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>>2369715
damn, someone made a thread with handcannoneer in the OP. i can finally post this, but the question still remains: when will they buff handcannoneers?

>>2369723
>replying to yourself
new low, dude

>>2369737
nah, i always have my handcannoneer picture named, and i never refer to the handcannoneer as cannoneer.

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>*changes your clothes' colour*

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Classic graphics and sounds were better before DE. This is a fact.

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So now that the dust has kind of settled, which Champi civ has the best:
>Champi
>Slinger
>Castle UU
>Secondary UU
>Settlement
>Castle UT
>Imperial UT
>Castle design
>Wonder

>>2369983
Incas have the best Champi hands down
I like Tupi slingers the best
Kamayuk still best Castle UU
Temple Guards are the most fun 2nd UU
Tupi settlements are best because of garison but Mapuche can be fun to quickly raise an army with
Tbh i dont even remember their techs but Poison is obviously the best imp one
Inca castle still the best
No idea about any wonder tho

>>2369846
Building graphics are equivalent but unit animations are undoubtly better in the original.
>Halberdiers would slice instead of one-handed thrust
>Huskarls would do a full body upwards swing
>Longswords would do some funny thrusts
>Camels would do some cool backhand swings
>Vills would do stuff with more emphasis, females were more delicate

Biggest downgrade was still on AoE1 / RoR units. Those are all fucked.

>>2369983
who cares they're all retarded dogshit

>>2370013
I care

>>2369715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_a08312fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_a08312fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_a08312fY

castle age parthian tactics feels like such a random bonus for persians, it's not like they have good CA, and the res of the upgrade is prob not worth it in castle age

Londinium is going to be a massive flop in terms of viewers and revenue
never seen a S+ tournament with so little hype mere days before it happens

>>2370205
yeah, persians need some stuff shuffled around

When are these faggot devs going to make the game properly and stop fucking around with multiplayerslop

>>2370211
Nobody cares about Hera winning. He's unlikeable, his gameplay is boring.

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>>2370205
>>2370231
Persians could lose every single bonus and UT and UU except for their eco one and they would still be a top tier civ, funnily enough
So stuff like Caravanserai and trashbows and Parthian in CA are just bonuses that add flavour for campaignchads and sub 1k bros

>>2370326
They should also have Central Asian architecture

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>spirit of the law saying the people dropping negative reviews on the last chieftains because the campaigns are "too hard" are fucking retards who need to shut the fuck up and lower the difficulty
holy TRVKE

>>2370288
Rank the londinium players from most fun to watch gameplauy to least. I'm curious what you mean.

>>2370288
He's by far the most charismatic of the pros, which leads to more people cheering for him, which leads to more wins out of him absorbing the power of friendship.

>>2370211
Can't blame viewers since TTL was such a fun tourney (up until when Hera won)
It had some great maps + Empire Wars is kinda boring to watch.

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>>2370344
Funny as hell how CUMANS out of all civs got the actual PERSIAN architecture while IRL their "cities" looked like pic related.

>>2370211
Hera has never been weaker than he is right now, so odds of kino are decent

>>2370326
Isn't that just because docks and TC bonus make them oppressive on nomad? I don't see them often off that map. How broken would trashbows be if they got bracer in exchange for losing parthian?
>>2370344
yes please, I love Cuman architecture but dislike playing them.

>>2370460
idk about weaker but larry could have beaten him in TTL. To truly nerf hera we need to take away hussar from 3/4 the civs that have it so you can target ban hussar civs against him. Way too many cav/pala/hussar/bloodlines available in general.

>>2370477
No, faster working TCs make them universally good on any map, no matter what.
https://aoe2ct.github.io/kotd6-stats/
They were the most played civ in KotD6 for example, specifically because nobody wants to target ban them, and picking them is generally always a good idea; in my head, they're basically like Chinese except a way worse lategame but a lot less likely to get banned/die from laming
>bracer instead of parthian
That would be extremely stupid, would make them way too good. Savar is meant to cover their shitty skirm line and trashbow already has some (situational) uses, nothing needs to be changed about Persians outside of architecture

>>2370440
how was liereyy completely raping his way to the final in any way entertaining?

>>2370487
>nothing needs to be changed about Persians outside of architecture
Agree, they're perfect as they are, gameplay wise.

>>2369715
I liked the 3 part a lot. Had a DVD with all three parts, played it for years. My favs were Turkey and Japan. They were unique but at the same time understandable. Never managed to master Aztecs. They looked cool but playing without artillery felt kinda off. Didn't play DE, it looks gay.

>>2370442
Nomad architecture for Cumans, Huns, Khitans, Mongols, and Tatars soon. Trust the plan (aka. buy the dlcs)

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>>2370519
No, it'll be
>Eastern Steppe
Mongols, Khitan, Liao, Tanguts, Tibetans
>Western Steppe
Cumans, Huns, Khazars (Jews are giving MS more money)
>Central Asia
Tartars, Persians
Bonus
>Han architecture
Chinese, Wei, Shu, Sun

>>2370535
By Liao I meant Jurchens, Khitans are getting Tangutspleet

Game has become stale, too much focus on mainstream white cultures. Without diversity, the game is stale and most of the so-called "wonders" are just monuments to white mediocrity.
I have been petitioning the devs to add strong African empires such as the San people who made enormous leaps for humanity in their time, but instead they focus on white adjacent garbage.

>>2370519
I'll buy euro, japanese and arabian dlcs, not else.

>>2370555
your bait is like 4 years out of date, we haven't gotten a white civ since 2022.

>>2370535
Only if that correlates with all these civs getting Pastures and the building itself being nerfed to be identical to farms.

ranged units are too weak in aoe compared to their power in history

>>2370439
>charismatic
Is that what passes for charismatic these days? I hate the internet.

>>2370634
Have you seen the other pros stream? Viper, Daut, Tatoh... they all suck compared to Hera in terms of entertainment. Not that Hera is GOOD per se, but he's just better.

>>2370624
Done. Only Khitans can return AT the pastures, the rest have to walk to a mill/TC

Why do people get so mad over civ picking? Like if both players civ pick both players get a good civ but if you random one player gets a better civ. Also you can random into civs that are difficult to play without a lot of experience with that civ like gurjarahs, mayans or chinese.

>>2370627
this is not a historically accurate game, it has the 3K and Chieftains dlcs after all.

>>2370742
normies have been tricked by pros into thinking random on ladder is the standard when it's just the pros staying in practice/having fun. Normies are also dogshit at adapting, so if they pick franks and you get byzantines their brain breaks.

>>2370627
Melee was the name of the game until gunpowder was able to effectively replace the pike, and even then it wasn't phased out
Ranged weapons helped many battles (English, Czechs, etc) but the melee was still the deciding factor of those battles

>>2370753
The last Melee cavalry charge in history was literally at the end of World War 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Schoenfeld

What civ is the closest to a jewish civ in this game?

>>2370778
whichever civ is your favorite, you kike

>>2370778
Poles

>>2370778
ironically saracens

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At this very moment, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Jr0Y7kCgA started playing
Darkening the sun with a gorillon javelins and converting anything that does not drop dead from it
Atlat aztec skirms rule

>>2370624
>identical to farms
But what's the point then? I like the idea of a variation that is more food in the long run at the cost of a higher upfront investment (wood cost and vil cost)
Hell, now that I think about it what about
>unique farm alternative: half the gather rate of farms but doesn't need to be reseeded
for some other future civ or something I dunno

>>2370806
Recently been doing full aztec monk play on maps where FC power unit is the norm (nomad etc) and it's so much fun. I keep forgetting atlatl is a thing I should add full trash support for it too.

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>>2370825
Aztec atlat skirms are very fucking nasty and will kill soft counters in enough numbers, you still need monks and some sort of frontline, preferably low on gold like champs or jags.
Sadfy I'm not really a Monk rush kind of guy, I only use them in imperial (mostly due Theocracy, cannot be arsed to individually micro 6 or more monks at the same time)

Funny enough, Muisca monks and UU has a similar vibe to this, except Muisca UU lacks the range of aztec Atlat skirms, but make that up by having a very nasty punch

>>2370826
Best part about mass monks is you don't even need to be a micro god for them to work. When an enemy sees a group of monks and hears even just a few conversions starting they usually freak the fuck out on instinct and refuse to engage (or do so very poorly). Monks are as much a deterrence as they are a real threat.

As for actual monk micro tips, I usually keep them all in one control group. When an enemy group approaches I first task them all on one unit, then ctrl-click one or more of the monk portraits to drop them out of the selection and click another target. With <10 monks you can easily get them each converting a different target in just a few seconds. With huge monk masses I just do a lot of small box selections or something. You also only need to convert half of the enemy group for it to be a decisively victorious battle, so perfect micro isn't even super important.

>>2370826
>TheJeetmaster dragging his team down once again
Why do you always have the lowest score on your team?

>>2370742
Why the fuck would you want to play the same fucking civs every game? Boy I sure do love Spanish mirror, Turks mirror. I miss Hun Wars. Oh look another X mirror matchup on Arabia, just what I wanted to play today!

>>2370855
Have you considered that people maybe want to play as their home country?

>>2370869
Go make a custom lobby if you want to larp.

>nooo people should play how I want
I'm not going to play your third world civs :)

>>2370758
And there was a successful bayonet charge in Afghanistan.
That doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of pre-modern battles were decided by melee combat, anon.

Any age4 bros here? I can't play my new job takes too much time.

>>2370758
Which means we can still use the Genie engine for Age of Empires V!

How do you even cope with your civ having an ugly castle?

>>2371023
By modding it. I've given the Roman castle to the Italians and the Briton castle to the Burgundians because I couldn't stand looking at their default ones. Also replaced western European Keep with the Tower of Flies model.

>>2371023
My favorite civs have great looking castles, I can't relate.

>>2371142
oh you main vietnamnese and bohemians?

>>2371144
Those look great but I like playing burmese, bulgarians, malay, turk, ethiopians and koreans.

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I was looking foward on how an opening between 2 meso civs would play it, but in the end I had to fend off an autistic trush instead of facing something actually intresting
Once again, atlat skirms, monks and pure attrition warfare wins the day

>>2371152
Skirms are the best unit in the game. They should get nerfed.

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>>2371162
>They should get nerfed
Why tho?
I mean in the early game, yes I get where you come from, but in late game, nah mate that aint it
Arbalests are still incredibly oppressive imho

Tomorrow Hera loses...surely

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>>2371186
>t.

>berber and poles dark age villager bonus nerfed cuz pro players lost to a meme strat
>market nerfed because pro players lost to a meme strat
>siege tower nerfed cuz pro players lost to a meme strat
What's next? petards nerfed? persian tc nerfed?

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I’m not taking my force pick off. I’m force pick o’toole.

>>2371284
to be fair, siege towers got buffed like 5 times to absurd degrees before pros finally started using them as APCs, which was terrible and not intended.

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>>2369983
>Champi
Toss-up between Muisca & Inca: Muisca don't have Blast Furnace & Arson, which sucks ass, but Herbalism makes them so damn fun while Inca are cheap and get everything PLUS extra armour
>Slinger
Same as before, though Inca have an edge because the minimum range removal means they don't scatter when the infantry can touch them, though Muisca are probably better in trash wars due to spammability
>Castle UU
Muisca. Guecha Warriors are fun and what Rattan Archers should've been
>Secondary UU
Bolas Riders are great, just because of their speed and accuracy. I don't even give a fuck about the slow-down attack, Bolas are just excellent raiders
>Settlement
Tupi, bar none. Mapuche are good to add a bit of extra firepower, but Villager survival is crucial
>Castle UT
Muisca. I'm not an archerfag but it's about damn time a civ had a speed bonus for them
>Imperial UT
Mapuche is fun
>Castle design
none lmao
>Wonder
Probably Muisca because it's a proper temple instead of a house on some mountain

>>2371327
>Guecha Warriors are fun and what Rattan Archers should've been
statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

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>>2369983
>Champi
Muisca, fast and very armored meatshield, can use them as pseudo cavalry
>Slinger
Dont care for those
>Castle UU
Muisca UU, it sheer damage output fucks up cavalry really good
>Secondary UU
None really
>Settlement
I only like the Muisca one due the healing aura, otherwise I dont like settlements, it's wood cost is prohbitive, I'd rather have ox carts or regular drop off buildings
>Castle UT
Muisca Herbalism, haha champis goes vroom vroom
>Imperial UT
Tupi poison damage
>Castle design
Muisca or Inca
>Wonder
None

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IT'S HERE
>Matches
Round 1
Today
>Sebastion vs. TheViper
>MBL vs. Mr.Yo
>Lierrey vs. ACCM
>Hera vs. Hearttt
>Streams
https://www.twitch.tv/redbull
https://www.twitch.tv/jordan_aoe
https://www.twitch.tv/ornlu_aoe
https://www.twitch.tv/membtv
https://www.twitch.tv/t90official

>technical issues for 19 minutes
This is the last Redbull.

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AoE3 bros is it our time?

>>2367282
The trick with leaving garrison and entering again only to be limited by keystroke/APM defines as exploit. There should be cooldown to prevent from such juggling.
As for the rest of accusations, I rest my case.

>>2371459
viper gets to be humiliated again by seb in the very first round

>>2371459
Why are they playing BO5 in group stage instead of playing all 5?

>>2371459
Ornlu and TWest duo cast for peak comfy autism

>>2371459
>Viper farming score with SO for 40 minutes

>>2371486
OH NO NO NO

noob here, i want to get into this game, which build order should i practice as mongols? i looked up online guides and they were kind of hard to understand as a newbie

>>2371518
You should play something like Byzantines or Magyars who have no eco bonus and practice a standard 18-19 pop scout rush or archer rush build order.

>>2371519
oh sounds nice, i just picked mongols because they're popular in culture

I have not seen someone get this buckbroken by mangonels since my last ranked game holy shit

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>>2371486

based wallGOD

Viper-Bros?

Viper-Bros!

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>>2371559
Yes?

>>2371486
hey anon where are ya? Anon are ya still here, cunt?

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I don't get it, why does MBL (who landed on Yo's island as soon as the game started, for context) retreat away from the tower with the m@a? I'm fairly sure the right side vills are not in range of the TC

Finally some chaotic round.

>>2371582
Pros are extremely stupid using early MAAs, they'd rather lose them running away than lose them dealing damage to buildings.

>>2371486
>viper gets to be humiliated again by seb in the very first round
Give me back my money, asshole

How do you rate casters /aoeg/?

ACCM TIME

>larry still banning all DLC civs
KING

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>>2371618

Loch Ness is such a dogshit map goddamn

>>2371632
I like it, just because ACCM plays on after he's lost doesn't mean the map is bad.

>>2371617
nvm i wanna cry

That was a SAD sweep. I feel bad for ACCM. Completely outclassed...

Is the new aoe4 Asian dlc worth it?
I only have the uhhhh the Byzantium one

>Memb Dave cast
Kino
Proper kino

>Crossbows counter Skirms

>>2371709
more like
>skirmtard dives repeatedly trying to kill Bengali monks with fucking skirms

>>2371694
Is it me or has membs accent gotten much easier to understand?

>>2371764
it's not just you he's been practicing.
a year or two ago he was entirely impossible to comprehend.

>>2371284
I don't want villager wars on arabia, that is cancer
The market was always too strong, now players have to build actual economy
Siege Tower is fine, fire lancer was the problem
>>2371327
>Toss-up between Muisca & Inca: Muisca don't have Blast Furnace & Arson, which sucks ass, but Herbalism makes them so damn fun while Inca are cheap and get everything PLUS extra armour
A shame mapuche lacks a lot of barracks techs, I would say Tupi has some stuff going for their champis as well, and theoretically food + gold discounts are better than food discounts,
>>2371582
You take a bunch of damage going towards the tower and you are going to have to retreat as soon as the first archer is out, suiciding army underneath a tower is very noob.
>>2371610
Except it really is a bad idea because 1 villager repairing completely negates all that damage, it would be a better idea to camp around his own tower and keep it up

>>2371823
>You take a bunch of damage going towards the tower
That's not what happened
>he lands with m@a and vills and immediately starts building a tower
>mbl reacts with some quickwalls (you can see the half-destroyed palisade) to wall out the m@as who were literally hugging the gold pile
>eventually mbl starts towering
>Yo immediately leaves
I don't have the replay at hand, but I doubt it was an optimal play, honestly

>>2371823
1 villager repairing is spending resources.
1 maa walking around taking arrows means your resources thrown in the trash.

>>2371764
>Is it me or has membs accent gotten much easier to understand
Pretty sure Redbull is using AI. They have the money