>>2265741
>CK2
Map painter with incest simulation, reaches from Morocco to Bengal, 90% of the game is DLCs (kickstarted the "game as DLC platform" policy in PDX). Can larp as Venice, but can't larp as Vangarian
>CK3
Dynastic sim with incest simulation, reaches from Marocco to Japan, 40% of the game is DLCs (kickstarted the "functional game, cosmetic DLCs" policy in PDX). Can't larp as Venice, but can larp as Vangarian.

Everything else is the same.

>>2265741
Oh, and one more thing:
>CK2
Overloaded with meme and joke events along with powerful supernatural shit, but treated as a dead serious and realistic game by its playerbase
>CK3
Had a handful of meme events that got cut within months and no supernatural in sight, but treated as LE EBIN MAYMAY game by its playerbase

I've only played ck2, but purely judging on the art style and some of the events I've seen for ck3, I'd say ck2 is better.
ck2 also runs quite well on old laptops and other toasters.

>>2265741
They are basically the same game on different engine at this point of development. Release state of CK3 was the best PDX did since HoI3, so that alone was notable, but then they fucked shit up with glacial pace of releasing new content for a rather bare game (and then doing regional approaches rather than thematic ones)

>>2265846
>2012 gama written for 32bit systems has lower requirements than 2020 game with twice the map size to handle and 3D elements that were crowbared after the game release
Shocking!
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Real question, thou, since I didn't play with the Chink DLC yet
1) Do they also have tournaments, or whoever was in charge of that DLC at least cut that feature for Chinks? Would be really fucking weird if they did.
2) Did they finally include the long-promised option to simply fund new university in your kingdom, or are we still stuck with only pre-defined buildings? I never understood why the fuck they couldn't make universitiy sites event-spawnable, so when you fulfill the quota, you get the "once per kingdom" event to spawn it in your capital duchy (either capital itself, or the 2nd free site if the capital already contains special building)
3) Did modders already figured out how to use the new special building systems so we can have CK2 projects back into the game?

>>2265846
I think I like the look of the map in 3 better. But that reminds me, I think I’ve seen people talk about there being more events in 2 and then being more unique? Is that accurate?

Also I’ve heard that religion functions differently?

>>2265890
>there being more events in 2
True, but it's evening-out at this point. 2 had 15 large expansion and over 50 cosmetic DLCs and was supported 11 years, so naturally it's going to have more events than 3 that's out for 5 years and had 15 DLCs total)
>and then being more unique?
False.
However, CK2 has better events in terms of lifestyle stuff. Variety is the key, but not their uniqueness.
>religion functions differently
True, and both systems are kinda shite.

Which DLCs are crucial to start with? I feel like the prices on this game are worse than their other titles.

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>>2266415
CK3 that is*

>>2265902
It's not simply a matter that bigger is better. In CK2, I can do everything from call upon dark magic to regenerate my genitals to enslave an immortal in a perpetual motion machine.
Casual gamers will never see many of these events, but they add massive depth to hardcores like us.
You are absolutely correct that both religions systems are shit, and I'd even go further and argue that religion is shit in all PDX games.
Doing something like creating Anglicanism is not possible in any PDX game until CK3, though. I must admit that it's huge for the RP potential, even if it's otherwise a silly and unbalanced system.

>>2265837
>ck2
>map painter
>can only take one province at a time
pssht

>>2265741
If money is no issue and you have a solid PC, then CK3.
I'm a hardcore CK2 guy and prefer it. Both have pros and cons on each other and ultimately I lean towards CK2. However, odds are that you won't care about those and will find CK3 better.
One example is that CK2 has year-by-year start dates for everything from 1066 to 1337. This adds massive depth and quite a few interesting starts, but compared to things like 3D portraits? Most gamers prefer the latter.

>>2265843
CK2 has some meme and joke events yeah, and the supernatural ones can be turned off easily. But ck3 has some of the worst written events I've seen. I wish they used the writers from CK2 instead, or at least tried to match the style and length.
I can't understand how anyone thought the tinder event was a good idea

>>2266978
>if money is no issue and you have a solid PC, then CK3.

That’s me. And I think at this point u have decided on CK3 (at least for now). My only question is which DLCs are essential to start with? Seems like on Reddit paradox forums everyone has a different opinion. Although I see T&T is a pretty common recommendation.

>>2267332
I*, not u lmao

>>2266976
wow you must be absolutely terrible at it if you think that

>>2265843
>Overloaded with meme and joke events along with powerful supernatural shit, but treated as a dead serious and realistic game by its playerbase

I don't know about you, but becoming immortal and the inevitable slide into resembling a lich from all your accumulated diseases and damage is honestly pretty entertaining every single time to me. You start outliving your children and by the time you're 150 or so you're holding your empire together purely by the force of your prestige and longevity. Your character is probably regretting ever doing it too, and you're still vulnerable to dying in battle or assassination.

>>2265741
CK2 with HIP is orders of magnitude better than anything that CK3 and its mods offer

>>2267630
you are on some unc shit

>>2267995
Please don’t zoomer my thread

>>2267630
I tried HIP for a few days but went back to vanilla because it didn't work with my other mods. Does it actually add anything serious besides a shiny new character sheet?
Also I couldn't get Portrait Overhaul to work for it. Probably needs a compatch or something idk, but yeah that was a let down too.

>>2265741
You like Sims for men or coom? Play CK3
You like a strategy game with some rpg? Play CK2

>>2266976
>Being THIS bad at 13 yo game
What next? Struggling with gavelkind?

>>2266415
>He's buying PDX games
>And their DLCs
Pity the fool

>>2268692
It's the exact reverse, but sure, prove >>2265843 he's correct

>>2268741
There's no strategy in ck3, you get CBs easily and you steamroll the AI with your men at arms or just modifier stacked knights

>>2268769
It would be such a pity if the exact same thing applied to CK2 and you could get way stronger CBs and way easier, too.
But then you couldn't pretend that's not how the game rolls, so here we are

>>2268800
What are you talking about
In ck3 as a tribal you can just subjugate anyone. Or they can just straight up do conquer duchy wars against anyone without a need for a CB. In CK2 you can only subjugate inside a kingdom and only other pagans.
In ck3 as a feudal lord, you can just have your chancellor spawn a duchy claim after like 1 or 2 years while in CK2 you have a low chance each year for him to fabricate a county claim

>>2268739
Money isn’t an issue.

Sooo… What are the essential DLCs for CK3?

>>2268820
And meanwhile, in actual CK2:
As a tribal you can just subugate anyone. Or they can just straight up do conquer kingdom wars against anyone they feel like. They can also dismantle empires
You can have your chancellor spawn a duchy claim with 22% default chance in 6-8 months, 40% if he's skill 15 or higher, taking 3-4 months. Either way, you get a county claim if he fails
Have you tried actually PLAYING the game you are meming about?
People who insist CK2 is some big brain game never cease to amaze me how clueless they are about its mechanics.

>>2269279
If money isn't an issue, then all of them are needed.
And if money is an issue, then pirate them all.

Any tips for forming a kingdom UNDERNEATH the HRE in ck2? I always like playing as a shadow emperor vassal, taking as much territory underneath me as possible, but I can never actually create or get my liege to create a kingdom for me to take (which would let me have duchy vassals).
it's very fun to schmooze the pope and get him to grant you claims on lands.

>>2270678
Just pump out 3.5 kids, marry them for some strategic alliances to major powers in the empire, and then get a claim on duchies by marriage, fabrication, or papal.
The HRE has all sorts of titular kingdom titles you can form, but I recommend just grabbing whatever and seeing what sticks. If it takes a generation or two, don't sweat it.
If you are going too far above your demense/vassal limits, don't be afraid to do something like grant a duchy to your grown child or brother, even if it means you will lose that duchy because you are still a duke. Your family will still hold the title and they could be a reliable ally in future wars. Being the same dynasty means it'll be much easier to get a claim from the Pope if you must and remarry into their line for consistent alliances.
You could also take over a different kingdom first and just swear fealty to the HRE.

My recommended start for you is 1066, the County of Cham (Bavaria), Otto von wittelsbach. Their dynasty held land across the HRE and ruled as kings in many kingdoms, especially in the 19th century. They ruled until the early 20th as kings of Bavaria. Pretty perfect for this sort of campaign, and they have a great dynastic coat of arms.
The 1066 Karling and von Habsburg starts are also great for this.

>>2270768
you don't understand. I can't grant a duchy because I am a duke. I cannot gain a kingdom because neither the HRE emperor nor I can or will create it. I can give multiple counties to one count vassal, but that usually ends up with them either taking the duchy themselves (and becoming no longer my subordinate) or things exploding in inheritance.

I couldn't really get into CK2, because I wanted more abstraction, like EU. But I can understand why someone else who likes different things might like it a lot.
CK3 just sucks.

>>2270832
You made me jump into the game to verify this. It could be due to some settings I play on, but you can grant a duchy even when you are a duke, even when you are a vassal too. That duke becomes independent of you (though still a vassal of your liege). You can use this to your advantage by landing your close relatives/spouse for an easy alliance; better to have an ally than nothing, after all.
You mean to say that your liege (or your liege's liege, or your liege's liege's liege) creates the duchy title and grants it to your vassal. A vassal can't create/usurp an equal or greater title to their liege (although they can acquire them in other ways and pop out, such as being granted them or pressing claims). Due to this risk, you should horde duchy titles at this stage.
There is a duchy limit of 2, but it's only -10 vassal opinion for each over the limit and -40 from vassals in that duchy. You can easily get to 4 duchy titles and be pretty fine.
As for gaining the kingdom title, you'll get there eventually. The HRE is dotted with small kingdom titles to form. I recommend grabbing land everywhere you can and forming the easiest kingdom from there. Lotharingia and Arles tend to be what I usually form.

>>2272027
i tried frisia and was completely incapable of forming a kingdom although i had all of the normal requirements for it.

>>2272359
Mouse over the Create button on the title and it should tell you its requirements. Most titles do not have particularly unique requirements and Frisia is no different.
It's a little obscure, but you need at least two duchies to form most (maybe every?) king titles. The game considers this "Great Duchy" status and increases your demense limit for having a second one. That's the most likely requirement you're missing.
To avoid gaslighting you, I will admit that a very few titles do have hidden requirements for some reason. The Titular Kingdoms in the HRE, for instance - like Franconia - require that you hold the respective duchy and at least two duchy titles (I think). But you can trust most like Frisia.

Also, if you want to make this baby mode easy for yourself, you can play the Duchy of Swabia in 1066. If you just get enough piety/gold, you already hold land to make a second duchy title and you can then form the titular kingdom of Swabia off the bat.

>>2272453
>The game considers this "Great Duchy" status and increases your demense limit for having a second one. That's the most likely requirement you're missing.
no. i have somewhere around 2k hours in the game and can do pretty much anything from anywhere (never managed to get a run going with that infertile lady though). i didn't get tripped up by some basic issue.
i don't have the game installed on this pc, but i'm pretty sure the issue was not having the right culture & there being hidden special requirements for the HRE to form its kingdom titles. i'd have to dig in the files, but it must've been something big enough to discourage me from trying entirely.

>>2272543
I'm very confident that there isn't. I just formed Frisia last night as the Germanic, Swedish king of Sweden. I did this so that I could fabricate a claim on the HRE and take it over. Pleased to report that my plan succeeded and the HRE is truly the most abominable thing imaginable in my timeline.

>>2272602
you formed frisia AS a HRE vassal?

>>2265741
Imperator is actually really fucking good
It doesn’t really have the infinite longevity of Paradox’ best games but for a at least a few runs it’s a blast. Epirus in Imperator is one of those runs that gives me the GSG itch even when I haven’t played vidya in ages.
Otherwise I’d recommend CK2, CK3 is too RPGish for me and it makes everywhere feel the same

>>2265741
The thing I miss the most about ck2 is the cruelty: being able to mutilate people, if you keep doing it they'll eventually be only head, torso, one hand, one eye (if you don't blind them), one leg and no penis.
Ck3 still has castration and blinding, you can even argue the castration is more in depth as you can get a beardless eunuch but it's just not as cruel. There's also a genocide mod and dark world mod for coomer gameplay, my fondest memory is imprisoning a rival king, turned him into a female, gave her big breast and beautiful potions and making her my concubine.
Also the varied executions:
https://youtu.be/BYiugu6jez8
The thing I hate about ck3 is the event spam and the limb penis council.
Everything else I prefer ck3

>>2288817
THIS is true music, not the shit kids hear these days.