>the cancer that killed total war
Total War has been a corpse paraded by a procession of increasingly insane and degenerate "tech talent" for the better part of a decade. It was killed by patently insane business practices from a cabal of unhinged and out of touch management boomers who thought maintaining their development platform and expanding their tools were "bad investments" and kept chasing away everyone competent at the company by being petty and insecure.Shit games with shit DLCs is just a symptom of the problem, and the recent shit game with its recent shit DLC is no more or less shitty than the last several.Everyone cried when they released Pharaoh for full price despite it obviously being a Troy asset flip with Saga-tier content like this was the first time it happened because apparently Attila was so forgettable we all forgot that's exactly what it was.
>>2189320>Attila was so forgettable we all forgot that's exactly what it wasand what was it, exactly?I was late to the party and only played it post 2020
>>2189425Attila was being developed as a Rome 2 DLC. CA overestimated how successful R2 would be and had a whole production pipeline working on DLC before the game even launched, but the game launched as a broken dumpster fire that was barely playable. All the early DLC sold like shit because the game didn't work and players were outraged and the patches were trickling in slowly because the priority was clearly DLC-focused.So CA decides to quietly pull the plug, leave Rome 2 in a broken state and repurpose the DLC production into a standalone game, hoping for a 'clean slate.' They even had the gall to market Attila for including fixes to shit that was still broken in Rome 2.When the predictable happened and Attila flopped, CA was forced to go back and start patching Rome 2 again to try and rebuild the bridges it had burned, ironically abandoning Attila in the process. After a couple of years, players flocked back to CA's side cheering "They fixed it, it's good now" and fawned over them until they repeated the exact same mistake so many years later.
>>2189603Attila didn't flop and still has a decent player base. The same for Rome 2. CA has (to my knowledge), never released an unbroken game. CA has repackaged dogshit and released it for widespread and willing consumption. If anything killed, or is going to kill "total war", then it was warhammer and CA's business practices.
>>2189603So Attila is to Rome 2 what Napoleon was to Empire. Anyways the last good TW game was Shogun 2, never cared for the fantasy stuff
>>2189320It's funny how people praise Pharaoh after all those years, even though it and Troy were one of the most garbage games they released in the past years.Warhammer 3, while broken af, has a few novel concepts here and there, you can extract SOME fun out of it
The next new total war games announced in december 4th will be Medieval 3 and Lord of The Rings First Age.Mark my words.
>>2189745or star wars
>>2189715Attila didn't sell nearly as much as Rome II and Warhammer I, it flopped. People just gaslit each other into thinking it's good (plus mods, I guess) years later and developed a cult following around it. Same thing happened with Empire.Let's not forget that CA spread the most bold-faced lie of all time about the game's poor optimization, making sure it will always run like shit even with """"future hardware"""" and abandoned it in a buggy and unbalanced state in favour of the Warhammer trilogy and resuming development on Rome II with the B team. That's as clear a sign of a game flopping as you can get.>>2189731People praise Pharaoh for the same reason they praise Rome II:>IT GOT MORE LE CONTENT>IT GOT LE FIXEDWhich is only true to an extent. Yes those games are objectively bigger now compared to release, but they are still extremely bland and covered from head to toe with undercooked mechanics and bad design decisions.The community is just used to eating shit and WH3's success is the ultimate proof of that.
Good. Total War deserves to die.
>>2189772I still don't believe
>>2189745If it's not Medieval 3 or Empire 2 then they can kiss my ass. I'm not falling for another cheap asset flip, no more saga bullshit.
>>2189723Very much so
>>2189715Attila is genuinely good but this fact is basically incidental. It's the unloved bastard child of CA's messy years, when it thought too highly of itself and built up the shaky pedestal from which to fall from grace.Its existence is almost quintessential of CA's issues. There's talent and vision pouring from it, mechanics are well thought out and engaging, gameplay has a purpose, rosters are creative with clear intention and unit interactions and emergent strategies are largely intuitive. It's not impressive graphically but the art direction gives it a coherent look and style.But it was shat out on a compressed development cycle, hamstrung by technical issues incumbent to its overloaded and underloved engine, crippled by an AI that can't play its own game, with half of its factions excised mid-development and then sold back with pointless powercreepAND on top of all that, promptly abandoned while its latest DLC was still fresh and warm, left to rot with obvious and easily fixable bugs ranging from missing building slots to unit rosters breaking. The hard work of all the clearly talented and passionate developers being ultimately squandered in a product that's made to fail because someone above accountability deemed it so is pretty much exactly CA's problem. Only by the time of WH3 there was pretty much nobody with talent (or dignity) left to take the fall.
>>2189745Keep dreaming. It'll be either a revamp to shogun or wh4.
>>2189263>game dies 380000 times>still gets threadsStop digging up the corpse and getting mad when it stinks, retards.
>>2189603I am pretty sure Barbarian Invasion was a standalone expansion, but it's been too far back for me to remember and I can't find an answer - and the answer gets mucked with the remaster complicating things. I am going to call bullshit on Attila having been intended as a DLC though.>>2190143>half of its factions excised mid-developmentYou guys need to understand we will never, never, I mean NEVER, ever get a M2 where every faction is brought in on release. That is just never going to happen. It didn't in WH1, 2, 3, Troy, Pharaoh, 3k. To be frank even in Medieval 2 it happened because factions were samefags with nothing to distinguish them. Other complaints are valid, but>They didn't include the cut content and instead DLC'd itIs always going to happen. And to be frank it's an unrealistic prospect because if they added any DLC you would cry "Cut content" and if they didn't have any DLC you'd cry "Why no DLC?"
How optimistic we were after this dropped
>>2190182Alexander is the standalone expansion, not BI.Expansion packs are nice when they add to an already finished game, not when they're there to make some barebones piece of shit feel like it's finally starting to have some substance, like the WH trilogy. Only a braindead consoomer on reddit would complain about no DLC for a complete game.Granted with how bloated development costs are these days and how gaming at large has been enabling greedy practices for years, it's highly unlikely that we will ever get a finished game on release.
>>2189723>Anyways the last good TW game was Shogun 1fixed
>>2189263>best graphics>best gameplay>best faction variety>thriving mp>best seller>>Oy vey it's dead goys!Yeah, riiight. Keep shitting your pants doomzoom.
>>2190197That was gamey slop just like the test of wh
>>2190215Nobody cares about S1/M1 stop trying to make it a thing. This is terminal contrarianism.
>>2192689fuck off loser
>>2189723shogun 2 isnt even the last good total war, its literally the only good one. its the only total war ever where the core of the game actually feels like it works and the only one with competent AI. CA can only pull off a game with scope as small as S2, and even then its buggy and unfinished. i find it laughable when people say warhammer killed total war when rome 2 and literally everything made since exists. its tragic really, because im so tired of sengoku jidai, but no other total war and thus no other game on the market scratches that specific itch for me so im stuck in japan forever.
>>2190182>if they didn't have any DLC you'd cry "Why no DLC???????????????ive never ever ever had a thought like that tho? good complete full games dont need dlc. when elden ring got announced a dlc i was almost dreading it because the game is already so fucking massive, and so complete, that it really doesnt need more. you must be a mouth breathing consoomer to even think of that thought you just had
I got Pharaoh Dynasties for $7 and don't feel cheated but good god TW sucks now
>>2189320True. The writing was on the wall with the release state of Empire
>>2192833This is how I fell about Troy. Got it for free when they did that launch giveaway thing and I still feel like I wasted time on it.
