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>>2295368
I made a neutral template version too if anyone wants to make fun of other things.

https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Leaked Yorty Doc. Exactly what you'd expect from mango.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.
https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.
https://files.catbox.moe/wc3nax.png - Hall flowchart. Go left-liberal or get a fail state.
https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.
https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.
https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.
https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.

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>>2295368
>>2295371
>REWORK REVIEW
>"Plankton's New Order: Last Days of Bikini Bottom" somehow completely overshadows all of TNO's releases this year (low bar).
>French proposal and several US flowcharts leaked.
>Leaks confirm that TNO leadership elections are suspended until Mango's hand-picked leads want them.
>All of Latin America, the Caribbean, Iberia, Faroes, Iceland, Falklands and British Atlantic possessions said to have been added to the rework list.
>Only 1/3 of TNO's designers and writers make their draconian quotas according to new RT leaks.
>DV is not planned to release before Germany meaning that 2026 may be completely empty in terms of releases.
>Coding for the reworked 1964 US presidents has only just begun.
>Iberia facelift possibly releasing in Q1 next year. It actually seems fine!
>Insider anon says that Iberia is the only tag being finalized for release but notes that it's been in that state for months.
>Insider anon also says that Germany, USA, Manchuria Russia are in active dev but that neither is likely to see releases in 2026.
>Rises Again is updating their Iranian CW and is honestly making more changes than I can list here.
>We have so few news that I moved the leaked builds to the third post to make room for more USA and France leaks.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Making sure these aren't lost again.
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

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It's been a bit. This is all sourced from the internet archive.
TNO has basically stopped all growth as they have only grown by 5k in the past 4 months compared to TFR's 60k.

>>2295286
No joke it it seems like an alright update. Iberia has been neglected for years and there's nothing about it that seems crazy. I don't think it'll turn things around but I think it'll go over like Requiem's South Africa update or TFR's Kaliningrad Animal update after it was patched: it's fine, a few anons play it and post their reviews and talk about it, but that's gonna be it. Still, nice to have a TNO update on the horizon that might actually release and be a country anyone actually wants to play. They really should've released the Antarctica update alongside it by the way if it really is close to releasing. Antarctica vibes better with this season than autumn and at least then those devs wouldn't have gotten shit on like they did becuase Germany never releases.

>>2295406
>TNO has basically stopped all growth as they have only grown by 5k in the past 4 months compared to TFR's 60k.
Grim. Even if TNO somehow ends up winning it'll be a Pyrrhic victory at best.

>>2295406
This is like hecking Guangdong vs Manchuria mechanic!!

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>>2295376
>"Plankton's New Order: Last Days of Bikini Bottom" somehow completely overshadows all of TNO's releases this year (low bar)
>it's real
>Alex Yiik profile pic
>posted here a long time ago about making a spongebob mod
>I can't tell if this is genuine or pissing on TNO's corpse with that roadmap

>>2295412
From what I've seen via leaks and the devs talking about it. Iberia will around an 8/10 update, 9/10 at best and 6/10 at worst. The problem is of 2 things. 1. Lots of Iberia's content will get fucked due to DV messing up Algeria, and the SAW to where a lot of time was spent for nothing. #2 which also includes CA with this is that it is really damning on the V&J team to not have this update close when they have by far a larger team than Iberia. Lamouiner im still shocked has not been sent to the gulags for his incompetnece. I will enjoy Iberia as it is some European content for the first time in almost 2 years and will congratulate the Iberia team for their work since they seem like the only team do be doing shit as of now.

>>2295531
Both, probably. It's so funny lmao.

VP Full Flowchart: https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png
Hawaii Crises: https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png
Goldwater Tree: https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg
Wallace Tree: https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg
UK Flowchart: https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png

>>2295539
yeah i think that like Brazil i will enjoy Iberia, the problem is that every time an update comes it just shows how TNO just dosent hold itself up anymore. cant make new tags, only reworks, cant make any meaningful progress happening, and every update is plaged by constant back and forwards.

>>2295582
Merry Christmas to you, Leaker-anon!

>Leaks confirm that TNO leadership elections are suspended until Mango's hand-picked leads want them

Just to play devils advocate leadership elections seem like a bad idea. It just seems like it would slow down development and intensify clique infighting.

>>2295759
Were the old elections actual votes or just a deciding by consensus kind of deal?

>>2295759
It would now, yes. The system has been completely destroyed by them abolishing them after Mango took over. The leak just confirms the depth of the rot.

>>2295851
They were simple majority votes from a list of candidates.

>>2295582
So hilarious that Goldwater's path is all about him being le heckin evil anti-union anti-welfare guy that nukes Haiti.

What exactly is the difference between Goldwater and Reagan? Tno and otl

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>>2296069
Goldwater IRL is more of a hard libertarian (or at least campaigned as one) while Reagan ended up being the gold standard for conservatism until Trump reformed the GOP. It deserves to be mentioned that Reagan as we know him arguably wouldn't have happened without Goldwater's campaign and its influence on American conservatism. Both are pretty normal politicians all things considered with their own quirks and evolutions, but I won't get into them here. I'm sure some other anon has already started out writing about how Goldwater was shit because of his stance on the CRA or how the amnesty bill means that Reagan never stopped being a liberal. I say "normal" as in "they weren't insane". Goldwater was very unconventional for his time and infamously suffered one of the greatest electoral defeats in US history. Reagan, by contrast, can be said to have been one of the most successful US politicians of the 20th century. Neither were insane warmongers, and Reagan famously initiated détente with the USSR.

In-game Goldwater is currently a pretty hard-right small government conservative that goes hard on socialism and organized labor while his updated version is a villain-of-the-week that nukes blacks for fun and turns all blacks into indentured servants or some shit. No, the image is not a meme. Although I guess recreational nukes is very ancap, it was never a stance Goldwater advocated for - thanks for that blunder, Mango. Reagan on the other hand has a full bio in the Vote Pig proposal, you can read that though I'm sure he's been reworked fifty times already since then.

You can expand a lot on both I'm sure but this should be an OK primer.
t. some schmuck Midwest normiecon.

>>2296085
Mango giving us TND. Bless him, I hope we get to nuke the Congo as well.

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>>2296112
Mango's botched anti-Republican smear tactics once again becoming the only parts of the mod HOI4 players actually look forward to, ladies and gents.

>>2296116
Why do you think people will only be hyped for imperial nixon? Because it is the only fun thing that will not be a commentary about how the dems are so good and the gop is so bad. Its just one man wanting to be king of america. Which will be kino

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>>2296121
100%. Fasist dictator Nixon is unironically the only thing in Selection Suidae that I actually care about. It'll be so based and every single preachy event about Nixon strangling black toddlers to death that the Mangooner crafted will only reinforce how based his route is.

>>2296128
"Why do people only love imperial nixon?"

"What about my pages on pages about Sam Yorty!"

"What about showing that republicans are the real fascists!"

"What about all that time I spent on that GUI!"

I want him to only be known for imperial nixon, I suggest everyone playing it and glazing imperial Nixon. Fuck the Yorty path, fuck the 29 other paths that are not Nixon. Let him define it, and make Mango cry about it.

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>>2296141
I'm pretty sure that's already been guaranteed since day one. Literally the only thing QPQ and Mango's ever done that's been received positively is making Nixon a based leader that wins all wars for America and keeps being re-elected over and over again.

>>2296156
You think QPQ ropes after the flop. He seems like a massive fag to do it

>>2295406
its possible that after a certain point, growth starts slowing down. Just like in real life.
lets wait and see morre

>>2296085
Yeah I saw the toozer. Unironically love it,the Haiti proxy is too complicated and I want to have a “fuck you die”option to it. Thanks for the paragraph.

>>2296160
There is no way xhe does not.

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>>2296204
Same. It used to be that Huttig was the avatar of TND but now Goldwater will be. He's a Jew too so it even goes against their pretend-Palestinian LARPing by being a rare Jewish W.

>>2296209
From what I heard Wallace can do it so we can get even more TND. Thank you Mango you've made everyone love the Haiti proxy in some way.

>>2296215
Can confirm, Wallace can also do it. MFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vaB07Lc7Mc

>>2296085
yes Goldwater is misrepresented, but at the same time the new goldwater is actually more interesting than the IRL one, so in the end i think this is a bonus. if i had any big criticism it would be that going so hard against socialism, in a world dominated by nazism, is weird for american foreign affairs.

>>2296390
>TNO devs ignoring the entire premise of their mod to write political fanfiction
I guess there's a first time for everything.

>>2296393
a lot of TNO is like this, but it used to be for unknown figures so it didnt really matter. Sablin is like this for example

>>2296396
Wrong, that's the opposite of what I was saying. A lot of Russian leaders have ahistorical traits but that's always explained in-universe by their entire society being destroyed in WW2. No, the person who Rurik II was irl never went mad and declared himself King after destroying his brain with vodka but I can accept it because his backstory explains it. He went mad because he was betrayed and the Red Army fell apart. It's extreme but I can suspend my disbelief and go along to the fiction.

Meanwhile Goldwater does TND and tries to crush the reds solely because Republicans are le bad. Yes he's more interesting just like Rurik but how does that make sense, especially when they made America more stable and otlist in the rework?

>>2296399
yeah i didnt understand your message prior you're right

You can actually pinpoint the moment TNO got taken over by these gaytheists on the commserver. Its when they stopped saying merry christmas and started posting "Muh trans rights" and " much fuck ICE". Sad!

>>2296202
Or maybe TNO has flatlined because it's in dev hell

>>2296202
Do you think reworking the entire mod from scratch and replacing their audience with one uninterested in playing HOI4 impacted their growth numbers?

>>2296528
It's like asking people about the Armenian genocide. Most say it did happen but you will always have a couple of dumbasses saying no. Same thing here most say yes but those cocksuckers in the commserver will say everything is fine and that its a good thing when intergrating shit submods like DV.

>>2296516
>>2296528
>>2296563
Yes I think those affected the mod and may have killed it but Im still accounting for the possibility there might be a growth ceiling for hoi 4 mods and etc. if the fire rises keeps growing fast after they surpass tno, then the tno team did indeed kill their mod

>>2297237
We know that the ceiling is a lot higher than TNO's. Just look at Kaiserreich or MD.

>>2297393
>looks at kaiserreich and md numbers
oh, oh thats fucking grim

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>>2297393
This pretentious pretender could never hope to even breathe the same air as the true Kaiser of the Workshop let alone usurp His rightful throne.

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Kazakh warlords are back on the menu

How much of a mangoite nudev fag is Big Weld? Havent seen more than his TND kino for tfo in a previous thread

>>2297928
He's in their camp but not a total retard. By some accounts posted here he started to slip after DV. In the current context of TNO, consider him a reformer, maybe?

God, what a bleak timeline where the hardcore ultrarealists of 2022 are the moderates of today. TNO is truly dead.

>>2297928
Isn't that the guy that said TFR had zero Chinese devs.

>>2298072
Yes, it is. Though tbf he hasn't been on the drama radar for quite a while I think.

>>2298067
>By some accounts posted here he started to slip after DV.
What a load of bullshit, he adjusted Africa setup in his mod to DV lore within weeks after the integration announcement, he's as retarded as all of them are

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>>2298097
Wrong and dumb. TFO was adjusted to DV years before it was made official. Weld bitched about them overstepping it though. Thus: Big Weld is like the reformist clique of an insurmountable political party.

>>2297393
The humble RT56:

>>2298122
I don't understand what this map (extremely outdated) is supposed to show, since everything presented in this Africa setup is bits of pre-DV lore, with Cameroon leading PALF and big-ass Congo Lake, for example. One thing different is EAW, which was a submod for TFO weld worked on before he became a lead lol.
You can go to their comm server, open 'dev-diary' (lmao) channel and read, or at least look at the map, about setup adjustment in the diary with a title that is literally named after this fucking submod.

>>2297808
Requiem on it's way to fix TNO's mistakes, so it seems. Does anyone know what their next update is about?

>>2298097
DV is not even integrated besides the congo lake, thats literally the only not new piece of TNO africa in TFO

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>>2298122
Thats old, retard

>>2298202
What about TRO how is that mod doing and is one of their leads another nufag?

>>2299625
It's dead, Jim.

If you were to make a COD campaign about TNO, how would you do it and why?

>>2299786
Something like Black Ops Cold War, duh

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>>2299786
>BLOPS but you're a Pakt officer that gets transferred between the three Reichskommissariats in the SAW
>Alternate between fighting judeo-liberal storm troopers from America in more conventional battles and then fight the ANC in guerrilla fights (not blatant propaganda to make you enlist btw)
>More clandestine operations against the judeo-liberal regime and its satraps around the world
>Fully compatible with Netzram with state-operated servers providing excellent ping times
A real gem from back in the day when the boomers in Germania were too decrepit and tech-illiterate to properly over-regulate the vidya market.

>>2299786
Worldwide campaign as a Werbell mercenary as you fight across the globe for the most unthinkable of factions.

>>2298181
Probably will be some touch ups in a few warlords, more content for Mann and integration with a few submods (Tsars and Soviets)

I posted this on Reddit, but thought it would be worth reposting here. It's just an idea ive been thinking up for speer lore, but I think it's a good idea,

How speer justifies rule in eastern europe

As we know, Speer doesn't care much for the well-being of the average slav in the east. All he is concerned with is maintaining regional stability and, more importantly, profitability for Germany. However, as all empires require a justification for their rule over their subjects, Speer would need one for the Slavs if he wanted their willing cooperation. Here is my idea for that justification:

Speer portrays his reformed Germany as a spiritual successor to the Russian Empire, specifically, in its desire to westernize under rulers such as Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. These Western-looking rulers and aristocrats were uplifting the Slavs; however, the revolt of the "biologically inferior" in the Russian Revolution reversed centuries of progress toward westernizing the East. Thus, the Germans had to invade to restore the natural order in Eastern Europe. Though there were some regrettable actions done by misguided German officials and "internal subversives" (read: Jews), Germany is willing to rectify those mistakes and once again restart the process of westernizing the east using Rosenbergist methods and economic development initiatives.

>>2302351
Of course, Speer wouldn't want the East to modernize too quickly; that would be a threat to German power. But Speer would allow loyal collaborators to become a sort of neo-aristocracy bound to Germany. The Slavs would run the grand plantations and factories of the east, but it would be a German in the metropole who would own them and profit the most from them.

In my view, Speer would set up a system where, instead of Germans brutalizing Slavs for German interests, it would be Slavs brutalizing other Slavs for German interests. A system of cyclical violence where new and old Slavic elites fight one another in a grand and eternal contest of who can serve Germany and her bottom line, the best.

>>2302351
>>2302356
Autistic.

>>2302351
Or speer could make up some geopolitical bullshit about how the reich's the third position between atlanticism and eurasianism which includes basically what was russian subjugated nations/former poland-lithuania

guess TNO is not getting a Christmas update or even a compatibility update any time soon

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>All other mods are getting meaningful Christmas updates
>TNO fans only get coal in their stockings
>It's courtesy of Paradox because the devs couldn't even do that
Kaiserchads keep winning.

>>2302835
This situation is so grim that they can't even release compatibility patches anymore or finish the Mango TCT mod that was supposed to be released this year.

Can anybody reupload the faction allegiances mod? The owner took it down for whatever reason and now I can't create my pan-european german economic bloc..

>>2303036
Was Vote Hog supposed to release this year? You might be getting it mixed up with V&J which was supposed to release in this year (after failing to release last year). I don't like Mango but I'm pretty sure there was never even an internal release date for 2025.

Doubt we'll see Election Piglet in 2026 either but let's keep it real here. The 2025 releases we were promised and denied were V&J and Iberia.

>>2303067
>V&J
Why do TNO devs only put their faggotry into America's content? Why is Germany, the big evil nation of doom, allowed to have good content?
>>2303059
do this right now

>>2303067
I was talking about the Campaign Trail mod that he and his clique are making called Project 2024, which they said they were going to finish to focus on vote pig. The problem is that the mod hasn't been released yet, and we're less than a year away from the supposed release of the US update.

>>2303075
Is it, really? Consider what the eternal Lamfag has done for Germany since taking over as lead.
>Goering removed, rework never
>Heydrich in dev hell (de facto removed)
>Burgundy removed (Himmler route de facto a hoax)
>Half a decade of Bormann reworks, no progress in sight
>Half a decade of Speer reworks, no progress in sight
>Every Pakt ally in Europe got reworked and most of them had their gameplay and wars removed
>All Pakt content in Afrika set to be deleted with his blessings in 2026
Not gonna lie, Mango has the upper hand on the Lamfag at this point. Even the ironically funny shit like imperial Nixon and Goldwater going TND on Haiti surpasses everything that the Brazilian Germanyboo ever made.

Holy shit, I just realized. We're in a timeline where Mango's the lesser of multiple evils. How the hell did this happen?

>>2303091
>Burgundy removed (Himmler route de facto a hoax)
please tell me this isn't fucking true
t. hasn't played TNO for 2 years

>>2303098
Burgundy is being deleted. Proof from sticky:
https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - The France dev being forced at gunpoint by Lamounier to explain why Burgundy and its rework should be deleted.
https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne proposal. The intended Burgundy rework, now deleted. Germany will instead start out with current Burgundy being annexed, because muh realism.
Originally it was assumed that Himmler would get his own route in Germany (honestly a great idea) but five years later that's obviously never happening.

Everything you hoped for in 2023 is dead and buried, play KX instead.

> Toozer Submod releases teasers every day for Christmas while TNO cant release one

Were living in the final stages of a dead mod.

>>2303108
I think even this leak is outdated with DV changing so much in french africa. It might be the collapse of french west africa that starts the governmental crisis, But that assumes that algeria would be stable which it wouldn’t be unless the french crushed the algerians in the 50s with german help

>>2303305
They're outdated but they prove that Burgundy was slated for deletion before DV was even a thing. DV for it's part has destroyed all progress that the actual France devs made and forced them to write a new 200 page proposal.

>>2303372
The proposal that your referring too is also outdated considering it only mentions algeria as a french foreign possession instead of all of west africa. though we don’t have access to the algeria proposal im assuming france holding west africa wont really change much for mainland french content except adding more useless PP sinks

>>2303401
>The latest from-scratch rework is already dead and outdated
>They have to make a third (?) 200+ page proposal
Why do the devs on the team outside of the US/German cliques even put up with this shit?

>>2303462
they don't
the reality is there is no one actually working on that stuff except the handful of leads. everyone else quit or just shitposts in devcords and never does anything (leads do that too lmao)

TNO more like TND at the Kongo lake

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>>2303650
Posts like this is PRECISELY why the glorious devs need to delete that racist lake!

>>2303462
2 reasons

1. The updates they are working on is completley non-important to either of the 2 powers so it doesnt have to be picture perfect. This is why we are getting Chilean Antartica and Iberia

2. Because most of the other leads are just like Mango and Lamounier (I'm looking directly at France and Africa). Who cares more about writing then actual planning and deving. This is why I did not trash AB for CA because he is one of the few to do shit on that team plus the Iberia devs.

For all we know these reworks could be good content but we will only know if it ever comes out.

>>2299634
why?

>>2303810
I do actually like the ideas of the reworks in concept, mostly because i’m a racist and would love to preserve the colonial empires in africa. But the lack of a coherent vision from the get go plus a slapdash approach of adding new submods without first reworking the lore of countries effected by said reworks is really infuriating

i have a question how can any of the warlords that eventually unify russia win against the germans if the russian east is a snowy shithole with no good land or industry? like i always see them beating the germans but they should never be able to do that in such a short span of time even if germany was embroiled in a civil war

>>2304398
There's a thing called HATE (And lots of human waves and OFN/Japanese support)

>>2304398
They win because you, the player, just so happens to be a superior general that can beat the odds. Simple as. Anything else is a skill issue.

>>2304398
I think it’s a similar deal with China.

The empire, long united must divide.
The empire, long divided must unite.

>>2304402
>There's a thing called HATE
larp
>And lots of human waves and OFN/Japanese support
yeah ok but siberian russia has less population than european russia

>>2304438
>Motivated troops are le larp
>They can't win statistically the auto battler would have them lose
Play something besides TNO buddy.

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>>2304398
Burgerkrieg is pretty bad, reconstruction, then the wars of reconquest in the east and the insurgencies of reinvigorated partisans and the oil crisis. Germany itself has a pretty bad time for a decade the game takes place in. Commissariats and especially Moskowien have all of this squared plus resistance and sabotage by natives.
As for Russia we can assume that the unifier's region remains mostly untouched post regional unification while damage to others could range depending who unified it and how bad the fighting would be. Anarchists wouldn't industrialize for shit while being an insurgent nightmare for example while Budyachenko would be the opposite. Add to this vast Siberian resources, Japanese and/or American economic and military support, stupid amount of war veterans and willingness to take back Moskowien and the international isolation having newly reunified Russia avoid being ravaged by the oil crisis and their chances don't seem that impossible.
I am sure Moskowien would get overrun because of how hopelessly their garrisons are undermanned and under equipped . After Germany starts to arrive in force it's anyone's guess what could happen, how supportive the public would be to fight for Moskowien, if there would be any uprisings in Ukraine, Poland or the Balkans or if any big player would be involved Vietnam style boots on the ground.
tldr it would be Korean War on steroids except Germany has no foreign support apart from it's Pakt puppets.

>>2304451
nayrt but
>Burgerkrieg
Cut. Precisely to avoid these types of things.

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>>2304452
Damn that plot armor. How could I forget?

>>2304398
This kind of talk is what led to a thousand of reworks. The real answer should be who gives a shit.

>>2304480
>Who gives a shit
TNO devs with a perfect story in mind that you shouldn't disrupt with your pesky gameplay.

What if we had a HOI4 setting based around the Russian sleep experiment?

>>2303925
DV seems the worst TFL,ODF seemed recently fine in integration since it didn't mess up the lore of many countries but DV was so managed piss poorly that it set back numerous countries in development. Here are all of them

USA
Germany
UK
France
Italy
Iberia
Brazil
plus many more we dont know of

So many countries being delayed by many months or even years because Mango wants his buds to have his OTL Cold War boner in an althist mod of the nazis winning WW2.

>>2305292
Honestly I don’t anticipate any of the promised content releasing until at least 2030 so i’m fine with a delay so that when I can get to play it by the time i’m in my mid 20s with at least a kid on the way I can at last larp as a euro nazi defending civilization and killing negroes

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Kaiserreich has just released its complete South China rework, while TNO hasn't even released a compatibility patch yet. Can we just accept that it's over?

>>2305419
The Iberia rework will save TNO

>>2305419
It's never been more over.
I see lots of mods having issues with the new DLC, but none of them have several hundred members like TNO. There has to be something with all their bolted on bullshit that breaks everything, hidden deep within their spaghetti code.

>>2305421
>Several months late
>Still no sign of the promised content for the majors people signed up for
Year late and a dollar short on that one I'm afraid. It's the best content they have in the oven right now but with the entire mod being destroyed by sweeping reworks it's not going to change the trend only slightly improve their downward spiral.

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>>2305421
>It's all fine, once the devs finish Spanish rework the mod will be back on its prime

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>>2305433
>Mango, the devs...
>The devs were unable to meet the estimated deadline. After including DV in the mod, they estimate it will take at least until mid-2026 to finish the rework. We won't be able to release anything this year

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>>2305434
>That was an order! Lamounier's rework was an order! Who do you think you are to dare disobey an order I give?! So this is what it has come to! The coders have been lying to me! Everybody has been lying to me, even the other coordinators! Our team leads are just a bunch of contemptible, disloyal cowards!

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>>2305441
>Mango, this is outrageous, I cannot permit you to insult our devs...

>>2305434
This is a joke but the goal was genuinely to have their USA rework in finetuning this year rofl

Last year, this thread had a thousand of replies after a massive leak. This year literally no one - not even the jannies that used to raid us - care one iota.
>KR, TFR, RD and several others update while TNO remains a corpse
>Iberia and V&J were lies
>Everything was delayed because of DV
>DV is even worse
It's never been this over.

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>>2297562
They're losing subscribers, not thousands like I would've wanted, but hey, 500 (700 if you compare it with the stats from that graph guy) more people unsubscribed than subscribed within less than two weeks? Not bad at all.

>>2306765
Kaiserchads and Firechuds can't stop taking one fat W after another.

So the Chinese governement pressured the whole CN team to drop out of TFR.

This is not a joke btw

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>>2306849

>TNO is so fucking dead that the only news in weeks is an unrelated team facing government clampdowns for not shilling the party line
>Despite being disbanded, TFR China team has put out more content and will put out more content in December and beyond than TNO will in 2026-29

>>2304398
I know the replies to this are copium but yes they can't win.

But does that matter? No. Look dude this is a hoi4 mod. I said this in earlier threads. When people play as Russian warlords they expect the end-game being the Second West Russian War. Hoi4 isn't realistic nor needs to be it just needs to be fun, this is the kind of thinking that ruins HOI4 mods in-general.

>Mango personally shut down the Steam servers to slow down the rate of unsubs

>>2307076
I do think they could realistically give the Germans a run for their money if they take one to two decades to develop the vast resources of Siberia. It's a freezing shithole, sure, but when it's all you have, you bet your ass theyre using it.

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>>2306879
meanwhile at Requiem:

On behalf of the Requiem Team, we'd like to wish you all a very merry Christmas! We are still busy working on the compatibility patch for the new version, but have recently made good progress in solving the major problems still preventing a release. With things having been quiet since the successful release of The Last Light we have been busy at work on the upcoming content update for The New Order Requiem. Our next update (Name TBA) will bring new playable content as well as a varied amount of polish and improvements to the warlords of Russia. Some warlords will receive more polish than others, but even some of the generic warlord systems will be touched, so every single unifier will get some improvements. As a little Christmas gift, have a look at just one of the cool things coming to Russia with our next update.

In the next update there will be an option to toggle on a system that will blacken out Russia until the four regions have been unified; this will make it a surprise to see which warlord you will be fighting until they've conquered their region.

Russian warlords can only see the nations that directly border them and those that are within their region, while the other powers in the world can only see the Russian warlord states that border the members of their sphere. As you can see from this screenshot; every warlord will be able to see different people while the outside world can only see the edges of Russia

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>>2307145
>>2307147
>The Russian anarchy is actually treated like it's this bombed out shithole no one really cares about or follows
So it's like Syria with its sixty factions no one could be added to remember until they become actual states? I guess that fits in with the world like how in old TNO Africa was just this void Germany treats like a Luftwaffe test range until the GCW.

>>2307145
>>2307147
Forcing it inside russia is a little too much imo but nothing that a toggle can not solve.

>>2307196
Yeah having a toggle would be good.

>>2307145
How exactly would this work with the Karelian war? Will it show Karelia fall into the Russian anarchy or just show it as apart of Finland until Russia unites.

>>2295368
Newest drama of the month? Merry christmas anons

>>2307445
You can clearly see it on the map as part of Finland and if Russia defeats Finland on the war and gains Karelia then the region is united and it'd no longer be a warlord anarchy.

>>2307464
There hasn't been any in a while since TNO is just dying at this point and no one cares. I guess you could count the response to their last "update" and eveeryone shitting on the Antarctica devs and somehow blaming them for the sorry state of the rest of the mod.

>>2307466
Why isn't there a good lead developer to give them objectives?

>>2307475
Because they abolished their elections after Mango took over the mod.

Merry Christmas my dear tnotards!

There's nothing to be merry about. The mod is dead and I just wasted way too much time on it.
t. as of recent former dev.

>>2307475
I honestly wonder if Five is a good lead developer; he seems like an outright spaghetti spilling sperg from everything I've heard of him. Can't Requiem find someone better already?

>>2307503
>t. as of recent former dev.
might as well post the git

>>2307503
Who were the best people behind the scenes?

>>2307546
They're talking about TNO.

>>2307558
I'm not an asshole but even if I was guess what everything has already been leaked. Nothing else has been made except some slow updates to Iberia. No one cares any more. Yippie totally releasing next year I'm sure.

>>2307577
Can you answer this?
>>2307573
Also, were the nicest people the worse devs? Or were the better devs nicer people? Was it all drama behind the scenes? Or calmer?

>>2307573
>Best people
There are lots of good people on the team but I won't mention them here. The only real assholes are the leadership clique people. Most others are just normal dudes in a bad environment.

>>2307579
Which team worked the hardest on average? Was there distrust between the leadership clique? What'd they usually discuss? Also, were promotions based on work? Was there actual hatred between people behind the scenes?

>>2307581
I'm was just a regular member, I don't know how the leadership does things other than that they're rude/insufferable in the shitposting channels.

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nice to see that requiem and tfr are on good terms

>>2307577
there is an early version of yippie/vp floating around and a more complete bormann and speer

>>2307589
They've been partnered for ages.

>>2307589
A good amount of current TFR higher ups used to be the original devs behind 2wrw so its fair to assume they have a soft spot for them

>>2307599
>United in dislike for Mango and nudevs

>>2307603
New devs are just hateable

>>2307591
hasn’t borman basically been done since the mexico update?

>>2307668
nothing is ever done; for it must be reworked as the leadership demands

>>2307579
It’s honestly shocking to me that the devs haven’t even bothered to post a christmas update or even anything like that. Did they even bother to post a message for christmas? I’ve been banned on their server so idk

>>2307677
What did you do

>>2307770
discussed some of the dev documents for manchuria and accidentally talked about manchurias social bureaucrats

>>2295368
does anyone have a greece flowchart?

>>2307677
they could've atleast made a virtue signalled update but no

>>2308068
Their mod is dead better to just release what they have and just leave it to the fans after they fucked up the entire mod

>>2308126
Imagine what Rises Again could do with a few more leaked builds full of 3/4 finished content...

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>>2308068
Meanwhile at Requiem

And here's another small Christmas sneak peek at what's coming to Warlord Russia in next year's update of Requiem! Just one of several new things that will be on the way to improve the gameplay of the Russian warlords, with several plans for all kinds of different mechanical upgrades currently being in production!

>>2308442
Requiem is going to be so peak

>>2307677
>>2308068
Now that the 25th has come and gone: Did they actually do it at all?

>>2308442
>New shared content for all Russian warlords
Kino.

>>2308455
They did nothing. No compatibility update ('if your game crashes when you move the fleet, just don't do it lol'), not even 'Merry Christmas' or 'Happy holidays' in announcements like they used to do before.

>>2308486
>Not even a Merry Christmas
That's just sad. I get that the patch can be hard to get out due do all the spaghetti code in TNO and it's not the fault of the few remaining coders they have but come on just putting a smile on your face this time of year goes a long way.

>>2308486
The one time Mango acts like the far-leftist he pretends to be and it's him banishing all Christmas joy in the land.

>>2308486
>Mango and xis Grinch Friends steal Christmas while Big weld spoils all his children with a million leaks

Never too late to switch to the TFO train.

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>>2308563
>TFO leaks
Anon, how could putting endless lumps coal in the children's stockings possibly be any better?

>>2308570
It shows you care, the children need It.

>>2308571
I guess a disappointing Christmas during bad times is better than Christmas being canceled due to Mango's war on Christmas.

most dead hoi4 mod award

>Only war left in TNO is Mango's and Lamounier's war on Christmas

To be honest, I think Mango and his clique have kind of given up on TNO. They seem more focused on their Campaign Trail mods; just look at how they don't even bother with Christmas or releasing a compatibility patch anymore. At this point, I don't know why he doesn't just resign and let someone competent become the lead developer.

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>>2309271
Not Mr. Current Affairs, are you? In a recent TCT post by Mango he said he'd leave TCT to focus entirely on TNO once his latest Democrat wankfest is out.
>Why x/y/z
He's a fat, friendless retard activist that does grassroots work for the Democratic Party, what the fuck do you hink?

>>2309282
Cropping out the fact that this is a response to William Fulbright is hilarious

>>2309282
He cannot even leave TCT well enough alone. He hates that anyone else dares make mods that are well-received. He wants to rule and be king even if he has to burn down everything else

>>2309282
It's amazing how the Democrats were demolished when guys like Mango aligned themselves with them, that tells you something

>>2309327
He also hasn't finished the TCT mod and we're already heading into 2026 (he's been working on it since 2024).

>>2309556
He's been an establishment centrist for way longer.

>>2308563
The very funny thing about this is that you can clearly see that they just dont care at all about their fanbase, they couldve said literally anything like the past years and it couldve worked, Big Weld and others spoiled their fanbase while Mango couldnt do the bare minimun, its a brilliant strategy by mango if he just wants to kill TNO because he is bored and doesnt have anything to do, otherwise, god knows what hes thinking

Since Mango announced that he'll leave TCT to work full time on TNO (eventually) so it makes no sense for him to deliberately kill TNO. The remaining leads are just a rotten, insulated bunch.

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>>2309615
>Mango announced that he'll leave TCT
when, this fag is still making mods

>>2310398
When his next big project is done. Yes, that one was delayed too. Feel free to feign shock.
Also I'm pretty sure that's QPQ in your screenshot.

>>2310405
No, Nixon1960 is Mango, QPQ is just u/QuoProSquid

>>2310408
>Nixon1960 is Mango
What the hell is up with this guy and seething about Nixon?

>>2310408
I thought QPQ was the Nixon seether? Jesus they're an odd duo. You'd think Nixon Derangement Syndrome would've gone out of fashion half a century ago.

>>2310463
You see they both think every GOP candidate since Nixon is Trump and therefore in their eyes Hitlerite. Which is why Imperial Nixon will be a Trump allegory of him wanting to be king while Reagan will be just showing that Trump doesn't believe in anything just with Reagan in his place. This update is just the VP team putting their whining and bitching about him which will only appease the reddit because "OMG ITS A MUH DRUMF PARODY". They view Nixon as one of the first modern conservative presidents so with their "centrist" mindset will paint them as fascist because anyone to the right of Obama is a fascist.

>>2309271
Who replaces him at this point? Corn? He already left. Bassist? Does he even want to after being cucked from the spot already?

>>2310584
I'd say Lamounier but he seems pretty happy with being the main driving force of the mod since he gatekeeps all the code.

>>2310614
Why would anyone want him to lead? If what we heard about the rumors that VP is closer to release than V&TJ with significantly less time then no one would want him because he is this fucking incompetent. So once again who else that either isn't gone already, cucked by the higherups or too stubborn to get an update out because "its not ironed out enough".

Anything about Manchuria? I remember some retards on Discord saying it would be released before Vote Pig, but we haven't had any updates in months. Is the dev team still alive?

>>2311349
Cannibalized for DV

>>2311349
There is absolutely no way manchuria releases before VP or he’ll even VnJ, I’m guessing here but i’m guessing that iberia will release in q1 of 2026, Followed by a batch release of DV and VP in q3 or 4 of 2026, Vnj will come sometime in 2027 and i’d assume the same for manchuria. Alternatively, the devs could just say fuck it and create their true passion, which is creating a slum manager for Guatemala and 10,000 events about how spics are actually good to import into the civilized world

>>2311349
Someone on the inside said that progress had stalled and that Yugo (the dev) seemed to be quiet most of the time. Guess being dragged around by Mango finally broke his spirit.

>>2311349
He agreed to let another guy rework part of his tree to deal with some inaccurate character portrayals, and that guy's just been ghosting him

>>2311412
They're fucking cooked.

>>2310398
Why is he being the team leader of a mod when he clearly doesn't even like the game for the mod?

>>2311455
Because he was elected. I think it was in January last year and the results leaked here. After a few years of only promoting realism cliquers into positions that had the right to vote you ended up with a close election between Mango and Bassist with Corn being a spoiler candidate. After winning, elections were abolished, the last few pro-gameplay holdouts got purged and releases of actual content stopped. As for why he's there in the first place it was likely just because he was friends with someone on the team and latched on to it for the vibes and story. Many such cases.

>>2311460
It's been said a thousand times, but I'm gonna say it again: TNO's internal politics are more interesting than the politics the nudevs want to portray in the mod.

>>2311468
True, I can't wait for a down the rabbit hole

>>2311460
The fact that the VP team doesn't have the biggest lolcow on the team is hilarious. Thanks Lamouiner.

>>2311376
Who hasn't at this point?

>>2311657
Who's the biggest one?

>>2305419
Real question is when the fuck is Kaiserreich releasing an update for the Internationale. I wanna play an updated commie France

>>2312080
You will eat ze 500th China rework und you will be happy.

>>2311689
Ashley idk

>>2312360
>Walked away from the mess while things were still good
>Angered no one of importance
>Has fans on both sides of the fence
Ashley is the anti-lolcow of TNO wtf are you on.

>>2312375
Free ashley she did nothing wrong

>MUH ASHLEY
Shut up you fucking tranny chasers

>>2312037
>>2312104
In the main HOI4 thread they're currently doing daily updates on TNO's death spiral as it loses thousands of subscriptions every month. No one could've predicted that removing all wars from a war game would lead to this.

Why are you chuds so ungrateful? The mod will have historically accurate and realistic Africa with tons of proxy wars!

>>2312517
Why do they even have testing roles in their discord if there's nothing to test?

>>2312520
Because all the millions of Denmark GUIs and bloated systems are held together with spaghetti code.

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>>2312480
TNO Requiem should have a path for Ashley because she is a true Han patriot

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>>2312524
Does reporting to the MSS actually get it banned?

https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1pz4l6e/%F0%9D%94%B8%F0%9D%95%9D%F0%9D%95%9D_%F0%9D%95%84%F0%9D%95%AA_%F0%9D%94%BD%F0%9D%95%96%F0%9D%95%9D%F0%9D%95%9D%F0%9D%95%92%F0%9D%95%A4/
>All of these removed comments talking about the state of the mod's release rate/content

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>>2312527
Internal team conflicts, Ashley comments on the situation

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Projection is crazy here

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>>2312531
Are these people born stupid or can they create content instead of argument

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>>2311460
Tfw the last message from the lead dev is on December 8th. No new years update probably.

>>2312531
>Mexico and Brazil are geopolitically relevant
>and that's why nothing can be allowed to happen there and the German sphere has to be content with having Paraguay

>>2312531
>We can have frontiers in shithole countries where nothing happens
>Nothing can happen in countries you care about
>No, we'll not add anything remotely worthwhile to these places where nothing ever happens, are you nuts?
Comedy.

>>2312538
Most of them never talk to the plebs. They just talk among themselves in the devcord.

Rank your favorite to least favorite TNO dev team members

>>2312550
All the good ones are gone. But I think the guys I like the most are the LATAM people. At least they release content and I guess the Antarctica guys are #2 by that logic. They also don't wreck anything. They just sit there and occasionally put out OTL slop for their home countries. It's inoffensive and it's better than whatever the other leads are doing.

>>2312531
No matter how much they try to hamfist content for irrelevant third world shitholes, no one will ever care.
No one will care about Mexican cold war politics.
No one will care about Brazillian cold war politics.
Certainly, no one will care about them compared to nations like France, Britain, Germany, Russia, Poland or Italy.

Third-worldists and "Anti-Eurocentrism" people can seethe all they like.

>>2312564
the only other place of interest is japan & china

>>2312564
People can be made to care if you have other tags with content too. Kaiserreich is a great example., people come for Russia, Germany, France and America and if they like it many then try out more obscure countries. TNO really missed that part.

>>2312566
they cut content from china too recently iirc
>>2312564
like wars would be fun but who the fuck cares about these irrelevant countries in a ww2 visual novel

>>2312573
desu its funny seeing tno fans seethe about tfr not having content when their mod hasn't been updated for like five years, it's 2026 for anons

>>2312577
Catapults inside glass houses.

Guandong was so promising...where did everything go wrong?

>>2312564
It's not even really about Eurocentrism because most people don't care about Canada, Ireland, the Nordics, Baltics or Portugal.
It's more just bias towards countries that were actually historically relevant on the global stage.

>>2312577
Does anyone even say that?
You can say a lot of things about TFR, accuse it of being a Nazi mod, say its paths are cringe, say it's 'unrealistic' or whatever but the one thing you cannot say about it is that it has no content.

>>2312530
Who even is that? How can you lack any self awareness to comment on mods being

>>2312605
dead

>>2312530
what the fuck is ttwmas

>>2312564
It’s just a fact that tno devs regardless of clique hate their own fan base, This goes as far back as the panzer and pacifica days where they actively undermined the silly aspects of the mod to make a point about how awesome liberal democracy and the post war consensus is and how awful nazism or communism is despite the objective fact that a nazi victory would be better for western europe than otl.

I think the devs actively stall europe and asian development out of spite simply to own the chuds despite it hurting the lore they’re trying to construct. For example There is no point in announcing DV when content for france or great britain isn’t even done yet, If anything they should release france and britain along with DV as a package deal since it doesn’t make sense to release proxy content for nations that are barley out of the skeleton content faze. But the devs announced it anyway, Why? Because they enjoy writing events about how brave and heroic the anti colonial resistance fighters are despite the fact that said anti colonial groups were basically a bunch of retarded barbarians who can’t even run their own countries well into the present.

>>2312605
Apparently a dev member

>>2295368

Predictions for 2026, anons?

>TNO gets one update out in july: Iberia + DV
>Iberia's pretty good but DV's just menu's and gui's and skeletons
>bunch of content gutted
>TNO's second update: 3 years of Arctic Japan in November
>fine enough except its fucking ARCTIC JAPAN not REAL JAPAN
>see you all in 2027

>Requiem gets three updates out the size of The Last Light
>not spectacular, but solid stuff while they polish shit that TNO hasn't touched in years
>gonna bet that it'll be Komi, Tuva and maybe China
>Five has another sperg out
>Still stays in charge because there's no one better around

End result: TNO's removing shit and has a minor win after a year of L's, then does nothing but eat L's for years more while by the end of 2026 Requiem is looking solid.

Any predictions, anons?

>>2312640
Just a random guy or anyone important in the mango clique?

>>2312655
Random tester (and coder for big weld's mod apparently)

>>2312658
> coder
> TFO

Do they even do anything there anymore

>>2312660
Don't think so. They just hire who they like.

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>>2312660
They had a leak spree recently, some stuff looks way better than anything TNO has presented in recent years (the bar is... not the highest, I know).

>>2312660
They have been way more active than tno this end of the year, ironically they have probably released twice the teasers

Will there be a new update for new year

>>2312667
I kneel to Big Weld. Will never group him in with Mango again, tno devfags could never. Just how big was the leak spree?

>>2312667
I kneel

>>2312667
quite a bit; manchuria tree, italy leak, china leak, guangdong leak, the phillipines is now a guangdong like state with Sony in exile being settled there, the ted kennedy presidency tree, germany start leak, supreme court gui for the US, South Africa leak

TFO is somehow succeeding where TNO can't.

Bravo Weld, I kneel, I kneel.

>>2312676
Reagan and Rumsfeld intros, Burgundian Hermit Norway (even if Weld refuses to call it that), most of the connally tree and some russia and uk stuff got teased too, its amazing what you can do when you focus on creating things instead of purging people and dev politics.

Pretty sure Weld is releasing a Dev Diary with even more stuff to reddit now.

I too kneel. Good luck to weld if Mango tries to kill his mod for vastly outperforming him.

>>2312645
>Predictions for 2026
Japanese Antarctica
3 years playable content for Argentina/Chile
Africa rework 'releases' but it's just the map change and skeleton content so in effect it's just getting rid of the RKs and South Africa content

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Can't believe I'm spending my New Years with you guys. Hope you lot have a good 2026. This mod is never going to be finished and it will always be funny to read these threads with you lads.

>>2312676
pls post all leaks here im banned on their cord because I was a bit loose lipped in base tno cord

>>2312692
Just wait until the dev diary is posted, that one has everything

>>2312645
>TNO continues its slow decline
>Iberia releases after another delay, it's alright but nothing special
>TFR surpasses TNO at some point and demoralization kicks into overdrive, likely beats TNO to 600K
>DV destroys any goodwill it created
>Holidays in a random Antarctic base
>USA and Reich team start to openly fight over what realism really is

>Requiem has a few releases that are on the scale of Iberia and TLL; neither is earth-shattering but all have some memorable content
>There's at least one episode of drama that makes that former dev resurface here to tell us that the mod is over
>The biggest and best changes are things under the hood like their unit/economy rebalancing that actually makes TNO more playable
>They start to branch out to make Pakt content too
>The mod continues as the "official" redux, flaws and all, but remains in the shadow of "real" TNO

>Rises Again updates a hundred times
>Adds 20 years of Heydrich content
>Adds 20 years of Tabby content
>Finishes the old V&J/EN content based on a leaked build
>It's really fucking janky tho and half the icons are stolen from Kaiserreich for some reason
>Dabs on TNO when DV drops by bringing back the Huttig TND mod, flies under the radar by not announcing it on the Steam page
>No one pays attention to it because it's "the Kiwi Farms mod"

>>2312720 (me)
Also:
>TNO will internally announce a rework that irreversibly invalidates everything in TFO, somehow
Count on it.

Endless reworks

>>2312732
Doing it out of spite for TFO suceeding is a very Mango thing to do, would be hilarious.

>>2312740
He already did it when he deleted Romney but that was more of a Trump derangement syndrome thing. I could easily see it happen over something that doesn't even have anything to do with Weld.
>Democrats underperform in the midterms or something
>Congrats Weld two of your guys in the first election are now canonically dead

>>2312742
Thankfully Big Weld isnt a total Faggot and can just tell Mango to fuck off on this like with Romney.
very interested in seeing how far Mango could take it though since he is not the stable type at all

>TNO's reworkings cause TFO to become its own independent thing with 0 relation to TNO despite Weld just staying the course charted several years ago
Won't be long before you'll all look back at TFO like you would at TRO: something that is unrecognizable as ever being related to TNO if all you know about it is the nudev version.

>>2312760
>TRO
the biggest vaporware toozermod

>>2312766
TRO is fucking dead, they dont even pretend to be alive by dropping teasers anymore

>>2312768
nta but can you blame them? Their entire mirror universe shtick was destroyed by TNO erasing its entire premise.

>>2312769
Yes you can blame them for reworking everything from the start multiple times cause of muh historical accuracy, they were the original people obsessed with total realism

>>2312771
I never realized that and I just had the biggest fucking epiphany. TFOtards used to whine a lot about their members defecting to TNO and that their mod was often just an entry exam for TNO. TFO might have been ground zero for the realism clique takeover of TNO.

>>2312782
Im talking about TRO, besides that the realism clique took over TNO before TFO was even conceived, still Mango and the TNO team fucked over TFO so many times by just taking all of their members to work on their never releasing skeleton updates.

Big Weld is a moderate nowadays and thats enough for me to want TFO to join in the killing of TNO and their incompetent Realism Clique

>>2312790
I'm retarded and meant TRO, you made me realize that TRO is patient zero. Sorry, just am not used to mentioning that mod since it's even deader than TNO.

>>2312795
> Deader than TNO

Life can truly be so bleak

>>2312795
It very much was, other anons have talked about it in prior threads but thats where most of the rot came in, though of course it was a mutual deal as both realism advocates helped eachother out in their team politics

>>2307145
The fact that country names are not standardized will never cease to piss me off.

TFO dev diary dropped, from a brief look at it its better than anything tno has done in years,

>>2312903
Share it here pretty please :)

>>2312903
>It's better than rotten shit
Oh wow.

>>2312903
How? Isn't TFO also a nothing ever happens mod?

>>2312909
I think that because TNO is moving so far in the realm of extremist nothing-ever-happening, the nothing ever happens of TFO can now be considered KX-tier extremism because of how low the bar's gone.

PNO got updated to 1.17

>>2312684
>Pat pat
There there anon, it will get better, one day..

It'll only get worse. You have no idea how reworked things really are.

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A new toozer that isn’t for South America or another literally who place has finally come

>>2312985
>Iberia
so is it releasing or not

>Germany still in endless rework hell
>Goering won't be playable for years
>Africa still being replacement with a gui
I just don't even care anymore.

>>2313000
soon + 2 years

>>2312985
>A country that would be interesting in a TNO world would have interesting content
Go figure and by just having 15 or so focuses it has already surpassed DV in terms of content

That's a low fucking bar.

>>2313009
It's fucking meant to be. How can you seriously go lower than DV?

>>2313011
Every joke I could possibly post in response to this would inevitably end up being better, more fun and more interactive than the actual rework hell they have in store for us.

TFO mogged Mangotroons new order to nigger hell with the teasers they dropped today.

>TNO is so fucking bad people are now rooting for TFO
That's it I can't take it any more

>>2313000
Roundtables say when Iberia leaks begin flooding their server it means it is close to release

>>2313095
They said that about Brazil and it got some leaks only for the release to happen way later. Iberia itself has been "close to release" for several months too.

i love zhdanov's path so much bros

Sure would be a shame if someone reworked it huh

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>>2312985
let me guess nothing happens
they removed the tension mechanic between the 2 caudilos
they removed the civil war and their warlords if Salazar dies and cant stabalize the country ( instand of giving content )
Salazar and Franco can be gay lovers or something

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>>2312985
nu tno devs on their way to make another reworke dev hell for the next 5 years

>>2312531
Don't the DV plans make France much more geopolitically relevant?

>>2314389
Realism autists ruin everything. The fun about alternative history is not that it's accurate it's that it's schizo, I don't play games to be reminded about real life but to experience something else.

>>2314443
Or at least grounded and believable. A lot of TNO's original insanity worked because you could suspend your disbelief and it never went fully into nonsense garbage territory. But that's the thing: it's believable because the entire timeline is different! The irony of realismfags is that when they just copy our world outright it becomes unrealistic when none of the pillars that hold up our world is there.

INTERNATIONAL POLICING ACTION

Just fled the sinking ship of TNO, ill answer any question that im able to that you guys are curious about

>>2314727
Can you provide proof that you worked on TNO?

>>2314727
I can say that the gus hall flowchart youve got on the top is fake, a guy in the team made it and posted it here as an obvious parody of what you people think US content is like. I have no idea how you people believed it.

>>2314727
How popular or unpopular is DV integration among the team? Also how much longer before the mod collapses in full?

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>>2314727
Any idea what that proposal looked like? This guy was certainly not talking about DV as he was shitting on it in previous messages

>>2314739
I haven't seen a single person complain about it except one or two random junior members. Im also not opposed to it personally

>>2314743
It kept the german congo including the lake and most of ostafrika but gave Iberia its colonies, no idea about any specific details

>>2314745
It also added rhodesia as a puppet of ostafrika if i remember correctly

>>2314737
>Obvious parody
>Fits in perfectly with their style
>Full of fail states and pitfalls like everything else they do
>Less stupid than the Congressional meme in the proposal
TNO devs are hopeless.

>>2314727
When do you think Iberia will be out (also wtf is Modern Tordesillas in terms of content)? How soon will the update after that will be and what nation(s) will it be?

>>2314772
Probably this month or the next one, its only missing loc if i remember correctly. Havent played it myself but its fun from what i heard. This month yippie is going to move into fine tuning so it or DV will probably be the next ones
.
Fine tuning usually takes 6 months or so, but Yippie is huge so who knows, everyone in the team seemed very motivated about yippie atleast and Mango has so far been keeping his schedule as predicted

>>2314727
What country you were working on? Did Frost make any progress on Britain?

>>2314777
>Coding for the reworked 1964US presidents has only just begun

You completely misunderstood that part, the effects are fully done already for those and Mango is finishing the last of the 68 ones

>>2314779
Britain is lol, might be the most miserable example of dev hell. Dont expect anything. I would rather not say on what country i was working to not get harassed in dms by Mango loyalists

>>2314780
If Yippie is so close to being finished, what is the next update after it? Will the German rework finally see some love?

>>2314785
> Germany
Lmao, good one

>>2314787
They're not going to do the UK thing, where they release a demo (Speer) and then tell us to wait for the rest of the content to come?

>>2314791
No that would be actual mod suicide, theyre not that dumb

>>2314782
Fair enough. Fuck frost, man, TFL did not deserve this.

>>2314777
>Only a few pieces of log left
>Mango is on schedule and the earlier leaked builds prove nothing
>Everyone is motivated, the morale loss after everyone what on the DV reveal is a hoax
You're completely gaslit from being inside their echo chamber or trolling us. We were told that Brazil only had "a few pieces of loc left" for a year. We also had leaks that contradict this with hard proof like the builds and you have no proof to back up the contradictions.

when is shepunov being made interesting???

>>2314727
Are they still planning on giving content to Burgundian Antarctica or is that getting scrapped?

>>2314837
gone, being change into an ss subpath for german antarctica

>>2314839
Sad! What about China/Japan has there been any progress on those two? Also do you have proposals to leak?

>>2314849
basically just what youve seen

>>2314777
We had access to builds as recent as the middle of last year, and the post-64 presidents weren't even coded. Am I crazy to think it's extremely difficult for the TNO team to have finished something so long in 6 months?

>>2314863
where can I download the builds

>>2314865

The builds released so far are here >>2295376, but for the most recent leak from May, we only have the YouTube channel that leaked it, however we don't have the build (the YouTube channel link is in the first post).

>>2314727
what is the actual progress on VnJ? We know borman is basically done and has been for a while, But how is speer doing? I’ve heard he’s in dev hell

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>>2315042
Speaking of which has anyone found the reaction of the VP team reaction to Maduro? It would be so fucking funny for the "centrist" team to go out and defend him.

>>2315124
https://x.com/TNOQuoProQuid

The nigga is saying that the attack "violated UN laws" or some bullshit (same guy who wrote a fanfic about him smashing Huey Long's face)

>>2315124
>>2315191
QPQ and Mango are both big fans of the "rules based order", so they don't like illegal invasions.
Now, if it was Putin or Lukashenko getting killed or kidnapped, they'd probably cheer.

>>2312627
>despite the objective fact that a nazi victory would be better for western europe than otl.
No Marshall plan and being tied to a country ran by economically illiterate retards would fuck over western europe heavily.

>>2315287
>inb4 some wehraboo goes to yap about superior German economics when their economy was a loot based ponzi scheme that needed conquest to maintain itself and would 100% shit the bed once there's nothing more to loot

>>2315287
>Muh gdp is higher so getting raped and ethnically replaced by algerians and pakis is good actually

>>2315299
I’m not even denying that, I think anyone with a simple understanding of economics would understand that germany would go into a serious economic slump after the war due to the price controls and cost of eastern europe, But to say that germanys economy would always be that unstable and moreover that they couldn’t make reforms to stabilize their growth is stupid

>>2315301
In all seriousness europeans would probably have the same standard of living as otl, Its not like the Marshall plan is the sole thing responsible for Europe’s economic growth, it just helped them back on their feet. We spend 20 marshall plans worth of money in africa and it didn’t bring the same economic boom since niggers are retarded. Plus france never went through d day and the destruction of the allied invasion and neither did italy or the lowlands, Europe keeping their colonies also helps a ton since they can use all the resources of africa to rebuild domestic industry refining raw materials without worry about those colonies seeking other trading partners like in africa otl

>>2315301
We're talking about the 60s to 70s not the 2000s.
>>2315304
Unless hitler managed to get couped you're only going to get economists who do stupid shit to appease him like massive military buildup against america.
Eventually you would get normal people in control but the decades of only having politically loyal retards would set every non german country well behind OTL.
>>2315308
>ignores that one of the most economically rich parts of france is controlled by neo pagan north korea.
>ignores that france and britain otl kept the only important part of africa (its resources) through contracts OTL
>ignores that having to fight niggers for no gain is bad for the economy actually.

>>2315313
1, US liberalism inevitably lead to mass migration, it’s simply a conclusion of egalitarianism

2, Hitler would actually take a step back from governance post war since that was his intention otl, Most of day to day governance is lead by his inner circle which would have competent leadership at least economically since speer is minister of finance at game start. But inner party infighting would probably not help so you’re probably right here. As an aside the performance of europe economically is dependent on their governments which are determined by the player and their own headcannons so it could be better than otl with france and technocrats and britain with the pragmatists or it could be far worse with social credit in britain or the ultra colabs in france

3, A, germany would probably give that territory back to france but its dependent on germanys government/how the negotiations are conducted so ill give you this one
B, Fighting niggers isn’t cheap true, but germanys the one who is picking up the tab for the most of it since it’s a strategic necessity for germany to keep the colonies and their ideology is rather committed to whites supremacy in africa so I’m certain those reichsbank loans for african assets and military equipment would have very generous interest rates for britain and france