says working on HoloCure in its current state is "kind of painful"https://xcancel.com/holocuredev/status/1961900970377646538
and talks about eventually making the game open source
>>104086997>>104087021@grok summarize these documents
>>104086997not surprised desu, impressive he's made it this far
>>104086997Who cares if something is OP? It's a single player game. Just releave it and fix it some time after if you really want to. Such a non-issue.
>>104087021After it goes open-source, you're gonna be left with one of the best vtuber mod bases that have ever existed. The opportunities for indie or other corpo modpacks would be so high. I get the trepidation
>>104087052It says you are retarded.
>>104087052One man carries an entire mountain. The weight of the mountain presses on him.
>>104086997hololive is irrelevant now anyway who cares
>>104087166>surely the open source community won't be a clusterfuck of opposing ideas
>>104086997
>>104086997>the vibe of the project will change alotWell yeah, every indie and small corpo chubba will want and try to get their sprite and "abilities" in the game. Just to try and get some residual holo views.
>>104087021He'll have to wipe his hands clean of the game if he does that. Not cure if Cover will appreciate that very much.
>>104086997bro's hitting the Helldivers 2 plateau
>>104086997>>104087021Sounds like the game outgrew game maker with all the stuff in it.
>>104087021NijiCure and PhaseCure SOON
>>104087272It will be, but most would be happy adding themselves in to the roster when some dedicated fan makes them a mod. With his relationship to Cover right now, his worries are allowed
>>104087689if they wanted they could have done it by nowgamemaker games are stupidly easy to mod
>>104086997He started HoloCure because of Myth.Of course, the passion is gone.He should do an Indie and other corpos version.
>>104087021>>104088258I can see IndieCure happening in the future with saba as the center
>>104086997lmao i knew he was always a homobeggar at heart
>>104086997Guy seems like an obvious case of "I wanted a hobby, not a job." That's how it goes sometimes.Interestingly enough, in 20 years, he'll probably be like "Wow, I wish I could go back and do that again."
>>104088341Sounds more like he'd give up before adding in the homos
>>104088236Vampire survivors isn't even that hard to clone
>>104088341relax, he's never adding the homos at this rate
>>104088258Could be worse. Could be a Council fan. Why does this always happen to gen 2s?
>>104088341what
>>104088341You are gay, stop being gay.
>>104087021Can you even turn a Cover IP created under Cover's usage guidelines into open-source?
>>104088778>Cover IP created under Cover's usage guidelines lol
Dude is pretty proficient at making mountains outta molehills so it's not all that surprising he's obsessing over every little detail. I think he keeps trying to add dumb shit no one actually asked for in the game like holohouse and the casino. My rrrrat is he just throws in grinder shit like that so Kaela will notice him.
>>104088333He kept the game from being monetized so Cover couldn't influence its direction. "To keep it a passion project"In hindsight, this worked out. Allowing the release of its open source.
>>104088928One of the biggest burdens, he mentioned before, was that he didn't know many of the other talents. And has to watch many of their clips/vods to get an idea of what to build their abilities on.
>>104088258He literally said why development has slowed down, and it's not because of whatever headcanon you wrote. Neck yourself, indie/phasebeggar.
>>104086997K, as usual, indie devs always ready to throw away a good thing for absolutely no reason, every single time.
>>104089097Does he not have friends who oshi other talents? I also don't know about you, but after 4 updates of [Funny meme object here, do you get my reference fellow kids], I'm burnt out on that humor and would rather just play a mechanically different character. Like as long as Polka has circus stuff, and ERB swings a sword, no one is really going to be too pissy about it. Dude makes up antis in his head that say he's not a true fan and that this would somehow cause his entire downfall and his home to be taken from him.
>>104086997Who could have possibly predicted that taking a Vampire Survivors clone and stapling half a dozen other game systems onto it might make it unwieldy and unpleasant to work on.
>>104088258I mean people always claimed he was a JP fan who just never wanted to add his oshi to the game and we know he's bragged about forcing the boys in and all sorts of other shit. At this point it's obvious Kaela is his oshi because she's the only one willing to let him in her pants. The types of casuals who make fan games aren't stuck with a singular oshi, they switch to whichever's the most convenient.
>>104086997>>104087021*kaela wipping intensifies.*
>>104088984He would probably have to release a copyright-stripped framework as the only open source component if he intends to make any kind of license agreement for the project. Sounds like a pain in the ass if he can't even be bothered to get the framework free of tangled wires.
>>104089382Yeah, he couldn't keep the Hololive elements and other games made based off his work could just get taken down, the same way games could be now. It doesn't actually sidestep anything, just makes it easier for bootleggers to do what they already can do. It's not like content doesn't get made that isn't allowed, it just doesn't get promoted and broadcast in Hololive's domain.
>>104087021I hope not, theyre gnna add homos in it
>>104087021This is definitely the solution.
>>104089325>casuals who make fan games
>>104089382If he released the source code it's either a mangled mess of isolated classes, functions, and relationships, or it's the most laughably simple code ever for a game of this scale. I really refuse to believe that by the gen 2 update that the code wasn't designed in a modular and future proofed fashion since at that point the roadmap was already expansive.
>>104089271Does he have friends? Yes.Does he have friends who will do it for free? Not many.
>>104089615>He requires compensation to talk about his oshiWhat a horrifying existence that must be.
>>104089740He's been doing it without compensation.Finding others to do the same is the problem.
>>104089786You're equating coding a functional piece of software to having a conversation online with someone about their oshi.
>>104086997>>104087021Why is he being so dramatic Just use AI to vibecode lol
>>104086997>kind of painfulHe’s just fucking copying someone’s game and reskinning it
>>104089807Complain to him about it. Apparently, a conversation is not good enough, or he wouldn't have said that. It's his passion project.
>>104086997fuck this loser finish your damn game. you don't get to make the most popular holo fan game, refuse to charge money for it because "it's muh passion", and then complain about burnout. this guy is out here making the shittiest gamemaker slop on the side and pretending it's creative genius. only way he can save holocure at this point is to add the holostars and a minigame where they can touch the girls and convince management to cover it up.
>>104089951Yes he's mentally ill, I think we established that over the years.
>>104089996Yeah, suspect everyone who disagrees with you is. Enjoy your echo chamber.
>>104086997Just ask other people to help?There are surely hundreds of capable Holo fans willing and able to help with this, who would even do it for free.Holocure is also clearly the biggest Holo indie game ever made, and Cover should be financially supporting it at this point. It’s free advertising and free content for their own streamers. What is Yagoo even doing?
>>104088928And this basement-tier intellect is why I don't care for the opinions of anyone on this board. You're so stupid and uninformed one cannot even get angry over it - only sit in stunned silence. Kudos for that, I guess.
it is a bit coldblooded of Cover to take advantage of this dude they way they have
>game development is hardWow, who could’ve thought that?
>>104087186>Square-Cube Law intensifies
>>104090080they asked him how he wanted to monetize it and he refused because he's retarded. yes I know I'm replying to bait but I want everyone to know that kay yu is a retarded faggot.
>>104087348Well, the project is NOT under HoloIndies, funnily enough, so ... What can Cover do without looking like an ass?
>>104090033They offered to let him put the game under Holo Indie and he refused
>>104090033>What is Kay Yu doing?Fixed that for you. It's Kay Yu who refuses any sort of payment for Holocure, they already offered
>>104090080They should have provided this guy funding and a list of small developers ready to help. Yagoo once again fumbles the success that falls into his lap.
>>104090146illiterate ape
>>104090033>Just ask other people to help?He's releasing the open source after applying some additions already planned.It's not going to die. He is just moving on.
>>104090037And yet here you are, huffing your own farts as well I see. You and Kay Yu might get along.
>>104090144Then he is truly a fucking retard.He could have access to massive funding and a list of ready to work game developers tomorrow. This entire project should have been his golden ticket into the gaming industry.Instead he will sit in his pajamas autistically trying to develop a massive game by himself in between Kaela fan art goon sessions.What an idiot.
>>104090235He apparently doesn't want to be a game dev (despite putting literally thousands of hours in) because he's an animator at his day jobRetarded logic
>>104090235Going through his artistic ego death phase and will come back with another project
Do people play the game daily to warrant this kind of negative attention? You could count on your hand the number of people who autistically 100% it.What you get is free I wonder who exactly has a problem with this situation. Also I love Phase but I don't approve this game becoming open source. It would just be generic asset swaps into the Hololove world they built killing Hololive fans. Like how dumb would you be to entertain that aspect of the future lazy modding community you have no control over.
>>104090336 (me)not to mention once you make it open source someone is going to copy it all and commercialise it somewhere with minimal effort
The guy is an hack but he is doing it for free and as an hobby. Just don't even touch Steam remote play ever again. If he wants to end an project let him.
>>104090282talent freedomHe wants to spend time on other projects that he has dreams of.
>>104090411And that's when you risk Cover having to step in and kill it. If it starts being used maliciously. Considering how many mentally ill fags are out there, the chance is decently high.
>>104090276He could have even gotten a job at Cover being “Director of Independent Game Development” or some bullshit. He stumbled onto a golden goose and then threw the golden eggs in the trash. Now he’s going to outsource the goose and goon to Kaela full time.
>>104086997>>104087021I don't blame him at this point, if were him I'd just call it done
>>104090282>another projecthttps://x.com/holocuredev/status/1961810728463311054https://x.com/holocuredev/status/1927192702489186341
>>104086997>>104087021He doesn’t owe anyone anything since Holocure is free, so he should just drop it if he lost passion for the game.
>All these people saying he's a retard for not taking Cover's money.I don't know, we are turning into /vt/. Most indie devs said their work got turned to shit once a corpo involved.
>>104087138It's a bit less important in a Bullet Heaven game, that's what I've heard people call these type of games, but it's so people actually have fun when playing your game. If you could just one-shot every boss in a fighting game, or fly over every obstacle in a platformer with no other changes, a lot of people are going to drop it because it isn't fun.
>>104089325>we know he's bragged about forcing the boys in and all sorts of other shit.literally never happened, he said he might add in stars after all the hologirls are added because people kept bothering him about it
>>104090566He should have taken the financial backing of Cover and made a career out of it. He wouldn’t even have to do any actual work at this point, just be the “Creative Director” sitting on his ass collecting money. It’s unbelievable.
>>104090411With it using Hololive IP, the only safe option to monetize it is with HoloIndie.But the open source will allow others to replace the IP with their own, which Cover can't do anything about. But as he said, the biggest burden is balancing it all with changes. Working to keep it from becoming a slop game.
>>104090578It's not that he's wrong for refusing the corpo handshake, but he needs to just announce it's on an update hiatus if he doesn't want to work on it. It might just make sense to finish the update with Gen5 and HoloX and call it quits. Their moveset designs are more or less done since he wasted time on that one week wonder that was HoloBreak.
>>104090578look at almost every holoindie release, absolute third world shit eating slop
This is the stupidest fucking way to balance a game, especially one in progress.You build the game first THEN go back and balance, making a character and carefully analyzing what each item MIGHT do is just gonna drag development time, never mind his obsession with shitty minigames that are only aimed at one particular holo girl.Though if I'm being honest, I lost a lot of respect for him after Holo X Break didn't do well and he had a 3am meltdown about it.Don't think he added online to it either like he said he would.
>>104090643>be creative director>Kay yu-san, what specials should Raora have?>Hold on, I need to watch clips for 7 hours. Then he comes back and says a Chattini jetpack kamikaze.
>>104090728No, that would clearly be the Chattini enemies.
>>104087300Amazing book but most of its advice boils down to "get your shit under test, here's how to do it in all these tricky situations". Gamedevs tend to think they're special snowflakes and nothing besides like their core math libraries can be put under test so this book's advice will go unheeded by most of them.Game maker might make things even more difficult but generally a game like that absolutely could have automation for things like "does not break a character or make anyone OP".
>>104090722Holo X Break had very clear problems that could have mitigated the poor release if he just bothered to have patience. The game should never have been shipped without working online. He went on and on about how the game genre is one he adored because of his nostalgia, but didn't have a firm enough hand to make sure it had the cornerstone of where that nostalgia is built from: Getting to play with other people to just see the end of the game. With no online, the game was shallow as fuck for most of the world. Adding rng to a side scroller beatemup was pants on head retarded too. Balancing around rng and itemization in a game like this fucking made it a miserable experience for the average person just wanting to pick it up and see the cool fights. The sprites and animations were gorgeous, but not a lot of people want to play that type of game with artificial difficulty like that. He also got way too high off cheevo and grinding nonsense, all to appease his autistic indonesian oshi. Behind every man's failure, there is a woman he was trying to simp for.
>>104090728This but unironically.With the missing steps being>Collect six figure salary>Go back to daily task of gooning to Kaela
>>104086997He's too busy simping over Mint to care about Hololive anymore https://x.com/ijwdmX19937
>>104086997He's a menhera retard. He wants his cake and to eat it too. People were offering him money to help out with the development burden and he refused, he has no right to complain. Either make the game, or don't, dipshit and stop adding shit nobody asked for like holohouse
>Kay Yu accepts backing from Cover>*monkeys paw curls*>Cover provides dozens of HoloEarth developers to "help out"
>>104090813unit tests are pretty useless for gamedevtests where you can record demos and play your game back to see if everything functions correctly are more useful but are also a huge pita to implement
>>104090578And yet Holoindie suggests the exact opposite, there's also no real evidence Cover actually gets involved. The only reason you could argue Kay Yu had to stay away from Hololive was so he could put Rushia in it but he chickened out and didn't put her in anyway. Most "censorship" and adjustments Hololive fangames make are directly based off talent reactions, not the corporation.
>>104090985GET THAT FUCKING FISH OUT OF THE GAME NOW
>>104090728>Chattini jetpack kamikazeThat sounds like an awesomesauce idea anon
>>104090985Kay yu doesn't even need to be under company contract to comply with talent requests. The dude is terminally in every holocure stream done by talents and will shit himself if anything is negative and scrambles to appease. Dude is a gooning simp.
I don't mind if he just quit Holo cure one day, is already an amazing game and it's fucking free dude doesn't own anyone anything, bonus points homobeggars don't get their update
>>104090962He has the only Holoindie game worth anything. He basically has a monopoly. He could be making so much money right now, and his game wouldn’t take 10 years for each update to come out.Bro just shake Yagoo’s hand and stop being a retard.
>>104090603>a lot of people are going to drop it because it isn't funThat is not true for HoloCure. Everytime that a new update is released people run to found out the most OP interactions to the point that Kai Yu rush to hotfix the shit out of the game.And even with that most of the people that play Holocure fall into the scrub category and are barely capable of beat the game.
>>104086997Did people forget that Cover is a game development company?We'll see if they take on the open source.And how well they'll continue the development.Don't get your hopes up; that's all I'm saying, from their past track records.Unlike with Kay Yu, they will also have to pay a pretty penny from the other talents' earnings.
>>104089492If you oshi the corporation or just the idea of streamers, you are in fact a casual by definition. Everything he references or does is always surface-level. Same with all fangames. They are people who were passionate about making games that slapped on an IP they could use for free.
>>104091098are you implying that Holocure is a skill-based game
>>104091100It would be hilarious if Cover takes it, monetizes it, and makes a fortune off of it, and Kay Yu has to see the success not sperging out would have yielded him.
>>104091043Again, all Holo fangames do that. They watch the streams about their game and react, they don't have to do that, they do that because it's the only publicity and acknowledgment from the public side of Hololive they are going to get.
>>104090684If its a pain in the butt for the creator all copycats will just change the art and call it a day. Open source died when pigs started abusing the gift and ethos of the early internet and conquering the market happened. Despite good intentions nothing positive will occur from making hard work made available.
>>104091144Will you be the one to pay them that fortune?
I feel like most of the game would be done by now if he stopped wasting time on useless minigames.
>>104091148I mean that's normal for any creator to do. At this point though it is like most of the game is made via Kaela's requests of what is "fun". Dude has no idea what the average player likes anymore.
>>104091230Wait are you seriously whining because of end game content?
>>104091180I still don't know what possessed him to implement the holohouse. No ones wants to play a barebones 2d pixel house sim when stardew valley is right there. The casino I can almost give a pass since people love slots, the problem is the gamble isn't worth anything since gold is no of consequence in the game. The shitty fan rancher thing can also fuck off into the garbage bin of bad ideas.
>>104086997Why does the game even need to be balanced in the first place? Even if a few characters end up overpowered, people will still play the other characters for the variety, challenge, and character specific leaderboards
>>104091282>Entire jump king minigame that kind of sucks>Only Mori really gave a shit about it and barely at that>Wants to add a dungeon crawler with the next patchDude needs to just focus on the core gameplay, maps etc, the girls and so on.
>>104091173If they actually finish the game and add all the Holomem and put updates out more than once a year, sure. I’d pay for it.The other Holo Indie games are all paid games anyways.
>>104087021>open sourceMiguel Cat can finally pretend she's in Hololive again...
>>104091346the core gameplay got boring
>>104091346I memory holed the jump king shit because who actually wants to play that with their own time? I also don't want to ever see him attempt any kind of dungeon crawler. It would just be a really shitty version of pokemon mystery dungeon and every room has a 80% chance to be a monster house so that Kaela will play it for 12 hours straight for 2 weeks.
>>104091388Cover will hope you do. Using their developers will not be cheap. Especially to pay for a game, while the other is free.Because the other Holo Indie games have failed to bring such fortunes.
>>104091329Because it's a fangame. Users were talking about how imba chocos horns were or how hard char X is. It's why a fighting game is not possible with that kind of fanbase. Suddenly all the gachis complain why their oshis abilities suck.
>>104091413WONTFIX
>>104091461>It's why a fighting game is not possible with that kind of fanbase.But there is a fighting game?
>>104091422It got boring because there were only 2 levels for the longest time. If updates were more substantial on the core gameplay, it would find ways to make it more engaging. Right now the gameplay model as Kay Yu wants it is to make the survivors part second to mini games. The survivors part of the game is almost just a means to fuel the mini games.
>>104091438>It would just be a really shitty version of pokemon mystery dungeon and every room has a 80% chance to be a monster house so that Kaela will play it for 12 hours straight for 2 weeks.https://x.com/HoloCureGame/status/1718133312303317404/
>>104086997It's kind of painful to see so many "Alum" Holomems in the game. Most of the alums are playable since the first version.
>>104091346Speaking as a programmer. Unrelated garbage minigames are 100x simpler to implement than making small changes to the core gameplay. They're less likely to blow up your entire preexisting codebase. Resolving non-critical errors (that is, shit like gamebreaking balance issues) caused by conflicts with old code is like 80%+ of the work you do on a project. Actually making new shit is fucking trivial.
>>104091519>https://x.com/HoloCureGame/status/1718133312303317404/I can only hope that after almost 2 years he had enough manhera breakdowns over himself to completely scrap this and build it up into something better.
Isn't this guy like an actual animator? Like for anime and shit?
>>104091570yes
>All these fangames and nobody's thought to copy Megaman Battle Network
>>104091570Yes, he worked on Onimai and Mushoku Tensei among other thingsGame animation too, IIRC he did the sprite animations for River City Girls
>>104091570and a chink. He was in the sweatshops for animes but he is a hololive fan so whatever.
>>104091553Yes, you are right that plugging in a new low complexity mini game is "safer" for your code, but it sounds like he did that instead of making his core code more streamlined for updates and additions. A gamebreaking balance issue is not really the issue people want to make it out to be for a single player game. So what if Lui has a busted as fuck setup for the first week and coasts onto the easy street? There have been broken combos and farm strats since the game started, it made it interesting. The variance in holomem gameplay and game plan is enough that no one is going to play the busted strat more than a few times unless its to farm coins, which are coming in by the truckload anyway.
>>104086997Jesus christ this guy sounds exactly like yandere dev. Either hand the IP over to someone actually competent or stop crying.
>>104091629The problem is we don't live in 2008 anymore. There will be tiktoks and YT videos from whoever blowing up how this game is so inbalanced and unfair if you don't use Lui and people who never touched the game will repeat it.People finished Mario games and had fun with it without ever knowing about pipewarps
>>104086997Just put the fries in the bag and let someone else finish the game.
>>104091716Kay Yu has actually released multiple finished games, don't even put him in the same category as that hack
Kiara has a bunch of DoT, a built in shield gimmick and can self rez that stacks with her revive, and she's considered mid tier at best.Why would you ever even try to balance for a game like that? The inevitable final Holocure character is going to be so HUGE that someone's gonna slip through the cracks and be insanely OP.
>>104091839people shouldn’t be complaining about a free game that devs are developing in their free time
Guess he isn't adding the faggots anytime soon kek
>>104092037He'll probably add them before Dev_is. He prioritizes what he likes, he added ID well before he should have because Kaela is his only way to know his penis still works.
>>104092037Is this all you care about?That the dudes having such a breakdown that the homos won't be added?
>>104091512It got boring because vampire survivor clones are boring
Why doesn’t Cover invest in free playable games (which is free advertisement and free content for the girls to stream) instead of billions of yen on Holoearth (whatever the fuck that is)?
>>104086997what happened to this? he teased it back in may https://x.com/holocuredev/status/1918046200445755588/photo/1
>>104091120For like 99% of the people that I had watched play the game and the internet complains, yes.
>>104091629>A gamebreaking balance issue is not really the issue people want to make it out to be for a single player gameI think the problem is more Kay wants everyone to be happy*, but the characters are real peopleSo when autists find that Lui is mathematically optimal within hours of the update release, they spam that shit in chat when Nene streams it for the first timeNow Nene feels discouraged about playing as her own character ("I'm not good?") and never wants to stream it again*see also: the clownfish incident, every time a girl was buffed because they complained on stream about being weak
>>104092215Holoearth is to make investors happy.
>>104092247Yet another game that was likely back burnered for Kaela's game.
Yagoo is faced with 2 choices>1. Pay Kay Yu a generous fee to “purchase” Holocure, invest in the most popular Hololive based game ever made, and reap the obvious rewardsOr2. Do nothing, spend more money on Holoearth, and maybe debut Homostars EN gen 4What do you think anons? Which one is Yagoo-kun more likely to do?
>dev fails to lay robust groundwork>huge pain in the ass to keep adding to their projectThis isn't just a game problem. This shit happens in boring-ass corporate projects, too.>we have to go back and check old characters>things become exponentially more workI don't know this person at all but it sounds like they didn't set shit up for long-term development. God speed.
>>104092414second choice. holocure is also not that popular anymore so it would be a waste of money too.
>>104092247Nigga focuses on to many projects.
>>104092332Don't pin how a streamer is unable to wrangle their chat or not get one guy'd as a failure of the game balancing. If a chuuba doesn't want to stream the game again after seeing their own character as mid tier, that's their prerogative, and a developer should strive for a healthy level of balance, but they shouldn't destroy their mental health to achieve it before an update has a chance to be released.
>>104092247this looks like shit
>>104092408>>Free work (with no interaction from any Holomems) >>Paid work commissioned directly by one of his oshi.Gee, I wonder which one he'd pick..
>>104091716>>104091960But he is a sperg that suffers from FOMO. Two years ago or so he was gushing about Neuro and AI vtubers. He is extremely fickled. The failure of Holo Break totally fucked his autoestim.
>>104092130You tell me
>>104091600Based my brother Kay and his work mates were clearly here when we theory crafted the future seasons and number required to express the entire story of adapting MT.
>>104092586Why did holo break fail btw? I tried to play it but it wouldn't run at all on my potato. Is it just the genre being shit to begin with, poor luck/visibility for some reason, or was the game itself kinda trash even compared to its peers?
>>104089839ah yes the vedal way
>waaaa I HAVE to balance everything>waaaa I HAVE to work on all these other games for freeHe's a retard. Nobody told him to pull a janny.
>>104092586>autoestimIt's "self-esteem" in English, Pedro
>>104092679>>104090829
>>104092679The genre has no replayability. It was something that thrived off couch co-op or being in an actual arcade for your day. The game was also bogged down with shitty itemization that wasn't needed to begin with. No online play on release. Kaela of course marathoned it when it released so literally no one had to play it themselves to see the bosses.
>>104092679>Why did holo break fail btw?Launching a beat em up without multiplayer or online play is basically killing immediately. It's a one and done genre for most people.
>>104092679>short>no online>niche genreUnless you're pumping out regular DLC, beatem ups die after a week.
>>104092728Gonna add to the post anon quoted here that Holo Break had no checkpoints either, if you died at the boss, you had to do the entire stage over.
>>104092816>No checkpointsWhat kinda douche does that now? You're not going to get extra quarters outta someone.
>>104091100>Did people forget that Cover is a game development company?With a hundred million dollar budget they managed to shit out HoloEarth and they happily pissed away the talents money on that complete and utter failure
>>104092858Same guy who didn't implement a save system
>>1040926791. Fighting games aren’t very popular to begin with.2. The game had a very small roster of characters.3. Fighting games are even less popular among girls than amongst men, so most girls are not going to stream it for hours like Holocure
>>104092883>fighting gameYou're thinking of Idol Showdown
>>104092907Oh yeah you’re right.My bad
>>104086997>could've made money off of it and gotten people to help>now he's considering getting people to help anyway while not making any money himself
>>104092414Holocure's time came and went and it was popular because it was free, Yagoo got all he needed out of it and he didn't have to pay anything. But buying it now for all the money it won't make is the sort of retarded decision you'd expect from him based on his ideas of expansion so maybe it will happen.
>work for Kaela>suddenly sick of game devreally makes you think
>>104087021thats based
>>104086997Who cares if the game is unbalanced its single player s:
>>104092973Kek
>>104093041BUT THE HECKIN LEADERBOARD
>>104093083>This problem I created myself is the reason I can't allow a crumb of imbalanceKay yu really played himself with that one.
>>104087021Legitimately surprised how few mods there are for Holocure. Is it really just that difficult to mod as is?
>>104093144probably just not enough interest i guess
>>104092877it was funny seeing them add auto-save in the first patch because they didn't anticipate people being "bad" at the gamelike, surely they could have had a normie friend playtest it one time to see such an obvious flaw
>>104092907The dude developing that dropped all pretense of caring about the game when Aki noticed him
>>104093144if the editor it was made in struggles to deal with it, I imagine modding it is not a fun time either
>>104093144why mod holocure when you can mod vampire survivors
>>104093241There's a reason most people beat it solo with Nenechi, cause she was the only one with a heal move.
>>104092987It had a few short windows like release and one upping Vampire survivor but then it couldn't hold up with it and it was all about new "features" aka minigames.
>>104093144He took a very antimod instance. So there is barely people trying to mod the game.
>>104093531He was probably worried about people adding non holo characters.I've seen concept art of nijis and phase characters done in his sprite style.
>>104090514>Now he’s going to outsource the gooseIsn't that want you wanted? >>104090033>Just ask other people to helpThere's no pleasing you people.
>>104086997Holocure is fun, but Kay Yu is a colossal retard who should just open source or hand it over to someone else. All he had to do was keep adding new characters, stages, and items. It's a free pve game, who cares about things being perfectly balanced. Worry about that when it becomes the majority asking you to fix it rather than your own autism and a handful of cock and ball torture enthusiasts. And who even asked for the other things he stapled onto it? It was just supposed to be a simple Hololive skinned Vampire Survivors clone, not whatever the fuck you're trying to do with it. I knew he was gonna run this thing into the ground the second he had a melty about people wanting mod support and intentionally made it a bitch to work with so people wouldn't try to mod it anyway.
>>104093591There is a mod that actually features Pippa. But it was released in a old framework and can't be updated. I think it was from before the ID release (maybe?)
>>104093617But if he makes it open source he's not the sole dev anymore and doesn't get all the clout
>>104088341obsessed
>>104093617>All he had to do was keep adding new characters, stages, and itemsNo, he has to add an open world racing mode and destructible layers and a Metroidvania with roll combat and
>>104093129>It's so hard to add new features because the codebase is so big>But let me go ahead and add 3 new minigame hubs and a dungeon crawler modeGEE I WONDER
>>104093655He gets plenty of clout from being an animator.
>>104093612This isn’t contradictory.He could have gotten a bag from cover and had them subsidize a development team for him while being paid a salary for himself.He also could just retain ownership and leadership and ask fans to help with some of the work.By outsourcing it, you are going to get tons of random people adding everything from the Homos to Vox from Nijisanji to Peter Griffin. He has all the resources he needs to develop the game and basically sit on his ass.All he has to do is make a phone call or post a tweet.
>>104087689
>>104093699Open sourcing it*
>>104086997>>104087021Kay reminds me a lot of Vedal. Stunlocks himself with his own sense of perfectionism. So then he procrastinates on the main goals and focuses on side tasks instead, putting out a bunch of shit no one asked for. Wouldn't surprise me if Kay open sources the game and we find out that he's also a vibecoding shitdev too.
>>104093531I thought he wasn't anti-mod specifically, but because the game was endorsed by Cover opening it up to easy mods would have the potential to cause problems. If I'm wrong though and he just used to be anti-modding then that's really dumb
The actual best hololive fangame
>>104086997>OP implies that he hates working on Holocure>check series of tweets>he's talking about how much code the game has, so he needs to rebalance everything and check that nothing breaks when he adds something newDear diary. Today, unsurprisingly, OP was a faggot once again, likely a nijisister who's still seething.
>>104086997what a whiny little bitch I hope ai takes his job
Just add fucking Advent already, I don't care about anything else
>>104087689looking forward to it
>>104086997Good. Fucking flavor of the month shit is long past its prime and should go away to the obscurity corner.
>>104096122lrn2program
>>104094909>implying implications
>>104087300>Uncle BobEh...
>>104086997just sell/donate it to cover and let their japanese salarymen maintain the codebase?
>>104086997>muh balancenobody gives a shit if something is OP this isn't competitive
>>104087021>DUBAI IN HOLOCUREfinally
>>104091100>Cover take over holocure>first update patch: t3mpus, v4nguard, armis
>>104087272if there's any kind of dissent you can just fork it and do your own thing
>>104086997>>104087021@Grok is this real?
>>104092987despite massively falling off, holocure is still vastly more popular then Dubai.never say never
>>104088778he can refactor the code base to separate the IP protected stuff and the rest, then only distribute what isn't cover's, which would create a highly customizable game engine
Just add the missing holos, a bunch of weapons and new stages. The game doesn't need to be balanced and if there is some obviously OP shit, just nerf it next patch. It's a fucking singleplayer game based on playing different holos and killing shit, I kinda hate how all the recent updates have added a bunch of useless shit into the game that is in no way related to the original game
Predicted this after all the graduations. After he's done with Kaela's thing, he's moving on to making a game for Minto.
>>104090813>automation for things like "does not break a character or make anyone OP".how the fuck do you make thisyou make AI for the game and see their winrate or smt?
>>104099835Just create tests where the character is equipped with a combination of stuff and see what the damage output is. It's not that hard to do, you don't need to create a simulation of the actual gameplay for this
>opensource the game>trannies stumbling over each other to add as much degeneracy as fast as possible
>>104099924that seems really basic and ignores stuff like aoe and shitbut i guess that'd catch the majority of game-breaking comboand you have limited slots anyway, so it's actually kinda feasible to test every combination
>>104088984His oshi is Mint/Pomu, he's probably had the idea of eventually just adding her and a few other vtubers he likes even as just bonus/DLC stuff, and he probably could have if it weren't for the "all out war" thing being leaked and creating a tension between the two groups for years that even if things have cooled down, it would be awkward to do it, on top of HoloIndie being a big thing nowadays.
>>104100273There's a much easier explanation - japanese corporate autism and IP law.He went lightspeed denying any affiliation, and lambasting anyone that uses mods when the Pippa mod surfaced, and she herself didn't tag the stream properly.All of that because Cover can C&D his ass the second he even includes a single pixel alluding to a foreign IP.
>>104100332he doesn't live in japan. Cover doesn't have international jurisdiction
>>104100332By that logic Cover would have struck people making fanart where Hololive girls are with Nijis and other vtubers. So long as he doesn't do something like make a rapey game or depict the Hololive talents in slanderous sight they wouldn't have bothered, at worst they'd just forbid the girls from playing it.
>>104100026just fork it, anon
>>104100646Yes of course, Japanese companies have infamously never been able to get takedowns for stuff outside of Japan. Jesus Christ, you're retarded.
>>104100273his oshi is Pekora, that's why it took so long to get to gen3, because he would lose one incentive to continue.
>>104100135it shouldn't be too hard to rig up a test scenario with a pre-determined seed and pre-determined paths, then just iterate through all characters and all possible item combos. if you don't bother rendering out the tests they can be run very quickly, too.
>>104090979This is what I'm talking about with gamedev thinking it's special. No, it's just full of people who don't know how to do basic test automation and extract value from that.
>>104086997You just know he would rather work on mintocure
>>104096122Maybe 2 years from now if you're lucky.
>>104086997>>104087021Who the fuck care about holocure, let my bro Kay Yu rest. I need him to be in shape for Mushoku Tensei S3
>>104093937>sense of perfectionismThe post says adding new shit breaks the old one
>>104093655that's not even his main job kek
>>104089740>Said the person sending money to their oshi just to get their name readYou're not better.>"My oshi always reads my chat and says my name for free!"No she doesn't.
>>104093699>He could have gotten a bag from cover and had them subsidize a development team for him while being paid a salary for himself.He's clearly already rich, and I dont know why people are ignoring how fucking annoying it is to work with an entity like Cover.
>>104089970>>104090125>>104090235>>104090514>>104090962>>104092973>WHY IS HE DOING WORK WITH NO PROFIT INCENTIVE???Do you people have souls?
He shot himself in the foot due to the game getting bloated and bloated, with the house part, then the material collecting, the casino or whatever it was.It's a shame because I wanted to see advent, but eh.
>>104086997Yeah he's never adding Holostars kek
>>104103217Most of the stuff in a game you can't do basic tests for, you need to do complicated tests You can't do a simple unit test to make sure a character can clear a jump
>>104086997>BalanceJust lock the leaderboard for a month every time there's a big update.Just let the community helps him with the balance and bugs within that 1 month.>>104087021>Open sourceDO NOT!
>>104105326There really is no reason he shouldn't let the community help test all the shit that is too much for one dude to handle. It's not a paid or even "completed" release.
>>104105373development is the issue not testing
>>104105373>There really is no reason he shouldn't let the community help test all the shit that is too much for one dude to handleMore people doesnt always equal easier
>>104086997>>104087021understandablehes created a hell of a game already and for free, not gonna shit on him if he just calls it herefor me at least it would have been all the side shit he added that killed the interest for me>casino, farm stuff, jump king, etc etche should have just added the girls, no faff, fixed glaring bugs, moved on to a paying project
>>104086997At least you guys never have to worry about Kay adding playable Stars and tainting Miko's purity by just standing near them. Of course this also means playable Advent/Regloss/Justice/Dev_IS never ever.
>>104086997>we have to go back and recheck every single past character and see if the new added thing completely breaks a character or makes them absolutely bonkers OPyou could make it much easier in two steps1) make a bot that runs the game with the item and log values for health/coins/damage etc.2) have a bunch of betatesters for whatever the bot doesn't catch>>104088236he actually added some more protections specifically because someone modded in Pippa
>>104086997Just quit the game all together and drop it. Sick of seeing idol-slop on steam.
>>104086997>>104087021Kill ALL the top tiersUse half of their parts to make Advent and JusticeI have saved Holocure.
>>104091438>>104091519Kay brothers, it seems that Mystery Dungeon already exists
who the fuck cares if a vampire survivor like is balanced or not?
>>104087166>>1040870212 weeks until we have a porn mod
>Go open source>Other people paywall mods behind PatreonThis wasn’t very well thought out.
>>104086997>>104087021he shouldnt be doing it all alone at the first place
Is Kay's new game good or what?Is he actually a competent game maker or was holocure lightning in a bottle
>>104110151Kaela game lets you cram in 16 healing items so you cheese the game's 2 bosses. Balance be damned.
>>104093699This isn't his main work. He is an animator, not a game developer. He even has friends of him that are actually developers working on the game.
>>104086997He must be pressured by Kaela just running circles around whatever new update he comes out with
>>104104702I mean, yeah. I don't think that the animator working on stuff like mushoku tensei is somehow poor
>>104105959If Cover takes over the development, it's a guarantee.
>>104113189anime pays like shit in case you didn't know
