buff it insteadthey really want that DEI championship
>>2151659the zerg cabal can't handle being spotlighted. just wait and watch the patch notes do a dance until they can slide by with straight zerg buffs and not get called out. the game is dead
>>2151659I don’t even really care as long as Zerg gets fun buffs. The Spire build time going from 71 seconds to 66 is lame, hydra den is 29 and the other buildings are around 40. They should make it 45 and bring back the Infested Terran in a rework. Microbial Shroud will never be fun.
>>2151661Infested Terran was terrible for the game
>>2151753that's like you're opinion man
>>2151758It was removed for a reason, anon.
>>2151759almost all expansion units should be removed too and yet here we are
>>2151774you can't simply remove a unit because you need something to replace it with. Replacing an ability is way easier.
>>2151784we could replace the disruptor with the reaver and the game would be 100x better
>>2151796Why don't you just play broodwar at this point
>>2151801Only people whose IQ starts with a decimal point think the disruptor is a good unit.
>>2151802agreed, true intellectuals vow for infested terrans
>>2151804only if you have to infest a command centre to get them
how are tossissies supposed to beat serrals now
>>2151980storm got buffed though
>>2151994it might be better against ground targets but its worse at protecting skytoss from corruptor dives
>>2151753That’s why they should rework it. Not having Infested Terran is terrible for Zerg.
>>2152026>Not having Infested Terran is terrible for Zerg.Why?
>>2152030It weakened Zerg anti air and harass. It’s led to an over reliance on Queens. Currently the race is boring with no real early aggression and a comparatively weak late game. Infested Terran would give them back more bite in the mid game.
>>2152050>Currently the race is boring with no real early aggression and a comparatively weak late gamewhy do zergs keep winning tournaments then
>>2152055Every tournament now looks like this. Both matchups are sub 40% for Zerg on Aligulac. Serral is too good.
>>2152066most of the zergs quit in the void ray era and they're not coming back regardless of how many buffs mutalisk get.
>>2152091Buffing them cannot make things worse than this.>Augusts 5k tourney
>>2152098show the full participant list
>>2152139
>>2152147damn, my boy Solar didn't even make it to the playoffs
>>2152050>he wants a return to the broodfester metafuck no, broodfestor was the worst shit ever and free units are cancer. drop the hydra to hatchery tech and reduce its cost, maybe add an upgrade for increased range or the HotS hydra stim ability for more attack speed, nerf the queen because its too much of a do everything unit.
>>2152217Shit you could make IT train from an infested barracks for minerals, then you wouldn’t have to turn hydras into marines. It could take the Queen AA responsibility and help Zerg get through a Protoss gatekeeper unit parked in the wall for more early pressure that is counter able with the correct response.
Widow Mine rearm should cost mineralsSpawning locusts should cost mineralsDisruptor should be deletedGive Ravens and Infestors a water balloon attackLower the unit card priority of Ravens so Terrans can F2 as wellMake Colossi not count as air units
>>2152244how are you going to get an infested barracks? is it going to be buildable by a drone, or will infestors be able to infest critically damaged terran barracks like the BW queen with a command center? dropping hydras to T1 and reducing their cost without stat changes won't turn them into marines, and would if anything be an alternative unit to make instead of roaches if you want a higher DPS unit at the cost of it being comparatively more fragile ok top of being (hopefully) simpler to implement. drop the cost to 100/25 to make up for it being able to target air and having a higher dps over the roach or 75/25 if they're still struggling. this way you don't have to add a separate infested barracks building or add a capture mechanich purely for training IT which doesn't really mesh well with the rest of the zerg building lineup or their macro.
>>2151784what was infested terran replaced with?
>>2152217>broodfestor was the worst shit everwhy was the game so much more popular back then?
>>2152585Broodlord Infestor meta is when SC2's viewership tanked, lil bwo
>>2152592it tanked when hots was released along with a bunch of shit units that made ladder unbearable to play
>>2151661https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1np8f9j/infested_terrans/this you?
>reddityou need to leave
>>2152577Microbial Shroud
Why is every SC2 map designed with a big dead space behind the main? Why can't mains just be in the corners?
>>2152602Yes, I’m actually every poster in this thread too
>pvp has a "community balance council" and even the one intern at blizzard maintaining it>co-op has literally nothingI'm not even asking for new content like maps and commanders. Balancing existing commanders, reworking prestiges, bug fixes, new weekly mutations, that sort of thing would be great.
>>2152677free space for muta/liberators/oracles to camp and harass from
>>2152837I get that's what the space is there forbut WHY does every map have that?
>>2152677the better question is why every single sc2 map is a braindead graph of squarish cells connected by chokepoints/ramps and why every single map has the same boring arcs of minerals with basically no interesting twists (for example a huge tiberium-like mineral field in the center of the map to fight over)
>>2152864SC2 pros cried and whined so much that they killed all variety in mapsCan't even have a 4 person map in a pool because WHAT IF I DON'T GET MY HECKIN SCOUT OFF IMMEDIATELY???? HOW CAN I PLAY IF I DON'T KNOW 100% OF MY OPPONENT'S BUILD FROM MINUTE 1?!?!?!?
>>2152868>4/6 worker start in BW/WoL>if you scout last, you still arrive in time to react to most aggresive builds>12 worker start in LotV>if you scout last, game may be already over before your worker even arrives there
>>2152896gasp maybe you should build defensively instead of trying to be as greedy as possibleor maybe all those people were right 10 years ago when they correctly pointed out that the 12 worker start was a horrible change and blizzard were retards for doing it
>>2152904The change was a no brainer and absolutely good for the average player. The first 2 minutes of the game were boring and a huge disincentive for the casual to hit the search button, multiply that by 100 or 1000 or however many games you want the average player to do for good retention. Who the fuck cares about the pros.
>>2152937The first 2 minutes is where all the variety of the games were decided.The change resulted in every match becoming exactly the same and exacerbating all the issues people have with lategame compositions because surprise surprise cutting out all the early game results in every game being late game slogs.
>>2152937>>2152940They could try out 8 or 9. Blizzard have a lot more leeway to try out design changes than the balance council ever did. It’s why I think we will see some version of infested terrans again at some point (not this patch). The asset is there, as long as nothing stupid escapes ptr containment they should try things out.
>>2152702Just imagine the Raynor overhauls you could do with like 30 minutes of code work.>let his CCs build as OCs like in the campaign, have them start at 0 energy to balance if you want>have mule calldowns be toggleable autocast wherever the worker rally is set, so he isn't the ONLY commander in the mode that has to look away from his army to macro (important agaisnt mutators)>give him tech reactors so he doesn't make 12 production structures every game>fix his firebats meme attack animation>let his bunkers start with 6 capacity, still inferior to mengsk's btw>make his p2 start with afterburners already researched and no tech or gas requirements for factory/armory like p3, make afterburners work exactly like stimpackBoom he's tolerable now. His early game is fixed, his late game isn't really changed at all, all of the noobs playing him because he's free only suck half as much.
>>2148894protoss is literally impossible to balance in this game. every problem is also related to 2 having "improved" pathfinding over broodwar
>>2152997warpgate is the problem
>>2152066i dont care what race is the best as long as it isnt protoss
>2025>still balancing around pro scene>while pro scene is literally gone
>>2152702blizzard could have gotten a lot more money out of co-op with only a little more investment
>>2153070My buddy and I had a lot of fun on coop, but there just weren't enough maps.Got really tiring doing the same 8 missions over and over again
>>2153071There are 15 which is enough but a new one every year or so wouldn't hurt if blizzard could be bothered. Playing on b+ with random mutators keeps it engaging and different each game. The problem is the commanders are very fairly priced at $5 each with deals to get several for free, meanwhile a single set of ladder skins is like $85 lmao.
>>2153074>There are 15Sure didn't feel like it the last time I playedMaybe we just had bad RNG but it felt like we played the same 5 maps every time we booted up the game
>>2153079Yeah a third of them are favored by certain players whose match history will be nothing but them over and over and over. A couple are actively avoided for being too long and boring, or for having a mechanic that actually forces co-op lol. I could have saved many hours of my life if they shortened mist opportunities from 30 minutes to 25.
>>2153006Pro scene is the only thing which keep Starcraft alive
>>2153185It's the other way around retard, it always was. What keeps it alive is the people who play it every day, and not just ladder. Not even 1% of those people give a fuck about who Serral faced in finals or what builds he used in any tournament, same with brood war. Most of the starcraft discussion on this board is just pro player eceleb circlejerks in a bubble.
>>2153188>Not even 1% of those people give a fuckBut they actually do give a fuck and much more this is why e-sport Starcraft 1-2 scene still around, unlike roleplayers who plays with bots.
>>2153185Well yeah, since those assholes decided to kill support for coop mode.
>>2153185pro scene should fuck off and die alreadyone of the main reasons why ladder can't be fixed for lower level players is because there's always some braindead subhuman go goes "what about muh toss tournament champions" whenever anyone suggests any change
>ladder fixed>for low level playersthis is bait
bruh what pro scene>GSL dead>ESL dead>World Championship got SAUDI'd$50 weekly tournaments are all you're gonna get from now on
>>2153185>We must destroy the game to protect the game>Also every tournament is 70% Toss and Serral or Clem still win
>>2152646so nothing then
>>2153363did you even bother to read the patch?
>>2153245if you can't understand that without lower level players giving a shit about the game enough to watch it you can't have a pro scene in the long run then you need to kill yourself immediately you retarded fucking nigger
>>2153370which one? microbial shroud isn't added this patch, it was in the game for years and was so fucking bad that it might as well not have been there at all
>>2153377good thing it got a complete rework this patch then
>>2153258Saudi Arabia is the saviour gaming needed.
>>2153444so it is possible to just delete an ability without giving anything in return afterall
>>2152677Some maps have special walls that block access to dead spaces but in general true corners are bad for the game because they limit the amount of viable playstyles without adding anything in return.
>>2153371all this to say you expect the game to be balanced around the fact that you suck at the game. God bless you man
>>2153621>because they limit the amount of viable playstylesHuh? The giant open area behind the map limits the playstyles just as much because the most viable harass is "stick a flying unit behind the main"
>>2152896>>21529049 worker start would have been the correct amount
>>2153661my point still standsif you've got nothing of value to add then stfu faggot
>>2153712What point?That you're bad at the game and want every balanced around how shit you are at this moment?
>>2153723that ruining the ladder for anyone who's not a progamer eventually kills the pro scene as well.if you're that good i take it you're playing at the next esl right?
>>2153701They can try it on the PTR after this patch goes out. It’s there to test things and at least 1 person is working on the game so why not?
>>2153895They'd need a whole new set of maps made alongside it
>>2153965That’s 1 thing the community can easily do
We need to stop letting Terran get away with being bad at the game.Why is this a thing? Forget to make workers? MULEs to the rescue! Can't scout or don't want to be bothered with actually moving out of your turtled two base? Scan solves all your problems! Oh, you were too fucking lazy to macro and are supply blocked? Drop supply from the heavens!The supply ability isn't being used? Turn it into a 500 HP unkillable wall that instantly regains all HP, nullifying any damage done to it. Repair, of course this ability was designed with this in mind. Repair is just too slow to permanently block out that pesky zerg out of a location or to stall that nerfed immortal.For fucks sake, this officially ridiculous. Terran is just being given the game for free, regardless of how fucking bad they are. Is there even a point for a terran to play the game if they're just going to say "You poor baby, unable to macro or work at getting better at the game. Don't worry, here is everything you need just automatically done for you!". At this point just open up a autobattle or direct strike
The smoke is that sc2 just isn't a good game to begin with. Heavily reworking storm is just grasping at straws. Nobody likes the new units and mechanics and there's no way to fit a good feeling rts in the sc2 box of unit movement and core mechanics. Think of all the nonsense design sc2 had endured over the years- 4gate, toilet, reapers, broodfester, MSC, swarmhost, tankivac, voidray, etc. It's just been a cheesy arcade game for a decade and a half with lousy aesthetic direction and too much ego.
>>2150318126k over 3 months does not even come remotely close to AoE2 numbers. shitcraft is dead
>>2155092can you post a chart showing AoE2's numbers for the same time period?
>>2155211NTA but steamcharts has that and hes wrong about aoe2 being more alive
>>2148333I can taste Blizz' desperation. They know both Ow2 and Diablo 4 are cooked, so now they're once again milking the last (kinda) good thing they did.
fuck protoss lmao git gud loooserersMore seriously, I don't understand why they're not continuing the trend started by the first faglance council, that is nerfing easy protoss styles (e.g. proxy void rays or wide disruptor nova radius) and buffing other, more demanding aspects of protoss (e.g. more microable tempest). The proposed storm change is literally the opposite of this goal. It's helping Gerald (P) against Milkicow (T) and Clem (T) against Maxpax (P).
>>2156575hearthstone still brings a lot of cashmoney with minimal effort
>>2156759protoss as a race has very few microable units compared to the others
>>2148333https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlel4-iezmEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlel4-iezmEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlel4-iezmE
>>2157184who?
>>2157215Go in the sc2 general chat and take count of how many people know him versus Clem or Reynor. You won't like the answer.
>>2157232you still didn't explain who he is and why I should care that he's graduating
>>2157235He makes and showcases single player mods and custom campaigns, as well as campaign challenge runs and some speedruns (without the tranny autism). And I mean this unironically when I say that he has singlehandedly maintained people's interest in starcraft more than any other person in the current year.
>>2157241That's sad.
>>2157244Sad for starcraft. He's a very cool and nice guy with a good youtuber voice. He'll probably do pretty well focusing on other stuff.
>>2157241>without the tranny autismPeople always add this caveat and it ends up never being true>Look, I know speedrunners are troons, but MY speedrunner who I'm attached to isn't like that! MY speedrunner is different!You gotta stop living vicariously through these people, anon. It's unhealthy.
>>2154950SC2 has too many "all or nothing" outcomes. A balance patch either makes a unit or an ability not worth using, or the only thing worth using. I think a lot of it has to do with units being too mobile and dps being too high, everything happens so fast that the mechanical distinctions become less pronounced and consequently players and playstyles don't have enough room to develop.
>>2157281You just come off as retarded because you have no idea who he even is.
It’s live, also>Broodlord bug fix made it in
>>2157281he's a white chubby hillbilly by birth, you have no idea what you're talking about and projecting your tranny fetish onto everyone around you
DAVID KIMYOU DID IT AGAIN
I wanted to start playing after many years>protoss nerfed to the grounddon't want to play anymore
>>2160122toss got buffed though?
>>2160122toss dominates at every level of play and just got even more buffs
>>2160170guess toss players are just more skilled ;)
>>2160117so close to perfection
>>2160117show me all those zergs who tried but were eliminated before ro16
I wish they'd stop fucking with the game I don't feel like looking up 2 years worth of changes and revisions and new bugs they accidentally added if I feel like hopping on ladder
>>2160703it was just a b tier weekly
>>2161351lmao retards takewhy not just hop on without looking anything up, knowing the game might be different?
>>2161598my mmr.... I might drop to silver league after working so hard to get into gold..............
>>2148894I haven't thought about this game in so long but what the fuck LMAOI do miss ithttps://youtu.be/85uXDqMLfy4?si=NCrt0511ND7marNF
Protoss aoe is even more insane but mech is better. I guess biofags need to transition to factory production for late game. I love that Mutas come out earlier but they are still trash. I wish they could morph into scourge so if I make them they actually will still have value against any other air unit.
>Psionic Storm damage was reduced from 140 to 110 over 6 seconds (23.3 DPS > 18.3 DPS).tosstrannies, this was supposed to be our patch...
>>2166483>intern still patchingalive game confirmed?
>>2166497he better keep patching lol given the ghost bug
>>2151660>>2166483Called it. 22% psi storm nerf in a "bugfix" patch and net 50% net to psi storm dps with baneling buff so it they can just roll through storm. It was all just a dance by the zerg cabal for this outcome to begin with, and this is how they thought they'd get it done under the heat.
