I am currently in the early stages of developing a real-time strategy game that aims to combine elements from Age of Empires II and Warcraft III. Both of these titles have had a major influence on me as a player and as a designer. Age of Empires II is remarkable for its strategic depth, focus on economic management, and large-scale battles, although I have always felt it is somewhat limited in a few key areas, such as unique unit mechanics and hero-focused gameplay. Warcraft III, on the other hand, introduced those very features through its heroes, abilities, and more character-driven armies, yet it lost some of the depth found in other systems, particularly in the balance of ranged units, counter mechanics, and naval warfare.My goal is to create a game that brings together the strongest qualities of both styles. I want to capture the grand scale and tactical complexity of Age of Empires II while incorporating the individuality, progression, and fantasy-driven personality of Warcraft III. The idea is to give players the satisfaction of building a thriving civilization and commanding large armies, while also offering memorable units, meaningful choices, and greater variety in strategy.I would love to hear from the /vst/ community about what you would like to see in a project that blends these two approaches. Which mechanics or ideas from either Age of Empires II or Warcraft III do you think are essential to preserve, improve, or completely rework?I am also open to suggestions for other RTS games that might serve as good sources of inspiration. Whether they are classic titles or more recent releases, I would really appreciate your thoughts on what makes those games stand out and what lessons they might offer for this project.Thank you in advance for your insights. I am looking forward to hearing your ideas and discussing what could make an RTS like this both exciting and rewarding to play.
>>2182453is it safe to assume that brown women who love white men are a key part of this game or is that an irrelevant lust provoking image
>>2182464>>2182453It could be..>I am looking forward to hearing your ideas and discussing what could make an RTS like this both exciting and rewarding to play.
>>2182453Yeah? Post some of your previous or at least current work. Lame attentionwhore.
>>2182453Seven Kingdoms 1. I want it's siege and Inn.>Harpoons, Ballista, Cannons, Unicorn.I want them to be broken up into sub types not just bombard but purpose types of siege weapons. Eg. Small................Medium....................................LargeE.g. Hand Cannon, Mortar, Serpentine, Bombard, Grand Bombard.
>>2182453Orcs are invited into militant kingdom after a war as refugees, it leads to an uprising the kingdom is destroyed, the remains of the kingdom those who survive purge the orcs and vowel never again to trust their kind. a strong leader emerges from this wearing an iron cross.
>>2182453If you want example of RTS games with heroes there's stuff like DoW2 having commanders with their own wargear or AoE4 having the mongol's khan and Jeanne D'arc. The JD subfaction seems like the closest example of what you're looking for in a real and alive RTS game.imo unit customization and hero mechanics in RTS are overrated and only serve to fuck up balance.That being said I doubt you'll get anything done considering how many retards fancy themselves gamedevs nowadays and your nothing burger wordsalad post is the telltale sign of the kind of overthinker that never even starts.I will be shocked if you manage to make anything resembling an alpha and the chance of an indie rts not bombing are next to null so my advice would be to spend your time doing anything else, but if you have what it takes then good luck and I'm looking forward to playing whatever you make.
>>2182453Use AoEII's gameplay as the core, but make the factions diverse in terms of units.You could go and take some notes from Age of Mythology too.The only true difference would be the heroes.Have them be like WCIII ones, but also take notes from the Warlords series (Battlecry sub-series of it to be precise) and give them an inventory that works like an actual inventory (helmet, armor, boots, gloves, weapon/great weapon, shield/other, ring slots, talisman slot, backpack slots, quick use slots for consumables).Hell, take further notes from Warlords and allow for the classes to be modded as they level up to fit specific roles. Will your Paladin be a tanky damage-sponge that can laugh at the big-ass demon whose doomblade shattered when it hit the Pally in the crotch? Or will he be a powerful support unit that can actively heal your whole army while damage any demon and undead at the same time just by being around?I mean you could make them specialize on top of unlocking new abilities like WarCraft III heroes do it.
>>2182453The two's complexity paradigms seem to be multiplicative in a way unlikely to be manageable to anyone but the turbo-sweats without serious structural changes to each and thus would devolve into an APM race to hell as a result of the obscene burst-fire capabilities from letting Blizzard spellcasters onto an AoE battlefield. My first thought for easing this is to go with squad-based units instead of individuals, so that some of AoE2's unit count and stats scaling can be offloaded into increasing manpower per unit and WC3 style support casters can be attached as specialists to apply large helpings of quality-of-life to many more of their abilities.This also eases the strain on disbelief in heroes turning the larger scale battles by having them lead or attach to units capable of pressuring such without the character, giving limited access to units without all of the standard techtree requirements to get "fun" things sooner in the match/campaign, loosen time and cost sensitivity of countermeasures, and access a one-off "keystone" without a large investment in otherwise-unused overhead.Creeping feels like a must to keep for WC3-in-specific identity and its early-game hero interactions, and I feel that the increased scale could be used well to turn WC3-style expansion fights and mercenary camps into minor faction bases with all the attendant opportunities of "creeps" having production, while AoE2-style scattered resources offer income for longer buildup strategies and organic competition points between minor factions.Another must to keep is user maps/campaigns. Yes, it's a pain to set up your codebase for, but it is utterly goddamn essential to the longevity of these games because it lets the consumers do the content treadmill for long-term engagement instead of you. If you lay a good foundation and let them build upon it, it won't matter if you give up on polishing it into a good game on its own merits.
non-consensual sex with Korra
>>2182635can you hide your powerlevel, like, just a little
>>2182453AoE2 base building please(more building, more production buildings) but make sure that house walling isn't good. Make it so if you want a wall, you need to build a wall.
>>2182872You're describing Age of Empires 3, just with an unworkable hero inventory system.
>>2182453No thanks, one AoE2 is plenty enough for all the damage it's done to the genre. For once in your life do something right and give players game that hasn't been done to death. And if absolutely must ape something, pick a less overrated franchise, preferably one that's totally forgotten. How about Total Annihilation: Kingdoms? There's a billion SupClones doing nothing but sci-fi shit but not a single miserable dev ever gave this obscure fantasy classic a second chance. You can't fuck this up.
>>2183229>for all the damage it's done to the genreIt appears its superiority has led to some controversy
>>2182453Do you have any idea what you're doing or are you just posting for gratification only to quit the "project" in two weeks after you get all of your (You)s and upcummies?
>>2182453Leaving aside the fact that this will never come to anything and projects like RTS games of this scale are not one man affairs:A large part of why AoE 2 works and can get away with its more complex economic development is that its units are generic, rather than unique and mechanically complicated. This isn't just an issue of complexity burdening the player, but a matter of design. The identical set of units between civs and lower complexity of units allows civs to have clear strengths off fairly minor bonuses; AoE is ultimately a game about snowballing very minor advantages. Investing into the right resources to make the right units has heavy strategic weight to it that really can't exist alongside a mechanically complex unit roster. The WC3 style with heroes and very distinct, faction-specific units promotes a game where micro (even low APM micro, like correct ability usage) is much more impactful to the outcome of a fight than having 10% more knights.Also, having units with abilities or too high of a micro need would fucking suck in battles of 100+ units.
>>2183229>No thanks, one AoE2 is plenty enough for all the damage it's done to the genre. For once in your life do something right and give players game that hasn't been done to death....Where the fuck is the swarm of AoE2 clones blighting the wider genre? It's overwhelmingly nu-Blizzard gookclicking and Total Annihilation "spiritual successors" as far as I have ever seen.
>>2183222Fuck...
>>2182453there’s better bleached edits of this image and it’s kinda distracting how bad this one is
>>2183229ignore this retarded post OP. I had just been topped by my wife's bull and wasn't thinking straight.
>>2183255I don't know of any AOE2 successors unless you count chinese games that rip off the designs of buildings but are nothing like AOE2. Then sure.I just want hero mechanics of WC3 better or improved. AOE2 mechanics for siege, arrows and melee.
>>2183301proof?
>>2182453Is Korra as bad as people say? Rewatched the original series recently and I've been thinking of finally giving her show a go to see what I make of it
>>2182729The commander in SupCom is basically a hero unit, and it's really good (for simultaneously dissuading and promoting rushes, etc.).
>>2183229>>2183255What TA-likes even exist, specifically with a commander and land, sea, and air?
>>2184793zero-k, supcom and BAR
>>2184796Two of those aren't even A+ budget and advertising (are they even real studios?). It's definitely not "a billion TA likes".
>>2184823"SupClones"*.
>>2184823idk nta
>>2184607Bi dude I know said it's a show for straggots, whatever that means. Despite Korra and Asami getting together at the literal end of the show, most of it is spent on drama over various romance triangles.
>>2182453Is Korra gonna be in it
>>2184927Elaborate on Korra then, as a Hero. Framed in the WC3/AOE2 context. Her abilities and voice-lines and backstory as a unique character.
>>2184793Industrial Annihilation, Planetary Annihilation, Ashes of the Singularity, Sanctuary: Shattered Sun, Rusted Warfare, plus >>2184796 Basically The biggest RTS fad of the decade.
>>2185098People keep saying that RTS genre is dead when in fact the market is oversaturate, i guess people just want more StarCraft 2 even if every attempt will result in outmost abysmal dogshit, even those who claim to be looking at C&C for inspiration just make parodies or StarCraft 2 clones.
more bleached pics please!
I feel like the hero system from WC3 would be a major thing in the alexander campain can't even find him half the time.
>>2185098AotS didn't have zoom or all of land, sea, and air, IIRC.SSS isn't out yet.Rusted Warfare is 2D.
>Planetary Annihilation was 11y ago.
>>2185625Did that game actually work?
>>2182453Pumping..
>>2185044She's Inuit girl who fights for the Vikings as shield maiden hero and can summon dire wolf for backup.
>>2182453I think creeping is an essential element of WC3. How do you envision that working?
>>2190094I agree with you, it's something that must exist much like AOE2 wolves.Both? Both. I feel like in AOE2 context. Resources like large stone piles and gold piles would be controlled by creeps.
>>2190094age 3 did creepscould also do like rise of legends where they control special buildings
>>2190583Doesn't everybody hate age3?
>>2190590There is an odd loyal following that still sticks it out for AoE3 DE according to Steam Charts. They get pissy on AoE2 and AoE4 posts by the devs on Steam as well hilariously enough.
>>2184853>a show for straggotsStraggot is a slur used by faggots against straight people so he's complimening the show
>>2190634it's a bad show, but that's a >>>/tv/ thing.
I don't give a fuck about Korra or Avatar in general but I like chocolate anime musclegirls
>>2190788Help design a good chocolate anime musclegirls for anons game then.Strength attribute.
>>2190583>>2190590>>2190624AOE3 creeps are like an after thought they have no purpose beyond like loot, WC3 has thought behind them there's map options to find them and there's clear placement for their location from easy to medium and hard, escalation and reasons behind where they need to be.
>>2182453Asami's futa cock really converted Korra into a bleached bunny, huh?
>>2192436>asami>bleachedshe's literally asian
>>2192462GET RICED KEK
>>2190788Same. Never watched the show, but have gooned countless times to Korra porn
>>2192462Indians are not asian
>>2192564>Stealth attempt to claim Asami as IndianI see through your tricks.
>>2182453I would really like autocast to be on every spell, actions, etc. allowing for AI to perform blocking arrows by using shield if arrow fire if autocast is on.Infinite production que like RON.
>>2192577NTA. What about a group cast mechanic instead?
>>2192679elaborate. as you make a good point.You mean like many priestess are required for AOE healing spells or what
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