Stop me if you heard this before but we went two more months without updates.TNO devs have taken down some of these links. Will audit them once the leaks slow down.https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Leaked build footage. Nearly finished and scrapped Italy, very unfinished Germany/US reworks and more.https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus - BiliBili leak video repository.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart (never releasing).https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 roundtable notes. Germany never.https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 roundtable notes. Bleak.https://files.catbox.moe/9320n5.pdf - Japan rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdf - Japan Funada Design Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdf - France proposal. Nearly 200 pages, fucked by DV.https://files.catbox.moe/omzl7q.png - France flowchart. Resistance is dead.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev has finally stopped posting here.https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. We lost Pakt Sweden for this OTL-fest.https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne Insurrection proposal. Cut.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: A dev is made to justify why his own proposal got cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Three years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Red Italy proposal. Rest in peace, you were too good for this mod.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.
>>2374375Sorry, couldn't think of a new meme.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - VP flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP Hawaii crisis.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - VP Wallace tree.https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - VP Goldwater tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf - Yorty Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework leak, Republicans weren't evil enough.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events leak.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - 200p wall of text about Colombian soccer mechanics.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.
>>2374375New leaks from the last thread, will be sorted later.https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework. Do not share!https://files.catbox.moe/v47bjy.png - Reagan tree.https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic...?https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern 54 page campaign document.https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart. Cringey.https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.https://files.catbox.moe/7nxnlv.png - Finland re-re-rework. Dev reads the thread.https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/f9vryd.png - Full Iberia flowchart. Releasing December 2025.https://files.catbox.moe/p77eoj.png - Iberia stuff #2.https://files.catbox.moe/hfk4zw.png - Iberia stuff #3.https://files.catbox.moe/rwnlai.png - Iberia stuff #4.https://files.catbox.moe/td9n9k.png - Iberia stuff #5.https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart. 4chan wins again.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.https://files.catbox.moe/tkxwrq.png - Moscowien rework #13.https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - Partial Italy rework #10+ flowchart.
>>2374375>LEAKED BUILDSDon't let them erase history. Added 2025 builds.2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuohttps://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions Endhttps://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Webhttps://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branchhttps://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides2025:https://mega.nz/file/zlZxGZyD#VPPY81gjxfLz7q7ehZ-wKhiw8Dd7eQm9m7M1JRFSLIA - US rework branch.https://mega.nz/file/v5pkzT4Q#YGc0xHjf5ypdI8ccky7fL06lS9fnMLSoqqE2MUSqeWc - Turkey branch.Anons have requested the old DV leaks. If you still have the content from them, please repost them as the TNO jannies shut it down.Anons have also requested a full Hall chart or document leak. Please share if you have them.
>>2374375>DEAD MOD NEWS>TNO suffers its biggest leak since 2024 with multiple Git branches, flowcharts and documents being released to the public.>Iberia's update has been delayed by two more months, reportedly stalled.>Mango has promised to step down as Fuhrer of TNO once the US rework is complete.>Dev claims that Mango is siphoning resources from other teams to finish the US rework while most of the mod remains unplayable.>US rework internally scheduled for a Q4 2026-Q1 2027 release.>Earlier leak confirm that Germany will pull a Haiti and just nuke Gorky for some reason.>Competency crisis: Devs claim they can't push updates because unfinished Iberia content is still on master, can't operate a Git.>TNO fixes its naval bug and thus becomes barely playable more than a hundred days after the reduxes fixed this issue.>Italy rework revived along with Red Italy after years of inactivity.>Team member/leaker alleges that the old Italy lead was shadowbanned. Unproven, treat it accordingly.>4chan successfully bullies TNO's head janny Kateryna into reworking several of his tags.>TNO jannies once again confirmed to frantically F5 this thread in an effort to ban leakers from Discord.>Leaker anons claim to have multiple more flowcharts and builds.>TFO lost its main coder but eventually regained one meaning that we may receive new island teasers in the future.>Anons discover that the TNO TV Tropes page pre-emtpively write as if their reworks have released leading to many a laugh.>REAL MOD NEWS>PNO, the true successor to TNO, releases a teaser for its post-Plankton warlord era content in "Shifting Tides".>Rises Again starts work on a Dengist Speer update.>Rises Again pledges to reverse Pacifica's decision to remove Vladimir Putin from the timeline, will be a character in their mod.>Requiem releases a warlord intro for Berezniki.
>>2374380ADDENDUM TO REQUESTS: TNO: Rises Again is looking for icon artists that know how to work using TNO's Panzer-era style. There, now you won't have to repost it.
>>2374383I'd just like to clarify that Putin will play a very minor role in an edge scenario, he takes over Beloretsk if Russia collapses after losing the 2WRW, and his portrait is dependent on the ideology that unified Russia. This is his current communist portrait, but without the hat it'll also be the portrait for most warlords. New hat being made for this portrait.>>2374388Seconding this.
>>2374392And a guide on clothing colors like the ones for colorizing clothes as parts of portrait would also be appreciated.
>>2374392>Tons of Putins based on who you lost asThat's a pretty funny Easter egg.
>>2374392Terrible portrait. The angle, pose and lighting of the hat don't match him at all.
>>2374383The wanton nuking like with Haiti, Gorky, etc is pretty kino imo. Shows that there's disregard for collateral damage and civilian lives and reminds of the Panzer era
>>2374375forgot the slovakia flowchart https://files.catbox.moe/qn8otq.png
>>2374401This has been said before. It's sadly not intentional kino though, you're meant to feel sad about how evil everyone the dev disagrees with are. It's more like how Emperor Nixon is likely going to be incredibly funny despite just being a prolonged TDS meltdown.
>>2374401You just know it's them taking the wrong lesson from Requiem. >THE CHUDS LIKE NUKES?>WE NUKED HAITI AND GORKY ARE YOU HAPPY NOW CHUDS
I'm going to say it again. It is really INTERESTING how irrelevant Nazi Germany being the world's superpower seems to be for the leaked plans of the US/Central America, at best you get a reheated >"his plan is to defeat THE SOVIETSwas-" that they word swap with the word fascism, other than that, the presence of Nazi Germany and their supposed, possible influence doesn't matter at allThey got in so deep of showcasing the evils of Cold War Amerika and their evil deeds and the upheaveals of the 1960s that they quite literally lost the plot of Germany winning WW2
>>2374405Funny if true. I doubt it since they've done a lot of heavy handed moralizing before it released but you can't rule it out.>>2374407It's because nudevs just want to write about their own personal politics.
>>2374380>Anons have requested the old DV leaks. If you still have the content from them, please repost them as the TNO jannies shut it downDV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btwhttps://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png Ugandahttps://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png Kenyahttps://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png Zanzibarhttps://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png Liberiahttps://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png South Africa+ picrel as catbox somehow corrupts this particular picture
>>2374392Vladimir's Seed & Feed, Formerly Panzer's.
>>2374416The cap if you wanna use it for any of your projects. Keep in mind these portraits were made were Photoshop instead of paint.net>Why?Just because I felt like it
>>2374411>DV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btwYou better explain your reasoning.
>>2374420nayrt but hear me out: It completely killed the mod and made laughing at TNO go mainstream. Its announcement alone gave us more entertainment than anything they've released (short list I know) since Guangdong.
I've seen mentions of the 1980 USA candidates being already decided on the last thread, does anybody know who are they?
>>2374420Already explained, main reason is that im not a complete retard that likes the current state of Africa and unrealism in general.>>2374424Thanks for including people with trans flags in bio and that one mexican guy speaking broken english.
>>2374411>DV is one of the best things that ever happened with TNO btwCrazy how the only people to get and leak shit are the ones smart enough to like DV.
>>2374429>unrealismBut TNO's definition of realism is retarded and constantly shifting.The team's idea of what realism is varies about as wildly as a woman's mood. To Lam, Germany's sphere being unbreakable is le realism. To kateryna, Sweden, despite being surrounded by German puppets or allies, never deviating from the OTL Social Democrats or conservatives and also being allowed to set up a nuclear program without panzers driving into Scania is le realism. To Mango, a random republican activist who had no Presidential ambitions being elected and then becoming a fascist, and the US nuking Haiti when they could easily win a conventional war in a couple days is le realism. To whoever took over the Russia team after Corn went AWOL, Russia suddenly becoming tired when it hits almost its OTL boundaries and then relying on "conditionally loyal" Balt, Caucasian and Ukrainian partisans (which can somehow fight Germany and win at that point, whereas if Ukraine wins earlier, a non-canon nuke is dropped on Kyiv and it immediately folds) is le realism.Realism means [thing the lead in question likes].DV doesn't think about butterfly effects or even basic cause and effect. [Thing] happened in OTL so it will happen in TNOTL. The laziest, historical deterministic shit you've ever seen.
You now remember>chilean antarctica
>>2374416Formerly Yeltsin's. I regret to inform you that the Vlad Tamzarian portrait will not be making an official appearance in TNO:RA
>>2374431Nobody would even give a shit about DV if Calph wasn't personal friends with Mango who can whip every other team into accepting it being shoved down their throats, forcing them to further rework their reworks. It would rightfully be mocked as babby's first submod.
>>2374392Full Putin path when?
>>2374431Yeah because all devs that aren't shills for DV got purged. We know this.>>2374432Your realism ends where a lead dev's politics begins.
>>2374433You now remember>the lolsuit threat against the wiki
>>2374392Nobody cares about your shitty submod ugly ass portrait.
Italy flowchart guy my offer still stands if you want to reach me via discord my name thingy is doctoragor.
>>2374452lol calm down
>>2374452>Be a salty TNO dev>Doesn't even know what a submod is
>>2374432>Germany's sphere being unbreakable is le realismIt is breakable. Romania, Sweden, Finland, etc.>Sweden, despite being surrounded by German puppets or allies, never deviating from the OTL Social Democrats or conservativesWhy would people living in a stable democracy deviate to the extremist ideologies?>being allowed to set up a nuclear program without panzers driving into Scania is le realismTheir nuclear program is being conducted in a total secrecy. Its being revealed during a Kampfzeit, when the german leadership is disunited and doesnt control the army. Nukes are insanely easy to produce, so whoever comes on top will meet a sufficient nuclear arsenal.>To Mango, a random republican activist who had no Presidential ambitions being elected and then becoming a fascistI dont know much about US politics as im not ftom the US, but judging by her Wikipedia page she sounds like a prominent conservative activist. And she wont become a fascist.>when they could easily win a conventional war in a couple daysThey couldnt, because the US never wants to commit itself into a conventional war. Thats why Vietnam, Korea, Nicaragua, etc were all losses. Nuke is a cheap and easy way to win any war without full commitment.>DV doesn't think about butterfly effects or even basic cause and effectMost parts of Africa have a different starting situation from OTL, not even mentioning the outcome.
>>2374486We know it's you, Kateryna. You always come here to defend your own and your friends "work" in your usual style whenever they get leaked and made fun of for being terrible. Go back to your Devcord, shit like pretending that DV isn't just pure otlism and that nuking Haiti is strategically sound are just dead giveaway that you're an arch-dev.
Can't believe that the most conservative path in Mango's TNO is fucking Goldwater plus Schafly. At least Universal Segregation Wallace plus Schafly made sense as the third worst possible ending, but this is ridicolous.
>>2374378> UK re-reworkthat's the same chart thats been floating around here for 2 years
>>2374510i think Schlafly only being a reaction to a particularly liberal candidate like Burton or JFK makes sense. Goldwater also works bc according to the yippie doc he's basically repeatedly giving evangelicals the middle finger by his second term
>>2374514Also before i forget, apparently TMT's scope is being expanded to include some ukraine stuff?
>>2374486hi Katkill yourself
>>2374522>Ukraine lead got purged and Kat did a hostile takeoverBleak
>>2374514It's an expansion of the old thing with some tweaks. It's only extraordinary in how much time Frost pissed away to do so little.>>2374522>The nanny is reworking the entire reich sphere by himself at this point lmao. Since you're reading this: you better let factions other than the RK win.
>>2374531At least it's a sign of life from the Ukraine team i guess.
>>2374486>It is breakable. Romania, Sweden, Finland, etc.ALL OF THE THINGS YOU'RE WORKING ON YOU RETARDED TRANNYIF ANYONE ELSE WHO WASN'T BUTTBUDDIES WITH THE LEADS PROPOSED SUCH A THING THEY'D BE STEAMROLLED BY LAMFUCK YOUFUCK YOUR FIEF-BASED DEVELOPMENT CYCLEFUCK YOUR RETARDED FASCINATION WITH BORING ASS SOCIAL DEMOCRATS AND CONSERVATIVESFUCK SWIGGERS
>>2374538No, this is a sign that Ukraine content will be nonstop coal going forward (also maybe Ukraine Nuke will get removed now because Kat is friends with Lam)
>>2374486So how does your arrangement with Lam work?Do you send him images of your dick saying its your pussy or sum? Or why does he give you so much freedom while noone else gets it.Did you promise to suck his dick when the estrogen "therapy" is over?
>>2374538>Last lead dead>New lead is the most hated guy on the teamFuck it, bring back Corn. All is forgiven. We were wrong. We didn't know how good we had it. At least he was fun.
>>2374548nayrt but the way it works on the team is way more simple. Friends of leads get it their way, people who aren't don't. You just need to be involved with the ascendant circle. I don't think it's even structured in any way, they just do these things instinctively. Because most of them are teens or just about. It's not complicated why you get highschool drama politics.
>>2374544I just meant that they're actually getting something in TMT after being presumed dead, no comment on what comes after
TNO: Rises Again Dengist Speer toozer
>>2374522What's TMT?>>2374566Based. I think having the red focus line cut between the branches is an interesting choice.
>>2374489>>2374526>>2374542>>2374548Its funny how it takes one white man with a triple digit iq making a basic conclusion to trigger 4 retarded shitskins with this one post only.
>>2374574iberia update, The Modern Tordesillas
>>2374582At least you're admitting that YWNBAW. Brave move for a janny.
>>2374566Oooh shiny
>>2374584>Delayed again >Now merged with a Ukraine rework It's dead. Just pull the plug already. Worst part is that Iberia at least looked ok.
>>2374542Autistic sperging.
>>2374588Eh, the mechanic they're adding was already finished development wise. Maybe I'm coping but it shouldn't slow it down too much
>>2374592Just a few pieces of Brazil loc left.V&J in 2025.Iberia is in fine tuning.
>EaW's April Fools event has more content than anything TNO has put out since GuangdongWhen is this mod going to get put out of it's misery?
>>2374594>V&J in 2025. Damn I’m going to need some serious transportation to get the update then
>>2374407In some ways I think it makes sense that Nazi Germany wouldn't be too involved in Latin American affairs. The racial nature of the regime, plus its belief in autarky means in most cases they probably wouldn't bother trying to fuck around in LatAm. That would be more Japan and the Iberian Union.I think the main place Germany would both fucking around with would be Venezuela, just to have access to the oil there just in case.
>>2374486>They couldnt, because the US never wants to commit itself into a conventional war.Kat, the US occupied all of Haiti for almost 20 fucking years from the 1910s-1930s most the time with just 100 marines.The USA literally waged and won guerilla wars in Haiti in real life, decades prior to the game taking place.
>>2374653But they barely do anything with it. Germany winning the war is a footnote in the lore most of the time outside of Europe. Not only is new content actively avoiding recognizing the setting of the mod but they're actively removing old content for the same purpose. These are the worst, most creatively bankrupt people ever.
>>2374411Wait a minute, why the fuck is Ghana independent if Britain is a Nazi puppet?You're telling me that fascist Britain still allows Kwame Nkrumah to peacefully leave the empire?Is this version of Nkrumah a warlord? Why the fuck is he still in charge?
>>2374662Because it's good and realism that OTL things happen.
>>2374661That's why Germany owning Africa was so important. Because while it does make sense that the Nazis wouldn't really fuck around with East Asia or the Americas, they need to be involved somewhere for them to actually be a major faction gameplay-wise.Africa was a good place for that. It made a bit of sense, it was a place they'd be able to conquer and would lead into their whole autarky mindset.Plus it's just a naturally horrific image which really makes TNO stand out.Now Germany is essentially going to be a non-factor. They won't have a civil war, won't lose parts of their European sphere, and won't be involved in the stories of literally anywhere else.
>>2374662In all fairness It wasn’t a peaceful exit, Nkrumah launched a domestic revolution that was going to be crushed by a anglo french coalition but it was stoped by the US navy, who decided it would just be better to cut their losses
>>2374670Good point.But if we're getting into the territory of the US stopping the Europeans from influencing Africa, wouldn't both the US and Japan probably ensure all of West Africa be already independent?Because the Vichy French and puppet British won't have any authority, in a Axis victory you'd think the Europeans would have lost practical control over West Africa by 1962
>>2374660It is not like 30 years has passed and things like modern firearms and ideological indoctrination became widespread? Its not like the domestic and foreign policy of the US has changed with more sympathy towards darkies? Fucking moron. Why did France lost to Vietnam when they defeated it in 1874 with only 300 man duh? Must be bad writing. Stupid fucking nigger.>>2374675Revolution in Ghana succeded only because Britain had to deal with uprising at home. Vichy France was intact. Nigerians didnt care to revolt, because Nigeria itself is an artificial country. Britain and France are weak at home, but strong in their colonies, because Germany allows them to be.
>>2374685Kat, the advancing of time makes US control over Haiti easier, not harder.Haiti is a dirt poor island nation with only one neighbor, who doesn't allow border crossings.This means that guerillas would have nowhere to hide, and no way to get more supplies. And they also wouldn't have any meaningful amount of weapons to begin with.France lost in Vietnam since Vietnam is 10 times larger both in population and geography and had a direct land border with nations who could easily smuggle in guns.It and a hypothetical Haitian war would have nothing in common. Hell, Haiti doesn't even real have jungles. The people have already clean-cut their half of the island. Meaning they'd be easily targeted by air power.If you, and the dumbasses on your mod team, think that the US wouldn't be able to control Haiti, then why the fuck would Vichy France and Germany have any shot at controlling Madagascar? A land which is more populous, more large, further away from the homeland of the nations involved, and with worse terrain for an occupying force?
>>2374662in 1956 Britain has a civil war. Ghana breaks free during that. The collab government wins the civil war and begins preparation to retake it. The plan is abandoned when the ofn promises to protect Ghana
>>2374685France lost Vietnam because:1) Japan actively funded rebel movements in Indochina for a large part of WW22) Vietnam is THOUSANDS of Kilometers away from France3) They didnt really lose, they just kinda gave up. Mendes was a staunch enemy of the war, so when he came to power, he basically did all he could to pull out of the region.If Mendes hadnt pulled out and Laniel woulda stayed in power, its not unthinkable that France would have kept its colonial empire for longer, or atleast a neo-colonial version of this.
>>2374717Compare this to Haiti- Noone to fund them- Literally under a thousand km away from MAINLAND USA- Nuking is a step above military intervention, and a much larger commitment. Troops can always be pulled out, buildings repaired, and money payed for reconcilliation. Nukes... not so much. Even now Japan is playing the "but we got nuked twice" card. And thats WITH them being a staunch US ally
>>2374693>Haiti is a dirt poor island nation with only one neighbor, who doesn't allow border crossings.Kat, the uprising starts after Puerto Plata. A good chunk of post-Puerto Plata leaders support it directly or indirectly. Trujillo deports a lot of haitians that join the resistance. Dominican Republic has a relatively weak border, otherwise there wont be any haitians for Trujillo to deal with OTL.>France lost in Vietnam since Vietnam is 10 times larger both in population and geographyRetard, if you didnt know that before, France didnt attack the whole Vietnam, but rather certain areas, controlled by rebels. But wait, how did France won over Vietnam before, despite its size? Must be bad writing again.>Hell, Haiti doesn't even real have jungles. The people have already clean-cut their half of the island. Meaning they'd be easily targeted by air power.This could be a good argument. I see you used your small nigger brain to finally formulate a single decent thought. But even that didnt work in the end. Around 50% of the haitian land in 50s had jungles on it, with massive deforestation happening in 60s due to Trujillo's assasination and opening trade with Dominican Republic.>If you, and the dumbasses on your mod team, think that the US wouldn't be able to control Haiti, then why the fuck would Vichy France and Germany have any shot at controlling MadagascarBelieve me or not, but they could lose it even in current version. And the US could win in Haiti in current version. Nuke is a last resort if you fucked up bad enough. There are also major differences in these countries anti-partisan methods. Do i have to explain it too? Just say that you are retarded enough so i have to keep myself busy with this task.>>2374717>>2374721These are good arguments and i'll answer to them tommorow as im going to sleep.
>>2374735>calling people niggers >defending nuTNO's retardationI get it, you want to nuke black people, and that's valid, but at the same time you shouldn't be defending this slop.
>>2374706>america caring about some sub-saharan shithole enough to risk a shooting war with germanyAnd we're supposed to believe this is realistic, when it's just an excuse to have the OTL guy in power in the OTL state of Ghana
Iberia WILL release.. USA probably WILL release.. Germany MIGHT release.. Italy probably WONT release.. Manchuria WONT release.. Turkey is gone.. UK.. WONT release..
>>2374735>the uprising starts after Puerto Plata. A good chunk of post-Puerto Plata leaders support it directly or indirectly.So?That still doesn't mean that Haitian rebels would be able to be supplied. It does take care of the leadership problem I forgot to mention, but it still leaves a rather small number of militants in a very small and isolated position.>Trujillo deports a lot of HaitiansThe number of Haitians doesn't matter if they don't have guns.>The Dominican Republic border is weakThis is the most unrealistic shit I've ever heard. You think the DR would ever have a porous border with Haiti?Moreover, the DR hates Haiti, always had. The DR government has no reason to ever arm the Haitians nor aid in their rebellion.And even if they decided, for some unknown reason, to supply guns to Haiti, why would the US nuke Haiti instead of just blockading the Dominican Republic? The US successfully blockaded Cuba despite them being backed by the USSR and being a much larger nation. If guns were coming in through the DR, America would easily be able to stop that.>Deforestation hadn't occurred yetThis is a good point, but it's not like jungle combat is impossible. When you have a very limited number of militants who can't get more supply, a prolonged war should be an easy victory for the USA.>The nuke is for if you fuck up the minigame enoughThe nuke is still really dumb. Like ungodly retarded. But it's good to hear that this is just a minigame and not pre-established or inevitable lore.still the minigame should be really easy, because this would logically be a very easy military campaign for America.Yeah but this is still a very small region
>>2374486>Countries use nukes because it's cheaper than deploying one marine brigade to deal with ragtag militias >Nuking Vietnam would've been a winning move>Dealing with random Haitians is the same things as committing yourself to a war economy LMAO you nudevs really are something else. No wonder your mod is this dumb when your devcord echo chamber produces these kinds of internal arguments.
>>2374747America doesn’t care. the alliance with Ghana is out of sheer pragmatism, they would rather a neutral with a chance of becoming friendly Ghana than just another colony of the pakt.
>>2374747>america caring about some sub-saharan shithole enough to risk a shooting war with germany Yeah, that's how cold wars work. The US put a lot of effort to keep shitholes aligned with it otlThis thread sometimes just feels like contrarian central. There are better criticisms than this
>>2374787That's your response to everything. You just handwave away things by saying that people don't care just like when you were saying that Germany wouldn't care about their allies being shot by black nationalists a few threads ago. You're such a lazy, intellectually bankrupt moron. You fallete yourselves in your devcord but nothing you say stand up to scrutiny. You didn't even answer the earlier anons criticism. If anything you strengthened it. If they don't care, why risk a shooting war?>>2374791Nigga no one's risking WW3 over a random African wasteland. The actual hotspots were places that actually had some kind of strategic relevance. People aren't calling this dumb because they're contrarian but because DV and reworking all if Africa on the fly was a terrible idea that caused a myriad of narrative issues for the mod.
>>2374792I never said any of that your confusing me with someone else schizo. When Ghana gains independence in the late 50s Germany is going through an economic crash and a death war against russia. When they get out of said death war they’re not gonna start another one over Ghana of all places. According to your logic why should Germany care about Ghana either? >muh no strategic relevanceGhana allows the u.s. to have greater influence in west africa. In a Cold War every country that can weaken your enemy’s sphere of influence is relevant.
>>2374800IT'S FUCKING GHANA YOU NUDEV RETARD
>>2374814>Ghana existing is stupid because it’s heckin unrealistic!And you’re calling me a nudev? 3/10 ragebait
>>2374792>Nigga no one's risking WW3 over a random African wasteland. The actual hotspots were places that actually had some kind of strategic relevance.The US offering diplomatic support to Ghana is a lot less outlandish that the ground war in Africa between the US and Germany current TNO has. Surely you can see this argument doesn't hold much weight.At any rate, Africa has a massive population and a shit ton of resources to extract. It's very much a place you want in your sphere as a Superpower, and Ghana would allow the US to expand into the rest of the continent.I would call myself DV skeptic cause I don't think nudevs will be able to exploit the new scenario to its full potential, but I don't think it's an inferior set-up to Germany having three TND massive colonies with barely any content
>>2374822It's not unrealistic, it's stupid. These are very different things.>>2374827It's an inferior setup and I'll take their content over the snoozefest you're babbling about because no one gives a shit about Ghana.
All of this shit is because Calph started with mostly-OTL Africa and then worked backwards to justify itIt's all just handwaves that fall apart under closer scrutiny Funny how this applies to most of the shit the nudevs work on
>>2374843It's also pretty funny that Italian Africa is the exception to the OTLism mandate
>>2374717>>2374721>Japan actively funded rebel movements in IndochinaI dont know much about it, but i know for sure that they didnt fund Vietminh as they fought against it. And desu it sounds like a bullshit, cause Indochina was de-facto controlled militarily by Japan since 1940 and politically by Vichy France, their ally. Why would they arm rebels that will attack their own garrisons?>They didnt really lose, they just kinda gave upI mean, thats what losing essentially is. You lose if you cant achieve your goals. France couldnt achieve its goals and therefore lost. Laniel resigned as he realized he couldnt win the war and his successor's decision to cut the losses was backed by the entire parliament. Again, this logic applies only to democratic governments, because they cant afford themselves to wage an unpopular war.>Nuking is a step above military intervention, and a much larger commitmentJapan is the perfect example of what im trying to say. They can only "play a card" with no real consequences. Their political establishment is staunchly pro-american their population is staunchly pro-american too, including ultranationalists, with only communists opposing the US. But they are fucking communists, they would be against the US anyway. Nuking after WW2 was concidered an option by the top US generals such as LeMay and MacArthur so its not an imaginary scenario. The very choice to not use nuke was made by politics and will remain as such with only certain leaders having an opportunity (!) to use them if things get really ugly and nothing else works. And i personally find the scenario of a post-WW2 usage of nukes against minor states interesting enough to explore.Besides, im not here to defend Haiti-Vietnam parallel. Its just an example of a ragtag army defeating a first world power. We can discuss Algerian War as well, because it looks closer to Haiti in terms of geography.
>>2374760>That still doesn't mean that Haitian rebels would be able to be suppliedHow so? I have literally said that they are being directly or indirectly supported by the DR. How doesnt it change their ability to be supplied?>The number of Haitians doesn't matter if they don't have guns.Guns is never a problem as rebels always find a way to have them. It happened in LATAM and Africa multiple times with no clear soviet material support. Niggers in Kenya literally had bows and arrows to fight against GB and it took GB 4 years and concentration camps to deal with them.>You think the DR would ever have a porous border with HaitiIts not a question of what they want or dont want. These are facts on the ground. Both sides of the border are covered by jungles and DR border guard is either corrupt (Trujillo case in particular) or allows haitians to cross the border willingly.>The DR government has no reason to ever arm the Haitians nor aid in their rebellionCommunists will help them because they are communists, Bosh will help them because he is a left wing retard.>why would the US nuke Haiti instead of just blockading the Dominican RepublicThey could. And what would they achieve by that? The US blockaded Cuba, but Cuba was a total loss by itself, so blockade was a damage control measure.>When you have a very limited number of militants who can't get more supply, a prolonged war should be an easy victory for the USAThe longer the war drags the more unpopular it gets the bigger the government willingness to cut its losses become. The prolonged war for democracies is always worse than the swift war. The number of militants is virtually unlimited, because every local is a potential militant and you simply cant kill every local to achieve your goal (with nukes being a comfortable alternative). Look at Iraq. It was under the military occupation for 20 years and there are still militants attacking the US bases there.
>>2374844... And coincidentally, their development is the most fucked and dead out of all the powers.
Nuking Haiti/Gorky is retarded and makes as much sense as a scenario where Reagan ragequits Grenada by nuking the place. It's like swatting flies using dynamite and both scenarios could easily be handled with a single brigade. At least use the nuclear card in a conflict with actual stakes. I think everyone talking about the military merits of nuking the world's poorest, tiniest and most useless shitholes miss the actual point of the act which is to serve as cheap shock value. Both events are only meant to make you feel like the country doing it is bad and nothing else was ever considered.I'm sure you could think of a lot of reasonable use cases in-universe but chief this ain't it and that's deliberate on part of the nudevs.
>>2374877But look at all the mental gymnastics you can do to justify using nukes instead of just sending in the military to make a point about how evil RethugliKKKans and DixieKKKrats are!
>>2374383>4chan successfully bullies TNO's head janny Kateryna into reworking several of his tags.Source?
>>2374909Several of his charts were leaked because the other devs hate him and they include changes to things that /vst/ bullied him over. DESU we probably didn't cause it and is more likely a coincidence but it sounds funny.
>>2374915I think people from the France team helped at least one of the leakers. They've been salty towards the Reich team ever since they were forced to rework again over DV.
>>2374867>I have literally said that they are being directly or indirectly supported by the DR.That is really dumb. Just knowing the region and its culture, there is no circumstance where the DR would arm Haiti.And even if they did, it would be incredibly easy for the US to stop that. America has so much economic influence on the DR that no government would resist an American request/demand to cease the arming of militants.>Guns is never a problem because rebels always find a way to have themHoly ignorance, Batman. There is a massive difference between a small and incredibly impoverished island nation and mainland Latin America. Haiti only has a few sea ports, which would be immediately and fully ceased by the US, and one land border with a nation who wouldn't support them.>The DR's border would be porous because it just would, okay?Well that's dumb. That has always been one of the most guarded and contentious borders on the planet, especially under Trujillo.>Communists will help HaitiWhich communists? TNO barely has any. It's a fascist world where the few remaining socialist states are loosely aligned with the US to fight the axis.>What would be achieved by a blockade of Hispaniola?The end of DR support for Haitian rebels.>What good did the blockade do in Cuba?We didn't have a military fighting in Cuba. If we did, we would have easily been able to destroy that government, or the rebels. We didn't choose to, which meant the regime changed and eventually sided with the USSR, preventing the US from intervening again.When US troops have actually been deployed in the Caribbean, we have always won quickly. We occupied and destroyed all resistance in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Haiti, and the DR during the Banana Wars in the early 20th century. Later we easily overthrew both Trujillo and the government of Grenada. There is no precedent for the US struggling in Caribbean island campaigns.(1/2)
>>2375025contResponding to >>2374867>The longer the war drags, the more unpopular it getsBut the war wouldn't drag. The US, with incredibly limited forces, has won the military campaigns in every direct military intervention in a Caribbean island in barely any time at all.Now would the occupation become unpopular? Yes. It was in real life when he occupied Haiti for 19 years. The only reason we stayed that long was because we managed to hold the island together with only 100 marines, which made it easily ignorable, but we did eventually leave.This gets to another issue with the nuking, there is just no reason to.If America had a quagmire in Haiti and we wanted out, we'd just leave. Haiti is a really irrelevant impoverished island nation. This isn't Cuba which was a powerful island which sided with our main geopolitical enemy, this would be a much smaller rogue state we would have little investment in.>Look at IraqThis is a terrible comparison.Iraq is 16 times the size of Haiti and over 4 times the population. Plus Iraq is a nation with huge ethnic and religious divides, a major religious subgroup which views war as holy, and is surrounded by neighbors which either harbor warlords or rich sheiks who would support religious terrorists.Haiti is a homogenous island nation used to dictatorships. When we left Haiti, the guys we propped up continued to run the island for 15 years.
>>2375025nayrt but:>Which communists? TNO barely has any. It's a fascist world where the few remaining socialist states are loosely aligned with the US to fight the axis.This isn't true. This SHOULD be true, but for some reason far-left ideologies including communism are still relevant, popular and important in TNOTL. Most of this boils down to lazy otlism that ignores that Germany won WW2 (many such cases) like Mexico and elsewhere like in Britain they can become far more powerful, important and relevant than even the premise would justify because the Britain lead is a pretend-communist.Good post overall. What I think ayrt is getting to is that there would be some kind of international brigade type of deal like you had in the Spanish Civil War for the Republicans, but I just don't see it happening. Even then, could you imagine seeing something of the scale of the fervor that you had for the Spanish cause in the 30s be replicated for some Caribbean Marxists, let alone enough to even pose a hypothetical threat to US marine presence? Don't think so. So even with communists being a thing, that argument is moot not just because of the cause but because getting there involves making it across the entire Atlantic ocean, evading the US navy and coast guard, and then landing in one of the country's few functioning ports without being detained by marines.
New TNO:RA Dengist tree toozer, focus loc is done and actual scripting and event writing is next
>>2375063>RA made by one guy probably gets playable Speer content for the 70s out years before TNO itself does despite being made by hundreds over yearsIt's not pretty, it's not perfect, but I'll take it.
>>2375067RA is not made by just one person anymore though, its a proper sized team (and still pretty sloppy all around very very honestly)Still better than TNO though
>>2375110Really? Can't be that big anyway. Even if it's a handful of people it's still impressive that they managed to get the old version working and then add more content than the TNO devs do. I realize that it isn't a 1:1 comparison but honestly I prefer their more KR/early TNO era content to GUI minigame extravaganzas... That never release and mostly concern third world countries I don't care about.
>>2375067>>2375110>>2375120The TNO:RA team is only a handful of people, with most of them working off on their own projects solo. There's one guy working on Japan, another guy who intermittently gives updates every few months who's working on Italy and the wider Italian sphere + France, Goodwinson who's working on Gang of Four Germany, and another guy who's working on Dengist Speer. The writing in the Dengist Speer path is much more verbose and long than standard RA content like Heydrich, almost to a fault.
>>2375137The other mutually exclusive focus, these focuses are on the shorter side of descriptions FYI
So what's the current outlook for the future of TNO? when do y'all expect TMT to release? you guys think we'll get Yippe! Q4 2026-Q1 2027?It can't be all bleak right?
>>2375152>FutureWe're in the USSR and it's 1990.>TMTIt was supposed to release around the turn of the year. I have no idea. Sometime this quarter, maybe?>US rework this yearI'd sooner bet on peace in the Middle East.
>>2375155If only the devs were competent enough to put out some large updates that could give them so legitimacy. They need to release TMT soon to buy them more time and then shift development to Yippe! and DV and get those out by Q1 2027 IMO. after that maybe they would have more people on the dev team who are competent and maybe have different devs in charge so something like recent TNO doesn't happen again.
>>2375166>DV>Giving them legitimacy>Replacing Mango with Lamounier & Co>Improving things>TMT rehash of 5 years old content>Making anyone care
Was TMT actually supposed to come out in December?I know they definitely didn't mention anything about that on the discordWas there some internal memo saying that it comes out in December?
>>2375179There was never an official release date but they were hoping to release it in December or January. This kept being pushed forward, and the teasers for Iberia roughly indicate when they were optimistic for a release "soon". Right now we're in Brazil territory. Honestly it's not that crazy and things get delayed all the time. I think people just shit on TNO more because you just know there was some clique drama that made it worse.
>>2375197Nah, TNO is being shit on because delays are CONSTANT.Every update got major delays.
>>2375235Other mods also have lots of delays. I think it's because of all the reworks. KR fans? They have new 3I content to look forward to, delayed forever. TFR fans? Lots of new ACW unifiers, also delayed several times. TNO? African skeletons, island skeletons, GUI minigames, no map painting, entire original roadmap abandoned and replaced with Fiji. See what I mean? It's not just that it's delayed it's that what they're delaying isn't even what most people want.
It's not just a mod, it's a deprogramming tool.
>>2375039With Mexico there's the issue of Mexico in TNOtl not being revolutionary really. Mexico both in real life and in TNO, had moved way to the right by the 1960s, so they wouldn't be wont to support a revolutionary government in Haiti.And while yeah there would be plenty of Latin American marxists who would like to support Haitian rebels, you have the issue of the ports. How would these people send their money/supplies/soldiers to Haiti, when the US would immediately cease every port?
>>2375025>Just knowing the region and its culture>most guarded and contentious bordersEvery 10th dominican is a haitian immigrant. Not even counting 2nd generation citizens with haitian ancestry. Every 3rd newborn is a haitian. Listen, buddy, the fact that their population presumably doesnt like niggers doesnt mean their leadership doesnt too.>America has so much economic influence on the DR that no government would resist an American request/demand to cease the arming of militants>muh american blockade means no gooderinos and their gdprino will suffer and they will surrenderCome on, what are you a boomer?>There is a massive difference between a small and incredibly impoverished island nation and mainland Latin AmericaNo, there is literally no difference. Who the fuck knows how sandinists, MR 13, colombians and other latinx rebels got their guns? They had no ports, no clear soviet aid, they were hiding in some fucking jungles all the time. They took it from the government by attacking police stations, army warehouses, thats how.>Which communistsDo you really believe that the fall of the USSR means the end of the communist ideology? Thats what i call ignorance.>It's a fascist worldFortunately, it changes to make the US forpol more nuanced. There are pro-US leftists, anti-US leftists, pro-US dictatorships, anti-US dictatorships. Take OTL Trujillo and Batista for instance. They were deposed by the US (worst CIA mistakes btw), despite being ideologically closer to the US than to the USSR. There are and will be frictions between US and leftists in general.>We didn't have a military fighting in CubaRight, so having or not having the blockade is irrelevant as we are talking about military usage.>during the Banana WarsI already told you, these are not Banana Wars, everything changed. War has changed. 10 years ago there were no drones and now ukranian and russian armies are nearly equal thanks to them, now orange retard begs Iran for ceasefire thanks to them.
>>2375381>Do you really believe that the fall of the USSR means the end of the communist ideology? Not having any major or even middling power back it will reduce the reach and influence of the ideology and if you can't understand that that speaks volumes to the mentality of the team. It doesn't have to fully die to lose any major power projection.
>>2375030>But the war wouldn't dragWell, you mentioned the prolonged war.>in every direct military intervention in a Caribbean islandThere were 2 post-WW2 military interventions in the Carribean as far as i know: DR and Grenada. None of these included anti-partisan operations.>If America had a quagmire in Haiti and we wanted out, we'd just leaveYes, leave. Stop acting like nuking is inevitable. Dont nuke if you dont want to. You can lose, you can withdraw your forces, you can win, you can make peace talks, you can nuke. Its an option, an option if you want to win but cant.>This is a terrible comparison.Yes, but you forgot a little nuance: these athnic groups were actually pro-american untill the occupation started. Why do you think haitian niggers would like it? Their homogenity is actually makes the occupation harder, not easier. As for territory and population comparisons, im not sure that the US would use the same amount of forces on Haiti, not even mentioning that Iraq was a joint NATO operation.>used to dictatorshipsUnlike Iraq.>>2375385So they would exist, am i right, retard? Similar to post-USSR FARC, Shining Path, stuff like this.
>>2375390Existing isn't the same thing as thriving or having meaningful relevance, don't try to use weasel terms on me.
>>2375393Does waging a partisan war counts as "having meaningful relevance"? Yes it does. Now shut the fuck up nigger.
>>2375403>calls everyone a nigger as an insult>also believes Haitian nigger guerillas would be enough of a threat to the US military that it justifies fucking nuking Haiti
>>2375403Not by itself, no. You shouldn't be so smugly confident when you barely even understand the concepts you're try to talk about. An insurgency actually has to achieve something for it to matter and that's not going to happen as easily if the ideology is functionally dead and doesn't have any state power anywhere in the world. The fact that you use post-USSR movements like FARC as an example is just embarrassing too and you should feel ashamed of yourself for grasping at straws like this to justify the communist insurgency in Haiti being so big and bad it needs nukes to be put down. For starters, the USSR existing and propping up its ideology for fifty years isn't the same thing as communism being destroyed in its infancy and counter-insurgency in half of a tiny island isn't the same thing as fighting one in a country that's nearly twice the size of Texas. It's just one false equivalence after another with you, isn't it?
>>2375406But, goy, you don't NEED to nuke haiti, you can just give up instead of sending in the Marines :^)
>>2375406With all respect i have for you retard (none), im not sure that you even understand how hold a discussion. You are trying to make an argument and im successfully making a counterargument, an then you start crying about "muh its not identical to Haiti". Stupid fucking nigger you wont find two identical situations anywhere in the world as there are no identical things in nature. For starters, the third most important person in the US economy became communist at least in 1939 and somehow 20 years of existing was enough. Im sure niggers on some fucking island will be more stubborn to accept this ideology.
>>2375412If you don't understand why exhibit A being a hundred times larger than exhibit B matters then congrats, you somehow lack cognitive functions that most toddlers have. And again, you keep using examples that are invalidated by the mod's timeline. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised when the mod is riddled with so many other cases like Mexico and heaps of DV where the fall of the USSR is less than an afterthought as far as it's impact on the alt history. But yes, keep throwing around slurs like we care. We know you devs like to treat /vst/ as a Doki where you get to use the scary no-no words you moralize against others for using on Discord.
>>2375426Keep calling me a dev, as you clearly running out of arguments.
TNO:RA Putin portrait if Taboritsky was defeated in the 2WRW.
>>2375435None of which you ever bothered to address with anything more than lazy deflections in your desperate attempts to justify the Haiti nuke being anything other than comedy gold. Suffer, dev.
>>2375435>bro I'm not a dev bro here's why Mango's retardation is actually good
>>2375461I gave a compelling counterarguments to basically everything thats why your small nigger brain gave up and started this bullshit. Cope harder buddy.
>>2375439Larp for someone's tabby fanfiction
>>2375503You didn't, though. All you're doing is appeals to OTL and calling people racial slurs you wouldn't get away with on any official TNO platform... to defend niggers. Why are you calling people niggers in order to defend Haitian niggers?
>>2375545You complete and utter moron, we are discussing realism and what do you think realism is? Of course you have to compare TNOTL events to OTL to define what sounds real and what doesnt. Fucking retard, im done with your stupidity, you dont deserve my reply.
>>2375503You didn't. You just appealed to OTL while ignoring every single timeline change and used false equivalences like comparing the tiny shithole of Haiti to the vastness of Colombia and pretended that these were 1:1 comparisons and then simply declared victory while calling people names whenever you got pushback. You're behaving exactly like we've come to expect of you devs.
>>2375558>what do you think realism isWhatever the leads say it is, you bozo.The fucking Nazis lost WW2 in our timeline. You can't just compare shit from OTL to an Axis victory timeline and expect them to make sense because there's an Elefant in the room.
>>2375558And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why TNO is as stupid as it is. This guy doesn't even understand that the realism of our world isn't applicable to TNO. If the entire timeline changes then no you can't just lazily copy-paste shit from Wikipedia and call it a day. It's exactly this kind of mentality that has led to you just bolting on OTL Africa onto an Axis victory timeline.
>he unironically thinks tno's 'realism' is actually realism and not a combination of the devs pushing their own personal politics and them being lazy enough to copy shit from wikipedia
>>2375439Tabby russia won't instantly collapse after unification?
>>2375588Tabby Russia can avoid collapse after unification, but I'm not sure if it's an AI path since Goodwinson made it. Tabby unifying Russia is basically a player only path anyways, but yes, Tabby's ministers can fake his death and later launch the 2WRW and potentially lose it, and if they do Putin will get this portrait as a post-collapse warlord.As a bonus, Hyperborean AB portrait.
>>2374375Complete TNO newfag, found out about the mod few weeks ago, can anyone suggest what countries to play? I have finished Burgundy and I am trying Germany now, any other suggestions? But reading the threads I see a depressing picture of the mods future and Burgundy being threatened to be removed which I hope doesn't happen.
>>2375785Burgundy isn't particularly good or fun to play desu, so you've got the best ahead of you. Reccomend playing Guangdong, a Russian Warlord (Komi, Kemerovo and Amur are all good imo) and Brazil have good decade long content. USA is also fine and Britain if you don't mind it being short and blueballing you
>>2375785Burgundy along with most old content is being removed or replaced. The tl;dr is that the mod was hijacked. The current leads purged everyone that created what made the mod popular and it's been in a total dev hell since then while they frantically remove content. You're recommended to unsub from the "main" mod and play one of the reduxes instead. TNO: Rises Again is a mod that keeps all the old stuff including Atlantropa and builds on that while TNO: Requiem tries to add content to a 2024 build and it's a middle ground between the two. Sorry to break it to you but shit's fucked and TNO would be dead if it wasn't for these fan preservation projects.As for tags to play: all Russian warlords are worth playing but some are better than others. Komi is very varied and fun, Amur and Kemerovo have great writing, you can honestly find lots of good qualities in all of them. Guangdong is also highly recommended if you want to get into the economics of the mod with an interesting premise. It's not supported by RA though so that's worth considering since it's based on a build that predates Guangdong.
>>2375785Burgundy is confirmed to be removed and has been cut from dev builds for years. The only thing that's keeping it playable in the official Steam version is the coder bleed and expanding scope of Germany's rework which has stalled it for longer than I was in college.
TNO: Rises Again roadmap
>>2375785If you want to play.Play Requiem because it's way better optimized and there is 2WRW content.
>>2375785you are supposed to start by playing one of the russian unifiers or spainhow did you not fall into a failed state playing burgundy blindly
>>2375831When this is finished it will be beautiful.Is there a discord sever for TNO:RA?
>>2375866Head creator hates discord, and is only active on kiwi farms as far as I know
>>2375844Don't forget it's got new South Africa content as well in stead of throwing it all out
>>2375785If you plan on playing a Russian warlord do requiem. It has 2wrw timeline and doesn’t have the new societal development requirements for tech added in odf.
>>2375887Understandable.>>2375904Fuck I forgot that even was a thing. Made Russia nearly unplayable by locking off most research until the late game. It's so fucking dumb. What were they thinking?
>>2375866I hope Burgundy will have a path to take over Germany.
>>2375920And France
>>2375921I think the planned Burgundy 2 content did that really well.>Late game, there's a final battle between France and Burgundy>This caps off their 70s content and is a lead-in to their respective late game contentYes the SS division in nuBurgundy isn't the same thing but I liked the idea. For gameplay, it made a lot of sense.For Burgundy to take over Germany without Heydrich using the fallout of a 2WRW that went south could work, but it might seem lazy to just repeat the old SS coup lore which I think Rises Again keeps.
Any info on Requiem? They've been very quiet, no teasers and no leaks. When is that next update coming out?
>>2375974They're working on Berezniki and released a teaser for it recently. It's mentioned in the news section of the op. No release date tho but hopefully sooner rather than later.
>>2375993Wasn't berezniki in dev for like 5 years? I remember seeing it before requiem was a thing
>>2376004Not that old I think but it's been around for years. It started out as a submod, was cancelled because TNO was a bitch with all its reworks and restarted development as a part of Requiem last year.
Meme from around 2020/2021...
>>2376032And now the realismtards are running the asylum.Except they're not really realismtards because your realism ends where their personal politics begin.
>>2376032I remember seeing this back in the day. Insane how KR managed to course correct or at least stop the bleeding while TNO just completely fucking died.
>>2376040Well KR didn't really course correctThey're still minigame and realism-pilledThey just release updates
>>2376043Yeah, it's bizarre how people act as if the real issue(when it comes to popularity) are the reworks themselves instead of the fact they don't release updates. There would be no talk of crisis if they had just delivered what they promised instead of getting stuck in dev hell
>>2376043You know when you put it like that, I think it's also possible that KR doesn't look anywhere near as egregious simply because TNO got so awful it makes everyone else smell like roses.
>>2376005Man that's pathetic. Why do I have to make anything when I can make toozers for years and get the same amount of attention if not more. Nothing I do ever matters, it's all just clique socializing bullshit that I can't do because I'm forever alone
>>2376089desu they were probably just picked up because they worked with a concept people cared about. If you made a submod for a tag that was popular and it at least reached demo status, you could probably pull it off too with at least one of the reduxes.
>>2376100Your brain is the shape of a peanut if you think that that's how it works. If you go on tno reddit there are still dozens posts about brazilian literallywho's which should be impossible if I take your claim at face value. I have my theories on how it works but the conclusions I came up with make me dread
>>2376157None of those mods are about something people actually care about like the funny Azerian Assad so you're probably just dumb, stupid and far more retarded than anyone out of India, let alone Brazil, if you don't understand how these things work in the broader community. Maybe if you made a submod about something that matters, a good mod like Rises Again would take you on (don't count on it).
What are turkey devs cookinghttps://files.catbox.moe/sdt6hh.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/r2y5np.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpgTrees have fully coded effects and localization
>>2376200>None of those modsI only talked about one mod. What do you mean by "mods"?>something people actually carePeople on reddit and discord seem to care and post about something that's almost 2 years old >if you don't understand how these things work in the broader communityNeither do you it seems>Maybe if you made a submodIt will be forgotten in a week. My question is how to retain audience while doing nothing which is how it is in other mods like tno where art lives for far longer than it's creator. >a good mod like Rises Again Bruh. Not to shit on RA but it's just old tno that's not really popular outside of tno community and it doesn't create new meanings that would recreate themsleves in other brains without the output from the original creator.
>>2376215looks like ass why would mao even be known outside of china
From Rises Again, we're eating good tonight.
>tsar and soviets was cancelledno?https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2811192226
>>2376239Yes, what you make will be forgotten in a week because you're creatively bankrupt and can't entice people with interesting ideas.>RA isn't popularCope.>>2376242Zero, but I honestly don't care personally if it's even a thing. I can't tell since the first image posted is obviously a joke leader but I'll take something out of left field any day of the week at this point over endless>The two people in an OTL election are your main candidates and IRL-inspired centrist politics follows>>2376268Maybe he just meant that development stopped? I remember a lot of submods just stopped development in 2024-5 because of the direction TNO was heading in.
>>2376280>Yes, what you make will be forgotten in a week because you're creatively bankrupt and can't entice people with interesting ideas.Is this what people really think about me?
>>2375390>There were 2 post-WW2 military interventions in the Carribean as far as i know: DR and Grenada. None of these included anti-partisan operations.We did anti partisan operations in Cuba, Puerto Rico, and both Haiti and the DR before WW2 and won all of them.Why would it be different when the US is even more powerful?>You don't have to nuke HaitiYeah, but it's such a ridiculous option though. Like why there not going to be an option for Russia to get back Eastern Europe in the 2ndWRW, but the US can nuke Haiti for no reason?>Haiti's homogeneity would make an occupation harderNo it wouldn't, because all the US would have to do (and this is something we did multiple times in the Banana wars) is have a free election and leave, and there won't be more fighting since the population is homogenous.The reason Iraq and Afghanistan were suck quagmires was because they would devolve to ethnic and religious violence whenever we weren't guarding it.In Haiti an election could be held which would allow the US to just leave easily.
1978 German rifle, made exclusively for TNO:RA. Based off the real life SIG 550. The 1988 rifle icon has also been replaced with the icon for the G50 from modern TNO, which is based on the real life G36.
>>2376307Both of them stem from the devs IRL politics.Russia, regardless of who's in charge, will get sleepy east of their current borders, cave to Germany despite winning, and agree to recognize the borders of the RKs. This makes no sense but happens anyway because the devs suffer from Ukraine war brain rot. America nuking Haiti and irradiating their backyard also makes no sense but happens anyway because the devs suffer from US politics brain rot and TDS. Simple as.
>>2376251If this is legit, it just killed any interest I could have on RA by itself. Bravo
>>2376451It's a joke post the dev posted in response to someone making a joke application.
>>2374514Remind me, why did they think UK even needed a rework?Curent version is shit, sure. But what was wrong with original UK?
>>2376476It did improve some things in my opinion. Having the cw be between actual fascist collaborators and a resistance hits harder than a battle between two sides that both want to move away from Germany just to give one example. So maybe not necessary, but it brought some upsides.Buuut it'll never be more than a demo especially after Frost purged all his old co-leads on the project so in the end it's all moot and for everything good there's tons of things that, at best, is wasted potential.
Does this leak from September still have any merit? Or has it been scrapped so we now “have” something newhttps://files.catbox.moe/13ixmu.webp
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>>2376490Don't know but it seems to line up with how everything except Bormann is either dead or in total dev hell.
>>2376511Bormann is 95% complete. Just missing a few locs for the Herbst situation in the GUI and some gfx and effects for the ending trees. Speer is the one in dev hell.
>>2376534Where have I heard this before?>Brazil is just a few little pieces of loc away from release
>>2376534>Brazil just has a few pieces of loc left>Amur just has a few pieces of loc left>Iberia just has a few pieces of loc left>Bormann just has a few pieces of loc left
>>2376534https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdfNice try devnigger but you said the same thing years ago.>Bormann is ALMOST COMPLETE hooooly shitIt's fun rereading it now. You can see for yourself how completely and utterly they fucked up. A year came and went from there, Bormann is still "nearly" done and all they put out is another Antarctica demo. Suffer, devs.
>>2376476>But what was wrong with original UK?No real fascist paths, just different tories who would pivot away from Germany, gratuitous young Thatcher inclusion as leader, Wilson inexplicably libsoc but just implementing standard Labour policy, nonsensical Wales and Scotland, generally bad writing. We'll never see another Britain update again but if the rework's planned content had ever been made and released it would have been light years ahead of the Britain content on release, especially with the Jordan esoteric hitlerist path being a full path.
>>2376557The Ruin was a complete shitshow of an updateOriginally it was called Lech I Rus and was supposed to have Ukraine and Poland contentProblem was Poland dev was way too optimistic about how fast the content would get made and the devs were dumbfounded when they found out it wasn't close to being releasableThen they had to retool the update, renaming it to The Ruin and integrating TFL while indefinitely delaying Poland contentApperantly on the day of release Ukraine didn't even have all of it's GFX coded in. Utter shitshowNow, UK content is nowhere to be seen, undergoing a characterization rework for most of the paths (and deciding that Jordan will actually be playable and not a failstate) and as well they have to account for DV tooUkraine on the other hand, is getting the insurgency mechanic in TMT, which was intended to be a stop-gap for missing content. RK content is on indefinite pause, waiting for V&J to release, but it is getting skeleton content apperantly
>>2376550lmao you think i'm a dev ? Bormann have always been the most complete of the V&J paths. It's just Speer and the 1962-1964 who's lacking behind. Dumb goys like you are the reasons we'll never drop the git, all you know is shit on tno and call each other devniggers like some paranoiac commie
>>2376565Yes because you act like one with the way you do damage control and repeat their current talking points.
Any other Kat rework flowcharts? 67 Serbian paths for Yugoslav partisans or raliroaded German worshipper Hungary?
>>2376570It’s not a talking point. I played the 2025 git from start to finish. I’m simply stating my experience. You guys need to chill out
>>2376557Erm exuse me, but Wales and Scotland actually had a playable content and it was CUT. They CUT content. Just like muh South Africa and Reichstaat. Trans rights and Glory To Russia btw.
TNO:RA Dengist Speer event.
>Trans rights and Glory To Russia btw.
Sign-Off tests for Iberia are finally being done
>>2376612Iberia has been in testing for several months.It's been in "fine-tuning" for several months.It was meant to release last year.Forgive me for not caring about their latest declaration that shit's finally limping to the finish line.
>>2376636Honestly So long as it actually comes out I don’t really care. New tno content gives me something to do for a couple of days, And it sure as hell beats lazily posting on KF
>>2376647>New>It's just the old Iberia content reheated and prepared for DVBreadcrumbs during a famine I guess.
>>2376669Will next update even include playable content for the civil war tags or is it just skeleton again?
>>2376669I think the algeria war is still in there so not even dv applies lmao
>>2376709RA is the only mod with playable ICV content... Because they incorporated all the trees TNO cut. Honestly though I'm surprised they even kept it.>>2376711I thought they'd at least include in some of their colonies that are being reinstated? If they aren't, how's any of this supposed to work without at least a partial rework down the road?
>>2376709Yeah for pretty much all of them, they teased the trees for the Portugese contenders a while back>>2376718a friend on the team said that the idea is that they're going to build mechanics for Iberia's existing colonies (morocco and equatorial guinea) that they can slot DV stuff into later
>>2376732>We'll just bolt on a Denmark GUI later>Losing most of our coders to reworks and purges shouldn't make this an issueSame team that needed at least four years to even figure out what the GCW replacement should even look like btw. Your friend's probably retarded or new to the team if he doesn't know how bad their track record is with these kinds of things. And no, you can't just add back Portugal's colonial empire as a minigame and call it a day. It being destroyed is a core reason for Iberia existing in the first place. But they handwaved away Atlantropa no longer existing so maybe they'll do that for it as well.
>>2376737i meant that the mechanics for the colonies are apparently gonna be in TMT and then expanded when DV comes out, sorry i phrased that poorly
>>2376738That sounds a lot more reasonable. I still don't trust that they'll deliver anything good if only because DV is such a big narrative clusterfuck for the entire mod but at least that sounds manageable.
Apparently this is the bilibili leak for the presidents in Yippie https://files.catbox.moe/6itmn5.jpegThis was also said>Kennedy can survive, Nixon can serve more than 2 terms, up until end game, eventually transforming into a personalistic dictatorship. If both Dems and Reps fuck up and the 1972 election results in a deadlock, Hall wins D.C and somehow becomes president while the senate elects Reagan. Hall can get impeached or if he manage to hold and the CPUSA did well in the 74 midterms, Hall can moderate and becomes Left-wing Corporatist.Phyllis Schlafly can do something funny and turn fascist, however it'll lead to a series of impeachment resulting in 8 presidents in a short amount of time, before returning to normalcy.
>>2376978Translation would be nice
>>2376978>>2376979We already have this you retards, the Hall shit has already been proven to be fake
>>2376978The way that Harru-Sama becomes president is a hilarious bit of self-plagiarism.QPQ made a Campaign Trail mod about playing as Hall because he gets boosted as it is an election between evil democrat Jon Conarry and evil republican Nixon, so in TNO, QPQ makes so that having an election between evil democrat Jon Conarry and evil republican Schafiry boosts Hall that deadlocks the election
>>2376981Why do the devs have Hall in all their leaked shit if it’s fake
>>2376978Old and at best outdated, at worst inaccurate.>>2376981Pedantry but it's just the same shitty Hall from the original Vote Pig doc. So it's not fake just (allegedly) outdated. I say allegedly because the updated Hall content hasn't been leaked yet but the person that described it leaked other things and seemed credible enough at least.
>>2376988Gay.
>>2376986Stop me if you heard this before but TNO devs like to rework their shit over and over and over again. Old Moscowien design documents bear no resemblance to the latest leak not because they were all fake but because the devs casually destroyed years of work on a whim several times over.
>>2376988No its not outdated its just a fake flowchart they sent here to troll you people
>>2376999>Make a flowchart>It's mostly just stuff that already leaked>Nothing crazy>Just 50 boring ass centrist presidentsThis is what I don't get about their trolls. They're all just things they'd normally do. A lot of it seems more serious than the actual big flowcharts they do. It makes no sense at all and just comes across like one of their many revisions. That's why no one believed your claims about trolling because you never presented any proof and it all seems so... Normal. These people are humorless retards however so it wouldn't be surprising if true. Any excuse not to work on the actual mod they killed and buried.
>>2377000It's probably not fake, just made way earlier in development considering it still mentions the SAWThe leaked Yippie build includes all the changes mentioned in previous threads (Fong, one term JFK) and includes Gus as one of the edge cases
TNO:RA event toozer, this is about Oberlander.
>>2377034And something not necessarily made for RA, but as a result of it. May be integrated in a small way.
>>2377000Im talking about Hall.
Why do kiwifags even like old TNO. The 'le notsees are bad' shit of Panzer's era doesn't really seem up their alley
>>2377052Because neoliberal NAFO Kino is better than AmeriKKKa bad.
>>2377049And the content in that image refers to the shit written in Vote Pig where he became President on a technicality. Unless you want to allege that Vote Pig was fake too before Mango reworked his rework several times you just mixed up multiple different Hall documents in your head.>>2377052>KF is a hivemindYou might as well say that /pol/ is but I digress. The original TNO is just a fun setting, a nice blend of insanity in Germany's empire and a more grounded world around it that tries to adapt to its reality. There's a lot to like about it and even if you're a living /pol/tard caricature the "message" was always diluted through you being able to LARP, destroy entire continents, and have a few chuckles at events and happenings in between. It was a soulful piece made by people that cared and had heart, whatever we might think of them as people or their ideas for that matter.NuTNO is soulless. It's the modding version of when a company buys up a brand and then puts a committee in charge of it that hates the original product, fanbase and genre and seeks to recreate it for a mythical modern audience without understanding why anyone liked it in the first place. They care more about their corporate agenda and message than even Panzer et al, who at least at the end up the day understood that someone actually needed to want to play their thing for it to matter. They erased the original setting, they shoehorned in their own politics to a fault, and they drove the entire thing into the ground while insisting that third world countries having bases in Antarctica is a substitute for the SS giga LARPs they want to delete and replace with nothing.God hates nudevs.
remember the next frontier?
>>2377052the setting is good and the german civil war was some of the best modded gameplay back when tno was at its peak
>>2376581here is Ukraine
>>2377093Coming in TMT? Or is it in dev purgatory
>>2377097In V&J
>>2377093>It's still completely railroaded and with plot armor>German invasions always succeed>The bolted-on minigame doesn't change anything in the end>They're wasting thousands of hours on something completely worthless no one wantedDamn it Kateryna you had one fucking job.
>>2377093Like the new flag designs for the rks, Not sure which path i’ll pick when it’s complete
>>2377093Do you have ostland?
>>2377121noand there will be 4 tags instead of Ostland
>>2377120>When it's completelmao
>>2377123Isn’t this screenshot from The fading order?
>>2377123also didn’t we see the new reichskommisar on the bili bili? There has to be something to that
>>2377126and where do you think TFO took it from?
>>23771261980 TFO is just 1962-72 TNO depending on region since they modeled their entire map off of all the planned reworks years before they were revealed to the public.
>>2377126>Implying TFO has any original ideas
>>2377132so what’s actually going on in former ostland?
>>2377123>TNO is now a butthurt belter powerfantasy
>>2377135Nothing. The rework is meant to just have the RK decolonize into ethnic puppets just like most new colonies eventually are. It's not too dissimilar to the "good" endings in Kaukasien.>>2377137Jesus Christ you're right. At this point I'm really starting to think that Mango's the least boring lead they have left.
>>2377139do you have flowcharts?
>>2377137Im not sure any of the baltics want more rusniggers in their country.
>>2377141Iirc the plan was that it's basically Baltic lebensraum; they're meant to settle there and push the Russians eastward while allowing for German settlement further west
>>2377128Ostland is still a tag in the city of Riga.
>>2377141Then why do you claim Russian territories?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian%E2%80%93Russian_territorial_dispute
>>2377151So why is ostland decentralized now?
>>2377156"Realism" and Lamounier's hatred of "funny" German content.
>>2377156There were plans to give the Balts autonomy irl considering they were seen as racially salvageable, and by 1944 Belarus was being administrated separately to the rest of Ostland anyway
>>2377093Wait 4 months until this chart is completely obsolete and Ukraine is reworked with 2 paths and only 1 of them is released with Germany (who will also have 2 paths)
>>2377123Looks like it could be interesting. Devs will fuck it up tho
>>2377151I didn’t even notice that. So is it basically a decentralized reichscommisariat? Where local autonomy is delegated down but they have to take orders from the local commissar?
>>2377158I hope they get some content considering the baltics would probably be the wealthiest nations in the east. Estonia could be siemens workshop and primary tech hub. Estonia being europes guandong or silicon valley is such a cool idea
>>2376581bumping for potential speer stuff
>>2377170Yeah pretty much.>>2377172Idk exactly what they have planned but I agree that would be cool.
>>2377150What do you mean by "you" buddy? Im not claiming anything, especially rusnigger-infested wastes. As for the border case, Estonia has signed a border treaty with Russia without said territories and even pushed it through the parliament. Rusniggers refused to do the same to use it as a leverage.
>>2377179>>2377155
>the only people excited about this skeleton are retarded Euros with pointless blood feuds that are ultimately colonies of America
>>2377179>Estonian Police and Border Guard began registering citizens from Russian–controlled Setomaa as being born in Petseri county, Estonia.[12]>As of 2025, Estonia continues to recognize the areas of Petseri and Jaanilinn as Estonian, and the border as the temporary control line.[13]
>>2377123>>2377093TFO has had these flags and borders teased since January? And they correctly did DV and German annexation of Netherlands and Burgundy? Is all TFO content just expected to be in the new reworks? This shit is just one huge troll
>>2377203>TFO contentyou laugh you lose challenge
>>2377203The Venn diagram of tno and tfo devs is almost one big circleThey have insider information, which is why the Senate mechanics for tfo USA and yippie are the same
>>2377203TFO has always been a good barometer for TNO's future plan. People used to joke about the fact that you could tell what their reworks were months or even years ahead of their public reveals just by looking at their old maps. Parts of DV and the removal of Congo Lake was shown in TFO a long time before it was revealed even to to TNO devs outside the inner circle of leads.
>>2377191Retard, do you even understand how the treaties work? To replace the 1920s treaty which was signed when the russian population there was at 10% you need two signatures: one from the russian and one from the estonian side. Estonian side did everything to enact the treaty, russian - did not.
>>2376546>june>2026 already*superlative laugh*
>>2377223>Parts of DV and the removal of Congo Lake was shown in TFO a long time before it was revealed even to to TNO devs outside the inner circle of leads.What a blatant lie lmao, it's like no one will check what you've said or what? 26/12/2024, half a year before DV was announced to be integrated, weld made a teaser with the images of the TFO map, and Congo Lake was there. And just from looking at the African parts of the map, you can easily say they accounted for old lore (even though, with some tweaks, like the stalemate between the WAA and PALF in the West African War), not the DV one.26/07/2025, one day after the DV integration announcement, weld posts dev blog with the same title and the new Africa map, where you can no longer see the Congo Lake.
>>2377179t. people whose country was so depressing it spawned the disco elysium devs
>>2377239Your mod will never release weld. They also announced it before what you are reffering to, saying they realized that now somehow all previous lore conflicts had dissapeared and they were no longer an issue, search it up.
>>2377177I wish we could get some Caucasus leaks. because the leaks for ukraine and russia look very promising lore wise
>>2377247>russiait has been completely dead since corn left
>>2377239So what you're saying is that, at worst, anon is mixing up two map reveals, and that TFO is so closely integrated to TNO that they were able to reveal their map that was adapted to DV a day after TNO's reveal, proving that TFO was informed about it well in advance and that this likely didn't affect their plans at all? You're still just an extension of the TNO nudevs at that point so it doesn't exactly change anything.
>>2377250Tfo and tno share a lot of devs which means that they have insider info on tno dev
>>2377247It leaked ages ago. It's just either>Ethnic colonies aligned with Germany>Fail state with SSI don't get why they sperg out like this since almost none of this will ever matter to the player since the tag will never ever be playable if it even makes it out of dev hell.
>>2377258are there any other pakt leaks out there? I got a slovakia leak but i’m wondering if there’s anything else. Norway would be nice as would denmark or hungary
>>2377261Both Norway and Denmark have been out for ages. Denmark's just normal elections with one exception being that if you legalize porn and abortions there's a Nazi coup. Norway's just a rotating door of German puppets with the option to elect historical centrists that also end up being pro-German. The chart also had a walltext about a cod war mechanic with Britain which is just, lol. They actually thought Britain wasn't going to die.
>>23772281. Hurr durr why would estonians want rusnigger territories2. Estonia literally claims Russian territories and designates people born in Pskov as if they were born in Estonia3. BUT RUSSIA DIDN'T SIGN THAT ONE TREATY Why are /uhg/ tourists like this? Do you understand how basic argumentation works? You presented a claim that's objectively wrong and instead of admitting your mistake you're moving goalposts and saying something completely unrelated
>>2377266Could You post them to the thread? more for archival purposes, A lot of leaks get posted here that don’t get archived cuz people are retarded
>>2377268https://files.catbox.moe/cub16l.jpghttps://files.catbox.moe/lmva7g.jpgThese used to be in the stickies but TNO jannies took them down I think.>>2377267With people like this running TNO it's no wonder we're in dire straits.
>>2377267Listen, i literally explained everything to you like i would explain it to a child. Just admit that your rusnigger double-digit iq cant comprehend it and dont try to make your own arguments anymore, you are only showing your own stupidity by doing that.
>>2377277Please just go back to /uhg/, no one wants you here. You're derailing the thread and your explanations don't count for anything if the other anon can actually cite sources and you just screech autistically.
>>2377279>oh you made an argument but me and my retarded faggot friend didnt understand a single word so stop derailing the threadJust shut up and get back to whining about devs if you cant make a meaningful contribution mate.
>>2377273Thanks big man I appreciate it
>>2377273do you have the moskowien doc? I remember it being at the top of the thread but the baker forgot it, But if you have more pakt flowcharts please post them. No one archives shit here
>>2377273
b-b-based?
>meanwhile rises again drama>Should Putin appear in Kaukasien or post VW Russia collapse?
>>2377545>Shilling for a mass murdering pedo>Demand to get to make a case for Beria on the comm serverThis is a rare jannying I can get behind. Even commies know better than that most of the time. He's up there with Pol Pot as people you just don't shill for.>>2377546I liked their Russia collapse idea. It sounded like a fun Easter egg. What'd he even do in Kaukasien?
>>2377545devdrama is so gay did requiem stall on omsk?i remember them posting that it's going to be the next big thing year or two ago
>>2377550>What'd he even do in Kaukasien?>Putin's step father was Georgian so putin will appear in the Beria path and will be named Vladimiri Putinshvili.that's all GoodWinSon said, the post VW collapse is probably the one that will get implemented thoughand about the Beria path>In old lore he was executed for taking Josias on an unplanned trip to Svaneti, but it's more interesting if he's still alive. The man was a complete psychopath. For someone who nearly became the head of the USSR, there's some rumors that he didn't care about communism at all.
>>2377551The team released the post-unification Omsk content last year. They were going to add more content to the Great Trial, but decided to take a break from the tag because people needed a break from it. They've since released content for South Africa and are probably releasing Berezniki in the summer judging by the teasers.
>>2377551the omsk update releasedthey are going to work on post great trial content... one day
>>2377283>everyone who disagrees with me is a zigger
is it just me or is Requiem noticeably faster than TNO
>>2377564It's because of the map. It was noticeably slower especially on release because of all the bullshit they added. Things like Antarctica not sending out thousands of checks every in game hour helps too. To be honest TNO itself wouldn't be so slow if they just stopped using the ODF map.
>>2377564From what I can tell they have this novel work flow of "Only work on whats confirmed to be releasing"Something TNO doesnt have, where instead over at base TNO they just work on content as its being designed, so updates release way slower.Also helps that Requiem is the sponge for TNO devs that get kicked out or are tired of base TNO, but still want to work on TNO in general.
>>2377556The Berezniki update also includes a content upgrade for Alexander Men as well as a new raiding and loot mechanic.
>>2377571>MenWhat's he getting?
TNO:RA Billy Herrington portrait. In RA, he was born in 1959 instead of 1969 and will appear as leader of the "Wolverines", an American resistance group in case America is conquered by a non-Goering Germany sparking the American Anarchy. The American Anarchy will not be implemented at least until a few more updates.
>>2377576... I'm starting to think that you're just posting memes at this point.
>>2377579I am being 100% serious about Billy Herrington being in RA.
>>2377576Holy retardslop
>>2377589Could be worse. They could pretend that dropping nukes on random blacks for no reason is serious political commentary on the evils of slavery and racism.
>>2377594That’s still kino, Will always set game rules for US led TND
>>2377573I have no idea and they didn't produce any teasers on the new Men content either so yeah.
>>2377597It is kino but not intentionally. It's like with dictator Nixon. It's based and I think that'll also be fun. Both are, however, made by retards that want you to compliment them on how serious their deep commentary on RethugliKKKan evils are.
>>2377601I’m a speer main so I never really gave a shit about their moral posturing. My only concern is the map getting more blue and africa getting more white. All else is irrelevant
I wish they would just release content. Why is that too much to ask for
TNO:RA event for the Gang of Four, I neglected to mention that GoodWinSon is currently working on a Go4 Germany path concurrently with the Speer one.
>>2377713he lives!
>>2377123>moving the borders of ostland east so russia can take even less of its OTL borders in the 2wrw (coming never)
Was just checking the france document, And saw an algeria doc, Does anyone have it or anything algeria related?
>>2377748This one was leaked ages ago. Most likely outdated.
>>2377765are there dv french africa flowcharts? like ivory coast or niger? if you dont have that, any other pakt flowcharts would be much appreciated
>>2377815I dont and i would like to see them too. But i still have some old ass leaks for Pakt.https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/z7t903.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/4w4k3k.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png
>>2377821thx, Also checked the algeria thing. It seems to be up to date, TFO has the same algeria as the flowchart
If anyone has some speer docs, flowcharts, leaks etc please post them to the thread.
The Red Order
>>2377923Hasn't that been dead for years?
Is it possible, for instance Germany, to win all the Cold War events or some of the events are just too strong, for USA for example, and you cannot win them all?
>>2377815I'm not posting it all because Africa devs are much better people than Katerynahere is Niger
>>2377992
>>2377993and here is Togo
>>2377995>>2377993So are the French/British unable to keep their African holdings?
>>2377992>Africa devs are much better people than KaterynaThey're all aspects of the same problem Kateryna wouldn't be able to make his swedewank content where Sweden constantly and overtly fucks with Germany and gets away with it because neutrality :^) if he wasn't friends with Lam.DV wouldn't be even considered for integration if Calph wasn't friends with Mango and the rest of the lead clique.
>>2378063True but the Africa devs are at least decent people most of the time. Antarctica team's work never leaks and no one mentions them by name here behind their backs because no one has any problems with them as people. If you zoom out a bit then you can see that the general thread doesn't get tons of leaks from KR and other mods because those people just get along it seems. What I'm trying to get to is: no one on the team besides a few leads likes her because she's a very abrasive person.
>>2378023they can reconquer most of them
>>2374855France won the Algerian civil war and gave them their independence due to international pressure, it's not similar
>>2377545"O-Oh my god d-did you just defend Beria?!! Erm yup you can just fuck right off!"
>>2378135Yes. Fuck tankies.
>>2378140>Heckin leftist communist socialist retardation where everybody starves? LE GOOD>Doing that with TANKS?!?!?!? LE BAD!!! BANNED!Nowhere besides leftypol have I ever seen such mental retardation. You should go back there. I am sure you types get up to great conversations about hoi4.
>>2378147He raped kids if that matters.
>>2378147He was a mass murdering pedophile you fucking retard. They can get fucked.
>>2378064>she>her>>2378135Beria was an opportunist piece of shit who was happy to take Stalin's orders no matter how brutal, and then the moment his boss croaked he turned into a liberalizer
>>2377992It’s really only for my own personal consumption so I won’t leak them if you sent it to me by dms cryshist is my discord
>>2378161>Jannies setting up leak stings nowDesperate, Kateryna.
>>2378162I’m not kat, cryshist is all my socials irdc if people know im on a 4 chan thread since I’m already very active on kf
>>2374411Idi Amin Uganda? Nice
>>2377995anything or dahomey or the ivory coast?
>>2378246Either that or rhodesia
I don't understand how anyone can give a shit about the DV "content". None of it'll be playable, and even the things that look cool reek of wasted potential even if you ignore all that was lost to make it happen. If they'd just let you play as and larp some of these places then fine but it's mostly just as useless as any other skeleton that you can barely interact with and even then you're at the mercy of an AI or RNG Allah.
>>2378252If you're playing a superpower it sort of makes sense because the proxy wars do let you have a pretty big impact (especially for Japan and especially Germany who basically couldn't get shit in africa before). I do think if they were to integrate DV they should've at least waited for them to make Congo or Ghana content like they'd planned
>>2378257if africa were to ever get content, The nations should probably be, liberia, The ivory coast, ghana, Nigeria, Congo, rhodesia (maybe kenya?), and south africa. we really don’t need content for the rest
>>2378264oh forgot kamerun
>>2378257But we're just trading an interesting proxy war for proxy wars that are such boring footnotes that no one gives a shit about them.You have an alt history setting with infinite possibilities, and what do you do? For the most part the most soulless pragmatic cold war politics imaginable at worst and OTLism at best. Look: I don't give a fuck if an apolitical despot is aligned with power A, B or C. It's so boring, it's so soulless, it could only be concocted either by a corporate suit or an unironic NAFO highschooler. The original setting was really fucking dumb and the gameplay post-SAW was often bad, but there's just something epic about GIs fighting Boer Vietcong and SS hordes in the African savannah. There's a reason why these scenarios captured the imagination of hundreds of thousands, and why DV was met with such overwhelming scorn by the community that fell in love with TNO in the first place. It isn't even necessarily about the reworks and changing out old favorites. It's just so fucking soulless, unimaginative and uninspiring. It's like telling me to put my life on the line for neoliberal market dynamics. Fuck that.
>>2378268>there's just something epic about GIs fighting Boer Vietcong and SS hordes in the African savannah
>>2378135no nonces allowed
>2378268Germans are a soulless, bureaucratic, corrupt race. Any German victory scenario is soulless
>>2378332>Public education told me that all non-neolibs are boring therefore TNO leads are goodHoly shit, fuck off.
>>2378332Truth nuke
>>2378337That only applies to humans; Germans aren't human
>>2377123Do you have flowcharts of this?
>>2378364the op said he didn’t
>>2377123remember how there was an ostland rework that turned kovner into a good guy and made Vituska into generic dictator because some butthurt belter was mad that he was smart cuz he helped le heckin nazirino??? I mean that's cringe but at least there was some work done and the Jeckeln tree was kinda cool since you could invade all of eastern europe and explode into a civil war. I wonder what kind of new mechanics, focus trees, characters and narratives will they develop for this new setup that would compensate for the wasted thousands word long rework plans and the old content
Does anybody have a document of the First 2 years of Germany content? The ones with Hitler still alive
>>2378425I remember when there was a huge Jackeln tree and apocalypse. Devs had planned out years of content and additional CWs for the guy. In the end, what we got was... A vague outline for something they'll drop in a few years, honest guys, totally happening. Everything you mentioned is most likely gone too obviously. TNO somehow has more lost media than just about any other property out there.
TNO:RA Speer military tree.
>>2378641G3 focus
>>2378332WHY ARE YOU IN THE THREAD FOR A GERMAN VICTORY MOD THEN
Out of all of the new presidents you can get in the America Rework Which do you think is the best outcome?I think ether Nixon Forever or George Wallace then John Connally Evil Liberalism or Republican Connally. Fascist Schlafy is also based same with Nixon then Reagan then Schlafy/Thomson.I don't know why a black tranny can become president though that's pretty retarded.
>>2378867I don't care about anyone except nixon because they're all the same shades of liberalism. Hell, you can't even prevent CRA from happening in any of the paths
>>2378869Yeah but sense these nudevs are brownoids obsessed with liberalism sense their shithole countries they reside in have never seen American liberal democracy. Total NuDev Death.HAIL TO THE NIXONREICH.
>>2374378>Finland rework>Another tag Pacifica made slated for eternal dev hellOn a long enough timeline everything the devs say turn out to be lies.>>2378867Emperor Nixon because it'll generate the most amount of fun screencaps for /vst/.
>>2378874Pacifica bros are always vindicated as our dev having been the last hope for TNOBut at least she's having a great time at the Vicky 3 team. She's the Narrative Design Lead now.
>>2378877>last hope for tno>narrative lead for vic3The jokes write themselves
>>23788770 days without 4cucks sucking trannys cock
>>2379053Pacifica was the last hurdle for the realism clique. Once that guy was gone they controlled all major branches of the mod, had Mango take over and then they purged everyone else. So it goes beyond their body of work.>>2379056Maybe when you make something as funny as Tabby people will humor your delusions too.
>TMT will release soon>War in Iran will end soonThey’re all lying to you
>>2379068>Iberia is in fine tuning >Brazil only has a few pieces of log left>Amur is almost done>Germany releases 202XThere's a HOI4 expansion releasing soon. TNO needed nearly half a year just to fix some CTDs in the last one. Just saying.
>>2378874Good screenshot cause I too believe that Kat and his team is doing no work on Finland
>>2378877In all fairness, That screenshot is two years old, Lot of shit has happened development wise in tno for the last two years
>>2379119If a lot of shit has happened why is development still stalled
>>2379119They were already reworking the tag when the screenshot was taken. It's from around the time that they were reworking the war with Russia, starting out by removing the full Russian victory ahead of the move over to the new map. This just proves that they lied when they said they were just going to wreck the war in the name of "realism" since the chart just expands on the early leaks. Lying about reworks is also just a thing they do a lot with Burgundy being the most notorious one. They lied about not removing it for years. Another one is Vote Pig where they devote an entire section of the proposal to covering it up and managing the fallout of all their unpopular changes. Nudevs just can't be honest with their audience. Also lmao barely anything happened development wise in the past two years.
>>2379119>Lot of shit has happenedLike them lying about the DV integration until the day it was announced.
>>2379136Didnt say no
>>2379172>Haha he used weasel words so it's technically not a lieSpoken like a skeevy politician.
>>2379177No wonder yippie is closest to completion
>>2379179>The corrupt politician embezzles all resources for a personal project and has his underlings do damage control with half-truths and lies by omission They really do have a habit of becoming the things they pretend to advocate against.
>>2379181A shame germany devs don’t just go full natsoc
>>2379183They became pencil pushing office tyrants with insane department politics so they did become what the German content is supposed to be. It's just in the worst way imaginable.>Why do so many devs quit>Why does almost no one have positive memories of their time on the team
Looking at all the leaks and stuff:They're changing Speer's subid from Reformed NatSoc to something less memey, Goering has had 0 work done, Himmler is doing gamer Volkism, and Heydrich is SS aristocracy?How is Himmler not doing that as well?
>>2379218What is Speer gonna be now? Him going full superpower was kino
>>2379223He's still gonna be the "reformer" nazi, they're changing his subid to something more in-universe friendly I guess? Albert Speer Thought all the way
>>2379229Heterodox National Socialism
>>2378877>she
>>2379244When you make a path as kino as Zhdanov you earn the right to be called whatever you want in my book.
>>2379237Isn’t that subid the same as ohlendorfs? Hopefully it gets leaked soon
>>2379218Share the leaks
>>2379223I think he still can Idk tho we don’t have the leaks that this guy is looking at
>>2379181>Polish team fails to meet party's demands>Poland gets completely annihilated from the map and all mentions of poles are removed
>>2379274>>2379278All the information I have, I've seen either here or has been discussed in the public discord by the devs. Speer (for all I know) is still the reform guy, they're just changing the name of his ideology, Himmler's getting a unique one as well. We'll probably end up with every successor having their own sub-id.
>>2379301I belive it’s called volkish germanicism. I think it got leaked but i’m not sure if it got to this thread
>>2379316Fucking retard of the baker forgot to post the Himmler tree
>>2379324https://files.catbox.moe/9ja39g.png
>>2379328>Himmler SS aristocrat ecofascism wholesome path Don’t fuck this up
>>2379357They've made almost no progress in five years. It's time to let go, anon.
Does anybody still have the Germany characterization doc??
Does anyone have the Gabon flowchart ? I'd also be interested in the old one from DV before integration
Dengist Speer event toozer
>>2379360no unfortunately, But if someone could get me a recent british leak or anything pakt related, I may be able to get the germany git from my leaker contact. He will give the git in exchange for leaks, By this I mean actual brand new leaks, nothing from the bili bili
>>2379659 What type of leaks do you have besides the germany git (which i'm not interested in) ?
>>2379719A couple things for french africa and latam. It’s more that I personally want the git and I need recent leak to get that git
>>2379737I already have the git. What parts of french africa and latarm specificaly ?
>These dumbass niggers caring about skeletons that'll never be releasedCargo cult niggers.
>>2379741Speak when spoken to.
>>2379739Madagascar, Guyana, and the antilles, Though i’m like 99 percent sure your the guy who gave me those so i’m not certain if your not leading me on
>>2379742Dumbass you could make a chart for Greater Fijistan in MS Paint and it'd have as much relevance as the shit you're begging for you dumb, gaslit cunt.
>>2379739What would you be willing to take for the germany git? and I mean the one on the bili bili or more recent
>>2374378>https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - Partial Italy rework #10+ flowchart.I guess we are never seeing italy, old one here for those who care.
>>2379868Full version
>>2379877in honor of Pikeman btw, got killed for no reason.
>>2379881Its even worse than you know. They couped the whole italian leadership.Spearguy got forced out, Pikeman was soft purged, the whole demitaly team was kicked and the old RI lead was retired.They implemented a tfo tranny friend of the devs as demitaly lead, a random guy (filmore) is now the actual lead and the RI team is one guy only now.
>>2379895Mango tried to force his own view of italy which was 2 paths (Balbo and Pavolini) and a mid path transition to demitaly to both but he got told to fuck off even by his own appointed cronies.
>>2379897Soft couping the whole team wasnt enough for them and they ended up having to harrass a few team members who heard of the affair (The whole purge was only known to the leads, others were told that they just left on their own) into deleting their accounts or leaving all TNO spaces, from one of them I got all this info.
>>2379903One of the purged leads made peace and is now doing his own Italy submod (Me Ne Frego) with a bunch of dissatisfied current and old team members.
>>2379897Dude that’s so fucking gay no wonder the dev team left. Why can’t mango just italy be a fascist state? Also do you have any info on red italy, Palovini and giani?
>>2379911Its what you saw on the newest flowchart, I Dont have the full one
>>2379914Fucking hell, Well that sucks, The guy who is hoarding the germany git along with all the other git’s the chinese community has wants the full one in exchange for the gitIt’s really gay but i’m lokey desperate for speer content
Why isnt the german flowchart archived?https://files.catbox.moe/pwkheh.png
>>2379739You know what Hit up my dms, If you can get me that germany Git I will actually pay you for it, No hassle My discord is @humbagbegeh
>>2379939I believe it’s old
>>2379942Unless you can get a newer one its as good as new.
>>2379943The chinese community has one that has never been translated
I've heard that despite Yippie being nowhere close to being released, Mango already planned even the 1980 presidents, is that true? If so, who are they?
>>2379943Just checked the subids, Your flowchart checks out. Got anything else?
>>2379946All 64 presidents and most 68 ones are done. They went full speed post dev diary.1980 candidates haveYaller -> Gary Hart Estab -> Undecided Activist -> Leon Pannetta Trad -> George Bush New Republican -> Undecided
>>2379947I have this but it doesnt say anything new.
>>2379954Why didn’t they pick anyone younger for the successor fuhrers?
>>2379954This too, newest version of the Econ Mechanic
>>2379957That one leaked a while ago, so is france just never getting its northern territory back?
>>2379958Nope, Kate vetoed it.Its different though that was the Statenkolossen, this one is the Staatsmaschine.
>>2379959Is there any real difference between the two?
>>2379960I guess it has different things?
>>2379962please tell me you have the git I’ll leak everything I have which isn’t much but please just tell me you have it
>>2379966nope
>>2379968well what other leaks do you have?
>>2379972Ive leaked everything i had here over a month or so. Dont have anything else now
>>2379973well it seems fair to give what I have, Here’s madagascar, The seychelles, Guyana, and the netherlands in exile
madagascar
seychelles
>>2379977Oh, also Iberia announcement scheduled for this friday unless it gets delayed again
>>2379981Im prolly not gonna even bother with tno until vnj comes out I just like reading the lore. TND is fun to daydream about at work
>>2379985>until vnj comes outbro speer dev hasnt moved in 2 years
>>2379987If the can get yippie done in such a short time, I’m sure they can figure this shit out
>>2379988The problem is speer dev is lead by a tranny who hasnt done anything in two years besides post in the comm server. I dont mean it in the sense that its moving slowly but he has straight up done absolutely nothing at all.Bormann could be released with yippie perfectly but since the speer dev is friends with lam he isnt getting purged and its not releasing.
>>2379990So tf are they going to do about it?
>>2379992Beats me, they can either get their shit together after releasing the kampfzeit in yippie or not do anything
>>2379994Hopefully yippie puts the fire under his ass to get shit done, Either way I really want that germany git
>>2379990If you'd allow me to shill, meanwhile one contributor to TNO:RA has fully localized an entire 1970's Speer focus tree with focus descriptions all in the span of a month, with events being written daily and coding to be done after that.
>>2379990Btw since it hasn’t leaked yet, What are speers new plans with eastern europe?
The baker couldn’t get france so here it is yet again
>>2379998Shit nobody cares about award.
>>2379881>>2379895>>2379903>>2379959>Entire team gone in the name of reworks>Sold internally as everyone just leaving for no real reason >Probably lots of "they never made anything anyway">Random friends without credentials take over>France team raped by Reich team again for good measure It's been said before and I'll say it again: the corrupt inner workings of this dead mod are more insane than any schizo route.>>2379977>>2379978>all this effort into unplayable shit no one cares about >>2379981In b4 delayed another month.
>my honest reaction to all these reworks>>2379895>>2379897Insane if true. Pikeman and Mango were friends back in the day. I guess the long knives come out for everyone.>>2379939>The 1000 rework reich>>2380028Last thread became a complete clusterfuck of people dropping dozens of charts and then going back and forth with "this is old" "no it's not" "yes it is" across hundreds of posts. When you're done leaking for this round try to put all Catbox links together into a single post so it won't get overlooked again.
>>2380048Half the catbox links are fucking busted anyway. Trying to manage this thread is a fucking nightmare. I’m honestly tempted to just post all the leaks to kf to make it a gigantic archive incase we loose shit
>>2380053>the 4chan thread is run by people with lives that can't do constant link maintenance>TNO jannies spend several hours a day every day trying to shut down leaks>they get nothing out of this other than scorn from the community and half the team that are in the other clique>they still do this every day with a shit eating grin on their facesIt's not fair
I have no clue what the TNO team has been doing for the last 5 years, and I don't follow the thread. So I'll ask again what I ask about every year ever since the release of Guangdong ITT:>Red Italy status?>Goering path status?>Colab France status?>Iberia status?>Brazil 10 year content status?>HMMLR England status?
>>2380107>Red Italy status?Dead since a while back. Scroll up to >2379895 for a QRD.>Goering path status?0 progress, there's a new Germany rework sheet here >>2379939 but it just lists his route as a question mark. Bormann has been "nearly done" for years and Speer is in dev hell so don't count on this to drop in your lifetime. A while back someone leaked their plans for a Schoerner route which was basically just going to be Goering but lamer/delayed. This is, of course, completely dead. Picrel is the bleak as fuck "teaser" he dropped while saying that the full thing was too shitty to share. He posted several full pages so it is real, sorry to say.>Colab France status?Dead and in complete rework hell. They were forced to rework everything from scratch after a decision was made to delete all African content and add in OTL Africa (because a friend of the lead made it). This restores the French Empire but erases all their work. All 100+ page France proposals are presumed to need at least partial reworks.>Iberia status?It was meant to release in December-January and they released a few teasers alluding to this... But it was delayed. They're supposed to make an announcement this Friday, but that might also be delayed.>Brazil 10 year content status?They released two routes last year. Reactions ranged from "meh" to "ok". It was a much-delayed but overall fine update for what it was.>HMMLR England status?Zero progress, collabs are in dev hell. All original leads except a friend of the overall TNO lead are gone and he refuses to do any work.What you may have missed: There are also two reduxes released last summer. TNO Requiem and TNO Rises Again. Requiem has the pre-Antarctica map and TNO Rises Again which is a Panzerite Atlantropa map. Both are pretty good and you should unsubscribe from TNO and subscribe to whichever of those sounds the most fun because TNO is just completely dead at this point.
>>2380107>>2380112 (me)Also no, I'm not kidding. They're deleting all their current content and replacing it with IRL Africa from 1962 with some cosmetic tweaks to dodge the OTLism charges. You couldn't make this shit up.
Five said that Tsar and Soviets will come out in June. He's been wrong before so I'm taking it with a great grain of salt.
>>2380114Kwame Nkrumah in Ghana lmaoAnd when they don't use the OTL guy, it's someone who was either close to the OTL guy or someone with the exact same policies i.e. apolitical strongman who can be influenced by any party
>>2380112>>2380114I'm sad that I am not studying a subject area where I could write a PHD on the development hell of TNO. Its such a facinating story, as all development stories are, but this one really takes the cake. Sure, you have the stories of how Disney shat the bed with Solo or Episode 9 with them being constantly rewritten or fucked up due to egotistical boobs with conflicting visions, but TNO... Its like a social experiment of letting a bunch of disorganized workshy zoomer "contributors" with infinite resources (because there is literally no one overseeing if the project suceeds or not and there are fuck all deadlines), each of whom has a gigantic ego and competing vision, trying to make... something. Its like King of the Flies in a way. And what is the overall result? Seems like all we have are bunch of visual teasers, fake "skeleton" content and hundreds upon hundreds of conflicting design documents for the uphteenth rework of Richard Nixon. Though perhaps this isn't that unique - perhaps this is just a retreading of what it felt like to live in a hippy commune.
>>2380129They're not too bad about their release estimates tho. If true I'll treat that as a summer release being likely.
>>2380145Teams as dysfunctional as the TNO one are a dime a dozen out there. You just never hear about them because they never make anything. What makes TNO unique is that you have these talentless, tone deaf morons take over something that's popular and has a large fanbase only to alienate most of it and remove everything that made it popular in the first place. Comparing it to how a soulless corporation like Disney handles bought properties is apt. It's like a bunch of terminally online nobodies larping as company execs.
>>2380148One thing to note about TNOs popularity is that it came at a time and to an audiance which was full of political weirdos - from nazis to tankies, fascists, leftcoms, syndicalists, herenvolk-democrats, alt-rightists and ultra-liberal trans-rights advocates, coming from all corners of the world. Everyone was welcome in the goofy ass house of horrors that was TNO. But who ended up on top? A bunch of American libtards who are still mentally stuck in the trauma of Nixon winning in 68. The most boring nitwits who have only watched one movie and its All the Presidents Men. And then they looked at every single goofy thing and sandpapered it off.
>>2379977>>2379978>>2379979Thats good, thanks for leaking.
>>2380240Do you have the germany Git?
>>2380255I dont.
Coming soon to TNO:RA.
>>2379981Did they seriously delay it yet again? lmao >>2379985
>>2380383replied to the wrong post sorry >>2379981
>>2380114>They're deleting all their current content and replacing it with IRL Africa from 1962they aren't because it's never coming out
>>2380441> never coming outWatch how it releases before shit that was announced five years ago
>>2380383>>2380389The coder bleed is real.>>2380441It depends. I think it could be done and released by itself without too much of a hassle because it's all just skeletons. The problem is that it destroys the backbone of the current US and German content so the US/GER content so it'll likely be bottlenecked if they're smart. But Goering and much more remains unplayable so maybe they'll just destroy the early game for those tags and call it a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StW60xZjjjUvery relevant video
>>2380553I’ve received news that the devs will release Yippie, V&J, and DV all in ONE update in June of this year.
>>2380643
>>2380643pffft as if, Nice try, speer isn’t even done yet it’s been in dev hell for two years. I will put money it, this is fucking copium
>>2380643>duct taping everything together will surely not create a hugely disjointed mess that will inevitably be delayed
>>2380643>Yippie half a year ahead of schedule >V&J leapfrogs everything >DV ahead of schedule >Same mod that couldn't get a comp patch out for nearly half a year>Same mod that delayed Iberia for months >This despite Iberia being more complete than all of these just a few months ago Sure buddy.
kinda off topic but why did east asia have a lot of the succesful developmental dictators. Historical and probably the canon timeline for this mod
>>2380643Its not vnj, its only the kampfzeit and its not releasing in June. Probably not this year.>>2380724Emphasis on education, US lead land reform and massive investment in them.
new Kateslop
>>2380788>Kateryna's reworking Iran too now after planning out how to fuck up Ukraine dev even moreLeast overextended nepo tranny.
>>2380788I thought it was royal dictatorship?
>>2380788He wants to ruin another tag so bad>>2380788
I’d like to give an optimistic estimate for tnos updates. I believe that Vnj, along with japan and manchuria will release by 2030. It probably won’t but one can only dream
>>2380788At least Fascist Iran sounds kinda interesting as a concept. Not like it's ever getting content though.
>>2380825I want an Evil Patrixxx path meme or not.
>>2380788>ukraine was added because current thing>now want to add iran because current thing>germany is still in rework hellI'm tired boss
>>2380860> current thingCome on, it's not a surprise that a Pakt aligned country is going to be getting skeleton content in the Germany update. I don't think it's just for current thing reasons
>>2380868problem is that if iran gets new skeletons, They will have to rework the oil crisis because iran is a key part of that crisis.I’m not complaining cause I do generally like the reworks. Not because I like the devs, But because I like paktmaxing in a realistic cold war scenario
>>2380832But why rework this now when most of the mod is in rework hell? Germany's nowhere near done and they're yet again expanding scope by gutting a tag that's currently at least fine. Fucking WHY?>>2380868Yes anon it's pure coincidence that these retards that never make content and exclusively do political brain rot bullshit tease their Iran rework under an arch-devnigger just when it's the current thing, uh-huh. They could've done it at any point in the past when they were talking about removing the ICW and replacing it with nothing, but it's pure coincidence that we get the first sign of life right this instant. Uh-huh. Totally not a cope. Same team that reworked portions of America just because Trump's election victory was in the news btw.
>>2380860>ukraine was added because current thingYeah, it's not like Ukraine was in dev long before 2022, but you just have to make shit up.
>>2380877Iran isn't "fine" you faggot. It sits there and does nothing for ten years before exploding into a 6 sided civil war where 2 of the sides are liberals + Germany always loses because your side is cucked
>>2380909Besides, it's also literally irlslop until then, with the only exception being that the Germans couped the government instead
>>2380914Yeah it's retarded, idk why everyone is up against one of the only good ideas the TNO team has made in 3 years. It's that and the new Himmler path (which is never coming out but oh well.)
>>2380882Ukraine got a partial rework and got fast tracked for an update after 2022. Nice try, retard, but we already know the dev lore on Ukraine. The fact that RKU existed before 2022 doesn't magically erase what happened after the team got obsessed over the related politics.>>2380909>>2380914>>2380920We already had leaks on this. Yes, it was fine because it'd explode into a cw that made for a good late game scramble between the majors. You're now replacing it with nothing ever happening so it's a downgrade. Get a hint, retard. Nothing ever happening is the main issue. Your shit doesn't matter if it just sits around and does nothing which is what people like Frost said multiple times. If you have proof saying otherwise, post the full chart or fuck off.
>>2380922Now you made up some partial rework, interested to hear what shit you'll throw at me, dipshit, even though basically nothing, starting from the main mechanic and ending the main routes, changed since the GUI teaser back in 2021.Keep fighting with self-made scarecrows instead of admitting that you shit yourself, retard. It's not like we lack legitimate reasons to shit on nudevs.
>>2380938Shut the fuck up you lying devnigger fuckhead we know that you lie about literally everything. Either post leaks that prove us wrong or fuck off.
>>2380922Imagine thinking an interesting country should be left unchanged in it otlist form plus el generico civil war rather than attempting to make it interesting. You must have Nudev Derangement Syndrome.
>>2380957Lmao, what the hell do I need to prove if you say that you 'know the dev lore on Ukraine' and pulled that shit about partial rework from your own ass? Don't know what this picture is supposed to represent tho. The fact that the devs always lie? Well, first, none of these people expressed their support for the DV integration, just stating a fact that we all here agree with, and second, NONE OF THEM ARE DEVS, it's literally random retards from tnocord (one is a Community Veteran, basically 'an active member of the community', aka dev sucker, and the second one doesn't even have roles). You could've tried to find the message where DEVS say that DV integration is not happening, It's not that hard to be honest.
>>2380966>>2380960>I don't need to prove anything >Let me just shill for the retards that lie about everything and have been proven to lie about everything over the past several years >Burgundy is not getting cut and I'm not a nudev btw
>>2380960Dont cast pearls before swine. These people are unbearable.
>>2380987>Skeleton that does nothing>PearlCoal alert.
>>2380876They have been planning on reworking the oil crisis for awhile
>>2380832It's not interesting, it's the same OTL moralfaggotry about how le shah was totally ebil and everything will go exact the same as it did in OTL even if the world is in completely different state where it won't make any sense
>>2381033wasn’t iran occupied by the brit’s? Shouldn’t it be devastated by the war between the axis and britain over control of the middle east?
>>2381038I don't think they had the will or the capacity to fight there after sealion
>>2381041They weren’t fighting there before sealion? did italy take the suez before or after sealion, Also for that matter when did turkey join the war? When did iraq or palestine fall? So many questions about ww2 are just never answered
>>2381057It is almost like they are currently developing lore for it as the MENA countries were untouched since release.
>>2381066That’s cool and all, But it’s still a bit of a pet peeve of mine that the major battles and lore for ww2 has barley changed to accommodate the new direction
>>2381074In case of Iran i agree. I believe it would be more interesting if it had pro-GEACPS Mossadegh in charge and reinstating the monarchy was oneof the paths for Germany.
>>2381107It’s a shame there isn’t more elaboration with the geacps. They sort of feel tacked on in the cold war rather than a major player. The cold war is basically germany vs america and japan is sort of just there. There needs to be hotter tensions between america and japan, moreover An ideological basis for hating the japs because america and japan basically have the same ideology of decolonization with the only difference is that japan supports nationalists while america supports liberals
>>2381119Japan feels like it almost takes the place of the IRL Soviet Union in many cases, though with more support of nationalist movements as well as communist ones, which is pretty true to life - seeing as they employed collaborators from both the left and right, but they do feel like such a nothingburger. It's also really odd because it'd make sense for them to be backing the Arab Nationalist Ba'ath types during the Oil Crisis but they back the fundamentalists like the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Revolution, for some reason.
>>2381074>Germany wins WW2>The Allied actions of the war are ignored>TNO lazily adds the IRL interwar events to this timelineIt was easier to excuse this back in 2020 when Iran was just a skeleton without content that, like many others, just exploded at a convenient time to serve as a plot point. Now all the wars will be gone before long and we still have this lazy shit where we just get a vague Axis overlay on top a historical 1962. Fuck this gay earth.>>2381153It used to be that the Germans supported the Ba'athists which makes more sense to be honest. All of that was destroyed with time. I don't mind Japan being more pragmatic especially far away from home like with their support for Cameroon but what worked back in those days is just going to be generic cold war slop once DV drops. Germany is increasingly heading in that direction too. It's as if the devs just have no interest in the setting they hijacked and just want to write about real life cold war conflicts at times.
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>>2381195I don't think it was a lie. They probably just couldn't manage it... Again. Not a coincidence that all these delays coincide with the purging of the Ukraine lead and their #1 nepo hire shoehorning in the Ukraine rework into the Iberia rework like we saw here: >>2374522
>>2379895>>2379897what the FUCK???where is my fiuman italy under Muti? Why does Mango hate italy so much?
The leak you've been looking for
>>2381297Wait they're adding a new Russian warlord? Holy shit
>>2381247He got told to fuck off so you still have it as seen in the flowchart above.
Can someone explain to me what Pikeman's even doing these days and how that shit went down?
>>2377258Isn't this literally the same as Mountains of Caucasia
>>2381456Mark my words they’re gonna integrate it because they are too lazy to just develop it in house
>>2381488The lead tried to integrate it without authorization, got told that it was shit and reworked his whole mod to fit the actual skeleton.Its going to happen its just a matter of time.
>>2381498How boring is it?
>>2381500Its mid at best but its new content that doesnt remove anything so it's fine.
>>2381508It's never getting accepted then since the German lead wants everything in the tag gutted in the name of realism.
>>2381516The German lead made the skeleton and gave the lead all the info to make the content.
>>2381519Great then it's going to be the dull shit in the chart that will remove anything existing and replace it with soulless slop.
>>2381498Mountains of Caucasia is gonna use legacy (fun) stuff like Josias so I doubt it’ll be integrated. Then again I wouldn’t put it past this artistically bankrupt development team
>>2381550Nope. They completely stopped working on the Josias version after they were rejected and havent shown a teaser about it since then. Its dead and they are focusing on the reworked lam lore one.
>>2381557It’s bleak.
>>2381550If Josias is in then Lamounier will just straight up VETO it personally. He's obsessed about removing that type of content and always lumped it in which Burgundy and Ostafrika which he moved heaven and earth to delete. Only way that one's getting in is if it's made by a close friend of his.
>>2381560He did already but they bent over and removed him.
>>2381560Why can’t these retards just let us have a fun path. Even if it’s hidden and hard to get, just fucking put it in the game
>>2381498The submod isn't being integrated because one of the conditions of integration was them getting rid of their civil war, which the lead rejected.
>>2381456Apparently that submod and The Union Forever are in testing waiting for a release
>>2381588Inb4 Kat changes RK Caucasian lore again and the submod dies
>>2381591The America changes apparently didn't kill TUF, so if it does it's a massive skill issue
>>2381594TUF isn’t trying to get integrated. MOC wants to be
>>2381297would, 100%
>>2381713Anon what the fuck
>>2381716I lost my virginity to a trans ex-greytide. Sucked my dick like a goddamn pro.
>>2381717TMI/KYS.
>>2381723You lost, kiwi.But you didn't lose your virginity (unlike me lol).
>>2381724Billions must die.
>>2381724ignore this bait, Back to tno discussion
>>2381759What is there even to discussThe mod is deadSeriously are you just going to talk about the latest vaporware or missed deadline for the millionth time
>>2381759We can talk about how TNO's subscriber count keeps dropping.
>>2381772Look, there goes a few more. This is just as interactive as their planned content and you can actually experience it for yourself.
>>2381772>>2381775Rats fleeing a sinking ship. Still more interesting than theorizing about chart 58 of shit they'll never release and will rework a hundred times over.
>>2381772>>2381775>>2381803Extreme unemployed behaviour lol, go outside and touch grass
>>2381831You're just mad that the mod is bleeding to death and there's absolutely nothing else to talk about.
>>2381724"Loosing" your virginity to another man with a wig is not the flex you think it is. Besides, the only way to lose it is with vagina. Keep it tno related bud', it's not /lgbt/
>>2380114OTL africa in 1962 btw
>>2381869They're practically the same wtf
>>2380114>>2381869what's the thought process here? hurr durr otl african post-colonial states are basically RKs because they ignore ethnic/religious lines and were also kneecapped from the start to remain economically dependent?this kind of loops back into nazi apologia they like to whine about
>>2381934"It happened IRL so it's realistic."
>>2381934I don't think it's deliberate apologia since everyone involved in making these decisions is more or less a certified end of history liberal. However having their creative bankruptcy lead to either no changes or more stability outside of eastern Europe is a humorous outcome. A /pol/tard would've done a better job since he'd at least be inclined to show how hard they'd fuck over their enemies. Even eastern Europe isn't that bad west of Russia in their plans since it's all going to become stable collab regimes in most places.
>>2381869>>2381897>>2381934It's not perfect because of their fucked map projection but if you do a semi-transparent overlay the two maps are almost identical. Outside of Italy's colonies all changes stem from the French and British empires somehow becoming stronger after losing WW2 and a few minor tweaks like Rhodesia being split up and Chad not being split up.YOU DON'T HATE NUDEVS ENOUGH.
>>2381959> If you ignore the biggest PoD which is the empires surviving then its the same besides the one empire holding most of the rest of the territory>YOU DON'T HATE NUDEVS ENOUGH.Unserious mental retard
>>2382140>a crippled and occupied France and England holding onto their empires for longer than OTL is realistic but the West African War isn't They just wanted to retell the story of IRL decolonisation but had to delay it to go with the start date.
>>2382160On the plus side, The colonial empires can be preservered so Idc about dev intentions, TND is getting auto set in my game rules
>>2382140Yep, it's either complete OTLism or shit that makes no sense at all. Both cases just straight up ignore that WW2 happened and don't address it in any way. The only justifiable change is the Italian empire for obvious reasons.
So apparently there are some things going on in manchuria.
>>2382180thank god it's alive, I guess it's a part of the Katakura tree
>>2382183seems to be the case. Manchuria seems to be the only place immune from dev bs. Cant wait to play Park Chung Hee
>>2382187>Manchuria>Immune from BSBruh it was literally shafted and delayed by YEARS because Mango hated Yugo for speaking up too much. He used to be a hero around these parts because he was often the voice of reason among the leads and too important to purge. Munchuria dev only seem to have gotten anywhere after he was buckbroken and stopped raking Mango over the coals.
>>2382187>>2382192Japan and the Sphere are not getting updated in the next 2 years
>>2382194>All updates for the foreseeable future revolve around stripping Japan of its WW2 gainsIt's not fair
>>2382192damn didnt know that. Why isnt yugo the lead baka. also what were mango and yugo fighting over anyhow?
>>2382192Whats the deal with you and your unhealthy obsession with the devs personalitiies? I know its what they do on kiwicucks but we arent there you know.
>>2382220Yugo wasn't really that special. He was a realist and had a good head on his shoulders and from all the accounts we have he just wanted to avoid rework hells, scoplosions and make things fun. It really isn't that special but he often butted heads with the realismtards.>>2382230>Why do you care about who make the contentBecause their abrasive and combative personalities objectively speaking caused several years of delays and it's the main reason why I'll never get to enjoy the Manchuria content before I hit retirement age in a few decades. It's also entirely their fault for being bastards in public. If they'd just been more like the KR devs or any other team that actually functions none of this would've happened and you wouldn't have to be doing damage control for your friends on a Nepalese basket weaving forum.
>>2382243Im not sure how to explain it to you, but nobody fucking owes you anything, there are no delays as there are no deadlines. Its a free mod, made by ordinary people, if you want your troonslop back or even more of it, join the rework team or whatever this crap no one cares about is being called now. But here you are with your constant whining, never to contribute anything, never to discuss anything worthy to discus, only whining.
>>2382243>he just wanted to avoid rework hells, scoplosions and make things funHe went and reworked hell manchuria lmao
>>2382256Cope and seethe, devnigger. We'll continue to give you shit for your failures because you aren't just failing but you're pledging to make everything worse on purpose. Suffer, nudev.>>2382263RIP Yugo you either die a hero or live long enough to become a rewooorker.
>>2382277I have no idea where all this love for yugo comes from, all he does is masturbate to horse anime girls and delay Manchuria because he cant be bothered to do anything and he needs to rework the country to add one more path for parkEven the fucking speer tranny came back to work and is now finishing the design but he cant even do that
>>2382291finally finishing the design after two years of doing nothing kek
>>2382295better than not finishing the design after two years of doing nothing
>>2382291>Everyone I disagree with did nothing at all ever>I'm the only one that does work>Jane bent the knee so he's OK now but everyone else did literally nothing OK?>Yugo never did any work ever but that's why we keep him on the team despite telling Mango he's a faggot>I'm not a gigantic nepo baby btwYou'll never pass like Ashley, Kateryna.
>>2382326Schizo dumbass
actual trannoids coming here to defend their honor is hilarious
>>2382403Yeah it's funny because they're always so obvious. Typical high school drama every time. Always come out to name and shame every dev for being an unproductive traitor and nothing more. Transparent as ever.
cant believe this shitshow is still going on lmao, quit the team nearly a year ago and soy4 modding as a whole bc of how burnt out it left me and somehow there hasnt been a new update, wouldve been funny if it wasnt so sad
>>2382563have anything you can leak?
>>2382569most of the shit i worked on has already been largely leaked or released like manchuria and mexico respectively, or is stuff u fags would find boring tbdesu as its nerdshit which only a couple of contribs can do since it requires CS knowledge and C/python xp bc is meant to be a proof of concept for some potential advanced feature/mechanic thats in devhell and will never make it past the proof of concept stageif ur still interested in that tho i still have some shit for the country select screen rework and a proxy war map special effect minor addition
>>2382579I mean i’m not really into that sorta thing but some compsci nerds on the thread might be interested send it g
>>2382563>>2382579I quit a bit before you did by the sound of things and felt about the same. Total burnout, just an awful place and anyone half decent was crushed or became part of a toxic culture.>CoderI think that's why they ground to a halt. I also did nerd shit like figuring out how TT was supposed to work under the hood and other gameplay bits. Surprise sueprise everything is either static or regressing there. People have been talking about there being a competency crisis there which I guess is unavoidable when you have a hundred artists and poets but no engineers to build your utopia for you.
>>2382326Ashleyfags vs Pacificafags, who wins?
>>2382658Ashleyfags.
>>2382658Ashleyfags have Manchuria, but Pacificafags have an entire fucking game in Victoria 3.
https://files.catbox.moe/k8h8za.mp4Surprised noone mentioned this, even if its pretty minor
>>2382666Pacifica also has all the paths in TNO people actually care about. It also amuses me that Kateryna keeps trying to remove things she made out of jealousy which is another W because the entire Reich team seethes uncontrollably over it and have struggled for years to remove the past to no avail.
>>2382670Doesn't work but what is it?
>>2382694Latest Requiem Teaser, they made picking the colors for Ideologies fully modular for the playerBackground is some poll they had a month-ish ago, where they asked if people want Liberalism to be yellow or stay blue.
>>2382747https://www.reddit.com/r/TNORequiem/comments/1srdw7p/a_little_mechanical_addition_to_requiem/They finally posted it on reddit aswellNo Idea why catbox broke
>>2382749Oh my fucking God they resolved all the ideology autism battles. Not even joking and I hope other people steal it. There are so many times this pisses me off and I don't want a submod for everything.
>>2382563Being burn-out is a terrible thing because of the terrible leadership. I was in another mod, I poured my heart into writing and resarching and planning, I was the only, the sole dev of the nation. The lead was a (diagnosed) bipolar schizo, didn't like me at all, despite how much I did for it. So, once another high-ranking dev coded the things I was daydreaming about for months, and I posed the teaser after a few hours. One night sleep later, I was at my happiest, ecstatic about the people enjoying something i've put my heart at... and hours later, I was a forcibly a 'former dev', with the official excuse for the commonfolk that the teaser was unauthorized. Go fuck yourself, I give up modding. I don't care anymore. I'm not going to waste my life on something that can be shredded by morons.
>>2382779You do know that you can make mods without joining some stupid team, right?
>>2382579Could you please show the country select screen rework?
>>2382586>>2382816https://files.catbox.moe/2baj6y.mp4cant find the one i made for tno (prob deleted it in a rage like most stuff lmao) but i found the version i ported to a friends mod so use ur imagination with the borders/ui style, the main concept of the rework was just giving tno a more unique country selection screen by picking countries on an interactable map rather than flags, its prob scrapped now that i left thohttps://files.catbox.moe/bq5trb.mp4theres also this too which was an addition to the proxy system to make stuff more visible on the map rather than stuck in guis by highlighting chaotic flashpoint regionsi sadly cant find the "event rework" that frost was interested in but that was yet another "cool new mechanic" which the greyfags wanted
>>2382611yea, and the worst part is that the burnout from tno is always external rather than internal from my xp, im a major workaholic so burnout is frequently self inflicted but tno was one of the few environments where i got burnt out bc of designers wanting to get a toozer out by a deadline or wtv, the 5th anniversary teasing in particular was hell as one of the few active coders>no engineers to build your utopia for youits so fucking satisfying to see tno lose its skilled coders bc of their own fuckups kek, waiting for the day when complex guis become lost knowledge due to the team just being made up of writers and designers
>>2382749this is cool asf ngl, i was kinda worried requiem would fall into the same issues as tno but they seem to be doing okay
>>2382981I don't even think they have any designers even at least not ones that know how the game works or care. When you look at their plans a lot of it's just political sperging and pointless shit no one's even going to see. So you have a team of writers, artists and narrative builders. Because when I look at the charts in the newest leaks at no point do I ever feel like it was made for someone to play.
Hi, everyone! Work on TSAR AND SOVIETS continues unabated, and we are busy playtesting and balancing it right now! We wanted to show off the new Russian raiding system that's coming with the new update, which will give every Russian nation a lot more choice and variety in choosing their raiding stance and raiding aim. Combined with that, not only will you get an extra variety of things to invest your loot in, but the new gathering for loot will now have varied outcomes, some good, some bad, some fantastic. Who knows what your searching parties will find out there in these vast Russian lands?
>>2382985Requiem is just a normal-ass mod at this point like Red Dusk or any other. And you know what, I'm OK with that.
>>2382976that's so fucking cool man. In case you can get past your burnout and hatred of TNO, you should go over to Requiem who are now doing full motion video intro's and stuff like this >>2382670 Apparently there is a major big shot coder from TNO named Curving that went over to Requiem and is doing all those kinds of things for them now.Also they probably despise TNO as much as you do in case you think they're somehow related to TNO itself
>>2383028>I have a reason to play Russia againCool.>>2383031>They despise TNOI think that was more true last year when TNO actively attacked them but since they're increasingly irrelevant and stagnant now I think it's more like an unfriendly indifference. Though I bet devs there that are TNO formers probably hate them more than the average guy.
>>2383031This wasn't curving, this was I think Ruskaz? Current GWR lead.I do wonder, how the flying fuck does Requiem manage to have all these goated Coders???I dislike Glazing them, but honestly big props to their Lead Coder, guy seems to be great at nurturing talent or atleast getting it to stick around.I mean, from what I've heard the code team used to be literally just him during the release of BOTI, and now it has people that can do all kinds of magic shit.
>>2383042Oh also from the few rumors I've heard, the lead coder is apparently also the person in charge of PR, or atleast talking to YouTubers and other mods n shit.Crazy how Requiem was the mod that managed to limit how bad Fives sperging can get.
>>2383046if the team lead is a sperg, why haven't they removed him yet then?
>>2383046I think the stuff with Five was just growing pains when he became a lead and the mod hadn't found a good structure yet. It's pretty common when something blows up. Also I don't know if the coder is in charge of PR but I've seen him in YT comments responding to Requiem videos so at least he does outreach.Really if TNO had just focused a bit more on regular game features and tried to be friendlier with third parties that mod would still be in a decent state. Call it copium but maybe they can right the ship after Iberia. I doubt it'll happen with the current leadership, but it's at least possible as long as those people either change or step down.
>>2383052Guess he stopped being a sperg.
>>2382981>>2382611You two should consider joining Requiem nglATP its basically evolved into a haven for ex-TNO devs that TNO knows it cant touch, because thats the most surefire way to have it get strewn across the entire HOI4 modding scene.Like from what I know Requiem has people that are large in basically every major mods community. EAW? TFR? OWB? KR? All of those have atleast one person with a direct link to both Requiem and the major mod.>>2383052Why risk drama inside the mod when you can just constrain someone?>>2383053Yeah thats why I emphasised that its rumors. Theres hints here and there that they might be true, but who knows.
>>2383057Does it really matter if he's in charge of it? The important thing is that you have devs doing normal outreach to people. Again: TNO itself would be in a much better place if they just had devs occasionally just be friendly with the wider community and people who make content like videos or submods. Instead they cause shit shows like when QPQ got himself banned from EaW for being a retard.
>>2383069>QPQHe also picked a fight with Kaiserreich for no fucking reason.
>>2383084Do you mean the Huey Long drama or did he do something new?
>>2383088yep that one
>>2383089>This motherfucker is one of their top diplomatsJust letting any random contrib be their outreach guy would've saved them so many headaches.
>>2383093>TNO dev team is full of troons>They are all mentally ill and quick to emotional outburstsCoincidence?
>>2383031if i ever do mod tno again itd def be requiem as they seem less retarded and top heavy, big if tho as modding in general is still ass>Curvingoh cool, curving being there is epic, he taught me a lot of stuff and is prob the closest thing to a modding mentor i had
>>2383141They aren't though. Most of the people on the team that are in positions of power including the entire US leadership are just liberal dudes.
>>2383143All these stories about people like him, you and others leaving really had me convinced that the competency crisis is real over there.
>>2383069that eaw drama mightve been the most retarded thing ever, i worked as an ambassador/PR in addition to doing nerdshit as i was the only team member to actually be active outside of tno and it rly did hit me how stupid and antisocial the project leads and admins were right then, literally severed our connection with one of the few mods that tolerated us just bc some former dev who moved to eaw (justifiably) complained abt working on tno during TT release
>>2383149Since you were on the inside can you shed some more light on what happened? Is it true that it was just Mango's gang going after a former dev?
>>2383141the dev team isnt even full of trannys, hasnt been like that forever, pretty sure the only one who is even remotely involved in admin is kateryna, the rest are just reddit liberal men
>>2383152yes it was literally just that, so fucking retarded, i wish they left the pr stuff to people who actually did pr jfc
>>2383157>Torched their relations with the least drama-ridden mod out there over petty, irrelevant shitSeriously fucking why?
>>2383160Ex tno dev refugee was talking in EaW about insane crunch and abusive practices, and then QPQ goes in making threats of getting that ex dev fired from eaw and gets banned right away and the tno partnership with eaw burnt immediately
>>2383160damned if i know why, the funniest thing ever is that corn and hic werent even talked to b4hand, they just went right in without talking to anyone from the pr department, i only found out abt the whole thing bc i have friends who work on eaw ask me about it after the fact
>>2383163>Caused a massive shitstorm because a relative nobody said that the team has bad work practicesHas he not heard about the Streisand Effect?>>2383182Didn't Corn leave shortly afterwards? Might be connected. No one here liked Corn's rework plans but he never acted like a maniac in public. wtf it sounds like the whole thing could've been avoided by just asking Corn what to do.
>>2383190Nah Corn left like half a year or so after iirc
>>2383193Still can't imagine that shit like this made him want to stay longer.
>>2383190yea, ik its a hot take on this thread but i never rly minded corn, he was one of the few team admins who wasnt entirely incompetent and pulled his own weight rather than drafting some retarded plan and then offloading it onto some high school student to implement
>>2383214I don't think it's that hot of a take. Even the baker said that he was his favorite at one point. He was good joke fodder but ultimately didn't cause any actual damage to the mod. He simply continued his predecessor's rework plans and he himself managed to get Ukraine released. In hindsight it's clear too that most of the things people hated him for at the time like all the Russian war changes were from the Reich team anyway.
>>2383214I honestly wish some billionare just bought the Ip, got a bunch of jeets to finish up the mechanics but kept the same writers for the direction. And we could probably get tno along with a tfr integration done in like a year tops
>>2383232> tfr integration? do you mean something else
>>2383260Yes, sorry TFO, my bad. So basically have tfo integrated as a separate start date, but you can play regular tno up to the 90s if you really don't have a life
>>2383262That sounds fucking awful holy shit I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
>>2383263playing tfo or playing up to the 90s? either way I wouldnt mind playing a single playthru for a month or so. I did the same with elden ring and I can usually bang out a single tno game in about 3 days or so. so playing to the 90s is like 2 weeks max if your just going home and playing for a couple hours after work
>>2382666Anon, working on Victoria 3 isn't the compliment you think it is.
>>2383266It sure is a hell of a lot better than how things went for the people that she left in the dust and actively try to erase her tags.
Small TNO:RA toozer
From the TFO server so take with a grain of salt, but apparently most design work for the demo is finished
>>2383304lmfao
>>2383312Ironic how we’re getting manchuria in a spin off mod first rather than the base game
>>2383312Big Weld will save TNO one day, mark my words. The colonial satrap shall rise and become the Emperor over TNO's realm of reworks and turn it all around.
>>2383384Sort of a lisan al gaib in this content desert
>>2383214and also considering how the new guy has been quite inactive
>>2383312He publicly delayed the demo to 2027 already lol its never coming out he says every year that its coming out anytime soon
>>2383304It's like I'm experiencing TNO's leaks inside the mod itself
Requiem status?TNO:RA status?TNO status?
>>2383485>RequiemThey're releasing a new Russian unifier and updating some universal mechanics for Russia. You can read about it here: >>2383028They seem to be doing OK.>RAThey're making content for Dengist Speer and have been posting small teasers for it all over the thread. They seem to be trying to improve their quality and get more helpers so that it isn't just a few people doing everything.>TNOIberia's been delayed for four months, the latest presumably being caused by a Ukraine rework being bolted onto the update after the last tag lead was purged/quit. Also, dozens of their WIP flowcharts and documents leaked. You can find all of them here by searching for "catbox", they're all over the place.I don't want to seem like a shill for the others since I was actually looking forward to Iberia changing the narrative but TNO is just TNO.
>>2383430Yeah, but because they actually posted proof that they'd actually been doing work (focus trees and a shitload of teasers) at the end of last year I'm choosing to hope it comes out eventually.
>>2383512nayrt but I also just don't distrust Big Weld and his merry band. He may be wrong or off the mark but I don't think he intentionally lies and I don't think they just make things up or erase entire tags over clique drama like TNO does.
>>2383512Focus tree with no effects and reworked teasers arent proof of work
>New DLC drops>Despite being relatively minor it'll reset the TNO patch clock>Several more weeks if not months without an updateIberia has been in fine tuning since December by the way.
>>2383516They do have clique drama, their Lead coder got purged and deleted off the face of the internet.
>>2383530That was TNOs fault iirc, he got caught up in the Italy thing and decided to leave modding altogether.
>>2383540Probably the reason why we are getting so many leaks recently too, he or those who knew him decided to get back at it in revenge. Its a shame that what seemed to be a very dedicated coder got retired cause of mangos bullshit.Very weak from Big Weld to not try to defend his lead coder but I understand why you wouldnt want mango onto you next.
>>2383521Jesus fucking christ how hard is it for the devs to just say “hey just roll back to the previous update so we can patch this at a later date” Like it cannot be that humiliating to release an update for a previous version cause a dlc came out unexpectedly
>>2383553They should honestly just leak all the flowcharts and dev documents to the community cause I guarantee you they will get everything done mechanics and all by just making submods. Tno should just be the mod that integrates community submods because the only justification for tno is to give content to the community which they can’t even do. You might as well just make it a community project at this point
>>2383530Not tryna shill for Requiem, but he shoulda just joined Requiem then.It's the probably best way for ex-tno Devs to get back at TNO
>>2383572I cant imagine anyone would be eager to go back to hoi4 modding after that shitshow. It's really a shame that they are ruining coding talent with clique drama when its the thing they need the most.
>>2383572No it's not, there's PNO
>>2383553Makes sense. The leakers seemed to hate some groups and not others. Also I agree, kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't thing for Weld. I'd honestly have done the same and tried to stay above it all pris defending the guy might've led to reprisals and more harassment from the QPQ types.>>2383572Getting back at TNO might've been a thing a few years ago but now the mod's dead. Like a crime more that became a bum hooked on his own crack. You've already won. No need to continue the cycle unless you really want to mod for the fun of it.
>>2383587True, R and RA walked so that PNO can run.
>>2383585Hardly anyone seems to enjoy their time there and every time someone gets out it always ends up being something they have to overcome with time.
>>2383629what's PNO again?
>>2383644Plankton's New Order. It's a Spongebob take on old TNO's vibes. It's mostly a shitpost mod and a lot of its support is probably ironic but it's actually not too.
>>2383611you misunderstand the point of tno still existing it's not about mod development anymore it's an asylum for the most rancid people in hoi4 modding scene
>>2383663>TNO is like a containment boardThat makes sense. Most people that are into nuTNO don't play HOI4 and just care about vibes and politics.
>>2383143Just for interest who are you? I’ve mentored a couple people over the past few years and still got more to reach. HMU on discord again if you wanna chat. There’s a lot of other cool things people like Rus have been doing recently based on stuff I taught them. It’s really cool to see more people making cool things with what I figured out
>>2383647I'm surprised that SpongeBob content isn't being done first, he's the face of it all.
Wonder if TMT will release today because of the new dlc. Not like the famously transparent devs will let us know
>>2383716>Kick out an infamously troubled update early on the day of a DLC dropThere's literally no way that wouldn't end in a disaster.
>>2383724Kaiserreich released their update today. Why can’t TNO just be prepared
>>2383724Theoretically it's possible that Paradox back channeled DLC stuff to mod makers so they could update them for compatibility. It happened with Gotterdammerung.
>>2383731>Why can't the most dysfunctional mod out there be as prepared as the guys that have a direct line to Paradox and haven't had major drama in a decadeIt's a mystery. But seriously, KR just put out a hotfix and TNO could do that too if they hadn't purged all their coders. I just don't see them releasing a fix alongside an update that's been in dev hell for this long.
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>>2383745Yeah probably.
>>2383745Yeah probably. Nice thought though.
I noticed another minor thing that puts Requiem above TNO, though it really genuinely is a super minor thing.Requiem lets submods display themselves pretty prominently on their main discord server, and I think released submods get even more publicity?In comparison, for base TNO to do this, you have to meet some silly requirements like letting TNO have access to your dev channels/server.I think its genuinely insane how you can notice the core principles shine through just from this bit alone.Requiem focuses on "Release something", base TNO focuses on "Eh, teasers is enough".But at the same time, Requiem allows people to showoff their stuff more freely simply by existing, while TNO is more heavyhanded with that.Very interesting how this reflects the mods themselves.Requiem is less restrictive with what can be developed, while at the same time ensuring designers dont get rewarded for taking ages. (PICREL, thx to the anonymous source that sent this to me)TNO meanwhile is incredibly restrictive with what can be developed, but is fine with shit taking genuine years.
>>2383892The acess to dev channels thing isn't just some silly requirement, they do it to so they can frame you for being some type of "-ist" whenever you step out of line or do some imaginary transgression against them. They did it just a few weeks ago on TCT, posting a whole Docs file with screenshotted messages taken out of context to their reddit to ban a whole team they didn't like.
>>2383892You forgot your picture man.
>>2383892It's not that complicated. Requiem's just a regular mod and they run their community like a lot of other mods do. TNO with its endless red tap, hierarchies and cliques is run more like a corporation or a political party.What you say isn't all that new by the way it's been a trend ever since they promoted that Free France mod even before it was compatible with theirs. A bit of community positivity goes a long way.
>>2383898nayrt but the requirement to let a TNO higher up have access to submod teams and their dev channels predates the TCT clique taking over the mod. Even if everything's on the up and up do you really want these people to be able to read about the development processes of your team? You just know they're the type to share it well beyond that one observer.
>>2383899Did it work this time?Might have to switch away from Internet Explorer, this piece of shit is so slow and keeps bugging out.
>>2383929>He uses IEWackiest claim in this thread.
>>2383930Hey man atleast I dont use Netscape Navigator still, I'm up to date.Thats why its probably slow and buggy though, unproven tech.
>>2383711if i wanted people to know who i was then i wouldve been a tripfag, that being said tho anyone from the team who remembers me could prob figure out who i am based on my typing style and the tags/mechanics i mentioned working on>HMU on discordthx for the offer but im good, im kinda done with modding and if i ever do end up going back itll be smth completely unrelated to tno (maybe a trench crusader mod if theres any demand for that? idk)
>>2383734unless they changed their policy, it happens with every update for every large mod that meets a certain criteria, a select few devs can sign an NDA and theyll give u the dlc for free a few weeks early so u can release a day one update, pdx staff arent stupid, they know most players only play the game bc of mods>"source??"i used to be the lead coder for paxbrit b4 joining tno so i had the dubious honor of being one of those invited few
The following message is relayed by the TNO:RA team on behalf of Dr. Ron Paul:It's happening.
>>23837131. There will be a spongebob B-plot for every route so it would be redundant 2. Spongebob has never shown willingless or capacity to be in a leading role so there's nothing to work off from
>>2379939Hans Kehrl technocratic path looks so fucking KINO
>>2383560it's just the excuse not the cause of any delaysthere's no need to roll anything back when iberia update is still just pdf flow charts
>>2384138>he's not Papepilled and Glotzmaxxing
>>2384165Doesn't matter when the only real outcome is reworkmaxxing and delaypilling.
>>2384165Kehrl and Pape arent that different, their economic model is about the same.Only real difference is expanding the mass party base which Pape wants while Kehrl wants less party involvement in the state
>>2384244Why do you careIt's been in dev hell for yearsIt'll never release It'll get reworked again Why bother at this point
>>2384165Kerl and pape are both retarded in their own unique way. Unironically Jordan is probably best for long term stability as his party is hardcore anti gerentocracy as it prioritizes younger leadership who are generally more in tune with the mood of the german public Papes changes are far too radical and will just cause domestic instability whereas Kehrls managerial state has little accountability to the german public and its needs and is generally inefficient as seen with managerial classes around the world today Jordan’s vision creates a capable ruling class that prevents stagnancy internally while projecting dynamism internationally
>>2384275As a quick aside, generally speaking you want your leadership class to be around 30-65 years old, preferably toward the younger end of that spectrum. If your older than 65 well, Just look at how incompetent congress is, nuff said. Whereas having your leadership being very young, creates risks of rash decision making.
Which devhell German leader is best for science? Kehrl?
>>2384297Goering. He has the Liger which no one else does and that makes him cooler.
>>2384297probably, That is what the flowchart says. But I dislike kehrl because spending more money than necessary on scientific pursuits is bad for germany in the cold war. Why? Because germany needs to gain the industrial capacity to rival the united states in order to win the cold war and every mark not spent on that pursuit gives the americans more power in the long run. So basically every fuhrer that doesn’t gdp max hurts germany in the long run
>>2384312>germany needs to gain the industrial capacity to rival the united states in order to win the cold warI wonder about that. By the time Kehrl would come to power (~1978), America would already be undergoing deindustrialization in OTL. If Speer reintegrates Germany into the world economy they'd probably follow the US's lead and focus more on services/white-collar work. Kehrl's investments in science and computerization would make that shift a lot less painful.
>>2384337nayrt but im not sure the deindustrialization will happen tnotl. The US cant relocate their production facilities to China as they did otl and the US-led OFN is much less industrialized than otl NATO which means these countries will buy solely from the US. I personally dont like technocrats cause they are far less ideologized than the party mainstream. They will import million pakis if it decreases the cost of labour.
>>2384337Deindustralization doesn’t happen in tno as japan and germany basically control the old world so america cant offshore jobs. Even in their own sphere, Its not like you can offshore jobs like manufacturing to Australia or canada since they are developed nations with high wages. If anything the primary issue of america is keeping their own industry working as domestic labor costs will prevent growth in us industries. This actually happened otl in the auto industry where wages and benefits were simply too high for companies to afford, causing them to raise prices on their product to cover the cost which left them vulnerable to japanese and german manufacturers who could manufacture cheaper and produce more with less. In the US i can imagine companies lobbying (or more accurately begging) to lower wages so they can actually compete and congress, not wanting to lower domestic wages in fear of electoral consequences, Allows for mass migration to solve the issue. This obviously causes problems and it’s very possible america could be at the state we’re in rn in the 1990sMind you this would make race relations a fucking nightmare and may lead to an unironic race war not so subtly prodded by the germans and japanese
>>2384343Probably russians but yeah They would do scummy shit like that. Germany and europes domestic birth rate being higher than otl might prevent that, but the technocrats still probably do mass immigration. Speaking of birth rates, the nazi european birth rate gives them so much more of an edge compared to the US in the tno tl. You get all the advantages of cheap labor, none of the social turmoil and if things cost too much there is always the colonies as a release valve for social tension
>>2384364Im not sure if russians are capable to do the white mans job. Their consumer products were horrible even amongst other socialist economies within the Warsaw Pact. And now they are losing to China even on domestic market despite high tariffs. And about birth rates im convinced that they wont be as high as you believe them to be. Government support and/or penalties doesnt cause the birth rate to increase. USSR tried to this and failed, Russia and Poland are trying to do it now and failing miserably.
>>2384385Russian birth rates would probably start rising soon after reunification, as the state gets itself back on its feet.
>>2384385It isn’t government support or penalties that promote the birth rate that is true, What does is culture and young men having opportunities to provide for women. In the pakt the media constantly promotes a culture of natalism, Children aren’t portrayed as a burden but as a status symbol and a gift. Women naturally orient themselves towards the social norm of any given society so if that society is aggressively pro natal, So will its women. Remember that women in the south were the most ardent supporters of segregation and apartheid when they were around. Yes wealth does have in impact on the birth rate, People have less children when times are bad that is true. But western women weren’t having children when times were good either. That was caused by the social norm being feminist and career oriented rather than family oriented. They didn’t have children because the (((media))) told them it wasnt fashionable to have kids young, They told them to delay or just not have any. This is why there was a “autism epidemic” a lot of boomers had kids later in life which leads to spikes in birth defects like autism
>>2384401Plus women aren’t in the workforce (and even if they are, it’s probably part time and not enough to live alone) and birth control is banned, What else are women going to do? it’s not like feminism can catch on cause the media is controlled and even otl most women weren’t feminists. what about birth control you may ask? well the germans will just tell women that it makes them infertile and that its a jewish plot to make them spinsters. The women would eat that shit up because many were die hard nazis even otl
>>2384401>>2384419Right, but you forgot about distinction between culture and realities on the ground. In 1939 the share of german women within the workforce was higher than both UKs and USs. It is virtually impossible for a developed nation to exclude women from the workforce and it wasnt the Hitler's goal. Historically speaking, there are only 2 situations when "tradwives" are possible: african level poverty when women are staying at home simply because there are no work for them outside of it or extremely rich families when husband can provide for the whole family. None of this applies to the middle class. And about birth control ban, im not sure it will exist. Come on, banning condoms will cause a massive unrest even amongst the most hardline nazis.
>>2384450It is hard to exclude women from the workforce true, But you can make sure their wages are lower and that they work less hours so they have to depend on a man to survive. Also when I was referring to birth control, I’m referring to the pill, Iuds and whatnot not condoms. Plus we already have an irl example of how effective nazi germanys natalism programs would be by just looking at communist romania. Decree 990 increased the TFR from 1.9 to 3.7 (an increase in tfr by almost 2 which is nuts) and this was in a communist state with a dysfunctional economy. You don’t even have to be as extreme as decree 990 to get a similar effect
>>2384468made a mistake it was decree 770 mistook it for the tax form lmao
>>2384468Women already had lower wages in Nazi Germany and they are still paid less otl despite the equal pay laws. If you mean the artificial handicapping it will cause a massive economical and societal unrest. As for working less hours, wouldnt that be just the form of exclusion? Someone still has to take her place. I just checked the decree you were talking about and wiki says it caused a short-lived spike by banning abortions. Abortions were already banned in Nazi Germany and are banned in otl Poland now so the said ban cant be a long-term solution as people will simply learn to use birth control like in the said case of Romania.
>>2384516I was typing out a big response to all your points, But I don’t want to derail the thread to much Because I was talking about US industry and the pitfalls of the new deal system that would rear its ugly head in a multi polar world order. If you still want that response to the points you brought up I do have it saved, But I just don’t want to get off topic because it is a long ass response and I can only spend so much time on 4 chan
>>2384552I mean who the fuck cares about derailing, you can write whatever you want.
>>2384661jannys that’s who, Btw if your a janny here, I hope they double your pay for the hot pocket budget
>>23846682x0=0 Im the guy you were discussing dv last thread.
>>2384689I need to check the last thread, dont remember discussing dv Cuz I think i just lurked
>>2384552tell me about US industry and multipolarism anon
>>2384700Ok, so back to it, so as I was saying, the US industry's problem is that it can't really grow much and is generally rather stagnant. The new deal system relies on big business and big labor to prop it up; however, those two things would be a massive problem here. Big business stamps out competition with the government's tacit consent (because it's easier to deal with one big company than 40 small ones), and Big labor keeps wages unnaturally high. This causes domestic products to become much more expensive, as big companies have to raise prices to improve workers' compensation. As these companies gradually become an oligopoly, lobbying increases labor costs, and then the prices of goods go up. This will cause the economy to stagnate The only real way to solve this problem is to deregulate the shit out of your internal market, allowing the market to create competitors and lower prices. Or you could open the borders to lower labor costs and relieve pressure on the system.In the TNO tl, since the US can't offshore its jobs to foreign countries, what it has to do is bring foreigners to prop up the domestic industry. TLDR: The US triples down on mass immigration in order to compete to preserve the oligopoly. Now this would be a disaster domestically, But I didn't touch upon the international consequences. Because if this happens, which it probably would, the Germans are going to have the biggest "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO" in human history. The entire justification of the pakt is that the Americans are run by a Jewish cabal hellbent on turning Europe into a mixed-race hellhole, and the Americans pulling something like this would be the biggest vindication for nazi idelogy. This is something the devs probably haven't thought out, but the more liberal and internationalist the US is, the more united the pakt becomes. So if the Americans want to actually liberate Europe, it would actually have to chud out and present itself as "the reasonable Germania."
>>2384717>Can't offshore jobsSeems silly. In most cases they will have as options Mexico, the carribean, most of South America, then there's the what ifs like south Africa (cheap labor a plenty) and also India and then there's the chunks of Africa they can get if free France and South Africa win.Seems to me in most outcomes there will be plenty of low labor cost places available for offshoring
>>2384908>America offshores jobs to Russia >"It's unrealistic for there to be another war so soon.">All Ford plants in western Russia bombed within days of the war breaking out It'd be funny.
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>>2385264Thank you for your service.
