How is your diverse crew of women, people of color and cranyon eating marines doing?Is your PC overheating and take part in climtae change sponsoreed by german goverment? Are you smart enough to notice that Ai is broken as hell in this lazy EA cash grab? Nevermind. Lets talk about best characters and why its Bog.I guess its schizo Mencae thread. How convinient. Its real convience store
Buggerino
>>2344540Fuckin A
>>2344556Stupid ass motherfuckers
>>2344536That Zama negro is clearly AI generated.
>>2344540>laser lances a hive queen>"poor lil' bugger"
Damn fighting the rogue army is super fun, precisely because they are professionals. You can expect what they are going to do and you need to be really careful in advancing.
>started a new run on expert with tech, carda, greek boi and limholy, didnt realize how hard darby + pike carries your early game, greek boi is super expensive and carda is hot garbage at the start, didnt help that my first ops were pirates
Why do I need to fucking chase these pirate boarders to the ends of the earth?
>>2344598You know what the game needs and other tactical tabletop games and close combat had? A truce button.After a certain threshold the enemy is fucked and should either flee or just give the option to finish combat with surrenders.
>>2344536the game is offensively mediocre why is everyone sucking it off? I know we havent had good tactics games in a while but come on this is just sadeven overwatch spam in nu-com has more depth than anything herethey should have just made another bb game
>Can't drive over because there's two guys on the other tile.
>>2344612Yeah pretty annoying.
>>2344612>can't just run both of them overgaybig Lmassive oversight
So how are anons building their Cardas. Are we just going for a machine gun or mortar team that just sits in place and sprays bullets? I kinda want to use her as a mobile infantry thing with an AT weapon and infinite shots, rushing around the map and deleting hard targets before zooming off.
>>2344620HMG mobile infantry, I leave the hard targets for my tank
>>2344620>I use Carda in two roles, depending on the mission. She's either a rifle squad with a useful heavy weapon, typically an RPG or LMG, and I abuse her kind of amazing accuracy once trained to lay fire upon foes, or she's a dedicated emplaced team, usually with a rifle section alongside her, which lets me bring dedicated AT weapons and use the squad to clear infantry. I don't tend to deploy her as MI, but thats mostly because I've kind of stopped using vehicles to transport at all.She isn't useless enough for me to dedicate her to mortar bitch duty, thats an "honor" that goes to Jean Sy. What you described will 100% work, get her a decent RPG and a good rifle section and she can do outstanding work.
>>2344627I don't know why I did this as a quote, I'm not quoting you, I'm just retarded.
>>2344620PAL because her voiceline for firing an RPG is adorable (and having nearly unlimited PAL ammo is nice)
>>2344612/vst/ is lost to some ai slop based on tiles and turns
>random stowaway just gave me a plama gun>I just finished my third OperationStevemre1989SayingNice.jpg
when does menace actually show up how do u see progression?when do u get better gear dropi have lvl 4 trust with all factions
>>2344655Seems tied to number of operations attempted, I remember it popping up once after I decided to abort an operationAlso probably tied to number of operations attempted, I started seeing medium mechs for sale a few operations after menace turned upSome items are faction rewards only apparently, like the marine armor
>>2344653Unless you use it in a heavily specialized 3 man squad that wants it firing at all times it kinda sucks tbdesu
I wish I had more supply points
>>2344676Vader's mod can help you. Or cheat engine.
>>2344672Yeah, I know that it is not as good as the light vehicle weapon version. But the game is starting to throw armored bugs at me, and it munching them, so it's doing fine.
>>2344683yeah but i dont really care to have that running side by side, triggers me tism (the melonloader thing)but if I can just increase it a bit once and then uninstall and keep that increased supply then maybe
>>2344672>>2344684It mulches light armor with tankbuster.
>>2344684The vehicle version has the same stats
>>2344536The tank gun is fucking great. One shotting any light vehicle at long range with much better accuracy than rocket launchers.With a machine gun in the other slot you can drive around not being afraid of anyone.
>>2344710It is, and if you et it early its a god send against armor. Wish they put more cool armor into the game.
>>2344565giwtwm
is this game gonna add space boarding missions? it would be kinothere's no official mod support right but there are mods and i guess people could just add them
>>2344725I want urban missions, underground missions, missions in snowy sex casinos, missions on farmland, missions in huge megafactories.
Armour should be around 15% cheaper on average.
>game has an arbitrary "max loadout" limitcool, heaven forbid the player has performed so well that they've earnt the right to bring along the biggest gear. gotta arbitrarily cripple the player!
Needs more sci-fi stuff. We got space pirates ok, but how do they even get to the planet? How come their bases have no space landing craft or anything, only current day hardware? Imagine if they could use dropships too.
What stuff are you waiting for the most?I can't wait for them to add heavy mechs, then I'm gonna start blasting this all the time while "scouting" the enemy with a full lance of heavy mechs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLLHP3icECM
>>2344739those and proper tanks would be grand.I want a spess Leo 2
battletech is gay as fuck, it's fans are all the type of american faggot that gets too excited when talking about how cool or strong something is and puts emphasis on odd words when they talk.
>>2344743Found the faggot.I'm a Yuro and love Battletech.
>>2344742What if we get two kinds of tanks? Dedicated tank tank like leo and something that can also move around a squad, like a merkava.
>>2344710Laser lance is almost as good but still allows you to put troops in the back
>>2344747>and something that can also move around a squad, like a merkava.The existing IFV is basically a Space Namer so if you put the APFSDS gun on it you already have a Space Merkava
>>2344620Atgm team with nearly infinite ammo. Doubles as boarding marine power armor smg hoser once her skill comes online.
>>2344743Fuck off Europeon.
>>2344755Wow, here I was defending you and you drop that. Why don't you go blow your gay administration some more, pedobootlicker?
>>2344739I hope the game does not turn into full mechanized warfare, sure I would play a mech game done by them but I want combined arms. But I wonder how heavy mechs will look. Hopefully not like battletech kidna sick of it really.A series of mecha in terms of design that would fit like a glove in Menace would be "realistic" Gungriffon mechs, that mostly act like gunships with semi walk semi hover mode to fire missiles\rockets and autocannons.Speaking of cool mech games I am still waiting for signs of life on Kriegsfront tactics, the demo was really cool. They even gave a cool diorama maker to make cute mech scenes.
>>2344742I think we will see a space tiger, no really, why did they give the RA a stug of all things.
>>2344757>europeon cant read SHOCKED.>pedodefender So the only administration to arrest, seek and release the files somehow supports pedophiles? Meanwhile virtually ALL EU politicians outright support and enable pedophiles? Every accusation is a admission from a leftist.
>>2344763The Stug is a place holder.
>>2344743It became the reactionary anti 40k, and for that I forgive my Murican friends. Battletech ( especially the recent turn based game) has issues but its cool as fuck as well.And you know how reactionary USA can be. But I respect them nonetheless.>>2344767Really placeholder for what?
>>2344770besieged ahh graphics
>>2344773I know but its smoll indie game. have to cut them some slack, its still pretty decent and punchy weapons as well. I hope they make it.
Speaking of Mechs theres actually a new Heavy Gear game being made. I wonder how shit it will be.The VOTOMS type armored suits would look right at home in Menace.
>>2344778Or the Mog from Brigador. But that might be the "2nd teir" boarding commando armor, as that shit weighs you down.
How do you make this stupid cunt work?
>>2344778Would those count as ultra light mechs or super heavy body armor?
>>2344785Vanguard recon under 100 supply limit.Just slap kbar in 9 peoples squad work too.It's 1 star leader, he cheap af, you can do anything with him.
>>2344785Ultra cheap BIG damage sniper or crowbar support behind an assault team. can get to 90 AP pretty quick and only needs that. Athletic \ if It bleeds finisher finishing shotGive him a nice sniper or the anti material rifle. If some dude in your squad also has disruptive fire his damage is insane. Limited in terms of roles, but I love low supply one stars.Alternatively you can use him as a bootleg Darby.
>>2344746You are spiritually american and thus are worse than an actual american.
>>2344786I would guess similar to chicken walkers but faster movement and lower armor. Votoms are not battle suits but are on the border of it. But are still "vehicles".
Is it just me, or is the Kr-BaR (crowbar) just too good? It completely negates the K-PAC and the ARC, which is bad weapon design. I simple fix would be to remove the "spray" functionality except for the MOD2 carbine. This would punish being too aggressive with the crowbar and balance the starter weapons. >no spess FAL and short shortsBig sad.
>>2344800>worseWhich is still better than the greatest Eurotrash. Your own leaders are actively trying to kill you, that's how trash Europeons are.
>>2344803As to it's namesake, it's a tool, it does very well in it's intended role. But higher rate of fire of other weapons can be more much efficient in different situations.
>>2344803it absolutely sucks if the enemy closes in on you, you're fighting with diminished vision due to night/weather, or you're fighting bugs or pirate boarding commandos
>>2344805Yeah subguns absolutely FUCK but you need to get into range, loading up REND ammo should be a fucking warcrime, that shit allows subguns to sandblast vehicles into the great garage in the sky.
>>2344810Spray negates this somewhat, it's not ideal but still prevents you from being totally fucked.
>>2344804This is why Americans are worthless, you instantly start throwing stones in glass houses, note how I merely point out the undesirable characteristics of your kind and you eagerly present ever more repugnant qualities.
>>2344803It definitely feels stronger than the other medium to long range basic rifles. Either you get a close range weapon or you get the Crowbar.
>>2344810>night+blizzard/sandstorm+bugs That shit is a pure nightmare on your first or second mission, the bugs retain almost all their detection and as mostly melee aren't affected by the debuffs. Pirates on the other hand do suffer, and boarding commandos are usually special objectives or use their jetpacks and can be heard coming from a great distance if you pay attention.
>>2344814Reminds me of that classic scene from Gits movie for sure.>>2344763>TigerFuck me they might put a pseudo Leopard 2A4 the blocky design really harkens back to tiger. It woudl be really cool.
>>2344824Yeah its a shame since the M4 look alike kinda looks promising in the first missions but its just bugs.People need to just share their experiences with the devs.
>>2344820>no-uStruck a fucking nerve did I?
>>2344820>be eurostanian >start insulting everyone in the thread>can't take the insults back>cries Your kind truly deserve extermination.
People who like battletech do have annoying voices tho?
>its a pirate rocket truck episode
>>2344832>Tex>BigRed>Pancreasnowork>annoying Stop coping and fucking leave.
I dont like fighting the menace
>two weeks after release>AI still shitIt's ogre... the devs are too incompetent to finish this game. Refundies time.
>>2344836War dogs made me see the light, find those fags and blast them fast.
>>2344836Its why I always have at least a bit of armor on my guys
>>2344770
>>2344842Squadies dying kinda triggers me, I have to remind myself they are just HP and more main firepower. I kinda wish this was a more traditional xcom style game so i can create my own dudes.
>>2344536>PC overheatingWhat, I have a shit GTX1660 super cause my main card died and the game barely pushes it.
>>2344818Why not just engage at range with a squad weapon good at that (DMR, Crocodile, CMG, etc) and if they get closer blap them with an ARC
>>2344849From what I understand from steam forum game somewhat override your desktop settings(and pass over FPS locks) and it tend to push forward and overheat on specific settings and hardware(the better GPU and monitor the worse issue), there are even the causes of game shutting down PC.After last patch it usually sit under 60C on missions unless its Menace then it goes over 75C.Dunno what it is but I have similar problems with unity games before, shit fucked. I don't like it at all.
The ATV kind of fucks, it's a better scout than anything with the improved sensor module
>>2344836soft armor and good coverif you're wearing pajamas you better end all your turns inside an APCalso drones like the other guy said
>Try out putting a sl inside an APC 24/7 and just popping out to use a mining laser>Works like a fucking charm, absolutely maims all aliens that manage to get close to the APC.Damn that's really fucking good.
>>2344854Turn off vsync and limit FPS to 60, that's what kept mine below 65C, before that it was pushing over 80C constantly
>>2344861yes, I did it all, it helped a little(not much)
They really need to add a big ass warning that it is a night time mission because I am retarded and I keep missing it on the mission briefing
>>2344855Give it a atgm, camo and sensors and drive it around tank-busting. Very fun solo even more so when combined with tech using binocular spotters
>>2344865Always check the day and weather with the little widget in top left of the map intel screen. Darby with nvgs skulking around cutting pirate throats and hosing down open topped mechinf with socom rifles feels great. We need melee ability where if you get close to a unit without being spotted you can cqc merc em all. Would be kino.
i hope theres a patch tomorrow with something neweither models for armors/weapons or some new mission typesor even a new squad leader or two
>>2344877patches will be released monthly
silenced crowbar is so important im afraid to start a new run
>>2344881Have you used the silenced m4 or hammer?
>>2344879did they say that on the discord or somethin?
>>2344885patches will be released every 2nd month
>>2344886ok well now you're just frickin lyin to me
>>2344888patches will be released every 3rd month
>>2344882the silenced m4? do you mean the kpac? its damage is so weak compared to the crowbar when shooting at things at max range. ive not found a silenced hammer
I hope stealth is and concealment builds are nerfed, this shit is so boring and fucked.Make shitters actually learn to play the game.Also make the AI stop running away from me.
You guys ever notice it's Marta's Martian Expeditionary Force storming the facility in the cinematic trailer? She really is the main character.
walkers are for defense missions and APCs are for assaultswhat's the A-ATV for?
>>2344908It's cheap. Medium vehicle weapons can be really good.
>>2344908Putting a 120mm howitzer in with ivey and exploding/suppressing jits
>>2344917Sorry i misread. Throw a hmg or atgm on it cheap and zoom around blasting
>>2344906Then who is the guy with bash armor she sent off to get fucked?
have they fixed the terrible decision to let you and the enemy fire through buildings as if they dont even exist
>>2344927They're gonna keep that forever.
which is pre patch and which is post patch?
>>2344859If you're fighting bugs, literally everything within 3 tiles will die to a volley of shotguns from 8 guys. Don't even need the mining laser.
>>2344803Crowbar is great unless you need to actually put meaningful damage onto an enemy or suppress someone in cover or fight up close.>b-but it's the best for slow max range crawlingYes as it should be, that tactic going too unpunished is a broader problem than just the crowbar being fit for it.
>>2344620Currently as dismount.Biggest problem is that she needs to ht the 90 ap so you can jump out shoot twice and jump back into safety.And giving her special weapons is not perfect, with athletic you'll get 1 use out of something like the pal and without you'll have to stay in the open.So I'm not sure I'm happy with her in that role compared to Lim for example.It still allows you to get a squishy squad up close to rip and tear with impunity though.
>>2344942Trvke
Anyone tried this? Its pretty funny on a 3 man Darby squad.
>>2344620I'm currently running both.>heavy weapons perks + mobile infantry>put her in the christian-piloted heavy APC>send it forward>dismount her right into the best, most central piece of cover, including the APC as bonus extra cover>murderMinigun works best for this, that 4-tile shot can be the biggest damage dump you can do with one action afaik but its short range and lack of enemy density normally holds it back
>>2344927that is by design
>>2344759>full mechanized warfareThat word doesn't mean what you think it means, but I get where you are coming from. For different reasons though, nerf the sci-fi gadgets except mechs? Makes me think it was a stealthy attempt to make a mechwarrior game.
>>2344786I don't know about VOTOMs but Heavey Gears can crouch in a prone position and even though the show was given shit for sucking the roller skating they do is fast. So if it was going to be Menace mechanics then they'd be hit-and-run or firing off from concealment (despite the fact that vehicles have poor concealment).
>>2344885Patches will be released in randomized intervals of time, sometimes shorter sometimes longer.>>2344942That tactic will always go unpunished unless they make the AI super aggressive if you get spotted once. The punishment for going for open firefights means risking getting fixed by artillery, whereas the concealment creep is the exact counter to enemy artillery.
so any mods you guys are running?
I wish there was a cheaper transport with less armor and only a small weapons slot, but the cost and armor of an A-ATV, like a space M113
>>2344959Heavy Gears are just VOTOMS. Curiously I never saw that weird show muhc like Battletech one.But I did a deep dive into the world and lore of Heavy Gear and I kinda liked it way more than battletech, Less bloated and more elegant.
Another well executed defense mission, I am sure the local forces are glad to have me on their side.
Menace may as well just crib as much as they can from XCOM 2. Give me a cross section of the ship with your SL and squaddies just lounging around/training.
>>2344981Add in a "FTL" style ship combat system and the game is near perfect.
>first playthrough feels starved for gear and ended when most of my roster died during a spectacular shitshow of a mission>second playthrough is giving me way more gear, I haven't seen mission difficulty beyond two skulls for some reason, and the RA have apparently decided that they're playing a cameo role and basically never show up>both are on normal difficultyI know the games randomises a bunch of stuff but this feels whack.
>>2344536God i love me some mobile infantry.
>>2344536I didnt hire any women on my squad.Got the Chinese dude, the redneck, the boomer and the black dude to start.Then i got the Aussie guy, and now i just acquired the Spanish dude.This has let me keep the woke retardation of the game in the background for the most part so far.
>>2344980>We did it Patrick! We saved the outpost.
>>2344672Why a 3 man squad?
>>2345010
>>2345010Except half of your squadies are women.I am not judging you, I dont mind the female squad leaders but the normal troops there should be 1 women in 10 man or more.
>stop migration mission >give Bog a light walker with a heavy flamethrower and two ammo boxes>he walks around frying squishies and stepping on the poor lil buggers while tripod autocannon Lim and AT rifle Darby hold the flanks, with Carda and Rewa in the middle with PAL and laser lance for the bigguns >lay AP mines across the map from orbit>drop supplyonce you're well kitted out stop the migration / interdiction are basically tower defense
>>2345028Squaddies are harder to see and will be a lot easier to mod out.The campaign and plot has been garbage so far, i dont even think ill miss any of it if theres some entire overhaul mod created.Its funny how Overhype tried to sell a set campaign as being the focus over a sandbox experience and yet its ended up being the weakest part of what they've produced.
>>2344839Promise to never come back?
>>2345033Well its part of EA being like that. They commented on the game narrative only coming together in 1.0. Including more banter.Honestly I dont give a fuck I would’ve preferred a more sandboxy experience like BB. Either way its a fun game.
>>2345033As long as I can mod it outside of steam workshop then I will be content for the most part.
>>2345015To keep supply costs low and retain mission focus, you just want the SL's perks and having more rifles starts making the firepower from the plasma gun less relevant while you might also start wanting a more specialized weapon like a RPG or no weapon at all depending on perks.
>>2344785He's a cheaper kody that's more specialized for sniping. Get him better concealment, and vanguard deployment to help mitigate his low AP, and put a sniper or DMR on him.He can either be ultra cheap 3 man sniper team or a full blown battle rifle squad, works in either role. He is not a disappointing pick at all. In fact I regularly take the 1-star SL's because they're so cheap. I have never felt like they weren't worth it. Even jean is ok because she can finish stuff off and give me fat stacks of loot.
Am I missing something or are basically all the CQC assault rifle variants made obsolete by the basic bitch PDW? It's insanely good. I loved the CQC assault rifles in the demo but now I don't see any reason to use them other than for flavor.
i hope we get proper city maps with tight spaces, maybe even some spaceship fights too that are infantry only
>special ammo types apply to the light mortarI guess it's because it has the "projectile" trait. Stick some AP or REND on your mortar team and it makes it actually worth using the frag shells past early game. Guessing it's a bug, but it's a fun one.
>>2345049i really hope they add in ammo types for the specials and vehicle weapons, would be nice for customization
>>2345047At close range they are definitely out shone. I guess they're meant to be balanced by still being able to shoot max range but their drop off is so bad it's hardly ever worth it.
>>2345047Yes. Cause most combat in this poorly designed game happens either at a gorillion miles or 2 tiles away.There's no room for midrange weapons.
>>2345045I really feel like you're meant to change your loadout very frequentlyI find myself on certain missions going for 2 elite infantry squads with 2 vehicles, and on others wanting 5 mediocre squads and one vehicle. Being able to have a lot of somewhat weak units can be really effective, especially given how the turn order system works.
>>2345056>just absolutely endless bitchingCan we try and have a nice thread for once?
>>2345060>grown-ass man cries about minor criticism towards his new favorite game, film at 11How about you go back to whatever hugbox you came from? Or better yet, kill yourself.
>>2345061>whiny cunts shit up threads about games they don't like>reddit spacing lolgo back
>>2345060then stop being a faggot, if he want to vent then let him instead of being offended like some fragile cunt
Schizo posting begins already. Welp it was a nice thread for the first couple dozen posts I guess.
>>2345063Rushed to your lover's defence pretty fast for someone who isn't an easily offended faggot. Fuck euro hours really are just the worst
>>2345064take your meds, there is no schizos here, just germans
>>2345065then fuck off, you are the most obnoxious cunt in this threads
>>2345066>Germanshow dreadful. Bomber Harris did nothing wrong except not finish the job
>>2345068all germans should be resettled to Manchuria and Midwest
>>2345067Nah I'm done participating in your shit fetish. You wanna tank this thread like the last 3 you'll have to do it without my help this time. Enjoy your last (you) from me.
>>2345070don't come back you fag
kek
>>2345060This thread will last at least 2 weeks. You are asking for the impossible. Just be glad the Anon who kept bitching about /pol/ fucked off.
>>2345077Shit I had already forgotten about him
>>2345077you want to summon him or something?
I keep trying to use Pike for his marking and AP boost but honestly I don't see much of a purpose for him beyond rally, which I think is low key his best ability by far.I would rather take Tech and just give him a target designator for 30 AP most of the time
>>2344949Incredibly good. Suppress button with surprising accuracy and damage. Great against any unit type. Even with menace it can overload and hurt em.
>>2344973It would be cool if we got a transport that allowed multiple squads. Alongside the ability to mount squads in cars. Also atvs/bikes would be cool. Fast, zero armor or cover, 5ap to dismount, a bit of visibility but can be turned off. Perfect for stealth squads and scouts. Lighter transport would be good something with 100 armor and only a light slot. Maybe options for extra utilities? Something like a bmp.
>>2344999>die hard on tech. Drop it for more grenade stuff. Bags and belts, explosion aoe and nade range + mk2 grenades, anti tank nades, emp nades, smoke.Allows him to be a utility powerhouse and lob nade launcher shots across the map. Keep the spotting utility thats a good choice.
>>2345088Bmps are ifvs, which we already have.
>>2345084>use Pike to Rally>they just get instantly re-pinnedEvery time
>>2345084Pike is too busy to mark. Between rally, AP boost, a mortar and drones when will you ever mark?
>>2345095Yeah it does happen, but then it costs the enemy more AP to repin than it does to rally so I consider it a good trade off.>>2345097This is pbly a hot take but I don't even consider his AP boost all that strong. Yes a super squad can become even more super, but I would rather take another squad for the supply and can do far more with the 60 AP as a general rule outside of edge cases.
>>2345100the edge cases can be pretty powerful though, like being able to both fire and vent the laser lance in the same turn
>>2345100its main use is you put him in the middle of stuff and he can give ap to a flank that needs it. Its true that if you can afford to fully kit out a squad its not so useful. It is really useful early on though. Pike shines early game i think. Late game you can turn him into various things but id rather just take someone else most of the time. if you keep him cheap to deploy though the deployment cost is like a few accessories or a squad special weapon. would you ever consider equipping a special that says '+40 ap'? i would
>>2345106I think what he needs is the ability to use his skills from inside a vehicle. If he uses AP boost then he can't keep up with a force moving forward, and he's really squishy for a force on the defence where its near impossible to keep him safe.
>>2345121his adjacency passive does work inside a vehiclealso, if you already have a wardog deployed you can suicide attack with it while Pike is buttoned up in an APC
>>2345123I mean like his actual command abilities. Maybe a vehicle module that acts like a command module that lets him do it with an increased range or decreased AP cost or something would be cool
Finally managed to complete a run on Challenging. These SLs were my damage dealers, Lim and Vamplew can do crazy amount of killing in a single turn, especially when buffed by Pike. Tech is a lot slower than these guys, but can soak up an incredible amount of damage and with the right drugs he's completely immune to suppression. Also managed to pick up Darby at the end of the run, made missions really easy
>>2344536>be Major John Menace>get woken up>first thing you see apart from your LT is some comedically corrupt thirdie field marshal with enough self awarded medals they probably count as class IV protection>man, this Wayback system is a shithole, isn't it
>bog finally got 100 action points>I can now shoot and fire the rocket organ every turn with pike buffing him
>finally installed 3 AI Logistics because I can now afford new squaddies every time the BM refreshes>got a infantry price reduction from a missionthis is the most people I've ever deployed in this game.
So we got multiple possibilities here>TCR gets in unharmed and we get lots of new toys against redacted (not gonna happen, TCR too op)>TCR doesnt get into the system because redacted destroys/blocks/takes over the gate (likely)>TCR gets into the system and meets the Jingwei fleet but redacted fucks them up both + blockades the gate + gets new toys and we gotta fight for our survival in the wayback (likely)I think they will go for the gate-gets-fucked so we dont get the op shit from the TCR, redacted gets to propagate and can escalate from there + end goal could be to fix the gate by finding/destroying some redacted mcguffin
>>2345152I just want the TCR Marine plate and the R228A1 MRS. God, please.
>>2344803>Is it just me, or is the Kr-BaR (crowbar) just too good?The meta right now is conceal crowl with max range engagements, so battle rifles are king for squad weapons.Until conceal is reworked into being a less binary all or nothing thing, it's gonna be the best.
>>2344908the ATV got 3 accessory slots, it's an APC better oriented for combat if you don't need transport and the heavy weapon slot
>>2345152My money is on the gate being fucked up and preventing the TCR from arriving in force. The stuff listed on the end screen is so ridiculously bullshit that it would completely break everything; where's the room for a single ship with a couple platoons of plucky troopers in a fight where both sides are apparently casually devastating entire planets from orbit?
>>2345173I hope they at least get some supplies through the gate.
im annoyed theres no midline armor with good camo and 3 utility slots.running anything with 60 armor is 2x cost i want something with 50 armor 3 utily for 1.5x cost of soft armor.rn the meta is just using soft armor for anything else is too expensive.also the SL that gives -30% to armor supply doesnt seem to worktheres no reason to use better armor unless ur strapped for squaddies, having more firepower of 8 down range is just better. you can always find lvl2 cover in most places, or just pop smoke
this game is more annoying the more you play it
>>2345152I'm voting on the [REDACTED] taking over the incoming TCR fleets and turning whole personnel into techno ghouls.Jingwei fleet manages to blow up few ships and looting for new toys starts.We get dripfed new equipment while we gotta fight against tanks with reactive flesh armor.
>>2344586The professional cannot hurt you if you rain infinite rockets down on him.
I only use the ak on everyone.
>>2345185So what you're saying is...AK-47S FOR EVERYONE
>>2345183I tried that but I get the feeling that there is a hidden debuff or something from double rockets, it feels worse than single rocket somehow in terms of damage/supression etc
>>2345187Yeah twinlinked weapons tank your accuracy. That setup is kind of a meme, you're almost always better off using a single organ on a cheapass ATV or pirate truck, since you're just going to sit in the back and spam rockets at extreme range anyway.
How do the stars work? Are they randomly assigned every campaign or do the same characters have the same amount of stars always?And what exactly do they do? I assume they tell you about the quality of the character but I don't know what's affected.
>>2345194The squad leaders are the same over various playthroughs. The stars for squad leaders broadly define their starting stat range and how much it costs to deploy them. 3 stars come out of the gate with much stronger stats, but cost more in supplies. Vice versa for 1 stars. 2 stars are in the middle. The stats for the squad leaders are visible as soon as you're prompted to pick your initial 4, just look at the stats on Carda and then the stats on Darby for a comparison.
>>2345194The same characters always have the same amount of stars. Characters with more stars usually have better starting stats, but the main thing stars do is determine how expensive a character is to deploy. Higher stars means the base supply costs higher, the supply cost increase per promotion is higher, and the base supply cost per squaddie is higher as well. Gear still costs the same regardless of stars though, which somewhat reduces the overall impact.
>>2345194The same characters always have the same stars. They stand for how expensive a character is to use. One star characters are cheap to use but have shit starting stats while three star characters have great stats and siills but they are way more expensive. Two stars are in the middle.
>>2345194more stars = better but more costly SqL*** 40 base cost +10 extra per trooper, 80 for vehicle, 15 extra per perk** 20 + 5, 40 for vehicle pilot, 10 per perk* 4 + 2, infinity for vehicle, 5 per perk
>>2345084you use his AP boost before some one goes so that they can make two 60 ap attacks in one go, or use an item/ability before an attack
>>2345090I did his grenade build in another play through. This time I used him with a target designator and its actually godly on him since he doesn't need to set up to use it. That with quick hands and full send, I have him with a sniper rifle, he can use the target designator 3 times, or use it once and fire the sniper twice, or use the target designator twice and fire the sniper once, or just fire the sniper 3 times. Its been really useful.
>>2345213Oh and the reason why I have die hard on him, is so that I don't lose my target designator in a battle.
how do you loot vehicles in this game?do you decrew or dagger them down?
>>2345217You basically have a chance to get some of the gear that human enemies drop. They're also available on the black market
>>2345217I get a lot of walkers when fighting rogue army but rarely ever get trucks when fighting pirates. So I don't think it matters if you blow them up during the battle because pirates often leave their trucks which means I don't shoot them down.
What ethnicity is Gabriel? He looks Mexican, he has the Catholic-Criminal style yet he speaks with a kiwi accent but Gabriel Exconde does not sound like a kiwi name.
>>2345230racially ambiguous NY taxi driver
>>2345230Mutt
>>2345230He's probably supposed to be some flavor of hispanic, but the devs didn't get their hands on someone from mexico for whatever reason. Carda is another character where she has a weird accent. Most of her lines are some vague "American" accent, but she slips into a different one every now and then.
>>2345230Future space man
Shout out to the not-Wagner Group guy for being a fucking goofball.>OKEY I KILL BUG
>>2344990Rng too much matter on strategic layer.
>>2345241I got him killed because fuck Ivan and fuck Ziggers. Shame he wasn't a more human ethnicity.
>>2345245trying a bit too hard with that one, bait used to be believable
>play on ironman>still savescumim so disgusted and disappointed in myself yet i cant stop
>>2345248You've gone mad with power it seems
>>2344990What mission did you get that killed your squad? I have played on normal so far and the game hasn't offered any challenge. Most enemies dies to one or two shots and the AI prefers to walk around rather than shoot at me.I was going to restart on a higher dificulty but now I'm waiting to see what the menace faction does before restarting.
>>2345247No, I genuinely hate Russians. Total Ivan Death.
>>2345152My money is on they will fall into an ambush cause the Jingwei doesn't want to relinquish authority
>>2345248I only savescum if the game fucks me over with bugs
>>2345267Let me guess, you couldn't even find Russia or Ukraine on a map prior to 2022.
>>2345245/pol/ brainrothow can you even play a comically diverse game like menace without having an aneurysm
Is it me or are autocannons the "good at everything" weapon?
Option to change decals on dropship when? We should get more camouflage and decals as you do achievements or progression. I want to drop carda a big fat supply package in the “menace killer 4000” painted gold
>>2345279I'm not American so I find my way around a map easily, thanks. Geography isn't a tough subject so no need to project your own lack of education.>>2345284I don't mind the cast at all, hell it's cool that they have an Ivan on the team so I can recruit him and have him run into the enemy as a suicidal scout. Just like real life!
>>2345230Probably png, samoan, fijian or some bizzare mixed bag island folk.
Am I the only one struggling with the enemy having access to far more long ranged fire support than you get? For a game that's all about restraining or omitting things like drones and artillery so that we can actually get fun fights, even the fucking bugs sure seem to be brining a lot of mortars, which can kill 4 men in high tier armour with pinpoint accuracy in one blast.
i dont like fighting cyborgs, they dont drop anything coolwhos same?
>>2345234You can hear the asian slipping through. Same with the assistant.
https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/2432860/manuals/f90d8d83afe8ea94be7d5d9d89592dc506916f3f/MENACE_-_Beginner_s_Guide.pdf?t=1770911080>tfw the game has an actual manual on steam
>>2345290Menace seem to be generally considered very boring and shit to fight
>>2345287go back to /chug/ or /uhg/ or whatever cesspit you come from, we talk about video games here
>>2345289The meta currently is leaning more into long range engagements, unless you use something like boarding jumpsuits or some exconde taxi rush, you're gonna get fucked up by long range unless you bring even longer range and keep your units concealed
>>2345289Bug mortars are rng. But you aren’t playing right if you are letting them hit you. They are designed to dislodge infantry which it sounds like you are falling for. Scout them and stop them from sitting behind. You are always going to be numerically outgunned: its the story.
>>2345290>i dont like fighting cyborgs, they dont drop anything coolHopefully later on they drop some exclusive tech
>>2345296How intensely shit.
>>2345299You can always lower difficulty, then you don't have to play optimally.Just like literally every singe game out there.
cool effect
>>2345298The description for the items they currently drop imply they will be used for some kind of research or exclusive technology. Im guessing that certain oiw and maybe even items will be acquired with menace resources.
>>2345300Playing optimally also rapes the AI so there's that too
>>2345297Bug mortars I can handled what's getting stuck in my craw is when the RA rock up with more tubes than a fucking plumber's van, sink it every soit and obliterate people in armour that should have no issue catching blast and frag.Surely running towards them into the open field to try and get close to the mortars just get me shit to ribbons by their comrades, the nefarious 4 Autocannon teams all camping the choke point?
I'm watching some streamers play and they always choose assault rifles and other shit that's useless as operation rewards.Like dude, pick the damn reactive armor, being able to use your vehicle offensively without blowing up is more important than 5% extra dps on your squad
>>2345305Thanks phone autocorrect, for not only not catching my actual typos or registering my commas, but actively inserting typos so I look like a retard. Very based, much appreciated.
>>2345302What? Lighting effects?
Breaching armor is a complete meme >b-but every soldier is like a APC!So? They have fuck all firepower with 1 accessory, doesn't help that Vamplew the only one that can realistically equip a full squad is fucking dogshit at the whole shooting part
The Menace shouldn't be a faction, they should be a constant threat that can appear in every single mission, just make it rare.An oh shit situation, you know, a MENACE
>It's a "you forgot for the 20th time pirate boarding commandos have counterattack" episode
>>2345314The first time I found this out was with Carda. Her three squaddies will be missed.
>>2344876when you're out of ammo and a melee unit (like spiderlings) attacks you, your squaddies do fight back with thier bare hands. you take a lot of damage, but the enemy also is damaged a bit (they're better at melee i guess).only tested it in the demo, but enemy pirate squads also can run out of ammo. sadly they just wander around after that happens and don't try any melee attacks.
>>2345287Imagine being this much of a faggot lol
>>2345323How's the lack of Telegram and Starlink doing, Ivan?
>A squad literally shot its own squaddie due to missing.WHATI didn't think that's possible, hahahaha.
Do you guys take the growth potential perk? Is it worth it?I didn't note down how big my characters' stats were at the start so I don't really notice how much it has grown.
>>2345245You're blatantly attention-whoring at this point
>>2345328ive been taking it and i dont think its worth it
>>2345328100% worthless on any character
>>2345248just play honestman, my man
>>2345328Some anon ran the numbers in the previous thread, not only is it bad but 1 star SLs are also a bit of a trap on higher difficulties
>>2345325>he thinks I'm Russian for some reason >oh no not muh heckin telegramrinosbrainrot
>>2345342Don't engage him. He just wants to turn this thread into cumchugger vs uhghur shitflinging.
>>2345328after playing over 40 hours, I wouldnt take it anymore, the stat increases will happen eventually with or without higher growth, the good characters will improve anyway, the bad ones mostly come with higher potential but the CHANCE of improving isnt worth a perk slot I feel>do you take athletic which fundamentally changes how your character can play or are you taking the miniscule improvement in the background so you can get +1 action point 5 missions in, instead of 10nah
>>2345358>cumchugger vs uhghur shitflingingIt's time to log off.
>>2345323>We are [the guy who shot first]Oh no no no, media literacy sisters, our response?
>>2345372Ah yes, Greedo, a known saint who was there to treat Han to some tea and biscuits.
>another thread in the shitter because you gaggle of eternally triggered semen addicts can't keep /pol/ content on /pol/It's all so tiresome.
Frankie needs to have breast implants.
>>2345327Haven't had that happen. Did you target something adjacent to your own unit? The bullets have a small chance to hit other targets in adjacent squares
I feel like I'm being brainwashed.SERVICE IS ALWAYS AN ACT OF VALOR
>>2345380Yeah, an alien right next to me, was funny.
>>2345382It's just Starship Troopers shit. "Service guarantees citizenship" It's a bit too on the nose.
patch doko
>>2345327Friendly fire from misses and stray shots is a thingI figured that if you want to shot at something that is right next to one of your guys, it will be only "safe" to do if they are on the diagonals, in relation to target, that closer to the shooter.
>>2345289>For a game that's all about restraining or omitting things like drones and artillery so that we can actually get fun fights, even the fucking bugs sure seem to be brining a lot of mortarsthe irony of this is that the best way to kill bombardier beetles is to chase them down with an FPV droneI think anons are sleeping on drones, both Wardog and Falcon
>>2345152I mean considering that we already got fucked up making our way trough the gate it is most likely the TCR will face a similar fate. While also getting teabagged by our [REDACTED] friends.
>>2345419Drones are awesome. i gave my Marta two wardogs so that she could take out two high value things when her accuracy is low. I also give lim a falcon drone, since he can deploy it and move it before mounting up in the transport, and if the transport doesn't encounter any enemies he can pop out and scan a large area before popping back into the transport. Both are very very useful.
>>2345224That might also mean that loot rolls are only generated when a vehicle gets destroyed. So when pirates leave their trucks you don't destroy them and thus get so rarely loot from them.Could also be wrong.>>2345309Imo the issue is the high supply cost while still being suppresable by anything.
>>2345419Drones is shit AP wise.
Supply Cost is a gay mechanic. If a player has played well enough that they can afford and bring along good gear, why punish them with arbitrary "supply" limits?
>>2345447Lazy way to limit player's power.
>>2345447To add some strategy so you have to plan your loadout instead of bringing every character with all the best equipment for every mission.
>>2345436Yeah but you can split the AP over two turns by preparing your drones in advance, and once they're deployed they give absurd movement per APThe AI also REALLY likes to waste time focusing them down, they're excellent distractions
>>2345449its shit, theres should be a soft cap for bonuses.go in with 1000 supply for 2x rewards or go in with 2000 supplies for normal.also being +5 points from hard cap should be forgivable
>>2345460Just use cheat engine if the game is too hard for you. Or wait for someone to mod in supply cheats.
>>2345461The game punishing me for being good is a terrible mechanic."Oh, you fought some good battles, earned yourself some good loot? Well fuck you, you can't bring it along." Besides, some of those supply costs are fucking nuts. 130+ supply for a weapon or armour? It's like bringing a fucking tank along wtf.
>>2345419Wardog drone is fantastic but I think it stops appearing in the black market after midgame which really sucks.
>>2345460Yeah it should be balances points but balance so hard fucked there so it's just annoying cockblocker for player for prevent use any shinny toys.As anon said, use Vader's mod or cheat engine.
>>2345464good to know, I'll stock up, what do you consider mid-game?
>This is not a valid sightline
>>2345462>The game punishing me for being good is a terrible mechanic.>I fought for this, now let me crutch the game on wunderwaffenYou are a living contradiction
>>2345474Retardnta
>>2345467I'd say right now midgame is Rogue Army and endgame is Menace. I don't know if that exactly corresponds with when certain items stop showing up but it feels like that to me.
>>2345476explain your logic
>>2345467Store change seems to happen a few operations after menace turns up, could be earlier. I believe I started seeing medium mechs for sale after the second menace operation
>>2344601Their first game had that too, what the fuck?
>>2345480Literally "Why am I being punished for performing well?"I'm sorry but I'd say I've deserved this supposed "crutch" if I've endured enough bullshit to be able to outfit my guys well to have a higher chance of success.
>>2345480>hurr durr get reward for hard work and use this reward for do more hard work is le crutch>REE WHY YOU CALL ME RETARDRetard.
>>2345380Nah it happened to me too. You can also suppresses and morale break your own guys.
they had decent system limiting army size in BB, increasing upkeep they decided to go with """logistics""" system which makes no sense (why even SL lvl up makes them costs more, are they harder to transport now?)
>>2345471>square tiles as a graphical abstraction breaks anon's brainmany such cases
Niggers complaining about supply limitations should just download supply cheats and play with their space marines.It's a single-player game. Nobody cares.
>>2345500>YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO CRITIQUE MY GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>2345289Bugs should be entirely reworked in my humble opinion.As it is they play too close to the other factions. Lots of infantry of various quality interspersed by the odd armoured vehicle analogue, so the gameplay is basically the same, and tends to prioritize hard hitting AT weapons and precision especially as the game goes on.In my mind they should do away with Blasters and Bombardiers entirely and double or triple the amount of lesser bugs in a match. Make it so I truly feel the need to bring lots of AoE weapons, machine guns, more squads to cover more angles and am now worried about being simply overrun since I can't hit them all at once, rather than just taking cover and hoping squads don't get spotted and deleted by artillery, the same as every other faction.
>>2345502Bugs should be more swarmy, with their armored units being more intimidating. Do I clear the little shits, or fight the warriors should be more than "I'll just brrt the trash until the big ones gets scared or run away"Warriors should have a unique trait to being resistant to armor sandblasting desu, an enemy entirely built around how well you can withstand melee pressure instead of the shoot and scoot ranged fucking shits. The bombardier is great though, I hate that fucking thing in the early game.
>>2345500>download supply cheatsprojecting much? its not about difficulty but shitty design, BB is still harder game
>>2345267why?
>>2345500Could it use some more tweaking? Sure?But fuck being limited using what you have is the real charm to it.I bet people are just autistic and whenever have their teams set up they dont realise you can switch roles and squadies and weapons even with SL that have wildly different perks.What I guess would be quality of life here is some sort of system to save SL team and gear profiles.
>>2345382yes actually, draft soon, 3rd ww soon
>>2345500Personally I don't think there is really a problem with the supply limit mechanic. It doesn't give you the same 'building an army' feeling BB does but if they fix the balance and the AI it'll probably lead to a more engaging end-game, and that would be worth it
What enemy are you hoping for before RA shows up?>Bugs: Easy money, but bombardiers can rape you>Pirates: Gear, but you are at risk of being outgunned depending on what vehicles they spawn
Man, you people are real shit at the game uh
>>2345532I'm exceptionally good at the game
>>2345532>Do I use a hammer for my job in carpentry>or do I use my fists to get these nails inretard
Ever since the "truth nuke" soijaks became mainstream I've not seen a single quality opinion attached to them.
>>2345302Believe it or not games have had shadows for multiple decades
>>2345536Nobody asked retard
>>2345534>Why can't I bring all my toys!!!!1An actual child, because the game says so, stop being shit and learn to fucking play strategy games
>>2345536tsmt
>>2345539So you admit the game actively punishes you for playing well?
>Why can't I bring my entire party in baldur's gate!>Why can't I carry on my resources from the previous mission in command and conquer!>Why can't I bring more than 20 units in Total War!An actual mongoloid child
>>2345500honestly I just want the option to tweak it ingame, both for my own supply and the enemy supplylet me have the normal level supply bonus but make enemies have the same as me (both being 1.4)
Does a blown up vehicle give less cover?I'm debating if blowing up a pirate truck is worth it to increase accuracy against the infantry taking cover
>>2345549I don't think so. The smaller pirate trucks give the 25% cover bonus even at a head-on angle and the bigger trucks give 50%. I've taken cover behind them with my squads and it doesn't seem to matter. As an aside, destroyed structures, such as the watchtowers, give omni-directional cover
>tfw watching a japanese streamer drop a Crcocodile on his 4th operation against pirateswtf
>>2345545The game does a shit job of keeping supply consistent. Why does a leveled SL cost more? Why does one armour cost as much as a fucking APC? Why are some guns as much as a good set of armour? The costs are too high.
>>2345560That's beyond the point of having a supply limit or not and given that the game literally just came out in early access balance is not going to be perfect
>Counterattack can hit stealthWelp, Darby just got gunned down like a dog in the street by boarding commandos.
>>2345560Just use cheat engine if you want to play on easy mode with no regard for balance.
>>2345567I hope you get sent to war with nothing but a fucking stick. Go bitch about "muh easy mode" then retard.
>Starting a new campaign with no intel >It's gonna cost 500 to get them up and running againI feel naked
>>2345569he's not the one complaining about the rules of the gameDo you also complain when you can't skip squares when playing monopoly? That's how retarded you sound.Just use cheats and stop complaning, we all know that's what you want
>>2345500just admit its a retarded fucking system
>>2345574Yes, he's just some fucking shitter that wants the game to be something that it isn't.
>>2345570Unironically intel does jack shit. You already know enemy positions, just make sure both starting flanks have one AT each and you're golden.
Question: If I give Ivey barrage and Full Send, does that mean that if she uses the twin heavy machine guns her first shot will cost 30 AP and every subsequent one 20 AP?Cause that sounds kinda busted
>>2345579Yeah no, I don't want to be suprised by a RA heavy tank or the construct terminator looking fuckers.Also it's pretty important to know where skirmishers, jaegers and other specialists are.
>>2345581Yes she's pretty good, you want someone marking targets for her as well as that perk that buffs accuracy against marked targets
>>2345567>with no regard for balance.there is no balance in this pre-alpha release you cock gobbling faggot
>>2345594It's reasonably balanced. If you can't win with the current amount of supply it's a you problem.
>Work on a star 1 SL>They die in a mission>All that time leveling them up, wasted.Yep I am a 3-star only chad now.
>>2345599Oh my god, the point isn't about winning you fucking retard. Literally on numerous occasions it is stated that if the player has persevered so much that they have all that equipment, why is it a problem to let the players have fun with all that equipment? "I won and got all these toys yet I'm only allowed to use one of them."
>>2345545You can bring your entire party of 6 (in baldur's gate) everywhere though. What you seem to want is a system that at least makes a little bit of logistical sense to limit you from bringing a ton of squaddies and every SL you have. Instead, you have a system that will give you a cool new weapon or armor and it being functionally useless because it's overpriced compared to bringing some dudes with a standard rifle and level I protection>>2345574The game is balanced around a bad system, removing the balancing mechanic doesn't fix it, it just makes it broken in a different way.
>>2345608just use cheats shitter
>>2345619>The game is balanced around a bad systemA system used by literally every single tabletop wargameJust admit you're a tourist and use cheats, no one is judging you
>>2345623Why would I admit to two things I'm not? I wouldn't remove the system because, the game is literally balanced around it. And the argument you bring up is so asinine you should be fucking ashamed of even using it to troll. Of course a PVE videogame shouldn't be balanced the same way a PVP one is.
>>2345625>Why would I admit to two things I'm not?But you are a tourist, this isn't a debate, go ahead and cheat.
>>2345629Stop pushing your delusions on me. I will not cheat and you are a turbo nigger for cheating.
I give up.I can't do this fucking mission, there's a million goddamn constructs routing my units shooting 200 times every turn.If anyone is willing to try here it is https://www.mediafire.com/file/lcqs7i6mjfdvvj2/Saves.rar/file
>>2345545>sorry gamer you leveled up, now you can't have as many members of your party, gotta send one back to camp until arbitrarily in a while you can have them back>oh, equipped a new sword? sorry gotta drop a party member to have that sword.You can have more than 20 units in a lot of total wars, have you played the games? It's just 20 per stack you can have multiple stacks.
>>2345640Yep, it's called videogames, I know you're knew about the whole thing, you should use cheats to help yourself since you're new.Hope that helps!
>>2345623>A system used by literally every single tabletop wargameTalking out of your ass. Not in campaign systems traditionally. Only for random matches where you want things to be relatively balanced. And there's a lot of games without a points balancing system.In a campaign system usually you'll have some kind of rating for your force. When you face someone there's some solutions:>The lower rated gets a big underdog bonus if they win, and a moderate one even if they lose so even though a lose is likely they get a decent bit out of the match. Scaled based on difference between ratings.>The lower rated gets to fill up with special things to meet the rating of the other player, extra units that aren't part of their roster, special abilities etc.>The higher rated brings a portion of their force to roughly equal their opponent.But these systems are to create a fun match between two humans. This is vs a computer, if the computer doesn't have fun it doesn't matter.>>2345643Except Baldurs gate doesn't actually work like that.
>>2345635I'll do it.Your OCIs are triggering my tism but I'll work with this.Will post back if I succeed.
>MAKE THEM PENCIL PUSHERS PROUD!>Oh, fuck offLove the banter between the SLs
>>2345657its nice that they had tech follow that up that he got the reference
>>2345657i'm missing what this is a reference to, but I've seen the blatant american psycho one and the one that is a reference to ancientfag meme about "they don't think it be like this, but it do"
>Having a good run on expert, around the time first RA shows up>Decide to take on one last time against a Pirate raid before going against the RA>3 heavy chaingun trucks show up at the same time on the first mission>All I have is Bog with tank gun( Rewa, was on R&R)Those trucks, man. They dont care about cover. Thankfully this isnt Ironman, had to savescum 5 times to get the right team to clear them up.
>>2345657What is the reference? t. not in the know
>>2345661>>2345668seems like its a reference to the movie glass where bruce willis' character drowns in a puddlebasically a super strong character that had scenes of lifting tons and tons of weights i think
>>2345670What? They couldn't reference any other movie? Who the fuck cared about Glass?
>>2345661How did they get away with this?
>>2345673I mean, the weight lifting bit is the more direct reference to unbreakable (which is the first movie)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFTvDvWlwwwand then the follow up marine's reference is for glassI guess it being a bit obscure is kinda the point, that the marine's reference is like "who the fuck references glass" so everyone jsut assumed it was racist because of the stereotype with black people and waterbut tech getting it anywayits a good set up for that outcome
Tek is the type of character to make racists lose their racism because he's just so universally cool. He's a reliable bro, he's fit, he's funny and he's competent. He's four for four.Now we just need Sisko.
they should put out enemies that take up multiple squares
>>2345683There is a unit size stat for vehicles, maybe we will see 2x1 or 2x2 units later.
>>2345691I could see menace fielding big monstrosities, maybe as an op ending mission objectivebugs similar, but if the hive queens one size then i dunnomaybe a big worm?pirates and rogue army tho are much more harder to say, i guess just a bigger tank that has a cart attached to it or just segmented like a train
>>2345674It do be like that mister stancil.
>>2345678If only real life negro bucks acted like him. Alas, they'll have to keep getting shot.
Is there a way to make infantry viable at dealing damage late game? Sure they can stay alive, but nothing they do comes close to being as efficient as using walkers with twin guns.
>>2345635>>2345650OK I did itSkirmisher in the corner killed yaz and ivey at the end when I was cleaning up, oops. Couldn't be fucked to redo, and didn't try for the time objective out of lazy.Didn't like your perk setups, but lived with them. Could probably have done better but here you go:https://litter.catbox.moe/sjuraj6lhspbzrv2.zip
>>2345700REND ammo and high rates of fire
>>2345700You can have like 3 infantry squads for the cost of a walker.
>>2345705Thanks anon, but I managed in the end I did better than you get fucked nerd lmao jk
>>2345700MI Carda with heavy machine gun, AP ammo, tankbuster and full send, put her on god's chosen APC and everything aside from heavy tanks in a 10 square radius dies.
>>2345714Your perk builds are all completely different to mine, I kept moving pike and going to mark target or rally then realizing he didn't fuckin have it.Fuck skirmishers.
>>2345718Yeah I never really missed rally until now, and I even have 100 authority but there were so many menace morale became a real problem I never really had
>>2345722Land mines would help a lot.I managed the main fight with no casualties by rushing exconde forward and dropping smoke to cut the blob in half for the most part.Clearing out what was on my side, and what came through the smoke, then finishing off what was on the other.Might have been able to do it faster with some different builds but yeah.Tech marked the guncrawlers when smoke wasn't around and ivey indirect fired them.
GENIE GENIE GENIE
>>2345728>I managed the main fight with no casualties by rushing exconde forward and dropping smoke to cut the blob in half for the most part.Yeah that's what I ended up doingI got Bog the double rocket battery and kept them pinned that way mostly and slowly took them out.I barely managed the 16 turn secondary objective and Tech got bruised though
>>2345674bro literally has a "muh dick" voiceline ingame, not even joking, the devs are based as fuck
They fix the shit AI yet?
>construct skirmisher shoots twice>takes out two dudes wearing tactical breaching armorThey need to rebalance this armor because this ain't it
IFV or Medium Walker? Got both as operation rewards and not sure what is more useful.
>>2345751The IFV is jsut an APC+, Medium walker actually allows you to do more unique things, like twin linking medium weapons if you have two of them.
>>2344540based and buggerinopilled
>>2345752Any interesting combinations?
How many hours are we in? I've got 45
>>2345756Basically every weapon can be twin linked and then you can fire both with just one action, some change their behavior like twin link gatlings double their AOE range when using the secondary fire mode.
>>234575735 50 something if we count the hours with the pirated copy
>>2345760All I have 2 of are airburst rockets. Guess Ill have to keep a look out for other mediums.
>ATGM a blaster bug with Bog>I know how that feels, buddy
>>2345766I mean that in itself could work really well vs menace
>>2345623>A system used by literally every single tabletop wargamein skirmish mode you obnoxious faggot
>>2345248i really wish there was a game mode where you have one save but can reload it. i want permanent strategic choices but the ability to replay the battles
I got the twin rotary barrel machine gun mount and the next mission was against pirate saboteurs where they all spawned in a big group right near the deployment zone, holy fuck that was orgasmic.
>>2345757dunno, i am pirate and steam doesnt track it even when linked
>>2345581She also gets two 120mm mortar shots. Very fun.
>>234575769.9 hours
>>234575752 on steam, about 12-20 pirate.
>>2345285They are the mediocre at everything weapon, and leaning on the bad side of mediocre.You can get it to lean on the good side of mediocre if you have an SL with ridiculous accuracy so 95% of your salvos hit.The C6 is better, especially with high accuracy and AP rounds. If you could give AP ammo to the vehicle version it'd probably be as good/better than the laser at killing all the light vehicle/bug chaff.
>>2345285Depends if you're talking on vehicle or on infantry.On infantry the HMG is just better.
I am warming up to bags and belts pretty much like quick hands in BB.You basically can create your own skill with whatever cool equipment you bring on missions.I didn’t want Gabriel to be another apc taxi or long range tanker, but just realised he might make a pretty decent aggressive scout walker.I pulled bags and belts expert pilot and scout, and hes jumping around begin a nuisance with the good sensors equipement, maybe unbreakable and his divine intervention can pull him out of trouble later. As luxury final perks maybe tank buster to add a little finishing power after a jump. Call out target seems wasted since its better on big concealment infantry.For now the enemy just locks on him and scrambles and i just jump away if I dont want to take a shot if it feels dangerous.
>>234575774 hours and I haven’t seen the Menace or endgame, mostly because I am running 3 different teams for variety. Also have littel time outside weekends.
It's finally over...
>>2345833These defense missions get crazy.
>>2345833
Does anyone know what determines operation rewards?
>>2345837stars, more stars = higher tier rewards pool
>>2345307as a general rule, playing competently doesn't generate discussion or engagement, streamers are not selected for because they are any good at games, but because they cause people to talk about them.
>>2345666I have quickly learned that the very first things you need to beeline for on expert are 1. better guns, 2. first soft armor, 3. anti-tank weapons, particularly wardogs but any special weapon AT is goodIf every squad does not have a decent AT special weapon by the time the rogue army shows up you need to start over
>>2345708yeah as long as they aren't wearing any armor
>>2345746They definitely stealth patched sometime in the last couple days that made the AI a little more passive instead of constantly staying out of your LoS, but they havent' actually fixed anything. It's still omniscient, it still knows where all of your units are and what their weapon ranges and sightlines are without having to do any spotting or recon to find them, and it still rushes at or avoids units it shouldn't know exist.It'll take weeks for them to develop the AI so that it actually scouts instead of just knowing where everything is, and that's only if they actually acknowledge it's a glaring lesion on the game's tactics, which considering it's survived this long through the demo and all the feedback, means they don't care and will never actually fix it.Expect this problem to persist until a modder does it for them.
>>2345750The boiler bug also one-shots high armor guysSo not only are you paying like 100 points per dude in a squad to keep them from being killed easily but they get killed easily anyway, on top of a basic bitch rogue army rifle squad being able to suppress them at any time and distance.Meanwhile concealment maxxing = no deaths, no suppression, full damage output and accuracyIf you're armoring your guys instead of a cheap loadbearing rig/outcast rags + camo you're not playing optimally.
>>2345500Yea it's not going to get removed. It's fundamental to the game.
Been getting nothing but Marine SLs since the new update, which is a bit of a shame since I miss the banter between the Not!Wagner guy and the gay negro merc.
>>2345557i had that drop in my first operation.
>>2345873See that makes me think stars aren't tied to operation rewards, or it's only one factor, or the reward pool is completely fucked. This was my first operation on an expert run
best armament OCI? I just bought literally 3 laser turrets.best hull OCI? no idea.
>>2345875just get lucky, I guess. this has that Battle Brothersy feel where you get easy delivery quests with nice rewards. I remember some people even got laser rifles as early as their third operation.
>>2345534>do I bring a hammer for these nails>or do I bring every hammer I own, a socket set, some screwdrivers and a Dremel kit?I mean this is just a poor analogy
>>2345569Yes. Armies and soldiers routinely have limits placed upon their ability to bring things to a war. You do know this yes?
Has anyone done the math for best body armor to supply ratio yet? Feels like anything above soft armor isn't worth it.
>>2345722Yeah, rally is truly underrated
>>2345879AP mines are amazing I took two and a supply drop
Has anyone tried this on the steam deck?
>>2345891But that is not the thing in Menace. You dropship magically expand after each operation or expand/shrink based on mission conditions. Its just lazy way of balancing taken from tabletop skirmish mode. Instead of scale enemy to player force(like it was don in BB(there were caps)), you are forced to scale down to the enemy.Now, I am not against limits on what player can field but that can be done in different way. Currently you got same supply limit for every battle in operation(unless they are affected by mission conditions) which lead to boring and repetitive gameplay. The current system isn't great and it changed from demo and will probably change again based on feedback. Its EA, things need to be tested and modified if necessary. Personally I would go with supplies being currency(with some capacity being free or getting large discount and over capacity being soft limited by increased cost) with ability to upgrade dropship. Other option is to make supply cap based on operation instead on mission so player can take easier less demanding missions(like the stealthy one) to save for big battle. Different mission caps based on type of missions also could be considered. Heck, option to do a second run and drop reinforcements that are over the cap also would be nice. The other thing would be make operations longer with not only consisting of battle missions but also events and local shops and free loot.
>>2345906I do think supplies while they're relatively ok as a mechanic now, need to be expanded upon like you said. it's weird how almost everything else has been made into a commodity to be managed (promotion points, authority, OCI, squaddies) but not supplies
>>2345886Bringing your toolkit to the site is bringing all your dudes.Putting certain stuff in your kit based on what you think you'll need to do is changing the gear on your dudes.Being unable to put in your socket set because your screwdrivers are too valuable so you have to decide between socket set or screwdrivers is Menace. Or both but drop the hammer.It's not great but you're being intentionally retarded.Or since we keep comparing to tabletop gaming. It's like not taking a standard set of dice everywhere because it limits how many D6s you can bring.All the dice are in the bag just bring most of them. Don't gotta weigh up losing 2D6 to have a D20 in the bag.
Kissing Hayflick on the lips
>>2345891That limit works nothing like in Menace though. If we had a dropship weight to play around with / dropship capacity I really wouldn't be bothered. That would make more sense.Supply is too abstracted, it doesn't make sense when you try to understand what it represents and creates bad 'RP'.Supply is too cutthroat, you will be up against the limit all the time. Gear isn't really balanced by it's supply cost against eachother, it's seemingly arbitrary. And it gets fucky when we have to compare everything in one big pool.Supply makes new shit and upgrading your dudes more restricted. If they want to limit promotions give me less points or make it scale in cost more or something, don't just make me drop an ammo pouch or a guy in a weapon team just so I'm allowed to use my promotion points I earned.>but the game would be easyits already fucking easyMost other tactics games manage to not have supply, it isn't fixing the too easy problem.
>>2345879It's a tossup between laser turrets and AP mines for best weaponTurrets:Sometimes actually kills somethingCan control territoryProvide huge sightlinesGet focus fired by the entire enemy army as a #1 priority alwaysDownside: Only fires every other turn, can't hit SHITAP Mines:Drops mines into 3 different 3x3 tilesThe one thing on your force the AI can't cheat to seeAI beelines into Fog of War flanks because it cheats your vision, so just don't look at a flank or choke, but drop mines into it and then laugh when the cheating AI beelines its entire army into your minefieldsMines that fall on top of enemy infantry will immediately trigger so it works as a sort of airstrike tooDownside: Civilians, vehicles, and friendly infantry will trigger them; mines won't kill enemy infantry if you skip their movementI currently lean towards 2 turrets, 1 minefield but 3 minefields might be better considering how easy to kill and highly prioritized the turrets are; they rarely do more than die after 2 turns, even if I'm dropping them in the middle of my forces.
>>2345522>pirate mission or two for early gear>couple of bug missions>more pirate missions once you have salvage teams
>>2345851I really hate that you pay for a contract and it's just one guy meaning you don't get a real choice.
>>2345879Smoke is underrated, especially considering cost. It can fucking panic-save you in a way no other armament can.
>>2345879Turrets probably the best. Mines are second ones.>best hull OCIAI logistic and it not even close.
Does the game have indoor battles? Or plans for them?
The ARC does better damage, but the KPAC has range that allows you to suppress and advance without riskYou don't realize how much it matters until you're fighting the rogue army and the first unit to contact can't even shoot back, or can only get 1 shot off at 7 tile range doing tickle damage but gets a full suppression salvo in return from 5 different infantry permanently locking them down for the rest of the fight unless someone can save them.It doesn't matter if the damage sucks, what matters is it still applies suppression - and no amount of armor will save you against suppression.
>>2345926Kpac is shit aside cqb with hollow points.If you want range, you bring kbars.
>>2345925no and no
>>2345926Based mechanic understander>>2345927Kbar's suppression is literally nonexistent and is vital to anything beyond creeping at max range and taking ten years
>>2345927The 80AP attack on the crowbar is a point blank spray and not a full salvo suppression attack btw
>>2345923so how many? there are 4 hull slots. I have an EXWOO and an Advanced Medical Bay. 2 AI Logistics? or just get 4 anyway into late game?
>>2345922There's a lot of good ways to get smoke. The delayed call in on the smoke OCI is pretty problematic for it's use.There's probably some sick tricks with calling it in, then moving so it comes down just after you've poked out and covers you from retaliation. But I've never fucked with it enough to get that working.
>>2345926Step forward a tile.Shoot the ARC.Achieve more than a KPAC at range 8 would.Or use an MG.
>>2345923The +5% supply one could be better depending on how many vehicles you run.If vehicles are over 1/3rd of your points AI logistics is better.
>>2345937It's mostly just a panic button. Delayed call-in is less of a problem than it seems, it's relatively short meaning if you call it in early in the turn it'll usually arive over the turn end which means you aren't getting two-tapped by anything.There are a lot of ways to get smoke but it's something that gets a lot of inherent benefit from being able to be called in anywhere at 0AP.
>>2345936All 4.
>>2345939No, 5% always lose. Especially with current modules stacking.
Tried Infantry run and its kind of shit. Unless you go into camo.
>>2345932You no need suppression if you kill first retard.
>>2345943>5% always loseThis fucking general I swear.1000 supply1 vehicle costing 250 supply.AI logistics saves 15% of 250, 37ish supply.Autowhatsit increases 1000 by 5% which is 50.50>37>stackingIs it multiplicative or additive? Other modifiers are additive. So 2 AI would be 30%, to autowhatsits would be 10%. The numbers above stay the same no matter how many you stack, it depends on how many vehicles. If they're over a third of your points its better.
>>2345945Basically with current retarded taxes for stars, promo, squad size and cost of armor best solution is just casually run 5 mechs + scout infantry.
>>2345946You aren't actually killing anything beyond spitterbugs at range with a kbar
>>2345950And that's why its shit.
>>2345949You're not getting 5 casual mechs before EA ends.Postgame theorycrafting is mostly irrelevant
>>2345911>>2345916>>2345916I agree it could use some tweaking, maybe carryovers of a surplus, or consumables boosts for certain missions or something. But you clowns are literally just bitching about a mechanic that exists in almost every game in some form for another just to bitchAlso lol at whichever faggot on one hand argued this game needs to play more like battletech and be more like a tabletop game all last thread, and is now shitting on the supply system because it's a hold over from those same tabletop games. Fuck you guys are something else.
>>2345951...yes I broadly agree, so take an actual AR and suppress then enemy so you can actually advance and get something done.
>>2345948Play the game first you stupid fucking chromosome hoarder. I tired of your idiotic bullshit. If you so poor so can't buy it just get from torrent. 1. Supply bonus is bugged and add 5% only to basic value, i.e. 34 supply2. 4 AI logistic give effective 60% cost reduction, it mean med mech will cost not 700+ but 300.
>>2345952>You're not getting 5 casual mechs before EA ends.Your Jean for hunt RA's mechs anon?
>>2345950Regular human enemy need only 2 hits for death in most cases retard.
>>2345956Is this another one of those magical bugs that exists in your head?
>>2345961Play the game first you stupid fucking chromosome hoarder. I tired of your idiotic bullshit. If you so poor so can't buy it just get from torrent.
>>2345952Not him but if you fight RA you get plenty of light mechs.
>>2345956Didn't notice it was bugged, it adds 31 for me.Literally nothing I said is wrong if the game worked right, I don't know who you think I am or what the fuck is wrong with you. You could just say>game is bugged and it only adds 34 right nowand that would be the end of it, not retarded statements like 15% of X number is always bigger than 5% of Y number.Also if you had around 2000 supply you'd gain about the same with auto if it worked than you'd save on a 700 cost mech.Be more informative upfront next time you dumb nigger.
>>2345953You are such fucking obnoxious cunt. And not only that - you are also dumb. Just STFU and leave if you have nothing worthy to say.
>>2345953>But you clowns are literally just bitching about a mechanic that exists in almost every game in some form for another just to bitchName them.
>>2345964You retard start with calcing 15% of 250.There fucking no 250 supply vehicle battle build aside Bog in pirate truck with cheapest shit instead of weapon. It alone said me that results were rigged. Blame yourself for poor math.
>>2345938So basically it's like this: If you want a supply efficient low cost squad, you want KPAC's, an ammo bag, and anything up to level 2 armor.It's a basic line infantry weapon, it's not to go on specialized units.ARC requires more investment than that - you need more mobility and more armor and something to get rid of suppression. It's good if you're in thick fighting but it's not good for initial contact. You need to create an opportunity to use the ARC.>>2345948The 5% OCI module is bugged, or retarded. It only shaves off 5% of your starting supply. If you start on normal you start with 800 supply and the module only saves you 40 supply. Forever. For the rest of the game. It doesn't change when your supply increases. Throw on the fact that vehicles are point for point more cost efficient than infantry because of how retarded expensive infantry body armor is, and there's no reason to ever touch the 5% module.What I'm actually wondering is when/where salvage teams beats fixer for selling shit on the black market. I'd guess the best combo is 1 salvage teams and then stacked fixer after that.
>>2345969Does the AI bonus reduce whole unit cost including weapons and attachments or just the vehicle?
>>2345973Yes.
>>2345974Thank helped a lot. Muchos gracias. May you taco be always to salty.
>>2345962>seething this hardCalm down sperg lol.
>>2345969>poor mathIt's called a fucking example. What number do you want? It doesn't matter. Presuming the bug does not exist the rule is AI is better than auto if more than 1/3rd of your supply is vehicles.450 cost vehicles total? Save 67.5, better off with auto if you have above 1350 supply.567? auto better above 1701 supply.Bog in a 416 car doing a backflip in a spherical vacuum while the black redhead bitch is in a 285 supply car doing donuts? Better off with auto at above 2103.How the actual fuck can you not understand the idea of an example and a formula?>>2345973Entire unit.
>>2345948AI Logistics is additive. You get the full value for each one.If I remove the AI Logistics she goes up to 620.Full promoted Rewa in medium tank with long tank gun, nade launcher & 2 ammo only costs 620 to deploy with no supply reductions.With 3 AI Logistics that goes down to 340.
>>2345979That is cheap. Balance suck in this game.
>>2345979Makes sense.Vehicles are generally very strong for their supply cost already, so I presume basically everyone is running enough of them that AI logistics is better.But there are edge cases where people might play very infantry heavy where auto would be better if it wasn't bugged.
>>2345977> >>2345962
>this game is being played by people that cannot do basic multiplication>they cannot comprehend a hypothetical>even they think the game is too easyGrim.
>>2345980>Bro the balance in this game sucks when you hyper minmax into one specific thing that leaves you up shit creek if you deviate from one specific strategy
i enjoy fighting the menace because i actually run short on ammo sometimes and need to prioritize using the optimal weapon against the right enemy
>>2345985Vehicles spam > infantry spam even without discount for vehicles And there is no similar discount for infantry Why you act like dumb wanker for no reason?
>>2345986Odd take but I'm glad you enjoy them anon. I think they should still be less tanky since they're basically always perma stunlocked so there's no reason for them to eat so much damage.
>>2345931Gay.
>>2345987I bet this is the same guy who deny running ai issue.
>>2345989Yeah I think that's the real problem. They're not so engaging to fight, because the only truly threatening units are the SMASHED and SLAMMED ones that snipe you. Everything else is a bullet sponge that feels slightly opposed to the game's core design itself, which is all about cat-and-mouse positioning. MENACE in their current state do present a challenge, but it's a "how do I get through this enormous pile of shit?" challenge while every other faction is "how do I surgically remove one specific unit from my enemy at a time while not getting killed?" There's value in testing the player's ability to handle dwindling resources and long operations, I actually don't want that gone, but there has to be a better way to make that happen than pinging away at stunlocked soldiers which regenerate every round.
>>2345967You niggers aren't even saying anything. Just day in day out bitching endlessly about every mechanic, inventing bugs, "the game is out to get me and the Devs are all German psyops" like holy shit this fucking general is a dumpster fire. /v/ has more stable takes on this game right now lol>>2345968>I've never played a game with an arbitrary unit or equipment cap beforeWhy are you even talking>keeps saying this game should be more like tabletop when it suits him>bitches it's too much like tabletop when it doesn'tfuck off, holy shit lol
How do people manage to have fun fighting bugs, tell me your secrets
>>2345998Nobody has fun playing this game apparently
>>2346001I enjoy fighting pirates and rogue army, if this game was fighting bugs and menace I would not play it at all
>>2345998Alpha strike bombardier/blaster before they hit you.Bring 2 AT for queen and kill her before she take her turn.The rest is pretty easy?
>>2345997>>keeps saying this game should be more like tabletop when it suits him>>bitches it's too much like tabletop when it doesn'tNever said that.>>I've never played a game with an arbitrary unit or equipment cap before>Why are you even talkingstart naming them, its in almost every game so it shouldn't be hard
>>2345997Fuck off wanker. This thread is only shit because you are shitting in it you fucking mentally challenged lunatic. >he can't even name single game with same supply mechanic Fucking mouth breathing retard
>>2346006>I want you to prove to me the earth is round>if you don't it means it's flatnah, go play literally any other game and find out how stupid you are on your own time
>>2346007
>>2346009Don't even bother responding to them. They're blatant ESL retards doing their damnedest to shit up the thread.
>>2346010
The real menace are the rivals we made along the way
>>2346009Suck a dick
>>2346007>>2346009>persistent unit pools between missions that you can never bring the entirety of to any particular mission for no real reasonOff the top of my head every Eugen and Close Combat game. I now await your goalpost moving about how since they don't use the exact literal UI elements to display this to you it isn't the same and this invalid.
>>2345989they feel like a real final boss.pirates and aliens introduce you to the basic mechanics, then rogue army comes along and hammers all your mistakes, you really have to apply what you know. Eventually you get them figured out and you are a well oiled machine and just when your feeling confident you get the menace, which is an attrition faction, its not enough to be fancy like with RA, which you can beat by just moving properly and winging it, with the menace you actually have to plan properly and its very possible to lose just because you decided not to conserve resources.
>>2346015this is invalid and you are wrong, also you are fucking retarded
>>2346011No go fuck yourself, name a fucking game.>>2346009>he can't name a single one of almost every gameBaldurs Gate, Total War and XCOM which came up in previous discussion have no points limit in a campaign. Total War has it for multiplayer versus only.Chaos Gate original doesn't, I don't think new does either.MechWarrior has a tonnage limit but it's not very equivelant as tonnage just comes from mech frame, swapping for better weapons doesn't effect it and tonnage limit is almost always higher than you can fit in.Battlebrothers doesn't.Door Kickers doesn't.Mount and Blade doesn't.Syrian Warfare does, but veterancy doesn't effect it it's just a flat cost for any given unit so you're encouraged to preserve veteran units.The way supply works in menace really isn't common in games with some kind of campaign improvement. There might be a limit on units you can take or what have you, but costing everything and limiting you just on that is pretty uncommon.>>2346015I haven't played those much, are you limited in campaign gamemodes or just by the in game points trickle?I feel like I remember in Steel Div 2 you can bring any number of units into a battle in it's campaign mode by having them involved on the campaign map.
>>2346020>Steel Div 2You can bring any number of units into a battle in a campaign, resource trickle limits their deployment rate but that's it. Most units cost 1, could pull every unit possible into one battle if you wanted.Works nothing like supply at all.
>>2346015>every EugenEugen's games have decks that cost more than initial points, but you get points during playtime.Not played CC but i bet you're wrong with this example too.Aside tabletop and pvp there no games that apply strict points limit on player.And even in tabletop pvp ports like Mordheim AI will resize his army to your.
>>2346018Figures >>2346020>no points limitsStill arbitraty unit limits on all of those>>2346025>unit income at phases doesn't put a limit on how many units you can bringyou disingenuous faggot>>2346029>you get more pointsNever enough to bring the whole deck>not played a game but I bet you're wrongI expected no less from a faggot such as you>tabletop games have no strict points limitslol lmaoMinor points aside it's funny how you faggots moved the goalposts even more than I expected>supplies make no sense cuz the dropship does change size or whatever autism doesn't let you form proper abstractions in a gamenigger, no commanderhas ever said "you have 20 available tanks but can only bring 2 for now". In baldurs gate there's no reason to only bring 6 people to fight a dragon and let 4 sit in a tavern. YW only allowing me to bring 20 units, regardless of size or strength is just playing retarded. No amount of coping and seething changes the fact that every fucking game stops you from bringing every available resource to every available mission or level. The fact you retards are seething this hard only tells me you're either so fucking stupid it defies description, or so fucking dishonest it might as well be stupidity.
>>2346035>Never enough to bring the whole deckDepend of settings and game lenght retard>>Aside tabletop and pvp>tabletop games have no strict points limitsGo eat shit mongoloid.
>>2346037>don't worry captain, if the battle goes on long enough I'll let you deploy all your men and not just a few of them every 10 minutes-every general in WW2 according to (you)>tabletop comparisons only matter when I want it toNah get fucked. back to this user
The supply system wouldn't be half as bad without promotion tax and if the AI was actually balanced along with the player in terms of supply and cost. The problem is they went with a tabletop inspired system for the player, but a pure video gamey system for the opponent. So they can get 5 6 man squads with high tier armor and laser rifles along with 4 walker along with the rest of the army while the player can basically bring 1 walker and 2 infantry teams in the same mission.
>>2346040I'm sure they simply get a multiplier of your max available points. I'm sure that's a little complicated for the people in this thread, but that's a problem for the Overhype Psyops division to worry about
>>2346035I don't know if you're actually retarded or can't understand why a game that gives you new items or weapons but also punishes you for not taking "optimal" ones is a bad thing. When players get a new item they want to be able to use it. In X-com, Jagged Alliance, Commandos, etc, if you find a rare piece of equipment you get to use it immediately. Sure it might be limited in some way like ammo availability or price to use, but it's not an actual weight on your team if you decided to field it.People aren't asking for every limiting feature to be removed, it's important for limits to exist. But they have to make sense and let the players have fun. If you get an early Silver weapon in Fire Emblem you can use that to punch above your level, but it's also a limited resource. As it stands now a lot of armor in Menace isn't a limited resource, it's just a waste of points.
>>2346035>starcraftNo general, I know we're fighting for the future of the galaxy but you already built your unit cap so sorry>TWNo general, I understand you have 40 knights in reserve, but those 4 peasants over here mean you can't bring any more units to this battle>Close combatYes I know we have 21 mortar teams in reserve but you already got a bazooka so ya know>Baldurs GateListen lads, I know we're fighting a god tomorrow but I can only bring 5 of you, the rest need to sit here and watch the tavern and hang out>EugenSoldier you can bring one tank to the battle every 3 minutes, or one infantry team. No I don't care how many are available.All of these are fine apparently>the dropship hasn't changed sizes which means if you bring twice as many men you won't have room for that autocannonREEEEEEE WTF WHY IS THIS GAME SUCH SHITLiterally the only thing in the entire supply system that you could argue is silly is the promotion tax. The rest actually makes more sense than most of those other abstractions in other games.
>>2346044I don't understand why you're struggling so hard with the idea of having to make a sacrifice here to make a gain there.>but this game let's you get an item blah blahthe progression system here literally let's you get absolutely endgame weapons in the first mission. Fire Emblem literally won't even let you have a silver weapon until it decides you get one, and there's nothing you can do about it. Stop being retarded and dishonest.>People aren't asking for every limiting feature to be removed, it's important for limits to exist.Perhaps you should tell "people" that then.
>>2346044He's actually retarded mongoloid who even not play the game but come here with shitposting and trolling.I think best solution is ignore any his denies and whimpers.
>>2346048>I don't understand why you're struggling so hard with the idea of having to make a sacrifice here to make a gain there.Because this is a campaign based PVE game and people want a sense of progression, and being handed something new but the game going "NUH UH-UH, you can't use that!" is ridiculous. Even hard squad limits would be preferable.>the progression system here literally let's you get absolutely endgame weapons in the first missionThen that's an issue with the progression system. Or not, because you'll never get a medium mech from the first mission. I'm not being dishonest at all, since you'll never be buying armor from the store outside of camo or soft armor, at any point in the campaign. Can you say the same about a silver sword?
>>2346042My understanding is they don't actually. Challenging and up is just 1:1 they get the same supply as you do, normal is 20% less. Their shit is just cheaper than ours.
>>2346051>I feel this thing so you can'tSorry about your autism>Then that's an issue with the progression system. Or not, because you'll never get a medium mech from the first missionThat's not the only piece of endgame kit>can you say the same about a silver swordYes. I can safely say you will never buy a silver sword from a store where the game doesn't have a store, or when it doesn't sell a silver sword. It's very curious, and somewhat telling, that you're trying to use the incredibly linear and locked progression of a FE game as your comparison here.
>>2346053100% is a multiplier. My point is that the AI unit limit is going to definitely be points based and its going to be in some what related to your points. The units being cheaper just means they'll get more, but obviously the supply system is how they balance the enemy team against yours.
>>2346055It's literally how difficult work>easy 0.8>normal 1>hard 1.4
>>2346051>Even hard squad limits would be preferable.What a shit take. I would much rather be able to fluctuate within an assigned points limit that be told "you can have no more than X squads so you better max then all out as much as you can"
>>2346054>Yes. I can safely say you will never buy a silver sword from a store where the game doesn't have a store, or when it doesn't sell a silver sword. Good job on completely ignoring my question to make this absolutely inane statement. As if linearity somehow changes the hypothetical. We could make this about battletech. If a shop is selling a rare mech and I can afford it, I will buy it, and I won't be punished for fielding it.I shan't be replying anymore.
>>2346056Are you speaking a different language than me?
>>2346059>I shan't be replying anymore.Promise?
>>2346059>ignore every other point to hyper focus on a stupid comparison that doesn't even make sense >leavesLeast dishonest /vst/ poster
>>2346055>The units being cheaper just means they'll get moreRight, but that's my point. Yes they use the "Supply system" like we do, but their stuff is significantly cheaper so you're outnumbered ~5:1 vs opponents that are about 75% the strength to your units.
>>2346066Which checks out. I'm sure exact numbers and ratios can use some tweaking but the fundamentals of the system makes perfect sense to me.
>>2346066are their units really that powerful individually?i think our guys are much more robust. they tend to field a lot of stuff thats like 9 guys with pirate pipe guns and maybe a grenade.The real imbalance is the same one all these kinds of games have where you are expected to fight through many battles and so even a small loss in the course of churning through endless hordes of enemies is a small loss.The ai only needs to hurt you to ruin your day and sap your momentum so down the line you lose, so it can rush you with underdeveloped conscripts
>>2346069I really wish they would just implement a system that any points you don't use you can carry to the next battle. I feel this would solve 96% of the current systems issuesIf you think you can get away with using less than you need you can then bank for when you think you need/want more. This will also allow for the big explosive matches where you can just break out every tool you have, but without trivializing the game at large, or making it too routine to bring all your most fancy shit. It would also make intelligence far more valuable since being able to know exactly what you're facing will allow for more accurate risk assessments and mission planning, which plays into this system.
>>2345998Crowbars delete mostly everythingif not Crowbars then the Crocodile/RPGif not those then the miniguns/autocannons/AGL
>>2345998Heavy use of autocannons and wardogs
>>2346069>are their units really that powerful individually?They are.Scavenger squad 8 models.Assault rifle cost 10, scavenger suit cost 15, so 200. + 25 for rpg, +10 or 15 for nade, it's ~235 points for loadout.Boarding commando 4 models.Pdw 13, armor 75, 10 or 15 for nade. It's ~365 for loadout.And on top of this we taxed for leader and squaddies, idk is ai taxed for squaddies.
>>2346070To add this would also allow for the AI to have different limits from mission to mission and create more variety to the matches>do I burn through all my points now on this or save them just in case the AI brings a really strong team next match>oh this team is really weak this time, but if I bring a strong force I may be able to get more side objectives done>I'm running low on manpower but can compensate by maxing out my supply and making it less likely to take less casualties for a few missionsSo many other mechanics could be expanded or even outright created by doing something like this
I quite enjoy this game. Anyone have any builds for Ivey I can borrow? I'm not sure what to do with her.
>>2346077It's your heavy vehicle weapon dedicated user. Give her long gun or twin griffins.
>>2346069Well, look at RA infantry. They have 6 guys with crowbars, SIPV, 10 HP per model, and frags, smoke and AT grenades. Even if they don't have any modifiers to damage received or defense like our guys do, that's easily a unit that's 75% the strength of your guys. Later in the game you can go up against teams of 3-4 storm troopers plus 2 SOF guys in a 20 unit assault.
>>2346081And yet I can kill them all and lose maybe one or two squaddies. Obviously most of us are smarter than the AI so it needs some handicaps
>>2346082It's a matter of AI being dumb yes. But the fact of the matter is the AI easily has units nearly as strong as we do, just in 5x the number. Which is probably why the supply system can feel bad for some people. Getting one slight upgrade, like armor, can really hurt the amount of guys you can use when the AI is able to field the same thing but in 4x the number.
>>2346086That's fair, I don't think anyone is arguing the systems could use some tweaks.
>>2346035You are still wrong and retarded.Thanks for proving me right.
What are the lore implications of Exconde literally being sent divine protection?>the major when Lieutenant Hayflick has a mental breakdown after another half-dozen top attack ATGMs fail to detonate after impacting Exconde's APC
they should just tie the supply cap to ship upgrade level and call it logistics or something and then it would make rational sense and people would stop complaining about it
>>2346092Whatever you say Rajesh
>>2346097>jeets still live rent free in his headI accept your concession.
>>2346098>no u yet againFuck off holy shit lol. Everyone is having a good discussion about the mechanics in question except your retarded ass.
>>2346099Not thanks to you. Now eat shit like you always do and fuck off again.
>>2346100
>>2346106
we cannot all get along
>>2346109
ive never used a grenadei find carrying extra ammo/ammo modifiers/stealth kits/one time use at rocket is way more importanti also dont use smoke because it just seems to screw me up, my entire strategy is keep range and suppress everything smoke seems really niche. i do keep some stocked oncase i have to do that break out mission but ive never encountered it in release so far
>>2346138Never used nades too. I use smokes but with light mortar vs RA and menace.
>>2346138Smoke grenades are good. They can save a squad that's been caught in a bad situation. It's nice to always bring one smoke to the battle just in case.
>>2344536Hayflick owes me baby making sex (I am a blond Major)
>>2346138the black guy can nade at 5 squares rather than 3if anyone is in lvl2 cover u can supress the entire squad and take them out of turn order.thermite AT also do insane damage even when front armor direction.
TCR medical care is some next level stuff.
>early game>Lim in pajamas and armed with shotguns>he gets suppressed>just enough AP to return fire, terrible accuracy but I gotta get what shots off I can>his squad manages to kill two of its own squaddies with terrible shotsI had no idea accuracy could get so bad they can shoot each other in the fucking back goddamn
I'm calling it now they're gonna nerf AI logistics to be non cumulative with multiple ones
>>2345997>You niggers aren't even saying anything. Just day in day out bitching endlessly about every mechanic, inventing bugs, "the game is out to get me and the Devs are all German psyops" like holy shit this fucking general is a dumpster fire.It's unironical vatniks
>>2346279>It's unironical vatniksthat is the weirdest spin I heard off, top schizoid
>>2346138>ive never used a grenadeThe problem isn't just the range and the fact that the current meta incentivizes long range engagements..The real problem is the fact grenades CAN MISS
>>2346274Rewa looked way worse than that.
>>2346283it also cost supplies and take accessory spaceits usually not worth taking it over extra ammo, camo, binos or drones
LIKEABILITY TIER LIST>Buggerinos tierBog>Company pet tierCardaGOD TIERDarby, PikeHigh tierRewa, Ivey, TechMid tierLim, Jean Sy, WetterothLow tierExconde, Sachin, YazBottom tierVamplew, Greifinger, Achilleas
>>2346287>High tierBog, Yaz, Marta>Mid tierall the rest>Low tierboth niggas, Sy>Bottom tierjeeta and jeet
Hoorah marine!
It's kind of silly how the game keeps giving you "destroy less than X% of enemy forces" secondaries and then spawns them in a way that basically forces a direct pitched battle over the objective.
codychads run this genny
>>2346296Those are by far the easiest missionsLiterally just make a path with smoke
they really need to balance all rifles, almost all of them are just a side grade to default rifle.crowbar is the only good rifle and even beat some 120supply late game guns.not a single one of the others have good pen or hitpts dmg compared to same range. none have better close range damage either.make one rifle have 18hp dmg at range 5-7also the bullets are pointless, why bring AP mags when any rpg is leagues better u still at best only do 50 piercing.range ammo makes itself useless with 2acc dropoff per tile so if u shoot someone at range 10 its -20 acc wtf
>>2346301>they really need to balance all rifles, almost all of them are just a side grade to default rifle.Sure, if you shoot at medium-long range, but:The battle rifles are straight up better at the medium-long rangeThe other ones are vastly superior at closer rangesAll of them cause much more suppression
>>2346296I save them until I have the ion cannon>Ion down the outpost>Darby solo-sneaks through, guns down the officer>grab the pickup if nothing is sitting on it>extract
Why the fuck does Menace cause so much morale damage when shooting?
>>2346319Oooo spooky cyberzombies
>>2346303Arguably even then the battle rifles are better at 4-5 tiles. Because killing enemies still inflicts plenty of suppression, and the BR has greater pen, HP damage and armor damage the closer you are. The accuracy fall off for being close is less of an issue with decent shooters or if you have some secondary increase to final shot accuracy like Kody's +20% on healthy targets or Vamplew's +30% on people in the open.
Any reason to get this over xenonaunts or uh…man there really aren’t many games like this huh.
>>2346332guns sound a lot better than xenonautsthis may not seem important but the 'feel' of the weaponry is actually super important for a game like thismultiple factions to fightbanter between units if that's your thing, tekker
>>2346332Xenonauts 1 is goatedxenonauts 2 is just a mild reskin in development hell
>>2346332hell no, playing this made me wish I was playing xenonauts
>>2345560desu a good set of 3rd gen nvgs can cost about half as much as a new car.
>>2346346Speaking of NVGs, if you're not using them during night missions you're really missing out on a LOTLike, the thing that increases accuracy by just 10% costs 20 supplies to equip.Meanwhile night causes you're units a 25% accuracy debuff, -2 vision and detection, it's a massive debuff you can resolve for just 10 suppliesalso selecting a unit with NVG on gives a cool night vision effect
>>2346094The complaint is not a limiting system existing or what it's called.It's that it encompasses everything you put on guys and limits your use of your earned resources.In a campaign type game most people don't want to finagle around a points limit going trading out things to equip the cool gear piece they just unlocked, and no campaign game is actually doing that to you like that.I'd rather have a limit on deployed personnel. IE you can only deploy 30 squaddies, so you can have as many SLs as you want and gear them as you'd like but can only hit that number. I know squaddies already theoretically works like that but in game right now squaddies are infinite I've never run out or hit my cap.
I like the point system because it makes me juggle different types of loadouts and gives a clear incentive to bring out weaker but cheaper gear.
>>2346363Good thing you're not in charge of the games development then
>>2346363>In a campaign type game most people don't want to finagle around a points limit going trading out things to equip the cool gear piece they just unlockedExcept other games don't allow you to find lategame items from the start of the game, you're being obtuse.Either you sacrifice randomness and gatekeep progression or you limit in other ways, this is one of those ways and I much prefer the diversity of having something like a game changing item dropping from early on in the campaign than having to go through the permutations every time like literally every other game.Oh I guess what I'm gonna do this XCOM campaign? Oh yeah, research laser and plasma weapons.
>>2346368I mean we have people who unironically would rather have the game treat items like in Fire Emblem of all things. Pretty sure obtuse doesn't even begin to cover it
the difficulty spikes fighting menace first time is insane
>>2346301Arc have literally the same damage profile retard.
>>2346378It gets much easier once you realize they don't have any tricks up their sleeves, they are just big stat sticksexcept skirmishers, fuck them
>>2346379>ARC has the same damage profileBut that's not even true, they share armor damage but penetration and damage fall off makes them perform very differently at range.>ARC does 12 HP damage, 13 Armor damage and has 20 pen>Crowbar has 11 HP damage, 13 armor damage and 35 pen
>>2346368Who care about lategame when you can't equip current drop from enemies you stupid chromosome hoarder.If you talk about xcom as example, then it would be a choice between laser rifle, any armor/trinkets or promo for soldier - while actually in xcom you can have all 3 instead of choose one.
>>2346383>Who care about lategame Bro what the fuck does that have anything to do about what I said, I read this shit and I immediately understand you lack the capability to understand what people are telling you, like I didn't even want to finish reading your post.You are honestly an unironical dumbfuck
>>2346382> penetration and damage fall off makes them perform very differently at rangeTell me more about damage faloff. With ingame screens ofc.And arc trade lower pen for 50% more bullet, so vs 30 armor enemies arc actually do more damage. Maybe also do more vs 40 but need to check.
>>2346383You need better insults>in xcomgo play xcom then
>>2346385>hurr durrOkay
>>2346387> >>2346388
>>2346368>Except other games don't allow you to find lategame items from the start of the game, you're being obtuse.Then remove lategame items dropping early if thats a problem. Not that hard.>what am I gonna do this game, upgrade?Yes thats the point.
>>2346390>Then remove lategame items dropping early if thats a problem. Not that hard.Why? So you can make the game play like literally everything else?This is the vision for the game, don't like it use cheats or fuck off somewhere else.
>>2346390Not sure you realize no one agrees with you, you're a tourist and a casual
>>2346391I was told literally every game works like this though.>vision for the gameIt's early access and shit can change, if you like this whatever, but stop having a crying fit when other people don't.
>>2346390>remove all the super fancy items from the loot pool so you can change the supply system to allow me to bring all my super fancy items that I don't have anymoreDo you even know what the fuck it is you want anymore?
>>2346394Jesus christ will you fuck off
I find it funny that when I go check the mods for this game the cheat mod is like one of the least downloaded one, but the ones that give more loot are all the most downloaded. Seems way way more people just want to play the game than they do remove the supply system.
>>2346386>>2346386Against a 40 armour enemy at 4 tiles ARC has a 46% pen chance and deals 8.8 damage.KPAC has a 66% pen chance and deals 5.8 damage.Scaled by pen chance arc is at 4 damage, KPAC is at 3.8 damage. ARC will increase at a faster rate than the KPAC as it strips armour quicker.
>>2346378>the difficulty spikes fighting menace first time is insane*the diffuculty spike fighting skirmisher first time is insane
>>2346399>*the diffuculty spike fighting skirmisher first time is insaneSkirmishers are honestly the main reason I get intel OCIBecause God knows getting surprised by those fuckers is the worst thing that can happen in this game
>>2346397Brainless power fantasies get boring very quickly.
>>2346395IF getting a late game item as a mission drop from an early mission breaks the game move those drops so they can't happen till later.Retard.>Do you even know what the fuck it is you want anymore?I've always wanted the same thing but you have to believe that everyone who says anything you could construe as disagreeing with you is one person.
>>2346402>it breaks the game>this isn't an intended feature of the game, balanced by the need to pick and choose what you can bring>you think everyone disagreeing with you is one personIronic considering you're doing that exact thing now isn't it?
>>2346393Unfortunately I'm stuck here forever.
>>2346402FUCK OFF FUCKING MONGOLOID CASUAL
loot tables are so shit, u just get garbage from everyone but rogue army, bugs menace at best give like 40 barter with junk.I can get like 2000 in value from one mission on rogue army
Failing the entire mission because one group of civilians died is absolutely bullshit and not getting any loot at all despite completely wiping the Menace from the field in the process of rescuing the other three groups is even more bullshit.
>>2346403OK clarify what you're trying to say.I have no issue with some factors that encourage you to deploy without maxxed squaddies on every squad, or tailor what your SLs are bringing to the mission.I don't like supply encompassing everything. If I get as a drop a better variant of the crowbar, I'd like to just use it, not contemplate if 9 guys with a basic crowbar is better than 7 guys with crowbar plus. It's too much treading water for my taste. Is buying this promotion worth losing my frag grenades, etc.I think these are meaningless choices that filter out a lot of gear to be under utilised. The game obviously wants to get harder as it goes along, so we should get stronger as it goes along.Picking and choosing what to have is not dependent on the current supply system.
>>2346398>8.8 damage.>5.8 damage.Explain your math here. Ingame we can see that both weps have 50% faloff at 7 range.Also>46% pen>66% pen Explain those too.
>>2346410Now with the screenshot of the right mission, whoops. There should absolutely be partial success states for things like this, a whole operation getting junked because one small group of civilians died is really stupid when in other missions like the saboteur ones civilians can die by the truckload and the game doesn't care.
>>2346408Rogue army are the most "consistent", but pirates are the only ones that can actually give you the top tier stuff.They just have a lot of trash in their tables making dropping the top tier all that more luck based.Also Menace drop are meant to enable lategame research, it's just not in the EA yet
>>2346414If I respond genuinely and open the game to post results are you going to spazz out like what some people did last time this happened or actually learn something?
>>2346413>ok clarifyno fuck you, you acted like a dumb cunt 65 posts in a row. Now you're gonna be treated like one, stupid dishonest prick.Not even gonna read the rest of your incoherent babble
the price is so steep is it it even worth it? its like the cost of 5 light or apc, is the supply the same as the cost?
>>2346410>>2346415I installed the smoke OCI just for these missions, I drop it on the civisies on the very first turn to cover them while my dudes reach the enemy
>>2346417>i can't explain my mathOk.
>>2346418>he thinks we're all one person againok grandpa, back to the home
>>2346419Yeah the medium mech is worth it for sure, being able to twin link mediums is pretty goodYou can lower supply with ship upgrades to the point it doesn't matter
>>2346422There's like 4 people I argue with and that statement is equally true for the lot of ya don't give a shit which particular nigger you are this time.
>>2346419380 supply for ifv and med mech.Mech worth it since double med slots.Ifv not.
>>2346422>weI refuse to believe there's other people as fucking dumb as you
>>2346415Why not just pick up civvies after all bad guys are dead?
>>2346421Damage loss is 0.8 per tile per dev diary #11, this is easily reproducable.See here:>>2341821>>2341827>>2341833
>>2346426Some people in here don't know that 250 vs 1000 and 500 vs 2000 is the same ratio.
>>2346428>Damage loss is 0.8 per tileIt isn't pure value and it's percent value.Go away with your outdated and simplified diaries.
>>2346430Post proofs. All the posted trials align with 0.8 per tile not a %.
>>2346419IFV has enough armor to avoid instantly getting obliterated by menace skirmishers from the fog of war or by an ATGM that got past the ERA.Medium walker has 2 medium slots
>>2346431With your math range kpac with match ammo and Darby's additional range should do 9-(0.8x12) = -0.6 dmg, negative dmg.
>>2346435Yes.It likely has a minimum damage value, I don't know what that is.
>>2346437No, there no minimal damage value.Also with 0.8 dmg faloff Darby should obliterate enemies with ppp on range 7, since 12 - 6.2 = 5.8, 2 hits to kill.But in fact on 7 range ppp can barely scratch enemies since it have very huge dmg faloff.
>>2346398Well this is a bit variable isn't it? since I know you don't deal as much armor damage if you do pen. And pen and armor damage also falls off; but I assume you accounted for that already. Theoretically one weapon can win out over the other in terms of armor damage depending on how the luck swings.
>>2346440Not him, but there's still armor to contend with. Armor damage and pen fall off with range as well. According to devlog 11, it's -0.6 per tile for armor damage and -1.8 per tile of distance. So at 7 tiles the 9 armor damage and 15 pen is reduced to 4.8 dmg and 2.4 pen respectively. Even the t-shirt will have some chance of stopping that damage. And according to the code, healthy armor reduces the amount of damage that gets through down to a minimum of 30%. Not accounting for the unit's personal DR and any bonuses from cover/being deployed.
>>2344620Autocannon mobile infantry. Have Bog drop her and her squad off at a strongpoint and then just lock it down. If need be, Bog can be the strongpoint and provide medium cover anywhere due to the MI trait providing extra cover from vehicles.
>>2346456>autocannon Cringe
>>2346416>pirates are the only ones that can actually give you the top tier stuff.What do they have for example? Have yet to get anything better than boarding suits and PDWs so I wrote them of as worthless for loot.
>>2346287What's your problem with Achilleas?
>>2346408Not only that but RA is the most fun faction to fight, RNG punishes you constantly with shittier gameplay and worse loot
>>2346287This is a serious contender for the worst tier list I've ever seen on 4chan.
>>2346474NTA but you can get laser lances from them as well. Their trucks are also useful for deploying medium weapon fire support on the cheap.
Bugs kinda boring to fight ngl.
>>2346487He's lame with the whole spartan roleplay
>>2346502In terms of fun I would rank them like this1.RA2.Pirates3.Bugs4.Menace
>>2346511So you like Ivey over Yaz, Achilleas, and Exconde? I think you're baiting
>>2346502double the amount of trash mobs and remove the insane range of bile mortar bug or worsen accuracyat what point in the game do u get more supply to bring better gear.how do u know what heavy weapon disables the crew for apc?
>>2346487Expensive for what he does.Rewa is feels generally stronger.
>>2346448This is not matter.We talk not about patrial pen but about his numbers for hp dmg.
>>2346516I don't think there's any reason for Rewa to exist, Achilleas is a better duelist pilot, Ivey is cheap and the most accurate with someone marking for her, Exconde can magically survive attacks and is very fast in an APC, Bog is extra cheap. Also that's a 'likeability' tier list, not a usability
>>2346513I'm baiting because I like a soldier over caricatures of a russian war criminal, some spartan larper and a some stereotypical latino christian?
>>2346524Yes
>>2346524Yes, Ivey has nothing going on to make her more likable than those three, she's very generic
>>2346518Partial pen also affects HP damage. So it absolutely does matter. Especially when also accounting for damage fall off.
>>2346538>guy have wrong math with pure hp dmg>hurr durr there patrial penAre you that retarded?
>>2346331>Arguably even then the battle rifles are better at 4-5 tiles.This is an impressive level of delusion.No, the difference between 35 AP and 30 AP is not that large. Hell, the difference between 35 AP and 20 AP is not that large either when one blocked shot shreds enough armor to make up that difference.The BR's total damage output is just too pitiful to make up the damage up close, even before making up for the accuracy penalty. The upgraded Crowbars are very good but the base Crowbar is probably the rifle that stays the least relevant.
>>2346523Berserk + her ability not requiring her being damage. Her ability to absolutely chew through enemies in an autocannon mech is unmatched. Especially against bugs or against menace with a heavy mech with double autocannons. You WILL get functionally infinite accuracy with her within turns.
>>2346553SLs that take turns to come online aren't very good for turn-limit based side objectives
>>2346554She exists before the buff as well; she's getting that buff by killing things. Achillaes' equivalent also takes turns to come online but involves him being hurt.
>>2346556If you don't have a repairbay then damage carries between missions, useful for early-game as long as you don't eat any defects. I don't micro-manage it but it'd be easy to maintain some level of damage with his shieldwall perk. Achilleas doesn't need the extra AP, it's just a bonus
>>2346515>at what point in the game do u get more supply to bring better gear.It increases gradually.>how do u know what heavy weapon disables the crew for apc?It's not documented, but equipping any heavy weapon on the APC disables the passenger compartment
>>2346559A lot of effort and risk compared to a character that can just jetpack and blast two bugs naturally
>>2346569>effortYou don't have to manage it, you just get free AP>riskShieldwall always procs, there is no risk. Also there is no risk fighting bugs in general
>>2346571>You don't have to manage it, you just get free APYou need lower health>Shieldwall always procs, there is no risk.Being at full health also always procs
>>2346572Alright, if you want to use Rewa to clear chaff epic style then yeah berserk is okay. I don't know why you'd want a vehicle to be doing that but whatever. If I had to pick one pilot to use on expert ironman it'd be literally any of the others
>>2346573>ChaffThe most dangerous targets are also the most vulnerable to jetpack > autocannon. Skirmishers or Blaster Bugs in particular. Rewa is simply the best at jetpack > autocannon because berserk is very very good in that instance and reliably lets you get multiple shots off
>>2346575You don't get to attack twice unless you proc berserk though? Achilleas can also jetpack and oneshot Skirmishers and blaster bugs with twin AC, he's actually better at it due to his accuracy
>>2346576>You don't get to attack twice unless you proc berserk though?Yeah so you proc berserk. By killing things. Single autocannon will reliably kill blaster bugs and twin will reliably kill skirmishers.>he's actually better at it due to his accuracyFor most of the round he will have worse accuracy. No, the fact that it has to come online does not invalidate this fact unless you're just fucking around and not killing anything with your vehicle for some reason.This isn't some niche possibility, this is reliable and happens constantly. Achilleas has his role but Rewa is simply the best at this very strong tactic and is also cheaper. See this webm from last thread.
>>2346579Huh that's actually pretty good, she might need a nerf considering she's a two-star
This is pretty lucky rescue rate for the damaged med bay. One too many bombardier bugs btw
So what's the deal with laser rifles? Their stats say they have good armor pen and armor damage but the flavor text says they don't actually destroy the armor.Does armor pen negate armor damage or what happens there?
>>2346583Have you ever noticed how a 100% pen attacks on vehicles from AT only deal hp damage? Or how blaster bugs do the same thing to your taxi? Full penetration shots skip armor completely
>>2346590No, I just started playing so I hadn't noticed how exactly armor mechanics work. Does this mean it's better to go all in on either AP or armor shred for the entire team? Sounds like double work to focus on both.
>>2346583they shoot straight through armor and so are great at killing high armor things but they cannot contribute to weakening that armor for other people using non laser weapons to help kill.I like to give lin a laser rifle and have the 4 laser canon on the apc mid game and have him ride around killing boarding commandos and light vehicles
Why is Darby freaking out so much over the buggerinos?
>>2346601because shes cute
i have never managed to hit anything with callinsminigun strafe ion cannon it all miss. as it takes a full round and ai seems to always move if u aim on them
does heavy armor negate suppression at all
>>2346349I hope they separate the map details from the objectives, they fucking take HALF the map and I just skip reading the time of the day and end up getting fucked every time>spoilerThe one time I managed to equip them it took me by surprise, I wasn't really expecting that
>>2346630You can minimize the objectives list so it doesn't cover the map
>>2346640Yes but I don't see the daytime then, and I tend to minimize without even looking at it at the start.It's a skill issue, I know
>>2346332xenonauts is ok but this has better design, polish, and effort. I like both but xenonauts is a letter grade below this game and suffers from a dev team that is lazy or mismanaged.
>>2346595typically a good anti armor unit (or two) can handle the heavy armor for you and your other guys can do other things. The disposable anti tank rocket accessories are a good thing to put on regular infantry so they have something to do against vehicles. Later on you want mostly everyone to have anti armor solutions but you shouldnt be blindsided by this really just remember as the game progresses armored enemies become more common
>>2345998Wardogs for everythingBombardier? WardogBlaster bug? WardogPirate HMG Tank? 3 WardogsLaser truck? WardogFlamethrower tank? WardogWalker? WardogStug tank? Like idk 5 or 6 Wardogs I guess but it's enough to just cripple it with 1 or 2 so something else can kill itThis is because a wardog does not care about the terrain or cover. It flies out and hits rear/side armor in 1 round, every time. I don't have to expose my unit, I don't have to maneuver into position, I just spot a bad thing and from perfect safety I kill/disable it.It is especially important in the early game when you first run into the rogue army, because you won't have any good anti-tank like an ATGM or long barrel cannon unless you got really lucky in your first ops, and when you reach the rogue army for the first time they swarm you with walkers that your piss shooting pirate RPG's can't effectively hit or reach. That's when you really need wardogs.As the game progresses and you get better anti-tank weapons, the wardogs become less important because you actually CAN kill a walker from 10 tiles or your AT launcher actually WILL hit and kill on the first shot.Wardogs are so good that I think they actually need both a countermeasure of some sort and more of a delay in deployment so they can't be thrown into things in 1 turn. If the AI used them they would be more aggravating to play against than ATGM's or mortars - especially if there were an anti-infantry variant (although that might be a good reason to upgrade into actual armor)Vehicles - maybe an active protection system with a chance to shoot down drones, ATGM's, and rockets imo, and/or drones that attack other drones.Jamming you might think would be effective but realistically kill drones wouldn't need to actually communicate anything back to the firing unit, so jamming wouldn't do anything to them - it'd work to blind the scout drones though since they wouldn't be able to send information back to the home squad.
>>2346001You mistake people seeing issues with the game and talking about them with people not having fun with the game.The AI cheats and knows where all my units are without having to put any effort into reconnaissance. That is stupid and sucks. It sucks both because the AI has perfect information it uses to get the drop on me or avoid clever moves I make, and it sucks because the probing and maneuvering minigame through reconnaissance before committing to a pitched fight is half the fun of a tactics gameSo I bring this up and I complain about it because it's stupid and not funBut the game is still generally fun in spite of this problem.The trouble is that things need to be recognized as problems for them to be improved - if nobody complains or speaks up, what you get is an environment of toxic positivity and that results in a game like concord or highguard where everything someone does is good simply because they put effort into it - which is just toddler ethics and doesn't result in good game design or fun games.
>>2346349NVG's are like an auto-win on night maps. Turns your unit into darby basically.
>>2346332Nope. Xenonauts is like a work of art compared to this crap.
>>2346502Bombardier means you have to conceal creep or suffer massive casualties>huge range>good accuracy>doesn't care about your cover or infantry armor kills regardlessSo the winning move against this bullshit is darby creeping around with the AT rifle and picking off bombardiers before they can fuck your shit up, and that's made all the more tedious by the AI constantly running its units out of darby's sight even though she's concealed and they shouldn't know what her weapon type and weapon and vision ranges are.
>>2346582Over half of my casualties in a given playthrough come from bombardiers aloneThey are the single deadliest unit I've fought so far, and coming in second place are probably mortar teams or rocket trucks but I haven't checked just gut feel on them
>>2346598>they shoot straight through armorWhich is kind of weird because the way lasers work IRL they are terrible at penetrating armor. They cause explosions at the surface 'contact' point by heating up the material so hot so quickly that it just explodes/vaporizes, but the downside of this is that it throws up a cloud of the shit you just exploded, which degrades how much light can get through to the armor. Lasers basically need to ablate/explode their way in and that would cause a lot of armor damage. They also ionize the air if the laser is dumping too much light through it and ionized air makes the air more opaque which scatters/absorbs more light so you run into big issues with actually dumping enough energy into something to explode it in the first place and the way to get around that is to increase the diameter of the focusing lens so you end up with like a 2ft diameter lens to laser something a kilometer awayso basically lasers are short ranged and don't penetrate armor very wellthe laser rifles in the game would make more sense if they were some kind of particle beams, which can very easily punch through armor, especially if you can get everything just right so that the particles don't interact with matter much until they've passed the armor so you dump all the energy in behind it, but doing that on the fly for different ranges, material densities, armor thicknesses, atmospheric densities, etc is basically impossible. Still it makes more sense for high penetration low armor damage than a laser does, while still being near speed of light blasting like a laser beam is.
>>2346610Don't use them on spotted units unless you've got them suppressed and pinned downInstead use them on enemy units in the fog of war. The AI won't move and will die.
>>2346694Bombardiers can't do anything against your battle taxi, so at the beginning of the game it's all about spotting them and sending your armor their way while the rest of your squads are on lookout for blaster bugs. Beyond that, like someone pointed out - wardogs. Greifinger with the makeshift rpg that drops from pirates by the millions will also one shot them without having to worry about missing.The only consistent "fun ends here" enemy is the blaster bug. Piece of shit will tank 2-3 bursts from an autocannon, 2 rpg hits, even a wardog. They always pop up from fog of war and chunk Bog for 2/3 of his health or eat a squadie as a toll for not instantly ruining your day.
>>2346625Not really. It does, as does good cover, but a bunch of weapons apply enough suppression anywayRogue army basic rifle teams will use their 80AP suppression fire to lock down a heavy armor squad and it will only need 1, maybe 2 infantry squads to do it. A pirate chaingun truck likewise can fore 5 times in a round and without even hitting anything still lock down a heavy armor squad in heavy coverIt's the main reason I don't bother with heavy armor - you don't benefit enough from suppression reduction for it to matter vs just not being shot at in the first place if you go with concealment boosting. The second reason is that on top of it not countering suppression in any meaningful sense, it's also 3x more expensive than the concealment armors/accessories and like 1.5x more expensive than a vehicle which also doesn't care about suppression and is also faster, better armored, and more deadly.
>>2346671based and Ukraine war pilled
>>2346694use drones to extend your vision range, see them before they can fire at you, laser lance them or wardog
I love laser turrets because they force the enemy to be aggressive and bunch up.
>decide to bring along the vehicle radar on a pirate truck for fun>it's super goodHaving perfect information on where all the enemies are at all times is extremely useful, who knew?
Is there some way to disable the MENACE? They are legitimately the worst part about the game. Total bore to fight.
>>2346744Oh YEAH, it's triple Pirate Heavy Chaingun truck time>>2346744I find it particulary useful against RA since they like to fuck you up with their special teams while you waste time on their squads. >run radar>see lonely blip skirting around my line of sight >move just vehicle just enough for it to be in machine gun range and fire at square>screams>blip is goneIt save my ass on a mission where taking an extra gun wasnt doing the cut due lots of buildings and cover.
itd be cool if eventually they give each planet their own different type of "alien wildlife" rather than all of them being bugs
>>2346759That is it. Another Heavy Chaingun truck incident.From now on, fighting pirates on expert after RA shows up means vehicle heavy deployments and everyone else will have to bring a smoke nade
>>2346705the fuck
>>2346706>Bombardiers can't do anything against your battle taxi,NTA and sure but I tried infantry run and it sucked. Bombardiers just would peak and bomb and kill 2-3 squaddies easily and then hide. Only counter was a camo on everyone but that make AI work in mysterious way. Its not fun. Especially that I would get why RA or Pirates behave like that but fucking bugs? How do they know what range my weapons are?Its just gamey shit.
in game its the local third world government that uses large army sizes, as space nato you must field smaller groups of high tech guys with lots of vehicle support
>>2346683Fuck off faggot, nobody likes reading your long winded reddit posts
>>2346810Fuck off faggot, be dickhead somewhere else.
>>2346810>Game is literally not working appropriately, even according to the developers>A-Ackshually you are the reddit and I am the chad!Lol
>>2346812>constant blog posts that say nothing of value>virtually none of them have any engagement whatsoever>get called a faggot>umm ackshually the game doesn't work I'm very smartfuck off faggot, nobody likes reading your long winded reddit posts
>>2346815>Criticising the game is le reddit, CHUDAre you actually retarded? Do you even know what website you're on?Nobody gives a fuck about engagement here, this isn't preddit, go take your updoots and fuck off.
>>2346815
>>2346818>every post is like 6 paragraphs of "um actually" posting>it's usually wrong as fuck>get called a faggot>no you're just upset cuz I'm criticizing the game>nobody gives a fuck about engagementLol. Considering the obsessive need you and >>2346821 this faggot here feel to respond to every post I make, and to defend whatever reputation you think you have methinks thou doth protest too much
>>2346824Enough with your blog about your hurt feelings.Fuck off to your gay discord or whatever shithole you crawl from.
>>2346825>no uThanks for proving me right
>>2346826>no u againThanks for proving that you are retarded, wrong and gay. Fuck off loser.
>>2346828Uh oh. U big mad now lol
>>2346829>imagine being so gayWell, you don't need to. HA!
>>2346829Shitting thread again?That is why nobody loves you, likes you, or even tolerate you.
>>2346831Perhaps you should learn to not compulsively respond to every post I make lolI've made dozens of good posts that you probably don't even realize is me, but then you chimps start flinging shit out of nowhere and all of a sudden its me shitting up the thread and not you clowns being unable to not come out of the woodwork to spend 200 posts responding the same shit over and over to every autistic little trigger you have
>>2346833Stop being retarded cunt then. Or continue and be shitted on. You like being called faggot and shitter, don't you?You little cock sucker.
>>2346834>let me make a prime example of me not shitting up the thread by compulsively responding to you with the same shit yet againBravo anon, very good. Also>brings up getting shit on again out of nowhereKeep us out of your magical realm please
>>2346835So you like to suck cocks little fagboy?Thanks for proving me right.
>>2346837>does it again
>Firaxis is so BTFO by this game they send indians to shit up Menace threads by shutting down all criticism so the game can't get betterLOLLMAO EVEN!
>>2346683>You mistake people seeing issues with the game and talking about them with people not having fun with the game>we're not all one person>let me speak for everyoneMaybe you came to this thread late, but most of the "people have legit issues with the game but otherwise are having fun" posts really are "this game fucking sucks, nothing about it is fun, the AI is cheating cuz the devs are bad and if you think it's not as bad as that then you're a faggot shill". You'll forgive me for lumping you in with them, but since you lumped yourself in with them on more than one occasion you're now part of that group.
>>2346847>firaxis sent shills to pretend the game is good and argue with those who say it's shitMeds
>>2346845>he come for moreI insult you and you come for more like a little faggot you are. I bet you are loved being kicked in real life you fucking shit.
>>2346849Games don't get better unless you call out the bad parts.What are you, stupid?
>>2346853Does this sorta shit normally work for you?>>2346855Uh huh. Schizo theories aside, is that why the vast majority of "people calling out the bad parts" posting is huge exaggerations, schizo posting and shit flinging? And why any time someone tries to actually discuss it the problem some nigger like >>2346853 drives the entire conversation into the ground with no survivors?
>>2346848Shut the fuck up faggot, out one side of your mouth you say "you don't speak for everyone" and then you immediately go "I speak for everyone">most of the "people have legit issues with the game but otherwise are having fun" posts really are [...] blah blahNo they aren't you dumbfuck. I've been reading these threads from the start. People have legitimate problems with the AI and it's not just been brought up here either, but also on reddit, steam, and the game's discord. I've been checking pretty much all the discussions going on because I'm slightly obsessed with this game. Almost universally people hate the way the AI cheats and aren't just "blindly shitting on the game for NO RAISIN"What an immense faggot you are. Catch a permaban any fucking day please. You're probably the same singular guy that posts 95% of the shitposts in this thread.
>>2346859Thanks for proving my point for me perfectly.>almost universallylol, lmao>please jannies save meReddit is that way
>>2346858Because when people pointed out how the AI cheats by knowing your unit locations/ranges at all times, even concealed, you keep fucking shitflinging at them by calling them schitzos and redditors lmao.
>>2346861The guy just lives to shitpost and troll in threads. I'm convinced of it, that's the only reason he's even here, it's not about discussing the game at all for this retard.
>>2346859>Shut the fuck up faggot, out one side of your mouth you say "you don't speak for everyone" and then you immediately go "I speak for everyone"Are you illiterate or just a retard? Fucking newfag lurk more if greentext confuses you this much
>>2346861I've admitted in a dozen posts or more that it does that. You retards endlessly think that it does it 100% of the time, that the devs are making a cheating AI, and that the game is unplayable as a result. You can try and gas light me now, but this moderate "the game could be better if only a few minor things were fixed" angle you're playing now is the exact thing I was saying in those threads.
>>2346858There is no discussion with you around you little cocksuckerYou have no manners you have no style and you have dick in your ass.Every your response confirm that you are a faggot.
Saaar, this game good. No issues, saar. German quality, saar.
>>2346866Then perhaps you should just leave the thread if your brain is this easily broken
>>2346870Maybe you should suck cock more if you too stupid to recognize your stupidity. Not that would it help you get smarter you fucking cunt.
saar, hindu woman best pilot, hindu best drivers, number one in the world
saar, ai do not camp corners
>>2346864It does it like 90% of the time, nobody gives a shit that it works properly on 10% of maps in edge cases.
>>2346872You sure bring up sucking cock an awful lot lol.>>2346876So is this something that happens sometimes and is an obvious bug that needs to be fixed, or an omnipresent example of evil cheating AI that proves the devs are retards?
>>2346878>it only works 10% of the time in edge casesnow this is an outright lie
>>2346878>massively exaggerates problem and doesn't deny that he is accusing the devs of being shit and making a cheating AIThanks for proving my point
>>2346879Fuck off loser. You retarded cunt.
>>2346882>doesn't answer the question>just shits pants insteadFigures
>>2346881>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE AI IS OF WORK FINE SARRIt outright shits the bed the moment you have more LOS than the enemy does. This can be noticed with a mere SINGLE bonus concealment.
>>2346864>I've admitted in a dozen posts or more that it does that.Thanks for concession.>You retards endlessly think that it does it 100% of the timeThat is just your imagination. >that the devs are making a cheating AIThey did tho. BB Ai suffer from the same problem - the BB AI always know where player units are. Its not surprising that Menace Ai is build similarly. IT have the same problems like early BB AI had(and sometimes still had) aka passivity and aggression levels.Educate yourself before shilling like a fucking retard.
>>2346883>eat shit and ask for moreFigures. Here goes the spoon.
>>2346885I can only imagine the AI issue in BB isn't as bad because it's not a sci-fi shooty with mechs and emplaced weapons and shit?
>darby doesnt like being blessedinto the trash she goes
>>2346885>Thanks for concessionThanks for being a dishonest, disingenuous faggot lol>that it does it 100% of the time>That is just your imagination>literally a dozen posts in the last hour or two saying this exact thing>including this oneIt's amazing how the menace threads have been shit from the start>waah this game is pozzed german psyop shit full of niggers and women>waah the AI is specifically built to cheat and ruin the game>waah the supply system is anti fun and I hate it>the game is really good, it's just you that thinks it's bad>shills shills everywhere>i just want the game to be better, which is why I respond go literally every post with my shit fetishIf I was to judge this game by the playerbase it would easily be one of the worst games of all time.
>>2346887He's a shitter who struggles with BB AI too apparently. I've called it before, he's one of those retards who shits up every BB thread complaining about bandit marksmen and the RNG, and now he's doing it here, masking his badness and confirmation bias behind a very thin veneer of claiming he just wants the game to be fair
>>2346890>Lol just play harder if you want the AI to not be buggedWhat did he mean by this?...You're the sort of retard who thinks you can 'vote harder' too aren't you?
>>2346878mmmmmmmmmmmmmno sweatythe game is perfectit's just a coincidence that every enemy stops exactly 1 tile outside your maximum gun range no matter the circumstanceyou should take your meds and stop harrassing my safe space
>>2346893It's especially hilarious on defence missions where enemy vehicles will conveniently skirt around your hidden AT teams but will happily charge into range of equally hidden regular infantry.
>>2346892>/pol/ shit out of nowhereFigures
>>2346893>exactly 1 tile outside your maximum gun range no matter the circumstanceThat literally is not the case. On one hand dipshits are trying to pretend that you're just looking for an honest discussion about the game, then you make statements like this.
just stop replying to him holy shit
>>2346896/pol/ website, sorry sweaty.
>the AI will literally, always, 100% of the time stop outside of your max range and camp there no matter the circumstance>no I'm not exaggerating or lyingLol, lmao
>>2346887Yes. Its mostly curiosity - aka you try to hide in the bush just to have AI beeline straight at you. Most units being melee and with no ability to shoot at tile its not a real problem most of the time(like 99.999%) but it still exist.Early ghouls(before they become nachos like they are now) also have the problem of circling around player aiming for bodies and avoiding combat, similar with berserkers who try to flank and can be delayed and shoot using spear wall. Other things is Ai standing on defensive when it have ranged advantage even if it attacked you on global map.>>2346890Nigger, why you create strawman instead of honestly engaging into discussion?That is why nobody respect you or treat you seriously. If you do not want talk seriously then fuck off. I am pretty good BB player, did plenty of Ironman expert runs and was early BB adopter(even before combat demo) so I know most of the problems that game have. More than you obviously because you know shit.
>>2346900>/pol/ has been proven to be overwhelmingly brown and/or glowiesI'm sure you fit right in lol
>>2346889>If I was to judge this game by the playerbase it would easily be one of the worst games of all time.You are here so yeah. Shit game attract shit fans like you.
>>2346903>He posts, in the thread where literal shitflinging jeets are being paid to shit up the threadWDHMBT?
>>2346898>immediately does the bit he's accused of to prove he doesn'tYou are a joke.
>>2346902>you're a jeet shill faggot who just sucks dicks, lies, nobody wants to talk to you, if you make a real post it's just ignored>why don't you engage in honest discussionYou first faggot and then I will
>>2346907Notice how the AI in this game has a really bad habit of hanging just precisely outside of the range of units it cannot actually see?
>>2346904>the game isn't shit, you're the shit fan>also the game is shitFuck sakes you guys are something else>>2346906>makes a categorically false statement>uuh of course you would point out the statement I made isn't true>this means you're the one being dishonest and not me
>>2346907>no response>just shitflinginghehJust as expected.
>>2346908Did you not see the retards earlier post?He is adamant that it doesn't happen.
>>2346908I'll concede (again) that it does it if you admit that it doesn't do it 100% of the time regardless of circumstance like faggot above you has claimed multiple times. You want to be treated better Evan him? Act it then.
>>2346911Find me the post where I said it never happens at all. After you're done with that square >>2346901 with >>2346893 please
>>2346909>MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM>NO SWEATY>DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES>IT NEVER HAPPENS YOU ARE CRAZYClown.
you cannot reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into
>>2346912It doesn't do it 100% of the time, but it obviously is a trend that breaks a lot of the game's combat encounters.You can use high-concealment units like Darky to 'push' units further away because they outright will not want to fight her.
>>2346915Au contraireGetting paid 10 rupees a post defending the game in the most asinine way possible is a perfectly reasonable position when you make in a year what a NEET collects in a month in gibs in first world countries.
>>2346915Ironic when this >>2346914is the post immediately before yours>>2346916I agree with that. I've been agreeing with that. I can go back to the very first thread where this has been mentioned and find my first post agreeing that it happens and is a problem I'll also find you the post where I say I was more interesting in determining whether this was a bug that happened sometimes and what maybe was causing it, or if it was intended cheating behaviour by the devs. Then I'll find you 800 posts that look like this >>2346914 >>2346904 in response and perhaps your memory will be refreshed as to how we got here
>>2346918>I agree with that. I've been agreeing with that.Cool.It also makes some weapons like deployment-needing ones way less useful than they have any right being. Setting up that 'perfect' ambush location with a heavy machinegun or recoilless rifle, only to watch enemies sneak on by despite not knowing the location of the weapon is just...So fucking annoying.I barely use deployment weapons anymore because of it, AT drones or RPG's work way better.
>>2346912Not him but it happen less on some type of missions or when it have over local advantage. The problem is that AI have map hack(aka map wide vision) and use this knowledge to get outside weapon range. That is especially visible with stealth units that AI should not know what weapons(and range) they have(just that they are spotted). You can use stealthy unit to spot and push away enemy units that run into corners or into map borders.The whole spot/not spot mechanic(and marking) should only be enabled for units that you spot. In general AI is quite basic, gamey and easy to break even un intentionally(like stack stealth, vision and range on recon unit) by doing common sense thing. The other thing that make AI not so fun to play against is that it abuse its numerical advantage in move(activation) order - that one is pretty easily visible in defence missions with AI use units that move into capture zone after all your units already passed(so player have no ability to throw them off) - counter to this would be changing way how capture works(aka counting capture points only for units that spend whole turn(from one their activation to another) in the capture zone).
>>2346918>and perhaps your memory will be refreshed as to how we got hereYou being an autistic twat desperate to defend the game that doesn't need defending over an issue you yourself recognize is a severe detriment, You started it, you don't get to cry that your deranged ranting got everyone to despise you over it. Now you have an opportunity to put your money where your mouth is and shut up though we both know you'll go back to ruining the thread by arguing something that's obviously true and that you admit you know is true isn't.
>>2346917I am pretty much sure that its HH shill. I bet he play both sides and create strawmen just so he can play himself as reasonable(he isn't and he is to dumb to see it). Maybe they work in pairs.I am glad that I didn't pay for the game(have BB and all of DLC) because of that.
>>2346916>>2346918So in the interest of having an honest discussion with you on the subject, and ignoring the obvious jeets that have attached themselves to you, I'll mention something I've noticedThe AI is always way more aggressive at the start of the battle. They're more likely to push forward, into your vision and then into your range and actually try to fight you. It's at this point it seems to be working pretty well (even if it's seeing things it shouldn't it's kind of hard to tell since it's coming forward and fighting). Once you start to win and it loses units the running away begins. I think what's happening here is the AI recognizes it no longer has the strength advantage and it starts to fall back to avoid losing more. At this point it either knows your ranges and is falling back just far enough to avoid you, or is simply falling back from anywhere you could be and doesn't actually know if you're there. The end result of both possibilities is basically the same either way, and ends up eventually with the AI hiding at the edge of the map where it knows you can't be.My main question is I don't actually know which of those two possibilities it is. I have seen them move into offmap abilities, I've seen them push into weapons ranges of concealed units, so I'm inclined to believe it isn't outright cheating, but it is curious behaviour and strikes me as a combination of other factors and parameters coming together to create an unintended scenario.
>>2346923>you started itlol, no. Get fucked jeet. Seems we might be able to have a decent discussion from the last few posts. Either take the advantage and join it, or at least be silent please
>>2346925I think I've noticed this phenomenon as well. When AI counts are high they are more brave, but it only takes 1 hit KO'ing a couple of squads before the whole remainder of the enemy force freaks out.
>>2346926>Either take the advantage and join it, or at least be silent pleaseYou first
>>2346926And there it is. This dipshit literally cannot help itself.
>>2346929>>2346931Yeah let's just ignore the post I'm responding to lol
>>2346932Yeah. That is all you have to do. But you can't.What a wanker.
What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
>>2346928Here's the follow on, and something I wish I knew the answer to. I brought it up before at some pointDoes the AI have a parameter where it simply goes "I have no clue where the enemy is, it might be in that bush there and I can't be sure so I'll just avoid it" Then when it can't see any of your units it ends up just falling back endlessly unit it hits the one part of the map it knows for sure you won't be, it's own spawning zone.I think this could explain the behaviour we see just as easily. I would buy into the "AI is always cheating and can see/ignore your ranges" more if there wasn't instances where it walked right into the ranged of a concealed unit, which I'm sure we've all seen at least sometimes. Those instances are the only thing that makes me look for alternate reasons why this is happening. Of course them just being more brave and aggressive could also explain it, they see but just don't care, but again that's kinda hard to determine.I'm also wondering if the AI has different parameters depending on the mission it's secondary objectives. When you're supposed to kill more than X forces are they more likely to hide to prevent that? If you're supposed to kill less than a certain amount are they more likely to fight to make it harder? I haven't really noticed but it's possible AI flags related to these could be making it behave one way or another
>>2346936>makes dishonest post>no you can't respond to it or you're being dishonestlol, lmao. It's amazing how as soon as I call for civility and make an actual post asking genuine questions I get one response and the rest of you either ignore it or run away. Not the first time this has happened actually
>>2346942Please ask your handler to stop giving you access to the internet. 24/7 access to human interaction is clearly too taxing for you.
>>2346942I am always honest. Not like you. You want this stop? Then fuck off and behave. That is all you have to do. Stop being a wanker.But you can't. You are a slave, you have no free will.
>>2346942>Not the first time this has happened actuallyNot the first time you were called a twat? Not surprising.
>>2346925Basically AI advance (aside def missions) when he think that he can destroy your unit.I you use 3 mans scout and place it in 4 range near enemy? He will "accidentally" found your unit and kill it.I you place it in 6 range? AI will run away since he can't spot and kill you.Devs need to stop that bullshit with maphack and make scripts for goals, just like they have on defense missions.If it humans, they should know that dropship was here so they will regroup and search player or defend their obj. Bugs should be more aggressive, and idk about behavior щa menace but at least they should have goal to kill player's units.
>>2346922In fairness, I've definitely crept a unit forwards until I see the little eye disappear and immediately move it back until it reappears. I don't know the weapons or units involved but I know when I'm spotted or when I'm not. This is basically the same behaviour in my mind, and sure it's annoying and possibly not intended but it doesn't bother me a whole lot cuz I'm doing the same thing>The other thing that make AI not so fun to play against is that it abuse its numerical advantage in move(activation) orderthis was specifically intended behaviour according to the dev diaries. Makes sense since some mission rewards give you shit units that are really only good for helping you control the movement order more. The issue with this mechanic is that instead of you having the choice between like 3-8 units and the AI brining like 5-9 so the turn order could be something you plan for and manipulate to your advantage, it's really you bringing 3-4 units and the AI bringing 10+ so you will never have turn order advantage (thouugh you will always get to go first so there's that at least)
>>2346943>>2346944>>23469453 posts to this >>23469422 to this >>2346925 Funny.>I'm always honest, unlike you, please fuck off and behave You first faggot. Link every post you've made in the last couple hours and show us which ones came from a place of honesty and civility
>>2346946>щathat guy who called you literal vatniks wasn't fucking kidding was he?>the devs need to stop this maphack bullshit cheatingBack to square one already
>>2346951See this is madness. The turn order mechanic makes no sense when theres that many units.
>>2346950There is no vatniks here. All of them are already dead.>>2346951What the fuck. What level operation it is.
>>2346951>34 vehiclesWhat the fuck were you shooting at?
>>2346950>4chan used by eslWow, breaking news.
>>2346953>>2346954it was a stop enemies from reaching the exit point kind of defend mission, just 2 difficulty 1791 deployment point vs pirates
>>2346955>one of the shills screeching about cheating AI by bullshit devs is a Russian>exactly as was predicted>anon rushes past all the genuine posts to his defense
>>2346956I'm not even sure if my army setup has enough ammo to kill that many pirates. Holy shit.
>>2346956oh, on expert naturally
>>2346957No russians here.
>>2346960>no Somalis here>just lots of KenyansYeah whatever
>>2346961Don't be racist and bigoted you nigger.
>>2346958heres the setup i was usingthe laser apc and laser rifle combo is very effective against most everythingbut twin autocanon medium mech is just so good
>>2346963whoops
>>2346964>that pipe riflesfucking lmao
>>2346964>tech with a billion ammo bags>only 3 killsIt do be like that sometimes.
>>2346911It's just a troll shitting up threadsFor some reason 4chan is full of retards like that now. I don't know if it's human or a bot, but either way it's not here to discuss the game.
The bot is now accusing others of being a bot. I really hate this new internet
The bot is now accusing other bots of being a bot. I really hate this new internet
The bot is now accusing other bots of being a bot. I really hate this new botnet
The bot is accusing bots of being bots who are calling bots bots. I really hate this new internet.
>>2346940The way the AI works basically think of the tiles on the map as being red or green, red is most of the map, the AI will never choose those spots. Green tiles on the map are tiles where some underlying calculation determined that out of current sightlines, weapon ranges, squad leader skills, equipment, abilities, combination of all firing ranges, existence of anti tank weapons, which units it can kill and from what position, etc. etc. - then these green tiles are the best tiles to move intoIt doesn't directly know where your units are but it indirectly does because the tile calculations take into account concealed units when they shouldn't be.So the AI moves to one of these perfectly calculated tiles, oh it reveals darby was there and melee attacks her even though she was concealed.There's a few problems with this, notwithstanding that the AI is cheating the positions of concealed units - but the AI also has no memory and no planning. It does not go "ok these units will execute a flanking assault here with anti tank weapons because my scout saw an APC on that side of the map" it just moves units according to present information into the best calculated positions for that moment. The moment to moment moves can be pretty decent, but the overarching strategy doesn't exist and that's why for example the AI just runs away instead of engaging you or sitting there.It's also pretty deterministic. Reload and make the same moves in order and the AI responds in the same way too, because all the map tile calculations are the same, there is no variance or probability at work.
>>2346988Source?
>>2346988They need to fix what makes tiles 'red' for the AI.Certain factors like 'weapons I cannot see' should be completely removed from the equation.
>>2346988>It doesn't directly know where your unitsSource: your ass.
>>2346988>So the AI moves to one of these perfectly calculated tiles, oh it reveals darby was there and melee attacks her even though she was concealed.I've seen the exact opposite behavior too though, the AI moving a unit to adjacent or nearly adjacent to a concealed unit, but having no AP for a follow-up and just immediately getting gunned down
>>2346994That's because he just made shit up. You can easily disprove it by reloading the same mission over and over.
>>2346989Dude, trust me
>>2346997Proofs?
>>2346989>>2346992>>2346996Now this is some quality honest discussion lol. It's also funny how quick you little shits all come out of the woodwork while entirely ignoring these >>2346947>>2346940posts here asking trying to actually discuss the games mechanics and bugs. It's almost like you're lying when you say you want to have a discussion and not just shit post
>>2346988>It's also pretty deterministic. Reload and make the same moves in order and the AI responds in the same way too, because all the map tile calculations are the same, there is no variance or probability at workAnyone who disagrees with this statement has not played the game
>>2347000Stop shitposting and post proofs of your guessing. Otherwise its just pulled from your ass and on same level with anons claiming that AI have cheats, probably even less because its more detailed.
>>2347002Wasn't even me you dishonest faggot lol. Maybe engage in honest discussion, like you said you would
>>2347004Hm. Why you act like wanker again?
>>2347004If you are not the guy then STFU.
>>2347002>Okay fine, i concede and admit the AI is blatantly cheating>30 minutes later and the programming resets and xe goes back to its routineMay you get cancer and die you autistic faggot.
>>2347009Post proofs. Or better just fuck off.
>>2347011Not your personal safe space, retard.
>>2347012seethe more loser
>>2347008You first fuckface
>>2347017make me(you can't)have some pills to help you cope
>>2347018>responds thinking I'm some other guy >I'm not >you need to shut up>you first>make me Legit how old are you?
Holy fucking shit you immature niggers, talk about the game.What fucking weapons should I use for light/medium/heavy vehicle slots?
>>2347019How old are you? Post ID as proof(if you ever have one)
>vatnik at it again
>>2347020none, use only infantry as infantry is the fastest, cheapest, best armoured and armed unit in the gamevehicles are just for pussies
>>2347025I want to use an IFV though.
>>2347022>no uThis bot is tiresome>>2347019I tried. Multiple good, honest attempts at discussion. Literally one response, and then nothing. We know this niggers are still here, waiting to shit up the thread accusing everyone of being shills, or being dishonest or reductive while doing the exact same thing themselves.It's a dead thread, the anti shills won, and it's unrecoverable at this point. Sorry
What a shitshow of a thread. What even caused this derailment?>>2347020Long Tank Gun has aura. GUNNER, SABOT, TAAAAAANK
>blaming evil ruzzians out of nowhere sign of a paid shill as they are only able to blame designated safe targets
>>2347027Meant for >>2347020
>>2347020Long tank gun for heavy and MG or Nade launcher for light, laser lance if you want to sacrifice firepower, range and accuracy for troop carrying capacity, put the plasma rifle on light and you remove the need for the ammo box accessory so you can slap more random bullshit in it.
>>2347027>no uLearn new tricks you kuta-dog.
>>2347030calm down Ivan
>>2347028Is there anything with more dakka than the long tank gun or am I stuck with that for now? It still takes multiple hits to KO the heavy tanks.
>>2347033I've been testing the AGL for the light slot, looks like the best weapon that fits in that slot. Not super great damage but it suppresses/cripples any infantry it hits.
>>2347036>Is there anything with more dakkaDo you mean firepower? Cause dakka usually refers to fast rate of fire weapons.Anyway the long tank gun is pretty much the most powerful one, the ATGM deals more per shot I think but has fewer ammo
>>2347035nothis is best game with flawless AI and HH is paying me 20 rubbles per post best german game ever, extra popular on rutracker
>>2347036Flank it for the tank duel kino
>>2347038Sorry by bad, I meant ded 'ard splodey, not dakka.
>>2347039You've made this exact post already. Give it a rest
>>2347037it is, for hvy inf suppression and wiping out light infantry
What does "this side off" mean?
>>2347028>What even caused this derailment?The same sperg as usual is screaming at everyone pointing out that ai has perfect knowledge of your sightlines and range without actually seeing you.
>>2347043no, till shilling victory, every reply give me 50 roublesbest game ever, AI shills just bad at gameyou suck cock and lay eggs
>>2347045It means if you mount this side facing the IFV you've done something wrong
>>2347028>What a shitshow of a thread. What even caused this derailment?The same sperg as usual is screaming at everyone pointing out that ai has perfect knowledge of your sightlines and range without actually seeing you.**This post is sponsored by Shouigu and RIDF
Is it just me or is the 'operator' armor just objectively the best? It has ammo packs in-built, gives the most equipment slots and is decently armored.
>>2347047I dare you to tally the total amount of posts made by that guy, and the total amount of shit posts responding to him and then compare both against the total post count of the thread.
>>2347052I dare you to put a loaded gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, autistic faggot
>>2347054Make me lol
There must be some substance to it.>position darby my beloved out of sight of pirates on one of those missions where you have to kill as few as possible and sabotage some stuff>pirates drive and run out of her weapon range for no reason despite her being concealed>huh, weird>i wonder if /vst/ knows anything about this, there's a big MENACE thread there>look inside>sperging about ziggers
>>2347056Its zigger controlling german devs to put zigger made AI inside game. Also put coin miners to overheat PC and cause climate change.
>>2347056Totally organic post.
>>2347051It is, at least equipment capacity wise. Maybe armour wise the marine platesuit is better without being comically heavy like the breacher armour but it NEVER FUCKING DROPS or appears in the black marketbut the breacher armour, which is supposed to be rarer, doeswhy
>>2347060>whydon't complain, this EA game is perfectly balanced and already finished and GOTYyou don't want to shit the thread, don't you?
Sperg having a melty cuz not everyone thinks every bug or balance issue is proof overyhype is hiding under their bed.
>>2347063Its not Overhype, its HH shills or overhype cultistsAt last get your delusions straight
Sperg having a melty cuz nobody except him even knows what HH is or why it should matter
Hooded Horse, or Hail Hitler, xaxa, very fitting the publisher, known for underhanded use of paid shills, influencers and very crafty internet warfareGlad that I could educate you on the basics you dumb ass
>>2347066Sperg having a melty cuz not everyone here shares the same schizoid delusions his discord does, or follows the same asinine internet drama.
>>2347036sneak darby behind it and shoot two rpg in its butt
>>2347063it's kinda funny watching him meltdon desu(to be honest)
I do not use discord. I get my information straight from Heaven and Telegram.
>>2347068>Darby...You mean Darky?
>>2347056Putler and his goons personally are raiding this thread to spread lies about ai behavior.
>>2347069Definitely funnier that seeing that wanker sperg about anybody complaining about the game.
Sperg doesn't realize he's the real sperg and always has been cuz he's too busy melting down for all to see
>>2347075Is this supposed to convince everyone that he's a bot? Does that normally work for you?
It is kinda suspicious that Hooded Horse came right the fuck out of nowhere with infinite money to bankroll the most random games you could ever think of.A Cold War espionage autism project by a singular Polish guy. A Martian strategy game made by a Jap who seems to be a pretty okay dev and an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE COMMUNIST.The Battle Brothers devs suddenly deciding to go 3D and make a turn based tactics game with JA-esque banter.Fucking Endless Legend II.
>>2347078to be fair those sound like they would all be pretty cheap
>>2347078.0000001% of the German government budget for domestic media projects would cover all of those easily
>>2347078>The Battle Brothers devs suddenly deciding to go 3D and make a turn based tactics game with JA-esque banter.Its not suddenly. They were mentioning that they wanted to do it like soon after they finished BB. There used to be their blogpost with early sketches on BB blog. Also 3D was condition of them getting german 1mln euro grant. But yeah, Hooded Horse come from nowhere. >>2347078>A Martian strategy game made by a Jap who seems to be a pretty okay dev and an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE COMMUNIST.Elaborate.
>>2347078>A Martian strategy game made by a Jap who seems to be a pretty okay dev and an ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE COMMUNIST.MARS Tactics where corpo and labour fight over Red planet
>>2347078It's a 10 man company that has published like 20 small games. One rich ceo could easily bankroll the entire thing>but muh evil hoodedhorse shillsthe niggers pretending they're fucking Ubisoft or something is pretty funny, with hordes of shills and a massive PR department locking down the internet over this games release are delusional at best.
>>2347082Mars Tactics.The dev has some very interesting takes on his socials, or he did before he realised that saying shit like that when everyone only follows him for developer updates and not the fact he's a communist and a chink sympathiser.
>>2347086Ah, Kameraden.Really nice.
>>2347086
>>2347078i see that disco elysium referenceyou arent slick
>>2347045>long barrel tank gun explicitly fires APFSDS long-rod munitions>tanks stopped using muzzle brakes because it prevents the sabots from cleanly separating once fired>long barrel tank gun has a muzzle brakeI'm unreasonably annoyed about it
>>2347090You absolutely can use sabot ammunition with muzzle brakes. It's just a huge pain in the ass to design the brake properly to work with the ammo.Germany figured it out in WW2.But with any sort of modern technology, you can make recoil systems that make the brakes redundant.
>>2347090write it on steam forum(or discord) just so it will be ignored
when is the next patch my Meniggas?
>>234709329th February
>>2347093zese sings zhey take time, ja?
Damn, even redditors hare more hardcore than some of the crying niggers in here
>>2347100Does anyone complain about difficulty here tho?>
>>2347100Nobody is complaining about the difficulty here though. And MENACE is actually pretty easy compared to the horseshit that is XCOM-2.The issue is the AI acts like a complete pussy and uses pvpfag cheese tactics, it's not fun and it's not even particularly harder.
Is it me or do some items straight up stop dropping? Like I can't remember the last time I've seen pipe guns or pirate trucks
>>2347100I don't think the issue is difficulty, just the AI doing weird shit. Also the rarity of items is all out of whack.I just want the cool armour featured in the steam store picture man...
>>2347103>Is it me or do some items straight up stop dropping?It's not you, certain enemy types and store items outright stop appearing after a while.
>>2347101>>2347102Yes
>>2347104>I just want the cool armour featured in the steam store picture man...
