Proper baker edition https://gofile.io/d/zAJ2RV - Full DV leak repository. Proposal, charts, maps.https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Leaked build footage. Nearly finished and scrapped Italy, very unfinished Germany/US reworks and more.https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus - BiliBili leak video repository.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany never.https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf- Japan rework. Now with a full proposal leak.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev still lurking, will respond to all bait.https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p walltext about Colombian soccer mechanics.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.https://files.catbox.moe/o2pmmv.pdf - Old burgundy proposal, lost to historyhttps://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdfNew Japan doc
https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf Leaked Yorty Doc, Exactly what you expect from mangohttps://files.catbox.moe/omzl7q.png France flowchart, resistance is dead>TNO:RAhttps://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA - TNO: Rises Again Git. Atlantropa TNO for current HOI4 with new content.>LEAKED BUILDSJust making sure these aren't lost again.2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuohttps://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions Endhttps://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Webhttps://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branchhttps://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides
>newsNew update for Requiem and Rises AgainCA is out
Roundtable Notes!
Someone already made a thread you blind moron.
>>2223066Yeah, a SHITTY one without the leaks
>>2223042>>2223046https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdfguess what, they finally did a roundtable and new notes are available fresh off the press>TCs want to make dev channels more open and accessible to other team members(transparency is good)more leaks soon to come?
Skeleton Revamps via kingdragon All of Latin AmericaAll of the CaribbeanFaroes, Iceland, Falklands, British Atlantic PosessionsAll of Iberia
>>2223171>Italy is a single team and will no longer being treated as multiple tags to help with cohesion (everyone is Italian at the end of the day) + The characters from the different paths will play a role in different onesSTILL STUCK ON DAY ONE ISSUES FOR A NORMAL MOD>Fill and HW are working with other devs on body team proposal, will hopefully lead to more active code dev but progress is being madeITALY IS REWORKED AGAIN>First draft of coding for 1964 and 1968 for Yippie Presidents soon + Fine tuning Soon!SEVERAL YEARS IN. 1964 CONTENT IS ONLY JUST STARTING TO BE CODED.>Schlafly had ties to fascists, US gov structure has enabled fascist governance in Yippie but it’s up to who is in chargeREPUBLICANS ARE THE REAL FASCISTS IN TNO STILL> Be proud of your work on TNO, everyone matters! Don’t let hate comments get to you"Please ignore the fact that literally everyone hates the mod now!">Sometimes it’s good for devs to have more closed spaces for discussing thingsMangobunker moment.>Germany devs are busy at the momentGermany rework stuck in another year of total dev hell, sucks to be the anon hoping for a 2026 release.>2-3 updates a year is good, don’t concern yourself with unreasonable complaintsInhuman levels of coping.>Good faith concerns are taken seriously, but it’s a volunteer project at the end of the dayLMAO.> Amur is the focal point of Russia dev stillAFTER THREE YEARS WITH NO PROGRESS.DEAD. MOD.
>>2223197This shit is so ass
>Take a look at Steam page>All attached pictures are screenshots of various Antarctica tags and Fiji >Mod is about germany winning ww2 btw It would be funny if it weren't so sad
Reposting in this thread so it's not lost: I found Thomas' channel of leaks and started researching. Haven't played TNO in actual years, I stopped after Silicon Dreams. Seeing France & Red Italy content that's fully real makes me want to fucking die.https://youtu.be/8Zzq0c82-pM?si=t6EqEK_rt1-VfMsJVideo I'm referring to.
>>2223171Any idea what the elephant is?
>>2223197Insane death spiral. Even their echo chamber reddit has revolted
>>2223473it’s a joke about the elephant in the room o algo
>>2223555Yeah but what is the elephant that needs to be adressed
I was in the Requiem Discord today, and they might be getting someone who used to be part of TFL and got purged by base TNO.I really wish there was a way how we could help Requiem get other ex-TNO devs, or even current ones that are being Mangod
>>2223611Could've been me but I quit and I'm so happy I did!
>>2223647The best help they can get is Mango fucking up.
>>2223447I would be surprised if any TNO dev isn't demoralized at this point. In that one video, there are three semi-functioning focus trees for France, Greece, and Turkey with their own mechanics and GUIs to support them, and none of them will see the light of day.>>2223653The original message I posted was worded so poorly, but yeah, I can't imagine morale being high if this is the working environment. I thought it was just "lol we haven't even started working because we haven't made up our mind," not "lol we're deleting your hard work that probably took months or years because uhh fuck you."
>>2223662Just look at Rises Again and all the content they brought from the cutting room floor. There has to be dozens of tags that could've been playable or at least skeletons that were all yeeted. That way one of the greatest things about RA isn't the mod itself but that it kills the nudev narrative that everything that remove wasn't a huge waste of time and effort.
>>2223708No you moron you don't understand. Of course it was a waste of time and effort! They didn't have my heckin clicking decisions for bullshit amounts of pp and cp!
>>2222056no, it isn't. they explicitly say you can either focus on one or do it balanced, but not erratic. why even answer if you don't know either? fucks sake.
>>2224530nayrt but maybe they messed with the formula since release? That's caused a few misunderstandings like this over the years.
Truly, there will never be something like 2020-21 TNO ever again
>>2225309Remember Afrika Addio?
>>2223171>First draft of coding for 64 and 68 presidents didnt even start yetIts over, isnt it?
>>2225885Yeah at that point I have more faith on Requiem eventually coding and releasing their own full US and German rework from nothing QUICKER than base TNO
>>2223171>>2223180>>2223197Does anyone know as to what the Iberia update will include? Apart from just skeletons ofc.
>>2225924They say it would only be a facelift of the current Iberian content, with the only "major" change being a one-year focus tree for the contenders in the civil war. You know how bad things are when a facelift is the main hope for the mod rn.
Some funny Discord copes, including the fact that they probably won't be posting updates on Twitter anymore.
>>2226012These guys are blatantly lying. We have leaks that Italy, France, Turkey, Moscow, among others, had well-developed content. Italy was even about 70% ready, and yet they threw it in the trash, and now they say it was never even developed. I imagine how mad devs who worked on that must be.
>>2225309>They're just mad we aren't Nazis like them>They were all teased before any work was madeHOLY FUCK >>2223447 MY DUDE THIS ONE'S FOR YOULiterally 1984. Past content erased? It either never existed or was all bad.>>2226021The list is probably a lot longer. That's just the stuff we know from leaks. Imagine all the stuff that either had the tiniest amount of OpSec or just wasn't on a Git when a major leak happened?
>>2225924Full Iberia FaceliftContent for all Iberian Wars factions, with 2 mechanics, focus trees and events, until the end of the WarsDevelopment Mechanic for IberiaLegislative and Advisory Council GUI/Mechanic for IberiaFrom December 2024, big rock of salt
>>2226203with 2 mechanics, focus trees and events, until the end of the WarsWhy are they talking about it like it's something special? Isn't it literally basic content
>>2226286They didn't. It's just normal content like what a lot were hoping for at the time. You're just interpreting that way because things are so bad that this would be hailed as a massive W today.
>>2226320Its that I found it funny that they mentioned it, as if it wasn't already a basic requirement. It would be like them saying, "You'll be able to manage the economy, there will be decisions to make and minigames for you to play."
>>2226152I am fucking speechless All I ever wanted was a shitty visual novel for Canada & some proxy participation I want to scream
>>2226012Holy shit they really like sniffing their own farts don't they?
>The Mango/QPQ TCT mod on RFK ended up having a jab towards the TCT fanbase on how they "have historical politicians act like you want is bad o algo">Post TFW Vote Yeepig ends up having very unsubtle jabs towards the TNO fanbase, something like people not appreciating the work done or wanting the world to "be wacky", my intuition tells me there will be a jab.
>>2226964Nah everyone that disagrees with the leads just happen to be a card-carrying NSDAP member.
I was wondering, How easy would it be to change the sejima skeleton content for manchuria and just slap on park chung hee and the republic of manchuria on there? I dont know how to code but I changed some of the events in my files to reflect park being in charge but I cant seem to get him into the leader portrait or the game rules its always just sejima. Pls help with this one because im certain its a stupid easy thing to do its really only a portrait a name and idelogy change to reflect the recent teasers
>>2227585Look up a tutorial on YouTube but iirc it should be as easy as editing the nation-specific character file and then make sure that Park has all the attributes of the leader you're trying to replace. This should also be where you tell the game what gfx to look for.I'm a bit rusty and might've forgotten but that should allow it to work. For some reason in my head I keep lumping together edits for the new character system with the old one where everything was in the history/event files.
>>2227593I found him in the images, but it's under Park Chung Hee rather than the name I used, which was his Japanese name. Also, I don't Idk how to add him without deleting Sejima. Aside from that I really wish the dev team or some modders could revamp manchurias skeleton content. Because I had to manually edit Manchurias GDP growth and societal development by hand when I was playing Guandong because It simply wasnt a challenge
I was reading on Discord to get some gems and, apparently, the Chilean guy from Antarctica created the content in less than a year, having only started working on it in February. How the hell can a single guy release content in less than a year, while the rest of the team can't release what they've been working on for at least 3 years with dozens of devs?
>>2228433>develop country people actually care about>random team lead interjects every two weeks and demands a rework>develop country no one gives a fuck about>leads leave you alone & you can do your own thing
>>2228433The above anon is right, can confirm. Most of the nations that got scrapped were so over petty nonsense and someone from the correct clique disagreeing with a dev, cue purges. Consider the following: ALL of Europe and ALL of Russia have been reworked several times over while the only things that actually get released are Mexico and Antarctica. Not even Brazil was safe as that tag's entire intro is going to be destroyed by the DV integration. something that - again - is only happening because the DV lead is friends with the right people. Just imagine the kind of shit that someone devving France would have to put up with when they're told that they suddenly have to account for an entire colonial empire being added and then consider everything else on a similar scale that could've happened to other teams. Do this and it suddenly becomes obvious why they haven't had an actual update in years.
>>2228731>mestrecker rip
>>2228857Elaborate.
>>2228862mestrecker simply deleted all of his socials.
>>2228893Why?
>>2223034What is the most recent leaked Japan path leader chart?
>>2229673This. The full doc has since leaked, but no one's sure yet if it comes before or after this and it doesn't really matter since this seems to be the general formula they're going for.
>>2230056I'm guessing the flowchart is more recent than the doc since it doesn't list Kono as having the Goken Conservatism subid, which is likely cut like most tag-specific subids recently.
>>2231216I hate how they remove all the subids and just turning them more generic for everyone that's interesting like all the Russian unifier ones but then they add sixty liberalism subids for the US because Mango needs yet another space to write about the wonders of centrism. Slavo-Aryanism however? Generic Nazism #2 will do, no need to add flavor. What is the upside of removing all of them anyway? It just makes the mod more barren but maybe that's the point.
>>2231216What? When were the subid cuts announced?Also, it still seens relatively old because I'm sure they have the names for all the parties and factions now
>>2231551They cut them down all the time though usually they just remove extreme and Russian ones. It's never announced, at best it's mentioned in passing in the patch notes. I think a lot of Japanese ones just got renamed but who knows if it'll ever see the light of day.
>>2231551I don’t think they are cutting subids for japan. They already have reform bureaucracy which is a uniquely japanese ideology and goken conservatism despite being democratic has way different values to western democracies
>>2220680To the anon interested in Iran content the RA dev has responded:>Someone in the /vst/ tno thread asked about Iran. Don't have much idea for Iran content at the moment aside for being a flunky for either Germany/Japan/USA.>Honestly Iran in TNO could be very interesting but right now their lore is just Operation Ajax but German. In anycase, I am thinking of merging some of the civil war factions. Liberals and Communists in pro-OFN faction, Islamists in pro-Sphere faction, and monarchists in pro-Pakt faction.
If there are any TNO Japan devs can we please have a possible Young Turk Clique return in late game in the Pro-System branch like in this flowchart >>2230056This would be so funny
Reporting from kiwi site:REWOOORKED the Iranian civil war just now. Communists are now a part of the republican faction and can possibly be elected post-victory. The other monarchists also now have been merged with the main ones. The islamists have been brought in line with new Japan content and can now be supported by them. I also fixed a bug where civil war victory prestige/faction joining/news events wouldn't fire. Also the Irans now invade Baluchistan (Baluchistan has its own victory event hilariously).Finally I altered the lore slightly:Still working on G4 Germany don't worry, but in the meantime I have been experimenting with giving arms factories a fuel consumption modifier. In theory it should make oil more valuable.
>>2233293Based Kiwi autist.
>>2223034Bumping for Asia leaks
>>2233293Somebody post the Baluchistan victory.
Is any of the Thomas Lands leaks publicly available
>>2231930>>2233293Original Anon here, based. I always thought Iran was an underrated country in TNO so I'm glad it's getting some things. Based for keeping the civil war, I was pretty mad when they announced the removal for it.
Played the new SAW under Requiem.Overall it is a nice enough rework, you do have a little content after the War which was something I always felt like it was missing, with you dealing with a few of the post-war elements and in the end you get to see the result of your political leaning that had been building up since the start.The start did not change too much other than the mechanics of how to deal with the groups which seem to have gotten just a bit more complicated, you still will have to focus on one but keep the other in check. The "Chaos" mechanic does need to be understood or you might just lock yourself early on into a very horrible situation with the penalties it can give you.Unlike in old South Africa you don't really have a "click for 20 allied black division choice", you have to actually train more divisions at the start I even found myself trainning the reservist templates just to have someone to hold the line near the bunker positions.The War as usual was difficult at the start, it very much is a question of first knocking out the Boers and then mosing to West Africa so you aren't forced to fight over that overstretched line, don't neglect your airforce either, train them before so you can be a match against enemy air raids.It is just the start that it is difficult, outside of that it then gets easy enough as soon as you cap your first member of the Schild, the content of the war tree is cool enough, you get a certain sense of progression from the start where there is a ton of desperation, you read events of South Africans looting WW1 warehouses to then have them create the first special forces while big brother USA is dumping literal tons of weapons into their backyard.You still have the usual choice between counter-insurgency or funding insurgents behind enemy lines, although this time you also have a middle-road to get a bit of both worlds but never to the same degree of choosing either branch.Overall cool update.
Another RA update from the Farms:>The steam version now has @local asuka's Japan facelift. Go give it a try! I recommend Kaya, for now. His path is infinitely better. Also Takagi is now actually winnable.>Iran had terrible code which caused most civil tags wouldn't spawn with divisions. For example, the load_oob effects were named wrong and referenced files that didn't exist, I have fixed it now.
>>2235886>War-focused update>Alright pacing>Actual challenges introduced without having railroaded fail statesIt was smart of them to do something small but meaningful like this instead of diving into another big project right away. Plus now they have more playable African content than TNO will have years after the initial DV integration.One question: Does it hammer you over the head with le racism bad? I don't want it to go full /pol/tard I just don't want to be lectured like I'm an idiot. I saw someone else post that you were able to improve your demographics by bringing in white settlers without getting huge penalties so at least they don't seem to be as bad as TNO.
the ultravisionaries are the most fun leftist path in TNO by a milewhat are some other paths like this in other mods?
>>2237258HOLY KINO.
>>2237054There are some accelerationist paths in Red Flood and some Chinese hardliner paths oriented around technology in The Fire Rises that might tickle your fancy but I think people in the general thread are more qualified to answer that. Also just a reminder in case anyone forgot that Zhdanov and the Ultravisionaries is one of the routes facing a full rework in TNO where everything you know and loved will be removed, you're welcome.>>2237258That's such a fun concept, holy shit. That could be a great framing device for civil/proxy wars.
>>2237054>>2237332Have you tried Posada in Equestria at War? She's like Zhdanov but wholesome. So like Kardashev I guess.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3605637249Which one you fuckers released this?
>>2237356>Integrated submods In b4 it's all lifted without the original modders even knowing about it.
>>2237411It's wild how it even has red germany leaked build in there, wonder if that gonna cause the wrath of the devclique
>>2237472Wait it's just the shit Lamounier made a chart for two years ago? LMAO.
>>2237489Yeah, a few threads ago there were a chink from bilibili posting a few stuff from a leaked chinese build, most of the rewoorked germany content seems to be playable
>>2223034Bumping for more Japan leaks
>>2237542>MostOnly the Bormann route, everything else is completely fucked past a certain point (Speer) or non-existent (everything else).
He looks cute
>>2237356Waiter! Waiter! More reduxes please!
>We went from having no reduxes to two successful and one up and comer each covering a new nicheDevniggers got too cocky.
>>2238464What's the new one's niche? as far as I know what it's doing is not so different from RA
i feel a revulsion toward some of the new tno content like haiti and i don't quite know how to put it to words it feels like it was done by some brown nationalist who really felt like his shithole country deserved unwarranted attentionantarctica is cool tho
And..it's done, the SAW was won.Despite everything that have been said, I found it quite east when the ball was rolling and I managed to field proper divisions. Things also got fuckey when suddenly everyone was giving me bazillion of divisions and Speer couldn't bother to lend them a single panzergrenadier. Heck during a moment even my homies from Guandong where sending volunters, although I don't think that was intended, they vanished afterwards, dunno if it was Long Yun being silly. Still, was kinda kino to see the whole OFN pull up to your shores while you are desperately trying to fend the g*rm horde at Cape Town>>2238479It's a mix of Rides Again + Submods (That commie and that Rurik mod) and a few leaked builds, plus the current map, it's wild, hope they stick around or merge with Requiem later
>>2238885I like the difficulty curve of the SAW in Requiem.Starts out hard and then becomes easier.I hope the RKs will be the opposite if they do content for them, start out easy, but if you dont kill South Africa fast enough you are in a fight for your life.
>>2238885Doubt there'll be even a chance of a merge unless they ditch the new map. But that just means that there's another redux for people that like the new map but don't like the direction of the mod.>>2238891They talked about it in the community discord the other day. The dev said that their plans were less about overhauling the SAW and more about post-war content. There would be a power struggle to court Germania's favor and whoever won would be able to lead a German-approved Reichsstaat and be tasked with restructuring the continent to make Germany's hegemony more sustainable. If Huttig gets cucked he'd still be able to do his coup, but presumably this means five years of content for each of them. It's not being made any time soon but that's the working idea rn. Not being allowed to win because Huttig always overthrew the state made winning the SAW hollow and being able to send veteran Afrika Korps to the 2WRW would be kino.
>>2223034Tell me the truth. Is this actually a really elaborate strategy visual novel? My cursory look gave me the impression that actual gameplay wasn't really the focus in this mod.
>>2239029It started out as a hybrid between story and gameplay with the balance varying between tags. The Russian ones are full of wars for example. But at some point people that are mostly from the "The Campaign Trail" community started to take over the mod. Now there's no compromise, everyone wanting otherwise either left or got purged and they're actively removing all wars and gameplay from the mod. It's grim.
>>2239046There are Reduxes that are trying to go back to the previous arrangement, that being Requiem and Rises Again
>>2239091Happy to see both doing well. I remember seeing the TNO devs on twitter smugly predicting that they'd collapse. Does anyone have that screenshot?
>>2235890Wait Lamounier is Brazilian? So the 2 heads of tno are.A Brazilian trying to make the most pro-Aryan Ubermensch Reich GermanyAnd a white American preaching about how all white people are bad and how they should all die with republicans You cannot write this shit any better
And answearing a few anons, there doesn't seem to be much of a native pandering in the events, a good chunk of the tag events treat them as unrealiable or "Relics from the last century", with a few events talking about tragedies like this, but the same applies to the anglos and the boers. Everyone is being fucked by the germans, they are the enemy. I also think they removed a bunch of unecessary misery porn events caused by AmeriKKKA, and they kill way less natives free. Of course there's a few events where a platoon fumbles and it affect civilians by accident.A large focus of the event seems to be on the soldiers themselves and how everyone is anxious about being forced to die in a place that they not belong, but Germs and Muricans feel that way
>>2239248No confirmation on him being brown (There is a large white population down south, who often larp as germans)But apparently he is Brazillian? Don't know where that information came from though.
>>2239288>>2239297The brown part comes from a caricature made by the baker that formatted these threads in the first place. It was never confirmed and likely just made for comedic effect when satirizing the mod's leads. Making South American Germanyboos brown is also an old meme common on boards like /int/ and /pol/.
>>2239401 (me)Actually not meant for the South Africa poster. I'm just an idiot.
>>2239288I really like this event.It shows that in war there are no good guys. Everyone fucks everyone.The Germans are shown to be the most ruthless, which is true, but the muricans dont just get to be the wholesum gud guys.Its abit war-le-evil, but i mean, war IS bad for civvies.
New TNO redux hit the fanhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3605932804
MY GOAT!>>2239478The events are quite gud, dunno if they are from TNO OG release, or the requiem devs added them. The germans are nasty fuckers, but the muricans also fuck up sometimes, the event where a squad sabotages a tank with explosives, thinking it would go back to a military camp, only for it to be a scavanged tank stolen by natives, that ends up blowing a whole village off the map, comes to my mind, twas quite gud
>>2239640Where is that one faggot at that predicted Requiem would be groveling at black feet and would shove down your throat that you are a bad person?All his predictions were wrong, he thought TLL wont ever release, he thought TLL would be a shitty update, he thought they would be niggerlovers, etc.
>>2239669I think it was that ex dev that posted here. He was saltier about the lead dev than anyone here is about even Mango so it always came off as personal more than anything else. He should just channel that energy towards something better like helping TNO itself get Iberia out.>TNO never updatesLook Iberia might actually release. I doubt it's as soon as they claim but even if it's early next year they should've bundled Antarctica with it instead of letting those devs get hundreds of flames about Pandora's Web being canceled.
Look at him go, hope they add the Boers as a playable tag in the future>>2239669Honestly TLL made everyone look good, I forgot to screencap it, but Nelson Madela break out of prison and then form a PMC, he comes back aftet the war and rallies wit the APC. I really hope they expand upon SA later, because there is lots of potential to be had here, specially when the Russian war kicks-off or when Cameron makes their move and you have all the OFN buffer states overran by the black tideIt felt quite easy, but it was fun, my only grip was TNO economy being janky sometimes, which made me unable to field tanks and planes properly
Mhm
>>2239494Alright tell the requiem team to stop coding, TNO is officially saved.
>>2239773Five suggested that he wanted to work on three (full victory SAW) paths up to the Oil Crisis, with a playable Ossewabrwandwag path as a stretch goal.
>OssewabrwandwagDidn't expect that to be in the cards but that's cool.
Years later, what do we think of chink omsk?
>>2240841>>2240989actually its spelled O-S-S-S-E-W-B-W-A-B-W-B-R-A-B-R-A-G-W-A, thankyouverymuch. Please spell it correctly next time.
can someone explain, how i might get the previous versions of TNO, that are considered to be the best and don't suffer from reworks?
>>2241069There are two fan forks on steam, Requiem and Rises Again.Requiem is a 2024 fork with a focus on adding new content that's sorta in line with 2020-2022 TNO. It just had a pretty successful South Africa update and has a lot of Russian content on top of that. It has the modern econ system and Guangdong, but does not have Atlantropa.Rises Again is an early, originalist fork that keeps Atlantropa. It lacks all modern mechanics, but that could be a plus depending on your preferences. It also adds lots of cut content from leaked builds.Get either of them. Both are good, just go with whatever sounds better and avoid the nudev version.
https://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdfYet Another Proposal (France Edition)
Coal from YouTube comments section >Besides [Burgundy, the Oil Crisis, Japan gaining literally anything in the Pacific, etc] the devs will pretty much keep certain tidbits of TNO lore, such as Bukharin somehow failing to lead the Soviet Union to victory, Operation Sea Lion magically succeeding despite US and British naval superiority over the Germans, the Russian Anarchy/Smuta, Japan winning alongside the rest of the Axis Powers, and the Iberian Union. Those things will stay part of the mod forever, unlike, say, Burgundy or old Africa lore.Is xe right, /tno/?
>>2241176Despite what people might tell you, the allies weren't an invincible army that doesn't care about civilians or the opinion of the masses. The majority of things that happened in History are "unrealistic" already.
>>2241061>Rapes you>Send you to the APC nigger cafeShut up cracker
>>2241176Wasn't the SeaLion in the chopping block? And it would break the whole narrative, since now Britain wouldn't be a occupied state anymore (But the murican still gassed the coast)
From the burgundian eulogy>one can envision a France with an actual army,that can potentially assist the Reich in various proxy wars In which proxy wars again? I thought we don't do that unrealistic and implausible "war" thing anymore?
>>2241268Proxy wars that only exist in the GUI?
>>2241269>from time to time a decision pops up that removes 1000 manpower, ostensibly to send theem to some german GUI """"""""war"""""""""" that you have no reason to care about>if you click it, you get reich approval points>if you don't click it, you get reich disapproval points>neither has any relevance whatsoever since the skeleton only lasts until 1966 anywayNot that it will ever be released of course but damn their proposal are so riveting I'm about to fucking burst with excitement
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>>2241329
Revamp? Another?https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3605637249
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>>2241369Okay that's it.
>>2241166lmao they took DV in the ass and wrote another proposal.>>2241268They'll send PP to help Germany in the Mgushu Lake skirmish in Africa, stupid.
>>2241290The Burgundian Eulogy isn't a proposal though. It reads like an Isis hostage video where a France dev is made to explain why he's happy that Lamounier's deleting everything he worked on. You can read it in the OP. It's insane
>>2241166You're telling me they have enough people to write a 180 pages proposal for one country but no one to code anything ? Wth is that dev team lol
Does anyone know what happened to the Mango Campaign Trail mod? I remember seeing a post a few months ago saying he was going to release one last mod to focus on TNO, but there's been no news since. Is he unable to release even a TCT mod in time?
>>2241864Former France member here.You don't need a lot of people to write a proposal. Many of the really big ones were written by a small number of people. Likewise you don't need a lot of people to code something. Since TNO isn't releasing much any more that I can point to as evidence, just look at Requiem. Small team, handful of dedicated coders, but they still managed to finish most of Omsk in a few months of coding (after years of 0 progress) and then went on to finish South Africa's expansion, also in a few months. And on top of that, they fixed a lot of the problems TNO had for years but never addressed like certain units not working. But let's take an even better example: Rises Again is mostly coded by one (1) autist on Kiwi Farms. On the other extreme end of things: All of TFR was conceived of and released in a shorter time than Germany has been reworked.To put it bluntly: it is NOT a manpower issue. People need to stop thinking this.Tags in TNO get nowhere because the entire mod is being reworked with all reworks being moving, ever changing targets. Germany gets a rework, Burgundy gets removed, Germany gets plot armor, France gets its empire back, DV gets integrated. At every one of those steps France has to be reworked and a lot of the old content has to be reworked. Proposals get rewritten to account for all changes with the history sections usually surviving and getting bloated out. Smatter in some small things like ideologies being removed/reworked and now you see why, despite a team size in the hundreds, all you're getting any more is Chilean Antarctica while every other mod is getting real updates. It's not a manpower issue, it's a nudev issue.
>>2223038>VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!I have no fucking clue what this game is but president Schlafly must be hell on earth.
>>2241870Apparently its confirmed to drop today at 9PM>>2241901Do you have any word on if Iberia will be dropped this month?
>>2241901Join Requiem then, help them get their shit off the ground so we actually get a playable fucking France in TNO
>>2242073My guess is that it either gets shadow dropped around christmas with the typical batch of leaks arround that time of year or some time in q1 of 2026
>>2242115Not sure how the whole thing works but any predictions of when the next Japan or USA leak will drop?
>>2241166Do you have the Algeria doc linked?
>>2241864There's currently 88 "designers" on the team compared to 45 coders. Only around 10 of them have pushed anything to the git in the last week, of which 90% of commits are coming from the same 3 people. They're far more interested in it as a world building project than actually making anything
>>2242073It's unlikely it will drop this year. It's being tested now but considering there are proxies still being worked on I'd expect a release early next year.
>>2242128I have no clue I was just speculating. But if you were to ask me I expect a lot of germany leaks rather than japan or america since Vote pig is not very far in dev right now and japan dev has been dead for a long time unfortunately. Its a shame that japan doesn’t get development since it’s probably the most interesting part of the mod
>>2242166bumping for this, it said you needed access for the algeria doc when the link was in there. I hope we can create a majority pied noir algeria in tno
>>2242112No interest in touching anything TNO related but happy to watch it burn.
>>2242073>Mango's latest centrist wankpiece dropping todayWe really need to get a TCT thread crossover going to get a glimpse into just how absolutely horrible VP will get.
>>2242242Understandable and respectable.
On a not-so-different-note, has TWR become any less boring and pozzed? Does Russia have anything post-unification? Can you still basically euthanize your run by stomping civil war Germany 1 year into the game?
>>2241901Hello Einstein
>>2242210Nudevs would never allow that.
>>2230056The chart is really old, and the full doc was just finished a few months ago. There is no up-to-date chart, the Japan team decided it would give people too many preconceptions.>>2231216They aren't cutting Goken Conservatism>>2232495Pro-System route destroys the whole faction before the midgame crisis so wouldn't be possible. The people involved may come back with Tanaka though?
>>2243192There seens to be a discrepancy between the rework docs we have and some of the things the devs have said in the Discord, especially in regards to stuff like an Ikeda path and lack of Sato path. Just how old is the proposal we have compared with the newest one?
>They're reworking tags so often and severely that there are several wildly contradicting versions out there>"We have no idea if the recent proposal is up to date any more"We're so fucking cooked.
Does anyone have the Germany V&J proposal doc ?
The word "rework" implicitly states that the object being reworked has existed prior to the rework, since one cannot make changes to something that does not yet exist. Therefore even their use of this word is in itself misleading and disingenuous - they're not reworking anything because they've never worked it into existence to begin with
>France has only one monarchist path which is a fail state in the end where everyone is le heckin sad I should stop feeling bad for tno devs. They deserve everything they get and much more
>>2243523Wrong, sadly. It's often correctly used. Lots of content was scrapped when half-finished or nearly finished and the KiwiFarms redux has made it their bread and butter to apply final touches to leaked builds and then releasing it. Easily thousands of hours by coders, artists and writers have often gone to waste because of the nudevs and their constantly changing whims. If only you knew how reworked things truly are.
>>2243243All of the Japan proposals were leaked immediately upon being submitted to the wider devcord. They represent what the team is working on presently.
>>2243192>Pro-System route destroys the whole faction before the midgame crisis so wouldn't be possibleNOOooEven less reasons to play the Pro-System branch then, only Fukuda is mildly entertaining
For some reason no Assunuma or techno fasc portraits but if you translate its them.
>>2243949I'm sure that must do wonders for morale.>>2244076It just keeps getting more boring.
When would you put your money on PW release?
>>2244208Never but since the odds are 1:1 I doubt I'll win much.
>>2242073>they managed to not get a TCT release in timeyeah its nudevover
>>2243961Kawashima owns the poors by running the GDP growth steamroll over them and the CPS
V&J more like Vagina lmao gotim
>>2243376God I wish we did >>2244076Correct me if i’m wrong here but isn’t techno fascism basically the same thing as reform bureaucracy?
>>2244895Yes, it's a renamed version of it. It's been renamed multiple times possibly.
Mango can't even release a tct mod lol its several days late now
>>2245244So I asked in the TCT thread and apparently it wasn't meant to release the other day: >>2242512Not familiar with any of this really so I can't tell if it's real or if I'm being baited. The Mangooner not being able to release shit on time isn't exactly a major event anyway, Vote Pige has been in the oven for longer than I was in college.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3605932804tno LOST
>>2245410slowpoke_aninated.jpg
>>2245410vggghhh... kino....
>>2241864ADND2 type developers, they all want to talk about it philosophically
>>2244196Seens like Japan lead doesn't mind the leaking. In fact, main issue is less the leaking itself but the underlying signs of rot and discontent. If TNO were doing well I don't think Asia dev in general would care
I’m developing a submod right now to update the manchuria skeleton content to be more in line with the dev documents we have here. My current progress has been thus • Removing sejima as a country leader, replacing him with park chung hee, along with adding a custom description and a new trait. •editing the sejima cabinet to reflect the new korean names and replacing the defence minister with paik sun yup This doesn’t sound like much and it probably isn’t, But I have never coded before so this is a big deal for me personally. My current goals are to make sure the party leaders align so sejima leads the kwantung army instead of katakura and changing the main fascism party’s name after the coup to NSC (have had problems with this one). I also plan on adding new national spirits ported from the manchuria leaked versions and adding some of my own making
>>2246648>Not caring about all your shit instantly leakingYep, morale can't be great over there.
>>2246777I'm in the dev server, and the social channels are a lot quieter than they used to be, even though there are more members now. Morale seems fine among the active folks, but a lot of people seem to have checked out.
>>2246652any assistance with coding, designing icons, and writing events and descriptions would be very very much appreciated
>>2246829God bless the last few loyal Mangoites, they're the volksturm of modern TNO.
>>2241591Can you say which is the name/link name? The OP has so many links that browsing it is hellish
>>2247016Why there is so many Werhmaboo loli art? Never understood the phenomenon, specially when they are mostly draw by japsIn comparison there is fewer Imperial Japan lolis
>>2247689Imperial japan simply didn’t have the aura that nazi german did. Simple as
>>2247657https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdfIt's literally in the description, try hitting ctrl-f next time you think about asking for something as most leaks have the country names listed.>>2247689GUP has a Japanese school too you know.
does anyone have the Turkestan Legion leaks from a few months ago? with the American playing Lawrence Of Arabia path
>>2248351
>>2248558 It's hilarious how Wang Jingwei Thought is more popular in TNO than Mao Zedong Thought irl.
>>2248720Why would it be widespread anyways? He'd be on the same level of Quisling in terms of being a sellout collaborator.
>>2248837Idk the devs seem kinda schizo if RGOC should be a rapidly modernizing state or a borderline failed state. Based on my interactions with the China dev he prefers the latter so it's a bunch of other people putting in WJT all over the place.
>>2248837Someone posted a screenshot from Reddit about a year back explaining it. At the time at least it was something about how the government just propped it up a lot. Take of that what you will. They may have figured out a better reason since then though.
>>2248883If it's the latter then how do you explain the supposed "real" GAW? They somehow turn into a state capable of dealing with China in just 20 years?
>>2225728>Afrika AddioKino of the highest order, I wish that Requiem could rebuild it and post on GitHub as a submod for it.
>>2249295>China should be a destitute shithole there's no way they could beat JapanMaybe we could witness Japan getting some plot armor too? Nothing ever happens chads, we'll be eating good in the future especially since none of the updates will drop, ever.>>2249529You might actually have some luck with making it happen if you pitch it to the RA people and figure out how to clean it up just enough to not get it removed from the Workshop.
>>2249295>>2249674Looking at how manchuria industrialized quickly, I think the japanese would be willing to industrialize china with limits. Theres a lot of investment and economic opprutunity to do that so its kinda realistic that china would grow a bit strong
>>2249529How good it was?>>2225728
>>2249674There was a guy with a kiwi account in this thread, he better still be here.>>2249709TND, distilled.
>>2249730>TND, distilled.what
>>2249749I think ayrt responded to the wrong post.
>>2249765probably
>>2249715>>2249765>>2249776Yeah no, you actually orchestrated a genocide of the African continent, and it was fucking peak.>>2249749Oops, sorry.
>>2248558I've been out of the loop for years now on tno is this being made by the main team
>>2249715It only got one release. I don't know if it was that "good", I think people are more interested in the idea of AA than the actual mod. All I remember of it was that you could go beyond devastation level 3 and that you had a genocide progress bar. Honestly if they just reworded and restructured some of the content they could make it fly. It was banned so hard that it's practically lost media at this point.>>2249869That thing leaked before any of the reduxes were even a thing so yeah if it's real it's the main team that are removing all of their old content and replacing it with something else that you'll never ever be able to play.
>>2249749Total Niggers Death, basically.>>2249529I don't think Requiem would have the ball to rebuild it, even if they did, it's going to get shutdown really fast on steam workshop.
>>2249890>BallsThat's like saying "you don't have the balls to kill yourself". No one wants to touch it because the mod got banned off the entire Internet dude. It's just common sense.
>>2249889Yeah, you can make some vile stuff in the workshop, you just need to paint it properly and not use certain wordsI recall a certain EAW mod where Hitler and the Fuher Bunker crew get isekai'ed into the poneyland.They can conquer the whole Equestrian continent,enslave poneys, clip their wings and multilate them to make them docile and powerless, and more. But you never get full detail in certain things (Goring apparently rapes a few ponygirls while in a morphine high, Himmler make a patchwerk of Changelings and so on)
>>2249912>Goring rapes ponysWhat the actual fuck is going on in EAW.
>>2249979Precisely what you'd expect them to.
>>2249979He was high.Besides, that submod is within it's own corner. People don't like talking much about it because of the implications.
>>2223034Yippie leak from BiliBili btw.Honestly, seeing this, I kind of get what they meant when they replaced Romney with Fong. Establishment Republicans nominating liberal Republicans had to stop after a certain point, so his character seems more appropriate.
>>2250038is it the valhalla one?
I hope the Supreme Court actually does stuff and affects the game in vote pig.
>>2250163>Every Republican event is full of the author's seething and butthurt Never change.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/no-compromise-no-surrender-patch-notes.1868750/>no TNOTNO has truly fallen
>>2250839Kaiserchads once again crushing TNO devniggers.
>>2250839>EAW was there but then got removedCopyright lawyers strike again
>>2250839Is that fucking Xi Jiping?
>>2250163I just can't.
>>2253123Vote Swine just gets worse and worse.
>>2253123I don't get what this means, am I retarded?
>>2253123Gus is now epilogue vaporwave?>>2253191Epilogue for USA, seems Hall is epilogue fodder now, either that or his mandate will be a nothing burger
Since HOI4 changed how doctrine works and now have a faction menu, I wonder if one of those things gonna break how TNO runs, since the devs are lazy af, no implementing features that have been added 4+ years ago from banilla
>>2253232He was always going to be a nothing burger. The original plan would've had him just be a lame duck.>>2253238They'll just find a way to hug it like everything else like when they broke Balance of Power from vanilla.
>>2253232epilogue just means the epilogue for the events of the character
>>2253291I see, so Gus can be jailed during his run?Also, I never understood why Gus gets glazed so hard by the nu-clique, when he was a very irrelevant figure back then and his ideas weren't even novel at the time, unlike mr lamppostHe's funni, but they fellate him like the nu-left do with Macron
Claim your President-WaifuFrom left to right:Nixon, JFK, Wallace, RFK, Harrington, LBJ, Bennett, Chase, Hart, Yockey, Goldwater, Hall and Glenn.
>>2253332Gus looks like an Ojou-sama here.Would pump deep while she yaps about billionaries
>>2253332Yockey.
>>2253332Hall looks cool but I love how enthusiastic Glenn looks.>Route deleted forever
>>2253332Hall for sure, let's get those oligarchs!
powerfulhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3607413002
>>2254255The comment section is on-point.
>>2239248Not that uncommon in south America.
is it possible to play leaked builds? And how?
>>2254334they are at the top of the thread, create a new mod with the launcher and set the version to 1.12, unzip the mod file, and copy paste the descriptor into the new mod folder and your done. You might have to copy paste all the files in there
EVERY single convo on the tno discord revolving TNO RA is literally just this, "tno ra added major content updates""well kiwifarms users are all NAZIs"
>>2255707Literally true
>>2255707>Isn't Japan complete LOL. LMAO.
>>2255707This guy's the saltiest motherfucker on the planet. All he seems to do is seethe at every other mod out there, be it reduxes or things like TFR. And of course they're all le ebil nazi chuds.
>>2255850Wasn't there one who said that the DV update pissing of everyone on twitter was acutally a good thing? Lmao the nu-fans might even be worse than the nu-devs
>>2256012You're thinking about this guy but there were others too.
>>2256012>>2256300The "I'm totally not mad" post compilation. Enjoy.
>>2254844I moved all the files to the mod folder as you said, the launcher sees the mod, but the game launches vanilla. i also tried to add “path=...”,but it didnt solve the problem
>>2256415check the descriptor file, if not idk, hold on let me get the guide that helped me out since it’s been a while
>>2254255>>2254286>Two years of content.No even Britain, not even fucking Antartician Chile was this cucked
>>2255707>>2255850Is this guy a CM or just a literal who? If the latter, please, stop posting him
>>2256534It's just some guy's submod. I don't think you can rake them over the coals for that. The UK and Antarctica content were done by large-ish teams that then went on to receive help from an even bigger team with hundreds of members. If anything it says more about the rest of the mod that some rando can nearly match them.>>2256536Frolocking is listed on their Steam page as an author of the mod, something they only do for people in leadership positions.
>>2256557different frolicking, this guy works for big weld's mod
>>2256610So you're telling me that this guy's so fucking retarded that he uses the same name and profile picture as one of TNO's lead devs and actively antagonizes the community and this is somehow just accepted? That's too stupid even for these people.
>>2256691they already antagonize the community themselves, not much change
>>2256304>Chuds and retards in the qts crying and shitting themselves because they're going to have to learn proper african history and cold war dynamics.>Proper african history and cold war dynamics.Because I'm sure the continent would ended the exact same way with the exact same political issues if decolonization hadn't happened as it did in OTL.
>>2256962Pretty much every single sub saharan state (except botswana those niggers alright) barely avoided complete collapse even with europe and america funding them. In TNOTL there should be hundreds of ethnostates butchering each other instead of somehow keeping OTL borders.
>>2256962That comment stood out to me too. It really is emblematic of the problems plaguing this mod. What is it about alt history as a genre that they don't get? The Nazis won the war, yet an entire continent didn't change one iota. It really is bizarre.
I got bored and churned out a half baked submod for TNO manchuria. I was able to create custom descriptions and traits for the characters at one point but an update wiped those out. Main issues im facing are national spirits and minister icons not showing up, but traits and descriptions work fine. The main goal of this mod is to push the date of the puje death up,add a couple of unique national spirits, and a gdp buffhere is the link, go nuts https://files.catbox.moe/uiztdc.zip
>>2257706btw it’s just sejima content, I didn’t do the rest
Does anyone have the full leaked Uk flowchart? I remember it being posted in a earlier thread.
>>2257706Post on workshop bruv, more people need to experience it
>>2258604i’m not going to post a half baked mod on the workshop, it wouldn’t be right. Plus all it is right now is cosmetic and even then the new ministers don’t show up and neither do the new nat spirits
>>2258729The only reason I posted it here so I could get some actually experienced people to help me out on it because i have no experience with modding
>>2258734>>2258729More reason to post there desu. Either that or ask on Requiem devcord. Lots of mods started as proof of concept there and evolved later. Asking for help here won't bear much fruits, most dev anons here left
I'd like to see one hoi4 mod dev that could get away with saying that about the TNO devs in public
>>2260277Shit's actually beyond parody now.
>>2260277>QPQ's Longist butthurtThe reason why he can get away with it is because TNO's leads are already hated and seen as bad people throughout the entire community. It's not that he "got away" with anything. It's more like pissing into a river of piss. People called him retarded, he made a fake apology on Xitter, life goes on with him still being hated and avoided for being a drama whore. Him and his colleagues are already pigs in shit in a pigsty no one really wants to get close to any more so that's where it starts and stops.
>>2260323So bizarre to overhype a racist new dealer lib like this. Is it just the contrarianism due to KR glazing?
>>2260337No he's just a terminally online radcentrist retard. Based on a heap of screenshots posted over the years he seems to think that everyone outside of his narrow liberal view is Hitler or - clearly a million times worse - nothing less than Richard Nixon incarnate. It's not complicated at all, it's just what happens when you're in a political echo chamber for too long.
>>2258734>I don't know anything about modding but I have some big ideas>No I won't learn anything, I'm going to spam and beg other people to work on my mod for free while I issue commands and my contributions will amount to being an idea guy
>>2260535Peak nudev material desu. Bonus points if he knows nothing about the game to the point where he'd be unable to make anything come together. Just a total liability.
>>2260337Huey wasn't even racist.If he was, he would've allied with the Klan like so many other Southern politicians, but he didn't.That's what makes this even more hilarious. Literally none of QPQ's seething about Huey Long is actually about things he did or said. It's all guilt by association, or even fucking vibes.
So, how's Requiem outside of the South African war?
>>2261148New Russian content is fun and they did a lot of balance changes and bug fixes so the mod is overall more playable than TNO. Not golden yet or anything but it's alright.
>>2261148I mean, tanks aren't made of wet tissue paper anymore so that's good.
>>2261148Mann is now playable. Deus Vult, Teuton
>>2261148Looks like ass. I'm sorry but I can't be hyped by a 2 year old shitty submod. I won't be playing south africa either since it just ends after the war and anc and boers have no content
Note for anyone playing Requiem, on the main menu there is a button that says temporarily disabled. It's got a fun easter egg when you click it.
>>2237349I need to fuck her.
I played this in late 2023 as one of the German Africa factions, whichever has a guy who keeps on complaining about the fan breaking in his events. I assume the issue is it got removed or reworked to be even MORE comically racist? When I played it you would eventually lose no matter what
>>2264314No, they're removing all of that content and replacing it with historically accurate post-colonial African nations that you can wage low stakes proxy wars in.
>>2264357Historically accurate, because surely the decolonization of africa and all the underlying political issues would happen the exact same way as irl.Nudevs can go choke on a dick.
>>2223034Does anyone have the full-sized image of the original Demchugdongrub portrait before the changed it to that gay version? Can't find the full-sized image anywhere on the internet.
>>2268629I've been keeping backups of old versions of TNO since 2020 and this should be what you're looking for. Both are nearly identical so I included both just to be sure. One is from V1.0 and seems to be the version you were after, the other's a bit later and should be what Rises Again uses.Hope that helps, anon!
>>2249979Self-insertion.
Finally got the Hall flowchart, dont think this is finished but its enough to make me never forgive the retarded nudevs for having turned one of the most interesting characters into being able to do nothing. https://files.catbox.moe/wc3nax.png
>>2269487>You either become a """social democrat""" or you loseI HATE LIBERALS I HATE LIBERALS I HATE LIBERALS.
>>2268718My, my... thank you, Anon! I kneel.
>>2269487LMAO holy shit everything either has you become a miserable (literally he gets depressed) establishment leftist or get impeached so that the centrists can "restore normality". It's even lamer than when he was just meant to be a lame duck. This is like someone making a parody of TNO's shtick. They even added the zero states ending from their old TCT mod!
>>2269713A parody would be more interesting than this shit, mango can go kill himself
>>2269713Can anyone give me the full Yippie lolcow team list?I only know of Mango and QPQ. I want to make sure to blame the right people so the dev team doesn't go boy who cried wolf if we blamed the wrong one. If possible also include why they are a POS. Thanks
>>2269786Look at the Vote Pig doc. All main writers and designers are listed for each route. Just cross reference it with their Discord to make sure they're still on the team. Mango and QPQ are the main culprits though.
>>2269713The only way you win is by embracing FDR and the democratic party, the same FDR whose appointments praised Mussolini. What did Mango and QPQ mean by this?
>>2269487> He can not win any states
>>2269487Damn hall was actually one of the vp paths I was excited for. Sucks that you either become a succdem or lose. They should make it so you can turn the feb crisis into a 2nd American revolution if you play it right.
>>2270198>They should make something happenNothing ever happens.
>>2269957
>>2269487Nice try Mango
>>2269786Go on the TCT site, sort by highest players, look at the credits, remove 'Ettingermentum' (not a TNO dev, just a twitter attention-addict) and 'Astronomics' (TCT's lead) and it's pretty much all of them
>>2269487>Hall is a glorified fail statePlease God let this be this the actual plan and not some dev falseflag I need to get moralized on the evils of AmeriKKKan capitalism
>>2269487This is peak....
>>2269487See this really pisses me off, because Hall is supposed to be a SCARY path. He's not outright evil the way Yockey is but his full-throttle actions are catastrophic for both America and himself. He should make you question how far you're willing to go. Are you ready to destroy civil society and unleash the mob?He's not supposed to be a wholesome socdem, that's Harrington. He should have the option to have really hardcore things.
>>2269487
Playing Last Light and I have to ask, how do you win? No air force, less manpower and smaller army compared to the Schild, volunteers either twiddle their dicks around cape or get constantly recalled and resent and finally, navy is irrelevant. Do I just abandon everything and try to hold around Cape?
>>2271981It's meant to be a very desperate defense with you gradually getting stronger over time as America & co chips in. Try to create as strong defensive lines as possible but don't be afraid to retreat to a next river line or something else when things get tough. Holy out for long enough and you'll eventually get strong enough to tip the scales in your favor and eventually push the enemy back.
>>2269837Christ do they have to have that fucking pig every page?So we have the standard of Mango and QPQ still on the team. There is also Concommie but ive never heard of him or KaiserLinkThis Happy Warrior guy isnt on the server so idk if he is still on the team, same with TargaiI think KingOfPandas was the canada lead (idk) before he quit so idk who took up rockefellerObummer I remeber seeing him in the coping about reduxes tweets but it looks like he is not on the dev team anymore as he has no roles on the discordIf there is any I'm missing please add onto this or if i got anything wrong. Thanks
>>2269487Unironically this just mean the congress are in total control of the US government and not the President, which mean Democracy is a sham and electing a radical by the will of the people means nothing at all because the Congress can impeached them.
By the way, do we have any word from the Requiem devs on how long it'll take them to update to the newest hoi4 patch?
>>2272558>Unironically this just mean the congress are in total control of the US government and not the President, which mean Democracy is a sham and electing a radical by the will of the people means nothing at all because the Congress can impeached them.I didn't know Mango Fruits were this retarded.
>>2272558That's why it is a REPUBLIC
>>2272751Republic just means non monarchy.
>>2272753The way Americans have it, I can sense a disdain for common democracy, I can see they want to differ from say the Europeans
>>2269487>I still remember my first game in years back then>Your GUI was such a brave and stunning step>But now your Italy has lost all of its Red...Oh-a, oh-a!>You were the biggest in the whole community>Expanding on the genre of alt-hist fantasy>Imagination that you left in povertyOh-a, oh-a!>I met your fan baseOh-a, oh-a!>What did they tell us?TFR killed the TNO star!TFR killed the TNO star!>DB came and broke your modOh-a-a-a-oh>The count of your designers rapidly ballooned>Reworks have overtaken everything you do>And now the Requiem will sing this tune for youOh-a, oh-a!>You kicked your codersOh-a, oh-a!>So you deserved thisTFR killed the TNO star!TFR killed the TNO star!>In my Men and in my Hart>We can't revert, we've pushed too farOh-a-a-a-ohOh-a-a-a-ohTFR killed the TNO star!TFR killed the TNO star!>In my Men and in my Hart>We can't revert, we've pushed too far>DB came and broke your mod>Yippie just won't fix it up...You are no longer a star...You are no longer a star...
>>2273054I can't be mad. High effort shitpost. Some of the rhymes were even witty to offset the cringe.
>I can't be mad. High effort shitpost. Some of the rhymes were even witty to offset the cringe
>>2273054Someone AI this into an actual song.
>>2273159Oh c'mon, some of them were alright. We've had worse song parodies. If you hate it, make a better one, anon! Not like we have any actual content to talk about.
>>2272558That's probably the point. Most of Hall's endings talk about how America is not really going to be the same after him because of this struggle between the executive and the legislative branches of government.
>>2269487I'd rather 10X Hall getting scrapped than his gameplay being CBT sessions into becoming a depressed establishment socdem
>>2274629For real, Yockey got the better deal.
>>2272558I know that this is bait, but even in the retarded VP 1972 lore he doesn't win a single state, only wins DC due to the elector defections and has both parties somehow agree on electing him instead of just electing whoever controls the most state delegations, he probably gets single digits of the total popular vote, hardly wanted by the general public!
the new order? more like things never occur
>"Skill issue", said LBJ
Someone post the UK flowchart please.
>>2276695Why are people still posting screenshots from 2020 yr content instead of something new?
>>2276984>Why are people posting screenshots from 2020>Instead of something newThe mod hasn't had a proper update in three and a half years.
>>2276984Honestly, doing CIA shenanigans as the USA is some of the most fun this mod has to offer.
>>2276984what's new? antarctic grid? god that's boring.
textpost because i can't fucking upload pics for some reasonGood afternoon everyone! We’d like to make an announcement clarifying our upcoming projects and releases. There are three groups:The first group, composed of content for Kardashev, Omsk Post-Nuclear, Italy Skeleton, and Tsar and Soviets; will be coming in the relatively near future. No dates yet.The second group, composed of content for Petlin, China, and Sweden & Finland skeletons, are things we are hard at work on but will take a bit longer to come out.The third group we are not sure of a timeline, but wanted to keep the community aware of: Song of Siberia, ATAS, Italy, AMPU, Onega, and Suriname. For this group we have provided slightly more detailed descriptions.The dev working on SoS has stopped working on the project. As all other devs are busy at the moment, this has lead to SoS's development being indefinitely halted, and as such, it will be removed from the map. This is not a cancelation, as we will re-add it as soon as someone else picks it up. If you are interested in applying to do this, please let us know.
>>2277495ATAS is primarily the passion project of a single developer. It has no definite release date due to this, and it is expected to be ready largely when the developer is done with it.Italy is a large country that deserves excellent content. So we want to take as much time as we need to work on it.AMPU has a truly massive scope, and this will obviously take time for us to complete to an appropriate standard.Onega is being worked on by a single dev who is also assisting with other projects, and will take time.Suriname, much like ATAS and Onega, is another project being worked on mostly by a single developer, though it has the benefit of the backlog of Heldenvolk content to draw on.In all of these cases, expect development news to be fairly sporadic at times, but do not view this as a cancelation of these projects. We remain hard at work on TNO: Requiem, and will have new content (including an announcement of the next update) ready soon!
>>2277500What is AMPU?
>>2277628Seconded and what's ATAS as well?
>>2277628AMPU is the Requiem America rework, ATAS is the Tuva Brezhnev mod. Of AMPU, there was a single image leaked in the past with some weird presidential choices in it, and nothing beyond that, so it's likely that was just the very first draft or spitballing that several anons took as "Requiem is doomed" but there's plenty of anons were saying that with some sincerity.Seems like TLL shut them up though.
Can we get a Goldwater or Wallace focus tree leak?
>>2277679Please for the love of God, I hope you change things up a lot from the leaks. I don't hate your mod, but what even is the point of a rework if you're just going to have a bunch of centrist routes that do nothing just like in TNO's rework?Just save yourselves the time at that point and fix up the original routes at that point. It really seems like a waste of time to do so much just for it to be so close to what Rises Again does but without the good content.
post the UK flowchart that was on the previous thread.
>>2278211Here it is. This is the most recent one, but it's probably all rewoorked now.
>>2278211>>2278956wrong pichttps://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png
>>2278961Lokey I dislike the idea of a collab uk going into a pro ofn stance with wilson, Germany would chimp the fuck out and by the 70s it would jeprodize the slowly thawing relations between germany and the ofn. The only reasonable choice imo is probably that britain remains an explicitly neutral power rather than pro ofn, also dv kinda changes things since the british empire might have bad relations with the us due to american money and influence being behind anti colonial and anti white terror groups in africa
>>2278961>Years later>The only progress they've made to this latest rework is adding more plans to TNO2 content they'll never deliver>None of this matters because there are no wars and all you can do is influence the border skirmish between Ngumbustan and UgumbustanHow have they not killed themselves out of shame already?>>2279414>also dv kinda changes thingsWorse. The devs themselves said that DV is utterly incompatible their current lore and setup. DV has more or less completely destroyed huge swathes of the mod the mod all because the lead is friends with Mango.
Why are the devs so butthurt about making their mod that realistic ? The old lore didn't make sense and they could've rewrite it, change a few things but why are they so keen about scrapping so much paths for the sake of it ? If these nudevs were actually efficient at giving updates I feel like this shit would be TWR but in the 60s right now, are they on some "our mod is a piece of art and we are entitled to polish it as much as necessary" tgwr type syndrome ?
>>2279517Because they believe there are better stories to be told going that route. This wouldn't be an issue if the mod had a regular release schedule and they didn't scrap and redo every idea they come up with.
>>2279528>there are better stories to be told going that routeClearly it isn't working, then
>>2279517Because the devs hate the mod's origins and the fans they inherited and want to do their own thing. Mango, the current lead, is a good example. He just wants to use HOI4 as a platform for his TCT stories and even recycle old TCT mods for Vote Pig, all of which is just OTL politics but with the Republicans being comically evil.>>2279528It'd actually be a huge problem still since they did a 180 on everything the mod was about. The correct answer would've been to simply make their own mod. Using Mango as an example again, he made successful mods for the other game which is more narratively focused. They should all have done that instead of skinwalking a more popular mod for a more popular game. Now they're stuck with a community that hates them after trying and failing to trade out one fan base for another. Turns out that the market of people who don't want any wars in a war game is slim.
>>2279414If UK wants to gain meaningful distance from Germany the only way is to throw itself into the arms of Uncle Sam. No one in NSDAP would tolerate Britain suddenly breaking free when it was essentially a satellite just a year ago. Without an american guarantee it would be Sealion 2.0.
>>2279414South Africa learned the hard way that neutrality doesn't mean shit to the nazis.
Are they gonna have red Britain work with the ofn? Why would the communist (specifically the trot guy) work with the capitalist?
>>2277807There was a focus tree flowchart leaked on npp funny for Wallace and Goldwater.Wallace: https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/comments/1c9rzym/leaked_new_wallace_tree/Goldwater: https://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/comments/1ca7v9z/leaked_full_goldwater_tree/
>someone managed to make a good tno spongebob modokays thats it im going to make tno undertale edition
>>2280561Because America is a Force for Good™ and has been funding commies across the world. Unless they're reworking that out in Vooooot Pig.
>>2280676Someone on TNO discord compared modern TNO to the catholic church during reformation that is so weak and corrupt that literally everyone is making their own tno and throwing jabs at nudevs
>>2280831That's actually quite on-point and profound. Would that make Requiem into mainline Lutheran Protestantism? Where would all the other reworks end up being? Rises Again would have to be some kind of hardcore originalist movement.
>>2280831Hope that they at least do like the Catholic Church and decide to reform itself after realizing that yeah, they are their mod sucks
>>2280860>Requiem = protestantism>RA = reformed/puritans>Tno community expansion (or whatever it's called) = some nonconformist sect>PNO = gnosticism
>>2280890but gnosticism is way older than catholicism, it even existed before Christianity itself as a jewish sect
>>2280888As if the nudevnigger clique of powertripping discord faggots will somehow willingly give up power to a reformer."Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." Applies hereThey now have fucked up so hard they have now got established competition set in their own universe that already puts them to shame and will soon bypass them.
>>2280897
>>2280916God forbid someone wants to fight the evil Demiurge
>>2280908First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win
Never forget how absolutely smug and elitist the devniggers were until they created their own competition. Not just reduxes like Requiem but new mods like TFR wouldn't have happened either without them behaving like this and leaving the goal open by self destructing their own mod like they did.
>>2280917
>>2281050Never doubt TNO devs.
>>2280908I have more hope than you do in the newfag clique falling and its all thanks do DV. Think about, do you think the tech and art leads would like to be harassed for an update they had no control over? You think the 200 or something other devs had a say on the choice to integrate DV? No it was only Mango and his cult of personality. The question is not if heads will roll over the DV flop but how many. I don't know if someone in that team is a "reformer". Maybe AB i haven't heard anything bad about him. Hopefully there are many in that team who realize they need to pull the breaks. But I'm certain those voices will be and have been silenced.
>>2278961can you repost it doesnt work anymore and i wasnt here when you responded to my post.
>>2280651Released 2 years ago? God, someone must have RFK's or Hubert's tree atp.
>>2282019nvm it works now
>>2281862Most of the reform-minded people already left. Heck, Requiem was founded by one of them. The ones still on the team are by and large hardcore Mangoites because everyone else was purged or chased out since he took over the mod and made it clear that radical centrism was the name of the game. Either that or a neutral that's just around for the vibes. You're not going to see positive change out of either group, sadly. The mod is dead due to Mango and the smarter ones like Corn already jumped ship.The one thing I do agree on is that DV will cause things to change but only because I think it'll cause the mod to collapse. I mean just look at the reaction to the reveal. It'll be grim.
>>2277046I'll have you know, CHUD, that the Guangdong content was actually kind of fun and that the devs spent TENS of minutes in Wikipedia to build the most insipid skeleton tree for Mexico. One of the most important non-aligned countries and they weren't able to at least do something interesting with it.
>>2278961I actually quite like that version. Would be nice if required could use it as a framework because base tno will never add it.
>>2282934Don't you mean Requiem? If so I'd prefer if they actually added some more content on top of that like having Britain be able to intervene in the 2WRW more meaningfully and things of that nature.
Anyone knows around when will the iberian facelift be released ? Christmas update or 2026 ? Also what's the status on the turkish update, did the team give up ?
>>2284220>IberiaThe last leaks guesstimated around Christmas but we were supposed to be getting V&J around Christmas too or so a dev claimed earlier in the year. Smart money is on 2026. It seems like something that could actually release unlike most of their planned updates.>TurkeyBy all accounts the team collapsed at some point due the endless reworks and the loss of several key devs. It's possible that they reconstituted by now but if it happened we'll end up seeing an even more neutered flowchart than the last one.
i hope by some Christmas miracle V&J and Iberia drop on christmas but if we cant get that im hopeful itll be a January-April Release. Or maybe Iberia now and V&J a couple months after.
>>2284337I also hope that maybe when Iberia and V&J drop it may restore some faith in the team and maybe things wont be so blackpilled and shit.
>>2284337Iberia? Possibly. V&J? Yeah no that's not happening.>>2284342Why would V&J restore faith in the mod? It deletes Burgundy, likely reduces the number of Fuhrers to one unless they managed to quadruple Speer's progress in a few months, replaces the GCW with what we can only assume is a minigame and that's just scratching the surface. There are so many polarizing changes in the update that there's virtually no chance that it'd stabilize things.Iberia however might give them a positive news cycle at least.
>>2284419Because it would show the devs can actually release a big update for a major power and people by now have gotten over Burgundy/GCW removal annd are more pissed over Dv.
>>2284539I doubt people have gotten over it.Its just not a recent topic.When V&J releases there will be a new shitstorm because of the lack of gameplay compared to time spent in dev.Certainly doesnt help that they STILL arent entirely open about Burgundy being removed.
My drama senses are tickling. Something will happen soon that will cause major drama in atleast part of the community.I know it in my bones.
>>2284571Nothing ever happens
>>2284571I smell a nothingburger being cooked up
>>2269487>They keep mentioning TNO2 like that's ever going to happen
>>2284239And what about France, is it expected to release before or after V&J ? I looked at the previous french leak that got scrapped where Burgundy becomes a german occupation zone who turns into a french nationalist tag during the GCW, is that true that the requiem devs are actually going to use that for their own french/burgundy rework ? That shit would be peak, I crave for more european content
>>2284741Tossed into the eternal niggerdevhell.
>>2284539People haven't gotten over those as much as they just either stopped caring about TNO altogether or focused on more recent sore spots. It also doesn't help that TNO isn't doing anything to fill any of the voids left by all these unpopular decisions. Burgundy's removal would be less of a sore spot for people if they actually had Himmler Germany added but we're not getting anything of the sort.
>>2284337Speaking from inside the dev server, patches are structured into the following categories:-"Body Teams", tags that have a dedicated development team actively working on them.Current body teams are Germany, USA, Manchuria, Turkey, and Russia.USA is making steady progress, though it’s impossible to say if they have stuff ready for 2026 with how stop and start dev can be.Germany is progressing very slowly and often goes through long periods with little or no work being done, there is no chance of a Christmas release and it's unlikely you'll get anything in 2026 either considering it's already been stuck in dev hell for years.Manchuria has stalled, the dev channel is dead and the lead has been on “break” for months, basically no chance of a 2026 release at this stage.Turkey has recently shown signs of life again, with the lead working on mechanics, but the team is very small and is basically a one man team for nowRussia recently saw Corn step down as lead. New leads are in place, but things seem disorganized at the moment.- Then you have "Fine Tuning", tags enter this stage when they’re being finalized for release.Currently, the only tag in fine tuning is the Iberia facelift, where it has been for months. It’s still being worked on but is also being tested now, however a Christmas release seems unlikely. Once Iberia leaks begin to appear that's typically a sign you can expect it to release shortly after
>>2284906>US dev is the slave to Mango's political bipolarism>Germany in eternal dev hell>Manchuria lead might as well be gone>Russia in disarray>Turkey dev revived but it's a one man teamThis is just bleak.
It's TNOver
>>2284906Shouldn't they release DV before the US and German rework ? I can't get around my head just how much devhell these guys must be in, having to work on crisises that are going to get deleted soon and replaced with other content, either that or they have to wait for the DV team to finish the work .
>>2284906how are so many of these teams unmanned or inactive with how huge TNO is? Jesus Christ
>>2285131Ideas guys and 'writers'
>>2285129I want to know that as well. DV wrecks so much content for Germany and America that it's hard for me to wrap my mind around it. We know that they often cope and say that all prior content was "bad" and "unfinished" so it doesn't matter (see: Moscow), but they must've worked on SAW content for both for several years before DV even became a thing so turning things around is just nuts. It's not like the DV content is compatible with the SAW content either. You can't just take one of those minor conflicts and have it function as this huge war between America and the Nazi colonies.>>2285131Because TNO is a horribly mismanaged mess.
>>2285131TNO has set the bar so high for itself that it takes ages to actually design anything. We’ve got something like 80+ “designers” on the server, but people still feel like we’re short-staffed because just knowing a period of history or being into worldbuilding doesn’t automatically translate into being able to design solid gameplay. We’ve got around 40 coders, but only maybe a quarter are consistently active, mostly because everyone’s stuck waiting for someone to hand them work. Once a tag’s plans are actually locked in, things move pretty fast. The real slowdown for Iberia for example is loc prompting for events (ie designers writing prompts for writers to writers to actually write the event for)The team’s huge, but barely anything gets done because everything has to go through designers now. To move up to a “body team,” people are expected to submit massive proposals with basically their entire content planned out ahead of time, the idea being it's meant to stop mid-development rewrites and scrapped work. Sounds reasonable, but for tags that aren’t in dev yet, designers end up stressing over these “perfect” proposals with every possible detail locked down so no one can change it later. That’s how you end up with things like a 200 plus page France proposal with the guy who wrote it only posting it because he was leaving the team, so you can bet that’s never getting into the game. Someone else will eventually want to push their vision instead, only that vision will also need hundreds of pages of justification before anyone even starts building it, which probably means it won’t get made either.
>>2285310>stop mid-development rewritesDOA. It's not a commercial product.
>>2285310and having to write the entire content beforehand dosent help if every tag near it keeps getting reowrked... yeah i see the problem
>>2285310But...why can't they understand that the way they work on the mod like they have been for years just... Doesn't work ? I mean, for France as an exemple, couldn't they just remove the stuff they sees as unrealistic like the french civil war and reclamation war and from now on just make paths ranging from restauration of democracy and multiple authoritharian paths that more or less wants to become independant from Germany or instead collaborate more ? Maybe I'm oversimplying things tho, idk why you would need multiple 200 pages proposal that all gets scrapped
>>2285310>"You have to write a perfect proposal to avoid rewrites, cretin!">2 years pass>"Back to the drawing board, minion! I reworked Germany again! What did I tell you about avoiding rewrites?!"The fucking irony that it's the leads that have caused the most disruption with shit like DV and all their reworks.>>2285404nayrt but a lot of the problems they have is due to clique fighting and other things that wreck the mod. The team is very dysfunctional. In a perfect world what you said would be true. But we live in a world where the German lead tells the French team that they'll integrate DV with no regard for the fact that this will cause them another rework.
Any devleaker got their hands on more Yippie character docs??I remember there was a guy where who posted GUIs for Wallace.
>>2284906>anchuria has stalled, the dev channel is dead and the lead has been on “break” for months, basically no chance of a 2026 release at this stage.Rest in peace Yugo. At least you are finally free.
>>2285526He should go back to Requiem and do it there.
>>2284986But dont you worry DV will come out within 4 months of Iberia coming out! The update that everyone will hate and destroy and goodwill they newly had with Iberia being around a 8/10 (From at least what I've heard of the update). I dont get it why they are so happy and devoted to an update that is objectively shit. You are seen by the endless ideas of Manchuria content and you care more about Shitistan, Africa? I dont get it.
>>2285706>I dont get it why they are so happy and devoted to an update that is objectively shitClique politics. See the screenshot in this earlier post: >>2228731
>>2223038>https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpgDoes anyone know how long ago this Fong leak was?
Requiem is fucked. Dutchfag purged the entire graphics leadership for questioning his leadership. Designers also quitting and compatibility patch is going nowhere.
>>2285840...No way they'd manage to fuckup this soon after an update, right?
>>2285844As such, I have unilaterally permabanned Vey, Yasya, Mute, and Feder. They will not be returning to this team, ever. I realize that this will make things very difficult for GFX in the short term, but my hand really was forced at this point. I don’t want to be the sole autocrat or ruler of this team, and I hope I never ever have to do something like this again. I’ve informed Zibi, Lolbot, and Pie and Will ahead of time for clarity’s sake before proceeding with this. So, what does this mean for GFX? Right now, chaos, and other leads are temporarily stepping in to lead. We will need to find new GFX’ers in general and do a public announcement for them. Along with this, a slight lowering of standards for GFX applicants is needed as we get things back on track. I am always open to questions and comments, and if anyone wishes to leave the team because of this, I totally accept that and thank you for your contributions to Requiem. To the people who are staying, I promise that I will work as hard as I can to make Requiem a success, to keep pushing forward on the mod, and to make it all happen. I’d like to thank everyone of the devs for their support, and hopefully we can move beyond this affair quickly.Signed,Number Five Great PowerLead Dev of The New Order: Requiem
>>2285852Share a screenshot of it. Prove it
>>2285852That reads like its part of a larger message.You are taking things out of context clearly, what is before that message, why is he saying "As such".I doubt he just did it for no reason whatsoever.Also, told ya my drama senses were tingling.
Why would you ban GFX devs just because they questionned you ? hoi4 lead devs always be larping as some country leader lmao
>>2285891Apparently it was over their leak issues they've had.
>>2285882>>2285875
>>2285901>Original anon posted part of the message and said it was over questioning the leadership>It's actually over someone sharing lead dev chat logs with a friendI'm so tired of this.
>>2285901>>2285906LMAO
>>2285901>>2285906THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>2285914Doesn't change the fact that progress is dead and he permabanned the guy that did about half of GFX for their last update
>>2285906>Dutchfag creating the most unbelievably hilarious drama due to the guy he just promoted to GFX lead conspiring against himI love Requiem, Five is probably watching the thread right now thinking of how to spin this as not so bad
Why does every mod have to deal with some form of bullshit over a fucking mod not a game. TFR had that Czar gooner shit going on and Requiem had both the jannie and GFX team purged.
>>2285927Actually the fact that you lied about the reason for him being banned does change quite a lot. I don't even understand why you felt the need to do that when the actual headline of him being banned for leaking is bad enough.
>>2285934Two different sets of people got banned for different reasons, read the fucking screenshot
>>2285927Only the kiwitranny can break the curse by this point, big surprise.>>2285933Faggotry. That's why everyone loved Red World.EAW may well be the next on the chopping block after OWB, TFR is still inoculated with newness.
Panzer has egged the historical community for at least an entire generation.
>>2285906who is TLD?
>>2285935I did. It clearly says that the lead was banned over leaks. And I find that easy to believe since that happened to them a lot. It seems like a curse that's afflicting all TNO content. Except Rises Again because they wised up and have all their things in public.
HOI mods caring about leaking at all is just retarded
>>2285946The Last Days aka normal TNO. It's a way to differentiate them from the sixty forks that have popped up.
>>2285951Do you not see the second screenshot where the people he appointed as Leads/Deputy Leads after the leakers were banned, were purged over plotting or whatever? This happened over multiple dates
>>2285952Dutchfag needs to be in total control, dont you get it?
>>2285963I dont see how them fucking over devniggers that were plotting behind everyones backs is bad.The only place that led TNO is to constant dev troubles.
>>2285956Meh. I just call it base tno but to each their own. Plus how do you even suck up to them? Heavily endorsed mod or a partnership?
>>2285963It's a deputy lead and two regulars. I still think OP tried to poison the well when the actual lead was banned for leaking.
>>2285967Sucking up to TNO you mean? Well their mod split over which map to use so it might be something similar to that.
>>2285968Its the lead and deputy lead.
>>2285972I dont want to be overly conspiratorial.But that mute guy seems to be an Artist at TNO aswell?He also appears to have joined the team pretty recently, is it possible that he only became a problem child at Requiem since he joined base TNO?
>>2285972Yes, and two regular gfx people were mentioned too.
>>2285974He talks about how he joined the TNO team in the screenshot, probably did it to contact the TNO leads over the restoring relations thing
>>2285974Doubt it but I can see where you're coming from. My money's on them over-reacting because they had such a bad time when the mod originally split.
>>2285986He joined after the split, hes pretty new
>>2285932In that message though he admits its apparently bad and will lead to chaos in the gfx team.
>>2285982Then why would he need to be so silent about it?Like what exactly was their plan, if it wasnt to get rid of Five?They cant tell about the plan to Five for some reason, and need to gather a shadow army. But at the same time, they want to keep Five around.It doesnt make any sense to me.Similarily, why would he need to join the TNO team just to maybe improve relations? He couldve just done it anyway, no? Some of the TNO Leads are pretty active in the discord.
I beg for Reqiuem to live. The last thing I want to see these nu-fagfans be smug about "le-redux always fails"
>>2285990Had to throw this in with designers resigning and the compatibility patch shitshow, what a post release honeymoon
>>2285991I assume cause Five would completely be a against that, and would only accept if all or a substantial amount of the team came in support at the same time.The TNO team thing i assume is cause he wanted to do it more officially, and being a team member probably helps with that.
>>2285988No I meant their original split as a whole. I think that experience made them more cautious.>>2285991Playing devil's advocate: he's autistic and bad at communication.
>>2285993It was fun while it lasted, bet all on rises again or hope somehow another team decides to try their hand at this redux game
>>2285991All that saidIt feels to me as though this was Fives usual issue of acting before thinking. Well probably not fully, because clearly he did delay somewhat.But in large part this feels like he didnt consult any other leads, and just told them last second as a "This is happening btw, good luck weathering the storm!"And its so annoying that most of Requiems issues seem to stem from one autistic dutchman not being able to keep it in his pants.
>>2286012Nah they're not dying because they lost some gfx people. Their icons will just be worse.If their coders start leaving then I'll panic.Either way, another W for RA while the competition burns.
>>2286021Domino effect
>>2286021Its just some gfx people, its basically all of the team including the guy who made half of the GFX for south africa.And theres the other issues piling together, theres 0 reason to be hopeful by now.
>>2286023I doubt the domino effect will hit that hard.From what I know the GFX team was pretty isolated from the rest of the team, and some of the people kicked were either not doing anything or were actively hated by a large part of the team.
>>2286023Evoking Domino Theory is the biggest cope ever and I'm going to assume that you're a 4-star US general at this point.
>>2286027The GFX people were some of the most important on the team as a whole, and they left at a very unfortunate time
>>2286025I have a friend on the team and from his counting, there are over 15 gfx members still.Its not even a quarter of the team that got purged.I had the same fear you did, its not really founded in facts.
>>2286025People said that when their janny clique left too. Give it about a week and we'll see if it blows over.
>>2280651Thank you a lot!
>>2286033When the part of the team that actively did most of the work got purged, you kind of have to be worried
>>2286032>gfx>most importantt. someone that knows shit about modding. Rises Again has a grand total of zero gfx people and most of their assets are recycled from cut content and older builds and they're doing just fine based off of Goodwinson's autism alone.
>>2286040Question is just, why was the rest not doing anything?Its not the only possible reason, but its possible they didnt do anything because the gfx leadership was bad at its job.
And besides them being purged over some scheming bullshit is retarded, if this happens you tell them to fuck off and enforce some fucking discipline, you dont just ban the most hardworking people over some fucking plot idiocy. But no, the Dutchfag need his total control
>>2286042GFX is becoming a bigger part of modding overall, TFR,TNO, OWB etc... They all want their mod to look cool. I say domino effect because of the ideas of more people in the coding or testing areas that are just like Mute.
>>2286042I meant the most important out of the GFX team, i do not care about gfx but this is not a good sign
>Five gets fucked over by TNO, has to rework his Suriname content because of demands>Five gets to hear that his work on Africa will never be accepted due to DV integration >Five now has his work both on Suriname and on South Africa invalidated due to nudevs, so he turns against TNO entirely.>Five goes over to 2WRW, gets Omsk out, reboots it into Requiem after booting the nudev clique who implicitly fucked over the mod by wanting to integrate the ODF map, turning the mod's direction permanently away from TNO and severing all ties>Five finds out some people inside his mod are leaking and plotting behind his back with the apparent goal of "re-establishing relations with TNO">Five nukes the nudev remnants from orbitAs far as I can tell this is what has happened. I'm going to bet you that this only caused him to hate TNO even more.>>2286044I think anon doth protest too much
>>2286044Assuming you are the same guy that poisoned the well, which seems to be true due to the timing of most of your posts and that I am seeing very few people argue the same way you do:I am getting the feeling you were either affected by this, or someone you know was affected by this.Especially since you are the only one that constantly is talking about Five trying to have "total control".
>>2286042>t. someone that knows shit about moddingAre you retarded? Gfx is by far the most time consuming thing in any serious mod. And my mod is by far much more populars than yours if you ever have any so shut the fuck up.>RANot to be mean or anything but it's slop that performs poorly in every department not just gfx and shouldn't be the thing anyone should look up to.
>>2286044But leaking lead dev chats and all that other shit are actual bannable offenses. No one's disputing that part.
>>2286050Well yeah i am the one talking about control, not the one who posted the original screenshot.I do not have any association with Requiem, i have given up on anything TNO related and im now watching and cheering it burn.This is a mod for Hearts of Iron 4, having all of these fucking dramas over minor shit is hilarious, everyone in these teams need to grow up
>>2286051No, gfx is not the most time consuming and important part of a mad. Without coding and all the other parts that actually makes it function you just have another toozer mod that never even gets a demo. Again: Rises Again does just fine without a gfx team at all.
>>2286052The leaks are whatever, caring about leaks is Nudev bullshit and theyre always going to happen, the scheming is hilarious though.
>>2286050The person you replied to is not who posted originally. Besides the point. The person I know is affected by this, you're right. They don't want to see their work go down Five's piss drain like he seems so dedicated to making it.
I'll be honest, I dont believe in anyone that assumes the mod is dying due to this.We'll see in the next major update if thats true, if that even does happen.For now I'm assuming it will happen, and unless we hear anything specifically that it wont, i dont see a reason to think otherwise.
>>2286053This has been very funny. next you will see five take total control TFR biden-eqsue and become the thing he swore to destroy
>>2286059Fives Czar Gooner Patreon arc incoming.
>>2286058I wouldn't assume it will happen. They can't even get out a patch for 1.17.
>>2286055>He should just let the devs leak chat logsWha's wrong with you? Every single team would ban someone for that.
>>2286055I have that same sentiment, but if you are a lead, I would hope you know if your mod cares about them or not. Requiem evidently DOES care about them, and acted as such.If they should? Arguable.But they do. So Vey being banned for it, is reasonable.
>>2286058A lot of designers have quit already, Five and TNO requiem people are probably monitoring this thread and will try to damage control but this is not looking good for the remaining believer.
>>2286062I dont see this as a major issue. The update happened close to the holidays.Assuming most of Requiems devs live in Europe or North America, that tends to be a time when most people spend more time with their family than other shit.And actually, I do have a friend on the team that is saying its in active testing.
>>2286063Its some personal DMs with someone who is probably a friend, why would you care? Banning someone who actually puts their work in over that is more of a negative to the mod than letting them leak whatever, its not that serious.
>>2286054Alright now I know you're a complete moron who hasn't made anything and is just talking shit. Hoi4 doesn't have any "coding", it's scripting that can be done with AI in minutes. The hardest part of the coding is making new minigames and even then gfx for them took much longer than the "code".
>>2286067Define "a lot of designers".How many is alot?Are they actually important, or are they idea guys?Was what they were making important?Who left?Give me hard numbers and not just "Well the entire design team left" BS
>>2286074AI barely knows Hoi4 syntax or anything complex, youre unironically better off copypasting and replacing as needed
>>2286073If you're gonna leak, you better make sure there isnt a way to trace it back to you then.Its a simple fact of doing shit that breaks the rules.He fucked up and was punished for it.
>>2286073It was over a dev server leak, not a DM leak. With how many times you change the story just to doompost and how much well poisoning we had in this conversation it really feels like this is just more shit stirring.Hopefully we'll be back to business as usual in a week.
>>2286079And now no GFX is being made, great move to make people know what the content is about due to leaks
>>2286074>There's no coding in HOI4>Everything needs to be done in code>"ChatGPT can do it, no problem!"Comedy.
>>2286085Everyone in this story is just equally stupid.
>>2286074"Its not coding, its scripting!"lol, lmao even."It wasnt rape your honor, it simply was sex where I didnt care about consent!"
>>2286080Youre a Requiem member on damage control so im not going to bother, what i meant is that it was leaked in dms or whatever. Calling that doomposting and well poisoning over one miscomprehension makes you look desperate, go back to the dev server, thats where the damage control is needed.
>>2286091Arguing over this is arguing over semantics, please do something else with your time
>>2286092No, I'm literally correcting your errors because you keep changing your story.
>>2286075Guy who was working on USA and guy who was working on Britain left
>>2286076Learn to prompt. It will save you a lot of time>, youre unironically better off copypasting and replacing as neededThat's what ai is for>>2286086>Everything needs to be done in codeScratch has more nuanced coding than soy4 which only features a couple of scripts that even a 14 yr can put together to make a mod. Anyway you're a troll who will never amount to anything so I shouldn't bother engaging with you
>>2286098Jesus Christ is it some fucking curse than no one can keep a damn mod stable to challange base tno
>>2286092A whopping 1 dev has left permanently over this issue.Including the 4 banned members that is... 5. Five people.>>2286098USA dev was mentioned as Temporary.
>>2286103Chatgpt, atleast, has no idea how to do anything and hallucinates, dont really know if there is an ai that makes prompting more efficient that just changing it yourself with vscode
>>2286105Yet again youre on damage control, a germany and an italy dev also left not too long ago becuase of team drama bullshit, yet again, please make sure your team isnt falling apart before you come to do PR here.
>>2286108Cursor would probably be decent, atleast compared to its strenghts vs chatgpts.That said, AI wont be good at knowing the limits of the game. Some things seem doable, but are impossible, and vice versa.Source:Have uploaded a good amount of successfull mods, am on multiple large dev teams as a respected experienced coder, and have toyed around with various AI Models and HOI4 code.Not tried it with Cursor yet.
>>2286105Just have some fucking stability. It can't be that hard
>>2286112fuck you mean damage control?I'm not even on the Requiem team you twat.Who are the Germany and Italy devs that left?From what I know noone fits that bill, and my friend is literally the main Germany dev at Requiem.He likely wouldve told me if anyone he was working with suddenly left.So either you drop names, or you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
>>2286125The italy guy was Some fucking mental retard who was a TNO gendiscer and genuinely seemed like he had multiple learning disabilities, his name was on the leaked proposal and i think he was british. The germany guy i dont know too much about
>this whole conversation is just another shit-flinging extravaganza between the former nudevs and the current devs and it'll be forgotten in a week like all the other dramaThis is why I prefer the Kiwi Farms threads.
>>2286135>Using the youre a dev, hes a dev, everyone is a dev technique to take all focus away from requiem collapsingBeautiful
>>2286134So you have nothing and are either inventing,your sources are shit, or they are incredibly outdated.
>>2286144we simply can't tell if its collapsing or not. Losing a few developers and the GFX lead is damaging, but I think people who are just immediately concluding that Requiem is over are just basing it on nothing much right now. We have to wait and see what actually happens in stead of making hard conclusions.
>>2286144Bruh we've had half a dozen of these episodes this year already. Last time it was the jannies leaving and that was going to cause the mod to collapse.
>>2223034>https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf - Japan rework. Now with a full proposal leak.I think the leak is missing a few pages. The Peers section seems entirely missing.
>>2286158Its not a good sign to have these things happen every month, especially when now its Five deciding to go on a purging spree. I dont think anyone was saying the jannies were going to cause Requiems collapse
>>2286165People say that they're going to collapse every single time something like this happens and then everyone forgets that it happened after a few weeks. This always happens. And by this, I mean nothing. Nothing ever happens.
>>2286165The thread was filled with spergs that said the mod was collapsing.Pretty much anytime anything doesnt go remotely exactly how Requiem would want it, people grow out of the wood works to say Requiem is dead.When Requiem has a major W, those people are nowhere to be seen.From the way those same people act, we can also tell that they are probably the same that shat up the thread half a year ago and doxxed a random Requiem Dev for no reason.
>>2286177Please name the major Ws, no the 3 year long south africa facelift doesnt count.
>>2286180Omsk releasing4-5 (not 3) years of South Africa releasing (after everyone prophesized Requiem would never release it)"It doesnt count, wahhh"Bitch shut up and suck my cock.Give me one good reason why it shouldnt count.Literally EVERYONE that wasnt in Requiems team from Day 1 assumed the mod would fail. There were people in these threads DAYS before the Update released saying it wouldnt release.Requiem released the same day as TWO other major mods, and came out ontop not only in the initial release department, but ALSO the hotfix department.I literally remember people saying BOTI wouldnt release because the (now) Code Leads keyboard broke, and how "its just an excuse to delay". And what happened? They released on time anyway.
>>2286180>New Russian post-unification content>Restored Men, expanded his content, added fixes>Did a ton of balance fixes so the game's units actually function>Fixed the infantry tank killer metaIt's more than TNO did. Not knocking it out of the park but it's alright. The funniest thing to me is that base TNO could easily have done all of that and way, way more with all the people they have if they didn't spend so much time on reworks and political infighting.
>>2286189Please calm down five, I know the situation is stressful but you sound ridiculous grasping at straws with, "Its actually a 4 year long facelift, you dont get it retard", you ported over all of your Heldenvolk shitty content, and you still pretend it isnt and its completely original but it also sounds idiotic, Omsk releasing after about 5 years is not a win, its the bare fucking minimun and people not believing in you doesnt make your basic acomplishments impressive. You people also cant manage to release one compatibility patch for a hoi4 update while every single mod can>>2286180Bare fucking minimun, yet again.
>>2286190meant to answer to this, for the second part
I RELEASED TWENTY YEARS OF SOUTH AFRICA CONTENT 4KEKYOU FAGGOTS DONT GET IT, I HOPE YOU NIGGERS SUCK MY TINY DUTCH TULIPI'M THE GREATEST AND SHOULD RULE THE WORLD WITH AN IRON FIST
>>2286161>https://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdfUse this link, scroll to the bottom. It'll take to a google doc of the Japan rework. You can't download it, but it has everything. This link is also in the bake, but OP decided to be lazy and not put a '-' so its formated a bit weird
>>2286197Hey it's more than TNO did, credit where it's due. In the same period they released an Antarctica demo and RA keeps going from strength to strength. When you look at it through that lens, TNO's doing better now than it has since 2023.
>The ex-dev namefagger is back
>>2286203Thanks.
FIVE FIVE, PLEASE LET ME SUCK YOUR DICK!VEY IS TRYING TO COUP YOU! YES FIVE, YOUR DICK IS SO MASSIVE!! OH MY GOD I LIKE HOW IT FEELS IN MY TIGHT TRANNY ASSHOLE
>>2286203>Can't download itYou could just screenshot it but with how long these are that might be a tall order.
The Requiem alogs might be the worst shitposters we've ever had on this board. Only the Mexican guy that kept posting CP in his war with TFR is worse.
>>2286216The seethe that Requiem is causing is hilarious, you'd expect the kiwifarms fork to cause all the butthurt but its the other way around
>>2286238HOI4 really has caused some of the Internet's greatest anomalies.>Ponies being known as the sane people that focus on gameplay not politics>Kiwi Farms saving TNO with a mod that's all a passion project to save someone's favorite mod by himselfThough to be fair the KF fork does get flak but it's usually shit no one cares about like someone being banned from Discord for using slurs on the forums.
>>2285942>kiwichads VVON <Tnotranys ACK
>>2286203>>2286207>>2286210You can also just put it in a downloader desu.
Any news on the Japanese Air Force post-war?
>>2284571Holy shit you were right
>>2286204>same period they released an Antarctica >TNO's doing better now than it has since 2023.1- Intregated a submod nudevs did shit , 2- geg just shut this done
>>2286309I think they meant TNO as a whole since we now have multiple forks that actually post, well, anything.
>>2286299Told ya ;)That said, I doubt this will have major ramifications.I actually managed to get an "in" during this period of time, some of the Requiem devs got pretty talkative.Out of Respect I wont share much, thats unless the mod dies (i doubt it) atleast.The next update doesnt appear to be heavy on the GFX or Code side, supposedly writing will be the worst part of it.Some of the various GFX the guys that just got purged were working on also were looking to be rather... bad.From what I've heard especially the Germany lead was pretty vocal that he wasnt satisfied with what they did, and I was shared a few of the GFX, and must agree.From what I have heard, the gfx leadership was approving (and then unapproving) loads of GFX, there was near constant infighting between various GFXers, the leads were fine with downright inaccuracies (IE Nazi Uniforms were green instead of brown), and they were trying to segregate non GFXers from GFXers.Picture attached as proof.All in all, while this sucks, atleast I personally doubt this will cause major issues.This section goes to any Requiem Dev that reads this.Please dont take it hard on whoever you deem leaked this. They did it out of goodwill in dms, and themselves seemt sorta disturbed by what went down.End this madness, and dont do any purges without thinking about it next time.
>>2285901>>2285906this is the funniest shit i've seen in a while. these losers really try and portray their lives and mod development like it's one of their hacky TNO events>the limp wristed artists were planning a coup d'état against me>i'm no autocrat but i had to exile them for the safety of the leadership *sigh*
>>2286341Either you are the namefag from earlier, or I dont understand something.Why do you have one of Requiem devs names set?I doubt you actually are him, because that would be the most idiotic thing to possibly do, and your screenshots contradict it, so what the fuck are you doing?Is this just a thing we do now? Havent been on this thread in a while.
>>2280890Whats PNO
>>2286341"gfx segregation" when every department works like this coders don't draw gfxers don't code and etcperhaps Mr.Lolbot is feeling pity because his affair with cropped screenshots failed? :)
>>2286341>Please dont take it hard on whoever you deem leaked this. They did it out of goodwill in dms, and themselves seemt sorta disturbed by what went down.hm i sure do wonder who leaked this
This is the opinion of a man who has never played hoi4; is he correct?
>>2286596so in the end broken keyboard decided to frame the gfx departmenthe will probably resign like tomorrow or something
>>2286591I dont have skin in this game, but I doubt its an actual dev.Would be very weird to put your name in there while at the same time acting like you arent a dev.
>>2286596This doesnt line up with the screenshot up here >2285906Something is weird, the one in the post by the dutchfag was wide, this one is mobile format.Can anyone send the original image the dutchie sent? I want to see if the times align. If they dont, i suspect well poisoning.
>>2286630Here you go, timezone is infact off by 6 hours.
Remember everyone, nothing ever happens.You think something is going to happen, and yet it never does.I'm going to bet it all on nothing happens to Requiem.
>you HAVE TO prostate yourself before TNO or we resign
>>2286632I mostly did my due diligence here before I went on to actually claim anything, and there are still some areas I am unsure of due to technicalities pertaining to discord itself.However using the attached image, and the containing timestamps, one can tell that presumably Five and Vey live roughly 5 hours apart.We know from the Doxx that Lolbotkiller lives in the same timezone as Five, so it should also be 5 hours.Here's where the problem comes in. I dont know if Daylight Savings could potentially be altering anything in regards to how the timestamps are captured.I checked the public server for myself, and the screenshot in the attached image actually is off by one hour itself, atleast from what i can tell. How, no idea.Eitherhow, point being:>>2286596This post here is mad fishy, and to me it seems like its Vey himself trying to spin it around desperately.It would fit in with the timezones (roughly). Itd fit with the sudden difference in mobile vs desktop.And more importantly, itd fit with why it was posted.I havent thought of a single reason why someone who supposedly just pulled off a master coup, would then turn around and go on 4chan to incriminate himself.It doesnt fit together.
>>2286647I just want to highlight that last part again, simply because it just makes alot of this sudden "actually, the Code Lead tried to get rid of Vey" falter to me so hard.We know for a fact that Requiem atleast somewhat monitors this space.So all itd do is for Lolbotkiller to get rid of himself.There is genuinely not a single scenario where he would come out ontop by posting here, and leaking.There also is no reason why he would change his timezone and dm someone else on discord anything that would get him in trouble.Zero reason.Absolutely illogical.The guy would need to be at the absolute minimum so insanely retarded that we would know by now, and that he wouldve caused many more issues before.So if anyone gets fooled by that obvious bait up there, GG, you are literally dumber than a mongoloid.
>>2286637Gee I sure do wonder why they got fired from a project that mainly consists of exiles from TNO's shit environment. It's a mystery we may never solve.... a real riddle for the ages...
>>2286529>Is this just a thing we do now? Havent been on this thread in a while.For some reason pretending to be people (poorly) has become a thing when low IQ people want to do drama. This isn't even the worst by a long shot, an anti TFR spammer got that prize. Just assume everyone is full of shit and/or retarded.
>>2286601Getting rid of Atlantropa was good imo. I hated it so much I dropped TNO because of it at the start.
>>2286768i mean, why exactly? what was your problem with it?
>>2286768Bait.
>>2286769make map look ugli :(
>>2286768It was also the foot in the door that the Mango Clique used to get in and now TNO is dead as hell.
>>2286647>This post here is mad fishy, and to me it seems like its Vey himself trying to spin it around desperately.>It would fit in with the timezones (roughly). Itd fit with the sudden difference in mobile vs desktop.>And more importantly, itd fit with why it was posted.>I havent thought of a single reason why someone who supposedly just pulled off a master coup, would then turn around and go on 4chan to incriminate himself.>It doesnt fit together.the screenshot above was made by vey and got leaked from gopher's group chat, that's how I got it, hell if I know what are you trying to prove with this
>>2286785It was actually the Lamounier/Reich clique that did it and they didn't "get in" with it as he was already the code lead when this happened (ie he had a soft VETO on everything). Mango becoming the mod's overall lead and abolishing elections happened as a byproduct of the realism clique ascending.>>2286792>It's all Discord dramaOh my God who cares?
All these niggers in here saying Requiem is totally kill this time reminds me of youtubers who spend their time making videos claiming that China/Russia/whatever will collapse soon just trust them
>>2286785True and fair. Trojan horse and all that but I'm still happy it's gone.>>2286769Ugly as sin as this anon says >>2286782Plausibility wasn't as much an issue for me but the fact that it was uninteractable probably didn't help.>>2286778Nope
>>2286800For me it's this. Honestly feel the same way about TNO when people predict that DV will cause it to collapse. Worst case scenario for them is that the mod will limp along just fine the same way a junkie can keep on existing years after throwing their life away.
>>2286811Personally I liked the way the Atlantropa'd med looked. It made TNO's map look unique.The nudevs told us the Congo Lake would stay making TNO's world map look distinct at a glance and what do you know THAT WAS A FUCKING LIE TOO THEY DECIDED TO INTEGRATE DV
>>2286813This is the article that sparked a big Hilldawg donor to buy out the Onion, by the way.
>>2286811>Uninteractable Ok that's actually a good anti Atlantropa argument. Now that you mention it, it kinda just existed, didn't it? They didn't do much with it. Aesthetically pleasing to myself but they did drop the ball on the concept outside of paying lip service to it in some more tooltips.RA dev take notes and flex your creative muscles!>>2286813>Trolled so hard by a joke you trigger someone into spending and losing millions Respect.
>>2286813DV wont cause it to collapse. What I do think will happen is that it will have to cause a lot of internal reforms when the update predictably fails, who knows maybe some heads will roll. Hopefully its for the best. Best case scenario is that Mango gets voted out as head and someone else takes control and takes TNO into a more sustainable route. Worst case is that nothing changes and they lose more fans while the diehards still say its fine. I'm more optimistic than the rest of you, I just hope they can get their heads out of their asses.
>>2286945I don't think there will be reforms and if Mango leaves someone like minded will take over. I'd be more optimistic if their reaction to the DV announcement wasn't "fuck the Nazis that hate us for being correct".
>>2286975This most likely, yesI severely doubt Mango would leave the team without ensuring his successor doesnt fuck up his work.That or the team has fallen apart anyway.
>>2286792Sorry, I miss-saw the post as being yellow/orange for a post vey replied to lolbot, not the other way around.I didnt check again for that, got too caught up in it not making much sense.Which would be explained by it literally not being the case.Just didnt see the forest for trees
>>2287010>>2287015Why are you namefagging
>>2287040because i feel like it
>>2287010>>2287015>>2287043Stop namefagging it's retarded and the shenanigans of the past retards has more or less trained people to ignore namefaggers and treat everything as the asshurt horseshit it usually is.
>>2223034Found this leak of presidential flowchart for Yippie (old since Romney is still there.)https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xZh6z9Efy/spm_id_from=333.1387.upload.video_card.clickAlso, since I'm a gweilo without a bili acc, I found this website to download the videos so you can watch it in 720phttps://bilibili-video-downloader.com/
>>2287196Godspeed.
>>2287196We've seen this one before, in one of the older threads
>>2287222Is there anymore Yippie shit from older threads thats not in the bake?
>>2287246Some guis and minor things from what i know, nothing too relevant
>>2287222Rockefeller-Reagan ticket, bravo Mango
>>2287274peak rethuglikkkan evil
>>2287254tbf those are some really dumb Denmark GUIs.
>>2287627no these were on the dev diary, some guy leaked other guis
>>2287222Why the fuck is RFK an option when JFK was never president and he never became Attorney general?
>>2287681Camelot wank, probably.
>>2287681JFK is vice prez and has the power to bully Nixon into selecting Rfk as attorney general.
>>2287872Is that lore kept in Vote Pig?
>>2287892To my knowledge yes
>>2286975Well someone is getting purged. Who do you have your bets on?
>>2287963A bunch of no-name rank and file people or someone neutral from a department that isn't involved, possibly a completely innocent guy like the French lead. Just the most disappointing outcome possible.
>>2287980A just TNO is where they purge the entire Africa team and tell them to work on important shit like V&J and Manchuria, hell i'd rather have VP than DV
>>2287988lmao the Africa team is just Mango's friend clique they're not going anywhere.
>>2287988Agreed at least America will get more content in vp. Dv will just be skeletons with vague promises of more content in the future.
can any dev-leaker check if there has been a roundtable?
>>2288009>More content They're erasing all existing content and what you get is America without the SAW, NPP and much more. It might actually be a net negative. Only good parts are the unintentionally funny ones like evil dictator Nixon, Schlafly becoming a fascist because her son's a fag and Wallace becoming the new Huttig when he nukes Haiti.
>>2288015Like it or not there is objectively more content in vp
>>2288069Depends on how you count it. Miles of text in whiny events telling me that the chuds are bad and that I should vote Democrat up and down the ballot to prevent it? Yes, I bet there will be plenty of that. Playable content that involves more than clicking on focuses to get more preachy events, however? God no, it'll be a mega Mexico at that point.
>>2288090Just curious what do you consider “real content”
>>2288091NTA but I'd say SAW and the reconstruction of the former german african states in plenty of content, nudev bootlicker.
>>2288092Idk how I’m a bootlicker I was just asking a question. Tno has always pretty much always been a lib wank mod idk how VP is any different.
>>2288095Alright fair.But still, removing interesting alt history concepts like the SAW and the NPP because MUH REALISM just pisses me off.
>>2288098I don’t care much for the npp but I agree the realism Shit pmo. History is full of unrealistic stuff (genghis khan,napoleon,the russian revolution etc). I’ve lost any faith in base game tno I just hope requiem can be decent.
>>2288091Regular HOI4 gameplay as well as some actual alt host. I don't mean that it should go full KX, but at least try to strike a balance. Brazil's original demo was a good example. Lots of politics, events and economy, but it wasn't overbearing and you had the SAW being neatly integrated into all of these. There was also the novelty of things like the lobster war to spice up the regular politics by having some of them revolve around the wacky politics of German dominated Africa.With so much of the world reduced to absolutely nothing event wise this cannot be made any more. The balance is gone.
>>2288118My main gripe is the new guis like Madagascar and Haiti for example. Crow and bull did a good job not making the proxy guis too difficult. Also I agree the tno devs are too otl brained. Take Reagan for example, otl he was a new deal lib for until he thought the dems were soft on commies. Since the Ussr collapsed and there’s no second red scare Reagan should still be a new deal lib and I think that could make for some intresting althist. But noooooo we must stick to otl Reagan’s politics.
>>2286823>>2286835Any sources on that onion buyout?
>>2288238https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/19/463535648/area-satiric-publication-the-onion-sold-to-univision-seriouslyFun fact: Haim Saban is the largest stakeholder of Univision, which purchased the Onion despite being a Spanish-language television company. He explicitly said that he believes controlling the media is essential to influencing politics in America. He's a fucking dual Israeli citizen, and was one of Hillary Clinton's biggest donors. He also attempted to purchase 2 superdelegates with a million dollar donation to the Young Democrats.It's no coincidence the Onion never published anything like the increasingly nervous man article ever again after the buyout and also stopped satirising democrats.
>>2288282You can actually identify exactly the day they purged the writing staff and brought in Buzzfeed writers to replace them. It was about a week after the "increasingly nervous man" article.
>>2287872Since when vice presidents before Mondale had any power to do anything?
>>2288567I don't think that's a problem. It's not an unreasonable concept, especially when the R-D was a thing. It's damaged by their increased otlism but still.
>>2286565Plankton's new order: last days of bikini bottom
>A fucking Spongebob mod legitimately provides a better experience, more content and more promising plans than base TNOHow the hell did we get here?
>>2288567The democrats have a majority in senate so Nixon is forced to make concessions and appoint democrats to his cabinet.
>>2288567You stupid fucking gorilla, did you even read the dev diary?"Yo why is there a weird cabinet in a contingent election??"Take some time off licking sockets and let your neurons fire off electricity for once to perform basic deduction.
>>2288820damn the sit on their ass and sperg about content that is never coming community very heated i see
>>2288820No one did, it's four separate Reddit posts by a fat Democrat sperging about his ideology.
>>2288820This is why people hate TNO devs and their sycophants.
90% of my criticism of nudevs would dissapear if they delivered on thier promises and wrote less preachy.
>>2289253i would say 70 percent, because their promises are often impossible to reach
>>2289253I don't think the criticism would disappear, but I think most people would be content if they at least threw their old fans a bone every now and then. You know, compromise a little with the old and news. Actually releasing content when a lot of your plans are universally hated will just shift it to people shitting on what you made instead of shitting on what you toozed half a year ago.
So I finaly decided to play Requiem's South Africa, and no matter what I do I can't seem to get the deficit under control. Any tips anons?
>>2287872The leaked tree says that Leo Hoegh is AG, i think in the VP announcement said that RFK is a senator
>>2289550Just print money
I wonder what will release first, DV or Yippe!, I am looking forward to Yippe! sense it seems like it has active development unlike V&J and ive always enjoyed playing the US in TNO but it has gotten very stale so I am looking forward to its release, maybe it'll release along side DV after the Iberian facelift. I hate being so doomer about TNO but these developers need to be fucking competent for once in there lives.
>>2289253I agree. I don't really care about their changes and I think it would actually make the mod better to remove germans colonies in africa and remove burgundy, all they would have to do is make African decolonization interesting and fun and not just OTLslop and make himmler be able to rule germany after hitler. I hate this libtarded leftslop preachy shit they have been doing but it makes sense because most of the team is Brown, Trans, and own at least one dildo. Just deliever a good polished product on time and most people wouldnt complain.
if TNO fails I hope Requiem rework's Italy, US, Germany, and Japan. I think the current content in all of those country's (and more) is extremely outdated and I know TNO plans to rework them but if they do fall apart and TNO is cancelled I really do hope Requiem makes good on their promises even though they don't have to. I also would like Requiem to add Antarctica to the map not as playable content but just because I much more enjoy the map protection with Antarctica.
>>2289988i think germany's TNO content is fine even if not great, but yeah Japan and Italy need to be reworked asap
>>2289550South Africa will have rising debt due to some mandatory spending but the outbreak of the war will fix it, just minimize all spending, print some money and grow your economy via the decision categories and the focus tree.>>2289988They split off from being a tno submod due to Deep Freeze so they will never bring in that new map. Just never happening.
>>2289987I like the RK setup more than DV but if they just presented some actual alt history about decolonization like you said it'd at least be something. It could even be better than what's there now if done right. I don't think that could ever happen under the current team however since they're fully devoted to OTLism. I think DV has poisoned the well for any African rework too. Who'd want to touch that after that?I agree with you about Burgundy and Himmler. He was supposed to get a route in Germany btw but since that has had zero progress I don't think we're seeing that ever. At this point it might as well just have been something that the dev said to make people let him remove Burgundy.>>2289988>>2290025Technically, you don't NEED the map to do Antarctica's content. Just add all the events to Germany and make it a CYOA adventure while you focus on other things. You aren't allowed to collapse the other bases anyway so it's not like doing it this way would change anything other than removing whatever this thing is.
>>2289988Is all scrapped content just lost forever or could they rip something and use it?
>>2290139Who said they want to use TNOs thrown out content?
>>2290698The only mod that actively does that is Rises Again. But they usually just take the really old stuff because they recognize that anything newer would have a severe nudev stink on it, it seems.
