https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-86-29nd-of-october-loading-screens-achievements.1865038/#post-30831083Tinto Talks #86 - 29nd of October - Loading Screens & AchievementsHello, and welcome to another Tinto Talks, the happy Wednesdays where we talk about Europa Universalis V.For those who don’t know me, my name is Arnau, and I am the Associate Producer at Tinto. It has been a while since my last Dev Diary for EU4. That's because I was responsible for coordinating and assisting in the development of the latest EU4 DLCs, particularly with Winds of Change. That was over a year ago. Since then, I have been coordinating EU5 efforts, helping different team coordinators and leads to achieve our milestones on time, and maintain the quality we aimed for. In summary, my main role is to make the Dev team's life easier so they can focus on developing this amazing game.Today marks the release of the last Tinto Talk before our Big Launch Day. After over five years of development, we have just six days left until the release. Yesterday, we celebrated this significant milestone with a team photo featuring most of our members in Tinto. While this photo captures only a small portion of the folks who have contributed to the development of Europa Universalis V, I want to note that this project has been a collaboration involving more than 700 people. At Sitges, we are only the Core Team. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the entire development team for their hard work and to congratulate them on the fantastic results they have achieved.
Loading ScreenFirst, a brief foreword by Art Director @SaintDaveUK, who will walk us through the vision behind the loading screens:When coming up with ideas for Loading Screen illustrations, we want to represent the various themes of the game and portray different parts of the world. In general, we also wanted to show an alternative or even surprising look at the world instead of simply repainting existing or famous scenes in our style.For much of the game, the player is positioned safely at a bird's-eye view. However, for the loading screens and indeed most of our illustrations, we wanted to bring the player right into the action, face-to-face with the terrible and wonderful world they are about to inhabit.The complexity of these screens means the process is a long one involving many people and disciplines, starting with an intense brainstorming stage, of which themes and cultures we want to show. Our research team then takes that idea and gathers as many references as they can to make sure we get it right.It’s no secret that Tinto is a team of animal lovers (we frequently have to climb over numerous sleeping pets to get around the office), so we tried to include animals where possible.The 2D illustrators begin the sketching process (starting with a set of thumbnails, above), and after several weeks, we reach the final illustration. They make the scenes densely packed with detail and things to look at, as you will probably look at these many times over the years, and hopefully, you will occasionally notice something new.The layers are then placed into a scene by the 3D artists to prepare the subtly animated parallax effect. The camera is made to draw slowly away from the focal point, as the foreground and edges are revealed.
Finally, the audio team’s soundscape is the immersive finishing touch - whether it is the clamour of a crowd, the trumpeting of an elephant, or the horrifying rip of a musket volley, you are drawn right into the action. It’s also not just loading screens, all illustrations in the game’s interface, whether in side panels or event windows - have a similar soundscape experience.We think these loading screens are truly some of the most immersive experiences we have ever made, and we really hope you enjoy them.Martin Luther Nailing the 95 ThesesThe proclamation that begins the Protestant Reformation causes a ruckus outside All Saints' Church in Wittenberg, Saxony. The established clergy are, of course, outraged, but many townspeople, including Prince-elector Frederick III of Saxony, are curious. Flanked by companion scholars like Melanchthon, Luther is also accompanied by a swan, which is a trope in Lutheran art.The Port of LübeckSailors unload their cargo as burghers gather in the bustling marketplace beneath gabled brick houses. Boatswains call out orders, and traders advertise offers as herring, wool, and Baltic timber change hands beneath the banners of the Hanseatic League.Battle of White MountainImperial veteran infantry and Polish cavalry crash into the inexperienced Bohemian defenders of Prague. The entrenched artillery on the hillside falls to advancing pike squares as the Catholic League seals its decisive victory over the Protestant revolt.
I hate the platypus pictures already
Damascus Welcomes ForeignersIn front of the mosque of the Umayyads, the Mamluk governor of Damascus welcomes Venetian merchants.Zheng He Returns to NanjingAdmiral Zheng He’s treasure fleet arrives at Nanjing after a successful voyage, greeted by officials and traders as Bengali envoys alight. The Yifeng Gate and the Porcelain Tower rise over the bustling port.La Noche TristeHernán Cortés recoils on horseback, ordering retreat through the chaos as Emperor Cuitláhuac leads the Aztec counterattack. The Spanish ranks break under the assault, with Fray Bartolomé de Olmedo (in the white robes of the Mercedarian order) among the embattled conquistadors.
Indian CourtA Hindu ruler in south India holds court with traders and Muslim visitors as European ships appear on the horizon; dhows sail to meet the newcomers.Ashanti entourageThe king, adorned in kente cloth and gold jewellery, visits the town to survey the extensive constructions that he is a patron of. His entourage carries the golden stool through the market, which is selling a variety of local and foreign goods, including n’dama cattle.Beaver WarsIroquois warriors armed with trade guns and outfitted in wooden armour ambush an Algonquian warpath bolstered by a small French expedition.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hqJiGYdOhtIwhat will be our cope
>>2190974do everyone a favor kill yourself, /gsg/igger.
AchievementsBefore listing all the achievements that Europa Universalis V will release, I would like to explain and highlight the criteria and design behind them.First of all, EU5 achievements can only be unlocked in Ironman game mode, which has an unmodified checksum. This means that console commands cannot be used to help obtain them, and players must be careful with their actions, as the game restricts control over saved games. This limitation disallows players from correcting mistakes or changing decisions. The same applies to mods that significantly alter the game.Gamplay Learning AchievementsAll these achievements have been designed with the idea of unlocking them during the first few hours of playing the game. All are short-term objectives that the player can try to achieve to during the first few hours learning the game.That is Mine!Conquer a provinceTill Death Do Us PartSecure a Royal Marriage with another country.Brothers in ArmsBe in a war with over 90% warscore as a secondary participant.Victorious!Win a war.City of CitiesOwn a core province with at least 100 development.Cold WarHave a war without any ongoing conflict for 3 years.Crusader KingsWin a Crusade or a Jihād.For the GloryDiplomatically annex a subject.At Every ContinentOwn one location on each continent.Grand CoalitionJoin a Coalition of more than 5 countries.It Belongs in a Museum!Gain a new Work of Art.A Cabinet of CuriositiesHave a Cabinet Action of all three categories active at the same time.Hearts and MindsImprove the cultural opinion with another country.
>>2190958Are these achievements icons? Reddit will love this
>forum sissies still whining about achievements being locked behind iron man
We are happy with the philosophy and achievement-hunting experience that Europa Universalis IV and most of the Paradox Grand Strategy Games have followed over the past few years. At the same time, we have made efforts to design achievements that cater to all player types, whether you are a new player learning the game or someone with thousands of hours invested in Paradox games. You will find challenges suited to your skill level.Over the course of 10 years of developing Europa Universalis IV, we included a total of 373 achievements. For the release of Europa Universalis V, we plan to launch with 50 achievements. Some achievements from EU4 are returning, but they will feature tweaks and adjustments as a tribute.Country Specific AchievementsWe have created several achievements for the most popular countries. The idea is to establish historical milestones so that players can try to recreate these scenarios.Lingua FrancaAs France, be the Cultural Hegemon.Rule BritanniaStarting as England, form Great Britain and be the Naval Hegemon.Plus UltraAs Castile or Spain, have presence in Iberia, Maghreb, the Caribbean, Mesoamerica and Peru.City of Man's DesireStarting as the Ottomans, conquer Constantinople and end the Rise of the Turks situation as the strongest Beylik.Felix AustriaStarting as Austria, become Emperor of the HRE and be a Great Power.Hóngwǔ DìAs Míng, own the entirety of China and be the leader of the Middle Kingdom.Break the YokeBreak the Tatar Yoke as a Russian countryJe MaintiendraiForm the Netherlands as a minor nation starting with Dutch culture.Lion of the NorthStart as Sweden, ensure the victory of the Protestant League.The NavigatorAs Portugal, have presence in Africa, America, India and Indonesia before the Age of Reformation.House for HusStarting as Bohemia, win the Hussite Wars situation as Hussite.True Heir of TimurHaving had Timur as the ruler of your country, form the Mughal Empire.
>>2190989Literally who the fuck cares i don't get it, are these the same retards that play those ps5 movie games and get all collectibles in them ?
Difficult AchievementsA set of achievements that will require a high level of understanding of the mechanics and col loops of the game, and will probably demand different tries to achieve them.What a Great GuyBe present on every subcontinentTotal ControlHave 20 Locations with 100% controlBe In All The ClubsBelong to 6 International Organizations.What the Lord GivethHaving 8 privileges enacted for the Nobility, then remove all of themWelfare StateHave a market of your country with a full stockpile of at least 20.000 food.500 MilesOwn at least 100 locations with 5 roads each.RespectedHave 100 Prestige, 100 Legitimacy, and 100 Stability.L'État, C'est MoiReach 100 Value for both Centralization and Absolutism.
>>2190979not a cope albeit
Late Game AchievementsThis category includes a mix of generic achievements that cannot be completed until you reach the late Ages, along with some country-specific achievements that require certain triggers that become available after a specific year.A Manchurian CandidateStart as a country with the Jurchen culture, become the leader of the Middle Kingdom.A Pile of GoldOwn 25 locations which produce gold or silver.A Brave New WorldDiscover the New World.The Three MountainsForm Ryūkyū.Here I StandConvert to Lutheranism and unlock 3 Aspects of Faith.Just a Little Bit More PatiencePlay a campaign from 1337 until 1836.Potato PotatoStarting as a European country, produce potatoes.The Spice Must FlowStarting as a European country, the trade in cloves.Scientific VictoryHave at least 450 Advances researched.Cities SkylinesHave 200 total building levels in one location.MoneytalksBecome the Economic Hegemon.Doge CoinsStarting as Venice, become the Economic Hegemon.That’s all of them, and that’s all for today!
I quite like these iconsThis one is my favourite
did you know that the first indians or any other natives that got european guns didnt aim with them and just shot in random directions, because they thought that what kills the person is the magic, not the bullet.Libtards will never show you that.
>>2191019Generally I like them too but they feel a bit all over the place. The platypus for example is a very different style compared to the lion.
>>2191024I was today years old when I found out that the PDX icon is in fact a skeleton of a platypus which recontextualises this whole thing
The achievement images are IA generated, right?
polynesia content confirmed
>>2191034if any of them are a playable nation at the start they will be my first choicetotal isolation to learn the game, exploration and colonization, with the eventual endgame boss of europeans, a perfect game.
>>2190958I love this games art style frankly. Shame it's going to be a broken mess for a year at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahVi7d3NR8Pre-release stream with THE Johan in a hour (they got the timezones in the announcement wrong lol)
>>2191029To be fair that isn't very obvious, especially considering you never see platypus skeletons.>>2191032I honestly doubt that.
>>2191038Tonga, Samoa, Yap, Hawaii, Kauai, Oahu, Molokai, Maui are all playable. Hawaii is probably the best one with like 5 locations with resources that arent just fish and you have an obvious expansion path
>>2191044can you share where did they talk about it?
>>2191049https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-21-chagatai-tibet-22-mongolia-manchuria-eastern-siberia-27-oceania-feedback.1858345/ -Where they mention that they added the tagshttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-maps-27-22nd-of-november-2024-oceania.1716884/ -Initial post where you can see resource maps tho they might have been changed by now.
>>2191054nice, thank you anon
>>2191019The lion does not concern itself with the oppinion of a dane
>>2190980>EU5 achievements can only be unlocked in Ironman game modeComfy reddit dadgamers are going to hate this
>>2191054i dont understand why they didnt make Hawaii playable initially, how can you argue that it wasnt an organized state, it had pre-monarchy before europeans came there, thats why they got unified by the local cheif almost immediately after he got hold of the european weaponry, which wasnt the case for the vast majority of other natives around the world.>Each ahupuaʻa was divided into ʻili that in turn were divided into kuleana, individual plots of land that were cultivated by commoners who paid taxes to the land overseer each week. These taxes went to support the chief.
>>2190958Damn, AI’s getting good
>>2191091They probably didn't think much about it cause they had other stuff to focus on. Still there is more to add like Pohnpei and Kosrae which built this
>>2190973Cute
>>2190970>lmao Venetians
>>2191088The forums are already seething. I don't really give a shit either way but I find it funny how damn passive agressive it is too. Like >Wow. We already talked about this. I'm really dissapointed in you.And similar
>>2191019Someone was definitely having fun with them
>>2190980He cute
>>2190958The type of things the Paradox art team is doing instead of designing more period specific outfits for characters.
stream starts in 5
>>2191097have you seen the island in indonesia which people still construct megalithic tombs today?its called Sumba island.there are videos of the locals moving 100 ton rocks with their hands, contrary to the idiots saying it couldnt have been done without aliens or whatever
>>2191091>i dont understand why they didnt make Hawaii playable initiallySimple enoughThere's nothing to do as Hawaii and the game isn't old enough where blatant cheating and power creeping mechanics allow for Hawaii to be playable like it is in EU4. Give it 5 years and DLC and they would add it with sufficient buffs to make it interesting.
>>2191135we will see how their tech advancement works but they did add it now after complaintsim more worried about playing in americas since you are going to loose 3/4 of your pops after the plague and the growth rate in this game is non-existent, and since everything revolves around economy it might be game over without some magical bullshit
She cute
>>2191010>discovering america is a late game achievement1337 was such a mistake holy shit
The live chat is 90% turkroaches, I forgot how cancerous youtube chats are.
I really hope it's their streaming set-up that's shitty and not the engine, because holy stutterony does it look bad.
This is so meandering, it's impossible to follow what they're talking about with these Euro accents.
>>2191187They skipped to June at speed 5 very smoothly, where did people see the stutter?
>>2190958thank you for putting up with us for so long tinto anon
>Johan openly warning casuals that this isn't their gameHave we ever been this back?
>500 years long timeline>people only see 200>America will barely be discovered by the time people drop it
>>2191212based, it keeps americans out of this magnificent game
>>2191212This is honestly a huge issue for me, I like to play colonial games, but if I have to wait for 100 years for that to start what is there to even do, by that time I expect I have taken over most of Europe if I chose Castille or something.
I cant be arsed to watch everything I missed so far, any tldr?
>>2191222not much really.
have they addressed timelapsegate yet?
i was waiting for them to point their mouse on kyiev for longer than 0,01 seconds to confirm my suspicion that its not a subject of the golden horde, to see how cucked they are.
>>2191207I NEVER STOPPED KNEELING
I'm looking forward to Alvaro's section
I have a 3800x cpu. How fucked am I?
>>2191222Sincerely nothing. They've just given rambling answers to softball questions cherrypicked from the fans. If you've followed the game development even broadly, you already know the answers to everything they've covered so far.
>>2191219You construct the best colonizing country
>>2191236Why are you gay?
>>2191236mindbroken russian lmao
My fighting Spicu-hai... whom do you serve?JOHAN
>>2191236Not only is it not a subject, but that isn't even the worst offense. Wait until you find out the other ways history was warped there.
>>2191219the extra 100 hourse give me more time to stop the latinos from ever being a thing, south america will be based
>>2191243yes, i also saw the old mapsits not how it looks right now tho
what a fag jfcrefunded
>>2191250Eurosians will make a million excuses for why it is okay to make changes to the game to appease nationalists.
>>2191239Fucked. Wait outside NASA and pick up one of their super PCs they trashed because it couldn't upgrade to Win11.
>>2191252Zuttwear
>>2191252Silmunas have infiltrated the studio, patriots are in control
When do actual humans get to stream the game?tomorrow or friday?
>>2190974Have the devs addressed the nothing ever happens at all?
>>2191259The game isn't out for humans until november
>All Under Heaven for CK3 and EU5 coming out a week between each otherIs there really so little overlap in the audience?
u think she let them crack?
>>2191263CK3 is for the Sims fans, not the map painters
>>2191263CK3 is complete dogshit so yes
>>2191263For me personally none of my friends that love ck3 are into EU. No interest in the time period, no interest in the more broader strategy aspect of the game etc.
>>2191263>>2191269ck3 is for brown larpers
>>2191269CK3 is just an RP simulator for women and fags
>>2191250That is a completely different map mode. It also still shows kyiv as being under the golden horde's control.So I ask again, why are you gay?
>>2191274here how the current map looks only a few states are yellow
>>2191263CK3 is meant as a masturbation tool. There is no overlap.
>>2191276Well yeah the Tartar Yoke is an international organization like the HRE.
What will be some begginer friendly countries?
>>2191276that is the default map mode but all of those states are in the Tatar Yoke IO you dumb nigger
>>2191276omg did you see the HRE?????? it's not all grey???????????wtf is wrong with these radical leftist woke ass devs
>>2191276Was it this big in real life? I remember looking at Wikipedia for this particular state and it didn't even seem to fully exist. Like it was an administrative region that traded hands.
>>2191284i didntnone of their previous games depicted it
>>2191263CK3 is for the brapfags
>>2191287how is this real
>>2191283>>2191282holy seethe>>2191280its the same political map
>>2191281population is importantfeeding your army and general pops is importantaka, if you want easy mode, you need to play a large nation with sufficient amount of farmlands and a large amount of popsHungary, France, some suckas in asiaHungary is especially good for a start (it's even one of the recommended nations by the devs)lots of flatland, millions of pops, no major threat nearby
>>2191286EU3 did
do we know what time the game unlocks on the 4th?
>>219129917:00 Central Euro time
>>2191219I live colonial games too but I don't mind this as much since I also prefer playing minor non-traditional colonizers. Gonna do my first game as arbórea and spend the first 150-200 years consolidating Sardinia and Corsica, getting strategic port locations (I.e. pillars of Hercules, Carthage), and making enough money to fund my eventual voyages.
okay i admit i've been wrong in my assumption
>>2191289Some dev over there is just obsessed with farts
>>2191306now you HAVE to play as kyiv in your first game
>>2191276So? They changed the coloring scheme after december 2024. The pic I posted is only 4 months old and still shows them as being part of the tatar yoke.You're just acting like a( gay) retard.
>>2191302maybe I'll take a half day on tuesday then
KEEK THE GAME CRASHED
The game just crashed on stream
oh nononono...
It's over... I refunded...
$60USD plus tax plus tarrif plus tip
>CRASHED LIVEohnonononono
HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND
god this is so slow, im gonna skim through the video later, otherwise im gonna go asleep
Reminds me of the XCOM2 expansion prerelease streams where the devs were praying on stream that the Warlock didn't crash the stream
I never got an answer about industrial mechanics/railways...
Now its actually over
>>2191338neither have i about the global mapjannies are niggers
where paradox is located in
I'm sure the community will take the game crashing lightly and joking about it and won't obsess autistically with it, labeling the game as DOA until its release.
>>2191338They simulate the entire industrial revolution with quite a few bonus techs. While the game is meant to end in 1836, you can continue on quite well until the 20th century.
>people die when they are killedGOTY
>>2191346damnjohan really hates vicky 3 huh?
>>2191346Considering how EU5's representation of iron and steelworking is complete fantasy tier, I doubt that they accurately "simulate the entire industrial revolution".
>the game sucks btw I have over 1000 hours in like 8 weeksI do find youtubers like the playmaker funny
>>2191346Victoria Era mod will make it complete
My sister will be playing with a BBC the 4th (Building Based Country)
god the developers look so søy
>>2191354He's paid to play the game. He could be seething every moment and still play because he has to milk it for content
>>2191361all zoomies are like that
Holy shit this Ryagi guy is annoying
I'm sure the BBC will be enough to satisfy my sister (Building Based Country)
>>2191218>it keeps americans out of this magnificent game>implying Americans don’t play these games to ancestry larpI ONLY play countries my ancestors lived in irl at game start.
>>2191368I see paradox are really trying to appeal to the chinese audience
lol it looks like they just said fuck it, who gives a shit>the languarges of australia where each tribe from 5km away speaks a different onenot like they have a huge vocabulary tho
>>2191373Lol based>Fuck ‘em. They’re all abbos anyway.
Oh my god who the hell cares
>>2191373I don't give a shitt. australian
This is more embarassing than the crash
>>2191373can't wait to mod out all these """""pops"""""
>>2191354Reminds me of the seetheposters ITT kek>god its awful vggghh its so le woke bros ugghhh (200 hours invested so far, game not out yet)
>>2191373https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pama%E2%80%93Nyungan_languages its kinda real
>>2191303utterly based sardubro
>>2191373If they accurately model them as not being able to use boats, they might genuinely be the worst start in the game
So this is what happens when there's no bullying at schools
>>2191010>The Three Mountains>Form Ryūkyū.That is not what the Three Mountains achievement is you cowards! They better change this!
>>2191386WCs got a lot easier over time, right?
Oh yeah, they said banking nations were playable at one point didn't they lmao?
>>2191367Damn anon, I know you're sister is fat but that doesn't mean you should call her a country.
>80% of devs are just Spanish nerdsThis game is either going to be a masterpiece or abyssmal dogshit.
>>2191391They definitely did.I remember anons posting about their plans to play jewish banking cabals.
Anyone elses noticed how spiritually similar indians and mutts are? It's becoming harder and harder to tell them apart.
>>2191391Yes, otherwise Japanese clans wouldn't be playable either.
>>2191393atleast there is a possibility, imagine if it were anglos or americanshaven't released a decent strategy game in decades
>>2191381i feel like its the same as depicting all europen ones as indo-european language group
>>2191396>muttsThese are all 100% european spaniards.
>>2191396rent free yuropoor
>>2191409Europeans were always the mutts. All the good looking people were exiled to the New World.
>>2191384in eu4 it absolutely isyou just paint the continent for 100 years and wait for anyone to please show upwill see about the tech advancement in this game works, maybe its even worse, but at least they wont loose 90% of their pop in mid game like americans
>>2191019the spice platypus one could be a wallpaper>>2191263I much preferred CK2 to EU4, but CK3 lost me early onThe Byzantium/adventurer and Asia DLCs look good for actual historical/strategy gameplay, and I've heard mixed things about the Steppe DLC. They'll have to rework and upgrade Europe and Christianity for me to come back on board, but the wall of text click-through goofy/mundane event writing will probably still be there, so it might be years down the road before I give it a go - I dropped EU4 before the end of the 2010s
>>2191405The difference is that Europeans matter, whereas aboriginals do not
>>2191428Ding ding ding. I hope they applied this philosophy to the entire game.
>>2191415I suspect the americans will actually have a reasonable chance of surviving to the endgame.It was really only right at the end of the game that the colonial states dominated north america, and the domination of south america was largely facilitated by disease and active collaboration with the spanish by native groups.If a group of natives were able to survive the initial disease and attacks by the spanish then I think they'll have a decent chance to survive to the end of the timeline
>>2191432But sooner or later they will get old world diseases and have zero immunity.
>>2191443What I mean is that only happens once. Your biggest disadvantage is immediately after first contact, and even the colonial foothold of Europeans is very fragile at first. If you can survive that, then your market and capacity to defend yourself will improve massively over time
>>2191432i've been thinking about a conniving plan to hide or colonize some other land yourself, wonder how does decease spread, will it affect all your colonies at the same time, which would be lame, or is it province based like in ck3, which you can work with.
>>2191019
>>2191459I imagine it's like the black death, limited to the new world. No doubt there will be some massive exploits at first in terms of provinces/pops which are immune
>>2190992
>>2191474sexo
>>2191474In true french fashion, this is a man's lips
>>2191482Well period accurately nobody cared what a woman had to say.
>>2191469>>2191459inb4 it also affects european pops there
>>2191474
oh look its the cuck for the black african noble
I stopped following around an hours ago, did I miss anything important?
>>2191482yes theater only allows male actors
>>2190960>HERE IS OUR DRAWING PROCESS, WE DRAW EVERYTHING BY HAND, SOLELY HUMANI'd have a lot more respect for them if they just owned up to it.
>>2191493*an hour
>>2191493Did you see the crash to desktop?
>>2191482No, it's a Catalan woman who got FRANKED. This is canon, France conquers Aragon every game. The color rubbed off on her lips from the Big Blue Blob
>>2191498That's the index of the hand on the upper left corner, retardanon.
>>2191503why is it bent like that?
>>2191503Not only does the line not match, neither does the colour.
>>2191498all professional artists are secretly using it but arent telling anyone because the commies will crucify them
>>2191498Please tell me they didn't bring global coalitions back
>>2191503>wrong skin colorthis mf got raynaud's?
>>2191498It'd be way harder to prompt this than to just draw it. One hand is bad enough, five fucking overlapping hands of all different colors in the right orientation is nigh impossible to gen.
>>2191491Does anyone remember what video the cuck line was from?
>>2190967Why the fuck did they add a goose?So fucking reddit. One of the most relevant events of the period and they have to add le quirk long neck duckarino
>>2191498>overworked human artists don't make mistakes
>>2191516paradox has already been using it openly in some stellaris dlc, i imagine they just stopped talking about it after the negative reaction
>>2191519Historical art did that for symbolism all the time. It is actually more based than a lot of their art.
>>2191519>>2190967i like this picture only the crowd on the right seems a bit squished maybe
>>2191508Try to cover your hand with the other and let me know if the fingers did not bend>>2191511The lines match, they fucked up the skin color
>>2190970>EU5 has twinksI'm sold
>>2191500Nope, but I did read about it here lol
>>2191528>The lines matchwhy does it bend so much compared to the other fingies
>>2191516bullshit, watch this
EU3 won (again)
>>2191538Entartete Kunst
>>2191533>>2191537The new one is better ngl
>>2191542Hitler would've gotten into art school if he could do that
>>2191533>>2191537I prefer the first, but both are excellent
>>2191498This one struck me as AI too. There’s just something uncanny about it. There’s something wrong with the eyes.
>>2191533was eu one also by craig mullins?
>>2191537Notice how cowardly the Europeans look here and how brave guys who don't know why the booming sounds are dropping their comrades nor what those giant creatures are look.
>>2191546I wonder when will vidya industry understand that photo realism isn't real shit any more? Hitler couldn't see it.
>>2191533>>2191537The newer one is way too cluttered. Complicated art can be elegant, but simplicity is elegant in itself.
>>2191550Those hands are also just shapes with details added in later. That could be AI or it could be an artist doing that, but the shape language is very AI-coded.
>>2191546WOULD HITLER USE AI?
>>2191550which did they write "poo' 4 times on his jacket
>>2191550you will work yourself up in to insanity if you keep this upfocus on the art itself
>retards that never actually used AI seeing AI literally everywhereI am tired of entertaining low IQ apes on the internet.
>>2191560AI is white coded
>>2191550>>2191557I don't know if this is AI or a human shitposting with the shapes
>>2191537what is the universal percentage of looses before the army runs away again? 15%?
>>2191568SAAR PLS BE OF USING THE ARDIFICAL INTILIGENCEYOU ARE BLOODY BANCHOD STUPID MONKEY PAKISTANI IF YOU ARE NOT OF USING IT!!!!!!!
>>2191561The British army wore kilts when they were in Scotland. This man clearly works for the East India Company.
>>2191550>there's just something about itYeah, it's low quality which you automatically associate with AI because AI is popular nowThat's really all it is, it looks like AI art because AI art looks like human art, and AI art is everywhere so your brain labels human art as AI. Now you understand why artists are mindbroken by it, they themselves get accused of being AI because what they make is functionally the same
>>2191560he would either join an extremist anprim commune or use it to design his just stop oil pamphlets, hard to say really
>>2191575Absolutely seething and mindraped
>>2191474Those are some dick sucking lips
>>2191537>cross of burgundy>except burgundy never fucking happens>let alone spanish netherlandslmao
>>2191573Anon are you fucking retarded?Did you not even think to google how an actual frigate looks before posting this?
>>2191498if an AI could do a single hand correctly, they'd get the AI to do five hands and just layer them. As a total amateur when it comes to drawing/photoshop, I think what you might be noticing is the layering, which as a feature not available to traditional pre-computer artists definitely encourages sloppiness in composition - if the white hand was a bit further forward or more closed, you might not notice the index finger of the middle-tone hand peeking out from below the white hand in an obtrusive wayThe scene is also one that's very easily to make a reference photo from life for, so if they got five hands (of any colour) from the office, they could take a photo and trace over it, which might be 1:1 represented in an image like this but still somehow seem "off" to the viewer's perspectiveI don't doubt that many places are shitting out AI content, but I haven't seen evidence for paradox doing so and I can't understand rabidly anti-AI people who understand image generation so little that they pounce on random images as AI generated, when image generation is the least troubling aspect of AI
>>2191587why not just generate one hand and then rotate and recolour it manually 5 timescheckmate, theist.
>>2191586Holy shit, you're so close to saying something smart, but you are genuinely not intelligent enough to see it
>>2191579its good for an icon, you arent supposed to look at it under the microscope
>>2191573>what is perspective
>>2191590why not generate a hand with twenty fingers and five thumbs
>>2191579>low qualitynow compare it to the quality of EU4 icons
>>2191591The bottom circle is fucked, the top circle is fine
>>2191587>ai can't do handslmao that hasn't been true in two years grandpahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07AgCgpzvoM
>>2191552y-yeah definitely weak and cowardly, the damn woke agenda got us again brosNo seriously why do so many posters in the past couple weeks have /pol/ and /int/ brainrot, it's really embarrassing, nobody wants to read that shit dude kek
Why would the cheevo icons be so big when you only see them on Steam as tiny little shits?
>>2191498I remember when people used to make art mistakes all the time and no one called it AI. Good times.
>>2191596pic for reference
>>2190980>First of all, EU5 achievements can only be unlocked in Ironman game mode, which has an unmodified checksum. But why? Unmodded Paradox games suck, why should achievements be blocked because I choose to play with mods? Yeah some people will use it to cheat but literally who gives a fuck? There'll always be a way to cheat them anyways even with ironman like you can in EU4.
>>2191498who gives a shit
>>2191585It is destined to happen one way or the other. God wills it so it can go on to be used in his Kingdom's flag after the Spanish give it up.
>>2191597It's all funky. It's half evidence that a human just did shapes that are close enough. Humans and AI can both do that.
>>2191585They talked about this, Spain will get the cross even without the Bourbons if the empire is big enough in the 18th century or something like that just because its that iconic
>>2191023that sounds like bullshit, it's not like they didn't have projectile weapons
>>2191599He is literally malding
Game looked clean, save for the CtD
>paradox are charging you $85 PLUS TIP to run ai prompts for youor>paradox artists are so fucking braindead they draw hands with the wrong number of fingersWhich is it, dickriders?
>>2191498>AI derangement syndrome>>>/r/eddit
>>2191611You can see projectiles though, bullets travel faster than the human eye.
>>2191533>>2191551it is and there are some differences, hmm
>>2191615It's over Wiz, you losted. Johan wonned.
>>2191609It looks like a thin shape that's just been bit crunched to shit and consumed by its outline
>>2191610>history is so iconic we have to simulate it!wish they'd have told anyone other than the art team that
>>2191621wow it's amazing how much better this looks, and I already thought the other was good
WHERE ARE THE WHITE PEOPLE ON THE STREAM HOLY SHIT
>>2191603>huge hand with 8 fingershow the fuck did value miss that kek
>>2191629They're right there, the woman is just too spicy for you, johan
>>2191474POV: you are a BBC
now if only they would spare 5% of their artists time to the UI...
>>2191632Even Johan knows that Spain is whiter than sw*den nowadays
>>2191625That wouldn't make the shapes so funky
>>2191633What do Building Based Countries have to do with France?
>>2191629english is a nigger language tho
>>2191250They're under the Tatar Cocksleeve organization, same as Muscovy and the other countries. Originally this meant that they all have the colour of the Golden Horde, but this was changed later on.
>>2191638Have you ever actually drawn anything, anon?
>>2191629Wypipo are too busy making woke UE5 slop
>>2191643Yes, and it seems like you haven't if you don't get where I'm coming from.I do think I understand where you're coming from. I think you just need to be comfortable not knowing if it's done by AI or by a human. Unless you're actually the artist, in which case you need to become comfortable understanding that nobody knows.
The Tatar Woke...
Oh my goodness me my anus is quivering as a hot load of shit soils my pants! I’m so excited for EU5 sisters! Oh shit I’m defecating myself again! My butthole can’t take the excitement!!
>>2191621lmfao, you can see every place they had to inpaint and manually blot out hallucinations>just drew the fingers as lines and blobs because AI can't handle hands>typical shiny artstyle with light in the background>random shapes and details emerging from nowhere>that "face" on the rightyeah all human art by humans only bros!!
>>2191648that's the tytyr wyke to you, ni- I mean, zigger scum
>>2191650dont forget the clouds, the most glaring evidence
>>2191598You really watch shit like this?
>>2191599Is this a real thing that happened? Random priest just holding up a cross in the middle of the front line?
>>2191498>>2191474Ja, she's not good with her hands dere, but that mouth is incredible.
>>2191657It is done to make the Europeans look more foolish
>>2191649This is me but unironically.
>>2191519>Why the fuck did they add a goose?Boy it sure would be swell if they explained it in their tinto talk.>Luther is also accompanied by a swan, which is a trope in Lutheran art.Oh yeah they did, which you would know if you weren't an illiterate subhuman
>>2191658You have good taste, Johan
>>2191643>>2191646 (me)I'll elaborate a bit. What could a human give as reasonable explanations for what I'm seeing.>I deliberately made the shapes funky to give it a childlike appearancereasonable and likely, and it was my first thought>I didn't give a fuck, I just speed painted itexplains why the shape is so funky, I would've used a reference for the shape>I used a toy as a referencevery reasonable explanationThat's why I'm just ready to put it under "I don't know"The way shapes overlay each other looks more human than AI though.
>>2191659Europeans do that just fine on their own.
>>2191655No, I posted that to show AI can easily do hands now.
Which savages will be the first ones (you) will conquer or delete?
>>2191432>If a group of natives were able to survive the initial disease and attacks by the spanish then I think they'll have a decent chance to survive to the end of the timelineThey survived to the end of the timeline IRL, South and Central America were almost native ethnostates, and there was still land not populated by W*te devils in the North.
JOHAN SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>2191666>deleteHow viable will TOTAL extermination be? Sure, you can colonize the Caribbean, smallpox will get rid of 80% of them, and you can pick some off with the inevitable uprisings, but how do you get rid of the last 10%?
>it's another Ryagi hold an autist dev hostage at camerapoint segment
>>2191669Become a colonial nation and use the injun pops to colonize Australia?
>>2191669You will probably need a mod for total extermination. Via a genocide button if you will.
>>2191671its so bad it's good
>>2191615Paradox is charging me 0$ to give me a game, and the achievement art is either from a shitty ai or a shitty artist(this doesn't matter to me since I'm white and do not bother with achievements)
>>2191671can't have enough of those
>>2191666I'll definitely be testing a "delete irrelevant pops" mod early on, just to see if it makes a difference performance-wise. Australia and polynesia could be cleared out without much hassle. In EU4 my script deletes all oftechnology_group = polynesian_techtechnology_group = aboriginal_techtechnology_group = south_americantechnology_group = north_americantag = ANUtag = KMCtag = CHUtag = HODtag = CHVtag = MIS
>>2191680Wonder if it's like V2 where if a province has no pops it bugs out and can never get pops again or like Imperator where if a province has no pops it becomes uncolonized.
>>2191680you forgot anatolian_tech
>>2191669Just breed them out
>>2191681There are uninhabited islands to colonize so locations with no pops probably work fine
>>2191615>He pays money for ParaslopGood goy!
>>2191667Yeah, that's what I mean. It's very much not the case in EU4 though where the map gets painted by euros by the late 1600s
>>2191684dios mio
>>2191688how poor are you?
>Its hard to explain in talk... but yeah..>Russia does not form usually due to Novgorod and Muscowy getting a long too well.>Spain forms 20-25% of the handsoff, but usually due to warfare.>AI plays the game to try to make the strongest country possible, and tend to be too good in diplomatic containment there.>In an MP game today, as Bulgaria I lost a war against AI Halych, as they allied their AI neighbours north of them, like Kyiv, Volhynia, Smolensk and Polotsk, so after losing the campaign there I had to sign a peace giving up my alliances with Byzantium and pay war reparations.>So getting historical outcomes involves adding railroading situations, and giving buffs, and not all of them are 100% popular at times.Johan's comments on reddit on the AI thing
>>2191688I only buy base game and anything related to byzantium and pirate the rest.
>>2191689Why do you keep complaining about the New World being colonized by 1600?IRL all of South America was claimed with the treaty of Tordesillas.>noooooo they didn't have effective controlerinoBy this logic 90% of Australia is still uncolonized.Colonization is just when everyone accepts your claim.
>>2191694What do you like about Greek larpers continually failing?
>>2191693<Has it ever been considered to add a gamerule like Lucky nations or something similar so people can still experience historical games?>Yeah, having railroading is something that can be added, if you want countries to go in a certain ways..<Does that mean there is a gamerule/option already or is this something that might be added later on?>I'd rather add more situations, and that is our goalAn exchange between Johan and redditors
>>2191698>redditors>in favor of railroadingwhat? I thought they were full epic ulm blobbers.
>>2191693>>Russia does not form usually due to Novgorod and Muscowy getting a long too well.tfw wholesome timeline where piggers and ziggers walk side by side as orthodox brothers
>>2191696Because I am greek anon. The time period, if handled properly, is very interesting with how the emperors tried to mend the schism but the rivalry was already too big. So hopefully the DLC addresses the issues at the time instead of le epic greek fire RESTITVTOR ORBIS etc
>>2191699Kiwibros...
>>2191699lmao chinks eat shit
>>2191702Makes sense, in a world without a mechanic like claims or ideas of naturally defensible borders (which AI is both incapable of imagining and which do not exist in the game) there's no reason why the orthodox nations don't just form a hugbox. You can have like 10 allies max and if there's 15 orthodox nations and thanks to +20 opinion from same religion they will inevitably all ally each other in such a way that none of them can make progress.
>>2191699estCHADS win AGAIN...
>>2191703>The time period, if handled properly, is very interesting with how the emperors tried to mend the schismThey really didn't try to "mend the schism", they were using that as their only card to try to get the Pope to BTFO the Turks.And as the crusade of Varna proved, it wouldn't have worked anyway.
Did the devs talk about the late game/industrialisation at all?
>>2191710nigga, discovering the new world is a late game cheevo
>>2191707This problem exists in EU4 as well mainly due to the Trust mechanic, AI always ticks trust up over time so alliances become permanent.Only the Rival mechanic breaks them and it's probably not working the same way in EU5I always hated all that shit anyway. Favors were a mistake.
>>2191710guess
>>2191714I want to die
>>2191701The tide is turning! The simulationist reddit blobtard onions republic will be destroyed by the epic zased holy order of the kneel. Johan shall prevail. KNEELBROS.... I CALL TO ALL OF YOU. RISE.
>some people (all me) wanted us to show the world map so the furthest we will show is indonesiayea, totally what i've been repeatedly asking for with my direct mentions of americas and polynesia
>>2191723they are hiding something, probably they fucked the americas up
>>2191723nno one gives a frick about the poopcific
>Ryagi starts talking about how his relation to the game changed during development or whatever>Johan just takes the keyboard and starts playing>LET ME SHOW YOU BUILDING BASED COUNTREE
>>2191695Nigga control is literally the central mechanic of the game and control in EU4 represents complete resource extraction, complete cultural domination and the ability to redirect 100% of your government's resources towards turning some mountainous shithole into a city larger than paris and beijing in less than a month.Subverting history is the fun of these games. I don't know why you'd play them if you just want to watch real life happen regardless of what you chose
>>2191698>Forming Netherlands and/or Prussia for the AI would require situations, that creates the narrative including others.>Which is something I do want to add. Situations is what causes the historical development of 100 years war, and the first phase of the Rise of the Ottomans.
>>2191707The exact same problem used to happen in MEIOU. Everybody had a force limit of like 3 guys so if a country got allies they could never be killed. They tried to put a bandaid on this by introducing an arbitrary "alliance limit" you could never exceed, I think it was based on government rank. Which meant every AI country became free food because they had no allies.There has to be some middle ground. Where countries have enough allies to deter predators but not so many the prey becomes impossible to eat forever and ever.
>>2191726noticed this he is mogging him right now lmao
>>2191728I think he just wants to form his home country Brazil really really fast and is sad he can't colonize it all in 1494
>>2191723>yuan is still puke green after more than 1 yearThey really aren't going to change it before launch, chinks are going to boycott the game
>>2191739they don't care about yuan, mainly ming probably
>>2191739>greenFix your eyes mate
>>2191734kek
>>2191709Very analytical and perceptive anon, try writing a book on their history and get your academical recognition :^)
okay 1 frame out of 60, looks mostly the same in americas
>>2191703>>2191709>is very interesting with how the emperors tried to mend the schismThey actually did mend the schism in the Council of Florence, in 1439.>On 6 July 1439 the union was proclaimed (in both Latin and Greek) in the document Laetentur Caeli ("Let the Heavens Rejoice") which was signed by Pope Eugene and by the Byzantine Emperor John VIII Palaiologos.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_FlorenceIt just happened that a few years after the Greeks were conquered and the Ottomans were having none of it and put a puppet patriarch in charge with the solely intention of boicot this decision.>With the fall of Constantinople the last prospects of the union, too, fell. The new Ottoman rulers wanted to prevent the conquered Byzantines from appealing to the West, so Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror appointed the anti-union Gennadius Scholarius as Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople; he immediately renounced the Filioque and the Great Schism was renewed.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_of_Union_with_the_Greeks
>>2191739I don't understand this meme of China being a beige yellow color in Paradox games.They love bright red all over everything, red dragons, red seals and ink, red wedding outfits, red buildings, red plates, they probably had fucking red toilet paper and underpants too. But nah let's make them look like blank space on the map we took a piss on instead.
>>2191745a map from last month
>Johan likes the columbian exchangeUmmm based?
>>2191746>greeks would be catholic today but the turks told them to stay orthodox so they didkek
>disable 3d terrainI kneel
>>2191709>They really didn't try to "mend the schism"Anjouposters get out reeeee
>>2191752Greeks were Orthodox already long before the schism happened so why would they become Catholic after it was mended?
>>2191751It was totally worth it.
>>2191748Thats because Japan is red already. But Yuan in EU4 is also some kind of red
>>2191745mostly?
>>2191757Ah im retarded and confused that with Triangle Trade
>>2191757would have killed 100 million more for potatos and tomatos
>>2191713Except that in EU4 Russia gets claims and that's a -200 you hold stuff we want fuck you and they will break any alliance immediately.>>2191730It's just a matter of giving the AI claims. Without claims It makes sense for the 2 mid rank powers in Orthodox world to ally each other because who else would they ally. But when you force them to hate each other because one has claims then one will inevitably win and then has the strength to crush the rest.
>Byzantium name settingHoly shit lol
>>2191763a needed compromise so byzaboos dont go apeshit
>>2191757We also got back some new diseases from these americans.
>>2191702>wonder why muscovy blobbed irl >look it up>every single video on the topic is biased due to modern day events>can't find a single objective description of the forces that led them to grow irlhttps://youtu.be/CMpkBOTCgCM&t=2337
>>2191748>I don't understand this meme of China being a beige yellow color in Paradox games.don't look up the Ming or Qing flags
Why should I care about Dev Clash?
Yo dev clash is back! also, wtf is it
>>2191763the power of autism
>>2191768yes we are in a cold war and truth isnt beneficial to winning wars
>>2191768Just read a 10 year old book you fag
We need K*iv name setting too, Johan
>>2191775Russia has been an enemy since the great game. You want me to read books from the 18th century?
>>2191763this was talked about in one of the first tinto talks, its probably one of the oldest eu5 features
>>2191777Just change it in the game files
>HUGE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT>it's just......dev clash
>>2191778Russia has been an enemy since the battle on ice.
>>2191781Could do the same for the gayreek state but they get a setting instead
>>2191785Russia inherited enemy status from the Byzantines.
>>2191759yea, minor differences from before, lake tribes, that middle one i dont know the name of
>>2191787Historical autism. Give it 200 or so years and then it will be a game setting.
>>2191744Seethe more.
Based Johan>just fucking smashes the start button and shows countries from the inside
>I love the buildings.I hate them. I turning that shit off.
>>2191790yeah, looks like the iroqois are there from game start now
>>2191790Cahokia died before European contact so we know jack shit about them.
>>2191728>colonize a province>have the entire landmass immediately flip to you>all starts 0 control but gradually increases as you get more pops thereThis is how it should be. None of that "all colonized provinces need to be 50% European before you can take them" bullshit.Reminder literally no part of South America was majority European in the timeframe of the game.
>>2191768the TERRIBLE ivan is somehow involved, but you wont find anything on his empire building and consolidation of power, only on how terrrrible he wasin general its extremely fucking hard to find unbiased historical videos in english on youtube, 5 minute history is okay i guess and some bronze age ones just because of how long ago it was..
>4k norse pops in swedenholy based
i boughted.
>>2191801It isn't 50%, dumbass
>>2191757>>2191761And for some brown pussy
Norse religion is such a reddit meme
>>2191750cant see shit on the island in that res. I think there is something on the far right and left
Johan is VGHing hard at the norse sweden
>>2191803What I do is I accept parts of history I agree with and don't accept parts I disagree with, that's the only way to truly acquire historical knowledge because I am the sole unbiased person in the world.
they blobbed because the ottomans lost the mandate of heaven while neighbouring a horde with more than 300 dev
>>2191807It looks like they edited it down, but it used to be 50%.>In order for a colonial charter to complete, at least 1000 pops must be present in every location in the charter and you need 36% of the pops in every location to be either your primary culture or an accepted culture and 36% of the pops to be your nation’s religion. That means a location with 20000 natives will take much longer than a location with 200 natives to colonize. When the location is colonized, those natives will become tribesmen pops, a pop class that's harder to promote compared to peasants.
>>2191690Most old stock americans had indian dna, my guess is that anglo women being ugly did wonders.
>>2191816That seems entirely reasonable. Colonialism should be expensive and slow at first
>>2191709I get that it would be insulting to write off everything that happened since 1453 as Turkish manipulation of Greek politics through their control of Greek church appointments, but it seems unreasonable to say that the continuation of the schism after 1453 was down to the triumph of popular Greek religion, and not just top-down politics of the ecumencial emperor versus the sectarian sultan>>2191777unironicallyisn't it still a phenomenon in English that even institutional people refer to the medieval period as Kiev and the post-1990s city as Kyiv
>>219180310 minute history*some bias but relatively low compare to othersthe biggest issue of all western historians is the popular view on the "tyrants", not understanding that rulers are not people, its a job position, they are doing what is needed for the state in the current conditions. But "historians" love to do psychoanalysis by freud, looking in to leaders childhood and all this crap.
>>2191803>Ivan THE TERRIBLEThat moniker isn't even translated right. It's "Terrible" in the "great" or "awesome" sense, not in the fearsome way. It's closer to the definition of "Terrific" if any.>>2191768Muscovy became the Grand Prince of the region by virtue of being the tax collector of the Mongols. Once the Mongols were weak enough, the Muscovites just conquered what they considered theirs, besides if not them, Lithuania would have gobble the Russian Principalities, and it basically became a race of who could conquer shit faster.Ironically, Lithuania could have become the Russia of our time if they played their cards right, but fucked up at the most crucial moments.
>>2191824>>2191825why are russians like this?
>>2191825Ivan the alright
>>2191821Nah, the colonization of America was actually fast by their standards.
>>2191825>It's "Terrible" in the "great" or "awesome" sense>Contemporary sources present disparate accounts of Ivan's complex personality. He was described as intelligent and devout, but also prone to paranoia, rage, and episodic outbreaks of mental instability that worsened with age.[5][6][7] Historians generally believe that in a fit of anger, he murdered his eldest son and heir, Ivan Ivanovich;[8] he might also have caused the miscarriage of the latter's unborn child.Are you sure about that?
>>2191822>isn't it still a phenomenon in English that even institutional people refer to the medieval period as Kiev and the post-1990s city as KyivThere's no accepted tradition anymore, it's become a shibboleth of how much you support Ukraine.People call the foodstuff of garlic butter inside chicken "chicken kyiv" now, they've also started calling it Kyivan Rus'.This isn't done with any other city. We don't call Barcelona Barthelona, but maybe if Spain does the wrong thing politically we might start.
>>2191829That really isn't true lmao. Even by the end of the game the only major settlements on the american continents were either prexisting or coastal and elsewhere it was even more sparse
>>2191757why does nobody ever mention syphilis well ofcourse they wont, because white devils
Imagine the timeline where Ivan married Elisabeth I.
>>2191816>tribesmen pops, a pop class that's harder to promote compared to peasants.I'll be curious to see how tribesmen play in relatively advanced countries where they're your primary pop type. there's probably scenarios where tribesmen are better than peasants
Imagine the smell
>>2191830first of all, all or most of your sources are polish-lithuanian/british, second of all the aristocracy was trying to kill him and his family throughout his entire life
>>2191834But the entire map was colored in, hence they should be represented as owned by Spain with 0% control, same as Siberia with Russia.
>>2191825>Lithuania could have become the Russia of our time if they played their cards righti think there was some alt history vic mod with Lithuania-Russia, i like this scenario
what country will be good for a comfy first game to get used to the economy shit? i was thinking england or japan but they both have gimmicky shit that might get in the way
>>2191864The idea of taking over Africa, bottom to top, as a Dutch minor sounded good.
>>2191864Naples or Denmark?
>>2191846>our sources are polish-lithuanian/britishSo?>the aristocracy was trying to kill him and his family throughout his entire lifeMaybe for a reason?
>>2191864Some Italian state or medium HRE prince if you want to start poorer
>>2191864my way i always going up from the absolute bottom you can find
>>2191864they say hungary has the least obstacles, but maybe you run into weird political stuff about inheritanceChina or Korea, maybe Morocco or Sweden if you want to be able/have to go to war once you figure out basic economics shit
>>2191872>sothey were enemies of russia>reasonyes, the reason of keeping their money and powernot doing what is best for the country
>>21912594th November
madagascar seems interestingif its historical it wont get colonized at all in the game's timeframe
>>2191886shit old map it grew for some reason
>>2191864steppes are prosperous and peaceful
I really hope the Spanish empire forms in a timely manner. It'd make any game in Asia a lot better.
>>2191889or no, it was correct map, the tribes actually decreased in size, i never thought this is possible with paradox
>>2191893do we have any screenshots of europeans settling/conquering asia? ive only seen america
>>2191384It's not even a start anon. There quite literally is not a single playable tag on the continent. In fact, there isn't even a single non-playable tag (SOP). It's all the equivalent of the uncolonised EU4 provinces that just have "3000 ferocity 5 natives" or whatever.
>>2191810I’m sorry, but simply no one cares about Polynesia. I hope you get the game and have fun with it though.
>>2191900abbos are the most retarded people on the planet so they shouldnt be, but im sure they will be eventually because this is how it works in this nigger life
>>2191906this is like just your opinion man
>>2191900this is LITERALLY what the British encountered from the Aboriginals thougbeit. They quite literally did not have a civilization. And that's fine but lets not pretend they were what they weren't. They didn't even fight particularly hard
I want to be a pirate and plunder the riches of other empires, but I also want to conquer the steppes and trample the civilized world under a million hooves. I also want to shoot natives. Which country could I possibly play?
I'll play Mamluks first time and Jihad my way through the euroach peninsula
>>2191882>16th century britain>enemy of just formed russiaAre you retarded?
>>2191846>first of all, all or most of your sources are polish-lithuanian/britishAnytime anyone brings up biased sources on Russia I'm reminded of Simon Sebag Montefiore.>father's side were rich Jewish bankers in London>father was a psychotherapist>mother's side were originally from a russian branch of a powerful jewish family>helped run a gold mine during apartheid>later claimed he did it "because he wanted to see apartheid fall">spends his days writing books seething at stalin for removing the jews from power in the USSRHe hits every box of the Jewish bingo card.https://youtu.be/C87cQvdjuFc&t=99
>>2191921british were plotting to take over russian fur ports 100 years after their first ever contactyou are retarded brainlet with the knowledge of history equal to a kindergartner
>>2191474That's one achievement i'll be showcasing
>>21917056:00 AM beats 4:00 AM by a long shot. 4:00 AM is the awkward middle ground where it's a bit too late to stay up for but also a bit too soon for waking up early to not be pain.
>>2191921Not him, but England have Russia have been enemies since at least 1650.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscovy_Company#DeclineThis was due to ostensibly due to England being pariamentary and Russia being absolutist, but trade was a big part of it.
>>2191928>you are retarded brainlet with the knowledge of history equal to a kindergartnerYeah, that's expected of sandboxcucks. History began the second they opened their eyes this morning.
>>2191936>he has a healthy sleep schedulenigga i'll be waking up at 6pm and playing all day
>>2191928>proofs?>>2191937That's just rescinding of privileges and expelling merchants, everyone did that to everyone.Hell the Hansa went to war with the Brits to reinstate their trade privilege.Doesn't mean they are big enemies or that sources predating the event are all of a sudden without any worth.
>>2191850Lines on maps don't mean shit, retard.What actually matters is control - and the systems of the game are already capable of representing things as they areThere is already a treaty of todestillas.Stop being so fucking brown
>>2191949>asks for proof the english and russians were rivals>gets it>"t-that's just expelling merchants..."do you want a photograph of the tsar shitting on a st george's cross or something?
>>2191900Oh, sick.That's a massive improvement on EU4
>>2191801Genuine question but how much did east coast stuff like Brazil have going on with natives during colonisation? Whenever I hear about South America natives it's almost always the andeans.
>>2191757we got diseases from the natives too though, but that goes against the narrative that europeans were a bunch of unwashed savages unlike the wholesome natives that taught them how to bathe before being ruthlessly killed
>>2191955Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize trading with people meant you want to genocide them and lie every time you open your mouth, my bad.
>>2191966What a loss, imagine the bunda
>>2191957Brazil was a slave colony, it was like 80% black before the huge wave of European immigration in the late 19th century
South American colonization, especially in Chile and Brazil, should enable some quick way to promote half-breed Iberian-Amerindian pops. In Chile these 'mestizos' quickly became part of the front line of colonial settlements against raiding tribes outside firm Spanish control and Brazil became such a huge territory because of the Bandeirante expeditions launched from Sao Paulo to claim further lands, gold and Indian slaves westward. By the late 16th century, many of the Crown-appointed leaders of these expeditions were 1/4 or 1/8 Amerindian themselves.
>>2191969Literally just go to africa and never post here again
>>2191949Life isn't a video game. Rivalry isn't what you think it is.
>>2191976My life is like a videogame
>>2191953>Lines on maps don't mean shit, retard.In terms of colonization they quite literally mean everything.By the logic of the game (36% of pops need to be European) almost nowhere was actually colonized in the time frame.
>>2191979Yeah you're going in my 3/4 rival slot for that snark asshole. I'm going to become comically evil and genocidal now. Your family is fucking dead.
>>2191971It's 80% black now.
>>2191982Which is 100% correct, the actual subjugation of the continent by colonists took longer than the span of the game despite your tordesillas map wankCry about it
>>2191986It's sadly not though
>>2191971By the time of indepence, Brazil's demographics were roughly 30% 'White'(here banding together the pure Whites and the people with some mix who already looked White for generations, as the Portuguese authorities did at the time), 50% Black/Mulatto, that is, visibly African people, and 20% Indian and Indian mutts. This head count excludes Indians living far of the reach of the colonial civilization. But sure the were places and cities were 80% of the population was black.
>>2191989By your logic the vast majority of the world is STILL uncolonized.
I hope there is early suez for the Mamluks like in EU4
>>2191999imagine how many syrians and nigerians you can fit in that bad boy
>>2192004None of the canals should be possible to be built in that timeframe, MAYBE starting from 19th century
what's the cheapest way i can buy eu5 for nov 4th?
>>2191957Some sources say 1 million natives lived about the entire coast region of what is today Brazil. There were several wars between the colonists and the coastal natives, sometimes they formed tribal federations against the Portuguese. They fought on multiple sides when other European powers tried to carve a chunk off Portuguese Brazil for themselves. Ultimately, those who survived the diseases and the wars were members of tribes who allied themselves with the Portuguese Crown and colonial captains. They just intermarried with the colonists and their descendants became the bulk of the "White" population in the 18th and early 19th centuries. See, in a land with so many Blacks and Mulattos, what Mexicans call a castizo was counted was White in colonial Brazil simply by virtue of not being negroid. Some natives chiefs from the east coast were granted noble titles by the Crown and produced some wealthy blood lines. If I recall correctly, the current queen of Sweden, which is Brazilian, is a descendant of one of these ennobled chieftains.
>>2192023>the current queen of Sweden, which is Brazilian, is a descendant of one of these ennobled chieftains.Well the French are known fornicators so nothing unusual about that.
>>2191971This is just a bit after the biggest african slave wave and before the huge wave of European immigration. Brazil wasn't Haiti.
>>2192022AFAIK only Steam and Paradox's own website sell it (as a Steam key), and it varies only if you are in a currency zone where Steam updates its regional pricing more accurately than paradoxPoland apparently has a far cheaper price on Steam.Paradox's website lets you put in a "content creator" promo code so that the content creator gets 12% of the overall price. Some people say steam takes less of a cut if you buy from Paradox, but that's nonsense, because Steam wouldn't let developers cheat them out of sales while still using the steam installation/mod manager infrastructure. Presumably the content creator percentage is coming out of paradox's margin.
>>2192016There was something preexisting in Egypt. Although I'm pretty sure it existed way before the game's start date. It was called the canal of the pharaohs.
>>2191694didn't this method shit the bed??creamapi or whatever the fuck it was calledlast time i read about it people said it doesn't work anymore
>>2191930stayvun posting in this fucking economy?
hmm, maybe starting here wont be that greatunless you can colonize right from the start i think the issue of resources might become a problemor can you gather them without settlement?
>>2191999that is pretty much all the habitable space in australia. the populated areas coloured here include inhospitable, snake-ridden desert
>>2192080I just used it today for All Under Heaven and it worked. You have to get files from the Russian site of course, and then paste them into your dlc files (unless it is something like total war where it all is downloaded but locked). I don't think cream can be prevented unless games make specific programs to find and attack it. But that'd be malware.
>>2192108>But that'd be malware.Pretty sure that is easier to circumvent, just have the DLCs as separate files that have to be downloaded instead of having them part of the game and only needing to be unlocked
>>2192111Couldn't you still share them? Meaning people could still pirate them.
>>2191474This is definitely gonna be some people's awakening to a nationplay fetish.
>>2192115Well yeah but that is already the case with all non-drm games.Anything past that just gets way more complicated, like general drm compared to just taking out creamapi
>>2191982it doesnt say europeans only
>>2192080people?one anons who tell you that you will get a virus if you pirate?
>>2192022
Who /hype/ here?I'm running England as soon as my 3rd world internet finishes the download...can't wait!
>>2191669Can't you force migrate them all to a single location like a small island, build nothing on it, and just let nearly all of them die off? Then once the population has dropped from that you can go park an army there to eat the food and get rid of the small remaining population.>>2191864Probably Korea or Portugal for the purest SimCity experience.
>>2191693>dude the start totally isn't a hundred years too early trust me bro
>>2192192Get over it already you little manwhore
>>2192193It's a game about the early modern period. I want to see early modern stats existing. It's bad enough that you almost never see Prussia or the Netherlands in EU4, now you just get France and that's it.
>>2192197>It's a game about the early modern periodis it though
>>2191633British Broadcasting Corporation?
>>2192197It's a game about the period from the late middle ages to the start of the Victorian era.
>>2191999To be fair thats per square kilometer, locations are much much bigger than that. You only nead something like 0.5 people per km2 to hit 1000 pops per location.Here's my awkward attempt at overlaying the council level population on the EU5 map for comparison, still definitly not fully 'colonised' by EU5 standards but not the completely bleak picture that map paints, more like a scattering of uncolonised and colonised locations.I am stuck in bed sick and clearly have way too much time on my hands
I think every player should experience a BBC (building based country) inside them at least once.
>>2192197By the 14th century, Europeans already started looking to the seas. It is plausible that things could've happened earlier. As for the Netherlands at least, they do seem to form quite a bit even if not historically. It is scientifically accurate though as it is thought that a changed past will always converge into our timeline. The Netherlands was always destined to exist.
>>2191695>Colonization is just when everyone accepts your claim.You don't extract resources from the land just by having a claim. Nice try.
>>2192213Experience it in my stead.
>>2191808Rape isn't very Christian. Why would the noble colonizers do this?
>>2191835>>2191959>we got diseases from the natives too thoughbarely>that goes against the narrative that europeans were a bunch of unwashed savages unlike the wholesome natives that taught them how to bathe before being ruthlessly killedNo one believes this, get over your victim complex. The reason the old world had more disease is because it had vastly more animal agriculture and almost all diseases are zoonotic in origin. Lots of people living in close proximity to lots of cattle/sheep/pigs/chickens = more disease.
>>2191808That wasn't very nice of him.
>>2191284> i remember looking at Wikipedia for this particular state and it didn't even seem to fully existTake your meds
>>2192065>Presumably the content creator percentage is coming out of paradox's margin.Heartbreaking. I have to choose between giving money to the most Jewish company on Earth or the basedfacing retards who shill their games for them.
>>2192231The people doing the conquest/slaving and the people spreading the word of God were typically two separate groups, often at odds with one another.
>>2192171>3rd worlders>playing as englandlmao
>>2192237>No one believes thisYou've never interacted with leftists then I take it?
>>2191599Why must libtards take ALL bait and SEETHE.
I shall sacrifice you evil Europoors to my sun God. I will not let the world slip into eternal darkness. You will regret ever coming near Tenochtitlan.
>>2191657>La Noche Triste>Hernán Cortés recoils on horseback, ordering retreat through the chaos as Emperor Cuitláhuac leads the Aztec counterattack. The Spanish ranks break under the assault, with Fray Bartolomé de Olmedo (in the white robes of the Mercedarian order) among the embattled conquistadors.
>>2192171england is the strongest country in europe in this game
>>2192245he means america anon
>>2192242a real sophie's choice
>>2192257Yeah, he should play as epic ulm and wcwho want to play as tier 1 countries?
>>2191739It’s poop color for the chinks retard. They seethe about mongol and jurchen BVLLS to this day.
I can't wait for this game to be good in a year and still waste hundreds of hours on it before that
>>2192262The cope is that they were sinicized.Which is actually true, culturally, but ethnically they still got stepped on.
>>2192231the one who wrote about it and spent the rest of his life complaining to the crown was the christian bishop.
>>2192267Damn, I'm seeing posts from two years in the future.
>>21922613rd worlders apparently
How do you think delivering the Seven Grievances of Nurhaci be handled in EU V?
>the christians raped the nativerinos!the whole notion of rape is an abrahamic concept, it didn't exist among the nativesit was like saying cavemen "raped" each otherfucking white saviors love to apply concepts to people who didnt have them, it's the same as saying chinese forced europeans to "misalign their yin and yang energies", it means nothing
>>2192270wokes inherit all their morality from christianity without even realizing it
>>2192281And? Christians inherit all their morality from Jews. Jews inherit all their morality from Zoroastrians. We can do this shit all day.
>>2192280consent is strictly christian idea, dont tie no muzzies or jews in to it
>>2192280Trvth nvke libtards don’t want you to know. They like to pretend like natives were the same as Europeans just brown and nicer. Their brains were and are completely alien to white peoples.
pedophile trannies have no morality
>>2192280well if it doesn't exist, why did she not want to have sex with him? why did she scratch him?
>>2192282Zoroasties really think they are important
>>2192289Cry more, Moshe.Good vs evil, afterlife, and belief in a savior all come from Zoroastrianism.
>>2192288She probably had literally no idea what he was doing. I don't know about the specific sex practices of the Taino but presumably they did it at a specific time and place, once she understood he just wanted to have sex and that he wasn't attacking her she was fine with it.
pagan child sexualizer above tries to into comparitive mythology but can't understand they/their own gods
so anyway i've been trying to watch this eggman and he certainly knows somethingbut he is unable to explain it in a way that the viewer would understandhe speaks like a techer, a shitty one, just an hour long monologue with himself where you loose the track many times over because you have no idea of what he is talking about in places and he doesnt explain.
>>2192301i like the gypsy-man more out of all the shills ive seen so far
>>2192301if you've read the tinto talks it flows like wine desulittle subjectivity, little repetition of the barebonesI used his creator code, on balance his videos gave me the most insight
>>2192306The only one I find managable is Taurkus, and even then I don't like him.https://youtu.be/AezSiEx0fmg&t=139
will there be a way to concede to the french and avoid the 100 years war as the anglos i just want to chill on my island
>>2192310YOUR island?
>>2192310Install the day one 1444 mod.
>>2192310If it's anything like Imperator, sure.Just open diplomacy with France, go to Sue for Peace, and offer them shit until they accept.You'll probably have to give up all your continental possesions and maybe give them money / homage or whatever but I'm sure you can do it.Would be super gay and cringe but might make them a really overpowered colonial power idk
>>2192309He’s kind of a faggot and I can’t even say why.>>2192306I like him for some reason even though he is a dirty cheater.
>>2192310>my islandThe Fr*nch will be allied to the scottish so it's not your island unless you kick their shit in
>>2192306>>2192314Hate how he says stupid shit like bloppedy poopen-schplat, feels like I'm watching a video for 5 year olds. God I hate that these enormous fucking cunts are one of the only ways of learning information about the game.
>>2192171I do this and I say this.England is the best nation to play in EU
>>2191580He would have joined the /pol/ arts threads
>>2191580>hitler>an-primhis proudest achievement was reinvigorating german industry
>>2192249Not the ones that exist in your imagination, no.
>>2192325He's mixing up seeth.Vikings/Muslims in Spain are the ones who supposedly taught smelly white people to bathe.
>>2191633Kek
>>2191658>Noughouwhat fucking country is that name from
>>2192310I say some CC say that England has to get something out of its war with France or at least hold on for awhile to extract value from it or its fucked.
>>2192331>I say some CC say
I'm so excited for the release of EUV, I can't wait to take in as many BBCs as I can in my country~ I want every building opening to be filled with a BBC, My entire country needs to be stuffed full of BBC, just the thought of BBCs makes me ecstatic. EU5 is going to be the best game of all time! I'm putting in my pre-order right now and going to download it day one! Other strategy games just won't be able to compete because they don't have BBCs.
look mom I posted it again!
>>2192331Yeah this is historical. Looted French wealth is what kickstarted the industrial revolution, England was a backwater until the HYW raids stole most of the wealth and culture from Europe's medieval imperial core and carried it back to Britain. If England doesn't loot France then they remain poor and irrelevant
>>2192333... is this the kinda audience EU5 is going for?paradoxbros, wtf is this?
>>2192325Nah, Indigenistas in Latin America genuinely believe american natives would have been Wakanda-tier if the Spanish didn't went there.
>>2192336>Yeah this is historical. Looted French wealth is what kickstarted the industrial revolution>something that happened 400 years before the industrial revolution is what started the industrial revolution
Here's your game less than a week before release btw.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahVi7d3NR8&t=6108
>>2192333Based Blessed Checked
>>2192337>is this the kinda audience EU5 is going for?What do you think?
>>2192333How dare you use hentai, the white man's pornography, to make your degenerate leftist cuck humiliation ritual pilpul.
>>2192320That is cringe as fuck but he’s just a likable guy to me, idk maybe it’s his Gypsies scammer charisma fooling me.
>>21923471. hentai is made by yellow people2. half the boards on this website are being spammed with blacked hentai edits at any given moment
>>2192320>God I hate that these enormous fucking cunts are one of the only ways of learning information about the game.You could just play the game when it comes out, or read the 100 dev diaries Paradox releases. I don't know why you would force yourself to consume that type of garbage.
>>2192296>once she understood he just wanted to have sex and that he wasn't attacking her she was fine with itAh yes, he made her understand that he didn't want to attack her by whipping her into submission. Fucking retard.
>>2192350>You could just play the game when it comes out, It's not out yet, that's the point.>or read the 100 dev diaries Paradox releases.I've read them all.
>>2192353I'm not arguing the conquistador wasn't a nigger, just that the native didn't have any concept of rape.The whole notion of "unlawful sex" didn't exist to North American pagans. They had no marriages, they had no infidelity, they had no concept of going to hell for having sex wrong, they had no concept of any of the prerequisites that exist for the concept of "rape" to exist.They had as much concept of rape as animals do.
>>2192349If half of the boards on this website were sucking black dick would you?
>>2192337https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hh9-Gpbins
Is there any chance of a EU5 - Vic2 converter?
>>2192361>tfw you want to save Evropa but you just gooned all your vril out at 3 am
>>2192310Yeah I think you can just abandon your claims but lose a bunch of prestige.
>>2192366if prestige is anything like it is in previous paradox games then that is hardly a downside
>>2192333Why do you like the British Broadcasting Corporation so much?
>>2192349They are only called yellow because a guy writing a classification book got Chinese input. In Asia, white is associated with death. So the Chinese suggested they be called yellow since it is associated with wealth and royalty. Europeans throughout the Early Modern period and before simply thought of Asians as the easterners with slightly weird proportions.
>>2192332Oh no. I missed one letter on a 4channel post. I will never recover from thsi.
>>2192373I think prestige is what let's Yuan technically be able to colonize Europe at the beginning...
>>2192376damn every part of this post is wrong
>>2192376Nah, East Asians be looking yelowish as fuck. If not yellow, they look brownish, which I don't think they want to be called like that.
>>2192381Seethe chinaman
>>2192379I read it in foghorn leghorn's voice.
>>2192381we had someone in this thread posting earlier that the industrial revolution started because england pilfered france in the hyw, and another person posting that native americans and animals have no concept of rape or sexual consent. i don't think actual history is any of these anon's strong points, nor are they fully in touch with reality.
>>2192380How does colonizing land already owned by a tag work?
>>2192382The yellow is because they have thicker fat (Asians are adapted to cold weather). We look pinkish because of muscle. They look more yellow because of fat. Browns are brown for the reason browns everywhere are brown.
>>2192385>animals have no concept of rape or sexual consentExplain what part of this is wrong.
>>2192387>Browns are brown for the reason browns everywhere are brownYeah, for the excess of sun light, which is shy SEA peoples are browner than chinks, koreans and nips.
>>2192387This is the most anatomically retarded post I've ever seen.Anorexic Chinks should be white according to you.
>>2192386I assume the colony just slowly takes land away from them. Probably also giving events and shit to represent resistance and allow them to go to war with you. I assume this will partially be used on Aztecs and Incans primarily. I assume if you try to colonize anything with a decent power it will be a lot more challenging.
>>2192357>The whole notion of "unlawful sex" didn't exist to North American pagans. They had no marriages, they had no infidelity, they had no concept of going to hell for having sex wrong,Rape is still rape regardless of it being lawful or not. The native woman didn't want to have sex with the conquistador and he forced her to anyways, that's rape.
>>2192391>what are kpop idols
>>2192394>The native woman didn't want to have sex with the conquistadorConjecture.
>>2192393Doesn't make any sense. All land taken from a state should have to happen through war.
>>2191133>there are videos of the locals moving 100 ton rocks with their handsPost one.
>>2192388Several animals have specifically evolved for non-consensual reproductive strategies because their potential mates refuse to willingly copulate. Ducks have corkscrew-shaped penises for this reason, same reason why cats have barbs and dogs have knots, so the female can't as easily pull away from the dick during copulation. If animals just let rape happen because they didn't have a concept of rape or consent then there would be no reason for this.Also plenty of animals have actual mating rituals, which is like elementary school knowledge that you somehow missed out on. Again, if animals didn't care for consent there would be no reason for birds to do weird dances or have flamboyant feather patterns to make a female bird willingly mate with them.
>>2192391I searched and it isn't completely accurate. But you've really not seen enough Asian skin. In most, they just look really pale. Some even have a slight "white" pinkness to them. Skin has variety. Just like how not every Caucasian looks pink and not every person tans orange. A starved chink would be pale like a ghost.
>>2192397Nah, the only requirement to take land off injuns should be to give them a few pieces of gold, a couple guns, and a bottle of fire water.
>>2192402>But you've really not seen enough Asian skin. In most, they just look really palenigger have you seen any asian people?is your only frame of reference for asians idols and cosplayers?
>>2192402>Just like how not every Caucasian looks pink and not every person tans orangeA lot of east yuros look very brown, for some reason
>>2192407Here is a picture I found of a starving Chinese man (he lived btw). He is filthy, but also isn't that yellow in the clean places.
>>2192400It's not that they refuse to willingly copulate, they've evolved to constantly be in a state of vigilance, which they can't be in if they're throwing it back. At no point do any of these animals have any emotional or mental reprecussions from these acts. The same is true of Humans without a cultural context of rape, which the native Americans didn't have.Not to go full Marxist on this, but most concepts of rape stem from wanting to preserve wealth/status within a family. For example, the Chinese also independently came up with the concept of rape, because if you didn't know whether or not your son was legitimate it could fuck with his inheritance. You'll find most pre-tribal hunter-gatherers don't have any concept of rape, places like Papau New Guinea, Australia, and native-America, where as basically everywhere which had some sort of inheritance of wealth/status made it up.
>>2192336???this has to be bait
>>2192400>and dogs have knotsAbsolutely not the case. This only helps after copulation has finished and works to ensure fertilization and prevent another male from inseminating the female.
>>2192419What do people mean when they say dogs have knots? Is it the weird way they have a sort of sheath of skin around their penis?
Europa Universalis V?
>>2192421We become a bit more Scandinavian when we enter the EU5 thread
>>2192363probably easier to just mod vic 2 into EU5
Just watched the EU5 pre release stream and this game is cooked.Enjoy playing against AI that won't do anything and where half the stuff is bugged.
>>2192420Seriously? You've never seen a dog's dick? It looks like this. The bottom bit isn't balls, that's actually part of the penis itself. It inflates for ejaculation and allows the penis to be locked in place by the anatomy of the canine vagina which grabs onto it. Afterwards the two dogs will sit there back to back waiting for it to deflate. It's like the dogs are tied together, thus the name of a knot.
>>2192421Never heard of it
>>2192425I've lived around dogs all my life. But their penises tend to just look like tubes close to their bodies. This has revealed a rabbit hole though for me. Very strange.
>>2192065>Steam wouldn't let developers cheat them out of salesactually valve is completely chill with developers generating keys for their game and selling them on their own website for a 0% steam tax because they know that most gamers will buy it through steam anywaythe thing that pisses valve off and makes them ban a game is when a developer sells a steam key on their own website for a significantly lower price than it sells for on steam because that actually incentivizes players to buy the game off of steam
The fact that people would rather discuss dog dicks and whether or not Asian people are actually yellow tells me all I need to know about the quality of EU5.
reminds me of the good old days on /vg/
>>2192424>>2192435Do let the door hit you on the way out.
>>2192435That the simulation is so deep it covers the evolutionary differences between the races of humans and models the reproductive systems of man's best friend?
>>2192441Beautiful, we truly live in more enlightened times
>>2192396Do you think she thought back and then had to be forced into submission via whipping because she wanted to have sex?
>>2192435>>2192441>>2192443You joke but I am impressed about how you could impregnate a cutie from the other side of the world, from a totally different ethnic and culture, both isolated from millions of years, while other animal subspecies become infertile with just a few hundred of kilometers and in a shorter time. Our reproductive organs are way more versatile than we think.
>>2192452I think she panicked when she saw a man coming towards her in a strange environment whose language she didn't speak. She might have thought she was finally going to be killed, she was a hostage at that point.If anything she was probably relieved and receptive when she realized they were just going to have sex, which to her people was seen as a joyous and comforting part of life, not something she would burn in fiery hell for all eternity because of.
>>2192454>from a totally different ethnic and culture, both isolated from millions of yearsretard
>>2192454>both isolated from millions of yearsNigger what, brush up on your evolutionary history
>>2192454>both isolated from millions of yearsthe oldest estimates for native americans puts them at crossing the bering strait around 23,000 years ago.at lot more recent than people think, sumeria was around 7000 years ago and the neolithic revolution was no more than 12,000 years ago.
>>2192458>I thinkYou sure have an active imagination
>>2192458Again, if it was just a matter of convincing her he didn't want to kill her then he wouldn't have had to beat her into submission.>If anything she was probably relieved and receptive when she realized they were just going to have sex, which to her people was seen as a joyous and comforting part of life, not something she would burn in fiery hell for all eternity because of.In my culture eating food is seen as a joyous and comforting part of life. I still wouldn't want someone to forcibly shovel food into my mouth without my consent.
>>2192463>do you think>i thinkI get conversations are hard for autists but 2 year olds could master this exchange.
>>2192459>>2192460Hey, sorry, I am not a clever man.
>>2192464Again, I'm not arguing the conquistador was innocent in this.What the conquistador was doing WAS rape. Because he had the concept of rape in his culture.But she wasn't being raped, because she has no concept of rape.If you play chess with a pigeon YOU are playing chess. The pigeon is strutting around and pecking the pieces.
seems like some schizos got lost on their way to /his/
go ahead and quote a single native american book that details their concept of rapeoh thats right
>>2192467>But she wasn't being raped, because she has no concept of rape.She had no concept of rape as a specific kind of legally punishable offence. She still obviously had a concept of "sex I don't want", which again is why the conquistador had to beat her into submission.
>equivalating another human being with a pigeonReal chudcel hours.
>>2192467True, it was rape, but people somehow think only native women got that treatment, when in reality they did the same shit to their white wives back in their homelands. They only replicated the crap they did back in Europe.
>>2192476>people somehow think only native women got that treatmentI don't think anyone thinks that
It's silly but I just watched the prerelease stream and the 2D paper map setting looks so good. I've tried so many map and graphical mods for every Paradox game since EU3 and I can never get it to look good enough, now I'm finally free.
>>2192472Non-consensual sex didn't exist as a concept. How many instances can you name of people ramming food down your throat without your consent? It doesn't happen. Sure, people can invite you to meals you feel obliged to go to but that's just you begrudgingly acquiescing. That is how sex was like for native Americans. The problem with this conversation is you really can't put yourself outside of the framework you exist within, your culture. You, by default, view sex as inherently linked to power. Why? Food isn't inherently linked to power. Until you can understand a culture so far removed from your own as to be unrecognizable there's no point continuing this conversation. You will still keep putting post-civilized sexual norms onto a society which didn't have them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASIOhfk_cuQ
Do we have a list anywhere of which CC is playing which country? I just know some German is doing England and Playmaker is doing Milan
>>2192493>Non-consensual sex didn't exist as a conceptThen why did she not consent to sex with the conquistador?>How many instances can you name of people ramming food down your throat without your consent?Irrelevant. It's never happened to me, it would still be assault if it did.
>>2192493Consent is a gay concept
>>2192503How would you feel if a man forcibly fucked your ass?
>>2192504>Random homosexuality out of nowhere What point does this prove anon?
>>2192500>Then why did she not consent to sex with the conquistador?She was taken hostage, they didn't speak a common language, she had no idea what he was planning to do. Because she's scared of people who kidnapped her does not mean she had a concept of rape or didn't consent to sex.>Irrelevant. It's never happened to me, it would still be assault if it did.That's exactly the point, people being kidnapped and then being force-fed food doesn't exist. Rape as a concept comes from religion and maintaining wealth/status in society. The reason there's no such association with being force-fed food is because that can't invalidate your inheritance.
>>2192505You were the one who called consent "gay", so I'm just curious to know if you still think consent would be gay if you were gay raped.
>>2192507That is unnatural. Men shouldn't have sex. If some guy tried to ejaculate into my ass, he'd be a fool. There is no womb in there.
>>2192508but you wouldn't be bothered by it, otherwise?
>>2192377>Hentai is made by Asians for the enjoyment of the White Man.Source schizo?
>>2192509I would let him do so to completion, for a period of 9 months, after which it would be apparent to him I could not become pregnant through anal sex.
Will Eu5 simulate gay marriage or have homosexual rulers?
>>2192452all brown and Asian women dream and fantasize about white men doing that to them so that doesn’t even count as le bad. Just admit ur a typical brown boy with a blacked fetish who is upset that reality doesn’t align with it and that most women of the world desire and have received BWC historically and currently
>>2192509I'd be mildly upset yes. Because I'm not a homosexual. It is much better than having my jaw stomped, spine broken, teeth knocked out, etc. though. So I'd be thankful that something relatively harmless was done to me.
>>2192512I hope so because I'm gay
>>2192512I'm trying to think of all the funny offensive things you could do with this.
i hope someone makes a fallout mod
>>2192517Is it really offensive to Reinact historical events like when Turks did a bunch of gay rape and when MAPhommed PBUH got ZUTTED? I’m just a Muslim who wants to live our true history.
>>2192500>Then why did she not consent to sex with the conquistador?This is something we're able to identify was the case retroactively, but that does not mean they had a distinct concept of it.
>>2192506>She was taken hostage, they didn't speak a common language, she had no idea what he was planning to do. Because she's scared of people who kidnapped her does not mean she had a concept of rape or didn't consent to sex.For the hundredth time, if this was true it wouldn't have taken a beating to convince her. She clearly did not want to have sex with him and he forced her to anyways, that is rape. Whether or not her society had the concept of rape as a social taboo is completely irrelevant.
>>2192524You don't need to have a concept of rape in a social or legal context to have a concept of consent. Fucking everyone understands "do I want this thing or do I not want this thing". She obviously did not want to have sex with the man.
>>2192510Me, a White Man. The White Man is at liberty to dictate the purpose of all else.
>>2192533About time we exercised that privilege we've been told we have
>>2191999The capacity of modern countries to exert control is far different from fucking conquistadors, moronEU4 also already models this with wasteland provinces
If native Americans had any concept of sexual violence then why do the Aztecs, one of the most conventionally violent peoples in the history of Earth (skinning people alive and wearing it, etc) have NO concept of sexual violence?Those fuckers recorded literally everything they did in fucking picture books, it was a mark of honor to them to inflict as much misery and torture as possible, as that's what they deemed Huitzilopochtli to want.Yet they have NO records of any sexual violence.It simply didn't exist in pre-Columbian America and no amount of moralfagging will change that.
>>2192527You're getting into tree falling in the woods tier philosophical arguments here.The question is, did that native girl feel she had been raped by the conquistador? The answer is no.
>>2192568>Aztecs never got the idea to rape anybody>Only the white man is evil enough to get the idea to rapeI am joining the war on the white race.
>>2192570She didn't have words for it and her culture didn't have a taboo of rape. That doesn't mean she still didn't feel violated by the man forcing himself upon her against her will, which is rape.
>>2192574>That doesn't mean she still didn't feel violated by the man forcing himself upon her against her willAgain, this concept you're giving her, it didn't exist to them.This is the same as a muslim saying everytime you eat pork you feel unclean, because it's haram even if you don't have a concept of it being haram.I know you're struggling to understand this but they literally did not have a concept of a negative sexual encounter. All these things you're describing, violation, fear, anger, frustration, they all come from our society's notion of what rape is.
>>2192579>I know you're struggling to understand this but they literally did not have a concept of a negative sexual encounter.Source?
>>2192581>prove a negativeBurden of proof is on the person claiming something.A concept existing is not the default.The proof of rape having a taboo against it in the West is all our societies having laws against it, our religions forbidding it, the majority of our people reacting negatively to it. None of that existed in pre-columbian America.
>>2192584Surely you can provide some source talking about this, then. Since you seem so dedicated to asserting this negative, you must have some kind of source to back it up?
>>2192591Can you not read?There being no concept of rape is the default. You're projecting your societal values on a society that didn't have them.Let me guess, you also think natives took Sundays off work?
>>2192593You are making a claim. By your own admission, you must provide proof. You have no proof, so you are either stupid or baiting.
>>2192594You are making the claim. My position is the default.
>>2192595I have claimed nothing. You have claimed, repeatedly, that no one outside the Abrahamospehere had a concept of rape. If you claim that there is nothing inside a box, you cannot cry foul when I ask you to open the box and show me. Are you stupid or baiting?
which slobtuber should I support with my premium gold tier pre-order?
>>2192597spirit of the law
>>2192596>no one outside the AbrahamospehereIncorrect, I said Chinks and other cultures independently came up with the concept of rape. >>2192417>If you claim that there is nothing inside a box, you cannot cry foul when I ask you to open the box and show meNothing being in the box is the default. If you think there are things in the box you have to provide reasons for it, of which there are none.
>>2192600But you are asserting repeatedly that there is nothing in the box. Open the box. Prove there is nothing in the box. It must be so easy if there really isn't anything in there. Are you stupid or are you baiting?
>>2192604The box is open, it's up to you to fill it with proof.
>>2192605I'm not the one trying to prove anything. You're the one who wants me to believe it's empty. Show me the open box. Surely you can provide one (1) single source that backs up your claim. That's the kind of thing historians love talking about. Are you stupid or are you baiting?
>>2192606>I'm not the one trying to prove anythingGood, then it defaults to them having no concept of rape. Unless of course you want to claim otherwise?
>>2192607Are you stupid or are you baiting?
>>2192608Are you claiming or defaulting?
Will Eu5 have rape mechanics?Will it simulate rape among pops?Will new world nations not have access to rape mechanics since they supposedly had no concept of rape?
>>2192609My claim is only this: The nature of your argument is rendered inherently untrustworthy by virtue of the website you are posting it on. Anything a 4channer says that I cannot independently verify is inherently untrustworthy. You are repeatedly making a claim and refusing to provide evidence to support it. I can't say whether or not natives had a concept of rape before we introduced it to them, but I can say one thing for sure.You're stupid or you're baiting.
>>2192308Same, he really is /ourguy/
>>2192579>I know you're struggling to understand this but they literally did not have a concept of a negative sexual encounter.Once again, if this was actually true then she wouldn't have resisted.>but she thought he was going to kill herthen beating her into submission wouldn't have fucking worked.Her culture did not have a concept of rape as a social force. She still fucking understood "I don't want to have sex with this man" because she was a human being capable of having thoughts and feelings and the conquistador violently forced her to have sex with him anyways.
>>2192617These are some good points, actually. I'd still like to see a source one way or the other, but this is convincing.
>>2192571Good luck, many have tried and all ended up colonized and or enslaved by our BWC’s.
>>2192620I will use the power of my own BWC. This surely won't result in some kind of cold war style power struggle where both sides seek to control greater and greater numbers of bigger and bigger white cocks.
>>2192619Let me put it this way. Imagine a society that has no knowledge of slavery. If I abducted someone from this society and forced them to labour for me under the threat of violence, would they be unable to comprehend how I have wronged them? Fucking obviously they would. Sexual violence is no different.
>>2191955>do you want a photograph of the tsar shitting on a st george's cross or something?Now there's an image.
>>2192350Reading is for faggots all my hommies hate reading
>>2192529Who cares what she thinks tho? Only christians were cucked enough to say that men and women are equal before god
>>2192681>native americans had no rape and people just had sex freely and openly without stigma>but also only christians think women deserve rights and that rape is bad
>>2192512>fag rulers?Certainly, often without any evidence except the peopaganda by their enemies like in ck3>marriege Probably not since they would also need to add grooming ie adoption like in ck3
>>2192512>homosexual rulersKind of irrelevant when talking about royalty because several kings were fags (even flamboyant ones) yet still had wives and children for the sake of the kingdom.
Soooooo, how are we feeling about the game, /vst/?It obviously won't be a refined masterpiece without bugs at launch, and I'm not familiar with the mechanics imported from other games like characters and pops, but I'm confident I'll have plenty of fun as an avid EU4 player.
>>2192683Native and any other human on earth viewed women as property of men, when you rape her you are hurting her husband, or her father, from the biological point of view of conceiving an unwanted child and physically damaging the woman to the cultural one of disrespecting them by breaking the traditional orderSo they did view it as a bad thing, im not the other anon who says everyone but europeans are docile animals like sheep
>>2192688Marxist propaganda where india is automatically a superpower because it has a high popCant wait to play it anyway
>>2192687There were also many who didn't though, like Frederick.
>>2192688I'm expecting ~67% positive steam reviews and only a few major content creators making videos lambasting the game for AI/performance/crashing/bug/netcode/balance issues, while most of them praise it.So compared to their other recent game launches, it will be a resounding success.They'll fix a lot of the day one issues in the coming months and the game will be "good" then for a few months until they release some shitty update + DLC combo that fucks with a lot of shit which then leads to review bombing and YouTube drama that kills the initial hype.
>>2192692It's Islamic India though, Hindus hate that
>>2192364I look like this and my room looks like this
>>2192694Which isn't relevant to any serious discussion on homosexual rulers.
>>2192349>half the boards on this website are being spammed with blacked hentai edits at any given momentall porn boards should be deleted
>>2192695>They'll fix a lot of the day one issues in the coming months and the game will be "good" then for a few months until they release some shitty update + DLC combo that fucks with a lot of shit which then leads to review bombing and YouTube drama that kills the initial hype.Here.Modern Paradox is CA's twin brother theses days.
>>2192698Ok? i think marxists at paradox probably dont give much shit since its purely materialistic worldview
>>2192702>porn boards
>>2191088>Comfy reddit dadgamers are going to hate thisGood. They deserve it for bankrolling paradox's DLC policy for the last decade
Can't wait for the game to release and playing it on my own without ever having to interact with the community, aside from 4chan, ever again.
>>2192709But anon how will you learn about every major DLC one month in advance if you don't watch the pre release e-celeb streams?
>>2192709there are no other communitiessteam forums are deadand discord spends time on unsubstantial yapping as alwaysreddit probably circle jerks about a funny goose or whatever
>>2192713>steam forums are deadThey're also full of third worlders
>>21926888/10 hypedLooks like the most fun Paracocks game in years desu
>>2192715i wouldnt call this "full"it did have a mild increase in posts after the yesterdays stream but still dead overall
>>2192717paradox have a long haul in front of them if they want to get profit from this game, i think
>>2192717>Ukrainian and Valencian languagesThat's two third worlders right there!!
>>2192719anon, dont tell anyone, but there might be "third worlders" on this very board right now, be wary.
>>2192301Your English techer must have been pretty shitty.
I don't care, I will put the whole world under the Pope's thumb and nobody can't stop me.
>>2192387Play a record
>>2192719>Ukrainian and Valencian languagesAlso, those are meme languages
>>2192461>>2192460>>2192459The point is they were isolated for all of recorded history. Stop being a hair splitting faggot.
>>2192725All of recorded history is absolutely nothing in terms of speciation especially for humans who have longer generations than basically any other animal.
>>2191034>>2192088so they can probably even discover america from the start but the question of if they can economically afford the process of colonization is still an open onefrom their diary about portugal it seems like colonizing anything is very expensive and a long process, if shithole nations dont have some sort of a speed bonus that the player can access its going to be rough. I also wonder if you can grow your pops out of the primitives that are already living on these tiles, you should be able to right?
>>2192731Conquest would deplete you and colonization would only grant you tribesmen after reaching 36% of the total. Not seeing it being easy or fast. And you have no economy.
>>2192482You would be surprised
>>2192734in their other games conquering your fellow shithole neighbors as a shithole nation is not that expensive and you usually dont have anything else to do anyway
>>2192742Yes but now you will lose pops doing it and how will you maintain control as ungabunga across the Pacific?
>>2192743surely the benefits must outweigh the cost right, right?
>>2192744War is bad.
>>2192731there is what appears to be a big group of people on this island all same culture, so if you can recognize that culture that should make the process of colonization much faster, since you dont necessary need your particular culture to be the dominant one >>2192128
>>2192746i wonder if it wont make that process instant in fact
>>2192748Hey now, they could have their own queer little pagan club. So the culture wouldn't work alone.
the map of starting population (ie map of superpowers since that is how the system works)was southern indonesia always over-populated? i didnt know that
>>2192753How the fuck is Rwanda or whatever that is on par with India and China?
>>2192756Paul Kagame invented time travel.
>>2192756I think green means near population capacity, it's not about absolute numbers.
>>2191263Don't get why they did that desuI don't like CK3 but I can usually squeeze in a fun campaign or two of after a major DLC drops, but there's no way I'm even bothering to download it again with less than a week to go before the main course.
>>2192753how can threre be overpopulation without organization exactly? all hunter gatherers were family groups of 30-50 people, rarely they got united in to multiple familiesbut no primitive group ever reached many thousands without a hierarchical organization
>>2192769>how can there be overpopulation without organization exactly?Anon, that happens in nature all the time. Animals keep reproducing, food runs out and diseases run rampant. And tribal shits have no infra to support them so they're the same as animals.
>>2192769It's just tinto making up the pop numbers and the location design separately and not cross checking them, I would guess>>2192753>boot up game>thousands of Africans and Indians start dying immediately due to overpopulation
>>2192770great statementexcept humans are not herbivores, they cannot graze on the plains, they need quite a lot of meat to survive without agriculture, their numbers were always dictated by the available resources, everywhere
>>2192771my guess is that its a future dlc material
>>2192772>humans are not herbivores, they cannot graze on the plains, they need quite a lot of meat to survive without agricultureJust eat bark. It's what the Chinese do.
>>2192753This is how close to the pop cap a location is, like the highest pop cap without development is like 200k per location(and this only if its a farmland in the mediterranean) while many chinese locations have 1mil pops at the start without being at the cap
>>2192725>almost 2 orders of magnitude is 'hair splitting'Only astrophysicists get to make that claim and there's a reason everyone gives them weird looks
>>2192746This is fiji, from looking at the population mapmode they are near the cap meaning theres like 300k people on those islands, if you play as samoa/tonga i think the strat will be to culture shift to fijian if culture conversion isnt fast enough. Since accepting culture cost scales with the relative size of your culture to the one you want to accept
>>2192807being multicultural seems like a good way of increasing your pops in this game, the only other except conquest it seems, since the natural growth is negligiblewhat worries me is that in eu4 accepting a different culture is locked behind a lvl 8 diplo iirc, and most shitholes start with lvl 2
>>2192812>what worries me is that in eu4 accepting a different culture is locked behind a lvl 8 diplo iircIt's not. You start with 2 base accepted culture slots in both EU4 and EU5. In the latter the cost of acceptance is variable.
>>2192812Yeah but tonga and samoa start with like 30k pops each, i assume accepting fijian will be too expensive with the starting culture capacity, i don't think they are in the same culture group even assuming they have polynesian and melanesian as different culture groups
>>2192824from a couple months ago
>>2192817>>2192824not quite i assume every stating nation in eu5 is at least a duchy?
>>2192834No some start as counties, tho i think Tonga should probably be kingdom rank if they gave trebizond empire rank
>>2192834you only need 2,5% of them to accept them, it would make some sense if all oceanians were multicultural with eachotheralso being a small nation really helps for multiculturism, each new population group can change the numbers dramatically
imagine being an empire in this gamejust the sheer volume of shit you need to manage
>>2192836the strategy for colonization of new lands as a small nation should probably be to first pick a province with the smallest number of pops, accept them, and then move to the bigger pop ones. Killing them is never beneficial for you.
>>2192832that is rough, i wonder if you can accept anyone at all at the start>most nations start with the Cultural Acceptance advance in the age of traditions granting +1 cultural capacity>most nations
>>2192842Hawaii is the best start for a polynesia campaign imo, i don't know what population numbers paradox gave them but it should be around 200k and you start with lumber and fiber crops so you can get some actual production going
Guys I'm starting to wonder if my brainlet self will be able to handle this game..
>>2192845did you just notice itthere is a lot of automation as they sayyou can just do wars manually
>>2192845I believe in you anon, if so many mouth breathing youtubers can handle it you can too.
>>2192722I’m gonna play as an irrelevant city state in the Marche and stick my Samnite cock up the P*pe’s ass
>>2192844hawaii to north americawonder if you gonna get the plague after
literally no empires in americas? thats cool
>>2192857Neither of the empires has been born yet.
>>2192852>spend 300 whole years carefully raising your population and setting up your production>a random european faggot comes around, sneezes once, and 90% of your population die on the spot
>>2192852>>2192870The mentioned polynesians aren't affected by the great pestilence, tho you can still get other diseases including the black death but only from the later breakouts
>>2192870im afraid to even start in americas because of that
>>2192873On the other hand that means that they can spread it in the Americas if they end up there, no? I wonder if there'd be any way to use this.
>>2192870I bet there’s a way to minimize it, no? Can’t Euros diminish the effects of the Black Death with tech or buildings? Maybe you can rush techs or advancements that give disease resistance. You’ll still get fucked but maybe 50% of your pops survive.
Are they still going to publish the planned tutorial videos or did they get canned?
>>2192837*automates your menu*
>>2192877Iirc everything that could help is locked behind tech, maybe if you manage to embrace some institution mid plague and build a hospital but otherwise no
>>2192886They'll release them, I think it's today
>>2192900I expect these situations to arrive in a free update in a few months. Sort of like how EU4 free updates started to add to Korea for whatever reason.
^ lol
>>2192905>free
>>2192497Do we have a list anywhere of which CC is playing which country?We do nowhttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/full-list-of-content-creator-videos-coming-out-tomorrow-october-31st.1865317/
>>2192915China and Korea were made playable in EU4 free updates. It isn't too strange to think simple situations for the formation of historical nations will also be free as it kind of feels more mechanical anyway. What will be paid for is the flavor (which will be important for simulating anything other than globally key historical events). Something like the partition of Poland may be a dlc situation.
Tomorrow marks an exciting day! A selection of over 60 content creators from around the world will be releasing videos and hosting livestreams showcasing Europa Universalis V! Below, you’ll find a comprehensive list organized by language, content creator, nation played, and a link to their channel.All videos will premiere on October 31st at 18:00 CET, with the exception of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean content, which will go live at 18:00 their local time.Live streams will be listed at the end of this post (including their start time) for those who want to experience EU5 in real time.English Videos:The Spiffing Brit: Hanseatic LeagueiSorrowproductions: OttomansStakuyi: Papal StatesAlex the Rambler: EnglandBokoen: DenmarkFeedbackGaming: EnglandLaith: ByzantiumAlazaboHD: HollandTheRedHawk: ByzantiumThatGuyFromCollege: FranceZlewikkTV: OttomansOne Proud Bavarian: Teutonic OrderAbsolute Habibi: PortugalLemoncake: FranceQuarbit: ScotlandChewbert: HollandGeneralist Gaming: VeniceThePlaymaker: MilanLord Lambert: NavarreTheStudent: IcelandLookas et bella: CastileGolem: LithuaniaCool Bonobo: NovgorodAndy's Paradox: NorwayChinese Videos:一拳人OPM: Ottomans该账号己被封禁 The Account has been Banned: Korea老叶子XD Old Leaves: HollandRookie丶青果: Ming资深小狐狸 Senior Fox: Ming菠萝柚王子 Prince of Pineapple: Ming太浪有风险 too much risk: Ming晓月春日 Spring Day: Castile润州镜 Runzhou Mirror: Castile艾亚沃克奥 aiawoke: Ottomans瘦扁扁 Thin and flat: Brandenburg鉴士Sworder: Byzantium黒水丶black water: EnglandFrench Videos:Ssouda: CastileRazor: FranceSarge le chef: FranceBatbaileys: Venice
>>219287750% of your pops do surviveits not an extinction event
>>2192936German Videos:Steinwallen: ScotlandUniversalStudent: Hanseatic LeagueKrabbe: BrandenburgJapanese Videos:ぽりぽり poripori: JapanConta: Austriaもんどすとらの tamago manju: VeniceYuranko: TimuridsKorean Video:히 상병 berserker: Goryeo (Korea)Turkish Videos:Art of War: OttomansMaxMarine: OttomansRussian Videos:Arstotsky: PortugalSkol_The_Game: MoscowPapa Kwazi: NovgorodSpanish Videos:Traxium: AragonJava820: CastilePolish Videos:Lookashowtowipe: CastileLutel: PolandPortuguese Video:Flanela: PortugalItalian Video:Andrew Channel: MilanEnglish Live Streams:Florryworry: Florence - Start time 12:00 CETCringer: Naples - Start time 13:00 CETLady Saffron: Portugal - Start time 17:00 CETQuill18: Free City of StrasbourgPoiuymew: Hungary - Start time 20:00 CETClio Aite: Venice - Start time 12:00 AETKorean Live Stream:Munnik: Goryeo (Korea) - Start time 18:00KSTGerman Live Streams:StrategieEcke: Bohemia - Start time 16:00 CETMoerp: Castile - Start time 16:00 CETGaius: Byzantium - Start time 16:00 CETKaresak: England - Start time 16:00 CET
>>2192936of course the snake would be playing Denmark
>>2192936>the gypsy got cuckedlol
>>2192938>Quill18Damn he's still around? I think he was doing paradox youtuber stuff for the EU4 release already>Free City of StrasbourgBased?
>>2192715So is 4cuck.
>>2192936Based prussiaboo chink
What will be your first play through country anon?
>>2192969Grossbohemium
>>2192969Probably Naples as tutorial island
>>2192974>Naples>island??????????
>game only becomes playable as railroading is sold to you, piecemeal, and at a premium
reminder that the giga-aids do-it-for-free banned me with a false flag post for 30 days because the people who once made /gsg/ cool have become gutless, soulless consumer bees for paradox slop
watch below for gatekeeping posts and very intentional diversion. /gsg/ still belongs to thane
>>2192969BoerHopefully they exist as a culture in-game
>>2192969France probably>>2192979>/gsg/>cool>everLol, lmao even. In the GG days they were already fags.
I think it's quite crazy that they couldn't find a middle ground between complete and unbalanced railroading (mission trees and their consequences have been a disaster for the EU franchise) and ahistorical anarchist sandboxing where every nation can be equally strong and skilled as the others.
>>2192568Categorically rejecting the existence of a concept in two entire continents based on the supposed worldview of a single culture sounds like pure retardation.
Man the people who think this game will be good are in for such a good disappointment. A good strategy game hasn't existed since EU2, maybe EU3 at a stretch. Paradox just makes shitty Sims simulators now. No strategy. They are literally just remaking CK3 in this game with the shitty 3d models and character interactions.
>>2192977>You cant play your alternative history econ and demographic simulator without le epic GROẞPREUSEN appearing
>>2192996based!
>>2192995If I wanted to play a good strategy game I'd be out there grinding competitive chess but I'm too retarded for thatI want historically flavoured number go up with a helping of simulationist mechanics and Paracocks delivers, I don't think I'll be dissapointed next week
>>2192995I hear this about everything all the time nowadays. I never become disappointed. The internet is unrealistically pessimistic.
>>2192977Since we're redditposting, have some more redditor-johan exchanges <Johan. From the sounds of things I think that a small tweak might help things and be historic and fit current models. Rulers with bad dip skills should drastically reduce diplo capacity, which should isolate them, and allow them to lose. Good rulers can build much bigger networks.>that is a good suggestion. will tweak that for 1.0.1<My opinion about historical outcomes like a strong Spain, Russia, Ottomans, Prussia and Netherlands forming etc: it is extremely important that these are viable outcomes in the game, and they happen about 40-60% of the time. If that's impossible to achieve organically, then I am in favor of slight railroading.>A big strong anatolian beylik is important, and so is a united Russia.>An emerging united netherlands is important, maybe a north german state, but why should it be Prussia 50%?>Unified Spain or a Strong enough Castille is not a huge difference.
the chinks got today's tutorial video firsthttps://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1DpyYBQEGm/
dead game
>>2193010wtf where do I get a hat like that for my kitty
>>2193007Could we at least have a strong Castille adopt the name of Spain at some point though?
>>2193010no shot this is real
>>2192937Depending on the historian you trust, the damage caused by disease was apocalyptic in the new world. Pic related isn’t my favorite book, but I think the author is respected enough. Disease completely ravaged and depopulated North America well before any settlers landed at plymouth rock. The injuns found in the wake of the disease were basically the survivors of a post-apocalyptic scenario because so many had died. Then when the settlers started interacting with them, it just got worse and worse. The praying Indians basically dropped like flies and the settlers really had no idea why. Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick is another book that describes how bad it was. So many died from disease and then killed by colonists and other natives through war that very few survived. The mass death was so rampant that almost all family stories of Americans having native ancestors are just not true. Very few modern Americans have any native dna or native ancestors. It’s a common myth busted by family genealogists.
>>2192969Tall and colonial Scotland. If it’s too hard then I’ll just switch to Hungary or England to play all the way through for the first time.
>>2193017i was talking about black deathalso would spanish rape children have the immunity?
>>2193027i think its inherited from the mother so probably no
>>2193027>Black Death >Spanish Rape Children EU5 is going to be so cool
>>2193027Oh, I was referring to getting the right advancements as a native and doing better at surviving there. I honestly don’t know about the Spanish-native hybrids. They obviously did much better at surviving since most South Americans are very significantly native in admixture.
>>2193030Afaik it is related to a the ERAP2 gene which is in the 5th chromosome so the inheritance shouldn't be dependent on the parents sex.
>>2193017The difference between EU5 and reality is that in reality, recurring plague death causes intensification of agriculture to get stuck or even go in reverse. This leads to more people employed gathering food and less specialization, less adoption or even abandonment of agriculture technology and a reversion to older lifestyles perceived as more reliable, like relying more on gathering or fishing. Basically the process that creates settled civilizations goes in reverse because surpluses shrink and resources are wasted on people that die.This is why Japan was stagnant for many centuries, they kept getting wrecked by diseases since the 700s and only started growing their population again in the 1200s. The same thing happened in the Mediterranean and China as they exchanged pathogens, but it happened much earlier and so it ended much earlier.In EU5 the pops that matter most are the ones employed in buildings. Most of your pops are not yet employed in buildings, and are just dirt farmers doing "subsistence agriculture". The ones working in buildings that die are promptly replaced by ones that weren't. It's why the black death is underpowered in Europe too. Basically a bunch of useless dirt farmers die, and the useful people that die are replaced by the surviving dirt farmers in short order.It's also why Cahokia will probably be on the map until the end of the game. There's no "just fuck my civilization up" mechanic where a settled tag can dissolve into decentralized communities, i.e. blank space on the map with some native pops. Whether from disease or otherwise
>>2193034i dont actually think the devs will kill 90% of your pops because its literally over at that point, you probably gonna get something similar to the european plague through event choices. There seems to be bad and good options like praying it away or quarantining.
>>2193036ah yes, the BRAP gene, mhm.
>>2193037it is bad in the long run because later when you need those pops you wont have them since their pop growth rate is less than 0,5% per year
>>2193047Indians have it the strongest, and MAN does it smell good
>>2193054Are there techs to make my people fuck more?
>>2193057theoretically medicine should improve child mortality rates but its medieval medicine so
>>2193060No it is, by definition, mostly modern medicine
>>2193045It's not necessarily over even if like 80% of your population dies, at least for the mesoamericans and andeans. Remember it's at least 150 years before the Euros show up in this game. So if you play well and build a strong empire you'll still have millions of pops waiting to staff your manpower buildings and no nearby enemies, while the Europeans can't supply their armies, have to fight each other, and their colonies spend another century being low pop money sinks. Sure you'll eat shit for a while but you chose to play in the Americas so what else were you expecting.
>>2193057I think pop growth modifiers are tiny across the board because they'd be a no-brainer to rush every single time
>>2193062in their russia playthrough the guy said that he could only get institutions through trade with those who have them, otherwise he was researching nothing for 20 years or something. Maybe its over either way if they dont have some bullshit mechanic where you can get tech from development like in eu4.
>>2193073>Maybe its over either way if they dont have some bullshit mechanic where you can get tech from development like in eu4.Let's hope there is nothing like that.
>>2193073I feel like the numbers advantage from conquering all of Mexico or the Andes would outweigh institutions long enough for you to eventually get them and tech up. High tech standing armies can supposedly kill a million levies, but if you have a million and one levies it won't matter.
>>2193078Don't forget that armies also have supplies lines now. So having tons of levies can allow you to out maneuver th eenemy's professional army and cut them off from their food supply. And starving armies don't fight very well.
>>2193086The issue with cutting supply lines is armies steal food straight from provinces, so if the euros siege down one province they can eat from there. Maybe there's a way you can set up forts to bait the AI into getting stuck inland, but your forts would have to hold against European armies with cannons for at least a little while.It also remains to be seen how many of those supply train units the AI builds. It seems like streamers aren't building any because they don't deal damage, but I imagine the AI is probably told to build a decent amount. If the euros have a bunch of food carriers stacked on their army which you can't beat in a straight fight there's not much you can do.
>>2193064>>2193054Pop growth goes to 3.5% I think for low pop provinces. You may only see 0.5% overall but that's because your cities don't have high pop growth and your provinces hit pop limits quickly.
>>2192940Its his brand at this point, better the alternative of keev since he is just as bad as Lambert on that issue
>>2193146It also has to be low overall because of the weird thing where non-accepted pops don't grow, if pop growth was too high you'd get weird imbalances in places with unaccepted pops
love this new cope"nothing is happening because ai is so good at playing the game"
>>2193166Why are you an Indian? Shouldn't you have reincarnated into a higher being by now?
>>2192936Wonderproductions got punished because of the timelapse and Ludi for being negative.
>>2193166It's a weird cope because strong AI and weak AI will perform about the same on the nothing ever happen meter. What you want is unpredictable AI that does yolo plays if you want stuff to happen, not neccessarily weak or strong AI. The paradox AI probably sucks balls at playing the game but most importantly it's just passive and directionless.
can't wait for 1830s golden horde
>>2193173Why are you so smelly?
>>2193173You will be waiting a while, it will happen in the first game you play but to get there on this level of performance... ay caramba!
>>2193166Judging from the timelapses, the only thing the AI sucked at was managing rebellions>noooo the ottomans did not expand because all their potential targets in the balkans banded together in giga-alliancesthe "I want a challenging AI" mfs when the AI actually plays like a player:
>^ lo-AAAAACKKKK!!
>>2193179Challenging AI's doesn't mean that they play like a player. It means that they ally against the player and create big blobs that can match you as your power grows. Players also do not sit there and do nothing if you haven't ever seen one of those 200 players lobbies spoiler: they don't end up with 200 after 300 years of in game time
>>2193177It's weird how we've had live footage of the game running at speed 5 for a long time, on several different machines, and anons are still pretending it has Vic3 like performance
>>2193185Yes, on the live footage the performance has been bad and most of that footage is from early game, with the way the pops and buildings work the performance deteriorates much faster with time than it does in say EU4.
>>2192936>The Spiffing Brit: Hanseatic LeagueFucking retard clickbaiter who just looks for exploits.>iSorrowproductions: OttomansAnnoying nasally whiny faggot who's been doing an impression of this video for a decade. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2ZkO8CclhI>Stakuyi: Papal StatesNever even heard of him, upon inspection he's another clickbaiter who makes videos for 12 year olds.>Alex the Rambler: EnglandAnnoying fucking bore.>Bokoen: DenmarkMP playing retard.>FeedbackGaming: EnglandAnnoying HoI4 pleb, why is he even shilling an EU game?>Laith: ByzantiumNafri twink who does nothing but dickride Paradox for gibs.>AlazaboHD: HollandClickbaiter who puts on a voice that he thinks makes him sound masculine and authoritative but really makes him sound like a power bottom.>TheRedHawk: ByzantiumAnother generic basedfacing clickbaiter.>ThatGuyFromCollege: FranceSomeone who's never played GSG hired to shill it to his retarded fans.>ZlewikkTV: OttomansRetarded memer who can't speak English.>One Proud Bavarian: Teutonic OrderAnnoying, nasally, stupid accent turbo virgin.>Absolute Habibi: Portugalwhiny subhuman>Lemoncake: FranceSomeone who once had integrity but realized sucking Paracox would earn him more money.>Quarbit: ScotlandVtubing pre-troon too self concious to show his disgusting face.>Chewbert: HollandThe most basedfaced person I've ever seen.>Generalist Gaming: VeniceFat autistic loser with literally no social skills.>ThePlaymaker: Milanan enormous cock guzzling faggot.>Lord Lambert: NavarreKhokhol who doesn't even know how to upload a video properly when this is his literal career.>TheStudent: IcelandAnnoying sperg who can't even speak English properly.>Lookas et bella: CastileAnnoying sperg who can't even speak English properly.>Golem: LithuaniaFucking who?>Cool Bonobo: NovgorodFucking who?>Andy's Paradox: NorwayFucking who?Damn, every one of these fucking subhumans is unwatchable.
>>2193190alright ludi time to log off
>>2193190For a jaded /gsg/ chud you sure know your content creator lore, are you literally just hate watching all of them?
What made >>2193190 so mad?
>>2193200All of those are literally him, so now he is malding because he didn't get early access
>>2193190>iSorrowproductions: Ottomans>Annoying nasally whiny faggot who's been doing an impression of this video for a decadehe stopped doing that awhile ago iirc, he himself brought up how he used to make that voice because he was being ironic or w.e.
>>2193190>>Generalist Gaming: Venice>Fat autistic loser with literally no social skills.He's literally me........
>>2193190>muh englishstop being brown
>>2193190>Fat autistic loser with literally no social skills.he's just like me.... gonna subscribe to him now, thanks for the recommendation Anon
>>2192936>the only one playing brandenburg is chinesethe sino-german alliance is real.
>>2193214>the sino-german alliancevgh... if only Falkenhausen wasn't recalled...
>>2193187>Yes, on the live footage the performance has been badno, it's not. You just assooomed it is instead of actually checkinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahVi7d3NR831:34 johan unpauses on the 1st31:36 johan pauses on the 17th31:54 johan unpauses31:58 johan pauses on the 1stSo a month runs in six seconds on speed 5.inb4 >b-but the lategamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqJiGYdOhtItimelapse:0:00 13370:05 1461, 124 years passed0:10 1560, 99 years0:15 1643, 83 years0:20 1720, 77 years0:25 1786, 66 years0:30 1836, 50 yearsSo at the very end ticks take 2.5x as much time to pass compared to the start. That gives us 15 seconds per month, so 3 minutes a year. Meanwhile Vic3 took almost 8 minutes to simulate a year on a PC ABOVE recommended spec, and didn't even have fucking units or goods.https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/victoria-3-performance-benchmark.1587827/So yeah I don't wanna hear>muh performancein MY thread ever again. Or else I assume you're posting from an ipad and can't run the game. You may now proceed to cope below this line -----
>>2193190>only complain is that he can't speak english properly.thestudentbros, we won...
>>2193190>Fat autistic loser with literally no social skills.Yeah he's literally the core demographic for these games, what's your point nigger
>>2193220EU5 is going to be the best game ever and everyone is going to be able to enjoy it.
>>2193227Billions must play
>>2193203Surprised he admitted that. Source?
I've lost gallons to Clio Aite playing Venice
>>2193233I don't remember which video, its been like 2 years now. It was probably in one of his A-Z videos where he brought up how he used to do an annoying voice to make fun of and parody it but eventually it stuck around the more he did.
>>2193208>>2193210>>2193225He's a step beyond. He literally just monotonously reels off information and only stops when a sound in real life annoys him, at which point he just completely disregards the 10 minute long running sentence he was saying before then and never goes back to it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS68S30DND8&t=784
>>2192936Who do I watch to see gameplay, and not some some asshole have his face plastered over half the screen as he wheezes and whines?
>>2193250the chinks or gooks
>>2193235>channel name in japanese>it's an english boy pretending to be a girl
>>2193252I'm not making a billi billi account.
>>2193254irish*
>>2193257Did I stutter?
>>2193220It took 13h of observer mode gaming on speed 5 with a 3000 dollar gaming laptop for that to run on a patch where AI notoriously does nothing. Convert that to victoria 3 times and that's 8 minutes per year... which is exactly what you called garbage in your own post.
>>2193262>gaming laptop>gaming>laptop
>>2193263It's a reasonable beefy machine. Ultimately it doesn't matter for the argument being made.
>>2193262
>>2193262According to a youtuber I'm following, a full 1337-1837 game at lowest graphical settings and with autosaving disabled took 9 hours and half.Ryzen 9 5900X CPU and 3080ti GPU
Seriously, which of the CC are the least insufferable?Generalist is about tolerable.
>>2193287No clue. I only watch the insufferable ones
>>2193286>5900XWhy do streamers always have the shittiest computers
>>2193287that greek /gsg/ guy
>>2193296I said least, not most.
>>2193252I was hoping to read the ui and whatnot.
>>2193286Stronger computer, faster update. The victoria 8 minutes was done on a Radeon RX 580/Intel I7 4770 K.A more comparable RTX 3070 Ti/AMD Ryzen 7 5800X from the same thread only took 4 minutes which is 6 hours equivalent for EU5.
This game looks sick nglI've played CK3 but got bored of it after like 10 hours since it felt shallow. This seems closer to what I expected.
>>2193315EU5 seems shallower than literally every game they've ever made before. They've said as much, that their goal is to nail down the foundation with the launch (so, mechanics) to use it as a vehicle for DLC.
>>2193286This is pretty good if you just want to play a few hours a day and go through a campaign in a week. I swear EU4 took much longer and some games for me with this same playstyle ended up lasting me a month or so.
>>2193316By "shallow" I was referring to the mechanics, not the annoying popups or whatever. It didn't take me long to realize CK3 has no gameplay.
>>2193320You probably actually play the game instead of letting it run on speed 5 + observer mode and afk
>>2193323Don't pay attention to the /gsg/ schizos they are insane
>>2193323No but there's literally nothing there other than the base game mechanics.There's nothing incentivizing Castille ever to take Granada, so they never do. They've said they'll add this sort of stuff with DLC.So if you don't have the DLC basically nothing will ever happen.
>>2193315CK3 is shallow because they fully went for the human RPer audience. Paradox saw how popular royalty sex shows have become and decided to cash in. It is why CK3 doesn't even really fit the medieval era and everything feels much more accurate to the early modern period that these shows tend to actually be set in. They only occasionally throw a bone to their main audience (the biggest one being All Under Heaven so far). The games don't ever remotely have any historical results because of this. I fully expect CK4 to have animated sex in it and to have completely given up on the grander strategy. EU5 is so great because it is the first time we are seeing a truly quality historical game with the new engine and upgrades. The reason Victoria 3 wasn't like this is because they wanted the discord and reddit audience with that one.
>>2193327>noooo don't criticize the multi-million dollar companyrino!
>>2193332>The games don't ever remotely have any historical results because of this.IMHO this is unforgiveable
>>2193334I hate this faggy meme that redditors push so hard on 4chan. Acting like we have to join their weird cult that hates every single company constantly just for being a company.
>>2193330>the game doesn't have any mechanics besides the game mechanics
>>2193330>No but there's literally nothing there other than the base game mechanics.Say what? A game only has its base mechanics? Oh no how could this ever happen?
>>2193337No body is making you criticize paradox, were asking that you don't start crying when other people do.
>>2193338>>2193340It has trade, pops, and markets but no actual content. You're paying for the cone, not the ice cream.
>>2193342you arent criticizing, you are whining and doomposting
>>2193332>They only occasionally throw a bone to their main audience (the biggest one being All Under Heaven so far).How is adding Papau New Guinea to the map throwing a bone to people who want to play a game about Crusader kings?
>>2193343NTA but genuinely what are you talking about?I'm trying so hard to wrap my mind around what you are trying to say but I can't figure out what your criticism is.
>>2193346>anything i disagree with is whining I'll be sure to stick to sychophantically praising the company in future. Feel free to downvote my earlier wrongposts so they dont appear.
>>2193342The world he is looking for is content. Idle games for instance can have tons of mechanics but they are low on content. You just idle and that's 99% of the game most of the time. Just because the game is doing calculations doesn't mean there's stuff to do.>>2193343I think this really will hit lot of people hard when they realize it. Trade pops and buildings are the 3 big things the game has and you are likely to automate them all outside of maybe managing your capital or few cities if you are larping as a small nation. Like imagine trying to custom build buildings for 300 locations or something, no one will bother with that shit.They are mechanics that are on paper the vast majority of the content but at the same time totally unapproachable past first few locations you get so most people turn the automation on and never look back and then it hits them that there's literally nothing to do.
>>2193332ck3 is great i have close to 1488 hours in it, possibly their best game
>>2193334Not beating the schizo allegations tbhdesu
Even if the game only has base mechanics. The systems have shown to be solid enough that they can last quite a while. You won't really feel the need for more until after a couple games of doing all of the interesting things you can. Then the content train will come quickly after. I assume Spain specifically is so early due to its influence during this era. If done good, that should go a good way towards making it even more historical. They also have a bunch of interesting changes planned for the very first free update. Which will probably also grow even more when they start getting mass feedback. This will fix a lot of problems that one may find in the game.
>>2193349Slow on the uptake, huh?Ottomans don't form. Spain doesn't form.Russia doesn't form.Britain doesn't form. This is all going to be sold to you as $30 DLC.
>>2193343So now all of a sudden it does have mechanics but not any content?You know like all the events, situations, disasters and all that shit? Mechanics are content too.Stop shifting your goalpost.Besides Skyrim wasn't shallow because you couldn't go to Solstheim at release, that game had other problems. EU5 not having the content of possibly a dozen DLCs doesn't mean it is barren, it just means you have a very retarded view on DLCs and what they should be.
>>2193356Those are AI tuning issues nigga
>>2193358>now all of a suddenEpic attempt at claiming I'm moving the goalposts when I literally said in my first post it just had the base mechanics but lacked any actual national events.
>>2193356Oh no the game doesn't always play out the same way, what a travesty, billions must die.
>>2193359Then why haven't they tuned them, nigga?
>>2193362It does in fact play out the same way every time, nothing ever happens and nothing ever forms.
>>2193362the game doesn't fuckin play at allnothing happened between 1337 and 1837
>>2193352>They are mechanics that are on paper the vast majority of the content>and then it hits them that there's literally nothing to do.Are you literally retarded? Videogames as a concept are superfluous by your logic lmao. Yes, the game mechanics for Europa Universalis are finite and exist in space and time.
>>2193360>when I literally said in my first post it just had the base mechanicsYes which is bullshit claim because every game only has its base mechanics, that's why they are "base" mechanics.Afterwards you claimed it is about "content" which is a prime example of shifting the goalpost.And it's not like the game doesn't have national events
>>2193355>the game will be good for a couple of playthroughs before you realize how utterly boring it is with nothing happeningYeah, that's the problem.Rather than make a game that's actually engaging for hundreds of hours on it's own they'd rather sell you the boring base and then sell the content to you as DLC.
>>2193363>>2193366>>2193367The game isn't out yet
>>2193369>every game only has its base mechanicsNo they don't, most games have their base mechanics and then flavor and content on top of that.
>>2193368>by your logic lmaoMy logic is that no one will enjoy micro managing trade to try to optimize it, it's just not fun. That's why the devs included the automate button. But at the same time that IS the game, once you automate it then you just sit there at speed 5 waiting for stuff to happen (and stuff will never happen). So yes there's no point in the game. You won't have fun if you automate it and you won't have fun if you don't automate it.
>>2193373
>>2193366>>2193367
>>2193373This is the main reason. They have a lot of changes. But are waiting to do it in a bigger update alongside general player feedback. It would be weird if the game released already past the first version too.
>>2193380>he's had this argument so many times he has a dedicated image ready to post in response to every valid argumentkek
>>2193374Events are part of the base mechanics you doofus
>>2193388Yeah, it's pretty easy to respond to your scripts when you do this every game release. Imperator, Victoria 3, and now surprise surprise you're here again, one week before launch.Won't be here one week after though, will you?
>>2193388Shills raid the place often enough, it's not exactly challenging to figure out their standard responses and blow them out.
>>2193380i always laugh when i see this image again because the only people left posting it think this was really meant to be a serious argument
>>2193390They've already shown the game to have what is probably more events than any of their other games.
>>2193394>Won't be here one week after though, will you?You will, and you'll still be bitching (you will buy the game on day 1)
>>2193395>complaining about [thing] shills on the dedicated [thing] thread
>>2193403I'm not complaining about anything, I just stated that shills are easy to spot and get easily obliterated because you seemed to be confused why someone would be able to obliterate a shill instantly.
>>2193394Oh I'm not calling you a nigger because I'm shilling, I'm doing it because you are a a subhuman pest that should have died on /vg/.
>>2193399I will be here, yes.What sort of own is that supposed to be?You're literally admitting I am a legitimate human being who has thoughts and feelings on the game in my own right and that you are a sockpuppet who doesn't give a shit about the game.Take the rest of the day off, bro. I swear I'll get my 12 brothers to buy the game due to your hard work.
>>2193406I really have to give props to you on this one. It's amazing they're letting you say nigger and tranny and stuff now. They didn't when Imperator and Vicky 3 were a week from release. Don't get me wrong, it's still obvious you're on the payroll, but it adds a bit of plausible deniability to your usual squeaky clean corpo speak.
>>2193410Lol, lmao even.Your faggy delusions are nice to see.
Ironically enough if the PR shills would just let the conversation flow naturally it might actually benefit their sales.>I have concerns about the national flavor in game>don't listen to /gsg/ schizos, eu5 is going to be great, i've already preordered twice!>thread derails into shitflingingvs>I have concerns about the national flavor in game>yeah but at least we've finally got fucking pops>i guess, eu4 fucking sucked lmao>a step in the right direction at least...>thread has a marginally improved opinion of eu5
How are you supposed to destroy a Building Based Country (BBC)?
the game crashes even on the devs specifically built rigs so should be pretty easy
>>2193414Every "I have some concerns" post is worded in the most obvious disingenuous way and tends to also be complaining about something that has been solved. That is why it gets such aggressive replies.
>>2193419^this
>>2193419>still at it"anon" you've already lost 2 preorders from this conversation, quit while you're behind
>>2193415Cut it off
>>2193414Are you simulating 4chan threads in your head?
>>2193424You aren't? Well you did post a frog so it does line up
>>2193424Well we can't simulate alternate history in EU5, so I thought I'd do it on 4channel.com:^)
>>2193424I doubt that he has the mental acuity required for that.Those retards took ages to realize we were making fun of them. Pic somewhat related if you know you know
I have concerns about the national flavor in game
>>2193439They added BBC to the game. That's all you need for flavor.
Paradox games are only ever actually good in the briefest of moments between having no idea what you're doing and knowing the mechanics perfectly, around the 50-100 hour mark.
i knew the game was a write-off the second they added al-mutayr
im buying 4 copies after your sperging out today
i'm buying a copy for every israeli in my friends list
I won't be buying EU5 until somebody makes the first high fantasy total conversion mod, then I will play that (playing real history and deviating from what really happened breaks my immersion).
>(playing real history and deviating from what really happened breaks my immersion).the fuck
where do people actually go for grand strategy discussion nowas in people posting their campaigns and people commenting on them
>>2193415As my rabbi said, take a little off the top
>>2193458They go to threads about games that have been released
A BBC should significantly enhance your enjoyment of the game and its rich mechanics.
>>2193462There is no one actually playing the games in those threads.Back on /gsg/ on /vg/ you used to tell people people what to do in their campaigns and they used to do it in real time.
>>2193458campaignposting has become blogpostingif you post your campaign, I will insult you for posting your blog.
>>2193458can you restrain yourself from saying NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER?
>>2193380>food analogy
>>2193476**BBBBRRAAPPPPP**I just farted on your Europa Univeralis V dish.
It's herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA0cMW6QjDY
/gsg/ was a mistake
/gsg wasn't a mistakewe all are here to spread love throughout the world through video games
>>2193489kill yourself /gsg/igger raider
I love /gsg/!
>>2193380
>>2193487we got EU5 PNGtubers before EU5!
>>2193054While true it does strike me as unsatisfying if the main thought I'd have when being ravaged by plague is "damn I'm really going to feel this in a century or so" rather than it feeling like a big disaster now.
>>2193494Why the fuck would i order gold to eat
>>2193179Nothing has been more damaging to grand strategy games than the notion of 'challenging AI'. I want AI that sells the illusion of a historical actor with its own goals and history and rivalries that plausibly behaves how I might expect a state to behave. If this happens to make for a challenging AI then that's great, but if it doesn't then that's a problem of the player having way too many tools to achieve wildly ahistoric goals rather than anything to blame on the AI itself. The last thing I want is AI actively designed with the goal of being 'challenging' at the expense of all else since that usually comes in the form of blobbing beyond reason or intentionally ganging up on the player or what have you.I don't even know what triggered this rant its just something that's been bugging me for a while.
>>2193506you sound like a poorfag
>>2193488Truth
>>2192938>only two spanish livestreams
>>2192688It's Paradox's only chance at being able to make anything worthwhile in the future.
>>2193414>I have concerns about the national flavor in gameBecause the specific complaint was "EU5 was shallowed than literally every game they've ever made before", followed by some inane insinuation that filler flavor content is what constitutes 'depth' over the actual core gameplay mechanics.EU5 has plenty of serious problems, which is why stupid hyperbolic nonsense that has nothing to do with those problems makes someone seem like a brainless shitposter. In fact if you let me put my schizo hat on I'd argue the real paid shills are the ones posting the most retarded criticisms imaginable with the intent to discredit and distract from the actual legitimate problems with the game.
Gonna boot up the game, sail across the sea, and go straight to brown town.
>>2192688>but I'm confident I'll have plenty of fun as an avid EU4 player.If anything the game seems like it's intended to be the anti-EU4 in a lot of the design philosophy, but I'm someone who very much disliked EU4 so to me that's something that makes me quite optimistic. I'm obviously biased here so take my words with a grain of salt.
>>2193535Exactly this, since the first TTs many design decisions seemed anathema to EU4 which is the min reason I have some hope for EU5
>>2193539fugg :ddd*main reason
the game is LITERALLY unplayable without mission treesnotice how nothing ever happens? well uhhh if the ai had trees they'd be doing STUFF
>>2193544Mission trees are stupid. The AI barely follows them until the later game when it leads to stupid boobs forming. For the player it just adds unneeded stress as some of the requirements are pretty retarded. A humongous blob might conquer one province that basically freezes your country from progressing historically. It unnecessarily restricts everything. It also leads to little to no events being made. Missions are just a convoluted way of accessing events anyway. Dynamic events that can trigger when you do some things to help better represent historical things too micro for the game mechanics will always be better than lazy missions with faggy names. The improved tech system will also allow you to access buffs in a much more satisfying way.
>>2193556>stupid boobsOkay, flatty.
>>2193556Stupid boobs forming... seducing a player... needs blob correction
>>2193556You're telling me EU5 won't have this?Just refunded my preorder.DOA
>>2193556>tfw can't focus because the Ottoman's big boobs are distracting me from my war goal
>>2193556>eu5 is all about perflat surpemacypre-ordered
>>2193494kek
>>2193316>Game with pop system more developed than vic2, econ system at least on par with vic 3, and more developed in any aspect than its predecesor>Gets called shallow
>>2193611EU5 is unironically bigger and more detailed on release than any previous Paradox game. Even if it is "bad" it will still easily be better than anything they've released before. Anyone still dooming didn't read the diaries.
>>2193614Even if its a pile of shit the tools available will allow modders to make something good out of it
I'm preordering just to spite /gsg/niggers
>>2193634This nigga can afford an 85 dollar game but not anti aliasing for his text
>>2193635A McDonald's worker could afford an 85 dollar game. The only people who can't are dependents.
>>2193637literally>>2193635i turned all the windows performance shit off and it actually helps noticeably
i made a second steam account just so i could preorder twice
I don’t understand the immense hate and naysaying about this game. Shouldn’t it get some credit with just how transparent development of the game has been and the steps devs have taken to correct little things? Idk, it looks like they’re at least trying compared to Vic3 or CK3. Game looks complex in its systems too. I don’t just don’t get the hate. I can understand being highly skeptical, but some of this is just retarded.
>>2193623Isn't that what we said about Victoria 3?
>>2193650No.
Why /gsg/gers hate this game when it's the true sequel to their beloved Vicky 2 and EU3?
>>2193648What the fuck is this post?Every single game had dev diaries before it was released, it was in the Victoria 3 dev diaries that we learned it would have a shit war system and when we begged them to fix it before release they laughed at us.Now we're going through the exact same motion with the AI in EU5. We beg them to fix it and they laughed at us.
>>2193648It's all just e-celeb simps eating up drama
>>2193650Vic3 was so clearly dogshit before release that it doesn’t compare. >no units on the map to move around^ this is the only information you needed to know that they fucked it up.
>>2193652EU3 was never a /gsg/ game. The sequel to V2 shoud have been V3. Victorian era mechanics don't make sense in the age of discovery.
>>2193648It truly is a paradox. Even if they occasionally screw up, they tend to be a lot better than most game companies. All of their practices are stuff followers of other companies could only dream about. Yet they get a disproportionate amount of hate.
>>2193658So is EU5 if you're not either a PR shill or a redditor high on copium.
>>2193657Case in point >>2193656>this game I've never played has terrible AI! Trust me!lmao, you got got
>>2193660>they tend to be a lot better than most game companiesTheir DLC policies were adopted by EA due to how scummy they are.
>>2193656this is different, dev diaries of the past were solely for marketing they never really took any feedback and they didnt last nearly 2 whole years
>>2193656The devs for EUV have fixed a lot of stuff and taken feedback from the community though? Even going into retarded detail to fix minor things on the map iirc.>AIWhere have they laughed at this problem?
>>2193662>this game literally every content creator who has played the game says has bad ai has bad ai
>>2193664Name one piece of feedback they've taken from actual paying customers, not content creators demanding the game is made easier for their meme videos.
>>2193667>my parasocial boyfriend said so, it's true!Take a long look at your life man.
>>2193665>Where have they laughed at this problem?Johan says the problem with the AI is it's simply too good. That's unironically the cope they're going with. The reason nothing happens is because the AI is too good.
>>2193494
>>2193667Link every single content creator saying this. I’ll wait.
>>2193669my parasocial boyfriend is cute and trustworthy fuck u
>>2193669The oinly reason anyone would watch those insufferable faggots is to learn whether the game will be playable or not. You have to read through the lines of their paid reviews, but sometimes how bad the game is shines through.
>>2193673>spoonfeed meif you weren't a disingenous PR shill you'd have been watching them yourself instead of encouraging people to buy your crap game
>>2193668When they showed that they added polynesian tags i made the suggestion that they should be able to explore from the start same way greenland can and would you look at that >>2191034
>>2193677I don't believe you asked for that.
>>2193668Why do you lie about things anyone who has followed the game for more than a week know it's untrue? At least people who shill the game are getting paid for this, does a rival company have you on their payroll or what?Open literally any dev diary and filter by dev replies, half of them are about implementing suggestions from random people.
>>2193682The literal only thing I've seen them change due to people asking for it is Al-Mutayr because reddit made it a meme. The peak of their community engagement is doing what reddit wants.>rival companyThere is no rival company, Paradox have a complete monopoly, and as we all know monopolies lead to complacent and scummy companies.
>>2193668the first dev diary I read was about slavery and they added a wargoal to liberate your own culture's slaves on the suggestion of a random in the replies.which I thought was pretty cool
>>2193670The AI not conquering is a serious problem, but I’ve heard CCs say its because the AI builds up too tall and then can’t push through giant networks of alliance blocks. If that’s the case, then the AI is fine but some systems need tweaking. Idk if that’s true, but that’s another explanation for the time lapse. And don’t get me wrong, the time lapse is a serious issue.
>>2193685This really should have been fixed before release. It's either a simple fix in which case why haven't they done it OR it's an extremely complex fix which puts the entire future of the game in doubt.
>>2193668People were complaining about ethnoreligions not existing so they made it so you had to assimilate them first before converting.
>>2193684They shouldn't have needed to be told to do that. It's obvious. Plus the way they did it will probably lead to retardation where AI countries like Ashanti, which historically contributed to the slave trade, instead turn against the Europeans.
>>2193688This doesn't make any sense, Jews in Europe assimilated but kept their faith, the entire language of Yiddish (a german dialect) is proof of that.
>>2193686I guess we’ll have to see when the game comes out. We can’t say for sure what the latest version is like because it’s not out yet. I’ll be waiting a day to see actual reviews and gameplay preordering is for retards. I’ve heard different things from CCs and that the AI was better about conquest in past versions. That leads me to think some patches before release or after will solve the problem.
>>2193668The whole mechanic of vassals costing dipcap relative to your and their size is cause people suggested it>>2193691If you read any of the dev diaries you would know that theres like 20 different jewish cultures for each region they were significant in(like ashkenazi, italkim, kaifeng etc.)
>>2193694I'm mainly shitting on the game to control my own hype after getting burned by all their other games. From what I've seen in the DD, content creator vids, and pre-release stream this game looks not only to be the greatest GSG of all time but also one of the most fun for my particular playstyle (literally doing nothing on speed 5 while graphs go up) but if I allow myself to hope I know it'll be shit.
>>2193691True, also the Sephardim in Spain who still speak a variant of Spanish which is 90% intelligible with modern Spanish.
>>2193697you would hyperbolically describe your playstyle as not playing the game?
>>2193695>you would know that theres like 20 different jewish culturesYeah, yeah, that's nice and all, but are gypsies properly represented in the game as well?
>>2193702No, i saw a lot of people complain but they didn't add them, its kinda funny how much paradox seems to hate gypsies not even victoria has them
>>2193700Yeah. I tend to get certain borders in Europe that I deem historically accurate/feasible and then take some aesthetic/historically accurate colonies and build up from there.Beating the AI is too easy and not fun for me. You just bait them into bad terrain and recycle troops. If you're really at a disadvantage you make an alliance, it isn't hard so there's no fun in doing that. I get people like to do WC for some sense of an achievement but that would be hell for me because you're just grinding the game cycle and dealing with rebel spam to achieve something that wasn't historically possible.EU5 appeals to me because I can form my comfy state and then build it up with actual pops and buildings instead of just pressing the dev button every time my mana is reaching the cap.
For me it's claiming my natural borders and then becoming border police for the rest of the world
>>2193703Yuros as a whole hate them. There is genuinely no love for them in any kind of media, and the few representation they get is from american products.Which is ironic, because in some countries there are more gypsies than jews living there yet no one seem to care about them.
I resent the fact that we have to sift through streamoid slop to gather more information. If they have a schedule of videos ready they might as well give us early access.
>>2193661>florence colonizes>loses half the colony in a mass chimp out>loses the rest soon afterwhat's the problem?
>>2193706Based and naturalborderpilled
>>2193717>what's the problem?It's not realistic
>>2193688Oh so it will be possible to completely assimilate the Jews?
>>2193718It is funny how Britain and Japan are extra detailed geographically even in real life.
>>2193735>It's not realisticwrong yet again
>>2193738Show me 1 (one) example of a country that kept an inland colony that was left after their coast was taken by another country. If you show me that example, I will concede.
>>2193737Britain is the protagonist irl
>>2193746Federation of Rhodesia and Nysasaland, 1962.
>>2193746Britain
How much shit will you automate on your first playthrough?
>>2193746It isn't like the Africans deep in the interior knew about nationalism and shit. They didn't know about the convoluted global supply system either. It is quite plausible that they simply don't immediately overthrow their overlords as they may not know how weak they have become. They may also live with such a thing as a fact of life for a while since most don't care about much more than sustaining themselves.
>>2193755Still connected to the British Empire via South Africa.>>2193760>Britan>no coastWhat?>>2193765There is no way a colony would have survived if there was no connection to the sea in one way or another. The closest thing was the "White Highlands" of British Kenya where a lot of degenerate nepobaby fuckers did their orgies and other deviations there without their supervision of their parents, but even they knew the part was over once the rest of the country was lost and it was time to go.
>>2193769Doesn't the colony disappear after a few years in the timelapse anyway? It seems like a reasonable representation of a collapse.
>>2193769>Still connected to the British Empire via South Africa.Incorrect.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_South_African_republic_referendum#Establishment_of_Republic
The fuck is dynamic terrain?
>>2193777Being able to change a province's terrain like from forest to grasslands in the middle of the game.
>>2193777Terrain that changes.For example, Ukraine going from easily traversible to a muddy hell hole.
>>2193778>>2193780Okay then, what the FUCK are BBCs?
>>2193781Building Based Countries.
https://youtu.be/fahVi7d3NR8?t=1412ahistoricalGODS won
>>2193782How can I find out more about BBC?
>>2193190you sound mad
>>2193190Lookas made a loli joke in one of his country slop videos
>>2193784https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/tinto-talks-26-21st-of-august-2024.1700025/
>>2193786Based
>>2193786I'm gonna go sub to him now
>>2193784Turn on a TV in Britain (don't forget to pay for the license)
>>2193786Was it funny or cute?
You can play as a French minor for the divorce child experience.
>>2193793I don't remember the video but he was looking at lollard rebels and he purposively mispronounced it and overlayed a gif of the dragon maid loli. Totally caught me off guard
>>2193794qrd?
>>2193801Your parents (England and France) are fighting a prolonged custody battle over you (hundred years war)
>>2193786>>2193797Link it.
>>2193804It doesn't exist. None of these supposed based content creator events exist.
>>2192938>Florryworry: Florence - Start time 12:00 CETSo the crack addict will be the first content drop?
>>2193807IT EXISTS and now I have to go on an autistic journey because you doubt me
>>2193819Sure thing, bud.
>you son of a bitch... im in
>>2193821enjoy your broken meme game
>>2193822thanksWE GAAN
>>2193821enjoy your amazing legitimate game
>>2193686>should have been fixed before release. It is. Multiple CCs said that a newer version has the AI expanding more aggressively once againJust as it did in earlier builds of the game.
>>2193827>Multiple CCs said that a newer version has the AI expanding more aggressively once againmass doubter suicide when?
added new lore to the frisia -> south africa runtaking a treaty port in japan and shipping hundreds of thousands of japanese slaves in
>>2193827>>2193828>multiple salesmen say product they're selling is good
>>2193839Oh so now that they don't fuel your delusions all of a sudden their input is worthless
>>2193624Same
>>2193760None because im not a looser who wants to get a top tier empire instantly and without effort
Apparently the game rule that allows ahistorical country formables does now allow achievements anymore.
>>2193854we got nasa's top scientists trying to figure out what the fuck you just said
>>2193648They mostly change purely cosmetic things, like changing a province in serbia from 2% to 5% albanians which has no effect on the game over fixing the actual issues like UI and AI. I haven't really seen a single actual issue that community has brought up that has been fixed, it's all this distraction tier stuff.
>>2193856I was in a hurry, my badhttps://youtube.com/shorts/_dWxp1uKyvg?si=Fu6EjL3Wb6dlgN-TEarning achievements is now disabled, if you set the formable countries game rule to 'ahistorical'
>>2193867NOOOOOO NOT MY CHIEVEEOSget a life
>>2193871>get a lifeFuck off with that normalfag shitThis is a board for proud no-lifers
>>2193875>he doesn't play games during WFH
>>2193876>wfhTo work is to lose
Sort youtube by latest, chinks are already starting to upload gameplay videos
>>2193661>>2193735>EU5 is dogshit because there can be inland colonial enclavesBy that metric isn't literally every fucking grand strategy game in existence dogshit?
2 hours till first stram for eu5 comes out!
>>2193760Automation is for once I've figured out how things worked and developed a plan but don't want to bother with the busywork. Until then it's all experimentation baby.
>>2193924The Japanese channels from the collaborators list have uploaded their videoshttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/full-list-of-content-creator-videos-coming-out-tomorrow-october-31st.1865317/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tmHr2TtUE4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XccsZz54NKEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Brf22ub2whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IpjlUznbhQI don't know how to use bilibili for the Chinese ones.
KOREAN STREAM!https://chzzk.naver.com/live/16f23f1ae8b57b026e5451b29b0b7c0d
Janny will say its offtopic but it isnt, a question related to eu5 economic model: what do commies think about american overconsumption of goods? I feel like they shouldnt be opposed to it
>>2193925It's a failure of the control system. Other games have an excuse because they lack the systems to make it possible. For instance in EU4 such a exclave could not form naturally (AI could not core it so it would not take it) and if an existing piece of cored land then got separated for what ever reason there is no mechanics to make that exclave break away because it's already a core. EU5 has control and such exclaves should have no control and should automatically either rebel pretty much instantly or the host should release them as sort of autonomous vassal. The fact that isn't happening means the game mechanics failed.
Anon will you play with 3d map or will you use flat map? I have a shit computer so will be playing with flat.
>>2193937I have a good computer and I will be playing with flat.I absolutely hate 3D maps, they look horrible in every game and I can't understand the focus they get.
>>2193937Flat, hands down. 3D shit is irrelevant in this kind of games, same thing as the character portraits.
>>2193933In theory the control system means that said isolated colonial enclave is essentially worthless to the owner. It's people aren't actively rebelling and are nominally still the territory of the state, but said state doesn't get taxes, manpower or have any actual, well, control. It's intentionally kept as a seperate mechanic to unrest, so I don't really see it not achieving what it was never intended to achieve as a failure. In fact looking over the timelapse it seems like the florencian colony was also extremely vulnerable to conquest, which is what you'd expect for an isolated zero control inland colony. The real issue was that the janky warscore system means that each time it was conquered there were a few stray provinces left over that just kept blobbing out into uncolonized territory, getting that blob conquered and repeat for 50 years until being wiped out. Which is dumb as fuck and the game definitely should not work like that, but seems like an issue pretty much unrelated to control.
why are east asians such perverts
>>2193946>so I don't really see it not achieving what it was never intended to achieve as a failure.It's a failure if it doesn't do what I described. There's 0 reason why an exclave with 0 control would stay loyal to a nation even if there's no unrest. The system has failed if it doesn't take this into account.
>>2193954an indian
>>2193954It's just strange how all of these youtubers who are obviously male have these pseudo-transvestite avatars
scammed
Venice, Naples or Milan?
>>2193946In fact looking closer Naples and France have colonies that go through the exact same shit. Seems to be a problem of >rich colonial power loses their vulnerable, newly-settled colony>the warscore system means a few locations survive>the rich colonial nation has lots of money to throw at colonisation and no sense of prioritisation beyond 'expand existing colonies'>>2193953I should have added that I do agree with your point about colonies in this situation becoming a colonial vassal, it'd be a elegant solution here. I just disagree with the suggestion it makes the game dogshit or means control as a mechanic is a failure, control seemingly achieves what it's meant to achieve apart from some fringe cases like these which I would like to hope the devs will fix, but that might be naive of me.
>>2193966all are fun in meiou but for me its naples
Anon will you roleplay or min max?
>>2193979Yes
>>2193953It's 1728 in that screenshot with the Florentine African territory. The idea of "loyalty to a nation" barely exists in continental Europe at that time, let alone in inland rural Africa. Why would any of those Africans start a rebellion or declare independence when they probably don't even know they are governed by Florence, and even if they did it would have functionally no effect on their lives?
>>2193332Chinkshit doesn't make CK3 betterEU5 looks bad you stupid nigger, have you not seen the state of the AI?
>>2193930The second video has an option for English so that one is watchable, but why do 3/4 of these japs use the most obnoxious text2speach possible?.
>>2193979i will roleplay as the peasant №54723 dying from the plague
florry is live
out of all the walls of text they've posted on the forums i've maybe read like 5%
>>2193960i've seen a perfect gender swapping footage from the web camera in real time on twitter today but cannot find it nowthe point is that vtubers are gonna get replaced by 10/10 foids everywhere soon
>>2193988>the era of great disclosure(age of discovery)
>>2193981>Why would any of those Africans start a rebellion or declare independence when they probably don't even know they are governed by Florence, and even if they did it would have functionally no effect on their lives?That's a trick question because if that is the case then they aren't governed by Florence and the game should not display them as being governed by Florence. The fact that game does this is why the fails.
>>2193993Based, I open every dev diary as soon as they're posted but I only look at the pictures and nothing else
>>2194009I go straight to comments kek.
>recommended specs now target 1080p instead of 4KIt's over
>>2194017the game is not graphically demanding, it looks like shit in fact. All demand is in the processor
this is retarded
>>2194022basically all your starting pops are a non-renewable resource. All you can do is take someone else's. How are you expected to play tall not in asia exactly?
>>2194023In game you can get 2.5% growth rate.
>>2193933>or the host should release them as sort of autonomous vassalThis is the thing that gets me about the control system, it's very arbitrary with how Paradox decided what counts as a low control province vs a vassal, England is a great example of this and moreover there's no system for simulating low control land becoming a vassal even though that's effectively what they are. And then there's all sorts of weirdness with how making a vassal out of low control land somehow makes the land more productive even though nothing really actually changed in reality, only how the game simulates it.Basically control and vassaliization are two entirely different systems for simulating the same fundamental issue and they don't mesh well at all.
>>2194025and one plague kills 50%
>>2194027There's one plague in the game.
>>2194022>>2194023The global population started to grow dramatically faster following the Columbian Exchange which is confirmed to be represented in the game. I'm assuming the ultra-slow population growth will only be a factor early on.
>>2193661Everyone's arguing about enclaves but I think the bigger issue is that European nations shouldn't be able to expand that deeply into tropical Africa to begin with, it makes no sense.
>>2194017liar
>>2194027is eastern europe being only minorly affected represented in the game?as i've heard it was one of the reasons of their raise to power
>>2194030>it makes no senseThat's least of the worries, it's better than the world gets too colonized than not being colonized enough even if it leads to unhistoric outcomes. The first is an issue because it makes the video game shit, what you posted isn't an issue because it makes the video game better.
>>2193937Flat is justice. If given the option I will always play with DFCs.
>>2192938>neither the jap that plays japan nor the one that played timur did a livestream
>>21939373D map looks like dogshit
>>2194028thats ahistorical
>>2194026Going by the original tinto talks the idea is that zero control is more alone the line of villages and towns operating independently and not paying taxes but still nominally under the states authority rather than the more unified entity that a vassal would represent. More along the lines of "remote chinese villages the empire would have a hard time even finding in order to tax" and that kind of thing.Though In practice the execution is often pretty arbitrary I agree, since something like the pale seems like exactly the kind of thing 'low control non-vassal' should represent.
>>2194040next you gonna tell me there are no famines caused by the climate
>>2194035>it makes the video game better.but it doesn't
>>2194040So what, it's a video game.>>2194045It absolutely does. It's better for stuff to happen than not happen even if not happening is how it worked out in history. It's a video game not a history slide show.
>>2194047kys blobber
i will just not watch any streamers, im sorry
>>2193671
>>2194050you're so brave
>>2194041>rather than the more unified entity that a vassal would representAt the start of the game that's 90% of Europe though, villages and towns paying tax to the local lords who then pay it to the Crown. Turning your 0 control land into a vassal represents literally nothing but somehow makes the land magically more productive. And then you have how this all fails to play into the nobility estate which is meant to be simulating those local lords too. Simulating the transition from feudalism to modern states is supposed to be one of the major themes of the game yet the mechanics for doing that are a completely mess of different systems that haven't been properly integrated into each other.
the reason for chinese much larger population is just that its older than europe?
>>2194065>trusting AIslop
>>2194017the whole game is only 15 gb, its a spreadsheet simulator not a movie
>>2194065China is super fucking big, plus they have good fertile land, rice, and rivers. Add on to that the fact that the potato being imported from the Americas suddenly made all their shit land usable too
>>2194053lold
>>2194065stop spamming AI garbage.
>>2194069europe should've centralized, it has comparable pop overall
>>2194073if you remove the british rats sabotaging the european politics for the last 600 years from their island it would've
>>2194076weird way of spelling fr*nch
>>2194076trvth nuke, the frankish empire would be spanning the globe
https://lewd.pics/p/?i=oTsk.mp4Where's that nigger who kept whining about not being able to own territories right after occupying them?
>>2194091Pretty cool
How valid would be using geforce now for this game?
>>2194095They said it will work, issue is you are capped to like 200 hours per month
>>2194022It's the late medieval period. People barely just got by with the harvest and had little food surplus to support a rapidly growing population.
>>2194097yeah it's actualy 100h per month and you can buy additional 15 hours for 3 euros.
>>2194032Retard
>>2194095i7-14700K is $300
>>2194105I have amd.
https://youtu.be/7tmHr2TtUE4?t=136>二点目の注意、現在のバージョンでの日本小勢力プレイには複数の既知のバグが含まれています>発売後には直ってるのか、それともバグが入ったままなのかはわかりませんが、想定外の挙動をすることもあるので注意してくださいJapbros....I don't feel so good......
>>2194119>daimyo in japan only have professional armies since they have no locations and thus can't levy anything>for some reason they all delete their armies day1, and since they have no locations you can occupy during war to get war score all you can do is wait till you naturally rise to 25 war score and peace outThey BETTER have fixed this shit on the release version
>>2194028you've lieded
>>2194128>no syphilisofcourse, wouldnt wanna offend the noble savages
>>2194127anything outside of Europe is an afterthought
>>2194076propably not. The Austrians and the french fucking despised each other almost even more than the brits and frenchies
>>2194130based
>>2194130Japan is in Europe.Also, funnily enough some autist dev added like a hundred holy sites to Shinto and you can make your ruler go on a pilgrimage to any of them.
>>2194130
>>2194127Release version already exists. We'll probably get it in a November 5 patch. Although someone needs to make sure to inform Paradox of this as I'm not sure they pay attention to the Japanese.
>>2194119Japan is never playable without dedicated DLC
>>2194134nothing 200 years of subjugation wouldnt fix
Vgh
>>2194149Well I have no Paradox account so I can't do that. PDX did leave a message on one of the two Jap videos I watched but I doubt they bothered watching the video.The reason for the bug is probably some stupid shit like the daimyo not having enough cash though, so hopefully it'll be easy to niggerrig a solution as the player like just adding a modifier to all Jap culture building based countries that gives them +1 monthly income or something.
