Are you sticking with 26 or going back to FM24?
>Back to 24Back to 12 more like
Just bought this American Football manager called 'Football Coach College Dynasty', Probably something made by a handful of people and somehow the UI is more easily understood than FM
>>2242596I liked it quite a bit but it's even more of a "recruitment sim" than FM
i MIGHT consider buying FM28 if it ever comes out
>>2242754FM needs a director mode where you are in charge of everything [you want] except the coaching/matches desu
back to back. my competition won both their games, of course. makes me wonder why I even field a goalkeeper
Just reposting this from the last thread for those who didn't see it: Finally figured out how to unlock 243 FPS on a 165Hz monitor. Steps: using program settings in the Nvidia control panel, set max FPS for FM to 243 and Vertical Sync to Fast. Launch in 120Hz and switch once you've loaded your save.
>>2242754I messed around it with for an hour but I refunded it, just interested to see some more management sims. I like American football but I just didn't feel like I had a connection with the players.
>>2242596It's made by one guy, I'm in his discord. He's making a pro football one now.
>>2242529id go back to 12 in a heartbeat if it ran as fast as 24
>>2244584Pro football as in 'soccer' or professional american football?
>>2246329Professional gridiron football
>>2244205maybe I should just stop playing this game
>>2247032this is how my loons play
>>2247032The fact that you got even 1 goal shows that /trb/ is evolving.
>>2247032Believe in Nbugu who believes in you
lel
>>2247696How is young Shaqueel in 26? Was pretty good for me in several saves in 24
FRESH CRINGE JUST DROPPED.This needs to be seen to be believed. Four low T shills cope as they see their lazy lifestyles being flushed down the toilet with the game they pinned their reputations to. Funny in the way The Office and Peep Show are funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hquzw8XUDLA
>>2248568You're like one of those people still talking about COVID vaccines after so many years. It's boring.
>>2249014>t.triple vaxxxed
>>2249014two more weeks
>update delayedHAHAHAHAHA
>>2249128>>2249148Desperately clinging to anti-vaccine beliefs years after billions of people were vaccinated without issue is sad. Especially on an anonymous imageboard, you can just stop posting about it and pretend you were never fooled.
>>2249619focus on your shitty game, miles
>>2249014You're like one those boring bots that would conveniently have everybody to forget about the cancer clot shots so the pushers can keep selling bugged to shit spreadsheet frontends, wait, mixed the two things.
so glad I'm paying my goalkeeper
>>224821672 goals and 30 assists in 3 seasons. Nothing crazy but he is consistent.
>>2249619>you can just stop posting about it or, you can just stop posting about it and go back to your non anonymous hugbox craphole:https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/hot/
>>2249014>>2249619t. SiMaggio (Tested, triple vaxxed and quadruple boosted)
>>2249667Cool. Yeah, he was never the STAR player, but very consistently good for me. Even scored the winner in a CL final once
>>2249014And I will continue to talk about it because it makes glowies upset that anyone still remembers the horrible unnecessary shit that was done and that the fucking thing didn't even work.
I have made a bald enemy.
presented
>>2251302dang
>>2251302gork is this true
>>2249014>>2249619lol, sorry toots but the effects are still being felt. I work in health insurance and claims have skyrocketed ever since it rolled out. Cardiovascular claims in particular. We do have something in common though, I am fully, completely, 100% pro-vaccine on your part
the delayed update?
>>2251582Slowly but surely, they are putting together one hell of a game.
>set render scaling to 200% last night intending to test it out in a match>today wonder why my gpu is at 100% power and struggling to reach 100 stable fps
>>2249631>the cancer clot shotsantivaxxers are literally reterded for thinking they're intelligent for being contrarian. I guess calling you "antivaxxers" is unfitting because your mental illness expands across everything in life>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09655-y
pes baby here, i've been trying to get into the game for every new releases since 18 but every time it basically boils down to>install game>gets overwhelmed by all of the interaction bloat in-between matches>tactic is cosmetic? in pes, your settings match the gameplay, maintain formation means players don't overlap as much, all out defense means they will all fall back to the penalty box when losing possession, "formation width", "pass distance" everything does exactly what it says while in fm, none of the tactics seem to matter>i literally always get raped as buyern, shitty, fartca against fucking elche or stoke even when i don't touch the default tactics and often times it clearly says all of my players are "supremely motivated">player stat is cosmetic? in pes, dribbling stats, speed stats, jump/physical/defense stats make all the difference between shitty and world class players, i know pes is scripted slop but in that game you can simulate for example, thiago, absolute baller with 89 curve and insane ball control and passing stats yet his physique and finishing is shit and it feels like him, meanwhile in fm every player feels like identical stick figures who are capable of doing the same thing>uninstall.exe, fresh reinstall windows even
>>2252663Nothing fucking matters, set the tactic as gegenpressing, select and sign players with high acceleration and pace, set their training to quickness only and keep their morale high. Win champions league by season 2.Solved game.
I like the sound of this
what's the best data update for fm24? not trying to pay for the sortitoutsi one unless i have to
>Naughty Coonwtf Miles
>>2253375Pretty sure I've read that first line on almost every edition since I started playing (fm14)
Is a transfer embargo database impossible in 24? I remember trying it in 23 and it worked fine, but now I downloaded a database from the workshop and teams like Arsenal and Liverpool were already buying up all the players after 4 seasons...
>>2252638nah, but seeing through and standing firm against one of the biggest gaslighting psyops in history carries a bit of satisfaction, as well as health benefits. Hope it was worth trading your immune system so you could keep access to KFC and Spiderman movies.
>>2247032did they remove work ball into box instruction?
>>2242516I think I am going to stick with having sex, thanks
I'm not gonna watch it, but the shills have come aroundhttps://youtu.be/5twp1V-2aGs
>>2258628i have a huge fuckin head i should be a youtuber
>>2258974are you also an insufferable cunt? go for it
Why hasn't miles been sacked yet
>>2258981because all you dolts actually purchased this dogshit and that's all sega sees
>>2259424I refunded it and left a bad review
>>2260036A bad review?? Wow you really showed SI!! You'll buy it again.
>>2260214I'll fucking batter you if we ever meet in real life
>>2253874anyone?
>>2260361only thing you'll batter is a fucking yorkie, lardo
>>2260361Show me a picture of your Steam library RIGHT NOW as proof you don't have FM26 in your library.
>player count almost below 60kuh oh
>>2261208>20k for fm24It's over 24chud you lost. TikTokFM is here forever
>>2261312>25% of players still on the old gamenot a great look, miles
>>2253874If you're willing to wait I can share it when I get home in like 10 hours from this post
>>2261719I'm not going to wait that long kys
>>2261719yea no worries mate. >>2261977this wasn't me
>>2197215last thread for posterity
>>2253874>>2262323>sortitoutsi website down as of this postwell I still have the one from September 3rd, 2025 right after the summer window closed.I'll check later for the current one.https://www.mediafire.com/file/vk1dezbkaax4b5d/sortitoutsi.net_FM24_Data_Update_-_2025-09-03_03-36-24.zip/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/u9qefoa98gcucol/sortitoutsi.net_FM24_Data_Update_-_2025-11-26_04-30-02.zip/file
>>2262731fuck yeah, thank you
>>2262731This one has the attribute updates too ?
here's my idea for a reduction of attributes>technical: dribbling, heading, passing, striking, tackling, throwing>mental: aggression, communication, composure, decisions, leadership, positioning, work rate>physical: agility, jumping, natural fitness, stamina, strength>gk: handling, reflexes, sweeping nothing is removed, just combined under a less specific term
>>2263244>further consoleifying the gameWhy the fuck would I want that? I'd be more willing to see more attributes added than a reduction.
>>2263260but so many of the attributes are useless, why would you want more?
>>2263268>so many of the attributes are uselessThey're not, the engine is useless. Make the engine better instead of cutting corners.
>>2263270>Make the engine betterlol
>>2263272when you look at the obvious things the game gets wrong (even before this version!) it's crazy that people will also perma-seethe about like "I win too many games with a five striker formation made by malaysians"
Apparently if you're still on the Steam beta branch you're slightly behind on updates now.
>>2262974no just transfer moves and promotion/relegation plus coach moves. apparently it's ANOTHER fee on top of the current sub to get the attributes "live" update.
>>2263270but anon, if the engine is useless, and it is, doesn't that make most the attributes useless?
>>2265165Only via the engine's uselessness. You shouldn't tolerate dumbing down the game to accomodate a shit engine.
>>2264882Viewing match stats during highlights being something that had to be patched in is still wild
>>2263244>nothing is removed, just combined under a less specific termThe SI playbook for whenever they don't feel like actually fixing their shit. Reminds me when Mentality "went away" circa FM14 : they hadn't removed it, just your ability to adjust it. Attributes being visible for staff? Just hide it. Hell, we even used to need Instant Result to be modded into skins because they didn't feel like giving it to you if you weren't playing the Touch version.I wouldn't be surprised if the next "fix" for the new tactics system is to prevent you from having your defenders become attackers, because having the AI actually cope with it and punish you for it would be too difficult.
>>2265558>Reminds me when Mentality "went away" circa FM14 : they hadn't removed it, just your ability to adjust itRemoving the sliders was horrendous and it affected more than just mentality. Locking instructions according to role/duty and not allowing you to override them fundamentally limited how creative you can get with your instructions
people still mad about flankers blasting the side netting instead of passing for a tap in lol
>>2265185>dumbing down the gamenobody said this
>>2251302Quick! Give Miles a pay rise and start working on adding 65+ walking football to fm27 for representation! What about all those old people that are an untapped market!
remove player roles
>>2265666>consolidating different aspects of player performance into a single attribute That's a FIFA-tier dumbed down game.
>>2263244Just condense them into 3 statsKickingRunningJumping
>>2264882>sports interactive employee>umm I think the beta branch might be behind the release version… I think… I’m not sure. Oh well
>>2251302>year ended march 2025A game studio lost money in a year they didn't release a game? Not shocking and doesn't really matter.
>>2265672no it's not, if anything it makes it harder because you'll need to look at stats more
>promise weekly updates>already failing to deliver by the second weekBravo Miles
>>2265688It absolutely does, unless you make sub-attributes for each one which defeats your whole premise, just keep the attributes as they are and fix the engine
>>2265672Listen, I’m a normie-lite twat and every year for as long as I can remember I’ve bought the new fifa in September and messed around on that for a couple of months to feed the football fix when the new season starts while waiting for FM in November - then I ditch fifa completely and play nothing but football manager until the next September This is the first year where that isn’t the case. Played the fm beta but quickly refunded. Load of shite. I can’t believe it, it feels sacrilegious, but FC26 is a much better football game than football manager 26
>>2265696no it doesn't, reduce it even more, two players ranked 90 overall, which one is better?
absolute kino
>>2251302>>2265681>doesn't really matterIKR? When you look at the evolution of other SEGA franchises across the years, it's clearly the fault of the legion of us stupid retards that every year get in line to spend $60+ on a mediocre gui refresh for an officially-licensed football-commercial-brands xcel spreadshit>>2265689Could be just my imagination but maybe they have been failing to deliver for half a decade now.
>French manager wins the World Cup for Englandtop lelThe result in the final was 2-0 btw. A 38 year old free agent Harry Kane scored in the final, and scored five goals in total, just one behond the tournaments two top scorers Cole Palmer and Saka. Kane is retiring so that was his final game.England's run to the final was: Scotland, Australia, and DR Congo in the groups, and then USA > Portugal > Georgia(!) > Belgium. I would dream of having a piss easy run like that.
In 26 I regularly see agents refer to their client as "her" despite me playing the mens leagues only and having switched off as much of the womeme shite as possible. That's a basic SI mistake compared to this other one I found:>player misses glorious opportunity to score>match engine commentary used to say "He'll kick himself for missing that"They've very badly attempted to make this line gender-neutral because it'll now say, using a player called Valentini as an example:>"Valentini'll kick Valentini for missing that"Fucks sake SI, stop hiring pajeets.
>>2266699They/them are through on goal here! Oh no, they’ve/them’ve skied it!They/them will kick theirself for missing that
>>2266699>>2266804>6’4 trans star striker regen who has scored 143 goals for you in the women’s league is out injured for the big women’s cup final>hover over red inj >out for 3 weeks after bottom surgeryMIIIIIIIIIIILEEEEEEESSSSS
>>2266699When you play womens leagues only there's he and him everywhere as well
>>2266699SAAAAR
>>2266699The SI studio is almost entirely White men lol.
>>2267338I was gonna say, it seems like the kind of cliquey workplace where you only get in if you have a connection to someone
>active players down to 56kUH OH
channel midfielder seems really good. finally a meta reason to not use 2 dms
>>2268180not played an FM since 20 but i found it funny that they renamed all the meme roles to english-sounding namesits like SI saw all the >segundo volante shitposting on /sp/
>>2268185obviously the continuation of appealing to the FIFA crowd
>Peaks are hitting 55k, in late November FM 24 got peaks of 82k, a 32% decrease.>For more context, over it's 2 year lifespan FM 24 didn't get lower than 64k peaks until September this year.UH OH MILES
>>2269697Yeah but there are 100s of millions of people who use Netflix and football manager 26 is available through Netflix on your iPad so actually we have a billion players chud stop questioning the numbers you fascist
>>2242516bump
>>2271813calm down
>>2243708You can do that by downloading the instant result skin and setting your staff to do all the responsibilities. I do it sometimes as a roleplaying experience.
Shouts are coming back and match engine improvements are coming! WOOT!
>>2273344lol
>>2273344>distract them, quick!
>>2273384>distract them by listening to feedbackSI can distract me all they want, I guess.
>>2273344>>2273427ok miles, now get back to work.
>>2273344>>2273427They promised improvements before release and then it turned out the only changes were graphics i.e cosmetic. Except for wingers dribbling down the line being made extremely OP of course
>>2275035How could you even tell? You don't run a formation with wingers, do you anon?
>>2275822No but my opponents do.
i like wingers
Excited as fuck for the next content update. Match engine improvements + shouts are going to be huge.
>>2276294Wasn't the match engine the one good thing about 26?
>>2276938Yeah, but they're going to tweak it and iron out a few things.
>>2276294>going to be hugelol
>>2276938>the one good thingLeast shockingly bad would be more accurate, and that's only because we were already used to a dogshit engine in previous releases.
>>2275941Get the fuck out of here glowie
>>2277794weeeeeeee haha down the wing
Today's beta branch patch notes summed up: >we fixed everything.
>Total War announces upcoming games will be going to consoles tooSEGA must be stopped
>>2279532fuck offreally?
>>2279532I wonder if they also have a lolcow dev
Where are they? Why haven't they updated with the new IP and OOP roles?
>>2279532not like there's been a good Total War game in years anyway.
>>2280371is attila good? i've had it in my library forever
>>2279419no shit miles? OMW TO THE STORE!!! just kidding...
>>2280196>RATE MY TACTIC is no longer being actively developed or maintained due to changes since Football Manager 2026. The substantial changes to the tactics system from that game onwards mean substantial changes would have to be made to the rating system. RATE MY TACTIC will remain online for the foreseeable future to help players that still want to play previous versions of the game. Thanks for all the love over the years!>A huge thank you to everyone that supported RATE MY TACTIC throughout its development! The largest contributors are now commemorated on the tactics board for posterity.too much work so they quit
>>2280531yes
>>2280619Why bother with all the work for a new game if you think the new game is shit and pointless?
They brought back the placebo feature: shouts.Somehow this is a very, very appropriate thing for SI to add to this unfinished game.
>>2280619based
>>2280619kek
>>2281217it was a strange thing to get rid of, and if the reasoning was "randomly bellowing on the touchline has next to zero impact on the result of the match," ok, this is technically true. Now try to explain the last ten years of bloat features and the fuckin' press conferences for me
https://www.fmscout.com/a-fm26-match-realism-mod.htmlMatch engine mods are back
What appeats to be the latest new bug is some players apparently getting depressed when the team is running up the score.
Hnnnng.
>>2283101Maybe they're just complacent and this is how the UI portrays it
Man I just booted up FM14 again and I don't remember the roles being so weird. All striker roles, CM-A, CWB/WB-A don't have 'get further forward' automatically active(and it's entirely unavailable for the strikers), and the Advanced Playmaker has both 'get further forward' and 'hold position' automatically active on both support and attack.So did roles/duties only affect mentality and creative freedom in that game?
>>2286251It is kinda sweet that IFs don't have 'dribble more' active automatically so they don't act braindead all the time. The engine has lots of 10 passing between the CB and FB into a running wide man as well so they work sweet.
>>2266699In case people thought I was making it up, here's a similar string (complete with a [NAME NOT FOUND] error.)
>>2273344>SAAR, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND ATTACK DOWN THE WING MORE
>>2286390lol
>>2286390>>2286858b-b-but we are being told to be excited because the new patch is as good as a new release?
>>2287121They add in new bugs or I find bugs that haven't yet been found. Pic related, the stupid "pop-up" menu function bugged out while I was tactic-tinkering and was still in front of the screen even after the match and somehow I was able to save (by asking the game to quit, prompting the "do you wish to save?" message) and reload.
Anyone here managing in Japan on FM26? What's it like?
>>2287224No idea buf if you start out unemployed/unqualified, Japan's third division clubs will accept applications.
I've made a loan signing with an option to buy later. Is there a way to view what I offered as a permanent deal?I can see it was 43m plus additional clauses, but I can't see what those clauses are. Does it show up anywhere? I'm on FM21.
>>2288872Idk if its the case on 21, but if you go to the player's overview, maybe clicking on his wage or seeing his wage details will show you details about the loan contract.
>>2288874It does, but I can't see what the additional clauses were.I might have to go back to an old save and find the inbox message with the details.
>15 technique 15 flair 16 pace 15 acceleration>4 reflexes 4 communication>yeah you're gonna be a goalkeeper
>>2289375Agility, Acceleration, and Reflexes are the only attributes that really matter for GKs, so, yeah, probably would've been just as good as an outfield player, but he can be just fine as a keeper as long as his reflexes get trained up to at least a 12 or so over the next ten years.
How are your graphics folders doing in FM26 so far? For me: FM Slovakia kit packs, 3D kits, sortitoutsi face pack, TCM logo pack, TCM women's facepack, and regen face pack.
>>2289883i didnt get 26 but on my FM24 im at 42GB
>>2289883>FM26>TCM women's facepack
>>2291190You haven't done a women's save yet? Are you some kind of woman-hater?
This guy was given an estimate value of £10m+ when he appeared in my intake, I'd since given him a quite a few games in the first team, he has scored some vital late goals (including a very late equaliser in the Copa Lib final), he has successfully adapted to the AMR inside-forward position I put him on, and Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United, and Spurs are active/rumoured to be interested in him... however I don't get why this game seems to like him so much. He only has ok speed, his highest attribute is 16 Flair, and the rest is just mentlels, physilels, and technilels. I don't see the big deal here.
>>2291480>15 accelerationThere you go. Good off the ball too. His hidden attributes might be high too
>>2291481His OTB is only 11 and could only maybe go up to 14.
>>2291531So what is that 14 in the pic you showed? What genie scout cheating is that?
>>2291469picrel
Tactics are so fucking boring, the only ones that do decently are still the same 4 defender slop or 3 CB's + 2 WBI just want to actually be able to use 3 or 2 CB's without any FB or WB, without being cucked hard...
>>2291549Fuck I misread. Well still I guess his OTB can get to 18 later on.
>>2291795>the only ones that do decently are still the same 4 defender slop or 3 CB's + 2 WBWow just like irl football!>I just want to actually be able to use 3 or 2 CB's without any FB or WB, without being cucked hard...Do you want the game to be realistic or cater to your esoteric shit?
>>22917953 cbs with wide midfielders is good.
>>2291469yeah
"Tight Call"
Mmmm.
>>2292848Clearly offside
I created a graphics -> faces folder and dumped my DF11 facepack into but all the serie a players are busted still? Anyone have this issue?
What's better, generalist roles or specialist roles? I'm talking pre-fm26
>>2291812So we always should follow what the current trend in world football is like without any room for innovation or creativity?I'm playing a videogame, not real life, and even in real life teams experiment, 3 CB 2 WB wasn't a thing until recently, everyone criticized Amorin for doing it in Portugal initially until he perfected it there.
>>2296501The game should reflect real life as it is in the year of release. Maybe as the save progresses the dynamic could change but even then it should involve heavy RNG elements and would be very messy, it's better to keep it static. >3 CB 2 WB wasn't a thing until recently3atb with 2 wing-backs is a common template in football for decades now. The closest thing we got to something novel in recent times was Bielsa's 3-3-1-3 which had mixed results(was fired from Lille while sitting in the relegation zone for example) and far from established itself in football, so it's entirely reasonable that the match engine won't accomodate it.
>>2294966Did you use the FM26 pack or did you copy your old one?
>>2291469I tried during the beta and I was immediately met with a NWSL squad registration that more or less said I would have to sell two of my five best players because of foreign player limits. Then I looked up my team's real matches and those people play together all the time, a lot of the older players who have been in the league forever are grandfathered in as non-foreign. This is the kind of bug I have zero tolerance for because, like. No one tried to play in this league before you shipped the game?
>>2296920>No one tried to play in this league before you shipped the game?anon...
>>2296920>>2297273jej
It's only the first pre-season friendly of a new year Miles.
>Ipswich makes an offer for my Uruguayan>player preference is for NorwichEast Anglia derby is massive in Uruguay apparently.
>>2298318they didn't manage to put the continue button in the corner this time either? fucks sake miles
Been addicted to these games since I got the CM 01/02 demo disk back in the day and i've never seen an ai team capitulate as bad as this before.
>>2298325That's really fucked kek. I thought my U20s making it 3-0 against the senior team inside 10 minutes in a friendly was bad.
Love seeing a player actually develop instead of stagnate
>>2298673>11 braveryI will never trust that guy in the MC position.
>>2298679He does pretty wellHe has little Mario to cover for his cowardice
>>2298700Based angry midget
>>2298706Not angry or midge enough: >>2283127
This makes no sense to me
>>2299762Which role?
>>2299763wing back
FM making it a bit obvious that they want me to lose in a fairytale cup final to a third tier club. In contrast, my team's cup run has featured three penalty shootouts so far.
>>2298679Bravery is one of the many useless stats though.
>>2301543I'm a purist so I play the game like real football rather than respecting the shit match engine.
>>2301674based, I do the same. I only make sure pace and acceleration are above 10 and otherwise I just sign players based on which attributes are supposed to be good for the position. min/maxing kills the fun
>>2301674>>2301767I do this too.
>>2301674Same
this one felt so forced
My highly paid and rated DC/DM with pretty insane stats for the league wanted a squad number the previous season, which I didn't give to him because I let the assman pick the numbers and he didn't give the number to him, and I didn't manually check because I forgot he was expecting that promise. Told him that I'll give him the number when the next season starts, and that was OK to him. Problem is, that second promise expired before the season started and before I could give players new numbers. Player got pissed, said he can't play for the club anymore because so many promises has been broken, and I had to sell him to keep the locker room atmosphere good. Fuck this game sometimes.
>>2303385I once attended a Peterborough-Cardiff game that played out the exact same way.
>>2303552Wait since when do players care about squad numbers? I don't play since 2018 lmao
>>2303694It can be a "player promise" during pre-negotiations for contract talks (along with things like "will improve midfield", "will send on intensive language learning course", "will send out on loan" etc.
haven't followed fm26 for the past month.... bought it on release and never played, is it worth playing yet?also wtf is the new captcha? i dont understand it at all
>>2303855>bought it on release and never playednice job retard, that's why SI barely feels the need to make an effort >also wtf is the new captcha? i dont understand it at allthe low iq screener working as intended.
>>2303697That's so fucking retarded lol
>>2303935Is it?
>>2303855it's better than it was but some parts are still incomprehensible. mostly the UI>>2303935happens irl too. when ajax bought tadic he insisted on getting number 10
Thinking of doing a firesale to get room in the squad to promote academy kids>uploading files from your ip range is temporarily blockedfuck you too gookmoot
>>2303855It's in a pretty good state now imo. The UI is the UI and it's not going anywhere at this point.
>AI plays a goalkeeper with the orange Switzerland flag>set shooting to "encourage">win 2-0 away with both goals outside of the boxhaha
>>2304097>>AI plays a goalkeeper with the orange Switzerland flagwhat does this mean
>>2304131
>>2304131He refers to the light injury sign
>>2304136>>2304137thank you I see
>played FM26 for 500+ hours now, year is currently 2036>Lamine Yamal still only 28
The reason stats are buried, and in many cases simply inaccessible, is because the matches generate completely insane numbers that would, quite rightly, shatter any sense that you're playing a football sim. I have it on good authority that Miles was very specific about not allowing the Chinese players to get eyes on the data, for fear that they'd destroy the games credibility.An example I was given, during testing average shots per match often sat above 60, when it should be closer to 15. This is also why so many shots miss, they weighted the algorithm to maintain an average shot to goal ratio closer to reality.In short the match engine is completely broken. Matches aren't 'simulated', results are spat out via a heavily weighted RNG system.
>>2304748This always the case though. Most egregious example is passes completed, nearly every game both teams complete >85%. Distance covered is also way too high compated to irl football
>>2304765My squad is just full of triffic lads who break records every match
I don't need a youth setupJust buy a kid from Red Star Belgrade every season
ok
>>2304792Skip the middleman, become the manager of Red Star Belgrade and develop your own youth players + deny Kosovar statehood.
>>23047481v1 conversion rates fluctuated heavily between editions based on how many such chances were created on average, in order to keep scoreboards somewhat sane
I hope you all set your training to Community Outreach on Christmas day
>>2305469Yep. FM14 didn't have a lot of big chances in a game so conversions were somewhat fine, then on FM15 they increased the chance frequency and conversion plummeted to avoid high scorelines
Is getting all steam achievements a tough accomplishment?
i have no idea where else to ask but this is the closest thread. anyone play out of the park baseball? it's like the baseball equivalent of FM
>>2306379Bro, I have put 3K hours into OOTP 23 and 25.
I just got promoted to the premier league but I have this player with a match highest earner clause. now he doesn't want to renew his contract and nobody wants to buy him. I can't sign any new players until he or the clause is gone. shame too because he's young and pretty decent
>>2306538I always Remove+Exclude shit I will never agree to:>match highest earner>minimum fee release clause (these are mandatory in Spain however, so I just set it to a non-negotiable very high non-Figo fee)>yearly salary % increase>sell-on fee %It usually means the agent will insist on increasing salary by as much as a third or more however. But I don't care.
>>2306538Could try dropping his squad status, that might unsettle him enough to get him wanting a move
>final game of the season>away against Spurs>95th minute goal to draw the game>from my ex-Sunderland striker>win the league on goal differenceA Christmas miracle!
>>2306625howe would be dead pleased with a draw with spurs but distraught for winning the title
please explain what the fuck I need to do to make the game stop asking me to manage U18 games. I've triple checked all settings
>>2306409how deep of a sim is it?
>>2306633Might need to hire an U18 manager
>>2306642I've placed an advert but I can't otherwise hire one, it seems. I can't filter for "preferred job -> under 18 manager" and anyone I ask laughs in my face
I don't think BGK/SK are punished anywhere near enough as they are IRL. This season has been particularly bad (I think) for the sweeper keeper meme but I've never seen long-range goals scored from open play in the match engine (only from counter-attacks after a set-piece).
>>2306643Can you promote Sam Chamberlain?
>>2306641Not the anon you've replied to, but I also play a lot of ootp. It's comparable to FM on the whole, where it has a kind of flawed match engine (though ootp's depends a lot more on which version you've purchased, and I would try to avoid the most recent versions because they've gone all in on their fifa ultimate team version and the original developer sold the company to private equity, though it's slightly better in general in that all of the attributes appear to actually matter and influence outcomes) but it has a much, much more in depth talent development system. It isn't great at international baseball, at least in the versions I've played, and the licensing for leagues other than MLB is spotty and inconsistent and changes every year. It's really customizable and comes with a much more powerful in-game editor that lets you control the entire universe from inside the save instead of before with the database editor in FM, so I've made more than half a dozen fantasy saves.Overall, the versions I've played have felt a bit more janky and spreadsheety than FM, but deeper and more involved. If you're the kind of baseball enjoyer who knows what your leadoff hitters xWOBA is and what BSR is, you'll enjoy it, otherwise you'll probably get overwhlemed with the sheer volume of the numbers thrown at you to process.
>>2306709i must have made like fifty posts over the last week on /v/ and /sp/ trying to see if anyone's played ootp, so thank you anon. is it a good game if i wanna get my billy beane on and take over some loser/poverty franchise and lead them to a WS? how well does it simulate players not wanting to be traded to shitty teams and stuff like that?
>>2306712>is it a good game if i wanna get my billy beane on and take over some loser/poverty franchise and lead them to a WS?That's certainly something you can try to do, but it's going to be a struggle more than in FM. Foolish Baseball did a playthrough of trying to save the As last offseason that's pretty much what you described — you can check it out to get an idea of what playing in that environment is like.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtZyV2P7E6Y&list=PL3lJFzNSaN7TzjXt78pbtKsWxd5YXD_Uo>how well does it simulate players not wanting to be traded to shitty teams and stuff like that?Pretty accurately to real life, which means that trades are easy because players have no control over them without a no-trade clause or 10/5 rights (which 99% of the players you'd ever trade for as a Marlins/As/Pirates etc. wouldn't have). Signing free agents to a poverty franchise is hard because you need to overpay to attract anyone, but you don't have any money from your owner to even do that. So, you basically have to hope that you overperform in the draft and international amateurs, but you also don't have the money to improve your minor league facilities/coaching.Basically, just like real life, unless you get a miracle core like the 2014/15 Royals, you ain't winning shit as a small market team unless it generates a new owner for you who for some reason wants to lose money to win.
>>2306736OOTP26 is ten bucks on Steam so I think I'm gonna pick it up, thanks anon. If nothing else, it'll get me through the offseason.
>who should we name our son after babes??>uhhh how about...
>>2306762philliam my goat
>>2306665I've had like 5 goals from sweeper keeper positioning so far, one for me and the rest against.>>2306376Not really, if you play organically you'll be able to get most after a while, or you can just cheese them.
>>2306762>it's a winger who can't take a corner episode
https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/1pul562/fm26_stadium_megapack_release/The fm26 stadium megapack is now available
>>2306736What is your TCR setting?
>>2307512Lower than normal (around 50, usually). I play mostly fantasy saves with fictional players and I'm too conditioned by FM to expect my scouting reports to actually be reasonably accurate.
>>2307660Same as well, except I set my TCR to 200
FM 26 is objectively a terrible game, uninstalled and refunded in disgust and bought OOTP26 for 7 bucks, anyone played OOTP? Seems like there's mnore focus on depth and complexity, with less on eye candy which is pure /vst/.
Having trouble deciding where to start my next save. I'll go with the first reply out of the following countries: Germany, Netherlands, Portugal, Scotland.
>>2307956Scotland
>>2306379This is the same anon that posted >>2306409but to answer question, even though another anon answered it, yes it is FM and more. More open to creating new leagues and storylines, very VERY deep in depth, and quite addictive. Also if you are into ice hockey, Eastside Hockey Manager, and or Franchise Hockey Manager are also good games as well. Merry Christmas!!!
>>2307901Yep! God it is such a good series!
>>2307957Thanks! I'm going to go with either Hearts or Aberdeen, going to look more into their history to decide.
is there any other football management game that can scratch that autism itch?
>>2308385CM 01/02 is unironically peak autism balm.It has real tactical depth, all the stats that we love, it lacks a 2D or 3D match engine (a good thing) and it also lacks all of the tedious bloat features and bugs. There is a very active and passionate community, as you'd expect with a game still being played and worked on after 25 years, with new patches and mods appearing all the time. FM is for plebs who don't know.
>>2308385>>2308404Linkhttps://champman0102.net/viewforum.php?f=57
>>2308408Video that explains how to download, patch and mod and tweak the game for realism (4 years old).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqHQzGxKEFo
>>2308408Thank you, been thinking about returning to this game for a while. Took me a few attempts but i finally have it running in 1080p with 25/26 database. Managing Southampton to get them back in the prem.I forgot how great the with ball and without ball positioning was, it's possible to really create interesting and original tactical approaches, and makes it easier to counter specific threats your opponents might pose. Don't miss the awful 3D match engine at all. I only view 2D but even that ends up shattering any faith you might have in the way tactics manifest in matches. Text is comfy af.Masterpiece.
Amazing match engine, you don't need strikers at all, just 5 defenders and 2 wingers to absolutely break the game.Great job Miles.
>>2309225Didn't you get the memo? FM26 is completely broken across the board. Anything that appears to function as intended has been faked in order to give that appearance. The match engine is the worst it's ever been, but because the graphics are a tad shinier there is a chorus of retards proclaiming that it's great.But the problems run even deeper. The AI is abysmal, training broken, tactics look the part but don't work at all. For example if you want a player to use a specific role out of possession, he needs to be fully trained in that role 'in possession, and yet even then players don't follow tactical instructions and just do whatever the RNG fakery tells them to. Don't even get me started on the data that they buried because it shines a light on how unrealistic everything is.EVERYTHING IS SHIT. It just kinda looks a tiny bit prettier in parts. Eye candy for the retards who never look beneath the surface.
>>2309249The competence crisis hit SI real hard.
is this game still >pacewinslol?
>>2247032BASED MOU
>>2309343yeah until they rewrite the engine
>>2309249>>2309253I still remember the beta days>p-people only complaon because of the bugs>on release all the bugs will be fixed and the game will be praised for sure
I hop teams fairly often, every 3-5 seasons or so.Whenever I get an offer from a Gulf States team, depending on the stature and quality of the player, I use the ingame editor to sell the player for a value between 100M and 350M €I don't even use that money (I keep track of it using a notepad), I just want those teams to fuck off, since I can't compete with the salaries they offer I just milk them dry, so that when I hop teams, whoever I used to manage has a nice reserve to blow on whatever the fuck they want.
Truth
Apparently FM24 just got a 500MB update, anyone know anything about it?
>>2310127trvke
>>2310207By the looks of the forums it's a patch with more game breaking bugs
>>2310127Agree with every word. I wonder what the devs feel when they read shit like that. It's got to sting when the truth is laid bare like that. Perhaps they really don't know how shit they are, or maybe they just don't care.
>>2310127>not least the 3D match engineSupremely based. Graphicfags ruin everything
>>2310528the actually bad design decisions were made before this year imo. The press conferences are the obvious one but honestly that's probably a fun little immersion thing for people who are new to the games to mess around with a few times, all with flavor text they have already written, translated into hungarian and korean etc. There is no way anyone is enjoying the player interactions or the training, or ever has.>>2310082they don't behave that strangely if you take the "sugar daddy" designations away from their clubs' chairmen iirc, like it used to be before they started spending that much money irl, just another place for a decent veteran player to go when he's been unattached for too long
>>2310588>press conferences>fun
>>2310588>the actually bad design decisions were made before this year imoAgreed. And not just design decisions, but overall strategy and planning for the future. They squeezed just about every last cent out of FM, and never really addressed any of the most serious failings. They had nowhere else to go with it except try for a sequel, and they completely fucked that up. Very sad story of squandered opportunity.
Anyone playing in Turkey on FM26? What's it like?
Fair analogy.
>>2310541
>>2313161dude i get your issue but please stop reposting your messages on the steam discussion page on here, you're making it too obvious
wait, so the best feature of FM26, the visualiser, was taken from CM 01/02?
>>2313281Taken but botched terribly, and in fact is tactically than useless.
>>2313281That's right
>>2313281Yes lol. But in CM it's much better. You can tell every player where you want them to be on the pitch with and without the ball. By paying attention to appropriate stats like stamina and work rate you can increase workload for those players able to take it in order for them to cover more ground.Combined with the right player instructions you can design completely unique player roles and tactical game plans to maximize your teams strengths and mitigate any weaknesses. If you understand your opponents strengths/weaknesses you can set the team up against bigger opponents and get favourable results. And it's all down to decisions you make. Not random like this modern dumbed down RNG shite. CM is missing a lot of features, but in terms of the quality of the games systems it's on another level.
while i don't have a tonne of hope for them fixing FM26 any time soon the match engine stuff is really quite bad. i just won the carabou cup with a team that just got promoted to League One that was still using a lot of very mediocre National League level players. it's absolutely going to fuck the player contract AI stuff because they're all going to gain too much fame for playing in a european competition and make ridiculous demands for their skill level. makes me want to jump to a different team but my goal of the save is to just fill the Premier League with teams i like
>>2314092yes but this is always the case. every version, even the much beloved cm0102 had tactics the match engine could not deal with. I think it was 2015 that had the broken 3 striker tactics with which you just could not lose
FM should go back to text commentary only so people don't realize how bad the match engine really is
>>2314114>I think it was 2015 that had the broken 3 striker tactics with which you just could not loseThat was 2012
CM 01/02 literally had a fictional Portuguese wonderkid in its database btw
>>2314369Every game in the series generates hundreds of fictional youth players, devs even put themselves into CM 93/94.A single Portuguese is hardly game breaking.
Isn't the CM 01/02 match engine just an early version of the current one?How could you make a text only match engine and generate realistic stats, heat maps, pass maps etc?
>>2315163The reality is nobody can accurately simulate a football match, far too many variables. The best approach is to reduce those variables to the essentials, and to simulate those, tying in player stats and tactics etc. Text is just one way of presenting the results of those calculations, and many would argue it's preferable as it leaves the players imagination free to fill in the blanks, which actually increases immersion. It's how most strategy games deal with real time events.The FM 3D match engine we see in FM was actually the corpse of an abandoned football game that Sega purchased and SI then grafted onto the game. The obvious question is how can a game made in isolation be expected to present the results of entirely unrelated simulation?The answer of course has been bouncing around for years. It can't.It's one of the few topics that guarantees you a permaban from SI forums should you raise it - That everything you see in the match highlights is predetermined, and that the move to 2D and then 3D marked the end of simulation and the beginning of theatre. A small price to pay for the graphics tards who love anything they can woooooo at..
>>2314508a lot of sport journalism especially at lower levels is just an agent being nice to a journalist and getting a fluff piece written for his client (or at least a suggestion of "they should play Benitez more") so there's no way they can possibly build a wall against that for "FM researchers" who are just random guys. But yeah you could get into like a thousand problems with the actual game before touching the database once. The women's stuff looks like it has too many attributes zeroed out even at good levels (so you just enter "150 CA, ML/AML" and it shoots out a generic winger), which is a little disappointing
Oh baby
>>2315760JOUICY
>>2315883Tears on the streets of London as England choose to rest all their best players and get annihilated
>>2315890oh deary me
>>2315163It doesn't. But given you can't see what's happening under the hood, it's easier to pretend it works
>>2315890How many immigrants for either team?
(Sorry for ESL) I saw a post a while back, that a player replaced the attribute numbers with words. Unfortunately, he doesn't tell anybody how to do it. Has anyone done this here, or do you have an idea on how to do this? Many thanks
>>2316360Forgot to mention, I'm playing fm 20
its over
paid for FMRTE just to remove some PPMs that refuse to be removed
>>2316693>im a suckerOk?
>expansion to the club's youth facilities has been completed>the club took out a loan of £51m to complete the worksWe've built a fucking theme park for the U-16s
>>2317183genuinely baffling, what'd they spend it on lmaoa brand new full field of turf is like a million bucks
The latest NVIDIA driver seems to have decreased my frames, I was getting 300 steady during 3D matches previously but now I'm seeing closer to 200.>>2317183If you had any other work going at the same time the loan amount will cover both, I've seen that happen before.
>>2317333
>>2317403Why is Sergio Ramos taking penalties everywhere?
Is it feasible to use this? Pep played like that in 11/12 (Alexis Cesc Messi Pedro front 4)
>>2317909Probably not with that midfield 3, maybe with wide CMs and a DM out of possession it could work
>>2309377I thought that's what they were doing.
>>2318343when? they weren't doing it for FM26
My Italian club is expanding its stadium (it's was a new stadium at 28,000 seats - still constantly selling out games, its a bit insane) and is renting the closest Serie A-level stadium which is the Luigi Ferraris in Genoa (one of the few good-looking grounds in Italy and also its in BassyBoy's stadium pack) but that seems a bit mad to me because it's already used by two other clubs. I'm not sure this would be possible IRL given the potential fixture issues it would cause.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwox5SbnNZ0Clearly an amateur mockup and not actually leaked FM27 footage, but cool anyway.
>>2317645lol
>>2319625They're obsessed with the appearance.When will they overhaul the important parts - the AI, the match simulation, economy, scouting, training and all the other underlying systems?
>>2319717Reply to >>2319501
>>2319717Literally never, because they're caught in the trap of selling new shiny visible thing for streamers and content creators and console morons to get excited about (because sales and eyeballs are literally the only thing that matters) and they don't have the financial bandwidth to switch their focus to fix underlying issues their hardcore audience would appreciate. Even if the hard-core audience suddenly stopped buying every/every other year, all that would do would make them double down on chasing new shiny visible features until Sega kills them because they're not selling enough to break even anymore. FM26 was a gambit where they traded long term fan support for short term market gain, except they fucked the product up massively. We'll have to see how FM27s sales look in comparison to 23/24/26 to see what kind of impact their recent decisions have had, but I'm not optimistic and genuinely think SI is closer to death than they are to fixing the underlying simulation aspects.
>>2318343Rewriting the game engine isn't the same as rewriting their match engine. They ported the game engine from an in-house C++ solution to unity and C# without doing many changes at all to the actual match engine.So, yes, pace and acceleration (and reflexes/agility for GKs) are basically the only attributes that matter still.
>>2319912Wtf? If they just rewrote the UI why'd they have to work for 'years' and still not do it in time and make it even shittier? That makes no sense. And why were people excited for a rewrite if it was just for a perfectly good UI?
>>2320428Different Anon but the graphics engine is now Unity, but the match engine (the simulation) is mostly the same as it's ever been. They've said it would take a decade or more to rewrite that.
>>2320428>If they just rewrote the UI why'd they have to work for 'years' and still not do it in time and make it even shittier?Because their management is utterly inept and completely detached from why their product is even appealing. It taking the better part of five years of background preparation and then two full years of direct dev work doesn't seem unreasonable; the fact that they thought they'd get it all done in a month between releases (and especially the part that Mike came out and admitted that publicly) makes them look maliciously incompetent.>And why were people excited for a rewrite if it was just for a perfectly good UI?Because new shiny thing must be good. In theory, switching to Unity and C# makes it significantly easier for them to both train new staff and hire people with existing skillsets, but that would require their management to be somewhat competent and not to simply be coasting on what is essentially a publicly sourced scouting network and the steep entry cost it would take any serious competitor to overcome.
>invited to Korean tour>will build club's profile overseas>7k attendanceI should have stayed home
>>2321586i feel it contributes towards a bump in shirt sales at the end of the following season
Is 26 any good now?Also I hate how they keep making man management, an aspect that's inherently unfun and impossible to properly simulate more annoying with every game. Like in 25 players just constantly ask for triple wages and shit and they basically removed your captain being able to solve issues. How is 26 in that aspect?
>>2321660>in 25What 25?
>>232172424
>>2321660fm26 will never be a good game but it's perfectly playable if you really like these games. very similar to fm24 in many ways, including the man management part you mentioned
>>2321736Crazy how much FM26 has improved in such a short time. Honestly super excited for the future of this game, turned out ditching the old tech and taking a year to develop it was definitely the right way to go.
>>2321859shame it looks like shit thougheverbeit
>>2321859Love you shillposter
>>2319770>genuinely think SI is closer to death than they are to fixing the underlying simulation aspects>>2321859>super excited for the future of this gameWhich one is it then?
>>2321859Facts no printer. Matches are next level, I could never go back to FM24 after seeing my players in 26.
Are Premier League 3D kits disabled in Champions League matches? I'm not the one managing in the Prem for context.
>>2321859>ditching the old techthey didn't do this though?
>>2321872Do you think the average dad gamer who plays a few hours a week cares about some autistic sim intricacy that some guy on /trb/ fixates on?
>>2322287I mean people playing football manager would care about the game remotely resembling football, no?
Like all games, this one depends upon the suspension of disbelief. If players stop believing in the integrity of core mechanics, game systems and the simulation a whole, or, if they are no longer happy to be fooled by the fakery because the payoff is inadequate, the game dies.This game is dying.
>>2322287Dad gamer here, and yes I do care.
>>2321877Is it totes amazeballs?
>important player wants more playing time>play him a lot>happy with the promise>don't play him once>now unhappy>play him 5/5 games in two and a half weeks>still unhappy
Rate this own goal. It was in the Italian FA cup final too.
>>2323440I know what the Italians were saying after that. And it starts with n!
A whole 454 more seats.>>2323454'Ndrangheta???
>>2323440I do wonder how the match engine simulates this.
>>2323573Well when it happened, I instantly thought of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4FSX8DmxqM
