Let's discuss the greatest fantasy turn based strategy series of all time.>Heroes of Might and Magic IIIThe greatest fantasy strategy game ever made, contender for best TBS ever along with SMAC obviously.>Heroes of Might and Magic IVGreatest soundtrack in the series, most innovative game too but unfortunately it didn't have enough time (money) to flesh out its good ideas and fix the bad ones.>Heroes of Might and Magic VAn admirable attempt to capture the magic of the 3rd game, while still trying to incorporate some ideas from the 4th.Haven't played the rest, although I had the 2nd game on my backlog ever since I got it for free 20 years ago. From what I've heard it's just a more imbalanced version of 3, with less options. Just like M&M VI is to VII!I missed the 30 year anniversary last year, just like Olden Era missed its release date to commemorate the anniversary.
>>2322641>the greatest fantasy turn based strategy series of all time.yikes
>>2322641Are homm 3 purist going to sabotage olden era with bad press so the homm 3 player base doesn’t fracture?
good morning slav sirs
>>2322656>>2322722good morning sirs, we are all slavs toodid you know Lithuanian sounds very similar to Sanskrit?
>>2322693>says "yikes", implying disagreement>too cowardly to name what's supposed to be betterAfraid to come at the king, huh.
>>2322740Not her, but Sengoku Rance is the greatest TBS in history of video games and it's fantasy too.
>>2322693yeah probably not even top 5
^Forgot to post my top 5:>Songs of Conquest >Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster>Fire Emblem : Three Houses>Age of Wonders 4>King's BountyAs y'all can see, none of the Heroes games can compare
the best game in the franchise is Clash of Heroes
>>2323160Source? Citation?
>>2322753chinkshit for smelly jeets is superior to homm3? I don't think so, TheGhostmaster
>>2323398>TheGhostmasterThat your Steam friend? Your nemesis?
>>2323547just a resident /vst/ jeet with the shittiest takes of all time. Why are you talking about yourself in third person again?
Heroes 3 doesn't even have comeback mechanics
>>2323634NTA but why are you so obsessed with him? Just because he posts his aoe2 team game armenian screenshots every day?
>>2322641Heroes of Might & Magic needs >good AI>a way to recover from when you lose your best hero+army / when the AI loses its shitstack on some random shit hero with shit skills>multiplayer balance that allows for played maps that aren't Jesus on the Cross
>>2323925>>2323850>Heroes 3 doesn't even have comeback mechanics>a way to recover from when you lose your best hero+army / when the AI loses its shitstack on some random shit hero with shit skillsI'm not sure if it needs it, but it's probably the biggest flaw in the series.I don't know a good way to fix it either.
>>2323157>Final Fantasy Tactics Remaster>Fire Emblem : Three HousesThese are not HoMM type games.
>>2323999copivm
>>2323850>>2323925>>2323966My first thought would be making it so that it's easier to build up but also more expensive to maintain a large army.
Which turn based strategy game *does* have comeback mechanics?
>>2324107We just don't know
>>2324107CivThe thing about homm is that if you win a big fight, you delete the enemy army and you gain a lot of experience.Even if it's a tough fight and you lose most of your army, you still gained all of the experience.Promotions for units in civ games aren't really that massive, so there's more room for back and forth. You also have other ways of achieving victory, so even losing armies and a city there's another path forward to victory.
>>2323925>a way to recover from when you lose your best hero+armywhy? If you lose, why should you have a way to win?For me, the entire point of homm3 scenarios is the lead up to and having a massive final fight between the most powerful heroes of each faction. If you lose badly to the point where the enemy keeps most of its force alive, you can't and shouldn't be able to come back.Granted, the AI should just surrender at that point instead of playing a retarded cat & mouse game with weak enemy remnants
>>2324550>For me, the entire point of homm3 scenarios is the lead up to and having a massive final fight between the most powerful heroes of each factionYeah but this literally never happens. The AI never picks up the best hero on offer, and even if you spoonfeed it (I'm talking not only giving that hero a high level/good skills and good army, but also double check on the hero in a save editor to make sure the AI is still using him/her) it will, at the first opportunity, ditch the hero somewhere and split his stack into three shit heroes with Eagle Eye, 1 ATK at level 10 and Artillery.Of course I as the player never thought to myself "gee wilikers, I wish I had a comeback mechanic", I want the AI to at least provide a bit of a challenge after I wipe its "one good hero's good army that I had to forcefeed into said hero split into X". It's like the AI loves to divide itself so its easier to conquer.
replaying the campaigns in H3 reminds you how mid it is
>>2324739Are there any good Heroes campaigns outside of Shadow of Death?
>>2326593some people say the one where you play as a Black is a good one
How accurate is this map?
>>2327417What is the GDP of shitholes like Krewlod that have like two towns in it?
Just pirated HoMM3 Complete and am about to play my first game, any quick tips? My entire HoMM experience thus far is an hour of the demo for the new one coming out soon.
>>2328652just two, have fun and don't listen to anybody in these threads
>>2323157Kings bounty is shit and heroes improved the foundations on every level. But you already knew that
>>2328652First, I'd recommend that you install the unofficial HD mod, if you haven't done so already. It's just a matter of convenience for you. You can run heroes3.exe using the HD launcher.Then, play the tutorial if you want (it relies on you having a H3 manual, but you can complete the tutorial even without it). If you understand the mechanics, just go straight to campaigns.Afterwards, play the Restoration of Erathia campaigns, then Armageddon Blade and close it off with Shadow of Death. Starting RoE campaigns are tutorial-tier easy, AB steps it up a notch and SoD has some genuinely tricky missions on harder difficulties.VERY IMPORTANT: After every completed mission, you will be prompted to save the game. Always do so. When you complete a campaign, you will see a golden check mark on the select screen of the campaign you finished. If you do not start another campaign from that point, the game will disregard you completed that prior campaign, and you will not be able to access the hidden campaigns that require you to complete all the previous ones. See picrel for how your campaign screen should look eventually.At this point, you have either had enough of the game or you want more. If it's the latter, then you've got two options: 1. Play the single scenario maps (there's comfortably over a hundred of them) included in the Complete Edition.2. Download the unofficial expansions. The official unofficial one is the Horn of the Abyss expansion, with its own set of scenarios and campaigns.ALSO IMPORTANT: These expansions were made by and tuned for people with advanced autism who've been playing the game for the past two decades. Do not feel bad if you need to lower the difficulty to medium or easy.>>2328679This is also a good tip.
>>2328652Ignore >>2328679listen to me instead. Play Necropolis and play with instant battle results in HD mod disabled at first, so you don't get lazy and rely on it and its possibly superior results to your beginner combat skills. Necropolis teaches you the value of preserving your big stacks early and using tiny stacks as distraction/bait for AI, while still having to win with pawn-like units (Necro has no shooters early) before Vampire Lords and Liches.t. learned how to play Heroes with Necropolis+Thant first
>>2328691>listen to me instead. Play Necropolissee, this is the first issue that >>2328679 talks about. Play whatever faction you want. Play what you think is coolest. Play the hero that looks the coolest. Don't read wikis, don't listen to minmaxers ITT, don't play the game to be "taught" to be the best. Play however you want. You will fail a lot and you will have tons of fun failing.
>>2328691retard
>>2324107the most fundamental comeback mechanic in strategy games is distance. if you're fighting in the enemy base your production is delayed by travel timebut in H3 you just pony express that shit right across the map
>>2328679>Hero feels like the enemy is way too strong for them>"Do you wish to retreat?">Click the tick because the tick means yes, thus I want to retreat>In actuality the tick made me engage and she died:/>>2328686Yeah I found the HD mod when googling for how to put the game in window mode, it's nice.
>>2328744"retreat" means your hero can be recruited at the tavern with all their units intact
>>2327417Antagarich is fine but the other two continents are awkwardly cut out when from the maps presented from the games you might guess there's more to them. See pic related.
>>2328763And Jadame here. Although thanks to incoming Homm Older Era at least we can see the whole of Jadame (oriented upside-down in comparison to the M&M8 map). Also I don't know if the placement of the continents in relation to themselves was even canonical stated.
>>2328747LIAR! Retreat means you can be recruited with no units! You have to PAY & surrender to keep your army.
>>2328769shit it's been a while, you're right with the terminology.
>>2322641The Older Era devs are teasing something "ancient". Whatever that might be.
>>2324550>If you lose, why should you have a way to win?This. Scrubs need to STFU and git gud>>2324575>I want the AI to at least provide a bit of a challengeHave you tried having 7 AIs in a team against you?
>>2329277Not them, but it's super easy to beat 7 AIs, they don't team play.
Don't play Restoration of Erathia campaigns.
>>2327417Why did no one ever make a "lore accurate" map of Antagarich where you can play as all the original 8 factions in their original lands?
>>2329634For one, we never really had enough factions to make that possible.
>>2329634https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=2387&game=3https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=1922&game=3https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=2652&game=3https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=2793&game=3https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=2268&game=3https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=1791&game=3
