New update editionhttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/open-beta-update-1-is-now-live-not-for-problem-reports.1940877/Any good mods this season? I'm fond of Kuromi's AI at least as a replacement for Anbeeld's revisions
If you're so good at the game you pansies, surely you know how to steer Greece in 1836, right? HELP ME
>>2484533no I'm bad, fuck off
>>2484533This was done on prior patch, but I doubt it's changed massively.Focus on improving relations with Russia. Secondarily the UK, you can get their island state off them for free via the journal if relations are high. Also stops them joining in against you, as they sometimes ally ottomans.Doesn't really matter if you support the German king or undermine him, larp as you wish either way. Hover over the event bar to see what's effecting it, there are some easy ways to change it like removing your German culture generals from armies. Only catch is you want to be Byzantine purple map colour, you need to be a monarchy, so make sure you don't fail it and swap to a republic.Get 20 odd infantry (conscripts are good) to hold the line against ottomans, your first war you won't be able to beat them 1v1, need to get Russia in. Check their likelihood of joining war, savescum if you need, often times they are happy to join for releasing Bulgaria or the like.You can also use the support sepretism button against ottomans, some of your cores may pop out.There are very few industrial goods (I think coal) in mainland Greece, one of the states in Asia minor has a huge deposit, you'll need to take it if.you want to industrialise, definitely by the 2nd war against Ottos.Once the ball is rolling you can expand as far east as you like very easily, Turkish culture has 0 base acceptance for a Greek state though, so you may want to utilise puppets if you don't want revolts, alternatively try for multiculturalism though that doesn't necessarily fix everything. Alternatively just go west, may be harder depending on how strong Austria is, bobbing into Italy may also be fun
How have people found the new beta? I'm starting a new game to get up to speed again after dropping off for a while, is it grand to play the beta or is it a bit buggy and I should go back to the latest full patch?
>>2484905Current beta is fine, not seen any problems in it. Think it's much better than the full patch in its current state.The wars are a lot easier now. You don't need to occupy their entire country and to full genocide to win.
>at war to take state>get event that gives me claim on that state>war goal disappearsHow do you deal with this or get around it?
>>2484533Northern Macedonia, what the turks call Sküpia and the greeks call Vardaria, is a wonderful province. Plenty of wood, plenty of Iron, load of Bulgarians you only need a racial separation law change to accept (still best to go for cultural exclusion).When you get Atmospheric Engine that state will allow you to build up your construction sector really fast. Lots of people go for Ionia because they got PTSD from when the trade system was really bad and Coal was almost impossible to get if you didn't own a state producing it.Also putting enlistment effort will give you 10+ extra conscripts in athens. Use forced march on the army you put the conscripts in to get your army up before the ottomans blow you another hole.Start improving relations with England and the Ioian Islands on day one. Keep a watch on Russia if they lose opinion on you because you're improving relations with a rival. It's best to get those isles early.
>>2484533>>2485127Forgot, you will need railways very soon or northern Macedonia will start losing market access very soon. Though as greece you're supposed to beeline for that right after nationalism anyway.
>>2485181The game... used to make private investment go down when your GDP went too high?It's not good for pre-industrial economies with no capitalists or (rich) shopkeepers.It doesn't allow you to do monopolies but it does grant an extra company compared to similar laws.If you don't want the industrialists to get super rich and take control of your politics even more than they do normally...If you want to nationalise buildings such as foreign owned ones...>>2485387Are your gov dividends more efficient than your dividend tax even when not considering the cost of paper mana? Is having a bunch of rich consoomers bad for your economy? If you were simply going to use that money to pay for more buildings, is it overall more or less money going to reinvestment than through the private owners?I do not expect you to know the answer as it changes depending on circumstance and it's not like there's a diagnostic tool to tell you.
I just want to say I think they did a really good job of choosing icons for their laws.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-188-the-abc-of-communism.1941011/Thoughts?
>>2484533>friendsies with russia>kill ottomansthere is no secret, just make sure to conquer their lands in the balkans so you don't suffer too much from cultural minorities movements
>>2485914i hate planned economy
>>2484533if you want help just post your game as you play
>>2485966Cute ottoman empire.
>>2485914It's cool. I hope we one day get this level of love for the fascists!
>>2486027They shouldn't have had the game go past 1920 in the first placeThose last decades always felt forced in vic 2 as a way to tie into HoI - If facism ever gets expanded upon it should be on the last game update, even if it makes the chuds seethe
>>2485914Neo-marxists are some of the most pathetic cult followers I have ever seen.
Playing as New Granada. I just formed Gran Colombia and took North Peru as my subject. If I'm trying to go for Federation of Andes, should I make a power bloc(Im rank 12)? Is becoming monarchy to get Sovereign Empire worth it?
>>2486027>I hope we one day get this level of love for the fascists!good one, very funy.>>2486109>fascism only suddenly appeared in 1922 with no past.>everything i don't like is fascism.icant
>>2486187yes make one but make a trade bloc and invite the central american shitterstheres basically no downside to power blocs even if you just get no cohesion, the relations are improved back up quickly enough
>>2486267Nice try gpt, but that last "quote" you pulled from the aether gave it away
>>2486269>central americaEven if I intend to annex them? I'm running a mod that adds Patria Grande as a formable nation.
>>2486283well of course not then. personally i'd just protectorate them and keep them around until you go for the formationunless your mod makes patria grande into a major formation with unification candidates where the shitters could support you for free annexation
>>2486267>>fascism only suddenly appeared in 1922 with no past.The history of fascism is really interesting. It arose out of unusually nationalist socialists who were pro-war. But it was a tiny, fringe movement until it teamed up wtih old reactionary forces like landlords and oligarchs.Fiume's model was very different than Fascist Italy, despite aesthetic similarities.
>>2486294>it was a tiny, fringe movement until it teamed up wtih old reactionary forces like landlords and oligarchsicant, can you just skip to the fascism is late stage capitalism part? i'm tired of watching breadtube
>>2486294They could split the ideology into "Revolutionary Fascism" and "Aristocratic Fascism" I guess? ATM there's really nothing that represents weirdos like d'Annunzio. And if socialism has>state socialism (formerly social democracy)>anarchism>vanguardism>communism>utopianism>nihilismfascism could have variants too, right?>>2486297But that is literally what happened historically. Fascism emerged from eclectic socialists but only had a couple thousand followers until Mussolini started appealing to the old power structures, at which point his popularity skyrocketed.
At threat of adding yet more bloat to the laws, I think colonial policy should have a new one.No colonial affairs should prevent or slow incorporating non-homeland states.A new one should speed up incorporating states.And then exploitation should arguably prevent or slow incorporation.The main reason is reading yesterday's dev diary, it feels very, well, commie minded, to say you are either a dirty pigdog colonial imperialist or not, and I'm not even considering "What if communism arrived before the scramble for africa ended", just what the only communist country everyone knows had a policy of... one nation communism.I'm still annoyed that will still be Marx a trade unionist you can slam into leading your workers via event and not an intelligentsia activist, or even just an intelligentsia politician, y'know that role the game used to have that meant "Exists but is a literal who because not everyone wanted to overthrow the government or start mass rallies".
Is there a mod that improves building UI or is everyone just raw dogging it?
>>2486319what the hell is Internal Colonization
>>2486319no they should add more laws and more amendmends and more ways for ideologies of different IGs to change and also more different ideologies across nations
>>2486319why would any workers group support multiculturalism and no migration controls, which will inevitably cause brain drain in the third world and make wages and thus living standards much lower in the nation in question?
>>2486341Heh
>>2486331Promotes migration into unincorporated/underpopulated states, but without actual colonization into decentralized countries?
>>2486341kek, really never do hit them huh
>>2486341
>>2486341>multiculturalismInternationalists were in favor of it historically (usually, there were a few exceptions)>no migration controlsHonestly can't think of the communist theorists ever talking about it either way. I do know Bernie Sanders argued open borders is bad for workers.
>>2486027Full fascist content would be epic. But given most people don't even play to 1910, I dunno if it's happening.
>>2484533>Make contracts with GB and Russia to get bunches of resources >Improve relations with GB and Ionian Islands for journal entry>Royal marriage with Russia for free good relations >Day 1 remove landlords from government, expel their German leader, put them back in>Pass Autocracy >Save infamy by not conquering the Ottomans too quickly. Only take states you have a claim on until they become unrecognized in 1966>Use your infamy on getting North African subjects instead, you can use France to get a foothold>Focus on society technology, get National Sports quickly because the Olympics make you a Great Power>Make the generic mining company first then Kouppas
>>2486319>that will still be Marxthat Marx will still be*Fuck my brain.>>2486331Who knows! Sounds chuddy.>>2486341lol, lmaoI'd be curious what border policy was back in the 19th and early 20th century, since I don't know if the modern concept of a passport was adopted within the timeframe of the game for real countries aka western countries, so I can't imagine how that might colour commie beliefs of what even an open border constitutes. But then this game does have ahistorical mass migration via free-to-use teleporters and I'm certain paradox studios wouldn't become frothing nazis if such technology were invented.
>>2486374vic3 migration is basically applied modern migration to the time which is extremely historically inaccurate as you probably know. People migrating like they do today has more or less never really happened and migrations were usually a collective thing during extremely horrendous times or out of desperation. People didn't really move to the u.s at the time simply because "oh look, the steel plant down in kentucky would pay me ten bucks more than here in westfalen", it was mostly done in waves of lower-middle to underclass people looking for a desperate attempt to evade complete poverty and hunger.Thus "border policies" of the time would be completely different than modern. Yes there of course in some countries, mostly western, where border control would be done, but the states at the time simply didn't really have the ability to nor administrations for modern border control.
(carlist) spain is surprisingly nice even being stuck on traditionalism for half the game
>>2486788You can get your empire back even with normal spainFurthermore, normal spain has all the jounal entries carlist spain has. So with carlists you are basically playing spain, but worse
>>2486793yeah but as carlist spain all my kings are called carlos
>>2486796Yeah I suppose that’s kinda neat
>>2486799actually thought the carlists had something going for them but by the time i realized they suck i already subjugated gran colombia and then i didnt feel like restartingeven traditionalism cant stop the inevitable rise of super companies and industrialist clouton another note getting off child labour for the technocrat JE is still almost impossible
What's the highest birthrate you ever birthmaxed?
Why can't I move Dutch East Indies army anywhere? I don't understand what I need to build to be able to ship them around.
>>2486027I hope we get homofascism
>>2487032Guido Keller was an actual unironic homofascist
>>2487009you need boats
To the guy talking about his dutch east indies becoming independent all of a sudden. Had the same thing happen to me as byzantium. Though they stayed in my block that had a shared market so I didn´t care too much about it.
Always feel a wicked sense of pleasure when a country burns through 50+ infamy to attack some other country and I jump in and beat the shit out of them.
Tip: if a revolution manages to beat your puppet and you, you can still subjugate them again if you pause immediately and if your bloc is a Sovereign Empire
>>2486788>no florida, california or new mexico
>>2487252do you even need to pause, i had a revolution in my puppet win without me noticiing because i wasnt called in for some reason but they stayed in my empire bloc so i subjugated them a few years later again (i needed to save up cohesion to subjugate someone bigger)
I love making my people eat straw for 20-40 years so I can pump up a giga economy and subjugate other countries solely to fill their markets with cheap shot.
I made all the greeks move to Athens and fucked up the larp.
>>2487377>not putting promote national values on every state
>>2487377better than bantus in bosnia desu
Releasing countries in a war should probably incur some infamy, or at least for nonsense states like Wales and Aquitaine. You are fucking over a sovereign state just because you can. At least deleting half of France should cost more war score.
>>2484533Throw Russia under the buss the second they stop fighting all your wars for you. Ukraine is a very good country to make russia release for joining your block and stealing their pops.
>>2487417you dont like getting all of occitania for free?they should also add a way to liberate nations that already exist, like liberating greek land ffom the ottomans
>>2484751>>2484533you can go subjecthood+strong clergy and convert the turks, it will make them more tolerated and strong clergy will give you pop growth
>>2487417there's should be some kind of justification for it irl british media worked nonstop creating fake nations and peoples which then could be used by the british state against it's enemies with diplomacy or warvic3 even has the best example of this from the period with circassian genocide event spam forcefeeding you stuff directly from the british newspapers
>>2487438no you go cultural exclusion and force assimilate, sit on high legitimacy and tank the radicals for a whilereligious bloc is good tho
>>2486297Negro
Has anyone here ever bothered with Cultural Commonwealth? Seems pretty worthless.
>>2487449I'm excited for the new DLC because the Reform or Revolution minigame will finally create an actual use case for PB principles other than Trade Union or Sovereign EmpireI want to create the Third Internationale and enforce ideological orthodoxy
>>2487451You're still not picking cultural commonwealth in that scenario.It doesn't even have a statue like the other blocks.
>>2487333I always pause because they normally leave the bloc after a few days
>>2487452yeah I was using your post as a springboard to lament the shittiness of power blocs in generalit annoys the fuck out of me that out of the 6 principles you get>2 "you're literally stupid if you don't use this" tier strong>2 that are kind of useful but mogged to death by the first two>2 that are pure RP and contribute basically nothing
>>2487449It's good if you want to game the shit out of major unifications, you can make superiberia/superitaly/supergermany by adding the primary culture onto a related target. I haven't tried using it in SA yet but you might be able to absorb central america+mexico into the federation using it as well
Anybody here ever stay as EIC after independence from UK?
>>2487536It's funny they made a block that's completely useless 99% of the time but also lets you annex all of Europe if you game it a little.
Would Cultural Commonwealth be good for countries that are low on primary culture pops(Liberia, the East Indias) to force other cultures to generate pops for them to later annex?
>>2487687It'd be pretty useless for liberia on account of african americans speaking english (and thus being a "germanic" culture) but it could be useful for a subject-heavy country like EIC because same culture vassals are more loyal
>>2487687I think you would be better off using the "Vassalization" edict, get a bunch of mini vassals (think crete, ionan isles and cyprus, malta) and put "national unity" edict wherever possible
>>2487449>some players use migration quotas to GDP maxx>paradox: "Let's make quotas a bloc type!"What is this supposed to represent historically?>read reddit>"youtubers annexed all of europe for zero infamy with it!"Gross Germanium HRE larping? Napoleon Bonaparte?
Has anyone made a guide for idiots infographic like for V2. Trade is kicking my ass.
>>2488120Build one trade center in every state. The AI is really bad at economy so global trade is near nonexistent.
How the hell does this work? How am i supposed to know which parties will work together? Just mindlessly clicking through all options?
>>2488149its not that many combinations to try to get the ig you want in government in a way that keeps legitimacyor you just pick one of the top 3 that are displayed
>>2488149Three things matter for legitimacy: govt type, ideological (in)compatibility, and trustworthiness of govt. japan's starting government demands the presence of the ruler's IG in government because 50 legitimacy is tied to it and the landowner clout is high enough to be a significant part of it too. Bakufu/monarchy also has a significant penalty for ideological differences in government so you're not gonna be able to have a functional government with anything that severely contradicts landowners on law preference
every post on the vic3 reddit is made by trannieshow many of you are secretly in skirts
>>2488155The top 3 are the "illusion of choice" meme:-You can't pass anything-You can't pass anything-You can't pass anything
>>2488149Memorization. It's a shit system because it's dependent on leader traits, so it's not even consistent over time. If you have elections then forget about ever having consistent legitimacy.
It's 1900 and i'm still stuck with Bakufu lol. Just fucking kill me senpai...
>>2488160*commiesAlthough the overlap with trannies is natural.
>>2488202Let me guess, you're playing without the DLC?
>>248820430 Eurobux (+tax +tip) is a tough sell.
>>2488120I would if I had any graphical knowledge but till then.Build as much construction as you can afford without going into dept early game.Focus on building resource builidings for construction early game, wood and cloth and tools for lumber camps.Switch to iron construction when you get atmospheric engine and steel tools.Avoid dept like the plague if you're an unciv, try to avoid it if you're not a great power.Unless you really want a law keep the government parties that give you most legitimicy in power.Keep an eye on goods the government uses. If paper is very expensive and you use it in your government you should increase your suply of paper, if wood is expensive increase your supply of that, etc.This is just my opinion but some farm buildings can be really good early game. Tobacco, opium, fruit, etc. They make you plenty of money and are cheap to build. Consumer goods may be left to your capitalists.
Capitulation in the beta is odd. Enforcing certain wargoals mid-war can cause the enemy country to instantly capitulate the war. e.g., enforcing release Manchuria on Qing will give you all other wargoals for free.
>>2488202You aren't building farm buildings early? That'll cause you some trouble.>>2488204I have done it in the mid 1800s without the dlc. It mostly comes down to doing the normal construction cycle.
>>2488217>You aren't building farm buildings early? That'll cause you some trouble.You're being ambiguous there anon. Should i or should i not build farm buildings early?
>>2488222As any east asiatic countries you should not build farms early. Subsistance rice farms hire twice as many pops per arable land than other agricultural buildings.
>>2488225And rice farms are terrible because peasants produce an overabundance of food. Agriculture sucks ass and should be ignored 90% of the time.
>>2488230There's tobacco, dye plantations and some other farm buildings that under the right circumstances will net you a tidy profit. But as japan they'll produce nothing but the unemployed and unrest till you get your peasants into factories.
>>2488232So anything but rice farms is ok? Japanese peasants want quite a lot of tobacco.
>>2488232Tobacco is the most profitable but is outperformed by wood. There is literally no reason to build agriculture.
>>2488238Only when you hit a surplus of avaible farmland in a state and think you can outbuild new births. >>2488240What about when you run out of avaible wood?
I hate that the mining and lumber industries are the best industries because those buildings have a hard limit, you use iron and coal for everything and when wood stops being important you've won the game.
>>2488245the best companies*
>>2488242By the time that happens you go full in on iron/coal/tools. Demand for tobacco is actually satifsied much more easily than you think. Trade is nerfed to shit on current patches you won't get more demand, unlike construction goods. Agricultural profits fall off hard in the late game.The only country that benefits from building agriculture is Cuba, and even that is only the case for the first 10 years.
Timings to go in on Korea as Japan? It's always so annoying micromanaging when China will be weak.
>>2488273Ally Russia and let them do the work for you (works as soon as you get recognized). Keep in mind Korea kind of sucks and is not worth the effort. Shengjing alone has more resources than Korea.
>>2488273invade russia instead then fight china on land
>>2488291Doesn't work in this patch. Russia actually defends Siberia. It's better to ally Russia.
>>2488288but muh larp
What the fuck is happening here?
>>2488338im pretty sure independence wars break subjecthood only if the subject wins and not before
>>2488348I've just seen Ottomans at war with Serbia, with Hungary supporting Serbia and Croatia supporting Ottomans while Austria sits there doing nothing, all within dual monarchy... Make it make sense.
>>2488354puppet tier vassals can declare wars without their senior being called in and the countries they declare war at can declare counter war goals on them.So you may see your vassal completely annexed because they picked a fight with a bigger badder country.
>>2488362protectorate tier vassals*
>>2487401I got greedy and used the edict mana for consumption taxes.>>2487410at least bantus don't have all of the balkans as a homeland
LMAO, even reddit realized this is a clicker game.
>>2487401I wish i could just deport them instead of assimilating them.
>>2488431kek, i've said it since i started playing.Vic3 is probably the worst, if not at least the most offensive, grand strategy historical game i can think of. To present itself as a historical representation of the 19th century and just so blatantly be nothing more than a the progressive equivalent of a fourteen year old's nazi power fantasy larp is astonishing.Although as a braindead cookie clicker to just consoom, it's actually one of my favourites. Fun and easy to mod too. I think they really should try to lean into the cookie clicker aspect more than the historical aspects if they want a wider audience.
>>2488431yet again i stand here vindicated
>>2488431>>2488487>>2488513embarassing samefag
>>2488532Every thread must have at least one schizo
>>2488532
>>2488431This seems like a trait of many modern strategy games. Eu5 has exactly the same feelings. Just like tik tok brainrot is the natural end result of film all games work towards having you click as many buttons as possible and the more you click the more clickable buttins you get.
Quick, post what mods you're using.
>>2488551Yeah, he seems to apparently feel some sense of duty or responsibility to god-defend this game from chuds on 4chins. He just repeats the same like four lines over and over again>muh samefag>muh haven't played the game>muh chudi've just ignored him hoping he goes away, i genuinely don't get why he's here rather than just staying on plebbit.
>use the war with russia to distract qing>attack>start baval invasion on beijing>win 2 battles, 50% occupation>remove general>invasion stalls>wait>wargoals auto enforce>win
>>2488737how exactly does one play japan in the dlc?like with the JE's and such, what should one choose for what outcome?
>>2488742i didnt really do much, went hardliner in the tempo reforms and barely managed then chilled growing the economy and went into these lawsthinking about dropping guild system, passing technocracy and going full zaibatsu
>>2488765>peasant propietorshipthat's one way to nuke the landlords I guess.
>>2488768desu i got it in like 1870, interventionism right after, when the landowners got a modernizer leader. they basically voted themselves out of existencealso agrarianism - serfdom isnt actually that bad here in asia, spamming agriculture creates unemployed radicals but that way the investment pool is forced to build industry, boosting capitalists in the process
>>2488777while i can't say if agrarianism isn't bad I can say it's not terrible like traditionalism.
>>2488787I think it works well with banana plantations and coffee as the landowner investment pool can be used to industrialize then you can go into something else
>>2488792And unlike interventionism your landlords won't hate it as much and your rurals will support it so it's relatively easy for uncivs to enact it early..
>>2484409Is this game good yet??
>>2488812Im enjoying it. But that's probably because I got it on sale.
>>2488777I had like half the country as radicals and couldn't pass anything.
>>2488880what's your construction strategy like?
>>2488880It means you didn't construction-loop hard enough.
>>2488881>Look at what's missing>Build itLike should i have made more armies and a navy to get some more demand? I had about 40 million gdp by 1870, observing the ai it gets that 20 years later.
>>2488891>>Look at what's missingConstruction and government goods then?You shouldn't bother with consumption needs till very late.I think you'll get plenty of demand by building up your logging camps, iron minds and other things for the construction-loop.
>>2488880dont force ityoure gonna run into radicals early midgame anyway, if you cant get reforms you want because big interest groups block it just sit on a reactionary government with high legitimacy for loyalists
>>2488915I think he should get off agrarianism at least.
>>2488915But how do i get to Empire of Japan then? Afaik i need to get out of Bakufu.
>>2488891>Like should i have made more armies and a navy to get some more demand?LMOA, no. You should build nothing but construction goods until 1860.
Don't simply build whatever is most expensive. Build what will increase government budget the most. Don't look at only income, but also expenses. 90% of your budget will be spent on construction, so making construction goods cheaper will giver better returns than literally anything else.
>>2488925Logging camps are also amazing. The best building in the entire game.
You can, by putting your army in the government and bribing your clergy, get agrarianism not so soon into the game. Both you and your private que income should more than double once that happens.
>>2488855I mean I will pirate it kek... I just want to know if it has more/better content compared to release version
>>2488932Charters of commerce and the update it came with unironically saved the game, it'll never be as chudpilled as vicky 2 but it's still fun in its own right
>>2488934Danke!
>>2488880i really struggled on my last japan run too high literacy is a double edged sword, i didn't get off the ground until like 1900s because br*tain stole korea so i had no subjects to boost my government income
Here's my budget at 1862. Notice construction goods alone take up 60% of all state expenses. Income tax is so small it may as well not exist. Making construction cheaper is always the correct choice 100% of the time. The second highest expense is paper, which is a literal fraction of that.
>>2488921you wait for the honorable restoration JE you get after opening up the countryyou open the country either by presssing the button and destabilizing yourself or getting rid of isolationism the regular way when you get the chancethen in honorable restoration you go for the taikun path except you purposely go shit legitimacy when you press the button (or alternatively just pass oligarchy / any other form of voting afterwards)
>>2488956So you're saying when the Russians come and demand i open up i should take that and not fight them? I did fight them and got a white peace.
>>2488953I think it's convinent to pin the most important goods. So you know when there's a shortage of anything.Also, does the japan dlc block foreign countries from declaring war to open your market? The UK has done so three times by now but I have cheated to make them accept a white peace. It feels a lot like cheating.
>>2488973>>2488972The DLC lets you open up so quickly the AI doesn't get a chance to declare war on you. Isolationism is absolute garbage (it got nerfed) so opening up ASAP is always correct.
>>2488977Well, if you can't reform out of isolationism what then?
>>2488979Bro just surrender to GB when they open your market. If they don't declare then just pass mercantilism. It's not that hard.
>>2488973>i cheated and it feels like cheating
>>2488997The britshitters opening my market befroe 1840 when the landowners sitll have 99.99% of political power feelsl like sheeting.I actually cheated to stop from happening at once.
>>2488953you can't really tax peasantsi really hope none of you reform taxation at a loss just for the sake of it
>>2489001The DLC lets you open up for free in 1838. Japan is a cheat unciv.
Ok, followed all the tips. This is the result lol.
Are all other italian subjects supposed to get up and fuck off with no diploplay to repuppet them as soon as san marco happens every single time or is it a bug? i'm actually unsure.
>>2489036i wish heavenly kingdom happened in my japan game
>Paradox fucked the AI so badly that my fucking nobles managed to build enough opium plantation levels to fire the event that gets China addicted to Opium>As a still-isolationist Japan
>>2489001It isn't that good because your country will get absolutely niggered by journal entries that lock you into being a shithole for decades if you don't manage to reform in a short time period afterwards.
>>2489125it didnt happen in my game either, they just spawned when china collapsed into warlords
>>2489005I get where you are coming from but with 600 cs as Japan you probably don't have many peasants left.
>>2489273LMAO, no. You still have a shitton. You need 2k construction to start making a difference.
>>2489350I don't know how you define making a difference but I haf a 4-1 ratio of peasants to labourers with less construction sectors at OPs year as japan. At that point poll tax is superior to land tax.
Would you call paradox trying to obfuscate technology only associated with Europeans as a kind of universalism to be, how do they say it when it's a bad thing... cultural appropriation?I'm also not sure why this tech unlocks Luddites. I'm also not sure I like paradox's interpretation of luddites. The strangest part is you can find marxist historians who make very convincing arguments that they were trve marxists, or if I put it simply workers are poor and hungry, workers steal and smash, owners shoot to kill, government enforces property as a right and criminalises the poor with incarceration, execution and transportation (exile/deportation/Australia), everyone's miserable at the end of the day. Instead in game,>luddite: only rural folx (yes) and clergy (huh?)>has: victorian or soviet economy law (by the way, luddites were pre-victorian)>bad approval>5 tiers of heavy industry (why not any industry?)>unemployment (yes)>pollution high (... I think SoL should matter more)>for agitators: does not have both industry banned AND isolationismaka they're the anti-progress, anti-industrial, anti-development, anti-player, when, arguably, they should not be an IG ideology but something related to states getting turmoil but with added throughput losses. And to be solved by getting any internal affairs or policing law because worker-owner-government relations are completely outside this game's scope. I mean, you could even just chalk it up as a mechanic that find resurgence when anarchism is "discovered" and remove anarchism as an ideology too. It's basically the same thing, people pissed off that they're poor and random violence ensuing but this time politicians are a target (and assassinations shouldn't be an event that only happens when passing secret police, secret police should prevent the event).
>>2489372Luddites still exist today. Any sort of technological change that upsets the labor market brings them out, but they only become a problem if a country is already having problems.
>>2489376>Luddites still exist today.I've seen indian workers smashing solar panels for what might be a pay dispute (news travels poorly so I don't trust it) but first world countries have solved it.
>>2489382They're not smashing shit directly, but they want to. They're just pushing for the state to do it for them. Nothing has changed.
After trying all three options, I think religious schools is the best option for Japan. Conversion > assimilation, and public schools actually gives you *too much* literacy. Private school is so weak it's barely different from no schools (maxed out it gives you 40% literacy).
>>2489384Well I can remember a few high profile stories from where I am, where strong unions interfered legislatively with rail automation slashing jobs, by using an unfalsifiable 'ealth and safety excuse, but I'd be hesitant to call what I can think of as luddite.>>2489398Who do you need to convert?Do you mean too much literacy because of working class radicals?
>>2489372That¨s a lot of words for an ideology that doesn't happen 99.9999% of playtroughs with the reminder being people who introduce universal suffreage as Qing or Russia.
>>2489408If you're going shinto you need as much conversion as possible. Although shinto sucks so I don't recommend it. In general conversion is better than assimilation. Assimilation is both slow as molasses AND useless, while conversion makes pops more accepted. Too much literacy is bad because it increases wage expectations/radicalism and lowers birth rates. Public schools give you way too much of it, while the assimilation bonus does nothing.
>>2488513lmfaoLaughing at these brain donors is always fun.
>>2489415Yes, I would prefer it if it was removed.
#exrussia
>>2489563Mein Gott, es ist wunderbar
>>2489563why not just, you know, form germany?
btw my europe of 1895
>>2489604i wanted to stay prubia but got turned into ngf, wanted to assimilate south germans to north germans but then i went cultural exclusion which makes it impossibleidk, i could form "central europe" too just didnt feel like it
>>2489606And people said Victoria II Grossgermanium gloating was dead
This is a piece of shit game with broken mechanics that still do not work years after release. Imagine being unable to go to war without some retarded 'diplomatic play' only to then not being able to bring the war to a conclusions becasuse some war goals can't be achieved due to retarded AI fuckery caused by constant secessions, revolutions and colonial wars. You want to add war goals? Fuck you, that's not allowed. You want to join an already ongoing war? Fuck you, that's not allowed. Want to have a somewhat plausible world war? Fuck you, that's not a thing, millions will die due to investment rights in some godforsaken shithole you can't even locate on the map.Fuck this pice of shit game and the fucking retards buying paradoxslop, I fucking hate you.
>>2489858blud spiked his cortisol
>beta patch 3>early troop ships still in next patchfuck
>>2489904Fuck you too. I can't believe just how bad the grand strategy genre was degraded into this retarded 'sandbox' ahistorical piece of shit with flashing lights and pretty colours and no fucking substance so that retarded youtubers can make retarded 'I conquered the world with Niggerfaggots' videos.Everything went to shit after Hearts of Iron 3.
>Wargoal Infamy Rebalancing>Complete rework of how infamy from wargoals is calculated. Infamy is now calculated against a state’s share of global GDP and population rather than a flat value, so that it scales properly throughout the game. It is also generally higher for very consequential states and lower for inconsequential ones (taking London gives a lot of infamy, Dutch West Indies not so much). Costs for non-conquest war goals were also rebalanced to be more appropriate to their impact.All uncivs just became free real estate.
>>2489909>Everything went to shit after Hearts of Iron 3.Can't blame them for not focusing on the kind of gamers that won't buy their games.
>>2489917Who gives a shit anyway, not like there's any strategic depth or grand strategy anyway. Its just retarded AI doing retarded things while you gobble up territory and build the exact same things in every game.
>>2489921Everything restaurant should turn into a McDonalds, they sell the most burger and that means they're the best. Eat your fucking slop.
>>2489923Do you think companies should companies should operate at a loss?
>>2489937Was Paradox operating at a loss before they decided to become slopmaxing faggots? No? There you go, faggot.
>>2489939They didn't get their money back from HOI3 so they decided to stop making games like that, yes.
>>2489946>They didn't get their money back from HOI3Except they did, you fucking faggot. Everything stems from the fact that dumbing down games and making them more 'accessible' to retards like you simply makes them more money and they can sell you DLC #2242 that features your shithole becoming an all powerfull globe spanning empire.die in a fire
>>2489948>Except they did, you fucking faggot. Everything stems from the fact that dumbing down games and making them more 'accessible' to retards like you simply makes them more money and they can sell you DLC #2242 that features your shithole becoming an all powerfull globe spanning empire.that has how Victoria 2 worked though. It was actually easier to turn unciv shitholes into global powers since conquest gave you free westernization mana and westernizing gave you free tech.
>>2489917>17 infamy to absorb venezuela and grao-para immediately as new granada, 30 if you include ecuador (or sub 25 if you ignore grao-para)blobbing's back on the menu, boys
>>2489952Except it wasn't and you couldn't be building steel mills in 1840's as Sokoto.
>>2489958Go tell that to the people posting their games on the reddit.and in vicky 3 you don't get free techs because you hit the magical westernization button.
>>2489964Lmao, not only is that semi realistic, as Oman was a major playor in east Africa, but even ignoring that, you can take more territory with fucking landlocked Buganda surrouned by fucking uncivilized countries in 10 years from game start.You're a fucking faggot.
>>2489977How about you unpause and and comeback how that save went ten years later?
>>2489992Its a lets play by a retarded youtuber. 10 years from that date he's invading fucking Persia and the game ends in a literal world conquest.Faggots like you are the real problem, you'll gobble any shite that comes from paraslop.>b-but you get free tech when you westernizeas opposed to getting free tech from day 1 and no 'westernization' at all, you're already 'westernized' and play as you would play any other country, building construction, iron, tools, etc.
>>2489993Would you be happier if the economy just was about liquor?
>>2489996At least it would be far more realistic than building steel mills in 1840's sub saharan Africa.The entire game is FUBAR. Not to mention you could be raping the first born of queen Victoria and the UK will do nothing because they can't get involved in wars outside pre-war gimmicky 'diplomatic plays' that are essentially this pseudo retarded contract you sign with yourself.Oh, fuck, you were far more succesfull in your war than you thought? Might want to leverage that for more war goals, no? No, that's verbotten, you must use the pre-war diplomatic play. That's real historicity. It's factually impossible to have a world war 1 happen in this game. Italy wants to join in 1915? Fuck you, you can only join the war pre-war or start a completely new diplomatic play!
>>2489996nta but i would be
Beta got updated, infamy costs were reworked. STILL no early troopships, though.
>>2489996Vicky 2 at least had a fabric/clothing industry. According to Vicky 3 the only thing that matters for industrialization is steel.
>>2489964>>2489977Why does Vicky 2 look so much better? I know that a modded screenshoot but still. Victoria 3 art style does not fit in with the timeline at all. Why is everything in bright flashing colours with a bunch of pointless shading and glossyness? Are artists fucking braindead?
>>2490069it looks so much better with the jap mapskin, warm mapmods actually make it look nice but it'll never be as good as hfm vic2
Why does Military Access not allow me to naval transport troops to their territory? I don't see a "docking rights" option.
>>2490081You can only station troops in allies. No even in subjects -- specifically allies only.
>>2490083Thank you. Is there anything inside of the game that would tell me that?
If I had enough money I would literally buy Paradox interactive just to find out who is making these retarded gameplay, mechanics and art decisions so I could personally fire him and everyone he is associated with at the company.
>>2490091>artWhat's wrong with the art? You whiny faggots keep finding new things to whine about.
How do you guys play Austria? Within a year or two Hungary had increased autonomy and i could press form Austria-Hungary due to very high liberty desire. How do you keep that down? I regularly see AI Austria owning Hungary and half of Germany.
>>2490364What does it say if you hoover over the loyality bar?
Playing Europe, USA just turned hostile because I invited Canada into my market union blocc. Should I be worried?
I think all the loading screens look good. Apart from the ww1 one. Looks like a bunch of cosplayers playing around in the dirt.
>>2490000>At least it would be far more realistic than building steel mills in 1840's sub saharan Africa.can you even get steel that early as african country?
>>2490475You can get steel but steel tools but it will take a very long time till you get any use of them and your laws are late stage AIDs
>>2490475>>2490558they dont even start with steelmaking, youre gonna be researching for 15 years before you make steel tools and odds are you wont even focus it but instead research society for market access and literacy which will set back your economy research more
>>2490364Beat the shit out of them, take a couple states in the diplo play for independence, gift them back so their liberty desire drops, then annex them with the journal entry
>>2489909Do you have a theory for why no other companies have filled that niche?
ugh the new beta update killed greece start, you cant offer liberate country anymore, you now have liberate as subject which russia doesnt wantalso liberate country now has a small infamy cost (about 10%, release as subject is 60%)
>>2490475>>2490566steelworking is literally one of if not the first tech you will grab, Sokoto is a veritable world power in 20 years from game startchoke on some dicks, faggots
If state construction of wood and iron is all it took to get industrialized, why didn't IRL countries do it? Were they stupid?
>>2490648The answer is closer to "yes" than you would think. One of the main reasons why economic development was so slow in the past is because development requires production, and production requires investment, and investment requires wealth. For most of history, the people with wealth were either landowners or merchants, neither of which really required much industry to get wealthy, so they didn't see the need to invest in production as a way of making money.When we play a game, we understand the long-term positive effects of increasing production, and so we know that grabbing all the country's wealth and investing it into increasing production eventually makes us more powerful. This leads to ahistorically rapid economic development. This sort of strategy wasn't employed by real governments until Stalin's Five Year Plans.
>>2490640Steel tools, retard.>veritable world power 20 years from game startWhich is semi realistic because it was a relatively highly literate caliphate in western africa surrounded by spear chuckers? No wonder you need to prove yourself by being slightly better at old video games than average.
>>2490665>Which is semi realistic because it was a relatively highly literate caliphate brownoid delusional faggots at work
>>2490666Relatively, not compared to the absolute but to its neigbhours, muslim and non-muslim spear-chuckers.Post your hand and a timestamp illiterate mexikek.
not him and not involved in this argument but a minute clergical class who only know and read their holy book is hardly an example of a "literate" society by this logic europe had full literacy from charlemagne onwards
>>2490670Fuck off brownoid retard
>>2490665Steelworking, retard, is the first tech you'll grab as Sokoto.
>>2490675Keep throwing around that buzzword, shitskin who doesn't know what "relative" means.
>>2490680>hurr durr its totally realistic that sokoto turns into a world power within 20 years>muh relative literacy rate proves thiswhat a dumb brown faggot you are
>>2490681Yes, Oman could have become a regional power but not Sokoto, for reasons.What is if like being an Arab?
>>2490705>What is if like
>>2490707Post your keyboard. So I may know what kind of nonwhite you are.
>>2490711Arguing niggers were actually very advanced and callng anyone else nonwhite is fucking hilarious
>>2490714Define, in the little English you know, what "relatively" means.
>>2490716Says the illiterate brownoid
i declared on hungary to release croatia, banat and trannyvania as subjects (epic new feature in the beta)turns out the game is trying to make them dominions, sees the relationship is invalid and instantly breaks itbravo trannydev, fix your game
>>2490719I take that as you nor knowing what relative means then.
>>2490720broken game with retarded mechanics still broken with retarded mechanics
>>2490640What do you do with these steel mills that you build? Tell me.
>>2490733>what are railroads and steel tools
>>2490743Which you unlock with steelmills?
>>2490745Steelmills are required to produce them, retard.
>>2490746And how long does it take you to unlock the required teachs after unlocking steelmills?
>>2490749You're a fucking retard that needs to be spoonfed.
>>2490753Then spoon feed me retard. Prove you're not just another retard talking about shit you know nothing about since your single accomplishment in life is being above average at a game released 15 years ago.
>>2490758Just because you're too fucking dumb and represent the lowest common denominator for modern paradox games does not mean I will spoonfeed you. Nevermind your retarded ramblings at the end, dumb brownoid faggot.
>>2490760You can't then. Glad we agree on that.
>>2490762Likewise I'm glad we agree you're a retarded brownoid sub 80IQ faggot that needs to be spoonfed the absolute basics. Now fuck off back to your mudhut.
>>2490764Prove what a retarded brownoid I and tell me how it is done. It's simple, prove that you know what I do not.
>>2490766>Prove what a retarded brownoid I and tell me Res ipsa loquitur
>>2490769Concession accepted.
Does everyone play with construction capacity tied to GDP? I just started playing recently and I noticed it exempted the player by default. I perceived it as easy mode and turned it off, but maybe I shouldn't have.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-189-free-update-1-15-features-and-improvements.1941669/Dev diary dropped, TLDR is winter affects trading and naval routes, poland can into congress, cossacks, and copper
>>2490928Fix game? No, add more features on top of the broken mess
>>2490928>Let’s start with the fundamental one, the impact on ships and their movement. If a sea node’s Cold value is high enough, it starts slowing down ship movement speed, up to the point where ships barely move at all when they’re enclosed by ice.So be mindful at what time of the year you send your ships through the Baltic for example. A ship will immediately be slowed down when entering a node affected by severe enough Cold.>The last effect that the Cold has is the impact on trade. Trade Centers whose state is connected to a sea zone affected by severe Cold will have a significantly reduced Trade Capacity, which will hinder their ability to conduct trade of course.So shifting some trade towards an area with less winter problems might be a good idea if you’d like to avoid this becoming a problem.Interesting.
>>2490941The warm water ports of texas oblast....
>>2490720>play beta>be mad that things in beta don't work as they shouldinteresting
>>2490986>play full release>things still don't work as they should
That's rough.
>>2491156>23Ooof
>>2491156No hair for heir
>>2491156The Fresh Prince with No Hair
Any mod for this game similar to GFM/HPM? I like the new mechanics, but miss the narrative aspect of Vic2 mods.
>>2490941>So be mindful at what time of the year you send your ships through the Baltic for exampleNo one is going to flip flop caring about this mechanic every six months in game
>>2491334>brainlets get filteredSkill issue.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3798508151cool mod
>>2491334I think the point isn't that you're supposed to keep track of when you're declaring war, it's mean to make it a pain in the ass to play as a Russia with naval ambitions and force you into seeking out warm water ports like Russia historically did.
>>2491346I always thought "warm water ports" was a euphemism for brown pussy.
>>2491348that's what Russia's naval ambitions was about yeah
Sovereign block would be strong enough if it only had the principles and ability to vassalize countries but the statue giving you -25% Local decree cost just make it plain retarded.
>>2491348
>>2491341idea is nice but suffers from paradox pop splitting, your sudetenland is gonna be 85% czech just like leftover bohemia
The infamy change has changed things for greece. You can grab Albania and its 1 million aryans for almost free. >>2488248Depending on your shipping situation you may get a handy penny dumping your tobacco surplus on Russia through treaties.
Anybody managed to clear Tenpo crisis with the new patch? I seem to be unable to cheese it with the petite bourgoisie from day 1 way - there are not petite bourgoise from day 1.
>>2491519Did the release country changes make it more difficult to get russia to help? Or do you promise the world to them in exchange for an obligation and use that to bring them in
>>2491533Yeah, unless you won't mind failing the megali idea and offer to become their vassal they're not prone to helping you. Made it work by improving relations with Egypt and Sicily and calling them in 1st januari 1840. Montenegro is great to due to all their conscripts and for sitting on a mountain which causes the turks to throw thousands of men on them in hopeless offensives.Does anyone else experience Ionian Isands turning hostile due to wanting to conquer you? Couldn't get them the entry way, had to conquer them.
I wish they sold narrative separately content because I don't want to pay for the ability of putting a few more canons on my ship just for some extra japan content.
>>2491522i did on the last beta patch with rigid order, getting gdp up was the hardest part, ignored the PB>>2491533>>2491537russia wont help without bulgaria, they dont help egypt eitherin my run i attacked the turks alone when they attacked egypt (+ montenegro) and managed to beat the 30 units army they sent with conscripts, they cant keep up with recruitment efforthowever blobbing and deathwarring fucked my economyionian islands also kept expelling my diplomats, i think they stopped at some point in 1880s and let me get up with clergy event
You couldn't call Egypt into your war in exchange for independene?>RomaniaDid you release it or?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3803950977something for the freaks who keep playing into the 20th century
>>2491544didnt tryi released transsylvania banat and croatia from hungary and they just united like this (catholic too)odd because i thought the decision they have is supposed to unite all 3
>>2491549haven't seen the Wallachia/Moldavia union happen in a while.Maybe they fucked something up in the coding.About your gdp difficulties, I do wonder if that's a red herring early game. Your gdp will be pretty shit till you reach the third era technologies and you'll be running into a severe limit from population if you industralize before that,
>>2491549looking at it. you need to have a positive relationship with all great powers with an interest in the balkans and have a neigbhour that's neither a puppet or another countrys vassal.I assume wallachia started with that due to gaining its independence and instantly schlorped up Wallachia.
>>2491574transylvania started*
Greece this, Japan that. Anyone here given Wallachia a try? All that iron and coal and having the danube MAP bonus in your capital must do something.
>>2491578It's very much a meme playthrough, especially if you can form a cultural commonwealth and add romanian culture to other romance countries and annex them that way
>>2491578i did like 2 weeks ago, beating up the turks is cute but after conquering bulgaria youre stuck because austria tends to be friends with russia so you need to be lucky and need germany to shit on them
>>2491634You can eat even more of turkey but at some point you're just becoming romanian byzantium.
If I never gave other countries investment rights, how do random countries like Spain or Portugal own some of my factories? Also, I did give investment rights to Russia and the UK early on, now I only own like 34% of my own GDP. Is this bad? Should I nationalize and piss them off? And once I nationalize everything, is there a way to sell off those to my own companies or financial districts in bulk or can I only set them to privatization and it'll happen gradually?
>>2491719>Also, I did give investment rights to Russia and the UK early on, now I only own like 34% of my own GDP. Is this badProbably. They probably filled your states with plantations.
>>2491719Conquering land doesn't transfer building ownership. Foreign investment sucks because the the only thing the AI builds is plantations. Giving company monopolies makes building purchases for them cheaper.
>>2491670in my game i took bulgaria and thrace, basically just extending to the aegean then made greece and serbia subjects and fed them the resti really dont like how you cant just call someone like greece into wars as an ally for a homeland, the ai never wants it, even when you're basically already mopping the floor with the turks and its just free land
>>2491720Won't those be unprofitable and shut down in the long run? Won't this work itself out as long as I don't subsidize them? >>2491722Ahh, that was it, it's all in land that I conquered. Thanks, anon. Also, is there any downside to giving your companies charters for monopoly in their respective industries? I thought there'd be some advantage in having mixed ownership (financial districts, companies, government, foreign investment, etc) but I don't think this is an advantage in this game.
>>2491825>>Won't those be unprofitable and shut down in the long runIt was a few patches ago since I gave Russia or Britain development rights.But back those plantations would stay barely profitable and hire up all peasants avaible.So you would end up with shortages in food, clothes, furniture and everything else that peasants produce and all your industries would become profitable due to competing with plantations for any potential workers.
>>2491825>is there any downside to giving your companies charters for monopolyincreases the price by 20%, so a monopoly on paper makes you spend more
>>2491825Monopoly causes prices on the good to rise as much as 20% based on how much of it is produced under monopoly, this is actually good for industries like vineyards as it makes them profitable even with a ton of excess supply. Don't monopolize anything you buy as the govt if you can help it
>>2491830>>2491862>>2491887Thanks, anons. I just picked the game up on discount after avoiding it for years. Seems like there's definitely potential, but until a big overhaul comes around I don't know how many full games I'll play. The US fighting Russia for control of central Africa just ruins the immersion.
Building feels like that part in I Love Lucy with the chocolate conveyor belt.
How do you guys handle military ship construction? Just spamming the standard ships or only the most expensive ones or mixing them up high/low? And what ratio between capital ships and screens or torpedo boats do you go for?
>>2492044Like every other paradox game.Build enough ships to move my army around and park it in harbour for the rest of the game.
>>2492044what this guy said >>2492144Paradox has never made a game where naval warfare isn't a boring, incomprehensible chore, and probably never will
>>2492044The meta is capital ship spam.
>>2492195Discussed something similar about this on a previous thread, i don't think it's just pdx games but most historical games in general when it comes to navy.Naval warfare historically has been a very winners take all kind of game which makes it more difficult to implement any sort of interactively entertaining naval strategic aspect. Not saying it can't be done or isn't possible, but just that it's hard to make naval gameplay not just building more ships until you win. The total war series being a bit better maybe since you can actually fight naval battles, but it's more difficult in any sort of grand strategy game. In addition to a navy usually taking up a lot of resources which would usually go to better things with lower risk.
>>2491981Damn, 90 year olds play Victoria 3?
>>2492268It used to come on late at night on Nickelodeon in the 90s
Finally got this after a few tries. Can't go full reformer though, there's just not enough time to pass the needed laws.
>>2492044>>2492231>>2492144Different ships have different "Vulnerability" and "Screening" values. Be careful.
>>2491522It's certainly doable. I got 7 of 8 with the barracks needed queued for one more month just casually attempting it. You have to be extremely aggressive on getting your taxation capacity up and constructionmaxxing with max taxes, though.>>2492411The odd part is that failing isn't even necessarily a bad thing. I used the failure to exile the shogun and get his more agreeable son into place.
>>2491522It's not worth it. You can't get the PB strong enough in time, so you have to build farms/forts. just fail it while leaving a leader you don't care about in government.
>>2492259>Naval warfare historically has been a very winners take all kind of gameI feel like this is a gross oversimplification that you could say about land warfare if everyone had a ledger they could open that detailed everyone's army everywhere in the world right down to the cooks and their mobilisation impact.But then we don't get actual Victorian wars in Victoria 3 (or II), so it's a bit of a moot point to talk about limited engagements, strategic warfare, seasonal warfare, and how the British "fucked" China (destroyed some coastal forts and the central palace) without going into a total war that killed a million Brits and Sepoys.
When will they add proper war management automization like hoi4 has.
>>2492259I think the issue is that paradox games are too wide in scope and take too long to allow such fail states as "losing your overseas empire because you built too few ships".Their only games that does something like that are HOI and those games spans 20 years.
How often do you switch to shitty laws so IGs will support better ones? Like switching to land based taxation so more IGs will support proportional.
>>2492647I do this one, rarely for anything else
Vicky 3 is commie propaganda, if it was historical all communit countries would have a shit economy and the population should starve
>>2492688yes the game is cringe and bluepilled, i should be able to create a powerhouse by remaining a based reactionary catholic feudal monarchy
>>2492699Tbf you can do that.
Any reason to not always go for bronze+iron then tools+steel as your first two companies?
>>2492734As long as you don't give them a monopoly, sure.
>>2492739No I saw the post about paper companies above.Which might be a good choice if you are japan or china.Wood company if you're playing in north africa.
>>2492688not really desu it crazy how much eu5 and vic3 instill the bourgeois hatred of aristocracy and church in players
Victoria 3 is a swedish social democratic propaganda game trying to make you want to kill farmers with a blowtorch.
>>2492743Reminder - the French Revolution was started by upper middle class people who felt they were not upwardly mobile enough because money can't buy blue blood. Peasants and aristocracy had good relationships to another where they actually lived in the same communities.
>>2492647I only do it for technocracy. It's far easier to go oligarchy -> technocracy than any other path.
>>2492756Based upper middle class people.
>>2492756Why do you say it like they were wrong for feeling that way?
>>2492794Because the reform process was already going on. You could actually buy lower nobility status with money, it's just that the old blood nobles didn't accept you as their equals, and the state itself was in a long term process of destruction of the nobility anyway.
>>2492815The reform process had gone so far that the nobles could shut down any proposals that they should share the tax burden.>just that the old blood nobles didn't accept you as their equalsI think the Middle class was right to not feel okay with that.
Do you build by state or by building? 5 buildings of one type in a row, or a group of 5 different buildings for one state?
>>2492860Always build related industries together in one state unless you'd run out of workers there. MAPI means that having your construction industries parked on top of your wood and iron will significantly cheapen their cost to you, for example.
>>2484533The stuff people said about sucking up to Russia is no longer valid with the most recent patch.
>>2492756>Peasants and aristocracy had good relationships to another where they actually lived in the same communities.the peasants were dumb npc bootlickers, some things never change
>>2493048Now the parisienne sans culotte hanging on every word of Marat and Robbespierre like some ersatz-religion, they knew what was going on! >Gets conscripted and sent to Flanders to die
>>2492756>where they actually lived in the same communities.>french aristocrats>same communities as their peasantsThe Bretons were the only exception that did this.
Is "Water-tube Boiler" the best early production to go for technology?
Fuck you guys, I'm making my own Victoria game, in 3d, with actual markets, stockpiles, black jack and hookers.
>>2493103Johan will murder you.
>>2493177He wil rip the Victoria 2 CD case from my cold dead hands
How do I ban slavery in EIC?
>>2492044>>2492144I am gay, I suck cocks, yada yada.Went for a game with an actual overseas empire and I lost a bunch of shit because my navy had to stay portbound and my colonial armies run out of supplies. Worthless 99% of the game then really good when it matters, which I guess is better than the average paradox game.
I will save you, anon, give me a couple of years.
>>2493103>>2493284You could probably vibecode a Vicky game.
>>2493289What do you think I'm doing my man? Except I'm putting my own spin on it, doing it in unreal with a 3D 40x40 km region out of which you transition into a strategic mape. Likewise you will have the ability to place some building and distance (or time) being actually relevant for arbitrage between local markets. This will incentivize the player to build sensible infrastructure such as roads, railways, canals, etc to improve the trade of goods. Also, stockpiles and actual supply expanded to the army as well. I'm making the architecture right now and the market logic, price discovery, firing, hiring, wage competition, inflation/deflation, etc.
Hello frens I turned the great lakes into navigable sea nodes :)
How urgent is it to go from state religion to freedom of coscoience?The former locks you out of some nice things but just can't bother changing it.>>2493355Nice
>>2493369Religious laws don't matter much. They don't affect migration, just tolerance of pops.
>>2493375It does matter for agiators, though I think they nerfed those a while back.Also getting state schools if I want to go full assimilationist LARP.
>>2493379I strongly suspect assimilation modifiers do nothing. I noticed no difference between maxed public schools and religious/private for assimilation rate.
>>2493390That seems likely.If we go by what it says on the can full public education, which is a pain in itself to introduce, only increases assimilation by 60%. Which sin't that fucking much considering how slow it is.
What the hell is this?
>>2493437You're not renewing the Bakufu. Meaning you're not pursuing union of imperial court and shogunate.Time for parliamentary democracy (for daimyo only).
>>2493446This feels like throwing dice, i have no idea what i'm getting at the end. I just want the beautiful red color and flag of the imperium ;_;
>>2493452>when you want to LARP>but are illiterate and can't read>and dumb and uneducated, and don't know historyHistorically, Tokugawa pursued union with emperor.>If the Shogunate is pursuing Union of Court and Shogunate, and either the ruler is a Traditionalist or Legitimacy is no more than 50, trigger the event The Decree of Restoration in 7 daysThe emperor told him to fuck off, and, influenced by mainly Choshu Domain daimyo, stripped him of titles, and abolished the house, which led to Boshin War. Which Tokugawa lost.
Also, Taikun (Greater Lord) is where 'tycoon' comes from.
>>2493375>They don't affect migrationIsn't migration derived from tolerance?>>2493390>>2493421A 1000% modifier on nothing is still nothing. Check the pop you're expecting to convert's daily rate and you'll see why it is or isn't.
>>2493550Migration only accounts for cultural tolerance. Religion is ignored. Only agitators care about both.
>>2493463I appreciate that tidbit, didn't know
>>2493550Cheated public schools on an existing save and as you said the modifier did nothing. Wonder if this is a bug.
>>2492647Charity hospitals to no healthcare to public healthcareTough it won't do shit on low levels so you're better off waiting till Pharmaceuticals and go straight to public from none
I garner that you stay on state religion for the authority bonus and stick to religious schools to keep the devout happy for the extra 20% authority and, if you get that far, bonus birth rate
Open beta update 3 just dropped, adds early troopships and rebalances some naval aspects (namely combat, capital ship spam is potentially dead)
>>2493734i hate navy shit every game should have an option to spam a single ship to win the game
>>2493734Ionian islands still hate and wants to conquer greece
>>2493747kys nigger
>>2493635The main downside is less agitators and more turmoil for non-main religion. Freedom of Consciousness is objectively the best religious law and you should always go for it.
>>2493635religious schools are garbage, you are missing out on essentially an entire level worth of education access
>>2493778An entire level that you don't need, at -20% the cost. It's way more cost-effective than public.
>>2486331>>2486374>Who knows! Sounds chuddyjust looked at the picture and saw it's neutral to internationalists so i'd be very surprised if it's anything even near chud territory. Maybe the opposite? like the explicit importation of shitskins?
>>2493778I am under the impression that education instituions do a pretty bad job of increasing literacy.
>>2493778Religious schools are generally better. Unless you're a small country you don't want max literacy. >>2493806Au contraire, the problem with public education is that it gives you too much literacy. That leads to higher SOL expectations and lowered birth rates.
>>2493734Is it compatible with old savegames?
>suppress movement>boost movement
>>2493933It does do something, it's just not worth 200 authority.
Not sure why I even care about dev diaries since I know I'm going to play Greece or Japan anytime I start a new game
How do you use your authority points?
>>2494048company charters
>ottomans support hungary's independence and get drawn into the fight>egypt and ottomans go to war>start a 3rd parallel war since the ottomans are occupiedWell, this was fortunate. 1841 btw
>>2494048decrees are strong
>>2494048Promote national values, suppress radicals/commies and investment rights to my companiesI like to cheat when the game is past 1936 btw
How do I turn off auto-updates?
That latest beta update must really suck balls
>>2494224Even with early troop ships you're heavily limited on how much you can move early on, the UK is the only one who can move substantial amounts and they're usually too busy with wars. This is probably the best patch to play algeria, france can't send doomstacks after you like they previously could
>>2494228Fair criticism but just commenting on the turkish review-bombing due to discord drama
>>2494224>Respect to AtaturkNo, Paradox upset the Turks... somehow. What did they do?
>>2494233Some discord janny banned a guy for having an attaturk profile picture, flame waring is cheap and the turkish economy is in the toilet.
>>2494224>paradox forums: threads nuked>vic3 subreddit:>Sorry but I'm preemptively locking this post down because its basically off-topic for Vicky plus we're the same team across all the subreddits and between work, sleep, and other bits of life there just aren't enough of us online right now to keep a good eye on multiple discussions of this shitshow.>plus we're the same team across all the subredditshttps://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/1wo971a/regarding_the_antiturkish_censorship/>The moderator claimed he's a “controversial figure”, "related to modern politics”. Then claimed Atatürk had a part in the Armenian Genocide, which is historically not true.>Alright folks, this post is the one because we finally have an OP who didn't deny the genocide.>As silly as it might sound at first, I think you may be onto something. I can't think of the last time I saw a person with a historical figure as their pfp that wasn't a problem generator. [anime pfp, 12 cake anniversaries on reddit]Paradox fandom discovering anyone not from western europe doesn't believe in tearing down statues or apologising for genocide. Perhaps their discord group should ask you to type out "Trans Rights are Human Rights" before you can join it. Maybe paradox deserves this for pandering to brown nationalists.
>>2494252Think there's a whole site dedicated to reposting reddit drama for you somewhere.
>>2494254I care not for kiwifarms.
>>2487441You're Russian
Will this to anything for assimilation or be another nothingburger like public schools.
>>2494364Probably more for colonial growth. We don't currently know what stats these provide.
>>2490057stalin and mao's pig iron fetish has been a disaster for leftist understanding of industrialization
>>2494245Erdoğan personally ordered every turk to attack parajew for the crime of being swedish(femboy)
>play EIC as very first playthrough>get 10 SoL just fucking around and not understanding anything >next 50 times can't get it now that I know I need itI just want to spread Company rule over the ocean...
I'm trying to enact Colonial Slavery(down from Debt Slavery, hopefully to Banned) and one of my subjects is about to have an abolitionist revolution. Is there any way I can capitalize on this?
>>2494171>attack hungary to steal the coastal provinces while they're busy fighting austria for independence>somehow bohemia breaks free during all thisactual golden seed, holy hell>>2494489A revolutionary movement in an adjacent country will make your own movement more activist, which may put you over the 25% threshold for using their support to pass the law. you'll need to help the subject though, if you fail to intervene on their side they will break free
This is probably my best greek run so far.>raise as many conscripts as possible and throw them at the turks while they are fighting egypt to conquer much of the balkans>call in Russia to eat even more of the balkans (the bulgarian provinces)>turks side with hungary against austria, help austria in exchange for the coal province in western turkeyprobably going to nerf that but it's awesome how you may just eat the turkish balkans without anyone caring right now.Should I release bulgaria as a vassal?
Is UK going republican in everyone else's campaigns? It's happening all the time for me.
>>2494536I've noticed the same thing.
>>2494533there's no reason to release vassals from land directly connected to youjust pass less discriminatory laws if you have issues with acceptance
>>2494536The UK has been constantly falling to revolutions for several patches now. It's not new.
>generals have traits for different terrain types>state terrain types are not visible to the playerYep. Just another utterly retarded gameplay decision.
Did anybody else lose the urge to play this after the ship update? I ended up going back to Vic 2 for a while but I'm hoping the beta has improved things.
>turks are even going after Vic 2
>>2494605Learn real life topography, scrub.
>>2494657They went after every single one. 19 chumps found their way to March of the Eagles, too.
>>2494663Is wiping out the Ottomans with Greece doable in the current beta? I feel like doing it right now.
>>2494664Solo? I don't think so.
Hold on, let me check on Reddit.>Alright folks, this post is the one because we finally have an OP who didn't deny the genocide.Bruh.
>>2494655Nah, I'm loving the fact that GPs can't send 100,000 men overseas for a regional conflict, it's made conflicts way less deadly because it's not massive doomstacks fighting each other>>2494664Barely, your best bet is to pit the ottomans against the austrians so they support hungary's revolt and then start a parallel war with the help of two sicilies and egypt. Most GPs besides prussia will flat out refuse to enter on your side without becoming a subject and the UK will always support the ottomans, though they only bring an expeditionary force of ~15k because of troop ship limitations
wouldn't posting ottoman empire ultra expansionist screenshots be a better way to protest?
>>2494672>Nah, I'm loving the fact that GPs can't send 100,000 men overseas for a regional conflict, it's made conflicts way less deadly because it's not massive doomstacks fighting each otherBut does AI actually properly build fleets?
>>2494677Yes. Does it actually use them for naval invasions or coastal blockade/bombardment? Nope. They use it almost purely defensively
>>2492688If anything it's progressive liberalism propaganda. The commie laws are shit-to-meh, but "pro-minority capitalism with welfare and healthcare" is busted good. Multiculturalism is a serious contender for best law in the game STILL.
>>2494717>Revolutionary Guard>shit-to-mehTraining rate is actually huge for replenishing army strength. If you conceptualize the military as a wave of meat and steel you just slam against an enemy.
>>2494724The Zigger way of war
>never played Vic3 (only played Vic2 a couple of times)>want to play it>want to play as a kinda-difficult start from the get-go like Greece>cba playing the ''learn to play'' mode>start the game as greece in hegemony mode>exit to desktop after 1 minutewords for this feel?
>>2494847playing small nations for your first game is one of the worst ways to learn the gamepick something bigger, France, maybe Italian minor powers, Spain, Portugal, Prussia even. try, click, let it burn, you'll learn after a restart or twoi myself have north of 1000 hours i'd say and never played Greece because the campaign is just a bunch of opportunistic waiting and waddling in shit economy
>>2494849although an honorable mention to Sweden, as it's truly a nothing ever happens nation if you don't force things, so you can focus on creating IKEA and exporting it worldwide. good resources and province modifiers
>>2494849>playing small nations for your first game is one of the worst ways to learn the gameOkay.. guess I'm not going to play Greece then.. is playing in North America fun for a newb?also apparently I can ''learn the game'' and still select any country I want not necessarily the recommended ones!
>>2494849>>2494853imo the best starter countries is something like colombiayou can eat your way around south america and chill and you have all the resources you need
>>2494853Yeah USA is quite good, the only real hassle you'll have on your way is deal with or around civil war, which, from what I recall, has been constantly buffed to make it really hard to go around so you may want to prepare for that (or not)apart from that it's smooth sailing, very comfy playthrough
>>2494847I've done that twice for Greece as soon as I read that Bavarocracy crap.
the bavarocrazy thing is funny with how >you get +1 anger for being unmarried>once you marry you instead get +1 for having no heir>once you get an heir you get +1 because your heir is german
>>2494899I think married and no heir is +2You can expell your LO leader and then fire your German general after a year to get it down further
>>2494907Not married and no heir. Heir is useless due to german tho.
>>2494907yeausually you just start the diplo play asap and get enough homelands to make the mechanic moot anywaythough unless you want to larp getting the historical danish guy is the better outcome
>>2494862>>2494897Fuck it! we playing as Prussia!
>>2494918nuke prussia!
>go on reddit>"Here's a useful trick when starting as this nation!">try it>it doesn't workThis happened twice now and it pisses me off. Nobody in the comments even tests the advice.
>>2494913Does'nt the edict mana cost decrease make the greek king superior?
Coming from HOI, I'm really feeling the lack of AI controls. It'd be nice to change whatever is making Britain puppet the Central Americans.
>>2494943idk maybe i didnt remember he had thatbut getting a reformer is pretty good because you want cultural exclusion and primary school which can be pretty difficult to get
>>2494913Russia doesn't help you anymore, you can't do anything until you have egypt available to help + two sicilies (prussia is fucking useless, don't fall for the obligation call and grab constantinople instead), you can also just ignore cozying up to the UK and take the ionian islands during the ottoman war>>2494939If the strat relies on coups or AI attitude it's useless, shit rarely works imo
>>2494717This, plus secret police and outlawed dissent, etc.It basically incentivizes playing as an authoritarian dictator who loves minorities and the poor lol
>>2494954The bitch isn't public schools, it's getting off state religion which reformer doesn't cover.
>>2495052lowkey sitting on religious schools is fine with how much you need to convert
>>2494939cheese opener strats are garbage, don't bother it's always rng bullshit which requires restarts
>>2495071Yes and as anon stated above public schools does absolutely nothing in terms of actually assimilating theturks.Keeping literacy low (in your turkish homeland regions) is probably good since that increses cultural fervor which damages assimilation)
Reminder Kill Rate is broken and does nothing.
I'm tired of constant rebellions and since paradox won't, i decided to just mod in a deportation mechanic myself.If country has both ethnostate and colonial resettlement enacted, 5% of sub level 3 acceptance pops will be forcibly moved out of the country.
>>2494939The Japan guide says to immediately put Bourgoise party into government and start a reform. Problem is...The party isn't above marginal threshold at startThe Landowner party doesn't want to work with them once above threshold, meaning 0 legitimacy
>>2495275Can you see when guide was written?
>>2495294https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/1w6xcpq/the_full_efficient_japan_early_game_guide/not even a month ago
>>2495275Beta changed it so they always start marginalized. You don't need them, though. If you wait a day you can add the intelligentsia to government so you can start passing appointed bureaucrats. Move them out and replace them with the clergy, which you can negotiate with for an SOL raise (usually). Protip: There's a silly little exploit you can use to pass laws easier. When you add an IG into government that lowers legitimacy, it doesn't update immediately. The legitimacy change requires a catalyst (clicking something like an event or tax change). So you can add the intelligentsia into government 1 day before each enactment check for free extra pass chance.
>SOL mission wants me to rais SOL>Look up what's missing>Grain too expensive for poors>Build 9001 rice fields>Look up again>Grain too expensive for poors>Build 9001 rice fields again>Look up aqgain>Grain too expensive for poors>Fail
>>2495339>rice fieldsfor every 1 you build you're probably making 5,000 peasants jobless.
>>2495339Buy grain from Qing.
>>2495339You're not going to reliably raise living standards till you run out of peasants and unlock better production methods.
>the "fuck yourself in the ass" button
>>2495353>one of the journal entries for socialist states requires you to enact this law and increase your social security investment to 5crashing this economyWITH NO SURVIVORS
Nothing drains my enthusiasm for playing a country like day 1 metered JE chores.
you now remember pedro points
>>2495399>>2495402I'm sure you'll love the new Russia DLC mechanics, which comes with its own EU4-style mana system!
Im playing the Basilea 1736 mod and Byzantium has like 15 JE tasks
>>2495353Was there anything like this IRL by the end date?I'm still not sure if the poor houses (workhouses) law makes sense if only because I'm not well read on the IRL version, how much was the state involved and how many people it actually affected.
>>2495399At least the people bitching about "every country playing the same" are quiet.
>>2495399what's JE
>>2495431Journal Entry. Do you play the game?
Tbh I don't know how you can have a game based around economics and military system that doesn't have a proper stockpile systems nor a true distance modifier for trade. That's why you end up with retarded shit like either everyone can sustain massive armies overseas or almost no one can. With a stockpile system player could amass stockpiles in certain regions where they could then sustain a campaign for the duration of such a stockpile. You know, keeping in line with history and allowing targeted expansion, like France building up supply in north African ports before going to war so its able to supply its larger force for the duration of the war without having a massive navy and requiring large amount of supplies. Likewise stockpiles could buffer the demand and supply spikes when switching production. The fact factories can only produce one thing at a time, or two things in deterministic proportions, is another sin. Food factories should modulate production in terms of profitability, for example. It feels like employers in this game run job programs, not chasing profits. The more I played the game the more I realized how bare bones it is. People complain that playing every country feels the same but the game is built from the ground up mechanically in a way where there's really one optimal way to play. Its an illusion of a market and an extremely poor representation of it.
>>2495458these will either come in dlc's or not at all.
>>2495467Perhaps but at this point the game is years old and is still in a very sorry state and barebones. Don't get me started on the military system, I like the idea in theory, but the implementation is piss poor. I do not get to control units but at the same time I have to constantly baby them anyway. I don't know which microing is worse but its a close race.
>>2495481>I do not get to control units but at the same time I have to constantly baby them anywayvic 3 in a nutshell. A cookie clicker that tries its very hardest not to be, thus making all aspects of the actual game, clicking cookies, unnecessarily horrid. The simple fact that there's not a natively built-in automizer for production methods and so on per state for each building type, making it so you yourself either have to painstakingly micro each fucking building in each fucking state or just say fuck it and enable/disable production method for all buildings in all states essentially says enough about it.I wish they just accepted what this game really is and just mastered that instead of trying to be something it very clearly just isn't.
>>2495483Honestly the entire system is visually confusing and is not inline aesthetically with the victorian era. Units are represented by small blocks with numbers on them that appear to go to random places and move erratically. Sometimes I can't even tell if a particular 'stack' is at the front or HQ or whatever. I dunno its just feels off at the base level and doesn't feel like we have things like regiments, divisions, corps, etc or the fact we're commanding armies that fight in the traditional 19th century way. It's all just a blob of randomness churning in the background with a green or red number attached to it.
>>2495407Russia will use mana to advance technologies now?
>>2495499No, it looks more like Authority on crack. Plus, they gave Russia Internal Colonization at the start, so God knows what was done to Siberia.Technically, Soviets had to complete the colonization, as the northern coast wasn't mapped out until they carried out a census there.
>>2495502>Plus, they gave Russia Internal Colonization at the start, so God knows what was done to Siberia.Nothing? It's under russian full control in the game already.
>>2495510I wouldn't be so sure. Terrain and states were changed, and it's likely they purposefully avoid posting the whole of Siberia past the A-A line.
>>2495502It reminds me more of Imperator Rome's fasces mana.
What bullshit is this?
>>2495539>game not letting you ship conscripts to commit attrocities against koreans when playing as japanliterally unplayable
>>2495539Tried placing it directly on your capital?
>>2495552They are on my capital.
>>2495353is it really that bad?
>>2495607Depends on when you do it. Raise welfare too early and your companies won't afford to compete with living on welfare.
>>2495428Poor houses were basically the funny compromise between "we hate the homeless" and "oo free labor!" IRL. If you were sufficiently poor and homeless you could be involuntarily sent to the poor house, where a businessman would force you to work in exchange for food and shelter. It was ridiculously hard to save enough money to escape once you were in there, and you couldn't leave unless you had somewhere else to go.
>>2495428>>2495691I think the game is treating poor houses as a catch all term for basic welfare
>>2495700>catch all termthink they do this with most things, which to be fair is necessary in a game like this, but i also think that they'd want to keep it as abstract as possible so they don't have to actually confront the history and reality of the time.
>countries will give you free shit if you just askBeggin 'round the world.
>>2495942remember watching a guy play israel in hoi4 mp one time just going around demanding money or they'd be deemed anti-semitic, really funny.
How much damage can owing an obligation to Qing do?
>age 18grim
Finished my Japan game, and spent the last 30 years with 0 legitimacy government because f any kind of elections. 30 million radicals vs 200ish loyalists but nobody wants to overthrow the state lol.
>>2496016>electionsNewbie mistake. The meta is oligarchy -> technocracy.
>>2495947Slightly depends on what country you're playing, but most likely very little at all.
>>2495947Only time an Obligation is used against me it is to take a general.
>>2496016my last japan game was a disasteri had to go commie to get shit done i think radicals ballooned from high literacy before i could depeasant properly
>>2496087>>2496016how are radicals even real? like just fake pass legislation nigga
>>2496087I somehow got into a 30 year long debt spiral, was like at 95 % debt, but also somehow got out of it again and GDP exploded, dunno how. I said fuck it and built up construction to max in all states, then switched back to wooden construction and back down to medium tax, maybe that fixed the too expensive construction materials and pops buying too little goods.
>>2496087Still no idea how to turn radicals into loyalists, even SOL 17 wasn't good enough or passing laws with a big green line.
>>2496125who cares
>>2496135Creates turmoil and tanks your tax income, but apparently you can brute force through it.
>>2496039Byzantium. I'm thinking of trying it with EIC. Maybe I can use it to weasel out of UK's wars.
>>2496142exactly, it's really not worth paying attention to as building moar and increasing the population is really all that matters. though if you actually want to waste time clearing radicals, all you can really do is let a civil war pop and win it.
>>2496144why are you posting if you never actually played the game
>>2496144All civil wars in Japan are like 90% army defection and all provinces and they all want retarded policies.
>>2496147radicals 100% do not actually matter and can be easily managed.>>2496148you can use fakepass + abdicate to get legislation you would actually want if a civil war you can't win spawns.
Why is this always grayed out?
>>2496252The conditions to pass it (military reform objective) are impossible with an early restoration.
Thinking about creating an agrarian empire>Monarchy>Agrarianism>Mercantilism>Homesteading>Landed Voting
>>2496440anything agrarian in this game is apparently garbage, interesting larp, but not good.
>>2496443I'm tired of controlling half the world's market everytime, this one might be fun and different. I wonder if Switzerland is a good pick
>>2496440It's viable if you're a colonial country or go the groceries route, luxury groceries are one of the most profitable things imaginable, especially if you have easy access to sugar
>>2496447i understand why it'd be interesting, but switzerland? really? to base your agrarian economy off of?
>>2496457That's what I was thinking too, what a bizarre choice. Like, even sticking strictly to Europe there are so many better choices like Austria, Italy, Ukraine, hell, even Occitania.
>>2496449Wouldn't being a colony be the best choice? I wouldn't have to industrialize at all and probably have a big market to sell to>>2496457>>2496461I don't want it to be too easy by just picking USA nor too hard. I do admit that I haven't looked into Switzerland's quantity of arable land, though.
>>2496465You have a whopping 90 (ninety) pockets of arable land and the inability to do anything with it but grow rye iirc, so you'll run out of things to do pretty quickly. Just play a Chinese/Indian/American releasable, or something like Argentina/Chile if you want an agricultural economy that can actually somewhat scale.
>>2496440It's still not gonna be an agrarian empire because there's not enough arable land for a country. And capitalists still make factories under agrarianism.
>>2496440I think you would have to make some kind of TNO-like mod where you're an SS-settler state in russia trying to build a Volkish utopia for that to be viable.
The infamy rework means you can grab kosovo and its coal mines from the turks for basically free
Agriculture sucks because:1) Subsistence farms already produce an excess of food2) Consumer goods demand is easily satisfied and cannot form the basis of an economyThe game only has one way to develop an economy, and that's through construction goods.
>>2496503>300k pop>10 coal minesNot worth it.
>>2496507if you can take it and macedonia in your first war as greece it's pretty good.
>>2496509A better strat for Greece -> Byzantium (lmao) is to just become a British protectorate and then go high infamy at the start.
>>2496252You have to retire the samurai before the restoration entry finishes, which is basically impossible if you don't have non-military or non-landowner IGs. Which requires reforms and tech. So yeah, it can't be done early.
>>2496509You're better off taking constantinople and pushing the ottomans into minor power status immediately, losing egypt+hagia sophia immediately tanks their prestige and you get all the industry in the capital>>2496511If you become a subject the megali idea fails and you don't get the end result of forming byzantium (claims on all of the former land, including hungary)
>>2496641The greek journal rewards are all pretty underwhelming and the current infamy system means you can gobble the ottomans whole asian part up in a couple wars
>most prominent politicians, speeches and writing of the era are filled with subservience to god and even built temples to not-zeus>paradox: "Total separation means every religion is on equal standing"There's something very modern about believing all discrimination is based upon legislature; without institution there would be no 'ism or 'phobia, but only through institution can we correct it. Such that old America was an omnifaith (aka atheist as mechanically functional in game) bastion thanks to the good guys winning.
>think I finally "get it" and will have a good playthrough>forget one chore and it's all ruined
>>2496643I'm aware, I gobbled up all ottoman clay in the balkans by 1850, the claim on hungary is worth staying free of the UK, I also stopped needing other countries to help when the otto journal completed and I got 10% offense for 10 years
>>2496647remember something some time ago on pol about this. A lot of leftists and libs will, either purposefully or just by simple stupidity, equivocate modern atheism with the enlightenment concept of a separated church and state. Secularism of the 19th, let alone the 18th century, is almost a completely concept from modern atheistic secularism.I do think the devs of paradox are either just brainwashed like the rest of us scandis into doublethink or are just stupid.
>>2496647They also represent Japan as having freedom of confession despite christianity being verbotten under pain of death. I think it's a problem of the game only having four religious laws of which one is a meme option.
>>2496682The funny part is that they could just add an amendment to the law at game start that gives extra intolerance towards Christians to represent this. They just don't want to.
>>2496648You didn't overproduce iron? Guess you Just Lose.
>>2496684I think they just view religion as being pretty important for the current state of the game. Like they don't even represent mormons in the game despite their importance to us history.
>>2496689Not being important*
>>2496647>>2496689>>2496690Just imagine the religious and ethnic discrimination is going on in the background, chuddy. I mean, technically that's actually what's going on anyway.
>>2496682State Religion>All minority religions are discriminated against.>−10 Acceptance for pops with shared Religious Trait Group>−25 Acceptance for pops with no shared Religious TraitFreedom of Conscience>Only particularly exotic religions are discriminated against.>+0 Acceptance for pops with no shared Religious TraitHmm, yes, the death penalty for christians is +0 acceptance, and this is definitely equivalent to British Anglicanism and less extreme than Spanish Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy.I'm honestly surprised islam has its own laws and that they're state religion equivalents.>of which one is a meme option.I'm also surprised we didn't get more flavors of this given there are more flavors of socialism than liberalism. And the implications that no-one was atheist until the state told them to be... imagine if there was an occasional election popup event where you could say "God is Dead!" and it made ~2-5% of pops in a random state atheist.
>>2496685>realize from a post that there was more than one chore you forgot
>>2496717Wood, iron, tools, coal, steel, food factory, guns, munitions, army, ignore poll taxes wait for proportionate, invite that agitator to assign leadership, you forgot to click colonise before Britain did, you forgot to protectorate before Britain did...
>>2496728>you forgot to click colonise before Britain diddoes the UK stake claims on colonies? you might be able to get away with using infamy on that
>>2496717>He didn't have every single level of iron mine possible built and fully staffed by 1860Sorry, CHUD. Enjoy being a minor regional power.
they're called developing nations, chud
>>2496728you forgot>went for charity hospitals instead of waiting for state hospitals
oldfag enough to remember when the chuds threw a tantrum because they replaced "uncivilized" with "unrecognized"
yeah, im still mad about thatpeople with no media literacy have zero ability to separate immersive attitudes of the time with their modern sensibilities same problem with terms like "saracens" being removed in the changeover from CK2 to CK3the berlin conference would not have referred to the africans as "unrecognized"
>no reply postwhatever you say man.
i just prefer the aesthetics of themthe post-ironic nonchalant dissidence... très magnifique...
Don't care. Going ultramilitarist Japan and causing 30% mortality in occupied China.
zased
There's got to be something in the code specifying that even when Ottomans are getting curbstomped by Russia, Austria, Egypt, Wallachia, Serbia and Moldavia, Greece still does nothing.
>>2496818war system is total garbage every war is a slog major countries can always stall and recover i can't believe you still can't return core provinces to the third partyas russia you can't larp greek project because of this
>>2496818>Greece [...] does nothing.realism desu
You can complain about v3 being a trivial game but if you're a vicky2-head it's just embarrassing.
its actually embarrassing how victoria 2 is still superior to victoria 3superior aestheticallysuperior in gameplaysuperior in designat least ck3 is finally managing to eclipse ck2, it's just sad how v3 will never be better than v2
let it go unc vic2 is 20 years old at this point
I unironically think all Paradox games except Vicky 3 suck.
>let it goi have, you were the one who brought up victoria 2v3 tards are so mindbroken by it they send all day seething about it and then when they're called on it they act like they never cared in the first place
It's fine if you think the game you played when you were 12 is the best game ever.
just because you were 12 in 2020 doesn't mean everyone was, bro
I'll do an argumentum ad populum and say the gane people actually play is better.
because mass appeal is always the sole arbiter of quality
fortnite is better than both victoria 2 and 3 put together, because it has more players
>>2496844Bro you have modern remakes of 20 year old games that are worse than the originals. Game quality over time is not linear.
>>2496858EU5 is basically a spiritual successor to Victoria 2, and it's much worse than it in every way.
Fortnite, the well known grand strategy victorian era game.
fps are better than grand strategy games because they have more playersyou can cry about it all you want but the thing more people play is always of higher quality than the thing that less people play
genuinely don't know if you're just disingenuous or a complete retard on the chance that you are just a retard you should be aware of the following factors:>most victoria 2 acquisitions were not on steam, so steam playcounts are not an accurate metric of which is more played>victoria 2 finished active development more than a decade ago, while victoria 3 is still shitting out slop, so it's unfair to compare dead and new>there was a mass influx of casuals as paradox started dumbing down their games and making them more about memes than simulating history, with titles like eu4, ck3, and especially hoi4so in shortvictoria 2 was more popularand if it wasn't you can't prove thatand if you can then it's because of people i dislike so it doesn't countsorry bro, liqqy keeps the crown, maybe next year?
>>most victoria 2 acquisitions were not on steam, so steam playcounts are not an accurate metric of which is more playeddon't think there are thousands of people bothering with a physical copy of victoria 2
you can, and indeed could back in the jurassic period when victoria 2 was released, buy games on the internet and they send the files to your computer, it's really quite something
Yeah, the latter DLCs of Victoria 2 was released through steam. So the people who played victoria 2 beyond the bare basics got it sent to them via Steam.
>playing with yellow prussiaWhat were the Swedes thinking?
getting their comeuppance for this.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_War
>Yeah, the latter DLCs of Victoria 2 was released through steam. So the people who played victoria 2 beyond the bare basics got it sent to them via Steam.i really don't see what you're having so much difficulty understanding herevictoria 2 and all DLC were released on many online platforms, gamersgate, GOG, and yes, steamsteam's absolute monopoly on the notion of an online game store didn't exist in 2010NOW if you want a game you're almost certain to use steambut back then more people used other platforms, ergo the steam playercount isn't an accurate measure of the playcountthis is before we even add in things like piracy, which with a non-drm game means you would never even think about interacting with steamare you unironically a zoomer who has never known a world before steam
Victoria II: Heart of Darkness was only purchasable through steam, larper.
i KNOW that isnt the case because I bought it from gamersgatehttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/where-to-buy-victoria-ii-heart-of-darkness.682960/page-4#post-16696871
i don't like journal entry buttonsunless it's some basic stuff, requirements are often opaque i hate playing italy for this reason i fear that the new dlc might ruin russia for me
>>2496936The imperial fiat system can probably be ignored since the ones shown in the dev diary will probably be achieved by a russia player anyways. The revolution stuff will probably be the real pain in the ass
The real problem for the idea that victoria 2 is secretly popular is that you may at any hour find hundreds of seeders even for pirating the older versions of Vic3 but will struggle to find even one for vic2.
Wish they would rework infrastructure so you don't have to subsidize railways in states that would starve to death without them.
>>2497117t.
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/open-beta-update-4-is-now-live-not-for-problem-reports.1943145/>What is it: In wars lasting over 2 years, war goals that stay uncontested for 12 months are dropped. AI countries now capitulate when clearly defeated, and wars should no longer drag on forever at 0% war support.This sounds good. >What is it: Infamy was rebalanced: large, rich states and reunification wars cost less, claims and Psychology technologies reduce it further, and a new game rule scales it up or down.This too.
>>2497122Not to say anything regarding her policies but historically railroads were very profitable while in this game they just are not.
>>2497130No they weren't, almost everywhere the railroad boom created proprietary networks that were not interoperable and the companies collapsed on their debt obligations and got bought by the state which then ruthlessly standardized the tracks and locomotives and created time tables for departures and arrivals - for army mobilisation. Rail is the litmus test for ancaps and liberals, nearly all successful rail corporations are state owned.
>>2497127>We are planning a bonus dev diary sometime next week which will summarize all the important 1.14 changes as they will land in 1.15, and where we will also show off a feature that happened as a result of 1.14 experimentation but which also did not get done in time for the final open beta: Multiple world market hubs per market areaNice.
>>2497127This one is huge too:>What is it: Armies can be stationed in your subjects' states. Freeing or taking a subject mid-war no longer leaves its land occupied by allies or ends the war unexpectedlyI wonder if they fixed the navy prestige issue, right now prestige gets way overinflated by naval power and makes major powers cease to exist
>>2497156They did, it's under naval balance.>Naval Balance>What is it: Obsolete ships can no longer fully exploit unscreened fleets, torpedo craft now correctly punish early ironclads, and navy prestige is back in line with fleet strength.
>>2497141Bitch, even today freight rail is highly profitable. Do you think trains are magic that requires bootlicking in order to function?
>>2497127>promises of further trade and AI fixes for 1.15>split markets>all the content for Russia and Socialism this beta is probably the most stable version of the game we'll have for a while.
>>2497160Oh, excellent. I can continue my byzantium playthrough then>>2497167True. I don't expect submarkets to be too crazy (it mainly just changes where the trade centers operate at) but all that scripted content and econ changes are gonna be a mess to fix
Just a few more patches and we'll finally be at the state the game should have released at!
>>2497127Are they fixing the thing where armies get stuck somewhere and have to be dismissed or the issue where as Japan you can't raise conscripts because all your land counts as overseas?
>playing greece>serbia wins its independence>turns hostile for wanting VarnaSorry serbia but you are gonna have to die now.
>>2497274France just decided they want to conquer all of Greece so they might have made the AI a little bit too aggressive
>>2497117Turn off steel and wooden carriages.Now the train company is poorer but supports more infrastructure.>that's stupidIt really is, like a lot of fundamental mechanics the game started with.>>2497164... and that's how you make them profitable in game.
>>2497346That works but is a bandaid solution. The fundamental issue is that infrastructure and transportation are separate values, but only one of them has a price, creating a mismatch. I think it's just the developers' commie values showing through, as they think it's impossible for the private sector to build infrastructure.
>>2497362car consumption leads to increased infrastructure so I would say they simulate the private sector building infrastructure.
>>2497368Bro READ. Infrastructure =/= transportation. The two are related but only one is priced. Satisfying infrastructure needs is impossible without state intervention.
>>2497370Yeah and automobile consumption adds infrastructure to a state.
>>2497375So do railways. That means you don't need to subsidize them, right?
>>2497362>I think it's just the developers' commie values showing throughIt is.I can't remember if cars provided infrastructure on release. If you actually played long enough for everyone to get rich (this was back when wages increased with profits), cars would replace the generic transportation consumer good and your infrastructure would collapse, and I think trains were even less profitable at the time or at least redditors couldn't figure out why they weren't. You can replicate this on the current or a recent build if you play a very small nation and make everyone a CEO of an international company.I assume the point was to prevent players from spamming out factories back when you could just build like a commie dictatorship from day 1, but that has since changed and to be honest I don't think it ever mattered especially for how broken the game was on release that Jan Mayen could become the workshop of the world.I'd take infrastructure out of the game at this point or ask if it could be integrated into urbanisation, which is another confusing and sort of useless mechanic.
>>2497376 It means it is possible for private companies to build infrastructure.
>>2497379That's why you play your games without railway subsidies, rights?
>>2497127possible unfortunate side effect of uncontested war goals being dropped, spanish civil war ends in a white peace.
I'm not moving away from Legal Guardianship
The infamy rework means South American isn't free territory like before. It also makes the sovereign empire bloc even stronger, since it saves 50+ infamy for each subjugation instead of 12.
Is it just me or are the intelligentsia really toothless in general? Always gets outcompeted by the devout in my games.>>2496715The nihilism-journal used to be able to turn a sizable chunk of your country into atheist. There should probably be some modifier making the population move towards a certain percentage of atheists or at least some kind of non/independent denominational. to simulate pressure for increased religious liberty even in ethno-religion-states
Is it worth it going autocracy at the start as Greece just to tie up the bavarocracy journal?Don't see how I get elected bureaucrats or freedom of assembly till the king got one foot in the grave.
>>2496728>invite that agitator to assign leadership,>need to pay 15 dollars to do thismaybe I should just pirate the full game.
>>2497610Yes, you can pass national guard after to appease the liberal movement and get some extra conscripts for the ottoman war
>>2497610>>2497615also it's good for pissing the liberal and radical movements off to make it easier to pass better laws later.
>>2497612Bro, use creaminstaller.
>>2497612Should not be too hard to mod in your own abdicate button.
Thoughts on "Colonization Rights" charter?
>The state upholds equal citizenship rights for people of all cultural identities, and makes no attempt to officially uphold a certain culture over others. No cultures are discriminated against.wonder if they'll ever update this since some cultures do in fact get discriminated.
This game is in the best state it has ever been but it also got a bunch of glaring faults.Maybe i should take a break from it for a whole year and see what it is like then.
>>2497772Useless.
I hate how subsistence farms depress all consumer good prices because peasants don't consume shit. Oh you want to produce liqour or grain? Too bad, subsistence farms already got it covered. I wonder how they will release Russia dlc when 2 of the most important products of Russia sucks ass
>https://12axes.vercel.app/I am Brazilian now...
>>2498047>try it>Kingdom of HungaryI guess I have my next campaign now
>>2498047>are you pro-immigration or pro-immigration?Going by the blurb alone,>assimilation, strict language control, national identityLe Racist Nazi country is France, and we know how Aryan they are these days.>plurality of customs"If you believe in regional dialects (you're <1960s) and don't like that the literati have decided that word is spelled and spoken like this, and wish they'd leave you alone, you therefore wish for open borders to a beautiful Swahili-Hindi-Spanish technicolor dreamcoat."This is just a 2020s redditor's questionnaire.Post-feminist; questions are more interested in LGBT allyship than women's rights. Prostitution is sex work and a part of the legalise weed question.Almost all questions about militarism and internationalism are in the post-nation (I love the EU/UN/USSR/world government!) paradigm and the writer has a poor grasp of English, as vital means existential and is not good language to ask if you think you should go to war on pain of national suicide.There's a weird choice between heckin' science (polluting industrialist musk mars coloniser) and heckin' science (utopian cyborg elf greta climate scientist).I was matched with Poland, probably because, as an atheist, I practically said religion = culture = nation and have the counterculture marriage should only be for the religious belief, oh and my lack of allyship. My secondary match was Ukraine because I have strong democratic values that say western democracies aren't democratic enough... I'll let you realise the problem.My opposites were the same as yours, but at a 50% match. Redditors should stop being interested in failed states that have no measurable economic policy beyond "Kill people". Any serious quiz would either not include them or conclude a 0% match to their ideologies for any common belief today.
>>2498167>if you think you should go to war on pain of national suicide.By this I mean one question said should you be prepared to go to war for vital national interest... which would mean access to petrol, fertiliser, food, w a t e r, etc. No-one should say no. This is obviously not the intent of the question.
>>2498167>This is just a 2020s redditor's questionnaireyeah, most political "tests" are just people setting up their own questionaires with such a strong and obvious bias that it's just a "good" versus "bad" test. Some are even question i'd answer yes on if i didn't know what the author wanted to answer, for example the race quotas thing; they obviously mean DEI, but i want race quotas too, but for whites instead of shitskins.I don't hate them, but i wouldn't consider them anything more than political science toys to play with, much like most paradox games.
What do you do to keep things interesting?It's just been construction maxxing -> run out of workers -> run out of rare resources -> nobody wants to work. Every game I'm stuck on this loop
>>2498222I use cheats when I'm past 1936 to force coalition wars, mass conversion, law passing and other stuff. It involves a ton of tag-switching and constant crashes, but it's fun to pull something like France-UK-USA x Russia-Germany-Austria
>>2498222I got the germans addicted to opium and removed kebab from the balkans, constantinople was 75% Greek by the time I went multiculturalism and the entirety of the balkans is majority orthodox
>>2498019it's honestly funny how vic3 inhibits the mindset of 19th century capitalist in players
>>2498277i meant instills
Never played "Voice of the People"Being able to make agitators into leaders seem broken.
>>2498294it's powerful, but situational you need the movement with that agitator to be pressuring the IG enough to be able to swap the leader
>>2498294Lots of minor paradox dlcs are just about making the player pay 10-20 dollars for a legit way to cheat.
>>2498294Unless it's changed, you can still exile people to roll for opposing ideologies unrestricted by interest group (commie landowners, land reformist clergy).The Latinxian and the Italians creating the most agitators, because they have that many countries, is sort of dumb. I have never seen a non-primary culture agitator, outside of an event or historic spawn, either.
>>2498342That's been changed, IGs will only select ideologies from movements influencing them and exiling an IG leader just means one of the other politicians in that IG will take their place. The only way you get wacky ideologies is through events
>>2498373What about generals becoming IGs?
>>2498387That happens pretty often if you have successful wars, they also have the same ideology selection as their parent IG. I don't think agitator turned into generals can be politicians, however.
Well fuck, with the latest patch you can't enact Appointed Bureaucrats on day 1 as Japan any more.
>>2498478Yes you can. Wait a day and use the intelligentsia.
>>2498480
>>2498482Lower taxes, retard.
I have over 2000 hours in this game and most of it was spent playing Japan. I know everything about it.
What single state is your favorite state?
>>2498500kiev unironically
>>2498500It's only resources are Iron and lots of wood but I'm pretty fond of Skopia.
Let's negotiate to get some political support for a law!>30 % bureaucracy>Raise SOL from 8 to 13>Give half of all tax incomeOh fuck off already. Why are all options always absolutely terrible, is simply horrible or bad not good enough? The SOL one is literally impossible.
>>249855930% bureaucracy is pretty good early game when you barely got any to speak of. Build some more and tear them down as the modifier ticks down.
>>2498560>Build some more and tear them down as the modifier ticks down.Or just keep them since extra bureaucracy makes construction cheaper.
>>2498577don't think it's going to make up for the cost of hiring more people and paper.
>>2498579It will. Just put government salaries on the lowest option.
>Japan>Try to pass law>Sonno Joi chimping out with most of my army>Cancel law>Sabaku start chimping out with most of my armyWhy is my army schizophrenic?
>>2498559I have yet to see higher than 10 SoL
>>2498607For the mission? I've seen up to 15 lol.
>>2498559Promises are based on amenability, I've had the catholic church back something for as little as 9->10 SoL (which happened due to an event passing the law, easy win)
>>2498611No, period. I've never seen my SoL go to 11. I start with GPs and see it slowly go down to 8.x
>>2498621This is something new with the beta. I have no idea why it happens. Peasants get poorer for no apparent reason.
>>2498635NTA but per capita tax completely fucks over peasants in current beta, my SoL shot up from 9.0 to 12.0 when I swapped off it
Aside from an active diplomatic play involving either of us, what would stop me from annexing my crown land that is at 0 liberty desire?
>>2498650An obligation.
>>2498650Obligation, truce (if you downgraded them from a PU there's a short truce), I don't know if defensive coordination stops it but it might
>>2498653>>2498658No obligation, truce ran out, no defense coordination. Its telling me the target has to be a colony, puppet, or vassal.
I have installed a mod that increase subsistence farm capacity x5. And my current run is unusually relax. As UK, my loyalists reached millions even in 1860's, surpassing radicals. Never had radical issue. Even EIC was extremely stable. Normally it would burn with constant rebellions by now. Seems half of my issues with the game has been about not enough space in subsistence farms... Now if i could find a mod that both increase subsistence capacity and decrease subsistence production, i would be set. Grain prices are extremely depressed right now in my game.
>>2498650Retarded amounts of infamy>>2498661Oh, if I'm not mistaken you can only annex a crown land or personal union by doing a nation formation that shares their primary culture
>>2498676Nah, you can annex them normally quite fine. The guy is either doing something blatantly wrong or stumbled into a glitch.
>>2498663So instead of learning the game you're just gonna cheat to make it easier?
>>2498621
Anyone here who played some african (not boer or north african) countries?It sounds like a horrible experience but someone must have done it.
>>2498741I've played a Ethiopian minor and unified Ethiopia. It was an okay experience but things can easily go south>Egypt can get involved in your wars against the other Ethiopian minors, build up relations or wait for the Ottomans to attack them before declaring your war>after clearing up the somali nations, you'll only be able to expand through colonization for a long time until you can afford a navy >Great Britain *WILL* attack you so pray that they decide to just protectorate you instead of conquer all of your statesAfter that it's just taking advantage of Britain's large market and Colonial Offices to industrialize, colonize, build a navy and work on having your own puppets
>>2498559promises are there to be broken
>>2498679If i think some game mechanic or lack of it creates unnecessary tedium which i believe is not intentional, i will install mods to make it easier. I see no problem with it.Also i wasn't gloatposting or anything. I just wanted to draw attention about something about subsistence farms and agriculture in general are broken. If you play as UK, you will notice you will end up with an extremely huge number of unemployed radicals in India rebelling every 5 years and you have no way to fix this problem other than killing rebels. Qing for example is filled with unemployed pops because their sub.farms have no space to house their population. Something about this is not working properly.
>>2498813It's not broken, it's working as designed, even though it's arguably overtuned. It's to represent the historical fact that the intensification of commercial agriculture resulted in tenants being kicked off the land and forced to try to seek work in industrial cities. You're supposed to get unemployment, unemployment was a real thing. In fact, it's too easy to get rid of unemployment. I've played India and got rid of it before the 20th century.
>>2498794I just tried ethiopia and it was probably my worst experience so far.Just get to wait 30 years gor industry teach I can't use since east africa is void of iron, sulphur and coal.
>>2498858That isn't historical fact. That's commie fiction the devs bought into. The entire game suffers because of it.
>>2498858You are right about intensification of agriculture resulted in unemployment which drove people to cities. But here is the problem: Unemployment happens with the start of the game. I would have no issues if i got the unemployment after i built all the farms and plantations and implemented all sorts of labor saving pm's such as threahing machines or tractors but that's not the case. Countries have massive unemployment at the start of the game because people are overfilling from subsistence farms. Yes, you as the player can deal with the unemployment of your nation easily with rapid industrialisation but how about your puppets? You can solve unemployment of India playing as India with some good gameplay but how you gonna solve it while playing as UK? As imperialist nations, we are expected to focus industries in our heartland while making our colonies resource or agriculture focused. But India or China doesn't have enough resources to employ these excess people and building farms actually worsens the situation. All agricultural buildings (inclueing subsistence ones) should employ like 20-30k people AND THEN labor savings should free up (make people go unemployed) people much harder (like cutting 30k employment to 5-3k by the latest labor saving pm's.Also there's the issue of subsistence farms produce too much stuff. Peasants already consume like only %10 of their needs from market so there is no reason to have subsistence farms flood the market this much. Their output should be reduced so if we start to flood the cities with workers, we should worry about our food balance and pursue fertilizer upgrades or import grain. What do you think?
>>2498881It is Britain Please Save Me: The Game. I also forgot to mention that I unified Ethiopia having Oriental Orthodox as my state religion, I don't know if being Christian makes the European nations more likely to be friendly with you but it is a good bet.
Anybody know what's wrong with my fleet? I try to send troops over to another location, it leaves port and immediately returns.
>>2499109Is it on full manpower?
>>2499109screenshot?
>>2499109Fleets need a form of manpower supplied by naval administration to operate. Not many countries start the game with enough. Build more Naval Administration buildings and wait.
>>2499110>>2499112>>2499115Of course it's full manpower and there's nothing to screenshot. Anyway, fixed it by putthing the whole fleet into a new fleet.
How do I make the game tell me when a commander leaves a battalion/fleet?
>>2499164you can change the notification type of the "x has retired" from a toast to a popup message+pause but AFAIK you can't limit it to generals/admirals so it'll pop for any national figure
>>2488120If anyone makes a guide it should include how super vital state hospitals are and that religious hospitals are a trap.
>>2499353The real trap is landed voting if you're a monarchy, even without any boosts to landowner power they will have enough clout to be a nuisance and trying to go anything else will cause a revolution. Same goes for peasant proprietorship/homesteading with census suffrage, you'll be stuck with rural folk for the rest of your existence
>>2499354Early universal suffregate as any unciv will destroy you
>>2499354At least radicals and liberals may move you off landed voting and theress the 48's cheat evdnt to get census if you play in europe.It's all but impossible to get state hospitals from religious till you completely depeasant and empower workers.
>>2499353It bears pointing out that the big deal wiith public hospitals isn't the slight decrease in mortality but in polution impact.
>>2498858>It's to represent the historical fact that the intensification of commercial agriculture resulted in tenants being kicked off the land and forced to try to seek work in industrial cities.Shouldn't emigration be a big deal then? Like the whole idea that New Zealand was where all the Scottish tenants ran off to farm their own sheep with blackjack and hookers and how they were so much better at it than Scottish landowners that Britain started to import lamb after you could freeze it on ships, and everyone ignored that NZ had over twice the grassland as Scotland with a warmer climate and no-one to feed nor any factories to work in instead so always had surplus worthless agricultural goods?
What's the best way to do the "Mission to the West"? From trying out multiple times there seems to be no logit to this, somewhere between +5 % and +50 % research modidifer.
>>2499463No. Clearly unemployed peasants should stay in place and cause endless revolutions.
Reminder.If you're playing the beta and unless you've modded this you need to start as one of the spains and surrender before switching to the country you want to play as within two years or the war goal will tick out and spain will be broken for the rest of the game.
>>2499507Ok, with the single minded determination of an autist i ran this shit about 60 times and took notes. Just started the mission with and always picking the same option with the not so random events. The biggest issue i think is that Mexico owns California, so the mission visits Mexico instead of the US, this is fixable by cheating California into US hands or using a mod that fixes the mission itself, it's outdated but still works. Other than that i really don't see any logic to this, other than that Per Capita Taxation is incredibly rare to roll.
>>2499507Oh, you're talking about the Japan one. It's best to recall it immediately. That guarantees you get a modernizer. You miss out on tech spread but that's well-worth it.
>>2499639It has to do with the techs/laws that are randomly observed on the trips. There's no strategy to it. It's a shit JE.
They should add a history mode where assimilation and religius conversion is extremely slow outside of certain factors "LARP mode" where you can freely paint the culture and religion map.
>>2497772Genuinely worthless unless you're very specifically trying to colonize the Indies for rubber or hardwood with a rubber or hardwood company and have dogshit colony growth.
Didn't want those gay little Islands anyway.
>Station navy in Kyushu>Deliver some troops to Korea>Navy delivers troops to Korea>Navy suddenly embarks on a tour around the entire fucking world for no reason at all that i can discern???
>>2500278actually so annoying how you cant set states as home and the setting for the fleet to stay at target just straight doesnt work
Protip: if you care about trade, don't rival GB. If they embargo you'll never be able to export anything again.
Does Laissez-Faire privatize buildings owned by your overlord if you're a puppet?
>>2500392 No
The only reason to ever play any unciv besides Japan is to remember how good you have it when starting as civs.>t.did an Ethiopia and Persia run
>>2500411Egypt is a notable one, you'll get recognized from your independence war so it's a matter of building up for 5 years and then becoming a recognized country with shitty tech and literacy (but you have the suez, at least)
>>2500411As siam you start with a modernizer ruler and heir and in a pretty comfy position on the map.
>>2500411boers could be fun if they had any content
Are we ever getting lategame content? Or is PDX against it?
>>2500622We should be since the upcoming dlc will be about a revolution that happened at the end of the game.
>>2500622No. Late game is not fun and runs like ass.>>2500626It's commie content. The devs treat it as midgame, not lategame.
Do you use marines on their own or do you do the 50/50 composition with artillery like with normal armies?
>>2500694It's a 25% offense penalty on the artillery so shrapnel artillery is probably worth using but anything less isn't. Marines also have the benefit of being able to exist in a fleet already so if you're going for speed then it might be better to just have marines since that artillery army will be slow as shit
Why did Wiz the cuck make it so armies don't auto contest landings.
>>2500715They do if you reload the game. It's very glitchy.
>>2500675>No. Late game is not fun and runs like ass.Werks on my 64gb ram machine>It's commie content. The devs treat it as midgame, not lategame.isn't the Revolution:tm: a 1900s thing?
>>2500622>>2500626>>2500675>>2500831don't believe anything about something "not being in the timeframe" or not, they just wanna make content they like and agree with. Historically there were no marxist revolutions that succeeded anywhere at any time in the 19th century; the only exception being the paris commune was a one of because of the war and easily crushed. Even the bolshevik "revolution" (it was more of a coup) in 1917 by lenin was also very historically unlikely, russia would've much more probably simply become either some sort of weimar-lite republic or just developed into some form of autocracy.Even then, Capital was only released in the late 60's and if you wanna say that's relevant but not anything after since it's "too late in the game" would eliminate most if not nearly all anarchist content. If we all stop playing stupid we can clearly see that historical developments made many if not most of these historically relevant for the game either way and semantically arguing on technicalities and timeframes will only open up for contradictions and obvious preferential treatment. Please, can people stop pretending to not understand?One can't say that everything before 1900 and everyone to the right of Lenin was fascist, then turn around and say 'fascism did not exist and had absolutely zero historical development before the specific moment of the march on Rome when it simply materialized from thin air to function as the defenders of late stage capitalism thus being too late in the game to get content'.
>>2500842>>One can't say that everything before 1900 and everyone to the right of Lenin was fascistno one says this, right?>then turn around and say 'fascism did not exist and had absolutely zero historical development before the specific moment of the march on Rome when it simply materialized from thin air to function as the defenders of late stage capitalism thus being too late in the game to get content'.fascism grew out of a weird sect of patriotic socialists, and then evolved ideologically. i thought everyone knew that
>>2500861>no one says this, right?Just go on xitter and you'll find them. Some do it completely seriously with no irony nor any actual thought, the classical everything i don't like is literally Hitler; but there's also a lot of leftists, usually browns, who know exactly what they're saying and are simply going by the Alinsky playbook of lying and using underhanded tactics.The best and most perfect example i have of this is a "debate" between the distributist, some nrx guy, and some brown communist about if kirk was a fascist, where the sandnigger constantly just sat around playing word-games, pinning down on semantics, motte and baily-ing almost everything and constantly obfuscating and pretending not to understand (also a lot of actually just not understanding things and having no knowledge of actual history). I'd understand why you wouldn't watch it especially if you respect your own time, but it really is the absolutely best example of leftist dishonesty and snake-like sliminess i have seen to date. It's essentially an intellectual trying to have a good faith and honest discussion about what exactly america is, what it has been and what it will be and a sandnigger who just wants to pretend he doesn't want to kill him.https://youtu.be/2ULA7N5tX6w>>2500861>fascism grew out of a weird sect of patriotic socialists, and then evolved ideologically. i thought everyone knew thatEh, i get what you're saying, but I personally wouldn't say just fascism specifically did so, i'd say third positionism as an ideological group of leftist/corporatist economic policy with rightist cultural/national policies grew out of non-marxist socialism of the enlightenment secularism. Although any good faith view of National Socialism, Fascism, Integralism, Falangism, etc. will conclude with their similarities, they're still separate ideologies with their own developed histories. We also didn't see any 3P societies develope compared to western liberalism and eastern communist ones.
>>2500871>Just go on xitter and you'll find them. Damn.It's profoundly un-Marxist to claim "fascism was always with us". Fascism (by which I'm being a little sloppy and including basically all 3P ideologies in) evolved as a very particular coalition in opposition to communism; much like liberalism, it is a form capitalism takes under particular material conditions. In this case, fascism is, as both Trotsky (a communist) and Vonsiatsky (a fascist) as well as Mises (a libertarian) recognized: a temporary cross class coalition to stop communism. >Eh, i get what you're saying, but I personally wouldn't say just fascism specifically did so, i'd say third positionism as an ideological group of leftist/corporatist economic policy with rightist cultural/national policies grew out of non-marxist socialism of the enlightenment secularism. Although any good faith view of National Socialism, Fascism, Integralism, Falangism, etc. will conclude with their similarities, they're still separate ideologies with their own developed histories. We also didn't see any 3P societies develope compared to western liberalism and eastern communist ones.That's an interesting point, that it evolved from pre-Marxist utopian socialists. Hadn't considered that but I can see the similarities with Ricardo.It's also worth mentioning quite a few of the earliest fascists were not rightist culturally; look at Fiume and their gay sex, hard drugs, and piracy while also being fervent Italian nationalists who would beat the crap out of anyone who insulted Italy. Similarly, the Falangists held that all Spaniards, be they Castillian or Catalan or Basque, had a common destiny and future in a reborn Spanish superpower.
>>2500878Fiume was so weird it feels like it comes from a hoi4 mod, but no, it actually happened. They had anticolonial (proto)-fascism:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Fiume
>>2496936Italy? Italy barely has any journal entries.
why does attacking suck
>>2500842>Just go on xitter and you'll find themYou can't let people on xitter live rentfree in your head
>>2500926Your generals will always roll dogshit modifiers, your enemy will always get good modifiers, unless you have a 10:1 advantage your general will go full retard and have a panicked retreat when he's winning because the bar shifted over when the modifier reroll happenedAnd most importantly, your generals will attack the smallest infrastructure states first and ensure you start off horribly
>>2500940sadly they kinda do, but less so since i'm banned either way.I just wanna know, what exactly makes xitter retards so much more retarded and dishonest than any other online demographic i can think of? Plebbit leftists, for all their faults, are at least able to contend an argument or a point and structure their theories with some amount of actual sources or thought out logic; xitter retards will literally just niggerloop forever. They're also a thousand times more smug and confidently wrong about everything i can't stand them.What is it that makes them this insufferable? Are they just genetically predisposed to acting like that? do they have absolutely nothing else going on for in their life than sitting on xitter dishonestly, not even really rage baiting as they're terrible at it since i know what they say is genuine, arguing all day? It's not even really arguing since every time i've actually gone more deeply into a subject or anything at all they just disappear to posting and replying to goyish party politics again and how "le dumb and le closed minded" their chosen adversary is.I know i'm a goyish subhuman for letting these "people" occupy even parts of my mind, but i just can't mentally fathom such a pitiful and slavish existence. Especially the older they get, some incel or femcel in their teens or early twenties wasting time online is one thing, grown up millenials and fucking gen-x'ers wasting time to act like a teenage girl on the internet is just something i can not understand. Nigger, you're supposed to have a wife/husband and two kids to drop off at kindergarten, why are you angrily retweeting about ukraine or fascism when you can't even define what a ukrainian or fascist is? When you can't even name a single theorist, ideologue, political work Also, why are so many gen-x'ers especially like this? What specifically is it that makes them seemingly extra retarded? Even trannies have more worthy lives and positive impacts for society.
>>2500907i hate unification
>subject with high Liberty Desire can now attack its overlord in the middle of a conflict where said subject is not a target of the enemy war goals. Doing so will automatically pull it out of all the overlord’s plays/wars and start its own play for independence or autonomy. This option is available to both player and AI subjects, and AI subjects will use it when they see an opportunity for victory.>When an overlord faces a revolution, its subjects no longer automatically side with the government, but can choose to side with the rebels if they feel it’s in their interest to do so. Autonomous subjects can even sit out the civil war entirelynice.
>>2500971ok pope
>>2501015new wargoals mid war when
>>2500971>t.
For the sake of balance, Landowners should probably not get "modernizers" as leaders outside of extraordinary occurrences.
>>2501063Why? Are modernizers too good?
>>2501067They're great. Lets you get all the "fuck landowner" laws (peasant proprietorship if you want to nuke them) and pro-economic growth laws early in the game.While aristocrats would at times accept losing powers for the good of the realm I think it should depend on more than monthly RNG or getting a landowner modernizer agitator.
>>2501074>>2501067Like there's a "Minoritarian Traditionalist", where religious minorities ask for religious freedom but are otherwise normal traditionalist, there should be something for landowner modernizers.
How do i finish this when no interest group supports the government form they're all super comfortable with?
>>2501111You don't. It's not worth it.
>>2501131epic answer bro
>>2501152That is the answer. You can't pass that JE without a Positivist leader, which is near impossible to get. The reward isn't worth it, either.
Jesus Christ how horrifying!
>>2501177i still don't know whether tolls are good if the trade toward you if passing through it
>>2501180I suppose they're a universal income and export tariff in that case. So you're getting money but you're fucking your industries.
>>2501111The seems a bit cart before the horse.Why do you need a positivist if you're already a technocracy?Why would a technocracy have public schools or a command economy?>look it up via the journalism entry's quote>californians being autistic>founder wasn't even an engineer (that'd be like german communists being landowners or capitalists, ludicrous and would never happen)>shitty symbol>"It'd be efficient for everyone to drive monochrome cars and wear monochrome suits, all made to one design in the same factory">"Trust the science!" (is not a scientist)Well at least now I know why it has that one disgusting flag in the game. And it's legally distinct because the party that uses that flag still exists... actually I'm not sure if it is legally distinct, it's the exact same thing but slightly changed.Also I'm now questioning the dictatorship flag of the US because the eagle isn't facing the arrows, which I would have thought would be on brand for Paradox to do, at least if the military is in government, since they do that with Japan... whose fascist flag I'd have to be told why it's not just the standard flag given historical precedent and that the army flag has been designated only for a military dictatorship.>>2501180You get to double dip on taxes and might be able to drop your tax law down a peg? I dunno. There are a lot of things to consider about taking money out of your international economy.
>>2501067Well it only spawns for loser countries, should be called "Westerniser", and should probably not be a post-1950s spread of law choices... and because I've never played an unciv I wouldn't know if the movement lets every interest group be a westerniser, but that sounds cheaty to me, if it doesn't fuck over your economy first skipping from serfdom to commercial agri.I'm almost surprised it doesn't let you cheat in full communism.If the game supported it I'd say it should weight law choices by what the top 10 economies adopted, with your coloniser (if any) having a greater influence. But only the intelligentsia, petite bourgeoisie and perhaps one other group could have this ideology.
>>2501270Modernizer can generate in any IG, but it's more common in PB. See pic related.
feels like its very hard to depopulate enemies through war they just teleport in infinite men to die
interesting so you cant really gut france and russia for free anymore
Conspiracy theory: Uncotested Wargoals vanishing after 2 years was put into the beta to force people to switch over once 1.6 is released.
New dev diary up, DLC delayed a couple weeks to Nov 5 for polishing. Notable things are the ukrainian and belarusian independence movements, congress poland, and a slight rework to the great gamehttps://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-192-not-yet-lost.1944771/>>2501282The stalled wargoals system definitely makes genocide harder, can't conquer everything but the capital and sit any longer
>>2501383>entire diary is about eastern european and central asian content
Australia, my beloved.Doing nothing but encouraging immigration the whole game...
Playing as subjects is so goddamn bad. I tried doing a peaceful game as Hudson's Bay Company until the USA randomly became expansionist and decided it wanted to conquer all of Canada. Run ruined. >>2501360Without vanishing wargoals playing as Canada will become even more miserable, since being stuck in eternal wars prevents you from clicking the unification button.
How do I keep the SoL low?My breeders have already gotten out of containment, and have enough income to fuck me moreTaxes are pennies and I can't forbid their groceries with onions sauce 'cause I depend on those companies for growth
>62000 bantus living on crete for some reasonbelievable worlds
>>2501532https://www.academia.edu/2948682/_Slaves_and_Freedmen_in_17th_and_Early_18th_Century_Ottoman_Crete_
>>2501526SOL 10-15 is ideal. You're fine.
>>2501532
>>2501526putin speechbubble
>>2501538not if you stack the modifiers, I got 20% birth rate and -30% mortality, which can grow to -45%I already lose like 0.15% on them being SoL 11 instead of 10 and will loose more with each next step
>>2501536paradox made that up
>>2501536https://www.academia.edu/39875622/Michael_Ferguson_Enslaved_and_Emancipated_Africans_on_Crete_in_Walz_and_Cuno_>"Evidence suggests 2,000 African slaves resided in Crete around 1840, primarily as domestic servants."
At least I can turn those negroes into good, white christian greeks, unlike the turks who got homelands everywhere.
>>2501586>unlike the turks who got homelands everywhere.Nothing a couple decades of promote national values won't fix. The percentage would be even higher if I didn't go multicult to absorb egypt and arabia
>>2501532ottomans settle bosnia with bantus every game
>>2501539What mod?
>>2501643This onehttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3531000118
>>2501647Need more unabashed blobber mods.
Protip: USA *really* values Texas. If you get them to conquer Mexican Texas + New Mexico for you, you can trade them for New York.
>>2501687What country were you playing?
>>2501700Canada.
>>2501272Yes but that's for agitators because all spawns are now derived from movements, no?
>>2501532>>2501624>before hitting play>no africans and asians>after hitting play>africans and asians everywhere in europe, the middle east and more in the new world than ever before>you cannot replicate liberia or other specific ethnic migrations such as indians colonising the indian ocean or moving to africa, both underneath a european banner
>>2501532>>2501624>>2501771Yes, as discussed in this and all previous threads, that is the goal of the game; to settle europe with the third world.The whole point and end of the game is to promote neoliberal migration.
>>2501776I thought it was communism?
The guy ranting about neoliberalism at every opportunity gets jarring after a while.
>>2501687>>2501700>>2501709Wait, really?
>>2501802Land trade treaties are also bugged. If you sell two-for-one like this, the second state doesn't transfer. After signing pic related you don't actually lose Texas.
>>2501792not really, no; or at least not what you think of communism, that of old communism.In short, western leftists abandoned the class war for third worldist race wars. Their goal has switched from orthodox marxism-leninism to identity-communism or race-communism. The point being that it is much more important to kill off the white european than to achieve any progress or victory for the proletariat classes.Why and how that is has been thoroughly discussed in earlier threads and on pol for years, so i'll spare people the rant here.
>>2501811>so i'll spare people the rant here.thank you
>has been thoroughly discussed on pollast time I checked that board they were all in agreement on Trump being a peace president.
>>2501806kek
>>2501771How fucking xitter poisoned do you need to be to think this isn't slavery being the same shitty system it has been since game start instead of Wizigger making some obscure point about how the ideal immigration policy is endless importing of slaves.
It's funny how "complete separation" is completely useless since the 15 tolerance bonus won't actually push anyone into a higher tier.
>>2501792noit's authoritarian neolilberalismthe meta is a multicultural open borders but capitalist or social-democratic without the democracy realm
>>2501837much like irl, they want universal suffrage, as long as the wrong party doesn't get elected.That's the greatest thing about democracy isn't it? You only have to make the bread, the clowns for the circus are all in parliament.
Is the Great Wave still turbo dogshit?How is State and Revolutions looking to be? Good?
>>2502000paradox don't include important stuff in dlcs anymore, mechanical changes are always included in free patches great wave is just ship designer and japan stuff state and revolution is going to be even more minor, it's explicitly a flavor pack, nothing but russia content
>>2502002But I saw the reviews for Great Wave are all negative, and that it's still fucking the game up.
>>2502005it's just overpriced also there are some mouthbreathers whining about navy rework which was part of the free patch and it's also good
>>2502000>>2502002They also put "cheat" mechanics in dlc. Companies are free, giving them charters requires the dlcs.Agiators is in the base game, making leaders requires the dlc.
How much do you care about movement supporters?Like building armies in highly urbanized areas to boost high lit movements.
>>2502089I never thought about doing that...
>>2502089Waste of time. The only professions you have control over are soldiers and admins, and they both remain weak no matter what you do.
>>2502102movements get 0.33% for every 1% of military your personel that support them.It's not amazing but probably better to put your armies and naval offices in highly urbanized, highly literate provinces if you want to boost liberal movement, or in rural provinces if you want absolutist.
let's kill rebels
>>2489398>Private school is so weak it's barely different from no schools (maxed out it gives you 40% literacy).If you suppose that low class SOI is 20 (which is likely when you manage to pass mandoatory school) maxef out private and techs will give you 90 literacy.
Is East India Company supposed to go bankrupt?
>>2502114Wouldn't literacy be more dependent on the education access of the soldier (wages, incorporated + school institution) than the education of everyone else in the province?How many soldiers/officers support non-army movements?
>>2502257If you are a small country like Greece or Sweden you may stack all your army regiments in one province and use the social mobility decree. If all the other conditions hold true, like high urban, high literate, high radical they will flock to radical movementAlso why building regiments in opressed culture land can be bad.
What are some non-optimal things you do for larp reasons?I've never enacted multiculturalism even when I get groups for it and half my country are 3rd tier paps. Just doesn't feel rights.Never do "Guaranteed Liberties" because it's such flagrant fantast.
>>2502397guaranteed liberties is shit thosecret police is op
>>2497127>>What is it: In wars lasting over 2 years, war goals that stay uncontested for 12 months are dropped.źzzzzzz
How good is beta?
>>2502589Pretty good but wars ticking out screws a bunch of things up.
Why is it that a party gets a majority of votes in an election but they don't win?
>>2502589Good. Main issue currently is that wargoals are enforced/dropped too quickly, for example, the Carlist War never ends if both Spains are played by the AI.
>>2502646Think it's pretty hard to end if one of them are played by a human, no?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w0_AawvU-Q
he got a point.
>>2502993No he doesn't. I'm currently getting back into Imperator Rome, it doesn't even return back to the last menu when you click the back button on your mouse, it's extremely clunky to use. He's just too coddled and complains about stuff that in other games would get you banned from the forum for mentioning because it's nothign but trolling.
let's kill bantus
i dont think this cookie clicker game is for me
>>2503264We will do far worse.We will ship them to turkey.
>>2503264>>2503431actually vibecoded a simply deportation mod, could alter it to have it so everyone who gets deported get sent to turkey or something.
soon
>>2503445I also like playing with my little figures in the cookie clicker game while mom makes nuggies for me.
Does anyone know why the orthodox are the only devout who hate democracy?The catholic church doesn't and the muzzies does for some reason despite their book ordaining theocracy.So why only the orthodox?t.getting fucked over due to this
>>2503591its supposed to represent the russian orthodox church' subordination to the czar where western churches would be more independent with their own interests instead of being a direct tool of autocratic monarchsor i assume thats the reason
>Geledi and Witu, though sharing a land border with no land marked impassable, asks for a naval transport when clicking the land invasion iconThis game is full of these little things that make me end a session.
>>2503608doesnt it always ask but if you can do a land invasion it lets you proceed without selecting a navy
>>2503606Which I understand, for Russia, but it's also true for other orthodox countries like Greece, Bulgaria and Romania who all became democratic countries within the time frame of the game.
>>2503591Russian Orthodox is uniquely bad to make playing them harder. It doesn't work. Russia is still OP.
>>2503617But it's true for all orthodox countries...>Russia is still OPUnless the next Russia DLC does some heinous shit that's probably unlikely to change.I did play Russia back in vicky2 and even while being terrible at it it was very easy to turn them rich.Just not that easy to make a country hard when it's full of money-printing machines.
>>2503611Normally yes, but when I select my battalion and click the land invasion icon like usual, I get the popup asking me what fleet I'll use to move them.
>>2503631yeah? and then you just click okay without picking one
>>2503635It's greyed out and unclickable
>>2503639Have you tried reloading the game?
are they adding return state war goal any time soon? it's annoying that you can't dismantle ottomans using greece, that's like the entire point of it
>>2503725maybe >>2503436 can slop something
So apparently 75% of the achievements just vanished on steam
>>2503769yeah, it's a bug; pdx dev on preddit said they're on it.>>2503725>>2503727shouldn't be too hard, if you just want a return states based on homeland instead of claim, i think you'd only have to make it so wargoal is available when state is homeland of ROOT culture or something like that.
>>2504040>>2504040
