I've been lurking around here and people seem to mention Total War a lot. I talked to one of the guys at my local GW I know, and he recommended Medieval 2, but Rome Remastered looks pretty interesting (Rome is cool). I know basically nothing about Total War. I have only played traditional RTS games and X-COM when it comes to strategy. Which one is the better choice, or is there a better 'beginner' game out there?(I'm a zoomie btw, but I don't care what year it's from or how old it is. I generally prefer historical to Warhammer fantasy, though)
>>2280089start with the greeks
>>2280098do you mean Troy or the Alexander expansion?
>>2280089its fine, dont listen to them miserable old fags.like why on earth would you start with 20+ year old games they're janky as fuck
>>2280112Eh, I've played janky games before, I love the shit out of some games older than I am, personally I think when you look past some 'badly-aged' stuff games can be great
But as said, I have no experience with TW so I could be wrong
>>2280089thats a fine buy, it gives you both the classic game and the remastered game so you can use mods on both ends and then if you like it or hate it you can go to nu total war or old total war.
>>2280089Rome Remastered is a good starting point
The non-remastered version of Rome 1 can be gotten for free from GOG as of todayhttps://gog-games.to/game/rome_total_warIt's better than the remastered one since it has a better ui and a much smaller filesize.
>>2280198I like how GOG's sole value is to make things easier for pirates. No wonder they've been reduced to begging for tips at checkout, that thing is on its last legs financially.
>>2280089>>2280089Rome 1 and Shogun 2 were where I started, the franchise as a whole is pretty easy to get into unless you pick a faction that has a particularly difficult campaign in the game you've chosen. If you're looking for a game with a ton of variety in factions to encounter I would recommend Rome, but if that's not a huge draw shogun 2 and fall of the samurai are great.
>>2280089If you're a total newfag then I'd say Rome 2 is where you'd want to start. It will give you a taste of what total war is in current year.
>>2280100No, start as Macedonians.
>>2280607>It will give you a taste of what total war is in current year.why would you want a taste of that?moreover rome 2 is over a decade old so if you want a taste of nu total war you have to play warhammer lmao>>2280117i haven't played rome remastered but i would suggest rome 1 before med 2 since it has more charactermed 2 improves a lot of mechanics and is good in its own right but it is lacking the faction diversity from rome and there are a few noobtrapsthe older games are also more intuitive than the newer ones imo
>>2280652Because it's not slophammer and anything older is not representative of modern total war
>>2280607>Attila>Thrones of Britannia>Three Kingdoms>Troy>PharaohRome 2 is practically 2 generations of historical titles ago.
Shogun 2 is objectively the best total war for a noob and here's why>Warhammer titlesWay too much confusing bullshit like magic and asymmetric factions >Rome 1, Med 2Still great titles, but don't have that same streamlined QoL found in later titles Shogun 2 has faction symmetry, streamlined gameplay, clear mechanics, and even the shape of the map means a clear line of expansion.Rome 2 is just fucking ugly so I don't even consider it
>>2280112Not every old game is jankyRed Alert 2 is a perfectly good beginner RTS
>>2280089They are all more or less the same, so as what graphical quality you want and what time period.
>>2280098i understood that reference
>>2280089>he recommended Medieval 2Shit opinion>Rome Remastered looks pretty interestingYou are a genuine newfag, nice to know>I know basically nothing about Total WarStart with Shogun 1. GOG just gave them a re-release, so you can pirate it for nothing and learn the ropes with it. If you know how to play Shogun 1, you know how to play each and every TW game.>I have only played traditional RTS games and X-COM when it comes to strategyWhich means you want S1 even more.>I'm a zoomie btwMy condolences
>>2280089Try shogun 2. Very small rosters with easy to learn counters, almost all modern qol features, looks alright and the gameplay is pretty much the same in all later games.
>>2281200>Start with Shogun 1Fuck right off
>>2280089>>2281200Also, consider this>S1Decent, great for learning the ropes, because everyone has exactly the same units with the same stats (with TINY differences), so it's very easy to learn the basic, counters and what not>M1A misguided attempt to turn S1 format into "more complex" game without having engine to do this>R1Revolutionary new systems, endless moddability and easily the best of the old ones, but not exactly newfag friendly in terms of learning curve; mastering one faction gives you just that - a single faction mastery>M2Meme: The Game; anyone telling you this is peak TW never actually played it>EWarscape teething phase combined with revolutionary redesign and further muddied by teething phase of Steam; effectively guilty pleasure game that's shite, but can be still enjoyed; any skills from this game are non-transferable to any other TW>S2Easily the peak of the whole franchise; far more complex (but that doesn't make it complex or hard by itself) than S1; ironed out bunch of kinks Warscape had and fun to play, but S1 is still easier to learn and with more transferable skills>FotSOriginally expansion, now stand-alone, that's just S2 with Boshin War paint job; best line infantry game from TW>R2Where to even begin... this is pretty much the game where CA shat the bed and then decide to wallow in that shit; eventually got fixed and patched, but it's still and underwhelming game that introduced a whole host of shitty mechanics>AtillaOriginally planned as expansion to R2, turned into a "separate" game to cut ties with the marketing disaster of R2; shit game through and through, since it's half-baked attempt to unfuck unpatched R2; eventually R2 got patched and Atilla is still stuck in the limbo>WH1Teething phase of WH, entirely skippable and avoidable>WH2Irons out the shit out of WH2, but suffers from eventual power creep; sold so well, GW restarted WHFBThere are no other TW games. Anyone claiming otherwise is crazy and lying.
>>2281215You first.OP asked for the most newfag friendly TW.There is NOTHING more newfag friendly than S1. And S1 is currently the easiest to pirate, so he can play the game and see if he actually likes the format, rather than paying money and then end up with a game that has 5 hours of gameplay to it.Speaking of pirating:gofile VslfHOAnd please don't be the zoomershit who has no idea how to use gofile, that's below boomer internet illiteracy
>>2281229>Expecting any kind or sort of competence from zoomersL M A OOL
>>2280089I played one of the Rome ones, one of the Japanese ones, and the Three Kingdoms one, and I couldn't get into any of them.
>samefagFigured it was bait. Fucking retard.
>>2280100Nobody played TW Troy
i have R1 permanently installed on my ancient HDD i remember going through hoops looking for working crack, did GoG add anything worth of value? Im looking for special bugfix to the way camera jumps when you double click on unit tab, in base game its bugged and resets your postion instead flying to that unit, its fixed in Alexander and i found way to play base game campaign thorough Alexander engine but it creates other issues like your faction leader being immortal.
>>2281229It’s like 7 bucks for a steam key, it’s not a huge investment.Also no I’m luckily not retarded when it comes to pirating
>>2280089Just pick a fucking game and play it niggerHow am I supposed to know what a dumb fuck like you likes? Fucking loser. Bet you're from fucking gaul too you uncivilized subhuman. You're a real piece of shit and any thought of you fucking infuriates me you gaulic sack of shit. Gods...I hate Gauls. My grandfather hated them too, even before they put out his eyes. Did you think I'd be out here on the frontier without good reason? Yes, Rome needs a strong frontier. No, Rome doesn't need unwashed barbarians at her gates! So, that's why I'm here, the leader of the Julii: to bring Roman order to stinking Gauls. Revenge? That'd be good too. This war against the Gauls won't last long, and when it's done, I've got plans. This is all about power, power in Rome. Going down that road means dealing with all my rivals: the Senate, the Greeks, those Carthaginian elephant-riders, the Scipii and the Brutii families too. After all, the man who controls Rome rules the world...and one day, I will be Emperor
>>2281229>>2281200Shogun 1 suck balls tho,tf are you on? If someone want to experience TW, they usually want to experience what R1/S2/ME2 offers, not that janky ant game>>2281222>Atilla is le badOverall consensus begs to differ, games is fine nowadays, not on R1/S2 level of polish, but quite gudDunno why you didn't mention Napoleon, which is basically what Empire was supposed to be and had the best naval combat>>2280089Medieval 2, Shogun 2 and Rome 1 Remastered are your golden standard. Good music, good replayability, neat faction unlock shenanigans, and they play quite well, the units are way more responsive in comparison to newer titles
>>2281222>Decent, great for learning the ropes, because everyone has exactly the same units with the same stats (with TINY differences), so it's very easy to learn the basic, counters and what not Has a fair amount of dodginess in places, the bloodline mechanic is kinda shit compared to M:TW. Also morale and fatigue feel off compared to M:TW. >A misguided attempt to turn S1 format into "more complex" game without having engine to do this Nah, it's okay. Spears work properly (2 ranks), pikes work properly (4 ranks), only dodginess is regarding firearms (but, then again, the only TW title which didn't have dodgy firearms is Napoopan), short-ranged skirmishers like kerns or jinetes (the standard skirmish behavior causes them to be useless, and you have to micro them, which is annoying), and the grenade throwers (but those tended to blow themselves up in S:TW as well, so not much difference here). I just have a soft spot for the old Risk-style map. Viking Invasion is somewhat closer to S:TW (smaller map, more similar units), but playing as the vikings is a lot less fun compared to playing as the mongols in MI. >Meme: The Game; anyone telling you this is peak TW never actually played it It would've been great if not for some really fucking annoying bugs (two-handers, pikes etc.), which only got fixed recently (and I'm not sure if even completely). I still think it's worth a look (with unofficial patches), though I prefer the Crusades and Britain mini-campaigns. >There are no other TW games. Anyone claiming otherwise is crazy and lying. Nah, ToB (speaking of Britain) is relatively okay, from a thematic standpoint. Only problem is, most of the troops are just various flavors of spearmanii. While this is accurate, it's also pretty boring.
>>2281200Ahaha, see op that's what I was earning you about: a jaded miserable oldfag, here he comes and tries to force his childhood nostalgia googles on you
I know a lot of people shit on Remastered for the UI but it runs well on modern systems (OG gives me 20 fps) and has some nice QoL features. My preferred way to play the game these days
>>2281535I think hyr's more of a attentionstraved zoomie baitfag to be honest
>>2280089I want zoomers to stop ruining great games with their cringeGo play fortnite, kiddie
>>2281525>muh LE JUNKNoose, now
>>2281571>Remastered>nice QoL featureslolRemastered exists to fleece zoomershits via "muh superior graphix" and pretending it fishes anything at all, while having worse actual performance than Rome 1. Not my fault your preferences are shit.
>>2281525Except the overall consensus is that Atilla was a half-hearted attempt to salvage Rome 2, and eventually Rome 2 completely surpassed it with patches - without either game becoming good, just one less bugged than the other and with slightly less polish. We recently even had a thread about this.Atilla has Rome 2 bugs that aren't addressed to this day, despite being fixed in Rome 2 over a decade ago. That's how bad it is. And since Rome 2 fixed unit collision, while Atilla didn't...>>2281529Nta, but Med 1 main problem is map scale and mobility vs game itself. And it comes directly from porting Shogun 1 risk-style map, without Shogun 1 easy access to ports and also the terrible ship mechanics for transport. So yeah, units might properly engage in combat, except you have to conquer non-coastal provinces and set up bunch of stuff to even move around properly. Of the two, Shogun 1 is ironically more polished, despite being the first one and a big experiment in general, whereas Med 1 is just a half-assed bridge between Shogun and what Rome 1 became with a completely new engine.I am forever mad they didn't expand the Rome/Med 2 engine further and jumped for Warscape.
Total warhammer 3 is fine and I don't understand all the hate other than the horrible optimization.
>>2281753>LESpeak like a human, machinetard
>>2280089Rome 1 and Med 2, the best that TW has to offer. Rome 1 can feel a bit wonky with morale shifts & the instant responsiveness of cavalry, but it's still great. Shogun 2 is also good but idk as much about the setting. Napoleon TW is also very fun, but save for later.
>>2281688Nigger fortnite sucks ass, I may be a zoomie but I'm not a zoomie with a completely fucked attention span
>>2280089I started with Shogun 2 and it was good. You can get FotS as well so you can experience guns and artillery, other TWs don't have that.
>>2281872heros and lords are gay
>>2282069>You can get FotS as well so you can experience guns and artilleryNapoleon has great arty, and lets you larp tactics such as aiming at the ground and bouncing cannonballs into enemy formations
>>2280089Like so many anons on the thread I also recommed Shogun 2, unless you heavely dislike the Japanese aesthetic.You can also try gunpowder warfare if you buy Fall of the Samurai even if it's not as interesting as Empire/Napoleon.
>>2281688we're going to throw you from the ättestupa
>>2280089Rome and Med 2 are both good. They're the golden age of the franchise. Rome will probably be more beginner friendly of the two.
For a brand new player, something more streamlined like Shogun 2. It offers a good challenge and good balance. Has sweet late game prizes like matchlock units and the black ship. Plus you can get fots line infantry and artillery kino. If you like the total war gameplay, you'll really enjoy the more gold plated titles like rome 1 and the holy grail of medieval 2. Games which are less appealing for newbies because of the jank that comes with the nature of their age. But even vanilla, unmodded m2tw is still more fun and soulful than nearly every other total war.
>>2280089TW is mid.
>>2281222... but Three Kingdoms is actually fucking good. I get why people hate the recruitment system, but it's literally the only TW that AI can play and be semi-competent at it
>>2284131>but it's literally the only TW that AI can play and be semi-competent at itshogun 2
Wait till these guys drop their update next year anon-kun.
>>2280679This is the right answer.Modern controls.Units are snappy to orders.It's clear what bests what.Some provinces are special so you can make better of (your favorite unit).It's beautiful, the maps are great, and it's fun firing that final volley into the last remaining enemy soldier and he gets hit like a meme reaction gif with 200 arrows.
Medieval 2 is great but the junk is real.Units on walls don't like to respond to movement orders, you basically have to make them walk, not run from the ground to the walls.Crossbows on walls suck.Double clicking with cavalry is not actually a charge. There is a set distance that the unit begins a change from and you have to single click it and the unit can't be all stringed out. Then they will lower their lances and do a uniform devastating charge.Double clicking is fine kinda but it's not great.Archers are deaf dumb and blind when reloading and won't follow orders right unless you click a million times.Fire arrows will be useless except one time when you need to make a superior force route in the 500 hours you play the game.Not to mention all the cheese.Fantastic game though.
>>2284166They removing the bloat finally?
>>2284269Actually, bloat is good!But they are removing some bloat. From 1800 settlements to around 1300. They are also working on a map with 500 settlements though I think that is less priority than the main map.
>>2284143Shogun 2 AI>Can't into agents at all, other than trying to send ninjas and kill your generals>Can't into cavalry at fucking all, being utterly incompetent with charges>Can't into charges in general, so it's very easy to pincer it>Can't into proper ranged combat, especially when it comes to castle defense (putting archers to towers, letting melee units sit useless)>Can't diplo at all, even without Realm Divide>Can't into trade, even if it wanted to>Can't into province development, since it's using slot system that AI can't use>Can't into naval, since it's Empire's system without Empire's broadsides and AI doesn't "know" thatAnd from all those listed, the only thing AI in 3K struggles is province development if they have shitty resources in the openingDon't get me wrong: S2 still has one of the better AIs in the whole TW. 3K simply was the peak, but barely anyone paid attention.
>>2281831>you have to conquer non-coastal provinces and set up bunch of stuff to even move around properly. Shogun always felt weird to me with the auto-transport thing between ports. Med 1's implementation is somewhat clunky (and the storm events where you lose around half the squadron are annoying), but I prefer it to some random fucker getting the drop on one of my port provinces.
>>2284939OK retard
>>22849393k was really fucking good mechanics-wise and design-wise, it surprised me how good it was. I hope they model med3 after it, just without the colorful playdough 3d models and make the art and style a bit more gritty, like attila. I really really really wish they modeled warhammer in the same way they did 3k instead of basing warhammer on kids slamming action figures into eachother.>wahhh but 3k has single unit super units too!!Dont care, i have 500hours in it and all of it is on records mode, instead of the retarded dynasty-warriors spinoff romance mode.
>>2284708but honestly dafuq you do with 1800 settlements? sounds tedious
>>2281872Warhammer has retarde superunits that completely destroyed game balance and the feeling of tactical depth that total war was supposed to emulate.It wouldnt be criticized nearly as much if they kept things more grounded and closer to the tabletop. Single entity monsters were already a stretch, but could be understandable if their stats were tweak a bit, but shit like karl franz or igvald massacring entire armies single handed and not losing even half their hp is indefensible. The commander+bodyguard system is superior to "supermen" in all senses.
>>2285344Managing 100 settlements is hardly more work than managing 10 settlements since you will use the same build order in all of them anyway.
>>2281872Literally just historicalfags acting like total war hasn't always been kinda shit in one way or another
>>2285344high settlements is kino of the highest order. youre not managing all 1300 all at once, but such density allows for more regional campaigns. conquering greece feels like an actual campaign on its own instead of a 5 province rush with smaller settlement counts. plus all the different factions is kino.
>>2285358I would say it is at the very least ten times more work
>>2285354>retarde superunitsJust like literally every total war game?
Shogun 2 has Taiko Shuffle in it. Other titles do not. There fore, Shogun 2 is superior.Q.E.D.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4QWG4Y_UAM
>>2285886for me, it's Duty Callshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t553ikh0isI
>>2285864No
>>2286102Name one that doesn't
>>2286225shogun 2 total war
>>2284256I only wish it had the alt move thing in battles and I probably wouldnt play anything else
>>2286227Cute. Tercios say hi to your dumb ass.
>>2286237alright you got me, one DLC faction has one unit that can be called OP
>>2286248Yeah, I got myself a prime thoroughbred zoomie retard. Not that you lot are rare around this place.
I just ended up buying Rome 1 and starting with Julii, still trying to learn it. Any anons have advice for beginners?
>>2287380I'll give you one since it's not too apparent. You can bribe other roman faction armies and resettle them. But seriously, figure the game out on your own as much as you can. It's not complicated and you'll find it more enjoyable.
>>2287380Why would you buy Rome one instead of the remaster zoomie boy gog shit?
>>2285374So new update when
>>2287380Public order becomes a big problem. The barbarian factions have it even worse than the romans. Try to maximize the long term public order. Every 0.5% population growth bonus or faming level will lead to another -5% public order in the long term which is a bad thing. So as the Julii you should build temples of Jupiter rather than Ceres.It can be a good idea to send an army on a boat to capture the Zeus statue before the Brutti get to it for a global public order bonus.
>>2287437probably late summer if im being generous
>>2287380Try putting hoplites in a corner
>>2287432I bought the remaster so I got rome 1 for free and remastered to play when I am able to run it
In terms of Medieval 2, Rome Remastered, and Shogun 2, what order should they be played in from least to most feature complete/QoL mechanics?
>>2288804M2 to R to S2
>>2289335Thanks
>>2287380greece is where the money is at
>>2280607>It will give you a taste of what total war is in current year.Rome 2 is more than a decade old and it doesn't have heroes and lords, it is absolutely not nu-TW lmao
>>2287380Hammer and anvil
>>2291855I prefer the cock and balls approach of roman factions
>>2291863So does your mom
>>2292416I walked into that one, didn't I lol
