What the absolute fuck happened? Is it actually over for HoloEN?
>>104026567Yes it is. Follow it to afterlife by killing yourself.
HoloEN had a rough 2023 and 2024 because of mismanagementalso why a lit of them leftstill not as bad as the other corpos lmao
>>104026567It's all over for EN vtubing world.
>>104026567Advent didn't do as well as expected
>>104026567hard to carry that fat homocollaber
Yes, she unretwee- wait, wrong thread
>>104026567>Comparing Myth's final anniversary together as a full unit before 2 graduations to advent's 2nd anniRope yourself
>>104026567People are watching political streamers now. There was a drought of political content between 2020 and 2024.
>>104027134Anon, no one knew that Ame and Gura were leaving at that moment. But i do agree with you that Op should rope himself, numbers are at a low everywhere
>>104027134That was also their second anni live and they didn't know anyone was graduating
>>104026567someone post the overlap
>>104026567heckitty heck
>>104026567Their bots stopped working after the update
>>104026652they got real lucky everyone else managed to do worse desu, imagine a timeline where everyone else was steady it wouldn't be so easy
>>104026567>Is it actually over for HoloEN?No, but the YouTube age verification system is heavily culling numbers for EN vtubers. All those bait threads for Nimi and Saba were dumb when you consider how much the cull is also hurting the EN side of Hololive.
>>104026652>HoloEN had a rough 2023 and 2024 because of mismanagement2021 and 2022 weren't better.
>>104026567I am still boycotting anything with Shiori in it
>>104026567GRIMWORST GEN 3D LIVE NUMBERS FOR HOLOLIVE
Is this board just the following now;>Hololive gets affected by cullHOLOLIVE IS DEAD GLORY TO INDIES>Indie gets affected by cullINDIES ARE DEAD GLORY TO HOLOLIVE
>>104026567The casuals are leaving but that's a good thing, they can focus on their core audience now.
>>104028769Kinda wild how Hololive is the better corpo just because the competition is just plain evil, stealing from charities or driving poeple to attempt suicide.
>>104032009Humans have been conditioned to take pleasure in the struggle of others
>>104026567To your containment thread /#/ monkey
>>104026567People are fetishisticaly attached to Myth because they associate it with the "golden age" of HololiveEN, despite the fact that they are absolute shit as a unit and only have merit as individual talents. No new gen will ever come close to their popularity.
>>104033069Also because it was still tied to JP, even if their collabs were often clumsy.
>>104026567I only watch indies
>>104033174Mori and Kiara, for sure.The rest...IDK, Anon. How was AmeSame ever "tied to JP"? Pretty sure EN was always meant to be its own thing.
>>104033069Seethe Advent baby. You don't get to tell anyone what is good if you started watching vtubers by the time the lockdown lifted.
>>104033467I came in before Council debuted, but thanks for proving my point. Stop living in the past. The lockdowns are history, your seniority means jack-shit and Holo needs to evolve in order to survive in a post-Covid world.
>>104033620>I'm conveniently an EN oldfag when it supports my argumentRight...>Holo needs to evolve in order to survive in a post-Covid worldWrong. Holo needs to look back into the past and remember what made them so great in the first place. The Holo then was all fun and games, and people loved that. The Holo now is all merch and shilling, and a little of the spirit has gone. We honestly need a bit of reactionism to revitalize Hololive.
>>104033661Calling people who came in 2021 "oldfags" is a bit of a stretch but who cares...The Holo from 2020-2022 was a product of its time and can NEVER be brought back, especially not the way it persist in your nostalgia-rotten memory. Merch is a good example. They need to make money somehow. Simply relying on donos may have worked swimmingly during the pandemic, but that has dried up massively. If that ruins the fun for you and you can't deal with change, I seriously suggest you should move on instead of ruining the fun for people who still have it.
>>104026586fpbpDramaniggers can succeed at life with this one simple trick
>>104026567Is it just me or are vtubers just going out of style? I was all over this shit till like a year or two ago, but now I barely care. Only few ones I watch now are ASMR ones for the usual cooming.
So that's it? Saba wins? Just like that?
>>104026567What is this site? Where you guys get all this info?
>>104026567that's a lot of people watching, but compared to their early days? then an outfit reveal under 100K was considered 'meh' now they can't even get close to that with concerts, just 1/4th of that. even 60K from last year would be considered grim
how long have indiefags been going on about this, hololive still reigns supreme
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>>104026567Damn that's Grim really overrated manufactured Gen.
>Shiori>FWMCYeah, no thanks. I might be able to tolerate the griffer dogs on their own but Shiori is an automatic thumbs down, hide and don't recommend.
>>104026567it makes perfect sense, advent is the worst gen
>>104026671Shylily's bots will save us
>>104026567grim
>>104032102>Kinda wild how Hololive is the better corpo just because the competition is just plain evil, stealing from charities or driving poeple to attempt suicide.Cover does have flaws but their competition is so much worse that it's almost baffling. Most of the small indie corpos are too niche to steal the HoloEN fan base. Yagoo is lucky that no large company in the EN market wanted to offer CGDCT content and that many of them decided to copy NijiEN.>>104033841>The Holo from 2020-2022 was a product of its time and can NEVER be brought back, especially not the way it persist in your nostalgia-rotten memory. Merch is a good example. They need to make money somehow.Cover was making a huge amount of money and the problem is they used that money to hire hundreds of new employees (which vastly increases costs) and to invest in HoloEarth which requires tremendous resources to develop. They don't need constant merch shilling to survive they need it because of how much they are now spending. HoloEarth will mostly be focused on the Japanese market so their biggest money pit will mean almost nothing to the EN fans.
>>104026567Shiori debuff
>>104041127>to invest in HoloEarth which requires tremendous resources to develop>their biggest money pitI see people parroting this lie all the time, and I still don't understand why when people can literally see how much they spend on it in the financial reports.
>>104041990We have no idea how many employees at Cover are really working on HoloEarth. Yagoo has little reason to honestly report on that since he doesn't want to scare investors but Metaverse games are notorious for turning into money pits. The amount of money that Facebook wasted on Meta is absolutely insane considering it looked like garbage.
>>104026567>stream has shiorii won't watch it.
>>104026567>Post AFO concert fatigue>Nobody promoted it at all>2nd anniversary was a fucking month agoIt’s pretty obvious what happen desu
>>104026567No , Myth is just Old School
Why do you faggots care so much about numbers? You're acting like a bunch of women gossiping about their co-workers
>>104026567What compels these shitposters to talk smack about Holo when everyone else is doing much much much worse ?
>>104026567>Is it actually over for HoloEN?it never started
>>104030440Same... f-you, Shiori
>Shiori being a slutI have better things to watch
>>104044038it's called "cope"
>>104044038no one gives a shit about anyone else. hololive is the only one that matters.
>>104044038Nimi losing to Kiara like a shitter deflection
>>104044038Since the Cover bootlickers throw shit at other vtubers and than complain when anons mention that Hololive numbers have also taken a nose dive. Advent was highly marketed and got huge numbers for their 3D collab so it's noticeable how much lower the CCV was for their anniversary live. The YouTube age verification system is heavily culling numbers for EN vtubers.
>>104026567YouTube has done something in recent weeks that has screwed up the numbers and made them completely unreliable. One more reason to stop worrying about them once and for all and just enjoy what you enjoy
>>104033661Sounds like you don't watch hololive. Curious.
>>104026567And Advent even botted that stream. Pathetic.
>>104045999You mean the falseflaggers from micro corpos pretending to be Holo fans to attack other micro corpos? Holos are too busy watching streams to do that
>>104045762Not true, just brainless Coverfags think that way
>>104044038Because that's not true? Other people aren't going down they're basically staying where they were.
>>1040500930.6%
>>104026567all this time on vt and you still dont know about the en cull?
>>104053731Kill yourself
