>>2387938
>Menace
more like men ass

>>2387938
this vatnik is useless

>>2387994
Yaz is great, he absolutely fucks over enemy morale.

>>2387977
I love men ass!

>>2387995
Which makes him useless against half of the enemy factions because Xenos and MENACE don't have morale.

>>2388061
Bugs all have morale, guncrawlers also have morale.

>>2388073
You're right I confused morale with suppression.

Late game any faction with morale just chain routs. It doesn't matter how many tanks they field if they all start running after you kill a few of them. Yaz is useless against the one faction that remains any threat.

debating if I should start a new run for the update since I havent played it in a hot minute, my last save is right before doing the story menace mission so id be prime to experience the new workshop content but wont get to experience the early game with the supply rework and the save feels like I can run everyone I got pretty much

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i want the tanks already

>>2388490
What a shame they will be useless outside of comedy 100 hour runs

>>2388490
the roster isn't diverse enough
get rid of the four white people so it can be even blacker and brown and female

>>2388518
>the four white people
australians and gingers confirmed nonwhite

Are menace going to be a gruelling, slow, HPcheck grind-em-down fight forever? I hate that.

Should I get into this game now? I'm leery of early access. Will this cuck me if I get too invested and will have to start over by the time they finish the plot or is it not like that?

Is the update big enough to come back for another campaign? Doesn't really seem like much.

>>2388539
play? sure why not
buy? eh, not really worth the price

>>2388539
pirate it and do a playthru

>>2388534
just shoot more boolet

>>2388534
>Are menace going to be a gruelling, slow, HPcheck grind-em-down fight forever?
You can 1 shot KO the drones with the right build.
Pretty sure you can do that to the soldiers too (high capacity SMG, maybe AP shotguns?)

>>2388590
>the right build
my darby with 4 dudes and SOC kpac and match ammo oneshots the nonsoldier menace infantry squads and im 100% sure its not any kind of optimal build

>>2388598
Darby is one of said optimal builds.
Her trait lineup makes her do comically huge damage to when she's in concealment which she always is.

>>2388539
I don't think so. I got 2 playthroughs done in a few days. There's hardly anything there yet. What's there is great, but it feels like they need to at least triple the content for it to be worth the asking price. Best bet is to probably wait a few years for release and a few DLCs.

>>2388539
>Should I get into this game now?
Would you enjoy Xcom 2 if it wasn't total shit? Then get the game.
If you don't think that sounds good, don't get it.

>>2388620
>>2388617
>>2388571
>>2388587
much to think about anons but you see i am a true storygamer in the sense im most interested in plot and atmosphere. I would play "slamming your dick and balls into a car door repeatedly deluxe edition" if it had cool atmosphere and an intriguing plotline. Xcom gameplay? Happy to learn if it has that stuff, ive never met a genre i didnt like. So like, from that perspective, do i lose anything buying in now (ie get to stopping point in campaign currently, 1.0 drops, they delete my save or something, alternately just waiting years for a crumb of story progression) or is it fine to drop in now.

>>2388633
>im most interested in plot and atmosphere
Ok yeah definitely hold off then. There's nothing there in terms of story. You go to a system and do missions and in the background a rogue AI is running rampant. There may never really be a story if they are aiming for more of a sandbox like battle brothers.

>>2388633
>im most interested in plot and atmosphere
eh
its supposedly be the story game with characters but its not yet and there is its meh in general

>>2388633
again, pirate and enjoy it now. and then depending on your experience, be excited for what they might do in the future

>>2388073
Why do Guncrawlers out of all the Menace units have morale? Is it because they somehow use Pirate/Rogue Army vehicle code or something? Is it purely because they're Vehicles?

>>2388662
Yes, but lore reasons is that guncrawlers are a advanced unit that is resource intensive to manufacture, and self preservation protocols kick in if damaged enough so it can withdraw for repair.

>>2388633
> i am a true storygamer in the sense im most interested in plot and atmosphere
Hold off until the story is completed, right now the story basically goes
>You are marine dude and your superiors died in an 'accident'
>Oh noes, big cyborg niggas fucking shit up
>TO BE CONTINUED!

>>2388662
>Why do Guncrawlers out of all the Menace units have morale? Is it because they somehow use Pirate/Rogue Army vehicle code or something? Is it purely because they're Vehicles?
Guncrawlers are modelled as 'big biological units' similar to blaster bugs, which also means the big game hunter nukes them with bonus damage. Also why they have morale.

>>2388684
>you’re a space marine on a base on a Martian moon
>suddenly, demons from hell
>what do?
Still better story than 90% of modern games that focus on their shitty ass writing and unlikeable characters

>>2388698
In that I cannot disagree. I'd rather a simple story than an overly complicated shit one.

>>2388684
That's all it really needs to be. We REALLY don't need a "America/capitalism/Whites/Men" bad propaganda slop, just let us play Marines in Spess.

>>2388639
>>2388649
>>2388657
>>2388684
alright cool, i think if its that barebones i'll actually try it out. Like by the time 1.0 comes out hopefully the story will be actually polished so even going back to early game won't feel bad and i'll have a bit of a handle on it.

>>2388742
>"America/capitalism/Whites/Men" bad propaganda slop
what about "America/capitalism/Whites/Men" good propaganda slop?

>>2388744
try it, i have feeling that its ''more fun in EA than in 1.0'' type of game

>>2388744
yeah they gonna patch the fun out of it based on feedback from modern retard gamers because its clearly too much game to handle for them

>>2388747
Please, if you know of such a product in current hear, inform me of it

>>2388851
>what about "America/capitalism/Whites/Men" are bad good quality propaganda ?

>>2388854
>word salad
Please Rajesh, learn to make a point

>>2388858
point is - you are loser, now cry more

>>2388860
Gibberish

how is the elsa? I never got it before and just got it from a random event near the start of my new campaign

>>2388991
great vs menace, overkill against everything else

>>2388991
Good against the Heavy Infantry of Menace and Rogue Army. Otherwise too much of an overkill with poor supression against chaff infantry, but great at melting armor. Wouldn't use it against Guncrawlers unless they're disabled.

>>2388995
>>2388997
well good that i got something in advance to use when i hit the menace for free

>>2388991
>>2388997
My advice would be to give it to SL who use Squad Weapons as their main source of damage, and use ELSA as infinite ammo back up against heavily armored troops, SL's like Yaz, Lim or Vamplew. Preferably if their squad weapons deal good suppression.

>>2389003
And even then it's kind of a waste of slot since you can use the 2 accessory slots to give them ammo pouches and armor piecing ammo to deal with the heavies. I really don't know what to do with it currently. It's underwhelming currently. The Laser Rifles are just superior and you can take 8 of them.

>>2388991
i love it
you can run it with a minimal squad and delete most enemies at good range

it lacks the outright anti vehicle capacity of dedicated at weapons but it makes up for it with fantastic versatility and fire rate
similarly it lacks the fire rate to truly be an excellent anti infantry weapon but it is good enough to still be functional and benefits from solid range, minimal falloff, and infinite ammo
>>2389003
hard disagree
if you aren't spamming the esla then don't even bring it
why pay a huge premium for a special weapon just to use arcs anyway?
i typically give it darby and keep a minimal squad with just a few shotguns
>>2389006
your comparisons are imbecilic
8 laser rifles is a vastly more expensive option even without considering armor etc
ap ammo and pouches are, themselves, cheaper but also require good weapons and squaddies to be effective
in contrast the elsa is 50 supply and is all a sl needs to be effective
you don't need squaddies, you don't need armor, you don't need support at, or weapon accessories
all you really need is camo and scavenger rags/jaeger fatigues
3 shots at 8 range doing 240 armor damage or 120 hp damage with the same penetration as crowbars is enough to kill almost any unit in two salvos

it has a place in almost any composition as a cheap and versatile response to virtually any threat
i'd class it as one of the best items easily
9 laser rifles is obviously stronger but also costs more than double the plasma gun and has significantly more falloff

>>2389047
Well, with the promotion tax getting, there's practically no reason not to bring 5 fully kitted out squads.
By the time you'll get ELSA you'll already have 2k supplies to deploy with.

>>2389082
*promotion tax getting cut

>>2389006
> I really don't know what to do with it currently. It's underwhelming currently
It was very good before nerf, with iirc 60 pen. I had half squad with this fancy nigger in heaviest armor + laser rifles and elsa, it was not my most powerfull squad but it could kill any target lighter than stug.
Now, with 35 pen? Lol. Lmao even.

>>2389102
Which is goddamn funny to me because most MMGs and some high tier LMGs have higher armor pen like SSW. Despite the fact that it's clearly intended to be used as a suppression tool, but it has such a high fire rate that it can reduce Menace Heavy Infantry to half health with 2 bursts.

>>2389104
Balance is real menace (c).

I want the battle tank NYOW give me it RIGHT NYOOOW!!!!

>>2388991
Elsa is pretty cool

For a while I thought none of the squad leaders were useless, but now I'm back to thinking these three are. Does anyone know how to make use of them?
>Carda
Not only do her stats suck, but her perks do too. Only share the load is good. It makes her alright with a tripod weapon, but without AP and without vanguard, the fighting usually already moved on by the time she can set up.
>Bog
You need huge investment to make him merely ok. Anything beyond a pirate truck with a radar is a waste on him.
>Vamplew
Soaking up fire before returning it in a burst sounds alright. Except he has no damage perks to make use of it. His out-of-cover perk doesn't work if the enemy touches cover on any sides.

>>2389623
Carda is an ATGM ammo carrier and buffs your whole squad while she's on the field
Bog is...Yeah he's shit now. He's super cheap but at the cost of not making your vehicle strong
Vamp is in theory able to tank a lot of damage with the right build.

>>2389623
Carda has a pretty solid morale buff skill, I've had some success using her as a pure scout/call-out-target character. As you said yourself, share the load is great for defensive missions where you can just set her up with an ATGM paired with a marker SL.
I guess Bog is usable as the cheapest possible option if you want a rocket organ. That's about it.
Vamplew's unique, in my opinion, sucks. But that is kind of due to the fact the game's meta atm is not being shot at all. However, he starts with 105 AP and has much better crit chance than other 2 star SLs. Just use him as a general infantryman without any specialization. The out of cover perk is excellent vs menace because they will very rarely be in cover

>>2389623
All three of those have being cheap as one of their main features, which is mostly irrelevant now that they casualized the supply economy to shit so they lose a lot of their appeal. Bog and Carda suffer double here, because they also lost their promotion tax advantage. They might become good early game picks again if they ever unfuck the balance. Vamplew on the other hand could use an armor rework, because his heavy armor focus makes little sense in a game where heavy armor is almost always the inferior choice.

That said:
>Carda
Dedicated tank hunter. She gets the relevant perks for it and Share the Load means she can take more ammo than everyone else. Early game she can an RPG, later on she can upgrade to an ATGM.
Her personal perk guarantees she has good accuracy after the first few turns, and if you take her as a starter her top tier growth makes up for her crappy base stats in the long run.
>Bog
He's cheap as shit, which used to make him a great early-game pilot option so you can afford to field vehicles more consistently before you have higher supply limits and other ways to bring the cost down. But again, that's become mostly irrelevant. He's still a pilot which is good, but he's easily the worst pilot on the roster now.
>Vamplew
His base cost isn't as low as the other two, but his armor discount used to be a decent way to save some supplies. Combined with a nice selection of promotions, he was the ideal guy to put in the (heavy, expensive) pirate boarding armor as jumpjet infantry. He can still do that very well, but his advantage of getting armor for cheap is less relevant.
His unique perks might fool you into thinking he should be a tank, but you never want to deliberately put people in the line of fire in this game so it's less that you should build him as a tank and more than he'll be less fucked when you accidentally overextend or have him caught out of cover, which is still good for jumpjet infantry.

>>2389623
Vamp is the cheap heavy armour user. His perks are designed for him to be a suppressing unit. (Ignoring ap loss from suppress/consecutive hardware usage). You either use him as a tanky lmg or smg squad.
That said, giganigga is the better tank with momentum and reduced suppression. He's much more expensive though.

Carda is the potential character. If you constantly use her she becomes good due to her 9 growth stat. You definitely need athletic and buff on her if you're using tripod weapons.

Bog is the really cheap vehicle support with recycled parts. Put bog in a pirate truck and use a rocket organ with fragmentation.

>>2389623
>Carda
Share the load, mobile infantry with SMG/Shotguns, grenade launchers. Stick her with Achilleas or Bog.
>Bog
ATGM truck with Lucky Shot one shots most vehicles, Medium Mech with double Organ Pipe Launchers paired with fragmentation. He can also be a decent chaff killer with the grenade launcher on APC.
>Vamplew
Quite ironically I found use for him by sticking his black ass in the LPPS with a SSW.

Btw don't use the wiki. It's outdated by a month or two right now.

Fighting the Menace is so miserable. You can't even be aggressive against them since their Skirmishers one shot 3 squaddies at a time even in the heavy armor.

Besides being a meme counter to bugs, has anyone found use for the Aussie? I got him last, so even Carda has 100 AP. The only use I found for him right now is as worse version of Pike as a spotter.

>>2389664
His skill works against all vehicles and some menace units, not just bugs. He has vanguard, that makes him more conventient to use than the other 1 stars. And if it bleeds is a really good perk.
Still he kind of sucks, his unique skill is not that strong. I'm trying to make use of him with the distruptive fire + finisher combo, but it's a lot of work.
I'd rank him third place among the one stars, behind Jean and Sachin.

>>2389675
>His skill works against all vehicles and some menace units, not just bugs.
Since when? Is the skill description lying?

>>2389685
>Since when
Since always. It works on all 'large organic things', which includes tank crews and guncrawlers.

>>2389664
He, uhh, has pretty good accuracy. Shame literally everything else about him sucks, to the point where one of his unique perks is a literal joke

>>2389690
>'large organic things'
That is so fucking retarded. They should've worded in a way that implies that he gains damage buffs against ALL large targets, bugs and vehicles included.

>>2389714
He's not actually supposed to have damage buffs to vehicles, it'll be removed eventually.
But he's absolutely supposed to wreck large MENACE units as they are 'living'.

>>2389623
Honestly it's J.G. who's the worst overall. Only thing he has going for him is that he's cheap.

>>2389649
>Medium Mech with double Organ Pipe Launchers
Mother of God how have I not realized that's an option

>>2389646
Every run I've tried, I take Carda and immediately give her the growth perk. And in every single one of those her fat ass never reached 100 AP.

>>2389718
>Every run I've tried, I take Carda and immediately give her the growth perk
Growth potential is capped at 10. On Carda you only get 1 point instead of 3 added

>>2389718
Growth perk is almost universally pointless.
Even on SL's with low growth potential, spending the points on an 'actual' perk (buff, scout, unique perks, whatever) will get you way more bang for your buck over the game.

>>2389720
>>2389721
Yup. I've had Carda and Bog reach AP 100 at about the same rate despite picking them both as the starting squad.

>>2389715
I think they should rework him entirely. Having an SL pool being occupied by a dude who hard counters certain units of a single faction is retarded.

>>2389623
carda is cheap recon who is perfect for atgm
he innate perk isn't terrible either

bog isn't great but he is cheap
i typically regretted taking him but now that promotion tax is gone he is basically useless
ivey is also terrible but, again, why even take a 1 star vehicle now?

i like vamp
his skill does come into use and his stats are decent
while not the best 2 star he is still a solid 2 star just don't obsess about his perk and think of it as an occasional bonus
>>2389718
i agree jg is useless
his only decent stat is accuracy and his unique perk is often useless

>>2389763
>ivey is also terrible but, again, why even take a 1 star vehicle now?
You can stick her with a long tank gun and take both AP reducing skills and take her bonus aim and damage against marked targets to delete tanks. Also she does wonders with the howitzer mortar.
She can use the second tank shot for 35 AP and then move afterwards, slowly inching forward. Great with Pike, but then again, Pike is great in every squad configuration.

>>2389720
Be real fucking nice if it said that anywhere, that's just a waste of a promotion then.

>>2389763
>Ivey
>terrible
What's terrible about firing six times in one turn? Get both of her end tier perks and she gets a 25 AP cost reduction firing heavy weaponry consecutively. That's fucking goofy. Her only real weakness is keeping her fed ammo when you've got her shitting out 6 to 8 attacks per turn.

>>2389623
>Carda
Dedicated user of smoke mortar, airburst launcher and AT.
>Bog
Cheap vehicle if you tight with supply.
>Vamp
While tanking generally is bad in this game and you want not be shooted at all, this guy have discount on armor and get benefits from get shooted. So it's your heavy frontline squad that can take some hits when things go bad. Since his skills for support weapon and armor cost absurdly high, probably better have him in ~5-6 mens squad: enough models for take some loses, but supply cost not that high as full squad.

>>2389626
bog is an atgm or vehicle radar carrier

>>2389767
>>2389826
>investing that much into a bad sl just to make them ok
You can make anybody work with enough gear and promotions the question is why pick them over anybody else.

>>2389906
ivey is great, shoots the heavy slot double machinegun like 6 times a turn

>>2389664
he has vanguard so he can get into forward observation spots without vehicle assistance much faster than anyone who isnt a 3star while also being the only vanguard character with call out target

>>2389906
...because she's a cheap SL with massive AP reductions that nobody else gets and lets her utilize the good equipment better than other SLs?

>>2389948
>misses every shot

>>2389957
skill issue

>>2389906
>You can make anybody work with enough gear and promotions
So why not take the cheapest options so that gear and promotions are easier to afford?

>>2389957
she is literally incapable of missing every shot, thats kind of her main perk

>>2389967
because promotion tax is gone and better stats make better use of that equipment

the real MENACE are these update delays am i right or am i right HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2390004
I wish they'd have put out a new squad leader with the update, or the tank
also wish they'd make a freaking diary post just saying whats next

>>2390004
yes anon very funny that you post it every day

>>2390012
thanks nigga boy

i hate bombadiers

>>2389970
Negro please, I had her miss a Pirate HMG truck within 5 tiles of her twice. IN DAYLIGHT.

>>2390047
Just don't be in their general vicinity, conehead.

>>2390129
You're not supposed to be using single shot weapons

>>2390129
ok but have you considered using her in nighttime snowstorm missions shooting at enemies hiding behind full cover at max range
because she is the best pilot in the game at that

they gotta change the weapon slot on the apc and ifv to medium because otherwise why would I use the tanks outside of fun factor
like id still plop rewa in one but at least give me a reason for it

>>2390344
the tank can have both a heavy weapon and the light slot at the same time
thats about it

>>2390360
yeah but then so do those other two
so outside of some more armor and for the vibe theres not a real reason to, so i can see them changing it

>>2390344
It's a heavily armored tank. Bog or Gabriel can roll in with zig-zag, minimize silhouette, and hotwire to tank everything.

>>2390363
You cant use both heavy weapon and light weapon, oh except the tank turret.

>>2390381
Gabriel can tank everything in an apc already.

I go last because God is always first

>>2390446
Based retard.

>>2389623
>Carda
good with drones, or target designators if athletic. She's only really good if you start with her, since her growth potential will shine the most if you use her a lot in the early game. so by the time you start hiring new SL's she's about as good as a level2.

But yeah if you don't start with her and get her late, then she's garbage.

Bog.
you say it like being a cheap radar and being the most cost effective scout in the game is a bad thing. Also with his perks, upgrade him to a radar atv and carry some vtam missiles so that you can overload, lucky shot, vtam a target, and then either use radar or pop smoke for defense. very useful.

Vamplew, you don't really want to be shot at, at all, but with vamp you can at least bring good armor. you would think the best thing to do would be to load up on armor and yolo down the middle, but that's just a road to being suppressed (it can work, his ability works well with smoke grenades or target designators, or drones that don't rely on accuracy but require a lot of ap) He's actually better at wearing better than normal armor and engaging from distance where enemy attacks will do less suppression and damage, but also tick up his counter for when he can attack back. You don't want to take 4 attacks a turn, lose all your armor and get pinned down, but you do want to take about 1-2 attacks a turn at further range so that every other turn you can snipe or shoot long distance like crazy.

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>>2390301
>>2390129
Dunno what you guys are on about. This is my Ivey and I'm at the point where the menace intro mission has just spawned. Incredibly solid, and wasn't even the first pull from the dossiers.

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>Stug and Centurion

I mean I don't dislike it, but I was expecting something different.

>>2390484
Do you really need that much ammo?

>estimated 3 fucking weeks until the tanks become available
Atleast I will come with light weapons being equipable on medium slots so Gabriel's going to be zooming around in an ATV.

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>>2390517
Usually

>>2390515
disappointing that they think the next patch will be small since the last patch wasn't that big either, Crafting is nice, but having the equipment require encountering the current late game threat in order to be craftable is weird since in order to unlock the equipment you have to beat the units that you would want the equipment for to beat. So I just kind of get to what I assume is the mid game and find myself not really testing the new equipment out since its just seal clubbing.

Light weapons being able to be slotted into medium weapon slots is cool, I literally just ran into that problem in my game last night where I had two vehicles but only one medium weapon. I wasn't expecting that and seeing even medium walkers able to take light weapons is interesting to me. The vehicle modularity and the different types of vehicles is a great selling point and I kind of hope they lean into it more.

Though I was feeling worse about the updates since i thought the [Redacted] update was one of the major content updates and I was majorly disappointed, but then I looked at the road map again and the redacted update is actually separate from major content updates. So hopefully the next major update pushes the game more into the mid-late game.

>>2390484
>growth potential
cringe.

>>2390531
Doesn't help that every craftable item except for the grenade launcher and the assault rifle are fucking worthless memes.

>>2390517
3 cases is nothing when the game decides to spam guncrawlers at you

what if instead of MENACE they called it NIGGERS IN SPACE

>>2390549
I think two of the items the thermal imager and the skull cap are signs of what kind of enemies we might expect in the future, some that fuck with moral and others that have good concealment.

>>2390484
>growth potential
based

>>2390644
Menace is cooler than niggers.

I want the heavy tank already! Game is fucking boring right now. No replayability.

>>2390845
and the tank will solve it somehow?

>>2390848
Probably not. The game is dead then. Battle Brothers was better.

>>2390515
The APC and IFV have this modern, sleek look to them, very Alien colonial marines.

Then you have a fucking stug and centurion, literal WWII tanks.
I'm not sure what they want the art design to be.

>>2390869
those are TCR vehicles, the stug and and the battle tank are wayback shithole produce

>>2390913
Yeah, but the Waynigs also drive the same APC as TCR

>>2390934
>Yeah, but the Waynigs also drive the same APC as TCR
fair enough, maybe just a thing of "ye wayback can have APC monkey models but they wont get our serious stuff" so no real tanks from the high end TCR produce for backwater system and thus they build their own domestic stuff

i dont frickin wanna wait for the 21st to use the tanks
hopefully that next update brings with it a new squad leader or two since it says new things and i cant imagine it only being the two tanks
maybe another set of workshop items to craft

>>2391273
new things is pirate laser truck and Rogue Army hmg walker

Was the heavy tank good? I never had a chance to try it, but looking at its stats, it doesn't seem so bad. It's tankier than the IFV, while barely costing more. And its main gun is free, so adding that makes it even cheaper than the IFV. I don't see what the point of the battle tank is, though.

name one thing that this game does better than modded oldcom

tfw started a new run a few days ago to experience the new update
tfw seems like ill want to start a new run when the next update drops because of all the changes to weapon slots favoring some early game builds
pain

>>2391460
DEI

>>2391480
My XCF save has soldiers from every corner of the Earth.
I think my top trooper is Congolese.
We have DEI at home.

>>2391487
Correction, my most senior trooper is one Johanna Obama, a Kenyan (kek).

OPPA GANGNAM STYLE

>>2388518
I count 8 whites

OPP
OPP OPP OPP

>>2391465
I've been playing expert ironman, but finding a squadie from earth to rename as myself, and then playing until my squadie dies, and then i just delete the save and start over.

its been fun. I've tried, playing on, but it just never feels right.

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>>2391460
it looks better.
I also like that instead of needing to give my favorite guys RP personalities, they just have them already. and there's a good variety of miscreant types that I never would apply to my own guys, but find strangely fitting.
Pfft... Oui?

I feel like Tech should have been a duke nukem style white man.
I mean he has rambo and a doomguy perk. I get what they were going for with his character but his perk art doesn't fit him and they are unique perks to him.
I also feel he should have had an American name even if he was gonna be a black guy, not some random nigga shit.
Darby also feels annoyingly token as a black lady that also happpens to be like the most elite marine in the game. At least if they referenced it the way they referenced Jean's girlbossing it would be funnier

>>2391922
Tech is your token massive giga-nigga team member, like Mister T.

>>2391922
I fucking love that nigger like you wouldn't believe. His personality is the only reason I even want him on my roster.

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maybe the real giga nigga was inside of us all along?

>>2391958
>POV you're Polish Border Security guard.

>>2391924
>>2391949
don't get me wrong, I love tech, I bring him every run(I like Pike, Lim, Carda, and Tech), I'm just disappointed there's no rambo or dutch, only baracus

>>2392099
They should add an equally huge White dude with a similar perk so you can have the two be bros together on the field.

>>2392104
With a touch of homoeroticism so prevalent in the armed forces.

>>2392104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_01Z497SFa8
I would imagine their interaction would be like this

Perks that everyone said were great but you found them mediocre? For me, it's mobilized infantry.

>>2392302
Mobile infantry is definitely one of them, it's a mediocre tactic that holds back both the vehicle and the infantry squad.
Pointfire maybe? People seem to love it, but on most people it's a waste of a perk slot. I very rarely get into situations where I need need the extra accuracy but wouldn't deploy, especially with athletic.

>>2392373
It's funny that you mention those two, because they go great together. Since MI ideally wants to get out of the vehicle, fire a couple of shots, then get in again, you rarely want to spend the AP to deplay them so Pointfire is great. For similar reasons Run & Gun is also great on MI since you always start your turn with a move action (getting out of the taxi).
Pointfire is also good on jetpack squads because they'll want to deploy as little as possible as well to stay mobile, since you can't jump while deployed.

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How the fuck do you build Gabriel?
His Fervor ability/skill/promotion seems like a meme (until the update that lets you put light weapons on medium slots, that is. Then I will probably consider it)
I tried using him as a sort of mechanized support, for infantry to use as cover, but I already have that in the form of Achilleas (though I also end up just having him rape everything with dual autocannons)

>>2392606
switch them out, gonzales is much better taxi driver, greekaboo a much better mech pilot
get the divine protection perk and your taxi should never get damaged while the squad from inside deletes everything

>>2392611
>greekaboo a much better mech pilot
already using him as a mech pilot, again, dual autocannons appear to rape everything
>taxi driver
I've been using bog as a taxi driver, though I can see why gabriel would be better.

>>2392618
bog makes the taxi quite squishy, is okay if you don't mind it but can be trouble
he is a good cheap carrier for the indirect rockets and/or vehicle radar
(the radar doesn't mark for indirect rockets, its just great scouting tool, fuck enemy camo)

>>2392638
>bog makes the taxi quite squishy
yeah I noticed that aswell, but the ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) makes up for it well since it lets you tank explosives
>he is a good cheap carrier for the indirect rockets
will try that out
So far i've been using Ivory (the jingwei pilot) as a mortar spammer, with jane serving as the marker

So with the new supplies did anyone do cmg darky yet? Run around with the movement drug, refill it with scavenger and destroy things from 12 squares away. It's the most efficient way to use her now that she's more constrained by squaddie cost than by promotions.

>>2392373
>>2392302
Eh I think all perks are good, Mobile infantry is one of my favorites though. i think Commando can be over rated but even then its good on rewa, i think its just diminished returns on darby, since she has no problem hitting, and doesn't really need defense if she's constantly concealed.
>>2392606
My preference is.
expert pilot, zigzag, fervor, divine intervention.

luxury perks: bags and belts, unbreakable, scout, minimize silhouette.

Makes him extremely tough and extremely fast,
then you pair him with lim (run and gun, berserk, pointfire (or grenadier), mobile infantry, blaze of glory).
you get good fire power where you need it reliably
Don't give him a medium weapon, and then just give him era and advanced sensors, or other defensive equipment like smoke launchers or camo netting. or even extra ammo for his light weapon.

I actually like Achilleas also as a transport, but less of an APC and more of an IFV, since his traits. And since he's going to be fighting more I pair him with the squad that doesn't have mobile infantry or is worse as mobile infantry squad, since they'll be fighting dismounted mostly.

I think bog is the worst transport, but best in a utility cheap role, while Rewa and Ivory, are both way better at combat than being transports, since they're not as tanky and are better with heavier weapons

>>2392638
Bog is a terrible taxi because 1. he's squishy and 2. he has so little ap that he's slow as hell.

>>2392685
hes okay if you dont have points for dedicated taxi
like 90% of use cases for Bog

>>2392708
forgot to mention, the laser rifle shreds infantry, it's absurd

>>2392724
lasers are great against anything with decent rmor and not much hp
they delete human infantry, even heavies, and can work on some lighter vehicles but do nothing against menace

>>2392726
menace has lots of HP? that's neat, haven't really noticed but explains how they are so tanky I guess

>>2392708
GOOD MORNING SAAR WOULD YOU LIKE TO NOT REDEEM GOOGLE PLAY CARD

Bog sucks for taxi due to how fragile he is, but a lot of people use him as a taxi in the early game due to how cheap he is
>>2392752
MAJOR SAAR DO NOT FIRE, DANGER CLOSE SAAR

if the new update doesnt have a new squad leader at least im gonna freak

>>2392708
Sachin single handily redeeming Indians in my eyes. Although funny they chose a Indian for a "Swarm" type squad leader.
>>2392724
They're quite poor for volume of fire I find due to them needing their heat vented so often, but against mid elite troops like mechs and heavy infantry, they excel. I'd give Sachin something else honestly, I give Jean lasers for better looting opportunity and Vamplew because he use the extra ap from his perk to vent heat and still fire.

>>2392792
freak right now

>>2392803
Not to mention that every single Waybacker is some shade of brown.
Yaz, being a Russoid merc is from the core worlds and he calls Vamplew a Waynig.
Was Wayback used as a dumping ground for undesirables before the NOT-AGE-OF-STRIFE?

>>2392816
dont test me ill freak right the heck now

>>2392820
The ginger is also a recruit from the wayback, though he terrorized core worlds first

>>2390515
I like the tank turret because it reminds me of Starship and the never realized Starship with a long gun.

>>2391922
If you take him to the first Menace mission, Tech starts freaking out. It's really funny

>>2392837
Therefore he isn't a native Waynig.

Workshop items should require a base item in addition to the components.

>>2393106
It is kind of silly to make railgun rifles without having the rifle itself.
But that would make the HE-launcher almost impossible to craft.

Tech is best with the CMG, Darby is best with the CMG, Wetteroth is best with the CMG, Carda is best with the CMG, Vamplew is best with the CMG... Literally no reason to use any other weapon.

there's only 5 pilots
that sucks

>>2392820
Frankie is a Waybacker and she looks pretty hwite. But yeah, seems like there are a lot of Asians and Africans in the Wayback.

>>2392820
>the Wayback is full of undesirables
>the Imp is filled with marines who are either unfit for duty, have insubordination issues, or are idiots who volunteered for a trip with no possiblity of returning
My game theory is the MENACE is a weapon created by the TCR and the Wayback is just a testing ground full of expendables. When the fleet arrives they're not going to save shit, they're going to be like "why the fuck you nigs ain't dead yet?" and start blasting.

Thoughts on Tripod Laser Lance for infantry? It's in my black market right now as a rare item. Should I buy it for 600~?

Any tips for a new player? Rogue guys just showed up and are rocking my shit.
My team
Lim
>Perks: Scout, Mobile Infantry, Point Fire, Berserk
>Equipment: K-PAC, GMW Auto-Launcher, SIPV Armor, Magazine Pouches
Pike
>Perks: Scout, New Tricks
>Equipment: K-PAC, Fatigues, Magazine Pouches
Rewa
>Perks: Expert Pilot, Unbreakable
>Equipment: Light Troop Carrier w/ Auto-Laser usually, sometimes Autocannon
Carda
>Perks: Scout, Share the Load, Tankbuster
>Equipment: K-PAC, RGL Anti-Tank Gun, Class II Soft Armor, Magazine Pouches, Target Designator
Sy
>Perks: Trinketing, Scavenger, Steady Gun, Critical Hits
>Equipment: K-PAC, Anti-Material Crocodile, SIPV Armor, Magazine Pouches, Camouflage Kit
Thoughts? Any suggestions?

>>2393569
It's bad. It's alright on vehicles but with a tripod it's really bad. Not only it requires setting up, it costs 60 AP to fire and it needs to cool down after two shots. And it has shit damage too. It can be used if you randomly get it early but don't buy it.
>>2393588
Don't use SIPV, it's s trash. It barely protects more than the soft armour while costing twice as much. Give the crocodile to Pike instead of Sy, her accuracy is shit. Sy should use the grenade launcher instead because it has an accuracy bonus. Take suicide drones if you can get them, those are really good against their walkers. Carda should use something like the heavy machine gun instead, it's can kill the same targets the RGL can while also being good against infantry. Try to get binoculars too and put it on Pike so you can see their snipers.

>>2393588
Give the auto-launcher to Carda and have her massacre infantry with doubled ammo from Share the Load. It can fire over trees, buildings and smoke so you can safely set her up and have others scout targets for her.
Put camouflage kit on Pike , not getting spotted will let him get away with running in pajamas, too. Have him carry the anti-tank gun (which I assume is the recoilless rifle)
Try to feed kills to Sy to get the good shit, especially the rocket launcher heavy troops carry.

>>2393588
All based on my personal preferences of course, so YMMV:

>Lim
I'd take Run & Gun over Scout on a Mobile Infantry squad. Also, because you're going to spend a lot of time inside a vehicle, you don't really need armor. Might as well just get a load-bearing rig so you can take extra grenades or drugs or whatever. I'm also not convinced that the GMW is a good choice for MI, give it to Pike or Carda.
>Pike
Not sure what your plan is here. The cookie cutter Pike build is to make him a support unit, but your choices don't really make sense for that. Even if you want to build him as a rifle squad (which is a valid option), I'd sooner take something like Athletic or Solid Grouping. And you'd probably want to put him in some light armor in that case. The value of New Tricks is questionable, though probably easier to justify on rifle squad Pike than on support Pike.
>Rewa
I have no opinion on Unbreakable. I build Rewa for pure offense so a defensive perk like that doesn't even cross my radar. I dislike the Auto-Laser though. It's got decent penetration and it's nice that you have essentially infinite ammo, but in terms of damage output I find that it always underperforms compared to the Autocannon.
>Carda
I typically take Athletic over Scout on her, so she can better keep up despite her low starting AP, but this looks like a perfectly decent build to me.
>Sy
I'm not a big fan of Sy in general, but I guess giving her a Crocodile to finish off big targets and hopefully trigger Trinketing is a decent use of her. Just mind her shitty base accuracy though. Maybe consider giving her some consumable accessory so you can get more mileage out of Scavenger. Also probably don't need the armor on her if she's going to be a sniper.

I'd say the main things you lack for dealing with RA is a decent scout/spotter (though in a pinch you can just give the Camo Kit to Carda for a decent scout), as well as some anti-armor

>>2393569
Tripods, with the notable exception of atgm, are generally pretty weak outside of defense missions. Of course, in the hands of giganigga they go from shit to amazing.

>>2393569
It's really good in a defense mission against pirates where you can put someone in a tower and just fry incoming junk trucks all day long. It's pretty meh outside of a situation like that though.

>>2393645
It's not even good for that. It can't fry more than one truck a turn, it has to vent on the third turn and it does nothing to heavy trucks. It's a genuinely bad weapon. Similarly to the mortar, it's only good in the hands of the AI, because any damage you take hurts, but it has no stopping power.

>>2393696
Fair point, but it's got good range and penetration, and enough damage to blow up shitty pirate trucks in a single shot, so it feels satisfying to use. Sure there are better options but in the early game I still like it. I definitely wouldn't pay premium for it on the Black Market, but if you get it as a random reward I find it does have its uses.

Try giving Pike pirate speed. Unlimited AP! Comboes especially well with kamikaze Jean. Charge her up, send her running into the enemy, blow them up with an explosive or two, refill and repeat.

>>2392820
>Was Wayback used as a dumping ground for undesirables before the NOT-AGE-OF-STRIFE?
One of the loading screen lore bits literally says this almost verbatim about sending barges full of prisoners on a one-way trip to the Wayback system.
So yes, it's full of browns and blacks because a good portion of its populace were convicts lmao
Space Australia, except it had the demographics of modern American prisons. No wonder it's a corrupt shithole with currency worth less than toilet paper.

>>2393535
>Frankie is a Waybacker and she looks pretty hwite
>Italian
>White
Lol lmao

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>>2387994
He isn't a niggerjeet which makes him a rare and valuable hire
Speaking of, are there any modding tools that let me delete those monkeys from the game?
I've literally got 5 gorillaniggers in a row from black market dossiers and half my squads are fucking exhausted

>>2394109
She isn't a Sicilian.

>>2394113
She's in the Mafia, chances are high that she is.

>>2392820
>he calls Vamplew a Waynig
wait, does he really?
some of these ziggers are alright

>>2394106
I get the feeling that Darby is some kind of of a spook, meant to gather intel and and pass it up the chain once the main fleet arrives. Her dossier is pretty sus.
I can get why 3 star Greekoid was sent due to his CRIPPLING disability, but Darby? Nah, she's def some ONI type plant.

>>2394119
>darby is a literal glownigger

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>>2394121

>spend 30 minutes maneuvering around a pirate mission, picking off pirate squads, etc.
>drive my infantry-carrying vehicle through the woods
>AT grenade out of nowhere disables my vehicle
>next thing I know a laser truck destroys my vehicle and wipes half the squad inside
>quit
wtf ha[ppened

>>2394126
You got ambushed
Unless it's early game where your vehicle can tank everything, have an infantry scout go first since vehicles can barely see units 3 tiles away.

>>2394126
The AI cheats and always knows where your troops are located, it also knows their line of sight and maximum fire distance.
It will literally run to the edge of the map and stay a single tile away from what you can fire at.
Also your vehicles have a lower viewrange than the infantry. It's why you always send Scouts with binos first.

>>2393634
>>2393626
>>2393621
Appreciate the advice. I've for some reason found a lot of success with Lim having the auto-launcher, as he goes around the map with mobile infantry. I didn't realize Pike was support and feel like I've kind of ruined him with the perks I selected for him, but eh. I might hire another infantry squad leader and see what I get. Anything I should be aware of in terms of good equipment or bad equipment?

>>2394132
Smokes are great, grenades are awful, you want binos and camo kits, drones are good even as a distractions, buy at least a single NVG for your scouts, range is king, set up weapons are only for defense, except for ATGM since it has 15 tile range, have some suppression tool like an LMG, MMG or rifles with fire rate of 3 or higher and ALWAYS carry AT. Even when you think you don't need to.

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>>2394136
Oh, and yeah, Tech, being a chad that he is can use markers for 30AP WITHOUT deploying, meanwhile someone like say, Darby without Athletic would need to spend 20AP to deploy and another 40AP to mark the target.

>>2394137
yeah but why would you ever bother marking shit? atgm is severely overrated

>>2394139
Get a load of this guy!

>>2394139
It's the only weapon that can fire on targets that are in the smoke, it doesn't need line of sight and it has the best AT stats.

>>2394139
its very satisfying to use though
>>2394137
he can? Im benching darby then

>>2394129
>it also knows their line of sight and maximum fire distance.
can't you do the same to the AI though? You can press R to check the enemy's detection radius and by hovering over them you can see
My biggest gripe however is that AI always seems to move out of the tiles I designated for a minigun strafe

>>2394242
>can't you do the same to the AI though?
Only when enemy units are in view to begin with. AI can read your units while in total fog of war. Which is bullshit.

>>2394242
yes
>Fog_of_War_OFF

This game is leagues ahead of XCOM 1 and 2. Prove me wrong.

>>2394251
I can't, because the claim is true.

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Tankier than an IFV

>>2394251
An odd comparison since they're entirely different games aside from both being turn-based tactics, but I can't disagree.

>>2394251
they are all garbage

>>2394251
>XCOM 1 and 2
Newfag. They’re called “UFO Defense” and “Terror from the Deep”

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>>2394321
wtf are you talking about

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>>2394321
ur a faget

>>2394340
>>2394321
fake Xcom 2 is fake. TFTD was Xcom 2.

>>2394251
It's nice when you can clear every enemy with a careful sequence of actions, very beautiful finishes. But the problem then is NuXCOM is a continuous series of the above rather than dynamic situations where you have a significant tug of war and thus something a player has to actually make decisions and tradeoffs for.

I think you're asking the wrong question. The right question is whether Menace has done a better job as a strategy game compared to all those post-Nu-XCOM clones which tried to bridge the gap between the new and old style of gameplay. Many of those fell flat on their faces like Phoenix Point. If this was the question then I think the answer is partially yes, but they still have a lot of work to be "leagues ahead".

Why ayyyqueenz kill my vehicles non-stop?
Whats up with that?

>>2394321
>>2394340
>>2394377
>>2394379
The real XCOM is called Phoenix Point.

>>2394626
stop getting your vehicles too close to it. you can scout it out, and use your superior range to do damage before it gets close.

But also zig zag is my favorite vehicle perk, even if you just move 3 spaces its +15% def which is as good as commando, but on a high ap pilot who just spends the turn driving you can easily get +45% defense.

>>2394626
An smg with armour piercing rounds will one tap alien warriors and queens. Your mobile infantry should always have that loadout for bugs, as those units will always rush your vehicle.

>>2394682
>Armour piercing
I mean the ammo that does extra armour damage btw, not penetration.

I've been fucking around with using only infantry, tech is incredible with the m6 cmg
carda is kinda shit but at least she can haul ammo, after my last game got fucked by walkers I got her a pal in preparation for walker spam, which might be excessive
really don't like the autocannon
I know people like pike as command but he's such a good shot I mainly just use him as a rifleman, which I know is also another intended build for him
Lim just seems generic but not bad, I liked Yaz when I had him, just Russian Lim

>>2394701
Try to have scavengers. I play infantry focused too and getting more uses out of some accessories made a huge difference.

>>2394701
Might as well build Lim as discount Yaz with counterattack.

>>2394701
A lot of Carda's issues stem from the fact that
>she's abominably slow and low on AP
>all the special weapons that benefit the most from her extra ammo require full deploying
>by the time she's ready to fire, everything is either dead or ran away
You can solve it by giving her the jetpack armor and athletic. She'll always be a turn slower than Tech but at 90 AP she can jump,
Deploy and setup any weapon to be ready next turn. Or get up and immediately be ready to jump.
You can even let her carry the +10AP drug so she has far more flexibility + ability to fire thrice a turn with Full Send.

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>>2394882
She's cute tho

>>2394683
>the ammo that does extra armour damage btw, not penetration
That's Hollow Point, not Armor Piercing.

>>2395007
It's REND ammo, retard.

>>2395011
Rend is hot garbage even after the patch.

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they updated the dev diary for the next patch to put this pic in
hopefully theres another one tomorrow that says what else the update is gonna bring

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>>2387938
Was abandoning bullet simulation with dice rolls the correct design choice?

>>2393569
niche use, but it one shots bombardiers.

Newfag here, which starting lineup do you recommend?
Watch party elite play a while back, not sure if too much changed but I know the general gist of the game

>>2395324
My classic is Darby, Lim, Rewa, Carda.

>>2395324
pike + 2 infantry that total 3 or 4 stars + rewa is what i would recommend i think

>>2395324
I always go Pike/Lim/Rewa/Darby since I think those are more or less the best options you can get for each role. Pike as scout/ap buffer/call-out-target, Lim as mobile infantry, Rewa as the best pilot atm unless you're confident banking on Achilles' shield guard, and Darby is meta since concealment is meta.

>>2395324
if you're going infantry then Darby and Tech are both good. since darby is good at scouting and tech is good at using heavy weapons while mobile
if you prefer vehicles then Achilleas and lim are good. Achilleas is versatile and can do a lot but is expensive, Lim is the best mobile infantry unit for getting in and out of transports.
Carda is better being picked sooner than hired later, but starts off fairly weak but grows quickly
Pike is the opposite good stats, and has a skill that works immediately that can synergize well with other sls, but has low growth potential.
Bog is a cheap pilot, while Rewa is a better offensive pilot.

>>2395324
I go
Achilleas, Lim, Tech, Carda.

>>2395324
always take carda, she grows into a pretty good unit if you train her since the start, and is permauseless if you get her later in the game
meanwhile say Pike you can get later on and he will still perform great as AP dispenser for your best units

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>the Era of Estrangement is over
>the TCR fleet comes through the gate
>for political reasons, the TCR Impetus remains to the side, sitting in its cuckold lagrange point
>the defense fleet of the Planetary Jingwei is there to meet the fleet
>predictably, the TCR fleet gets merc'd, planetary defense ships firing their thrusters at full burn and kamikaze-ing into TCR ships
>nanite goop and boarding cyborgs flood into the TCR ships, turning the relief force into a weapon against its makers
>on the bridge of the Impetus, Lt. Hayflick reports a call
>tfw it's from Field MENACE Zama

as far as early game weapons go, I see a lot of people saying the kpac is superior to the g3 and the arc but I don't see it
the arc seems to kill better and the g3 outranges all pirates except outcasts and outcasts can't do shit at max range even out of cover

>>2395599
KBAR is a long range monster early on, but a combination of enemies in cover, long range and low early accuracy of SL's means their killing power is not actually as great as you think. And when SL's get more powerful you should get the KBAR variants or HAMMER instead.
ARC is way better at killing and suppression but also way shorter range.
KPAC is a good middleground, suppresses people to hell and back, but at a more comfortable range and with acceptable damage.
Give it hollowpoints.

>>2395599
if you have a squad that gets close consistently give it arc
otherwise kpac
crowbar early game is bad because it only shoots twice per ammo point and it has less ammo points than arc and kpac.
granted the ammo count is only important for expert where you get drowned in enemies and WILL run out of ammo

>>2395665
>if you have a squad that gets close consistently give it arc
Honestly if you're getting that close, give them shotguns and AP rounds. Way way more powerful.

>>2395603
>>2395665
The problem is getting hollowpoints is rng, especially early game, and I've personally found its not very good at suppression due to aforementioned early sl accuracy issues
the g3 usually kills at least one guy, which suppresses, and the arcs killing ability also leads to suppression
albeit, I am using 8 man squads so maybe in 6 man squads the kpac edges out the other options?
I like the shotguns but the 2 tiles of range really do make a difference when engaging pirates
I also give my g3s the starting mag pouches on expert and its usually enough to suppress the enemy and get guys to wavering for the arcs to close in and solidify the mass route and execution

I'm not saying I'm totally right, I'm just saying in my experience, the kpac's range has not been helpful, and it doesn't seem to suppress as often as its talked about
maybe I'm totally wrong but this has been my experience

>>2395676
Hollowpoints make KPAC more deadly, but they're deadly enough without them early game.
If you have no hollowpoints by the time you're fighting MENACE...Whoops?

The Crowbar vs Arc vs Kpac argument is literally, exactly, copiedly the same as BRs vs AK (7.62s) vs AR (5.56s).
Ultra skilled marksmen who can make use of them from a safe distance -> advanced Crowbar or other battle rifle variants
If you know you can't get through the armor of an opponent but can wear it down up close -> ARCs
For every other non-niche situation and general purpose use -> K-PAC

I hope this one gets, down the line, a Conquest Mode like the Terminator DF game.
Some kind of mega Op made of several missions or even a planetary map.

Darby owes me sex.

>>2395668
shotguns make it much harder to use cover effectively and they have a lot less range than the arc while their extra damage is completely irrelevant vs a large amount of enemies

>>2395012
You're using it wrong. Rend becomes increasingly better as the ROF increases.
Rend smgs one shot every infantry, every alien, and light vehicles. They two shot medium vehicles and cause defects on heavy vehicles.

>>2395324
Darby. Concealment is too strong. It looks like they're changing late game factions to have more detection methods albeit.
Achilles. He's the strongest pilot. With the promotion change, there's no reason to take a cheaper pilot early.
Tech. He's the tankiest infantry in the game. He doesn't provide immediate benefits in your first op. Once you loot a jetpack or tripod weapon, he's great.

The question for me is Carda or Lim. Considering that I'd rather promote the other 3 first, I usually take Carda due to the innate growth stat.

>>2395755
>their extra damage is completely irrelevant vs a large amount of enemies
No? Lmao
They can hit more than one unit in a squad per shot (their 2 shots per salvo is technically 3-4) and they do bonus damage based on HP values of the target.

>>2395324
Darby, Lim, Tech, and Carda. Until you find better options, give your starting rocket launcher to Tech and the MG to Carda. Make your first dossier purchase a pilot if you find any medium/heavy vehicle weapons early and hope you don't pull Bog when you do.

>>2395599
Range is king, period. People say concealment is OP, but concealment is just an abstraction of range. If you outrange your target, they cannot fight back. And with how tight the action point economy is, the less you have to move into range, the more shooting you can do.

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>>2395049
I am unreasonably annoyed by this

Bros... OCIs... right now I have the following:
>Advanced medical bay
>Woo
>Repair bay
>Fixer (30%+ sales on black market)
I have a DCRAC that will give me 20%+ promotion points, but what do I replace it with? Right now I'm thinking repair bay.

>>2395917
Get +3 intel on both
You don't need medbay if you have WOO, once you have above 70 troopers, consider replacing WOO with Salvage operations.
Keep Fixer. Fixer is GOOD.
Repair bay is useless most of the time. Just get more vehicles by looting the Rogue Armies with Salvage Operations. More vehicles means you can just swap pilots into undamaged ones.

AI Logistics and 2 Auto Supplies is what I'm currently running. It's ridiculous.

the real MENACE are these OCIs hehe

Should I get a 5th infantry squad or a 3rd pilot instead? Yoz vs Bogan

>>2396017
Infantry tend to get weary and injured more, plus it's expensive to field pilots. So go with the 5th Infantry.

>>2390913
I really hate this meme that the backwater is such a shithole that they know how to make sloped armor anymore and I especially hate retarded apologists for them

>>2395599
kpac is a bit better than arc at medium range vs medium armor enemies and better vs heavy armor enemies at close range but much worse at long range vs high armor ones

>>2395599
>I see a lot of people saying the kpac is superior
Lot of peoples are retards. Especially in this game.

>>2395470
I wish we'd see another star system instead of us having to fuck around this one forever, pretending that the enemies here have infinite resources

Got some mod bullshit going on
Have Custom Leader so I can use Remove from Dossier
Add all "removed" engineers and astronauts folders in to the customleaders folder as instructed and have Melon Loader installed
Add Fight You Cowards which requires Menace Modkit
Have Fight You Cowards enabled in Menace Modkit as well as Custom Leader
Get scientists in my recruitment dossiers
Only have Fight You Cowards enabled in Menace Modkit and Custom Leader in the usual mod folder
Still get astrophysicists in my recruitment dossier
What the fuck is this garbage? MM requires Melon to work so I don't see why it's conflicting when it worked before.
If I have to pick between having surgeons in my dossiers or chasing down enemies at the edge of the map for 15 turns I'd rather not play at all.

>>2396120
Saar, you have to let the Wayback people in, saar! They're good people!

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Tournament is my favorite PvP format so far

>>2387938
Favorite squad leaders?
I'm a big fan of ChristTanker.

>>2396298
wrong thread, friend

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Newfag here, done first operation got this from first mate, is it any good early?
Next op is alien bugs it seems is flamethrower any good here or nah

>>2396415
That is very good early armor. Remember since you're encumbered you're gonna want to use the jetpack.

>>2396415
flame thrower can be good, its use kind of overlaps with most squad weapons in both range and fire power, but this means it works best in smaller squads that might have longer ranged focused squad weapons, as a short ranged option, or Its also nice since in that it gives you a good attack even if you lose some squad members.

>>2396469
>>2396415
Early game the flamethrower melts the bugs...its really fucking good.

>>2396415
>>2396469
>>2396489
Flamethrower melts smaller bugs and 'can' scare away the bigger ones.
But generally the bigger ones are going to laugh at being set on fire and nom nom you anyways.

Not having a proper medbay for your loyal marines no matter your OCI layout is real Menace behavior.

How is performance right now? Is it worth getting during the summer sale soon?

>>2396521
You can run this game on a fucking potato.

>>2396523
>>2396521
I run it on an over 10 years old laptop.

Is there ever a reason not to take athletic as the first promotion on every infantry SL?

How long till autosts make a 40k and star wars overhaul for this?

>>2396751
Clearly Menace is already set in 40k universe, just around the age of strife

>>2396736
If there is something better for the SL. 1 stars feel almost unusable without athletic, 2 stars definitely feel a lot better with it and Darby/Griefinger are already fast as fuck

>>2396736
There no single reasons to take athletic as first promo.

>>2396736
when you take the growth perk

Newfag from earlier, how early should I hire new squad leaders?

>>2397006
As soon as you can. The only time when hiring new squad leaders is mid to late of the current early access build. Also, hire them before finishing operations so you don't waste authority.