You're here forever.https://www.youtube.com/@ThomasLands - Videos of nearly finished builds scrapped by nudevs.https://files.catbox.moe/6kc2dc.png - German space plans.https://files.catbox.moe/4p0tpa.pdf - Goering design doc.https://files.catbox.moe/pwkheh.png - Updated German rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/80z6tb.png - Bormann TNO2 flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/9ja39g.png - Himmler starting tree, releasing never.https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/3bwv2e.pdf - Japan rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/chzsvc.pdf - Japan Funada Design Doc.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Gorky gets nuked now.https://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdf - France proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/7vqarx.png - France flowchart. Resistance is dead.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden rework proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/u6ehum.jpg - Sweden flowchart. Updated 26.https://files.catbox.moe/7nxnlv.png - Finland re-re-rework.https://files.catbox.moe/z7t903.png - Norway rework.https://files.catbox.moe/cub16l.jpg - Denmark rework.https://files.catbox.moe/egf8m0.pdf - Charlemagne Insurrection proposal. Cut.https://files.catbox.moe/2k4kcw.png - Bichelonne flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: A dev is made to justify why his own proposal got cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov facelift/partial Komi rework doc.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Three years in dev hell.https://files.catbox.moe/vdpi8k.pdf - Old Red Italy proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th space race mech rework.https://files.catbox.moe/nl2c1d.png - Moscowien rework #14.https://files.catbox.moe/n6diob.png - Ukraine rework/expansion.https://files.catbox.moe/9zek9b.jpg - Pre-purge Italy rework, now cut.https://files.catbox.moe/zls2jx.png - NuItaly flowchart.
Reheated leftovers, someone bumped the entire board.https://files.catbox.moe/dn6eha.png - UK re-rework chart.https://files.catbox.moe/xkpm9x.png - US rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/a03s7a.png - US 68 conventions.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Nixon tree.https://files.catbox.moe/zvb7en.png - Hall trap tree.https://files.catbox.moe/xj8yym.png - RFK tree.https://files.catbox.moe/mm5f00.png - Connally tree. Full of seething.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - Hawaii crisis.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/sl8afo.jpeg - Wallace tree.https://files.catbox.moe/r8c6i3.jpg - Goldwater tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - Schlafly path.https://files.catbox.moe/no1w90.png - Schlafly update.https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/uvnwek.png - Ford.https://files.catbox.moe/cc2mf7.png - Rockefeller.https://files.catbox.moe/sps1he.png - Burton.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP 2024 partial rework.https://files.catbox.moe/9i9y7d.png - VP 2025 events.https://files.catbox.moe/h1e8ew.png - Humphrey in the US rework.https://files.catbox.moe/fwgmje.jpg - Reagan tree, updated 26.https://files.catbox.moe/8edmqf.png - Reagan Mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/egyad1.pdf - McGovern campaign document.https://files.catbox.moe/jbimjj.png - Old jfk flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/r7l32u.png - Stevenson focus tree.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - Colombian soccer mechanics (200p).https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution.https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.https://files.catbox.moe/dyqxez.png - Cuba flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/98hixl.png https://files.catbox.moe/p9kvqs.png - Space reworks #98.
They're running out of things to leak.https://files.catbox.moe/om9lio.png - DV Rhodesiahttps://files.catbox.moe/0w30la.png - DV East Africahttps://files.catbox.moe/li547o.png - DV Congohttps://files.catbox.moe/4fxdxv.png - DV Ugandahttps://files.catbox.moe/nnubho.png - DV Kenyahttps://files.catbox.moe/66gs4a.png - DV Zanzibarhttps://files.catbox.moe/n7zxyc.png - DV Liberiahttps://files.catbox.moe/xhhu3n.png - DV South Africahttps://files.catbox.moe/uv7i9f.png - DV Niger.https://files.catbox.moe/zzb68p.png - DV Togo.https://files.catbox.moe/ye9081.png - DV Madagascar.https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2https://files.catbox.moe/gj8y34.png - Manchuria flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegriahttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatiahttps://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.https://files.catbox.moe/tzqmdt.png - Guyana flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/knh9ax.png - Tanganyka flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/pqyhzn.png - Romania re-rework flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/qsd9cg.png - Germany just nukes Russia in 1963 now, RIP.https://files.catbox.moe/qdwxfw.jpg - Turkey tree leak #1https://files.catbox.moe/0kckpi.jpg - #2https://files.catbox.moe/tdgpxb.png - Iran rework.https://files.catbox.moe/3xbwe8.png - Alegriahttps://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatiahttps://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Montenegro.https://files.catbox.moe/wygn37.png - Zollverein mechanic.https://files.catbox.moe/ugfhjb.png - Belarus/Ostland gutting.https://files.catbox.moe/q3e70r.pdf - The Not-So-Red Army: the Ural Military District in Sverdlovsk
He who reworks the past, erases his future.He who preserves the past, conquers the future.>LEAKED BUILDSDon't let them erase history. Don't let them lie to you that this never existed.2018: https://mega.nz/file/nRhmFShK#rjgJXFH5fh7Y9tfIxtH47YuuOOeJhylhrcJfujCdgcg2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/2023:https://mega.nz/file/kRVSgLRI#-AnpMaq-ymIaLuOdBE_yi0mAf06uP6y3mxuJgEbZlbE - Hotline ManchukuoIllusions End, Penelopes Web, old Germany Branch & Shifting Tides builds taken down by TNO devs.2025:Old US rework branch & Turkey branch taken down by report-spamming TNO jannies.2026:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JVxm06fw9x0SHcZz6S0arXD4FQ7n-Ael?usp=drive_link - Yippie leakhttps://www.reddit.com/r/NPPfunny/s/aEQA5WYWvq - Leak source, more charts & Mango facts.KF's investigation into the leaks has highlights and additional builds on pages 910, 918 and 920 of the TNO thread, which I cannot link here.>LEAK PACKShttps://mega.nz/folder/A0oVEa5T#4veC7I5QIlLFpBjCGsmHtQ - Assorted TNO documents, old and new-ish.>DEV ROUNDTABLES/MISCPlease leak more of these.https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December 24 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/6y2nc6.pdf - August 25 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/zo5zhk.pdf - Post-Antarctica 25 RT.https://files.catbox.moe/gilnye.pdf - 25/11/23https://files.catbox.moe/tqxb8j.pdf - 25/12/14https://files.catbox.moe/2hva9t.pdf - 25/12/28https://files.catbox.moe/zppx1f.pdf - Internal Q&A Q1 26.https://files.catbox.moe/lz8pzj.pdf - 26/02/15https://files.catbox.moe/5djcrc.pdf - 26/05/17https://files.catbox.moe/7tvubl.pdf - 28/06/26Stop replying to TNO jannies.Always remember to exercise caution when opening files posted by strangers in the threads.
Someone bumped the entire board and I didn't have time to sort these out.https://files.catbox.moe/kfx2w6.pdf The Ordaz Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/quc10b.pdf The Condor Legion and an Interconnected LatAm Fascismhttps://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf Richard Milhous Nixon biohttps://files.catbox.moe/ijvwph.pdf Lacerda Design Documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf New Granada Lore Compendium (oudated)https://files.catbox.moe/m2crh0.pdf The South American Cold Warhttps://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf The Sam Yorty Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/ujfmy7.pdf The Brazilian Revolution Proposalhttps://files.catbox.moe/khieme.pdf The Uruchurtu Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/b3cy0h.pdf The Mena Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/mlr3om.pdf THE PARTITO POPOLARE OF DONAT-CATTINhttps://files.catbox.moe/7202on.pdf PARTITO SOCIALISTA DEI LAVORATORI ITALIANIhttps://files.catbox.moe/jbwej8.pdf THE ITALIAN REPUBLICAN PARTYhttps://files.catbox.moe/3s1a77.pdf The Quadros Development Documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf Serov Facelift Ideas v0.1https://files.catbox.moe/3mz6de.pdf Sam Yorty Backgroundhttps://files.catbox.moe/4xh95f.pdf The Salinas Lozano Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/jyxbl1.pdf Partito Socialista Italiano - PSIhttps://files.catbox.moe/svv41x.pdf The Madrazo Presidencyhttps://files.catbox.moe/7ltzrg.pdf Poland Redesign Document (dead)https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf The Iberian Warshttps://files.catbox.moe/e2dc5r.pdf FASCIST ITALY DESIGN DOC (outdated t. italy dev)https://files.catbox.moe/kmjoww.pdf USA REWORK doc half outdatedhttps://files.catbox.moe/ce5ix5.pdf BURYATIA | PROPOSAL oldhttps://files.catbox.moe/beh76f.pdf FRENCH STATE PROPOSAL slighlty outdatedhttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf Constitution of the Germanic Reichhttps://files.catbox.moe/yiufrj.pdf Foreign Policy Doc Yippiehttps://files.catbox.moe/pnxauw.png Rhodesia
>Almost nothing happened over the past few weeks.>Germany's space content flowchart leaked.>More US rework focus tree plans leaked.>Gus Hall's route confirmed to just be a trap route full of unavoidable fail states.>Order of St. George will get reworked again, Father Men being moved there.>Leaker confirms that they've made zero progress on OSG in three years before the latest rework.>OSG being moved to Perm, anons speculate that AB will get cut or skeletonized in the process.>Tons of African content leaked too because the devs hate each other.>Sweden can just invade random African countries and liberate them from white supremacy...?>TNO dev joins the thread to confirm that Germany is OK with Sweden bombing Pakt forces because they also hate Russia.>Anons confirm that TNO will never be as good as Suzerain.>I'll stop doing a news segment if things remain this dead.
>>2487201AB is being moved to where the osg used to be btw
>>2487208Yeah I have no clue how the new russian warlord map is supposed to look like
>>2487219West Russia Anti communist confederation in the north where wrrf used to be.Wrrf is now located in vyatka.Vyatka and komi are between wrrf and Acc.OSG and aryan brotherhood swap placesWest Siberia No changes.Central siberia Basically no real changes, Tanna Tuva is now part of a Mongolian partisan tag. Far east Sablin revolt is no longer and a tag and sakha is now a ssr. Two possible meanings the first is Sablin is gone, the second is the revolt tag spawns later in 62 or 63. That small part of Manchuria that Japan transfers to Amur is now owned by Amur at game start.
>>2487201>Sweden can just invade random African countries and liberate them from white supremacy...?>TNO dev joins the thread to confirm that Germany is OK with Sweden bombing Pakt forces because they also hate RussiaThe Sweden wank goes far greater than that. Over the course of tno Sweden.>leaks the holocaust >develops a nuclear program>funds communist partisans in Bornholm >funds anti German resistance in Norway >harbors all sorts of anti pakt dissidents >funds national liberation movements in Africa >attempts to sway Finland away from Germany.All of this and yet the most Germany can do against them is killing the Jewish pm if he’s elected
>>2487220The newest tno world map is on file 113 https://mega.nz/folder/RggByKyA#SqQ1hHhvyN7r2Q9yzHVALA>>2487222You forgot they fund the pan Africanist in Ghana
>>2487222I think I said this earlier, but sweden is basically iran multiplied by 50 in the tno timeline If anything the swedes should be submissive little bitches when it comes to anything europe related (minus finland obviously) but supply small arms here and there along with massive aid programs to the third world. That way they aren’t a direct threat to european peace so at the pakt can at least negotiate with the swedes But sweden is so openly belligerent and hostile to the pakt that germany should be bombing stockholm the second they start doing this sort of shit in her front yard. Harboring jews is one thing, (fascist italy does that in the tno timeline btw, yet another mussolini W) but actively promoting terrorist groups in norway and denmark along with harboring members of the french resistance and left resistance members from HMMLR is fucking insane To put it into perspective, this is like mexico harboring al-Qaeda, Osama bin laden, several members of the taliban, the unibomber, and the oklahoma city bomber yet proclaiming that they hold no hostile feelings towards america because they tacitly support US intervention in the caribbean Like wtf?
>>2487201>>OSG being moved to Perm, anons speculate that AB will get cut or skeletonized in the process.Who are the OSG?
>>2487226Order of saint george, Basically a bunch of orthobros
>>2487228Oh rightI don't regular these threads so I hadn't heard the abbreviation beforeThey always felt like the biggest missed opportunity of the warlords with them not having content.I'm fine with the idea of them and the AB switching places. The Aryan Brotherhood are such a bizarre unifier, that they make a bit more sense as a weird group of freaks in the mountains rather than them randomly controlling one of the bigger cities left in Russia.I have no idea why they are fucking around with the rest of that shit. Like Who wants a new "anti communist coalition" unifier in the west? That's basically just Samara.
>>2487201>OSG being moved to Perm, anons speculate that AB will get cut or skeletonized in the process.bullshit; devs already said this a long time ago. AB is just being moved to Gayny
>>2487229I honestly think that they got the colors all fucked up for the west russia map. It just makes less sense the more you look at it
The thing with Sweden is that, no matter how much aid the give to Africa, they give far more to the Pakt. The Finland war literally has Sweden compete with Germany over who can give more aid against the Russians.
>>2487241Yeah, they do that so germany doesn’t have any sway over Finnish politics. It’s explicitly about pushing the pakt away. Here’s a list of all the shit that sweden can do or actively does in tno that germany does nothing about: Actively funds milorg which blows up roads and kills norwegian politicians Gives refuge to danish communist terrorists Harbors members of the french resistance (which is basically an arm of the CIA due to the free french) Harbors members of the british left resistance who also go on frequent bombing campaigns in british urban areasAllows the smuggling of banned goods into germany such as pornography and american music Fund and actively arm guerrillas that kill pakt allies and possibly german soldiers Funding romanians in the Transylvania war against Hungary, a german ally But don’t worry, they help out in pakistan and finland! Even though germany can and would provide most of the aid along with having several allies like norway and iran providing similar amounts of aid. Despite doing a bunch of shit to actively undermine german sovereignty, germania is totally cool with it because the swedes (nominally) denounce japanese and american imperialism. So all the bullshit stockholm throws is totally worth it guys!
>>2487251Ok Cuba did shit like this too
https://mega.nz/folder/Bc8iTIoD#38Lb9bI5iLrEoZ53aoDfbQcouldn't post this before the bake sorry but this is my collection of the 2023 builds (IE, PW, ST, etc) and some 2025 ones (turkey, very unfinished yippie, bormann) and even older ones
>>2487225Don't forget: Mexico in this reality would also have nukes pointed at major American cities and the means to flatten DC but America would do nothing and accept that the Zapataist regime that harbors people that murdered US troops left and right.We're then being told by the dev that Nazi Germany's a highly rational pragmatist that doesn't care because it "sees the big picture in the east" or some shit. Same Germany that flings nukes at minor Russian warlords for getting a bit uppity, by the way.>>2487229>>2487233None of this is happening. It's been 4 years and Amur is still in dev hell. Them reviving their old plans might as well be a proclamation by Mango that he's now the leader of China in terms of how much weight it holds.>>2487241>>2487257Why can't you just admit that this is the Dev's retarded political power fantasy where his country owns both the hecking Nazi chuds and the hecking RuZZian chuds and somehow has resources to compete with multiple world powers?
>>2487307Mexico doesn’t have nukes, it was Mateos’ goal to have no nukes in LATAM.
>>2487251I honestly wish that Sweden had a skeleton closer to Finland, where they still have a strong welfare state but are overall more conservative and have multiple fascist paths.
>>2487409They're talking about a hypothetical and comparing it to how absurd a situation in TNO is. It has nothing to do with Mexico in-game or even a real life Mexico. Read the post that ayrt replied to.
>>2487424Oops
>>2487251>Sweden fights nazism harder than the OFN do in this timelineBravo Katernya! Such brave and bold realistic realism! Bravo!
>>2487257Cuba wasn’t surrounded by the united states by two seas and wasn’t a us trading partner Moreover the US tried to invade cuba whereas germany is so limp wristed and gimped that they only threaten sanctions. Oh and sweden can somehow leave the eec and become a us leaning neutral bug germany doesn’t blockade the despite controlling their access to the sea
>>2487482They also tried to kill Castro a billion times and are bitterly trying to topple their government to this day. You also have direct land routes to the country via Norway and Finland, both Pakt allies that are harmed because Sweden's war against Germany drains resources from the alliance and would surely be willing to help out Germay. Just like with the Iran analogy this one makes no sense. It's like the dev has no idea what these countries are if he uses them as a defense.
On the topic of leftist power fantasies they also abolish the monarchy because they hate Germany so much that just the rumor of someone being pro-German is enough to kill a centuries old institution. No questions asked or consequences felt and Germany doesn't mind these people pointing nukes at Germania while funding black supremacist movements in Pakt territories.
Sweden loves the BBC.Sweden fights for the BBC.Swedish men will shed blood to save the BBC.
>>2487521It’s actually pretty cool. It’s just a shame it’s the only cool thing Sweden gets to do.
>>2487552Abolishing the monarchy could be fine if handled better. It's more that the context makes no sense and is just more senseless anti-German hostility. At this point the country attacks Germany more and more successfully than any of the anti-German revolters. It's ludicrous that they fight Germany harder than America and never get punished for it.
>>2487521Moreover the king looses influence in every single path so sweden can never peacefully coexist with germany It doesn’t have to be like otl, the king can put his foot down
>>2487561The public also wanted him to keep his powers too, I don’t know swedish law but couldn’t the king arrest the republicans threatening to abolish the monarchy on charges of treason? Moreover the germans would 100 percent back this move since the new monarch is pro german. It would also give them some credibility with the swedish right quite literally a win win
>>2487568I don't think he is pro-German since they weren't otl. The text box even acknowledges this and just calls it a rumor. So either it's an over reaction over nothing in-universe or Kateryna retconned them to be Nazis... While aligning with the Norwegian resistance irl which makes no sense so I don't even think that's what they were going for. If making everything like otl is a big deal for the team that one seems like an odd place to rewrite history.
>>2487579It’s a different king, it’s Prince Gustaf Adolf, Duke of Västerbotten, who died in a 1946 plane crash He had some rumors about pro german sympathies
>>2487553Ffs, they even support decolonization in east africa more than the US does. The US actually ASSISTS the brit’s whereas sweden actively sends material support to tanganyika Any reasonable germany would kick sweden out of the EEC and implement a blockade of all goods flowing into the country until they submit and stop funding terrorists. The germans have russian iron anyway, the swedes need the germans more than the germans need sweden
>>2487585>Google him>It's literally just rumors because he was in the same room as Hitler and because he had a relative who was a Nazi>Diplomats, the royals, Goering's stepson, politicians and every single relevant person that's commented about it says it's complete fictionEven if it was true it's retarded and I don't understand why the country's waging a successful war against all things German and that Germany isn't allowed to fight back.
>>2487594>b-but it’s not in germanys back yard! The germans would totally be willing to sweep it under the rug!Ignoring the fact that it’s in the pakts delineated zone of operations, sweden supporting east african independence is a direct threat to germans naval access in the indian ocean. Same goes for france and the south atlantic, the germans would 100 percent be willing to play hardball to defend their allies. The pakt is a mutual defense alliance, any funding of colonial guerillas would be seen as a direct attack on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of pakt members
itt: TNO devs vent about things they hate about the mod but can't say in the devcord due to clique warfare.
>>2487521So there isn't a single pro-german path for Sweden? Like rightists are pro ofn leftists are independent leaning who are the progermans that can go to power
>>2487609According to the dev there's no pro-German content or any ability for the tag to go far-right because it'd be impossible in real life.
>>2487616>muh institutions will prevent a coup >US somehow has several fascist and a communist path but the army doesn’t once take notice>The institutions are totally strong btw, they 100 percent prevent this despite doing barely anything to prevent their subversion TNO dev logic ladies and gentlemen
>>2487617To be fair while that statement aged like milk it was written before Trump's election caused Mango to add all those meme routes.
>Sweden singlehandedly proving aryan superiority by dismantling the Reich more efficently than the jewish states of america could ever dream ofbased... so fvcking based...
>>2487625... In the name of African liberation and equal rights, anon.
>>2487631white man's burden
sadly i dont have a chart for it so you will have to take my word for it, but there are two new paths for swedenone is if himmler is in power he can actually invade them (he puts the far right dudes in power and creates an Italian Social Republic-like regime)the other is if the right-wing coalition wins three elections in a row it is possible for Nils Flyg's communist party - with Getman support(!) - to take power during the fourth one (because the SAP is completely discredited by then) and puruse a pro-pakt policy alluding to Flyg's otl pro-nazism
>>2487853Every FĂĽhrer should be able to invade Sweden because the Swedes are duplicitous backstabbing shitbags.
>>2487862what i don't get is why are the people who kept doing racial science and shit after the reich fell iotl like thisis this just more whitewashing
>>2487853>Kateryna's been bullied into expanding scope for the 100th time>Ties it to a route that'll never come out>Steals ideas from Paradox and the scrapped buildMaybe if we keep breaking the echo chamber we'll eventually get someone who's actually playable like Bormann to react to Sweden bombing the shit out of Germans with more than a yawn and maybe a stern letter.
I don't have a chart for it you gotta trust me, Iran will have a Zoroastrian empire path and reform the Achaemenid empire They can invade Iraq during the oil crisis,>>2487853Nils Flyg wouldn't be pro German in this timeline because Bukharin is in power, as Kateryna mentions in the Sweden proposal
>>2487934Wow we bullied kateryna into changing Iran skeletonWe did it reddit
>>2487934>Bukharin comes into power>Does the same shit Stalin did but fails>"I'm fine with this because instead of Stalin doing it, Bukharin did."If true nigga literally just skimmed Wikipedia and called it a day on that one. I don't believe you though since all of these are just huge shifts from the mod's current style and would just entail a massive 180 if we're going to also add KX-style memes all of a sudden just like Sweden's war against Germany sticks out like a sore thumb because of how hard it contradicts their plot armor and complete ruthlessness everywhere else in their home region.
>>2487938Bukharin forces through the NEP and doesn't do the great purge, the USSR is slower to indistrialize
what is kats nationality
>>2487939Except all these things still happen with the gulags, invasions, mass forced labor and killings because Panzer and Pacifica kept a lot of the USSR's darker parts even in this timeline except this guy doomed the USSR on top of all that.>>2487941Either Swedish or a Romanian living in Sweden.
>>2487945That's normal leftist stuff yeah
Sweden is getting blacked in every timeline
Himmler is the only non-cuck fuhrer?He's the only one that can invade Sweden and force the iron guard upon Romania's government after they invade hungary
>>2488050>>2487196Himmler has no content done and since we're not getting Speer this year and since the reworks have taken five years and counting we're not seeing any of that this decade.
>>2487939I’m actually a bit more versed in the russia lore than most. It’s not simply bukaharin taking power, but rather soviet power is divided between him and stalin in an alliance between the center and right factions of the party against the left The NEP is still implemented (somewhat) but there’s constant interparty infighting for funding and power leading to tons of issues. Also the stalinist style industrialization plans only start in the mid 1930s as a reaction to hitler taking power instead of the late 20s. So mass industrialization starts later as funding was previously allocated to agricultural reforms to get more people into cities. The holodomor doesn’t happen in this timeline, but forced labor and gulags are still a big part of industrializationArmy reform is also a lot slower since the conflicting factions don’t get purged leading to more infighting (a good example of this infighting is the polish soviet war). When barbarossa starts, there is a rally arround the flag effect, but after the loss of moscow, stalin launches a coup and attempts to consolidate power around his center faction to have a more united response to the german invasion. This, predictably, doesn’t work and leads to bukharinists attempting a counter coup which fails leading them to start a rebellion in siberia. The germans are watching this chaos laughing their asses off and push to the AA line by 1943, Dabbing their way to the bank as they prepare for sealion
>>2488167So it’s not the case that bukharin was a bad leader or that his policies doomed the USSR, it was leftist infighting that kills the soviet experiment. As for sealion, It’s a bit harder to justify, but apparently the british navy gets fucked at mers el-kebir, Gibraltar still gets seized by the germans, then malta by the italians, The war in africa goes poorly as there’s a lot less US aid and japan is just raping them in east asia which overstretches the brit’s. Then the germans gain naval superiority over the brit’s after gutting the USSR and begin sealion with a coalition fleet
Anyone got an upscaled version of the new argentine fascist flag? thx
>Literally no one not even devs can keep track of all these retcons any more>Lots of this isn't even in the game yet>Content relying on the old lore is still the bulk of all playable content >A lot of it doesn't even make senseAt a certain point the old lore of Germany rolling natural 20s and leaving it at that just worked better than them jumping through 5000 hoops and having the Soviets commit suicide just to make the setting seem "realistic".
>>2488184The axis still do roll a ton of nat 20s, Germany and especially japan basically rely on them to win The japanese get stupidly lucky in the pacific war, The only place they loose is in papua new guinea but they body basically everyone in south east asia and china just gets raped (literally) by japan. The japanese navy are especially lucky, they completely destroy the Americans at pearl harbor, win at midway, and the americans don’t island hop so they still control the supply lanes in the pacific. A good chunk of their fleet is still damaged but compared to our timeline it’s basically a broken nose compared to getting shot point black by artillery
>>2488195Missing the point. I case it wasn't clear already: the problem isn't rolling nat 20s or not, it's trying to explain every little thing that goes into that to the point where you need to spell out a ton of nonsense. It was better when it was more vague and general because not we have thousands of stupid details to pick apart. Also all these retcons aren't in the mod even because they've reworked the entire premise of the mod at this point and there are leftovers and contradictions all over the place and in others you have more implemented that relies on reworks that aren't even out yep.
>>2488199Yeah I agree, The only way the retcons work is if all the reworks come out but until they come out we’re kinda stuck with the worst of two worlds You can definitely see this with places like italy where everywhere else is highly developed lore wise but italy is just there with 1.0 content that no one particularly likes
>>2488205But the retcons are often nonsensical and the devs also break their own setting left and right with their contradictions so even if the reworks released things will still be broken. I just don't think they should've reworked EVERYTHING because it has destroyed the mod's own lore to the point where I don't think anyone can fix it.
>>2488205Like italy’s position as a great power is basically the duce swimming in gold coins scrooge mcduck style while ABBAs “Money Money” blares in the background but gameplay wise they are actually poorer than france and Britain in most games. The disconnect between the two is just jarring you know?
>>2488064I'm talking about plans
Mango is planning to commit suicide if yippie doesn't release this year
>>2488318He will troon out?
>>2488318good ridancenot because she's trans but because she has been dragging this mod down since she got power over it
>>2488318Don't give them hope.>>2488723He isn't trans. The only one in the team's leadership that is these days is Kateryna. Nearly all the people you hate on the team are straight dudes that happen to be neoliberals.
Btw good news from the TNORA front, Italy is getting content done, although only Demitaly and all duces except Pavolini will get implemented at first since red Italy and Pavolini are mostly still a skeleton.This means we get most of Penelope's web finally done on a fork by the end of september
I hope at least the three duces that will be playable and dem Italy are sort of stable and enjoyable. Sadly the first rework iteration's Demitaly is basically OTL Italian republic with little changes like having to deal with the empire and the monarchy, the second iteration was a bit more althist but basically totally incomplete. Why didnt CWIC implement something similar to tnos dem Italy for Italian content of the 60s?
Also old Italy content can be activated with a game rule like old Britain content in tno last days
>>2488755>>2488760>>2488762>RA fulfills TNO's roadmap before TNOThat's actually awesome news. Did you do it yourselves or did the TNO devs give you a nearly finished build to work with again?
>>2488769It was done using the unfinished 2022 build of PW and adapted to TNORA
>>2488755Muti content?? God bless.
>>2488780>TNO nearly finished Italy in 2022 but didn't release it over nudev shenanigans>One (1) autist finished their shitAbsolute nudev humiliation.
The story behind this update is so sad!Now using AI we can complete the devs couldn't finish
>>2488790It's not very impressive to just copy paste a dev builds code and not finish it imo
>>2488795Sure is more impressive to get the mostly-finished build playable than having ZERO progress and yet another reboot after five years of failures and reworking. Taking Ls to a single autist no matter how you look at it.
>>2488795If it's so easy how come we've had no new playable Italy content from a team numbering in the hundreds for five years?
>>2488815Simple Because their Rewooooorking aaah
Wait I don’t see the new manchuria docs anywhere in the OP let me post them, I thought I had posted them here when I leaked them New Park and Sejima Dochttps://files.catbox.moe/i8sgq5.pdfNew Yuyan and Puje doc https://files.catbox.moe/zjjfvg.pdf
>>2488867Is anyone actually working on these or is development still functionally dead?
>>2488867Can you post the new flowchart again, because I don't see it in the OP
>>2488867These are still ones for the old Manchukuo design, do you have anything for the latest one?
>>2488877Here's the new flowchart: https://files.catbox.moe/59hy3c.pngThis is the old one that the design docs linked above are for:https://files.catbox.moe/gj8y34.png
>>2488882I think they repurposed them and just converted some ideas from the new version to the old document. The devs apparently don’t do detailed design docs anymore and rely more on detailed flowcharts. They say it increases efficiency since they can just do bullet points instead of typing a whole document I agree but having a master doccument would be much more useful to get general themes and characterization. It’s much easier for writers to write locs if we know the characters personalities or objectives
>>2488885I have some really mixed feelings about that flowchart. I like some of the changes to the park and puje path (I still think park should give more autonomy to mangyo subsidiaries and peruse a chaebol model instead of outright nationalization), but I really dislike the changes to the technocrat path and katakuras path
>>2488889>It’s much easier for writers to write locs if we know>we know>weGraytider venting moment. Make sure you make those quotas, insect.>>2488892Maybe the next rework will fix the parts you hate. Just hope that the rework after that doesn't break them again!
>>2488895I’m not a grey tide for tno, I was on for a submod who adopted many of the changes that tno did. I left the team a while ago because I didn’t really have time due to work
what do you guys think would be an interesting 1950s nazi germany flowchart (not for tno and neither for twr)? the civil war after hitler's death is somewhat of a cliche anyway but do people like it? it's not that realistic but i feel like gameplay and realism have to be balanced otherwise the game turns to stale
>>2489018I 'spose the big problems they would need to deal with would be France and Britain recovering from the war and the subsequent revanchism, colonial uprisings in the british and french colonies, and a Russia rearmed by the Americans or Japanese (Russia on it's own is not going to be a problem when all they have is dirtpoor Siberia). also let's be real Japan will eventually be a problem seeing as they straight up just had world domination as their goal
Does anyone have the Japan Flowchart? The latest one if possible
>>2489204here
>>2489214>Another fucking rework
>>2489214What's new here compared to the last one?
>>2489218>>2489220Nothing is new, its just a more detailed version. Only additions are asanuma's successor and konoe fumitaka failstate.
>>2489214This looks pretty cool. Shame it's never coming out.
>>2489223Well the lead was purged so shits probably still fucked over there. Every time someone is purged and a new guy takes over you always get reworks and changes because the new guy either dislikes or doesn't understand the old content. Some real bad cases of nudevs trying to copy old concepts without understanding how it works, it's like giving a computer to an inbred tribal that's never interacted with technology.
>>2487196You missed the Rwanda flowchart and OOSG rework from last thread>>2487154>>2487154
>>2489214What I can't understand about new Japan, is why Asanuma is progressive. The man had some weird beliefs during WW2 and even used Hitler's speeches as an inspiration for his own. After the war he didn't share the mainstream JSP party line and had some peculiar views towards Japan, the Emperor and the American occupation. Only later in life, after his visit to the PRC (which doesn't exist in TNO), he pivoted hard to the socialist politics. It is just so strange to see him go from helping Konoe to set up a totalitarian fascist regime to being hecking holsum welfare expander.
>>2489356He was the protegé of Hishashi Āso and was involved in socialist parties before World War Two, while he would certainly have fascistic/nationalist tendencies I don't think it's too out of character for him to maintain his left-wing outlook.
>>2489353They were likely ignored because of how incomplete/barebones they are.>>2489356Don't lose sleep over this. Save your energy for when the new, far more awful rework gets unleashed.
>>2489360With that kind of logic Strasserism (Revolutionary Nazism) and Ordosocialism could be moved into the progressive or regular socialist slot when clearly that'd be just as wrong.
>>2489360Okay, I'm not arguing with that, but surely the collapse of the USSR and triumph of the Nazis would impact his opinions somehow, especially if he was open to the latters' ideology. Furthermore, I don't undarstand labeling a commited totalitarian as a 'Progressive' even if he has a left-wing tint. In older flowchart he was Paternalist, which I find a bit better description for him TNOtl, but desu, he just should be Fascist.
>>2489377But anon, didn't you know? Communism being a gigantic fucking failure only made it and other left-wing ideologies stronger and more popular than in our timeline.
>>2489367There's a reason I said "fascistic tendencies" and not outright fascism. From what I've read about him he still held non-Marxist socialist beliefs within the framework of the YSK during the Second World War. You argue for a subid change or whatever but it's not a Japanese beefsteak nazi situation where he would abandon these beliefs TNOtl>>2489377You're probably right about the subidelogy, but I doubt the USSR falling would lead to him immediately renouncing his socialist views considering he was an anti-communist in the first place.>especially if he was open to the latters' ideologyYou're probably misunderstanding something you read - "National Socialism" in interwar Japan meant aiming for anti-capitalist reform through cooperation with the military and loyalty to the imperial system, it didn't have anything to do with Nazi Germany
>>2489392It's like you niggas forgot that you have left-wing corporatism in the mod.
>>2489402This would also work - should make it clear I'm not trying to argue about the specific TNO subid he should be shown as, rather I'm arguing about his portrayal as a whole working well given the circumstances
>>2489356If there’s one thing you must understand about asian politics, It’s that none of it makes sense and you can have self proclaimed fascists like kishi supporting the soviet union and socialists supporting hitler. Japan in the interwar and post war period was a wild fuckin mish mash of ideologies. Manchuria populated by japanese supremacist socalists, The army being both hyper nationalistic yet supporting the policies of the post war welfare state, The japanese invading china because they saw it as corrupted by western imperialism even though they supported the KMT and chiang was a student in the imperial japanese army academy with private japanese sympathies Imperial japan was a wild place man
>>2489407I'm just asking for consistency. Making it an alternate version of left-wing corporatism would be more consistent, would account for his harsher believes, and it wouldn't cause the same confusion you get from having it lumped in with all the wholsum Redditor feelgood shit.
>>2489392>You're probably misunderstanding something you read - "National Socialism" in interwar Japan meant aiming for anti-capitalist reform through cooperation with the military and loyalty to the imperial system, it didn't have anything to do with Nazi GermanyAlso the idea of socialism wouldn’t just die with the fall of the soviet union. The nazis described themselves as socialists in the vein of saint simon and the og utopian socialists and decried communism as fake socialism and “Bolshevism” Socialism is a really big tent and marxism is only one part of that tent. German victory really only takes out marxism as a viable ideology rather than the entire ideological tent
>>2489407Thank you for detailed posts! I'm not arguing for his removal or replacement, I do too think he fits quite well in the system Konoe is building, it's just the subid choice seems out of place for me. I enjoy brown piecharts raahhhOn another note, I really should read more about asian interwar policits, should be a good time.
>>2489544Eyes wide open has a pretty good series about it I would check them out It’s called the making of modern japan
Is there like a breakdown somewhere of the history of TNO's development and the different cliques of devs and what they want? It all seems very interesting but hard to understand as someone who checks in on the leaks sometimes.
>>2489747There's this from 2022. No one's updated it, so let's try to do it. Most notably, everyone left of Reformist is gone, several reduxes and nodes of power have been introduced, and TNO itself is effectively just a group of squabbling Reformists and the Ewatta Clique (then a joke faction) is just the main Realism Clique faction. In retrospect it's amazing how accurate this ended up being.>Panzerites>SubIds: Ultrapanzerites, Neo-Panzerites, Radical FirestartingGone from the team by the team this was made. The collapse of TNO's popularity and failures to update has, as predicted, led to them avoiding their worst fears. They now have their own redux in the form of Rises Again and many of them went on to contribute to The Fire Rises and its success.>Reactionaries>SubIds: Reformed Panzerite, Ultrareactionary, Requiemist Hardliner, Pacifican OriginalismAnother faction that's gone from the team but more powerful today. As predicted, they got the Panzerite treatment. The last of them were purged from the team in the 2024 takeover by Mango. Several of them went on to found Requiem and this is also the kind of people that founded TFR and now form the power center over there. Arguably the most influential of the factions in the post-coup landscape.>Moderate>SubIds: Neo-Pacifican, Neo-Reformist, Kaiser CentristWhile it's correct that they were overlooked these kinds of people make up a significant portion of rank and file members and the playerbase. They're now largely gone from the team as well though they were never victims of any targeted purges. Their disappearance marks the collapse of the soft, broad support the mod once had. Many old Reformists now also find themselves here, not radical enough for the new regime. Requiem is now home to a lot of these as well.
>>2489747>>2489779>Reformists>SubIds: Toolboxers, Compromiser Clique, Brazilian DemocracyThe most powerful faction when this meme was made and enjoyed significant praise thanks to Guangdong. Since then, the group's credibility has largely been destroyed after Mango's takeover of the mod and their noted tendency to compromise on key issues has been completely steamrolled in a world where wanting to keep the Congo Lake is treated as a heresy by the leads. In the post-coup landscape, it's indeed an irony that the people who enabled the coup also found themselves on the target lists as the definition of "realism" expanded each day with teams like the French one being notably punished by their more radical kin.>Realism Clique>SubIds: Mangoites, LamouneritesWanting to remove Burgundy, the RKs, the NPP and so much more actually came to pass. The jokingly named Ewatte Clique of old is the Realism Clique of today, and many of the conspiracies about their plans turned out to be real. They now run the mod, but they run a husk of what it used to be with updates ceasing, their plans being leaked and ridiculed, and an internally hated secret police trying to plug the gaps.Bonus content: A lot of the baker's old realism clique coup tree from 2024 also came to pass.
Interesting, what was Pacifica's approach like compared to the others? And how does Mango differ from previous reformers? What is QuoProQuid's role?
>>2489786>Pacifica Commie that spearheaded Komi and TT. Wanted complex Vicky mechanics but also weird shit in the tags. Was very controversial at the time but after she left all of Russia dev died and then the reworkers purged everyone left standing.>MangoNeoliberal activist. Abolished elections, strongarmed all the most extreme changes, reworks America from scratch to remove all icky alternative history. He's from the mod scene for The Campaign Trail and wants to turn TNO into that game. Basically destroyed the mod for good and caused the reduxes to happen.>QPQJust another USA lead. Just Mango with mild social awareness.
so when will mango troon out
Should TNO be a democracy or a dictatorshipIve heard critics suggest both
>>2489786Lamounier's the only one besides Mango that actually has any real power. He reworked Germany and more than anyone else destroyed the mod since every setback of theirs can be traced back to his plan to remove all German content and replace it with his own. Even if you like modern TNO this decision is the reason why all you have today are flowcharts and nothing actually gets done.>>2489804I don't think it matters. Almost no mods have elections for leads and they do just fine. TNO has the problems it does because it's run by people that don't like HOI4 and its community.
>>2489804Name me a movie or a book that's democratically directed.
>>2489832Low IQ take. There are plenty of movies where multiple people have an input on the final product and where multiple parties oversee the production. There's also crowd funding and polling audiences for what they want. If anything, directors that do everything with an iron fist are rare and often get bad reps for being a pain to work with. To which you will accurately say that there are hundreds of legends out there that were visionary creators of masterpieces without realizing that for each of them there's a thousand talentless hacks like Mango, QPQ and Lamounier. It's more common for books to be one person jobs though, but now you're talking about a completely different medium and scale. And even then a lot of authors are moved by audience feedback so I don't think you thought your post through but I'm sure you'll love the goal posts anyway.
>>2489853You didn't answer the question. Are there books/movies that have democratic form of governance, as in there's no executive director/author/showrunner. >There's also crowd funding and polling audiences for what they want>a lot of authors are moved by audience feedbackThis has nothing to do with dictatorship/democracy paradigm. I can do crowd funding while being in complete control of my mod. >which you will accurately say that there are hundreds of legends out there that were visionary creators of masterpieces without realizing that for each of them there's a thousand talentless hacks like Mango, QPQ and LamounierIt's due to sturgeons law and not any innate flaw of the system. At least you know that there are mastepieces made through dictatorship. I don't know a single good mod/book/movie that was democratically produced which is why I asked you to provide an example.
>>2489951Shut the fuck up you pseudo-intellectual retard.
>>2489804It takes too long to change the direction of a mod, which already happened once to TNO. Dictatorship is just the most efficient in terms of producing content. The reason why TNO hasn’t had hardly any new content since launch is mostly because of a change in direction making content already being developed obsolete.
>>2490031>TNO under democracy led to TT, Guangdong, early South America, all initial Russia expansions and more>TNO under Mango's dictatorship has led to Antarctica>TFR, KR and many other mods that are mostly undemocratic to various degrees produce far moreThe real answer is that you don't put fucking retards that don't play the game in charge and then gatekeep fuckers like that forever to prevent shit from this like occurring. Just defaulting to saying that despotism worked better though is just objectively wrong however when you look at the dismal results.You need at least SOME kinds of checks and balances to prevent power tripping lunatics.
>>2490014I've never seen anyone being so cocky and losing an argument this fast >>2490041No you don't. If you have bad people in charge then you shouldn't associate with them and go find a new project led by someone you're willing to follow. You won't fix a bad actor by putting "checks and balances" onto him. Also TNO as a whole was a product of Pinkpanzers creative vision which you didn't mention for some reason. Also I might be incorrect but I think in TT era there wasn't a democracy but holy roman empire style decentralisation where everyone ran their own fiefdom and guangdong had two co-leads which is monarchical form of organisation.
>>2490162>So what if your mod was hijacked?>Just create your own!Absolute dogshit post all around. Also yes, you're incorrect. Their experiment in democracy was instituted because of how bad their experience with Panzer was. The fact that you don't even understand the difference between a tag lead and an overall team lead further invalidates everything you're saying. Please stop pretending that you have any idea what you're talking about, you clearly don't and it's frankly embarrassing. Don't even bother replying, I won't read any shit you have to say because it's clearly going to be a waste of everyone's time.
>>2490165>>So what if your mod was hijacked?>>Just create your own!That's your only option unfortunately. What else do you propose? Requiem and Ra did that. Panzer has his second successful mod. >Their experiment in democracy was instituted because of how bad their experience with Panzer was.This experiment lead to mangos tyranny after he and his friends voted themselves in. Just like irl discord democracies lead to worst kinds of tyrannies. If you don't want romanovs or bourbons you'll get lenins and jacobins. >how bad their experience with Panzer wasYet Panzer produced greatness. As a customer I don't care what happens to devs as long as the final product is good. >The fact that you don't even understand the difference between a tag lead and an overall team lead further invalidates everything you're sayingNo it doesn't since that's just pointless pedantics.You do everything you can to avoid actual discussion because you seem clueless on how the power works >Please stop pretending that you have any idea what you're talkingDidn't you just say that democracy is when you do polling and crowd fund?
>>2490171nayrt but you're a retard overthinking things.TNO is shit because it's full of people that hate HOI4 and exclusively want t ramble about their personal politics. It doesn't matter what system they'll use. It'll always fail in proportion to how many decisions are made by people that don't play the game. It's that simple.
>>2490179I just said that >You won't fix a bad actor by putting "checks and balances" onto himAny system can work if the people are perfect. However we don't have perfect people and practice shows that monarchy is the best system of governance which is why almost everyone uses it.
>>2489804Internal democracy within a team can work but ""democracy"" in the sense of the wider community being able to make choices on development would be awful if you want to make something that's remotely coherent.
Guys can yall please explain to me what happens if Germany is fully successful in their invasion of Red Italy? Like a superpower fully taking out an unofficial 4th superpower seems like a radical shift in the balance of power, I mean wouldn't Germany just win the cold war by that point? They now have the majority of the world's oil in their hands.
>>2490491Well the Germans don't automatically get the middle east on their sidePresumably, after Red Italy rises up there would be a power vacuum in the middle east, to be filled by regional powers (like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran) and the other superpowers (America, Japan, Germany through their Iranian proxy)
>>2490491Knowing how TNO works1: It's not releasing you're wasting your time asking this and it'll be reworked several more times and2: The devs will find a way to make it for worse and more underwhelming than anything I can think of.
Can the DV leaker come back and leak the Chieftain Holden Roberto path and Eduardo Mondlane
>>2490642No one gives a shit about DV, Mike.
TNO is lost foreverbillions must play TNO: Old World Blues
>>2490642Holden is leading the secessionist state in Northern Angola. Its in the flowchart.
>>24904911. Germany annexes Switzerland, SĂĽdtirol, Friuli, and the Austrian Littoral.2. They prop up the Italian Social Republic in Italy, the Ustate in Croatia, the Chetniks in Montenegro, the Balli Kombetar in Albania, and the Security Battalions in Greece.3. The Saudis take over the Trucial states and create puppet monarchies in the Emirates, Bahrain, and Qatar.4. The Levant has to be conquered by Turkey to trigger Red Italy in the first place, so there's that.5. Egypt will just seize the Suez and turn inwards.6. Libya breaks in two, Cyreanica under King Idris and Teipolitania under Gaddafi.7. Ethiopia revolts under Haile Selassie, annexes Eritrea, aligns with the Pakt.8. Somalia idk, probably just shits itself and collapses like it did in real life
>>2490732No one believes this will ever be added to the mod.
Why talk about tno at all, if it's never releasing
Dengist speer isnt going to release this year. its only around 55 percent done. Also its more similar to the US presidential trees where its smaller branches connected to one main tree.
>>2490732Iran should at least take the opportunity to seize Bahrain
>>2490732Man there really is a contrast here with your helpful message with information about Italy and other smaller countries and the bitchass a few posts above who instead of saying something useful just complained about tno, like stfu bitch don't reply if you will not say anything substantive
>>2490786Why talk about tno in the tno thread? Hmm I don’t know, could someone help me with this one? I don’t know why the dedicated TNO thread has so many TNO posts, it’s honestly a mystery to me
does anyone has the brazil flowchart that leaked? i remember seeing it in another thread
>>2490851It’s outdated in terms of modern TNO design. All I remember is Waldemar Pires is the Brizola successor, Fernando Ferrari was the Edna Lott successor, Egyidio Martins/Paulo Maluf was the PSP successor, and Itamar Franco was the Banda den Musica leader.
>>2490851
>>2490732Sounds pretty interesting, if you could provide proof that would be even better
>>2490676could you post that flowchart?
>>2491093Turns out they changed his subid and i like it. With no external pressure and nation bulding by the european powers, TNO niggers are recreating their traditional power structures.
How the fuck can you care about an unplayable otl skeleton for an African shithole What the fuck is wrong with you
How did dumb realists took over TNO? There needs to be a revolution to get them out of TNO before it is ruined
>>2491105That isn't what happens in the path
>>2491129>HowMainly two guys and their friends did a long march through the institutions and after one of them, Mango, became the lead dev in a rigged vote with a spoiler candidate everyone that disagreed with them were purged or frozen out. Machiavellian Discord coup by no-lifers that think modding is politics.>RevolutionNever happening, quit dreaming. Old TNO lives on through the fan forks. Just play them, cut your losses and accept that nuTNO will be where it is unless there's a complete internal collapse.
>>2491137Realists took over tno in 2021
>>2491139No, it was in 2024. Before then you had more people on that were willing to compromise on things like Burgundy, the Congo Lake and the NPP. The updates also reflected this with Guangdong hardly being a Wiki scrape. After 2021 they constantly increased their power however.
>>2491105>angola UDI pathwaow
>>2491140If you look back into the record, A lot of the devs we consider to be realists like calpf, lam, mango, and kat were on the team during the panzer days. They still had high positions even back then. I don’t think that it was a specific clique that took over in a coup against the main devs. What I think happened was that the devs gradually shifted their views towards a more realist direction after panzer and pacifica left the mod to do their own projects. The way the dev team behaves doesn’t look like a sudden and abrupt change in direction, rather it looks like a gradual shift due to constant internal discussions and revisions. TNO as a team has always had two consistent traits: Perfectionism and neuroticism. Their perfectionism made panzer delay the mod for almost two years and their neuroticism is just blatantly obvious. It seems to me that their neurotic perfectionism lead to the constant reworks and lore changes because no lore they wrote would be good enough to satisfy their obsessive desire for the perfect mod
>>2491152>Kateryna was an OGHe joined in late 2023. You must be thinking about someone else for the fourth slot like QPQ. That's a nitpick though, it's true that many of the realismfags were on the team for ages. Hence: a long march through the institutions, emphasis on long. It's not like these people didn't exist before then, they simply had people on the team that balanced things out instead of the current extreme all-or-nothing stance that Mango et al does.
>>2491155Is it a long march or natural consequence of older devs leaving?
>>2491159Too much gayopping and Discord scheming for it to just be a natural evolution.
>>2491159Bit of both >>2491160Yeah, and it was the panzerites doing said gayops. I don’t need to relitigate that ancient drama since it the mods don’t like that kind of discussion Anyways a lot of those people left due to their reputations being in the toilet and what we consider to be “nudevs” took their places. Less a long march and more using the manpower they had at the time. If it was an outright purge, you would see a fanfork immediately pop up with a bunch of purged devs. But we didn’t see that, in fact, fanforks like requiem only broke off after antarctica and RA was/is a completely detached project made by some dudes on kf who hate the devs
>>2491155>Hence: a long march through the institutions, emphasis on long.I generally disagree with this take. Mostly because I do not believe that it was a deliberate plan by the “realism clique” to take over the mod. I doubt there was any plan involved at all, I think it was simply a gradual shift in direction rather than a concerted effort by a small organized clique. It’s certainly possible that this was always their intention, but I doubt it. You can see how their opinions and development philosophy’s change and adapt over time via the dev documents. If it was a concerted plan, we wouldn’t have the constant revisions and reworks since the new vision would have been pre formulated prior to the takeover
>>2491165Don't even try to rewrite history, devnigger.
>>2491178Did you just forget about what happened to tno redux?
>>2491174There was a plan it's just not a very good one. The thing you're alleging, that they'd come in with a clean vision, is what you got: DV, all RK reworks consolidating, Yippie, everything else. The reason why we get tons of revisions, reworks, drama and other bullshit is because of the gargantuan scope and poor planning skills of these people like when Mango retconned parts of America over Trump winning the elections. Occam's razor: a bunch of terminally online people were overambitious and their project isn't going as they hoped or intended now that they can do whatever they want and the rubber has hit the road.You'll eventually see it turn into reality though but that's several years away at this rate. Reworking so many continents at once is a Herculean task and I don't envy them for putting themselves in this situation.
>>2491184You know what, that’s a convincing argument considering a lead dev started dv in the first place
>>2491184What did Mango specifically retcon over trump winning
>>2491188The connally path, schlaffy implementing the same policies as trump, and the totally not kamala allegory being the only one in america able to defeat heckin fascism,
>>2491188>>2491194There was also Romney being axed and replaced with Fong because he was "more evil" which sparked drama with TFO who were using Romney in their sequel mod. That was the first really big one and was a direct response to him seething over Trump.
>>2491194Trump and schlalfy both being paleocons/paleocon aligned would lead to them having similar policies
>>2491207They were nothing alike at all IRL so no.
>>2491207>trump, the 90s democrat, the man who’s upheld litteraly every liberal policy like welfare and social security and has actively denounced actual paleocons like pat buchanan. Yeah he’s exactly like schlaffy despite having litteraly nothing in common besides (nominally) being against immigration Pure mental disability
>>2491229He's a TNO dev doing damage control.
Can someone leak the dutch new guinea chart?
>>2491234This is true
>>2488195>The only place they loose is in papua new guineaHow many pacific islands has Japan lost so that the devs can make skeleton content for shithole OFN puppet states?
starting a movement to stop using the term nudevs and start calling them mangoloids from now on
>>2489747yeah I don’t know how nobody has made a feature length YouTube doc over the rise and fall of TNO yet
>>2491285Just looked at the map, micronesia is all Japanese territory, Melanesia is split between japan and the ofn where japan has parts of papua new guinea and the bismarck archipelago while the ofn control the rest. Polynesia is an ofn lake so japan controls east asia basically uncontested while the ofn controls most of the pacific
>>2491326Probably because it’s too autistic and the mod hasn’t technically failed in the vein of something like fallout the frontier It’s simply too niche to be worthy of a full blown hour and a half long doc
>>2491338nah I don’t agree with this cause Down the Rabbit Hole did one of these on the unofficial Skyrim patch which felt like a giant nothingburger compared to how TNO managed to tarnish its credibility and relevance within the span of nearly a decade but only reason I would hold off on one is Yippie officially coming out and failing makes sense as the crescendo for a hypothetical video essay otherwise there’s no meaty hook beyond “and then this retard took power and nothing happened the end”
>>2491207You have been successfully mindfucked by libslop lad.
What's the status of Lebensborn and other breeding programs in V&J? Bormann and Himmler had some funny ideas with legalizing polygamy
>>2491650It’s primarily himmler who has it as a focus, they don’t legalize polygamy, but he does establish a state ran hookup service for young girls and guys to get together. He also integrates schooling for both sexes (because he sees male only schools as gay) and de stigmatizes births out of wedlock. Bormann is primarily focused on partification, fucking with the church, reforging the nsdap into an elite party, and rebuilding germany as an economic power via state planning I don’t know about heydrich but i’m pretty sure he doesn’t go as far as himmler. Lebensborn is basically a part of the healthcare industry so i’m assuming that goring and speer take it out of ss control and put it in the hands of the health ministry. No fuhrer will abandon the program but the other fuhrers aren’t tunnel visioned on natalism in the same way that himmler was
Is there any info on Italian East Africa other than that one screenshot of Hailee Salassie with RevNat ideology?
ask somewhere else Mike
>>2491661>Devniggers talking about routes they admit they've made no actual content for yet
>>2491677It's like the TV Tropes page where they talk about their planned reworks as if they're already out.
>>2491663ReactNat
No one fucking cares about OTL Africa stop trying to meme this into reality.
>>2491723Can I kiss you
>>2491723Can you post the full east africa chart and the baltics? we’re so close to getting all of the RK charts.
>>2491723What happens if no collab Britain?
>>2491663Italy Dev is still in design we won't get new content for them before the 30s
>>2491769Probably US aligned if I had to guess, either that or independently aligned taking aid from both sides. maybe a red italy supports ethiopian communists and the derg? Idk, either way red italy doesn’t make a lot of sense. Which doesn’t mean it should be cut obviously (don’t get any fuckin ideas devs), but it needs way more time in the oven. The socalists don’t have much of a base in the military to actually stand a chance of winning a revolt.
>>2491726>blah blah, I need muh big war to bring me OTL slop after two wars and not make me able to do anything with it afterYou see how this looks, right?You must miss Africa Addio as hell, go play RA
>>2492043Devnigger cope.
>>2492047Not this time, retard. The devniggers are loser circlejerks, and DV could be fun.
>>2492049Mike cope.
>>2492050Mike who?
>>2492052Shut the fuck up, Mike.
>>2492054Whatever, schizo.
and here is the leaked CommieSweden path
>>2492061Mike stop shitting up the thread with your zoomer memes and DV astroturfing
>>2492081Let me guess: Germany does absolutely nothing and Kateryna will arrive any minute now to tell us just like in the last thread that it makes sense because he became a Nazi in real life despite him also not becoming one because of Bukharin leading the USSR?
>>2492081>another leaked flowchart that’ll never be implemented has hit the /tno/ thread
>>2492088If it's real at least it's really funny because it means that we broke Kateryna's brain.
>>2492081Mathias, just post the full flowcharts, no one cares about partial screenshots because they can easily be faked.
Mein FĂĽhrer, Pakt Sweden ist alive
>>2492181"El peronismo sin PerĂłn es como el cristianismo sin Cristo."
>>2492181Please post the full thing, we may have bullied kat so hard that he gave germany a spine just to appease us
>>2492196Leak the whole Argentina chart please
>>2492081>>2492181>Scrap the Pakt-aligned skeleton because it could go communist like Finland and you don't want to include a war Germany can lose>Let a new dev rework the skeleton from scratch>Rework it several times because internal feedback is negative and devs keep leaking your charts>Remove German plot armor so that Sweden can build nukes and go to war against Germany in Africa>Rework it even more because you keep losing arguments on /vst/>Start lifting ideas from the cut content and /vst/>Reintroduce neutered versions of what started the rework cycle to begin with>Bring back Pakt Sweden too after saying it could never happen and that Germany doesn't care for years>Tie it all to yet another rework in another country that's been stalled for even longer>Spend three years to get back to a worse version of square one>You're not even done reworkingTruly one of the TNO moments of all time.
>>2492214/vst/ just killed yippie They're not releasing the update because you bullied the devsGood job
>>2492181>Himmler route>Non-nuclear version onlyNot only is it never happening this decade Germany can STILL be forced to cuck out because they allowed an enemy nation to build nukes.
>>2492221It is just sweden so it is more vnj, but yeah this is definitive proof that bullying the devs enough will get changes so long as it’s within their general framework of realism So what else can we bully them into changing for being unrealistic fanfic?
A throughline between Kat's skeletons is that there's a scenario where Germany invades due to one reason or anotherJust look at Finland and RomaniaThen there's Iran in which there's one specific scenario of the Iranian civil war starting
>>2492225Well to be fair the stupid BNWO fanfiction is stil there abd Kateryna at best only reluctantly tied it to a rework that's never releasing. It's like if everything in Yippie remains but Mango said that a future update would add actual fascists that aren't just Republicans in 1980. At least we know that the dev reads the thread and seethes about it.
>>2492230Fair point, But if they can give an inch, who knows how far we can take it. It not going to be to the threads expectations of old tno, but we can at least make them seethe so hard that they take out the worst aspects (ex: black female president being the only anti fascist)
>>2492230What if, MAYBE, it wasn't /vst/ that caused xer to add that
>>2492232Mango is thick enough to not let us get under his skin.
>>2492233It's still funny that they're throwing away this much time and energy on something nobody cares about for a dead mod whether it's /vst/ or the devs leaking all of this that caused this.>>2492239He admitted to reading the threads and has directly responded to posts on the devcord. A while back for instance he lied and said that progress was better than we claimed which led to even more leaks.
>>2492233Yeah I was thinking that, we don’t want to gas ourselves up THAT much
>>2492243I ment he was fat,it was a topical joke
>>2492244I choose to believe it's true because it's funnier that way. Also if he didn't care he wouldn't post here as often as he does and just ignore us like most devs do.
>>2492257>Devs take a look at opinions outside of their echo chambers.>Stuff actually changes due to new feedback.>The response is not shit.Who could've thought?It would be far-fetched to say that I genuinely hope Yippie comes out even later if it makes Mango keep his Republican Derangement Syndrome under control for a little while. Hope is also a mother of the foolish, but nevertheless.
>>2492697It's still pretty bad because they wasted so much time only to backpedal and it's still the same talantless hacks making it which is why anything interesting is tied to a route that's never coming out. The devs are too attached to their failed ways. It's going to take a long time before they mature.
>>2492697>Arch-devnigger made a token concession after years of losing arguments to /vst/No forgiveness.
Devs added something that is in line with nutno design and /vst/ is patting itself on the back for it
>>2492733It's not the change that's being celebrated it's that we mindbroke him after god knows how long of that guy raiding us.
>>2492731>>2492733Well they had to change something in hope of not alienating absolutely fucking everyone. Not like it will change much at this point, because it's too little, too late, but sure. Ok. Fine.>>2492714It is... salvageable. But that requires an actual development regime and a well-marked direction. Not be a blackpiller, but lmao.
I used to only come here for flowchart and design doc leaks but at this point its straight up like coming to the zoo, 95% of the thread is the same 5 paranoid schizophrenics RPing about their parasocial relationship with the devs
>>2492755only 5, Anon?quite modest desu
>>2492779Yeah, I'd have said 3 at most
>>2492781It's just 1 responding to himself
>>2492889Samefag
Any new round tables?Real Gus Hall leaks would also be appreciated.
Hey fags, I remember playing the mod a while ago and never getting around to playing the Taboritsky path. Is it worth playing? Should I play it on one of the other submods/TNO proyects? Also, is there a way to disable event and super event pop ups?, I remember being frustrated by the constat bombardement of events unrelated to my current playthrough like the jap stocks falling or literally who being elected in asia
>>2493141>Is it worth playing?Yes>Should I play it on one of the other submods/TNO proyects?I don't think submods/Requiem could technically add content for Taboritsky>Also, is there a way to disable event and super event pop ups?Yes, you can do that at the top of the decisions tab
>>2493146alright thanks
>>2493141I'd recommend playing it using either the Rises Again or Requiem forks over nuTNO. Rises Again is good if you want to get the original feel and Requiem has a lot of bug and balance fixes that makes playing in Russia better than base TNO. Both provide a superior experience and even if Requiem is objectively better I'd almost recommend Rises Again over it because the world building in OG TNO is just better at supporting the kind of insanity that goes on in BurgSys Russia. Pick your poison, you'll have fun either way.
>>2493141Don’t.
in requiem does beating dictator speer not result in the second gcw?schmidt just succeeds him and manages to stabilize everything?
>>2493298Nope, 2GCW is Bormann only - at least I remember it was only for him.
>>2493298>>2493299Unless something was changed in the last update then the 2GCW is Bormann-exclusive. The explanation is that Speer structures society in a better way while Bormann effectively recreates conditions similar to those that allowed 1GCW to happen.I don't think it's tied to Schmidt and the GO4. Speer's just a better steward of the state. Which, fair. If Hitler creates the conditions of the GCW, the guy that does the bare minimum to reform a flawed system is more susceptible for the sequel than the guy that genuinely tries to create a more effective form of National Socialist governance.
Genuine question because I don’t know anything about Speer why is he considered the most competent leader of the Third Reich if it had survived by most people? There any good books on him?
>>2493331IRL, he was a genuinely effective manager and caused the greatest productivity the Reich enjoyed IRL. This was through immense brutality, but he did do the job fairly well. Moreover, he was less of an ideological diehard and gets depicted as someone with ideological flexibility to get reforms pushed through that keep the National Socialist state intact while preserving the core of the system.An equally big reason desu and this is my personal speculation is that the other candidates are more fucked or stupid. Himmler's an SS lunatic, Goering's a pumpous shithead, Bormann is Hitler 2.0. I can see why they positioned Speer to be the least bad option. Not the guy I'd have fought for in the GCW but I can see the argument for him.
>>2493338The speer armaments miracle is actually a myth. He just happened to take office right as the factories were rolling out new production lines and he took credit for the newfound productivity of all the new stuff coming through the pipeline. What speer was however was a snake and an excellent self promoter, there is a reason why he only got 20 years at nuremberg. He was quite charming personally and could easily portray himself as a mild mannered civil servant who dindu nuffin. He was generally “less ideological” that is true, but that’s more because his lane was just more technical in nature. He didn’t get in the way of people like the SS and in fact was a key ally of the SS during the war (this was in spite of his personal rivalry with himmler) Also the description of the other candidates is just flat out wrong. Himmler isn’t a lunatic despite his more eccentric opinions, he’s plenty competent and is more than willing to compromise on the ground on things like slavic issues or just general reality (he was actually a proponent of the german nuclear weapons program) in favor of getting his true ideological goals completed, which transforming german society to be the aryan warrior ideal. Goring is half true, he was certainly pompous and flamboyant, however he was far from an idiot. He scored the highest on the iq test at the nuremberg trials and was a cunning political operator. He was by far the most powerful nazi offical despite not holding a party office which is why many either fear or resent him. Bormann is absolutely not hitler 2.0, Yes he may imitate most of his opinions and domestic policies off of hitlers example, but he’s changes a ton when he’s in power. He basically submits all government offices and institutions to the authority of the nsdap and moreover restructures the economy into a psudeo private planned economy. Hitler was far more layed back compared to bormann in terms of governance. Bormann is far more of a micromanager
Played the freshly-added Mediterranean rework for TNORA. A lot of it is broken (Algerian war never triggers, IEA never collapses and the transition from the duces inauguration trees to the main ones never happen, plus it uses a system of policy effectiveness that if I'm not mistaken was added only in toolbox theory, soft locking you from some trees.) but I really hope that it gets more attention and gets loc and missing events done as well as finally implementing si ideologies (some of them are already implemented in the Italy gameplay but they weren't added to other countries.
>>2493427(It's not on steam yet, it's on the gitlab page, so it's normal that it's broken, I just wanted to try it out)
Can someone post the Argentina flowchart leaked on kiwi farms here?
>>2493472https://files.catbox.moe/twfq0l.jpg
>>2493427Im here on behalf of GodWinSon, He deeply appreciates your bug report, these elements are still in the experimental stage and they do have some missing elements so bug reports are deeply appreciated. Any and all bug reports greatly help out the devs of RA so if you have any to report, please post your feedback to either this thread or directly on the kiwifarms page -The RA team
>>2493487Overall it seems cool and an improvement over the previous ones, as it makes the South American Cold War more credible and increases the stakes a bit. Also, the US invasion of Argentina is pretty kino.The boring part is that the flowchart is a bit monotone as most leaders are just Clerical Fascists.
>>2493618Still not a fan because these niggas are throwing out years of work and starting over from scratch with a fully functional skeleton while most of the mod is stuck in perpetual rework hell.
>>2493618>US invasion of Argentina is pretty kinoNo its not its retarded.
>>2493679You’re complaining about a new war yet complain that tno is boring because it doesn’t have enough war Will you ever be pleased? This is a positive development, Argentina isn’t a otlist wikiscrape and actually has some dynamism now
>>2493679Argentina in the rework basically a pakt aligned state funding fascism all across America, which is supposed to be *the* US sphere of influence.America has every reason to try and get rid of the Argentinian government, in the same way that Germany can do Sealion 2 or Japan intervene in the Long Yun rebellion.
>>2493699How's that a problem? America is also fascist and should support their efforts. Based on what your boss is saying about America and its content in Yippie they should be able to get along just fine. In fact since America is a fascist shithole that loses the cold war at the start date the current skeleton with its Peronism and its schizophrenic offshoots is a way more fitting opponent than a country that shares America's reworked world view according to Mango.>>2493682The wars you people add suck and whenever you look at them in the charts we see references to minigames, what we can only conclude to be Denmark GUIs and using spawned tags with artificial restrictions. There's a reason why this won't get the fanbase you have for conflicts like the Russian unification wars or the SAW that you're deleting. Not that you'll ever understand this since neither you nor your fellow devs actually play the mod.
>>2493715Why would america support a pro axis regime undermining it's sphere
>>2493717Because America is also fascist and actually a far more natural ally of Argentina than Germany who's further away and has less of a foothold in the region than America. There's no reason for them to undermine a fellow fascist power that has a better ability to support them as they aren't separated by an ocean. With the RKs being removed Germany's means to project power into South America is also reduced which makes America the natural ally for a reworked fascist Argentina.
>>2493618Truth be told, its the only example of a nu-TNO country having no resemblance with its OTL history and im confused about it.>>2493715Stop kvetching tranny.
I personally think the new flowchart is nice in its breadth but lacking depth. It barely elaborates on what the paths are, and has no mention of forpol adventures beyond the first few years. I am happy that they actually added skeleton content for the South American War though, that was one of my biggest complaints about TNO.
>>2493732>No counter arguments
>>2493487So now that the devs have thrown out years of work on an unplayable skeleton what do you look forward to in the tag's next rework?
Who would you vote for in the Fuhrer elections
>>2493721Argentina had axis sympathies otl and harbored plenty of nazis. They also hated american financial interests having a near monopoly over their economy before peron came to power Also america is “fascist” because mango believes it’s institutions have the powers of a fascist dictatorship like government control over the entire economy, a secret police, the authority to violate civil liberties basically without consequence, and an institutional framework that prevents any ideology that isn’t liberal from arising. Its a “liberal fascism” according to mangoAlso just because the US is “fascist” doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its own natural foreign policy objectives. japan can be and is fascist at game start, does that mean it should support the fascist british in africa because they are both “fascist”? Obviously no, because they have their own interests in promoting anti colonialism
>>2493779Idk why you're wasting time trying to explain this to someone acting in bad faith
>>2493756Me personally? probably speer or goring if I couldn’t choose speer If I was an actual reich senator? Probably bormann, he might be a dick but he’s basically my boss and gave me a cushy job as a gauleiter. But the kampfzeit is basically a competition for last man standing so i’d probably bide my time for the most opportune moment and vote on the winner to keep my job
>>2493779I'm just saying that since America is fascist it makes more sense that they're able to get chummy with other fascists in their backyard especially since you retconned a lot of Germany's abilities to project power into the region in DV. Clearly since America wasn't fascist IRL but is depicted as explicitly fascist in several US routes you can't just evoke otlism here either. Your reworks have to stay consistent but they aren't. You're obviously dense since you don't seem to understand that this is the point I've been trying to make all along: your mod's world building is falling apart from all these reworks and lead devs with contradictory goals and political agendas that they want to push.
>>2493794Schlafly doesn't consider herself a fascist, and neither would argentina consider her a fascistHer being fascist on the pie chart is a part of the devs agenda
>>2493783I'm not arguing in bad faith by the way I'm mocking your complete mess of a world building that's being contradicted by Yippie being a flaming mess. The dev's a moron and kept missing the point that he was being made fun of and instead went on to explain why his boss isn't an emotional baby that's been seething about Trump taking office for nearly two years now.
>>2493796Schlafly is explicitly depicted as a fascist. Please stop lying. We've seen the leaked charts and that's clearly how you label her and she isn't the only completely normal US politician that gets randomly morphed into a fascist either.
>>2493802What did I lie about?
>>2493794I mean, the republicans do try and be chummy with the Argentinians as a part of the continental defense strategy, but it’s not really about america aligning with argentina. Argentina has to willingly align with the united states which it is very unwilling to do
>>2493841Also germany has naval bases in west africa and the atlantic, along with a base in antarctica But you do have a point about this stuff causing lore contradictions since if you ask the devs, they will tell you that germany is more willing to compromise east africa or french west africa for the benefit of swedish trade. There is an argument to be made there, but the devs are forgetting about germanys strategic position. Germany cannot afford to be locked into europe, if they cannot project power into the atlantic or the indian ocean, they can be easily blockaded by the US navy and germany isn’t winning a slugging match against them. It’s why I think germany should be a bit more forceful with sweden. It shouldn’t be outright invasion, not at first, But they should very publicly threaten and actively embargo sweden for pulling this kind of stuff. If germany doesn’t want to loose the valuable iron ore trade, that’s fine, But germany can just say “Hey, before you export shit, we need to check your ships for arms shipments” or “Hey I see your providing medical and food aid for african terrorists, well how about an embargo on our wonderfully cheap pharmaceuticals and ukrainian agricultural products”
>>2493858I never thought about it before but this rework giving Germany greater power projection in South America than across its border into Sweden is just another layer of insanity on that particular piece of dev fanfiction.Personally I think a lot of this has to do with cliques and internal communication. A lot of the devs clearly hate each other and leak everything other teams make so it's fair to say that a lot of them might not even talk to each other. TNO feeling like it's several different timelines and mods lumped into one might just be because well-intending devs genuinely can't keep up with all the reworks and tonal changes. I think that's especially true for the South America devs who seem to be the most stable and consistent of all teams and then having to deal with the US and Reich teams flip-flopping every two minutes.
>>2493878I think it's the junior devs who leak stuff, the people who take ordersNot team leads Germany does have power projection over Sweden, they try to shut down the nuclear program
>>2493889It's not just new devs. If it was normal for new devs to leak shit you'd see that with other mods which you don't. TNO is unique about this and it's because many of the devs that know each other on the team hate each other.As for German power projection no they don't try to stop them. They start negotiations and then Sweden can just tell them to eat shit and then start pointing nuclear bombs at Germania without any consequences. The same Germany that drops nuclear bombs at random Russian bandits armed with scavanged WW2 rifles being fine with having a belligerent black supremacist terrorist-supporting state threaten them with nukes is obviously just a byproduct of lead dev privileges. Gee, I wonder why the other teams leak everything that the Reich team makes?
>>2493794Its more because Argentina hates America they align with Germany not because they are fascist. You see this as even some of the democratic Argentina paths align with Germany. Others align with Italy, Iberia, or even Japan. Do you want nothing to happen in South America because that is what would happen if it was pro American? I thought you guys hated otlism this is much more interesting than the old shit. But its clearly never about that you're just retarded zigger ape.
>>2493921>muh ziggers out of nowhere
>>2493936Makes it a dead giveaway that it's just Kateryna shilling again desu. That and the completely disingenuous >We added another fucking rework that breaks parts of the lore and you criticize the bad parts?>Wow, you are the real nothing ever happens chuds!As always a total straw man that doesn't address any of the actual complaints about it.
Anyone who installed the leaked yippie version know for what hoi version it is? I cant get it to load
also yorty link is dead
Does TNORA restore the desk event?
>>2493908I’d actually make a distinction about swedish nuclear policy here. It’s specifically a defensive measure against invasion, rather than an offensive measure against foreign powers. It’s why they developed it otl. The problem the swedes had with nukes irl and in tno is that nuclear weapons makes it more likely that you will be hit by nukes rather than the other way around (basically a nuclear power isn’t going to nuke a non nuclear power, but since a nuclear power is much more of a threat, they are more likely to be targeted in the event of a war) It’s honestly an interesting debate wether sweden would even consider developing a nuclear arsenal in the tno timeline since the swedes developed nukes due to concerns about a possible soviet invasion, but since the swedes are on much better terms with germany than the irl ussr, its debatable wether they would take the risk.
>>2494085Nigga it's aimed at Germany. They're the only country that could invade by the time they're built and it's also a country they hate and actively wage war against across the world. Sweden is an overtly hostile power that funds terrorists, arms black nationalists, harbors enemies of Germany and bombs Pakt troops. Everything you say is rendered null and void by the extreme aggressiveness of the country. While you're at it, please explain to me how you think it'd go over if the Soviets told Kennedy that the missiles there were exclusively for defensive purposes then explain to me why Nazi Germany should be less vigilant about it that the Kennedy administration.
>>2494091I can get behind your arguments, but the comparison is pretty stupid. Missiles on Cuba werent Cuban.
>>2494091But Germany does try to stop the swedes having nukes and can succeed, Sweden isn't guranteed to have them. If as Germany you let the Swedes get nukes its honestly a skill issue. In a cold war mod should the cuban missle crisis play out the same way as it did otl every time? Obviously it should be possible for the US to lose or back down and Cuba to have nukes stationed on it.
>>2494093Yeah you're right, comparing it to Cuba is pretty stupid as it does downplay the threat since these are actual nukes (not just missiles) and they aren't controlled by a rational actor, but by a hyperviolent terrorist state that bombs Germany's allies all over the world. However, in my defense, a situation as completely insane as the one presented in TNO doesn't even exist in human history. It's just the closest one there is.>>2494094Sweden in-game actively wages war against Germany and her allies across the world and is depicted as a highly belligerent, irrational state that funds and arms black liberation movements across Africa. What you say only makes sense if Sweden was depicted as a normal country but they're not. For some reason, it's depicted as being the most aggressive country on earth and does more than all of the OFN to fuck over Germany in Africa.
>>2494091While I agree that sweden is way too gung ho in tno, I think this portrayal is a bit of an exaggeration. They don’t fund “terror” groups in europe and support german “anti terror” operations in the eastern europe, but they do provide refugee status to western european leftist partisans pretty easily which germany pressures them to release. They do arm anti colonial guerillas, that’s true, but sweden isn’t actively bombing pakt troops. That’s like saying russia is was bombing US troops in vietnam because they sold mortars to the viet cong, or germany is at war with russia because they give ukraine weapons. Also german pressure can and does make the social democrats tone down their BS down to simple humanitarian aid.
>>2494102>They don't support and arm terrorists!>They just support and arm anti-colonial forces that kill Pakt forces, teeheeYou're genuinely hopeless if you don't understand that Germany would rightly consider this and everything else you're trying to downplay as active support for terrorism and the dev is frankly psychotic for having Germany be fine with it with the excuse that Germany needs their help against the Russian chudz. All you're doing is trying to rationalize an insane case of a dev's political wish fulfillment.
>>2494108I’m not saying that germany wouldn’t view it as that, i’m saying that they aren’t in an active state of war or actively engaged in belligerent activity. Germany recognizes that sweden is valuable economically, yet dislikes them fucking with their sphere, so they would probably leverage economic sanctions and restrictions on shipping if they continue to offensively aid colonial guerillas. If they continue to have a belligerent government (aka the swedish liberals and conservatives) they could always increase sanctions and start to police air traffic until the swedish populace votes for a more pliable government. It’s not like germany does nothing to respond to swedens behavior, they just use more diplomatic and economic pressure to ensure swedish compliance because they still value their trading relationship. (sweden produces a lot more than iron and even then, their iron is really really good compared to russian stuff)
Where does Nikola Tesla's time machine fit in to all this?
>>2493682>>2493699>>2493732>>2493783Shut.The.Fuck.Up.Mike.My estimations of RA have plummeted knowing you’re in their circle you fat retard.
if Mike were to stop samefagging to defend every new TNO skeleton that gets leaked we’d have the same thread for the next two months
>>2493996I don't remember which version it was exactly but if I remember right you had to up the number in the descriptor file. I.E. if it said 1.1.1 on the file, you had to edit it to 1.1.2 and then load with that version. And you really do need to edit it cause otherwise it crashes.
>>2494124Obviously a dev op to tarnish the reputation of RA. Godwinson was just thanking a guy for reporting a bug
>>2494148In anon’s defense Mike is the one claiming to be RA team >>2493509
>>2494152He was speaking on their behalf. If i’m saying “the RA team says thanks”- from the RA team. it doesn’t mean that the messenger is a part of the team From what I know, the only people on the team are sooty soot and GodWinSon. Mike is prolly too busy with other shit
Are there any leaks for Brazil or the new OFN mechanic?
>>2494183The ofn mechanic is fake even mango said so publicly. https://files.catbox.moe/ujfmy7.pdf Red Brazil https://mega.nz/folder/A0oVEa5T#4veC7I5QIlLFpBjCGsmHtQ Theres a Quadros file somewhere in hereFlowchart up to tno 2 https://files.catbox.moe/bgj0s6.jpeg I’ll post the Vargas jr and junta doc towwmrow
>>2494187Thank you. How recent is the Junta/Vargas Jr stuff?
>>2494116This is nonsense though. It's completely out of character for them. But you're repeating yourself and it's clearly completely meaningless to discuss this with you because you just keep regurgitating the official explanation like it's a refutation of the criticism and not the source of it. We could apply this psychotic nonsense to plenty of places where Germany could be extremely pragmatic but aren't because it's run by the NSDAP. But they get pushed around by a small country and almost exclusively use diplomacy and gently ask them to stop shoving their tranny cock up their ass. Please don't write another paragraph where you explain that Germany is cool with Sweden fighting to liberate Africa because they rationally realize that they could never defeat Russia without their aid. We all know that it's there because it's the dev's political dream just like everything in Yippie that makes no sense is Mango's cope sesh about Trump winning the election.
>>2494196Vargas Jr https://files.catbox.moe/d1s15g.pdf Novermber of 2024Junta https://files.catbox.moe/zcbaed.pdf June of 2026Old and probably outdated Goulart Chart https://files.catbox.moe/as87tg.png
Why is Sweden in TNOTL so perfidious now?>actively funds Milorg which blows up infrastructure and kills Norwegian politicians>gives refuge to Danish commie terrorists>harbors members of the French resistance, which is basically an arm of the CIA due to the Free French >harbors members of the British leftist resistance who also go on frequent bombing campaigns in British urban areas>allows the smuggling of banned goods into Germany such as pornography and American music>funds and actively arms guerrillas that kill pakt allies and German soldiers>funding the Romanians in the Transylvania war against Hungary, a German allyBut they provide nominal aid in Finland for the express purpose of sidelining German influence and also do some shit in Pakistan so that means that all of this shit is fine and without TeEhEe NeUtRaL Sweden there to stab them in the back, Germany will not survive. Himmler is the only FĂĽhrer who sees these creatures as what they really are, dogs who deserve a leash so that they don't bite everyone around them. I'm surprised nobody can just embargo Sweden entirely, considering the Baltic is a German lake and Norway is a puppet. Let's see how strong your institutions are when people are starving.
>>2494232whiter than you heinrich
>>2494232You know if Italy was the superpower this wouldn't be happening.
>>2494232>WhyIt's just a lead dev's Mary Sue power fantasy. Saves the blacks, beats the Russian chuds and the big bad breaks character to let them get away with all the foiling of their plans. Peak Reddit.
>>2494211Thank you so much. Do you have anything else?
>>2493996Check the farms
>>2494140>>2494421Yeah got it to load on the current game version, download was fucked so thats what caused the crash
>>2494346Or anything for Mexico
>>2494525Shut the fuck up Mike. Your begging for scraps of nothing ever happening is fucking pathetic. Stop bumping the thread with this shit several times a day you spamming cunt.
>>2493682>>2493779>>2493921Load of knuckle dragging retard shit you’re spewing I hope for your sake you’re just a dev playing defense and not this mindfucked by choice. Invading Argentina is stupid-the dynamism and deviation from otl means dick if it’s replaced by complete lore breaking nonsense like this if this is your attempt to try and pivot the narrative to it being ironically based like nuking Haiti I'm here to tell you it won’t work once people realize it contradicts the main US rework and this shit probably isn’t even getting finished in time anyway ROFL
>>2494636The whole>Why aren't you happy when we add wars?line makes me think it's a dev. They tried to do the same thing when they added the Haiti nuke and even complained that people should support it since they liked Omsk... Without realizing that maybe - just maybe - there's a reason why nuclear revenge against Nazism works and while America nuking random blacks out of impotent rage gets treated as comedy.
I’ve just come to a realization. Everyone involved with this mod are basically all lolcows. The devs are basically the smarmy liberal lolcows who seethe about trolls and pretend they are smarter than everyone, The detractors are schizophrenics who belive that everyone who disagrees with them is either a dev or mike, so they constantly bite on bait, feed the trolls, and get into shit flinging contests and the fans are lolcows because they consume product regardless of where it comes from because it supposedly “owns” the other side (example: “i’m owning the chuds at RA by playing tno main!” or “I’m owning the tno devs by playing RA!”) It’s not really a shock that basically everyone involved here are turbo autistic borderline lolcows considering this is a paradox game and we know the target demographic of those games, but it still bears mentioning
>>2494669Oh but it’s a good thing you’re here now, this thread had the devs and detractors already but what we were really really missing was an enlightened centrist nigger like yourself to sniff out their crusty unwiped ass for exhaust fumes and to act above it all for us. Nah but seriously, shut the fuck up Mike.
just play thousand week reich nigga
>>2494709>"oh you don't like certain aspects of smth? Why don't you play a worse more boring version of it?"
>>2494709>>2494784You know at this point TWR might actually be the superior version, even more so if the reworks drop and all the gameplay finally gets removed. It's a shitty NAFOwank mod but at least they're not actively removing all conflicts from the mod, their China and Japan content has seen more development since TNO after Guangdong and they aren't removing the GCW. Yes, I'd honestly rather play that piece of shit at this point if you put a gun to my head and made me choose that sounds like the lesser of two evils. How the mighty have fucking fallen.
>>2494792>rutranny seething about NAFO out of nowhere
>>2494792are you stupid? boring mod that is half vanilla style 30 day for 1 factory focuses. China and Japan have been in dev longer than Yippie and it took them like3 yrs to pump out an unfinished ME update. At least if I play TNO Brazil or Guangdong im half-engaged. TFR bores me to death even in the acceptable content like Russia (which scolds u more than TNO if you choose a communist).
>>2494797The devs Are unironic NAFO people and the mod is an unironic liberal power fantasy where the west gets to be the good guys while Germany has the inverse of the plot armor from TNO. Both mods are awful because they're heavily influenced by the neolib biases of their devs. If you knew anything about the mod and team you'd know that it's hardly "out of nowhere".>>2494804You didn't even read the post you replied to. The guy clearly hates TWR too. Why the hell are you even arguing about it? It's just a bum fight between the two mods.
>>2492181>anti-german folk germanicismwtf does this even mean
>>2494809even the ridiculed Africa's DV rework doesn't portray the West as the side that doesn't do any wrong. Half the plot is Japan funneling money to African left-wing nationalists against their enemies backed by the OFN (moreso if the UK joins their side)
>>2494809I think its clear the TWR is actual neolibs while TNO is DSA left.
>>2494831Both suck shit.
>>2494809Again? Got anything to say about "butthurt belters" and Russia not being able to seize its former territories? Stop seething over a fiction and help your country IRL by feeding yourself to a ukranian drone.
>>2494878If it were just that on its own it wouldn't even be that bad, but the reworks are contradicting themselves at this point. Germany has plot armor and nukes Gorky because some russoid stole a pig from a German settler or some shit? But the same Germany happily sits in the cuck chair while Sweden builds up a nuclear program and stabs them in the back on basically every front minus >checks notesPakistan, as if the Germs wouldn't bomb every single reactor in Swedish territory if we were going off the logic used to justify nuking Gorky?Whatever. All this mod does is appeal to sub-brick IQ retards with serious cases of political brainrot now.
>>2494035fuck no
Is there anything on Moskowien ? or is it just really dead with nothing left other than a shitty skeleton content?
>>2494910Fuck off Mike you fucking dipshot. Moskowien's been dead for years. Kill yourself.
Old Moskowien Design Dochttps://files.catbox.moe/0y8i3q.pdf
>>2494942Hoaxes and lies but probably not intentional.This isn't the old Moskowien proposal, it's the proposal for ONE of the four MCW contenders. Sadly we don't know how many of the other contenders had finished documents and we don't have any of their contents. The fact that ONE of their old scrapped docs is ten times the size of the whole nudev rework doc alone is telling though, isn't it? The lazy devcritters could never compete with what their predecessors did. Not in size, scope or quality. They always fall behind.
The South American Spine PDFhttps://files.catbox.moe/ojsz42.pdf
>>2494986Someone bring back the Chilean civil war content from 2022 I swear to God
>>2494986Holy shit this is ancient, back when burgundy was this secret spy state. Thanks for leaking we need to have a generalized archive somewhere
>>2495007I miss sci-fi TNO.
>>2495014There’s always a future with RASpeaking of, man they need more devs. The ship is undermanned while the storms blow on the high seas
>>2493487Dunno if any of you fine gentlemen noticed but there is a hint in this flowchart at tnos nect big thing: Regional Organizations
>>2495028Dude we knew about that because it came with the yippie git, we know how it works, it’s basically a faction within a faction
>>2495014Same. The soft-sci fi stuff in TNO mixed with its retro elements were so freakin' good. So of course the devniggers would cut it in favor of a shitty, sterile version of the OTL cold war.
>>2495034I have a diffrent opinion since I personally think the irl cold war was pretty cool and I didn’t really care for the sci fi aspects of old tno. But I don’t disparage you for holding that opinion, you can enjoy both versions since it’s really a matter of personal taste for what you enjoy for alternate history
>>2494986Textbook example of OTLism. These guys escaped to South America when they had no other option left so they must be there in TNOTL too for some reason
>>2495124This shit is ancient, Back when burgundy was still relevant in development (so like 5 years ago) This is basically pacifica wikiscraping for some burgundy content before he left the mod and everyone agreed to scrap the malformed aborted fetus known as burgundy
>>2495126>Completely different guy credited >"Man sure am glad the nudevs spent five years and counting deleting Burgundy and replacing it with nothing!"Ok devnigger.
>>2495126Burgundy was unfiltered kino.
>>2495128They replaced it with germany, what else were you going to do with it with the new direction? The tag was basically useless when global plans got taken out, so why keep it? Nostalgia?I’d rather have a himmler path for germany with schizo aryan race science and aryan hookup camps rather than him running a glorified concentration camp that does nothing for the entire game then dies in a one sided war that’s lasts less than 1 month
>>2495157>They ruined the tag on purpose and gutted it so there was no point in keeping it>We have a new direction for the mod therefore deleting everything is justified Wow, awesome argument there. They create problems that justify their reworks and this is nothing new but I have no interest in discussing that point since I like the Himmler route and it's the one plan of theirs that sounds fun based on what little we know about it. So why is it still shit and why are you wrong to shill it? Simple: as of January this year they'd completed approximately 1% of that route so no, they replaced it with nothing. It's never releasing. If it took them half a decade to not finish Bormann you're not seeing any of the stuff you praised outside of a flowchart that gets perpetually reworked. It's also very fair to assume that everything good about it will be thrown out too. You said it yourself: all that schizo content doesn't fit in with the new direction of the mod and this excuse will almost certainly be used to neuter it so at the end of the day in maybe 4 years you'll be telling people that gutting the sixth Himmler rework flowchart was good, actually.
>>2495165Burgundy was gutted in the Pacifica era because half of the content didn't work and the half that did was dogshit.No one is nostalgic for what Burgundy used to play like, they feel robbed of a vision of what it could have been
>>2495172As always it loops back to you just defending removing content. Anyway yes it started to be gutted ages ago and yes Burgundy had issues but the lie by omission is that back then there were plans to create a Burgundy replacement and it was far more justified to believe that the Himmler content (which we still know very little about because no progress has been made in years) would actually release. But to return to my main point that you ignored because you can't refute it: none of the Himmler path has verifiably been completed in several years, it is ever releasing and at this point it's a pipe dream at best and at worst a deliberate ruse to silent critics of the reworks. So what I said earlier is objectively correct: if V&J drops (big if) then the tag is deleted and replaced with nothing because work on the replacement hadn't even started as of some months ago.
>>2495173But Burgundy had basically 0 interactions with the rest of the world outside of Heydrich winning the GCW.If Yippie released tomorrow (lol) the only real thing that will have ever been removed from Burgundy would have been it's "wait 50 days to read an event" tree. Everything else is just a vision that never materialized yet people have been yearning half a decade for, at which point you can just get mad at Panzer for selling smoke and mirrors previous to release if in need of a culpritI'm gonna get called a dev for this post but at this point I'm just convinced TNO, from devs to discord dwellers to this thread can be described as a mass delusion event as>>2494669said
>>2495176You're not even replying to what I'm writing. I even said that the vague plans for Himmler we know about are positive and that Burgundy had issues. But to reiterate: work hadn't even started in earnest on this content as of a handful of months ago. None of its ever releasing so they are, in fact, cutting Burgundy and replacing it with nothing. And quite frankly at this point I think it's reasonable to assume that it'll meet the same rate as the Charlemagne replacement for Burgundy that was deleted years ago. Nice shilling of your own post btw.
>try out the yippie leak>jumping between US presidents, placeholder focus trees and ZERO loc>barely playable, congress mechanic is incoherent and buggy, nothing else to do with 0 content>open the loc folder, probably around 1-2% of the events written in, mostly just hart>content not even started yet for every other president, completely barren loc files>"were confident about a 2026 release!"
>>2495242>mostly just hart... The shit they made years ago as a proof of concept for the rework.
>>2495248I told you motherfuckers back then that replacing GLENN! with some vote blue no matter who type's walkable cities and heckin trains wish fulfilment shit was a bad omen. And look where we are now.
First yippie test ever
>>2495295I miss Glenn. The idea of dabbing on Germany for getting to the moon by planting an even bigger American flag on Mars is still pretty cool. Meanwhile Hart's just the most egregious case of GIU slot out there and went on to be the template for everything in the US rework where absolutely everything's a misguided copy of Guangdong.
>>2495310>Three months until the deadline>Literally all custom mechanics in your big rework are brokenWe're about to see levels of crunch that shouldn't even be possible.
>Start Italian playthrough>One of the starting focuses is to give libyans full citizenshipI get fascism is on the decline in Italy, but how the fuck is facist Italy more progresive than the United States was in real life? Libyans somehow manage to get voting rights under fascism before the irl american civil right act? Is there some short of important lore blurb I missed out on while reading the intro for Italy?
>>2495312I know reading four words may be a hella task for people on this website, but you could try again and then reread your post
>>2495310Is this from an internal play tester or is it just someone’s thoughts from the leak earlier this year?
>>2495312Nah, that's release level quality for TNO. It will blend in perfectly (or it would, if it wasn't removing all the shit it'd blend into).
I'm kinda curious now, does anyone have the Hart chart from when it was still in dev?
>>2495322Given the wording it’s probably an internal tester >>2495310Can u share more?
any updated or more detailed flowchart for china?
>>2495626Mike you stupid cunt stop begging for shit you know hasn't been updated in months if not years several times a day for fucks sake.
Is there any new Uruguay chart
Is they're any new Bhutan chart
Is there a new Bolivia chart
Is there a new Vatican chart?
There is indeed a new Uruguay flowchart and a new Bolivia flowchart (Suriname and Australia also getting reworked btw)
>>2495668The Bolivia chart is on BiliBili but it’s in Chinese
>>2495668Didn’t Suriname already get reworked in the Iberia update? Also is the Bolivia flowchart the one from the Brazil update
>Niggas seriously discussing multiple versions of irrelevant shithole skeletons without content like it fucking matters
>>2495678Bolivia - https://files.catbox.moe/ltcy51.pdf Peru - https://files.catbox.moe/z2peku.pdf Suriname - https://files.catbox.moe/py18jn.png Melanesia Map - https://files.catbox.moe/u2pvhx.png
>>2495706Shit like this is why we'll never get actual content.
>>2495706National Labourism desc
>>2495706Is there anyway for the japs to get New Guinea back?
>>2495706Can I kiss you
>>2495706>Bolivia mining wars is shuffled around fucking over Brazil dev slightlymy head hurts
any good news?
>>2495901It's TNO. Obviously not. The only news we've had lately is that they're doing more reworks of reworks that aren't going anywhere. Nothing actually serious has been revealed since the Git leaks a few months back revealed that yes, Yippie is a complete dumpster fire. But you knew that already.
>>2495901Yippie testing has begun. It’s the first round of testing so rn things are mostly a proof of concept (the “mechanics are not functioning” thing was the same case as Lacerda when he was being tested). And also new flowcharts like Argentina got leaked
>>2495901Mango is being sentenced for firebombing a Walmart as a protest against Mamdani's regime
>>2495917Did he shart in the mart? did mango leave behind a trail of smears?
>>2495901>>2493487 - Argentina leak. It doesn't look bad but it's four years of work getting thrown out in favor of a different unplayable tag so pardon my lack of enthusiasm.>>2495310 - First Yippie tests. If this is the state now and considering the scope I'm 50-50 on whether 2027 is realistic for a release.>>2492181 - New Sweden drama. Honestly completely irrelevant other than that the dev posts here. He's caving to /vst/ by re-adding his own versions of content that was cut years ago in yet another scope expansion.In short: absolutely no real news only leaks of content that'll never release. At least they're changing from the pure OTLism a little?
>>2495917>>2495918You've got Mango mixed up with QPQuartering. And he was protesting Kaiserreich, not Mamdani.
>>2495919>Argentina leakYou cannot convince me that the idea wasn't already being discussed about before the takeover.
I feel like I need to see more evidence to make an accurate prediction on yippies release. I’m still firm in july 4th release but I might be wrong.
>>2495929That wouldn't make any sense. The last version of Argentina was being worked on after the takeover. Why would they update it, fine tune it and adjust parts of it in-game if they were also talking about deleting everything? Not that it's unlike them to waste time admittedly.
>>2495929The change is because the Argentina dev realized Peron existing didn’t make sense.
>>2495944Why does he not make sense?
>>2495950Because he was a part of a pro-Allies faction within the military after the Coup in 1943.
>>2495950In the late 1930s (so it would carry over into the Dewey administration in TNO) the US began a pan American project in response to Great Depression tariffs and the rise of extremism inspired by Germany (Brazil’s military, for example, was equivocating between receiving aid from America of Germany or both unto WW2 started). Brazil viewed this as something they could co-opt, essentially becoming a conduit for American power in South America and therefore receive American support and backing in putting SA in their sphere of influence. Argentina, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction. They viewed American intervention extremely negatively. Idk the specifics of the 1943 June Revolution, but the GOU, of which Peron was a part, came to power after said revolution (these guys are currently in power in TNO in 1962). Because of the axis defeat in Europe, America was able to pressure Argentina into reforming and holding elections. With Germany winning, Argentina was able to resist American pressure, presumably radicalizing once Germany was able to send aid across the Atlantic. Peron only came to power after the 1943 Revolution, so it’s likely he didn’t gain influence in the government because of Argentina’s rightward shift.
>>2495955Or that.
>>2495950Peron doesn’t have as strong a base as he did irl because the axis won the war. And because the axis won, the interior minister, Luis Cesar Perlinger and his faction of pro axis radicals won out in the military and government rather than what happened irl, which was him being ousted by peron. Perlinger then establishes a one party fascist dictatorship which departs from our timeline. Argentina is pretty weird tho because they view themselves as anti imperialists which causes problems since the nazis openly support african imperialism so the argentines flip flop a lot between more pro italy and more pro germany. None of the leaders (except the very small amount of liberals) are pro US but there is one that is pro japan (who also happens to run the local open nazi party, but also feels betrayed by germany for their imperialism in africa. Yeah argentina is pretty weird ngl)
>>2495706Do you have the Paraguay flowchart?
>>2495962That Nazi guy is an absolute lion. Also ironic that Argentina sends aid to Iberia in the Angola proxy.
>>2495964what’s odd is that he has the most normie american name of all timeLike his name is joe baxter, and he looks like a parks and rec character. It’s almost comedic to a degree
>>2495968You find some funny people when you look into neo Nazi larpers I guess.
>>2495944>He just suddenly realized that Peron existing didn't make sense>After working on it for 4 yearsOh, you mean like how the devs suddenly just happened to realize that the MCW didn't make sense after the old Russia lead was removed from the equation? And no one bothered to point any of this out in nearly half a decade? Likely story from the most drama-ridden team on the planet, the same team that thinks otl Africa is fine in an Axis victory timeline and that Sweden saving the niggers from Germany is the height of realism. I get the historical arguments made further down the line and this is way less egregious than the others in that regard but obviously someone was purged or left. Either way TNO team just threw away thousands of hours on a killed skeleton AGAIN. And when then they don't even make the replacement playable.
>>2495963Bro, its already implemented.
Shame Argentina content was 99.99999% completed until it was killed for another rework
>>2496018Hasn’t argentina dev been dead for a while now? we haven’t gotten a teaser for a couple years at least
>>2495999That’s making the assumption that people were consistently working on content for argentina. Since it’s a fan made mod, development usually ebs and flows. The last teaser we got for argentina was like 3-4 years ago so after the initial leaks, the argentina team probably dispersed to other projects and the devs are just now coming back to the tag this also happened to italy, greece, turkey, and canada where teams feverishly work on some content, then totally forget about it for years
>>2496080Extremely unlikely since we received leaks showing that they were at least making adjustments to several of these even when teasers weren't happening. Given the nature of the team it's fair to assume that someone was removed or that a lead made a call that necessitated a total rework. Sorry but when you have a total rework where literally everything's deleted and planned to be replaced that's a sign that everyone involved in the first version's just gone. Even your examples like Italy strengthen this. That tag and others weren't completely reworked until a lead was thrown out.
>>2496088I think the Argentine lead has pretty much stayed the same since CSS, although the team did change as people left and joined
>>2496005Not all of it. If only goes up to 1967.
>>2496119Which is weird, because prior to the Crow and the Bull there already was a Paraguay skeleton up to the Oil Crisis with the Chaco war included. This new skeleton has less content for some reason.
>>2495706This Suriname is abysmal dogshit. It is literally the embodiment of nuTNO design. What color you want your nothingburger to be: blue or pink? This is especially frustrating since Suriname already has an okay skeleton, and for some incomprehensible reason they decided to rework it.I kind of get the need to redo the Bolivian one since they are remaking Argentina from scratch, but it would really help if they for once abided by their own rule not to rework recently completed countries.
>>2496320TMT Suriname is the exact same "nuTNO design"Except here you get a socialist path or whatever
>>2496318That content was pretty janky and also didn’t really have anything post 1965 besides the war.
>>2496339I mean shit it was at least a herrenvolk democracy that made the tag a lot more interesting. Having it be some faggy democracy when it could be kingdom in exile kino is just an objective downgrade
>>2496374You could totally play into the angle that america is doing the exact same thing as germany in propping up dying colonial empires but I guess someone had to intervene to make the tag objectively worse
You can tell there's a lot of Mangoite damage control going on from the amount of posts that are basically>No one did any work until those handsome nudevs took over>The old builds were all terrible until Mango saved the abandoned mod without contentetc etc
Incredible things on TNO’s official Discord.
>>2496459Nigga this is a war game i wanna play wars not burn my eyes staring at neon GUIs.
>>2496518>Waiter, the war is cold in my cold war mod.lol.
>>2496459>You're a Nazi for preferring a German W over otlism in an Axis victory mo>Denying that otl Africa is mostly otl other than Sweden driving all of decolonization somehow >Wanting gameplay is bad just treat it as a book>Pretending that unplayable skeletons count as content as opposed to multiple playable tagsIndustrial grade copium from tone deaf motherfuckers.>>2496538The TNO dev explicitly mocks people that want to control units, dude. First one on the right. Really tells you the mindset of the devs that want to turn it into a VN instead of a strategy game with a healthy mix of different gameplay types including conventional wars.
>>2496543Meme wasn't made by a tno dev
>>2496543>multiple playable tags Oh you mean the guaranteed failstates that no one ever plays anymore because the content is really shit? >sweden driving decolonization Nigga forgot japan, the azad hind, ghana, and the united states existed >Wanting gameplay is bad DV has more gameplay, not less. German africa had no gameplay past the SAF. same for america >OTL africa Not true, Europe willingly decolonized by the late 50s, whereas in tno they hold on. Just because borders are similar doesn’t mean that this isn’t a big change. Africa is the primary theater of the cold war in tno, which has some rather major implications
>>2496568Go away devnigger/Mangoloid Mike, we know that they're just skeletons and the fact that you don't understand why people make fun of BNWO Sweden and not a superpower tipping the scales in WAC says more than enough about how either disingenuous or stupid you are. As is expected from someone unironically shilling DV.
>>2496572I like DV because I'm racist and support colonialism
>>2496579Fuck off Mike you dumb count you even admitted on the Farms that a lot of it's just your headcanon you stupid fuck. Imagine having someone like you being their strongest supporter - you'd think Mango would kill himself over less.
>>2496572I like DV because I'm anti racist and support Pan Africanism
are the devs still prentending yippie is coming out this year?
>>2495312>crunching on a volunteer projectliterally nowhere else would you see this kind of shit. The TNO devs are genuinely deluded
Mango chimped out when he saw a screenshoot of the Peronist USSR, and the rest of the team was mad at the Argentine team for being unable to pull out their overscoped plans, so they told them to rework it from the ground IRC
>>2496650>Peronist USSRwut>"Hey you guys took too long to finish so start over, increase scope and connect it to several more tags"That's so retarded I can actually believe it from this team.
>>2496654If Peron aligned Uruguay, Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia they could form the Union of Latin Justicialist Republics.
>>2496654It could have been kino...
>>2496579You are stupidly easy to bait, please point out mike in the room for me if he’s here.
>>2496664>>2496675No wonder why Kateryna and his cronies was seething about Peron earlier: >>2495944 >>2495955Didn't do any work my ass. These niggas be seething about kino being cooked.
>>2496459The only person more retarded than a nuTNO dev is a nuTNO fan I swear to god. At least wait for the update to actually come out before gloating about it.
>>2496698>Otlist Argentina, people hate it>Althist Argentina, people hate itDamned if you do, damned if you dont
>>2496782People don't hate it because it's either of them it's because the current one's fine for a skeleton and throwing out several years of work for a rightist junta feels like a waste.
>>2496704>wait for the update to actually come out
>>2496785Counter Point Goy
Argentina Lead
>>2496459>I don't read the events, I just wanted play with divisions
>>2496960Even most tno fans don’t read the events, they just gdp max, larp, and choose what policies suit their own politics TNO is fun when you can embrace the larp. Manchuria is the perfect example of the potential kino that comes from larping since that tag is beloved despite the lack of wars it participates in (same goes for guandong) When I play speer, it’s fun to be the nazi. when I play japan, it’s fun to be the anti imperialist imperialist. When I play the USA, it’s fun to dunk on whoever my political opponents are irl but in an axis victory timeline We must embrace the larp
>>2496980This is why I don’t understand people who don’t like Mexico. I feel like they have great LARPability, compounded by the fact that their own government LARPs as revolutionary.
>>2496989People don’t like Mexico because it is a demo and a third world country
>>2496989>We're a third world corrupt dysfunctional democracy with a totally unique ideology which is just a blend of socialism and nationalism
>>2496989Imagine being so mentally ill and stupid that you don't understand the difference between LARPing as a Zaibatsu overlord in Guangdong and LARPing as a mid-level pencil pusher in the agricultural department of a third world shithole.
Guangdong is a third world shithole
>>2497068only if you're a cant*n
>>2496980For me its Societal Development >Poverty >GDP, whatever politics and proxies allow me to improve those, I'll do those
>>2496980Manchuria is not playable anon. What are you talking about?
>>2497169I referred to it as potential kino.People really like the potential there even though it doesn’t have a lot of traditional hoi4 wars in its planned content all it can do is intervene in some siberian shit and the occasional japanese proxy and that’s about it really, but people like it because it’s one big larp state
>>2497051It’s close enough for me. Both Guangdong and Mexico are all about maintaining political stability while maximizing GDP, but Mexico has the added bonus of having their own sphere and being anti-US.
>>2496989I don't like Mexico because it's econ GUI interacts poorly with TT economy menu. Guandong works much better in this department. Mexico also spams you with events every day or two, I wish devs color-coded different storylines, so I could choose which ones I want to read.
>>2497185I think the events are really nice if you are willing to slow your playstyle down from 5 speed to 3 or 4 speed. Mexico just has a lot more density in terms of its content.
Also does anyone have the Social Patriotism description?
>>2497344Shut the fuck up, Mike.>>2497345Shut the fuck up, Mike.
Anyone have a Tonga flowchart
>>2497388what the fuck is a tonga?
>>2497394ayrt is mimicking Mike's posts asking for useless shit no1currs about. Ignore.
>>2497397I think it's really funny how much seething there is when someone asks a normal question
Is this not the TNO leak thread? I can’t ask for leaks now? What the fuck else am I supposed to do, complain?
>>2497403Yeah, this is basically the complain about tno until someone tosses a leak in here. Shits pretty rough in here considering the denizens of the thread tend to be jilted autists who continue to post on a thread for a “dead mod” 6 years after its release
>>2497406Since I’m in such a sour mood, someone should post the Gran Colombia chart to make me feel better
>>2497426Sorry, this post was bad even for me
>>2496960>Manchuria is the perfect example of the potential kino that comes fromThey brought Yugo back from the dead and dragged Manchuria over the finish line?
>>2497478Unfortunately no. It’s painful for all of us manchuria bros. All we have is a new flowchart
>>2497399>begging for scraps (flowcharts for irrelevant Pacific island skeletons that really shouldn't exist)Pathetic.
>>2497496Yeah, a new flowchart, what does it bring new ?Fucking nothing, no playable content, just hopes and a somewhat updated skeleton.This is just like being a starving somalian child and watching the UN pass by with food and not stopping
Senior devs are discussing deleting Manchuria because it's not "realistic"
>>2497651obvious bait
Anyone got the full Katanga flowchart?
Welcome to the TNO thread! Here we have:>legacyzergs who overdose on RA regularly and accept that the mod is dead and buried>trollerinos dunking on people who still think that the mod will get updated (kek) and who somehow managed to get mindraped by that one, particular autist in denial>devs waiting to be purged by the Mangoloid and looking at the place they will visit in the coming 2 years to either shill or shit (or somehow both)>lurkers and leakers, the only people who are not wasting oxygenNever change, /schizo/ general.
>>2487220The right answer is the latter, Sablin spawns later
Haven't played this mod in a long while does Russia still have the faction that crawls out of a radio silence snowy wasteland empty space? I think it was a christian/religious faction and they don't appear until a few years into the start
>>2498155If you mean the Divine Mandate in Siberia then no, TNO made it unplayable because they've been planning to move it... For four years. You can still play it in Reauiem and Rises Again though. They're fan forks btw if you were gone for so long that you missed the new era of what's "okay".>>2498160Neither will release so it hardly matters.
>>2488867 (replied to the wrong post)thank god they are making park chung hee more accurate. I hated the last depiction because it did not depict park accurately at all>>2498161>Neither will release so it hardly matters.depressing
>>2488892> peruse a chaebol model instead of outright nationalizationpark chung hee was actually at one point planning to nationalize the chaebols back in the early 1960s. So I could see him pursuing total nationalization
>>2498168It’s not implausible, however park was generally economically pragmatic and recognized economic necessities. The current state of manchuria is that things suck due to an austerity program from the state and when the economy is basically ran by the state….I think you can see the problem here. My reading is that park would give mangyo subsidiary’s more autonomy to more efficiently allocate capital along with a big drive for foreign investment by funneling zaibatsu funds into Manchurian owned assets. But there are still quotas and state planning just a delegation down of obligations to cut down on costs (see the privatizations of the meji era, but a lot more toned down) The flowchart suggests that park would reverse course entirely on austerity and implement a program of high defecit spending to both maintain the nationalized system and restore growth. However this would cause a lot of inflation whereas my proposal would still have inflation, but a lot less and moreover the economy would be a on a lot more stable footing due to the general dispersal of capital among various sectors Moreover drains on the economy (IE opium, drug dens, brothels) will be integrated under direct state control with the yakuza being directly integrated into the state apparatus while a general crackdown is implemented on all other crime families. This strategy allows for criminal elements to be controlled and it gives the state a much more regulated and optical system of funding. Unit 731 would also be reorganized to prevent the more sadistic experiments while providing a steady stream of criminals for the team to torture and sell their organs to the market
>>2498213this is a smart and logical proposal
