Backpedal, FAST!
How are we feeling about new civs and leaders?
>>2188709>weare feeling dumb, gay and woke :D
>>2188695Too little, too late.>>2188709Standard behavior by firaxis, one male leader means one female leader, no matter how obscure and unimportant, be added.
>>2188695>FAST!Isn't this shit like 2 years old now?
>>2188796no.
>>2188709>stalin added >lenin added >mao added >some random literally who go-girl woman "ruler" (probably ruled for grand total of 3 months in the period between her king husband died and his son came back to the capital) added >STILL not hitler
Just wake me up when Civ 8 comes out.
>>2188845Probably never
>>2188845Don't get your hopes up, at all.Even if Firaxis isn't shut down, which is very much in the cards because it's been on thin ice for a while since the Marvels game failed, then Civ8 would just be more of the same. This is what Civ is now.
>>2188695Woah, check it out guys! A NEW FEATURE FOR CIV7!
>>2188845>Civ 8 Can't wait for civ switching every 5 turns and 85% of the leaders being procedurally generated black women
>>2188845>here lies anon
>>2188831
>>2188709The pirate culture in Humankind felt like a pleasant surprise when I noticed it but here it feels… pretentious. I guess because it’s painfully obvious that they’re copying their homework at this point, but somehow managing to implement all of these stolen features in even worse ways.Iceland sounds cool though.
>>2188709>Muslim woman leader Lmao they do absolutely no market research for this shit
>>2188764>one male leader means one female leader, no matter how obscure and unimportant, be added.The hoe on the right was more historically relevant than the terror of the Carolinas meme on the right thoughbeit.
>>2189061On the left*, goddamn it
>>2188695>"one of the most requested features since launch" is something that was arleady a thing since Civ1 IDGI, was Humankind really this much of a threat for them to copy it 1:1?
>>2188695They are just going to sell back to you the features of civ 6. Don't buy it and ignore. I bought a physical for $20 and i feel ripped off one of the biggest disappointments of all time.
>>2189056They already had all this stuff made before the game was released.
>>2188695Just let it die.
>>2188856>>2188845I want a game that's mechanics-wise Call to Power 3 with some parts of Alpha Centauri added to it (like 3-D terraforming and units that can be customized with extra abilities for example).>>2189041t. unironic Harriet Tubman simp
>>2189041>don't recognize Tubman as a George Washington substitute>neonazi Every single thread
>>2189139>likes Hitler>is a neonazithat's how it works, indeed.
>>2189108I think at the time they thought it was even though it totally wasn’t. But now humankind is unironically making a bit of a comeback now that Sega is out of the picture and Civ7 is such a miserable flop.
>>2189139Tubman would have never been a historically significant figure if it wasn’t for the white men around her.
>>2188831Pulled up the wiki. This is essentially it, but it was a number of years and then she became a pirate.
>>2189060>Never heard of the reign of women period in the Ottoman EmpireHistorylet
>>2189259>anon mentions market research>(you) start talking about historical accuracy midwit
>>2189060It's not that they don't do market research, it's just that you are not the market. ESG investment funds are.
>>2189138>I want a game that's mechanics-wise Call to Power 3 with some parts of Alpha Centauri added to it (like 3-D terraforming and units that can be customized with extra abilities for example).You'll never get that because most vidya is made for consoles now. It used to be strategy and city builders were safe, but not anymore.Enjoy your watered down slop.
>>2188709Are natural wonders a thing in that game or are you constructing the great blue hole? Also the Ottomans is the only civ here worth being a civ.
>>2189473It's two natural wonders and two regular wonders.
>>2188709
>>2189061Never heard of her or her town. I've heard of Blackbeard many times.
What's the point? The game was made from the ground up to feature the shitty civ switching mechanic nobody wanted, just adding it now is going to make the game even more half assed and broken.
>>2189716The point is they can trick maybe 5,000 more people to give them money. You're right, it wont fix the game or come close to doing so.
>>2188709>I've read that as "great butt hole" on first glance
>>2189688So? I said historically relevant, it would be like saying that shitty Tutankhamun is more deserving of a Civ character than fucking Ramses II just because the first one is significantly more famous.
>>2188695still not buying it
>>2189108It's so strange to imagine what goes on at the top there.Like is whoever decides what they're doing so creatively bankrupt he just looks at other modern 4x and tells the lead dev "do that".
>>2189716Honestly I think they could've made the mechanic it work, but they need like hundreds of more civs, and a lot of requirements for every civ change, like akin to eu4 forming nations or the civ4 Rhye's mod.Like you can only become America in the modern era, if you have cities on another continent, and if you pick America you only get to keep the cities on your new continent, your old cities on your starting continent becomes a new civ.Would work great if america had a powerful immigration+brain drain mechanic, just siphoning good pops from the old country.
>>2188709>>2189056How about Tonga? I feel like it's one of these civ that no one expected or asked for to see in Civilization, but I guess if they really wanted another Oceania nation it's not the worst option.Ottomans are no-brainier of course.
>>2189060Their target demographic of liberal white people love that sort of thing.
>>2188695>most requested featureHitler as a playable leader or no buy>>2188709Fucking Blackbeard got in before Hitler ahaha wtfThis series is wrecked
>>2189928No, because I've heard of both of those people. This woman did nothing of note other than marry a powerful man and inherit what he had earned.
>>2188695There is simply no way this turns out well. Like it or not the entire meat of the game is designed around switching civs to get different bonuses per era, playing as a single one with no bonuses for 2/3rds of the game is just miserable.
>>2190157>wah-wah if it isn't something I know it doesn't matter!Btw, Tut did nothing of note besides being a figurehead for the priesthood orders whose powers had been suppressed by Akhenaten then -conveniently- dying at 18. At least the hoe held power on her own right for decades until being couped.
>>2188695I forgot this game exists.
>>2190228Look bud, it is VERY cool you are Moroccan and they taught who she was in your history class. For the rest of the world she is less important than harriet tubman. Neither belong in this game.
>>2188709I like the bird.
>>2190239>if you aren't a pop history normie then you must be literally africanAnything else, americlap?
>>2190239Wait, I lost the plot, my original point was that Blackbeard is even less relevant than the moroccan pirate (female).
>>2188709>Copy humankind>now copy Humankinds Pirate cultureThe fuck? Are they just lazy or creatively broken?
>>2188831hitler was a loser tho
>>2188695>fast
>>2190555his views have been validated by subsequent events
>>2190595the events that he caused
>>2190596name 3
>>2190606bleeding off Europedecolonization of european colonial powersrise usa to global hegemonydestruction of germany
>>2190609>dead for 25 years>use agarthan 5th-dimensional gay-waves to make your enemies submit to the untermench and commit sudoku by actually giving the reigns to the people you warned againstheh, nothing personelle, aryans
>>2190031It’s cool, but I think we specifically had Tonga in one of the older titles. We’ve almost always had Polynesians in every title so it’s not as wowing to me as Iceland.
>>2189041I look like this.
>>2190543Both
Still cannot fucking believe they copied humankind after humankind turned out to be a complete flopI followed humankinds development and honestly didn’t mind the changing civs - that was pretty much the whole selling point of the game? But I played for a few hours on release and it was just a watered down soulless buggy messHow the fuck did they think copying it would help anything
>>2190963I feel like Im the only guy on this planet who unironically liked Humankind, atleast after they patched up the worst parts
>>2188695Yeah, I thought they were going to do just that. Well, at least it's an improvement but still not buying.
>>2190963This kind of mechanic only works in narrative-based games.Like how they do with games that have multiple protagonists over the same story, following different points of view around the same conflict. That would work with civ switching. Not anything like what both Humankind and Civ7 did.
>>2191181Civ vii probably would be very good if they stole combat and the neolithic age from humankind instead of what they did.
>>2191539At that point why not just play Humankind?
>>2190963>How the fuck did they think copying it would help anythingI wouldn't be surprised if Humankind devs didn't worm their way into Firaxis as mandatory diversity hiresworking on a game as pozzed as Humankind is like a super resume in this gay retarded industry
>>2189108It's not like as if they haven't been copying Amplitude's homework for a while, it's just the first time it's noticeably backfired. Whenever a company gets captured by corporate-types the focus shifts from making good products to tricking people, since that's all they know. In this case, they "know" they're the default choice and have captured the market. Taking market share by copying the nearest competitor, no matter how small, becomes the attractive option. After all, if two games are the same, why would a 4X-consumer choose the non-default option? Of course, the idea that people actually have a choice and will simply not buy your game if it's too shit never crosses their mind.
>>2192117Amplitude was at least popular, and the mechanic was also kind of a natural evolution, like they could've made that without copying it, so it made a lot more sense to me.
>>2190259Your point is wrong. Blackbeard has influenced dozens of popular stories and the idea of piracy in general. He is by default infinitely more relevant than somebody nobody has ever heard of.>>2190252I'm Danish, try again thirdie.
>>2190609France did thatUK did thatUK did thatKaiser did that
>>2189041>2020 meme/pol/ is now basically leftypol and /vst/ is one of /pol/'s last standing lebensraum on this site, oddly enough.
>>2192428>Dane telling anyone what is and isn't influential and significantLidt ironisk, er det ikke?
>>2190963Dev cycles are long, they probably copied it before Humankind flopped and couldn't pivot afterwards due to sunk cost.
>>2192428>muh pop cultureI guess niggas like Skorzeny (who influenced villains like Blofeld & Fearless Leader) are more relevant than the last 700 years or so of your shitty military history then.
>>2188709What a fucking joke
>>2188695>>2188709they are never going to turn this pile of shit aroundeither start working on civ 8 or close the studio
>>2191181I didn’t try humankind until maybe a month ago and I think it’s incredibly fun and have no real issues with jt, especially given the alternatives. I never really could enjoy civ6 as much as 5 and 3 was actually my favorite. I won’t go anywhere near 7. I understand now that Sega is out of the picture Amplitude has been giving Humankind some decent support and updates.
>>2192789The way I see it I have no issue with Humankind branching out and trying different things, particularly since it was marketed that way and never trying to have any real historicity or continuity. It also doesn’t have the weight of an entire series worth of expectations behind it.At the same time, I want civ to keep being civ. I don’t want it to also be humankind. Idk why some people can’t wrap their heads around these two things not being mutually exclusive.
>>2191549Civ looks prettier
>>2192978That’s literally the only thing Civ7 has going for itself, and unfortunately it’s spoiled by the very ugly and confused UI art design.Humankind is much more pleasing to look at than the mobile game rainbow mess that is Civ6.
>>2190963the funny thing is that humankind still let you continue as a culture when you advanced so they took the mechanic and made it worse for civ7
>>2192451Delicious cope
>>2190963I will always believe the game was rushed out almost a year early cause Firaxis needed to make money after their other games flopped hard. So they never got a real chance to change their mind on the civ switching and the awful era system. In terms of gameplay they got too focused on people not finishing many games and tried to build the game around people actually playing to the end of the timeline. Which if you talked to anybody that plays civ games never found it much of an issue to start over. So TLDR in my opinion they had a very short dev time, had to pick that road and stick with it cause the empty suits who need to see the line go up wouldn't give them the time to reverse course and just had to double down on it even after all the content creators who got to play it early were sending them a bunch of red flags.
>>2188709>great blue holemidna bros...
>>2190041liberal white plays fortnite.
>>2197618I agree that the idea of people not finishing games was a weird thing to focus on. But they had 8 years between Civ6 and Civ7. They had plenty of time.
>>2188709I like the blackbeard
>>2194007Civ peaked aesthetically with 5.Everything after has been a downgrade.
>>2190963>How the fuck did they think copying it would help anythingThey didnt, the goal was always to destroy Civ series with woke shit.Once you realize these people want only to destroy shit out of sheer hatred for Whites, a lot of their deeds and moves starts to make absolute sense.
>>2189041Every accusation is a projection, can you all trannies go back to hell already
>>2202103You can have harriet tubman as a leader without civ switching or leaders being seperate to the playable country anon. But no I'm sure you're right and the "woke mob" wants to destroy everything you enjoy in the most roundabout and inefficient way possible.
>>2202117Civ switching pushes the idea that cultures are essentially replaceable, non unique and can easily be subsitituted one by the other. The very essence of marxism these anti White faggots push every day. Its not about Harriet Tubman, its about the idea that country and its culture can be replaced by some other one without problems and its not a big deal aka exactly what they do to Europe, see the "new swedes" articles, the "im muslim and still british" bullshit etc.Its not that deep senpai, they hate you with every fiber of their being and work every day to erase you, your ancestors and your race from history.
>>2202122Anon the egyptians of today are not the same as the egyptians of 4000 bc. That's just a fact.
>>2202127Yeah that is why we recognize them as two different things.Something these fucks DONT do and will claim Sven, the blue eyed, blonde haired 6'7 man whose ancestors lived in Sweden since neolithic times is the same Swede as Mahmood ibn Turdworlder, manlet brown somali who jumped of the ship 2 weeks ago.Or even worse, they increasingly claim Whites have no claim on Europe because we werent here since the formation of the continents, something they never extend to all the brownoid shits they love so much.
>>2189061a very, very low bar
>>2202184Do you understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity?A second generation swede and a 20th generation swede are the same, while ethnically they are different.
>>2202213No. Some brown manlet will never be Swede no matter how much mental gymnastics you do, the same way this Swede will never be ethiopian or somalli. You faggots are just butthurt because no one wants to claim being somali becuase its embarassing.Blood and Soil.
>>2202110>copies what the people he hates saylmao you're a faggot
>>2188709>Pirate RepublicA fucking meme. Bet you dollars to donuts, it'll be some Hollywood-tier shit in terms of historical accuracy. Pirates would be better represented by naval raider units like they have been in past games. It's not a proper civilization in the slightest. Making a proper pirate or nautical civilization can be done and I'd point to Alpha Centauri for that. The sci-fi setting let them create a group that embodied the spirit well and it's a very unique and fun experience to play as a faction that mainly builds in water tiles. Civ can't replicate this specifically, but if you want a faction that's aggressive and sea oriented there are so many other historical entities to choose from.
>>2188831Hitlers brand of socialism isn't allowed.
>>2202600at least it looks and sounds fun unlike le negress woman
>>2189041this is me
>>2202600>Pirates would be better represented by naval raider units like they have been in past games.I think the last time it was done the fun way is Civ 1 and 2. Random sea raiding parties trying to capture cities and spam more barbarians.
>>2202061Yes
>>2202117>But no I'm sure you're right and the "woke mob" wants to destroy everything you enjoy in the most roundabout and inefficient way possible.YesHave you not been paying attention for the last 10 years?
>>2202213lol no
>>2202600They could just make it a proper government type, but that concept got butchered to all hell in the last game so that ain’t gonna happen either.
>>2202828True, it's silly but then again a lot of things in Civ are silly. I just think that there could be a better marriage between fun and historical accuracy.>>2203011That sounds fun too.>>2203254Having it be a government type would be a good way to represent it too. If you look at SMAC they partly do that with the modifiers they get.https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Nautilus_Pirates_(SMAC)Less growth and some waste, but you get strong incentives to dominate the seas. You could do something like it for Civ with being able to gain yields others couldn't, or perhaps abilities to siphon trade routes within a certain range of cities. And if you did that you wouldn't just be able to represent the historical sea pirates from the golden age but also other raiders and corsairs, both at land and sea.All things considered though I guess it's not the worst thing they've done. If we're going from Tubman to playing as slightly romanticized pirates it's clear that all hope isn't lost - just most of it, but still.
>>2190015it's maximizing profit basing on le heckin charts and statistics, this maths culture is what's destroying game industry, even more than dei hires. there are probably even more creative ideas today than were ever before, but there is simply no space to implement them as unprecedented method is too risky on paper and faggots at the top that dont give a fuck about games are not willing to try new things out. That's the fate of any branch and any industry that becomes too mainstream and too profitable.
>>2191549Because constantly switching to unrelated civs and the fame system is obnoxious. I generally prefer Civ or at least have in the past but the neolithic would fix the restart problem because you'd get to explore the map before settling (why colonization is the best civ game) and humankind's combat is great while civs is nothing special.
>>2202127>Anon the egyptians of today are not the same as the egyptians of 4000 bc. That's just a fact.The Egyptians today are direct descendants of ancient Egyptians. To say they aren't is retarded and basically outs you as an afro-centrist or nordicist. Their culture has evolved like everywhere but that's better reflected in the normal civ progression of changing techs, religions, governments etc or just getting conquered than completely replacing them with the Songhay or Ottomans or something.
>>2216259Huh. I didn’t know the ancient Egyptians were Arabs. You fucking idiot.
>>2189061Really wish they’d make a Carolina’s civilization Maybe with Andrew Jackson or Francis Marion as leader Special bonus for tobacco and pigsIf not, just let us have the CSA
>>2202213HahahaThis dude for real with this shit?This dude’s a Zimbabwean by the way
>>2216480Oh you're right! All Mexicans must be Spaniards because they speak Spanish too and the French are all Romans because they speak a Latin language. So what do you think happened to the Egyptians? A few thousand Arabs from a desert peninsula with 0 year round rivers somehow manage to ethnically replace one of the most populated and agriculture intense regions in the world? And not only Egypt but all of the Middle East, North Africa, oh and Sicily and Spain too. The Arabs didn't magically replace everyone these regions, the locals just adopted the Arabic language over time.
>>2217019The worst part is you’re arrogant in your ignorance. Please read a book, and please stop thinking that ethnicity and nationality are interchangeable pieces.
>>2216617They’ll never give us the CSA although that would be cool as fuck.It is a wonder to me though that we haven’t gotten Israel yet either desu.
>>2217900I’ve never considered that, and it does seem odd to me in retrospect Maybe they don’t want to give off any sort of “conquering the globe” vibes, since they’re victims and received their civ based solely on the graciousness of others>The Jew cries out as it razes your quarry
>>2189380state-directed investment is generally considered the opposite of the market
>>2217894>I'm more smawter you need to wead more books.Lmao cope and seethe.
>>2217019>retard missing the point this much
>>2188695Nothing exists past Civ5 and even then, I would rather play EU.
>>2190252Shut the fuck up you sub saharan cunt. Women do not matter today in politics, let alone 600 years ago. Any attempt to shill them is just faking history. You are a Berber trying to desperately cling to any historical relevance.
>>2188695Has anyone that played the game correct me on this? It seems that they went too hard on making everyone balanced that no civ seems outstanding and no leader seems good. Like in 5 you have Korea and Babylon giving you a lot of science, in 6 you have Byzantium being the best at domination, Seondeok Korea being amazing and the almost free settler you get with Yongle. I don't feel there has been any "meta" to the game, too much balancing between eras that doesn't feel that you're being rewarded for playing well or punished for playing bad
>>2220294we told you a thousand times, it's globohomo slop. Leaders don't really matter, they're just an excuse to put black women in leader positions and civ bonsues have been gutted. You only play 1/3 the game as any civ so you can't embrace or build into a civ so they just made it not matter.
>>2202213These niggers think that Polish people went extinct every time they got partitioned and that each new Poland was just a bunch of Russians and Germans larping.
>>2191549FIDS system suck
>>2217900>It is a wonder to me though that we haven’t gotten Israel yet either desu.implying they allow goys to fight against or best israel even in games
>>2202600The Dutch and the Ottomans got it right back in Civ 5.
>>2217900Israel is only 70 years old. The youngest nations they've added are like Gran Columbia, Canada and Australia.
>>2223099Israel (and Judah) is mentioned in Assyrian and Egyptian texts around 900BC. This is a fact independent of your stance on current day politics.
I believe the morons who made this game fundamentally misunderstand how civilizations work from the ground up.That's the states brainwashing for ya.>everyone can be everything!
>>2220294Of course they made everything "balanced". You do accept that all races and cultures are totally the same thing right?
>>2224253And that nation was destroyed so long ago with so little data available you may as well add troy.
>>2226172???Modern Israel has done a lot in the field of archeology. So much so that we know know a lot more about historicl areas within the borders of modern-day Israel compared to those of their neighbors.
>>2217968And yet we have Jerusalem as a city-state and Judaism as a pickable religion.
>>2226445>israelis have a better academia than muslim arabsNot a high bar innit
>>2234158So? The point is that ancient Israel(+Judah) is one of if not the most studied and well-known areas between Egypt and Assyria, so the claim that it's all fantasy "like Troy" is ironically the complete opposite of reality.
>>2190595and? he still fought one war and lost, you know, like a loser
>>2237822The fucking audacity to describe a WORLD WAR as just "one war". There are campaigns and mere operations which completely dwarf entire wars fought both before and since. "A war" is something that states prepare for as a rational eventuality. Both World Wars took extraordinary and unprecedented and often irrational industrial and social effort by every major participant on both sides, which ended up fundamentally changing human society on the global scale each time. Hitler didn't "lose a war", rather Germany conquered an entire continent and took on the rest of the developed World, and lost a World War.Jesus Christ, the actual fucking state of the modern zoomer. We're all doomed.
>>2218740Did you even bother to read the next sentence? You’re an idiot.
>>2237822You should read his book. Only like 6% of it is about Jews, and the rest of it is actually extremely reasonable.
>>2239055All that yapping to say that Germany decided that its wisest move was to wage a war of maneuver and attrition against both the largest country on the planet and the most industrially capable country on the planet respectively. Aside from genocide and slavery, Germany failed to make any use of its continental empire beyond what the barbarians did: plundering it then squatting on its husk, puzzled as to where all the loot's gone. Hitler bought into a myopic and obsessive ideology that killed millions of Germans, razed the country, and let it be divided by its conquerors. Even Napoleon didn't fuck them that hard. The krauts were lucky that le decadent West was merciful, or the entire country would have gone the way of Kaliningrad.You're an under-educated loser trying to lecture anons about things you don't actually understand just so you can stand up for the failed leader of a failed state.tldr you're retarded, read The Wages of Destruction, and civ se7en sucks fat cock
>>2239579You really, really should read more about the party in the 30s, how it made its decisions and how it ended up where it did diplomatically by 39. You sound like someone who learned history purely from watching History channel “documentaries”.
>>2189061No, she wasn't. Not even propagandapedia can tell me one relevant thing she did. It tells me>She is considered to be "one of the most important female figures of the Islamic West in the modern age.and then the only thing of any note it says is that she inherited governership, helped refugees, married a sultan, then worked with an ottoman pirate. It then goes on to a spiel about how women were oppressed and not recorded in history so trust us guis she was super important there's just no records. what a joke. at least she's not as much of a joke as women like boudica I suppose whos only achievement is getting her people killed.
>>2237822Fought a war against the rest of the worldCommunism lost the cold war so it should be taken out tooOh and Native Injuns lost the war against the White manThat means no civilizations for themAfricans too
This game is an utter hunk of shit and I regret buying the collector's edition.
>>2239652You have no knowledge, no rebuttal, and no point to your post except a flaccid attempt to discredit the most basic talking points, because you are absolutely out of your depth. Try adding something useful to your next post before you press submit.>>2240707nothing in your posts contradicts what he said, nazis are bedfellows with tankies, injuns, and ooga boogas in the history of complete losers
>>2188709Remember, wokies always double down.
>>2189138I'd kill for Alpha Centauri 2 but the studio is cucked to hell and back, we'd just get some DLC-infested hellsoup with mechanics that have the "modern audience" (ie brainrotted normies) in mind
>>2188831Hitler will never be added because he's the ultimate grand satan for the (((elites))), you can never ever paint him in anything more than negative light
>>2239579Holy yapperino and projection, zoomerman! No one said that it was "wise" and German (mis-)management of Europe is irrelevant of the fact that they did conquer it. It's a military feat whether you deem it wholesome or not. And you're making it sound as if the soviets wouldn't have attacked in the 40s anyway. Millions could have died and Germany could have ended up razed regardless due to the tard in Moscow instead of the tard in Berlin. It wasn't a coincidence that the Allies raced the soviets to Berlin since everyone could see the writing on the wall in '45. The only ones who wanted to completely fuck the country were German nazi fanatics, everyone else wanted to get a hold of as much of German industrial and military knowhow and brainpower as possible since the war had proven their capability, innovativeness and effectiveness. Everyone wanted to utilise in the nexr war they could already see coming. Mercy had nothing to do with the fact that Germany was deliberately set up as the first bulwark of the West merely a few years after the war. The fact that German economic model was unsustainable under the nazis doesn't make it into a failed state, you fucking retard. Neither does losing the war since in that case the state is stopped from functioning by extwrnal forces instead of failing on its own.
>>2240949it would make Beyond Earth look good in comparison
>>2188695This is such a bad idea, I hope they don't kill game before they can fix it. The only thing the game needs is more civilizations (especially in the later eras) and more restrictions so the civ switching makes sense.
>>2241117Germany did everything the Nazis wanted (not that it had the choice) including striking the West when the Soviets would "have attacked in the 40s anyway," cooperating with those same fucking bolsheviks, killing off millions of its own able-bodied citizens, and waging a war that could never be won no matter how many miracles the Wehrmacht could pull off, a war that people had known was unwinnable since the times of the fucking kaiser. To justify the decisions that got Germany biblically assraped for any reason, let alone by saying it would have just happened anyway, is stupid.You're a clueless zoomer whiteknighting people who never asked you for help, and you're doing it so hard that you're not even arguing anything anymore, just seething. Am I even reading this shit right? Getting Germany razed is ok because it would have happened regardless? Unsustainable states that fail aren't failed? Losing a war doesn't count because the other side doesn't let you win? Holy fuck
>>2241117>. And you're making it sound as if the soviets wouldn't have attacked in the 40s anyway.You Think Germany would have been able to go past Poland if that was true? They were having issues with any semi decent blob of random soviet collection of tanks and men quality.The soviet 40's attack is a nazi myth that only idiots believe.>much of German industrial and military knowhowWhat industry? They were barely above the Italians compared to the allies.The only knowledge they had any worth was the rocket program. The jet programs were inferior to the west.> proven their capability, innovativeness and effectivenessTheir late tanks couldn't even reach the battlefield.Their late planes did jack shit and killed more pilots than the allies.
>>2243186How is saying that you are downplaying the importance and impact of WWII by calling it just "a war" justifying Hitler? Also, are you implying that the soviets conducted the largest military buildup and unsustainable forced industralization for peaceful purposes, like this clueless tankie of post >>2243544? The arms race which was started by them in the 30s meant that there would have had to be a war sooner or later since the economies involved couldn't have keep up with the scaling demands indefinetely. Everyone would have had to face the choice of either scaling down or utilizing what they had at the peak in an attempt to secure more resources.>Am I reading this right?Take a wild guess. Unsustainable policies may lead to a state failing and becoming a failed state, but in itself aren't the definition. This is so obvious that professing to not understanding this simple concept is proof enough of your amateurish knowledge on the topic at large.
>>2244228That original anon wasn't me, and anyway all he said was that Hitler was a loser because he lost a war. That's it. He didn't even say "just" or anything. His point is clearly to insult Hitler, but you decided to get mad at an implication he probably didn't even intend. If you honestly think calling world WAR two a WAR is "downplaying the importance and impact" then you're just autistic.My issue is that you sound like a retarded wehraboo. Yes, the big war was monumental and the most pivotal event of the last century. But Germany still lost, period, for many reasons that are damning for Hitler, the Nazis, and Germany as a whole. Shots taken at them shouldn't be taken as shots against the importance of the war, and acknowledging Germany's limited success should never overshadow how badly they fucked up on multiple levels to the point of more than earning their mockery. You also come across as incredibly ignorant and insecure because you make inane arguments and keep trying to call me a retard in this pompously roundabout way with absolutely nothing to back yourself up.
>>2188695What is supposed to be the draw of the Civ-changing mechanic? Is the discontinuity designed to force fresh strategies? Or keep your national units relevant through different ages?It'd be kinda neat maybe to start with someone good with chariots, then change your civ into someone good with knights, then someone good with tanks, like a natural progression. Maybe you could even draft those civs at the start of the game to plan for your path.
>>2245690It originated as a misguided attempt to fix the nonissue of people not finishing games.They understood neither why people do not finish games nor why it's not really a problem.
>>2245667You sound like an indoctrinated redditor with your "Germany lost. PERIOD." spiel. It's as if exploring the issue and finding nuance is heretical and committing wrongthink or something. "You're allowed to talk about the war, but only as long as you keep mocking Germany for losing" — Jesus Christ, what the fuck am I reading! Consider the following: you are a retard. A mentally retarded person incapable of forming an original thought. A r-e-t-a-r-d. Hard r. You. Retard.I'd concede that my response was probably disporportionate, but your pathetic attempt at policing this discussion is far worse. You are so focused on "Hitler bad period" that you didn't even register that I didn't challenge original anon calling him a loser and that I called Hitler the tard in Berlin myself. You supposedly agree that WWII was pivotal and monumental as a world war, but apparently correcting someone on this is autistic and much too close to "wehraboo whiteknighting" for a redditor to let it stand. Well, since you technically agree with me on the terms then you you should also agree (you won't) that what the original anon was actually saying was: "Hitler fought one world war and lost like a loser." Can you not see how ridiculous this claim is? How clueless and uneducated? How it's downright belittling for everyone involved?You don't get to call someone out on ignorance and inane arguments inane when yours is literally just: "Germany thought it was wise to war against the the largest nations." This is such a reductionist over-simplification that only retards or redditors would dare utter something like this while acting smug and morally superior.
>>2240927>You have no knowledge, no rebuttal, and no point to your post except a flaccid attempt to discredit the most basic talking points, because you are absolutely out of your depth. Try adding something useful to your next post before you press submit.I’m not going to sperg out for paragraphs just to argue with some faggot on the internet about Hitler you absolute retard. I gave you a place to start. The allies post-war narrative is not the absolute truth. Maybe start with the treaty of Versailles itself, or Mein Kampf, or Hitler’s Justice by Ingo Muuller. There is plenty out there. Stop being lazy and trying to score fake internet points.
>>2245870>It's as if exploring the issueWhat issue? Nazi ideology was retarded and cost them the war. The head Nati were even bigger retards who knew nothing of how to lead a country.>wehraboo whiteknightingYou are literally a wehraboo . Let me guess, you actually think that Nazi germany invented jets or something?
>>2247637Yeah, there is no issue. Everyone was retarded on the 30s. Period. They. Lost. A. War. Like. Losers.
>>2248413>Everyone was retarded on the 30s. PeriodBut it was true?The Nazis thought money will magically appear for multi million investments out of thin air? If they didn't attack in 39 they would have been bankrupt. And attacking Poland gave them jack shit in terms of resources because they were now navally blockaded.The French decided to self sabotage themselves against an openly aggressive neighbour so much they never stood a chance.The British hoped that by giving Germany more industry and capital they wouldn't have the need for war.Pure stupidity.The soviets decided to trade with people wanting their extermination because Stalin was obsessed with fucking the Poles over. And there is the Finnish war thing which can't be described in any other way except retarded.Italy was always a non factor and what it did didn't matter.And whatever small things it did were them doing stupid things when they weren't ready.The 30's were the olympics of retardation.
>>2245870You're autistic. You're still mad at that anon for a pithy jab at Hitler because you think it's some slight against the war, and even after I call it like it is you're doubling down because your ego won't let you admit that you're attacking windmills. No, his "claim" is not clueless, uneducated, or belittling, because it's a single line of bait designed to piss off Hitler sympathizers. Get a grip.Also, a word of advice, when you call someone a retard, adding seethe after it only makes you look deranged. And next time you quote me, use something I actually wrote. It's all right there if you forget.>>2246220>I’m not going to sperg out for paragraphs just to argue with some faggot on the internet about HitlerCorrect, you'll instead sperg out for two redditspaced lines next to your phoneposted own-le-reddit image, because that's the best you can do. Allies won and you're still an unread retard. "Stop being lazy and trying to score fake internet points."
That was me. It was me who called hitler a loser.Thanks everyone involved for the laugh.
>>2248472>he was only pretending to be retardedOk, bro. Keep defending master baiters from nazi wehraboo Hitler justifiers who are totally real and not just living rent free in your retarded mind.
>>2248466imagine thinking that rationality was invented with (you)
>>2188695Too little too late.First impressions matter. Civ7 will be remembered as the worst of them all.
>>2248542Yeah? Well, I posted this one >>2190595 so you've actually been baited by me all along. Nothing personelle, kiddo.
>>2249375But I didn't respond to it.
>>2249391the winning move
>>2240683>boudica I suppose whos only achievement is getting her people killed.fem mel gibson: THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT!!!
>>2240707>Communism lost the cold war so it should be taken out tooIagreed.
