What's the verdict on this?
>>2315678Pretty good
>>2315678hao...... hao
>>2315678Best TW you can get now and only game in the series with actual diplomacy.Drooling retards refused to play it because>chinese names too hard to rememberunironically as an argument. I'm sure now that it was free on epic people are going to pretend like they found a hidden gem despite the fact the game had the highest player numbers than warhammer.
>>2315678The spearmanii meme but real. Every unit feels the same with a different coat of paint.
>>2315678It's good but the expansions less so.
>>2315678best post-Shogun 2 Total War game killed before it's time because chinks aren't as eager to guzzle goyslop as Warhammer fans
>>2315810lmao?
>>2315751>chinese names too hard to rememberGonna stick my pi kon in your bhu hu so I can lao hou as you cao cao like a dirty little chao nao.
>>2316061https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8kxlGC5C7c
>>2315751>chinese names too hard to rememberthank god they made everyone out to be an anime character rather than giving them all a chink sameface>>2315678lots of good systems added that didn't get reused by anything else. shame. good game, not the tightest battles but can't have everything.
>>2315678Good but unfinished, battles are meh but still better than Rome II and all of its reskins. The "The future of Three Kingdoms" video left a permanent stain on the franchise.
>pirate game>pick lu bu because he's the only one I know>he literally solos entire armies of spearmaniiwhat the fuckI understand that's his gimmick but likereally?
>>2316735>be warned not to pursue>pursue anyway
>>2315678free on epic for the next day or so still
>>2315751>>chinese names too hard to remember>unironically as an argumentits solid argument tho
>>2316735romance mode, in record mode its more grounded, still needs few mods to fix it
>>2315751Its all the same names from Koei Romance games. Comfy names.
>>2315751Being able to have allies that don't just backstab you after 10 turns for no fucking reason is what makes 3K my favourite game in the whole series, and to me the game is the best looking in the series.Infact I'm going to reinstall thanks to this thread, a tragedy that the devs abandoned it
>>2316931There are two types of peopleThose who played dynasty warriors as kids and those who can't tell a pang tong from a cao pi.
>>2317051I played Rotk 4 as a kid. Still the naming is a issue especially with tons of extras. There is mod that let you rename characters and other stuff and its pretty useful.
>>2317056The namelist pulls on minor historical figures or romance characters but you don't really need to know that generic officer DingDong was a real low-level official who ended up getting recorded. It's a bit of fanservice for real chinese history autists but it's not really necessary for understanding the context or enjoyment of the game. Neither do I think remembering ChingChing was your administrator and PingPong the crossbow general is particularly harder than the same for Hans Sauerkraut and Wolfgang Schnitzel.Insofar as the problem exists it's that you just don't remember the names of random generics in your roster regardless of what language it's in. I guess some people just care about that more and like renaming things "recruitment castle 1".Anyway, it's okay to not know things or even decide that you are not really interested in chinese history, what annoys me is people coming up with those cope excuses coming from wilful ignorance and sense of superiority rather than just say it straight.
>>2315678>armies of 20000000 people>everyone looks the same
>>2317088I played and liked it. Still see that as a problem. Its minor and mostly cultural/linguistic but it exist. Some people do not want bother with that and that is fine. No reason to be butthurt about that.
>>2317093Chief Manygames agrees.I, too, want to see Han Ready fighting the Officer Manipulator and his most fearsome general, Clothed Spine!
>>2317109shrug, whatever, play what you want and let other do the sameRotK have more serious problems that chink names
>>2317109Heh, translating names is always silly. People don't realise they are named after random nonsense because it's in greek or because it's archaic and not recognizable in modern language but there's like a gorrlion men named rock.Even that aside people just filter out that names are words that could have had any meaning and it only feels funny when you encounter one you are not used to.
>>2317051>There are two types of people>Those who played dynasty warriors as kidsThree types, you're forgetting those who played the OG-DW on the psx. Most kids started with 2 and its big battles, not the original beat-em-up
>>2315678played it recently with the TROM/ TUP mod packs and its god tierprobably my favorite total war of all times next to fall of the samurai
>>2315678Best diplomacy by far. Best cavalry by far. But there's like five units.There's a few chinaman mods on Steam that add units and portraits tho, so it's way better.
>>2318351>But there's like five units.let's be honest, every total war has "5 units"
>>2318351>Best cavalry by farBut regular infantry is too weak. Cavalry should either have been so expensive you could only have a few regiments or it should maybe have been toned down a bit. Ranged + cav is all you need and then the infantry men are mostly standing around for the flavor.
>>2318377historically the chinese were able to field a lot of cavalry, so having them in small numbers would have been innacurate.the problem is that cavalry in tw and especially nu-tw is designed to charge and trample other units even when it doesn't make sense historically and that completely fucks with unit dynamics. only medieval cavalry should be able to do massed charges and even then it should be designed to be a high-risk high-reward maneuver. cavalry in 3k simply shouldn't be able to do what it does.
>>2315678tried to get into this and any TW so amny times and they all lose me within an hour or two, and I dislike managing units in realtime with pause. shit sucks
>>2318443It's literally the opposite. They had mass infantry armies with cavalry mostly coming from the Northern periphery because they did nothing but spam rice paddies in China proper.
>>2318878You're right, I didn't mean that they fought cav only steppe nomad style. Cao Cao and even Yuan Shao had a large cavalry force at their peaks since they held the north.
>>2318377Infantry isn't even really weak, the problem is that the AI fields too many militia units in its armies and doesn't replace them with higher tiers. Sabre militia can do damage if they get a good charge, but ji militia is next to useless, and archer militia are just a pure liability that only contribute to routing the AI army faster due to army losses. Proper regular infantry units like Sabre infantry can be really strong, especially if given charge negate and charge speed / run speed buffs by their general. Any unique infantry unit with high inherent or stacked morale can be hard for cavalry to deal with. I recall Yuan Shao's unique ji infantry being particularly annoying.There are other hard cavalry counters like repeating crossbows that completely remove their charge bonus from a distance, but the AI almost never uses those either, and certainly not with any kind of thought.I once did a legendary campaign as Yuan Shu making only sword infantry and repeating crossbows and nothing else. It was really fun.
>>2315678a good game that CA threw the biggest bitchfit about and abandoned because nobody bought the DLC that nobody asked for>hey you know this ancient chinese era that is one of the largest driving forces behond people wanting the play this game?>well this DLC isn't set then>WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED FUCK YOOOOOOUUUU
>>2319029It almost feels like a waste of resources when they add all these units with different abilities and utility and the AI is utterly incapable of using them.
>>2316735Thats stupid of course, but it's even worse as it's not Lu Bu himself that is broken but his weapon
>>2319035>Game got released>chinks modders started throwing out mods>one of their community manager got angry that some of them sexualized the female characters>CA started a workshop takedown and deleted many mods.>this pissed off a huge chunk of their chink playerbase.3K is just a shitshow of misstep, mismanagement and straight up lying from CA.
>>2319565>reading about the struggle of one Chinaman to bring us all beautiful China women >a literal NPC starts condoning CCP censorship because the modder rustled the feathers of CA gestapo the wrong way Jesus Almighty.
>>2315678I've been replaying Rome TW (original, not remaster) and it's the only TW I've played, but I've also picked up Shogun 2 and Three Kingdoms. Which one should I play next?
>>2322079S2, then fots ib you into firearms, then 3k.
>>2322079Just jump to Warhammer 3, it blows this uncslop out of the water
>>2315678Middling. As a Total War game it's pretty good, as a Three Kingdoms game it's kind of shit. It was abandoned before development really got its systems fined tuned and in sync and it shows.
>>2315751Second best, Shogun 2 and Fall of the Samurai still top it due to having better battles (which is arguably the point of the series) + naval combat. Though you are right about the diplomacy and character side, it made the game sit at a very funny place where it could have eclipsed both Koei's RoTK AND Dynasty Warriors series. Such a waste.
>>2318980>>2318377>>2318878The 3K period is the moment that native Chinese cavalry really starts becoming a thing. Earlier Han armies mostly just had Xianbei auxiliaries.Pre-Han Chinese armies were virtually all infantry unless you go far back enough to Shang times in which they also had chariots.
>>2315678I really liked it. It could've been one of the best TW if the DLC direction wasn't retarded.I was a complete chinalet before I started playing this game and it got me pretty interested in their history. I still get the urge to play it maybe once a year as Cao Cao.
>>2325512Spring and Autumn armies had a big emphasis on chariots, too.
>>2325907no summer and winter?
It's pretty good. Coincidentally I was playing it just yesterday. Right now I'm playing a Yuan Shao game to save the Han Empire from usurpers.
Why are people saying the diplomacy is good? What's good about it?
>>2327316>AI has different personalities, this is expanded upon for unique characters>AI is willing to accept sensible deals like territory swaps, vassalization, occasionally it will even offer them although it likes to pester you for ancillaries (can be modded out)>Most AI personalities will be content or be your ally or vassal if you take care of them, even during realm divide>You can end realm divide via diplomacy if you crush them in battle and have strong diplomatic bonuses, reducing end game fatigue>Ally and vassal territory counts towards the final victory condition>Characters can be friends or rivals, if you beat up some faction leader personally then his enemies love you for it, or let him go>Useful from the first turn to the last>Reduces settlement micro fatigue. The most territory you have the more corruption in your realm so sack new captured towns and trade them off for sweet deals or even create your own vassals so you can max out trade partners.
>>2327002>Right now I'm playing a Yuan Shao game to save the Han Empire from usurpers.It's been a while since I played last. Can everyone choose to keep the old emperor or is it only the loyalist factions?
>>2327396They made it so that "governor" factions can decide to restore the Han empire.
>>2327407ye so Yuan Shao as a warlord can't do that I just couldn't remember the 'loyalists' were called governors.
>>2327529I think warlords still can but only if they are prime minister? Like you need to be the one holding him.
>>2327542Can be checked from the faction select menu.
>>2327551Ack I'm wrong, it seems any Han faction that controls the Emperor gets the decision.
>>2327002>Yuan Shao game to save the Han Empire from usurpers.Yuan Shao would have 100% usurped the Han had he actually managed to reunite China (and had he crushed Cao Cao at Guandu, it would have been quite easy for him to do so, considering that unlike Mengde he wouldn't have to take years to pacify the north and thus wouldn't give time to Liu Bei nor Sun Quan to consolidate south). His sons would have caused a dynastic civil war even more retarded than the Sima thoughveit.
>>2327558Yeah, governor means when you hit king rank you don't automatically gain the emperor seat so you don't get the expanded court among other things.
>>2317109That would be pretty funny if they got rid of the pin ying and translated literally
