Out now on Steam and Game Pass. I kind of gave up on it during the Insider's Program but I got back into it during EA and they have improved it a lot.
>>2152083I ain't going back in until they fix the ui. Hate all the streamlining they've done.
>one of the premises is "will empires still be friends when oceans are no more?">empires are never friends because they don't know that they existTBQH if sometimes monsoons happened without drain being unplugged it would be more fun Also I hate the sound that corals make
>>2152762I agree that the UI isn't great, but I don't think it's particularly streamlined. It's just not intuitive enough. For example some important buttons are tiny (like the rush production button) while some buttons you rarely use are displayed prominently (like the empire overview). It's also hard to see what kind of buildings you've already built in a city, especially for factions like the Necrophages where everything looks the same.
Is it just me or polite vampire robot people are busted? Specifically the mass damage "archer"Made a stack of them and use it in conjunction with dragon stack to bonk them big horse monstersI still make an obscene amount of moneyOn the other hand lizards are really weak (with exception of oculum when it's surrounded by research quarters)
>>2153644U wot m8? The Astonomy Lizards are insanely good. Their special powers are some of the best in the game.
>>2153662The main issue with the Tahuks in my opinion is that their starting hero is trash, giving them poor early game momentum.
I want an update, or more realistically dlc, that brings back Auriga with all factions into EL2. So then you can pick if you want to play on Auriga or this planet on game creation. Leaving all those other factions in EL1 feels kinda wasteful imo
>>2153754pimp spongebob robot vampires are there and they have>best music>all the ca$h>AoE archers>ca$h
>>2152762>I ain't going back in until they fix the uiDevs have already started talking about thy're going to fix it.
Is expansion like that sprawling megacity shit from Humankind or more like EL1?
>>2154246>implying you couldn't get massive sprawl in EL1Either way, it's much closer to EL1 than Humankind. Unless you're playing Necrophages you're not going to get any megacities since you're very limited in how you link provinces. It's still possible in theory to fill up entire provinces with city districts, but so far I've won one game as Tahuks and one as Sheredyn and in both of them my cities were still small even at the end of the game. Between the fairly steep cost of adding new foundations and the fact that you spend the same currency to claim new provinces, found new cities, as well as plenty of non-city things like diplomacy, it's just not economical to make huge cities unless you specifically build towards them (which seems highly suboptimal to me anyway).
I remember EL1's writing being namby pamby, like when you play the questline for the vampires your leader is worried about being an imperial bastard, and basically none of it was about how his life as a vampire that predates on normal people, and I can't remember if the trans stuff was EL1 or ES2Is EL2 better or worse?Genuinely I really liked the Broken Lords because in gameplay they're dust wizards who ignore Food and Industry and have anti-synergy with integrating the angelic nun subfaction that wants to help people, and I really wanted the game to tell me about them and how they function, like how do they make a new person, are they a suit of armor given life? Do they know anything when "born"?>>2154270>it's just not economical to make huge citiesIs there a reason to in EL1? If I'm sprawling I've usually already won, even if I pretend I can't just kill the AI, though I play with DLCs off
>>2154608>Is EL2 better or worse?It's exactly the same in terms of tone and silly mismatched racial stuff, except now all text is presented as a dialogue which is kind of worse.
>>2154624oh :|
>>2153630Sorry, I meant the ui is terrible and a lot of the games systems got streamlined. >removed equipment for non-hero units>no laws/city planning>heroes are exclusively fighting units instead of being flexible governors>ui was perfect with the minimalism>quests aren't a box with text and art and are vn quality now>the council system replacing governors>luxury resources are stuck as 10 turn buffs>combat and city building are improved>populations retain their unique race1 step forward4 steps back
>>2154608Quests in EL2 are worse. All of them are presented as text dialogue without art. Writing quality is mediocre at best. It's sometimes hard to even understand is happening in the quest or how your actions are impacting it.I was hoping this stuff was just a stand in until later in development but it looks like they are sticking with it. >>2155221Yeah the major issue I have isn't the UI but the fact that they streamlined some of the more interesting stuff out of the game. I think they are trying to target the multiplayer aspect of the game with fast, streamlined turns with only a few things to think about each turn. I don't think that how most people play 4Xs and I don't think that it's the right approach.
>>2152083What the fuck, it's out?I thought this was gonna be a 2028 or beyond release
>>2155447It's early access but the vast majority of the stuff is already in.
>>2155221>>removed equipment for non-hero unitsthats replaced by the upgrade system>heroes are exclusively fighting units instead of being flexible governorsyou can put your heroes in as councilors during tidefall and it is worth recruiting weaker heroes if they have great traits as councilorsyou just get to use them in combat aswell instead of one or the otherthere is no way this is 1 step forward 4 steps back anon
>>2154246you cant make megacities because the cost of districts (both industry or instant buy cost) goes completely retarded so making more cities is always better compared to spending 20 turns or 10k to make a district
Is EL 2 any good@?!Should I play the first Endless Shart before!?>
>>2155454pretty good
>>2155456But should I play EL 1 first?
>>2155457no the battle system in that game is horrible
>>2155454Only played the tutorial scenario. I really like it and plan on putting a ton more time into it.
My autism freaks out when a large map with a standard amount of ai forces you to have a repeat faction cause they're not all in the game yet.>>2155221>luxury resources are stuck as 10 turn buffsI feel like more will be added to that, cause i agree it feels really bland right now with how it works.>>2152762If you played Civ 7 the UI feels like a dream.
When I read the science lizards faction briefing I assumed the Sages were referring to Drakken astral-projecting themselves from a dying Auriga to spread on their wisdom and traditions to new "reptile heirs"
>>2155625ES2 had a way to sink luxuries through population boosting and system development. Never played any civ game beyond V. Amplitude has a bunch of good shit they built the Endless games with. Taking inspiration from those who took it from you is a bad idea. >>2155457Most definitely. The music, style, and nihilism are all fantastic. Plus you'll see how much stuff they streamlined in EL2.
>>2155628I hope they bring the Drakken back. they can develop the faction by a bit, as the space coral have their original role.
Where the fuck is the buyout button for buildings, or the build queue for that matter.Or is it disabled for dust lords?
>>2155696Never FUCKING mindTurns out these retards made the collapsible lux resources tab cover crucial parts of the build menuWhy not just fucking put it under the strat resources tab???
>>2155701I miss the marketboard.
>>2155720Overall there does seem to be a general lack of ability to do things with other empires outside of warfare. The first game's trading system gave a much higher level of interactivity. I've won games of EL2 where I have not interacted with the other empires at all other than a few turns to grab treaties to ensure they don't bother me. I might as well have played on a map with no opponents.They will have to review this before full release.
It took me 150 turns to realise the tide goes down after every monsoon
Still amazes me how they went from Endless Space UI to their modern abominationsAlso hope they bring back that sweet artwork for anomalies
>>2155733>I might as well have played on a map with no opponents.ThisAlso what the fucks with sieges?>2 army stacks, 1 besieging>Enemy has 2 army stacks>Enemy army attacks non besieging army right next to sieging army>Sieging army is not added to reinforcement and it becomes 2 vs 1And then I just consume their city anyway without fighting any battle because that is possible somehow
I wish i could like Tahuk's more but i hate the starting hero, maybe im missing something but he feels so weak early game.
>>2156323DEI
>>2156323Thats just an industry wide problem. How many series have ruined UI's by going with some modern slop design.
>>2156707>How many series have ruined UI's by going with some modern slop design.Anon, Endless games were minimalist icon driven, modern design school flat-colored slop since the very beginning.
>>2155733>I've won games of EL2 where I have not interacted with the other empires at all other than a few turns to grab treaties to ensure they don't bother me. I might as well have played on a map with no opponents.That was my experience in EL1 and Endless Space 2 as well. Nothing ever fucking happens in their games, they are too "comfy"
>>2156707I can't play captain of industry after they changed their UI
>>2156733>minimalist icon driven, modern design school flat-colored slopWe have a word for thatClean
>>2156664caster hero is completely worthlesswarrior and archer are gooddefender is mediocre but atleast tanks forever
>>2153724Do you only get one hero option per civ?>>2154246The bugs force you to build one big hive city.>>2155445>Quests in EL2 are worse. All of them are presented as text dialogue without art. Writing quality is mediocre at best. It's sometimes hard to even understand is happening in the quest or how your actions are impacting it.Don't forget it is early access if you complain on the forums they might take the feedback
I know people are complaining about the UI but is it just me or does the endgame feel so anemic? I feel like I'm just doing just standard things and then suddenly victory. It feels like I'm barely entering the endgame and then suddenly its a victory before I've even seen half of the "story" going on or even accomplishing all that much
>>2157010>Do you only get one hero option per civ?The starter hero is always the same, but you get to pick one new hero from a pool of 3 or 4 after each monsoon. Thats the problem with the Tahuk cause they start with a caster and they're very undertuned atm. >>2156827>caster hero is completely worthlessI dont know if they just need to make them more damage oriented or give them more support skills to start. You almost feel like you're starting with a melee/scout army with that faction he sucks so much. Not to mention how squishy he is and the AI just beelines to him every fight.
>>2157282as tahuks you dont even want to try to fight before the first monsoon gives you another hero (the hero choices you get are also pretty shit)they can actually start fighting with the tier 4 unit which is a 5 range artillery unitthe tier 3 debuff unit is completely worthless aswell
>>2157243>is it just me or does the endgame feel so anemicIt's not just you, but the endgame is something they've explicitly mentioned as one of the main areas they want to work on during early access, so hopefully it'll improve a lot over time.>>2157339The Tahuk artillery is unironically one of the best units in the entire game, but yeah most of their roster is pretty unimpressive.
>Food is now useless
How do you deal with the bugs? I can win any fight against them since the AI just spams full stacks of pupas, but there's so many of them that when I beat one stack and they retreat, 2 more stacks appear and they just keep cycling the stacks
>>2154608>and I really wanted the game to tell me about them and how they function, like how do they make a new person, are they a suit of armor given life? Do they know anything when "born"?They're the same kind of being like the Vodyani from ES2, basically a Concrete Endless version. They even spell it out this time in one version of the Last Lords' final faction quest, for those who couldn't figure it out from EL1 already.
>first game as fallen lords>spawn 1 region away from Necrophages >get wiped off the planet before turn 30 cool fucking story bro
>remove forest questLiterally uninstalled.
>go for sheredyn master end>destroy 10 fortresses>>cutscene plays>>we were like really stronk>>but big guy didn't care and blew everything upUhh was that really meant to be the plan implied by this?I thought they'd have that virtual telling them how they sealed it or something?
>>2158176Meanwhile golden boys ending>everything blew up>fuck yeah>everyone else can suck our dick
those maps are way too fucking huge man
>leeching palanquin can't believe they added nukes to this game
Do you brick your cities by settling them next to an anomaly? I cant get them to max cause i cant get enough districts around the center to level it up past 2.
Which of the new factions is the cultist replacement?is there even a replacement?
>>2158319broken lords are strange their basic units are pretty bad but the first upgrade supercharges these niggaspalanquin is shit at first but first upgrade breaks the gamethe flying worm is pretty good but giving it leeching strike just breaks the gamethe tahuk artillery also gets aoe damage but that one is a bait since ignoring defense if far more op
>>2158400aspects kind ofthey are cultists/unfallen from es2 where the specialize in taking neutral factions over but also give beneficial coral which can be shared with other factions to boost them too
>>2158400There really isn't one, their major gameplay/idea has been kind of split apart. Like >>2158426 said, Aspects have the "minor pop puppet master" gameplay, and the Necrophages have the "one city challenge" part, except they can actually expand their city to the entire map if they want to, and aren't even restricted to adjacent regions/territories like the others.
>>2158426>>2158481gutted. heartbroken. shitting pissing and sobbing
>>2158400Speaking of new factions have they said what the next faction is going to be?
>>2158740im hoping for some industrial manlets
How infested is this game/developer? I remember fishmommy from ES2 being pretty kino, but it's been many years since then.
>>2155445Surely they'll release a quest overhaul DLC in 5 years?
Necrophages are too weak. They gave me a hard time at first, but once I focused on dealing with them I just started clearing out city after city until they were dead without even losing a single unit. And that's BEFORE I discovered that leeching palanquin are tactical nukes.Also I beat the game before I even finished the story, so who knows how that broken lords storyline ends.
>>2158877there are characters with brown skin so it's not for you
>>2158907i autoresolved the last batte as money boys without taking damage so that was a bit meh and it was also the only faction i completed the main quest as before winningthe ai cant play necrophages but they are extremely op in player hands and you win by tech tier 2 or 3
currently fighting off the bugs i started next to at turn 34, i just sieged a fairly new base of theirs and it's defended by 2 300 hp behemoths+ranged units? the fuck? i doubt they've built up fortification, do garrison start out this strong? my chosen is nothing compared to these guys
>>2159037garrisons are chunky yeah
>Attach two territories to my capital>Build keeps>Never build another city>Turn all my peons into divine beings>Have my main hero wait for tidefall to start trashing fortresses>Piss off another faction>Start making units at home>>2157661Don't let them build up forces, attack them first.>>2158381City halls can go beyond level 2?I think the huge amount of food and production they give is always worth it.>>2159037Don't attack into a garrison with only 1 hero stack, also get arrow rain it is essential, will make the difficult fights easier
>>2158381yes never settle directly adjacent to an anomaly that way you also get 2 science districts that are next to an anomaly
>>2156778iirc EL1 vanilla is like that but it's definitely not like that with the expansions and human opponents or the unofficial patch. the urkans alone force players to interact with each other
I swear Necro are hard coded to start next to Tahuk if you play them. I just wanted to try them out outside the miserable early game and i kept getting them right next to me to the point i just disabled them just so i could try out the later units. I dont know how you deal with Necro early game as the lizards when just their starting hero can basically solo your early armies unless you get a terrain advantage>>2159106>City halls can go beyond level 2?Yeah you have to build a triangle of districts to level up the districts around the center which will level up the city hall to 3. I dont know if its a bug or not but getting to max doesn't seem to increase the number of camp attach points for the city cause im still locked at 2/2.
>>2159209I had them next to me in my Tahuk game too, basically just stalled my game because when I went to go fight them I had to keep dealing with all of their annoying burrows and constant respawning. I'm playing a Last Lords game now and I haven't met any necros yet and I'm on the 2nd monsoon and now the game is too uneventful.
>>2159209camp attach points come from tech anon
official tier list>S tierTahuk>A tierLast lords>D tierthe human>Haven't played tiercoral guy>disgusting tier, no seriously their fucking city and buildings are fucking disgusting to look atnecrophage
>>2159440>s tiernecrophage>a tierlast lords and kin of sheredyn>d tieraspects>starts with caster hero tiertahuks
>finally try EA after suffering through insiders>they fixed a lot of the things I didn't like>it's actually kind of good nowNice. The tech tree is still pretty limiting, but citybuilding is so much better than I remember.
The lack of artwork is killing me.
>>2159422Ahh i see, they need to change the tooltip on the attach screen. Cause they make it sound like its just tied to city level. I was so focused on the techs for the various districts, units and such that i just kinda missed the connection cap stuff!
>>2159627I complained about it in insiders beta too. Their games were carried by it, what a weird choice to get rid off itI also find soundtrack to be far worse than in their previous games
>>2159717Its like Arnaud forgot his instruments at SEGA.
>>2159668it probably was like that in some earlier version and got changed but they forgot about the tooltip
my turn 15 faction starting quest is to cross an untraversable sea and kill a hostile army right next to the Necrophage capital
>early game necroI'm just a little bug eating things nom nom nom>mid-late game necro"And this is the meat hole. This is where the meat goes."
>5 factionsso playin on the biggest map is kinda pointless?
>>2159764>First quest kill hydracornsEven after adding units its a dangerous battle
Echoing another anon here, but if one hasn't played the first one a ton, is that still good to play through the ground until 2 is out of EA?
>>2159209>Level 3 districtsHow big is the jump from level 1 city center to 2 to 3? Is it big enough that you should prioritize placing your city in a place that allows you to get to level 3 (ie not on the edge of a territory) and ignore the initial starting 7 tiles you claim?
>>2160275you can probably get it for cheap or pirate it to see the battle system then report back on whatever the fuck that was
>>2160331every level of a district doubles its base yields that includes the city center (not the tile bonuses but the district itself)never settle directly next to an anomaly since that does not count as a district and will fuck up your district levelingalso you can build 2 science labs next to the anomaly letting you get the adjacency bonusbuild near a river if you can the hydropump from second tier tech is the most broken building in the game
>>2160275I'd say so yesThe first one is my favourite 4X, but combat is pretty bad
AoW4 is better
>>2160498will be mogged hard in a couple years time when this one has dlc out aswellaow4 was basic as fuck and straight up horrible in some areas at launch
>>2160455This is kind of what I don't like about such a major focus on adjacency bonuses. In EL1 I'm pretty sure they had a lot of district types that had to be built on the specific tile itself. So if you built next to an anomaly you got it's benefits from claiming it in your city zone. But once you got the anomaly district you could build it on the anomaly then get additional benefits from sitting on the tile.
>>2160498>AoW4 is betterlollmao
>>2160550Amplitude is really bad at making dlcsI own all major EL and ES2 dlcs, yet I disable them in ES2 and ignore most new mechanics in EL
>>2160615the adjacencies would not be so bad if the territory generation was not completely schizophrenicthe amount of random pockets that get taken by adjacent territories is way too high
Learnt to scout the shorelines, need to know where to send my chosen for resource gathering.>>2160455>never settle directly next to an anomaly since that does not count as a district and will fuck up your district levelingAn anomaly blocks off 1 hex as long as there are no mountains/sea blocking off other hexes, you can settle on it, you might need a territory attached to get all the hexes for grand city hall but 160 influence isn't that much especially if you build the forum early. You would need to spend 55 influence and wait for the first lab to get the anomaly in your city and you can build 2 labs on an anomaly anyways. I would advise new players to go for the anomaly if the placement can give them a grand hall down the line.>build near a river if you can the hydropump from second tier tech is the most broken building in the gameYeah that tech is good, I tend to prioritize science though, every tech gets more expensive so you need lots of it>>2160498lol
>>2160696I'm hoping it's just the system they were under with SEGA. Forced to shill what were essentially faction packs. I turn off Penumbra because hacking is just a boring mechanic. It was just more stupid shit to do every turn in the late game, for minimal effort. The rest are okay, but they are essentially just faction packs, or add a couple of cool things like Behemoths.
I think they added a couple zeroes on accident to this trait.
>>2161013Its pretty hilarious though.
>>2161013Is it supposed to be a ghetto way of getting guaranteed crits? Though having a hero with guaranteed crits all the time is pretty damn strong.
>>2161016I think its supposed to be 2 or 20% but the extra zeroes are a bug or mistake. And its not just the lord its the entire army walking around with 100% crit rate.
>>2159106Having a super fortified mega city is great and all until someone decides to siege you and turn off all your production, science, and pop growth.
when's the next patch?
Anyone know what the patches to EL1 and ES2 over past few days are for?
>after 2nd tidefall
>>2162052>>2162118outskilled
Was anyone else able to play the Sandshapers? I like them. They're like a combo of the Nakalim (relic hunting) and the Riftborn (thrive on extreme tiles).
Is there any way to cleanse bleed in combat? Its silly how it just lasts the entire battle.
>>2162796no and its the main reason you cant do fortresses earlier
Why the fuck can AI occupy your camps even when your army is standing on top of it?
>>2162440I liked the idea of them, but I didn't like playing them mostly because of how nerfed they were by getting just a little wet. Also didn't like how they had -1 movement point or how they made more ruin tiles that you're still not able to colonize and mostly just get in the way. Why ruins aren't just an anomaly type at the very least is beyond me. I did think their ruin restoration was neat, though. I also didn't like how static their unit models looked. Hopefully, that was just because they were still early in development.
What was the deal with the Mezari in 1?
>>2163867Vaulters were so cool, they made Vaulters 2.
We really need the option to deconstruct our own camps and/or cities. Aspects get especially fucked by this since killing coomwraiths gives them a coral spore on the tile the wraith was on, which is usually a tile on the edge of a region. And, for whatever reason, this happens inside of your own regions.Sidenote: Occupy as a city capture action fucking sucks.
if you asked me what really fucked with this games balance it was the Guardians, if you were lucky and spawned with some basic resources, you hired one of these fucks and steam rolled the entire map.
>>2163867Reskinned vaulters as a preorder bonus, supposed to be the original humans of the endless setting before they decended into the vaulters and the united empire, pretty much what the vaulters could've been in the early days of auriga
The music in this game is so fucking good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtqgtUZUTyc
I can't figure out if I like 2 or not.It's not immediately gripped me the same way 1 did.That some I do like/hate some the features. Higher tier resources being time gated behind monsoons is a good way to stop one empire screaming ahead with tech advantage, the problem is it stops optimal plays from screaming ahead.Camps connecting to cities is good way to stop dead terf that wasn't worth a city from being thing since there's a less costly investment available now.The logo has a cultist tower right in the middle which gives me hope my beloved will return.
>>2165123>cultists returning>after auriga frozeThe Cultists found their eternal end in the icy depths of Auriga. Plus EL2 takes place during the space age of the Endlsss setting (ES2)
>>2165124I dunno man. That mask on the pillar is 100% cultist or at the very least another abandoned Endless thing.Perhaps we'll get functional Endless AI that play the opposite of the malfunctioning cultists.
>>2165127That's just how the Endless look like. Maybe if the game took place during Auriga's descent into an icy tomb there could be a Cultist faction.
Have they said when the next faction is coming?
>>2165545The roadmap seems to indicate next year.
>>2165545I would guess they intend to release it on release and then do 1 or 2 DLC packs with more factions later
>allows them to remove negative status effects from a targeted friendly unit, granting them immunity to such effects for two rounds.Minor faction shouldn't be this strong that it counters an entire factions passive ability.
New update test branch released>https://community.amplitude-studios.com/amplitude-studios/endless-legend-2/blogs/1004-public-test-branch-update-6>Cruel battle skill now ignores the defense of the unit attacked instead of guaranteeing a critical strike.Broken Lords losing -1 range on Palanquin and Thralls no longer crit
>>2166188palanquin was the best unit in the game outside of heroes so deserved desu
>Relic Keeper unit now has 130 Health, 5 Defense, 40 - 50 Damage, 0% Critical Chance, 3 Movement Points, and the following skills: Ranged III, Targeting.kek, the lizards are stealing the coral's guaranteed crit debuff
>>2166197the lizards need a whole lot more than that to not suck cocks
>>2166188>Look at unit changes>Its just numbers everywhereIm too dumb to be able to read that. Outside of the Palanquin nerf did any other units get a big change?
>>2166343they still have the scout movement bonus on only the other side of the upgrade tree meaning the other side will continue to be ignored because why the fuck would i use a scout in my army if it does not give me movementworrying that they are so clueless about the units they themselves made
>>2166377Im not defending it, just trying to think what they're thinking. And i wonder if they have it like that to give you the option of a cheap military unit that can can spam out early game or in emergencies. Then give it that military tree to keep that spot alive through the game.
>>2166409in most cases the movement bonus is on the dust upgrade path so the other one takes titanium and why in the hell would i use titanium on a scout upgradeim genuinely curious what they were thinking with these
The fuck am I supposed to do with an excess of titanium? It's practically worthless to sell it because there's so much on the market.
"Diplomacy" is complete ass. Reusing the awful system from HK was not a good idea.
>>2167016stock it up you will need it for the last tier resource extractors
oh no you don't
well fuck me, the AI is actually rushing down fortresses on the test branch
>first major update in EA>sweeping balance overhaulKek, they have no idea wtf they're doing. This is exactly why I knew I couldn't trust them whenever they talked about balance.
>>2167603>EAYou are the playtester and the QA anon, accept that.
>>2167278Cant wait to ambush their half dead armies and then cap the camp after.
>>2167729No where did I say or imply that I wasn't or don't accept that. Plus, I'm an insider. This has been the case for months at this point. If anything, that means I have an express pass to complain about the devs' terrible decisions since I've seen all of them on full display for a prolonged period of time.And why are you acting like this thread isn't intended for discussion of specifically EL2 and even labelled as "Early Access Edition"?
>>2161450This wasn't answered but there was some major bugs found that caused security vulnerabilities in the Unity engine that EL uses.
>>2159988Nah, the biggest map is not that huge.Also like 75% will be under water anyway for most of the game.
Hope they improved on naval combat because who the fuck though the first ones was a good idea?
>>2155445I was really hoping after the shit that was Civ VII that EL2 would be wonderful. Turns out it's just more garbage. Oh well, I guess we need new 4X studios getting started, these studios need to die.
